The Rod and Greg Show: Proposal to Overturn Prop 4; Decline of Boys Participating in Sports; Tougher Policing

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Holy War, the big Rivalry this week. You know,
I've debated whether to bring something up once a day
getting ready for the big Saturday game, but I haven't
up till now. But this breaking news that we heard,
we heard from our correct News Report director Abbie Bunell.
I think it's fake news. I think it's a false flag.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, would you like to inform the folks what the
fake news is all about?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yes, prior to the show starting, we in our news
report you heard Abby Bunnell report that there's been an
arrest of a gentleman who has made threatening homicidal threats
online towards a University of Utah fans, identifying himself as
a b YU fan doing this, and they were able
to track down his his from his social media, his residence.

(00:42):
He lives in Emory County and he's been His last
name is Justice, and he's been incarcerated. I think that's
a youth fan. I think that's a YOUTE fan. And
someone said so if someone in the building here said, Hughes,
look he's been to a BYU game. Look he's got
T buy T shirt on. He was prepping. Okay, that
was him.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just fought it.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hook clients. You think he's fooling the me. The just
wanted to disparage he wants to disparage the good name
of Byu and it's fans. So he went to a
couple of games so he could pretend he's a BA
fan because he really wanted to frame b Yu for this.
And this is how I know it's it's a fake.
This is how I know it's a false flag.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You you b Yu fans, you.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Know this is this is this is no, this guy
is not he's not a b Yu fan. And this
is how I know. I am a little bit of
a boisterous fan. Okay, Soyu fan. So I get excited.
I get very excited, passionate. I get passionate, and I
know crazy, it's a little too unhinged. I get passionate.
But I like to cheer and I like the boo

(01:38):
and I like to do those things. And when I've
been to the big Holy warman, I've been to the
big rivalry game, I've had youth fans that have gotten
mad at me. Now I'm not I don't. I don't
do what I've heard others do. I'm not seeking out
you fans to pick fights. I really am not, but
I am probably loud. I am probably enjoying myself and
it probably bothers the other team's fans. Okay, Well, they
always come at me, and that's why I can't go
to the game anymore. Because I'm a grown man. I

(01:59):
can't get into these, you know, these situations anymore because
I you know, I got to be responsible. But in
my younger days it was something else. Anyway, I would
have BYU fans mad at me.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I was going to bring that up because you
didn't bring up that side of the story. Not only
do you get Utah fans, you get by How I
know this is how I.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Know that there's no BYU fan out there acting like
that crazy lunatic because they get mad at me when
I'm just cheering the team. And when the U fan
gets mad at me, I get mad at them back.
And then the BYU fans are mad at me. They
don't even you see what I'm saying. They're not even
they're not They get bullied and they let themselves get bullied.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
They're a little what's the word I'm looking for, sedate?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
They are and a little too sedate. Okay, I bowed
a BYU punter that kicked a fifteen yard punt. That's
not even a punt. I don't know what that is.
You bow your own team absolutely. If he's gonna picked.
If you ain't kick that poorly of a punt, I'm
gonna boo. But you know, I will also put the
jerseys of the of the BYU's players on my kids back.
I'll have their their jersey is all my kid because

(03:00):
I love the team so much. But if they're going
to kick a fifteen yard I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm
just gonna let them know that that is not an
acceptable distance to punt the ball. You've got to get better,
and that's the way I do it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I have a question for you, knowing what you've gone through,
and we'll outline what the rest of the show is
going to be here in just a second.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's the holy world we can talk about.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Are you even allowed in Lavell Edwards Stadium anymore?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well? I think I am imposed. It's a self composed
Uh boy, I have, I have. I'm staying away from
those situations now.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Because you can't control yourself.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's no, it's not me, it's the it's those order
the ring orcs you call ute fans that come descending
down and start attacking. Or is it too much to
say I don't want to be touched?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Is that too? Is that it can?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
It?

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Can?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I have that rule. I don't want to be touched.
I don't want you grabbing my sweatshirt out of my
hands as I'm walking to the stadium. That has happened
to me. Okay, if you're trying to rip my if
you're trying to rip my sweatshirt that I'm carring because
it's warm, but it's gonna get cooler in the night.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
So someone actually did that.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes, yes, it was No, it was one hundred percent.
It was done on purpose. Now, I was going to
the Rice Eco Stadium, and I was walking past an
area where they've been tailgating for a long time. So
you know, they're feeling their sheets to the wind, they're
filing a little, they got beer muscles, they're all over. Yeah,
and so they're coming look, trying to take my sweatshirt.

(04:22):
I'm just saying that these moments, for some reason, find me.
I don't find them. I'm now to the age where
I cannot be found by people that want to touch me,
take my sweatshirt. I can't do it. I just can't
do it. So I don't go. It's a self imposed exile.
But it's you know, it's just gotten a little too much.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
This story today. Even though our own law enforcement, who
I know you support, I is supporting probable.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
This man is claiming an affiliation to a school set.
I think he's I think it's a false flag. I
think he is a youth fan trying to make boy
you look bad right now. He's paying a high price
for it, by the way, maybe hier an he thought
he would. But I just haven't seen any great. A
lot of the fans, I feel like, don't defend themselves
adequately to the ute fans who are very good at
mocking and ripping the way you fans they're very good.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
At be Why you fans aren't.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not the ones I've sat around. I feel like I'm
doing it by myself. I feel like I got to
do all the heavy lifting, which I'm happy to do.
I was happy to do.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, anymore, we're all talk about that. Someone who's also
upset is Donald Trump today. Hamas apparently is not behaving
himself well, and he has a warning for them, Hamas,
are you listening because if you aren't, get ready, we'll
talk about that. I love this move by the Utah
Republican Party. So do I you want to play this game?
Guess what Democrats? We're going to play it as well.

(05:38):
We'll explain what that is. Rob Axton will be that.
Then we'll talk about the decline of boys participation in
sports and what is going on there.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's right, I mean, and we just we start to
show because it's the week of the big rivalry. But
I think that sports, it's sad to hear that there's
less and less participation by young men. And I think
there's such an important part of life and life lessons
learned through sports. And I'm a family I know you
are too, a family of people that love sports. Who
can we something we gather and rally around.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So we'll talk about that. We'll get to a lot
as well coming up today. Now let's get back to
the story. Is hamask Greg about to find out that
you don't mess with Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I would think they would know that right now that
but by now they're just trying to test the waters.
They're trying to push the envelope a little bit, but
they're not going to like what they find.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
No, they will not. Now, part of the piece deal
was the release of living hostages, right, and they did
that earlier this week, twenty of them. But they're twenty
eight deceased hostages who the people in Israel would let
their families, would like their remains back. So far they've
given them eight yes, and one of them they think
could be fake, may not be one of the hostages.

(06:46):
But the president is up to right there, and he
wants those deceased hostages released to their families. And this
is a warning he gave yesterday to Amas.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
We have.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Told them we want disarmed and they will disarm. And
if they don't disarm, we will disarm them, and it'll
happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Do you understand me, because you always ever.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
It says, oh well, they won't disarm, they will disarm.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And I spoke to Hamas and I said, you're.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Going to disarm, right, yes, sir, We're going to disarm.
That's what they tell me. They will disarm or we
will disarm them.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, he was talking about what the pictures he saw
of some Hamas for soldiers of Hamas executing people in
Ganza who had worked with the Israelis, and he says, disarm,
get the deceased bodies back, and do it now.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think the bright line he drew there with those
reporters is it's not a matter of if they will
be disarmed. They're going to disarm. It's how they're going
to do it. They're either going to do it as
they committed, or we're going to do it and they
won't like us doing it, but we will. And you
can hear that voice sounds like the one that he
had when he was going into the marine, one in
the helicopter, when Neat and Yahoo put his licks in

(08:04):
an Iran one more last time and bombed the daylights
out of it and he was so mad and you
could hear it in his voice. They don't know what
they're doing, and you could hear his how resolute he was.
I heard that resolute tone. And they will. It's not
a matter of if, it's only how, But they are disarming,
and that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, And I believe him. And if they don't get
if they don't get those deceased bodies back, I tell
you what. There will be a price to pay. He
will not put up with it. He has stuck his
neck out on this so far and guaranteed, not guaranteed.
But see, we're going to have peace in this region. Finally.
If he doesn't get it, he'll get there.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
There was a story that there's a couple that were
bombed so bad, but you don't know that. We can
find and you can get away with that with a couple, Yeah,
you can't. Just twenty eight out there.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, twenty one eight of them I believe home now.
Twenty twenty one are still out there. By the way,
a new poll out tonight shows that fifty nine percent
of the American people support the President's peace plan in
the Middle East. Quite a number. All right, We've got
a lot to get to today. What is the GOP
up to the Utah GOP is gearing up for a
legal showdown over the controversial Prop four. What's at stake?

(09:07):
We'll talk about that coming up next on the Rotten
Greg Show. Good to be with you on this Wingman
Wednesday afternoon. You've heard the phrase, gay Greg, if it's
good for the goose is good for the gander. Yes, sir, well,
I think that's what the Utah Republican Party has figured
out right now? Don't you love it?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I do.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I think we got I think we're playing some offense. Finally,
we sure are.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well. What we're talking about is the Republican Party here
in this state has launched an effort now to overturn
the voter approved Prop four and requiring the new Congressional
map and joining us on our Newsmaker line to tell
us all about it as the chairman of the Utah
Republican Party, Rob Acton, Rob, how are you welcome back
to the show?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (09:45):
Always good to be with both of you.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Appreciate it, Rob, Where'd you come up with this idea?
What was the thinking behind it?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So?

Speaker 7 (09:52):
You know, the issue is the last couple of weeks
we've been dealing with this new reality, and that new
reality in the confusion associated with it started when there
was a ruling from a judge that decided to interpret
the code differently, interpret our constitution differently. And in her defense,
she's relying on a decision that came from our Utah

(10:14):
Supreme Court a year ago that I adamantly disagree with.
And what that did is it said that you had
to have the people speaking through initiative to overturn and
change substantively another action that was taken through initiative.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
So in this case of top.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
Four better boundaries, it was a valid initiative and a
signature initiative that brought us that. So we need a
citizen signature initiative to undo it.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So that rob the initiative back in twenty eighteen, it
received fifty point three four percent of the vote it
so it passes. But that was about two million dollars
of money, most of it out of state, and zero
dollars to tell the other side of the story of
why fared was they meant fair to mean democrat. We

(11:01):
want a Democrat seat. We want nothing having to do
with a fair redistricting process. But of the money they used,
of the two million, maybe share with our listeners, what's
the origin of that money? If all the money? They say,
where does this money come from? Where they were successful
and persuading fifty percent point thirty four of utons to
vote for this thing?

Speaker 7 (11:22):
Yeah, no, great question, And it's actually even worse than that.
It was about two point eight million dollars when all
was said and done, that was spent in promotion of
this signature initiative process, and this ballot initiative against zero
dollars spent in opposition. Now we could all hindsight being
what it is, you'd look back and say, oh, man,
we really should have as a group and as uton

(11:43):
stepped up and organized an effort. But keep in mind
two things and then I'll get to the heart of
the funding side. Two things that are important here. In
twenty eighteen, you had like five initiatives on the ballot.
People were overwhelmed. You had medical marijuana, you had Medicaid expansion,
you had this. There were a number of issues that
were before voters. It was easy to be overwhelmed. As

(12:05):
a voter myself at the time, I remember thinking, Okay,
what do each of these various things do. The other
thing that is important is we are now forced to
enforce an initiative from twenty eighteen with new understandings, as
caused by our state Supreme Court last year and Judge
Gibson this year. That's inherently unfair. And in fact, when

(12:27):
you're filing for an initiative, there's a review process in
the Elections Office of the Lieutenant Governor to say if
something is constitutional or not well, at the time of
that initiative, they were clearly trying to ignore the legislative
role in drafting maps. But at the time it was
easy to say, oh, that can be hammered out in
discussion and compromise with the legislator should the initiative pass,

(12:51):
and so they allowed it to go forward. That should
never have gone forward with today's understanding. But again, all
the more important reason on why we're diving into this.
As for the money, that money, the sources of those
moneies came from predominantly very much outside of Utah, but
very liberal progressive movements tied to the likes of Gavin
Newsom and the George Soros network and whatnot. It really

(13:15):
is these folks that funneled money to change Utah.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Rob, I think a real challenge is going to be
it's boiling this down to a simple message that people
can understand and say, yeah, I agree with what they're
trying to do. I mean, how big of a challenge
is that going to be? Because this could be a
very complicated issue. You've got to boil it down that
people understand it. How big of a challenge is that
going to be?

Speaker 7 (13:38):
It's definitely a challenge to fully understand the minutia without
getting into details.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
But it is simple to understand the principle. And here's
the principle.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Do you believe in representative government or do you believe
in the difficult nature of direct democracy?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
If you believe in direct democracy, then every issue, including
our maps in our district, should go before the people,
and we can all mother may I and rely on
million dollars spends to make our decisions, or we can
lean into the God inspired structure of government that our
country was founded on and that our state is founded on,
and that being a constitutional republic.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So Rob, I'm looking at Texas their legislatures looking to
do redistricting. In Texas, I'm looking at that. In Florida,
I'm looking at that. In Ohio, I'm looking at that
in Missouri. These are all Republican states or Republican controlled
legislatures where their legislative body, with it its separate but
equal powers, are doing that. What I'm seeing in Utah's
I'm seeing a legislative branch that has to enter the

(14:38):
doors of a courtroom and ask a judge on bended knee,
may we have these? Are these maps good? Enough, your honor,
Can we do this please? After they've already drawn maps.
Why can't we be like those other states I just
mentioned and have your legislative branch do what they says
in our state constitution they should be able to do,
and that is draw these maps.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
I do not envy the situation that they've been placed
in and under duress. They've taken certain actions while they
continue to appeal in the courts the decision that was made.
But this is where I felt compelled to step up
and take action. If the court is going to tie
the hands of the legislature with their new novel interpretations

(15:20):
of the law, well we will lean into the fact
that the people have an opportunity to reform their system
of government. And if the courts want to say that
signature initiatives that start with the people have some degree
of deference beyond what the legislature can do, we're willing
to step up and have this start with the people,
and we'll take it through the process and make sure

(15:41):
that our constitutional order and structure, including separation of powers
and including the Utah constitutional authority given solely to the
legislature to draw these maps is returned.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
A final quick question, Rob, you mentioned the figure of
two point eight million dollars in this effort to support
prop for I don't know how much money you're thinking,
but you've got to be able to raise a good
amount of money on this. Can you do it?

Speaker 7 (16:08):
It certainly is going to be a very logistically challenging
and expensive process. But I'll tell you I did not
press go until I felt confident we had sufficient resources
and support and partnerships necessary to get going. And to
do so successfully, it will take additional resources. I would

(16:30):
encourage anybody willing to step up and help us defend
the constitutional republic structure of government to go to utgop
dot org and submitted donation.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
We would love that support. All right, Rob, Hey, we
appreciate your time. I know we'll talk more about this
down the road. Thanks Rob for your work.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
Hey, I appreciate you my friends.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
All right, Rob ACKs and chairman of the Utah Republican Party.
I like the idea. Like I said, it is good
for the goose, is good for the game, right.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah. I don't think any of the good people that
voted for that twenty eighteen ballot measure new that the
word fair meant were the Democrats are putting their thumb
on the scale. And if you think if it's not
a theory, because all you have to do is look
at the maps they're going to take to the same
judge and asked her to choose their maps over the
legislative maps. That exercise is yet to happen. That's still
going to happen. Now they're drawing maps and they have
absolutely jerry mannered impact one big fat, dark blue district

(17:19):
of our four congressional districts into one that from better boundaries.
That is what they wanted in twenty eighteen that they
failed to tell the people. They used the word fair. No, no,
they meant Democrat. That's all they meant.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well, I didn't realize greg first of all, when that
when that vote was taken back in twenty eighteen, there
were several other issues on the wa that is true,
that guy, I didn't realize that. And there you mentioned
it was so close what Salt Lake City got ninety
percent of the vote in fair for this year, Yeah,
some ridiculous. It was the Democrat.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
There were Democrats that knew fair meant Democrats because they
got a ton of Democrats on that on that side
of it.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
They sure did. All right, A lot more to come
right here on the Rod and Gregg Show and Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
A second of the program. I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And I'm Roight Arquette. Do you know I asked my
children they other day if they had a radio. You
know what? They said to me?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
What's that? We all have radios, but we just we
use them differently, now.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Don't They said? Yeah, we got radio's our phone. Yes,
that's that's why you need to put us on your
preset button.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's exactly right. They have preset. This app I love
because it has kind of the car radio, you know
feel to it feels the little you know, the little
perks to it run.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Down and just punching all the button. Yeah, there ry
to find your favorite song.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yep, you could hit you could hit that search or
whatever that where it would go through. But no, there
are presets on there so you can put all your
favorite and there's so many on that iHeart radio app
to choose from. There's just a ton to put on
your presets and then you don't have to swim around
looking for something.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Remember when electricity come on, it would come on and
was first installed. And we could go outside and play
at night under the lights.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, or you had to come in when the lights
went came on. Through it was time to come in
when the lights came on.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
But we're playing pickup games of basketball or football or
baseball right Absolutely. It doesn't happen anymore. And there's some
story out today, Greg about the decline of boys participating
in youth sports.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, we did this. We did a lot of We
played a lot of games sports and it wasn't all
organized sports. Here's a lot of pickup games even in
football and baseball other things. So yeah, and I don't
know that that's going on as much anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, it is new study shows is not and let's
talk about it. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right
now is David Kelts. He's an author contributor to American Great.
Miss David. Thank you very much. You've taken a look
at this, David. What have you found out about this?
What is going on here?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well?

Speaker 8 (19:30):
I think and thanks for having me on guys.

Speaker 9 (19:32):
Great to be with you.

Speaker 8 (19:33):
You know, there was a survey that was done earlier
this year by the Sports and Fitness Industry Association and
it showed that the percentage of boys who regularly compete
in sports teams or take lessons has dropped by nine
points over the past decade, and a large part of
this has to do with the increase in technology, screen
times and video games that seem to be replacing active

(19:57):
sports participation. And that's very alarming.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I found your article to be so interesting and
it makes all the sense in the world to me
that these distractions are maybe pulling our young men away
from sports and there's a cost to that when that happens.
Let me introduce two older concepts that used to distract
boy or keep boys from playing or not boys, just
kids from playing sports. One was a household where they
may be working parents where they can't make it the

(20:20):
practice or it's very difficult for them to participate with
transportation challenges and things based on household income. Then you
go to the other side of that spectrum where you
get these crazy parents that have them in academies and
working on only one sport all month, you know, all
year long, the kids get burned out. Are those variables?
Are those situations playing any role in the decline of
boys participating in sports? Now?

Speaker 8 (20:44):
Well, I would say so I mean, right, so there's
always two ends of the spectrum. You certainly have the
you know, extreme tennis parent who wants their kid to
be the next Roger Fetter, and that means they're taking
them to tennis lessons five or six days a week,
they're maybe they're even sending them to an academy in Florida.
But then on the other hand, you have the absentee parents,

(21:06):
the ones who kind of let their kids do what
they want after school, and that oftentimes, unfortunately means they're
spending hours at home playing video games. Now, maybe they're
conversing amongst friends, but certainly nobody would consider that to
be real way to socialize. And what's happening is, even
if you're not playing sport at a basic recreational level,

(21:28):
you're really missing the opportunity to work on developmental skills,
communication skills, and you know, even just kind of hanging
out with people in a real physical form that we
don't seem to have as often anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
David, what about this may lead in or follow up
on what Greg was just saying, the burnout factor among
these kids, because a lot of these kids now start early,
I mean five and six years old and by the
time they're about ten years old, they've had it. I mean,
they want to do something different. How much does the
burnout factor play in all.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Of this, Oh, well, look, I think it's a huge role.
And look, certainly you have coaches who can be very demanding,
and there are certainly coaches who don't necessarily know how
to you know, get the best out of the kids
that are on their teams. But you know, people talk
about academics becoming more you know, the standards becoming higher,

(22:18):
but that I think is also true of sports. I mean,
if you look at the college recruitment process now, kids
are getting recruited for various sports, whether it's football or basketball,
sometimes as young as thirteen or fourteen years old, and
that puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the on
the athlete to excel and to you know, to make
that their top priority when in some cases, understandably, they

(22:39):
would rather be hanging out with friends.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know, is there such a thing as just pick
up games anymore? I mean, as a kid, you know,
you have your organized sports with coaches and everything, but
we had plenty of pickup games. We play baseball, we
played football. Even now, As I get older, I've got
nephews that we play golf. You mentioned golf in your column.
That's a sport as adults. You can play with young
ones and there's handicaps and everything else. And I'm a
big municipal guy. I love my municipal golf course. So

(23:04):
there's opportunities to play that's not in a regular you know,
in a maybe an organized sport fashion. Is that does
that type of participation in sports beginning beginning to decline
as well?

Speaker 8 (23:15):
You know, So I haven't come up with the numbers
or looked at a good study of that, but I
will say, you know, I was I was at a
local YMCA a couple of months ago, and you know,
to my surprise, I guess, there were plenty of kids
that were there, you know, that were playing basketball, and
even the ones that were sitting on the sidelines they

(23:35):
were watching. They weren't all on their phone, which which
was a relief. But I do think that as I
said that there's a nine percent decline in boys participation,
I do think that it's kind of like you're seeing
kids either playing on teams or or kind of not
at all. And I really think we need to get
back to promoting a middle ground where you know, it's

(23:55):
okay if you're not going to play Division one football,
but that that doesn't mean that I you shouldn't be
active at all.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's right, Yeah, David. What about what, in your opinion
does sports do for you boys and youth particular to
get involved in sports and to play a game, be
it fun or an organized event. What does it do
for the young man?

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Well, what it does is just like in life, it
teaches you how to fail. Because you ask any athlete,
whether it's Michael Jordan or someone at the recreational level
who plays average golf like myself, you will fail when
you play these sports and you will also fail in life.
But but the key is that you can't let a
bad shot or a bad round deter you and just say,

(24:40):
well that's it, I'm packing it in, I'm going to
give up because guess what, You're going to have bad
days at work. You're going to have days where you
know you're not sure that you ever want to come
back to the office. But you know what, you have
to continue to show up every day on the playing field.
You have to show up in the real world too.
And if you're just at home playing video games. You're
not getting you're not giving yourself that opportunity to fail

(25:02):
and fail publicly in some and in some ways humiliate
yourself because you need to be able to feel that
to experience real life.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Someone wants bottom lined it from bottom lined it for
him by saying it's earned success. You don't. It doesn't
come if it doesn't come easy, and you face adversity,
but you work through it and you earn success. That
is the pathway to everything. What your profession, your at,
whatever endeavor you may be engaged in. Does sport doesn't sport?
Does sports give us maybe our greatest opportunity for earned

(25:29):
success and what that would feel like to earn it?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (25:33):
Absolutely, I mean, you know, I used to teach tennis
uh in the summer, and uh, you're honestly, was nothing
that gave me greater satisfaction than than watching someone who
you know, maybe they couldn't hit a serve when I
first started working with them, but after a couple of weeks, uh,
you know, they they had their talks in the right spot,
they keeping their head up, all the basic fundamentals, and

(25:56):
it was almost as satisfying for me as a as
a former you know, college tennis ler to watch them succeeds.
But at the end of the day, when you see
yourself maturing and growing and getting better at sports, that
absolutely is It's good for your mindset. It's good for
your physical health, but it's good for your mental health too.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's an interesting topic, Greg about kids participating in youth
We've got a lot of questions about this. I'd like
to hear from our listeners. In the five o'clock hour,
we'll talk more about this about boys participating in youth sports.
Have you seen a decline? What it taught you? What
do you think it taught it children? There are a
lot of questions here surrounding sports, and I love seeing
kids participate in sports or any kind of activity that

(26:35):
gets them out and burns low energy, builds team builds relationships.
I think it's very, very important. I do they things
have changed so much.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, I just think it boils down to adversity. Adversity
is something will face and so many aspects of life,
and what greater way than through school activities or supports
or something where you face adversity, you overcome it and
you experience that earned success. It's just I think it's
the elixir of life.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sorry, we'll talk more about that. Get some of your
reaction coming up right here on the Rotten Gregg Show. Yeah,
that was a real interesting conversation with David Kelse we
had in the last segment talking about the decline of
boys participating in youth sports. And we're going to open
up the phones to you in the five o'clock camera
and get some of your thoughts on this because both
you and I, your daughter and your your son, they
played high school sports.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
They did. We have a lot of sports in our
family and we love and we love to watch sports.
We love to watch the our favorite teams. And you know,
if you if you grew up in Pittsburgh like I did,
you were just born into it. You really have a choice.
It's just what the family comes around and does you
watch all the sports that the team sports town. We're
the only team, we're the only city where all of
our professional teams have the same colors blackness.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, I'm black, and that's pretty cool. Well, I'm not
going to let you do this because you blew it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's a tongue twister.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
We're here.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You do it.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
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years of Fright Mayor Fears. I almost didn't make it.
We will take caller number ten right now. We have
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Speaker 1 (28:11):
Was not the script? Well, yes, that was not what
I had to read.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So we'll take color number ten right now, if you'd
like a four pack of tickets to Frightmare Pears, Lagoon
Amusement Parks, Lagoon Amus Collar number ten eight eight I
said it, oh, eight zero one. Gerald, your phone calls
talking about boys and youth sports coming up.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's time to go to church or just listening to
the show Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
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You can listen everywhere on the iHeartRadio. Make sure you
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Speaker 1 (28:45):
Citizen Hughes, all right, what he said?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
We we chad It had a real interesting conversation with
David Kletz, who is Kels. I'm sorry, he's author a
contributor at American Great NaNs, he wrote an article about
the decline of boys participating in youth sports and how
it led has led now to a generation what he
describes as soft isolated on young men in this country.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, it's really bad news. And I have seen in
the past things that make it hard for kids to
play at least organized sports, and that is transportation challenges.
If your household is one that doesn't have a mom
that can take you everywhere you need to go for
practice for games, that is a real issue. But then
you have the uber parents who put their kids in
one sport won't let them play any other sport. And

(29:34):
you got a lot of adults out there that it's
a bit of a cottage industry out there. To be
honest with you, well, in terms of the academies and
everything else. And if you broke down how much you
parents are paying for the academies and everything hoping to
get that Division I scholarship and maybe not have to
pay the school prices at least in Utah are tuition prices.
We've probably paid more. And when I say that, I'm

(29:55):
not judging, I've had my daughter, Sophie's played she played
competitive soccer. She played dead sports, and my kids have played,
so I get it. But I do think that in
some ways parents have just helped, I don't know, take
the fun out of it, and I could see where
kids kind of get burned out at an early age. Yeah,
so that's a real that's a reality too.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Then.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yet compound all of that with the kind of social
media and online distractions there are with your phones and
everything else. I think it's the worst case scenario that
kids are playing less sports. I think we needed really
turn that around.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, well, you mentioned the percentage of kids maybe getting
to university level and then to the NFL. The percentage
is small, it is, I mean, I think college athlete.
I think it is less than six percent of college
football players make it to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I couldn't be even have you heard that before.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I've heard it.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
It could be even smaller.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I think it's really decimal dust when you look at it.
And then those careers are very short. Yeah, the most
part football, we watched players that we see for a
long time. But all the players that make it, you know,
and go, their careers are very abbreviated, at least in
the nf fellas not along. It's not a long career.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah. Well, David brought up in his interview that we
did this survey that was conducted by the Sports and
Fitness Industry Association, and it found greg the percentage of
boys who regularly competed in sports dropped by nearly ten
points in the past decade, while the participation rate for girls,
still less than boys, has increased slightly.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well, I think good for the girls, I think they
won't regret it. But for boys, I don't know how
you become used to embracing adversity if not through sports.
You don't want to do it through anything harder than sports.
You don't want to do it because your life is
really bad. You don't want to do it because you're
getting beat up all the time, and you got to
face that. Sports is a great way to face adversity

(31:45):
and to overcome it and not be afraid of it.
There's a saying from a very very accomplished college football
coach that said adversity is the companion of a champion
and the enemy of the week. Okaya No is a
devo devo, so he's a head coach of Clemson. He
and I and I heard that and it just sung

(32:05):
to my soul. I think that adversity is nothing you
get around. You can't get around it. If you want
to accomplish anything in life, there's always going to be
an inherent adversity. It's do you run away from it,
do you try to avoid it, or do you understand
it's a way of life if you want to have
a good life, if you want to accomplish things in
your life, it's just part of the game. It's it's
you know, it's it's the price of getting in. It's

(32:26):
what you're going to do. The more you understand that
in life, the more you will be less, you'll be thwarted,
the more you'll succeed. If you understand the role that
adversity is always going to play in your life. What
teaches that better than sports? I mean the butterflies before anything,
especially something new, that are little ones. When they start playing,
like my son, when you start playing tackle football, man,

(32:47):
you couldn't have moms on the and the practice on
the CIEs. These kids get hard, they try to grind
it out. They look over the sidelines, see their mother.
There's seven years old, eight years old actually eight or
nine look over there and they start to cry. You
see their mom they start to cry. You know, you
see these little monsters of the midway. They're just just
slabber knocker tackles. They pull off their helmets and they
look like they're ready for the mathfair. This kid does

(33:09):
not look like a like a blitzing linebacker. And yet
you know you when you see them without the helmet on,
it's just I think it's I think it's a beautiful thing.
And that's just my little small view.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So what do you think is exactly to blame for
the decline of boys in youth sports?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I think it's a combination. One thing I regret is
if it's not organized, and it's not then it doesn't happen.
I do miss the pickup games. I don't think every
kid is going to be the best of their peers,
but if that means they don't get to play at all,
what a tragedy. I think you got to have pickup games.
You got to have kids that have access to sports.
Like about Junior jazz. A lot of the kids that

(33:45):
are really good at basketball, they get into these comp leagues,
but Junior jazz Man, the kids can just throw the
ball around. You know, they're throwing up you know, three pointers.
They're just having fun, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Just yes, they double dribble, these.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Young kids that are refing those games, and they're letting them.
They're slot let us slide a little bit. So I
just think, I think just being able to engage in
sports on any level, even even in the most informal way,
it's really good. And I do think we're getting away
from that. I do. I think everything's getting organized and
it's you know, cost money, it's expensive. And then you've
got social media that's not doing us any favors by

(34:21):
distracting these kids away from it as well.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, yeah, well you brough you brought up juju jazz.
I love it because they get the ball underneath basket
and they all run down court as fast as they can,
and they think if they're the fastest, yes they'll get
the ball and be able to score. That is what
the fun of sports is, you know. I And over
time that fun element starts going away, and that's sad.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I found that my children were capitalists and my nephews
and nitalists. If I offered them mulah money for goals
for for tackles. If I if I could, if I
could put a monetary goal to it, but it I
don't know why, but boy, these kids loved it. They
thought that was the coolest thing. When Sophie, when she
was playing Sandy Wreck, and I said, I'll give you

(35:06):
a buck every time you score a goal. Oh my goodness.
It turns out and Sandy Wreck you can score a
lot of goals. There's not even a goalie. She was
so young, they didn't even have a goalie there. Oh,
she's kicking it in there every time. When she learned
there's a dollar behind every kick. Man, it was expensive,
but you know, a little capitalists. Yeah, oh I loved it.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Idea, it was worth it. And that's why it's so
There are so many factors. You brought up cost, You
brought up specialization. Yes, I mean you know why. You
just can't have a league where kids can go and
play and not have to be the best at it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Just go play, just have fun.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
And that's the fun part of it.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You can't play any other sport. You'll get that you
had to play this sport only. I just think that
that's maybe maybe taking away the fun. I mean, look,
it was twenty twenty five. I might be I might
be out left field. My kids are older now. I'm
not in that kind of that time ye that season.
So yeah, maybe we're wrong. Maybe maybe our listeners have
some other takes on what's going on.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I have I have grandkids, three of them to play well,
all three play soccer, and one of them played soccer
and football, yes, right, and they love it and I
think it's good now running their parents around like crazy
because they're going from one end to the state to
the other to play soccer. Tron this right, but I
and they're tired sometime, but their parents require them to

(36:27):
keep up on their school work. Gearing up on your
school work, you don't get to play. We had, we
have three sons. All of them participated, and we said
you got to keep up your school work, and they
did and they played, and I think it was so
good for them. I and I played as a kid.
You played as a kid a lot of what I
played and you played. I think we're pickup games.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I mostly pick up neighborhood games. Playing in our neighborhood.
Wol kind of go over the other neighborhood and play them.
And we knew them from school. But you know, we'd
have a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, we all on organized I played organized Little league baseball, ye,
organized little league hockey. I guess what, I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
They never played play street hockey dawns around.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
That was fun, you know, on a concrete They didn't
have a little football back then. I would have loved
to play, but they didn't have it when I you know,
in the area that I grew up in. But it
taught us something, and you know, it had to show up.
You had to follow the plage. You had to do that.
You learn this and that's what you know. And you
make such good friends when you're in this together. Man

(37:27):
in a game, you make some you know, your buddies.
You're in that foxhole together and you got to play together.
That's why when I read this story, went gosh, guys,
get out there and get involved. It is and girls too.
I mean, but we're looking at the boys right now.
In the decline of boys.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I guess a couple of questions are around. I don't
know what we want to ask our audience, but a
couple of questions I have is do you think it's declining?
And if so, what would you attribute it to. But
the other question that I have is can you turn
it around? Is are we on a trajectory where we
have ten percent less young men playing sports today? Is
that just going to keep getting worse? Or is there
a turnaround? Yeah, that could happen. Yeah, I both are

(38:06):
interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah. We have a lot of questions out there for you,
and we'd like to hear from you on the decline
of boys playing in organized sports and what it is
led to. As this author indicated, it has led to
a generation of soft and isolated young men. Eight eight
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero triple eight
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(38:30):
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Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, got all the controls right there.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I'm in charge, baby, you are, don't take me off.
I'll turn your mic off, all right. The decline of
boys participating in youth sports? What is going on out there?
There are a lot of questions, a lot of reasons.
Let's hear from you tonight here on the Rotting Gregg
Show eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
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Speaker 1 (38:58):
Kay, let's go to Sebastian Waying and Logan Sebastian. Welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (39:05):
Good afternoon, guys, thanks for taking the call. So I've
got two points in a sub point here. One is
the disappearance of the driveway basketball hoop and they and
they've all gone away because of h oa's that h
as are terrible. That's the that's a separate issue. But
the the big point here is the disappearance of the

(39:27):
driveway basketball hoop.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (39:29):
The second point is the disappearance of the neighborhood park
that like you get you get these you know, tiny
little micro parks that have a slide or maybe one
of those rope rope gyms, but there's no basketball court.
The tenant place with pick with pickleball courts. Uh, I

(39:50):
don't know, you know that the the average teenager is
going to go and play pickleball with somebody three.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
Or four or five times their age.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Totally Rod's fault. That is, that is the the Boomers
have done this to us. The boomers have absolutely done this.
They taken all of our tennis courts away for pick
a ball.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now, now, wait a minute, I play in Casville quite
a bit. There are some really good young teenagers who play,
for sure, yes, and they whip our butts. They're good.
So there are some people.

Speaker 10 (40:21):
Who are picking up You've got a few more miles
on your knees.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Raw.

Speaker 10 (40:28):
But here, but here's the here's the sub point for
the neighborhood park. Yeah, I'm a child of the eighties
forty one. Uh I was a latch key kid, you know.
Uh I was able to go for you know what
seemed for miles on my bike by myself to the
neighborhood park and play pick up ball with the boys. Yep,

(40:51):
from you know, three or four or five different neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (40:55):
Right, and we and we just don't let our kids
do that anymore. These micro parks, these micro parks are
built into our neighborhoods. They're built into these master planned communities.
But then they're you know, all it is, like I said,
is a slide or one of these rope gyms or
or you know, not nothing, nothing truly physical, nothing that

(41:17):
would get a heart rate up. Nothing that would would
actually let boys get some energy out.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, you're right, Sebastian, very good. You know what they do.
They build them so they're safe. Don't want them falling
down getting sued.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
No one getting sued. But I'll tell you disappearance of
the basketball hoop in the driveways too. That's it. He's
actually right. I see less and less of that.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
You know, he just he just ticked off pickleball nation.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
No I did, No, he poor Sebastian didn't pick that fight.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I did.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I'm the one that said it was your fault.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Don't pick on pickleball. Back to the phones, we go.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Okay, let's go to Phil. Phil has been waiting. He's
in Layton, Phil, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Riding Gregg Show.

Speaker 11 (41:52):
So okay, So I coached little league for twenty years.
I had poor boys coached. I had two baseball teams,
two basketball teams, helped with the football team and did this,
enjoyed it, thoroughly found myself lost after the kids got married,
moved out and gone my last son. I got the

(42:15):
scourage because what I found is lack of parent support.
Parents just wouldn't sign their kids up my last son.
I don't think I ever had a full team to
the baseball practice, not once. And the other thing is
is they were involved in so many other things, scouting

(42:37):
and other activities that sports was kind of a secondary,
and so that was always a concern to me. The
other thing I noticed was fathers would not play with
their kids. I mean, I'd go out in the front
yard and I'd be practicing my kids and throwing the

(43:00):
ball back and forth, and I'd have one kid come
across the street with his glove want me to play
with him. Another kid would come, and I would have
three or four kids in the neighborhood, and I would
be playing catch with these kids, and I'd look at
my son and I'd say, let.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Me play with these guys.

Speaker 11 (43:19):
I'll practice with you later in the backyard and go
okay that he'd go in the house and I've practiced
with these kids next to me, and I'm thinking, dads,
you're losing it. You have these opportunities where these kids
want to do it. And so I think one is parents.
Two it's comp leagues. Top leagues have taken the good

(43:47):
players out left the kids who are half way wanting
to play maybe half not wanting to play, and it's
made the other coaches, the dads who volunteer not want
to coach.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, feel a good point and a couple of
things that he said, Right, my dad never played catch
with me. Okay, yeah, but I have a lot of friends.
True and today to to this day, I still love
playing catch with my with my sons. Right, we don't
play it very much, but what we do, it's still
it's that bonding that you have when you're just out

(44:21):
in the yard throwing a baseball.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
And you know what, if you go to a beach
with your kids, like my daughter, she knows how to
throw it. She can lace a spiral on the football,
like you can't bring that kid. Yeah, she's she's a
great little She can catch and she and she can
throw the ball. You go out on the beach and
you're throwing the ball as your kids. There's not a
lot of dads out there. You know, your kids aren't
running skinny posts and you're throwing the ball and they're
getting underneathing and catching it or throwing it back. And
so you can see the kids. You can see the

(44:44):
separation there too. And I think you're right it's so
much fun to be able to play catch with your
kids and do all of that.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And it's Phil brought up completes. I understand him, I
get it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
But he's coached a lot of different sports too, which
I love to hear all the different ones. We have
some people waiting on the line, would love them the
whole old. Yeah, because we're going to come into a
break right now. We want to get to your calls
when we come back from the break.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Your calls, your talkback message is all coming up on
the Rotten Greg Show. What is going on out there.
Let's go back to the phones and hear what zay
in Ogden has to say tonight. Zayane, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 12 (45:16):
Doing good?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Thank you? Yeah.

Speaker 12 (45:18):
I have twin boys. They are four years old, and
I went to sign them up for a soccer and
after the application fee, the uniform fee, getting them shoes
and everything, it was going to cost a little over
four hundred and eighty dollars per kid. Oh so a

(45:41):
thousand dollars just to get my four year old into soccer.
And I think that's a big part of it, is
just the younger generation, you know, we're trying to get
our houses, trying to get into all into new houses
and pay our bills and do everything right, and the
costs to get kids the sports is just way more

(46:02):
than anybody can afford nowadays.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Four hundred dollars for a four year old, zaying, really, that's.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Amazing, Yeah, four hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
When you started adding that up, what did you think?

Speaker 12 (46:15):
I mean, we were we were looking at it, and
they said that it was a fifty dollars application fee,
and I was like, oh, okay, fifty dollars to get
the kids into sports. That's not too bad. And then
we looked at the I think it was two hundred
and fifty dollars for their uniforms, and then they had

(46:35):
suggested shoe brands and suggested other stuff, and we looked
over the cost of all of them and they came
out to about four hundred and eighty and we're like, uh,
this just is not feasible right now for us financially.
We just like, maybe we'll take some of our tax
returns and save it, because we truly we believe that
sports is what is great for kids, and it's a

(46:58):
great outlet help them get their energy out help them
be more social and interact with people. And we want
that for our kids. But the cost is just insane, you.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Know what, zaying. I hate to tell you this, but
it only gets worse the older they get.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
No, but he's got twins, he's got double trouble. He's
got it's doubled. There that with those boys at four
years old, zaying your your story has a chilling effect
for me. Boys playing sports that is a lot of dope.
Have to fuk out, my goodness, hanging you call, Thank
you for holding on, Thanks for your call.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Wanting to get the kid four four year olds for
four year olds.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Come on, and you see this is where I just
hope that there's not these over zealous, you know, adults
that really do make a cottage industry out of playing sports.
I mean, we can't get these kids in the competitive
sports without four hundred bucks apiece for a four year old.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I mean, people can't afford to get into a house
Nowadays's forward that and get I mean two of those
that's one thousand dollars for two four year olds.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
They know it's it's it is, it's it's That would
have a chilling effect. I could tell you if that's
if we're seeing prices like that and we're looking at
ten percent less participation, you might look at the financial
you know, barriers to entry. We had a great caller
that also texted in and said that a lot of
high school sport coaches want their athletes to only play There's.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
One sport, one sport.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's one. They don't want them to be good at
basketball and football and baseball. That just one sport. And
I think that's not I don't think that's great either.
You look at Patrick Mahomes. You can see the basketball
in this game, just the way he can throw that
he can shuttle past that football. There's some basketball in there.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
That is the beauty. Sometimes I think Greg of growing
up in a small town, in a small school because
they haven't got enough kids, you'd.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Be a multi sport letterman.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I think of my wife's high school. She graduated with thirteen. Wow,
Now how big do you think that school was? That
a one room school.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I'm sorry, fight not goot after, but that's you and
those kids played. They played every they had. I think
it's eight man football, and yeah, they play eight man football,
so I know down to Texas. They even have six
man football really just to let be able to let
kids play.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. That whole UT conference, but
that was the greatest years I was. I was a
water boy, but I also was assistant coach slash water boy.
Hydration was important, you know, and stuck with those coaches
for many years with my kid and my son, and
it was such a fun seasonal life. I loved it
so much.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
All right, let's go to our talkback line. See what
they have to say. Here's one of our listeners. Whoops, there,
let me hit the right button. There we go.

Speaker 13 (49:38):
I'm one of those parents that make their kids play sports.
It doesn't matter what they play, as long as they're
playing a sports because it makes them better kids. I've
noticed their depressions not there, and they're much happier.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Absolutely, yeah, I think they are. Here's another comment. Hey,
Rod and Greg. I always enjoyed listening to you guys.
I'll keep this brief.

Speaker 14 (50:04):
When I was a kid, and I still am kind of,
but when I was younger, I played baseball, and the
reason why I stopped was one it was so much
easier to just stay at home and play video games
and the second reason was I didn't really feel as
welcome or as good as my other like peers. So

(50:24):
I mean that personally, that's why I stopped. But I
wonder if parents are being overprotective.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Now, uh, good point.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
He brings up some really good points. I do think
that for the kid himself, it is easier just to
play the video game than to go through at all.
And there's that temptation out there. But if you get
on the field and you're there, and there's there's kids
that these parents are uber, you know, competitive and everything else,
and then the kids are there anyway, you want the
team to feel like a team. If that our caller

(50:51):
when he was young, if he didn't feel like he
was on that team and that he felt separated from it,
it would be easier to quit as well. And I
do think that parents can get very competitive for and
on bealf of their kids in sports, and they get
that can be hard to.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
All right, We've got a lot more calls we'll get to.
We'll take a break and be back here on the
Rodden Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can ter s Way Home. We're talking about the
decline of boys participating in youth sports. There are a
number of reasons. We've heard a lot of them already
from our listeners, but we want to hear more of
your ideas as to what's going on. What it taught you,

(51:25):
if you played sports as a kid, what you think
is teaching your children now? Eight eight eight five seven
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All right, back to the phones we go. Let's talk
with Chris in Spanish for tonight. Chris, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show. Hey?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Doing well, Thanks guys. I appreciate the topic. I just
want to talk a little bit more about the pain
of the cost. So we had four kids. We had
we had three boys and have one girl. Our daughter
did La. So you guys had even talked about.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
That, you know what, And you're right, Chris, and that's
a money pit there.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Who's that's six hundred dollars a month from age three
until she was eighteen. On top of that, our boys
played competitive soccer and they had a spring season and
they had a fall season to do. The full season
was one thousand dollars for each. On top of that,
they played hockey, and so it was the sameties. So

(52:29):
here's the kicker. Our youngest decided he was good enough
to play travel hockey. So from age twelve until eighteen,
we were traveling the country, going to places like Pittsburgh.
In fact, Greg we had the opportunity to tour the
Penguins facility that she's an officer for the Penguins.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Oh, it was yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, And we were able to go into the locker
room and everything else. But here's the thing. Tuition for
him to play was four thousand per season. Every time
we do a tournament. Every time we do a tournament,
it was two thousand dollars. Because you got an airfare
for the parrot and the child, you got the hotel,
you got the rental car. And let me just say,

(53:16):
I learned. I memorized the Jimmy John's menus. That's how
we living traveled. Man.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
This is a this is a sobering conversation. I thought
I was doing it, but that kid was a soccer
and I miss all the thanksgivings on these roads, these tournaments.
I thought that was a hard life, that this is
a tough one you're describing. Chris.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Hey, you know what, Chris, I grew up in. I
grew up in Upstate New York, not far from the
Canadian border. Right. Every little town in that part of
the country has its own skating rink. So we all
we had to do was travel about. Maybe the farthest
we travel may have been ninety miles to play hockey,
but I understand, I mean ice time around here. I
mean there are quite a few ranks, but nothing like

(53:57):
you have in states like Minnesota and Detroit and Wisconsin
and Upstate New York and Pennsylvania. There are ranks everywhere,
so you don't do much traveling. But boy, Chris, that
is a lot of money. What position did your son
play in hockey?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
All of them were defense. Are the oldest played for
one of by u's last seasons, the title nine crap
ended up killing the the team. And so what's funny though,
is all those BYU players and they moved over to UVU.
So Greg, UVU has a team over there, and our
youngest now plays for UVU. This season. Yeah, yeah, it's

(54:35):
paid off. And you know what, it's kept them out
of trouble. That boy hasn't been expensive. My wife and
I look at my retirement and go went to the kids.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
That's a tough way. If his kids play defensive hockey,
they must be all Chrystal Tang fans from the Penguins.
Crystal Tang Great.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I played, That's what I played. I played defense, defense
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I love that. I love that sport too.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It is a rough, fast, it is a ball.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
To play is it is a great I love. I
love hockey.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I really years ago when I was up in Seattle,
ran into a guy from Detroit. We got to talk.
He loves hockey as well, and he said, hey, why
did you come with me? We'll play senior hockey. Was
no way I was going to get out there at
place because you couldn't check. That's the part of hockey.
You got to wake them up a little bit. Just

(55:24):
the equipment.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
No, it's I would say ice hockey would be one
of the more cost prohibitive sports for your kids to
be in. But Chris was doing the soccer thing. Man,
I thought I had I had a rough go these
you know, these Thanksgiving tournaments and everything, and You're going,
we didn't have to go to you know, San Diego.
You didn't to play a tough game. We have a
lot of good competition here in the state, but you

(55:46):
did that. And and so I I hope listeners don't
think that I'm sour grapes. My kids. Actually, my daughter
played camp soccer, so I've I've been in the circuit.
I've been, I've been to all that and I and
she played, you know, went throughout her and so I know,
I know what that's that's about. I just in hindsight,
looking back and hearing the stats we're hearing about how

(56:06):
kids are starting to maybe a police boys, starting to
slow down and wanting to play like that. It gets
really intense, it does. It becomes it becomes a big
challenge financially, but also on the kids themselves.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You know, a frightening trend that I'm starting to see
greg in high school football. You've got some of the
better teams in the state who now travel the country, yeah,
to play teams like in Florida, in Los Angeles, in
the southern California down to Texas, and those teams are
coming here and that has got to be expensed. I mean,
you better have a couple of big boosters who will

(56:39):
fork out some cash or it's not going to happen.

Speaker 11 (56:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
No, that is getting that, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Seeing that trend now more and more.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah. And you get these national teams like this Bishop
Gorman out of Vegas, and you've got that IMG team
out of Florida, and they're traveling all over this country
playing the best teams, and it's it's you know and look,
Corner Canyon plays those teams. Are our local high school
team plays in those teams. So and they travel too.
So I don't know how all that all that is
being paid for, but it would be it can be

(57:05):
cost prohibitive for a lot of families.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
On the idea of kids sports, like Chris said, you know,
you learn so many things. First of all, you make
really good friends, you do do you know? You have
good coaches, and you have real jerks, yeah for coaches,
And you learn, you know, people are all different and
you run in sons playing football. And I asked my
oldest boy who played up with the U, so what

(57:28):
did you learn? He said? The thing I learned about
football you get knocked down you have to get right
back up.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, you have to play for for McBride and for
Urban Meyer.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
For Urban and for Kyle three coaches and oh wow, okay,
but he said, Dad, you get knocked down and you
got to get back up. And that's what I tell
my kids, because he now helps coach high school teams.
That's he teach those kids. You're going to get knocked
down and if you want to continue to play, you
better get back up and tall.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Some those are cuts are no joke, man. They all
punch of athletes over there.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
They are.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
He's got grandkids that are running it in soccer and football,
same season, same time. So it takes the soccer cleats
off coast throws a football for a few touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I loved it, man, all right by coming down Utah
Senator esteemed Senator Mike Lee Will that's coming up stay too.
You're telling us where to go, all.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Right, I am. I'm adding, yeah, you should see. Folks.
I even have good commentary when we're not on the air.
We were just watching this clip in the Fox News
and we just saw Obama's new come upcoming presential.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
What is that monstrosity?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I'm telling you this thing looks as scary and as
draconian as any structure you've ever seen. I told Rod,
if he's not worshiping the devil, he should, because the
thing looks like that's exactly where kind of dungeon and
castle you'd be doing that kind of stuff in. Because
that thing is a monstrosity. It is straight out of
a science fiction horror film where the bad guy's really bad.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Well, yeah, he's bad. That that thing is just that
was terrible. How would you like that in your neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Wake up every morning and then might Meanwhile, Miami, some
court has stopped Drumps from from from about purchasing the
land for his presidential library.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
None in Miami, He's courts. They just there.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
They stopped him from being able to let go. That
came out today right before we came on the air,
that the federal some federal judge says you can't fire
anyone thanking federal ployee. Wow, I didn't know the executive
branch can't do that. We're only trillions in debt. And
now they've got some court in Miami saying you can't
buy land for your uh, for your presidential library. It's
like huh and the judiciary keeps going, this is Supreme Court.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Porate.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
They're really you know, asserting themselves because you're crazy. You're
making rulings you never made before. This Trump derangement syndrome
has just gotten, I mean so out of hand.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Hey, before we hear from Utah sunder Mike Lee. Uh
Kamala is continuing her book tour.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
How's that going?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Do you hear what she said last night? No, no
one was more qualified to be president than me. There
you go, she's qualified. Just ask her, No one was
more qualified to be president than me?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, well she's Yeah, She's had a lot to say
about ourself in that book, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
She's a little deranged. Yeah, just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
The Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, as they
like to say.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
All right. We had a chance to talk with Utah
sender Mike Lee a while ago. This was when the
voting was taking place and yet another effort to give
the government back open it failed for what the eighth
time now today eight failures?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Vote today up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, we talked to the Center and asked us to
ask Tim to give us an update as to what's
going on with the shutdown.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
Right now, votes open on the Senate floor. I just
cast a vote, voting yes on a clean continuing resolution.
This would give Democrats he had another opportunity to end
the Schumer shutdown, to shutdown that they created. They haven't
created this controlling zero of the three political levers. It
found in the two political branches of the US government.

(01:00:51):
They should take it. Not holding my breath, but they
really should take it now. Look, nearly every Senate Democrat
is repeatedly voting pretty every time to keep the government shutdown,
going to maintain the Schumer shutdown, even though Republicans have
offered this clean bill, this resolution that maintains the same

(01:01:12):
spending levels that Democrats have supported as recently as earlier
this year. So this was already a generous offer, one
could argue, and right, I'm inclined to make the argument
that it was an overly generous offer, but Republicans ered
on the side of generosity in order to avoid this
very thing. But they've shut it down anyway, demanding more

(01:01:34):
and more of your tax dollars to support the illegal aliens.
And they can't pretend otherwise. Look, they're bigly proposal to
stop the shutdown failed because it was designed to fail.
They knew that it never had a chance, because that's
what happens when you say no, we want to spend
another one point five trillion dollars on top of the
thirty eight trillion dollars in debt we've already accumulated, so

(01:01:57):
that we can, among other things, make sure that we
can provide free medicaid for illegal aliens. But they want
this to continue. They're refusing to pass this. They're holding
the government hostage to turn back the clock on the
very same policy victories that we made in the One
Big Beautiful Bill earlier this year, which would you know,

(01:02:19):
among many other things, enable illegal aliens on the Democrats
planned to once again benefit from American taxpayers. We're not
going to put up with them. But that is a
victory that we secured through the One Big Beautiful Bill
Act earlier this year taking them off of free federally
funded healthcare that resulted specifically from the Democrats failed policies

(01:02:43):
over the last four and a half years. They lost elections,
they lost both Houses of Congress over the last few
years because of that, they lost the White House because
of that, and now they want to make it all
go away and pretend like they're still in charge. We're
not doing that, Senator.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
The Hill is reporting that Senate may consider as early
as maybe even tomorrow, a defense spending bill, a bill
that was passed out of Senate Committee in July with
bipartisan support twenty six yes's, three no's. If that is
the case, and you may see a bill in front
of you, an appropriations bill tomorrow for defense spending, do

(01:03:19):
you worry that that that could be just piecemealing what
would otherwise be a clean cr Is it a good
thing to vote for defense spending and just portions of
the bill, or do I have it wrong? What do
you know about that vote that may come up tomorrow
for the defense spending bill.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
Look, it's a possibility. If this one is a tough call.
On the one hand, you don't want to make it
too easy for the Democrats to conceal the absurd position
that they've taken. On the other hand, insofar as what
we're going to do is open up the process so

(01:03:57):
that we can pass some spending bills, get at least
some of the government funded, as we should have been
doing four months, but Democrats have dragged their feet. One
can make an argument for that. So It's not categorically
a bad idea. I'm not yet sure it's going to happen.
If it does happen, it needs to come with adequate
process where members have the opportunity to review it, debate it,

(01:04:22):
and amend its provisions on the floor prior to final passage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Sender, Let's move on to a couple of other topics.
Of course, a big ceremony of the White House yesterday
honoring Charlie Kirk. And now we have this story today
that the State Department is revoking the visas of six
people for making social media comments about the assassination and
praising the assassination. Marco Rubio is moving forward with this,
and he basically said today why would why want idiots

(01:04:47):
like this into this country? I mean, what do you
make of what's being done here when it comes to
these visas well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
First of all, I think he's being far too fair thing.
He's being unfair to idiots, because these people who openly
celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination and seem to call for more,
these are more than idiots. These are people who we
don't want in our country. These are people who are
not inclined to live according to the values that we

(01:05:13):
have in the United States of America or the laws
of any civilized country. So I applaud him for doing that,
only I would use stronger terminology than idiots there to
describe them. People who come here on if Lisa need
to remember that they're on our soil and they're subject
to our terms. And I think that's a legitimate basis
for excluding someone who's not entitled to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Senator, looking at our president, looking at what's happened in
the Middle East, looking at his leadership and all that
he is doing, meeting, you know, going to Israel, meeting
with their equivalent of their parliament, going in and meeting
in Egypt with Arab states. You can feel the world
is really looking to his leadership right now in a
strong way. Does that have any East capital in the

(01:06:01):
halls of the Senate? Is his leadership around the world
and what we're seeing as people, is that being felt
inside of Washington, d C. Is he getting more credibility,
more swat, more capital to spend in your world as
we're seeing it happen around the world.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Absolutely. First of all, with regard to this ceasefire in
the Middle East, President Trump's showing here and elsewhere what
it means to put America first. So that historic achievement
is itself an amazing new opportunity for peace. And you
saw how much he was praised. That in turn casts

(01:06:37):
a favorable light on President Trump's ability to influence things
in a way that will benefit the United States of
America and her citizens, in ways that extends far beyond
the Middle East, far beyond the Israel Gaza crisis, and
all over the place. The fact that you had most

(01:06:57):
of the major networks, albeit many of the print media
outlets in this country, albeit begrudgingly, giving him praise for
what he did the other day, is itself a signal.
And that's the kind of signal that also will enhance
his ability to get other things done. I think there
are a lot of people who are seeing what a
talented individual this is. And while his methods may be

(01:07:19):
conventional and for some unsettling at times, the results speak
for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
You TuS ender Mike Lee joining us on our newsmaker
line a short time it goes. We talked to him
about what's going on in Washington now when we come back.
Greg on social media a video posted today wait till
you hear this, and my question would be, or our
question would be to our listeners, what would you do
in this case? Okay, can't wait to hear this, and

(01:07:45):
you tell us what you would do. That's coming up
on the Roding greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n R S taking center stage today
on the Rotten Gregg Show. It's great to have Leslie
from icon Glass back with us. Boy, this is a
great time of year, less says. She loves this time
of year, don't you, Lesson? It's a perfect then, all right,
you get to enjoy, you know, the cooler temperatures, weekend

(01:08:05):
getaways and scenic drives through Utah's beautiful canyons. But before
you hit the road, less let's talk about something that's
easy to overlook but critical for your safety. We're talking
about your windshield, and let's talk about this. Why is
it so important, less right now to fix even the
small chips or cracks your windshield? Why is it so important? Lesson?
It's a great question, Rod.

Speaker 15 (01:08:25):
Even minor damage can weaken your windshield and compromise your safety.
So fixing it early keeps it from spreading, and it
will save you money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
In the long run. So it's not just about seeing clearly,
it's about protecting yourself and your passengers. What causes most
of this kind of damage, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:08:39):
It's going to be road debris, temperature swings, and even
the small fender benders. So the fall weather can make
existing chips worsen, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
With the cold mornings. And if someone spots a chip,
what do you recommend they do?

Speaker 15 (01:08:52):
Well, call it professional right away, like us the icon Glass.
And then here's a tip. Maybe cover it with some tape,
clear tape, just to keep the debree out of it,
and tell we can arrive out to you or you're
able to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
To a shop boy. That's some smart advice. And I
love how fast you work most repairs. You say, what
take about thirty minutes?

Speaker 15 (01:09:10):
Last, Yeah, twenty to thirty minutes, and we'll get you
back and out on the road.

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All right, don't wait folks, get that windshield fixed today
before the fall weather really hits and makes it even worse.
All you do is have to dial pound two to
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say icon Glass. Time now for a news update.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Thanks Front and Greg. A man accused of threatening Utah
football fans. This weekend's big rivalry game against BYU in
Provo now booked into the Emery County jail. An update
coming up at the bottom of the.

Speaker 16 (01:10:03):
It looks as though we have a crash I eighty
westbound approaching Third West looking onto I fifteen. There's a
wreck in Lehigh's southbound at Main Street in the right shoulder.
Also a crash I fifteen northbound approaching north Clearfield in
the right shoulder in Davis County and State Street watch
for a crash southbound at the I eighty interchange.

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Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Of your card, We'll talk about getting back to tougher policing.
Are we starting to see it around the country. That's
coming up on the Rod and Greg Show. But right now, this,
I guess we could call this segment are what would
you do if this happened to you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
It's kind of surreal, really, I think kind of weird.
This video you showed me is just yeah, and I
think it's true. Sometimes I worry some of these things
are just contrave they're not real, they're just trying to
trick you. But this one feels real, and this seems
like a real moment.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
What's happening? This was This was reposted on social media
by Leo Terrell and Leo Torell, frequent guest on Fox News.
Many of you know who Leo was, but I want
you to listen to this exchange between this woman. She
had she has an EV, her battery was dying. Yes, okay,
So she just pulls into a guy a driveway of

(01:11:25):
somebody she doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It's a residence. It's not a charging station.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Not a charge But he has an EV and has
his own charging.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Station, so he spotted the charger on the side of
the home in front of the driveway and pulls.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
In, pulls in and starts charging. Listen to this exchange
can I help you? I see that, but this is
my house and it's my charger.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
That he use.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I know it'll be like twenty minutes.

Speaker 18 (01:11:53):
Yeah, it that's really not You can't just pull up
to someone in someone's driveway and you use their charger.
Didn't even ask for a commission. I mean maybe if
the knocked on my door and asked me, I would
have potentially right, but you're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Just pulling my driveway.

Speaker 18 (01:12:06):
My wife's about to be home any minute now, you're
in her spot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Okay, Well, I'm pregnant.

Speaker 19 (01:12:11):
My car's about to die.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
So I had those plays and I saw that there
was nothing charger.

Speaker 15 (01:12:16):
Are you recording me right now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Is that what your phone will play?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Die?

Speaker 18 (01:12:19):
I am recording you because you're on my property, and
I'm sorry that your car's about the die. But you
know they're superchargers that you're supposed to test. It will
tell you when your car's about the pie.

Speaker 19 (01:12:28):
I mean, okay, so if you have to stop recording
me and stop recording my plates.

Speaker 15 (01:12:32):
So my husband is an attorney, so you're not gonna
put this video anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
So I'm not sure what you're doing with your phone.

Speaker 18 (01:12:37):
How, I mean, do you normally do this? Do you
normally pull up to people's houses and use their charge.

Speaker 16 (01:12:42):
My car isn't dying.

Speaker 10 (01:12:43):
I have to the doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
My car to dying on the way home. I'll be
done in like twenty minutes. It's really not that big
to deal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Now, what would you do in that case, mister hughs
I know, well, I can guess what you do, but
I'll let you say for yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I Well, first off, now we don't know if this
is real or fake. I guess this this look.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Can you listen to it? You might not know, but
if you watch her body language and you look at it,
it does look if they're If they're acting, they're very
good actors, because she is just so entitled and she
is just again she's she's pregnant, and you see in
the video that she's pregnant and my car was dying.
He's like, hey, okay, but you didn't even ask permission.
I would turn the power off. I would go to
the I'd go to my my fuse box and I

(01:13:24):
would turn the power off that garage in that area there.
I would just turn that right off and I'd call
the police if she would not stop trespassing on in
my on my property. She's like, I don't know why
you're recording me. You're gonna have to stop. My husband's
an attorney. You're on my property, you're trespassing. I am
going He needed to record himself just to make sure
that this insane story was accurately portrayed. Law enforcem because

(01:13:46):
if she's not gonna leave, you do have to call five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Oh yeah, Well in this case, Greg, first of all,
you're trespassing, and aren't you stealing?

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yes, I mean takes a cost of that power.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
It's a cost of that power, right, But like you said,
her body language, if this is real, she she won't
even make eye contact with the guy. She keeps on
looking at her.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Phone, and she's just a power stations.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I'll only be here a couple of minutes. Hey, come on,
I'm pregnant. I gotta you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I just doctor and I'm My charge was low, and honestly,
I think I think he said you didn't even ask.
I think anyone if you saw a pregnantly come and
say my car's about to die, I'm so sorry. Is
there a way I could have a charge? Who would
say no to that? I think anyone would would probably say, yeah,
go ahead. But when you just come out there and
find her, and she doesn't even like I'm so sorry,

(01:14:34):
she doesn't even she has there's no sense of shame,
there's no like, I'm sorry I'm doing this, but I
just I'm afraid I'm gonna get stranded on the road.
She doesn't even try. She just informs him, informs him
that I saw it, I needed it. I'm pregnant, uh,
and uh, you know I'll be done here soon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I kind of get that. I'm worried this isn't real,
but it's sure just has a real feel to it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I'm telling you when I watch I think when you
watch it again, they would be incredibly good actors. If
if she's acting and it's her the way she's acting,
that just seems entitled and expectant. He's I think he's
he's pretty clear. I mean, maybe the only part that
makes you think it might be an act is that
he's so level headed and he's so articulate, and what

(01:15:17):
he's saying is the problem. But you know, because I
don't know that I would have walked it through that
comment'd be going, are you out of your mind? You
are on my property. Get off.

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I think I would have walked over, unplugged it, gave
her her charger and said, see, you get off my property.
You have no right to be here. You're stealing my electricity.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
That's right, and with it with the with the clincher
being she never asked and she just did it. And
then when you caught her doing it, she's absolutely defiant.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah, she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think he handled it better.
But I think that I don't know how that would
have ended. But because the video cuts off before you
see how that issue has resolved. But I mean, if
he's smart, she's not getting any more power out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
All right, More coming up on the Roddy and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Okay, al right, Well, the final four included India, and
I'm going to tell you I've been to India. You
should have won it all because I'm going to tell
you I've never been so traumatized in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, kind of funny. Well, years ago, Greg, there was
a essay written about broken windows and it really I
think a lot of people say it captured the essence
of a simple but deeply insightful idea. If a window
in a building is broken and left unrepaired, all the
rest of the windows will soon be broken as well.
Rudy Giuliani took that issue to heart and really did

(01:16:33):
something when it came to crime in New York. The
boy of Times changed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
That's right, And I think Times Square was almost the
epicenter of just how bad in the eighties. It was
when Rudy Giuliani became there and that he turned it around.
And Times Square has been for a long time, you know,
a real tourist attraction. But it was bad. But it's
kind of going back.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, it is. Unfortunately it is going back. Well, let's
talk more about policing in America today. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now is Rafael. He is a
fellow and deputy director of Legal policy there at the
Manhattan Institute, also contributing editor at City Journal. Rafael, thanks
for joining us. Give us an update on policing in
America today. Where do you think it stands?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:17:13):
I think there are a lot of signs that we
are starting to get tougher. Police departments across the country,
especially in the NYPD, are reporting things like more arrests,
increases in stops. We are seeing the jail populations rise
in various cities, especially in New York, where the population
went from a low of about thirty eight hundred inmates

(01:17:34):
in twenty twenty to more than seven thousand right now.
We're seeing the prison population across the country rise. So
there are some very encouraging signs that law enforcement is
getting tougher throughout the country. However, the thing that continues
to play police departments in big cities throughout America is
that the departments are still struggling to meet their recruitment

(01:17:57):
and their retention goals, which means that they are bleeding
officers and having to do more with less.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
You know, it resonates with me. I think we went
through that whole, you know, the during the BLM effort,
and you know, the going after the police and making
the police the problem. But you see some large metropolitan
areas that seem to be having a more difficult time
than this than others. You see Portland, you see Chicago.
But on the other hand, the stats aren't matching up
in New York City and some of the other major

(01:18:26):
metropolitan areas. Would that be because they have re embraced
the broken windows theory that they are going to charge
crimes and hold people accountable. What's the difference between some
of our large, frankly Democrat run cities that are not
seeing the same homicide rate and crime rate as we're
seeing as high as it is in Chicago and Portland.

Speaker 9 (01:18:45):
Yeah, Look, I mean I think there are certainly cities
that are more far gone than others. You have some
of the more radical jurisdictions that haven't quite learned their lessons.
You have others that do seem to be showing at
least some signs. But I think one of the sort
of biggest takeaways is that as far removed as we
are from the hysterics of the height of the BLM

(01:19:08):
are in twenty twenty, it is still the case that
police officers and potential recruits still don't trust that their
cities are going to have their back, which is why
I think so many of these large urban departments are
continuing to struggle to recruit new officers and to maintain
the officers that they have on the forestreets. Which you're

(01:19:29):
seeing is a lot of big cities losing officers to
nearby suburban departments or departments in the South, where the
sort of perception is that you know, among police is
that they're going to have more political support and more
support from the community in other parts of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Let's talk about the whole recruitment issue in the battle
for recruits, Raphael. Here in Salt Lake City, we've seen
the ads from ICE advertising that they need officers for them.
Local jurisdictions are concerned that they'll lose officers because they're
offering bonuses and pretty good pay. I mean, is that
could that have an impact on efforts as well? Do
you feel?

Speaker 18 (01:20:06):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:20:06):
I think it's absolutely had an impact. I mean, you know,
here in my home city of New York, I mean,
we have seen police departments in states like Florida buy
up really expensive billboard space in Times Square appealing directly
to the NYPD officer, saying, you know, come down to
where you're going to be appreciated. Not only will we
give you a hiring bonus, but you can be sure

(01:20:28):
that we're going to actually prosecute the people that you
risk your life arresting. And that has been I think,
you know, very very effective. I know personally, a number
of NYPD officers who left the department and headed down
south and pursued, you know, bonuses in places that they thought,
you know, as one of my friends put it, where

(01:20:48):
he could be a real cop again. And that is
absolutely a motivating factor. So what I think you're going
to start to see is the jurisdictions that are responding,
you know, to what officers want, are going to start
to see success. And the jurisdictions like New York that
haven't quite gotten the message are going to continue to
struggle on the recruitment and retention front.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I think this catch and release and I think it's
such a demoralizing issue for members of law enforcement. What
they have to go through when they arrest somebody, the
probable cause statement, they have to fill out, all that
the work they have to do, only to find out
that person's been released before they're even done with the paperwork.
It has a chilling effect on trying to enforce the law.
A lot of that is pointed towards systemic racism. Now

(01:21:30):
we're in Utah. There's not high minority populations in Utah,
but we find this mindset being spoken about here in
our state. What have we disproven this systemic racism is
it an actually a real problem. I mean, what's the
status of that, because I think that sometimes informs what
judges do or how hard they make it for law
enforcement to do their job.

Speaker 9 (01:21:51):
Oh, I think it's a toxic idea that unfortunately does
absolutely continue to inform how judges and prosecutors are doing
their jobs, particularly in liberal, deep blue jurisdictions. But I
don't think there's much to the idea. I mean, the
whole premise is that wherever we see racial disparities and
the enforcement data, that we are to sort of take
those disparities as prime of facia evidence of discrimination on

(01:22:15):
the part of the people engaging in the enforcement practices. Now,
the problem with that, of course, is that we know
that crime is not evenly distributed. It's not evenly distributed
throughout the country. It's not evenly distributed throughout our counties.
It's certainly not evenly distributed even within neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:22:29):
Crime concentrates at the micro geographic level, and so in
a city like New York, for example, you have a
situation where about four percent of street segments see about
fifty percent of all the violence, and about one percent
of street segments see about twenty five percent of all
the violence. The unfortunate reality is is that certain demographic
groups are overrepresented, both among victims and perpetrators in those

(01:22:51):
micro geographic places where crime concentrates. Now, the question that
we should be asking ourselves is do we want to
live in a society that is responsive to where the
victimization is happening. If we do, and I think we do,
and I think we should, then the natural consequence of
that is that more police are going to be deployed
to the higher crime areas, which means that's where they're

(01:23:11):
going to have the most opportunities to make contact with
people and enforce the law. That is why we see
the disparities that we see in the enforcement data, And
what I wish people who sort of beat this systemic
racism drum so incessantly would do is take a step
back and consider what the reality would look like if

(01:23:31):
we ignore the disparities and victimization. So here in New
York City, every single year, a minimum of ninety five
percent of our shooting victims are black or Hispanic. Blacks
and Hispanics do not constitute ninety five percent or anywhere
near that of New York City's population, a black male
in this country is something like ten times more likely
to be shot to death than a white male in

(01:23:53):
this country. Those are the disparities that the social justice
warriors should be concerned with. Unfortunately, that is a problem
that's much too complicated for them to confront it because
the answers to those problems are ones that they don't like.
They tend to focus somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Raphael, we now have a president who is a big
supporter of law enforcement, maybe their biggest fan. What do
you think that has done to Morale? I know there
are many many challenges the police on the street face today,
but his support of them, what is it done do
you think for Morale?

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
I think it's done quite a bit. You know, it's
certainly as he boosted their spirits at least in some
parts of the country, but unfortunately in other parts of
the country. You know, having a supportive president in the
White House can only take you so far. At the
end of the day, President Trump does not have control
over local budgets. He does not have control over local policies,

(01:24:44):
and so you can end up with a situation like
we have here in New York City where Zoorun Mom
Donnie he was leading the mayoral race at the moment,
you know, is a defund the police guy who you
know has sort of walked back some of that, but
has continued to propose insanity if you win the election,
including for example, abolishing the NYPD's gang database, just you know,

(01:25:06):
to give one example. So it was encouraging, as it
might be to have Donald Trump in the White House
with the support that he's shown to police. I think
local leaders are still sort of casting a shadow over
what would otherwise be a sunny day in policing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
From the Manhattan Institute, also a writer a city journal
talking about policing getting tougher, getting tough police stands, and
that's what we need in this country today. Certainly the
President putting his you know, putting everything he knows and
behind police law enforcement in this country today, and it's
a real challenge for officers out there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Well, it's not a theory. It just works. Every single
time you do it, You enforce the laws and you
get less crime. What amazing idea imagine that. Yeah, it's
not complicated, that's all I do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Some audio that will catch you up on the news
of the day coming up next right here, on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five. Dine, okay,
and right we're wrapping up. Well here sounds of the
day that you may have missed. I think I'm developing
a man crush.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Really. Yeah, I not discussed this before, this needs to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
But I absolutely love what Marco Rubio is doing as
Secretary of State.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Yeah, he is, really he is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Remember when he was everyone who was excited about him
when he was first elected, and shortly after he came
out with that stupid Gang of Eight immigration plan that
didn't work, and then he responded to who was president
at the time. It would have been probably Obama.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
With a glass of water.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Glass of water, because he was and you coin went.
But he has really turned out to be a great
secretary of State.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
He sure has.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Yeah, he has. Well. He announced yesterday he is revoking
the visas of six people for making incendiary social media
comments about the assassination of kind of Charlie Kirk. Listen
to what he said when he was asked about this
while he was getting ready to travel somewhere in the world. Well,
I can't think about Charlie Turvis.

Speaker 18 (01:27:03):
You're a foreigner and you're out the celebrating the assassination
of someone who was speaking and somewhere we don't watch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Why wouldn't he want to give a vista a somewhere
who thinks he's good. Get someone with murders in the
public square.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
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Speaker 18 (01:27:19):
I don't know we're vote beating the people with anything
like the countries, because we'll certainly been.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Denying the sas.

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
I want every to think about this munt and pick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
You're out there celebrating the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Assassized that whole blood that the west whitey.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Then you want to come out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Why would we want nicky like that in our country
as a tourist at anything. We don't want them to
be here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
So we gotta go a process in all these and.

Speaker 18 (01:27:41):
Well, I'm sure there'll be something or the hope there's
no shortage of idiots around the world and it's decided
it's a great idea of murders someone when it's two
month people at time and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I said to speak, you know, there's no shortage of
idiots around the world who liked the idea of killing people.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Yeah, why do we want them in the country. It's
very and look these there's no one's entitled to a visa.
I mean, I don't know if you've ever tried, but
I mean I remember when I was young. I you know,
we were trying to get a visa. I was in
Australian I'm trying to get a visa to live in
Papua New Guinea as a missionary. And they're very finicky.
It was very a very finicky process. They don't just

(01:28:15):
say yes to everybody, and they, in fact didn't. They
decided when there was no rhyme or reason to it
that I could that anyone could discern. But those visas,
you can look at things like that and go, yeah,
I don't know if that's a value add here the
celebration of assassination, I don't know. I mean, we have
freedom speech. We've got some you know, some of our
own homegrown idiots that are saying that. But you certainly

(01:28:37):
don't have to bring them in. No, you don't have
to import them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
In the power of saying no, that's it, and that's
all you have to do. Now, let's go to the House.
Democrats yesterday went to Mike Johnson's office. He's the Speaker
of the House and decided to hold a little demonstration.
Let's do what happened? I swear her in? Is that

(01:29:05):
what they were saying? Swear who in?

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yeah? I know, I think they have a member that
might have got elected in a special election, but they're
not in. They're not in because Democrats have shut it
down down. Don't come and chance, swear in. Get your
Senate colleagues to pass the clean cr pass the budget
they've all voted for in July, or and yeah in July.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Now, our good friend Harry Inton at CNN took good
look at the House races next year because a lot
of people are predicting the Republicans could lose control of
the House next year.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Well, there's a pressing that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, Harry is saying, wait a minute.

Speaker 19 (01:29:37):
Okay, So you know, if you go back six months ago,
you go back to April, K Paul, when what were
we looking at. Well, we were looking at the Democrats
with a very clear shot of taking control of the
US House of Representatives. According to the Calshi prediction market odds,
we saw him in an eighty three percent chance. But
those odds have gone plummeting down. Now we're talking about
just a sixty three percent chance. Well, the gopiece chances

(01:29:59):
up like a rocket up like gould up from seventeen
percent to now a thirty seven percent chance, so will
look like a pretty clear Democrat likely Democratic winning the
House come next year has become much closer to toss
up at this point, although still slightly leading Democratic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
The only thing the Democrats have is that when a
president from one party wins in the presidential year, two
years later, it usually is the case that the party
that didn't win is out of a part power does
better in the midterms. That has just been the way
America kind of you know, they kind of go one
way for a while, then they kind of flex. But
the Democrats, I believe, are doing their level best to
prevent that precedent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, they're doing really well. I'll say, all right, that
does it for us tonight, head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family and this great country
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