The Rod and Greg Show: Senator Mike Lee on Progress of the SAVE Act

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We have got a lot to get to today. Greg
fireworks again today in the nation's capital. Yesterday it was
Pambondy in the US House. Today it was Keith Ellison,
who was the Attorney general in Minnesota before the Senate

(01:35):
and Boyd, did the Senate the Republicans on the Senate
side have a field day with this guy today?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah. Well, again, we talked about it yesterday and some
of that is, I guess you got to play the
game that's in front of you, and so it's performative
on all sides. I sell what it is, but it's
sad because those committee hearings are supposed to have an
a there's supposed to be a purpose to them. There's
supposed to be some action. There's actional items that would
often that used to happen in the legislative branch in Washington.

(02:03):
But these aren't. These are just for sound bites and
for clicks. But wouldn't you like to see something come
up some of these the testimony under oath and the
things that are said. But you know, if anything, we
get to the least see them go toe to toe.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I can get to hear you know here all the
vim and vigor.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Josh Holly went after Ellison today. Sandra Moreno, I think
from Ohio, went after him today. And I want to
let you listen to this sound bite from Ron Johnson,
he's the Republican senator from Wisconsin, the great state of Wisconsin,
really got after Keith Ellison today. Listen to this exchange
before this Senate committee.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
And two people are dead because you encourage them to
put themselves into harm's way, and now you're exploiting those
two marks. That was a tragedy. It never should have happened.
Now we can investigate, but I can't imagine being a

(03:00):
law enforcement official where I know my colleagues have been
shot at, their vehicles rammed, but their trained active is deployed.
And by the way, we know at least one of
those activists had some automatic pistol with extra clips. So
now you're an ice officer, you're doing enforcement action, You've

(03:22):
got a team behind you trying to protect you, You've
got all these trained activists behind you. Is it any
wonder there at hair trigger alert, a tragy was going
to happen, and you in courage date and you ought
to feel damn guilty about it.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
You go, boy, he said, you disgusted me good and
Keith Ellison had no answer for that.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Today.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I'm surprised, you know, at that point, at some point there,
I was expecting to hear him interrupt them, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
But you didn't.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
He go to He got to lay it all out
and it's pretty accurate and uh and and yeah, I
don't think that attorney general has much defense, even though
that doesn't stop them from trying to create one.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
But no, it was good.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's good to hear that he was taking the task
I'm sure that wasn't the beginning and end of it.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
No, it went on for hours today. Here's what here's
what I think irritates people.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Greg. You see all this performance.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You see these lawmakers getting upset at these officials who
know better, who allowed certain things in this country to happen.
But then what do we get? We get performative testimony,
we get sound bites, we get clicks, we get nothing
being done now. And that's what discussed the American people.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, and I and I don't blame the American people.
We do want to see we do want to see
something happen, something come of all this, and we don't.
We don't typically see it. We just see a lot
of discussion. It will, it'll dominate the the news cycles
for a day or so, and then it just seems
to go into the background again.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, I know you're a big fan of apes and gorillas. Why,
I don't know, but you are.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Ill marilla watching it.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So I this before, when two gorillas fight, when they're
about to fight, they throw dust in the air.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
They throw dust.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know if they're trying to confuse each other
or what. So this is nothing but gorilla dust because
nothing's going to be.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Done with this.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's a good analogy, I think. Sadly, I don't it's sad,
but I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, nothing's going to be done. So we have got
a lot to get to today. A big announcement by
the President today concerning the environment. We'll talk about that more.
On the trucking issue, we talked a lot about that yesterday.
I had a lot of calls on trucking. We'll get
to that Cender. Mike Lee will also join us. So
we've got a great show coming your way this afternoon. Now,
A big announcement today, I mean the President, along with

(05:36):
Lee Zelden, the administrator of the EPA, just took a
big sledgehammer greg to I think Obama introduced many years ago,
I think back in two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine, called the Endangerment Finding, and what it does
is well, it's a mess and it's caused all kinds
of problems in this country, caused industry hundreds of thousands,

(05:57):
if not millions of dollars. And joining us on our
new Michael line to talk about that is Jason Isaac.
Jason is the CEO of the American Energy Institute. Jason,
how are you, and welcome to the Roden greg Show.
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Jason, Hey, it's great to be on. Thanks for having me.
It is a great, great day, So happy end of
the engagement. Finding if you celebrate I live a.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
High carbon lifestyle.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
I think the rest of the world should too, and
now we can celebrate it.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, you're my kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I always talked about expanding my carbon foot It's a goal.
I idle my car before I get into it, whether
it's cold or hot, I do it every time.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Jason, what exactly did the president do today and why
is it so important?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Well, they have a legal argument that in two thousand
and nine, the Obama administration under Administrator Lisa Jackson, who
then went to work for Apple and who said our
aim is to permanently eliminate carbon from the atmosphere in
an Apple commercial, that would end life on Earth. As
we know, that's how misguided and misdirected she was at

(06:57):
the EPA. But they put in this rule. They couldn't
get it to through Congress, so they couldn't pass an
Act of Congress. But they expanded the Clean Air Acts
to regulate greenhouse gases, not pollution, but greenhouse gas emissions,
you know, those things that are necessary for life on Earth.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
And it initially.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Applied to automobiles, these mobile sources of emissions, and it
allowed them to start to put in things like the corporate.

Speaker 9 (07:22):
Average fuel economy.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Greenhouse gas reporting requirements and really drive up the stake
of the cost of automobiles. But this was the foundation
for the ev mandate. Everything stood back on top of
this endangerment finding saying that CO two, you know this
gas again necessary for life on earth, that they trace

(07:44):
gas in our atmosphere, that it's a danger to human
health and the environment.

Speaker 9 (07:48):
Neither could be true, and it could be further.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
From the truth. And so they're there today announcing the recision.
They're rescinding the endangerment finding as it applies to mobile sources.
Is going to be great for the automobile manufacturing economy
in this country. It'll be great for consumers that want
to buy more affordable vehicles. So I'm really excited for
this to move forward and get the government off of

(08:13):
our backs.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know, Jason, the way you describe it it is,
it's like Liberation Day and whole new level. But given
that it took an executive order to create it under
Obama and one I'm assuming by Trump to get rid
of it. Maybe I'm spoiled with how fast he works,
But why wasn't this done on the first term and
why did it take a year into the second term
to do this.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
This sounds like a one. This would have been on
the to do list pretty quick.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yeah, that's why I think his second term is so
much stronger than the first. There were some people that
were in the first administration that didn't want him to
get out of the Paris Climate Accords, which he told
people and made promises on the campaign trail, and so
he had people that are really working against him, the
President Trump against him in the first administration, and to
this administration on day once in an executive order to

(08:57):
the EPA to start to look at what it would
take to repeal and get rid of the endangerment finding period.
So they're starting out with the first one that was
put in place, and that's for mobile sources. That you
get rid of this, that'll lay the foundation to get
rid of it for stationary sources, which is the reason
why we haven't added new coal fired power electric generation
in this country in years, because in order to do it,

(09:19):
you have to have all this emission control technology. They
already have pollution control technology. We're already world leaders in
clean air in this country. We're reducing pollution that was
originally regulated under the Clean Air Act, and what it
was intended to do. We've reduced that nearly eighty percent
over the last five decades, and now you can't build it.
So it's a movement to get The next step would

(09:40):
be to get rid of the endangerment.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
Finding for stationary sources.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
That'll help us produce more oil and gas in this
country that we do more responsible anywhere else on the planet,
and it'll help us to build more coal fired electric
generation in this country, which we desperately.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Need, Jason.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
For the average American consumer, what will they notice right
away as a result of this elimination of the endangerment finding.
What are some of the things they'll notice right away?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Jason?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
The cars will be more affordable. I did some research.
We published it based on twenty twenty three model sales
for electric vehicles, and electric vehicles were receiving subsidies of
nearly ninety five thousand dollars per EV sold in twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 9 (10:19):
The vast majority of those.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Subsidies were coming from corporate average fuel economy credits that
were their being sold to companies like Ford and GM
because they can't meet the federal government's requirements, so they
were having to buy these fake credits from Tesla and
Riva and other electric vehicle makers that were getting this
crazy multiplier saying their vehicles were getting over seven hundred

(10:42):
miles per gallon, they were getting credit for that, and
so that was resulting in a cost of just the
corporate average fuel economy credits were resulting in an uptick
in cars that running gas or diesel twenty two hundred
dollars per car. There's other greenhouse gas trading credits and
gimmicks in there. It was over twenty four hundred dollars

(11:02):
for every gas and diesel vehicle sold in twenty twenty
three to pay for wealthy individuals to drive fancy electric
cars otherwise.

Speaker 9 (11:10):
Known as evs.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
So it seems like it's a herculean effort to actually
unwind or undo what the Obama administration created with this
Endangerment Act.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
How what's its staying power?

Speaker 4 (11:22):
In other words, when this Trump administration is over do
do we retain this? Do we keep it? If it
takes us long to undo? Can we depend on this
going forward to stay the way it is the way it's.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Going right now?

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, there's going to be legal challenges. I mean, the
Climate colt is already losing their minds. It's their heads
are exploding. It's unfortunately their bodies are actually going to
increase emissions because they're dead and decaying. I mean, you
know they're going to challenge it. They're going to burn
a lot of money and a lot of paper in
challenging the endangerment finding. And hopefully what happens is this

(11:56):
goes right to the Supreme Court and you overturn Mass
versus E which is the one that gave the authority
to the Obama administration to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Shortly thereafter,
you had West Virginia versus EPA at the Supreme Court
and that was recently overturned, saying that bureaucrats the administration,

(12:17):
these agencies like the Department of Energy, the EPA, they
can't put rules in place that change law. They have
to have explicit direction.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
From Congress, and Congress.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Never gave the EPA or the Department of Energy or
entered any agency explicit authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
They gave them explicit authority to regulate the six criteria pllutants.
Those are the ones that we've reduced over eight are
nearly eighty percent. So this will get challenged, Hopefully we'll
go to Supreme Court, will overturn mass versus EPA. Then

(12:51):
you start to unwind the entire foundation that the climate
movement stands on, and that's this cult like fascination with decarbonization.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Now, we got a long way to go with us
and step in the right direction, that's for sure. Jason, Jason,
thanks for joining us tonight and enjoy the rest of
the day.

Speaker 9 (13:07):
Great to be on. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Keep living a high carbon lifestyle, all.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Right, Jason Isaac He is CEO of the American Energy Institute,
talking about the announcement concerning climate change and the Trump
administration today. We've got a whole lot more to get
to as we continue our live broadcast from Minky Couture
here in Orham on The Roden Gregg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine KNRS.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yesterday's discussion about CDL licenses and who's driving behind the
wheel and what the law says and all those things.
Probably one of the most robust discussions we've had with
our audience in a long time. And when our phone
lines were full, we saw the talkback live, you know,
comments come. But I had someone reach out on the
export They say, and they heard me, you know, talking

(13:51):
about the Hasbat trucker, where I was amazed that they
were doing that, and I thought, I don't know anything
growing out of their head after they'd do that, and
so he wanted to clarify to me, and I just
want to share it here on the show. That again
another smart listener saying that as far as heart has
matt for transport, commercial transportation and could include coal, any gas,

(14:11):
including oxygen, helium, adhesives and glues, fire extinguishers, and batteries,
not just spent fuel rods, hues, like I thought, so
good clarification.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well, we appreciate that. Well.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Trucking, we saw this article the other day in the
New York Post written about the fact that trucking has
in fact become a hot spot for illegal labor with
lethal results, and the person who wrote that is joining
us on our newsmaker line right now. His name is
Adam Coleman. He is founder of Wrong Speak Publishing. We've
had Adam on the show before. Adam, how are you

(14:42):
welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 10 (14:46):
Thank you for having me back on.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Adam, talk about what you've some of your thoughts on
what's taking place in the trucking industry. It is so
vital to this country, but in some respects it has
also become dangerous for people out on the highways. What
do you see going on, Adam.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
I mean, it's a big answer to get, but basically,
we have a black market that is now existing within
the trucking industry, and I think now that's not entirely accurate.
It's been going on for years. I think many truckers
have been trying to sound the alarm and no one's
been making that connection. We had four years of Biden
who pretended that everything was fine at the border, but

(15:24):
that was part of fueling the trucking industry as well.
The non domicile CDLs just went rampant. No one talks
about how systematic it is, so it's not by accident.
Some guy ends up behind the wheel of a truck
like there's an entire system at play that promotes it,

(15:46):
that wants it, and they turn a blind eye to it.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So, Adam, that's what I was gonna ask about the
blind eye, because we had a really really good discussion
on the program asking some of our listeners are long
haul truckers. A lot have CDL licenses, and we heard
this dichotomy between all the regulations and all the requirements
needed to be able to have a CDL license and
be able to drive. But then we heard a lot
of real life experiences and observations where people that clearly

(16:11):
didn't know the language and know English, they didn't understand English,
and they would not have qualified even their medical examination
wouldn't have passed. That are still driving out on the road.
So how does that blind eye take what sounds like
a very regulated profession and allow so much abuse.

Speaker 10 (16:28):
Well, I mean, it's just like anything else, laws only
matter if there's enforcement behind it, and if you have
people who are here illegally, that means their entire existence
is about skating the law. So it doesn't matter if
if they're working for a carrier that doesn't care that
they have a legitimate CDL or not or that they
can speak or English or not, like, it doesn't matter

(16:50):
if they get pulled over on the side of the road.
They're just taking off the road for a day. But
they can easily go on TikTok or Facebook and find
another job. That carrier they can get shut down. In
the article, I mentioned a carrier that hired a legal
immigrant to drive a truck that killed this man who
happened to be a trucker as well, But he was

(17:11):
shut down. He was inactive for about a year, so
it didn't matter. He was still taking loads. He still
I guess he still had insurance. And so they're going
to keep doing these things. And even if you do
shut them down, often they'll just start another company tomorrow
and be back on the road.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Wow, Adam, do you say Sean Duffy has really targeted,
you know, zeroed in on this along with some states
in the Line country. I'm thinking about Florida. Do you
see an effort being made to try and crack down
on this as much as they can.

Speaker 8 (17:44):
I do.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
And actually Sean Duffy had posted my article so recognizing
that there was a massive issue that's at hand. Here's
the problem. The problem is that they can make more
regulations and more laws, and they can pull over people.
But these things only work in a high trust industry

(18:05):
and a high trust society where we respect the laws.
When you have people who don't care about the laws
and are always looking for loopholes, you know, taking them
off the road for a day, or even shutting them
down their businesses, it doesn't matter because there's no teeth
behind the enforcement. The only thing and just talking to
a trucker, he was saying, basically, the only thing that

(18:25):
really works is just they impound the trucks. That's the
only real way that that has some real effect. You're
going to have to start impounding trucks or arresting people
and they'll get the hints that you can't do this anymore.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
My question is is it these are there's federal laws
around all of this, there's interstate commerce that happens in
terms of the trucks crossing state lines. Do you think
that those federal laws should be buttressed by states that
have specific laws like Florida has just passed of English.
You have to know English to be a you know,
to get a CEO. Does it help to have states also,
so look at regulating this commercial driver's license as well.

Speaker 10 (19:06):
I don't know, you know, that's a little bit beyond
my scope.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
But what I would say is this.

Speaker 10 (19:12):
You know, for us, it's normal for us to talk
about what laws and what enforcement we can put into
play because we are legal citizens of this country, right,
so that the laws greatly affect us. When you're not
here legally, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're
drunk driving you kill somebody. Well, you know you have
leftists who want to keep you from being deported. You'll

(19:34):
get free lawyers to defend you, right, so you get
to escape the law constantly if you're here illegally, So
we can make up more laws and more regulations. You
know who that's going to hurt, the people who are
actually following the law. So it is a highly regulated industry.
But the problem isn't the truckers who are following the
rules an American decision. Who is going to follow those

(19:56):
rules because there's repercussions to their life here who are
just here, whether it's just to collect a check or
to just live and live on undergrounds, these things don't
really matter to them. And one quick thing we have
to also recognize We shouldn't put all the blame onto
the drivers themselves. Many of them are being trafficked here.

(20:19):
They come here under false pretenses. Some of them have
their families held hostage, you know. So there the eyres
should really be and the people who are enabling it
and profiting off of it.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Adam, great that you were able to see your article
being picked up by Sean Duffy. Thanks for joining us tonight.
We appreciate it. Thank you, all right, Adam Coleman. He
is the founder of wrong Speak Publishing, talking about trucking
becoming a hotspot for illegal labor. There are now two
annoying nwsomes, you know. First of all, there's Governor Newsom, yes, okay.

(20:54):
Then his wife Jennifer. Now, there was a news conference
yesterday in which she spoke. She spoke about supporting planned parenthood,
and all the questions that were being asked to her
husband had nothing to do with planned parenthood, so she
got a little annoyed with them. There were reporters there
listen to what she had to say. Play that if
you would, he rate.

Speaker 11 (21:13):
We just find it incredulous that we have planned parenthood
here and women are fifty one percent of the population
and majority of the questions, all of these questions have
really been about other issues. So it's just passing. You
have this incredible women's coppice and all these allies, and
you're not asking about it, and this happens over and
over and over and over again. You wonder why we

(21:34):
have such a horrific war on women in this country
and that these guys are getting away with it because
you don't seem to care. So I just offer that
with love. But these are You have incredible women in
this room and you have these allies. Ask about what
we're here for today, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So she doesn't get it, she doesn't get ask them
about all this great They don't want to ask those questions.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
They want to talk to your courting husband.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
So it just shows that it's not front of mine.
You can try to, you can try to jum up
an issue or want it to be an issue, but
if they're not asking questions, I think it's a you problem,
not a day problem.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's the way it works.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
So we now have two annoying nwsoms out there, Gavin
and his wife Jennifer.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
And you got look, you gotta be pretty bad if
you can't get them to ask questions about what you're
doing there, because our problem with our international media in
the Olympics right now is they're asking totally unrelated questions
from the Olympics. I just want to ask about Trump.
They're planned parent are there and no one cares at all.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
They're just asking something else.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
They just want to ask something. Oh, of all the
mediums out.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
There that we have in this world today, yes, Internet, television, radio, newspapers,
If there are anything anymore?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Why heart heart? What is the most trusted.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I probably probably had a news sight on online that
you trust, like a bright bartering what.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
New study says radio remains America's most trusted.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Media, So you should have known that we're in this business.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
But I was not all radio.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
All radio.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So you trust your local rock station, Yeah, yours with
great music. Like if you said, do that is the
Rod and Greg Show the most trusted program on any media?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I would say.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
About that, hands down, because people we tell the truth,
truth bombs.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's who we drive.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, but I would believe that, but not radio generally.
But yeah, that's good news.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Seventy nine percent of the people asks say radio is
the most trusted seventy seven newspapers, UH, television sixty eight percent,
magazine sixty eight percent, and social media twenty eight percent.
Do not believe anything you see.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
I tell you, since a I got as good as
it is, there's nothing you can see on social media
where you're really sure what you're seeing real or not.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, if you see anything, especially with AI anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I know the AI has you as it. It's all.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
They've even ruined my gorilla videos. Like I used to
love to watch gorilla videos. Yeah, they've ruined them because
they've made them. They're all fake.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I used to see the funniest gorilla videos.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Now I see them beating up lions and stuff, and
I'm like, wait a minute, this is not real.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
And they ruined They've ruined my videos. They really have.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Ruined yourself by watching videos of gorilla.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I like them, and then like, you know, the algorithms
know what I like.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
So yeah, they're throwing me all these great gorilla videos,
but you're not true. But now they're not true, so
I don't watch them anymore. Wow, it ruined them, well,
absolutely ruined.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
America's most trusted medium happened to speed rating show all right,
ute sender Mike Lee will join us.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
We'll get an update on where the Save Act stands,
and we'll get some of your thoughts on that. That's
all coming up our number two live from Minky Couture
in Orum. All right, let's talk about uh utahs under
Mike Lee. Uh the Senator is working very very hard
uh on the Save Act. This is an important deck.
It's a simple act. Greg just showed that you're an
American citizens to vote. I mean, how difficult can that be?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
If you again, there's there's some say exceptions as we've
learned on the on the real ID, but for anyone,
for most people, if you have a valid driver's license nowadays,
you had to you had to show these areas of
passport a burst to get to get your driver's license.
That real ID is your proof of citizenship. So anyway,
I think there are ways to do it. And I
see so many countries and for so many other reasons,

(25:24):
we as Americans have to produce ID just to live life.
That's saying that you don't do it for voting is
something suspect.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
Well.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Utaw Senator Mike Lee has been the driving force behind this.
He's close to the finish line. Had a chance to
talk to him earlier today about where this all stands,
and I asked him first of all to give us
an update on where the Save Act is.

Speaker 13 (25:45):
Very latest is that it passed through the House Representatives
last night and it's on its way over to the
Senate in the form of what's called a message. It
just makes it a little bit easier for us to
process it when we turn to that bill. I spoke
to the President last night immediately after it passed the
House of Representatives. He is eager, eagerly and enthusiastically cheering

(26:07):
it on, and we look forward to getting it passed.
I've had conversations with Majority Leader of phone since then
late last night, and I'm not sure the exact timing yet,
but we're going to take it up in the Senate.

Speaker 8 (26:20):
I'm encouraging my.

Speaker 13 (26:22):
Colleagues to have it brought forward the week after next
perhaps right after the President's.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
State of the Union address.

Speaker 13 (26:30):
There's a lot that remains undecided about the exact timing,
but this is a bill that needs our serious consideration
and it needs to pass.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I see a story you mentioned you spoke with a
Majority Leader thun last night there is a story out
there that he has signed on as a co sponsor.
Is that true and why is that so important?

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Yes, he's a co sponsor.

Speaker 13 (26:56):
He had sponsored the Original State Act when we entered
to two years ago, and I think just hadn't gotten
around at doing it this time. But agreed last night
in my conversation with him to join on as a
co sponsor with the Save America Act. And so that's
a that's a big deal. The story is accurate, and

(27:17):
it's wonderful to have the support and the coast sponsorship
of the Senate majority leader. His leadership is going to
be indispensable toward getting this passed.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Sender, you mentioned the timing of this. Why is the
timing so critical? What are you looking for? An opening?
What exactly does the when you say timing, what exactly
does that mean?

Speaker 13 (27:35):
All right, So this is going to require some effort
on the part of the Senate.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
I think the best way to pass this.

Speaker 13 (27:42):
Given that we have yet to acquire Democrats support for it. Now,
Democrat voters throughout the country do support it. This polls
at about eighty to twenty eighty percent four and twenty
against nationwide, and that cuts fairly consistently across all Democrats regionally, rationally,
the gender lines, everything else, about three out of four

(28:06):
or four out of five Americans support this, regardless of
what their political ideology might be. Notwithstanding that fact, we
have yet to get any Democrats in the Senate come
out publicly in support of it. You've got Senator John
Fetterman from Pennsylvania Democrat indicating the other day he doesn't
see anything unfair about requiring voter ID, but he has

(28:28):
yet to sign up on this, and even if he were,
we wouldn't be anywhere close.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
To sixty votes at least at this point.

Speaker 13 (28:34):
And so in that circumstance, I think it's important to put.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
It on the Senate floor.

Speaker 13 (28:38):
And rather than trying to achieve what's called cloture, which
is a way of forcing debate to a close, it
takes three fits of the Senate or sixty votes to
do that, we should stick it on the floor and
allow those members who want to filibuster it the opportunity
to speak about it, to debate it, to articulate what
concerns they've got as they do. So, it'll be interesting

(29:02):
to see who actually shows up to speak against it,
because so far, they're oh for about one hundred and
fifty in their efforts to disparage this thing. And I've
never seen anything quite like this rod not only in
the fact that it's a Republican bill, it's overwhelmingly supported
by Americans of every background, including people who normally don't
vote with this, and also the Democrats in the Senate so.

Speaker 8 (29:25):
Far haven't supported it at all.

Speaker 13 (29:27):
But every time the Democrats try to attack it, it
backfires and it reinvigorates support. So, for example, when Chuck
Schumer started talking a week or two ago about this
being a Jim Crow policy, that backfired famously, and it
only animated support for the bill every time somebody wages
one of these ridiculous attacks.

Speaker 8 (29:47):
You know.

Speaker 13 (29:47):
And one of the many reasons why that was ridiculous.
So if you've got Black Americans who support this, as
seventy six percent of Black Americans voters support this effort,
and so to call it.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
Jim Crow is insane.

Speaker 13 (29:59):
It also is rebutted by, among other things, that if
you deem voter ID having to show identification as a
Jim Crow of policy, one of many institutions you can
point to that fits that classification is the Democratic National Convention.
You can't get inside without a photo ID. You can't

(30:19):
board a plan, you can't pick up your prescriptions, you
can't go to the doctor, you can't go to the
bank and withdraw money. You can't do just about anything
without an ID. Why should voting being a different, especially
when failure to require documentation, some sort of proof that
you are who you say you are, will invariably result
in the destabilization of our elections and diminish the credibility

(30:43):
of our elections.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Are you surprised, sinder Lee that the Democrats are throwing
almost everything but the kitchen sink at this thing. I mean,
you mentioned the black vote, you mentioned Jim Crow. There
are other stories out there that I saw that twenty
one million Americans wouldn't be able to vote under this
Another story out there about married women and wouldn't be
able to vote. I mean, they have thrown just about
everything at this bill. Does that surprise you at all?

(31:05):
What is this all about? In your opinion?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Is that power?

Speaker 9 (31:08):
You know what?

Speaker 13 (31:09):
It does surprise me a little bit for one simple reason.
None of these accusations hold any water. They're all lacking
in credibility, and they look foolish when they say them.
So something very curious is happening here. Now the cynic
might look at this and say, why are you so
opposed to people having to demonstrate that they are who

(31:31):
they say they are and their.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
Eligibility to vote.

Speaker 13 (31:34):
What it is it that you've got in mind? And
could that have anything to do with the fact that
between ten and fifteen million Americans came into this country
illegally between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty five alone,
that we've got an estimated I don't know the thirty
thirty one thirty two million non citizens present in this country.
The fact that we've got legislation, the National Voter Registration

(31:56):
Act and acted in nineteen ninety three, that makes it
easy for people to register to vote while applying for
a driver's license. Well, a couple of decades later, the
Supreme Court interpreted that wrongly in my view, but conclusively
interpreted it to say that if you register to vote
under the NBRA, a state can't ask for any kind
of documentation as to citizenship, even if they believe that

(32:19):
it's lacking.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
In some instances.

Speaker 13 (32:21):
So all those things combined, coupled with the fact that
nearly every state now issues driver's licenses to non citizens.
Nineteen states openly issue driver's licenses even to known illegal immigrants,
and so all those things combined to make this an
obvious solution. So why would someone oppose that, Well, I

(32:44):
think everyone can fill into blanks. Perhaps they are happy
with the status quo because perhaps they believe they can
benefit from the status quo. Meanwhile, every one of their
arguments against it is feeling. The argument that married women
having changed their name would be disenfranchised by this absolutely absurd.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
There is language in this bill that makes.

Speaker 13 (33:04):
It really really easy for anyone who's gone through a
name change, either as a result of marriage or adoption
or otherwise, to do this.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
It's a very simple thing.

Speaker 13 (33:14):
The proof of citizenship is even easier than what every
American is already required to do and has been required
to do for decades. Every single time they start a
new job, you get to fill out an I nine form,
and the I nine form has some rigid documentation requirements
to show that you're.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
A US citizen.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
This is easier to comply with than that. And then
they go back to the Jim crow thing. Well, if
this is Jim Crove and so are the labor union conventions,
the Grammys, the Oscars, the Emmys, banks, pharmacies, hospitals, airports, gunshops, casinos, schools,
social security offices, DMBs, casinos, every employer, and anyone who

(33:55):
distributes a hunting or a fishing license. All of these
things require ID to not require them. Here is silly
to argue that this is.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Toder.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Mike Lee joining us on our news Maker line a
little bit earlier today talking about the UH the UH
Save Act and UH, it really comes down to John Thune.
He's got to make the call, got to do it.
He's got to have the courage to do.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
When they were passing those budget bills, he was saying,
it's a fact, we're gonna get this on the floor.
We'll do the we'll do the voice pilibuster.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
We'll the zombie one and uh.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
But then when it passed he started to hedge on
that a little bit. So I hope he's I hope
he's has resolved himself to get this on the floor.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think he'll take a little bit of pressure from
one Donald J.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Trump well, and I think he knows, I think knows
how to apply that. I think I think he's got
a skill set there.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah he does. We are broadcasting live from Making Go
Tour here in Arum. Were usually in light him, but
they invite us to come to what this is?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I like this, you know what.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think we should come here more often. I think
that it's because the other store is near your home.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
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Speaker 1 (34:59):
You're gonna you south, You're like ten minutes away. Yeah,
you know, I take a day and.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I don't know if he knows, but we got a
lot of great listeners. We do live around here, so
I think from now on we do we do we
abandon our place.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
You know. I have a question on.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
The the the Safe Act, right, Yeah, why are in
your opinion, why are people so afraid of it?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Doesn't it simply come down they're afraid to lose power?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, we say people.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
We mean the Democrats in Congress, because the Americans, this
is an eighty twenty issue. And this is even pulling
well over fifty percent even amongst Democrats. So there is
no one in America that really opposes presenting an ID
to vote.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
In fact, it's it's intuitive. Many countries do it. We
do it.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Every day as Americans for a myriad of reasons that
the people that don't want it are the Democrats and
you and you. It begs the question why, and I
can only I can only think of one reason why
they don't want legitimate id to vote, and that is
because they want to cheat. Yeah, I don't see any
other reason why.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, the Democratic Party, Greg is you and I I've
discussed over the couple of years we've been together. They
have gone so far left? Yes, I mean rate.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
There's a bite I.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Had an audio sound bite I had in there with
Harry Enton from CNN. How far left has the Democratic
Party gone? Well, list of the research which is now
showing where liberals in the Democratic Party stand today, play
that if you would rate, this sort.

Speaker 14 (36:22):
Of gives the game away here. Democrats who identify is
very liberal a conservative? You know, there used to be
a lot of conservative Democrats. Right back in nineteen ninety nine,
twenty six percent of Democrats self identified as conservative.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
Just five percent said that they were very liberal.

Speaker 14 (36:36):
It was a smidge, and a smidge is mentioned now
that far left has gained considerably empowered.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Look at this.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
Now we're talking about a fifth of Democrats twenty one
percent say they're very liberal. That conservative part of the
Democratic Party Audios amigos could buy just eight percent. And
when you combine the twenty one percent who are very
liberal with those who say that they're somewhat liberal, we're
talking about three and five Democrats who identify as either
somewhat or very liberal with the very liberals, a much

(37:03):
larger portion of the party. The far left, which used
to just be a smitioned within the Democratic Party, has
gained considerable powers.

Speaker 9 (37:09):
You're saw on New Jersey's eleventh dish.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It used to be about five percent greg of the
Democratic Party would claim they were very liberal. Today that
number is closer to twenty one to twenty five percent today.
And this is the part of the party that really
controls the party anymore, because I guess you would call
them the traditional Democrats are a freight.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
If they speak out, they'll get primary.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
And let me just let's just be realistic about that.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
If you had the furthest right of center base of
the Republican Party as the largest portion of the party,
you'd have the same problem in the opposite you have,
but you'd have an everyday American problem that the liberals
are facing right now. So this is why the liberals
need to get people to vote that aren't allowed to vote.
This is why they don't want id this is why
they opened the borders and let everyone in. They with

(37:55):
that liberal liberal base making up so much of their party,
the norm see everyday Americans, they don't identify with it,
and they fundamentally will not have the numbers and elections
come in the future unless they go get new voters.
And that is what this is all about. It's why
they create these narratives that say that enforcing federal immigration
laws is inhumane and it's wrong. It's because that effort

(38:17):
during the Biden administration was their power preservation campaign. We'll
just open the borders and then get these people not
an in first and then voting second.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
This is such an eighty twenty issue and that's why
Mike Lee is pushing it so hard. When we come back,
we want to get some of your phone calls on
this Save Act because the president it's so appropriately named
Greg Save America. And that's exactly what this bill. Let
people who are Americans decide the fate of this country.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And that's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
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Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well more coming up as we continue with our live
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Speaker 3 (39:06):
What?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
This could drive you nuts? I thought, talking to Claire,
yet we'll get.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
To I thought she's here. I thought she'll wait.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay, she's a very patient person. She listens to your
you're blad.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I thought that we were here to walk them through it. Now,
but what do you got?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Are you ready for this? I am?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
According to Axios, you know Axios, the news feed very liberals.
Apparently people are more impressed with the first year of
Joe Biden than they are with Donald Trump in.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
His that's that's that's Axio's fake news.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Remember they're the ones that had the ad that said
urban city violence goes down despite Trump's criticism. It's like, well,
I think maybe his focus on public safety is what
helped you go down.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But yeah, well, according to the Now, they're looking at
three surveys. Okay, they put them all together and they
say President Trump has become so politically toxic. I love
that term that voters now say Joe Biden, whose unpopularity
forced him into retirement, did a better job as president.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, I think we had an inflationary about nine percent
during that first year of of his term. So that
nine percent inflation must have been just warming people's hearts
compared to now.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Not wow, not true.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
According to Mark Penn's Harvest survey, fifty one percent of
registered voters say Trump is doing a worst job than
Joe Biden in his first year.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Well, people, people pulled Don Lemon and asked, and he
said the same thing. So, yeah, you know the Don
Lemon poll. Don Lemon is oh and speaking popular.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
You've heard of Gallup, Yes, yeah, Gallup's been doing this forever, right, Yes,
they're no longer going to do presidential polling.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Why you know they just announced that today. You know
it's actually been hit and miss. The polls have never
really shown what the results have been. That in sixteen
they were certainly off by a lot. Twenty again, they
were not They weren't accurate in twenty for a little better,
but really they it has been difficult to pull the
presidential elections.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I mean, how many people have a landline? Yeah, they
don't give out their cell phone numbers, So how do
you find out I mean man on the street.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Well now, and they're trying to.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Do it through social you know, maybe social media platforms.
But I do think I think that is a difficult
thing to do now, to try and predict that.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I remember years ago, and I'll never forget this. Rush
used to say the public opinion polls used to reflect
public opinion. Now they're designed to sway publicly.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
They are if you look at the crosstabs or the
way the questions are asked. So if you look at
the questions asked and look at the results, or you
look at the cross tabs of how they've waited when
they get all the respondents, they're weighing more Democrats because
they say, well, they turn out to vote more than Republicans,
and some of their assumptions are not very solid. So yeah,
I think they are meant to drive.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
And as you've described them, the only vote only Trump voter.
These are people who don't vote normally, don't get involved
in politics.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
They do when Donald Trump is on there.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah, the Donald Trump enjoys a voter that doesn't like
politics or trust politicians, but his but his personality. They
think that raw personality is authentic and they and they
vote and they support.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
They do, they do.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
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Speaker 2 (42:22):
I can't believe that you lost the race for government.
We have so many people come out parents say they
voted for you.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
I know, it's so nice. It's so nice to hear
that you lost. But sir, I would submit to you
that we have the smartest listening audience in all the land. Yes,
and that just makes me happy when I hear that.

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So you know.

Speaker 9 (42:40):
You are one authentic loser.

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Yeah, but you know, I just want to I just
want to point to Twenty twenty was a very strange
year with COVID.

Speaker 8 (42:51):
I was.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I was sequestered into my home. It's like a bad
James Bond movie.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
That whole year. It was just a very different kind
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Speaker 2 (42:57):
So you're you're saying, if you would have been a
to get out.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Of the outside, Yeah, I mean I got to meet
some people's a bit. Yeah, it was tough with your person.
We didn't have caucuses that year, we didn't have a
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I got I got it, I got it.

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Sounds like I'm making excuses now. I hate that.

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I'm not making you know what I have to.

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I hate to say this. Respect you for doing that.
You've never made excuses that you've lost in your life.

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I bought I lost two three three, No, sir, two.

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Speaker 1 (43:32):
I expect you because you never said they cheated me.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
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Speaker 1 (43:36):
I'm not I'm not taking the vote, and you've you've
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Speaker 1 (43:41):
And you've had to take it a few times.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
You know, a couple of times.

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Speaker 4 (43:52):
No, that is a that again fake news. You can't
produce one communication where you've been doing.

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I could find one if you.

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That's it. That's a that's the state legislative race.

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Yes, all right, that's coming up.

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We'll talk about the midterms all coming away and our
number three of the Rodd and Greg Show live from
Niki Kotuur, Aaron Layton stay with us. Well, we've got
a lot to get to a little bit later on
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It is going to be crucial that the economy is
humming right along when we get to the midterm elections, which,

(45:57):
by the way, gregor now what nine months away? I
think we're just nine months away from the midterms. We
kind of crazy, kind of crazy, and everything the president
is trying to do. I think it's fair to say
hinge on what happens in the midterms. Will the Republicans
be able to control the Senate keep control of the House.
It's a toss up right now, and that's why we
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(46:17):
have him on. His name is Charles Lipson. He's an author,
a contributor to The Spectator, joining us now on our
newsmaker line. Charles, how are you welcome back to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (46:27):
It's great to be both with both of you.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
You know, it seems like every election cycle that comes around, Charles,
we say this is the most important election in American history.
And I'm looking at this one coming up in the midterm,
and I could say that again, this is going to
be one of the most important elections in American history.

Speaker 15 (46:46):
Would you agree I'm going to take I'm going to
take the other side of that one.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 15 (46:54):
I think that the next really big election will be
the presidential election.

Speaker 12 (46:58):
Let me tell you why.

Speaker 15 (47:01):
Even if the Democrats come sweeping in, what will they get.
They will almost certainly get the House. They're certainly in
good shape there. Even if they get the Senate, they
won't be able to pass any legislation. What they'll be
able to do is obstruct President Trump. That would be

(47:22):
a very bad thing, I think for the country, but
I don't think it's disastrous. However, the next election puts
both the Congress and the Presidency on the ballot, and
that's important because I think we now see something we
haven't seen in ages in America and politics, which is

(47:46):
really deep splits in the way that the two parties want.

Speaker 12 (47:50):
To take the country.

Speaker 15 (47:52):
I think that the Democratic Party now looks increasingly like
a European Social Democratic Party.

Speaker 12 (47:59):
A social party.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
So so that that is a very interesting take, and
I can't argue your logic. It sounds sound. I think
the next presidential election is the big bell weather. But
let me ask you this. We were getting positive signs
about our economy. We got great job reports that came
in yesterday. There's a hope that we will start to
see some of the work and the big beautiful bill

(48:22):
that President Trump signed into law, that we'll see the
economic turnaround and families will finally feel it. I know
that in the huge home we're not we're not feeling
at the grocery store quite yet, but we see signs
that we're seeing a recovery. Do you think that recovery
will arrive in time for the midterms. Do you think
that there's a way for Republicans to buck the trend
that the party out of power wins in the midterms.

(48:44):
Is there something good on the horizon, even potentially for
the Republicans in the midterms.

Speaker 15 (48:49):
Well, I think the first thing is exactly what you said.
If the economy continues to recover in the way that
it has and if ordinary people feel it, I want
to say something, then that's a really good sign for
the Republicans. Obviously, but the party out of power almost

(49:10):
always wins the midterms, and not always, but almost always,
And the reason for that is that it's so much
easier to get people angry to say no than enthused
to say yes. And President Trump, who is himself the
best vote getter for his party, is not on the ballot.

(49:34):
He can go out and make tours, he can go
to Utah, he can go to Illinois. But he can't.
People won't be able to vote for him. But let
me say something about the employment numbers, which I think
is really striking. The things are some the employment numbers

(49:57):
for the private sector are even better than the total numbers,
because what's happening is that government employment is going down
as a percentage of the economy. It's some of the
lowest ever recorded, and it's actually in absolute numbers, some
of the lowest since the nineteen sixties. At the same time,

(50:20):
we're getting private employment that's going up. And that's what
we want. We want our government. We want a government
that's small and efficient. And nobody would ever say that
our government is small and efficient.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Right now, let me ask you this, Charles.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
He is not on the ballot, but he does need
the help of people in Congress and the Senate and
the House to help him get what he wants done.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
How does he.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Convey a message to the people who, you know, the
voters he needs in saying basically, look, I'm not on
the ballot. I understand that, but I need your help
in getting the things done that I want to get done.
I know you want to get done, and I only
get him done if you vote for this person. How
does he convey that message in a simple, understandable form

(51:06):
to the American voter.

Speaker 15 (51:08):
Well, nobody's better at conveying conveying the message. I wouldn't
say that he in an understandable for him. I wouldn't
say simple, and I wouldn't say brief.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Hey, but.

Speaker 12 (51:25):
He's already done one thing that's very important.

Speaker 15 (51:27):
He's raised a ton of money and he's going to
be giving it to candidates.

Speaker 12 (51:33):
But he's not hoarding it for himself.

Speaker 15 (51:37):
He doesn't he's not running again, so he's not going
to be keeping it for himself. When President Obama raised it,
when Kamala Harris raised it, and so forth, they spent
it on their own campaigns and didn't.

Speaker 12 (51:48):
Give it to the people running with them.

Speaker 15 (51:51):
The other thing is he has to go out and
get on the hustings. And when he gets on the hustings,
if he goes to Utah for he will then be
on local TV. He'll he'll dominate the news cycle for
a day, maybe two days when he's there, and he'll
be in effect mayor hugging the candidates he's supporting. So

(52:15):
that's what he's got to do, and he's got to
focus on the issues that people care about. Now. One issue,
and it's a very very big issue, is going to
get between him and that message, and that's he ran.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's interesting that you bring that up. I want to
I want to shift for a second. I know that
the generic ballots on the midterms show that the Democrats
have an advantage, but they don't get to run a
generic ballot, meaning there has to be a name, there
has to be that person, there has to be a
there has to be a platform or a belief and
where the Democrat Party has gone so far to the left,

(52:53):
my question is, well, I understand the precedent of midterms
and I get the generic ballot, they still have to
compel voters to vote for them, do they?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Or is it just that.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Easy that you vote against the Republican nail no matter if.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
It's a cardboard box you're running against.

Speaker 12 (53:09):
You nailed it.

Speaker 15 (53:10):
I'm just thinking, you know, I like to get married,
just not to you to someone specific, you know exactly exactly,
So I think you nailed it exactly. So candidate selection
is a big issue, and I think that what we're
seeing now, if I can go back to a big issue,

(53:33):
we're not seeing the days when the party was so powerful,
like in a city like Chicago, where you had mayor
Daily or somebody and he could pick candidates. Uh, that's
not what happens now. What happens now is you have
to win the primary, and the primary in each party

(53:54):
is dominated by that core voter base, and the core
voter base and party is further to the right, and
the general election the voter base and the other is
much further to the left. And I've been struck by
the Democrats in purple states like Virginia. The new governor

(54:14):
there has moved very hard to the left as soon
as she got into office, and you've seen it all
over the country. So what I think that tells you
is not what the average Virginia voter wants. It tells
you what the average primary voter and the average donor
to the Democratic Party wants.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
You know, you made an interesting observation, Charles. I agree
with you, and I get maybe more of your thoughts
on this, I think, more than any time that I've
seen since I've been walking this earth, is that there
is becoming a clear distinct difference between the two parties
and the people who support them, and that could make
a real difference in this midterm election.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Would you agree?

Speaker 12 (54:57):
I agree.

Speaker 15 (54:59):
We have had parties like when Ronald Reagan ran, he
was able to distinguish himself in a very clear way,
but the other party was kind of center left. It
used to be that the Republicans were sent to right,
the Democrats were center left. Uh, and they could negotiate

(55:20):
in Congress. And part of what you see is now
not only that the parties have moved further apart, but
that it is harder for them to negotiate compromises. That's
why we're going to have another government shut down.

Speaker 12 (55:34):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (55:35):
The Democrats are demanding a list of ten uh. It
sounds like ten commandments.

Speaker 12 (55:41):
That is, they don't want to act off any of them.
And I'm in.

Speaker 15 (55:47):
Favor of the Ten Commandments, but necessarily in favor of
these ten demandments.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Charles, is always your insight the thing. It will be
an interesting midterm election year, Charles, Thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
What a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Thank you, Charles lips and well he knows what he's
talking about. The ten Demandment.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, the ten ten Commandment, like the Ten Commandments. We're
just not into the democratic demands. Yea, yeah, those aren't.
Those aren't WHI.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Aren't going to fly by the way. Don't want we
go along with what they have.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Rumors of me eating dog biscuits are true. I do
enjoy a good milk.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Bone dog business.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I see you do it again.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Don't have it here on remote, but they are in
the studio.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
If you're hungry and we don't have anything to eat
in the studio, which you know, we used to have
food all the time.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I know it's a little slim pickens, slim pickens. So
I have my dog biscuits.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Gotta eat something. I need the nourishment clean. Yeah, that's
what it says in the box.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Doesn't I think so? Yeah, I'm not looking. Uh we didn't.
We haven't talked about this today, but it was announced
this morning. Tom Holman h borders are says we're out
of Minnesota. Yeah, it's the surge is all over.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Apparently the Democrats are declaring victory with that news, but really,
what's happening is you're seeing the cooperation with local law
enforcement and the jails, which is what which is what's
happening in most states where you don't see an operation
like you see in Minnesota, is that they have that
cooperation because those that are criminals and illegal that are
in jails, the best place.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
To go pick them up would be edge of jail.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
So now they are cooperating to that degree, they can
go ahead and reduce their their size and their footprint
in Minnesota, which everyone's happy about.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Has this hurt Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Not at all, not at all.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I think I'm with you. The media wants to say,
you know, he's been damaged by this. His immigration numbers
are down, But I think most of the American people
still believe that people who are in this country illegally
should be out, should they should be removed, and especially
if you've committed a crime.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Tom Holman, this has been his career. He's done this
for his whole life. And if you listen to him,
it's hard to imagine that he's lying when he says
that our mission was to do it was they had
a certain mission, they had it defined. When they started
to see cooperation from the state of Minnesota, and it's
in its county law enforcement, city municipal law enforcement. They
it didn't require the same amount of force, and so

(58:12):
there's an agreement there. You have public servants that are
working together. And I just don't find Tom Homan to
be a liar. I think when he talks about that,
he's being truthful. And by the way that sounds and
is described exactly the way we're seeing it happen here
in Utah and in other states where they are successfully
working with ICE agents to enforce immigration laws.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, targeted, go after the targeted individuals, the baddest of
the bad, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yes, let's go after them.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Let's work with local officials in finding them, tracking them,
and get ready. And I think the number I saw
today was something like four thousand criminals have been rounded
up in Minneapolis within this searge. Pretty amazing.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
If you look at they have great X pages where
they have a national one, but they have the different
offices around the country, and they put those those mugshots
up all the time to show who they are actually apprehending.
And when you read the rap sheet, you're actually grateful
that they're enforcing our immigration, federal immigration laws and getting
these criminals out of our country.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
And you think, what Donald the Porter basically is closed. Finally,
we finally have a secure border, and now he's going
after the illegal criminals in this country. And that's what
the America. That was one of the main pillars of
his campaign and I think he's achieved it and hopefully
people will recognize that come the midterm elections. All right,
another half hour coming your way. Noted well known economist

(59:31):
Steve Moore will join us.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Our good friend.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
He'll be joininga's talking about the economy that's coming up
as we continue with our live broadcast from Minky Cotur.
We're in their arms store today and remember come on
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our next guest, Steve Moore. Steve, of course, one time

(59:53):
a top economic advisor to President Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
He's still office too, there a lot.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
He designed the first tax cut for Donald Trump. Do
you know that I didn't know that when he was
in office in his first term? He now he testified
the other day before Congress talking about the difference between
a red state economy and a blue state economy and
why the red state economies are doing so well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That's pretty easy to figure out.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
When we do our news, we get ready for our
pre show production, I find clips of Stephen Moore. He's
on he's on CNBC, he's on Fox Business, he's on CNN.
I mean he is always out there and so you know,
and I've seen him at the White House presenting different
different economic plans to the President, so you know he's
kind of a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, well he told the great story. It was just
a few months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
We got a call from the President's at Steve and
he goes, yes, mister President, why did you come over
here at about two thirty? Bring some charts show me
why the economy is working? And Steve had to scramble
that all together. That's Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
But you do too, and he calls you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
You go, you know, why would we use a clip
when we know that you know, Steve will dance with
Hugh Brungham. Yeah, and he's been our regular on The
Rodden Greg Show with you before I do you let
me be your wing man he's been a fixture here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Well, he's joining us. Tell on our any our newspaper line. Steve,
welcome back to the show. A lot of good economic
news this week, the jobless numbers, the CPI. Everything's going
in the right direction, isn't this teeth?

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Well, we've had a lot of economic news that have
been great. The Dow fifty thousand was pretty amazing last week,
and now we've got good jobs report with good gains
and private sector employment and reductions in government employment. That's
exactly what we want to see. The government's gotten way
too big in America. It's one of the reasons we
have that two trillion dollar deficit. But we need private

(01:01:39):
sector growth and that's where the prosperity comes from, as
private employer is not government. So I was very happy
to see that. I was happy to see that wages
went up at a healthy pace for American workers in
the month of January, and we also saw more Americans
entering the work force. So very positive report coming on

(01:02:00):
really good numbers, capital expenditures by businesses, so they're investing.
So it's hard to point to anything that's not going right.
I know people are still angry about high prices. But
even there, I think we're headed back to the target
that has set, which is two percent or less, and
I think we're going to get there in the next

(01:02:21):
couple of months.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Well, it's all coming together.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
It's like the a team and you're like Hannibal, you
love it when a plan comes together. Okay, I mean
everything that you said true, everything you said is starting
to happen. You said these jobs are going to come.
We're going to start seeing economic growth out pacing inflation.
We're seeing all those numbers out up. My question is this, Steve,
does one month make a trend? Do you think it's
strong enough one hundred and thirty thousand jobs, but really

(01:02:44):
the private sector jobs that are growing while the public
jobs are shrinking, which is great, Does that look like
a trend to you? And are we to the point
where it's a two point question? Is it a trend?
And then the second one is do they adjust these
numbers down every single month no matter what? So whatever
we saw this month, next month, we're going to see
these numbers adjusted down.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
Well, those are tricky questions. I mean I think that
it's hard to say where we're headed with job growth
because we're seeing a lot of productivity in American businesses
where they're producing more goods and services with fewer workers.
And that's the very definition of productivity. So they may
not need as many workers as we move more towards
robotics and artificial intelligence in the manufacturing process. But look,

(01:03:29):
I think that if you look, if you look at
the reason I brought up, the capital expenditures, the plant,
the equipment, the machinery, the research that's happening, you know,
that's the seed corn of a growing economy because when
you have got companies investing, it does lead to higher
wages and more jobs. So I'm quite bullish right now

(01:03:49):
on the US economy. I know a lot of you
know people. I'm looking at the polling and it shows
that people are still a little bit down, although the
people's opinions have improved a little bit. But I think
that anybody who has a useful skill out there, the
jobs are out there, for sure, There's no question about it.
I mean, we have six and n half million job
openings in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Steve, you want a good laugh. Speaking of polls, I
saw a poll out today that said Americans are happier
with Joe Biden in his first year than Donald Trump
in his first year. That's the poll that will make
you laugh. See, I can't believe that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
It does, Steve Well, So I think people have forgotten
by the way, we had at the end of Biden's
first term or first year in office, we had nine
percent inflation. So that wasn't a very good first year
at all in terms of the health of the US economy.
But people have forgotten. You know, people are angry about
and I've mentioned this before on your show, people are
angry about prices. People like my sister and my wife

(01:04:46):
that do the shopping for their families, and yeah, you
have no idea what things cost. So people are still
angry about that. But they have to realize, you know,
almost all of that increase in prices that have another
Trump is actually decelerted. Now prices are still rising at
a much slower pace than under Biben.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, Steve, one of the I thought the right things
in the report yesterday was the reduction in the federal
workforce is how is is this tied directly to cuts
proposed by Doze or it's just part of what the
president is trying to do. How does Dosee relate to
those cuts that we're seen in the federal workforce.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Well, Trump has offered a lot of early retirement benefits,
which is a pretty sweet deal for these federal employees.
Let's not forget federal employees get paid about thirty percent
more when you include their benefits than a private sector
worker with the same skill set. So it's a sweet job,
you know that you get when you work for the
federal government. You get a lot of days off et cetera,
et cetera, including Monday. I'll be working on Monday, but

(01:05:46):
a lot of federal employees will not because it's President's Day.
So my point is that, yeah, we'd like to see
less of a federal government footprint on the economy. And
under Biden, you guys remember when you report these jobs numbers.

Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
Now look at the.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
Great job one hundred and fifty thousand jobs.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
We go, well, one hundred thousand of them more government.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Jobs as well.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
You know, it takes a private sector like three or
four private sector workers to pay the salary for the
government worker.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
See on your daily newsletter this morning, you said beware
of the green, greed and envy lobby, and that comes
on the heels of mayor mom Donnie saying that he's
going to introduce a tax, I think an income tax
increase for millionaires or some higher net worth residents of
New York City. Yeah. I think you point out that

(01:06:38):
we're hearing this more and more from some of these
leftist cities. Do you think that it goes beyond New
York City and some of these blue cities. Do you
think that this green greed and envy lobby could permeate
across the country at all?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I do you know?

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
I think, espite like I live in the Washingt DC area,
we just elected a new Virginia governor. Abigail Spamburger is
their name, and she is. She campaigned. She was elected
in November of last year. So she campaigned as a moderate,
kind of pro business Bill Clinton Democrat. And the first
thing she did within two weeks of being an office,

(01:07:14):
she's I don't know if you've seen the list, but
every possible thing you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Can think of, she wants to raise tax that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:19):
From dog grooming to you know, when you if you
use uber, you're gonna have to pay your tax on that.
And if you're a dry cleaner, you're gonna have to
pay money for that, and and on and on and on.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
And I can't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I could take the rest of the hour in your
radio show to go through all the list of things
she wants to tax. And the Democrats seem to be
addicted to raising taxes as if that's the solution to
our province. By the way, if you raise tax on
all these things, how's that going to make them more affordable?
I don't quite get the logic of this. But the
other thing is, is mana serious about New York and

(01:07:51):
California already have the highest tax on rich people, and
there's been a stampede of rich people out of their state.
So when you said he's going to raise tax on
millionaires and billionaires, my question is, well, we're which ones
they're gone?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They have left, Steve, You're right, matter of fact, uh Mark,
Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, all that met out whatever it's called nowadays,
He's left California, bought a big new home in Florida's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I don't think they should be allowed to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
If if they went and vote all those characters, and
they should, they should have to stick with the ones
they voted and take all their tax increases they've put
them in office.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Citizen Hughes and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I'm brought our cant don't forget Jesse Kelly is coming
your way following our news update at the top of
the hour. It's been fun to listen to Uh Jeffy
Uh Jesse uh. Also tonight again we continue. We've made
some changes in their evening lineup. Of course Ground Zero
with Clyde Lewis is no more because of some challenges

(01:08:46):
that Clyde has had with his health. So we have
introduced our American stories and I've listed last couple of
nights to some of the stories. They're great storytellers and
they have such unique stories to tell. It's all about Americans,
their successes. I'm their failures, great moments in history to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I haven't listened yet. I should.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Well, you're busy, No, but you play this online chess
game with yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Don't even get started there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
It's a very bad thing because I hate losing, and
then I'll get more sleepy and I play worse. But
I won't stop till I win, and I'll go all
night until I win. It a terrible things without sleep.
Why do you have to bring that up? I don't
even like because you'll.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Stay up till two o'clock in the morning. Yes, on
your phone, and I have to get up this chess game. Yes,
and it's worse because I'm so tired. I'm rushing it
and I'm not looking at it, and so I get
worse at it, and I won't stop till I win.
And it's just it's a terrible it's a it's a spiral.
You' I want to change gears, not not admit that

(01:09:47):
I wasn't looking to put that on the show, but
I want to thank all a great listeners to stop by.
This has been such a great show today just because
being here, we've clearly established that we have some great
listeners that close by here at Utah County. So thank
you for those that stop by and said hi, hope
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Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Nobody seemed disappointed at the selection of minkeey Cotur blankets,
o things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
There are a lot of great things here and they
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Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And then we take a three day break.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Yes, it's the Valentine's Day slash President's Table.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Great, that's right, that's right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
That does it for us tonight, as we say each
and every night, head up, shoulders back, make God bless
you and your family and this great, great country of ours.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Thanks for listening. We're back tomorrow, and for have a
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