The Rod and Greg Show: Should Fans Be Able to Carry Guns to the Delta Center?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We led the show yesterday, just on Monday, with this
strange story of Guthrie Seranta Guthrie's mother having disappeared in Arizona.
But I think breaking news in the from actually TMZ
and if you're thinking TMZ, that's kind of a clickbake,
we don't know. They actually break a lot of stuff.
But reported in the Los Angeles Times, if that brings

(00:22):
any more credibility, which is debatable, they're now saying that
her blood was found. It looks like there was first
entry and they do believe she was taken and TMC
and they are reporting that there has been a ransom
note for Savannah Guthrie's mother that was received by TMZ
and then that is being investigated right now. Yeah, so

(00:42):
that's you know, that's twenty four hours ago and there's
that new detail that we were wondering. Everything looked very strange.
We didn't have a lot of information, so that just
broke right before the show started.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, the trail of blood apparently is leading away from
the front door of her home there in Tucson, Arizona,
that was captured. She's been reported missing and it appears,
you know, from all indications are greg at this point
that she was snatched from her bed in the middle
of the night, and it looks like there's an unopened
Amazon package on the porch as well, So I don't

(01:14):
know what that means, but like you were reporting, TMZ
is all over this, and they did receive a ransom
note today and the ransom note demands payment for her release,
and there's a deadline, a demand for millions worth of
bitcoin yep.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Cryptocurrency would be the way, and that would make sense
because I would imagine that's hard. You know, I'm not
up with the kids and everything, but that's see that
digital currency seems like it would be much harder to
trace and to once you put it into an account.
The way it works, I think it would be easier
to hide it or to keep it than if you
were to exchange real dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And to Apparently this note or this email they got
contains some information that may confirm that this is not
a hoax ransom note, it may in fact be real.
Apparently there was some information in this and they have
now turned it over to the FBI and Pima County
Sheriff's departments down there in Arizona to try and find

(02:12):
this but this is this a bizarre story. Oh and
by the way, today she said she's not doing the Olympics.
She was scheduled to be there Italy for the opening
ceremonies from for the week and she won't be going there.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
It makes sense, Yeah, yeah, you know yesterday And you know,
we all as human beings, will seek pattern recognitions. We'll
look for things that we've seen in life, and that
it repeats itself. Because there's human nature. There's different things. Well,
typically if there's a home invasion, you may find someone
that's been harmed or even worse killed in a home
invasion where they're seeking to rob you know, the residence

(02:46):
or wherever the invasion occurs. This is different in that
the person themselves itself was taken out. So what we
said yesterday was it could be a ransom note, it
could be a kidnapping, because typically if you're gonna steal
from someone, you're going to take everything you can out
of that house and you're going to leave that person
incapacitated in some way.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That wasn't what happened here.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
She herself was gone, and given that we're talking about it,
it's because her daughter's nationally known and so maybe they
believe that, you know, her, her daughter's notoriety, maybe wealth
would lead to this cryptocurrency being paid for her. And
here we are. But again not so much because of

(03:28):
the individual like Savannah Guthrie and why we care that
that much about her versus anyone else that would go
through a crime. But I think it's when it's someone
recognizable that America knows and it's their mother. We're all
getting that information and we're all absorbing a crime happening
in real time together because because it is because it's
someone that's famous, we all hear this information that we

(03:51):
otherwise wouldn't hear unless we knew, we lived on the street,
or we knew who it was. Because I think that
these things happened sadly, but I think we're all hearing
the information the same time, and it just as a
reminder that it's a dangerous world.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, you know if you're well, for anybody but
your elderly. She lived alone, you know, in a nice
area of Phoenix. You know that anybody out there, I
don't care what age you are, you live alone. It's
always kind of a scary situation, I think for the
elderly it's a little bit different because of their age,
and you know, stuff like that. And you know, and

(04:25):
you wonder, Greg, if police know something right now that
they simply aren't telling us. Maybe in fact, that ransom
note was real and they know it because the sheriff
came out today and said, basically, I haven't got anything
new and the only to I'll talk to you again
in two days, not till Thursday unless something new comes up. So, boy,

(04:46):
they're just a lot. How does a woman like that
just disappear off the face of the earth.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, you know, we've we've seen.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think it is the case that law enforcement doesn't
disclose publicly every detail include and because sometimes when they
catch someone, they want to be able to see things
that weren't publicly disclosed and see if they have things
that they know were part of the crime but they
couldn't say, well, they heard about it there. It's one
of these people that likes to mimic crimes or whatever
it may be. They want to hold some of that

(05:13):
stuff back because it might show that they're closer on
the trail than the suspect may may understand.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I watched this documentary about back in the eighties, ladies
was a creer. There's this insane guy called the Knightstalker.
I thinks I can't remember his last name, but he
would he would kidnap people, and he would kill people
he had. He was just an evil, evil human being
and there was no pattern to what he did. But
this documentary talked about him and how he was ultimately caught.

(05:41):
But the one thing when he went to a home,
he could cut phone lines to stop your your alarm.
He could he could do a lot of things to
get into a home and to attack people. But the
one thing he couldn't do anything about.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is a dog.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
If the dog started barking, it would wake someone up
and he could not continue on what he was doing.
He doesn't even have to be a ferocious dog. The
dog would stymy this man who he could not get
into a house or a home because the dog would
would make such a noise. So folks, get a dog.
I'm doing forget the I mean you can have you
can have alarms and everything else, but I'm telling you

(06:16):
dogs are good. The dog is there's no overcoming that dog.
If that dog here is someone in the house and
they start to bark, I mean, I don't know what
she has to protect herself, but if she'd had an
I don't know, maybe she even had a pet. I
don't know, but if you the theory goes, if they
hear something and they start barking, it at least alert you,
yeah something's wrong.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know what's interesting about this, Greg, I'm thinking back,
and I was not in the country at the time
of this, but when Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abducted,
and how this community, I mean, you had hundreds, if
not thousands of people going through the foothills trying to
look for her. I mean, this community response here was amazing.
I don't know if I've seen that yet in Tucson,

(06:55):
but that they need to get thousands of volunteers and
just go out and look for her just to confirm
that she's not in this area. I haven't seen that. Now,
maybe with drones with helicopters, you don't need that kind
of community support anymore. But I think it's always valuable
to get a set of eyes on every square into
the area where she lived. And maybe there's a clue

(07:16):
out there as well. Because they're still pleading Greg with
the community to help them out. Yeah, well they are
getting tips well.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And I'll tell you, in hindsight, the irony about the
Elizabeth Smart kidnapping is that they did scour what they
thought was every every hill, you know, foothill everywhere, and
the police were saying, then, she's probably halfway to Las
Vegas by now, but they weren't. They were camping out
in those foot hills. They were actually not that far away.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
So but I think that I think this is a
developing story, and I think that again, I think it
highlights that we live in scary times and that you know,
even if you feel safe in your own home, you
should be taking precautions.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, be careful out there, folks. It is a dangerous world.
All right, let's line out, let's lay it on the
table as to what we'll be talking to you about today.
Coming up in an there was a hearing, i believe
it was last week up on the Hill about Utah's
efforts to on gender affirming care and what is taking
place there. And of course there was a study that
was commissioned by the stage to take a look at

(08:14):
this issue. And the study came back and said it's
really good for kids. Well, a lot of questions of
being raised about that study, and we'll get into that
a little bit later on. Our good friend Liz Peek
will join us. We'll talk about the economic wins of
Donald Trump. But why aren't America's Americans realizing it yet?
Maybe they are, Maybe they are. We'll talk about that.
We've got a lot of other things to get to

(08:35):
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(08:57):
and we invite you to stay with us right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine Okay, n
r S. Coming up at the bottom of the hour,
our good friend Liz Peak, a columnist at Fox new
She's having to survive New York the way you did,
but she lives there and all the snow and the
garbage and the junk.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
She'll be she'll be joining us.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Coming up at the bottom of the hour because she
wants to talk about Donald Trump's economic wins. They are real,
but why are the American people not recognizing that. We'll
get into that with Liz coming up at the bottom
of the hour.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, So joining us on the program right now is
Camden Moulder, a fellow in political journalism and at the
National Review topic Utah Health Department Review on gender care.
Mister Malder, Welcome to the program, Missus Maulder. I'm missus Maulder.
I'm sorry, I apologize, I said, mister I you know,

(09:49):
I was thinking of it. I was thinking of the
what was it called the X files.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh, That's what I was thinking. It was in my head.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Get that a lot, Camden.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You've been looking into this report. This was a study
that I believe state lawmakers asked for to get an
idea as to gender affirming care and how it's impacting kids.
The report came back, as I recall, saying, it was
really good that kids do benefit from that, but lawmakers
want to do something about gender affirming care. You've dug
into the report. What have you found out?

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah, So they did ask for the report and it
was published back in May, and when the report first
came out, you know, Republican lawmakers were up in arms,
of course with the results, and it came out recently
through various outside groups that looked into the report that
not only was the information they used, you know, unreliable,

(10:44):
and six of the seven studies that they included in
the report we were graded, as you know, critically low
in terms of the quality of information. But also you know,
they failed to register the report with the outside research
groups that you know, do the auditing of the systematic reports,
and there were just a lot of like discrepancies and

(11:05):
concerns with where they got their information, how they were
able to put together the information that they provided.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
And that's extremely.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Consequential, as you know, as we enter the twenty twenty
sixth legislative session and the Utah State Legislature is looking
to potentially make the ban on gender from and care
in the state permanent.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I've always wondered if any so called research, and I'm
using air quotes, is always a reverse engineering effort to
you know, your conclusion and now you're just trying to
find information that will support the predetermined outcome that you're
trying to prove. Am I being too much of a
cynic to suggest that the Utah Health Department was reverse
engineering a so called report or they are they just

(11:45):
really bad at this.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
You know, they haven't commented on whether or not that's
what they were doing, so we can only speculate. But
in terms of the concerns that were found at the report,
I mean they only looked at studies from twenty twenty
three to twenty twenty four, so a very short period
of time. And when we're concerned with the long term.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Effects that these you know, either puberty blockers or even
surgeries are having on the children, just looking at a
year's time is not sufficient in trying to determine whether
or not it's actually fair and appropriate to allow miners
to receive these operations and treatment.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Kemden was that one of the reports, if not the
biggest flaw in the report that the time period they
looked at was really too short to really understand what
is going on. Or were there other big flaws within
the report.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yeah, that was certainly one of one of the largest.
Another was, you know, as I said earlier, that six
of the seven reviews sided in the report received a
critically low rating and so that basically means that the
studies they used prevented fatal flaws and that the finding
should not be used to make any sort of policy
decisions or clinical decisions. And also too, it just disagrees

(12:59):
with other major reports that have suggested issues. The cast review,
for example, out of the UK led to England completely
banning these sort of procedures and treatments for miners. Also
here at you know, the federal level AHHS came out
with a similar a similar study and suggested that miners

(13:21):
do not receive these treatments. So it just also disagreed
with other very large and high quality reports.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So what's the motive behind all this? I mean it's hard,
it's hard for me to see. I mean, it used
to be just an ethos the societal more that we
protect kids. I mean, even if you were in jail,
if it was found out that you had harmed children,
you weren't safe in jail amongst criminals, if that were
the case. To see where we are today and to
see whether it's a reversed, engineered report that wants to

(13:51):
suggest that you can you can chemically castrate or worse
miners and that that's okay what is what is driving this?
Do you think is it money? Is it worse?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
It really seems, at least on the forefront, at least,
you know, what they mentioned in the report that they
really think that this is helping the children, and they
report that there's no regret that you know, mental health
has improved all of these things. But in terms of
no regret, for example, a big concern is future fertility
for these minor patients, and they didn't even include that

(14:24):
in the study, and they didn't ask kids whether they
were concerned about their future fertility in the future. And
so when they hide behind the guise of you know,
like I said, mental health or trying to affirm these kids,
letting anyone be who they want to be, it's easy
to concoct that narrative together that this is a good
thing when obviously other research has proven that it is not.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Kimden, you point out in your story on this that
there were two Utah lawmakers who when the report first
came out, they encouraged other lawmakers to read it to
really fully understand what was in it. That's democratic Utah
stakes under lose as Com and state Representative Angeloa Romiro.
Have you reached out to them, and have they said, well,
maybe you know, you know, we admit there are flaws

(15:08):
and the report. Have they have they responded.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
To this at all?

Speaker 5 (15:12):
No, they have not.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
So National Review did reach out to both of both
of those Utah lawmakers and they did not respond to
our request for comment. And also they have not publicly
you know, withdrawn either the statements that they made regarding
their you know, support as you will, of the of
a report from back in May.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It looks like the UK a number maybe a couple
of years ago at least now banned these procedures for miners.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
We're seeing.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I think that we're seeing a different posture on how
we treat these miners or whether this makes any sense
or not. I think that this report, or it's how
thin it is or not valid, only adds to that.
But am I being too more optimistic? What are you
seeing out there in terms of this movement where you know,
this transgender this gender affirming care, whatever you want to

(15:59):
call it, frons, not adults, but miners. Is this a
time we'll all look back on in history and be
ashamed of or does it still have any kind of
momentum to continue forward?

Speaker 6 (16:11):
I mean, just in this past week alone, we've seen
quite a few big wins for the movement. Today, the
American Society of Plastic Surgeons, they released some new guidance
regarding gender transition surgeries on miners, basically just encouraging physicians
to take a step back and look at what they're
doing and be mindful. And they were critical of these procedures. Also,

(16:33):
we saw the first the transitioner. They won their settlement.
A woman was awarded two million dollars after she under
she underwent a double miss ectomy at the age of sixteen.
And so just those two recent pieces of news alone,
I think are great news and great steps in the
right direction of trying to convince people that these these

(16:56):
treatments and procedures for minors are not a good.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Idea position or get one. I think it was two
million dollars. It was a case in New York or
Long Island somewhere. Didn't she get about two million dollars
in that settlement?

Speaker 8 (17:07):
It was yes, Yeah, Camden.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Great work on this. We appreciate a few minutes of
your time and enjoy the rest of the day.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
Thank you, Thank you both so much.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
All right, on our Newsmaker line. That's Camden Mulder. She
has a fellow in political journalism at the National Review Online.
Taking a look at this Utah Health Department study taking
a look at gender affirming care, a very very weak study,
and as people dig into it, they now realize why.
All right, more coming up it is the rodden Greg
Joe right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, NRS.

(17:38):
It aims to let concealed carry permit holders pack in
the Delta Center. Now apparently right now they cannot do
so going to a jazz game or a mammoth game.
But apparently her bill wants to change that.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
An interesting discussion.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
You know, we've had this issue arise, whether it was
if you have a console carry permit, can you be
on a state institutional higher learning campus like the U
of you? And I've been in the legislature where I
thought that was appropriate and should be allowed, and that
you didn't really have stand as a state institution to
contradict or have policies that contradicted our state law. I
think the hook or the nexus to this with represent

(18:14):
Perucci is who's by the way, the majority whip in
the House, is that they do receive for purposes of
the refurbishment and the things that that's going through. Ryan Smith,
the owner is receiving state dollars. If you're receiving a
tax payer dollars, should it be the case that you
can ban you know, guns from consil carry holders permit

(18:36):
holders at your facility. But you know, I it's not
a place that it immediately brought to mind that I
would want it, or that you'd think. He goes through
a lot, he go through that metal detection gamp, put
your wall and everything in that little cup and they
push it over to you.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I mean it's a bit. I mean it's pretty involved.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, well, we'll get people's reaction to this.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm interested to hear practical the technical, you know, constitutional
protection versus the practical use or application of I am
interested in the collective opinion of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Now we'll get to that coming up in the five
o'clock cow. Well, are Americans being told the truth about
the US economy? All the trends GREG are indicating that
the economy is doing very very well. As a matter
of fact, many people are predicting at the end of
the second quarter of this year, which would be what
the end of June, end of May, we could be

(19:27):
looking at a very strong economy. But did the American
people believe that. I'm not sure if they do.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
I don't think we're feeling it.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean, I don't think we're still getting worse every
day like we were in the Biden administration. But there's
a lot to dig out from, and I think that
we have to be very careful not to sound like
the Biden administration and say you have so good, you're
just not smart enough to realize it.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, we can start that narrative. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that is our good friend Liz Peak, columnist at Fox News. Liz,
the number show the trends look good, but the American
people don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
What is going on?

Speaker 9 (20:01):
Well, it's a really good question. I think results is
the answer. I think people need to feel their incomes rising.

Speaker 10 (20:08):
I think they need to feel the tax refunds.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
I mean everyone's talking about people's tax refunds being one
thousand dollars more than last year. That's a lot of
money to a lot of people, and I think that
is going to definitely improve the country's mood. I think
we have to see probably further improvement in the inflation numbers.
I mean, the reality is right now, the country is

(20:32):
growing very strongly, and I think that's why President Trump
was insistent on not allowing a government shutdown to take
that extra growth out of the system, which it did
in the fourth quarter. As we well know, things are
trending in the right direction. The trade deficits down, the
fiscal deficits down, but people have to feel it in

(20:52):
their pocketbook and so far a little What worries me
is that Trump is telling people, oh, there's no inflation,
prices are down.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
Those things really are not true.

Speaker 9 (21:02):
And it sounds a lot like Joe Biden going out
there and telling people that no, no, re inflation really
isn't the problem you think it is.

Speaker 10 (21:10):
It's a problem if the consumer.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
If I the consumer, feel like my income isn't going
as far, it's a problem, and please don't tell me
that it isn't. So I do think all of this
is going to be on an improving trend, and I'm
optimistic that President Trump and his advisors are aware. They
know that the midterms loom and the number one issue

(21:36):
always always is the economy and how people are feeling
about their own financial situation. Interestingly, people are not so
pessimistic or gloomy about their current situation.

Speaker 10 (21:48):
They're worried about the future.

Speaker 9 (21:50):
And why Because there are an awful lot of articles
being written about AI and how it threatens everybody's job
and tariffs and how that's going to mean higher inflation.
A lot of these warnings and alarm bells ringing have
not come to pass, and I just kind of hope
that people keep an open mind over the next several
months and again as they get bigger tax refunds, as

(22:12):
they get a higher real wages helping their bank account,
that they kind of begin to understand that things are
actually going pretty.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
As we have our friends Stephen More on the program.
We try to get him on once a week. He's
fun to talk to. He's so bullish about the economy,
as he should be. He presents all the economic indicators
that show that things are so much better than they
were during the Biden administration. But I'm with you till
until Queen Bee tells me that her grocery experience is

(22:43):
feeling more normal, that she feels that prices are affordable
than in the Hughes home. They're just not And and
so they're talking about when does it converge. When does
all the good news that we're seeing on paper, because
I don't want to sound like the Biden administration either,
When do we start to see what's happened being on
paper the positive things, lower interest rates, all of it.
When do we feel it? Because I don't know that

(23:05):
we're feeling it necessarily. Maybe it's not getting worse, but
we're not looking around going wow, I feel like things
are better. You do you see that happening in the
next six months or four months seen?

Speaker 9 (23:14):
You know, it's hard to imagine that there's going to
be like a thunderclap of excitement, you know, But I'm serious.

Speaker 10 (23:21):
I think it's a gradual improvement. Today.

Speaker 9 (23:24):
I think it was PepsiCo that talked about lowering prices
on their snacks by fifteen percent. I think it was PepsiCo.
You'll have to bear that out, but I'm pretty sure
that's right. And actually I was kind of surprised by that.
But also I think consumers are beginning to resist and
if companies begin to say, Okay, we get it, we
pushed too hard. Prices are too high. We're going to

(23:47):
start listening to our consumer. Guess what, maybe that also
begins to make things a little bit better. Because I
don't know about you guys, but when you go to
the grocery store, I think everybody in the country comes
out thinking, Gee, you know, how did that get to
be so expensive? How did chicken salad become twelve dollars
a pound? I remember it when it was eight, et cetera,
et cetera. I think you've had over the last several years,

(24:11):
and really culminating in twenty two and twenty twenty three,
just this build up of increased pricing and it's just
very hard to deal with. And then you know, in
blue states like where I live, they just constantly are
adding on extras. I mean every place you go into
now they want a fifteen to twenty percent tip, even

(24:31):
if there's no service element. It's like, here, we're selling
you an English muffin package, and we want a fifteen
percent tip for that. And they want extra money for
the Uber drivers, and they want this and that. So
it all kind of builds up and I feel like, yeah,
it's just difficult. So gradually higher real wages meaning that

(24:52):
your wages are going up faster than inflation. That begins
to help, but it is not an overnight phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Years ago, I remember reading an article Liz and I
think it was written by Peggy Noonan, and he said,
successful administrations that have always been able to define what
they did or what they are going to do in
two sentences or less, and she went through a list
of them. Can Donald Trump and his administration define how
America's economy is doing in two sentences? Are left or

(25:24):
less for the American public to understand what is taking place?

Speaker 10 (25:28):
That's a really good question.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
I think the answer is that they are lowering the
cost of living gradually through lighter regulations and lower taxes,
and also because of the wonders of AI and I
know that last is something that is disputed. People are
not confident about it at all. But higher productivity does
mean that basically that's a very inflation fighting phenomenon that

(25:54):
that too will kind of wend its way in. But
by the way, this not two sentences limitedly. You know,
things like mortgage rates are down, they are down, they're
six point one percent and they were almost seven percent
a year ago, and gasoline prices are down, so there
are improvements taking place, it's just in the bigger scheme
of things. Again, it's a gradual change, and I think

(26:16):
the President has got to sort of shed his frustration
that people aren't feeling those gradual things and kind of
deal with a reality on the ground, which is it's
a slow process.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, I know you're not an economist, but you
are a thought leader. You've got a great eye.

Speaker 10 (26:31):
I am I actually trained as well.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Hush my mouth. I am so sorry that I would
ever suggest that you or not. I just see you
as a thought leader and you've got a keen eye
and you see what's going on the ground. But you're
an economist as well, so this will even be a
better question to ask you. I read recently an article
that says, when you see personal savings being used, it's
actually the sign of a robust economy because people feel

(26:53):
confident enough that they are going to take their savings
and they're going to spend it because they know they're
going to make more and they can they can save
more later.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Sometimes people use their savings because they can't make ends meet.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
What do you say to that?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I mean, I don't know that using your savings as
an indicator that people are feeling optimistic about economy, it
might mean that you can't afford what you have to
pay for in a given month.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
What say you?

Speaker 9 (27:18):
Okay, So this is a real economists answer. I would
say both things are true. For people on the higher
end of the income and wealth spectrum, they're invested in
the stock market and stocks are going up and their
portfolio looks terrific, So yeah, they're probably going to spend
more of their savings, the amount of their income is
actually going into new investments and so forth, because they

(27:40):
realize they're getting wealthier every day. If you're on the
lower end of the income spectrum, it probably means that
you're used to a certain level of spending. And I
think we saw this over the holidays. People did not
want to retrench. Everybody said they were going to, but
then they didn't because guess what, you get used to
having your daily latte or whatever it is that you
find very sort of essential to your feeling of well being,

(28:04):
and then you do, Yeah, you spend more of your
income because you want to do that. But remember the
biggest fight in savings rate. I think we've ever seen
was during COVID, and the reason partly was there was
nothing to spend money on. I also think the other
reason was people are scared of debt and they just
wanted to sit on whatever money they had coming in
until all of the sort of smoke cleared and they

(28:26):
had a better vision of what was ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Fox News Columns. Liz Peak joining us on our Any
Hour newsmaker lines, it makes a lot of sense. Now
when we come back Greg the education of Rod. When
it comes to grocery prices, I'll share with you a
story that I something that happened to me over the
weekend concerning grocery prices and eyes blown away.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
We'll share that story.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, it was like, wow, that's coming up on the
Rod and Greg show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Kayn rs carrying a gun to a Utah
jazz game right now. You can't do it, Bunny, Utah
lawmaker wants to change that. We talk about it coming
up in the five o'clock hour with you. All right,
do you go grocery shopping with your wife?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Occasionally? I go occasionally, Like when I'm trapped, I thought
we were going somewhere else you or what.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
No, I was.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I thought we were going to do something else, and
all of a sudden, Queen Bee will say, oh, well,
let's go to the grocery store. And sometimes I wait,
you wait, yeah, I'll play Saltare on my phone before
I walk into that hell hole.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
But no, i've been as of late.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I actually went because she doesn't need any of
my advice and she doesn't need to hear from me
when she's got to be in there. However, I wanted
to see myself what was going on, So I have
some observations myself, but I'm interested in what you saw
the well.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I like to go grocery shopping with my wife because
I get the good stuff, you know. She gets the
basic stuff, the stuff we need, the eggs, the milk,
the butter. I get the cookies and the chips. You see,
that's the reason I go.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Queen Bee when she sees a bunch of dudes at
like TJ Max in the middle of the day, or
if she sees them at a grocery store, she's like,
what are you doing here? Don't you have a job.
You should be working. Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So I went, Yeah, So I went the other day,
and we've heard a lot about beef prices, and I
don't look at prices hardly at all, but I decided
to go to this the meat counter, and I saw
some package meat there and I think it was either
a couple of rabbis or a couple of New York
strip stakes, I can't remember. And I looked on the
package and there were two of them. They looked very nice.
The price for those two steaks thirty six dollars for

(30:30):
the both for both the eighteen dollars a piece for
either a rabbi steak or a New York state Now,
I don't know if that's typical or if that's the
price of meat, because I don't look at it very often,
but I was kind of shock, going, Wow, eighteen dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
For a steak.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's insane. That's a lot of mine.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I thought it was maybe not, so he was my deal?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Okay, So I this was at Sam's Club.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, were you You're supposed to get it for a
lot cheaper, but wow. So I won't call out any
of the particular stores, but I went into one and
I was I'm kind of like you, I go I
used to live on chips and salsa. I used to
I have this thing when I was a bachelor. If
it took longer to make than to eat, it was
a waste of time. I had to eat something quick,
So I used to just live on chips and salsa.
My roommates would call the coffee table where the TV

(31:16):
was Greg's kitchen, because that's where it was. Anyway, I
want to see I want to get a big party
pack of tortilla chips, you know, so.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I can dip.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
The party pack is like it's like two feet long.
It's a quarter filled with chips and chips. There is
more air in that thing than there are chips. It
looks like a giant bag, but there's no chips in it.
It's just you're buying a lot of It is such
false sabotaging. I don't know what party that bag could
ever supply chips for. But it's not part. They're not

(31:46):
using the word party. That should be chips when you're
in a phone booth. Okay, that's what that should say.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It's all there. Oh, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
At two thirds of air, they.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Raised the price and shrunk everything inside.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
All right.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Guns at the Delta Center we'll dig into that with
you next. This is an interesting story. It's a bill
introduced by state Representative Candice Perucci, Republican from Harriman. We've
had her on the show quite often. Yes, she's done
a lot of work in a number of areas. Very
good lawmaker. Well, she has unveiled the bill she did
so yesterday, Greg that would allow concealed firearm permit holders

(32:24):
to take their guns to a Utah Jazz game or
Utah Mammoth home game at the Delta Center, as well
as concerts and other events held at the Delta Center
and a host of other venues around the state. That's
according to a story today in the Tribune, and she says,
we're a Second Amendment state and we have a really

(32:45):
robust concealed carry permitt The idea would be that if
you're going to accept state dollars, we should at least
have a discussion on if you're going to prohibit someone's
Second Amendment rights while you're there.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Interesting discussion it is because I principally I am one
hundred percent with represent Perucci. Principally I think she's right.
But I've been to the game. I've been to Mammoth
Games recently I went to I've been to two comedy
shows within last year. There some of them will like
put your cell phone in a bag because they don't

(33:18):
want anyone recording their comedy show, which is you know
you're being without your.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Phone the whole time. That's something.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
So there is just you go through the metal detector,
you go through everything. There is a high level of
scrutiny of everyone that walks in. I wouldn't I wouldn't
need to or feel the need to do that, if
I guess, I just haven't had a problem with it
up till now. However, principally I agree with what she's saying.
Practically speaking, I don't know that it's a thing. But
that's why I wanted to talk about this this hour,

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because I'd love to know what our listeners say.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Isn't a big enough problem that it needs a solution
the one that she's offering.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's that I mean, yes, So when I heard it,
it won't change what I do or what I would do.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
There's an interesting twist. Some people say, I'm Ery mentioned
that he's heard then in Seattle outside of the their
their hockey and hockey venue that they have lockers that
you can put your gun.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
In and pay in the baseball.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Stadiums too, so there's a place to put them.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
But does that do you any good? I mean, if
you're there to protect yourself and you haven't got your
gun with it, you have to run to the locker
room to get it. That don't make any sense? Am
I wrong on that?

Speaker 11 (34:28):
Basically people want to have their guns when they park
their vehicles and walk through town to get to the stadium,
and then have it when they walk back from the
stadium to their vehicles.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (34:40):
Well one of them is if you do that, then
you have to take it be able to either do
something with it or take it into the venue.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That Yeah, yeah, that's the rough. I never thought the
area around Mariner's Ballpark was that unsafe, but apparently maybe
he's gotten that way over the years.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, I'll tell you this. You know our Clark Opposion,
who is up at the Hill. He is the of guns.
He knows it all and he has his own show
here on on canter Rests on Saturday's a gun Show
three o'clock on Saturdays. He just sent me a message
and says he's always been able to get into jazz
games with his firearm.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
How do you do that?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
He might be Clark opposion. I don't know if everyone
could be Clark. I don't know what he does, but
you know he might have that J jedime trick. You'll
let me in, and the guy goes, come on.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
In, come on in, I'll let you in. I don't
have a gun.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
He doesn't have a gun.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's what might be prick is. Of course, if you're
getting state money, that you should Now, how do you
have any idea what kind of state money the Delta
Center or Ryan Smith and they get. Are they getting
tax is?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's there is dedicated sales tax from the from the
city that they're receiving. There's they call tax increw in financing.
There's dollars that the state is allowed by by statute
for them to collect any kind of taxes being spent
in that area. And then you have some transportation dollars
looking to realign roads and give them maybe a bigger

(36:07):
plaza in the front. We're talking probably hundreds of millions
of dollars.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Billion is what I see. I see a number here billion.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I was being conservative by saying hundreds of millions, but
a billion wouldn't shock me, given how much there's a
there's this desire to keep Ryan Smith and the Jazz
and the Mammoth downtown Salt Lake. I think if left
to his own devices or opportunities like this, he may
look at that south end of the valley, you know,
where the the mammoth, the practice facility is of Southtown Mall.

(36:39):
There's a kind of some there was at one point
some talk about moving down that point in the mountain
area for having both the jazz and the hockey damath
and there was a real push to keep it in
Salt Lake City being the capital city. So by doing that,
there's probably hundreds of millions, if not a billion dollars
of tax payer money in some form of fashion that

(36:59):
will go to the improvement of that that venue.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, it's just thinking about the point of the
mountain would be a perfect place for new arenas. Yes,
both Utah County and Salt Lake and Davis County you're coming,
you know, they're almost at central location.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'm telling you, over ten years ago we'd call that
Middle Earth right there. It really was that border between
northern Utah County and South Salt Lake Capital. We called
it Middle Earth because it was where everything was or
were coming.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
It is a perfect location. But he's don't keep it
downtown and build that entertainment.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
But there's but there's been a state commitment, a city commitment,
there's been taxpayer commitment to enhance that area instead of
him having the opportunity to build something brand new and
leaving that place for you know, if you abandon that,
it's just like the Bees Ballpark, that's going to be
a ghost town. They got to rip it all down.
What do you do to that area if you take
it down. There was a lot of people that felt

(37:52):
like that would harm the capital city, it would harm
Salt Lake City. Well, I got to tell you though,
there's a lot of crime down there. You've got urban
renewal and urban decay happening literally on the same block.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
So anyway, I'm mixed on this.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I don't with you, don't.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I don't need to carry when I'm when I'm at
a game. But you know, I I see the reasoning.
So I'm just wondering what our.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Listeners now had a thought on this. He Ray, You're
I know he's listening right now. El Eray, what are
your thoughts on this. I mean, you're a concealed carry
prevent holder, what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 11 (38:24):
I I mean I get the part of walking through
town with them, but if it's solely because you feel
like you need it at the game, I think it's unnecessary.
The fact that there are metal detectors at the doors,
mass security and police officers in the building.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I mean, it's about a secure as a place as
you can be.

Speaker 11 (38:46):
I don't think typically there's going to be any concern
or worry about something happening now. Obviously there are there
are differences to that. I mean the ari Ol Grande
concert oversees a couple of years ago when something really
bad happened there, but the mass shooting there, But typically
I don't think there's something you have to worry about.
I personally wouldn't worry about carrying there now. I do

(39:07):
think it's valid on going from the car, you know,
it's from the parking lot, walking through town to the arena,
that's can be an issue, especially in downtown Salt Lake
City nowadays, But I as far as taking it in
to the arena itself, I don't see a need for that.
I personally wouldn't do it, but it probably would be
nice for there to be an option to have lockers somewhere,

(39:29):
either just inside the arena or just outside the arena,
that are manned with security so that your stuff is safe.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
So it could be so that would be a good idea,
and you'd have it when you go to and from
the arena to get to your car. What about the
the big outdoor arena out on the west side. Do
they have any type of restriction?

Speaker 11 (39:46):
Yeah, oh, the the uha, Yeah, the old They have
mental detectors there as well.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Can't get that stuff really really, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
One of the things that might be happening here is
maybe it's supposed to have a chilling ou effect on
quit asking for taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
That could be too We're.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Going to put all these if you're gonna if you're
gonna get taxpayer dollars, we're going to just put more
state requirements on you. So maybe you don't want all
that tax payer dollars. I think we've I think we're
seeing the end of taxpayer paid sport venues.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I hope so.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
And I think that Utah might be the last bastion
where you're seeing any of that happen because I think
people are wise en up. There's enough private equity out there,
and those teams become worth so much money.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
It's it.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
It doesn't really doesn't stand a reason that taxpayer should
have to do it.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I did not know this. According to the story
today that Tribune did a little work on this. As
of June thirtieth of last year, greg six hundred and
fifty seven, two hundred and seventy one people in Utah
have acted Utah concealed fire permits firearm permit. How many
six hundred and fifty seven, two hundred and seventy one
people in this state. That's great, that's that's great. I

(40:55):
didn't realize the number was that high.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
No, it's yeah, I am. I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And we were an open carry state. Now we're constitutional carrier,
which means that you I mean, the concealed carry is
good because there's a reciprocal agreement with other states which
makes it nice. But you can carry, you can constitutional carry.
You can carry without a concealed carry in Utah and
it's legal, so you don't even need the concealed carry permit.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'd like to hear people out there are great listers.
Many of them probably do have concealed carry permits if
they're four or again this i'd.

Speaker 12 (41:29):
Like to know.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
You know, there's a great comment that just came in.
It says, it's not a question of whether a venue
is secure or not, it's what does what does our
state constitution say? Not everybody's just comes and goes. Some
people use UTA, but in the end, what is that
the constitution and our laws. I don't know that it's
constitutional in our state constitution, but it is. We have

(41:52):
changed and amended and created a law, pass laws that
allow you to have a gun concealed carry, but also
a constitutional carry, meaning cost our US constitutional right bear
arms is our law of the land here. So this
listener is saying that if our US Constitution says you
have the right to bear arms, and our state laws
are consistent with that, then why would.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
We restrict Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
True, good point.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Still carry permit holders, very good point. It is a
good point.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight
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Kay an Ars, We've got the phone lines open to you.

(42:39):
We want to hear from you tonight about this bill
being proposed by State Representative Candide Peruci. She unveiled the
bill just yesterday and it would allow concealed firearm permit
holders to take their guns to the Delta Center for
Utah Jazz and Utah Mammoth Games or other events. Her
argument is, look, if the state is giving you tax break,

(43:00):
you know you have an obligation to uphold the Second Amendment,
which is part of the constitution here in the state
of Utah and certainly in the US. We're asking people
if they agree or disagree, do we need something like
this and how do you feel about it?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, let's go to the phone so we can hear
from our listeners. This is one of my favorite parts
of our show. We need to hear the collective will
and wisdom. Let's go first to David in Cash County
or Cash Valley. David, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (43:28):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. I would just like
to say that I support the bill. One of the
things that drives me crazy about going to the post
office is having to take it off and put it
back on. And every time that you handle a firearm,
you're actually at more risk than if you just leave
it on your person. I believe the safest place is

(43:50):
to leave it holster on your person and the only
reason to take it out of a holster is if
you have a dire need to do so. But the
other thing too is and I don't know if you're
aware of this, but they just lost the case in
court about post offices, and so because it's a lower court,

(44:10):
they narrowed it to the plaintiffs. So if you're a
member of the Second Amendment Foundation, which brought the suit,
and I think one other, then you're no longer required
to take it off to go into a post office anymore.
It'll have to make its way to the Supreme Court,
I guess to be a blanket issue ruling. But as

(44:33):
far as going back and forth to the venue, I
do think it's just better to let people leave it
on their person. That's the second place you don't have
to worry about theft from your car either. So that's
my two cents.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
David, Why the post office? Why was the post office
singled out?

Speaker 13 (44:51):
Well, the the history was the number of well it
was federal, but it was the history of it was
postal workers that were are shooting up.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, remember the same.

Speaker 13 (45:02):
And that that's that's where that saying comes from, going postal.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yes, that's it. I remember they made a.

Speaker 13 (45:09):
Blake at coverage on that, and the Second Amendment Foundation said,
this is ridiculous. Why are you restricting law abiding citizens
who have permits of going into a post office? So
that they won that at a lower court, but now
it would have to go to a higher court to
be applicable to everyone. I guess it's very strange.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Lass action that would be, or they would apply to
all citizens. But but very interesting. And yeah, so I
I there's nothing he said I could argue with.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
So let's go.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Now, let's go to Josh, who's in Syracuse. Josh, welcome
to the program.

Speaker 12 (45:46):
Hey, thanks for having me, guys. I do agree with
what the previous scholars said as well. What's the bill?
I I do agree with it, especially since I work
in Salt Lake. It's getting U kind of I don't
I want to say, a little bit less safe in
some areas. It's just kind of the nature of things.
But my thought about the second amountment with Utah, it's

(46:10):
very laxed on it's renew renewing policies and how often
it's every five years and you don't need to take
any classes or things like that. One thing that I
was thinking about is what if they could add to
this bill as well as allowing it into all federal
and you know, big event centers and things like that,

(46:33):
have it to where the renew is a little bit
more frequent, so instead of every five years, it could
be every two or three and then possibly also add
to where you know you're required to follow up on
a class or something. You know how when you reach
for your car you have to do safety and emissions. Well,
let's do the same thing with conceal carry, because you

(46:55):
know every five years, every ten years, you know, all
you have to do is send in an application with
the fifty five dollars fee or whatever it is to
renew and there you go, you have for another five years. Well,
you know, life gets busy and you don't always pick
up your gun for a while, and you know, to
train with it. So it's one of those things where
training and things is key, So why not allow it

(47:20):
in these places? And I totally agree that would be
a great thing. But make it so people you know,
have to follow.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Up on Yeah, stay stay up on the training. Good point, Josh.
All right, let's back to the phones. Devon is in
Syracuse to night here on the rod in great show.
Hi Devon, Hey guys, how's it good with jam doing well?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Doing well? Thank you.

Speaker 14 (47:44):
So I think this is a great opportunity to send
a message. I mean I I frequently talk to people.
I'm the CCW holder, and I tell people you should
carry everywhere you go everywhere you're allowed to carry. I
have no problem carrying in my kid's school. You can
do that when you have your CCW here in Utah.

(48:05):
And I think that we're one of the few states
where that's not even a question. And it kind of
goes to when we look at the kind of the
priorities that I think the state puts, we get tacked.
And I know that the Delta centers, some of these
venues get a little bit of tax dollars, and it's

(48:25):
like the double standard that people who are about personal
security say is it's we're giving we're allowed to have.
I'm sorry, I'm losing my train of thought. We're allowed
to carry to protect ourselves, and we're reliant on protecting
ourselves in and around schools and around our homes. But

(48:47):
when it comes to these venues, now you've got to
trust that we're going to do it right.

Speaker 15 (48:52):
But it's not even just in the venue. It's not
everybody goes just to the venue. Times that it's a
big deal to take your family out to a game
and you're out a doubt and maybe you take Utah
trains of authority and has nothing dad ever happened on
any of our UTA train good point this month?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, good point, good point, Devin, Thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
And I so I had a message that came in
thank you for your call. I think all that point.
But just to the point about uh, you know, mass transit.
Someone one of our listeners messaged and said that he
takes he takes the front Runner from Ogden to Salt
Lake when they go as a family too the Delta Center.
It would be nice to be able to bring a
concealed firearms strictly for the transportation part of it alone.
Getting there and getting home safely.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
That's a good point. Well, we've got a lot of calls.
Matter of fact, Clark Opposion, it is called in Clark
will ask you that thank for a few minutes you ever.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Had of the gun show, of the of the gun
of Gun Radio Utah heard exclusively here on Cannaist. It
wouldn't it be great? Wouldn't be great to hear from Clark.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well, he's going to join us, Okay, And we've got
some great talkback comments as well, so we'll get to
all those comment coming up right here on the Rodden
Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one on five nine
k n RS. Any venue, she says. I think what
she's saying Greg, any venue receiving some sort of state
support be it tax exemptions or tax breaks, they should
abide by the Second Amendment.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yes, I mean they think they have skin in the games.
So they're saying, you know that there's an nexus there,
you know Utah or Cannes has a great show on
Saturdays from three to four. Gun Radio Utah host Clark Opposion.
He's a gun rights advocate also executive director of the
Utah Sports Shooting Council, calling in and joining us. He'd
like to share some of his wisdom as a lawmaker.

(50:39):
I worked with Clark closely on Second Amendment rights. Clark,
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
Thank you very much. Okay, so you guys thought you
were going to talk about guns and not not where.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
We think you crazy, We really were, I mean, yeah,
so please.

Speaker 16 (50:56):
Driving home from the Capitol and I hear this anyway, Hey,
you know, Theta Center has for a long long time,
you know, treated treated us US gun rights, our Second
Amendment folks as second class citizens, kind of the back
of the bus mentality. You're a you're a gun owner,
you want to carry well back of the bus with
you or not even inside at all. So it's not

(51:18):
illegal to carry inside the Delta Center right now.

Speaker 8 (51:22):
It's not illegal.

Speaker 16 (51:23):
It's their rule and they enforce it with metal detectors.
And so those of those folks that don't carry and
and are and are happy with it, and they're they're
they're lolled into a sense of complacency because there's metal detectors.
Let me tell you, every time, I have never gone
to the jazz game or anything like that and not.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Had a gun with me.

Speaker 16 (51:44):
Two guns actually in fact, I'll give you some of
the secrets. You put them in the in the bottom
of your wife's purse. You have to choose kind of
a subcompact gun, so think ahead of time. But and
it really depends. It's not on the metal detector, but it's.

Speaker 12 (51:59):
The person off it.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Kind of a thing.

Speaker 16 (52:01):
I've had my you know, I've carried appendix style and
the metal detector beats and oh, sure enough, that's my
big belt buckle.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
So anyway, that sounds like you're getting around the real
gun here.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
That sounds like you're getting around I mean.

Speaker 16 (52:17):
You have to think around it. Well, they're rules, they're
not laws, though, so I'm not breaking any law. I
mean I'm breaking the same kind of law that you
would break if it says no outside fruit of beverages
at the movie theater and you sneak, sneak in your liquor.

Speaker 13 (52:34):
If they find out.

Speaker 16 (52:35):
If they find out, they can kick you out. So
that's why you keep it concealed, discreetly maintained. But hey,
we're tired of this. They take public money, they take
public money, well guess what. They are a private entity,
but they're open to the public a place of public
accommodation and folks, newsflash, the public in Utah carries guns.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, they do, they do, all right, all right, Clark.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I absolutely love it. Good good take. I don't I
don't know about the getting in. I mean, look, if
that's happening, then we may as well have some laws
to just kind of formalize it. Because you read that,
then didn't have to have to go to such lengths,
because that's that's that's disrespectful too, legally concealed carryholders. So
uh okay, let's go to Steven who's been waiting from

(53:21):
Pleasant Growth. Stephen, thank you for holding, and welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (53:27):
Thanks for taking my call, guys, I appreciate it. I
really agree with the fact that if they're going to
take public funds, they need to, you know, check their
private policies at the door. You know that that's a
fair compromise. However, I would appreciate seeing some caveats to
this scenario because of the nature of the venue where

(53:51):
you consume alcohol. Legally, we don't allow certain things if
you're consuming alcohol. I wonder if there might need to
be some caveats for alcohol consumption in connection with carrying.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Firearms, Well, what comes to my mind is the beer camp. Okay,
they got it at the hockey games. They got a
beer cam and when you get on there, if you
have a beer, they want you to guzzle it right down.
That might not mix well with you know, guns islant.

Speaker 12 (54:17):
And and as as for the as for the comment
about putting in your wife's first, the last time I
went to a hockey game, which was just a few
months ago, they confiscated everything they could off my wife,
and we had a locker where we can go put bags,
But there were no lockers that I saw labeled for firearms.

(54:38):
At the very least we need, we need a place
to put firearms, because you know, that's a capital that's
a capitalist solution to a very common issue. If we
want to call up that you know, provide the service,
let them, let us pay for it as the as
the paying public. I mean, even if the law won't
give us the right to carry in a low can

(54:59):
say you need to give us a other option, which
is have a paid lock for service.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Well, but by by providing that and paying for it, Stephen,
aren't we already paying for it by giving them tax breaks?
I mean if you think about it in a roundabout way,
we're already giving them breaks, are we not?

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (55:15):
No, I agree, I agree. I'm just I'm trying to
give some legitimacy to both sides of the argument.

Speaker 17 (55:21):
That's it.

Speaker 12 (55:21):
And quite frankly, I would say, let let them put
the whole bill that they're going to take public funds.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Amen to that, Stephen, Amen to that. Back to the
phones in Cottonwood Heights, we're talking with David tonight here
on the Ridding Greg Show. Hi David, how are you.

Speaker 17 (55:36):
I'm good?

Speaker 12 (55:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (55:37):
I'm surprised that your your gun advocate there, didn't bring
it up that this is a constitutional right.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yes we have.

Speaker 17 (55:47):
It took a long time to get what was now
called constitutional carry in the state of Utah, which means
you don't have to have a permit to carry concealed.
Now there's still some place that we're giving you some advantage,
like around the school or something. But you can't tell
someone that they can't carry. And you also can't I

(56:09):
heard another color a little while ago. Why don't you
make them do this? And why don't you make.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
Them do that?

Speaker 17 (56:15):
You know you can't do that. I mean, why don't
we tell people, Okay, we have a right to a
freedom of religion in the constitution. Why don't we say, look,
you could you can pray, but only in the in
the church building, not outside. You know, you can't make
regulations about these things. Then someone makes another regulation, and

(56:35):
they make another regulation. This is a constitutional right. We
have a right to carry. You don't have to lock
it up in a locker.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
A second amendment, I said, I called this from the
beginning that I wanted to hear the collective will of
our listeners.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
I haven't heard anyone say that they.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Think that the resident a proa cheese bill should not pass.
It sounds like everybody. I mean, even those that are
maybe have different ways of describing it, or maybe some
compromise to make sure it passes. But what you just heard,
I think is a pretty uniform opinion that we have
the right to carry our arms. If you're concealed carry

(57:18):
permit holder, you should be able to get in the venue.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
All right, More of your calls and comments from our
talkback line all coming up as the Rotting Gregg Show
rolls along on this Tuesday, and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine Kay and arrests.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
God, Welcome to the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (57:34):
Hi, how are you guys doing good?

Speaker 10 (57:37):
Good? Right?

Speaker 12 (57:38):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (57:38):
I just the caller a couple of callers ago that
was talking about how he's sneaking guns into the Delta
Center with his wife's purse or you know, in his
abdomen and whatnot. That's a little concerning when somebody who
has conceiled carry is filling the need to find ways
to sneak it into a venue where they know that
right now, privately owned venue, you know, has the right

(58:01):
to set their standards of what can and can't be
brought in. That just kind of concerns me a little bit.
But again, if some the debate about the issue of
you know, public funding and whether or not that should
affect things, I think it should. If you're going to
accept public funding, then then you should have to comply
with the laws. But at the same time, there needs

(58:22):
to be a weight of responsibility because there's some with
nefarious desires, you know, that that could do harm.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, yeah, a good point, Scott. I do get that
as well. You know, it's just it's just interesting, Greg. Well,
we'll have to see where this goes. I didn't realize
as many people here in the state of Utah have
concealed career permits, six hundred and fifty, almost fifty eight
thousand people in this state.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Six hundred fifty. That is, it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I love it, a lot of folks.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
We are able to protect ourselves in this state.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I love it, and we should be able to. Let's go. Oh,
by the way, I understand the NHL and NBA have
rules you cannot bring guns into their their venues for games.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
Rules.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Let's go to Jack and Tremont hear what he has
to say tonight on the Rodden Greg Show. Hi Jack,
how are you.

Speaker 12 (59:14):
I'm good, Thanks, thanks for taking my call. I'm one
of those, you know, six hundred thousand plus concealed carry holders,
and my issue. You know it's already been mentioned, the alcohol,
but you know, sporting events can get pretty intense as well.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (59:35):
I just think that some of the responsibility that comes
along with having a concealed carry permit includes knowing what
venues and what events are appropriate for that and I think,
you know, things could get heated. I've seen it. I'm
sure we have all seen you know, altercations of sorts,

(59:56):
and I just feel like it's not a great idea
to be packing in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
That a good point, Jack, I mean, I understand that,
but you do have a right to do that. But hey,
you do get heated at games.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So there's there's tempers, and there's and there's booze, there's
the beer. Can you get a lot of booze flowing
into hockey games?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I haven't been to a jazz game in a million years.
I don't know that they but they really do. I
mean I think maybe when the when the Mammoth came,
it might have been a record for beer consumption.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Weren't they restricted? He right, what do you do get
two beers out of an event? Don't you have to
get a wristband or something? Or those games? Does does that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
That I know of? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
No, I didn't know that. I know some place do
you get a wristband? I think towards this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
End of the game they might stop serving. But yeah,
I think that. And that's not me saying that I
think we should prohibit them from entering. I'm just saying
that those are interesting variables in this discussion. And I
again I I. I actually, I'm glad that our listeners
called in because I think I'm more for represent Perche's bill. Now, yeah,

(01:00:59):
understand then I am. Then I was prior. I think
these were really good, common sense, really smart observations.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Let's go back, let's go to our talk back line listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Orth og.

Speaker 19 (01:01:10):
Then, one of the reasons why it would be good
to be able to bring it gun into these venues
is because you don't want to leave it in your car.
Too many firearms are stolen from cars and people know
that if you come with a firearm, that would have
to be left in a car. So thanks again for

(01:01:31):
everything you do. You guys have a great show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Well that's a that's a very good point you've made
about leaving it in your car.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yeah, that can be dangerous as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Y sure can. Back to another talkback listener.

Speaker 20 (01:01:42):
Hey, guys, So I'm not sure, but do they not
serve alcohol at these at these venues?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:01:51):
And if so, constitutional carry or carry permit does not
allow you to be in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
A bar or a place where they alcohol. So is
that even a conflict anyway? That's it interesting point. Is
there a conflict there?

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Well, that's news to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
You can't go into a bar or a lounge where
they can still carry Well, you're getting kicked out at
the pub.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Did not hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Now? All right, back to the phones, our back talk
back line.

Speaker 21 (01:02:22):
Hey, Rod and Greg. Hey, if I can take my
gun into the Delta Center, can I take my pocket
knife too? I always have a pocket knife with me,
and I hate having to, uh, you know, forget it's
in my pocket and show up there and go through
the metal detector and have them take it from me.
Either that or I got to go find a bush
to hide it in. Anyway, if I can take a

(01:02:44):
gun into the to a public place like that, can
I take my pocket knife?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
That's a good point about the pocket knife.

Speaker 16 (01:02:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Avery told me a story where his friend he had
the like, was it, I'm gonna hike all the way back?
Am I gonna pay thirty bucks for the locker? This
is in Seattle. For a pocket knife, it's not worth
as much a small one. It's like on a keychain.
Or does he throw it away? It's again the poor
guy ends up having to throw it away because he
doesn't want to walk all the way back to the car,
and he doesn't want to rent the locker that's worth
that costs more than the keychain pocket knights that he

(01:03:12):
didn't remember he had on his keychain.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
So that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Too, very good point. All right, appreciate your phone calls.
Interesting discussion coming up next on the Rounding Greg Show,
taking the federal path on the redistrict team fight. We'll
talk to a member of Utah's congressional delegation. Coming up next,
stay with us. By the way, super Bowl, you know,
is coming up on Sunday. I can't wait really for

(01:03:40):
I don't have any skin in the game. I care
which team.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
I't been there for so long. I haven't had skin
again for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Your team has been there. Mine hasn't been there for centuries.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
But I still like the Super Bowl. I like the
Seahawks in this game. I mean, you know, it's it's
amazing that the Patriots have rebuilt in their back, but
I think that I just think Seattle's a much bear team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, I tend to believe that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
By the way, a lot of concern well about what
bad Bunny is going to do during the halftime show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Well he's not giving us good tells. It's going to
be an acceptable.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Show, maybe like wearing a dress.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yeah, speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
If you want to understand my songs, you need to
learn Spanish. And then he had a lot to say
about Ice at the Grammy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
So I don't know. Good doll.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
The commissioner of the NFL says, this is going to
be a unifying concert.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Yeah, that's what good yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
And he just said this last week, said this yesterday,
So we'll see. Well someone will see because I won't
be watching the halftime ship.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Well, let's talk about redistricting here in the state of Utah.
This battle goes on and on thanks to a state
judge what's your name, dirty Diana and yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
That on auto loop.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
She wanted to be a map maker and so she
just went out there and went rogue and I said, hey,
this left of center organization, can you help me make maps?
And they said, ooh that sounds fun. No public participation,
no elected officials, and ash prari state constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
But you know details, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Her major in school may have been law, but she
may have had a minor in map making.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yes, maybe she's split houses in that map she had.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Divided. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Well, state lawmakers have gone through the state avenue to
try and challenge this and to delay it whatever. But
now there is an effort to go through the federal level.
Congressman Burgess Owens and Congresswoman Celeste Maloy, along with a
number of other sheriffs and Southern Utah officials, have filed
a federal lawsuit against the redistrict clean Plan, and Representative

(01:05:39):
Maloy is joining us on our news make a line
to talk about that. Representative. How are you Welcome back
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back. And before
you start asking me questions, I just want to point
out I also have a law agree, but I started
my career as a cartography eight, so I did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Do matt making. Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
I mean even I know not the way it should go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Wow? You have you are?

Speaker 12 (01:06:03):
You are?

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
I keep mocking that this judge is not a map maker,
but she aspires to be. You are a map maker,
So you really know she's out of her league?

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Ye, harder than it looks she should have studied.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, let's talk about this. A lot of
efforts being to delay or stop this or throw this
ruling out on the state level. You've decided to go
through the federal level.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Why because the state is appealing on the state level,
and they should be, but we need answers and we're
going to run out of time. I should have filed
to run for office a month ago. Yes, we usually
file the first week in January. It's now the first
week in February, and we still don't have answers. So

(01:06:46):
in order to make sure we're exhausting all of our
remedies as quickly as possible, we decide to do this
concurrent appeal to the federal court, just to make sure
that we don't get to the end of the state
appeal and wish we dumbas.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
You know in this lawsuit, I noticed it's yourself Congress
from virgess Owens, but you have county commissioners from a
lot of different counties in Utah, but particularly in Washington County,
the largest county that's off of the waste that's not
part of the Washtetche front. Washington County commissioners have signed
onto this lawsuit and have actually indicated that if it's
a vote, if their clerk is telling them there's a

(01:07:21):
vote required to redraw the maps. As for what Judge
Gibson said, they're not doing it. They're voting no because
they read the constitution state constitution plainly. But you also
have the mayor of Saint George, Jimmy Hughes. You have
sheriffs of you know, Kane County, sheriff, Sheriff Glover, Chad Jensen,
he's the sheriff in Cash County, Mike Smith, the sheriff
of Utah County. So you have a number of duly

(01:07:43):
elected representatives or public servants who have joined you in
this lawsuit because what it impacts them as well, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Congress Warman, Yeah, you know, the sheriffs are constitutional officers.
They take a note to uphold the constitution just like
we do. And these county commissioners have each of them
have unique impacts from this. So in order to have
standing in federal court, you have to show a personalized harm.
It can't be a generalized term. So we talk about

(01:08:11):
the generalized rms in there. But in order to establish standing,
we have talked about how we've each been harmed and
we felt like we had a duty, each of us
individually and all of us collectively to make sure that
the people of Utah have a voice. So the United
States Constitution says that state legislatures draw maps, and the
reason it says that is because state legislatures are representative

(01:08:34):
of the entire state. Our state constitution says that the
state legislature draws the maps because again they collectively as
a body, represent the entire state, so they have to
go back and be accountable to the entire state. But
what we have here is neither the Independent Redistricting Commission

(01:08:54):
nor the state legislature drawing the maps. And look, I
signed the petition against Prop four. I think we shoul
would repeal Prop four. But even if you like Prop four,
you should be furious about this map.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I represent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I want to ask you this question. And Greg and
I have talked about this on this show. This's a
very very important decision. But I don't know if the
public really truly understands what's going on here. I mean,
what needs to be said to the public to convince
them to be concerned about this because a lot of
people are looking at this going well Prop four, I
voted for it. Why is the state legislature trying to
overturn this thing?

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Yeah, So I've had a lot of these conversations, as
you can probably imagine. And the thing I try to
help people understand is that even in Prop. Four they
recognize that the Utah Constitution says the legislature drops the maps.
So what they called for was an independent commission to
give maps to the state legislature in an advisory capacity.

(01:09:52):
What we have is not that. What we have is
the judge selected the map from plaintiffs. If you are
unhappy about these maps, if you don't like that we
created a blueberry in Salt Lake City, who do you
hold accountable for that? You can't vote against the judge. Well,
you can in a retention election, but she's not going

(01:10:13):
out and accounting to the public for how she arrived
at this conclusion. The legislature, when they do their maps,
they hold public hearing, they take input, and they have
relationships all over their districts of necessity, so they have
a finger on the pulse of the communities that they represent.
A judge is not in that same position. And then

(01:10:33):
the map was drawn by plaintiffs, which are ideological groups.
You can't go unelect those ideological groups.

Speaker 12 (01:10:41):
They don't have to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
Come to a public hearing with you. They don't have
to stand on a stage at a town hall and
answer your questions. Elected officials do all of those things,
so if you think you know, sure. Somebody stopped me
outside Walmart with a petition and asked, do I think
an independent districting commissions sounds fair? And I said yes,
you should really look at the outcome of what we

(01:11:05):
have as a result of that and rethink whether that's
more fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
We're speaking with Congressman Celest molloy, congresswoman of the second
Congressional District, filing a lawsuit with many other public servants
in the state of Utah. Burgess Owens, another member of
Congress looking for federal relief and looking at the federal
path with a lawsuit to get some resolution here. And
I think there is a strong nexus. I'm glad. I
felt like Texas went this route and they went to

(01:11:32):
the federal route and they were able to get a
clarity very quickly, and I think that's what we need here.
I have to ask you this, and it's of all
the names I see of public servants, I'm not seeing
Congressman Blake Moore's name here. He's a member of House Leadership.
This certainly impacts him as well. You don't have to
speak for him. But your colleagues, you go to cant

(01:11:53):
you're part of the delegation. What has he told you
is his reason for not joining you and Congressman Owens
in this lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
He hasn't really given a reason, and I haven't asked
for one. And I think you'll understand this, Greg, as
a guy who was part of the state legislature. Sometimes
you just arrive at different conclusions and you just got
to go out and tell the public this is why
I did it this way, and the other person says,
this is why I did it this way, and kind
of let the chips fall where they may. First, I

(01:12:24):
was worried that having members of Congress filing suit would
look like we were, you know, complaining that we didn't
get what we wanted. But once I talked to the
other plaintiffs and we worked on the language, I was like, no,
this doesn't just look like we're being whity. This is
something we have to do. Yeah, And some of my

(01:12:45):
colleagues just didn't feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Represent A final question for you, how much the fact
that this, as you pointed out, is still up in
the air and you need a decision fairly quickly. How
is this impacting your ability? You just decide, you know, okay,
where the boundary? How are we going to set this up?
How much is that impacting your campaign? We're only what
ten months away from the general the midterm elections in November.

(01:13:08):
How is it impacting your campaign?

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
It's a one campaign impact. I should be in full
campaign mode right now, working really hard in the counties
I represent. What I don't know is what.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
The map will look like the counties represent. You don't
know what the counties are.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
These are minor changes. I mean, it's not like they
moved the line by a few blocks here and there.
Now these are drastically different districts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Interesting, representative, Thank you, We appreciate a few minutes of
your time.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
That is State or Congresswoman celest Maloy joining us on
our Newsmaker line, talking about you know, you got to go.
You have to go after it every which way you can,
and time is running short.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
I've always wanted this federal process because I saw what
these judges did, and it was easier because it was
a federal lawsuit in Texas. So they just I mean
a tenant governor of Texas said yeah, nice, but you know,
we have our election, We're going to do this. It'll
be litigated, and when we get to the end of that,
I'll let you know. Our lieutenant governor took the decision
of Diana Gibson as if it were the final and

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ultimate say and instructed everybody, with no real time to
do it, to start redrawing those maps as per what
governor or I should call her governor. She thinks she's
a lieutenant governor. She thinks she's the legislature Judge Gibson
told her to do. And I really believe that there
was a federal route that we could get the US
Supreme Court to look at this very quickly, at an
expedit level.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
And we need it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
We just need it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I think the governor, lieutenant governor, and I've said this before,
should have stopped this before it even got started. Yeah,
I should have just said, we do not accept this map, Judge.
It is against the law, and we are not going
to accept it. We're moving forward the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I can't think of anything that more black and white
violates our state constitution than this judge and a left
of center group, private group drawing the congressional maps for
this state. It doesn't. It just doesn't pass a laugh test,
let alone a smell test.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
All right, more to come. It is the Rod and
Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one five nine.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Okay, n R S.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I wonder how Utah centder Mike Lee is feeling tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I honestly, I can't believe what I'm reading, So I
think I must have it wrong, because I think i'm
reading that the Majority Leader John Thune John Tune is
now announcing that he will not be putting the Save
Act on the floor for a vote. For a floor
vote that he said prior to the passage of the
budget would only require fifty one votes to pass, which

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meant it didn't have to be in the budget. It
was going to get its own up or down vote.
And I think I'm reading but it's hard for me
to believe that after that bill passed and got the
requisite votes, and there are people in the House that
didn't want to vote for it. Tim Burchett from Tennessee.
There's others that didn't want to vote for it. But
with the idea that the Senate was going to vote
on that Save Act that would require an id to vote,

(01:15:50):
they did it, and no sooner than that did President
Trump sign that into law.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
I believe he's now announcing I'm not putting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, Yeah, he has come. I mean he been fighting
this for what two three, maybe even longer than that.
Year's right, he has come this close and gutless. Thune
will not move forward with this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I think he lied. I'm telling you he cut a
deal saying we will put that up to an upper
down vote that only needs fifty one votes on the
Senate floor, will procedurally, we will do this. Don't don't
drag down the budget bill.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
We'll do this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
And now I believe he's saying it's so surreal. I
think I have to not understand the circumstances. But it
looks like he is completely renegging on that deal. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yeah, and that's too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
I mean, even CNN and our good friend, the data guru,
old data data guru, Harry Enton and CNN looked at
the polling on the voter id. Listen to this report
and what they've found out.

Speaker 22 (01:16:45):
Let's to take a look here, favorite voter idea to vote. Look,
I got all this polling on the screen going back
since twenty eighteen. You'll notice on all of it. It's
all north of seventy five percent, seventy six percent, seventy
six percent, seventy six percent, eighty one percent, and then
eighty three in the last year of Americans agree with
Nicki Minaj. They favor photo ID to be able to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
What about by party? What's the party berg?

Speaker 22 (01:17:09):
Yeah, normally you might expect, hey, there'd be a big
divide by party, but Republicans really forward in, Democrats really
against it, but not really here. I mean, just take
a look here, favorite photo idea vote. You got ninety
five percent of Republicans, pretty much all of them, but
even seventy one percent of Democrats favorite photo ID to vote.
So again Nicki Minaj posting that on x And what

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you see is is that the American people, actually, it's
not really all that controversial. The American people are with
Nicki Minaj, whether they are Republican or even if they
are Democrats, who are talking about seven to ten Democrats
agreeing with Nicki Minaj that you, in fact should show
a voter photo ID to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Now, on top of that, greg you would think, okay,
how about minorities in this country? How do they feel
about it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
The Democrats have always argued that, well, blacks wouldn't vote
if they had to show ID. Right, Yes, not the case.
I mean, listen to this favor voter ID to vote.
Eighty five percent of white people, okay, eighty two percent
of Latinos and seventy six percent of Black Americans vote

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in favor of photo ID. Well, yeah, I mean, come on,
john Thune.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Johnson, I will tell you that that they are just
they are just aiding and a betting. What is only
the Democrats way to game the system. And I'm convinced
if they don't get rid of this zombie filibuster, if
they want to talk endlessly to try and hold up
a vote to buy time, which is what it was
for originally, that's one thing. But this where you don't
even have to darken the door of the chamber and
just say, uh, filibuster, we just by by our just

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our whim, we want to do it. And you can
see the stats on how this has been abused from
really in the nineties, it wasn't even abused to this degree.
You're seeing the abuse of it so severely as of late. Well,
they're gonna get They're gonna get rid of the electoral
College as soon as if they get to the in
everything pendulum swings, the Democrats are going to have the
majority of that. They'll have both houses at some point,

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the House and the Senate. When they do, we will
lose the electoral college. We will have Puerto Rico and Washington,
DC that will be made states that'll give them four senators.
I mean there's I mean, there's all kinds of things
that are going to happen. They will open the border,
They're going to do things that will change politically. And
the reason they're confident about it is they will have
gained it so that the Republican Party will never see

(01:19:22):
a day of majority in Congress again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Again, we've got callers wing in on this. Let's go
to Rex and Sandy. He wants to talk about the
same Act. Hi, Rex, how are you? Thanks for joining
the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Hi, I'm doing great.

Speaker 17 (01:19:35):
Let me tell you so.

Speaker 23 (01:19:36):
I'm an immigrant. I'm also a former Marine veteran served
in the Gulf War, and the same Act makes it
extremely difficult for people like me to vote. My driver's
license doesn't Sami, US citizen my DD two to fourteen
from the Marine Corps of the SAMA citizen. I don't
have a US birth certificate, my naturalization paiper from fifty

(01:19:57):
years ago were gone. Are replacements five hundred dollars, And
unless I have a passport, I would not be able
to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Well, that's what I don't ask who don't.

Speaker 17 (01:20:10):
I do?

Speaker 23 (01:20:11):
But that means I would have to keep the current
But my mom, who no longer travels, who's been a
citizen for fifty years, she doesn't have a passport. She
would have to go get pay two hundred dollars to
get a passport in order to exercise her ability to vote.
That's right, straight tick of Republic.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Oh, I would rather she didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Are you okay with your vote? Your vote being canceled
out by people that aren't don't have these circumstances that
you or your mother do, but are actually voting and shouldn't,
don't have any any legal reason to vote. If they
are able to vote, they take even if you voted,
they're canceling out your vote.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Don't you worry about that?

Speaker 17 (01:20:46):
There is zero there?

Speaker 24 (01:20:48):
Okay?

Speaker 23 (01:20:49):
So the Heritage Foundation, Right Publishers and Project twenty twenty five,
they have a database of election fraud you go on there.
There are zero cases in Utah of illegal aliens or
a non citizen voting. The only instances they have are
three people US citizens who voted in two thousand and
eight by saying they lived in Daggett County so they

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can vote for share. You have zero instances of illegal
aid or a non citizen voting in Utah and across
the country. The Motor Voter Act is an amazing law.
I would say it's the most effective law we've ever had.
It says, when you register to vote, you give them
your information. You give them your Social Security number, your address.

(01:21:31):
They go check that against the federal database. It's actually
called Safe two. I think it's a systematic alien verification program.
They check and say, yes, Rod is a US citizen.
Go ahead and add them.

Speaker 25 (01:21:45):
Too your voter role.

Speaker 23 (01:21:47):
That has over the last over twenty years, we've had
over a billions of votes and you can only find
fifty people that work citizens the vote.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
I mean, so do you do you have a driver's license?

Speaker 23 (01:22:04):
Because we do, but it doesn't say I'm a citizen?

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Well, I D is is what they're asking for?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah, all right, Rex makes interest.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I needed I needed something that I need a passport
or my birth certificate to renew my driver's license. I'm
telling you you need for Utah, you need you need
to have that or it's a driver's privilege card. You
need to show that you're a citizen to have it.
And then from that driver's license that used your proof
of your citizenship. You use that that driver's license for
all kinds of things more than just voting, going to pharmacies,

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going to airports, going to to you know, to schools
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
So yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Right, more coming up the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n R S.
We have a brand new show coming up called Our
American Stories. Is quite a show and I think you'll
very I mean, it's different from what we do where
we talked about the issues throughout the day today, but
on this show, they tell great American stories. I was
listening to a they sent me. I wanted to hear
exactly what they did. They had a story on Paul Harvey,

(01:23:04):
and everyone knows I think most people know. Maybe the
younger generation does know who Paul Harvey was, but so
many people admired Paul Harvey. It was from the Midwest,
raised in the Midwest, did not know his father was
shot and killed by Roberts like when he was back
in nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
But it's called Our American Stories, and we hope to
be able to bring it to you starting next Monday
from ten to eleven right here on talk Radio one
oh five nine, canterests.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Hey, our last call.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Right before we hit the brake, we had a caller
that called in and said that his mother and he
himself and his mother would not be able to vote.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
I looked at the law.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Just double check if you're getting a driver's license for
the first time right now, or if you want a
real ID, which is the only way you can get
on an airplane, you know, go to an airport and
get on a domestic flight in the United States, you
have to provide either the passport or or your burster TOV.
There are other alternatives like a consular report of birth abroad,
a certificate of naturalization. You have to do the things

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he said, it's impossible to do.

Speaker 10 (01:24:02):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
If you don't do those things, then you don't get
a driver's license in the state of Utah at least now.
And if you don't have the real ID. You don't
get to fly right now. Federally that law is pasting
O five. So I don't know again if everyone wants
to make this way harder than it is. We have
IDs for pharmacies, we have it for hospitals, airports, hotels, casinos, schools,
your Social Security DMV, I get. The list goes on,

(01:24:25):
and yet when you get to getting to the ballot box,
all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Oh, this is way too hard.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Doesn't matter, does it? Interesting? Boy?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Is there blowback right now? Greg on Billie Eilish and
her stolen ground stolen land comment. Yes, the tribe that
her home sits on, her fourteen million dollar home then
sits on they want the land back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Well rightly. So she said she stole it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
She said, she absolutely stole it all, and then she
doesn't want to even give it back. I find it rude.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Well, the outrage machine in Hollywood. It was on display
the other night at the Grammys. Let's talk more about that.
Joining us on our the Newsmaker line is our good
friend Amanda Head. She has White House correspondent for Just
the News. She wrote about this today, Amanda, how are
you welcome back to The Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 24 (01:25:09):
Hello, guys, thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Well, let's talk about what happens Sunday night with the
Grammys and the perpetual outrage machine that Hollywood loves to
live in. What are your thoughts on.

Speaker 24 (01:25:20):
At Amanda, Oh my goodness, I mean what the topic
de jure this time was ice?

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
There's always got to be something.

Speaker 24 (01:25:29):
In fact, I don't remember a cycle of awards shows.

Speaker 8 (01:25:32):
You know, they all happen around this time.

Speaker 24 (01:25:34):
Of year, with the exception of the Emmys, which I
think are in the fall. But you've got the Golden
Globes and then the Grammys and then the Oscars, of course,
and they pretty much all piggyback off of each other,
and it almost seems like they try to one up
each other. And we knew what was going to be
coming this time around because at the Golden Globes back
in January they were doing this this same garbage.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
And the unfortunate thing is that.

Speaker 24 (01:25:57):
You know, this this mirrors a lot of the holly
with activism that we have seen in the past. You know,
a few years ago it was Palestine, and then it
was Ukraine before that, and you know, hands up don't
shoot and Black Lives Matter, and I mean this has
happened practically for the entire life of these awards, and
I think it mattered at one point, guys. I think

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that there was a phase of time, you know, I
think back to when I was a teenager and young
twenties and Rock the Vote, and I think there was
a time when pop culture had a pretty significant influence.

Speaker 8 (01:26:32):
And don't get me wrong, I.

Speaker 24 (01:26:33):
Think there is a significant portion, especially of young America,
that they influenced. But look no further than the twenty
twenty four election to see that most Americans unless you
are this young, impressionable, thirsty for attention type team, because
let's face it, that's how everyone is as a team.
Unless you are that, then the opinions of Hollywood just

(01:26:56):
don't matter anymore. And you know, especially with what we
are seeing with this story that I wrote for Just
the News, I felt it pertinent to highlight some of
the polling because a lot of people are looking at
the news, They're looking at mainstream media and look, I
was in Mexico last weekend. I ditched the winter storm
in Washington. They seen that it came back to bite
me in the butt. So my flights kept getting canceled.

Speaker 25 (01:27:18):
So I ended up in Mexico washing my socks.

Speaker 24 (01:27:20):
In the sink for five days. But nonetheless, I was
in Mexico and I'm seeing all of this coverage on
TV of Minnesota, and you know, visually, you're thinking to yourself, Okay,
so obviously most Americans aren't for this.

Speaker 8 (01:27:35):
Well, of course that's not the case.

Speaker 24 (01:27:36):
Of course, the reason that Donald.

Speaker 8 (01:27:37):
Trump won, and one.

Speaker 24 (01:27:38):
So resoundingly, is because Americans are on board with that,
because this was you know, whether people want to admit it,
this was his This was.

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
His number one policy point.

Speaker 24 (01:27:47):
People saw what happened, They saw what Joe Biden did,
the tens of millions who came.

Speaker 8 (01:27:52):
Across the southern border, the hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 24 (01:27:55):
Of miners who got lost in the interior of the country,
who still, you know, have not been recovered. And people
said no more. So you look at the poll and
there are two different polls, and these are not This
is not you know, some some right wing think tank
who's only calling you know, Republicans in West Virginia.

Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
This is signal.

Speaker 24 (01:28:15):
And the Harvard Cats par Harvard Cat's Harris Pole, and
both of them showed a vast majority, not just a
skinny majority, A vast majority of Americans still still support
deporting illegal immigrants. So you know, you can look at
the TV and you can believe what the TV is
telling you, or you can believe what's happening when people

(01:28:36):
pick up the phone and they call Americans and they say,
how is this affecting your life? What's your impression of
the Democrat Party pushing this this aggression towards Ice, Because
at the end of the day, people, I think the
American people are still very much a law enforcement loving
country and this is law enforcement. So Democrats are fighting
an uphill battle. I understand that when they get up

(01:28:58):
to the podium that the Grammy or the Golden Globe
for the oscars, that they are helping their own cause
because amongst their own peer group, amongst their contemporaries, it's
important for them to say things like this even if
they have no idea what they're talking about, which is
ninety nine percent of the time. But it's not helping
the Democrat Party because the Democrat Party is pushing out
the message that the American people just don't agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
So here's my question. I seem to recall that you
might have had a touch on Hollywood. It seemed like
you once shared a story that you used to serve,
you know, wait tables and working, hard working young person.
Maybe I'm wrong and I don't remember that, but I
thought I had there was some touch that you've had
with that part of you know, California in the world.
My question is, I think it's just rank hypocrisy. I

(01:29:39):
don't think a single person at that awards ceremony is
doing anything but virtue signaling. I think that there's I
think you're right, there was a time Live AID, there
was maybe a time where they could contribute in a
positive way. But what you see today, I think are
people that think what they're saying puts them creates that
virtue signaling and they don't mean it. They don't have it.
But I'm asking you, do you think any of them

(01:30:01):
are genuinely concerned that they're living on stolen land but
don't want to give it back. But you know, they
have all these protests, but they don't act on any
of it. Tell me about Hollywood, is it any of that?
Is any of it substantive?

Speaker 24 (01:30:14):
No, this is not Live AID or its predecessor USO,
this is not any of that, And you're right. I
used to Our home base.

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
Is Los Angeles, and I was in the music industry for.

Speaker 24 (01:30:25):
Ten years, writing for various record labels, and then I
was I did my own.

Speaker 8 (01:30:31):
Thing as a as an artist.

Speaker 24 (01:30:33):
But the reason that I left the music industry is because.

Speaker 8 (01:30:38):
This is what's funny.

Speaker 24 (01:30:40):
Every recording contract I had, whether it was with a
label or a music manager, there were three things that
I was not allowed to talk about. I couldn't talk
about religion. I couldn't talk about boyfriends if I was
in a relationship because they wanted you to appear single.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
And I could not talk about politics.

Speaker 24 (01:30:57):
That's why I.

Speaker 8 (01:30:58):
Left the music industry.

Speaker 24 (01:31:00):
Now, if I was talking about politics the way that
they are talking about politics, I'm sure.

Speaker 8 (01:31:04):
It wouldn't have been an issue.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
But that's why.

Speaker 24 (01:31:07):
I left Hollywood because I was tired of being muggled.
But what's funny is that since then, you know, I
don't go on Facebook often, but whenever I do, I
have these memories that pop up. Some of them, some
of them are from while I was in the music industry,
and I look at what I'm saying and I'm like, wow,
I was totally in breach of contracts because I was
running my mouth even back then.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Yeah, for you, Amanda, let me ask you this. I
mean that entire town cannot be cuckoo for Coco Pops?

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Are they? I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Are there some fair minded, common sense people in that
town who are just afraid to say anything?

Speaker 8 (01:31:41):
Listen, I will say this.

Speaker 24 (01:31:42):
I know for a lot of people, they look at
someone like me living in Los Angeles and they think
to themselves, how on earth can you live there?

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
Drive me crazy? Listen.

Speaker 24 (01:31:50):
I lived there long enough that and I was loud
enough about how I felt that I managed to I
attracted people. I attracted like minded people. So my husband
and I have managed to insulate ourselves about two hundred
people deep.

Speaker 25 (01:32:08):
Of people who who are who think like us both
politically and religiously, you know, very very strong believers, and
they are on the same side as we are when
it comes to politics.

Speaker 24 (01:32:22):
Now that it's taken a long time to cultivate that,
I'm not saying that you can, you know, move to
LA and moved to Hollywood and immediately find that. It
took a lot of years of me, frankly being being
who I am, which is the mouth of the South
and letting people know who I am.

Speaker 25 (01:32:38):
And you know, birds.

Speaker 24 (01:32:40):
Of a feather slot together, right, So, and you know,
I was in the entertainment industry for a while. My
husband still is. And no, it's not the entire industry,
but you do have these people who I think that
you know, I think it's emotional clout. It's obviously social clout.
But at some point, and look at what we're seeing
right now. You know, you think how big the trans

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issue was and how much Hollywood supported trans kids.

Speaker 8 (01:33:07):
I mean, I think it was Bill.

Speaker 24 (01:33:08):
Maher who did a monologue criticized in Hollywood because he
was saying, you can't go to a dinner party on
the West Side and not encounter eight out of ten
people who have kids who are gender fluid or something.
And now look at what just happened. You had the
I can't remember the acronym, but basically the American Medical
Boards for plastic surgeons come out and to revoke everything.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
They said, yeah they did.

Speaker 8 (01:33:30):
I yeah, So.

Speaker 24 (01:33:31):
I hope that this is one of those things that
you know, a couple of years from now, maybe it'll
take longer. They'll think, wow, okay, a legal immigration is
not great for our country, and I'm glad that Donald
Trump was doing that. I don't think they will ever
say anything glowing about Donald Trump, but maybe they'll get totout.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Amanda, it's always a pleasure to have you on the air.
Thank you very much for joining us. Enjoy the rest
of the evening.

Speaker 8 (01:33:55):
Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
All right, Amanda ahead from just the News talking about
the perpetual outrage machine in Washington. Final thoughts coming up
on the Roden Gregg Show. Three Dog Knight lead singer.
He died today, years old. Three Dog Knight, Yeah, Three
Dog Knight a lot of hits. I think they were
supposed to be here in concert in a couple of weeks,

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I think, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
I, well, he won't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
He won't feeling I don't even know if he was.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
I don't think he's doing well. Don't think he's gonna
make the concert.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Sure, just make fun of the poor man who just
died today.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Well, no, you say he's supposed to be in concert.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
I think that's his name, something like that. Yeah, he
passed away today. Huh Oh it was Chuck Negron, Thank you,
thank you. I had it written down incorrectly. But they
have a lot of big hits passed away today. You
know what's Friday?

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Lonesome loser?

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
That that's that's uh little river by saying one is
the loneliest Oh, yes, Eli is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Remember all those songs.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
One is the loneliest number.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
You'll overdue? I remember that? Remember?

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Okay, a football game coming up on Sunday? Yes, in sports,
like what is it? Baseball for sure and football for sure?
Analytics is kind of taken over. Would you agree?

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Yeah? And I don't agree with it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
I think this idea that we that the NFL now
hates field goals. They never kick a field goal. It's
an easy three points, get off the field, you got three.
They always go for it on fourth down. Then if
they miss, they're always behind the curve. I don't understand
the analytics, I think are silly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Well, analytics is now apparently, are you ready for this?
I don't know how they're going to do it moving
into rodeos.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, I have no idea either. I think this is
the modern day snake oils.

Speaker 12 (01:35:37):
What I think.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
I think this is the stuff these guys used to
sell on the street that would fix everything.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, apparently they're using it now to determine, you know,
the bull, the rider. I don't know how they use it,
but apparently analytics is now moving into the world of
rodeo cowboys to help them ride a bull for eight seconds.
It's all you need to do is be on that
ball for that Analytics is working. I think it's again.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
I don't buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
I mean, I'm sure it works in some places, but
where I keep seeing on these football games, analytics say
go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
See I really I totally disagree with you. Can I
tell you I love them going for fourth down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
It might be more exciting, but if you're trying to
win a game, you'd put the points on the board.
The only time you should go for it on fourth
down is when you're down by more points and you
think you have time on the clock left to get
the ball and score.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
That's it. It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
If you're going for it on fourth down in the
first quarter instead of kicking the field goal, I think
you're a big dummy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
You're nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
That's my football take.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Thank you all right for us tonight head up fielders back,
May God bless you and your family and this great
country of ours. Have a good Tuesday. We're back with
wing man Wednesday Tomorrow at four

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