The Rod and Greg Show: Socialism in the GOP; "Selfie Generation" is Baby Boomer's Fault

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know you had some work today down in Kane County.
You're banking your way back. I had a chance to
stop in Penguige. We'll enjoy the night life of panguage
start and then head back tomorrow. Right, that is correct.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Now, I would never miss a show.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
I don't care where you are in the world. I
am going to be on That's right. I wouldn't miss
So it's good to be here. Well, I know you're jealousy.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, you can hear my voice as well. We've got
our work cut out for us today. You know why, Greg,
why we need to console Abby? Her team lost.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I know she just announced that score, so just with
a straight fage. That's why she's a professional. She did
not You didn't hear the quiver in her voice. She
didn't hear the anger. I don't know what she looked like.
I don't know if the veins you could see him
on her forehead. But I think England was well on
their way to at least tie a game they're going
to win, and then you thought, oh my, this was

(00:55):
going to go to overtime, and then boom.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I think there were six or four minutes left and
Argentina tied it. Up and within it a matter of minutes,
came back and got a second goal and Argentina beats
the UK today two to one, much to Abigail's sagarn.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, poor Abby. I you know, I'm not one to,
you know, cheer for the Brits generally. I've been against
them since seventeen seventy six. On this in this case,
I was for Abby. I was really hoping they pull
it off.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, another day, another year, another four years. As a
matter of fact, all right, one other thing I want
to bring up today before we get into the show,
because we've got a great show lined up for you
again today today, Greg is National hot Dog Day.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh okay, do you like the hot dogs?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
What do you put on your dog?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Ketchup, mustard and relish?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I can go, I can.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I like to twist the dog.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I put it all on and then I twist the
dog around so it gets all over the whole thing
I twisted.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Where did you learn that trick?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I don't know, just since a kid. I've been doing
it since the Pirate baseball games.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is a kid? Yeah, to put it all on, you
line it all up and then you twist it.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
In my opinion, it's all over. Yeah, Ketchup does not
belong on a hot dog only mustard only mustard dog.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You are an outlier.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I don't know anyone that doesn't love Ketchup, especially
heines Ketchup on their hot time.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Take a wild guess as to how many hot dogs
we consume every year?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
When you say we, do you mean you?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That might be a different number.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
The world in channel, the world.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
In general collectively, the Royal the Royal wing a million?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
How about twenty billion?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
No with a B that's fake? No, No, would that
come out of MS now?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
No, they tell you that CNN.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, the hot dog lobbies in full effect of twenty billion.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, your break, Well that's what they say. I'm just
sharing the information with you. All right. Here's what we've
got lined up first hour of the show today. There's
a new boss over at the Sullolan Institute, someone you
and I both know. State Senator Todd de Wiler is
going to move in to be the new head of
the Ceblolin Institute. Sendra Wyler will be joining us here
in a few minutes. We'll talk about what he hopes
to do with a Ceblllolin Institute and there's a disturbing

(03:21):
survey out Greg today that says socialism is starting to
impact the gop.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You know, it's poising everything else. This is supposed to
be our last refuge. Yeah, the Grand Old Party.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's what it says. We'll talk about that. Plus, we've
got a lot more to get to today. Always great
to have you along for the ride. It is the
Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN R. S Now. I want
to share a couple of stories Greg as we start
off the show today. So with some crazy Democrats, and
I'm going to start off with the craziest of all Democrats.
Are you ready for this one? Joe Biden, in a

(03:57):
video that he posted online today, has announced that he
has written a memoir.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I warned you too about this in our morning show
call that this memoir was coming out, but you didn't
see him face. But I think more information about this
memoir came out that made it maybe more noteworthy.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yes, well, let me let you hear just a few
about a minute's worth of this video that dropped on
social media today introducing his brand new memoir.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I've written a book about my time as president. It's
called Promise Me America. It's coming on November. It's available
for career odor now. It's about the challenge me face
as a nation, about the decisions I made, why I made.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Them, leading in the country through COVID, rebuilding our economy,
and restoring our democracy after the attack on January sixth,
Any nation's longest warn if.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Is supporting Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's about why I chose to run for re election
and why I chose to step aside.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I tell you what the title of the book, Greg,
by the way, is Promised Me America.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, I don't. I don't even that doesn't even make sense.
But neither did that Vidi's that that tape.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
If he reads that book'll be people will pay to
never hear it. He'll make money for people wanting to
never hear it. He is just he's not any better.
He's just stumbling along. How about pregnant pauses are not pregnant,
they're disabled.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Those are disabled pauses. We heard?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
How about this one promised me America that you'll never
vote for me again? That would be the appropriate title.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
He said, How I restore democracy after the tragedy of
January sixth.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
You know he can't.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
They that is their favorite, you know, dog whistle they've
ever had?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Is it even blowing? They won't even buy it.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Now, remain well, he's done the Democratic Party a favor
in a sense that he is not going to release
the book until after the midterm elections. Okay, and are
you aware of the story. You know, doctor Jill went
on this media blitz and her brand new book. It
was on the bestseller list for one week and then
dropped like a rock. And it's no longer on the
best seller's list either.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
No, well, this one won't last long. If this one
lasts any longer, I'll be surprised. I mean, I guess
they're trying to do damage control. I don't think the
Biden family's comfortable knowing that they have just surpassed Jimmy
Carter as the worst modern day Democrat president ever served,
maybe the worst president ever of any party to serve it.
You know, we're still reeling from the impacts and consequences

(06:42):
of the Biden administration. And I'm sure he'd love us
to think of it otherwise. But you'll know, because he
won't raise he couldn't put a trailer and a trailer
park for a presidential library if he had to. That
guy's not going to raise any money for a presidential library.
They're never going to have one for him.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Ever, probably won't make it for sure, that's for sure. Hey,
couple other zany things that Democrats are doing today. There's
a socialist candidate. She is running for a She's a
gubernatorial candidate in Wisconsin, of all places. She wants hospitals
to do child sex changes for free.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know, someone asked me today, I had some meetings today,
but they know that we talk about politics and happenings.
They said, what's the midterms going to look like? And
I just said, you know the generic ballot where they
just asked you, would you vote for a Republican Democrat?
We heard a while ago Harry Enton say, and they're
polling that it was about three percent for Democrats, which
is the lowest you've seen in the midterm. But I
got to tell you, as soon as you put these

(07:39):
names of these people that want free sex changes for miners,
and you start putting these lunatics on the ballot and
have voters consider them, I think the midterms do not
look good for the Democrats. They have gone so far
left the normies of America are not going to buy
what they're selling now.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I want to know if you ever did this. Here's
another crazy Democratic story today. Did you ever do this?
As a state lawmaker? There is a New Hampshire Democrat
who was allegedly caught speeding twice on the same highway
has argued that she shouldn't be held to the same
driving laws because she's a state lawmaker. Did you ever

(08:15):
use that tactic? Yeah, get out of a speeding teach.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I think you know, I never dropped the whole on
the lawmaker thing.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
If I got pulled over, I think it would annoy
our state troopers, our state, our highway patrol. I think
they'd give me a double fine if I tried to
drop that.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
If she, by the way, was going she was going
one hundred and seven in a sixty five mile per
hour zone, and also ninety two miles per hour in
a sixty five mile per hour zone.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Ladies and gentlemen, Rodarcutt thinks that's that's a grandma speed.
He thinks that's driving slow. Yeah, that's just cruizy, far
faster than that. I've seen all right when we come back.
There's a new head of the Sutherland Institute. We're scheduled
to speak with him coming up on this Wingman Wednesday
edition of The Rodd and Gregg Show, and you To's
Talk Radio one oh five nine, kay in arrest. Well

(09:03):
an organization, Greg, that we work a lot with, have
a lot of their folks on the show quite often,
the Sutherland Institute. Some changes are afoot today. I hear,
I hear there's some some changes. I hate, you know.
I'm like rain Man, I don't know if I like change.
So I'm gonna have to hear this out. I'm not
sure you know.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well, the change is that the Subtherlent Institute has a
new boss and CEO, State Senator Todd Weiler, who's joining
us right now on our any hour Newsmaker line. Sendra Wiler,
how are you? And congratulations on your appointment and the
announcement today.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Thanks Rod, and thanks Greg.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Appreciate it. Oh why the interest in this, sender? Weiler?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Well, they actually came and knocked on my door, and
the more I thought about it, I kind of my
two passions and my two careers are politics and policy
on one hand, and and law on the other one,
and this kind of gives me an opportunity to kind
of merge them two into one into one job, which
was very attractive to me.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know, Senator, one of the things I've always appreciated
about Southerland Institute is that it's a think tank that
really does dive into the issues that we grapple with,
or I grappled with as a state lawmaker that you
just mentioned that you've worked on as a state senator.
Tell me, I hope that role now not only stays
the same, but I think with your perspective that could
even grow. Tell us what your vision of Sutherland Institute

(10:23):
would look like and how they would interact with state
lawmakers and potentially even state policy.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Well, thanks, I think we've had a great staff. We've
got a bunch of brainiacts. I told them, you guys
do the think and I'll do the tank. That I'm
hoping to kind of increase their footprint beyond Utah, just
like the Inner Mountain West, increase their effectiveness and that
and I'm really hoping to reach out to the next generation,

(10:53):
like college students and others. You know, Greg, And I'm
thinking about doing this, but if you want a college
campus right now, let's say the University of Utah and
ask students to explain the difference between socialism and communism
and capitalism. I think most of them would fail, and
so I'd like to try to change that.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Todd, will you miss being a state center and what
did you enjoy about it?

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Well, I'm not resigning Rod, so I'm going to stay
in the same But you know, we all have where
citizen legislatures, so we all have to have jobs. But
you know, I'm also not, you know, going to be lobbying.
You know, when I'm in the Senate, I'll be representing
my constituent. And so instead of going to my full

(11:36):
time job at the law firm, I'm going to migrate
over to Sutherland. But you know, we do a lot
of pulling, like with y two K analytics, and we
release a lot of Sutherland releases a lot of policy briefs,
like on the Save Act, which they actually opposed because
it's not following good principles of federalism. And we file
a lot of like amicust briefs. In fact, Bill Duncan

(12:00):
was just telling me yesterday that he filed amatus brits
on two risks of search to the US Supreme Court
that were recently granted. So we'll continue doing all of
that work.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And more so, you mentioned I think this is really
important our young people. I've got kids there in their
twenties now, and I think that there you know, how
do you plan or how does the Sutherlands to plan
to draw in our younger voters are our emerging work force,
these young people. The world looks very different now than
it did when I was growing up. How does Sutherlands

(12:30):
to reach these minds of mush that need to be
sorted out?

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Well, I'm going to be figuring that out over the
next couple of months. But you know, maybe we'll be
setting up college chapters, maybe we'll be increasing our game
on you know, reels and things like that. We already
have a podcast that we clip and put out there.
But I do think there's a lot of interest from
the rising generation, and I think there's a real push

(12:56):
right now from you know, on social democrats. I think that,
you know, it would be helpful to have some information
pushing back on some of those ideas and some of
those failed philosophies.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Sander Wiler, I know you've been in the legislature for
a number of years. You're on top of the issues
as a subtle In Institute and you take charge of
that organization. Can you you mentioned socialism? Capitalism? Communism is
one issue you'd like to address. Are there other major
issues here in this state that you think you need
to dress and maybe the subtle In Institute needs to

(13:30):
speak out about.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
Yeah, we're we're probably going to start filing some of
our own public interest litigation on areas like religious freedom
and religious liberties. What what what our goal is at
the self of the institute. We're all about faith, freedom
and family and we want to make sure that our
communities remain safe for each of those each of those
areas of interest.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So what does a transition look like? When do you
When do you get the keys of the place?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Are you? Are you starting right away? Is this? Is
there a runway for when you when you're at the
helm of the Southern lands too? What does what does
that transition look like? Given that you're looking at expanding
beyond Utah and maybe making this a broader appeal to
especially young people.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
Well, I've been working with this great law firm in
Salt Lake called Christensen and Jensen, and so I've got
a lot of clients that I need to help transition
their cases to other attorneys, and so I might be
bouncing back and forth for the rest of summer between
the two jobs. I think my official start date with
Sutherland will be in early August, but I'm already kind

(14:40):
of got one foot in their door. And and but
I have some clients that I care about and I
got to land them in a good place. So it'll
be back and forth for a few weeks at least.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, Sender, You've always been very approachable. Always appreciate you
being on the show, and hopefully we'll be able to
interact more in your new role. Thanks for joining us,
and congratulations.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Again, thank you both of you.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right care all right. That is a State Senator
Todd Wyler, who's been named the new president and CEO
of the Sutherlent Institute. They'll be interesting to see where you.
I like the idea that he brought up about having
college chapters to talk about the issues that you people
are concerned about, because I think they need to have
the correct information. Because I think right now, Greg and

(15:21):
most of our universities and colleges, they're getting a one
side of the argument, and that's what do we see
that with.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you see that with TPSA, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Really you saw there was a demand for You saw
that there were students, young people that really wanted to debate.
They really did want to get engaged. And it wasn't
all from one side, cut from one cloth. How you
had a robust debate. I don't think that was unique
to Charlie Kirk, although he was a phenomenal at that
kind of dialogue. I think Sutherland Institute fits well into
that role and can be a great place to see

(15:51):
that kind of a debate and diversity of thought happen
in our schools.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, it will be fun to see what Sandra Wyler
can do with the organization. Always great to work with
those folks over Sutherland. All right, more coming up. It
is the Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rott and Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine k n RS. All Right, we have talked a
lot about socialism in America today. The Democratic Socialist Party

(16:15):
the other day release their platform talk about scary and
crazy ideas, Greg and everybody when You've got to be
kidding me, right, But now I saw this story this
morning as kind of a poll shocker. Socialism is infecting
the GOP as well. I don't know about you, Greg,
but that seems kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, I wonder if it's actually I want someone needs
to tell me it's not true, because I have a
hard time. I believe we got to have some bastion
of common sense in this country. I feel like the
Normies are gravitating to the GOP, to the conservative side,
really the Republican side. This would be the worst thing

(16:56):
you could do is become socialists over here as well.
So hopefully i'd love to hear that that that's not
for the case.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, let's dig into it a little bit more. Terry Jones,
as the editor of Issues and Insights, they've been digging
into this. Terry, how are you welcome back to the
Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 8 (17:12):
Thank you, it's great to be back on.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
This was a bit of a poll shocker, as I
described earlier, Terry, what did you find out the GOP
and socialism?

Speaker 8 (17:20):
Well, the thing we found out is not only does
the GOP sint our country is moving towards that form
of government socialist model, and it was you know, a
pretty substantial fifty seven percent thought that was actually happening,

(17:41):
and it may well be in fact happening, So this
shouldn't be seen as approval. But even even Democrats and
independents agreed, you know, basically a plurality of both Democrats
and independence forty seven percent of Independence, forty two percent
of Democrats agreed with that, and so they all see

(18:01):
America going socialists. That's bad enough, But what was worst
was when we asked people whether they would support government
control of key industries, and we cited specifically healthcare and energy,
but we left it open. We said, you know, sectors

(18:24):
such as healthcare, energy, so anything. Uh So what we
what we found out was that even Republicans forty three
percent of Republicans agreed that that was okay, government should
control certain key industries, and that that was rather alarming
to us. I mean, you look at that and you say,

(18:47):
my god, that's that's you know, socialism and ultimately you
know communism. I mean, it's it's something more. Government control
of the private economy is the key lynchpin of everything
they seek in socialism. In communism and social socialism, Let's

(19:09):
let's be clear, is merely a step towards communism. It's
not a it's socialism is not a thing in itself
that it's an isolated entity. It's it's a phase that
will ultimately end up just as the Soviet Union did
in the old days.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
You know, here's here's what blows my mind. If you
told me Democrats and Republicans in Congress forty three percent
of Democrats forty three percent of Republicans, that would make
sense that the uniparty, you know where you can see
no daylight between them. But voters people, I mean you,
I mean even conservatives were at forty one percent, moderates

(19:48):
at forty two, liberals at forty six. It's hard for
me to believe that anyone that would say their conservatives says, yeah,
I think our government should control health care and energy,
and I mean, it's it seems so counterintuitive. What would
you how do you aide you believe that statistic can
be how can how can it be happening like that?

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Well, I absolutely trust my polster uh Ragaba Mayur of
I and eye Tip because he is I've worked with
him for twenty six years. And you know his His
numerical integrity is absolutely impeccable. He does not shade the

(20:31):
numbers one bit. So these numbers were alarming. What it
says to me is that a large percentage of the population,
perhaps skewing younger, have been brainwashed, essentially in school and
and by the media to believe that government control is

(20:53):
not only inevitable, but it's a good thing, and that
it's just a you know, a question of of you know,
of having the right policies in place once you give
control the government of this. And of course, of course
we've seen how that worked with Obamacare, right, Yeah, we
increase the amount of government involvement in healthcare, we ended

(21:14):
up with a massive increase in premiums and and no
really significant drop in the number of uninsured. So it
was a total total catastrophe. And this is what this
is what would happen across the board, no matter what
industry you You say, oh, let's take that over because

(21:36):
it's too important to be left to the market. Well,
nothing is too important to be left to the market.
I mean the market. The market is what makes things work.
It's the only thing that checks and balances all of
the things that go on in a business. If business fails,
it's because it's not satisfying it's market. If a government

(21:58):
business fails, they just tax you more and subsidize the failure.
And that's what happens. And that's what So that's what's
so alarming about this is that I don't think people
have been properly educated or forewarned this is not the
route to go. And we see what what's happening right

(22:18):
now in Europe Germany is actually an industrial sector is shrinking. Uh,
you know, they don't have any respected borders any longer
in the in the EU and that that may be changing,
the opinion may be changing a little bit. But and
all the all of this government, you know, uh, centralized government,

(22:41):
European Union government uh has brought is stagnation and slow
growth and lower incomes. I'm worried this that this these
data show, you know, give us a window into a
future America where people will accept government as the leading,

(23:03):
you know, the light in our economy rather than you know,
relying on the market as we always have in the past.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's a scary thoughts. Terry. All right, Terry, Hey, appreciate
your time. Terry. Always great chatting with you, thank you, Okay,
thank you? All right on our any hour newsmaker line
Terry Jones with issues and insights. More coming up on
the Roden Greg Show and you Ta's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can Arrest. We all know who Frank
Lunz is, right, you know Frank, he's a polster. Used

(23:32):
to do a lot of work for Fox News, but
now he's on CNN. He had a wonderful comment. He's
been doing a little research Greg into this, and what
he found out is that people who voted for Joe
Biden and in what twenty twenty and then voted for
Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, Democrats who flipped to Trump.
Now they have questions about Trump, but listen to what

(23:54):
Frank Lunz has to say. He says they still like
him because he's doing things.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
Fed up over the last four years, they wanted action,
they wanted results. They looked at prices, they looked at affordability,
looked at immigration, and they didn't see anything happening. They
still don't like what he says, but they like what
he does. And these are Democrats now who felt that
they were not securing the border, they were doing nothing

(24:20):
to prevent illegal immigration, that nothing was actually happening. They
wanted to see a reduction and waste for Washington spending,
and they're seeing that. So what they tell me is,
I wish you'd be a little bit less rude. But
at the same time, they like what he's doing. They
believe he's serious about it, and for the first time
they have confidence in the future.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So Greg, they want him to be less rude. They
don't like what he says, but they like what he does.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I find him to be more presidential this term than
this first term. I think you know, he's not under
siege by Mueller in this Russia Gate hoax. I don't
think he's saying the same things that are rude. But
what I will say, and I think Frank lens and
the Democrats that he pulled are exactly right.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
You're seeing more effort.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
You're seeing more moving of the needle getting things done
out of this administration really than you see out of Congress.
And this is Look, it's a Republican majority in the
House and Senate. That Congress doesn't do anything. I mean,
Trump does more in a week. Then you're gonna find
the Senate doesn't. And I swear in two years you'll
see that he'll get more accomplished in a week. I

(25:25):
just think doing something the Senate works three and a
half days when they're not walking two hundred and fifty
miles in our state, just three and a half days
and that and they call it a week and they
think they're doing something. I just I just can't. I
can't handle it.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know what? Can you know what cracks me up, Greg,
is you know what was it yesterday? We talked about
a bipartisan bill on daylight savings time, right, and they're
they're out there saying, look at what we've done. Do
you guys realize there are many more important issues than this,
like the Save Act. But you're crowing about daylight saving time,
but you're missing the fact that there are major issues

(26:03):
in this country that are sitting right in front of
you guys to do something about and they can't get
it done. But we're supposed to pat him on the back. So, hey,
nice job, buddy's saving time. Good deal. Well yeah, but
in the overall scheme of things is kind of minor,
is it? Or is it just me?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, it's just mine. But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
It's going to go the same fate as to Save
America Acted. They're not gonna it's not going to pass
that either. Yeah, that's lightweight. That's what lightweight work. And
they won't even get that done.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
You watch.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
They're not gonna pass. They're not getting sixty votes for that.
They're not They don't know how to get something done.
They're not gonna get it done, but they're gonna. So
I just think it's uh, I I just I think
people like Trump because Trump is getting things done. You
talk and say it now, those monuments and reducing them,
it's a big, big deal in the part of this
state I'm in right now. They know what it's like.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
All right, Government, Another hour coming your way. Rod and
Greg with you on talk radio one oh five nine KNRS.
I don't know if you cut this. I think it
was either yesterday or to day. I believe it was yesterday.
Greg Kevin O'Leary, the celebrity investor who's looking to put
that big data center here in up in box Elder County,
spent a good amount of time with Glenn Beck on
Glenn Show. I think it was in the seven o'clock

(27:14):
hour yesterday morning. And they went through a number of
issues when it comes to you know, data centers, talked
about water issues, talked about electricity issues, all of that.
And you know, this is something that I think, Greg,
I wish they would have done before this all came
to a head, to be real honest, because much of
the information that is shared makes a whole lot of sense,

(27:37):
and promises that are being made. There's got to be
a way, as you have said, to monitor those opportunities,
to monitor if their regulations are doing what they should
be doing when it comes to water used and electric ues.
But you know, but here so I wish they would
have done that before. And then I saw this story today.
Apparently there was a forum held the other night up

(27:58):
at the up in Brigham City on Utah State University's campus,
and a member of the Utah Military Installation Development Authority
otherwise known as MIDA. These are the people that made
the decision some of the early decisions on the data center.
His name is Mark Sheppard. He's a member of that board. Also,
I think the mayor of Clearfield was there answering questions

(28:19):
from people. And I'm still trying to scratch my head
and figure out why this wasn't done before. It gave
people who hate this idea to begin with an opportunity
to just strike it down. Greg, Why weren't they more forthcoming?

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Their ready fire aim approach took out two box out
two of the three box out A County commissioners in
re elections this in the month of June. Yes, I
would argue that Senate President Stewart Adams loss in his
November primary or his June primary is because of this issue,
this data center. I think that the political carnage caused

(28:57):
by the ready Fire Aim O'Leary project and how it
was presented in its grandest scale with no context behind it,
has had a detrimental impact on this state. And of
course they're looking in hindsight and saying, you know, we
might want to bring the public along, We might want
to talk about this a little more, we might.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Want to address some issues you think.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
You think the scary part about this is when they
make mistakes like that, not just Ute Boxelder County or Utah,
but America loses. I'm staring at the wall at the
New York Times. China's chip champion a company called CXMT.
They are a lynchpin in China's drive to develop artificial
intelligence technology. They're going to do a ten billion dollars

(29:38):
capital raise in the Asian markets. They are on a
high speed to dominate this power, AI, data center, AI
technology and all the industries that come with it. There
is a race going on on planet Earth that China
loves the fact that we want to sit around and
not do anything. They love the fact that we're going
to spin our wheels for a year, have the time,

(30:01):
and it is actually, I think dangerous if these people
that want to develop this technology and this new emerging
economy that has to do with the power and the
data centers and the AI, if they don't bring the
public along, we're all going to lose to these to
China and some other scary, scary enemies of our state,
of the our of the state we have.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Just they just got to get it right. They can't
blow it like they did in box over.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, look at look what's going on around the country. Greg.
Here you have let's say, in Louisiana. The governor down there,
his name is jeffrel injury. Wasn't Baton Rouge a couple
of days ago, celebrating the opening of a brand new
data center outside of Baton Rouge. Meanwhile, the city of
New Orleans is trying to decide whether or not they
want one in their area. You have the State of
New York Kathy Hochel, who announced yesterday a one year

(30:47):
moratorium on any data centers coming into New York state.
So you know the question I have. And there's more
and more information, matter of fact, there is, we have time.
We'll get to this today as well. A new report
out by the Manhattan Institutes says, this myth about that
electricity rates will go up is just that, a big myth.

(31:07):
What causes electricity rates to go up are green energy
policies on electric utilities and not data centers. And you
know this information, In my opinion, Greg should have been
let out and released and informed the public long before
this ever got down the road, because you know, I
understand the concern up there, and people have a right

(31:30):
to raise questions about this and want to get some answers.
But I still wonder, Greg, and we've talked about this before,
if in a year or two or three, maybe five,
we're gonna sit down and say we really blew it.
We should have let this thing come in. You know,
I fear that may happen. I don't know if it will,
but I fear in fact it may happen someday.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Look, I have friends and government I tend to have,
you know, I see some of these things behind the curtain.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I see I see what's going on there.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
It was a hubris with the O'Leary project, where they
thought they had the support of the governor, the legislature,
being the Speaker of the House and the Senate President.
They believe they could get the votes in the Boxeller
County Commission, and they weren't interested in anything else. There
was an arrogance to this and a speed to market
that they were talking about where they were going to

(32:20):
just go for you know, just forage forward, and they
thought they checked every box. It shows how little they know.
And I what's so surprising to me, Rod is that
whether you listen to Mark Cuban, he says, you got
to bring the people along. You listen to Glenn Beck,
you got to bring the people along. I go to
that Gigawatt summit and put in Deer Valley. Every smart
person in the room that has anything to do with

(32:41):
this sector says in America. You got to bring the
people along. I don't understand how uh they came into
Boxeller County because I think these projects have to happen
in America. But you got to do it the right way.
And those questions that are big concerns, legitimate concerns. There
are answers for those. The water usage, it's not like
you to be that. It sounds not even emerging technology.

(33:02):
The data centers coming online today don't use a fraction
of the water they used to use. And when I
say used to use, I'm talking to the TSA data
center that's right here along the Lost ad Front in Utah.
They're using way more water than the way that data
centers are built today and designed. There is probably less
water than the agricultural use of that land for a

(33:23):
data center. That is information that needed to be talked
about and understood clearly never mentioned, I don't think, and
I tell you we don't have the time for that.
We have got to see them coming together and really
reaching the public and inspiring. Yeah, this is the new technology,
this is the new economy. We've got to be on it.
We can't be left behind. And what's scary is when

(33:45):
it comes to technology. Your time horizon is tiny compared
to say, the Industrial revolution manufacturing this you got, I've
been told till twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
If you're behind, you're out.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Really, Yeah, we're more.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
More than half twenty six by twenty twenty thirty. You
better have your act together in your infrastructure set.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. Well, Mark Shepherd, who I mentioned, the mayor of Clearfield,
he's on that the Mighty Board at this gathering the
other night in Brigham City basically said, look, if people
vote to reject this, we have to honor that. You
know they have to. Now you know the who was it?
The county attorney said, you can't get the issue on
the ballot. Too Later there was some thing. They've gone
to court and have appealed it, trying to get on

(34:27):
the ballot. But you know, if residents in that community
reject this, do you not have to honor that?

Speaker 6 (34:37):
Great?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, if the people say not to you, do
you have to honor it?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah? I do. I do think you do.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
But this is what I've seen happen many times on
land use decisions. When the public gets concerned, whatever comes
up behind it, I promise you's going to be worse.
You've got You've got one of the largest gas natural
gas lines in that area. It's one of the why
they picked that area. Yeah, because that can generate the
power necessary. That's their own power plan where they're not
going to touch our grid or even contribute additional electricity

(35:05):
or excess electricity to our grid. That giant infrastructure of
that much, that large pipeline of gas, something is going
to come into that area.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It will.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
So you say no to this. Don't think you're just
voting to leave that thing empty. It's something's going to come.
And what I've seen in the past is in lend
your's decisions is what you reject, you'd almost wish you
could go back in time and keep because what you
got next, they reversed, engineered, figured out what they could do,
and it's not as good.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well I wonder if anyone, Greg,
have you run into anybody who's changed their mind on
this issue, said, you know, the more I think about it,
we probably should take a better look at these only spotty.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
If someone has sat and listened to Glenn Beck and
they listen to that exchange, they probably started to think,
well maybe or if they listen to Mark Cuban talk
about it, but not enough people are hearing from those voices.
I think they're still broad opposition, but I would love
to be wrong. And I know I know this brought
our audience YEP, they know, they know the collective wisdom
of the Rod and Greg Show audience knows where this

(36:07):
is going eight.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
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to know where you're going right now on this huge
project up in box Elder County where you headed Have
you changed your mind orre you're still strongly opposed to it?
Do you still want more information? Your calls and comments

(36:29):
coming up right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine can arrest you about an issue that continues
to dominate the news, not only here in Utah, but
around the country. You've got moves by the governor of
New York, Kathy Hokeel basically saying she's putting a one
year moratorium on big data centers. The same battles going
down in Louisiana, really almost across every state in the country,

(36:51):
and of course here in Utah you had the big
battle over Box Elder County on the site the Stratus Project,
I think is what it was called up there.

Speaker 10 (36:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Kevin O'Leary, the celebrity investor, was on with Glenn Beck
for almost an hour the other day talking about it
and why he thinks Utah is such a good location. Greg,
So a lot of interest, and we're trying to get
people's reaction. You know, as more and more information comes
out about these centers. When it comes to water, when
it comes to electricity, has anybody change their mind? Do
they still support it? Do they still oppose it? Eight

(37:21):
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Speaker 3 (37:36):
All right, this is the part that I love the most.
Let's go to our audience. They're gonna tell us the
real deal. Let's go to John, who's been waiting in Syracuse. John,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (37:47):
Yeah, thanks for thanks for having me. Your question is,
how do I feel my position hasn't really changed on it,
and I feel like I've been a little bit ahead
of everything. I agree with Glenn back and we need
to allow these data centers to come in with stipulations,
and I want a few of the things that I
think that we need to make these data centers do
is when they come in, they need to provide their

(38:09):
own generation so that they aren't taking any power off
their grid. But they also need to provide excess generation
put power back on the grid to help reduce the
cost of power. But then on top of it, the
other thing that I don't really hear anybody talking about
is like living in Utah, I'm sick and tired of
hearing oh, drought, this drought, that we need to conserve
water this or that, Like why haven't we come up

(38:32):
with a plant to bring water into Utah? And that's
where I think these data centers would be a fantastic
way of getting that water here is have them build
some desalinization plants, pipeline and pump some water into these
rivers up you know, up an Idaho and fill all
of the reservoirs in Utah and Nevada and California and

(38:52):
bring water into the whole region and make these data centers.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Pay for them.

Speaker 11 (38:57):
We pipeline water, We pipeline oil across the country. Why
can't we bring in some water as well.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's an interesting point, John, You know, I've never thought
about that, Greg, but we do. We pipe everything around
this country. Why not water?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And John is striking what needs to be the discussion.
It's not if, it's how do you benefit the public
and the and the population where these are going to arise?
Because there is some This new economy does come with
profits and a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's why.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's it's why this Chinese company is raising eighty billion
dollars not to lose this day.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Are in the.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
AI race, the data center race. Everyone around the world
is doing it. There are dollars to be made. But
most importantly, you tell the America doesn't want to outsource
our data centers and our AI and have other be
dependent on other countries.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
We want to do this.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
If we want to onshore manufacturing, we definitely want to
do this here. But the negotiating power we have as
a population for our power and to contribute power to
our grid to lower our cost of utilities. The ability
to get more water and to hamble. These are negotiating
tools that we have at our disposal. That's what we
should be really focusing on.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I think it's so easily could be win win, and
not just that a government giveaway to people that that
you know, promised pie and the sky.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah O'Leary, I think did say the other day, Greg,
this's appoint that John brought up on his interview with
golenn back that they would take some of the energy
and give it back to the state, put it back
on the grid to maintain electricity costs. So he did
bring that up the other day. Back to the phones
we go. Let's go to Alan in Tremont tonight, Aaron
the Rodd and Gregg Show. Hi, Allen, how are you hello? Goodness?

(40:37):
Go ahead.

Speaker 12 (40:38):
Uh My question is I think we're missing the point here. Data.
What's the data? A power get A lot of power,
A lot of the power of somebody who is it,
what they what they data is collecting? Want they do
and do with it? His power? I mean, grill of it.
That's how a lot that all about? I ask us

(41:02):
question now? Word about water? Noiason excusion put the point
I'm thinking the point is what is going all about.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I didn't do with the data, Greg, you want to I.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Mean, yeah, I think that if you have a yeah,
I think the data issue is this. I mean, AI
requires so much power to generate the data and how
AI interfaces with the people that use it. There's an
incredible amount of power needed for all of those tools
that we're using in technology now, more so than what
carbon atoms we needed to generate electricity to light our

(41:35):
homes or do what we've done traditionally. The technology is
requiring way more power than that. That's why they're talking
in the short term that large gas natural gas line
to create that power plant, but ultimately going to small
modular nuclear reactors and nuclear power is the future. Nuclear
power will be the foundation of a twelve layer cake

(41:55):
where you put the nuclear power there that's in abundance
and it's clean.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
And then and you can do the data centers and
the AI. But to the callers question, the data is
our data, it's our cloud.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's how we.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Use an interface with technology that's becoming such a giant
demand that if we don't keep up with pace and
with how that technology is changing, we're gonna be dependent
on other countries around the world for that, or we'll
turn off our tablets and our phones and we won't
use AI, and we'll see what America looks like in
the face of countries that have it versus that we
that don't.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think that's the dilemma that we're in right now.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
And I don't want to think we want to be
in the position that you just talked about, Greg. I
don't want to be behind the curve on this one.
All right, mare, coming up? Are your calls here on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
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phone calls eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero or on your cell phone dial pound two fifteen.

(42:51):
Say hey Rod, Greg.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, let's go to Paul who from Salt Lake City. Paul,
thank you for holding and welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. I've got a
couple of things to say about the data center. First
of all, the water usage for that is not good
considering our drought situation and our Salt Lake In order
to solve that, we need to fix the water situation
there are two things that I would recommend if the
governor were.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
To be listening.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
The first is there are tens of millions of gallons
a day of sewage that is being processed and then
put into evaporation ponds, etc. Because of certain county regulations,
even state regulations, that water is not allowed to go
back into the system. Having worked in development for some
time and well aware of the capabilities of these recycling plants,

(43:43):
they're called MBRs. They use membranes to purify the water.
In California, they've reinserted that recycled water into their drinking system.
We are not allowed to do that in some of
the counties in this state. It's put into evaporation pond,
so it's wasted. If they were to they have proper

(44:05):
membranes to process it. That water, once it goes through
the membranes, you could drink it right out of a cup.
I wouldn't, But what you could do is two things.
One is reinsert it back into the river system so
it flows down to the Salt Lake. You're talking millions
of gallons a day that is processed. Number two is

(44:27):
the farms take up an inordinate amount of water for
the state. I've heard upwards of seventy percent of the
waters for farming. A lot of those farms are growing alfalfa,
which is a water intensive product. You usually flood those
fields and then they sell the alfalfa China in other places.
So first of all, you would have the data center

(44:48):
pay for the infrastructure to move those that recycled water
directly into the rivers. That would help to alleviate the
problems in the salt lake. It's purified water goes into
the river, it even gets more purified it goes straight
in the salt lake. You could also create a system
where farmers are allowed to use that recycled water for

(45:11):
much of their farming. It would reduce that percentage tremendously. Again,
it's millions of gallons at day. Each home is using
between fifteen one hundred gallons of water a day either
through flushing or showers, or the sink goes straight to
the recycling plants and then it just sits there. It's
not being reutilized. If they were to reutilize you're talking

(45:34):
millions of gallons of water a day that could be
used to fill the lakes, fill the rivers, and also
help with the farms. How do you do that again,
you make the data centers, which are cash rich, make
them pay for that process. It's not expensive to move
water because it's hydraulic, whereas moving sewage you have to

(45:55):
use list stations. So if you were to utilize recycled walk,
allow it to go back in the system first and
foremost into the rivers, that's going to be a big
help towards repairing Salt Lake.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Boy, surewood sounds like a bull.

Speaker 10 (46:09):
What.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
We've got some smart people out there. Smart.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh, it's such a brilliant idea.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Have you heard about this, Greg in the past, in
your years in the legislature.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Now, I did hear that Nevada will recycle its water.
It's the water from the sewer. It sounds gross, but
I hear what Paul is saying. But Nevada does that
a lot. We don't do that in the city of Utah.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
So he is correct.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
There is a way to treat that water and be
able to reuse it. Again, I do want to point
out Paul is exactly right, but one of the things
he mentioned is agricultural use could be seventy to eighty
percent of the water in Utah when we talk about
our water or our drought. We're talking about culinary water
that's treated. We're talking about our reservoirs that is about
twenty percent. We're not talking about how much water the

(46:48):
agricultural use in the state of Utah actually goes through
the water shares. That this Boxe data center has purchased
the water shares and its agricultural use, and that will
be far less water than what the agricultural use would be.
So to the to the point that I actually love
with Paul's idea, but we also in that idea he

(47:11):
described the high high use of agricultural use, the high
use of for alfalfa, things like that this data center
will not the modern day technology for how they recycle
the water, how they use it. It's not like it
was done even I mean we I keep saying TSA,
the NSA data center in Utah uses an old school
form of water usage. That there are brand new data

(47:34):
centers coming online, and we have dinners that new data
centers in Utah that don't use a fraction of the
water water can be used less than what that footprint
of that area right now uses currently. But Paul is right,
there is a lot of water that you could treat
and that you could put back into into circulation, and
that is that's it's a great, great idea I think.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, all right, let's go back to the phone's Cottonwood Heights.
We're talking with Trevor tonight. Are on the rod In
Greg show High U t forever. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 10 (48:02):
Hey you're Ron Greg at the top few. Uh Greg,
I know you know the same people pushing the global
warming scam are now pushing the surveillance centers. They're not
for our benefit. The same people that want to take
away our meat and our cars and our air conditioning
are now saying we need more electricity. I know you've
said this multiple times, and now we're acting like, oh,

(48:23):
it's the greatest thing ever. Like they're gonna fill our reservoirs.
We're gonna make them pay for water and electricity. They're
gonna tell us how much water we can use. They're
gonna they're gonna run our life down to the second
with these with this AI. It's not for our benefit.
These are surveillance centers.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
All right.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
My My response is that that actually, if you look
at the money that's being spent to defeat data centers.
It's from the left. The left is absolutely comfortable with
China and other countries out facing us in this in
this race on on AI and and data centers.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
And that's that's math.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I mean, you can see who's funnel money the box
Elder County racos, two box Olter County commissioners. It was
Democrat money majority Matters that fought those county commissioners to
defeat them to stop this data center from coming online.
So we're seeing the money that goes to the environmentalists
and the green agenda. They are against the United States

(49:21):
keeping pace or being in front of this this this
new technology.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah. Well and just remember, I mean I don't know
some of our listeners may have seen this already, but
this platform that the Democratic Socialist of Americas put out,
one item on that platform says at all we don't
want a military. Yeah, that's just one of them, all right,
more company.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
By the way, when I say Maron, I just want
to say I am not saying that people of box
Elder County or any of our listeners who have concerns
are somehow you know in Cahoo's with the left, or
that they have that intentions.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I think that that is the crux of this conversation
is that these concerns that are being brought up have
to be addressed with real data, not just pine the
sky promises.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
There has to be real, verifiable data.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
More coming up, Rod and Greg with you right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Canna Restaurant.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Let's go to Jeff and Lehigh. Jeff, Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show. What do you think about the
data centers?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Are you? Are you convinced? Are you still skeptical? Where
do you sit today?

Speaker 6 (50:22):
I've kind of been okay with the data center so far.
But what I really called in for is you had
a collar on there that was talking about recycling the
sewer water. Yes, yes, and there are a lot There
are a lot of cities that already do that because

(50:42):
they have pressurized irrigation. And that's where pressurize irrigation comes from,
is it's it's not poddable water. It comes from the
sewage plants and that's pumped into a system and then
you use it for like water lawns and even Lee
High uses it for their fire high because they don't
want to waste culinary water.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Oh okay, so a lot of Jeff.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Is it as clean as as Paul described? Do they
clean it that well that you could drink it?

Speaker 6 (51:11):
You can't drink it. But it's used for irrigation, you know,
like in a sprinkling system. It's called pressurized irrigation, and
they use it to water lawns and flowers. And it's
so some cities already recycle it.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, okay, all right, Jeff, thank you appreciate that. So
it already is being used by this sounds of Greg.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And some of it.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, I think I think Paul's visions pretty is a
lot more robust.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But yeah, it's good to hear.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Let's go to our talkback line. Here's Whey come in
from one of our listeners.

Speaker 13 (51:42):
Hey, Roden, Greg, I've was all on board the no
data centers for Utah until I've listened to uh, what's
the guy's name? After listen to his name, But the
guy over the data centers was on iHeartRadio a couple
of days ago talking to Glenn Back, and I was
shocked at the information that's been hidden from me. He

(52:02):
mentioned that the data center would do only like a
golf course worths of water. So I just feel like
there's a lot more here than people are talking about.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, that's a very good point. There's a lot of information.
And this goes back to the point that you and
I have made, Greg. They need to be forthcoming with
solid facts about this for the bring the public along,
and I think that's what they failed to do so far.
Maybe it's changing.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well they have failed.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
And I also think you got to get off the
national shows and you got to get in person. I
think they got to go face to face forget that
and talking to all the national shows, even the local
ones from AFAR. Get out of that, get on the
ground and start and start showing the data showing how
this is going to work.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You know what they need to do. We need to
have a town hall meeting with Rod and Greg and
Kevin O'Leary. Yes, well was it down and ask him
question you have Between the.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Two of us, we from all the feedback we're getting
from listeners, we'd have a great list of questions and
concerns to share.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
All right, let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Okay, let's go to Jay and who's been holding in
Salt Lake City. Jay, Welcome to the run and Gregg Show, Well.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
Thanks for having me on. This applies for data centers,
but it applies for any development throughout Utah. Cities and
counties have codes for storm water to where you have
a development, whether it be your home, a subdivision, a
data center, an LDS temple, it doesn't matter. It has
a code that says you have to retain one hundred

(53:30):
percent of your storm water on your property and you
are not allowed to dump that back into these streets
or into the streams anymore. And so that is drastically,
drastically reducing the amount of water that is flowing into
the lake now, because even in the subdivision, you don't
see it. You think it goes down the drain, it

(53:52):
goes to the nearest creek, and it goes on down
the street. Now it doesn't. You have infiltration basins underneath
those roadways. Costco parking lot. It doesn't go into the
nearest creek. It goes into giant chambered systems underneath that
parking lot, and that water goes straight into the ground
and it never is allowed to run off anymore. So

(54:12):
now with more development and paving everything over with rooftops
and asphalt and concrete, no storm water is reaching the
lake anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
All right, Jay, I didn't didn't realize that, did you.
I didn't know that. Greg? Did you know that?

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I did. I've heard that that is the case. Yeah,
you didn't do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
What's the matter with you?

Speaker 9 (54:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I know you tried.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
No, it's the population and the infrastructure and the sewer
and the water, you know, the all of that. It does,
It does slow it down because less. But then you
have some situations where you know, when developers are development,
they want you to capture water and put them in
retention ponds, and that's keeping it from flowing into some
of the If you go to Hebrew there there's developments
that don't let that will put retention ponds in and

(54:59):
not let it go the Provo River. There's another one
that would go ultimately to the Utah Lake.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
All right, mare Coming up our number three of the
Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine cannaret when we come back, the
mistake baby boomers have made in raising their kids. We'll
talk about it coming up next. Hey, have you ever
thought about a career as a pole dancer?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Could you stop?

Speaker 6 (55:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I did not know.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I thought you mentioned that's one of the things you
would still like to do before your life ends, be
a pole dancer.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
No, sir, no, no, no, ms now, Rod, I know
is fake news.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I must have confused. I must have confused with somebody.
Maybe Cray wants to be the pole dancer. Who knows.
I bring this up because of the story in Houston
where a woman living in a Houston apartment was practicing
pole dancing in her apartment. Well, the pole slipped, tripped
off the and it's fire sprinkler and flooded the entire

(56:02):
complex before they could turn the water off.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Man, I you know I had a apartment, Dad or
somebody put a walk on and it it lit and
it melted the wax on a fire sprinkler and flooded
really apartments.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, that was That was a bad day.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Okay. Are you a big selfie taker?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
No, unless it's a big moment like sometimes. Well, I
actually liked it. After I play around the golf with
my kids, I take a selfie at the end just
kind of remember it. That's probably where I do it
the most after playing golf.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I'm not a big one, but I know you are.
It seems like you're taking them daily.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I just got done telling you when I played golf
with my nephews or my or my.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Always showing me pictures of yourself with somebody or doing.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
That is such a selfie with me. With Val Kilmer,
I have a selfie with me about Okay. I saw
him in Washington, DC in twenty ten and I grabbed
a pick.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Okay, So you are an occasional selfie taker.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yes, I did not know I was going to be
wingman one day. It was a very prophetic photo. I
should probably put it post it.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, surprise you haven't already. Well, the selfie generation? Is
it our fault? And I'm talking about baby boomers? Did
we make the mistake when it comes to selfie Well,
joining us on our any our newsmaker line to talk
about that is our good friend doctor Scott at List.
He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute. He
wrote an article about the selfie generation and one point

(57:36):
that he made he talked about the fact that the
in raising children baby boomers have made a catastrophic mistake.
Let me ask you this, Scott, what is that catastrophic mistake?

Speaker 14 (57:47):
Well, yeah, thanks for having me. I think it's a
generational failure of people in my generation who wanted the
best for our kids. We saw our Aaron's struggle, many
of whom were immigrants. We worked very hard. I mean,
as I said, I was the first generation in my

(58:07):
family to go to college and that came at a
big cost to my parents as well as myself. But
we wanted better and we meant well. But what I
saw was a lot of cushioning of our kids, of
trying to pulling back from letting them fail. My own

(58:30):
kids are the are an exception. I'm not talking about
my own kids. They're doing great and they're hard workers.
But I think a lot of people in my generation
saw our own public schools pulled back on naming the
winners of contests for fear of hurting the feelings of
those who didn't win. You know, we saw a lot
of people the so called trophy for just showing up

(58:53):
kind of mentality. And you know, this is really, I
sort of think destructive to people, because I think particularly
young people, they need to be able to see that
if you work hard, you do well, but it's necessary
to work hard and if you fail, okay, you have
to learn how to pick yourself up and you know,
and try again. And so this idea of we don't

(59:16):
want to hurt people's feelings, I think created a sort
of a feeling of entitlement.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
You know, Scott, I'm a gen xer, so my mother
was a baby boomer, but I was raised by my
grandmother and my mother my aunt. But my grandmother was
a veteran of World War Two, and maybe I escaped
a maybe a less patriotic upbringing. And I'm very patriotic
because of my grandmother. But my question is, what do
you do if you've missed a generation?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Here?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You're talking meritocracy, and that is what is the gold
and the beauty of this country, and the American dream
is meritocracy. How do you restore it or can you?

Speaker 10 (59:56):
Well?

Speaker 14 (59:56):
I think we have to do our best to again
pull back from this cocooning of young people, but also
not buy into that we have to let people fail.
We don't just say, oh, you know what I see
when I go visit New York and Lower Manhattan A
lot of young kids who are walking around with their

(01:00:17):
eight dollars lattes, complaining that they can't afford to live
in the West Village, which is the most expensive part
of New York. I mean, you know, that's that's not
the country does not guarantee outcomes. The only thing the
country can do and should do, in my opinion, is
guarantee that you have opportunity to succeed. And I think.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
This, this whole feeling.

Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
Has to be has to be brought back, and I
think part of that is letting kids, letting kids fail
and impressing upon them that you know, there are no guarantees.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Scott, why do you think young people are attracted to socialism?
What is it about socialism that they find so appealing
at this point in their lives.

Speaker 14 (01:01:01):
Well, I think part of it, uh is that they
don't have the historical context. I mean, you know, we
were we were kids, but we saw the USSR, we
saw uh you know, the so called Cold War. We
saw the benefits of our country versus the totalitarian societies
that in theory we're proposing everyone's equal, the socialist communist

(01:01:24):
kind of mentality, but they're really uh, totalitarian, top down societies,
and they don't have that context. And so uh, you know, also,
I do think we grew up with with grandparents or
parents that had nothing. Many people. My story is not unique,
but but that kind of mentality that you know, we

(01:01:46):
our parents worked several times, several jobs at once. We
had to work our way through college. Here we have
a generous society that you know, strips back the debt
of people who took loans out for college. Because we
forgive debt. There's no payback somehow it's somebody else's fault
that you don't have a job that you majored in

(01:02:07):
whatever gender studies, whatever you want to say, and there
it's not employable. You know, I just think they have
been given this idea that everything is an entitlement to them.
And what I meant by my piece. By the way,
the selfie generation, it has also bred this sort of narcissistic,

(01:02:30):
self centered mentality. You know, this is I'm fine with
people taking selfies. I'm not against the technology, but I
am I think it's emblematic of what's going on that
people are sitting there taking pictures of themselves all the time,
taking pictures of their food, looking at five second Instagram

(01:02:50):
or TikTok posts. You know what we've with without without
wanting to be looking like I'm some kind of an
old man looking back and seeing, oh that the old.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Days were better.

Speaker 14 (01:03:01):
I think we do need to make sure that kids
have the opportunity to fail, that work ethic is rewarded,
that you know, you pick yourself up and you try harder.
You can't get you can't afford a condo in the
West Village and New York, maybe you ought to move,
or maybe you ought to get another job. You know,
I just think we need to restore this. And part

(01:03:25):
of it is that, you know, we failed in the
university and K through twelve educational system somehow not not
instilling that sort of you know, competitiveness, but also realistic
assessment of history.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
You know, maybe I'm I'm wrong, but my perception is
some of the loudest voices for socialism, communism, whatever we're
calling it, it seems to be the people that are
the greatest hypocrites. You got you got a mom, Donnie,
who grew up in affluence and he had parents that
took care of him. He was into TV and entertainment
before he decided he wanted to get into politics. You
got Platner, whose mother, you know, basically funded his his

(01:04:02):
wanting to be a fisherman. You've got tell Rico and
the candidate for Senate in Texas that shares a bank
account with his mother. You look at you look at Rocanna,
the biggest hypocrite in the world, rips on people of
wealth while he's so wealthy, he's given his minor children
each golf course to own. It seems like the people
that want to socialize or create this communist equal outcome

(01:04:25):
form of government didn't live in it, don't intend to
be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Is it is it as hypocritical as it looks to
me out here.

Speaker 14 (01:04:34):
I couldn't agree more with you. You know, I live
in California, and you know I see this kind of mentality,
and you know, it's it's also historically accurate that when
you look at these stalitarian you know, Marxists, whatever you
want to call these societies, the people at the top
are are living in luxury. It's it's the it's the

(01:04:55):
poverty that is rampant throughout society as they act hypocritically,
this class warfare mentality. So this is nothing new. The
problem is that we in my generation, I don't think
any of us saw this coming. That somehow our own kids,
our own younger generation, are going to be pushing the

(01:05:18):
virtues of socialism and literally electing people who are pushing that,
which is basically electing people who want to control you
with totalitarian rules. Again, we've failed. I lay a lot
of the blame. Okay, we can't say it's somebody else's fault,
it's the parents. But I also think it is the universities.

(01:05:39):
You know, I've been working at it as a you know,
as a professor my whole career, and I see it,
you know, at the so called elite universities where you know,
we all know they have really perverted the history of
the country.

Speaker 10 (01:05:54):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:05:55):
And this idea of oh we got to get rid
of grades, we got to get rid of.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Say, scores.

Speaker 14 (01:06:01):
I think there's some backlash going on.

Speaker 10 (01:06:03):
That's the good news.

Speaker 14 (01:06:04):
And I also want to add, did I work a
lot with young people, mentoring and networking, and there are many,
many very outstanding young people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
From the Hoover Institute. That is Scott Atlas joining us
on our Newsmaker line. The best advice I ever heard
from somebody once, Greg was don't be afraid to let
your children fail, you know, because they learned to pick
themselves up and grow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yep. Yeah, adversity is it's the enemy to the week
and the companion of a champion. I mean, the adversity
is just you got to get used to it. It's
you need it. It doesn't work without it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So did you come up with that on your own
or did you learn that from somebody?

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
No, that's I read that from Davo Swingey, Swingey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
The oh that's good line. Yeah, all right, mare coming up, Ronick,
Greg with you on this wing Man Wednesday in Utah's
talk radio one oh five. Die can arrests. Hey, we
want to follow up. We had quite a few talkback
comments being made as we were talking about data centers,
so we thought we've got time now. We thought we'd
play a few of those for you. But before we

(01:07:08):
get to that, Greg, I love this email that came
into the show from Kurt. He's a listener fan of
the show. He said, I'm getting my butt handed to
me by a sixty five Mustang I'm working on right now.
I would call in, but he ended it raising a
very good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Question, sixty Yeah, I need to bring it by the
ship by the station.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
He raised a very good question. He says, already we
have what is it? Twelve hundred more than twelve hundred
large data centers in the US right now, in some
forty centers here in that are a little bit smaller.
He says, how many do we need in this country?
Has anybody asked that question?

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
I think it's I think the growth is exponential. I
think that that's why we have to look at nuclear
where nuclear was kind of a stigma for what since
the seventies. I don't think anybody's arguing any longer that
you can resist nuclear power generation because of how much
data is demand is being needed for this emerging economy,
and that that's that's and so I think that starts

(01:08:11):
with your if it's a twelve layer cake of a
new tech economy, you're starting with a layer of power,
which right now could be natural gas, but would be
ultimately the SMRs and small nuclear reactors, and then you
get the data centers, you get the AI. It's all
accelerating very very quickly, and it takes an enormous amount
of power. So to the to the to the our

(01:08:32):
listeners question, how many do we need more than we have?
And that's kind of the reality. And you see the
same race going on around the world. You see China.
You see all these other countries that are on a
mad dash. They have it easier than us because they
don't have to get public buying in China. Doesn't care
what people think, do whatever they want this country. We
got to do it. We got to bring the people along,

(01:08:54):
which makes it harder, but it's the right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Thing, that's the right way to do. Yeah, all right.
We also asked for some of your comments on our
talkback line, which several people left messages about it. Here's
one of them.

Speaker 13 (01:09:05):
Hey, Roden, Greg, I've was all on board the no
data centers for Utah until I've listened to what's the
guy's name. I've listened to his name, But the guy
over the data centers was on iHeartRadio a couple of
days ago talking to Glenn Back, and I was shocked
at the information that's been hidden from me. He mentioned

(01:09:26):
that the data center would do only like a golf
course worths of water. So I just feel like there's
a lot more here than people are talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, you know what, Greg, The more information he's talking
about the Kevin O'Leary interview with Glenn Beck a couple
of days ago, the more information this way, they failed.
I don't think they got enough information out to people
to explain what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
And information is more than just declaring, oh, it'll use
less water, we won't use any power. Because i've heard
those assertions, that's not data. They need to show how
these circulating pumps of water do it today, Show the real.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
The gallon, show how much water.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
They need today, because I've heard this isn't emerging technology,
this is how they're done today. To the point of
how many data centers are coming online right now. They're
not using the water that they had the older data
centers had used, but the power generation and how you're
going to do it, don't just say it. You've got
to show how all that's going to roll out, What
are your phases are, what's the timeline. There is just

(01:10:25):
specificity that has been missing that you have to provide
to a public that's trying to get their head around
this new age and this new economy. It's a lot
to digest in a small amount of time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
And you've heard this before. The less information you put out,
the more misinformation that you're going to get. And I
think that may be happening in Boxfeld County. Let's go
to another one of our comments on our talk back line.

Speaker 15 (01:10:51):
Hey, Rod and Greg, my biggest concern is the MAIDA
group that is approving this. They were formed to keep
for space open and now they're building high regencies that
overlooking Jordanell and approving data centers, and that's my biggest concern,
on top of how the liveability will be for the

(01:11:13):
people people up in Box Elder County.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
You would know more about the MITA group than I do. Greg,
Is she right? I mean, are they doing more than
they than they were originally set up to do?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
I do?

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I think human nature, there's this pendulum and I don't
know why people can't moderate or just but MIDA was
really focused with the land at the buffer of land
around military bases and military installations and how to put
good like engineering things that are related to the to
UH to the military in those vicinities. And then they
kind of grew. They had this they have this land

(01:11:46):
use authority and they grew from there. I think it
has departed from its original intent.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
All Right, Moore coming up Rough and Greg with you
on this Wingman Wednesday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine n RS. But I have never heard one
up until Donald Trump and his second administration talk more
about fraud and weeding out fraud in the federal government
and at all levels of government. It is pretty amazing
what they've been able to do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
It really is. I mean, there are some areas that
I think America thought we would see fraud, and the
numbers are staggering, much more than I think we were expecting.
But then you get into areas like our public education
system across this country, and I think that what's being
uncovered right now in real time. I don't know why
it took this long, but I sure am glad it's

(01:12:33):
being reported on now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Well, there is a new report out talking taking a
look at K through twelve education fraud, and it's pretty
amazing the amount of money that they have discovered so far.
Joining us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line right now
is Jeremy Portanoy. He's an investigative journalist with Opening the books.
He's been taking a look at this. Jeremy, how are you,
and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for
joining us, Jeremy are Jeremy. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 16 (01:13:01):
Jeremy, Thanks for having me. Can you hear me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Now, yeah, I can. I can thank you, Jeremy. Take
a look at give us some of the highlights from
this report. When you take a look at fraud in
education K through twelve, what do you found out?

Speaker 17 (01:13:17):
So we went back to twenty nineteen and we've reviewed
every prosecuted confirmed KESE education fraud and key through twelve schools.
We found close to one hundred instances across twenty four
different states and Puerto Rico, totaling two hundred and twenty
five million dollars. And again, that's just what's being prosecuted.

(01:13:37):
It doesn't even include what's got unprosecuted. It doesn't include
the hundreds of millions that are likely undetected.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
So there's really a small sliver of the true picture
of what we're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I have a question you you point out some staggering fraud.
You talk about there's a single individual in California, a
school executive who has admitted to stealing more than three
million dollars over five years, two hundred and twenty thousand
dollars on Disney cruises and Disney parks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
But then you point out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
That Indiana as a state is where was one of
the where was some of the most were some of
the fraud, most of the fraud has happened, or where
you saw a lot of the fraud are the Is
Indiana just good at finding the fraud better than other states,
or is it occurring more where you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
See the numbers the largest in a respective state.

Speaker 17 (01:14:30):
It's certainly possible Indiana just doing a better job at
finding it. In Indiana's case, it was really just this
one big scheme that resulted in forty four million loss,
which was such a huge amount. They were inflating attendance
numbers in two different schools that increased their state funding illegally,
and then the founder of those schools allegedly went and
sent that funding to companies that he himself owned or

(01:14:52):
that his family members owned. But we also see it
and see like Florida and Illinois have the most just
number of case. There were eleven confirmed cases in each
of those states. So those are the states where it's
obviously worth thinking a bit more because there's likely even
more that's gone undetected.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Jeremy, this is anything new, My guess. This has been
going on for quite some time. What has taken us
so long to find out about it?

Speaker 16 (01:15:15):
Jeremy, of course.

Speaker 17 (01:15:18):
I mean we've been funding Alarm Bell for a long time.
It opened the books. This is why we were founded
to dig into this sort of fraudulent spending. But like
you mentioned just a few moments ago, we really have
seen the administration, at least verbally take this much more seriously.
So we're hoping that we'll see these fraudulent payments really
start to decrease. So far in twenty twenty five, we

(01:15:40):
did not see fraud go down by much, but we're
hoping that once we get those twenty twenty six numbers,
we'll start to see a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
You know, the education establishment, teachers' unions nationally are seeing
this movement towards parental choice. They're seeing that parents are
finding different ways to deliver education to their children. And
there's states that including you, that are looking we have
a utah fits all scholarship, but this backpack funding concept.
In response, the education establishment and the teacher unions are
fine tooth coming and trying to find where these dollars

(01:16:11):
might be misspent or misused, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Try to make a really big deal about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
When you read your report, it sounds like, you know, hey,
pot I'm kettle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
You're black.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
It does not look like they should be making the
kind of accusations and clutching pearls the way they are.
Is there a way for the public to understand the
kind of fraud and the and the abuse going on
in our public schools to kind of put everything in perspective.

Speaker 17 (01:16:37):
It's really just about increased oversight, whether it's public school
funding or private school vouchers.

Speaker 16 (01:16:42):
I mean referring reports you know about vouchers.

Speaker 17 (01:16:46):
Being used on you know, trampolines and field trips and
exercise equipments. Not that it's not a problem, but at
the same time, we've seen so much going on in
public schools, not just fraud, but also I've dug into
a lot of schools around the country where we see
you know, teachers building taxpayers for steak dinners for one
hundred dollars a person, and you know, staff building trips

(01:17:09):
to the Las Vegas Strip and things like that that
aren't technically illegal, but probably a lot of taxpayers would
have an issue with funding. So on both sides, in
the public schools and in private school vouchers, we see
a lot of waste going on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Jeremy, I can only imagine the damage being done as
a result of this fraud. Because with this fraud, isn't
money being taken away from our children to give them
the best education we possibly can. Isn't that the major
damage that has been done with all of this fraud, Right.

Speaker 17 (01:17:38):
That's what why we focused in on this issue. Obviously,
fraud in any domain is a problem, but this we
feel is particularly egregious because you're taking money. It's not
a lot of it was meant specifically for low income children,
but all of it was obviously meant to help kids,
you know, learn how to do mass learn how to
read and write. But it's just going into these administrators pockets.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Who do you think would be the best.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
So we talk about transparency, and I absolutely agree that
good stewards of the taxpayer dollars without regard to public schools,
private school vouchers, you name it, transparency, bright lights need
to be applied.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
What would you say is the best source of the
audits and the and and this kind of scrutiny because
you don't want to let the fox in the henhouse
do the counting of the hens. You want to make
sure that it is truly transparent. Do you have any
idea how that scrutiny and how that process should play out, Well.

Speaker 17 (01:18:33):
It's twofold. Part of it is just increasing oversight staff
within the state governments. We see a lot of times
state bureaucracy are just expanding so rapidly and they're not
hiring auditors and compliance officers at the same time to
make sure that that expansion happens with the proper oversight
and the money is being spent properly. But then second,
all these dispersements need to be made public. That's what

(01:18:56):
we do at Open the Books. We file tens of
thousands of open records plus every year to get all
this spending online so that different private groups can audit
it and right because, like you said, you don't want
the Fox carding the house.

Speaker 16 (01:19:08):
You need an independent group.

Speaker 17 (01:19:10):
Also, we're seeing this and making sure that you know
it's not just the state themselves saying.

Speaker 16 (01:19:15):
That everything's fine.

Speaker 17 (01:19:16):
You need an outside source coming in and really reviewing
where this money is going.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Jeremy, why do I think you've only just begun. There'll
be a lot more coming out as your investigations continue.
Am I wrong on that one? Jeremy?

Speaker 16 (01:19:29):
You're not wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:19:31):
I've been doing this for a long time, but I
continue to be shocked at just the sheer amount of
dollar amounts to go to waste every single day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
It's pretty sad too. Jeremy, thank you for a few
minutes of your time. Good to work on this one.

Speaker 16 (01:19:44):
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
All right, don any our newsmaker line Jeremy Portnoy, investigative
journalist with hoping the books, taking a look at fraud
in education K through twelve. A lot of money being
stolen in wasted. Greg gets said, because the damage is
to your kids.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
It is, and I think that it's a sad part
of human nature. I think you got always guard for it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Whether you're talking election integrity, you're talking educate education, delivery,
bright lights, transparency, you gotta have it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
You got to have it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
All right, more coming up, Rod and Greg as we
wrap up the show on This Wingman Wednesday and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine a NRS. Greg A, note,
they just came across. The US House has just passed
the Save America Act.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Yeah, that's right now. They put it in the defense budget.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, they attached it to a must pass national security
legislation by a vote of two seventeen to two oh nine.
It now goes to the Senate. So they got smart
and kind of attached it to this military spending bill.
And if they don't pass that bill, a military gets
so money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, well, you know, the Democrats don't mind if we
don't have a military, so you know, I mean, they're
not going to play ball. No, So then you're back
to the Senate having to either you know, debate this
bill until they come along or something. But those senators
aren't used to working like this. The House keeps embarrassing
them by sending over the Save America Act in every way,
shape and form, and then they just throw their arms

(01:21:12):
up like they don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Yeah. Breaking story tonight, Greg that we saw and we've
been talking a lot about the data centers. Well the
word is tonight the two Democratic aligned Utah groups are
assuing Kevin O'Leary and apparently Fox News overclaims that they
were Chinese operatives disparaging the strauted data center project. Olarry

(01:21:34):
says he'll vigorously fight it and intend to bring connections.
And you and I were talking about this, bring it
on baby, because we may get to see where the
alligance for Better Utah gets its money.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I'll tell you what Aligns for Better Utah does, and
so does this elevate Utah? They get money from nefarious sources.
Data Republicans done a lot of good work. She is
incredible at following the money and she's shown that the charts,
he gets Discovery, he gets the subpoena records. Jay otta
just take their finances down to a penny and show

(01:22:08):
all the places they are getting it from. Because if
it's not China, it's probably worse. Okay, I think he
got I hope Kevin O'Leary and Fox News absolutely launch
on these two. They think this is a big media stunt.
I think they should use this as an opportunity to show,
maybe very publicly, who funds theseft of these leftist groups
here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah. A couple of lighter notes before we wrap up tonight.
Greg the World Cup semi final again today, So it's
going to be Spain and Argentina in the World Cup Final.
But World Cup Freddy, who has really gained notoriety in
this country, is still around. He got a trip to
the Great Smoky mountains, okay, and he actually had fun

(01:22:49):
with American firearms. Someone laid out this whole table of
different guns which he could never shoot in Germany, but
he did in the United States and he absolutely loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
We've all loved Freddie and he's been he's been everybody's
he's been one of many, but boy, it's been a
It's it's been fun to see him and all the
tourists from the World Cup coming to just share their
impressions of America. And I love all the different people
that have reached out to them to try and make
their stay even more enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
It's it's been fun, and we we've been great. We
have really opened our arms up to everybody from around
the world. We have really treated them very very well.
And I think Greg is going a real taste of
what America is about, not the America that their home
country pertrades America about. And I think it's been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
I've loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I've loved to see that them just say, this is
not what was advertised. We were told this is a
bloodthirsty nation. They hated Europe, violent or they hated foreigners.
It was so violent and it's just been the opposite.
It's and it's good to see. It's a good reminder
for me. I mean, I've loved this country, but I
love hearing hearing it and reading it and new eyes

(01:24:00):
and ears in terms of people that see it, speak
it and really express how impressed and how much they
enjoyed the country. One gentleman that was leaving was crying.
He was crying Germany. It was sad that he was leaving,
and he was tearful about it. And it's it's fun
to see and it just proves that we are pretty
fortunate to live in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Yeah, okay, one thing I don't understand about World Cup.
And I know you you know we've tried to become fans, right,
maybe a little bit. Yes, they hold they hold a
match for third place. Why would you want to play
for a third place? Yeah, France and England will play
for third place.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Money maybe even if you're in second place, you're the
first place loser.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Money maybe who knows? All right, that does it for
us tonight, head up, shoulders back, May God bless you
and your family. That's great country of ours. It's a
huge drive faith. We'll see in the studio tomorrow, sir,
all right, I'm gonna do with everybody

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