The Rod and Greg Show: Steel Across America Tour; K-Shaped Economies

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have got a fully packed, powerful show today.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's right. We do. We do some of these stories,
you know, they take their time. Arc is a little
bit longer than just one show or one segment of
a show, and so some of these things we're going
to visit are things that we might have mentioned yesterday,
but these are developing stories and worth a continued conversation.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, well, I'm really looking forward to an interview later
on in the show. The Tunnel to Towers Organization, yes,
which is a great organization. You see the wonderful work
they do.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
A few months ago they launched Steal across America and
what they have done is taken a steel beam from
the remains of the twin Towers and have set it
up and are taking it around the country to remind
people of what happened on nine to eleven. It's twenty
five years ago this September.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's hard to believe it's twenty five years ago, because
it seems like it occurred more recent than that. Yeah,
but it is. We've talked a lot on the show
and we'll continue. We'll talk about these museums and our
history and who's writing it, who's telling the story. I
am so grateful we have a Tunnel to Towers organization
that not only is helping us remember important moments of
American history and pivotal moments, but they spend so much

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time helping those first responders who find themselves paralyzed or harmed,
or widowed, people that families that are widowed. They have
done so much good from such an absolute tragic moment
in American history. So I'm good for them. I am
so happy that they are going around making sure we
don't forget. And I think visuals like that, yeah, tell
better than a paragraph or a conversation, is to see

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something like that. And what would they be at the Capita?
Is at the Capitol. It's called Steel Across America. Like
I said, they've taken a steel beam from one of
the twin towers. They've mounted it, have it on a display,
taking it around the country in a truck. It will
be at the state Capitol, I think tomorrow morning at eleven.
But we're going to be talking with Steven Siller Junior,
whose dad was killed as matter of fact, during nine

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to eleven that's when this foundation began by his uncle Frank.
But Steven will join us later on talk about this.
If you want to do something, see it again. He
will be up to the state Capitol tomorrow. That's just
one of the many interviews I look forward to having
on the show today. Now I have a shocker for you. Now,
I know this is going to shock you and going
to shock my audience. Okay, our audience.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I should say our audience. I think I've found a
reason why I like Journey. Yes, there's a breakthrough, folks.
I think this is we're having a moment. Now there's
a moment for the audience. Who doesn't know I'm not
a big Journey fan.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You have had an unreasonable disliked to one of the
great I mean bands, come on, bands of America.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Let's be honest. Is there a band music that you
do not like?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know what, I'm trying to like country. I'm just
I've never gravitated to country music by so I have
some songs I kind of like, but it's not a
it's not a genre of music I listened to. It's
not on all my playlists.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I'll just say yeah, yeah, But there are bands that.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
You just eh, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. Yeah,
he's the biggest rock fan I know, and he does
like Zeppelin, and but I don't like the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't like well they're before your time.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a big fan of.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That big fan. Well, I don't like their music, but
I do like a member of Journey. You know why
you don't like their music? Guy, not into the music yet.
But I've found a reason why I like a member
of the band. He's their keyboard is his name is
Jonathan Kane. Okay, he has come out and basically told
Bruce Springsteen to shut up beautiful.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So you know what this should tell your ear drums
to start listening up to Journey because this is this
is truth here, this is a good band.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, he said an interview. I mean, who cares guys
do your art. I try to keep politics out of
my music. I'm a diehard conservative, and guys like Bruce
Springsteen should shut up, you know, really honestly, shut up, Bruce.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's why, you know it's it's the problem with entertainers today.
They think they're they're all they are are modern day
court gesters. Yeah, they're here to amuse us. They are
here to entertain us. We are supposed to smile, We're
supposed to be amused by what they do, their art
that they performed, be it acting, creating music, whatever it is.
They they get popular because they're good at amusing us
and entertaining us, and somehow that gives them some social

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standing to tell us what to do. When did that happen?
When do you see that in the in the in
the stories of the medieval court, with the jester with
the funny hat on telling the king and everybody else
what to do. Yeah, I don't. You know, maybe they
had a secret, you know, advisory role, but but I don't.
I don't find anything that entertainers want to tell me
of any cut from any clubs.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's not why I like entertainers.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Jane said it.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't preach politics on stage. I don't spend ten
minutes talking about it. So Bruce shut up.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Good, good for him.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So see, I'm not a member, I'm not a fan
of the music, but at least one member of that band.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Don't stop believing. Just don't stop believing.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now you will love this story, and I know our
audience will as well, because you've railed on this about
the attacks on Tesla.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, the Tesla takedown. It was disgusting. That should have been.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
More illegal than remembers of Minnesota state in employee who
is kinda on camera keen like twenty five Teslas? Yes,
back in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, well, guess what has happened to him? He's a
state worker. Okay, keyd six Teslas. He's been promoted and
given a fat raise.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Are you kidding me now that your antony justice has
finally been served?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
His name is Dylan Ryan Adams. He's a fiscal policy
analyst at the Minnesota Department of Human Services. The damage
that he was charged with was twenty one thousand dollars. Well,
the Hennepin County attorney, her name is Mary Moriarity, declined
to file charges against him. Oh, of course, of course, right. Instead,

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he was offered a diversion program intended for certain first
time offenders. Police department went crazy, they objected to it.
But now he's gone through the program, he has been
given a promotion and to raise within Minnesota state government.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So let's just make a mental note that when someone
decries the nasty partisanship, even the violence going on in
this country, it is not both sides. That is not
a story you're going to find on the right. When
they've committed a crime, damaged six cars, they were a
state worker and they there were no The prosecutor declined
to charge them or press those charges, gave him a
diversion program, and now they're promoted. There's no equivalent of

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that on the right happening. This is just the leftist.
The left embraces violence because they want to create fear forment,
fear to compel behavior. Yeah, it's and it's in their
tool shed. This is what they do. This is them.
This is not these There are not right and left
examples of that story. You just yeah, well they cut
this guy right handed. Remember we were all looking at
the video. Yes, means the one ground is keen. These

(06:37):
very expensive testla and teslas have their own video too.
They can tell they can record you when you hit down.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
His fine was twenty one thousand dollars, yes, okay, or
the damage done to the vehicles, you have to pay it.
Apparently he had to pay it, but he never spent
a moment in jail. He went to a diversion program,
you know what those are all about. And then he
goes back to work, he's given a raise in a
new position and an increase in pay.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Probably to make up for that twenty one K he
had to pay out, you know. And this is the thing,
is that if again, if you look at you remember
during the Biden administration, people that were there were pro
life and they were they were protesting. They were thrown
in jail, they were going out, and they they went
after them. It's the opposite. It's not that that people
that commit crimes are ignored. You had people that were
not committing crimes that were treated like criminals and thrown

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in jail for what they were doing. And so I
just think that if it makes everyone feel better. And
I don't think this is I'm talking to our listening
audience here, but I think our listening audience is watching
this like we are. If people are out there saying,
you know, it's just so bad and it's everyone, you know,
the blame, we can spread the blame everywhere, that is
just not the case. It's not true. No, it's not.

(07:42):
This is what the left is fomenting, fear to compel behavior,
and they do it through violence.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
But well, and you know what it is, Greg, if
you're on the left and you commit any type of violence,
especially if it's director toward those of us on the right,
you'll never be prosecuted. Yeah, to be cachard, you will
be arrested. You can get away with almost murder in
this country anymore if you're attacking someone on the right.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And the scary part is, let's say you're in DC
and you have a Department of Justice that wants to
go after someone for committee a crime. Good luck with
a grand jury in the DC jurisdiction if that, if
they smell that that the crime is against a Democrat,
there's no crime here.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Remember the guy who threw a subway sandwich at a
police officer. Yeah, he got off.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, you're not allowed to strike an officer with a pillow,
with a with anything. Okay, forget the sandwich. You just
allowed to hit him. This guy, he's a he he works.
I think I think he worked for the Department of Justice.
Did he struck a federal officer, which, by definition of
the law is against it, and so he should have
been indicted easily. He couldn't even get indicted and die.
They say, you can indict a ham sandwich or you

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can't ham sandwich before the Democrat. You can't get a
Democrat diet it for anything.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today
here on the Rod and Greg Show, Wingman Wednesday. Good
to be with you when we come back. Why do
college kids in America need to roll us? We'll talk
about it coming up next. And I love the story
you tell Greg about your son who just graduated from
Utah State and what he learned while he was up
there that if you want to get a good grade
on a paper, just write that you believe everything the

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professor told you.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, the question he had nothing but self loathing as
a privileged white kid of mine. Yeah, you know, if
he's Hughes's kid, you know they got a lot to
apologize for. And so you got him good grades.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I came across this article and that's why I
love this as written by our next guest. His name
is David Kelsey's an author contributor at the Washington Examiner.
The headline is stop apologizing for your beliefs. Why college
kids need to grow a spine. David, how are you?
And welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show. Thanks for
joining us.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Hi Rod and Greg, great to be here. Thanks for
having me.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Great article. Why do they need to grow a spine?
What do you see happening out there?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
David?

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm a few years removed from college,
but I can't imagine it's too different from when I
was there. In my experience, I can count probably thousands
of times where I was in the library or I was,
you know, just observing and listening to other students and
they were talking about essays that they had, and you
often hear the term, well, I think this is the

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profess what the professor wants us to say. And I
just think that's completely backwards, because any paper or any
anything that you contribute to the classroom should be what
you think you should say, and now what someone else
thinks you should say.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wait, so that's so intuitive. It sounds like you're you're
advocating for critical thinking. Okay, it sounds like that. You know,
if you have a belief, if you have a take,
be ready to defend it and have it challenged and
go through that exercise. That would be what I would
think higher institutions of higher learning would be promoting. But
it does not seem like there's much space for critical

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thinking or diversity of thought nowadays. Am I just am
I just negative? Or is it that? Is that the case?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Greg, You're spot on. See the thing is part of
the issue is and and the fault lies entirely with
these professors. As you know, we know, Harvard did a study.
I think it's about fifty to sixty percent of professors
on the national scale identify as liberal, but as a
you know, some of the private institutions, it's really closer
to eighty percent. So the problem is professors they identify

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where they you know, where they stand politically pretty much
right away, even if the subject matter has nothing to
do with politics. I mean, I had a professor who
was you know, he taught investor relations, and every single day,
somehow Donald Trump managed to come up into the conversation
even though it had absolutely nothing to do with what
we were talking about. And so of course the student
is going to be terrified to say what they really

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think if the professor, you know, spend half the time
talking about how much they hate the president.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
No, yeah, true.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I love what you point out, David about this this
tactic that people on the left use, and the fact
that they try and guild you into believing that you
don't care about humanity if you oppose anything they'd say
that does happen.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, well, you know, Rob, I mean the thing is
the last what they do so well is not only indoctrinating,
but but they they kind of they're viewed as a
party of civil rights and sort of you know, fighting
for the little guy, right, That's always been kind of
their philosophy. But you know, the fact is the working
class voters have shifted now to the Republicans because they

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understand that the Democrat policies, you know, they're not actually
doing anything to make their you know, to help make
their lives better. So I think, you know, particularly young
students Republicans that are in college, they need to get it,
you know, get back to talking about how the things
that the Republican Party does actually helps the working class
and minorities. And if we could see, if we could

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view the Republicans as the group that's actually you know,
fighting for rights, I think maybe maybe dare I say,
we might get a few more voters.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So everything you're saying resonates with me. But here's the
but here is the fork in the road at least this,
and Rod mentioned this as we're bringing on my son's
own example. He's now graduated. Uh, but but he had
friends and he told me, I've got friends that when
the when the professors would lean in to their philosophy,
as you point out, isn't even related to the curriculum. Uh,
you know, they would push back and uh. But when

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they did their papers or when they were asked to
submit something for a grade, they would try it. They
they would do something that they they knew that their
professor would not concur with, and their grades suffered because
of it. My son was saying, you're you're spitting in
the wind doing this. I'm just gonna go ahead, and
this is a game. I'm going to play that game
because I want I want to graduate. I got to

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get through this. And so how do you practically apply
what you're talking about? Is it just strengthen numbers? Because
I want to believe that students should and would be
successful in doing what you're saying, really challenge these professors
or this liberal thought. But it doesn't work. I mean
there's a lot of I mean a lot of punishment
that can come with speaking your mind.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah, no, I mean, Greg Lilli gets a fair point.
And obviously, you know, every student could do what they
think will get them, you know, the best possibility of
graduating and getting a job. So I've never advised against,
you know, deliberately.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Harming your grade.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
But what I would say is, and what I say is,
if you can defend what you're saying, whether it's in
an essay, whether it's when you're contributing the class, if
it seems rational, if there's fact, if there's logic, if
there's just common sense behind it, then why not say it?
Because you know, look, if when you're in a job,
you're you're ideally you're getting paid to provide input. And

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so if you're not actually saying what you believe in
a job, sorry, in a classroom, then of course you're
you're gonna be hesitant to speak up once you get
into the workforce.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's true, David, Is this one attracted a lot of
students to Charlie Kirk because didn't he do this when
he went on campus? He just shot the truth and
you know, and said this is what I believe and
always guy, he had good arguments. Is this what attracted
young people to Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 5 (14:59):
I really think it's I mean, there were a lot
of things that attracted young people to Charlie Kirk. You
know he was he was an excellent speaker, uh, you know,
well read on history and philosophy and the constitution. But yeah,
I think ultimately it was his fearlessness and his ability
to encourage college students and even high school students to

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you know, to read more and to learn more about
the fact. And once you have the ideas and you've
done the research, then be confident in your conviction and
in your belief and stand firm and don't do not
The main thing is not to be not to allow
other people to intimidate you for having the beliefs and
to guilty into thinking that somehow, you know, you're a
morally evil person for having certain beliefs, like if you want.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
To you know, secure the border, let's say.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
That you're xenophobic. I mean, we cannot allow these labels
that are false, by the way, to prevent us from
talking and and you know, having a dialogue about the
things that that we care about.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Dave a great article today, your point and made a
lot of good points. Thank you so much for joining us, David.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Thanks for having me on you guys all right on.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Our newsmaker line. That is David Kelts. He is a
columnist with the Washington Examiner, talking about it's time for
all of us. I believe this applies to everybody, Greg, now,
that the college kids stop apologizing for what we believe in.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's sad the state of things right now. Because I
was I was the editorial editor of then UVSC now UVU,
of the school paper, and and just the different people
that I got to know that were from BYU, even
associate professors, and the debates that we would get into.
They helped form my worldview going forward. And there was
a lot that was challenged. There's a lot you had

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to I mean, I just I think I benefited from
the things that David speaks about in this article, but
I don't. I just don't know that there's there's room
or how you make room for that in today's higher ed.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Be difficult, it'll be brave. All right, Moore, coming up,
Rod and Greg with you on this Wednesday we head
into the midterm elections, which, by the way, I think
it's one hundred and four days away today. It's kind
of crazy that it's coming on away. Very very quickly.
Is the economy the state of the economy. A lot
of people are struggling. Grocery prices, certainly, gasoline prices, greg
It's really causing a lot of people concern.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It is. And again all politics is local. I mean,
if you're filling it and I don't care what someone
wants to tell you the stock market's doing. If you're
having a difficult time at the supermarket or at the
gas pump, yeah, you're not going to be a happy camper.
It'll either quiet and limit the vote, get out the
vote for a Republican candidate, or they'll vote for a Democrat,

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just wanting to have a difference.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, a lot of people right now are talking about
case shaped economics, and our next guest says they signal
that soaring abundance for all Americans. His name is John Tamney.
He is an editor at Real Clear Markets.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
John. Great to have you back on the show.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
John.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
A couple of weeks ago, I heard Warren Buffett talk about,
you know, wealth in American He said, do you realize
do Americans realize that they're better off today than the
richest man in the world back in the nineteen twenties,
John D. Rockefeller, what do you make of it?

Speaker 7 (18:00):
John, I don't think they do. But that's not It
doesn't insult Americans. It's just to comment that you never
know when you're living it how prosperous you are. Precisely
because there's so much prosperity in the United States, there's
an assumption if you don't have as much as someone else,
you think, oh well, things are bad. But precisely too.

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If it was Warren Buffett's point, John D. Rockefeller didn't
enjoy air conditioning for all or much of his life. Wow,
think about that alone. How much Americans take that for granted?
He certainly didn't have a mobile phone, let alone a
smartphone that had installed in it basically a supercomputer. He

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didn't have a personal computer either. If he had a phone,
which he would have had, most of the people he
knew wouldn't have had a phone. It's amazing what we
all have today. Reason we have it is that people
got enormously rich mass producing it for us, and it's

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something that we owe it to ourselves to constantly remind ourselves,
but also others.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know, it never never dawn on me that Rockefeller's
you know Rolodex was tiny. Who was he gonna call?
Nobody had a phone. I hadn't really put that together. Now, Listen,
I grew up in Pittsburgh, raised by a single mother,
and my life is very, very different than the life
my kids are young adults now in their twenties. But
I lived in a very different circumstances. Not maybe not
as drastic as what John D. Rockefeller spent most of

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his life without AC, but it was very different. And
I would take my children, who we've grown up but
they've grown up in Utah, back to Pittsburgh just to
kind of see other ways that people live. But is
there that kind of leap the way I grew up
in the seventies and eighties versus how the kids are
growing up now, where they can see or measure kids
don't As you've said, kids don't know what they don't know.

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Is there a way for them to measure and appreciate
what they have and where we were not that long ago.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Well, certainly, I think Pittsburgh's a great example. It's so
easy to forget that for the longest time, there were
more priests and pastors than there were bibles. If you
owned a book I'm not exaggerating. That was like owning
a private jet. In some ways, no one owned books,

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and so the books of the past, the little things
were put in them. If you don't return this, this
happens to you as is you didn't borrow a book
and didn't return it. Then Carnegie put books and created
libraries around the country after making his fortune in Pittsburgh.

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The fact that books are available to everyone now, now
that people just give them away, is such a sign
once again of why people are rich. They mass produce
former luxuries and so, yeah, do kids recognize this, of
course not, But I would say that's a sign of progress.
I'm not gonna say these kids today. Yeah, the minute

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we stop saying these kids today they don't appreciate it
things is the minute, you know, we've got to be worried.
All we know is Americans is progress. And that's why
people always complain about young people. They say, oh, they're
so spoiled, they're so entitled, they have no idea. Thank goodness,
they have no idea. You know where they have an

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idea is in the Congo and Africa. The kids there
can't be around their grandparents enough. And why is their
grandparents talk to them about things they've never seen, like
cars and motorcycles. You don't want to live in a
world where kids aren't entitled.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, I live in a talent little suburb called Draper.
I call these kids of mind draper soft. But I
think you're right. I think that one of the moments
that really I think it was a good recalibration for me.
But I think it's broader than that was the World Cup.
The World Cup and all the commentary from people all
over the world, fans from all over the world that
converged to our country and then had on social media

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platforms to share their experiences or impressions. Boy does it
help for me. I thought it brought incredibly a needed
perspective and it was a good reminder for me. Do
you think that that has that that it did that,
and would something like that continue where you start to
get that maybe global perspective, so you know what the
United States is really like?

Speaker 7 (22:27):
Well, it made me weepy to hear that, yes, people
coming here and seeing our greatness. But think about that. See,
I think I mentioned this in the column. I went
to the World Cup final in nineteen ninety four and
passed into California. It wasn't a cheap ticket, but it
was certainly accessible. This many years later, the whole world,

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because remember we were just emerging from communism. Then around
the world, this many years later, the whole world's coming
to the United States, and there's coming to the United
States and bidding up tickets because they finally got money.
And then these people who finally have money, who are
buying up hotel rooms and bars, clearing out bars and everything,

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are seeing. Oh you want to see who really has money.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
It's the American people.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
I get so weepy about all this the people get.
At one time, I went to a really rich family's
house in London. I mean this was a massive horse estate.
I cleaned them out of ice during an afternoon.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
And so when I was reading about how these people
around the world are ache just blown away that everything's
air conditioned in the US, and that also they love
all our ice machines.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yes, John, you know you're talking, you right, John, about
the k shaped economies and it signals of soaring abundance.
Counter that with this socialist movement that is now starting
to grip some of the country or some people in
this country. What do you make of all this, John,
and how is it impacting us?

Speaker 7 (24:08):
It makes me optimistic too. You don't want to live
in a country where there aren't people who are going socialists.
Let me explain.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Oh yeah, you got walk through that one.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
Think about it. If the three of us were running
the United States right now, we would create a scenario
where there'd be multiple Elizabeth Warrens, multiple aocs, multiple Bernie Sanders.
Where do those people get their lift off? They get
it from wealth creation. They exist to demagogue wealth. You

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think there's a lot of those in the Congo, You
think there's a lot of those in West Virginia. No,
those people exist in places where there's lots of wealth.
And again I'm not saying they're good people, but that's
where they get that. They exist to demagogue an abundant
wealth creation. So no, I'm not buying that the US

(25:02):
is going socialists. That's utter nonsense. For one, if it
were true, we'd see it in the stock market. Stock
markets look ahead, they'd be selling off like crazy. These
Americans were going collectivists. So I'm not buying that. But
I'm also buying it. Go to New York City sometime.
For one, the population of prosperous people continues to grow there.
But for two, even the socialists in New York City

(25:24):
are incredibly ambitious. Socialism's are fad. Gosh, If young people
ever become serious in this country, I want to move out,
because again that's a sign of down of declining prosperity.
Of course, there's lots of socialists here. You can be
stupid in a country this prosperous. You can't be stupid

(25:47):
in Bangladesh.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Tom, thank you very much for joining us. I love
that you can be stupid.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
In a prosperous country. You cannot be stupid in Bangladesh,
and that is actually a true principle.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Think about it, folks, all right, bore coming up the
Rod and Greg Show in the five o'clock hour. There
is a certain rule that's never been enforced when it
comes to flying in an airplane. Is a legislation apparently
passed several years ago. Well, now the FAA is considering
enforcing it, and we're going to get your your reaction
to it, because it's an interesting, interesting thing they're trying

(26:19):
to do. And I know a lot of people in
our listening audience fly a lot. A couple of notes
on the World Cup greg a Sunday's final, which, by
the way, was pretty boring match. While my opinion unless
maybe the last ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
One zero, I mean, that's a barn burner. But isn't
that isn't that? Isn't that soccer?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah? I guess.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So the final, it drew sixty two point eight million people.
That's a pretty good number.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Is that sixty in America?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Wow? Really?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Fox News sixty two the most watched World Cup final
on soccer telecast in American history.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's that's I'm shocked by that. But you know what,
I'm shocked, but I'm not. I think there's a lot
of a lot of a lot of excitement just generally
over this. But I think it was even broader than
that sport. So you know, at least my excitement was
broader than the sport itself.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Guess what the I R S is in trouble again.
Spain won what is it, fifty million dollars to win
the World's Cup. Okay, the I R S wants to
tax thirty percent of it.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Just wonderful. You know, Spain's gonna treat that like a
build of NATO or the UN. They're just gonna be like, yeah,
America will pay it. My America will pay We're not
paying any Trump added a threat, No, we're not gonna
do any trade with Spain. They're just they're just not good.
You know, they're not good partners. All of a sudden,
you know, they start paying their dues to NATO. See
if they pay this bill.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Ye, the price could be subject to federal taxes, potentially
up to thirty percent.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
The I R s. You gotta love them.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah right, yeah, we'll see chase Spain, leave the arrest,
leave Americans alone. Just go after Spain. Go up to that?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Why not? All right?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Coming up in the next hour, hour number two with
the Rod and Greg Show on This Wingman Wednesday, banning
certain disruptive conversations on your next airline flu, We'll tell
you what's up and get your reaction.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
To the chiming.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You were telling me you didn't realize a wicked storm
hitting your area last night.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I didn't. It might have hit, but I'm a deep sleeper.
Maybe maybe maybe Dorothy's house came flying by. I didn't
even notice. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
This was in the evening. I mean I went out
and looked south. I live up in Davis County. It
looked like the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Here was probably Salt Lake City. I think there's always
a dark cloud. It looks like Ghostbusters with that dark
cloud over the building. That's just Salt Lake City. I
think that's always happening. It's an evil it's an evil place.
That's the city. Well yeah, yeah, so I could see
the Ghostbusters a cloud over that.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I mean, there was lightning and everything. Man, they just
must be getting whacked and you didn't get a thing.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
And I want to recall the night before. I remember
there being a storm, but not last night. Really, maybe
I'm wrong, And they're talking.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And how about the people on South in Beaver County,
those counties down there, they're really this huge fire has
now turned into a flooding disaster.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
They closed Eye fifteen the other day.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I know it came right over the freeway. I guess
when you know, you have everything's burned up and then
the rain comes, it doesn't absorb it, just it just
creates the mudslide. It just doesn't have anywhere to go,
so you can't hit with fire and then you get
the flood. And I just the irony of that is
just too cruel to think about it. I mean, it's
it's sad, really sad.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
All right, let's talk for a little bit and we
want to get some of our listener's input on this today.
Remember Greg, years ago, when flying used to be quite
an event. I mean, we didn't none of us flew
that much.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
We'd all get excited and go to the airport and
you know, our family would be right at the gate
and say bye bye. We didn't have all these security checks.
It was flying was an event.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Sure was. I was a ring bearer for my uncle
Tom's wedding and we had to fly to San Francisco
from Pittsburgh, my way to sit in the very back
because my grandma smoked, and they let you smoke on
the planes back then, because magically, if you smoked in
the back of the plane, the people in the front
of the plane they must have been immune to it
because non smoking was the front of the plane. Back
of the plane is smoking, and there was no curtain

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or anything in between. They just, you know, they just
somehow thought that was okay.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Was that your first flight on an air first.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Flight was back?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
How old were you?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
About?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Ten?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Ten? Really ten years old?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
But it was an event. You were excited?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Was I ever? And then I didn't understand that the pressure,
I got the earache, and I'm thinking, oh no, I
got an earache. I must be sick. What's wrong? My
ears are killing?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
The pressure?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And then choose some gum?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, and what today? When you fly? What is the
most annoying thing that takes place? According to you? According
to Gospel? According to Greg Hughes, when you're on an airplane,
what bugs you the most?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
When I have a kid sitting behind me kicking my seat,
or for a while they had these video games on
the monitor of the headrest, and I got a kid
pounding the video game. It is actually just pounding in
the back of my head because my head is resting
on the head rest of the What's what he the
kid thinks is his video game, So he's hitting the
screen and it's just hitting my head. Those are those

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are the things.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
The one that bugs me is the plane is full
all right, all right? And planes anymore don't have a
lot of leg room. They keep on shrinking them right yep.
And the guy in front of you lower's the seat.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
All the way back.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh, I don't mind that really, reach by practice. I
actually don't put my seat back. I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I don't mind a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't mind if someone puts her seat. It's what's
made for all the way back. Yeah, the guy's sitting
in your lap. Well, that's they designed it that way.
I don't get I don't get upset about that. What's
worse is when you when you don't have any overhead
to put your luggage up above. That's it. That's it,
you know, and then you got to like find some
place somewhere to put it in and there. I love
it when they say this is a full flight, we
will check your bag at no charge. At no charge

(31:59):
I have with me for a reason, But for no charge,
you'll check this for me instead.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I don't find it to be a favor, but I
try to not. I try to travel with the backpack
I can just put under my seat because I don't
want to even mess with the overhead.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, I I check in because you know why, I
know it's going to get on the plane.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, yes, yeah, I even have my app.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Lost that luggage, never lost any luggage, And I'll check
it in a carry on if I know if you're
right there, at the gate because I know it's going
to get on the plane.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh you mean checking the carry on Yeah, I think
you men check your bag at the gate.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
They I mean, if we're going for a week or two,
you gotta take some luggage.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, well, I take golf clubs and I go sometimes,
so I put I checked those.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, well you have to.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
They don't want that's not a carry on item. But
I learned the hard.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
While we bring this up because of this, apparently down
the line, airports could become airplanes. Air flights could become
as quiet as libraries.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes, wow for this, Well, this is why I want
to discuss this, because I'm not convinced about this ahead.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well, Congress has now officially introduced another bill to ban
phone calls during flights. Yes, it's okay. It's called the
Quiet Quiet Sky's Act, And basically what it would do
is finalize apparently there's already a long place that you
can't do this, but now would finalize an earlier past

(33:27):
bill to ban all in flight calls on commercial planes.
I've never seen anybody call. I didn't think you were
allowed to begin with.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
So I read this article and I thought, I this
isn't the problem. I've never confronted this when I'm I
don't fly all the time. I mean I don't fly
much my business or anything like that. I do fly,
but not a lot. But I honestly not had people
using their phone while you're flying. So when they say
it's as quite as a library, it's not. Whatever noise
is going on, it's not. I've never seen it by

(33:57):
incessant phone calls being made on an airplane. I swear
they tell you to put it on airplane mode. The planes,
at least Delta planes have Wi Fi, but that Wi
Fi allows you to actually you might be able to
stream on that now. It used to be that you
could do texts and text messages, but there are certain
things you can't open. I think you can watch maybe
movies on it or something now. But point is, there's

(34:20):
still connection connectivity to your smartphone, even when you put
on airplane mode. But the one thing I haven't observed
is anyone just using it to talk talk to someone
on the phone and then they're talking loud and you're
sitting next to them. I've not been confronted with that,
and I wonder if any of our listeners have had
that as an issue.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I do too, because, if passed, according to this article
I saw today, the bill would force the FAA to
officially uphold a previous law. This the law that's what
six years old now. The legislation requires the FAA to
review whether or not regulations were needed regarding passenger voice
calls during flights. Despite the law passing, Congress never set

(34:58):
a deadline on this, so they've never enforce the bill.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
One lawmaker who is behind this said, I love this,
and he said, acknowledge. No one wants to sit next
to a stranger's phone call for three hours of thirty
thousand feet.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Not at all. No one wants to. I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But again I I don't hear.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't think that happens. I don't. That's a that's
a problem in search of a solution, in search of
a problem. For me, I've not seen this as a
as a rampant problem. I haven't seen it as a
problem at all. Apparent I've never had anyone sitting near
me on the phone on a phone. No, if you land,
I've heard people say, hey, we just landed, the getting
picked up, so someone's going to pick them up, and
they when we land and you know they tell you

(35:37):
know you're taxing to your gate. I've heard people call
and tell someone a loved one or whoever, that they've landed.
They'll be at the gates at the curb. Text call.
As soon as you touchdown, you text her call. I've
seen that, but I even that's not annoying to me.
I mean, it's very brief if they make that call.
So I don't know how this is a this where
this is a big problem, but.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Apparently it is, and that that's why apparently legislation is
underway that would basically it's called a disruptive conversation.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Here's my broader question, folks, if this isn't, I'd like
to know if you, if anyone's confront of this where
people are talking loudly on the phone while you're flying.
But if not that, do you have a crazy flight
story of something that did bother you, something that was
you've ever seen the air marshalls ripping someone out or something.
I'm just wondering if we have any because when we

(36:27):
ask people about their their interaction with the wildlife, we
got some doozies, we got some great stories. I wonder
if there's any flight stories out there worth sharing.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
The two common complaints that you'll hear in surveys. Good
surveys have done, have been done on this loud noisy kids.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, somebody you can't handle. Because even that what I
said about the earaches. You know, these little kids, their
ears are gonna start to hurt. You gotta give some space.
And people will take off their shoes. Oh that's disgusting,
and they smell or if they put their feet up. Man,
can you see that? Yeah, yeah, that's gross, that's gross.
The kids screaming. I think some of the kids are

(37:05):
just gonna because their ears hurting. The what are they
going to do? You let them drink a bottle through
really little or chew gum. But uh, but but taking
your shoes off.

Speaker 8 (37:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
By the way, I read something that you shouldn't even
be wearing shorts on a plane, if you only if
it's not that they're not the cleanest. And they say
don't drink the water, the water that's in there that
you don't want to drink.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Their water either, No, you take bottled water on.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
But they say shorts, it's not that clean. You know,
you want to wear long pants when you're on a plane. Yeah, yeah,
have you ever heard that? Heard that? It was like
one of these, like flight attendants, you know five things
you need to know that you don't. One of them
is wearing long pants on the plane that clean your
your naked legs. Touching up a seat that might not

(37:45):
be the cleanest is what they're trying to see. You
went to the leg. The leg's fine, it's the it's
the seat that it's sitting. Oh, okay, it's not our best.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Uh this this phone rule, I mean, like you said,
I don't see that often on a plane. I don't
fly that much. You said, you've never seen it. I
don't think it's problem, but maybe others have eight eighty
eight five seven o eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and say.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
You're a real or a war story something terrible, some
good story.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Oh for some of these are so gross sometimes.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, no, I want to hear give us call our gifts.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Coming on the talk back line. By downloading the iHeartRadio
IP youer calls and comments coming up on the Roden
Gregg Show. If you're just joining us, there could be
a day when you no longer can have a telephone
conversation on an airline flight. I both you and I.
We we thought you couldn't now, but apparently you can.
But Congress they passed the law banning it, but there

(38:38):
was never a date put on it, never implement it.
Now they're looking at something called what is it, the
Quiet Skies Act, which basically would say you can't make
phone calls on an airline.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Man, we need to Save America Act. We need a lot,
we need to say this. I need something, but this
Quiet Skies Act. I didn't even know we're I If
this is all they passed before they recess, I'll be
ticked because I mean, this isn't even a problem. I
don't think unless I unless our callers are listeners, tell
me different, which I trust our listeners. H I don't
think this is an issue.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
They're a wild story.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
But I think there might be issues out there with
out there, So I want to hear from our listening
lines if this isn't a problem. If it is, let
us know if it's not. But there's something else out
there that you've confronted. I just think there's some good
stories out there.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty, or leaving some
message on our talk back line by downloading the iHeart
radio app.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
All right, let's go to Amy, who's on I fifteen
right now. Amy, Welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Hi, thanks for having me. I just want to say
that that is the stupidest waste of our tax sellers.
Thank you even like considering this. What a stupid thing
to do. But I do have my big complaint is
when people don't use the vomit bag. We were on

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an eighteen theater flying from Fort Lauderdale to the Bahamas,
and my husband and I were up front, but our
really good friend was towards the back and he had
a slice sparrow pizza that he was going to eat shortly,
and the plane was kind of going up and down,
and this lady behind him. We could actually hear her.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
She was just whoa oh no every time.

Speaker 9 (40:23):
The plane would kind of bounce, and he said that
she was doing her thing, and then he heard oooh,
ooh ooh, and just all to open the seat pocket
and just vomited in there. And so for half of
the flight he had to sit there smelling his pizza

(40:45):
and her vomit. And when we land. My husband and
I are just excited. We get off the plane all smiles,
and then he gets off and he's just gagging. Just
the worst experience.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Bags.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
They're there for a reason.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yes they are.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Those pockets are not waterproofer or vomit proof. That is
the worst story ever. Oh, that is terrible that you
and your friends. I don't know. Oh, that's sounds terrible story.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Thanks for sharing that one. Back to the phones we go.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Okay, let's go to Bruce and Lehigh. Bruce, Welcome to
the Ron and Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
Hello, Greg, this is Bruce that you know, and my
experience on an airplane really just supports what we just heard,
but is not as good.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
And that is.

Speaker 10 (41:32):
Inevitably someone sits on my row with a full course
pizza meal, greasy hands, smelly fans and eats it the
full flight and it becomes a real issue for everyone
around them. And they're also typically very sloppy dressed.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Their their attire.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
And how they act.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
Is consistent with how they eat. So that's a nuisance.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
As sure as Bruce could hear from you, my friend,
I like I like to hear from Bruce. He he's
actually some of these things that people bring on the plane.
And I'll tell you what the pizza is bad. What
if they bring a tupperware thing and there's something smell
to it and then you used to open it at
that top up and all of a sudden, the smell
just goes everywhere off. Yes, very much, so I agree they.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Put it this way. The way people dress on a
plane sometimes is guy like, really.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I know when did that start happen? Like when you
said it was like a big deal when we were young.
I was young. It was kind of a big deal.
He kind of dressed a little bit nice forks. It
was kind of an event. They're on straight up pajamas
if like, they're just in slippers and pajamas and I
don't know what, so.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Very low cut things on the plane that you really
do not want to have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
This should be there should be a dress code. But
man talking on the radio, Hey, I don't think you're
I think they should pass a law or the Fatian
force a law to not roll down the window of
the airplane. That's idea, because guess what, no one rolls
it down. But I guess if you say you're going
to force something that would be something worth forcing. Again,
Amy called it that would be a waste of everybody's

(43:03):
energy to because I don't think it's a thing. I
don't think everybody's on the phone while you're flying.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
All right, more of your calls and coments coming up.
It is the Wingman Winsday edition of the Rotting Greg
Show in Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine k nrs.
Disruptive conversations, that's what the federal government is trying to
ban on airline for people on the phones.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Disruptive conversations might may occur on a flank plane, but
I do not recall or I don't think that these
phone calls while you're flying are happening to the agree
that they're announcing that they're going to end it. It's
going to be like a library now because we're going
to stop all these phone calls. What phone calls?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
What do you call this? A solution in search of
a problem.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yes, this is the I don't I do not understand
how this became a priority and news breaking that FAA
is finally going to act on this.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Apparently they're going to do it. Okay, that big of a.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Problems our listeners. I needed some feedback on this. I
think we've gotten some so far. Let's go now, Jerry,
who's been waiting from Pleasant Grove? Jerry, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Hey, guys, you know what it takes to get a
bill through Congress basically, And it's not like you or
I could just call our congressman and say, hey, make
this a law. Well maybe you guys can, but I can't. Yeah,
I'm thinking that there's probably some celebrity or some senator's
spouse was offended or something like that. And then instead

(44:28):
of calling it the Quiet Skies, I think they should
call it the Karen Air Act.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Jerry, that is so great, perfect observation. Jerry, that is
such a perfect observation because he's right again, it takes
a lot to get a bill through Congress. I guess
what's this story. It went through, but they never had
an effective date. They might not have a problem with
it yet, but thefa's like, we're going to we've drawn
the bright line.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
We're going to start enforcing this. It went through in
twenty eighteen. Twenty eighteen, okay, okay, called the FAA Reauthorization
Act and included it in that was banning cell phone
calls on airplanes. Okay, they never put a date on
it and never enforced it. So now they're coming back
with a new act called the Quiet Skies Act, which

(45:11):
would now enforce the bill that they passed eight years
six years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Congress is doing that. Yeah, okay, so it is a
congressional act. I thought it was just.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Congression.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
You got to be kidding me. It is a waste.
It's an utter waste of Congress's time. Honestly, this is
if this is what they pass I mean, well, they
actually sent the i think the Defense Bill to the
Senate today, so they got that thing through. But if
if that, if this that the House is sending somehow
gets sixty votes in the Senate and it passes and

(45:40):
that's all they do, that's a bad I mean, I
don't think that's something to brag about. I think that's
a poor use of time.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I think Jerry was spawn on. It's probably the husband
or wife of a member of Congress who was annoyed
by someone tugging on the phone during their flight went
to their spouse and said, can you stop this please?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, it's the Care and Act. Because I don't think
this actually happens. I mean, if it does, it's it's so.
I just think it would be I've never seen it happen,
just isolated. Yeah, in terms of its frequency, I bet
again I've I have loved taking some of these questions
to the listeners because sometimes I learn a lot. Let's go,

(46:20):
there's an issue.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Let's go to our talk back line. Here's one of
our listeners wanting to weigh in on this.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Hey, Rod and Gregg.

Speaker 11 (46:27):
Okay, so they passed one of the dumbest laws that
I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
That then can't.

Speaker 11 (46:34):
Pass anything logical, like I don't know voter ideas, which
I might add, you need to have an idea to
be able to get on a plane or even to
buy a cell phone with one of the major carriers.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
B what do I know?

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
We're all saying we're all stupid, just puzzled by this.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Eighty three of us for stupid, saying, you know, you
probably should pass that act, but early Congress doesn't want.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
To do it. It defies belief. I think the Senate
should be ashamed if they don't get this pass, especially
now that we heard that New Jersey. They're acknowledging sixty
six hundred people that honestly filled out there, I think
is when they're getting a driver's license that they are
not residents of the United States, which would immediately mean
they are not going to be registered vote. I mean,

(47:21):
if you have a motor voter law where when you
are renewing your driver's license or getting one, you can
also register to vote at the same time, if you
acknowledge in that application that you are not a US citizen,
the motor voter part should no longer apply. Sixty six
hundred people in New Jersey were registered to vote who
were who were not legal residents or not they were

(47:41):
not residents or citizens of the United States, And somehow
people think that's the end of that story. Well, what
about the people that were not here legally or are
not American citizens but did not check no, but said
yes I am because they would like to vote. If
they can't get the ones that are being honest and
keep them off the voter roles, what about the ones
that didn't answer that? Honestly, I just think that it's

(48:04):
a it's a well.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
We've got to go fix that.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, We've got more to say on that because now
the Democrats are saying.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's not that being of a deal.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
It's only point zero zero six percent of the population,
and it's not that big of a deal. That's what
they're saying. And I'll hear in a bit, I'll explain
why it is a big deal. That's coming up on
the Rod and Gregg Show. All right, let's go back
to the phones. I'm sorry, let's go back to our
talk back line for another comment from one of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
One more time.

Speaker 12 (48:30):
My son went to Washington State and Pullman and very
liberal college. Particularly in his history class. If the students
didn't reflect the professor's sixteen nineteen ideologies, they flunk. Also,
I personally am aware of a philosophy humanities professor at

(48:52):
UVU who openly says, if you are not progressive, you
will plunk his class.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
WHOA, Yeah, that's that should be an earlier conversation we had. Yeah,
that was about because we had an author and in
the first hour we're talking about kids need to kind
of stand up and push back a little bit on
this ideology and start if the if just themselves this
diversity of thought and and do it. But if it
costs you the grade if it cost you the class.
It's a high price to pay to speak up, which

(49:20):
is which is sad because I experienced that. I had
a different experience and hire it. I got the debate,
I got a diversity of thought in my experience, which
you enjoyed, which I loved, Yes, I love. I was
the editorial editor for at uvs C and that was
a blast world according to Greg was the name of
the column. Can you imagine that?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
World?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
According to Greg, that was it thought it was a
very good column. If you ask me was it I
think it was. I think it was very insightful. And
by the way, I think, who is it that say
it was that Winster Churchill said if you're not if
you're if you're if you're if you're young and you're
and you're not liberal, you don't have a heart. If
you're older and you're not conservative, you don't have a brain. Well,

(49:57):
apparently by that saying, I didn't have a heart because
I was conservative from the word go. Yeah, so from
you know when I when I arrived on the scene,
I was I was very conservative.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
All right.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
More coming up on the Rod and Gregg Show in
Utah's Talk radio one oh five, nine can arrests. Information
that came out yesterday concerning voter fraud. We'll get into
that coming up, but we want to get to more
phone calls as we talk about phones on airplane.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yes, let's let's continue this discussion. Let's go to Dave
in Cash Valley. Dave, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Oh nice to speak with you both.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
I this piqued my interest because I flew for Delta
for thirty two years and I remember dead heading one time.
And I don't know if you remember, but Delta at
one time had a first class service telephone in their
seats and you had to run a credit card in
order to use it, and it was pretty expensive to use.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I forgot about that the year remember that. I remember
that now, and that so that must have.

Speaker 13 (50:57):
Been I was, well, yeah, I was, well, of course,
you know, they were catering to the business travelers. But
I uh, I sat in uh next to a guy
who had been drinking quite a bit, and he decided
and he just he thought, well, this is this is
quite a lark to be able to call somebody from telephony.

(51:17):
He had no real reason to do it. He just
called somebody. Uh you know that. Uh, I guess he
wanted to burn some money and talk to somebody. Was
very loud, very boisterous, and it was it was kind
of annoying, But I can see kind of where the
other side is coming from on on telephone calls. However,
now we have AirPods that are noise canceling and people

(51:39):
can pretty much tune out the whole cabin atmosphere, which
we didn't have back then. But I have to I
have to share with you the most annoying experience I've
ever seen, and that was dead heading once again as
a pilot. But luckily it wasn't in my robe, but
in the road just in front of me. There was
a woman who got on board with a service dog,

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an English mastiff.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
What and.

Speaker 13 (52:05):
Yeah, And she sat in the she sat in the
window seat. The dog's head was laying against the sidewall
of the aircraft. His rear haunches were in the aisle,
and there was a person sitting in the aisle seat
of that Oh no, and they had to move him,

(52:25):
and luckily there was a seat open, but that dog
stretched all the way across three seats and.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Into the aisle.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Now, Dave, let me that dog didn't have an accident,
did it?

Speaker 10 (52:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (52:38):
No, no, no, no accent. But I had to think, Man,
if you're going to get a service dog, get a
toy poodle.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Seriously, that dog was plane trained. You talk about house
trained dogs. That dog was plane trained. But yeah, could
you find a bigger Yeah? That's that, Thank you, Dave.
I think my quality of life has measuredly been improved
hearing that story.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah that is great dog. That's a big dog, all right, Dave,
thanks for calling it.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
How about us?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
How about those I forgot there was a time where
they had those phones. How about drunk dialing on those phones?
I mean, come on, that is that is something else?
And then the English might say, I'm massive, dog can't
across the flags are and there's someone sitting in that
aisle seat they had to move. That's a see. I

(53:26):
knew this would happen. I knew our audience would have
phenomenal stories.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
I have seen the dog come on a plane, a
service dog, right, but somehow the dog fits at their
feet and under the deck seat in front of them,
And how they and the dogs are very well behaved.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yes, I've seen that, but they've always been tiny little dogs.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Not that's let's get a comment on our talkback line
about our conversation today.

Speaker 14 (53:53):
After I served a mission in Taiwan, I was accepted
to Taiwan Nashal University, and my wife and I flew
over there with our six month old daughter, who cried.

Speaker 15 (54:06):
The whole way at all of the Chinese wife's grandmothers
stepped in and nurtured and nursered our little colic daughter
the entire seventeen hour flight.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Wow, people are nice in this country, you know, people
who are.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
We As we come to the end of this hour,
in second second hour of the show, I think that's
a great, great way to land. Pun intended the plane
on this topic is as the generosity and others we care.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Little, we still do nice things for people. Yeah, that
was I've seen a lot of a lot of men
on planes, an older lady carry on luggage and they'll
grab it and put it in the overhead bin for
them instead of making them do it by themselves. And
I see that happen often.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, there is common courtesy extended, even even in today's
I think airports and planes and it's getting it's getting hard.
I mean it's expensive, and I think a lot of
the service that you used to enjoy as being is
going down.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
You were telling me about wearing a MAGA hat on
a plane.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, I tell you what. There's videos that you'll see
them on the go viral. You wear a make America
Great Again hat, and there will be loans on that
plane that once you've taken off the plane, that will
demand that you be taking They don't want to sit
next to you if you have that hat on it.
And these I've seen these poor guys going like, it's
a hat, Okay, I wear it. I'm sorry you don't
like it, but you know. Yeah, but no, there's people
that would just lose their minds if they see someone

(55:32):
showing that they want to make America great again they
wearing the hat or support Trump. That's a deal killer,
all right.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Coming up, there's an exhibit coming to Salt Lake City
at the State Capitol of tomorrow that if you have
time you'll want to see it will explain what it is.
That's all coming up our number three of the rotting
great track. The Tunnel to Towers Foundation a few several
weeks ago now launched a nationwide tour to mark if
you can believe this the twenty fifth year since the

(56:03):
attacks of nine to eleven, twenty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Where were you when you found out on? Was that
a Monday morning?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I was getting dressed to go to work.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, Tuesday morning morning, Tuesday morning in New York, and
I was getting dressed to go to work. Had the
TV on, and I remember, well, I was with KSL
at the time, and I heard them say a plane
has attacked the Twin Towers or flew into the Twin Towers.
And I first thought, well, someone's navigation system is off.
Small plane, everything okay. Turned onto the TV and here's

(56:32):
the Today Show showing that big second plane coming right
into the building. I went, oh, that's going to be
a and we were. We were on the air for
twenty five straight hours without a commercial.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Really, yeah, yeah, it was a surreal day for me.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
How were you?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I was at Hobble Creek golf Course. I was walking
the front or back nine. He was a front nine
and my friend that I've grown up with, we were
on the ninth holl to finish up and his phone,
his in his golf back rang, which ever did at
that time of morning, and it was his wife and
I hear one side of that conversation, and I can
tell that Terris had done something in America. I could

(57:11):
hear by his answer, his questions and what was happening.
And so it sounded grave enough when he said it
that we didn't finish that hole. We were teeing off.
But then when I heard it, I just wanted to
drop off, you know, we just get you know, drop
off what we had and get in the car and go.
And I walked into the clubhouse and they had a
TV in the corner and I saw one building on fire,

(57:33):
and I said to the guy, what building is that
And he said it's the twin towers. And I said,
where's the other one? And he said it's gone. And
I turned around, and just as I said he had
said it's gone, I saw that second building started with
the antenna start to just come down. And my sister
lived in Pittsburgh and they had closed the roads because

(57:54):
there was an unaccounted for a plane and her son
was at a daycare she couldn't get to because they
had closed the roads in the airspace. Everything was very chaotic. Yeah,
and we just I just got home. I am just
sat in front of the television with Queen Bee. The
rest of the.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Watched it all well to mark the anniversary, which is
coming up of course, on the eleventh of September this year.
The Tunnel to Towers Foundation, which does great, great work.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
By the way, they've.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Got a display it will be at the State Capitol
tomorrow at eleven o'clock. Is called Steel Across America and
it is a huge steel beam from the towers that
will be on display there. And joining us on our
Newsmaker line to talk about that is Stephen Siller Junior.
His dad died, he was a fireman. He died in
the collapse. His uncle Frank, of course set up this foundation.

(58:44):
They do great work. He's joining us on our Newsmaker
line to talk about this display. Stephen, Thanks for joining us.
I want to ask you to start off.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Stephen.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You're a few months away from nine to eleven, the
actual date in which it all take place. How are
you processing this and preparing for that day.

Speaker 14 (59:00):
There's not a.

Speaker 16 (59:00):
Day that goes by where I don't remember that day.
Through the work at the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, we've
been able to use the sacrifices made by thousands of
first responders whose legs were changed in an instant to
take care of first responders. Now, September eleventh was a
terrible tragedy, a terrible attack on our country was meant

(59:23):
to weaken us. But what they did not foresee.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Was that when men like.

Speaker 16 (59:27):
My father stepped up and they ran towards danger, they
inspired a country.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
They united us.

Speaker 16 (59:35):
Following September eleventh, the country was at a place that
was so unique to support for our military and our
first responders. And that's what we feel at the Tunnels
to Towers Foundation every day.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You know you've taken something that's a national tragedy that
we many of us can't believe it's twenty five years ago.
It seems more recent than that, and you found something
incredibly positive to not only help people that find themselves
in tragedy, that our first responders that do sacrifice for us,
but really call attention to it. As you just mentioned.
Now on this show, we talk a lot about museums

(01:00:09):
and history and who's writing history. It's so important you're
here on this twenty five year anniversary. What is the
history lesson for our young people to remind every one
of us about nine to eleven and why you're here.
What if you get to write to history, what is
it that you would tell the public here in Utah?

Speaker 16 (01:00:27):
Well, that steal is sacred. It's overwhelming when you look
at it. It's twenty one feet long, sixteen nine hundred pounds.
That steel once held up a.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Building, It held together memories.

Speaker 16 (01:00:42):
Businesses, and that steel now holds the weight of so
many lines. My father's body was never recovered. He was
in the South Tower. That's where our steel beam is from.
Who my father is is ingrained in that steel beam.
So for us to try the country and let people

(01:01:03):
who are a long way from New York steal the
gravity of that day firs hand. To see it firsthand
is remarkable, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Are you worried in any way that twenty five years later,
the country maybe starting to forget a little bit about
what happened on that day and the impact it had
on thousands of lives around the country. Do you worry
about that at all, Stephen?

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
I certainly do.

Speaker 16 (01:01:29):
What happened that day changed our country forever, and the
sacrifices that were made that they should not be forgotten.
But I have a lot of hope after traveling this
country it's almost been about four months now and thirty
five different states. Every state I've gone to, there are
people who remember.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Who don't want to forget.

Speaker 16 (01:01:51):
Yeah, that's whether it's California, Oregon, miles and miles away
from New York City, people still remember and they're never.

Speaker 6 (01:01:59):
Going to forget.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You See, when you read my mind, I was going
to say, as you've done this, I mean if you
would share maybe some of those moments, uh poignant moments
that you've you've you've experienced, maybe maybe the experiences that
you've watched people have and the impact this has made
for them to remember or to revisit this, this tragic tragedy.
What have you seen as you have been able to

(01:02:21):
go across America and go into different cities and communities.

Speaker 16 (01:02:25):
There are two moments that really stand out to me,
and one took place in New York City. We had
an SDNY firefighter who was actually all duty on September eleventh,
and his whole unit was killed. He walked up to
that steel, he put his hand.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
On it, and he started to ball.

Speaker 16 (01:02:42):
He hugged that steel like he was hugging his friends
he lost twenty five years ago. Like I said, my
father's body's ingrained in that hundreds of other men and women.
That steel is sacred and it carries the weight of
That day, we were in Sarasota at the Pokersol, which
is where Bush was told Sir a second planets hit
the tower and we actually had Andy Card there who

(01:03:04):
told Bush on that day, and we had a few
students from the school. They were young, young kids, and
we shut down the truck because it was raining, but
they were begging. They really wanted to go up and
put their hand on the steel to pray above it.
Little kids understanding what the gravity of that is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
It was beautiful. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Why select the steel beam?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
What was the thought thought process going into that, Stephen
is this is what will take across America.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Why that.

Speaker 16 (01:03:37):
We wanted to take a piece of September eleventh that
everybody could see. It had to sit in a truck,
It had to be visual. That steel holds so so
much inside of it, and it's so important that that
is not cast it aside caster decide what happened that day,

(01:04:01):
We have to remember it in everything we do. That's
what we do at the Tunnel to Towers Foundation. We
took that tragedy and we turned it around into something
so beautiful. That's country wide. I mean here in Utah,
we have a recipient family.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
They were actually.

Speaker 16 (01:04:18):
Utah Major Brent Taylor, who served in a Jackville Guard
for fifteen years when he was the mayor.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Here in North Ogden for a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:04:27):
That family reminds me every day why we do what
we do. That family reminds me every day that my
father's sacrifice was not in vain, that what he did
that day now supports kids like me.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I was a nine month old kid who never.

Speaker 16 (01:04:40):
Got the chance to speak to his father. I now
have the privilege of working with hundreds of kids around
the country and making their lives a little.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Bit easier that were just like me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
And I believe doesn't a Jenny Taylor serves on the
board at Tunnel to Towers Foundation. Does she not, Stephen,
I believe she does.

Speaker 16 (01:04:58):
Jenny does so much with us. She is an incredible,
incredible woman, and that family is amazing, all of them.
Jenny's daughter spoke at our gallo when she was maybe
like fifteen years old, and she was amazing, cracking jokes
and so powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Steven, let me ask you, we don't have time on
the show for you to list all the lives you've
impacted positively, the people who you've helped, remember or revere
or disrespect what happened that day and how it changed America?
What's that looked like for Tunnels to Towers going forward?
All right? Will you be here twenty five years from now?
Is there a what is the goal? Like? Where do

(01:05:34):
you go from here?

Speaker 16 (01:05:36):
We will continue taking care of our first responder families
and our military service families for.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
As long as humanly possible.

Speaker 16 (01:05:45):
This mission is close to the hearts of everybody at
the Tunnel to Towers Foundation. It's more than an organization,
it's truly a passion for every single one of us.
We're going nowhere. We're really just getting started here in
terms of doing good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Hm, well, you do a lot of good. Steven Siller
joining us on our Newsmaker line. You know what do
you say? Was nine months old?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
And when father remember you remember his father?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
And he mentioned as well Jenny Taylor, whose husband Brent
was killed in Afghanistan and uh and she she served
on the board of Tunnels to Tower and speaks all
around the country about America and the desire to serve
and how great this country is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
And she does a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, he was well known in political circles, and he
was even though he was deployed. He had been in
the mayor was it Northden or north Ogden, and so
he was and he anyway, we all knew him. And
when we heard that he had been killed, it was
just in the way he'd been killed frent by someone
he was supposed to be training. Yes, and just her horrific,

(01:06:50):
horrific story and then to hear that what the more
of it of a the size of his family and
Jenny yourself, for her to turn that around, it makes
such a tragic think into such a positive for others
as well. She just amplified the horror that happened to
their family, and she has done her level best to
make something good from it. And I just admire her.

(01:07:10):
I admire her work, and it's her courage to be
able to do it and strength to do it, or
strength of characters. It's humbling to see.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I have been very fortunate over the years to mc
some of the events that she has put together. They're
always just great, great events. And you're right, her husband
was a great guy, here's a frequent guest on our show.
Really at the time, he was a good, good guest,
so he always enjoyed him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
He was and he was so passionate and conservative, and
I think he would have been elected. He would have
had some public servant or in some capacity, I think
in Utah right now. But I think again that family,
the way they have rallied and the way they have
handled adversity has just made life better for so many,
which you know, you don't have stories like that very often.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
That steel beam display will be at the state Capitol,
as Stevens said at eleven am tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
If you want to go take a look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, I think it's important. Again, we talked a lot
about history and museums and who writes history. This is
the one that we should be all paying attention to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, we sure should be. All right, more coming up
brought in Greg with you on this Wingman Wednesday. Democrats
are trying to downplay what the governor of New Jersey
announced yesterday that they had found or was it sixty
six hundred people who were registered to vote who are
non citizens?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yes, and they and the governor says that four hundred
or less actually did vote, and they are trying to
downplay it. But the problem they have is that this
intellectual yoga that they're playing is that they denied the
existence of any illegal people ineligible and are not American citizens.
We're voting at all, and when you do it can
sede that they're sixty six hundred. Here's the scary little detail.

(01:08:48):
Those were people that honestly and accurately filled out their DMV,
their driver's lice, whatever they were filling out, and to
the question are you a legal resident of the United States?
They checked no, So they honestly said no, I'm not
and then found out they win the prize of being
a registered voter. So it begs the question, New Jersey,

(01:09:11):
how many didn't check no? How many people didn't answer
it honestly that you also awarded voter rights to if
you have sixty six hundred that didn't want them said
I'm not a resident, I'm not a US resident, I
don't live here and got to vote. You can't tell me.
There's people that didn't answer that question accurately, that aren't
on that aren't on their roles either.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
It was quite the point of discussion on the cable
news shows last night. Here's Jake Tepper on CNN talking about.

Speaker 17 (01:09:38):
But Mikey Cheryl, the governor of New Jersey, made this
announcement today. A surprising announcement. Nearly four hundred non citizens
voted in New Jersey elections as a result of what
she calls a serious software air. Governor Cheryl posted this
quote quote as the Trump administration tries to weaponize elections
for political gain, I am ensuring we protect our election.

(01:09:58):
She goes on to say, the different simple. When we
find a problem, we don't hide it tonight or inven conspiracies.
We investigated, we fix it, and we tell the public.
I have to say though, for Democrats, I'm not saying
that the Save America, the Save Act is going to pass. Yeah,
but this is not good for Democrats argument that there's
no such thing as undocumented immigrants voting.

Speaker 18 (01:10:17):
This is not good for our country.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Generally, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Yeah, this is not good for a country. Then later
on on Newsnight with Abbey Phillips, Scott Jennings came through
because Abby Phillips would say, well, what is your tolerance?
You know you have a few thousand, there are millions
of people voting. Is there a tolerance level? Let's tell
Scott Jennings reply, what's.

Speaker 18 (01:10:35):
Your definition of widespread? By the way, is it one
two percent?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I don't know more than one hundred?

Speaker 19 (01:10:40):
What's your tolerance for this?

Speaker 18 (01:10:43):
My hold on this is not about tolerance. This is
about is it widespread? Or is it that is relatively rare?

Speaker 19 (01:10:49):
If you're founding him over the word widespread, I just
would ask you, what is your tolerance for any.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
Fraud at all?

Speaker 18 (01:10:54):
Is it widespread?

Speaker 19 (01:10:55):
Absolutely? Over six thousand?

Speaker 7 (01:10:58):
What is your bar from?

Speaker 19 (01:11:00):
And my bar is I want no tolerance.

Speaker 20 (01:11:03):
I have zero.

Speaker 18 (01:11:03):
So what is your tolerance for America?

Speaker 19 (01:11:05):
By the way, this isn't the only places.

Speaker 18 (01:11:07):
Your tolerance for American citizens whose valid voter registrations are
invalidated by incorrect databases? What's your tolerance for that?

Speaker 19 (01:11:15):
I don't have tolerance for any mistakes in the electoral system, including.

Speaker 18 (01:11:21):
So then why are we not keeping the same energy
for that as we are for this?

Speaker 19 (01:11:25):
I do have energy, as you know. I've come out
here and long argued that every time we don't clean
up the voter rolls, at every time a non citizen
makes it on the voter rolls, it invalidates some legal
put about.

Speaker 18 (01:11:35):
When an American is not allowed to vote when they
are eligible to vote.

Speaker 19 (01:11:39):
I don't have any tolerance for that either, an American
citizens allowed to vote. Hey, with American critizens are invalidated
with the system.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
No, he has no tolerance for anything. Like you, and
like me, we don't tolerate no. People who are legally
allowed to vote should be allowed to vote. Those who
aren't legally allowed to vote shouldn't be to vote. We
have no tolerance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
And I didn't. I hadn't listen to the rest of
her exchange, but I would bet what she's trying to
say is, well, when you have a deadline, you should
be able to count ballots arriving for months because or
you're taking away their rights. You need to have clearly
defined rules. You have to have transparents, you have to
have chain of custody. And I will tell you this,
you know I did. I did an op ed on

(01:12:22):
the Daily Signal about John Solomon. He reported he reported
just two hours ago that when the governor came out
yesterday and said of New Jersey and said, we have
six thousand, six hundred non residents who are registered to
vote in this state, we have tracked those down and
believe that four hundred of that sixty six hundred have
actually cast a vote. She said, this is a glitch.

(01:12:43):
This is an error in the software company. And this
software company, by the way, is one that TSA people
have used this for the TSA pass. Here's what John
Solomon broke two hours ago. They have John Solomon, they
got in contact with this software company. They are denying
there is any glitch whatsoever. Really, they are saying that
if there is any any registered if there's a non
residents that are registered to vote, that is on the

(01:13:05):
New Jersey state government side. It is not their software
that made that, that made that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Abby Phillips last night tried to downplay. You know, sixty
six hundred votes represents point zero zero six percent of
the voting population in New Jersey. Right, But let me
bring up Greg That's sixty six hundred votes in one
of the races in Arizona last night, the difference between
the winner and second place was two hundred and fifty votes.
That's right, So sixty six hundred to be had, which

(01:13:32):
is important.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Congress Woman Celeust Malloy versus Kobe Jenkins two one hundred
and seven thousand votes counted, one hundred and eighty seven
votes made for difference. Yeah, you tell me four hundred
people voting. You tell me again, find me four hundred
people that are happy that they're vote. Got camps.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Right, Mary, coming up Rod on Greg with you right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
I'm thinking about crazy animal stories, right Greg. Yeah, that
story last week of that Biteeson going after that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, that man loved team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
He's in the hospital talking. Now we see this video
to day of This isn't a grizzly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I don't think it looks like a black bear to mean,
but on top of a telephone pole, I mean way
up there. This is garden variety telephone pole like or
electric line that's like a typical This thing looks it
looks like it's in rural somewhere in some you know,
some very raw area way up there in there in there,
and this this pole is not that big, and he

(01:14:26):
might he All you see is I'm just straddling the
top of it. It's got like the wood tea and
he's just on top. He's panting. They're trying to get
him down. They're trying to tell push him down, like
the crawl back down. He wants to stay up there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
You don't want to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
He's pushing back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
He's got he's got a perch up there. He's not
leaving man. Yeah, he's not leaving at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
All right.

Speaker 11 (01:14:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
New survey now shows it. Nearly two thirds of adults
say four year colleges and universities are doing a poor job, surprise, surprise,
providing an affordable education, but most still want their children
to pursue higher education.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Okay, yes, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
I paid for two two of them through college. But
if Utah's I think our tuition rates comparably comparably to
other states, We're pretty fortunate that we don't have as high.
They're getting higher every semester or every year, it seems higher,
but it's still manageable at least.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Well, let's talk more about this. Our next guest is
the president of Cornerstone University. His name is doctor Gershon
Moreno Rihano. Let's talk about higher education. Doctor Morehano, welcome
to the show. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 20 (01:15:29):
Well, thank you so much, it's great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
What about higher education today. You get conflicting reports. Some
people supported, other people say it's not worth it anymore.
What are your general thoughts and how the public views
higher education today.

Speaker 20 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I think that for the last decade or so
does an increasing number of the American public that's very
skeptical with the value in the cost and the real
actual outcomes. And I see it all the time with parents,
and I speak with parents and even students of graduate
from other universities here in Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
They questioned it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:02):
So it's it's it's incumbent upon the universities to show
tremendous value to parents, into students and account of degrees.
We offer the value, we provide every part of the
academic experience, and to ensure that the price point is
radically affordable because the reality is that it's more expensive

(01:16:22):
to live now than ever before the day the cause
of the day living expensive, and we need to ensure
that we offer great value at a great price to
every parent, every student.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
I want to thank you. You're president of Cornerstone University,
and you frozen income tuition. You're going to guarantee to
those students that are in class and go and pursuing
a degree that this that their tuition will remain the same,
that they're not going to see that that that amount
go up. That brings some certainty. You're a private institutional
higher learning, how are you able to manage costs? And

(01:16:54):
how are you able to make that affordable or attractive?
Because it is there's a lot of a lot of
the story this week. Are there a lot of angry
four hundred thousand dollars in debt graduate students They can't
find a job to even pay their student loans. How
are you president able to provide a great college education
at an affordable price.

Speaker 20 (01:17:14):
It's good hard work. I mean I went three years ago.
I went to our team and I said, I wanted
to do a tuition reset. I'm going to go from
our sticker price was thirty two thousand a year for tuition,
and I said, I want to get to as close
as twenty thousand dollars as possible. And our team did
that day. We went down to twenty two thousand. It
was a significant open twenty two percent, you know, redo

(01:17:36):
of our tuition. And we looked long and hard in
the things we were doing that we should stop doing.
The concept programs we shouldn't offer anymore because they had
very little value in the market. It was a radical
operating transformation in the back end of our institution. But
the goal was, look, we the focus should be student
students and excellent education and excellent value to them. And

(01:17:59):
so we took years, you know, it took several years
to transform the culture of our university, the culture of
our thinking about how we operate the university to focus
on students and student value and Dickory, we were the
only institution, I think in West Michigan, if not all
of Michigan, to keep their tuition and that rise it
raise it. Almost every university in our area went out

(01:18:19):
by four to six percent. We were the only ones
that did not for the thirty year in a row.
And we've we're committing ourselves to do that over the
next two years as well. And we've seen people react
to that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Parents.

Speaker 20 (01:18:30):
They not only are they care about the radical affordability
at constant, they care about the value of bringing to
the market. So we also took a hard look at
our programs in our general education curriculum to ensure that
we provide what we tell students is market intelligence and
a strong moral compass. You know, we're a Christian institution,
so we leave in a strong moral vision, but we

(01:18:51):
want to also bring market intelligence. We want our students
to be three four steps ahead of any other graduate
when they hit the job market, and that was tremendously important.
I've spoken to students here in Michigan who graduates from
some of the flagship institutions in Michigan, who told me recently,
mister President, we're out and we have not used our

(01:19:12):
degree for anything, and we're full of debt. That's a crime.
We'll committing ourselves to Cornerstone not to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Let me ask you what drove higher education and the
cost of a higher education so high? I mean, I
have seen numbers over the years where it has far
outpaced even inflation. Was it the student loans being provided
by the federal government that drove the cost up? What
drove the cost up so much?

Speaker 20 (01:19:41):
I think it's certainly one of them. I think that
the whole student loans, student financial structure for decades, you know,
provide a great incentive to universities and colleges to keep
raising tuition because quite frankly, there was no accountability right
for that. And if you could borrow unlimited gradual level

(01:20:03):
and parents. I mean there's no accountability, no one to
say no, you have to stop, and also no accountability
for the kind of excellence in the institutions to provide
right for the students. And thus you have a blooming,
a blossom meeting of programs that have very little of
any value for the market, if any value for our

(01:20:25):
democracy and republic. Not quite frankly in many cases.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
But by you.

Speaker 20 (01:20:30):
Put a certificate or you put a credential at the end,
it's worth four hundred five hundred thousand dollars. That's silly
in criminal many ways. And I do think that the
new revision gain just to financial aid that the Trumpet
administration just put in place recently, it is significant deterrent

(01:20:50):
to address this issue of inflated costs because it's holding
institutions accountable for programs they need to have the right
outcomes and provide their right value for students, and it
puts a lot of accountability power a part of the
parents and the student. I think the very important thing,
and again it's incumbent on us at the university, is
to offer great value and to ensure that every time

(01:21:12):
we charge something it truly is worth the cost, and
parents have become more savvy, and I'm glad and soon
have become more savvy about this, and they should.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Thank you for joining us. I wish we had more time.
You do not sound like a university professor. You sound
far too logical. You sound your goals aligned with what
the president's looking at in terms of this value and
maybe the critical thinking that students used to get in
the higher ED and we're not seeing as much anymore.
Thank you for your leadership. I think it's something that
we don't hear very often.

Speaker 20 (01:21:40):
Well, thank you for the opportunity and hopefully we can
contain the conversation in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Well, we appreciate your time joining us on our newsmaker line.
Here on the Rod and Greg Show is doctor Gershon
Moreno Riano. He is with Cornerstone University talking about the
high cost of a higher.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Ragucation in Michigan. Let's get him here to Utah. That
guy sounds smart.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
He did, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yes, I loved what you have to say. No tuition increases, No,
and general education courses are going to be like applicable,
They're going to be They're going to have real value
to him. Not these studies. You study, these radical studies
here about all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Mating habits of a tetzi fly. Yes, that's one of
the courses.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
More coming up on the Rotten Gregg Show. Thirty percent
of Americans say they've shoplifted this year percent a bunch
of thieves, up from twenty four percent in twenty twenty four,
many citing, of course, financial strain tied to influence. Yeah,
give me, you know what absolute cost? Yeah, you know

(01:22:34):
what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
That's a culture that's just normalizing criminal behavior. That's all
that is. There's no I'm sorry he did this shoplifting
because I just can't make ends meet. Come on, that's
you make that excuse when you're ten.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yeah, it's like that story we had earlier, that guy
who keyed what four or five teslas? Yeah, and he
got off. He was given a sentence of going to
some quart some type of treatment program, that diversion program.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
It's a raise.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Then he got a raise in the job.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
No, this I'm telling you right now. If if you
get caught and you're little, you're like, oh I had,
I'm hungry, or whatever you're gonna say. But as an
adult has grown adults living in civilized society. We're not.
This whole shoplifting thing is insane. And you get those cities,
in these towns and these da these crazy das that say, well,
if it's under a certain dollar amount, we're not even
gonna rush you, We're not going to charge it. Which
would you be surprised if that incentivizes more shoplifting. I mean,

(01:23:24):
come on, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
My dad, my dad had a grocery store. He was
a business owner. His biggest fight was against shoplifting. And
this was years ago. Yes, And I've talked to a
couple of business owners here who are in the retail
business selling things, and they say it is a dilemma.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
It got so bad down down in the Salt Lake area.
You know, there was a Dick sporting goods store that
was in that gateway area. They closed down because everyone
was stealing all the tents, they were stealing everything. They
were walking straight out. They couldn't, they could not keep
the lawlessness away, and they went out to the left.
They left the area.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
So amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
You're seeing inner cities the same way. You're seeing all
these empty storefronts because again they can't afford all the shoplifting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
And they don't get any protection from local police.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
They think they don't think it's they think it's a
non violent crime, so it's it's a victimless crime.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
They think you, Tah can take credit for helping this town.
This town is now boasting the world's tallest nutcracker. What
is a town nutcracker? It's a town in Minnesota, Laverne, Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Is that something to brag about? Well, when you say
the largest nutcracker, you talking about the toughest guy in town. No, No, okay,
all right, just checking.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
So I'm talking about those things that actually cracked.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Nuts around Christmas time. Okay, I thought maybe there was
a tough guy. Yeah, the tall tough guy in that town.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Say which company built this? But apparently they did. The
town is known for his quirkiness. They actually have a
very large store with all kinds of nutcrackers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Why does this make news? I mean, how is it?

Speaker 20 (01:24:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
How do you find it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
I find these store It's because I like to keep
you entertained.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
These are these are weird stories, eccentric stories.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
There are more nutcrackers in this one shop than there
are people in the town.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Again. I don't know that this is something to brag about,
but apparently someone made a story about it and you
found it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Yeah, the nutcracker stands sixty five feet and seven and
a half inches tall.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
And a half inches. It's sixty five feet. They probably
weren't the tallest. They had to get that extra a
little more than Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
What's that about? Six stories? I don't know, sixty five feet?
About ten feet per floor something like that. You are
a builder, you should know this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I can't. I got all I can tell you is yeah,
but it doesn't yards of three hundred feet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Apparently it was built here in Utah and shipped to
that little town in Laverne, Minnesota. I just share it.
I see them a wealth of information I like to
share with our great I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Just glad you did. At the end, I don't know
where to go from here. I'm just I've hit I've
hit a wall with the tall nut cracker in the world.
You mean, I at a store with more nutcrackers and
there are population in the in the town. What do
you what do you say about that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Slice a lot?

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
That does look for us tonight, head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family. We'll talk to
you tomorrow.

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