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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I could take the rest of this segment on some
of the observations I made.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
But yeah, I pay for gas. It was six.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Six I think six forty or six thirty a gallon,
and then it's all I know is twenty I put.
I paid one hundred and twenty five dollars and my
tank wasn't even on the red like I was low.
When I put one hundred and twenty five bucks in
that tank.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I was, hey, I this morning, I paid four nineteen
a gallon. Here, Yeah, it's getting up there. It is, Yeah,
but you know, hopefully it'll come back down. Don't worry, folks,
He'll get down.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I have Yeah, I think though that you know what's
going on and I ran right now is as we've
seen over the weekend. I know we'll get into this
later in the show, but knowing that they had four
thousand kilometer range long range missiles, that changes a lot
of stuff about what I'll say for Unsaved Europe was
all this time, and I think that if it's time,

(00:54):
it is time to deal with them, and if it
it is a bit of a sacrifice. I know, I'm
not a Neocon. I know Neocon's to say that all
the time. But I think in this case with this president,
we can trust that his eye is keen and he
is seeing some problems out there. And if it means
that we're going to pay a little more in gas
right now to stop them and send them about forty
years backwards, yeah it's time to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That'd be just fine. Well, I want to start off
that We've got a lot to get to today. We
are going to talk about the the Democrats' failure on
the voter ID messaging. We'll get into the strategy to
win elections a little bit later on. We'll talk about
Congress and the debt. It just where are we now?
Thirty nine trillion, thirty nine thirty nine Absolutely amazing. And

(01:34):
you know, the whole debate over trans has dominated our
discussion in this country for several years. But do you know, Greg,
I did not know this. We'll learn more about this
later on in the show. The Roman Empire had to
deal with this.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
What Yeah, a bunch of degenerates Mine goodness. They just
come up everywhere in history, don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
We're going to discussing, so really, yeah, I don't like you.
I'm not like the Iranians.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Watch Gladiator. I thought it was a documentary and I
did not see any of that.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, it was there. Apparently we'll get into that. It's
going to be with you. If you want to be
a part of the program today eight eight eight five
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ap All right, we want to start the show off today, Greg.
I don't know, I don't know what happened this weekend,

(02:25):
but I think I'm just guessing now that over the
weekend someone put a little more crazy into the Democrats
drink this weekend. I mean they got an extra shot
at crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, yeah, that or we just got brighter lights on
looney Tunes. These rubber rooms they let them out of
to go into that Capitol and pretend to speak about things.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Did you see the media reaction to Trump when Robert
Muller died over the weekend and his comment basically good riddance. Yeah,
the media went crazy. How dare he condemn or praise
the death of another American?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I will promise you this, if any of the if
any of the members of the media that were clutching
their pearls over his comments, and hey, look they were
not kind. And I with what he did to him,
what Robert Mueller attempted to and put it to do
to him and put him through. There isn't one member
of the media that if they had half or even
a quarter of the of the chaos and the stress

(03:23):
and the legal peril that Mueller put the President Trump through,
if they went through a quarter of that, they would
have nothing good to say. My goodness, you had to
see you see the New York Times obituaries over people
that are like Chuck Morris, they have nothing but contempt
to share about him when it's his obituary. So what
they would have said about Mueller, if they even had
a slight sliver of what he put the president through,

(03:45):
it wouldn't be nice.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, Trocury Secretary Scott Besson almost you know, Kristin we
Walker on Meet the Press tried to trap him into
condemning the president, but listen to his response when she
asked him about the President's comments on the passing of
Robert Muller.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Right, the death of an America citizen, someone who's a
Bronze star, purple Heart recipient and who served in Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Christin I was with the president of green Room at Davos,
and there was a video playing of what may have
been an illegal raid on his home, m R.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Largo.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
They are going through his wife's wardrobe, and I watched
the look in his eye, and I think that neither
one of us can understand what has been done to
the president and to his family.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But to the question of the president's post, I mean,
Robert Muller didn't order that raid. Is it appropriate for
the president to celebrate the death of any American citizen?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Again, I think that given what has been done to
President Trump and his family, it is impossible for either
of us to understand.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
What he has been through. It's got Messident's so good
at not taking the bait. And oh she was feeding
him some bait, but he didn't take it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, he comes off as a pretty nice guy, so
you would think that would be easy bait, that'd be
low hanging fruit to get him. Say, well, I wouldn't
say something, but he doesn't. I mean he and he's
what he says is truthful. I don't think any of
us understand given what he went through. We've never been
through something like that, So we don't know, we don't
we don't understand what that would what that would have
felt like.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And he's right on mar Alogo. They were going through
his wife's underwear.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, Tom was, I mean yes.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So you can't blame that. I mean, the president is
not going to lie about his feelings. And he's very
honest with you. He said, I'm glad he's gone good,
see you later, see you later.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I hurt anyone else.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Now another bite I want you to hear audio sound
bite I want our audience to hear. Today is the
debate over voter ID. It continues, right, it keeps on
going on. What everyone's you know, the Democrats are trying
to throw up every defense they possibly could. Well Over
the weekend on CNN, David Urban, who is a very
smart conservative, laid the feet of this whole thing right

(05:52):
at one person.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Look, Congress, when you know Tom Holman was up on
the hill negotiating trying to get this bill passed in
the Senate. It you've seen the White House give on
lots of things, cameras, identification on ice. The White House
is given and given and given. Fact of the matter
is Chuck Schumer is just a chicken, I'll say it,
because he's concerned that he's not going to be the
majority leader. Doesn't want to pass anything that doesn't just

(06:15):
blow up ice and so that's why we're stuck here.
It's not anything to do. Everybody knows what has to
be done. Chuck Schumer won't allow it to be done
in the Senate. And that's where we are. American people
call the Senate, complain to Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Tell the pass the bill. Now, yeah, I tell you what,
it does go down to Chuck Schumer. Maybe a little
bit of Hakeem Jefferies, but it really I think Chuck
Schumer is there and he got so burn greg on
the last budget deal, got attacked by his base. He
is so afraid right now to do anything that would
make his base upset.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, he's trapped.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh, he's trapped.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
He deserves it too. I don't have any sympathy for
the man, but you know, they they have just been
exposed this debate. Our senator, Senator Mike Lee has been
the well of that Senate floor. I mean he has
been making this case compared the Democrats, the Lord Farquell
from what is that from is that from uh? Is
that from Shrek? It is the funniest thing. And but

(07:12):
he has just they have they have I think they
have artfully and persuasively argued for this what is already
federal law, and that is if only citizens should be
able to vote. And they've caught you know, Schumer in
the big old lie and all the Democrats, well, we
like photo I d eighty five percent people were with them.
We like it. We just think you're too prohibitive and
what you will expect or what you'll you'll accept. So

(07:34):
they said, okay, here's an amendment. What was it that
you liked in the legal idea passport? Okay, we'll do that.
What was it again? So they go through the list
and they put that bill on the floor and the
Democrats block it. So all the reasons they said, all
the good reasons they gave when they were addressed, the
real reason is they want undocumented people to vote, which
that would put a cramp into So there you go.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Why do you think they're so concerned about having ice
agents at polling places?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I know they said, will take tens of millions of
people off the voter rolls. I don't think you were
supposed to admit that sent Shumer.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
All right, we'll come back. We're gonna talk about the
messaging boy and the Democrats. It is a big failure
on their part when it comes to voter ID. We'll
talk about that coming up next. Great to have you
along for the ride, mister Hughes. Great to have you
back in sew. Do you be back on this Monday
afternoon with Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Get there three hours early. Yeah, to make sure you
tell me you don't avoid so you avoid any kind
of delay. So I did that, which meant I had
to get up at o dark thirty in the morning.
But I got there and I got right through, and
I actually thank the TSA. They're very polite. They were
actually they were actually very nice. I thought they might
be a little bit salty, given what's going on and
why you aren't getting paid, I would say, so I

(08:46):
don't I don't understand, but I just said, I don't
know how it's all working, but thank you, thank you
for being here and thanks for getting us through.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And I so I didn't see any There was no
trouble in San Diego and then coming home, when I was,
you know, walking to baggage claim from the gate, looking
over at where they check in, I didn't see any
long lines, it seemed. And that's a Saturday, and I
know that's not a high flight day, but it should
all be impacted. I think it was impacting other cities. Yeah, yeah,

(09:14):
on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, Atlanta for sure, and yeah, others. And we'll talk
about that a little bit later on the show. But
this is all the debate over voter ID, voter ID
on what is going on? And I tell you what,
the the Democrats just are digging for the latest excuse.
I mean, they keep on coming up with new ideas
as to why this shouldn't pass the Senate.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, voter ID, and yeah, so we would love to
see Homeland Security fund funded. But then when we get
to voter ID, which is already the law, Well, how
do we how do we enforce the law? Yeah, this
is a this is like a Rubik's Cuba Da Vinci
code for the Democrats, or they.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Act like it. Yeah, they're trying. Well, what was it
that poll a couple of months ago which said eighty
five percent, eighty four percent of the American people are
in favor of voter ID Yeah, and now a new
seed yes pull out over the weekend again it's upwards
around seventy to eighty percent. But the Democratic leaders, they're
a Washington, are saying, no, this is not good for
the American people. I don't think their messaging is working.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I would hope not. I think that I think the
people American people have got to see the House, how
much house it dammed up?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
This is well. Joining us on our Newsmaker line or
any our newsmaker line to talk about that right now
is Stacy Matthew. She is a contributor at Legal Insurrection. Stacy,
you've taken a look at this, the messaging the Democrats
are using obviously failing right now. What are your general thoughts?

Speaker 6 (10:34):
Well, my overall reaction is that they need to get
this taken care of because these arguments aren't holding water
with the majority of the American people. We've seen it
here in North Carolina. We were kind of a test
case for Democrat arguments back in twenty eleven and going
on for many years after that through the court system,
where Democrats tried to argue that this was racist, as discriminatory,

(10:56):
and the arguments didn't hold up. Even back then, when
we took polls in North Carolina, a very broad demographic
of voters supported voter ID, and not just voter ID
but photo ID. You know, someplaces they have voter ID,
but it's not necessarily a photo ID. North Carolina, we
have photo ID when you go to vote. Eighty percent

(11:17):
of the American people support voter I D.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
You know we have.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
This topic has come up on the show, as you
can imagine, so we've we've talked about our good Senate
Utah Senator Lee. He's fighting the good fight on this.
And you know, we had a caller call in and
his name was Robert, and he said, you know, when
women get married, they're not going to be able to
vote anymore. And we cautioned Robert that we're married, and
we have spouses, and we have daughters that are actually

(11:45):
able to vote, and it's it would be news to
them that if you got married, you're right to vote.
Women's suffrage would then cease, that you would never be
able to vote again if you were in fact married.
We said, it sounds a little condescending. I don't know, Robert,
I don't know if you want to be saying that
out loud. We had a glurry of calls from listeners
that are particularly offended by this stance that the Democrats
have taken, that there is some barrier to not be

(12:08):
able to vote if you in fact get married and
assume the name of the person that you're marrying. Where
does that rank? I mean, how much pushbacker? How much
do you hear that? Because that's a particular that hit
a live wire.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
As we've discovered, right, it's become like one of the
more fresh Democrat talking points. Originally it was all about racism,
but now they've kind of added the layer of the
woman maybe being disenfranchised because she's been married, which is
complete horse pucky, as we say around here. And there's
been tons of instances. We've seen people on social media,

(12:42):
conservative women who just hit for grins and giggles, you know,
have tried to go through the process of getting a
voter ID and they're married women and they had no
problems getting you know there, you know, photo IDs or
anything like that. So it's just it's just more scare
tactics and fear mongering. And again the polling shows that women, men, Democrats, Republicans, independents,

(13:06):
white people, black people, Hispanics across the board. And I'm
not just talking about bare minimum percentages. We're talking like
seventies and eighties for percentages for all of these groups
supporting vote Red. And not only do they support voter ID,
but a crucial part of the Stay of America Act,
which is the requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote,

(13:27):
a majority of Americans, a solid majority of Americans across again,
all demographics, support it. So what's the hold up here?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Stacy? I saw it coming over the weekend as well
and the analysts talking about what's really going on here,
and it basically came down to his opinion that it
comes down to Chuck Schumer. Because Chuck Schumer is just
chicken poop when it comes down to I'm saying that nicely,
chicken poop when it comes to making the ency. He's
afraid he'll be primaried. He's afraid he'll lose his leadership

(13:57):
role in many ways. Doesn't it really come down to
Chuck Schumer?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
It may, But here's the thing that Chuck Schumer needs
to think about. Somebody needs to inform Chuck Schumer of this.
In New York City, we found out very recently that
you need multiple forms of ID to be an emergency
snowshoveler the city, including photo ID. So if emergency snowshovelers
in New York City need to have multiple IDs to

(14:23):
be able to snowshovel, people should also need photo ID
to be able to vote.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
An interesting part of the debate over the weekend, the
Democrats were trying to say, well, and this was their
good reason, certainly not a real reason. You know, the
items that you have selected to prove citizenship are just
too arduous. We actually like voter or voter ID and
having an ID card to vote, but we think that
you Republicans have just made it too hard. So there

(14:49):
was an amendment proffered by the Senate Republicans over the
weekend that said, okay, we'll include a passport, We'll include
some of these legal not your student ID, but legal ID.
You will include that in the Save America Act. And
the Democrats still blocked it. So my question is why
you know, we're getting past their good, good reasons, why
they oppose it? What is what is?

Speaker 8 (15:10):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
It doesn't make any sense election wise to oppose eighty
percent of the of the electorate. What is it that
they're trying to achieve here?

Speaker 6 (15:19):
What is it they're trying to achieve is they're trying
to make it easier for illegal immigrants to vote. I mean,
that's that's what all of this is about, is making
sure that criminal illegal immigrants and not just criminal legal
just the ones that come across the border and yes
they've committed a crime, that they haven't committed a violent
crime presumably, but still they're illegal and they shouldn't be
allowed to vote in our elections. And they've been getting

(15:39):
by with the Gavin Newsom has been openly admitting to
illegal immigrants voting in his stay for years and he's
proud of it. So that's that's what the argument boils
down to. You know, we saw here in North Carolina
when we get with the voter iv arguments, some of
the arguments the Democrats would make. You know, we tried
to make concessions with semic At in the state legislature

(16:01):
about what they would be okay with in terms of
nothing worked. You know, So there's no pleasing Democrats when
it comes to this issue because they know the moment
anything like this becomes law, especially on a national level,
is going to really hurt them with with the core
group of voters that they want to keep, which are
the illegal immigrants.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, that's that's so true. State Matthews joining us. She's
a contributor a legal insurrection. Talking about this, Greg and
the messaging the Democrats there, I'm waiting for the next,
the next appeal from the onion to fall fall away
and see what next they're going to come up with.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
No, they're there. Their arguments are just so weak, very
very very weak. And I hope that I think the
American people are paying attention. They know who's they know
who the hostage takers are in this in this scenario,
and it's not the Republicans, it's these these looney Democrats.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, we're all talking more about this in the five
o'clock hour as well. All right, more coming up. It
is the Monday afternoon edition of the Rod and Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine Canterists.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I don't know if we're gonna get a chance to
play this clip and boiled Harry Enton. He always entertains
he's showing us some real good poll numbers of these
Democrats in Congress. It doesn't look like voters overall are
real happy, or the independent voters they're very happy at all.
I keep seeing minuses in front of the numbers they
that Harry Enton's showing. So CNN must really hate it

(17:23):
when he when he starts telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You can see the the the anchors were asking them
these questions. Sometimes they just cringe.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
They've stopped. They've actually taken that wide shot and they've
narrowed it in because they can't hide how sad they
are with what he's saying, so they just kind of
zoom in on him. So you don't see them anymore,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, yeah, those little games they played well. Speaking of elections,
the strategy to win elections apparently hasn't changed for some
two thousand years.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Really one with Yea, you know, the campaigns are a
bit stale. I think this is this might be Lewie and.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Why well joining us on our ney our newsmaker line
to tako about that is our good friend Hans von Spokowski.
He is a senior legal fellow at the Institute for
the Rule of Law, which is part of advancing American Freedom. Hans,
always great to have you on the show. So you're
telling me that the strategy hasn't changed. It doesn't it
really come down to just get enough votes, more votes

(18:20):
than the other person?

Speaker 9 (18:22):
Yeah it is, and yeah, but how you go about
doing that? You know, going after all these different different
constituencies and different groups. Sometimes that requires different tactics and strategies.
And you know, I was just astonished when I got
a copy of a letter translated from Latin written in

(18:47):
sixty four BC by the brother of the great Orator Cicero.
Cicero was running for consul in Rome that was basically
equivalent of our presidency in the old Roman report public
and his brother wrote them a letter saying, here's what
you knew me to do to get elected. And I
swear to you if you read through it, it is

(19:09):
exactly the same kind of stuff that you pay political
consultants today in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
To give you advice on.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know, I read it, and I was unaware that
this letter was written. And I've I've spent some time
on campaigns and elections myself, and it is it is fascinating,
especially when there's no technology. All the things that you
would think would inform a campaign. For the last forty
years as it's changed. You don't see any of it
back then, But yet it seems all the same. Two tasks,

(19:41):
hold your friends, second one persuade the public. What are
those two What did those two tasks look like today?
It's amazing and it's insightful, sounds simple. But hold your friends,
start with your mother, work your way out, That's what
I always said. And then persuade the public. How do
we see those two tasks? How are they realized today?

Speaker 9 (20:00):
Well, you know, the the big change. Look obviously, the
change that happened, you know fifty years ago was campaigns
starting to use television and radio.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
But what has really now.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
Happened in the last ten years is a huge migration
over to the use of the internet, you know, everything
from campaign websites to using texts, the social media platforms.
That has been the big, really big technological change. But

(20:38):
it's still got the same objective in mind, which is
reaching friends, acquaintances, government contractors, special interest groups and the
general the general public.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Hans with you talked about, you know, you know, assembling
a majority. But in today, in today's country, as diverse
as this country is, how difficult and how challenging is
it to put a large enough assemblage together to win
an election. How difficult is it to put those coalitions
together in today's society.

Speaker 9 (21:16):
Well, I think it has gotten more difficult because I
think if you look at all of the issues facing Americans,
everything from domestic to foreign policy, I actually think that
we are more divided today than at almost any time
since I would say, actually right before the American Civil War.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, we make the decisions from emotion. We can
have all the stat sheets with spreadsheets, we can have
tax rates, you name it, inflation, all those numbers. But
at the end of the day, this letter points out
that people vote from emotion, and it says bring hope.
The letter says, Quintus says to Sisera, his brother, bring
hope to people and a feeling of goodwill towards you.

(22:04):
I look at today's politics and I don't think that
there is this there's a downside to it where you
you know, maybe where are the people going so I
can lead them there? But it is but this is
I find that the Democrats are are scolding us. They
are not trying to create goodwill. They're actually trying to
shame us almost into a into an agenda I don't

(22:26):
see them bringing hope to people and a feeling of goodwill.
Am I jaded? Or do the Democrats do that to
any degree?

Speaker 7 (22:35):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (22:35):
No, No, I think you've called it exactly right. And
I think that is one of the reasons why if
you look at the polling, the polling shows that support
at approval Democrapocratic Party today is the lowest it's been
since they started polling, and and I think it's because

(22:56):
of the negativity of the party and frankly, their their
foolishness on so many issues. I mean, immigration is one
of them. Look, it's one thing to say that you're
in favor of immigration, that you want to increase, for example,

(23:17):
legal immigration, but to come out against the pickup particularly
criminal illegal aliens, to say that, oh, well, you want
to create a sanctuary for illegal aliens who have committed
crimes and to your local communities, and that we'd rather
have them released back into our local communities instead of

(23:40):
being picked up and deported. That makes no sense to
the vast majority of Americans, no matter whether the Republicans
are Democrats. And yet that's the kind of positions we're
seeing Democrats take.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Okay, let's say you're a middle American, you want to
consider both sides. On one side, you've got Donald Trum
launching a war against Iran, which I think is very justified,
but prices are going up because of that. On the
other side, as you pointed out, you've got wacky Democrats
who go along with almost anything. I mean, you're if
you're a voter as you head into the midterms, where
on earth do you go?

Speaker 9 (24:15):
Hans Well, going back to what we were just talking about,
the emotional appeals. Look, I think Quinta Cincero was the
brother who wrote this. I think he was exactly right
about that. And I think you know, most most people,

(24:36):
I think actually the majority of people, when they go
into the voting booth, they vote with a gut reaction.
You know, they have a gut reaction to candidates, whether
they think one candidate is going to make their lives
better or the other candidate.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Will will do that.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
And I don't know what that gut reaction is going
to be in the in the mid terms. On the
one hand, yeah, people will see rising gas prices when
they go fill up their minivan or their their truck.
But on the other hand, they have many of them

(25:15):
have seen the crimes, for example, committed in their local
communities by illegal aliens. They have seen their local schools
in many places overwhelmed by huge numbers of illegal alien
children being brought in by the prior administration. That's kind

(25:36):
of a balance. And what do they see, Well, they
see Democrats all for that, all for the kind of
flooding of the country that occur during the Biden administration.
How is that going to come out? I don't know,
you know, that's one of the huge biggest issues in elections.
Is there so unpredictable?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Often? Thank you very much for joining us. Hans vans
Bakowski is an election expert. It's here on our any
hour newsmaker line. Welcome to the party, HANSO the party.
We gets that all the time, he said. An important
hearing today. Greg will probably get a ruling on this
at the end of the term, sometime in late June
or July. But the Supreme Court today heard arguments oral

(26:16):
arguments on a challenge about mail in ballots. And the
question is I think it's the state of Mississippi or Missouri.
I can't remember which one. But they count the ballots
after election day and the Republican Party and another I
think the Libertarian Party are suing the state over that.
And there were interesting arguments today, but it appears the

(26:36):
Supreme Court's conservatives appears skeptical of counting it after election day.
Let's to what Justice sam Alito.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
Said, We have lots of phrases that involve two words,
the last of which, the second of which is day,
labor Day, Memorial Day, George Washington's birthday, Independence Day, birthday,
and election day. And they're all particular days. So if

(27:04):
we start with that, if I have nothing more to
look at it than the phrase election day, I think
this is the day in which everything is going to
take place.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And the other conservative judges basically express the same thing.
Now we don't know where any Cony Barrett is or
John Roberts is on this. We'll have to wait and see.
But count counting mail in ballots after election day makes
no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's done in Utah.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It is done in Utah.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
So we've had so when you go down ballot, some
of these elections do get decided by thirty votes, forty
votes in some cases, and you have you have these
they say, well, if it's postmarked by election day. We'll
just keep collecting them through the week and then we'll
keep counting. And that is that has led to the
outcome of elections from election day changing from one one

(27:54):
side to the other, you know, from one candidate to
the other, because they continue to count. That doesn't always
play against the Democrats by some Republicans have won with
late ballots arriving. But I think there's something principally solid
and defensible about election day. I think Florida does it
this way too. Is you vote, you count everything on
election day. That's it. And I think maybe the legislature,
I don't know if they passed a bill to make

(28:16):
that the case. It sounds like they might have addressed that.
But if they haven't, they should and I suspect that
the Supreme Court will rule that I will see. You
can't just spread this out over a month.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah. The Mississippi law, it was Mississippi by the way,
allows mail in ballots to be counted up to five
days after election day. Uh huh, either they're counted on
election day or yes.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
In my opinion, yep, that's why you don't want to
mail If you're south of Beaver County, you want to
just mail your ballot from Beaver County into Beaver County.
It goes all the way down to Vegas and all
the way back up.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, so stop, that makes a lot of sense. All right,
we'll talk about the TSA ice. What do you have
seen in airports around the country. That's all coming up.
Our number two are the Rod and Greg troupe. Stay
with us. Dutton Ranch is I guess going to be
filmed partly up here in h in Park City.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, they they have had a great history here in
the state of Utah. They've moved to different parts of
like they went to Montana after being in Utah for
a while for Yellowstone and then right now, I'm I've
been my insights. Sources say that that new show Marshals
is going to be filmed in that in here too
in Utah.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So and this Dutton Ranch, this is yet another spin off.
So well, he's got the land Man, that's which that's
not about the Dutton's No.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
That's that's different. But it's a tailor.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Shared different and Lioness Lioness.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
And he's got a brand new one called the Madison,
which I and I have been watching. He's setting it
setting up for a second season. As Ray was pointing out.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So you guys have told me this is worth watching.
And I like Taylor Sharon. He did the movie Socario,
to which I love those movies. But but a little rough.
So if you're easily offended, don't watch Sacario. But but anyway,
family film, No, but but Madison just looked like a
big old docky drunk, like a like a soap opera
to me. So I didn't want to watch it. But

(30:06):
you guys are saying it's good.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
It's it's a bit of a downer a little bit.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
See.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I liked, I like, I don't like what I love
about it. It shows Middle America life on a ranch,
life in Montana, and how they come together as a
community and they don't care about politics. It comes together
as a community that I think.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
That was part of the appeal of Yellowstone. I did
enjoy that, and I enjoyed that part of Landman. Landman
likes to put that contrast between the elitist and all
the things they think versus what going on in reality.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The way to you see this one, it is hilarious
because you have these elites out of New York city,
trying to do an adept to life in Montana on
a ranch which out which is out in the middle
of nowhere. They don't even have a toilet. They go
to an out house, which is an experience in itself.
I thought for these New York elitists.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
When I was young and I moved to Utai, I
felt like I was in a footloose movie. I did.
I feel it was a little different than Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I did, just slightly a little bit. Yeah, all right,
let's talk about ice, the TSA at airports today. Word
is some reports are coming in today Greg that ICE
agents are making kind of a noticeable change at the
airports today. Don't know what that means, but that's the
headline I thought.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think the ICE agents. You know, if you've wondered
why ICE has been funded fully till the year twenty
twenty nine. So when you hear that the Department of
Homeland Security is not funded and you're talking TSA, and
you're talking about a bunch of different critical areas that
does defend our homeland, you're not talking about ICE. So
when the Democrats are shutting everything down and putting us all,

(31:41):
you know they want to shut down our transportation through airports.
They want to do all this because of what they
want to do to ICE. ICE is not impacted by
any of this, but they're fully funded, so they might
be the agency that if in the absence of the
Democrats allowing instead of holding Americans that are at airports
hostage to their political agenda to maybe it's time for
these ICE agents, who are again funded, to be able

(32:04):
to man those stations and be in that spot just
to keep keep Americans going through and being able to
use the airports until until time that Democrats would like
to stop holding the American traveler hostage.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I think it is the right thing to do. I
think it was a brilliant idea from the President, even
though there's a debate over whether the idea was the
president or a caller into the gle Clay and Buck show.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I think can rs if you want to know, folks,
it was a major catalyst for this policy change. I
think it was a caller to the Klean Buck Show.
That was her name. Yeah, she came up with it.
Clay Travis loved it. I think he repeated it on
a Fox News interview. But it just it got some legs. Yeah,
and there we are. It did well. Of course, the

(32:48):
Democrats are going crazy with this idea. Listen to what
New Jersey Center Corey Booker had to say about Ice
in the TSA, and.

Speaker 11 (32:57):
So, what's happening today in America that should outrage everybody.
He's taking the very same agency that has been bursting
into our schools, into our churches, into our hospitals, into
our courts, and even the homes of Americans. He's taking

(33:17):
that agency that is reckless, out of control and bringing
them to our airports under the lie that somehow this
is going to help deal with the long lines.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That he created in the first place. This is an outrage,
that's Corey Booker. It's an outrage. Greg Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
He says, what is happening in America that should outrage everybody?
And he goes on to say that DICE is, you know,
taking the place of TSA because TSA has not been
pledging for thirty four plus days without any pay. What
is happening in America that should outrage everybody, Senator Corey Booker,
is that you have shut down the Department of Homeland
Security to further your political agenda, which doesn't have anything

(33:55):
to do with the American citizens, and it actually not
only are we more is more dangerous to live in
this country without the Department of Homeland Security or why
have it?

Speaker 7 (34:05):
It?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Also it holds all of US travelers if you're in
an airport hostage until and they don't care, They absolutely
don't care. And the day you negotiate with terrorists, those
that are hostage takers, the day you'd get you negotiate
with them, you're going to get more of that kind
of conduct. So the day that the Republicans if they

(34:25):
were to cave to this and somehow reopen up the
ICE budget and change it because Democrats are going to
try and raise the misery index on American citizens because
of it, then you're going to get more of it.
It'll then now you've just given them the keys to
the place because they're in the minority. They shouldn't have
this kind of power and they're trying to wield it
at the expense of everyday people. And if it works,

(34:46):
you're going to get more. If it doesn't, maybe the
American people are frustrated with the Democrats enough that we
don't they don't see the success in the midterms that
they're hoping you.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Shut it down. Tom Holman was on CNN with Dana
Bash yesterday. She said, mister Holman, how can the implement
such japan a plan that you're doing on such short
notice with respect?

Speaker 12 (35:04):
If you're doing this in twenty four hours, how well
thought out could it possibly be?

Speaker 13 (35:10):
Again, ICE has been at airports across the country for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It's just expanding those things.

Speaker 13 (35:15):
Look, how much of a plan doesn't mean to garden
exit to make sure no one comes through that exit anyway?
That we were talking about security options, and these officers
are well trained in security, and they're well trained and identification,
and we're going to do what we can to help
TSA move those people to the line.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I love that. How much planning and practice does it
take to garden exit?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, And folks, I'm going to tell you. On Saturday,
I was at the airport coming back home and I
got the text that said from the airline saying get
there three hours earlier, get their three hours, be free takeoff,
just to make sure you don't run into this extra delay.
And when I got there, I was able to get
through very quickly. I didn't need the extra two hours.
I usually try to get there or early. I didn't

(36:01):
need it because we got through fast. I interfaced with
the TSA agents, not knowing what their circumstances were, but
thanked them for being there and thank for such a
fast process. But what you're hearing there is tall home
and saying we're not going to take everybody and replace him.
But there are things that the agents can do that
could be at the monitors, that could be at the
scanning the things coming through where they could be the

(36:23):
ones that are guarding so you don't walk in where
you're not supposed to walk out.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
We're not supposed to be. That's all they're going to do.
He's basically saying, look, you know their sole purpose is
to guard those screening machines and get you through the lines. Now,
if there's other things we can do that they don't
have to do, well, then.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
If you that's what they're doing, ye go go walk
out of the when you're if you're at a gate
and you're in Salt Lake City Airport or wherever you are,
and you walk out to the baggage claim, you can't
turn around and go back the way you came in.
And there are there are TSA agents that ensure that
that doesn't happen. And so that's those are the types
of things they can do. I love it was that
Dana bash that asked that question. Yes, okay, when anyone
starts a question with with respect, no, there's going to

(37:01):
be no respect there. Okay, that is your tell that
this will be no respect dot dot dot. So love
the start with the question with respect.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now, these for TSA agents, on average, they make what
forty five fifty thousand dollars a year? With that, I
guess on average they have been paid for a couple
of weeks. And Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary, so that
another key moment is going to come this Friday when
they get another paycheck.

Speaker 12 (37:25):
So I think as we look forward to Friday, that's
when the next paycheck should come. And if this, if
this homeland security funding isn't resolved, I think you're going
to see more TSA agents. Has we come to Thursday, Friday,
Saturday of next week, they're going to quit or they're
not going to show up. A lot of the starting
salaries at TSA they're right around fifty thousand dollars. So
if you live in you know one of the big

(37:46):
cities of America, LA, or New York, or or Miami.
It's hard for these individuals already to make their ends meet,
but with out getting paychecks, it's even that much more challenging.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You don't like, Greg, I don't know how they're doing it.
I mean to be realized. I don't need to CSA folks,
because you know, when we come back, I want to
get your reaction. We want to open up the phones
to you. Maybe you've had to deal with standing in line,
you are fortunate not having to do it. I haven't
heard much about lines here at Salt Lake International Airport.
Maybe there are, but maybe others have been flying around
the country and had to put up with a three

(38:18):
hour wait just to get through TSA.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, and I sound like a broken record, but I
have to tell you that I found them to be
exceptionally polite and friendly at you know, six thirty in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
But they were. They were very, very nice. And there's
a lot of I think a lot of stress they're
going through right now with the unknown, and yet they
were I thought that people that were looking to get
through it retreated with incredible respect.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, your story's about dealing with the TSA. If you've
been flying around the country eight eight eight five seven
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about Donald Trump, he said, Now he claims it was

(39:05):
his idea. There is a debate over whose idea this was.
But Donald Trump said, Hey, we aren't going to punish
the American people for the lack of action on the
part of the Democrats. So we're going to do what
we can to speed up those TSA lines, those security
checkpoints at airports around the country, so on dispatching ice
to help them out. And word is there has been

(39:27):
some improvement at airports around the country today.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Well, I got to imagine that that would be the case.
But the question I have is, so when you saw
the Tesla take down, this was you know, the leftist
didn't like all the doge was discovering, and they didn't
like that they were interrupting their little, you know, their
side side gigs that they had going. And we learned
about all this money, all the billions upon billions of
dollars that were being washed through all these different NGOs

(39:50):
and everything else. The way that they got were able
to compel Elon Musk to leave. That effort was to
attack his cars, to attack his dealerships, to attack individuals
cars that were Tesla's, attack those. They vilified the man,
and it seemed like the public sentiment was on the
side of those attacking Elon Musk, and Elon Musk was

(40:12):
starting to lose popularity or approval rating amongst Americans, and
I was very disappointed by it because it's saying, look, actually,
you can be the hostage taker or the terrorist and
you can get away with this. My question is, so
he left, and you saw Doge kind of quiet down.
They're still there, but not in the fashion that they
were when they started out. The question here is will

(40:34):
the American people really look at who's caused this shutdown
and refuses to fund the Department of Homeland Security and TSA.
Will the American people believe the Democrats when they say, well,
if they would just give us our way, we're in
the minority, but we want our way, and if you don't,
every person trying to go to an airport is now
going to wait and every and our safety as a

(40:56):
country while we're engaged in Iran. Well that's it's going
to be scarier too, because we don't get what we want.
Do the American people digest that as why don't the
Republicans give them what they want? Or do they point
the blame where it is deserved? And that is the
Democrats are using the American people as hostages to raise
the misery index, to try and compel the behavior of

(41:18):
the majority of Republicans in the Senate to give them
their way. Where are they going to go? I know
where our listeners are going to go. We our listeners
are going to call Spade a space. That's a guarantee,
That's what it is. But what do you think is
going to happen across the fruited plane? Are Americans going
to spot this and call the Democrats out? Or is
this going to be a the media is going to
try and say it's the Republicans fault?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, there are three iron needs here today, I think
Greg on the Democratic side. First of all, we just
heard Corey Booker. What are they using? Fear? Yes, fear tactics.
You let those I mean attack you was it either
Blueminhaler shift. I'm not sure. What's crazy? He said to
her the weekend. You know what's going to happen. We're
going to see Americans being killed at airports. Yeah, did
you hear?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
These guys are all interchangeable, man, they can they say
the most outrageous things.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
So they're using fear point number two, guess what Democrats.
ICE is funded through twenty twenty nine. Yes, you can't
interrupt it. You can't interrupt it. Al and the other
one is here, we are not funding the Department of
Homeland Security. Let's see, we're at war where they're on
and Iran basically said we're going to come get you. Yep,

(42:25):
you know through that. They're not hiding it. They are
hiding it. So what, we don't have any money for
security in this country, and the Democrats are concerned about
the safety of the American people. Come on and look.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I read somewhere where they asked Democrats in Washington, what
do you say about ICE? Do you know going and
doing this the airport? They think it's funny. They said,
Oh good, let's see, let's see what happens there. They
live in this bubble where they don't think that the
people that are going to be otherwise stuck at these
airports if there isn't a solution. I think the American
people and a traveler is going to appreciate that they're
problem solving and getting this thing, getting people moved through

(42:59):
so they can get to their gates to go on
their flights. The Democrats are gambling that they would sooner
be in on that long line than have ice helping
guard entrances, exits, things like that, and that if they're
not being given what they want in the minority of
the House and the Senate, if they're not given their way,
that is the Republican's fault for not acquiescing, and that
they will the American people will blame the Republicans. I

(43:21):
hope that's not the case, but it's what I'd love
to know. I'd love to know. What to take is
the collective wisdom of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well, you have to realize the Republicans not only are
battling the Democrats, they're also battling the legacy media. Yes,
and in the legacy media telling the truth about what
is going on here right now, they are not No,
and the perception of the American people. Let's just blame
the Republicans. We always blame the Republicans for things like this,
so we're going to blame them again.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Did you see the study that Apple doesn't news aggregate
the number of left of center stories versus moderate in
the right of center. It was like it was like,
on one hand, the number of conservative like even Fox
News or something versus you know, Axios and all the
left of center things that Apple just pushes out in
their news aggregate all the time. It's in the thousands.

(44:08):
Over here, it's like five on the right of center.
It's a real skewed worldview that a lot of these
you know, news aggregate and I don't know tech companies
are pushing out.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
You know what I'm puzzled about, though, Greg, It's not
happening at all the airports. I mean, I'm looking at
New Orleans right now, long lines New Orleans. You're hearing
about Atlanta, LaGuardia, you know, Washington, d C. But not
in Salt Lake City. I don't hear anything coming out
of Texas.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
California, don't hear well. I think it's La and San Francisco,
they private contract their security at airports. I think, so
that wouldn't affect them. But San Diego word is now
you got out early, or it is now. It's not
getting any better in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh you're hearing it's bad. I got lucky then. But
I'll tell you what this actually begs the question. And
I think Jason Chaffitz when he was a member of
Congress used to really talk about this a lot. Now
was privatizing.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Let me go back to Amen.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
The airlines used to do this for eighty years or
whatever before it was like the Persian Gulf War whenever
they did it, and then then they turned that into
a government agency. But for the for just keeping the
Democrats from holding us hostage, we ought to be seriously
now staring at going back and privatizing the scanning of
passengers through that security area and making sure that people

(45:24):
are you know that don't they don't have any weapons
or anything when they go through. I think that now
that we know that we, the American people, are the
pinata for the Democrats to try and hold up the
funding federal funding for that, we should just there was
a lot of more reasons to privatize it. But I
think that's the clincher right there.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I am a big fan of privatizing it because I
think it would work, and I think it'd be a
much smoother operation and the American people wouldn't be held
hostage the way they're being held right now. All right,
more coming up the Rod and Greg Show and your
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(46:01):
More They're Not and Greg Show coming out. I've got
an update for you. I was mentioning, what new excuse
are the Democrats going to come up with now for
voter ID and rejecting it the Mike Lee bill, Well,
we have one now. Congresswoman Promila Jaya Paul says somebody
would have to either get a passport or have a
certificate birth certificate and have to go through this regamarole

(46:24):
every time they want to vote.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
That's a lie.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
That's a lie, total lie, total lie. It is.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
It's news people vote for the first time, yes, and uh,
and it's not every time you go to vote. I mean,
it's just again, I guess they just can say anything
they'd like. It's it's it's just like that. That's center amazing.
We you know, we want all these things open, but
we just don't like giving is a blank check. They're
not even in this discussion. They're already funded till twenty

(46:53):
twenty nine. You're not. It's not even I know they
want to pull it back, but they that's all already
been that was voting the big beautiful bill. They already
voted against that, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
So yeah, yeah, I love it all right. Another thing
we wanted to talk about was apparently there was a
protest this weekend at the Living Aquarium on the south
end of the Salt Lake Valley. What's that What's that
big spider looking thing they have there?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
That it was part of that was part of the
YouTube YouTube concerts and they kept that and then they
they was they were able to use that and keep
it and uh and and COVID started like ten minutes
after they put that thing up, it did, which yeah,
but anyway, it's it has since had a new expansion,
the Living Planet Aquarium, and uh, it's it's a great

(47:45):
attraction and one of the things that they're doing. Aside
from having institutions I hire learning that have like science
like they have labs and they have different research going
on there. But they have a they have a reception
area where you can rent out the public hand.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
We did one time, what was about a ago. We
were down there maybe when potential customers yep, and.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
We were at it. We were in the one that
they've had for a long time. The new building has
an even nicer one, okay, and and so they're there.
You can rent that for different events. You can do uh,
recept wedding receptions. But there's a lot. In fact, there's
going to be a left of center heaven forbid, a
Democrat event that's going to go to the living Plan.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Really, the reason we bring this up, folks, is because
it was reported over the weekend during the Salt Lake
County Lincoln Day Dinner, which, by the way, Lincoln Day
Dinners twenty nine counties, twenty nine Lincoln Day Breakfast or dinners.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I spoke to one of them this year.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You did you were that you were the keynote speaker.
These have been happening for I don't know, I mean
ever since I arrived in town. So we're talking.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
About they kind of a big deal for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
They are, and they're and they're not. They're not overly controversial.
They're just they're the parties kind of you know, annual
fundraising dinner. They usually have a good keynote speaker. Well,
Salt Lake County's Republican Party had Nick Shirley, twenty three
year old but making a lot of waves, doing a
lot of fraud out there as their keynote speaker. And uh,
you had some You had just a few Democrats that

(49:07):
came and they wanted to protest the Lincoln Day dinner.
And the headline from the from one of the local
media outlets was Living Planet Aquarium faces backlash over a
Republican Party fundraiser at event event venue. There is I
don't know what does what this backlash is, but it's not.

(49:27):
I mean, there have been times where the Lincoln Day
Dinner was held at the Salt Lake Community College Larry H.
Miller Center that's in Sandy, It's been held at the
Little America, It's been held all over Salt Lake County
and years years ago. It is just not it's and
it's never struck anyone as controversial. It never has been,

(49:49):
but in the days, in the era we live in now,
it was. It's it's now that they're they're trying to
say that this was a controversial event, the Lincoln Day Dinner,
which just is not. But anyways, say there's.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Some controversial event. Is it the media describing it as
a controversial event because ten protesters showed up? That would
be my guess.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It is it is that they're they're they're framing this
the level of the Living Planet Aquarium is it's now
facing backlash because they were they hosted this, uh, this
Lincoln Day dinner. But it's you know, you know, it's
a tempest in a teapot, the backlashes from these loans
on the Democrats side that are protesting the Lincoln Day dinner.

(50:28):
I've been to so you've been to so many of these.
We've been to so many of these, and we've never
seen protesters out there protesting a Lincoln Day dinner of
all things.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So are they protesting NIXT surely, or protesting the Living
Aquarium letting its facilities be used? Well, do they say.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That the article just wants to say that the that
the aquarium itself is facing its backlash because it made
it its venue available for the event. It doesn't really
even get into next surely in the in the in
the story. But again it's much ado about nothing, because
these events happen all the time time, and you're going
to find other people that will reserve this facility that

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will not be Republican, and I'm sure there will not
be local media there or protesters from the left to
protest it, and amazingly the backlash go away. It won't
be there.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
How many hard working Utahs have time to go do
to protest?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I very few, very few. I lived through this, Okay.
I was asked to protest Ben mcadam's office after he
tried to try to After he tried, after he did
vote to impeach President Trump, I was asked if I
would go out there and lead a protest. Folks, we
just aren't good at this.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
We don't dress it. We weren't.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
We weren't dressed appropriately for the weather. We don't have
chance that rhyme like the leftists do slogans. We have
a great sign. We have some NGO making all our
signs for us. We were ill prepared for any of this,
so we were just not good protesters. And we were
all doing it on our lunch break. It was like
it was a workday. It's not like you could take
the day off.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
So we know.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I don't think that the productive members of society have
time for the nonsense of these protests.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I don't think they do either. All right, mare coming
up the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Okay, let's go to our callers, the collective wisdom of
our listeners. Let's let's tap into that, and let's go
to George, who's in South Jordan. George, thanks you for
holding and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah, thank you, gentlemen, Happy Monday. How you doing good?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Doing a while? Thank you?

Speaker 7 (52:29):
Yeah, thanks for your time. So I just want to say,
although I don't agree with it, the Democrats are playing
a very good game here because although the Big Beautiful
Bill does fund ice CBP for a certain timeframes to
twenty twenty nine, what it doesn't provide is there are
no appropriated funds to do operations. So when it comes

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to tactical enforcement or enforcing the law, there's no money
to do anything. In terms of traveling spending money to
buy things through confidential informants, by evidence, drugs, et cetera,
to further investigation. Furthermore, all the administrative staff are not
getting paid. Their salaries are not included in the big

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beautiful bills, so they are hemorrhaging at best to put
up a good face, show up and do the work
all for what. So again, although it's the big beautiful,
big beautiful bill paid salaries, it does not pay day
to day operational needs and necessities, and that is what
hurts the workforce but ultimately the security of the US.

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So again, I think they're playing good baseball right now.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Church, Can I ask you just a real quick question.
So operationally, so if you funded department, was it specific
to the salaries that was funded till twenty twenty nine?
So I didn't realize that. But operationally, is that a
line item within that? But explain that to me because
I thought that the ICE itself as a department or
an agency had been funded. But it sounds like it's
very narrow the way you're describing it. How does that work?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (54:01):
So, typically, before you go into a new budget, you
have to have line item approval for X amount of
dollars that you want expended, so you'll have x amount
of number a number of dollars for enforcement operations, which
is further line item to include. And I want to
get too formal here, but investigative purchases for evidence, traveling

(54:23):
for case, investigative means, et cetera. So if you don't
have appropriated funds during that fiscal year, you can't do it.
Even though you have money in a different pot, it
has to be the pot that it was appropriated through Congress.
So maybe they're able to do some wiggle room here
and there. At least they're paying salaries. But I know
for a fact Customs and Border Protection their Office of

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Professional Responsibility, which are by policy and law to enforce
internal issues regarding its workforce, they're not getting paid. And
those are credentialed badge on holding agents that are literally
forty plus days without money. You can't sustain that.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Well, you can't, thank you, George, didn't know that. But
that's interesting information.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
That's perfect. Is that still on brand for our callers,
our listeners to call and give us that information, because
that is that's not been discussed, and that is that
is a bit a different story. So Thank you George
for the input.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
All right, let's go to our talk back line. See
what one of our listener has to say, Rod.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
Mike from Northern Utah.

Speaker 9 (55:24):
It sounds to me like the Democrats are trying to
discriminate against Republicans using a facility, and.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
So they want to discriminate against the facility. Is that
always our is that away our discriminators.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
They're very Yeah, they they are prejudiced. They are prejudiced
against Republicans.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
They're discriminating against the fish.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I know, those poor penguins.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Shark down there. Yeah, yeah, there are are there.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
They got sharks in there. What did they ever do
to those Democrats that they're going to try and hurt
the aquarium and those poor penguins and and sharks. Uh?

Speaker 7 (56:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I it is true that if there's a there'll be
there'll be left of center events that are hosted there
just by just by you know, likelihood of having an event,
a play or event center that's nice, it's brand new.
There'll be no there'll be no Republican protesting it, saying
that you can't have anything that's a Democrat you know,
you know event here. There's going to be none of
that there never has been any of that. They have.

(56:22):
They do discriminate. They are prejudiced against anything right of center.
And my son went to the Lincoln Day dinner and
they just keep you on things like you voted for
a rapist and you did. I mean, they just it's
the same arranged screeching and scolding and it has zero
substance to any of it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
It's like Code Pink who went down to Cuba. Yep,
they said the Cubans are doing really well. Of course
they stayed in a five star hotel. You imagine that power,
by the way, that had power. Imagine that power. So
you know, they just I guess they don't have anything
to do with their life other than protest. Most Americans
are busy and have time.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Jobs. Yeah, jobs, We have families. We like to take
care of our communities. All right. When we come back,
we'll talk about the debt and why Congress refuses to
take a look at it and what's going on. We're
headed down a dangerous path. Boats. We'll talk about that next.
Was that old song rainy days and mondays?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I don't know, but I'm i'm, I'm.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
It's not rainy, it's beautiful outside.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I just yawned during the You know, it's only what
six and nine yawning, so yeah, it me. I don't know,
but Mondays are always Monday for some reason. I always
feel sleepy.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Hey, real quick before we go to our next guest.
Donald Trump has done it again. I love it. He's
installed a new statue of chrisher Christopher Columbus outside the
Eisenhower Executive Office Building in DC. Good. We like Chris Columbus,
and everyone got rid of Chris Columbus. Now Trump, we're
bringing them back.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Every Italian American is saying thank you, mister President.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
As they should be. Well, this is ugly news, folks.
That happened just last week or two weeks ago. The
gross national debt broke the thirty nine trillion dollar threshold
back on March seventeenth. For comparison, the debt was thirty
four point five trillion in March of last year. That's
an increased greg of four point five trillion dollars in

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just two years. How long can we sustain this?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
You can't. There's no there's no example in written human
history where this kind of government acceleration of spending and
you can go back to the Roman Empire. You just
cannot do this. This is not a formula for success
at all.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, well, what is going on? Joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now is Brittany Madney. She's the executive
vice president of the Economic Policy Innovation Center. Brittany, how
are you? And welcome to the Rodden Greg Show. Thanks
so much for joining us, Brittany, Hey.

Speaker 14 (58:55):
Thanks for having me. I'd be a half of a
lot better if we weren't thirty nine trillion dollar debt.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Me.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Two years we climbed what four point five trillion dollars
in debt? What on earth is going on? Brittany?

Speaker 14 (59:09):
Absolutely unbelievable. You know, before we even get into how
we got here, I think it's useful if we talk
a little bit about what that number even means. Once
you get into the trillions, it's kind of hard to
even fathom what we're talking about. I mean, I talk
to my parents about it sometimes, and my dad's eyed
glaze over and he's a businessman. So if we're sitting

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here talking about thirty nine trillion dollars in debt, what
does that actually mean? If we break it down by household,
because that's really who's holding this debt, right, I mean,
it's the American taxpayer who gets stuck with the bill.
At the end of the day, you're at two hundred
and eighty nine thousand dollars in debt per household, and
then you have to add on top of that another

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five hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars per household for
the unfunded liabilities in Medicare and Social Security, and then
you add on another seventy seven one hundred dollars per
household just to cover the interests on the bill. So
that gives you about eight hundred and seventy five thousand
dollars as a single household bill to deal with the

(01:00:15):
debt picture right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
So I'm confused by the trajectory. I you know, when
Prisident Trump came in, he started doge and we started
to see where some of this money. But we're not
talking trillions, but we're talking hundreds of billions at least
or but we saw the waste and we didn't know
I didn't know what existed to the extent it did,
but it looked like we were changing how we were
spending or just writing those blank checks you saw the
Department of Education. Some of the critical functions that you

(01:00:40):
would need are in different agencies of the Department of Education.
Seems to be winding down. I would have thought to
this administration, we would at least see this chart that's
going straight up. We would at least see it start
to level off. Why is why are we printing money
at a higher rate today than ever before?

Speaker 14 (01:00:58):
Well, I think I huge part of the problem is
that so much of our spending is now being done
on what's called the mandatory or autopilot side of the ledger.
When we're talking about the budget fights that Congress is having,
what we're actually talking about is only about twenty five
percent of the federal budget. The vast majority of spending

(01:01:20):
of your tax dollars is not coming from those discretionary
appropriation skills. It's on autopilot. And that's really where the
biggest drivers of our deficit and our debt are right now.
So you have to look at the big welfare programs, Medicaid,

(01:01:41):
food stamps, but you also have to take a look
at Social Security and Medicare, which I know is politically unpopular,
but that's where the spending.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Is we're talking right now with Britney Madne. She is
with the Economic Policy in Innovation Center, talking about the
huge debt that this country is now carrying. Brittany, you know,
I look at this and I think of the old question,
how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time?
Are there simple things, one bite that Congress could do
or a series of bytes that they could do to

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try and bring some sanity back to this if that's
even possible.

Speaker 14 (01:02:16):
Yeah, absolutely, I think it all starts with building the
muscle memory in Congress to make cuts. You can't just
say yes to everything. When we're at a one point
nine trillion dollar deficit. What that means is that we
are spending one point nine trillion dollars more than we're
planning on taking in this year. The solution to that

(01:02:37):
is not to tax more, because we don't have a
revenue problem. Revenues are on the same pace that they've
always been. The issue is that we have a spending problem.
So step one, stop automatically increasing spending. We shouldn't be
just assuming that our spending on government programs is going
to increase every year that's what we do. We should

(01:02:59):
really be intentioned all with that, So step two we
need we need to be looking at all of these
quote unquote masked path bills in front of us and
making sure that those are scrutinized. Is it really much pass?
What's in there? What are the priorities? Are there? Nice
to have them there or their need to have some there?
And start getting a handle on this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
So you know that it is hard to get your
head around. And I think you've done a great job
in terms of landing it on the household debt. Uh,
you know what, what does thirty nine trillion really mean?
My worry is that you're we are now at a
number and I think this has accelerated so quickly that
I don't know how it would turn around. And my
bigger worry is the global markets, the banks, the financial institutions.

(01:03:43):
When does the United States, which you know has been
the standard it's you know, our US dollar is what
things are clocked against. When does our our precarious situation
with spending start to impact negatively even the global markets
in terms of the dimming of the US economic strength?
And then where do they go from here? If you
don't have a strong US economy because we have spent

(01:04:06):
ourselves to a point where we're just dangerously tearing on disaster.

Speaker 14 (01:04:13):
Wez and that's the question on everyone's mind out here,
and we're trying to figure that out. But the reality
of the situation is it could turn on a dime.
We're now past the point of whether or not we're
in a stable environment.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
We're not.

Speaker 14 (01:04:28):
It's entirely feasible to make the argument that we are
already entering a fiscal crisis environment and that we have
a very narrow window to change that trajectory before we
get into a very serious problem. So let me give
you one example of that. The Social Security Trust Fund

(01:04:48):
is going insolvent in twenty thirty two. Twenty thirty two
is not that far away. Senators who are running for
office this year are still going to be in office
under the same same term in twenty thirty two when
the trust Fund goes insolvent and benefits are automatically cut.
So if you're voting for a senator this year, that

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senator is going to be sitting there because you voted
this year at the same time that the trust one's
going insolvent. Now what that means in practice is this
is not the next guy's problem. It's this guy problem.
We're finally at that breaking point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Well what if freatening thought that is, Brittany, Thanks for
making her happy Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Thank you, Brittany, you ask.

Speaker 14 (01:05:35):
Me, I know I know better, if not for this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yet, Oh you're scaring me straight. I'm not going to
spend anything. We're gonna start saving more.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Brittany, thank you so much. Having a little fun with
you tonight, and thanks for your wealth of information. We
sure do appreciate it absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:05:52):
I'll have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Thank joining us on our newsmaker line, Brittany Madney. She
is with the Economic Policy Innovation Center. The national debt
topping thirty nine trillion dollars in Boy, did that just
wake me up? She said, six years from now, social
Security will be insolvent and the new senator, the senators
you elect this year will be in office.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
And that rolls around, that hits the ark, that hits you, pal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Well, it's gonna hit you. Well, you're you're you're barreling
toward it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I know I am, but you know I I you're
on the clock. I mean, you're you're enjoying all the
fruits of your labor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, maybe not for long.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I know that's kind of a raw deal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I'm about buying me a little cabin up on the
Madison River in Wyoming and just fly fish all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
You know that sounds like a good plan. I don't
think you're gonna you better get a low cost of living.
Wherever you're going is just go there, go like that.
Ted Kaczinski, you know, cabin in the middle of nowhere.
I think you won't be spending a lot of money.
Take a typewriter with you. Thank you writing a letter.
Sure it won't blow up?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
All right, boy, coming up the Roddy and Greg Show
with you on this Monday evening and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five k n r S.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I just heard sign. I just learned something about our
friend Rod that is very disturbing. I'm just going to
tell you. I don't know if I let him break
it to you or if I'm gonna knock him out. Well,
you're going to come clean and tell them. Tell our
audience what you just told me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
What what did I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
You cannot read signs?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yes, I can drive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yes, you are like illegals on the CDL licenses. You
can't read.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Need to be a little bit closer, but I can
read signs. Don't give me this. I can't read you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
You can't be that close. It's not safe. You're supposed
to see it from afar. That's the whole point. Far Well,
whatever distance you say you can't see it, you're supposed
to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Okay, that's the test.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
If you said I can't read any of those signs,
then you may as well be with the CDL license,
driving on our roads, making us all, you know, threatening us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I worked glasses for a long time, yeah, okay, and
got LASIK. Haven't needed glasses forever. Las has been wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Haven't don't have any glasses forever. Can't read a sign
on a road, I don't need them. You can understand
how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
As you get a little older, your I say, deteriorates
a little bit, right, But then you were just telling
me at some point it does level off.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
That's what my that's what my optometrist told me told you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yes, so see, I think my drop is leveled off
a little bit. I can signs. I thought my glasses on.
What sign do you want me to read in here?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
You just you are the one that confessed this to me.
I can't. I can't quiz you now. You said I
can't read signs. You said it, and I'm like that,
what are you talking about? You've got to be able
to read signs. It's part of driving. You have to
know what it says.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I saw what I can see. If you're on a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Road trip, how do you know what exit to get
off of? You know that you have a number.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I have a little map. You know your car map?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Exit fourteen? Are you going to see the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Fourteen because it directs you to it? Oh? No, this
is a disaster I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Just is she aware that you can't? Oh? Yeah, yes,
see Yeah. The way you said that shows that my
concern is shared.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
We have a great male audience, a great man, and
we have some great women out there too. How many
of you men are like me? When you're driving, you
have a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Next to you, mean spouse?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Yeah, who is telling you things about your driving? Yes, well,
say something about your driving.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I'm an excellent driver, definitely an extra excellent driver.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
But she never says anything about your driving.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
No, no, if you did, I'm not telling you, I'm
not gonna I'm not now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
My wife is very helpful occasionally she'll say something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Like you can't see and I think that my life
is in danger.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
She has never said that. She has never said that
because her life has not been in danger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
If you can't see the nimes on the signs, I
can see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The words signs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
I know you could see the words read them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
You're making fun of me, you said it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I'm just repeating what you told me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
There are times or there are signs that you but
I know where I'm going around here, and when I
don't know. I just got back from driving to California, right, yes, yeah,
maps in your car now it just tells you where
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
So you really made you made it safely?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Right am I here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Well, I was just gonna ask how about how about
the cars around you?

Speaker 9 (01:10:16):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
They make it safely? They were fine because maybe you
made it. But at the expensive note people around you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Are you asking me if I caused accident? Yes? Or
caused concerns?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
You get off an exit late because you didn't see
it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I am a very safe driver, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I I think being able to read road signs is
kind of part of the gig. I don't know, call
me crazy. I thought that read road sign you said
you couldn't know you're telling it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
You know what you are? Just you just you embellish things.
How I just said, I came up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
This is an unplanned part of this segment. It came
up right before right you came back from the break.
You said this to me, and it really colored my
intro into this break because it was shocking to hear
you say, I can't read any signs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
I can look at see the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Right now, I can get to come on this program
to talk about how we have illegals that are getting
commercial driver's license.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
So you're.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
One of the problems is that they're unable to read.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
That's because it's not the issue of seeing them. They
don't understand English.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
If you can't read the sign you're just like they are.
They can't read it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You can't read the signs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
So what you said, I don't know what. You can
go ahead and rewrite history if you want, but it's
not how you say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Have you ever noticed me not being able to read anything?

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
No, you read fine here, Thank you very much, But
I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
You said you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I would never get in the car with you now, Wow,
no way you got to read signs. You got to
be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You're the perfect driver. Okay, I've got a quick, quick quiet. Okay,
we're we're on this subject. What when you drive your car.
You've got a brand new car.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
It's really thank you, it's Jerry Sinner. Why do you
sit so low in your car?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I don't, Yes, you do you talk? Your head is
hardly above It is not true, is that right? Why
does he? Why does he?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I throw my arm up on top of the steering
one like this because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Your rider, like a man, sits in the car and
takes command of the car. Now you're down there, you're
kind of wimpy. No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I sit normal in the car. But you and girls
like to put the seat up as high as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I don't put it up as high as possible. If
I like to be above and see things. I see
plenty down that low. You're hardly looking over the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Now you talk about embellishment, this is total and total, perfect,
perfectly out that car. It's a fast car too, I've
never seen I've never seen in Formula one. They're not
sitting like they're on a you know, a four wheel drive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Formula one car.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Of course they are well that's what my car is,
a formula.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
What do you think you think you're out there being
one of the f one driver stapping? Oh verse stapping.
But it's like van stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
But remember how I got a ticket of like less
than twenty four hours after I purchased it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
You did? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
No, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Oh really you had to. Would you have to go
to traffic No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I went to traffic school so that I would you take
But you then you have to have a clean record
for a whole year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I bet, I bet you don't make it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I'm sweating it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I bet you don't make it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
But you drive flower than I do, so you'll be over.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
I mean you're you're well because you can't see the
speed limit to know if you're driving too fast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Oh granny going down the road. All right, have we
solved our problem?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I think we have?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Okay, shall we break? Yes? Yeah, we have kids. I
think we have your high salary. All right? More coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show on this Monday.
That was an engaging segment on talk radio one oh
five nine k n RS. A lot of discussion in
this country over the years, and increasingly so I think
greg is the debate over so called culture wars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yes, what would you agree? Yes, I would culture worse.
It's stanny politics, it's DEI it's it's transgenderism.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
It's all right. Well, do you know that they had
critical wars during the Roman Empire? Critical? What culture war? Culture?
I should say, during the Roman Empire? I don't blind me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I think that's fake news.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
It is not fake news.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I think you just made that up. I watched Gladiator.
It wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I don't say anything. Well that was that's basically your knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
You're basing your knowledge of the Roman Empire on Gladiator.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yes, all of it. Yes, it was very entertaining. Are
you not entertained?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Oh? You just you had to drop them one and well,
let's find out about the parallels between ancient Rome and
what is going on in America today and really around
the world with the transgender movement. Joining us on our
news maker line, our good friend Tyler O'Neil, managing editor
at The Daily Signal, Tyler, will you will you please

(01:15:01):
tell my co host that I'm not making this up.
Don't say it's not so No, he's not at all.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
So they had both critical wars, as you mentioned, but
they also had culture wars in ancient Rome. And in fact,
the culture wars in ancient Rome feel a lot similar
to what we have today. And you know, there are
a lot of reasons for this. A lot of people
don't seem to don't remember, but the Roman Empire was

(01:15:31):
a very culturally diverse, pluralistic society. So I think it's
it's interesting to think about it in these terms because
you know, atheists these days and Christians don't see eye
to eye, but for a long period, Christians were condemned
and called atheists in the Roman Empire. And one of

(01:15:55):
the main reasons why Christians were put to death was
because they would not do the basic sacrifice to the
Roman emperors, who were considered to be divine. So you
had this system, and you know, this is common in
the ancient world, even from the days of Babylon. They

(01:16:18):
had these systems where you had one god who was
kind of in control of a pantheon of gods, and
they all believed that each city could have had its
own deity. And so when you had an empire like
the Babylonian Empire or the Assyrian Empire or the Roman Empire.
They said that whoever the head hancho god of the

(01:16:41):
ruling city was, that God was the head of the pantheon,
and the other gods all were kind of obey sance
to that ruler God. And the unique thing in Judaism
and Christianity was this claim that no, there is only
one God, and you know, we're not going to worship

(01:17:04):
any other gods. But the interesting thing is, you know,
it's it's it's very similar and feel to the way
we have these left wing cultural issues that everyone is
supposed to you know that everyone is supposed to not
quite worship, but you know you will spend the need
to because you have these Black Lives Matter flags, these

(01:17:27):
LGBT rainbow flags. You know, I live in the DC area,
and anytime I drive into d C, it's almost unavoidable
that somewhere you're going to see a rainbow flag, often
on you know, often on a government building or in
a public place that is designed to send the message

(01:17:48):
like this, this tear this land is the territory of
this movement, and if you disagree, you're you know, you're
not following that. That that's a similar feel to what
they had when the Christians had to worship the emperors
or the fad the lions.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Okay, Tyler, So you know, you're kind of shaking my
understanding of all this, and that's fine, that's fine. I'm
I don't know what I don't know. So if we
don't learn from history, we're doomed to repeat it. What
does history say or does it say anything about this
I'm reading you know that they had transgenderism, or they
had people that they saw that were men that they

(01:18:27):
imagined as goddesses or women, and what what did history tell?
What does history tell us about this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
You know this cult and this this movement that happened
in Rome.

Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
Yeah, so this was one of the mystery religions. So
in that pluralistic society, you had a lot of these
different cults, and one of the cults was the worship
of the Magna Mater or Sybilly, and this goddess had,
you know, was known for having ann who was infatuated

(01:19:02):
with her. A priest who you know, de emasculated, emasculated himself,
cut off his manhood in service of the priest and
kind of dressed up like a priestess or in service
of the goddess, i should say, and dressed up like
a priestess. And so there was this this ritualistic castration

(01:19:24):
that they would engage in. And you know, Catulus, who's
one of the one of the Roman poets whose work
survives to us, had a very long poem about one
of the priests who would do this and then envisioning
that priest having regret. So we had this echo of
the struggle of a detransitioner essentially all the way back

(01:19:49):
in ancient Rome. And so one of the reason, the
reason this came to my attention, you know, I have
read Catulus, but I hadn't read this particular poem until
I spoke with the transitioner and he was telling me
that he was reading this because you know, some some
segments of the transgender movement like to say that transgenderism

(01:20:11):
has always has always existed. And one of the things
they do is they point to this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
This ancient Roman cult.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
The interesting thing about the cult is that it isn't
from Rome. It was from Phrygia, which was a land
in Phrygia now the land now known as Turkey Asia Minor.
And so this, uh, this land was very known for
wealth I mean the old king Criesans. You know, you

(01:20:38):
have Riches Criesus, and then the myth of King Midas
also came from there. And you know this, this is
the area that's supposedly first invented coinage, and so they're
immensely wealthy. And what we see from this, you know,
this connection is this suggestion, and I think it's a

(01:21:00):
it's a very good suggestion that excess well can often
lead people to, you know, go down to very dark
places in search of, you know, self actualization.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
And so in ancient Rome you had this.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
Culture war where a lot of people wanted Rome to
return to the old ethic of the citizen farmer and
the old Roman senate. And unfortunately, you know this, this
is uh they wanted to return to that, but they
also had these these very populist leaders like Julius Caesar,

(01:21:40):
like Marius and Sulla who were fighting one another. And
you know, over time what happened was the old Empire,
which they associated with these citizen farmers, this virtuous history,
this old republic fell to an empire and the one man.

(01:22:01):
And unfortunately, you know, I like a lot of what
President Trump has been doing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I like a lot of.

Speaker 8 (01:22:09):
You know, some of what we what we've seen in
a few previous administrations, but what we're seeing in America
in general is this kind of breakdown of the institutions
of the old Republican system. And you know, this ask
this assertion of pure will and strength from the presidency

(01:22:32):
and this this also really echoes Rome. And you know,
some of us like to see a lot of what
President Trump is doing, but at the same time, this
growth of the presidency, uh, it's it's almost like shifting
America in a similar trajectory to what we saw in
the days of the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Late Roman Republic. I've heard people talk about that before. Tyler,
fascinating as always, great to have you on the show.
Thanks for a few minutes of your time tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Yeah, hey, thank you, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Tyler O'Neill, Managing editor of The Daily Signal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Bredon circuses, huh, bredon circuses.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
You just think of gladiator, that's it. There's more to
it than that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I never saw one gladiator that was you know, transition
back like they would not last long.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Sure, man, I don't think they too. I saw what
about the two brothers who were emp Well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
There was there was that too, Chet, Yes, but I don't.
They wouldn't last long in the Gladiator ring. I'll tell
you that that's not a place for them. No, okay,
that's that's Ruffians in there.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Sure, that's what I saw in the movie Base alone. Yes, absolutely,
some final thoughts coming up the Rodic Greg Show with
you on this Monday in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Can arrest starting to realize, Greg, I think
they are that there are those within the Iranian leadership
who lie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Yes, their pants are full on on fire. I'm telling
you they are fire liars and their pants are on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
For how long did they tell us that they're only
producing nuclear materials for to benefit their country for power,
for power, yeah, power, yeah, and then they said long.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Range missiles, like we like medium just to protect ourselves,
just to protect ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
So what happened this weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
They fired a couple of long range missiles. We know,
difference is two thousand kilometers gives you a circle around
Tehran or around the Iran that you know they're looking
at Israel, but they're looking at maybe their Arab states
protecting themselves. You double that distance to four thousand kilometers,
and now you're starting to you. Now you're looking at UK,
you're looking at France, you're looking at you're looking at

(01:24:49):
Europe in a big way. Well, they swore on their
lives in February of this year of twenty twenty six. No,
we're not doing any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Two of them went to Diego Gart four thousand thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
So they have absolutely had those rockets and the capability
to send long ballistic missiles that far and if you
put a nuke on it, I mean there's just their
ears endless threats once you have that kind of long
range capacity, of which they have proven on their own
that they absolutely have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Now here's what's freaky. When Barack Obama was in the
White House, he was trying to neotiate a deal with Iran.
Remember that, Yes, and Congress rejected it. But I'm want
to take you back eleven years ago. This is then
Florida Senator Marco Rubio talking about the threat of Iran
and what it could mean for the United States.

Speaker 15 (01:25:40):
They'll also continue to build long range missiles, missiles capable
of reaching the United States. Those are not affected by
the steal and they'll continue to build them as they've
been doing. And then at some point in the near future,
when the time is right, they will build a nuclear weapon.
And they will do so because at that point they
will know that they have become immune, that we will
no longer be able to right their nuclear program because

(01:26:01):
the price of doing so will be too high. This
is not just the work of imagination. It exists in
the world today. It's called North Korea.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
He's right. So North Korea is to a position that
the United States really cannot attack North Korea because of
guy with funny haircut nuclear That's where iron was headed. Yes,
that's why Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
And it was it was Bill Clinton that signed the
deal with North Korea. They said the same They had
the same story. We need nuclear because we need power. Okay,
let's sign this pretty document that says you'll never use
it for weaponry. And then lo and behold they have
They not only do they have nukes, but they have
long range intercontinental missiles, they claim. And so now there's
nothing you can really do about North Korea other than,

(01:26:43):
you know, just warn them, which President's done.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
You know, I was just listening to that by I
was wondering how difficult it must be for Donald Trump
and people like Marco Rubio just sleep at night knowing
what's going on in the world. Yeah, there's a lot happening.
And the threats against the United States of America. I mean,
this was eleven years ago. Marco Ruby, I think has
done an unbelievable job, really has as Secretary of State.
This was eleven years ago, and he saw this and

(01:27:09):
warned the American people about it. And thank goodness, we
told Barack Obama, you know that deal, Noah, we aren't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Going to take it, you know. And the mission mission
has been three. It's been nukes, missiles, and terrorism.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Those are the three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
And I'm going to tell you that when those missiles
go four thousand kilometers instead of the two thousand that
they swore, that's all the further they could go. That
alone tells you that something needed to be done pretty quick,
because that four thousand kilometer missile range goes right after Europe.
And this is a this is a government, a regime
run by clerics who do not say mutual destruction does

(01:27:43):
not does not dissuade them. No, they they don't mind
dying in the cause.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
It's all right. That does it for us? Tonight, Head up,
shoulders back by God bless you and your family. And
that's three great country of hours. Enjoy your Monday, reg
and I we're back tomorrow at for I have a
good evening.

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