The Rod and Greg Show: Support for ICE Detention in Salt Lake City; Why People Shift to Right As They Age; Kouri RIchins Trial Updates

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The engineers have been welcoming. Everyone's been very nice. Rod,
They've been very nicer than you. I can just tell
you that I just want to throw it out there.
They've been very kind to me, you know, any rate,
but nicer than e Ray too.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So you know, you know, we could arrange it that
you never come back.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Well, that'd be a bit of a mixed bagage. It's
not too bad out here, but a little pricey, a
little bit price.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
A little bit pricey. Well, I'm glad you had a
great weekend. A lot going on this weekend, world talk
about everything to get you caught up on your world today, Greg,
It's going to be interesting depending on I guess weather
is causing problems back Keys. Why are they getting all
the snowstorms and we are getting any this year? Can
you figure that out? I mean, I just want to
Minnesota and Wisconsin. We have blowing snow all over the place.

(00:45):
We've got aleck of snow.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Our affiliate at KTV Chase, he's saying that in the
five days of summer like weather in Utah, we're gonna
lose most of the snowpack that was already at a
record low. That fire it's gonna be like sixty degrees
up in the mountains. That's going to get rid of
most of the snowpack that found its way here. I
don't know what that means, if that's good or bad.
But it didn't. He didn't write it like it was

(01:08):
positive news.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, didn't sound didn't there that.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got a lot to get to today, a lot
to talk about sports this weekend. Of course, all the
conference championships. We had selections Sunday yesterday. Baseball is just
around the corner. The NBA is rolling toward the playoffs,
as are there or as is the NHL. We're going
to be talking here in a few minutes. Greg, and
I love this story about you know, sports journalism. Why

(01:34):
did it go left? Greg? I mean you know why.
I mean, they didn't used to talk politics in sports.
You know, we went to sports to get some kind
of an escape from the troubles of the world and
watch great people who are talented be able to perform
and do their best. But all of a sudden there
has to be this little little political toss in almost everything,

(01:55):
it seems nowadays.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well you know what we.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Put up with with you know, if Obama as president
and we had our sports team that won the Super
Bowl or whatever they might win, they go to the
White House. It wasn't it wasn't an affront to us.
We weren't offended. Now if someone goes and visits the
White House the Left, they just foam at the mouth.
It's the worst thing in the world. It's just a
moral failing of any athlete that would dare enter the

(02:19):
White House, a Trump White House, and I do I
think it has grown over time, and it's very sad,
you know. And but by the way, I just think
there's a resurgence of at least you saw in the
Olympics that are our hockey team, our women's hockey team,
our men's team, USA Hockey team, and now the Paralympics
team all winning gold. Never happened before. And then what

(02:40):
a nail bier last night where the team USA and
baseball has beat the Dominican Republican Republic, which is some
would argue the second best team. First people thought Japan,
Dominican Republican and USA were probably the top three teams.
And we beat Dominican Republican life yesterday. And I'll tell

(03:01):
you you see some of the players that are pretty
low key on their own personal accomplishments. That just gets
so excited. It's kind of like watching the Ryder Cup
and golf, but you see these guys that are pretty
low key. They're just really really excited to represent the country,
see the team USA win. So you've got that side
of sports that I'm liking.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it's been great watching all the sports being here.
We'll all talk about that big blow up here in
the state over the last several days, especially up and
down the Watats Front, about the purchase of this building
by ICE to use it as a detention center. We'll
talk with the county sheriff who says he's in favor
of this idea. A little bit later on, we'll talk

(03:43):
about why people shift to the right as they get older,
Quit looking at me like that, and George Washington's warning
about religion. That's all coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show on this Monday afternoon. First of all, Greg, good,
big week in the Senate. What are they going to
do with Mike Lee Save America Act? They're willing to

(04:05):
debate it. Any thoughts on what's going to happen with that, Greg, You.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Know, I think they're going to still require sixty votes.
So I think that this all this is, and maybe
it's better than nothing, but this will be a long
They're going to set rules for the Senate to allow
for a an extended debate to get the Democrats on
the record as to why they oppose the Save Act,
and I be Ultimately they are not changing the rules

(04:30):
on the on the talking filibuster, so it won't be
a fifty one vote majority to carry the day. I
think it will still require sixty. So I don't know
if you're not getting it done the performative part. I
guess it's better than nothing, but it's it's really discouraging
to me. I think election integrity. There is no way

(04:51):
that the Democrats are opposing an eighty twenty issue. Eighty
percent of America without regard to any political affiliation, see
no problem with and probably prefers some you know acknowledgment
that the person voting is supposed to be able to
vote for them to fight against That means that the
fix is in with me. I I don't there is
no logic in campaigns and elections why you would go

(05:13):
against eighty percent of the population or the of the
voters on an issue unless there's something in it for him,
and the only thing that would be in it for
him on voter integrity voting against voter integrity is that
you don't have voter integrity. That's the only that's the
only thing I can figure it. So it's worrisome, it's
it's it is really too bad that we can't get
that talking filibuster you know, done, And it's been done

(05:36):
before in the Senate. This isn't this isn't new. It's rare,
but it's not new, and I think these times that
we're in right now call for it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, Mike Lee is holding up as much as he
can with a bit of optimism. He gave an update
on his website last night. That's what he had to
say about what's going on.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
We're going to bring it to the four, We're going
to debate it for an extended period of time before
filing closure. And I, in my view, at least I
want to speak for anyone else, this bill needs to
remain on the Senate floor before we file cloture on
the bill, for as long as it takes to get
it done. Now, the fact that later thrown in his
office has been willing to work with us on this,

(06:10):
and they appear open to a variation of that is
a good thing. So let's keep up the momentum. Let's
encourage them to continue to do this. Let's put the
bill on the floor. Let's make those who want a
filibuster speak and keep it on there as long as possible.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, Missouri Center Eric Schmidt has been talking to the
White House about this. This is what he's hearing from
the White House.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Okay, some big news on the Save America Act. It
is finally coming to the Senate floor this week. I've
been working with President Trump in the White House and
we'll be introducing a substitute amendment that would include not
just be a proof of citizenship to vote in photo ID,
but also get rid of this mass mail in balloting scam.
We've seen too many places allowing mail in balloting for military, elderly,

(06:54):
people with disabilities or absence, reasonable things like that. And
then also banning trans mutilation for kids and also men
and women's sports. These are widely popular. Be working with
Senderly and so many others on the Senate to get
this done this week.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, I think the effort, Greg is to get every
Democrat in the country to take a stand on these
controversial issues and go on record, and they will use
that in the midterms. You're darn right they're going to.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And they should. I again, all of these issues. But
I my worry is that the Democrats don't care. You
can use it in there. But if they've gained it,
if they've cooked the books, what are they afraid of?
I mean, sometimes you don't people like these Democrats. They
don't care who votes, if they get if they can
get to decide who counts the votes. Yeah, yeah, they

(07:40):
don't care or what votes get counted. My goodness.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
All right, coming up on the Roden greg Show on
this Monday afternoon, what happened at sports journalism in this country?
Why is it so left anymore? We'll talk about that
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine knrs.
Coming up at the bottom of the hour, Greg, A
lot of discussion of the past several days about this
ICE detention center possibly coming to Salt Lake City. Looks

(08:05):
like ICE has purchased a building west of the airport.
I guess between the airport and the state prison somewhere
out there. They have purchased that facility, and a lot
of people are expressing concern. We'll talk with a local
county sheriff who actually thinks it's a good idea that's
coming up.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
As it is. Yeah, No, it's an important issue, and
I think that there's a public safety component obviously that
doesn't get spoken about enough.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah. Well, remember the day's Greg, when you could watch
Sports Center on ESPN and just enjoy their highlights and
how they presented the game. And then all of a
sudden we started getting political commentary into sports journalism. What
on earth do you think happened? Greg?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, No, I think it's I think it's turned. I
really don't think it's one of those both sides isms
that the Democrats like to say, will both sides do it?
I think you see some athletes that actually recoil from
this leftist lurt share or lean that they've been pushed into,
so you see them push back a little bit. But
the left definitely decided that they were going to make

(09:08):
sports because of its popularity their playground, and I think
I think we're in the middle of that.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more
about that is Steve Malanga. He is a senior editor
at the City Journal in Manhattan Institute. He wrote about
that over the weekend, Steve, thanks for joining us. What
happened to sports journalism? All of a sudden it lurched left?
What happened Steve?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, Well, the first thing is the very idea that
sports journalism would have any political orientation, you know, twenty
years ago would it just seemed like completely off.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Ball, you know what I mean? I mean what I
grew up, you know, depending upon what age.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You are, when I grew up with sports journalism is
basically local journalism, right. You followed your team, whether it
was in the NBA or the Major League Baseball, and
it was local reporters and they were mostly you know,
and then you read about what was going on around
the risk of the league, and that was pretty much it,
you know.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
But somewhere along the.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Lines, as local newspapers began to die, sports journalism consolidated
into these national sites like the Athletic or ESPN, And
at the same time, sports journalism became like the rest
of journalism. It became kind of what I call credential,
meaning suddenly you had to start going to journalism school

(10:27):
in order to be given a job in sports journalism.
And you know, there are two differences. A lot of
sports journalisms years ago, they weren't even college graduates necessarily,
you know, or they were just someone who got a
job because they were fascinated by high school local high
school sports, and they started in the sports just that
way as interns and so forth. You know, Now suddenly

(10:47):
you have a generation of sports journalists who have come
through the modern American university.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
And I don't have to tell you what's happened to the.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Modern American universities. And they're all kind of national in
scope without really a connection, that really local connection. So
it's a completely different field. And as a result, sports
journalists don't thinked the way many sports fans do. Clearly,
service show as I as I suggested this piece, I

(11:17):
describe a couple of surveys. Clearly survey show that fans
in general don't want politics and sports to mix.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You know, I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, a huge
sports town. We love our sports. It almost defines us
as a city and as residents when I was growing up.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
And I know it, well, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yes, So, and here's the thing, never once. I mean,
politics just did not It never entered the phrame. It
never did. It didn't matter, and it was a unifying
endeavorble go to watch the games, to see them on TV,
to hear them on the radio, to all of it.
It brought a community together without regard to any political persuasion.
You narrate some of this change after Trump was elected

(11:58):
in sixteen, But when when do you spot the moment
that this started to get political? Because even Michael Jordan said, hey,
everybody by Republicans buy tennis shoes also, So I mean
there was kind of a resistance even in the Jordan
era to get into that game. When did things get bad?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, Well, as I'm describing this piece, it was The
New York Times maybe about twenty years ago that started
dragging the whole field.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
And you know, the Times has always been kind of
the thought.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Leader, and so if you go all the way back,
I mean to there are a lot of the very
politicized cases that particularly you remember the old Duke University
of Lacrosse case which a woman claimed that she had
been raped by team and this created this meeting frenzy,
and the Times led the frenzy as I've actually written

(12:48):
about this years ago. I wrote about it. Within sixt
or seven weeks, they wrote forty different stories on this,
you know, and all of them were kind of vilifying
that the male culture and something like that.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
And even some noted.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Journalists like Stuart Taylor at the National Law Journal, you know,
intervened and said that this is really unfair coverage, and
because what we know what happened in that case is
is that the allegations proved to be completely false, false,
The prosecutor in that case was disbarred, and these kids
were vilified for no reason at all. And yet there

(13:26):
was never a moment of doubt in the Times coverage.
And you know, you would have thought that when that
happened that they would have at least been a little
bit you know, embarrassed by this. But instead, what then
happened is with the election of Trump, they they dragged
the rest of the media along in this really really

(13:49):
you know, tenditious way. I'll give you a couple of examples.
Soon after Trump was elected in twenty sixteen, the sports
sections started writing stories where they called up professional god
there's men and women and asked them if they would
still play golf with Trump, because of course Trump on
not only all of all these golf courses, but he

(14:09):
was actually a sponsor of the LPGA, the ladies tournament.
And then well you're still gonna play, you know. And
then they were like keeping scoring and writing stories about
who was gonna and not gonna play Trump golf with Trump,
you know. And then before the super Bowl twenty seventeen,
they are asking the the NFL owners at the super

(14:32):
Bowl the week before Super Bowl questions like, well, what
do you think of Trump's immigration policy? Well, if there's
any sport in America that has mostly really American born players,
I would say it's the NFL. What kind of a
question about And the NFL actually cut some of those
questions out because of the transcripts of the Super Bowl

(14:53):
because press conference, because they said they were irrelevant, But
that was what was happening. The Times in the post
did that that really, I guess kind of hyper charged
the whole uh scene, if you will.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, you know, you know, Steve, we were talking about
this this morning in our morning meeting with Greg and
myself and our producer and talking about well when do
you think this started? I brought up the point I
think My feeling is that it started with Kaepernick because
the sports reporters didn't really understand that story or how
to cover that story, and they went in one direction

(15:27):
and is trying and trying to prevent a fair picture
of what this guy was trying to do. Did Kaepernick
play into this at all? Do you think, Steve.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well? I think he was another illustration of the start
at the coverage got and became you know, and again
this was this case where lafeans did not sign.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
On to this. They ignored the fact.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
That Kaepernick himself had had all this opportunity to play
in the NFL, uh and and and so this then
became this you know this basically it was the narrative
you know, when he started those uh those protests, and
again that was something that was well out of step

(16:10):
with what a lot of fans wanted to see at
the time. But I think that was kind of that
was another one of those incidents that just kind of
supercharged it. And the other thing is then it really
took off during COVID because you know, daring, daring COVID.
I mean, you had it's incredible, you had you know,

(16:31):
top national sports writers basically saying shut it all down,
shut everything down. It's a crime if you let these
people play.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
And you know, and like.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Even with outdoor sports, you you know what I mean,
like like baseball, you know you're not you know, you know,
you're not going to transmit covid a's side and close
the stadiums. Nobody in the stadiums. Again for outdoor sports.
So you know, at every stage it's kind of been
you know, hyper charged, and now you just you know,

(17:01):
practically every week. Well I'll give you an example this.
So this survey that was done look at two particular
sports networks websites, ESPN and Yahoo Sports, and they looked
at the front page of their websites, and.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
They wanted to calculate how many.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Times did they run political stories on.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Their front page.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
They took one hundred random days in twenty twenty four,
and out of those hundred days, I think ESPN ran
the political story on the front page ninety four times,
and I think it was ninety three or ninety two
for Yahoo. So that would give you a sense of
just how much this stuff is actually you know, there's
this coming at.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You political news on the sports pages. Greg makes a
whole lot of sense doesn't.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, it ruins all the good stuff. You know, this
is the stuff that we should be. You know, you'dn'fied
around and enjoying. And of course they've got to they got.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
To ruin it, remember in the good old days. All right,
more coming up. It is the Monday afternoon edition of
The Rotten Greg Show on Talk Radio one five nine
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(18:56):
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Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, the big news of the week, late last week
and here in Utah, Greg, has been the news that
ICE has purchased a large building between the airport and
the New State Prisoner are ready to set up a
detention center. And what an outcry of people saying, not here,
pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Greg, An outcry of leftist liberal elitists is what. It's
an outcry of anybody that's normal who would like public
safety and people that break the law to not even
if they have, even if they're in our jails. Why
waste our indigent defense money and our processes for people
that are here illegally gop stream and send them away.

(19:37):
Don't clog up our jails in our courts with people
that shouldn't be here Otherwise, I say.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
There are some people in law enforcement who support the idea,
including our next guest, Wever Coounty Sheriiff Ryan our Bond Sheriff.
Great have you on the show today? Your reaction to
all the reaction of the ICE detention.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
Center, Well, I'm not surprised at any of the reactions,
but my belief that this is a right move. There's
a lot of pros that come with having a facility.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Local sheriff I have the honor of working with you
and county sheriff from across the state, and this has
been a topic that has come up where you know,
in the past administration and even into the Trump administration.
You know, if there are people that are on that
need to be deported and you alert ice, there has
to be somewhere for them to go. And the Western

(20:25):
states have been without a facility, and so Nevada's overfilled,
They're overcrowded. Sometimes some of the people that are let
go find their way to Salt Lake City because there
wasn't a place for them to be detained until they
could be removed or deported. Doesn't this open up capacity
so the people that are dangerous, that are criminals that
are here illegally can be held until those deportation orders

(20:47):
go through. And really net NET makes our community safer.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
Yes, And that's the primary goal of public safety, is
to make our community much safer. With this addition, facility
that's potential to be located in the Salt Lake area
is going to be a great benefit. There's already strain
and other challenges that we have at the county jails,
and ICE relies on us and we want to help them,

(21:15):
but a lot of our jails are at or near capacity,
and then we don't want to let anybody go in
that sense, And you're right, Greg, this is the great,
the right thing to do this time for ICE and
those they're here illegally and have criminal records. And as
you know, just about six months or a year ago,

(21:35):
there was over a million and a half removal orders.
A lot of these individuals that have been through the
federal court process. They were told to leave and they
haven't left, and some of them are right here in
Utah along the lost.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
That front Sheriff Helsei. I mean, the concern would be
of course from people about safety and how safe would
a detention center like this be, I mean compared to
is it as safe as a jail?

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Well, I think it can be. I don't know. I'm
sure there's going to be some sort of construction in
this new facility and they'll follow the laws and the
regulations and the standards that are required for facility like that,
but it will impact make it a safer community right
here in Utah. There's many times that some of our
jails can't hold these individuals that should be detained or

(22:27):
even deported out of Utah, and they're let back into
society and sometimes they'll go back to maybe committing crime
and committing other offenses. And this will provide a mechanism
to create a safer community here in Utah.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I think one of the important details is that that
ICE detention centers are not the same as a prison
or a correctional facility jail, and sometimes the standards are
a little bit more relaxed for those that are being detained,
meanings that they have visitors or they can go and
talk to people more frequently. And so where people said,
well why can't you just put them all in the

(23:06):
jail or in the state prison, it is it doesn't fit.
And so what ends up happening is they don't get
held at all. And so the idea that there's a
facility coming, I think the message Sheriff that I've heard
you give is that this will actually hold people that
need to be held that we've had. No our jails
don't fit the prisons don't, and without them, there is

(23:28):
no place this is going to hold people that really
need to be held until they can be deported. Is
that a hard Are people hearing you when you make
that case, because it's a very intuitive case if you
hear it.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Yeah, No, you're right. We have said that. The Sheriff's
a cross Utah has stated that very same thing. I
just I don't think there's that connection of the value
of a detention facility versus the gel. The gel it's
a tougher, it's a different atmosphere. It's designed to hold
those that are you know, to keep the safe. We

(24:00):
have a lot of really bad.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Excuse me, we have a lot of individuals that accused
of cuitting, a lot of really bad crinds and and
a lot of this here with the illegal immigrants are here.
This detention fiell exactly what they should be having because
it fits with the needs and it fits with the
laws that we should be applying in this situation. The
jails just don't fit that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're right, sureff, I know that they're moving quickly to
deport these people, but typically how long any guess as
to how long a person who's in this detained facility
would be there and be deported I mean any guests
at this point.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
My guess is if the Feds had the operations lined
up to the way that they wanted to execute it
as properly and swiftly as best as they can, I
just don't see them here for long periods of time.
One of the benefits that people are not talking about
rod Is in this case is the core house for

(24:59):
a lot of these individuals is right in Salt Lake
and before when we take custody, then the ice will
taken down to Nevada and we got to go back
and forth. Here in Utah will be closer the court,
We'll move the process a lot cleaner, a lot faster,
and they're closer to their their friends and family that
may be in the area.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Sheriff finally, let me ask you, do you think that
that the public that doesn't understand or don't want to
understand those are the protests, These things that are actually
taking the side of those that are broken the law
and painting them as oppressed. How successful they will they
be in a in a county like Salt Lake County
with where you've heard the at least the you know

(25:42):
Mayor menden Hall complain or object to it. I think
also the Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson has done
the same politically speaking. How hard will it be for
law enforcement, both federal and county, you know, federal, state, local,
How hard will it be for you to do the
job and enforced the law if you have this kind
of kind of the same mindset you saw in Minnesota

(26:05):
here in Salt Lake County opposing what you're doing to
enforce the law.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, this is this is the problem that you see
with law enforses. You you both know, Rod and Greg.
Is is what people expect in law enforcement, public safety consistency.
When you get politics injected at this to a strong
left or right, things change and then even law enforces
like what do we do now? Well, is it going
to change tomorrow? We have laws that have been established

(26:33):
by our lawmakers in the United States and also locally
in the state of Utah, and we should be following.
What amazes me is we have individuals that are herely,
they have committed crimes, They've been adjudicated through the federal
process in their order to remove We should all be
supporting that. We all all the selected officials raise our

(26:54):
hand to support and defend the constitutions. Sadly we have
those even locally, but not support the laws that we
already have, especially when it pertains to criminals in this case, uh,
these federal laws with immigration, they should support this. Our
whole goal is to have a community that's so much safer,
that families and can go and walk and do things

(27:17):
that they want to do and not worry about criminal
activity in the area. This is all this does, is
it removes that criminal element and makes our community safer.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Weaver Weaver County share of Ryan arbaand on the Rod
and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Can I am remote?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
You're kind of laid next to the pool.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
No, I'm not. It's a little chillian here.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Our studios are always run warm, this one. You know,
it's always a sweatshop in our rotten Greg studios. But
it's it's a little chilli in here.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Not according you get in his studio and he's freezing
every day.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, this is cold that ours is. Ours is a sweatshop.
It works us like a sweatshop.

Speaker 10 (27:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
There are a couple of I want to talk to
our great listeners about this hour, Greg, and we're going
to open up the phones to you eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod, or leave
us a message on our talkback line. All you do
is have to download the iHeartRadio uplok for kanarrest dot
com and you'll be able to find it there and
see how you can leave us a talkback message. Two things, Greg,

(28:22):
The outcry over this ice detention center coming to West
soul Lake somewhere. I guess it is going to be
between the airport and the prison, you know, And you're right, Greg,
every left us in this city got online and denounced
it as being unsafe to the community. Blah blah blah,
even though we had a conversation a short time ago

(28:43):
with the Weaver County sheriff. He liked the idea. It
would benefit law enforcement, make things a whole lot easier
for them. So, you know, in a way, I'm surprised,
But in a way, Greg, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
How about you, Well, there seems to be a concerted effort.
I would warn people if you if you're seeing so
called citizens, if it feels grassroots concerned about ICE. Is ICE,
the ICE presidence, the enforcing of federal immigration laws. These
aren't these aren't Utahs, These aren't everyday people that are

(29:15):
doing this. This is This has always been a well organized,
well funded, UH leftist protest that that finds its way
into red states as well. I remember speaking with members
of the of the Utah County Commission as well as
the sheriff in Utah County when they were going through
the UH some of the certification for their sheriffs and

(29:36):
the Sheriff's department in Utah County to work with ICE.
And they the people that filled the Utah County Commission
chambers people they hadn't seen and Republican. They certainly weren't delegates,
they weren't people they had seen before. So I think
this might be. These might be people that are familiar
to Salt Lake City residents or to politics in Salt
Lake City, but they're leftists, and that's who's mad. It's

(29:58):
not people that want one who value public safety that
are upset about this facility here. I mean, we need,
we need to put them in there and quick clogging
our our courts and our jails and they need and
they need to if there's a removal order, they need
to go. And I we have been without this for
quite some time. For years now, we have had a

(30:20):
we've had a capacity problem with the people that ICE
is looking to deport remove. There's been a problem with
that here in the Western States. And this is why
you're seeing this big move made right now.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, you know what point that and you touched on this, Greg,
The point that Sheriff oar Bond brought up was what
about our jail space. They're constantly having to shuffle at
jail space and and and rework it so they can
handle the the illegal immigrants who have been found who
have committed crimes that should be deported out of this country.
But they don't have they you know, they're juggling all

(30:56):
the time the numbers trying to find jail space for them.
Now you have of a facility which is dedicated to that,
so they don't have to worry about that and they
don't have to travel hundreds of miles back and forth
to take care of these people and be here in
Salt Lake County. You rached a point earlier today. Why
I selected Salt Lake County versus maybe Utah County or

(31:16):
David's County to Willock County, you know, Box Elder County.
But it is kind of a central receiving area.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But I had to know it's going to get opposition,
knowing our mayors of the county in the city, wouldn't
you agree?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, you know, absolutely, And and there is there's this
there's this inherent of all the counties in Utah, there's
an inherent more left leftist pool here in Slate County.
So you have some of the elected officials, the Salty
County mayor the Salt Lake City mayor people like that
that are upset with it, but being in close proximity

(31:51):
to courts, but being also in proximity to airports and
and all of the infrastructure, so that we can start
to see an expeditious removal of those that are here.
Here's the other here's the other wrinkle. Let's say you
were Let's say say you overstate a visa. Let's say
that you were here. You were here legally, or let's
say you were you were here illegally and you returned.

(32:14):
There's a there's a level where the jails are meant
to handle violent criminals or people that are charged with
serious crimes where and those the leftists will always tell you, well,
you know, being here overstaying of visa is not the
same type of crime. Some of that by federal rule
and law is true, and so you can't It doesn't
really work as well. But to detain people in our

(32:37):
jails as you would think, because they're not meant for
you to leave and see someone when you want or
have they get they get they get special kind of shampoo,
they get the haircuts when they want, they get all
kinds of stuff. So even when they're detained, they have
a better version of life than someone who might be
in a county jail arrested in a suspect for a

(32:58):
violent crime. So it has been the best fit that way.
Either this facility will I promise you it's going to
put people that need to be taken off the streets,
need to be removed, who are here illegally. The people
that need to enforce outural law can enforce outural law
when you have a facility like this that's close by
here in the Western States, and I think it's going

(33:20):
to be utilized. I think the local law enforcement we
have no problem with notifying ICE when there's a detainer,
when there's they apprehend somebody who should not I should
be notified. Is there Our sheriffs work with law enforcement,
all the US marshalls, Ice, you name it, they work
with them anyway. So it's just going to make this

(33:41):
the whole process work more efficiently. And that's what we
all need.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, and we will. Shouldn't be surprised at all that
Menden Hall and Wilson and others on the left, the
Democratic the Democrats in the state are opposed through this, Greg,
it doesn't surprise anybody at all. But I'd like to
hear from our listeners today eighty eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial Pound
two fifteen and say, hey, Roder, leave us a message
on our talk back line. Greg. You know it's out

(34:06):
near I don't know how close it is to the airport,
how close it is to the state prison. Out there
that apparently is an ideal location for it. I don't
know where else you would put it in Salt Lake
City or Salt Lake County, maybe next Amendment Halls House,
who knows, but you know, you know you've got to
put it out there. And like you said, it makes

(34:29):
things so much easier, relieves pressure off local jails. People
should not be in this country would be held in
one area. The process would be much smoother because they'd
have everything there they needed to deport these people. And
the American people have been very supportive, and I think
a lot of people here in Utah are very supportive
greg of what the President is trying to do. It

(34:51):
is the number one issue on the minds of many
Americans is Donald Trump is doing what he said he
would do, and the American people support it.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Just think about this. Let's say that the sheriffs at
law enforcement, they apprehend someone, they get booked into jail,
they look up and they find out, look, they're not
here legally. There's a there's a whole history there. Okay,
what would you have law enforcement do in that moment?
What would you have our sheriffs do. Is they're booking
someone into jail who has a problem with their immigration

(35:20):
status and other crimes or violations of federal law attached
to that, Well, you'd want them to call ice, That's
what I'd want. Well, when they call ice, if there's
no room at the end, if there's nowhere to pick
them up to take them to which is the case.
You've had overcrowding in Vegas. That's the closest place has
been in Vegas or in Nevada. If it's overcrowded there,

(35:40):
where are they going to go? I even heard these
immigration attorneys not that are you know, that are actually
representing some of these people, argue that having a place
here at least is better because they can visit their
client and get this thing adjudicated faster if they if
it's closer than Nevada, if it's not Nevada, it's I
don't know where. The fact that we've not had a

(36:01):
place means that even if Ice wanted to pick up
some of these people, they haven't been able to and
we don't. Again, it creates a ripple effect across the
state and across multiple Western states when you have nowhere
to detain or to hold people. I mean, that's why
Florida and Governor Desant has opened up Alligator outme Alcatraz.
They opened it up because they needed the capacity. They

(36:22):
needed it and it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
No, it is all right. We want We've got people
already calling in want to respond to this, so we'll
get to your calls. We'll take a break, but the
question we have today your general thoughts about an ICE
detention facility here in Salt Lake City in Salt Lake
County eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey Rod, or leave us a message on our

(36:45):
talk back line by downloading the iHeartRadio app. More coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show. John Curtis is
now weighed in on this as well.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, Deseret News is reporting the headline, says Senator Curtis
warrens ICE facility and Salt Lake City without local input
is short sighted and counter productive. I don't I can
give you the input they don't want it. There you go.
I don't know if you need like a mile long

(37:13):
group of people leftists from Salt Lake City to say
they don't want it. But I don't know what what
input you would be seeking that you can't just immediately
understand from that city and its leaders. So I don't
know that ICE as a federal agency is going to
sit there and necessarily needs it. But Bet senta Curtis.
We spoke to him on Friday, but he and he

(37:34):
says he supports Mike Lee's Save America Act. He just
doesn't want to pass it unless it has sixty votes,
which we know what that means. But anyway, he says,
as a mayor, he'd been a mayor of a city Provo,
and and so he thinks the zoning issues matter to that.
I say, where would it would? Where would it not matter?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean it's it's a you need the you need
the facility, you need the capacity here in this state.
So and yeah, so there's that very So Santa Curtis
is thinking that this thing's shortsighted counterproductive for ICE to
do it. I don't know what would happen otherwise if
we don't get some kind of facility in the state soon.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Let's go to the phones. Let's see what you think
tonight eight eight eighty five seven O eight zero one.
Zerl on your cell phone to help pound two to
fifty and say hey, Rod or leave us some message
on our talk back line. And we begin with Steve tonight.
Steve is on the freeway tonight, Steve, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg show your thoughts on this.

Speaker 11 (38:27):
Steve doing great, Thanks for taking my call. I think
the facility is a must do we build jails for
the local criminals. We don't have a problem with that. Yeah,
And you know, I don't know why it's such a
big issue when somebody is doing something wrong. If they're
lawmakers and that's what they are signed up to do,

(38:48):
their supposed to represent the citizens of the stage here,
why aren't they concerned about our needs? Just sit up?
Everyone else is that's you know, they want a better life,
so do I. But I want to do it legally,
and I have to. You have to pay taxes, I
have to do everything. They don't have to do anything
but come here and destroy your tearff or steal or
break or whatever.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
They decide to do.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
And then we got lawmakers like Curtis trying.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
To defend them.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
How about defending the people that.

Speaker 11 (39:15):
Elected him because he's he hides behind the Democrat issue
and he says he's a Republican by paper, but he's not.
And I just wish these people that are have these
issues would worry about the citizens that are here that
live here, pay taxes, pay their salaries, and take care
of us first, instead of worrying about everyone else that's

(39:37):
having those problems in Greg, please run for governors.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'll tell Greg he needs to run for governor. Steve,
I want to bring up a point. I want to
bring up a point that you made. What was the
one question that the President asked her in a State
of the Union address this year? What is the role
of the federal government to protect the American people or
to protect illegal aliens? And the Democrats sat on their hands.
So you don't what the Demo Pocrats want. They want
to protect illegal aliens because they see future voters in

(40:05):
those people, and that's why they want to protect them. Steve,
So you bring up a very good question. Back to
the phones where you go. Let's go to Travis in
South Jordan tonight on the Roden Greg Show. Travis, how
are you? Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Hey, I'm great. Fellas a little backstory, years old, hard working,
blue collar, born and raised here in Utah. I don't
lean left and right, never have never will. I don't
look at these issues politically like a lot of people do.
But one thing I can guarantee is that there's many
conservatives here in Utah that don't agree with it too.

(40:37):
And you guys are just leaning towards all it's the
left and this is Democrats are doing this, But what
about just the regular people that are neutral or that
don't claim aside, or a conservative that is red and
Republican that doesn't agree, Because I think that's the fact
of the matter too, because what you have is a
reputation of these facilities throughout the country that's not too positive.

(40:58):
The inhumane stuffing on, there's questionable things going on with
the federal government. So therefore you want to throw that
in our backyard and then act like we can't oppose it,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So, so, so where do you stand, Travis? Where do
you say you're a conservative? By this sounds right? Where
do you stand on this? Are you opposed to it
as well?

Speaker 6 (41:18):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm opposed to it?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
It's a reputation. You're got to look at these facilities.
Are they do they have a strong reputation throughout the country?
Are they Are they doing what they're supposed to be doing.
There's a lot of negative, questionable stuff going on with
the federal government and these facilities, and then we can't
ignore that, right or are we just ignoring that?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
We are not ignoring that. Travis, thank you. Let's go
all right, we want to uh like we're saying, Greg,
we're talking about this detention facility you just heard from Travis.
Travis says they have a bad reputation around the country.
I don't know if if you have heard anything like that, Greg,
do they have a bead.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
You look so so the People's Republica of California, they're
censoring me. I can't hear our good listeners, I can
or any of that going on. So I wasn't able
to hear it. But let me just tell you this
ICE does have at times, it's been frustrating to work
with a federal bureaucracy. And I hear that, But my
two word question would be, then what what? Then? What

(42:14):
if working with ICE is too a problematic? Then what?
We don't have the laws, we don't enforce the laws.
The federal laws don't amount to anything. We don't have
an infrastructure to detain, remove, deport Then what I don't
I don't disagree that that the federal bureaucracy, including ICE,
can be difficult, but I don't know what the alternative

(42:34):
would be other than more lawlessness and more of the
ripple effect where every state is feeling like a border
state right now with your whether it's your public safety,
your schools, your your housing, your jobs, you name it,
it's it impacts us in so many ways negatively that
we cannot ignore it.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, let's go to the phone. Let's go to Aaron
in Smithfield. Aaron, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg show.

Speaker 11 (42:59):
Good good.

Speaker 12 (43:00):
I just want to know why our politicians don't have
to follow the law. I mean, obviously, Utah is a
sanctuary state. And then the other week you were talking
about the bill that Trevis Lee or Trevor Lee was
trying to get through that passed the House to not
take state funds and support illegal aliens, and then the
Senate wouldn't even pick it up and nobody would sponsor it.

(43:22):
And if I compare paraphrase here, what start Adams said
is that the LDS church is a moral and I
forget what the word was he used, charitable organization. So
we're not going to pass laws that actually inhibit the
taking of state funds to give to illegal aliens. So

(43:46):
I think the state is not a it's not a
religious what I want to say, theocracy it's actually a republic,
and it is moral to want to help others, but
it's immoral to take from others to do that.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (44:06):
So you know when I'm in the construction industry and
they say, oh, they drive down wages and whatever, well,
I guess in reality they kind of do. But I
can tell you illegal aliens don't work for any less
than what Utahn's work for. The reason is that the
wage is drawn down so far that the Utah has
to work at the lower wage to even get work.

(44:29):
But the margins are just greater for those developers and
builders and things like that that are paying because obviously
there's nothing cheap in Utah. So you know, when we
look at who wants the illegals in the state, we
need to look at what two thirds of the state
legislature are some sort of builders or developers. You know,

(44:49):
when's it going to be? And let's look at California.
Utah is not ten years away from California when they
brought all the illegals in a third of their populations
leg they give them all health care, they do that.
We're well on that way.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, that's a scary thought. Erin is it ten years?
Greg may not even be that long anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Right, what what ten years?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Ten years that we become another California.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, no, it could be less than that. I tell you,
if you look, I mean I I find it. I
find it worrisome. If we have a we have a
facility here that's long overdue in terms of we have
a capacity problem with our ability or ice ability to
detain and remove people. If if Utah and even our
US senators pushing back on that, the alternative is that

(45:36):
you don't do anything with them, You just release them
into the public. We've had we've had reports that people
have asked to come to Utah because it has a
it's very welcoming. There's NGOs out there ready to help
you out. Uh and people from Denver. Denver has sent
a number of people that otherwise would have been detained
and removed they got they just come here and they
send them on an Amtrak train. You can't just keep

(45:59):
doing it the way we done it up till now.
You have to have everyone should be it should be
good news that there's additional capacity and a and a
and a plan to expedite the removal of people that
should not be here in the first place. So no,
no bad side to any of it. And if we
and if we get to the place like Minnesota is
right now, then yeah we we aren't. We aren't you Tahny.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, and we're in trouble. All right. We've got more
calls coming up, more talkback comments coming up on the
Rotten Gregg Show. Beautiful weather down there. You enjoyed the
pool yesterday? You look a little tank.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, got little a little amateur hour, got a little
two fried, you know, just didn't didn't put enough sunscreen
on it. Guess I like to use a four, you know,
a four, I like, that's what I don't like thirty five,
ninety nine. Well all this SPF big giant numbers. Four.
That's why I like to use four.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I don't use any. Yeah, yeah, I don't use any
so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It'll my my burn turns to anyway, so it'll be
brown here any moment.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
All right, before we go back to we're talking if
you're just doing it in US now, we're talking about
this debate over the Ice detention center here in Salt
Lake City. A lot of people, of course, elected Donald
Trump because he promised to do something about illegal immigration.
He has certainly been successful in the border and now
he is trying to remove people who are here illegally
and sending them back to their home country. But in

(47:24):
this process you need a place to hold them. But
before we go to our calls, Greg, I want to
share with you a story. And as people hear these stories,
this is what frustrates the American people. This is a
story out of Fairfax County, Virginia, suburb of Washington, right
close to Washington. Listen to this story. An adult he
was an adult, nineteen years old Fairfax High School student

(47:46):
has been charged with nine counts of assault and battery
amid accusations that he was groping girls in the halls
during school. There's a group of about twelve individuals that
have reported this assault. One mother told the local television
station it was all perpetuated by a single individual who
is a stranger to the girls. He just sneakly walked

(48:09):
up behind him put his hand between their legs. It
was not just a butt smack or a butt grab.
It was a groping of a private area. It had
been occurring for several months. He's been identified as nineteen
year old Israel Flores Ots who is in this country illegally.
Greg That's what upsets the American people. You can't even

(48:31):
send your kids to school and be in a hallway
without being attacked in this country today.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
That happened at a school, that happened in right, Yeah, yeah,
that's it. That's yeah. I see. So this is where
this what they call it toxic empathy. This is where
you know, the leftists crying and pearl clutching for illegal
people that are here illegally, and all the permission that
we've given society or the leftists are giving for illegal behavior,

(49:00):
it just it accelerates. The lawlessness just grows. It doesn't
stay static. So all this, you know, when you see
a kid he's nineteen, that makes them older than eighteen,
makes him eighteen and nineteen, which makes him an adult.
He's in a school, he's assault he's groping and sexually
assaulting these girls. And it takes months to work that

(49:20):
out for school administrators. Yeah, and I mean, you know,
and all of that has to do it probably well,
he's he's an annoyed he you know, he could be
in illegal we don't want to get we don't alert
the authorities. It could be something else. And this is
where you get. You go down the rabbit hole because
you're not just simply fairly administering the law like Lady

(49:41):
Justice does, blindfolded with the scales. We don't. You can't
dismiss some breaking of the law and say that's fine
while condemning others. It's it's chaos when you do that.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Well, here's here, here's two of the mothers Okay, whose
daughters were groped in this school. They went to the
school district Greg and their response has the mothers described
this abysmal? Abysmal. I think from the very beginning that
high school has attempted to domision what happened to these
girls and sweep it under the rug. No wonder, and.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
They wouldn't be the first all to do this. You
see this playing out all across the country. I was
hoping that we're seeing some common sense kind of settle
in a little bit. Nope, and that we would have
less of this. Not more.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
We've got callers waiting. Let's go to Diane in West Jordan. Diane,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
I'm great, thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
You're welcome.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
I think I think The biggest reason our politicians are
so against the ICE facility is because we're a sanctuary city.
And how's that going to look. It'll slap them all
in the face.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
It would wouldn't it, right, It would wouldn't, Diane.

Speaker 13 (50:49):
Yeah, it would it wouldn't It would like it would
like look so bad on them. And that's the reason
they're against it. But you know what we needed.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
We need it, Yes we do. Yeah, yes we do.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And here here I couldn't agree more and.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
The sheriff said, we need it. I mean, our jails
are becoming crowded, and why because we're being asked to
hold these people when there's really no place to put
them anymore. That's why we need this facility.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
And these leftists, you know what they do. If you
put them in the jail, they'll say, wait a minute,
they're not there, their violations aren't severe enough that they
should be incarcerated to the standard of a jail, and
then they'll sue the jailer. They'll sue the county and
the county jail that does it. That has a chilling
effect on detaining anyone where you're notifying ICE to come
and get them. I mean this look, they can, they

(51:37):
can try to act like this is somehow inhumane for
them to have an ice attention senate facility. It is
tailor made for exactly who they're supposed to be holding.
If you look at pictures of Alligator Alcatraz in Florida,
you know the way the beds were the medical facility.
This wasn't like a jail. It's a place to hold
them where they can escape, but to ultimately adjudicate and

(51:58):
remove at a higher right. And that's that is exactly
what needs to happen. And when you try to fit
that into our normal, uh systems of our you know,
of of our jails, it doesn't work. It just doesn't work.
This is the way to go. And what the what
the lives really hate is that it works. That's what
they hate.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
All right, More coming up, Rod and Greg with you
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can
arrests coming up following our news update. By the way,
at the top of the hour, Greg, this's question that
you and I have debated for quite some time. Why
people shift to the rife as they get older, as
they smarter, Then.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You start picking up the pattern recognitions in life. Pat
recognize the patterns and you start to think, Yeah, that
left the stuff that's for children and big dummies.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Sorry, like like like, we have to earn it, and
we have to pay for it, and we've got to
educate the children. Really, wow, I didn't know that. All right.
We're talking about, you know, the ice detention facility that
they're looking at putting together in the west part of
Salt Lake City and getting your reaction to it. There
are some people opposed to it, others are raising questions

(53:07):
about it, but do support it as well. Here's a
comment on our talk back line. Hey, this is Brent.

Speaker 14 (53:13):
While I agree that we should have a detention center,
it needs to be done properly. For the Constitution, the
federal government does not have the right to simply buy
up land and buildings and other things in the state.
The federalism rule is that the federal government must go
through the legislature to get that approved. And they need

(53:36):
to do that and likely it'll get approved, but we
should do it the proper way.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, Greg, that talkback listener says you should go through
the state to do something like this. You know, federalism
states should be should be aware of this. He said
he supported this, but he said, you know, if you go,
you shouldn't it go through proper channels. Does the state
have a say in there? Really no, It sounded like
citi ers own property.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
No.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
The state has tried to intervene at the Utah Compact
in twenty eleven, said that we'll have our own immigration process. Boy,
we're going to go and team up with just jurisdiction
in Mexico. We're in just It got thrown out. The
federal court said no, No, states don't have any nexus on
federal issues like immigration. That's one of the one of
the issues, the immigration law that the state does not

(54:25):
have any jurisdiction over and so and believe me, ice
is one thing. Bureau of Land. Man, if you want
to know where we don't get spoken, to go to
a county where eighty five percent of their counties federally
owned land, and you'll find out real quick that the
federal government doesn't have to talk to the locals and
seldom ever do on issues on land use which impact

(54:47):
everyday Utah's and so on, on immigration law and an
enforcement of law that it does not require the state to.
It's one of the rare areas where it is a
federal duty that they are supposed to take care of.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Interesting and interesting, all right, third hour The Rod and
Greg Show, coming your way after a news update. Why
people shift to the right as they get older. We'll
explore that coming up here on The Rod and Gregg
Show and Talk Radio one O five nine. You know what, Greg,
we forgot to We should have been mentioning this several times.

(55:22):
Tomorrow Saint Patrick's Day. Do you celebrate Saint Patrick's Day
in a big way?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Sure?

Speaker 12 (55:26):
Do?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I'm just ticked up. I have a lot of I
have a lot of Irish gear I like to wear,
but I didn't bring it with me out here, so
I don't have it. Yeah, No, I like, I'm very
proud of my Irish heritage.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yes, yeah, well tomorrow also yes, but also Caucaus Night
tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Caucus night tomorrow. In fact, I'm I've offered uh for
you to not be with us in the six o'clock
hour of our program so that you can get to
your caucus meeting bright and early, because you will got
you got work to do. Yes, I have. I have
extended my generosity and might care for you that you
get to exercise your civic duty. You got to be there.

(56:05):
You're an opinion leader. Rod.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
You know, well, I was planning on going, but that's
a very nice offer to let me off early. I
can make my meeting.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yes, well, I'll take the whole I'll take the whole
last hour so that you can be there bright and early.
See there, Chippers, so you can they can elect you
the precinct chair, the county delegate, the state delegate. Then
you can't hold all of those offices, you you know,
you just get them all. You get all that, you

(56:35):
get all the positions.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Sure were you excuse me? You forgot about this and
you're in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, you know, I was a public servant. I myself
life expired. It's time for other people to do that part.
I'm here. I'm here as moral support.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah. Hey, I want to follow up on a story
that we talked about the last half hour, Greg about
this high school student. He's nineteen years old, so we
adult who's accused of groping some twelve girls at a
Fairfax High school in the hallways. Right, Well, we've got
a late development on this tonight. The administration, the Trump
administration is now urging local authorities in that county not

(57:14):
to release the nineteen year old illegal immigrant accused of
sexually assaulting multiple teenage girls. Immigration and ICE and Customer
Enforcement customs enforcements requesting that Salvador. That Salvador and illegal
alien Israel Christopher Flores Ortiz remain in custody. Even though

(57:35):
are you ready for this, the Virginia Governor Abigail Spanberger
has ended the state's cooperation with federal immigration authorities. They're
about to let's.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
See and let's see him do that. Let's see about
guy that's assaulting these high school girls. Let's see him.
Let's see him protect the kid, over the over the
girls and let the let the guy loose before the
ICE or border border patrol can get to him. That'd
be unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, beyond brand, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Well, it's span Burger. I mean, she portrayed herself as
a moderate during the campaign, and she has become She's
trying to turn Virginia into the California of the East coast,
and she's doing a pretty good job of it right now.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I mean, I wonder, honestly if Virginians have any buyer's
remorse because she didn't waste any time, did she. I
mean she just got elected in January of this year,
and so she's at ninety days into the job and
couldn't couldn't govern more differently than she campaigned.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Well here's what's Yeah, here's what's so funny about this, Greg,
Everything that that Glenn Youngkin did day one, she signed
executive orders overturning almost everything.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah, how it's sad. I don't understand why Virginia has
that one term. You can only serve as governor for
four years. It's a it's a tough deal. It's hard
to get something done in four years. That if the others,
if the other party wins, they don't just reverse four
years of work. It's pathetic.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah. Well, we've talked about this for quite on and
off again throughout our years together here in the show. Greg,
as to as people age, why do they move to
the right?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I know, you get smarter.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, we would both agree on that. Well, our next
guest on this show wrote about this today is why
people shift to the right as they age. His name
is Brandon Morris. He is a senior editor at Red State. Brandon,
thanks for joining us. All right, what is the answer
to this question, why do people shift to the right
as they age, Brandon.

Speaker 15 (59:33):
Well, I mean a lot of it has to do
with experience. You know, when you're young, you know in
the world is a little bit more simpler, and you
kind of think more in terms of what is and
isn't right based on just you know, your your soul,
your you know, your idea of the experience that you've
had so far. And young people tend to have a

(59:53):
very socialistic experience when they grow up. And I mean
that you know, within the bounds of the family, you
just kind of exist and you get things for nothing.
You pretty much are rewarded for simply existing. You know,
your responsibilities are few, but you know, whatever you do,
you carry them out and you get rewarded for it
with food, praise, whatever. But as you grow older, you

(01:00:15):
start to have to contend with the idea that your
worth is actually based on what you put in, not
just existing. And I think that a lot of people,
you know, first, especially nowadays, you know, you have a
lot of young people who are almost kind of shocked
by this revelation. They think that everything should just be
as you know, it was as they were growing up

(01:00:37):
because that's just the nice thing to do. People should
be rewarded for simply being alive, that they are important
because they exist, and that's just sadly not the way
that it works. As you grow older, you need to
become a contributing member of society, and you kind of
start to learn that by the way that you put

(01:00:58):
in and you expect other people to put in as well.
And when someone doesn't put in and you're carrying the
extra work, you know, you start to learn hard lessons about,
you know, being rewarded for simply existing. So you you
tend to drift right because you know you you expect,
you expect work as work is expected from you, and

(01:01:19):
that's kind of the baseline of things.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I it resonates with me personally. I've seen that story.
I think Winston Churchill says, if you're young and you
don't have a and you're not liberal, you don't have
a heart. If you're older and you don't have any right,
you're left, you don't have a brain. But interesting that.
Andrew Breitbart, the late Andrew Breitbart, he in his biography
of how he became a conservative, he describes Brandon exactly

(01:01:42):
what you did he grew up with leftist or liberal,
didn't really think about politics, but if he did, he
was left of center. It was only when he graduated
from LSU, got a job, started to have responsibility, started
seeing taxes, it began to click with him immediately. So
I think that I think as your pattern recognitions, we
can see. But you said something interesting in your in
your articles that I want to ask about, and it's

(01:02:04):
that unless you have something that that to gain financially
from being radically left, then the right word drift is
almost guaranteed. Isn't that like the Green New Deal stuff
like carbon credits, Is that the government jobs that they
hand out hand over fist as many as they can,
are they trying to get people to uh benefit financially
from being radically left?

Speaker 15 (01:02:25):
Oh sure, I mean, like, I mean, look, you can
strip all that away and not even put anything to
it and just see that they're rewarding people for not
having a job. You know, people get welfare for effectively
just again existing. They have children, and they expect to
be rewarded for just having children. You know, these are
things that encourage people to step away from productivity and

(01:02:48):
and and be rewarded for that. And there are a
lot of people out there, especially nowadays, you know gen
zs and i'd say like younger millennials, they were kind
of brought up in this in this time where you know,
the colleges were teaching them that it you know, capitalism
is evil.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
It just uses people.

Speaker 15 (01:03:08):
You know, it's there needs to be a better system
because it's heartless and it leaves people out to starve,
and it's like no, no, no, not really. Capitalism is
in my honest opinion, one of the best systems ever
created because it works with our species and it kind
of works alongside our ego on a mass civilization level.

(01:03:28):
And by that, I mean, you know, again, let's go
back to the family unit. The family union is very socialistic,
but it's very small and condensed. Whenever you get into
a civilization situation where you have a lot of people
around you, your tribe, the quote unquote tribe that you're
looking after and are socialistic with, begins to compete with

(01:03:49):
other tribes for resources. This has been a time long
tradition of human of the human race. So we needed
a system to help us work alongside each other, each
tribe to work alongside each other toward a common goal
so that we all mutually benefit. And that's where.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
Capitalism came in.

Speaker 15 (01:04:06):
And so capitalism actually and I mean, like you look around,
it's it's it's you know, it's the writings on the wall.
We've created an incredible civilization with capitalism here in the
United States. I mean, we've made technological advancements that would
blow the minds of people just one hundred years ago.
You know, we have fat, poor people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
That's a sign of a good country.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:04:30):
So, I mean exactly, you know, our poorest people have
technology that would make the you know, NASA people, people
at NASA in the nineteen sixties lose their minds.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
So, I mean it just goes to show.

Speaker 15 (01:04:42):
You that capitalism is the great uplifter, whereas socialism is
something that is a little bit more primitive. It's a
little bit more small, and it's just not realistic to
us as a species, especially when you get into situations
where you know, you get a lot of quote unquote
try together in one place, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
It was pointed out several times during these past several months,
during the protests in Minneapolis and kind of around the
country against ice, some people notice that a lot of
the protesters are a bunch of old hippies at least
a bunch of a bunch of old boomers out there
who want to hark it back to the days of
protesting Vietnam. Is there a large percentage of them, do

(01:05:25):
you think, Brandon, who are still hanging on to those
old sixty seventy ideas or have some obviously converted over
to conservatism.

Speaker 15 (01:05:33):
I mean, it's just it's a mixed bag, obviously. But yeah,
there are a lot of people who are just you know,
they haven't been able to let go of the heyday.
You know, they were the people at Woodstock who thought
they really did something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You know, they didn't really.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Accomplish much of anything.

Speaker 15 (01:05:49):
But I mean, you know this is they've kind of
attached their egos to this kind of persona, and they've
had their ego attached that persona for i mean decades now,
so they can't let go of it. They say, ain't
that the only real way to get out there and
change people's minds is to you know, sing songs and
wear T shirts and you know, like walk around and

(01:06:10):
matching handmade outfits. You know, like it's gonna change people's minds.
But I mean like that that that worked on them
back in the day. But this is not that day.
We are decades into the future. Now, this is the
age of the Internet, where if you do something like that,
people are just gonna cringe. They're not gonna, you know,
stick their head out the window with a peace sign

(01:06:30):
and say groovy there, like, that's not how we do
it now. Okay, you got to you gotta leave the
past behind. But these people don't want to. And I
think I think a lot of that Again, it's it's
selfishness of ego. At this point in time, they're not
really out there trying to convince anybody, to be honest
with you, they're pretty much just trying to convince themselves
that they're still relevant and get back pats from their peers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Brandon Morris, he's senior editor at Red State, talking about
why people shift to the right as they age, greg
and can you believe it? I remember people saying, groovy man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Nothing to brag about, Rod, nothing to brag about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
But I tell you what, what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I'm telling you that all your boomers, because my mother
was one to get you guys wind crazy in the sixties,
late sixties, all that but then you chilled out. You
raised a bunch of Generation X guys like me, and
you get acted responsible. Then once you were in the clear,
you got yours, you got your town, you got all
your stuff, you got your stuff. Then you all you
just went crazy again. You went woodstock on us all

(01:07:32):
of a sudden, all the all the norm you guys
were normies at one point. I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
So you're lumping me in with all these protesters who
showed up with these rallies. You're saying, I'm one your generation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
It's it's your generation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
It's you're blaming me for the entire generation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Well, I'm just saying it's you know, it's your generation.
I don't know what to tell you. I'll own the
Generation X. Okay, you own boo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Look what the boomers have done to this great country
of ours.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
It's sad. Yeah, you're right, it's so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah. All right, more coming up Roddick Greg with you
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrested.
We just want to remind you again, tomorrow night is
Caucaus night. So if you'd like to get involved in politics, Greg,
you and I are big supporters of the neighborhood caucus
structure that we have here in this state. It is,
in my opinion, the best way for people to get involved.

(01:08:28):
And it's really a grassroots effort and all it takes
a couple hours of your time and go to those
caucus meetings uh tomorrow night and be active. We've got
midterm elections, a couple of interesting races with all the
changes taking place within the congressional districts, a lot of
interesting races on the state side, greg So it's a
great opportunity to get involved.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Just think about this, folks. You get the more people
that come from your neighborhood that are Republican and the
Democrats they have caucuses to those that are affiliated. I
don't think you have to affiliate as a Democrat to
go to a Demo crack caucus. But you go there,
you got your neighbors, you got your friends there that
are near your neighborhood, and then you elect people from
your neighborhood to go and speak with the candidates directly,

(01:09:11):
ask them questions, make a vote of conscience, and then
that gets to be a bit of a tell for
you because it's not just the mailers and the and
the you know, the yard signs and the commercials. You
get to actually know somebody who's going to ask them
the hard questions and make a vote whether they like
certain candids or not. And what a great way to
have more information in election cycle than your caucus meetings

(01:09:34):
and in your caucus convention cycle high information if you participate.
If you don't, then it doesn't mean anything. Nobody goes,
If nobody goes, if you go, it won't mean it
matter much. But if everybody goes, they go and they
elect their neighbors. The conduit of communication is as designed
it's supposed to be high information well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And the criticism towards the caucus convention system that we
have in this state greg has always been well a
few people to decide they do. If you don't show up,
you need to show up. You need to share your opinions,
not be afraid of what your neighbors think of you.
Just share your opinions and listen to the concerns that
they have in your neighborhoods and deciding to select people

(01:10:16):
who would then represent you at the upcoming state or
county conventions. And it's a good way to get involved
I remember years ago been when oron Hatch was running
and oron Hatch had packed those meetings. He played it right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, he had more that year, there were more caucus
attendees than people who had voted in Republican June primaries
up to that point. It was, it was very impressive.
But I think it was twenty twelve when he did that,
So it was. I do think high participation is important.
And I've been to caucas meetings where I've been some

(01:10:53):
that were attended by as little as ten people. I've
been to caucas meetings that were attended by hundreds in
my in my precinct alone for one hundred, like over
one hundred in my precinct here, And so it was,
it was it's I think it's and I think it's
always a good thing to have happened when when you
when you go and you go to your CAUCAUS meeting

(01:11:14):
and you get involved in that process. If you don't
know where it is, I think you can go to
what is it UH precinctportal dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Just just put on like Google search and put Utah
caucas Nights. There's a bunch of UH links there that
you can sign up. And what makes it easier Greg,
if you go on and I did this over the weekend.
You register to attend, so you don't have to go
through all the you know, the checkpoints and everything. You've registered,
You show your identification, and you're into the Caucasus meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, it's uh, it's yeah, you get involved. It's uh. Look,
there's a lot of countries that you don't get to
be involved. They don't want to hear from you. They
could care less what you think. If if you've got
an open invitation and you get to be a part
of it, take take your chair, I mean, be a
part of it. Uh. Again, there's plenty of countries and
so called leaders, probably despots that want that could care

(01:12:04):
less what you think and don't want you to appear
to anything. They'll tell you what to do. Just take
your orders. In this country and in this state, particularly
with still having the caucuses. Most states had caucuses and conventions.
We're a holdout. We still do. It's I think it's
very important and I think we should take full advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
All right, Well, we're waiting for a verdict in the
Corey Richins trial. They were supposed to announce it at
about six twenty. We're keeping an eye on things and
we'll trying to get that live for you if we
can here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah.
It's talk radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Well, that wasn't a shocker. I'm not surprised. A fast
fast turnaround two on the verdict, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I think that's generally greg an indication of course that
a guilty verdict is coming down. I mean, the defense
and the Corey Richins murder never presented their side of
the story. You heard the prosecution layout really compelling case
for several weeks. Remember this is this a trial that's
been in play for several years now. But they laid

(01:13:02):
out their case over the last several weeks. When they
went to a call, defense, defense did not call the
case at all. They said, we'll leave it into the
hands of the jury. There were closing arguments today from
both the from both the prosecution and defense, and the
verdict came back fairly quickly today in finding Corey Richins

(01:13:24):
guilty on all counts. Now, our news team has been
covering this case for quite some time, including Abby Banella,
and we brought Abby back into the studio so she
could kind of give us a recap on this. It
didn't take them very long today, did it, Abby.

Speaker 10 (01:13:37):
I think it's one of the quickest returns of a
verdict I've seen in a long long time. I was shocked. Yeah,
I thought it was going to be tomorrow morning, I'll
be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Well, and the closing arguments ended at what time today?

Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
Oh, around about four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Issho two and a half hours later they come out
with a guilty verdict.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Right before six o'clock.

Speaker 10 (01:13:57):
I mean it was minutes but seconds before six Because
I was ok, I going gosh, I had no idea
it was coming in that quickly. I think everybody was unprepared.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yeah, yeah, Abby, you've been covering this, highlights of this,
I mean you and Jason, and on top of this
during the trial gun This's been in play for several
years now.

Speaker 10 (01:14:15):
March fourth, twenty twenty two, deputies at the Summit County
Sheriff's Office were called to the camera's home early in
the morning, about three o'clock in the morning ish, to
the couple's home after Corey had called nine one one
and reported that she had found her husband dead in
the bed. As you know, she went she she had

(01:14:35):
maintained that she went to one of her children who
woke up in the middle of the night and she
ended up getting in bed with them and comforting them
falling asleep, and then she went back to her room
to find her husband dead. And then we've seen all
of this coverage. It's been a story that's so high
profile because it had all of these different elements. I

(01:14:56):
mean remarkable. Really, she was nearly eight million dollars in
death at the time with her real estate business, which
essentially was flipping home One of the big ones was
in midway, as she heard, and then she used allegedly
along the way. But now that she's convicted, her housekeeper,
Carmen Lober to go and purchase drugs in draper at

(01:15:17):
a Maverick. Yes, yes, well more than just that. She
went on I think believe three occasions and purchased drugs
for her and of course she had a history also
with drugs, but she hit you know, she reached immunity
on the case if she was going to be honest
during the trial, which clearly they've deemed to be the case.
But she was in drug court at.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
The time, Abby, real quick, and we know you're catching
up and providing some national feeds on this. What was
the most compelling part of this trial.

Speaker 10 (01:15:44):
I think all of it. I mean it was like
an onion. There were so many layers to it. You know,
you just thought, gosh, you know, a fentanyl lace drink
the sandwich on Valentine's I mean that was just like
two and a half weeks prior to the final bid
that Corey to finish her husband, kill him. But it
was Valentine's Day sandwich supposedly his favorite sandwich, and she

(01:16:09):
failed at it. And he knew. Eric knew then because
he made measures to set up a trust to cover
their three children. And it wasn't in Richin's name, and
Richins it was alleged by the prosecution all along had
done this so she could cash in on an insurance
policy because she was at a dead end with nearly
eight million dollars in debt. I mean that was a

(01:16:30):
striking amount of money that she really couldn't surface from.
So it was deemed that that was the motive for murder.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Found guilty today on all five counts, including aggravated murder.
Sentenceding will take place at nine thirty on May thirteenth,
according to the judge. All Right, some final thoughts on
the Rod and Gregg Show coming up right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
On Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine knrs, and
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I am your host, Citizen
Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And I brought our CANi interrupting our regular programming to
bring you the verdict in the Corey Richm's murder trial.
Found guilty today on all five counts. After the jury deliberated,
Greg Gosh, I think about two to three hours, and
they came back with a verdict very very quickly, guilty
of one count of aggravated murder and attempted murder, also

(01:17:19):
of insurance fraud and forgery, all five counts. She will
be sentenced on May thirteenth at nine to thirty am
according to the judge. That may be changed, of course,
but this has been a trial that's been going on
for several months, and as we mentioned Greg earlier, a
surprise in the case in the fact that the defense

(01:17:40):
did not present a defense. They allowed the prosecution present
their case and decided not to present a defense, which
I think surprised a lot of people, Greg, it did?

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I think a defense team only declines to present a
defense for their client and when they think that the
prosecution has failed to make their case, So why help
them or why you know, why do anything if you
think that the prosecution did such a poor job. That's
the only reason I would understand that you wouldn't present

(01:18:14):
a defense. Otherwise what would you have to lose? Well,
they didn't present a defense. They just said no, we
think the prosecution failed to make their case, so we're
just going to go ahead and rest as well. Well.
Not only did the verdict come back guilty on all accounts,
but it came back pretty quick. So that's minimally a
massive miscalculation by Corey Richan's defense team. I'll tell you.

(01:18:38):
I mean what, there was no downside to trying to
explain why she didn't do it, but they didn't want
to do that, And in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
About thirty seconds, Greg, she'll be sentenced on May thirteenth.
Highly unlikely she'll get the death penalty because in most
cases women do not matter effect in all cases, isn't it, Greg,
they do not receive the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think they've even attempted. But you know,
you get the sentencing hearing, and I don't know if
it was even on the table in this case, but
I do know that by by practice, you know, you
get once someone's found guilty, if you have it, they're
gonna they're gonna decide where to uh send them to death.
And women it's hard for juries to send women to death.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
It is well that does it for us tonight, certainly
more on this tomorrow. Head up, shoulders back, man, God
bless you, your family, the great community and country of
ours will be back tomorrow with a brand new edition
of The Rod and gregshild We'll talk to you then.

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