The Rod and Greg Show: The Left Knows It's Losing; Why Do Americans Romanticize Socialism?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have got a jam packed show for you today.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm rod Ark Citizen Greg Hughes. We're not in the studio.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
No, we're on the road today. They let us out.
They let us out. We're out in the wild. Were
the wild. We've got our ankle bracelets on so they
can track us.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yes, you know, they don't let us out of that
station very often. So this is doing. So we've got
a hal at the command center here. We got era
in the studio, you know, convey it from here at
the South Town or what do we call this place now?
The Mountain America.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Mountain America. But we're at the Salt Lake Home Show.
And you would you relate to this. You used to
build the homes, Yes, so you know all about homes.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Right, contractor?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yep? I was.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So I'm telling you, and I'll tell you, ladies and gentlemen.
You come to this this expo, you were going to
find things you didn't even know you wanted until you
get here. You saw these doors on the way in,
and I'm like, if Queen b sees those, we'll have
new doors because those are way better insulated and they're
they're they're the cat's pajamas with doors the way they look. Yeah,
they're great. And that was like a this is I

(01:00):
was getting to our booth. I was I didn't spend
time there. I'm just like, oh, that'd be good.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, our booth worth advanced window products, and I'm looking
at these windows.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Kind of the hub of the universe events.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, Evans Center is the.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Universe, Yeah it is. We This is a great this
is a great spot here. They've got a lot of
people looking at the at the products, and I think, uh,
we're gonna have a great crowd.

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Yeah, we invite you. We've got some hats.

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They're so nice, though, I'm just not going to give
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a listener, they have to they have to say something
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Speaker 2 (01:45):
These are reserved for our loyal listeners, the smartest listening
audience in all the land.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, well look for the advanced window products displayed the
exhibit and uh, that's where we are today, broadcasting line
from now. We've got a lot to get to today.
New video out to day concerning the shooting in Minneapolis
a couple of days ago, even more startling, and I
will get into that, get reaction to that. Greg coming
up a little bit later on in the show or
this hour. I'll talk about the left. Maybe they're starting

(02:14):
the numbers, the numbers Greg on the fourth quarter g
GDP could be around five five percent. Those are great numbers,
great and it's an indication that maybe the left is
starting to realize it's losing. Well, man, it's losing.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Fed right down to five point yep nine I think,
And that's that's a year ago today was a seven
point one four. Tell you what when interest rates not
fed rate, the interest the interest rates for mortgages, When
that that goes down, that is that is always a
great indicator. It's it it It spurs a lot of
different things, so the construction industry, ability to purchase new
but also I just it there's all kinds of interest

(02:55):
rates that track with that interest rate as well. So
a lot of good good signs, good signs out there.
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We'll talk more about socialism a little bit later on,
we'll talk about religion and politics. We're told you should
never mix the two.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
My grandmother had a strict rule, really don't or don't
bring them up in mixed company. They don't even talk
about mixed company and my favorite topics.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yes, religions, sure, sure, so you are you were constricted
and what you wanted to talk about? All right, So
we've got a lot to get to. I want to
start off the show today. You and I. Why used
to be a fan of the NBA. There were I
loved the NBA for a long long time, but they
do stuff like this and it just angers me. You
know my journey why.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm a sports fan.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm yours fan.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
But in Pittsburgh we did not have an NBA team,
so we didn't I didn't really follow it. I think
I wasn't raised on it. I moved to Utah in
nineteen ninety one, and that's the Stockton Malone A second
years oaster, teg, I mean, you name it. I just
I fell in love with the NBA and the jazz immediately.
I mean, and it was a love affair. And I
waited at Smith's ticks, I mean, I wait outside of

(03:57):
Smith all night long till the morning to get in
line for those playoff tickets. All night long. I did
it more than once. I loved it. I don't recognize
the sports. So I had this just like ten years
of absolute love for the NBA and the Jazz, and
then it just started to taper, and today I don't
even recognize that sport.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, remember the excitement in the city when the Jazz
for two years in a row were in the NBA
Championship both years I think taking on Jordan, that was fun.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
When Stockton hit the three points, all that okay, and
now what was that hoston? I went out to the
airport and I was along the line of fans welcoming
and Stockton and Hornisick were in the same car. They
ride there, drove together, they car pulled and they were
pulling out his screen.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It was well, then we have a situation last night
at the NBA the Minnesota Timberwolves, Okay, what are the
NBA franchises held a moment of silence last night for
Renee Nicole Good. Now who is Renee Nicole good She
was the woman who was shot and killed by an
ice officer agent for trying to run them over, and

(05:00):
they held a moment of silence, basically saying, this woman
as a hero. So I guess, Greg, if you attempt
to run over an ICE agent, you're now considered a hero.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
And if you hear that, you say to yourself, well,
did she really try? Was the wheel pointed? One was
a pointed The images that are coming out today that
we've we've seen and I think you can even hear
the audio. We'll prepare the audio for you to hear
on the show. You're getting yet another angle and another
look where there is no doubt that is exactly she
was going right at him and if she hit him,

(05:31):
it didn't matter. If he got out of the way,
it'd be good for him. But she was absolutely going
after him. And I think that this new information will
matter not at all to the Left.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
They don't care.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
They made their they created their narrative minutes after this happened.
And it's not any video, any evidence, anything you see
is immaterial to the narrative that they start pushing minutes
after this occurred, and it's not changing.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I heard someone on our in our own building today say, well,
she was trying to pull away. Yeah, so let's listen
to that audio. It's about forty seven seconds long. What
you're going to hear is this is the the uh,
the phone of the ice officer involved in this shooting,
and he's walking around the car. And listen to what happens.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
And well, we saw our videos last yesterday. There was
bit well you didn't see the videos, but we saw
the videos, and I'm sure the public did. Where you
saw the officer involved where he did have his phone,
he's watching him, he's recording. So now we're in the phone,
we're not seeing him with the phone.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Let's play that.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
He ray.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
I'm not so your.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Thanks, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
We don't change our plates every morning, just so you
know it'll be the same plate when you come talk
to us later.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
That's fine. You have citizen, you want.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
To come at us, You want to come at us,
I say, go get yourself some lunch, big boy.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Go ahead, now the car, get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Did you hear the thud before you heard the fire?
Did you hear the thud before the firing of the shots.
And let me tell him getting hit, Yes, that's him
being hit. And I'll tell you that the way they
are taunting these law enforcement officers. They are getting the
lightest hand any law enforcement officer, whether it's federal, state, county, city,

(07:25):
you name it. Nobody's able to approach law enforcement and
treat them the way these ice officers are being treated
in the United States and the places that they're they're
working right now, the way you just listened to that
back and forth go on, and so they're already they
know they're being watched. They're being very very careful. When
he's firing. You hear the thud when he's getting hit.
Now before you hear shots fired. He is. And this

(07:47):
is the guy that already been dragged once.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
So well, this video has proven five things someone listed
this today. First of all, one of the narratives from
the left is Renee was terrified for her life. Yeah,
if you see that video, does she look terrified to you?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
They're very cocky.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
They're very cocky. The officer was not hit. Well, take
a look at this video. You'll see that Renee didn't
know who the officers were. Really, it's pretty obvious that
they were officers, right. The fourth one that someone brought
up today, she was peacefully trying to leave the scene. Nope, nope,
doesn't look like that.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Asy to get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
She refused, and she wasn't involved in any other ice
related activities. She's been involved in that for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And they bragged they'll be back after lunch. Go get lunch,
big boy. We're here.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
We're here, We aren't going anywhere. So it just puts
in a whole new twist on all of this, and
it just adds to the narrative. One side's gonna believe
she was pulling away. The other side is gonna argue
she was going.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
When I say the other side, I tell you and
I both did it at the same time. We said, look,
we got to see the video. We didn't. We didn't
decide how that rolled out without seeing anything. We wanted
to see the video. I would argue, the other side
doesn't need to see any video. No, they don't. They
have a narrative. They got it right away, and they'll
never veer for me.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
They won't.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
You give them ten more angles and ten more videos,
and there's no way they're going to depart from that.
Minutes after narrative that they had. I know that the
two of us, and I think everybody wanted to see
that video to kind of get our heads around what
actually happened. I don't think that's going on with the others.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
All right, we're gonna talk more about that today. We've
got a lot to get to. It is the Friday
afternoon edition of The Rod and Gregg Show. I was
listening to Sean on the way down Greg and I
heard the polling is starting to show Donald Trump at
about a fifty percent approval rating. Negativity is about forty
four percent right now. That's going to change a lot,
But is the left starting to feel like it's losing?
Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk about that

(09:35):
is Tim O'Brien Communications and Cristi's management consultant. Tim. Great
to have you on the show. You say the left
is starting to feel like it's losing. Explain what you
mean if you would, Tim.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
As he exceeded their expectations. It seems like in a
negative way he has for them. That is, you know,
if you voted for Trump, this is what you voted for.
And he said very clearly on the campaign trail what
he was going to do all throughout twenty twenty four.
And really, even if you go back to his first term,
what he wanted to do and what people tried to

(10:08):
keep him from doing in that first term. So really,
I think what's happened here after one year with him
in office the second time is no matter what the
rhetoric has been or the key messages that the narrative
that they're trying to put into the media, it's starting
to hit them that Donald Trump was not distracted by

(10:29):
the noise in this first year, and what he's been
able to do is push his program, his agunda, keep
his promises. And now they're looking back after one year
and they're thinking they weren't really able to slow him down.
And I think that's probably the key thing. After one year, you.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Know, Tim, I voted for things I didn't even know
I voted for. I didn't know I was voting against
ngngos and this unaccountable billions and billions of dollars that
were just being funneled to private organizations, even funneled through
higher ed. I didn't know I was voting for how
much money that those state institutions of higher learning were receiving,
and Trump saying, well, you're not going to get it anymore.
If you're going to continue the practices that you're doing

(11:07):
with pro Palestinian protests or if it's DEI and so
you've seen some shifts. You even see a paramount CBS
who you have a news director at CBS who looks
like they want to be fair of all things. These
are things that are consistent with who Donald Trump said
he is and who he'd be as president. But I
don't I don't know that I specifically even knew that

(11:29):
we would see some of the reactions we've seen. What
do you think about you highlight the cultural changes, the
cultural norms that are shifting, the organ the non governmental
organizations that have been turned on their ear. How is
that going to play out in the years to come
in terms of what we know and how the funding
has been interrupted.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh, I think that is a million dollar question, and
I think Trump's answering it. I think going back, looking back,
that Trump had four years in exile, as they say,
and I think he used that four years wisely, and
what he knew during those four years was where the
problems were. He looked back at his first term, he

(12:08):
realized where the money was going that shouldn't been gone
to certain places, and he looked at places that he
understood were a big problem, like usaid. He didn't talk
about that on the campaign trail, but once he became president,
it seems like he knew where all the buttons were
that he had to push, and he started taking care
of that. And I think when he cut the funding

(12:29):
to one ng O in particular USA, that solved a
lot of problems for the government for spending for a
lot of people. And I think there's just a lot
where Trump knew where the problems were, where the skeletons were.
He knew where to look under the hood in this
second term, and he didn't waste any time getting to it.

(12:52):
And I think that's really what's going on and what
his legacy is going to be, because after this second term,
the left is going to have if they would regain power,
they would have a lot of work to do just
to get back to where they were when the Biden
was president. And Trump's making sure that he's dis mantling

(13:14):
so much of the of the things that, like you said,
we didn't know what we were voting for when we
voted for Trump, but we didn't know that we trusted him,
And I think now he's proving that He earned that
trust because he was actually going out looking at where
the problems were and he was prepared to solve them
when he got back into office.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And we've had voters in Seattle and in New York
now elect very progressive mayors. Is this going to give
Americans a real chance to see what progressive policies can
do to a community if they haven't already seen it,
And what impact do you think that's going to have
on in the future.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's that's a tough question because you're talking about local
markets versus the nation. Yeah, And on top of that,
when you look at the mid you're not looking at
the nation like you are with the presidential race. You're
looking at individual local races. And I think that's that's
what all the experts are saying about the midterms is
you really can't You can't predict how you know, if

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even if Trump's phone numbers were through the roofs, you
can't predict how that's going to play out in the
midterms because you have local races and you don't know
what the local sentiment's going to be. You have lower turnout,
so that's all going to play and what Trump's agenda
is going to be in this next two years, and
I don't know what these cities like Mandami. You know,

(14:37):
if we can learn anything from the Biden years about socialism,
what happened in New York and from what I understand
in New York, what really happened there was the Native
New Yorkers, the people that grew up in New York,
they did not vote for Mondami, but the new arrivals
did vote for Mondahmi, and that's what made all the difference.

(14:57):
So I think in places where you have a demographic
shift like that, I think that becomes a one off.
But I you know, just my opinion, and I'm not
the political expert. My opinion is if the Republicans this
year can keep the focus on the corruption and the
fraud and all the revelations are going to come out

(15:19):
with that throughout the country, not just the Minnesota, I
think they can win some of those local races, those
congressional races and hold onto the House. But they need
to do that. They can't get distracted by the things
that the Democrats are going to try to do, like
try to demonize ice raids and things like that and

(15:39):
make up news events around you know, Minnesota, a whole
new news events just to keep the news cycle changing
and distracted away from the Somali corruption and fraud scandals
that are happening. So I think that's really the mission
for the Republicans this year, is to keep the focus
on the fraud and all the abuse, because there is

(16:02):
just so much we don't know, but at least we
know that we will know if the FBI doesn't strong.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, Tim the title of your column. After Trump's
first year, the left is starting to realize that it's losing.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
It.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Seems like the left has always had a death grip
on a pop culture, the voices that we all listen
to nationally. You're seeing and I don't know if this
is anecdotal, this will be my question or if this
is a trend. You got a Bill Maher who doesn't
really I don't think he'll ever vote for Trump, but
he's getting tired of just the Trump is bad laziness
of it all. I just heard Coda O'Brien just recently
say we're losing comedians, that they're not being funny anymore

(16:36):
because they're just so angry because all they want to
say is Trump is bad and that's not helping anything.
And Stephen A. Smith, I mean, he'll jump into politics
and he's he is calling out Democrats on some of
the partisanship that he can't stomach. Are those just outliers
or is there a trend happening with some of these
voices that aren't really even Trump supporters.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
No, And I don't think they are Trump supporters even
when they say that. I think I think they realized that.
Like Conan O'Brien, I've seen him say other things that
were very anti Trump when he did talk about politics,
but I think he put his business hat on and
he said, you know, we are comedians and if we're
going to thrive as comedians in a business sense, we

(17:18):
need to be funny. And if you want to make
a point politically, do it in a funny way. You'll
be more powerful. That was his argument. I I and
like to your point, I think that is the culture.
And I think what what these these more I guess
you could say smart entertainers, people like Steven A. Smith
and and other ones. They're the ones who are kind

(17:40):
of catching on. Bill Maher saying we have to we
can't lose mass appeal. We can't we can't thrive if
we only appeal to half the country or less. I
think it's less.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Tim O'Brien, the communications and crisis management consultant contributor at
PJ Media, talking about the media today and the fact
that he feels pull left starting to lose.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
A Pittsburgh guy. You know, if you need to bring
that up, the man's from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you know, more of the Rod and Greg show
coming your way on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine k n R. S. Well, in the last few months,
we've seen a shift taking place in America, in the
in the urban areas of American You've got You've got
Mam Donnie who is now the mayor of New York City.
He's a socialist. You also have who is a Katie Wilson,
another socialist, who is the mayor of Seattle. Uh. What

(18:28):
is going on with socialism in this country? Greg? Is
it because of the way, you know, the younger generation,
what they heard at the university level. Where is this
all coming?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, I think it starts earlier than college. I
think that K through twelve. I think Higher ed has
trained these teachers that are you know, elementary education teachers.
Whatever they've they've just they've they've got them with all
the talking points. And even in their continuing education, they
learned these things even throughout their career, and so they're
prepped as they then go into higher ED and then

(18:58):
higher ED. Is the place where actually socialism and communism
works is in a university of classroom now, not in
real life.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, let's talk more about this. Joining us on our
Newsmager line right now is Patrick Lencioni. He is an author,
creator of The Working Genius. Patrick, you've been writing about this.
Why is it do you think, Patrick, that some Americans
ro meticize about socialism?

Speaker 5 (19:20):
You know, they just don't understand what socialism is. They've
been taught that it's just being nice and sharing. And
I'm all for being nice and sharing. I'm a follower
of Jesus. But if they ever spent time in a
socialist country or worked in a socialist organization, they would
realize that working there is miserable. And so in spite
or in addition to all of the reasons that socialism

(19:43):
isn't good, just working in that environment is not good.
And I talked to I have a guy that works
for me who's from Cuba, and he says people have
no and he's young people have no idea what it's like.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
To work and live in a socialist country.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
And I wish we could take all of our young
people and let them spend two months working in Cuba
so they could come back and realize it isn't what
they think it is.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
This socialism.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, you know, Venezuela's in front of mine right now
with all that's going on, and that is a story
of how a once prosperous and rich nation with much
opportunity has been destroyed and is a socialist you know,
a mess, and people are looking. I think it's the
second highest migration of people out of a country, second
only to Syria. Why doesn't something that is so front

(20:28):
of mine, something that's in the news today, Why isn't
that resonating more with maybe young people.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
I think it's because most media frankly agrees with the
professors who.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Copies kids this stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
And I mean, I really do believe that you're not
like that, but the majority of media still likes. Most
of them don't have practical experience, and they're essentially academic,
and they don't understand that. In addition, to just the statistics,
like they don't think in human terms, like, oh, a
lot of people have left, Well, that's not that big
a deal, and the GDP went down. But when you

(21:05):
know that people are eating out of garbage cans in Venezuela,
and people are losing their work, or if they do
go to work, they're doing nothing. The dignity and loss
of the human spirit that happens in these countries is
very real, and none of these people have experienced that
or really listened to people who have experienced it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Can we I'll go on on a limb here. Can
we put a little bit of the blame on mom
and dad for not teaching their kids the value of
hard work? Is there an avenue to pursue there?

Speaker 5 (21:40):
You know there is, But it's bigger than that, because
it's mom and dad sent their kids to colleges where
they had to get good grades by spouting the what
the professors were saying. And I think, because I don't
think kids when they're younger think this way. It's really
the ones that have gone to colleges and majored in
something ridiculous and they come.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Out believing this crap.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
So yeah, mom and dads do need to teach that. Certainly,
that's part of it. But when they when kids are
online and they're getting this stuff fed to them, and
they're going to college, and they're looking at the media,
and I know, I have four boys. Now, thankfully they
see it better than you know, better than that, but
they were inundated with messages that said socialism is good

(22:27):
and personal responsibility doesn't matter, and you deserve everything for free.
So you're swimming against the current, even if you do
tell them that. So I think it's more about our institutions.
I think people should stop sending their kids to college
that are poisoning them.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know, now, you tell me I'm two kids in
and all this tuition I've been paying, But I have
to tell you my experience mirror is what you just
described with my with my children. Is this something that
maybe kids would grow out of. You don't have a
career yet, you've not accumulated any assets, you don't have
a home, and it seems like when you start paying
property tax, you start paying attention maybe a little closer.

(23:04):
Is this something that youth just naturally gravitate to, but
as you get older you come to your senses.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yes, I actually think so. The problem is the damage
that gets done when those youths elect somebody to run
a city who's going to destroy it. So yeah, eventually
they'll realize. I mean I just talked to a guy
today who said, yeah, for a while in my life,
I voted this way and then I regretted it. The
question is what did that vote do to the society.

(23:33):
So what we need is for these young people to
experience real life a little earlier so they stop electing
people or or advocating for things that they're going to
regret later.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
But we hope it's just not too late.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
How closely do you think the younger generation is going
to be watching what going on in New York and
now in Seattle with really socialistic leaders of those two
great cities. How closely do you think they'll pay attention
what's going on there.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, you know what's interesting. One of the things that's
going on on our society right now, which is pretty unprecedented,
is we have a Balkanization.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
As some people say.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
People are leaving these cities like Seattle and Portland and
New York and moving to other places. So the people
that are left to experience this are the ones that are.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Really committed to it.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
One of the things that I learned about New York
City is do you know the majority of people in
New York City now work for NGOs and other organizations,
not private enterprise. So the people that are really believe
in private enterprise and that you have to work hard
and earn what you get, they're already moving away. It's
the people that I mean, I moved out of California

(24:44):
almost a year ago to this day, the people that
are left there, there's fewer and fewer that are going
to vote to change things. So I think that what
we're experiencing is very different kinds of populations in these
cities been existed even twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know, Mayor Mom Donnie, he spends a nice yarn,
He has a lot to say. He says, there's, you know,
the frigidity of rugged individualism versus the warmth of collectivism.
And that sounds great, I guess to someone who doesn't
know better, especially our young. But he's not even delivering.
In his first days, he's talking about free subway trips
and they just raised the subway fares up to three dollars.

(25:26):
So do you think that he can actually deliver on
the craziness that he keeps talking about there in New
York City.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
So there's absolutely zero chance that he'll be able to deliver.
The question again becomes how much damage can he do
before they realize that? And yeah, you know, there is
hope here. I think we are going to watch what
happens in New York and Seattle and Portland. We've already
seen and realized the lesson is going to be there.
But the people that live in those cities, like Portland's

(25:54):
remains Portland, and they have been bad things going on
in those cities for years and they continue to vote
These people in Seattle has a communist mayor. So maybe
what's going to happen is we're going to have cities
where people get what they deserve. I hate to say that,
and they're gonna find places to live the people that

(26:16):
are a little smarter than that where they're not going
to have to live like that. I hope though, that
what we get is a wake up call and that
when people realize what happens to New York, they'll start
to change the way they vote and live.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
On our newsmaker Lion Patrick LINCIONI he is an author
talking about why American's romanticize about socialism. All Right, more
coming up on The Rod and Greg Show five seven
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up the phones to you. It is thank Rod and
Greg is Friday when we can talk about that new
video which is starting to surface about Minneapolis. A lot

(26:51):
more to come on The Rod and Greg Show and
stay with us. Can twenty twenty six slow down for.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Just a way. I'm ready for the pace.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I love it has been. I mean what just think
this seems like decades ago. It was just last Saturday
we went after Maduro.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I know, can you believe that we're so past that
we held booth? You know, it's history. So yeah, that
was so like what two days ago. I'm like, kakikla, No.
You know what's interesting is that I think they saw
the writing on the wall. Eight hundred political prisoners released
from the Venezuela and jails. They're all they want to
open up uh talks and relationships Venezuela with the United

(27:29):
States after five or six years and to the point
where President Trump said, you know, any further invasion or
involvement that we anticipated we may have to do, we're
not having to do. Yeah, and you know, whether he's
bluffing or whether they were serious, they don't have to
do it because they got Venezuela playing ball finally, And uh,
isn't that What's I mean? Who thought you could just
pluck a dictator out out of his bed and mid

(27:52):
the night, overnight, you know, completely inside of his own
military base, protected by the Chinese supposedly and the Cubans.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
And boom, yeah good, Yeah. Well, Trump said today that
Venezuela and officials are going to come to the White
House meet with him. Wow, So they're gonna sit down
there and have a lout chit chat. Probably they'll go
tomorrow Lago instead of the House.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
They have a metal detector and everything there. You think
they'll be okay, Yeah, I don't know about bringing him over,
but he said, we're gonna sit down, We're gonna talk.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
He says he kind of liked the direction they're going
by there. You know that new president, you know, she's smart.
Maybe I should release this prisoners.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know, I can just do a zoom meeting. At
this point. I don't know that I wouldn't trust him, Yeah,
I would. I wouldn'tvite him over. I just have a
zoom meeting.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, if he keeps on going, there's not going to
be a White House to come to. I mean, you see,
he's knocking down everything. He wants a new White House.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, why not.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean I've been there. I think it's an old dump.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, I wouldn't call it dump. It's old, and I've
been telling you it is aging, and and presidents have
refurbished and rebuilt wings and parts of that over time
American history. Just because you know it hadn't happened in
recent history doesn't mean it hadn't happened. And it hasn't
always happened. It has. So he's a builder by nature.
He knows how to get a good deal.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, so he knows how to get a good I
bet he gets better deals than you.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I bet you he's been here before.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
He probably has. Well, he'd be walking around telling everybody
what he likes and what he does.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I bet you.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I know they probably have advanced window products put in
the White House.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
All we have to do is have him here, and
I'd say, you can't make me Utah windows I need windows, windows, weeds.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Windows, Well, you and I. Over the years, Greg have
expressed frustration with late night talk show ho It's like
Colbert and Kim Kimmel the other night, now had the
t shirt says I kill people Donald Trump something like that.
I mean, it's just not funny anymore. And find there
there are some comedians who's raised questions Bill Maher, you know,
raising questions about now. I want you to hear this

(29:44):
coming from Conan O'Brien. Conan used to do a show,
doesn't do it anymore. But he was being interviewed. I
guess he was at Oxford at some type of symposium
and was asked about comedy today. Listen to what he
had to say about today's comedians.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
Some comics go the route of I'm going to just
say F Trump every all the time, or that's their comedy.
And I think, well, now a little bit, you're being
co opted because you're so angry. You've been lulled. It's
like a siren leading you into the rocks. You've been
lulled into just saying Trump, F Trump, F Trump. Screw

(30:21):
this guy, you know, and I think you've now put
down your best weapon, which is being funny and you've
exchanged it for anger. And that person or any person
like that would say, well, things are too serious now,
I don't need to be funny, and I think, well,
if you're a comedian, you always need to be funny.

(30:42):
You just have to find a way, and you just
have to find a way to channel that anger into
a way. That is because good art will always be
a great weapon, will always be a perfect weapon against power.
But if you're just screaming and you're just angry, you've

(31:04):
lost your best tool in the toolbox.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I tell you what. That is such a great description
of what is going on, because people like Colbert, who
won't be around for much longer, by the way, I
think his show wins in May, and Kimmel and a
lot of other comedians out there, all they can do
Greg is say f Trump, and the audience.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Loves it and they're just they are so angry. And
the other part that Connor O'Brien said is he didn't
he didn't say that you should reserve your comedy, your
criticism through comedic, you know, ways for just against Republicans
and to support democrats. He said against power. So to me,
that says you're an equal opportunity critic. You can find

(31:43):
humor in and mock or find irony in the behavior
of people in power, be it Republicans or Democrats. And
I think that's what you saw from a Johnny Carson
and Jay Leno. I think if you look back, if
you are an equal opportunity guy teases and makes fun
of everybody, kind of can laugh collectively together when it's

(32:05):
only against Trump, and it's only against Republicans and Democrats
are invited on the show, Like there's movie stars and
these politicians that are Democrats. It is just so partisan.
None of it's funny, not any of it. It's just
it's unwatchable.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well two points on that. Carson was asked that years
ago we played this audio before us when he did
a segment with Mike Wallace, and he says, I don't
go there. That's not what the audience is coming to
me for. Then I heard Jimmy Fayla on Fox News
Today was asked about this, think about this, these late
night shows. Most Americans go to bed with these late
night shows. It's the last thing that's on their mind.
You know that they'll watch before they go to sleep

(32:42):
at night. You don't want to hear this constantly. And
that's what you get constantly is people beating up on
Donald Trump. That's not what these late night shows do.
They share a little bit about what the world, what's
going on, make light of it, have a little fun
with it, not be angry, and not quit saying F
Trump and f Trump and f Trump. The American people.
You just now know, I'm not gonna watch it because

(33:02):
he's just gonna rip on the president.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Watchers show it. Their numbers, they've they've destroyed their market
share of people that would end their days watching their
their their their programs. And and again I don't know
where Carson warned about this. He said that you would
you will get a sense of self importance if you
start weighing in on these issues like this, and that
you're more important than you know, than the entertainment that

(33:26):
you're there to provide. And so he even he not
only just said I'm staying out of it, he said,
why there's a there's a danger and an ego attached
to starting to weigh in like you're you matter and
you're important. You're an entertainer and that's what you're meant
to do. With as large of a cross appeal as
you can as you can find, and he Carson had
it right. That's why his ratings were the way they were,

(33:46):
and even Jay Leno and that's why nobody watches it today.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, it was so refreshing to hear Conan O'Brien, yes, say, hey,
you guys, if that's the that's not comedy anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's anger, that's it.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
And that's what they're talking about. So that was that
was interesting to hear today. Al Right, when we come back,
we'll talk about that new video coming out concerning the
shooting there in Minneapolis, involving an ice agent and a
legal observer. We'll get into that. Talk about that new video,
get your reaction to it. Interesting comments in the Wall
Street Journal today about this, and I'll share those with
you because they're trying to present both sides of the argument.

(34:18):
And I heard them in the station today. Someone said
she was trying to pull away. Really, if so, why
she hit the officer?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, wait till you hear the thud. Yeah, before you
hear any shots fire, you'll know that that she wasn't
pulling away, she hit him.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, all right, more coming up on the Rotten Greg
Show as we call it. Thank Roddin.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Is Friday, and see what our people are thinking about
what is going on. A lot of events going on
this week. Let's go to the calls right now, take
our first caller, Greg.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, let's go to Scott in West Valley City. Scott,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I I watched the
videos last night, slowed them down frame at a time.
You know, I don't want to see that officer crucified,
but I think the shooting was problematic. And as I
watched the video, the woman in the car is backing up,

(35:12):
and the officer that shot her was walking from the
back of the car to the front on the passenger side.
And then as she backs up, he walks in front
of the car and towards the car, so that by
the time she stops, he is at the front driver's

(35:33):
side corner. And you know, I grew up in Oklahoma
and we were taught you don't walk behind a horse,
right because you give me get kicked. And he walked.
He put himself in position to be in danger. And
then when she pulls forward, he could have stepped back
a couple of steps and been out of the way,

(35:54):
but instead he drew his gun and shot her. And
then as the car passes beside, he shoots two more times.
When he's not going to be hit by the car anymore.
You know, that's past. And the other thing that happened is,
you know, he killed that woman, but he did not

(36:16):
stop the car. He did not change the past that
the car was falling. So you know, his killing that
woman did nothing in terms of changing the likelihood of
him being hit by that car or not. And I
still think he did a good job.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
So and I hear you and I and there are
so many there were different angles of all of that
all day yesterday. Have you had an opportunity to look
at the new the newest video that we have that
we've seen, it's online now, it's it's the actual camera
that you see him holding up recording as that's gone on.
Have you had a chance to see that at all?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I apologize, I haven't you know working man right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
With you, brother, I I totally get it. This is
this is what that video to me showed that I
don't think the other videos And I've gone slow motion
as well as you have. You hear the thud of
that car hitting him before you ever hear a shot,
meaning he was hit by that car prior to him shooting.
And I think if you watch the split second nature

(37:16):
of it, you can't really take it out of I mean,
he they had the officer coming from the side asking
her to get out of the car. She's not obeying
that order to get out of the car. He's in
the front of it, as you said. But I think
when you see this new video that came out today,
the split second nature of him being hit as and
then him shooting afterwards, I think shows how quick you

(37:37):
have to make a decision like that, and in a
moment where again she's not obeying orders from law enforcement,
which everybody should. I think defense attorneys will tell you
it's the first thing you do, is you obey law enforcement.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, and you know, the videos I watched didn't have
sound loud enough to hear. But I've heard that she
was given contradictory orders, right, She's told to leave and
told to stop, and you know that.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I don't think that. I don't think. I don't think
that's correct.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
If you and you haven't heard of Scott to be
totally fair when you when you watch it today, I
think you might you'll see there isn't a different information given,
but it does. I will tell you it adds additional
and important perspective, the perspective of the officer himself from
his phone that was released today.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, and that and that new video. By the way, Scott,
if you want to look at go to Alpha News.
If you just typed in Alpha News, you would see
that newdio a new video and her wife was telling
her to drive and drive away. So, Scott, we appreciate
your call. I'd like to get other people's reaction because Scott,
Scott's been taking a look at things. He feels the
officer made some mistakes. Now, you and I are not

(38:45):
in law enforcement, but you've talked to a lot of
law enforcement people. You work with the Sheriff Association. I
know some out there. Scott says the officer was wrong,
he made some mistakes. You agree or disagree.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, what I love about the conversation we're having with
our listeners is everybody's thoughtfully watching that and trying to
see genuinely what was right or what was wrong. I
I would say from the left. They immediately have a
narrative that she was wrongfully murdered by Ice and that
Ice now needs to leave Minnesota and every other state
where they're trying to enforce federal laws and that nice,
and they don't. There's no amount of evidence or information

(39:17):
that they are interested in. I think Art, I think
you myself, Scott. We all want to look at it.
We've been looking at it. We're trying to understand what
actually happened. I think there is a large segment of
this of of America that wanted to see for real
what what happened there. There's a lot that don't.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, and there's there's video out there, Greg, and you
can clearly hear the ICE agents telling her to get
the f out of the car.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, get out of the car. And he's told me
all the time, yeah, and then reached inside the car
to get the door.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, let's go back to the phones. We've got
a lot of people wanting to weigh in on this one. Tonight.
Tom is in South Jordan on the Rodding Greg Show. Tom,
how are you? Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 9 (40:00):
Hey guys, Happy Friday and Happy New Year. Appreciate what
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Thank you, thank you your thoughts on this, Tom.

Speaker 9 (40:07):
Yeah, I think the part of the problem is where
I'd say a large part of the problem is the
emotionality that people are injecting into this conversation. The law
states that when there's a deadly shooting, it's the reasonable
standard where you take the position of what was going
through the officer's mind and factually happening during that time,
as well as the victim or the person who is

(40:29):
being shot. So let's turn down the static, let's turn
down the noise in terms of left right, domestic terrorists, whatever.
That's not helpful. Let's just look at the evidence as
well as the training and experience of that officer. But
also you have to contextually bring in the fact that

(40:49):
he was drug one hundred yards a year ago doing
the same type of encounter, so that has to be
weighed in on the officer's mind per the reasonable state.
So let's forego the politics, and at the end of
the day, no one wins. Regardless of if he's acquitted
or not.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
No one wins.

Speaker 9 (41:07):
There was a life lost. This guy's life on paper
is I would venture to say lost. Because his family's exposed.
They know where he lives, he's done employment wise. How
could he recover? Just like how can the wife of
that woman who was shot recover. There's just too many

(41:28):
people losing and no one's going to win.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Boy, very good points, Tom, Thank you, very very very
good points.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, Tom, stng No, Okay, I just want to know.
Do you do you think Rod that the the experience
or him being hit and drug before, compromises his decision
making a year later, or it informs his decision making
a year later. In other words, because he was hit
performing his duty, did did he does that? Does that

(41:55):
undermine how he would react now? Or does it give
him better perspective of how to how to react? Get
informs them, inform in a productive way, in a productive way,
I feel as.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
To what could happen and what people don't realize, well,
people who have been in law forms. He had a
split second to make a decision. Yes, these decisions, you know,
you don't get to well what am I going to
do it? You got to act right away. And if
he felt and if you see the latest video, she
did hit him now she may have hit him to
get out of the way or going right for him.

(42:26):
We don't know, but she did hit him, So what's
his reaction due he's trying to stop her, protect himself
and stop her.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Well, and here's here's the thing too. If you see,
if anybody that watched that video, the whole video, especially today,
where you hear the banter going back to taunting, the
way they're startmaking to them her wife, Yeah, the way
they're talking to the ice officers, go try doing that
to a local law enforcement you'll get see how far

(42:53):
I think the restraint being shown in the patient's being
shown by ice agents right now. They're probably maybe even
being too permissive where it might escalate because they are
putting up with quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's true. All right, We want to get to more
of your phone calls eight eight eight five seven eight
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join us in our discussion today. Of course, new video,
they're they're almost like a video an hour's now starting

(43:23):
to come out with a different angle on what happened
in Minneapolis and the Ice agent and the shooting of
the woman. You know, one side of the story is
she tried to hit him. The other side that I
heard today she's trying to pull away. Split second decisions
are having to be made, and people right now are
just trying to figure out. I liked what borders are.
Tom Homan said, said, I'm not kind of comment. I

(43:45):
want to see the video. I want to wait till
the investigation is done. Then I'll make a comment as
to which way.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
We should go track.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
That's what we need to do, I think, I mean
to us, it appears that he was attacked.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, and so I thought I thought both of the
callers that called on this issue were going to incredibly thoughtful.
One has watched didn't see today's release of a video,
which I think brings added perspective. But as of everything
you saw yesterday, and there was quite a bit of
different angles and things to see. Had concluded that it
was unnecessary for the ice agent to shoot as he had.

(44:16):
The other caller said that we should just take we
got to tone down the noise. We have to just
look at what was in the mind of the officer
in the moment in which they have to make a
decision like that, what would be in the mind as
best as you can ascertain of the driver of the car,
which the car can be a deadly weapon?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Being the Supreme Court has ruled that a vehicle can
be a deadly weapon.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, because it is very deadly. But so I think
that that both the observation. I would be curious to
know how that if its opinion would hold if they
saw today's bad new perspective that's been given. But I
do think if you did what Tom Holman said and
what our caller suggested, turned down the noise, it's not
left versus right because I always, I do, honestly think

(44:59):
that people every day Americans want to know what really happened.
I think leftists had their narrative set immediately. Yes, and
there's no amount of video audio, there's no amount of evidence.
It's going to change their narrative a single word, and
be prepared for that. There's people that are going to
call it something just because it furthers their political agenda.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Well, let me add to that. The mayor of Minneapolis,
who I think is a nut job. His name is
Jacob fry Fray whatever whatever the game. He responded the
video today basically what he said, I'm summarizing here. Couldn't
find the audio. Always hope we do, but I couldn't
find it before we came on the show. But he
was asked about the video day said, Look, the guy
was hitting the hip. You know, he went to the hospital.
He's fine. You know, he was just hitting the hip,

(45:43):
got brushed by in the big deal, So it's no
big deal. That's basically what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, I think it'd be a big deal someone hit
him with a car in the hip. I think he'd
have a different way to describe that. Yeah, I put
yourself in that in that position of that law enforcement officer,
And and what I took from today's video particularly was
how quick that from beginning to how quickly this happened.

(46:08):
And it is to have a second to make a
decision of what's about to happen next. And when you
see it in that context that you watch it, you
hear it, I think it brings more perspective to it,
and I I do. I think that everybody should wait
till we get the final but I am going to
argue against those who already created a narrative that he's
a the Ice is here to murder Minnesota. That is,
that's just an absolutely ridiculous premise.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
With both with who was it the governor there yesterday,
let's tone down the rhetoric. Well, at the same time
calling Christy Norman executioner.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, and saying I've called the National Guard to be
ready to help law enforcement, presumably against the federal law
enforcement agent. So he is, he is ramping it up,
and I just think that I'm not going to let
that go on respond at all.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Right, all right, we want to hear from you. Our
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Speaker 6 (47:12):
Hey, guys.

Speaker 10 (47:13):
My take on it is they had no business being
there to pay the agitators or whatever you want to
call them. They just they had no business being there
at all. And when they started interfering, and then when
they told them to get out of the car, and
then she tried running them over. I don't know that
sounded like three and then three strikes you're out, boom yep.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I think that's exactly right. And and here's the thing again,
going back to yesterday's discussion. She's a paid she's paid
to protest, she's paid to be.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
See you following us, interfering with us.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So you can so you can see. And they're taunting
the Ice. The ICE agents are saying, going to be here,
you know, go to launch big boy, We're still going
to be here. There there's a lot of pravado, there's
a lot of taunting going on. There's already been hostility
towards these ICE agents. And again, all you have to
do is imagine that it would be a different political

(48:15):
issue if people that were demonstrating in an abortion clinic
were behaving this way to law enforcement. If so, let's
say the abortion clinic called for law enforcement because they
felt that the protesters were too aggressive, and these were
pro life right of center protesters. If they if they
spoke to law enforcement the same way, if they blocked
the cars, if they did it, you wouldn't find you

(48:38):
wouldn't find anyone in the regime media finding excuses for it.
You wouldn't find anyone saying that this is acceptable. And
so I just think if you just put yourself in
the place of the law enforcement officer themselves, or tried
to or try to address law enforcement the way these
people are doing, you get a very different reality. You'd
find out very quickly that this isn't gonna it's it's

(49:00):
not legal. You can't act that way.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
We want to get to your phone calls more coming
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on your cell phone dial, pound two fifty.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I just saw in the first play from the line
of scrimmage. UH just threw an interception in Indiana, ran
it back for.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Touchdowns, so nothing eleven seconds.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
He gives me a thousand bucks if the holds wait
a minute.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
It started off as a red bull. How did we
go from the bed of the red bull to one
thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I don't know what you're talking about. I think you
you threw that number out there, and I was brave
enough to take it.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
All right, let's go to the phone, shall we. As
we're talking about what's going on in Minneapolis and getting
your taking him back to the phones, we.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Go Yeah, let's go to David and Willard. David, thank
you for holding and welcome to the Roddy Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (49:43):
Yes, thanks Greg. Hey, you guys know it's illegal to
bed in Utah.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Right, Yes, we were betting, David? Were we betting David?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I think you know Rod loves that you've said that,
because he is welching as we speak, because yeah, you're right,
we that is not something we can do here.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
What are your thoughts? All right?

Speaker 11 (50:00):
Hey, hey, hey listen. Uh, Tim Waltz and that Jacob Fry.
They came out immediately and set the tone, tried to
grab the high ground on this narrative. Remember the hands up,
don't shoot Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri. The Dems came
out immediately. Black Lives Matter started with that narrative. Remember

(50:20):
Obama coming out, coming out with the Trayvon Martin things
that he could have been my son. I mean, the
Democrats are quick to get the narrative going. They grabbed
the high ground, and the truth is fighting from the
low ground. We're fighting from the bottom up. They're not
going to find any anything amiss with this officer. This
obvious that that lady Renee good. She's the ultimate Karen.

(50:42):
She was well, why was she there. She was out
there as an instigator. She was an antagonist. She was
there to cause problems.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It's it's such a great observation, right, but thank you
for your call. It's so true. I mean, she is paid.
She's not even doing it out of a her you know,
the heartstring. She's paid to do. She might agree with
the cause, but she's paid and compensated to do exactly
what she's doing, and that is to get in the
way of to obstruct and to prevent ice federal law
enforcement officials agents from enforcing federal law. That's what she's

(51:13):
there to do. And I don't know how that's a if.
If she's a mother and she has all and people
want to talk about her being a poet, I don't
know why you're putting yourself in that situation, that hostile situation,
not listening to the law enforcement. I mean, I just
it was a it was a recipe for disaster.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Well, the new video that is out today, other than
this video, there's another video out there showing that she
clearly positioned her car. She she pulled ahead to block
the road, So she clearly was a send on blocking
the road, the strategy that they like to use in
these protests. They've been told block the road. Both directions
so we can zero in are discussed with what ICE

(51:50):
is doing. Yeah, that's what that's what she was doing.
And the evidence there of the video that is available
today on that clearly shows that.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Again it is they felt they were in charge. Listen
to the tone of her spouse yep, and and everything
that they were saying to ICE agents and interacting. They
felt that they were in charge of the situation, that
they were in charge of what was supposed to happen next,
not the ICE agents themselves. So I I I again,
as more information comes available, let's let's see it, let's

(52:20):
let's digest it together. But you have the left who
have have their story set and they want nothing to
do with anything that would contradict it. And that's just
the way it is.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
You know, what's you know, what's going to tear the
country apart. And I think this really may happen. I
think federal officials will find the officer would justified and
what are you doing? I worry about what state officials
will do. I worry about what the mayor may do
I worry about what Keith Ellison, the Attorney General, may
do with this federal officer and maybe even file charges
against him. I really believe well that that would really

(52:54):
tear this situation apart even further.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well, there's two things going on. One, prior to this happening,
the state of Minnesota, the Mayor of Minneapolis, they wanted
their law enforcement to have nothing to do with these
federal agents. They said, we're not going to have anything due.
Then when this incident happens, Governor Walls says, why won't
they work with our law enforcementage why you told him
not to? So it doesn't look like it's a friendly
crowd that they'd be working with. But that's one concern

(53:19):
in terms of their bias and how they would want
to frame this in a way that would contradict the truth.
The other issue is the political one. They have been
under incredible including the Attorney General, including Governor Wolves, have
been under incredible scrutiny over the billions and billions of
dollars of fraud. Wouldn't they love put a bow on
it that they could get They could like a you know,
a parlor trick, get everybody's eyes off of where they

(53:42):
have clearly either through incompetence, has allowed the public treasury
to be robbed of billions of dollars or have benefited
themselves from it. If they can take the attention off
of themselves, which the attention was pretty high. It was
hot on them and to the point where Walls said
he wasn't going to run for a third term. If
they can remove that scrutiny and that attention and put

(54:03):
it on ice and come up with this contrived narrative,
they're gonna do everything they can because politically it's their lifeline.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah. So, and in the past few hours, past twenty
four or forty eight hours, how many how much attention
has been paid to the fraud? Very little?

Speaker 3 (54:17):
No at.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
What they wanted. All right, we've got an other hours
that come here on the Running Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Canna rets more coming,
don't stay with us, We'll be back after a new
jump day. Was that game last night unbelievable?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
It was?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
It was an absolutely amazing game last night.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Oh miss they don't have Lane Kiffen as their head coach.
He went over there to LSU and there they still they.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Were game, Clo doing well.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
That fourth quarter was their quarter?

Speaker 12 (54:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Was it a past interference in the ends?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Doesn't matter because you can't stop a whole game of
zero zero on the clock and everything's a past interference.
Now the Reughs have ruined past interference. They're always grabbing.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I think there are two calls in the in football today,
uh past interference and the other one is targeting.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, that it should be spearing. If it's not, the
targeting I think is crazy. By the way, Oregon just
scored tight it up. So maybe that bet was actually
just a I don't know, a red fish.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I think it was like, no, we have a bet
on that.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I think Swedish fish fish Ikwedish fish.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeah, that was talking about just one. All right. We
are on the road today broadcasting live from the Salt
Lake Home Expo here at the Mountain America Expost Center
in uh In said he had a lot of nice
people come by and say hi today. It's always nice
to chat. They're great listens, they're good folks. And someone
providing us with some background as to what happened in Minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, you know, you can run into people that have
an experience with law enforcement, having a career in law enforcement,
people that train people with firearms, and there are the
seconds of which you can the mind, the brain can
make a decision and respond is probably a lot quicker.
And that then people would realize, especially when you slow
videos down and you think that all there, Look how
much time they're swimming in to make a decision. These

(56:06):
are things that are decided in seconds than a second.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
One person that just came by, he shared something I realized,
you know, I was telling you earlier today in our
own building. There was a debate over what happened, and
one of the guys who says the officer was wrong,
said she was pulling away. Well, this gentleman just shared
with us he didn't know she was pulling away. You
can't see your tires from the position he's in in
front of that car at them. Yeah, he saw a
car coming at him. So what's the officer to do?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah? I think I think that the more as more
information is it comes out. If your fair objective, this
story will tell itself, and it's one that it doesn't
match what that lunatic mayor of Minneapolis said right away
and what Governor Walla has been saying that that narrative
is just a political narrative that serves them well. But
isn't I don't think resembles a trick.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Why do politicians fall into that trap where you come
right out you may and we've had to hear our
own governor has done something similar to this at the times.
Why do they feel they have to jump right out
and say something instead of just coming out? And I
think this was jess a guitar Lo lof of all
people on the five said yesterday, just come out and
make a statement. Tragic situation. We're going to investigate and

(57:14):
find out what's going on. We asked the community to
remain calm while we investigate. Neither Walls or Fry did.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
That, you know?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
And I and again I think we are all willing
to I think everyday Americans are. But what I won't
stay silent and wait for the truth to come out
is if they're going to just fill the vacuum of
information with lies, we're going to challenge that. We're going
to say wait, and we should have got to slow
down and see what we're what we're seeing and and
and at least reserve Uh, you're a decision until you

(57:44):
get more information. But anyway, I think that they'll never
change from that narrative. They need that narrative to get
the attention off the billions of dollars of unprecedented fraud
in theft that this occurred, and they don't want to
They don't want that splashing on them any longer.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
They don't. All right, let's change gears. Let's talk about
twenty twenty six. Midterm elections are coming up. I've seen
a lot of articles of late great saying that things
looking a little bit brighter for the GOP in the
midterms because of how the economy is starting to shape up.
That's going to be a key issue in there. But
let's go back to twenty twenty four. There's interesting study
out there took a look at the role of religion

(58:19):
and politics in the last election. It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It is if I've been joking and calling the Democrats
a bunch of heathens.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Turns out they are.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
They might there might be some polling, some data that
was just showing such a precise well.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Joining us on our newsmaker line now we appreciate him
holding for a minute, is Ryan Burge. He's a professor
of practice at the Center on Religion and Politics at
Washington University. Ryan, thanks for joining us. You've taken a
look at the numbers. What did the twenty twenty four
election tell us about religion and politics?

Speaker 7 (58:51):
Well, the biggest story in American religion and politics is
what we call the God gap. It's the idea that
the Republican Party is the party of religious people, specifically
white Christianity, and the Democratic Party has basically become the
party of non religious people, but also the party of
non Christian people Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and then the

(59:13):
party of sort of non white Christian groups, So you know,
Black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics, and people like that.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
So what does it say. I mean, I've hear there's
statistics that this youngest generation looks like they're becoming gravitating
more to faith and to religion. At the same time
you're seeing that God gap exist between the parties. What's
that say about the Democrat Party in its future?

Speaker 7 (59:35):
Well, Democratic Party, I always say it has a great
coalition for about twenty forty or twenty fifty when the
nuns are a larger share of the population than they
are right now. You know, being forty five percent of
Harris voters are good, but there's not enough of them
to overwhelm the number of Americans who are Christians. You know,
sixty three percent of Americans are Christians. That number is

(59:56):
going to stay pretty relatively high for the next ten
or fifteen years. So it's sort of the Democratic parties
is not there yet. It doesn't have the numbers it
needs to actually win national elections. The problem with the
Republican Party is the shriff Americans who are Christians is
going to decline. The shriff of Americans who are white
is going to decline, so their base sort of eroding
very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Right now, Ran, has this trend been going on for
quite some time? Have you looked in the past and
what do you know? Is this trend just a continuation
of what we've seen in past elections.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
Yeah, so it's just the gaps are getting bigger between
the two parties when it comes to religion. We can
actually look back in the past and we really saw
the Nuns begin to rise in nineteen ninety one, and
they were rising specifically among left of center people people
identify as politically liberal vote for Democrats. It used to
be the Democrats and Republicans had based at the same

(01:00:47):
level of religiosity. And now you know, for instance, twenty
three percent of Democrats don't believe in God or have
an agnostic view of God. It's only four percent of Republicans,
So a nineteen point gap. In nineteen eighty eight, that
gap was just one point. And you can see those
gaps on religious attendant and religious affiliation as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So that trajectory you just described is what I have
seen every single day from maybe the eighty eight and
up till twenty twenty five. But what I maybe this
is anecdotal. This is why I want to ask you.
You've looked at these numbers more deeply. You've seen the
cross tabs. What I saw in twenty twenty five was
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I saw a funeral or
memorial rather where you saw cabinet members evoking their faith

(01:01:29):
and Jesus Christ. Your seeing even athletes in these interviews
you're seeing maybe I remember in twenty twelve when Tim
Tebow would mention God, they people rolled their eyes. There
was such cynicism attacked. I don't know that you can
find an interview where athletes aren't praising, you know, are
their savior and really placing their faith in God. So

(01:01:50):
am I just seeing just clips of something that's not
really there? Or is there a faith revival going on
in the United States?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I mean, are there?

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
But the math is not. Unfortunately, the data says that
the shriff of Americans are a Christians today is the
same as it was five years ago. Now, the nuns
have stopped rising in the last five years, around thirty
percent of Americans. But if you look at the data
on Generation Z, there's absolutely no empirical evidence to make
the claim that Generation Z is more religious than millennials

(01:02:21):
or boomers or anyone else. Actually, on almost every metric
they're significantly less religious than their parents or grandparents. For instance,
only forty percent of them believe and die without a doubt.
About forty percent of them never attend religious services. And
there's really no evidence we've seen at all. And I
have data that goes back to June of last year
there was no change in religion. Now that was before

(01:02:42):
the Kirk assassination. But I will say this, I've looked
at public opinion there for fifty years. You know, even
after nine to eleven, there was a short burst of
religiosity that by early two thousand and two had completely
returned to the baseline before nine to eleven even happened.
So to say that the Kirk assassination would lead to

(01:03:03):
a massive religious revival is saying it's more important in
American history than nine to eleven. And I just don't
I don't think that claims empirically true.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well, well, how do the parties deal with this? Looking
at these numbers? These parties are looking down the road,
how do they deal with this? Or what is their strategy?
Do you think what is it going to be?

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
Ryan, any guests, I think that the Republican Party is
going to have to try to embrace some non religious
people who have more conservative values, and they do exist
out there. You know, there's even a movement among atheists
now to say there's only two genders. Richard Dawkins said
that famous a podcast last year. So they're going to
have to try to bring in some of these secular voters.

(01:03:40):
And I think the Democratic parties just got to do
a better job of reaching out to religious voters. It
seems like they talk more about Islam than they talk
about Christianity. Actually analyze the tweets of candidates, and they
do that. They talk about Isla more than Christianity, even
though America, for every one Muslim America, there are sixty
three Christians. So you know, I think both parties have
to recalibrate and under stand differently what the future of

(01:04:01):
American religion looks like and try to open their base
up without losing who they currently have, which is obviously
a hard thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Ryan, final question for you. You mentioned you've got a new
book coming out. What is it all about? Can you
give us a sneak peak?

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Ryan, Yeah, it comes out in about a week. It's
called The Vanishing Church, child of the following out of
moderate Congregations, hurch Democracy, faith in US.

Speaker 9 (01:04:23):
And I basically make this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Argument that in America, white religion, white Christianity, has become
overwhelmingly conservative, which means that a lot of people don't
know anyone who are politically different than them. In atheist
or agnostics who are incredibly liberal, and they surround themselves
with incredibly liberal people. But we don't have these sort
of third spaces where we sit next to people who
are different than us and see them as human beings

(01:04:45):
that understand their thoughts and fears it's actually going to
make it harder as a country for us to govern
ourselves and compromise and build community and move forward. So
actually kind of make an argument for a return to
churches that are more politically diverse, economically diverse, age diverse,
and uh, I think I'd be good for America.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Ryan Birds He is a professor of practice at Washington
University in Saint Louis, joining us on our Newsmaker line
talking about religion and politics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
At home, sitting on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
No, no, he was now the Fiesta Bowl last night,
watching that game with Old Miss and Miami. You got
up here quick last night, I did.

Speaker 13 (01:05:19):
I came just for this, right, I came, no hangover
anything from that game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I lost a.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Little money, but hey, we want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Well, tell you were What was that atmosphere like down there?

Speaker 13 (01:05:32):
It was right, yeah, being I mean, obviously Mississippi and
Florida are far away from Arizona.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
But it was so cool to see who showed up.

Speaker 13 (01:05:41):
And I think there were a lot more old Miss
fans there than there were Miami fans. Honestly, it was intense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Wow, So I've been to an Old Miss game and
B why you went there? And even after B why
you wanted that game? They were just super nice. But
I noticed that grown men that are they're Old Miss fans.
They wear they wear a golf shirt and I say,
Ole Miss, but they're wearing a collar. They're not wearing
T shirts because they're not children. They're like they dressed
like grum it. What was it? I mean what?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I described the Old Miss audience and fan for.

Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
Exactly you think the fraternity brothers, right, it's kind of
the vibe you get. And they got cowboy boots on. Right,
they're from Mississippi, and they're classy, they're polite, right. I
actually I got on the plane to go there and
I had overnighted an Old misshat because that's what I
was going to cheer for.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Right, I'm a super fan.

Speaker 13 (01:06:27):
And uh, I get on the airplane and there's this
classy lady sitting first class right there on the front.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I'm walking in and she goes.

Speaker 13 (01:06:34):
Hot Toddy, right, And I didn't hear her first, I said, excuse,
I said, what was that?

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
She goes hot Toddy?

Speaker 13 (01:06:41):
And then man, you get you know, they all start
there's a Miami fan sitting here, the old Miss fan
right across the room.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
They're bantering. He's like, oh, I got it. What a
fun environment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
That's fun. Yeah, Now do you want to describe the
fan Yeah, they're going there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Uh, I think the opposite of Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
That's just you know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
But hey, they took the w so they won.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it was what a game to see.

Speaker 13 (01:07:04):
Oh yeah, it was so fun. We were we were
It was an exciting time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, well, very fun. Thanks for sharing that. What a
ride that would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
That would be fun to be about. The college playoffs
were finally getting a real national champion. Those are two
teams that would have never made a national championship.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
That play makes it funy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
That's a ten and a six ranked team.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I've got to ask you at the end of the game,
where all the Old Miss fans complaining about that non
pass interference call.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
I didn't hear much of that, really, I mean maybe
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
You got to see his phone where he sat. He
sat like I think he was on the field. Actually,
I don't know what's going on with you guys, but
you were like on the field sideline passes or something.
So I saw a pretty good really little too. I
don't know that I update our listeners, but Indiana has
taken a fourteen to seven lead. I don't know if
they're now the second quarter, second quarter, second quarter.

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
Sorry, Utah guy Jackson Dart down there, Ye he was,
He was down there at the game, old miss Brad.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Yeah, and he's from Roy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Played at Corner Canyon Corner.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Can Yeah, my hometown.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Thanks for what is experience on must Yeah, it was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
That must be a lot of fun. All right, More
coming up it is the Rod and Greg Show right
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Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
There's bowl games, but then there's this new college playoff
system that I think has added a whole new element
to it. It's exciting to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
And one thing we're forgetting NFL playoffs start tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
They do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Your Deelers play on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
They play on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Are you'll be focused on the show?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Warn you right now, I'm gonna be in my gear.
I'm gonna have my jersey on. I'm gonna be have
my terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
You're coming into this sudio I had because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
The game starts while I'm still here. Yes. Wow, there's
a little melee is going on in the field right now.
That just distracted me. I better turn this off. I'm
watching the too much. I got a job to do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, we do have a job to this. Let's talk
about what going on in Venezuela. Donald Trump today met
with the oil executive, saying we're going to you know
two things, he says. First of all, we're going to
help them rebuild the infrastructure because Maduro has let it,
you know, go to pot since he took over. And secondarily,
someone asked him, I think that's a good question, or
is the US going to provide some sort of security

(01:09:35):
for these construction workers, these oil industry workers who are
trying to bring that industry back with a reconstruction of
the infrastructure, and the President says, yes, they will, We'll
provide them the security they need.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, so it'll be it'll be interesting. I mean, we
spoke with Senator Lee last week serving a warrant going
in to get Maduro, who hadn't had been indicted since
I twenty. I don't know how long it'd been five years,
six years there. He argued that there is absolutely constitutional.
How the military would stay present in that country remain
to be seen, and Senator Lee toils last week we

(01:10:08):
had to see what would happen next. The President indicated
there's no second invasion as they thought it might be
if they weren't able to see progress made and peace restored.
So you're seeing them cooperate. How these companies that are
going in to help restore their oil exploration and refining
on all that, it remains to be seen. But folks,

(01:10:29):
here's the thing I know for fact that we have
a member of our state legislature who has a certificate
still he's an engineer. He built a power plant and
it was compowelled the Secretary of State that gave him
the full authority of the United States to act for
and on behalf of the United States in that country
where they were building a power plant for that country.

(01:10:49):
We get involved in our hemisphere, in the in the
in the development and the prosperity of those countries. We
partner with them because their strength is our strength. When
we're in the same hemisphere, we should be partners that way,
and so that there's nothing outside the norms. If you're
if you're talking about those things, if you look at
how the United States has worked with its partners in

(01:11:10):
our in our hemisphere in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Yeah, well join it. Let's talk about we have the
Monroe doctrine. Well, typical, typical fashion. Trump now calls it
the Donroe doctrin. Yes, which was really you know, he
just has but it drives people nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
But he's introduced it again. People are ignoring it. It's
the doctor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
On our Newsmaker line is Juri Perez, Uria's director of
Latin American Studies that the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. Juri,
thank you very much. You talk about the Donroe doctrine.
How important is it that Donald Trump is moving in
that direction.

Speaker 12 (01:11:44):
Through different administrations, tating with Bush, Obama, Trum buy them
and now Trump all, all these presidents except Trump didn't
have the chorus to take serious action to stop these
communist influenced in the Western hemisphere. So finally, we are

(01:12:07):
very glad to see the grub administration took this matter
seriously and in the last couple of months they have
been building the capacity the military assets around the Venezuela
and finally we saw them taking serious actions by going
there and arresting Nicolas Maduro, which by the way, he's

(01:12:33):
not the legitimate president. Not even the Buyern administration recognizing
a source Trouma administration during the first administration put a
bounty on Maduro because road trafficking. President Biden actually increased
that that boundy. So it is bipartisan agreement that that

(01:12:58):
Malua was not a legitimate president and this action hopefully
start a peaceful transition to democracy in Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
You're here's here's my question. I I I was aware
of the narco terrorism, the fentanyl they were bringing in,
the efforts to prevent that, the even the embargo where
oil was supposed to be sanctioned and not being as
sent out, but it was it was getting out there
till they put the blockade there. But what's happened in
Venezuela has since the since this President Trump took action,

(01:13:31):
has been described more like a proxy war. It's been
described as countries like China and Cuba and Russia and
Iran really occupying Venezuela, really pursuing their political ends and
really combining as enemies of the United States in that
particular country. That the severity of that is news to me.
And so my question to you is is it true?

(01:13:53):
Was it a proxy war? Were they using Venezuela as
their staging ground to threaten the United States the countries
I just mentioned, or is that is that overstating.

Speaker 12 (01:14:01):
It totally that that was the case. I'm glad this
action brought attention to this issue because, as you as
in your case, most people were not aware that all
these communist regimes were taken over Venezuela. But it's not
a recent development. It has been in the works for

(01:14:25):
more than two decades. So let me give you an
example that is a clear evidence of the of the
Qan interference. Most of the Paratorian you know that the bodyguards,
the people in charge of Maluo security were Cuban mercenaries,
and there are reports that also there were Russian mercenaries,

(01:14:45):
but at least it is confirmed that more than thirty
Cuban military personnel die during the Strake, and there are
probably the number change over over the years. But since
we are to power, there are always between ten and
Ferry House and Cuban military intelligence personnel in Venezuela. That so,

(01:15:13):
for to give a clear idea of of of the situation,
the Venezuela military could not fight back because they were
sort of colonized, penetrated by Cuban and Russian intelligence. And

(01:15:34):
that's a situation that you would see with many high
level military generals that have deserted from from Venezuela or
or or that has been involved in the drug trafficking
but are now on their US custody that they would
say when they shared the information and what is public

(01:15:56):
is that, okay, we we pretty much have to do
what the qu Runs and the Russians wanted. And so basically,
like people now and and this is shucking to me
that some people on the left are like, oh, imperialism
in the United States is in beailing Venezuela. And well,

(01:16:18):
while you guys are, we're not demonstrating when quebe took
over Venezuela, so it has been colonized for two decades
and now actually it's liberation. And you will see that
people demonstrating on the streets in favor of Maduro, they
do nothing about the country, and all the people demonstrating

(01:16:41):
against Maduro are Venezuela and the software delphageme that more
than eight million Venezuela has h going into exile is
the biggest human humanitarian catastrophe in the Western hemisphere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
You're let me ask you this question. Now that Maduro
and his wife are behind bars, changes are taking place
in Venezuela. What do you see the role of the
United States play? What kind of role would you like
them to play in Venezuela. Should they just kind of
get out and keep an eye on things, get out
and let the Venezuelan people decide how they're going to

(01:17:18):
run their country and what their country is going to be?
What role should the US play?

Speaker 12 (01:17:23):
I think the United States has to be deeply involved,
and I know that because I share that feeling against
for intervention and the game change and forever wars. I
don't think this is the case. The Venezuelan people are
are happy and they are claiming they the man US intervention,

(01:17:47):
it's mother like iraqis or Afghans a Probabian one US troops.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
There.

Speaker 12 (01:17:54):
At least the United States should keep control of the oil.
And this is a very practical analysis because you know,
ethically it sounds bad like, oh, we are taking the oil.
The reality is that if the United States is not
involved in the oil business in Venezuela, these old malign actors,

(01:18:17):
socialist communists China and Cuba, they will take control the situation.
And you know, it's uh, there is no spare alternative
for Venezuela and the self can do it because they
were disarmed by by the Chaveist and Maluru regime. So
you pretty much have a gang, a creaming organization that

(01:18:39):
is grown in that country, and the population that cannot
take control of the concerts, they cannot defend themselves. So
the oil reserves are so valuable for for the strategic
reasons for for China, for Russia, for Iran, for Cuba,
that they won't let Venezuela take it back peacefully. So

(01:19:04):
the United States has to stay to step in. And
I'm glad that finally President Trump decided to start the process.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
On our newsmaker line. Juri Perez, director of Latin American
Studies at the Victims of Communists Memorial Foundation. All right,
more coming up on the rudd In Great Show final,
a few minutes of the show on this Friday. A
lot going on, mister Hughes keeping us up to day
on that ballgame and wow, wow, good game. You know,
another week of excellence in broadcasting. They're going to send

(01:19:35):
it to the Broadcasting Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
That's right, that's just kind of how we roll.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah, it is, it is. If Rush could do it,
we could do it. That's right, Rush, Rush, I love
all right. Remember the story this week about this what
was it a Hampton Inn in Minneapolis who said we're
not allowed, We're not going to provide room for anybody
associated with ice. It was a hilt Well Hampton in

(01:20:00):
which is owned by.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
She's the Hilton property, which, yeah, and then they had
emails that they bragged about it, so they put it
an email and then that those emails made its way
to social media.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah. Well, apparently corporate did not like that idea. They
did not and notified the franchise e. He is no
longer a franchise e of the Hampton Inn slash Hilton's.
Yesterday they brought in a big crane. They didn't wait
very long now and remove the sign.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It's one thing when you get the paperwork right to
say you know what, you're not with us anymore, but
have the crane pulling the sign off. Yeah, within twenty
four hours. They really really didn't want them to be
a Hilton property.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Well there is a different twist now. Another issue for
Hilton today with this happened in Dallas, where an anti
ICE post on social media, posted apparently by what some
people thought was a worker at the Hilton Hotel anatole
there in Dallas, very nice place by the way, led
to immediate consequence. A woman saying her name Gia or
Gia recorded herself walking through the hotel warning people about

(01:21:01):
the presence of ICE agents at the Texas location. She said,
I care more about your families about unity, So warn
your family. If you are someone you know who works
here is worried immigration is here. Look out. Now's a
social media post, right. So apparently Hilton again got warded
this and but they come to find out she's not

(01:21:23):
an employee of the hotel, So what do they do.
I mean, he's just walks them through and it appears
she's an employee, but she really isn't. But it's all
over social media.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So here's a problem with these Karens that are just
getting involved the way they are what they are, that
there's childless women who treat illegal immigrants like their pet
cat and they want to love them like their cat.
They just and it's condescending, it's not real. But because
they didn't raise any children of their own and they
have no lives, they run around and try to take
care of them. They think they're being motherly to these

(01:21:53):
illegal immigrants, and they're just getting they're just causing chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Yeah, another thing I want. You were telling me you
ran into some unbelievable gas prices the other night.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Yes, two less than two ninety nine for premium.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
See and I had two seventy two for premium the
other day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yes, but you went to Costco that's a membership. Yeah,
I'm talking off the street for premium.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah. Remember remember years ago when Biden said five dollars
gas was inevitable.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah for him because he wanted everyone to you know,
go to electricity then run out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yeah, that's what he wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah, the gasoline prices are coming down. The President met
with the big oil executives at the White House today.
They're talking about benzoil and oil which from what I've read,
is not great oil.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
It's dark. They say, it's a dark cruid. It's not
a light heavy, it's a blend. It's it's what they
use as a blend. Yeah. You, so you take the
light crude and you can use the dark. But it
is it has a value. And Venezuela is is you know,
it is rich in oil. It's also an incredible resource
for rare minerals. And that's again something that has now

(01:23:00):
come on the scene as one of being one of
the most important things we can extract and process is.

Speaker 9 (01:23:06):
On our'n be interesting to walk.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
All right, That does it for us tonight, As we
say each and every night, head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family and this great country
of ours. A lot of football this weekend, everybody, enjoy it.
You'll have a good weekend.

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