The Rod and Greg Show: "Trans Kids" Trend is Dying; Importance of Midterms for Republicans

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm brought our kit.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm going to warn you this guaranteed human citizen Hughes
is on tilt. I am so angry today and I
we're going to get into it, but I just think
what the Senate Republicans did at three am this morning
with five votes, somehow they could actually get something done
when that the Senate rules, as I've been told, this
is this very you know, this impossible, sixty votes for culture,

(00:23):
which allows you to vote on something which would then
require fifty votes plus one. How on earth did at
three am five voice votes, anonymous voice votes get anything
done that they could all scramble out of town for
their sixteen day holiday. And now with the House Republicans
saying rightfully, so this is garbage, now the regime media

(00:43):
gets to say, look, the GOP lawmakers are fighting with
each other and now we can't open up DHS. It's
all the Republican's fault.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well, early this morning, we all woke up to this
news that a deal has been reached to avoid a
government shutdown. Okay, we start digging into it and we realized,
wait a minute, what on earth did the Now you know,
the initial analysis was that the Democrats got nothing they
get that was the initial analysis that we're getting. They

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didn't get all the changes they want. Well, the more
we find out about it, and then the House starts
digging into this, they go, wait a minute. So one
thing I think is just totally wrong on this disagreement
and the government shutdown is the Republican controlled Let me
say that again. Republican controlled US Senate put the Republican

(01:34):
controlled US House in a very difficult position because now
the legacy media is going to blame House Republicans for
keeping this shut down alive. That's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Calling it a difficult a difficult position or situation is
putting it lightly. So let's just go right now. I mean,
the New York Times didn't waste any time. A feud
among Republican law lakers dims the chances for a quick
end to the Department of Homeland Security shutdown. See now
it's all the Republicans' fault, this leader's throne and whatever

(02:07):
it is. And I am waiting for someone to tell
me how five votes at three am and an anonymous
voice vote amounted to anything, Because if this is the case, boy,
why haven't we been using this more often. What's the
sixty votes mean? What does any of them mean? If
you can go at three am, have five people show
up and do something and then scramble out of town.
But for the Republicans to do this and to deet

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to not fund anything with the ICE. We had a
great caller, a listener who called in and said, look,
when we say that ICE has been funded till twenty
twenty nine, these are salaries, there's the there's the operations,
there's a travel There's so much involved that the Democrats
are trying to keep from being funded in DHS and
specifically ICE. That is all down the drain with what

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the Republicans did in the Senate, and I am first,
I think it's broken rule. I just thought, I need
someone to explain to me how five votes get you anything.
And I wouldn't even think you'd get out of a
committee with five votes. I don't understand how that process worked.
I don't understand that. And then to have that smoking,
steaming garbage deal thrown over there to the House Republicans

(03:18):
who knew nothing about it and can't even get pat
past page two without losing their minds with how bad
it is I'm just I'm on tilt.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, if you're just joining us out. We're talking about
this deal that was apparently hammered out, so to speak,
by the Republicans and the Democrats in the Senate to
reopen the government to get the funding that is needed.
The Democrats, by the way, didn't get anything out of this.
But did they We'll talk about that. But it went
over the House. Mike Johnson, I've never seen Mike Johnson

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as animated today as he was greg. He is fuming
because he knew it. Because he knew and we're talking
about the House Speaker. He knew that what the Senate
did put the House in a very very bad position.
But fortunately they're standing their ground and he has the
backing of the President and the President and said, I'm
going to fund TSA, which he signed in an executive

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order today to get those poor people paid right and
they should be paid, including back pay. But he's behind
the what the House is seene you saying, wait a minute,
this deal does not include funding for some basic functions
of ice and border patrol, and that's why the House rejected.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
They zero it out and then this whole well, we'll
do it in reconciliation. Hey, remember, I mean they remember
the minibus bill. How Thune would say, well, all the
things you wanted that we didn't put in this agreement,
we're going to do in a reconciliation or in a
subsequent bill.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
It never happened.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Remember that they talked about, we aren't going to do
the minibus bill to we debate Save America Act. Well,
we'll do Save America Act later. Now they're not getting
rid of the filibuster to get the fifty plus one
to pass that Save America Act. They've mistreated Cenator lead
the entire time that poor man's been out there on
that Senate floor arguing for this, debating this for day
on end, and then they just run out of town

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sixteen days. I will tell you this, there's a magazine
that wants pictures of these senators and what they do
in this next sixteen days. I hope people do. I
hope they take them in the beach and at the
Disneyland and whatever it is that they thought was so
important to go and leave us hanging the way they have.
I hope that their you know, hallowed sixteen day recess
is well documented because it is an absolute betrayal of

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the American people. And it's our own Republicans who are
in the majority who pulled this stunt and then just
sent it over to the House unprepared, without knowing what
was going to happen. As if this is that they're
going to have to like it or lump it.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, we mentioned never have heard
of or seene a more animated Mike Johnson House speaker
than we did today. Then later on a few hours later,
he appeared on Scott Jennings radio show and he explained
what the House is now trying to do.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
We are we're going to pass, hopefully by tonight or
at the latest by tomorrow morning, as soon as procedurally
we can get this done. We're going to pass a
clean continuing resolution that will get us to mid May,
about eight weeks or so, and that will allow all
of those who sacrificially serve our country to keep the
nations safe get their paychecks. Scott TSA agents have not

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been paid for half of this fiscal year already, they've
gone without regular paychecks. It's forty two days they've been
working without pay. This is the second longest shutdown.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
In US history.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
And everybody listening to the sounds of our voices needs
to ask themselves why why would Democrats do this? It
is very simple. What they want to do is defund
the two agencies of the federal government. They keep the
borders closed and secure, and who go out and enforce
immigration law. They don't want criminal illegal aliens who got

(06:45):
into this country under Joe Biden deported from the country.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, Republicans and the US Senate go along with this idea.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
What I don't understand with what Speaker Johnson just said
is that we're going to pass a clean see our
clean continuing resolution, Well, you need the Senate to vote
for that as well. Unless he's saying, because he only
talked about Democrats in that clip, that they're going to
accept with what ultimately accept what the Senate sent them.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, I think they're going to pass a clean cier
and then shove it back to the Senate.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, then they're gonna have to come back from their
sixteen day recess to vote for it.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's the That's what I think. That's what I think
they are trying to do it. Well, we've got a
lot to get to. Yes, we'll talk about the Tiger
Woods accident and what happened there this guy. We're all going,
what on earth is this guy doing? Yeah, man, we
just don't know. He's been arrested. If you're just joining us,
haven't heard today he was involved in an accident. They're

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in Florida yet again, a vehicle went on its side.
He was arrested for DUI. He's in jail, probably being
bailed out at this hour as we're talking, and we'll
get you up to date on that today. A lot
to get to today on this Thank Rod and Greg
gets Friday and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
kN rs. Beautiful day on the outside, got a lot
to talk about. Yes, we'll get into the Tiger Woods

(07:59):
story here in a little bit. If you aren't aware
of the story breaking today. He was involved in a
car accident not far from his place there in Florida.
He has been arrested on DUI. Alcohol apparently not involved
in this. They didn't detect that. Now we're guessing some
pain pills.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Maybe able was zero zero, but he was compromised. And
it has to do probably with the type of painkillers
you take when you've had back surgery, major surgeries, as
he's had, But addictions can come from that pretty easily,
and the man can afford a driver. I mean, I
just isn't the first time this has happened in terms
of him having accidents and he just needs to have

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a driver. I don't that shouldn't be that hard to
figure out.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, that's for sure. Well, speaking in sports, we didn't
talk about this yesterday, but a big decision by the IOC,
the International Olympic Committee yesterday banning trans women from participating
in sports involving women in the Olympics. A lot of
pressure on them to do so. Bob Costas, the progressive
Bob Costas, who is no friend of conservatives or Donald Trump,

(09:01):
actually made some sense and commenting on this last night.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
There is a reason why there are men's and women's sports,
and why Title nine was one of the truly progressive
pieces of legislation in the best sense of the word
progressive under the Nixon administration.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
It changed everything.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
I had a sister who never played a single organized sport.
One generation later, two children of my own, my daughter
played just about as many organized sports as my son.
That's a great thing. It doesn't make any sense to
have a swimmer who was the four hundred and seventy
second ranked swimmer when he was a man at Penn,
either winning or coming close to winning against women a

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year and a half after transitioning. If that's what the
person wants to do, that person should be treated with
dignity and respect. But there ought to be common sense
and common sense is not transphobic.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I love that line. Common sense is not transphobic.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, when figures it out, then you know it's obvious.
I mean, you got to lead him to the world. Yeah,
and he's drinking finally.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah. Well, another more good news is more information comes
out on this whole debate over trans and kids. We're
finding out that more and more kids are saying I
don't think I want to go there when it comes
to transitioning. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
more about that is Chris Bray. Chris, thank you. He
is a former infantry sergeant with the US Army, now
a contributor with the Federalist Chris, Let's talk about trans kids.

(10:26):
Are Is it a dying trend? What are you seeing
out there?

Speaker 8 (10:30):
I think the vast majority of the American people feel
that way.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Looking like an eighty twenty issue that's trending in a
positive direction, And.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
I said in the article it's looking like it might
turn into.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
A ninety ten issue. I think the number of people
who are clinging to the trans kids stuff is getting
smaller and smaller.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
So there's always consequences to these decisions in these trends.
So if you look at COVID and when they shut
the schools down, the proficiency of a year over year
proficiency of students is so woefully behind it, and it's
something that people are worried, how are we going to
catch up? So there's consequences to bad decisions. What are
the consequences to this wave we had of children being castrated,

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children going through this transition, transitioning and now probably trying
to detransition. What does the world look like going forward?

Speaker 9 (11:18):
Do you think the world looks like a lot of
pain for a lot of young people who've been attacked
by lunatics and have had their bodies butchered. And one
of the reasons that trans kids is a dying trend.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
One of the most important reasons is that.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Trans kids are leading the way. The number of detransitioners
is growing. We had a legislative hearing in California. The
California legislature just won't stop, and they keep pounding on
more and more bills to encourage kids to transition. We
had a hearing last week where a bunch of the

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testimony was from young people, young adults just passed eighteen, saying,
a few years ago, when I was thirteen years old,
doctors told me, oh, you're feeling anxiety because you were
born in the wrong body. You're really a boy. We're
going to cut your healthy breasts.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
Off and then your anxiety will go away.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There was a young man named Johnny Skinner who you
can find on social media, who is a boy and
for a few years was told that. You know, you had.

Speaker 8 (12:25):
Doctors who told him, oh, you're a feminine. That means
you're really a girl. So as soon as we start
cutting on your body, you'll feel better.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And those are the people who are saying, those are
the voices.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
That are saying to us, I'm an incredible pain.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
My life is much harder than it needs to me.
My body hurts. What you've done to me is barbaric.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Wow. Wow, Chris, you're aware of the story out of
New York a couple of months ago where a trans
person won a case against a doctor who recommended that
her transition. Why isn't more pressure being put on these
professionalists whatever you want to call them, who keep on
recommending this step to these young kids. Why is the

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more pressure being put on them?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
This is a fascinating thing, and I think I.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Think there is an internal debate going on in medicine
that we're not seeing a lot of. And last month,
in February, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons you can
find this statement online, released a professional recommendation to their
members to surgeons who do plastic surgery, who change people's bodies, saying,

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we strongly recommend against doing these surgeries for minors. Wait
till they're nineteenth. They said, dessistance is growing, there's a
growing number of detransitioners. There's growing evidence that cutting on
young people's body because they say they're feeling gender anxiety

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is actually masking a bunch of other anxiety. And we
don't recommend doing this anymore. So surgeons are saying to surgeons,
it's time for us to stop doing this to people
and wait to see how they feel when they when
they turn into adults and then as adults, when they've
had some time to think about it, we can consider

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doing these surgeries. But it is a thing that surgeons
are saying to each other and the American Medical Association.
When the American Society of.

Speaker 8 (14:33):
Plastic Surgeons said, we don't recommend doing these surgeries anymore,
the American Medical Association said, Oh, this doesn't have anything
to do with us. We're not making this recommendation. This
is just one particular group, but that's not where we are.
We support transgender children. So I think I think it's
a conversation that doctors are having to have for themselves.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
So I think there's going to be a I think
it's there's gonna be a stubbornness to this issue. I
think there are parents who approved this procedure for their
children that will never want to believe that they that
they butchered their own child and change their lives for
the negative forever, and so they're going to be in denial.
You have a leftist ideology here that wants to continue

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to I think, wants to continue in this vein. So
is this depending are the politics of the day and
the President Trump's administration helping the pendulum swing back and
we need leadership like that, or is has this truly
run its course and it's indefensible?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now it has not truly run its course.

Speaker 8 (15:34):
I think it's indefensible, but I thought it was indefensible.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Fight Yeah, to go me too.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
We need political leadership. It's still a political issue and
it still needs to be political bought. Ultimately, what's happening.
There's research now. There have been a bunch of peer
review studies that look at at young people who you
just leave alone.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
They say I was born in the wrong body, I'm
really a girl.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
If you just leave malone for five years, they're probably.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
Gonna say, oh, yeah, that was just a phase.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yes, there is change that's coming. There are medical.

Speaker 8 (16:12):
Malpractice lawsuits against the butchers who are doing these surgeries,
and that really matters. There's a growing number of detransitioners
and what are called the sisters, people who just stop,
who are telling us what you've done to me is
barbaric and I'm in pain and you should stop. And
I think the weight of all of those things that

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are happening outside of politics.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is going to end the way we're butchering children. But
that doesn't mean we stop.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
The political effort.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It is a thing to fight. It is a thing
we have to fight. It is going to die. But
keep fighting it until it does.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Chris Pray joining as boy.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I just hope this savagery stops. I'm just it is
common sense, as cost it says, comes into play here.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, I mean, whatever you want to think about transgender
Leave kids alone? I mean, how is that a controversial
or even a debatable concept. Let kids be kids, you know,
when their adults go make some decisions, but kids should
be left alone.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
All right? More coming up. It is the Friday edition
of the Rotting Greg Joe on Utah's Talk radio one
oh five nine can ar s March Madness getting underway tonight, Greg,
We've got four games playing for tonight. What a screw
up last Yeah, Now, the University of Nebraska's men's basketball
team hasn't been in March Madness forever, but they finally

(17:35):
got in.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Right, it's the little more for him a whole how
you play the game.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Maybe there are some rules they kind of didn't get
kind of fleshed out very well, amongst.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
The having enough players on the court.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Of oh yeah, there's supposed to be five I've seen
this in junior jazz. By the way, this happens a lot.
Don't don't discount this junior jazz. Get the five players
out there. Sometimes there's a miss queue, so you know
that happens.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well. In the second and a half of last night's
game Nebraska versus Iowa, Nebraska was trailing seventy one to
sixty less than a minutes ago, rather critical point of
the game. They're still within the possibility of women. While
passing the ball in, a guard for Iowa noticed one
of their forwards all alone at the other end of
the court. The player dunked the ball in and a

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desperation foul by a Nebraska player set him up for
a potential three point play. But then list of the
announcers what they discussed.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
Marcus Lawrence, you.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Put all that look at this pass.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Oh my goodness, Cool Garris.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Happen.

Speaker 11 (18:39):
Well, now it was a major defensive breakdown there.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Watch your game.

Speaker 10 (18:54):
Well, they just don't guard cool Garris and he's.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Waving for it.

Speaker 11 (18:58):
How about the vision there you've been.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Jail trying to get back in the play.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
Wait a minute, I think Nebraska only had four defenders
on the floor.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
They did mass is not on the floor.

Speaker 11 (19:10):
Nebraska, that is a major breakdown. They didn't even have
five guys on the floor when Iowa was inbounding. You
can't match up like that.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Would you subscribe that as a whoops?

Speaker 10 (19:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So the question is what does a coach in that
moment do I you know, there's some people that think
that you should hug it out in that moment. Whoever
didn't come in and you know there should be I
think to get this deep in the march madness and
to have played in an entire season five players on
the field seems to be one of those foundational prem
you know, just foundational moments. You know, everything starts from there.

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You can't run any play unless you have all five
there two four is two guards the center you have
to go.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Well, a lot of attention is being paid this year
to coaches screaming at players. Some people say you shouldn't
do that, other people it's inspiring us. On our Newsmaker
line to talk all about that is Kirsten Fleming. She's
a features columnist of the New York Post. What about
coaches yelling at players? Kirsten, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Well?

Speaker 12 (20:11):
I think it's just what's been going on since the
dawn of time right out of all these leak programs,
But much has been made of the softening of our society, right,
so it's been we've talked about so much about how
coaches you can't coach the way that you used to.
It's been bemoaned, you know, between Nil and our and
our softening culture and our coddling culture and our fragility

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that we've really embraced. We've just seen these outright examples
of hard coaching. We've seen it from Patino, We've seen
it from Danny Hurley, who's you know, never been one
to shy away from that. Tom Izzo. Charles Barkley even
praised tom Izzo for yelling at kids and has said,

(20:54):
you know, because he cares. And that's ultimately what's going
on here. It's like we're sort of returning back to
that that gritty culture where coaches are saying and very
publicly and very demonstratively, we are we're here to turn
you guys into men. You know, this isn't just about basketball.
This is about a broader game of life. So it's

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very refreshing to.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
See Kirsten, does no one remember Bobby Knight.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I mean, I mean the man threw a chair across
a basketball court, you know, and I think we I
think people said, well, maybe the chair hurling a chair
might be a little it might have been a little much,
but everything else behind that was fine. Now we're at
the point where you can't Yeah, and I will tell
you I've had kids that played sports. I played sports
when I was young. I don't know a coach if
they cared. I've cared about the kids, cared about adversity

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and at facing adversity. And how you do that that
isn't that aren't tough on the kids, but that love
them and want to put them in positions of success.
How do we teach a soft society that that's preparing
people for a really, really tough world that will be
pretty mean to people if you're if you're not prepared
for it.

Speaker 12 (21:59):
Well, I mean, of course, you know, I love Bobby
Knight as well, And yeah, I think that was an
example where you went okay, and then you know, you
had the Mike Rice scandal records, and you know, there
were a few examples there. People said, oh, maybe we've
gone a little too far. But do you think that
we're returning. We're turning a corner in our culture. We're
returning back to you. And I don't know if it's
because the coaches that are winning that this winning method

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is rising to the top, so we're seeing it more
and it's unapologetics. So there's that, But I do think
there was a Potito's return has been I think very
healthy for the recognition of this. Like he last year
during a game against Providence when Saint John's was down
and he gave them a speech that would have I mean,

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it would have just stoked fear in your heart. I
mean he was screaming at them, where were they raised?
Where are their fight? And he's in their faces, insulting
their you know, every them up and down. And it
was captured by Weiss because the Vice had done a
serious adocus series inside their season, so we had a
front row see to that, and that really went viral

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and I think people really said, oh, that's how coaches are.
And you know, I think like that was a moment
where I think we sort of turned around and said, Okay,
like this is this is actually probably a good thing
because look what he's done with the Saint John's program.
So I think It's about getting back to this idea
where people coaches are able to articulate this as well.

(23:28):
You know that these this isn't gratuitous yelling. This isn't
just people yelling because it's on power trip and it
really is like Patino at the end of that speech
in the in the Vice series, you know, he says,
this isn't about basketball, This is about life.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 13 (23:44):
Life is?

Speaker 12 (23:45):
Life is about adversity. That was basketball. But this I'm
yelling at you not because of basketball. I'm yelling at
you because of life. And you're trying to produce men.
And in this era with nil, we're in the transfer
portal where these players have a lot more freedom to
move around. If they don't like that type of coaching,
they'll go elsewhere. You know, they'll they'll get more money
to go elsewhere. So I think it's about getting back

(24:07):
to these the roots of understanding why they're doing it. Yeah,
they're doing it to produce champions, They're doing it to
produce good men and women.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, Kirsten, I recall this discussion brought to mind as well.
Earlier this year, the head coach at UCLA told one
of his players to get off the court after the
kid committed a hard foul right at the end of
the game that really wasn't necessary. He said, I don't
want you on the court right now. Go to the
locker room and get out of here. The question I have, Kirsten,
is it the players who are complaining, or their fans

(24:38):
and their family or saying don't be too hard on
the kids.

Speaker 12 (24:43):
I think they're like, it's interesting, you know, most of it,
I think has just been society's messaging, right, So it's
kind of trickled down into this idea where where you
know that we had all embracing fragility and you know,
saying to kids, oh yeah, like it's okay, you can
have accommodations for this, and it all, you know, goes

(25:04):
into the against Jonathan hates cuddling of the American mind,
and we lost sight of resilience and the value of
resilience for a while. And I think that trickled down
to the coaching ranks, and you know, then you have
nil and you have the transfer portal moving in and
paradynamics that flipped a little bit. But I don't know
that it that this type of coaching totally ever really

(25:25):
went away in a sense. I think, you know, now
we're seeing it's okay to be this way. But I
do think that that people got squeamish at all levels.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Squeamish.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You mentioned it, but I want to dive into this
just a little bit. And so I was never recruited,
you know, to play college you know, sports at all.
But what the way I imagine it would play out
would be kind of like when the recruiter in the
military recruits you to join the military, you know, and
they tell you all the positive things, and they're very kind,
they're very nice, they're very aspirational. Then you get the
boot camp, okay, and then the whole world switches and

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you are not very lucky anymore. You are, you know,
and they just go after you. But they're building you
and they're toughening you up, and all those things happen.
What does Nil do when now, because you know, Nick
Saban left college football and I think he was kind
of that kind of cut from that cloth in terms
of a tough coach gets you to Alabama, but then
you're going to fight for your life from that point on.
I think he left because these these these players can

(26:23):
now be more independent. If they don't like what they're told,
if they don't get to start, they can they have
other options. So how does how does NIL contribute to
the softening of players and will players actually take the
kind of leadership you know, lessons that coaches can deliver,
the tough coaches in this climate where they can go
get money to play at a different school.

Speaker 12 (26:45):
Well, I think there's a few answers there. So you
have also have Jay Wright, legendary Villanova coach who packed
it in because of that Tony Bennett, he was in
the prime of you know, he's a young guy, said
I'm not going to do that game either, just too much.
So there there are a few schools about this, Like
you know, I interviewed Jim laarn Aga, who legendary Miami coach.

(27:09):
He you know, he rapped also as well, and you
know he was older, but he is like, I couldn't
teach kids anymore. My favorite part of coaching was teaching,
and you can't teach because these kids are here just
playing for their next contract.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Kirsten Fleming from The New York Post talking about coaching
in America today, I kind of like the ideas coming
back where coaches get in your face.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
They should they should like it's it's just part of coaching.
You got to be tough on the kids, and they
actually respond to it. At least I think great great
athletes respond to adversity, and unversity is a great coach.
Dabo Sweeney from Clemson, head coach of the football team, said,
adversity is the enemy of the week and the constant
companion of a champion. And once you know that diversity

(27:49):
is just the cost of you know, doing business, it
changes it. And that's what I think. Tough coaches teach
good athletes, good kids.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Were talking more about that in the coming now or
stay with us. It is the Rod and Greg Show
on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine. Can arrest
ever got knocked out during the Olympic game which the
US one, which he scored the winning goal. He finally
got a fixed.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
And you know Quinn Hughes' older brother, he helped get
him into that final. He shot that winning roles as
a defensive man. And then Jack Hughes, the younger brother,
wins the gold for US loses a tooth doing it.
Do you think that those like those soccer players that
play for real and stuff. They they they fall on
the ground and.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, but they don't have a puck coming.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Saying they have a ball.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
They ride in pain, and they haven't known a day
as tough as Jack Hughes does. And he gets his
tooth knocked out, keeps playing, keeps playing. Those soccer players, boy,
they I don't think they could handle it.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah. One other note, Costco. That's interesting. They're doing this
in California and probably will do it around the country,
opening their first standalone gas station who Costco? Oh nice,
won't be connected with the with the outlet at all.
It'll be in a different location, starting in Mission Viejo, California.
There you go, see what happens, all right? Boy, Coming

(29:00):
up our number two of the Riding Gregg Show with
you on this Friday afternoon and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can interast day with us. Got a
couple of audio sound bites we want you to hear.
First of all, don't know what happened in Washington last night.
We're still trying to figure this out. But we wake
up this morning the Senate approving a deal to reopen

(29:22):
the government. They send it to the house, and the
house goes eh. And we'll explain why here in a minute. Plus.
Tough day for Tiger Woods involved in another another auto
accident today. He has been charged with dui alcohol apparently
not involved in this. He was jailed and arrested. We'll
see how long that lasts. I would imagine by now
he's bailed out. But we'll get into that and tell

(29:43):
you what happened. Well, first of all, let's start off
with what happened in Washington yesterday when it go or
I guess early this morning, Greg, when it comes to
the government shutdown.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
So I can't get my head around it, and I've
been asking. I actually have texted some people from DC.
Someone explained back to me, how FI if I understand
it right? And I'm happy to be wrong about what
I've read and what I've been able to absorb. But apparently,
at three am on the Senate floor, there were five
Republican Senators who, in an anonymous voice vote unanimous voice

(30:13):
vote past.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Five just five vote five five past a budget deal.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I I you know, I used to be a presiding
officer of a legislative body. I know it's a state,
not the US Senate. But there are processes where math
the majority and a committee the majority on the floor.
As I understand it, the Senate has a sixty vote
clo cloture where to end debate and actually be able
to decide a bill by fifty percent plus one, which
is fifty one votes. I don't know where sixty votes

(30:43):
comes into play. Fifty one votes come into play if
you have five members on a Senate floor at five
at three am that could vote by voice vote, that
would mean anything. I don't get it. I don't understand it.
But let's get past the absurdity of that.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
All right, let me ask you one question. Yes, could
they have called the other members on the phone and
said what's your vote on this?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I to tell you, is that is that? I mean,
I'm just throwing out a question because I agree with you.
How did five decide this?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
All I'm saying is if that's a rule, then why
haven't they did it before? Because we've got to Save
America Act that can't get sixty votes but has over
fifty one co sponsors. Do this wink and nod three am,
five person unanimous vote, vote for it, and run out
of town like you did this thing if that's if
that's actually a thing, I mean, why start now, Why
isn't this something we've exercised in the past with tough

(31:32):
bills to pass. This one's not a tough bill. It's
a terrible bill they passed. And if you get past
the absurdity of the process and you get to what
they actually did, and you see them scrambling, the video
of them, the Senators scrambling to the airport and getting
out of town for their hallowed sixteen day recess is
just nauseating.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
But then you know.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
From the reaction of Speaker at Johnson that they didn't
know anything about this, and it is garbage in, garbage
out they are on page two. It completely shows that
they're going to defund ice. I know we funded it
to twenty nine, but we've even had a caller say
that the operations, the transportation, all these things. It's zeroed
out the things that Democrats wanted that danger Americans in

(32:11):
this country and the ability to do port illegals has
been completely compromised in that bill. And the House Republicans
are not going to supported They're flat out not going
to support as they should not.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
There was as Mike Johnson pointed out today and he
was angry at this, and I think we've got an
audio sound bite from Chip Roy as well, but Johnson
basically pointed out, he said, look it, you look into
this bill, and I think it was on page two
of the bill, just pay talking about certain functions of
border patrol and ice no money whatsoever. These are critical functions,

(32:42):
critical functions for those two groups. And he says, we
are not going to do that. What the Democrats are
trying to do is not to port people who shouldn't
be here to begin with, and we're going to have
open borders again. And that's why they're saying not on this.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And so now the New York Times, I've seen the
headline already. They are now framing the closure of the
Department of Homeland Security as a Republican feud. Now this
the Democrats are completely by the regime media left out
of the equation, which they are the ones that cause this,
and this minority somehow gets a Senate majority to capitulate.
Now they get to say, well, this is just Republicans

(33:16):
in the House and Senate fighting with each other to
actually open up DHS. It's a republican problem of a
Republican deal. So, I mean, I don't know what. I
don't know how a Senate majority of Republicans want to
win men mid terms when they don't know how to
win in real time or want to win or want
to win in real time. It infuriates me. And I
feel bad for Senator Mike Lee, who's been putting in

(33:38):
so much work and debating issues substantively, who gets left
out out there on a thin limb while everybody scrambles
out of town.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
It's just it's any sense.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, let's listen to this audio, this audio sound bite
from Chip Roy of course out of the state of Texas.
He's talking about the deal and White House Republicans said,
this thing instincs.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, this is this more when the's on on them.
What in the world the Senate left them?

Speaker 14 (34:02):
I think it is absolutely offensive to the people that
we represent that the Senate would send over a bill
that doesn't fund border patrol and the and the core
components of ICE, particularly what the chairman's talking about with
respect to stopping child track a traffic It's absurd, And
the fact.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
That they would expect us to take that up and pass.

Speaker 15 (34:21):
It today as they leave town, I mean, could the
Senate be any more lazy than to send to us
a bill that doesn't do the job and then lead town.
So we're going to stand up and say no to that.
We're going to send back a bill that's responsible.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
To that.

Speaker 16 (34:34):
The American people can.

Speaker 15 (34:35):
Get behind us for wanting to secureity the United States
of America, defend the people, and do what we said
we would do, and send it back over the Senate.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Anymore lazy, I think lazy is being pretty kind. Okay,
I think it's cowardice, and I think I think it's selfish.
I think this sixteen day recess that they put, they
place so much value and you're in, notice that it's there.
It's Christmas recess, August recess, this recess where you finally big,
you know, big beautiful past. When right before the August recess,
why they all want to go home? I mean that

(35:05):
is their priority. That's what they care. There's their north star,
is their time, sixteen days home they'll I mean it's
just frustrating.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah. Well, and you heard Mike Johnson. Why john said, Look,
you looked at the bill, and he showed even on
page two there's no money in there for certain functions
of ice and certain functions of border patrol. And so
we are not going to do this. And why the
Senate agreed to this. And I think what's what's said
about this in a way, Greg, is they put the
Republican House now on the spot. They really have.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, well that somebody's got out.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Everybody's about this. You know, the Republican who's to blame.
You're going to get long lines at the airport again.
This the airport's again this weekend, at least at some
of them. Do you know in some areas, Greg, some
airports forty percent of the TSA workers are not showing up.
And you can't blame them.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
No, I mean they are getting paid paid now.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
The President has signed an executive order to get them paid.

Speaker 10 (36:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm not sure what procedure or steps need to be taken,
but at least the President is looking at this and saying,
for crying out loud, if you guys can't do anything,
we got to take care of these poor people, and
we've got to help him out. And that's what he's
trying to do.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, he's trying. This man's working.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
President. President is working his tail off. You can like
it not like it. I like it, But you can't
say the guy lets any dust settle the man's working.
These senators, Ugh, I mean for them to leave town
with this half baked mess that nobody is going to digest. No,
the American people aren't going to be happy with it.
The set the House of Representatives certainly knows this, the
stench of this thing. They're gonna they're gonna force him

(36:37):
to come back. You know what's the Senate supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
The House will pass a resolution. It's different than the
garbage that they like you are now, there are sixteen
days are gonna get interrupted. They don't have to come
back and vote that or put everybody on hold while
they enjoy their time off.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well that's what they're going to do. You coming back,
yeh yeah, Well, House, I'll bet your lunch that they
don't have.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Been pathetic that they want.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, I'll bet your lunch they don't come back. I
wish you think they will. I mean they should.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I wish Center leap so that he doesn't get looped
in with these with these cowards, just sits on the
Senate floor, calls his wife, says, hey, let's have Easter
here in DC.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Come back here.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I don't want to leave the building because I don't
want to have any of the splash of these coward
senators who wanted their sixteen days more than they wanted
America safe and an elections process that actually is safe.
I don't want to be associated with him. So I'm
going to stay here in the Senate until they come
back and let's have Easter here. I hope I hope
he does, because I don't want him to be splashed
with this.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Easter on the Centate floor. Yeah, that would be kind
of you could I bet you could have a heck
of an easter egg gun.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I think Senator Lee's family would would merit a visit
from the Easter Bunny. He would bring some eggs, he'd
brings some bas the kids and the grand kids. You know,
I think that could happen.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
All Right, We've got a whole lot to get to.
We'll talk about what happened with Tiger Woods. And the
phones are open to you. That's being Friday. Whatever is
on your mind. Eighty eight eight five seven eight zero
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(38:13):
in better boundaries.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
One that you wanted to judge to decide and circumvent
the legislature's drawing of maps. He knew about it and
believe that's how this thing would go.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So your calls eight eight eight five seven o eight
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you up to data on what's going on with traffic
here in Salt Lake City or traffic people have been
reporting that thirty third south northbound I fifteen shut down
right now. We understand that there is a police incident

(38:44):
there and word is that that could be closed until
ten o'clock tonight. Uh So, if you're planning on coming
into the city tonight or through town, be aware of that.
But right now, thirty third south northbound I fifteen is
shut down because apparently some sort to police incident. We
don't know what it is yet, Abby. You'll have more
information coming up for you at the bottom of the hour,

(39:06):
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Speaker 2 (39:23):
Okay, let's go to our phone. Let's go to the
phones and talk to our listeners. Maybe they can walk
me away from this cliff this I'm on til let's
go to Corey and Saint George. Corey, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 17 (39:38):
Hey Greg and Rod, how are you?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
We're doing well, Thanks Cory, great Gray.

Speaker 17 (39:44):
I'm glad Rod's in town and not off today, otherwise
we'd have Thank Greg.

Speaker 10 (39:48):
It's fun Day.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
You came up with that name, did you, Corey?

Speaker 17 (39:53):
I hope, I hope we didn't get in trouble for that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
G Yeah, yeah, Corey, Rod you are here. Corey came
up with that fun Day. I've been using that Friday
Funday's genius creativity.

Speaker 10 (40:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (40:06):
But anyway, I just wanted to sound op real quick.
I've as a guy who's lost a family member to
an illegal alien, my uncle here in Utah back in
two thousand. I have just been thrilled watching the media meltdown,
the fake news media and Utah's meltdown over the ice
attention facility that's coming up in Salt Lake. That is

(40:28):
just the most awesome thing to see them in the
Left have this huge meltdown over an ice facility of
all things. I mean, we don't have a meltdown about
the Salt Lake County jail or any other gel in
any other county. But we're having a huge meltdown because
of the illegal immigration facility being built here. And I'm
really disappointed. I just want to say too, and maybe

(40:48):
Greg will agree with me. I'm really disappointed in my
senator in Saint George Don Gibson, who voted no to
Trevor Lee's hbaighty eight taking benefits from I legal aliens
from Utah, along with all the other Rhino senators that
are in the Utah State Senate that also sat on
it and did nothing. It's very disappointing.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, you spot that right.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You know they have the corey they had and the
way they did it procedurally is they never had they
never had a Senate sponsor, so without a Senate sponsor,
the bill dies. He even put a center or representatively
put his bill in a different bill, so that maybe
if it was him that was the problem, that would
be in a different bill. That bill that the language
was put in never received a Senate sponsor, so no
one had to vote no on that bill. But it

(41:32):
only took one to say yes. It would even be
the co sponsor or the Senate sponsor, and you'd have
at least a vote on the record somewhere along the way.
But yeah, that is a that is a huge disappointment
in this last legislative session.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Kory makes a good point. Nobody's upset about us all
Lake County jail. No, we know, but apparently a detention
center just orizes everybody nuts.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
So why are they? Why are they?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
They're more sympathetic too, and they criminals that are here
illegally than they are the you know, criminals get chilled otherwise.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Did you see the story today ICE is opening up
offices in West Valley City.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, well, have officest be careful. They're gonna turn the
water off there. Get thirsty because they apparently you can't
have water where you have an ice facility.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
West Valley residents, get ready, they may turn your water off.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
That's what they try to do.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Aaron mendonol has their way all right. Back to the phones.
Let's go to Carl in Salt Lake City tonight on
the Rod and Gregg Show. Hi Carl, how are you?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (42:28):
I'm fine.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
We're well? Thank you. What's on your mind tonight?

Speaker 10 (42:32):
Well, I just.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
Wanted to sound off on Senator Curtis for a minute.
I just think that this I think that this bill
that he sponsored to get away with gambling in Utah.
M hm, it's just a he's just pretending to be
conservative to try to undo some of the damage that
he did for him not supporting the Same America Act.
I don't think he's really conservative. I think he's just

(42:55):
a wolf in sheep's quothing.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Yeah, I won't.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
To say I like where you're going with that, And
let me just tell you where I think the irony
really lies. So this prop betting, this is a this
would be a bill that would not just impact Utah,
but they this proposition betting is a way a workaround
from gambling. You're you're putting in proposition bets that you
know certain outcomes are going to occur. It happens in commodities,
it happens in stocks. But this is in you know,

(43:21):
just in sports, even topics. You can bet, or you.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Can predictive proposing.

Speaker 18 (43:26):
It is.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So Senator Curtis is saying that, hey, this is gambling
by a different name. So I want to put an
end to it. But for all of all the people
that wants to put an end to it, it's the
guy that inside trades at the second highest dollar amount
that and we've seen in Congress. I got an idea,
why don't you stop the prop betting amongst members of
Congress on stocks? You know we're inside trading, is I

(43:48):
guess not illegal. Why don't you stop betting on Why
don't you stop the prop bets on on your trades?
And then when you're done doing that, you can start
looking out word at others and saying, I think even
by example, we shouldn't be doing these types of you know,
proposition bets because that's kind of what they do in
the Congress, and you see the numbers that they make.
There's you know, professional day traders that can't get close

(44:10):
to the percentage of returns that these genius members of
Congress are able to pull out part time whimsically, certainly
without any inside knowledge. There's just that good. They just
follow the markets better than professional you know, day traders.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
They have no more information than the regular inventory.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
They're just that lucky, that's all. They're just lucky.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
But hey, that proposition betting, boy, we're gonna get clean
that of the just don't touch, don't touch any trading
minimally just on the appearance. They should be fine with
not day trading as members of Congress, just because the
appearance is a little unseen.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Made as much money as Pelosi.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I'm tying these. I honestly saw a record I was
listening once. It was like he was second in that list.
So he does quite well. But I thought him being
the one that really lead out on this whole, you know,
the ills of prop betting.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
I don't know, man, there's some irony to that.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
The fact that he was with shiftless that shift.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
You cannot see that.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Adam Schiff standing, John Curtis standing short of shoulder, and
Joe Kerna from CNBC going. I thought I was actually
going to have to debate Center Shift on this not
you Center, because you're the Republican. You were supposed to
kind of be my clear minded guy, and I'm actually
having a debate you, not Adam Schiff. That's a I
don't know that you can unsee that one.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
You've seen it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's coming so on, amnestee, all right, more coming up.
It is Thank Rod and Greg is Friday. Lines are
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(45:47):
here is the latest. Northbound I fifteen is now shut
down at forty five hundred South and Murray due to
a police incident. Word is that all traffic is now
being asked to are being directed to exit at forty
five South. The Department of Transportation originally estimated the highway
would remain closed until after ten pm tonight, but then

(46:09):
said there was an unknown duration for clearance. So they
originally said it could be shut down at ten o'clock tonight,
but they're now saying that may be a little aggressive,
and we'll keep you up to date on that. Drivers
of course, can use it fifteen or US eighty nine
State Street as an alternate. More information will be coming
along and we'll get that to you. What I'm aggressive
meaning that ten p after they're saying it could be

(46:33):
open before ten o'clock. I mean it's a police incident,
though you know, we aren't We aren't sure exactly what
that means at this point, but is it an officer
involved shooting? So that takes a while to go through
all of that, investigate what happened, get what they need
to done, So it will be a while I will
say that.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, well, yeah, there's there was an incident that happened
a little while ago, but it was on I fifteen
around the point of Mountain. You're and that it did
shut down the freeway first, Yeah, very very long time.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, yeah, so be aware that.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Speaking of traffic, Tiger Woods again involved in yet another
traffic accident, apparently not far there in Florida. It happened
about two o'clock East coast time, around noon hour time today.
Here's here's an early description from Fox News about what happened.

Speaker 10 (47:22):
Marcus Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
You put all that and look at this pass.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Oh my god, that's not what we want.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (47:27):
Well, so it all happened just a few hours ago
there in Florida. And it's interesting that we really just
have the one picture, so we'll pull it up again
on our screens. You can see that it's a rollover
crash on Jupiter Island, Florida. It's a still picture, but
I was thinking if I was working the scene, you
walk up to it, you kind of see the lay
of the land. It looks like it's a residential area.
It's got just the two small lanes there in Florida,
and you can see it happened right in front of

(47:48):
some homes. So the investigators are going to try to
piece this together as they work the crash scene and
see if anyone has information and maybe some video cameras,
and also as we dig into this crash and see
if there's injuries who was in the car. We know
that back in twenty twenty one, Tiger Woods was involved
in that bad rollover crash. He was left seriously injured.
He had golf You know, injuries that stopped him from

(48:09):
playing golf for a while, and it was this suv
crash in California in twenty twenty one. So Tiger just
returned to competitive action at the TGL Finals this week.
There was a lot of speculation, people saying, is he
going to tee up at Augusta? Is he going to
the Masters?

Speaker 17 (48:24):
Well?

Speaker 19 (48:25):
President Trump was on the Five last night and actually
talked about Tiger Woods before this crash, saying he will
not be playing in the Masters, but said he'd be there.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Tiger Woods involved in another traffic incident not far from
his home there in Florida, And Greg, you and I
have been talking about, you know, he was arrested for
DUI but alcohol not involved. Yeah, you know, so we're
thinking as much as much surgery and as much pain
we understand he's in, could be involved with pain drugs.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So when I was a speaker and I got involved
in Operation Real Grand and we're trying to get the
cartels out of there, and I was confronted, and I
didn't know a whole lot about drug addiction back then,
but what I learned was that these painkillers that are
doctor prescribed, and you could follow that it's just some
people's physiology. You can follow the prescription instructions exactly, and
your body could find itself addicted very quickly, just following

(49:16):
the prescription, not abusing it, not trying to use it
as a party drug or anything like that, but you
could find yourself viciously addicted, and to the point where
there's been a lot of work since then with opioids
to try and not use it as a pain to
try and relieve pain. But anyway, if you're having all
those surgeries, there's no way around the types of painkillers
that mask that kind of pain. And so it's not

(49:39):
beyond the realm of possibility, and it is probably likely that
there's either the usage of these painkillers as prescribed or
where you become addicted, you begin to use them more.
And this accident, like some of the accents that he's
been involved in prior, is.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Called is a consequence of that.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, And so I don't think that's a large leap,
and you know, we'll find out. But all I know
is that I said he's a lowsy driver, he actually
can drive the golf ball like a champ. I mean,
he's a good driver with a driver in his hand
behind the wheel man. That guy should be given chauffeur
for life. He has the money. I would just have
someone drive me to the corner to get the mail. Yeah, okay,

(50:22):
try me to get the mail. I don't I don't
want to ever get behind the wheel again.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Well he has that.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Right, I mean his back, his knee, his achilles, he
almost lost his leg, almost lost his leg and as
a result of that accident in California. So you're right, Greg,
I mean, why you know, why does this guy insist
on driving, and especially when he's on these pain killers. Yeah,
it's it's you don't hire a driver. I think he
has the money.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, I do. I think he I think he's socked
away some I think he's got it. I think he's
got a couple of quarters to rub together make that
not an issue.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
So why you know?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Again, and he comes across, I mean he's I mean,
he's been such a such an icon. I've loved watching
him golf. I remember, he's just been and I think
all of America loves the golfer Tiger Woods.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
We just love the guy.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Anyway, So he's when he's interviewed, he always seemed like
he's a good decision maker. He was very methodical, he
very dedicated, he was he had a high work ethic
in his his craft, his game. To just make bad
decisions like he makes in other parts of his life
is just it's it's like a Jekyll and Hyde for
someone that loves him as an athlete, at least.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You know someone someone I this was a while ago, Greg,
but someone talked about people who have changed the sport
there in Yes, they went back to Babe Ruth and baseball. Okay,
they went to Wayne Gretzky and hockey. Yeah, they went
to Michael Jordan in basketball, and they went to Tiger
Woods in golf. And those are those are individuals, goats,

(51:49):
the greatest of all time. How they changed the game
or how the game they're identified with the game. You
say Babe Ruth, you instantly think of baseball. You say,
Michael Jordan, instantly think of basketball, you say golf, and
a lot of people, I mean, my kids grew up
when Tiger Woods was on a roll, That's right, and
they just you know, they locked into this guy, and

(52:11):
your kids did too.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
My Sophie, she couldn't, she could barely speak and she's
so little she couldn't put her words together. And I'd say,
who's your favorite golfer? Tuckle Woods. Yeah, shed barely say
the name, but she knew. She watched me watch him,
and she liked it, and she liked golfs, and.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
You'd love to watch him play. And what I think
was more fun was to watch him get in trouble
and get out of it. Yeah, because he was very
good at shake a shot.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
He could, he could, he could, he could slice the
ball around a big giant tree and hit the green.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
It was amazing couple of shots. All right, let's go
back to the phones. Eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero on your cell phone, dal Pound two
to fifteen and say hey, Rod or leave us coming
on our talk back line. Back to the phones we go.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Okay, let's go to Richard from Salt Lake City. Richard,
thank you for joining us on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (52:55):
I just want to say I just am so disappointed
with Senator Curtis into his whole interview on your show
that he did, and I just felt nothing held water.
But we hate to say someone's like a bad person,
because I think he's a good person. In many ways,
But is it good to pretend to be something and

(53:16):
then totally do something different. You pretend to be a
Republican and then on like the most critical legislation in
our lifetimes, he just stabs us in the bag. I
think he's a shrewd politician that knows exactly what he's
doing and he's just killing us. And I just think
we should refer to him from now on as Senator

(53:36):
hurt Us, because I think that's what he does. He
just kills us, and not just the state, but the
entire country. And then with Blake Moore, I just want
to say, with Blake Moore, I am so disappointed with
him and this whole redistricting thing. And I think the
silence of Blake Moore after the whole thing came down

(53:57):
and they redid the districts and prize surprise, he's the
big winner where his district is just he's going to
win it forever and it's just all Republicans, no Democrats.
He won't really have any competition. The silence from him
was death and he I mean, I think somebody that
has even just a little bit of fairness in them

(54:19):
would say, you know, this came out way more Jerry
Manners than I could have dreamed. But he was just
part of that, and I just think it speaks volumes.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah right, yeah, Richard, thank you and our thoughts on
this couple of things. First of all, John Curtis is
a good guy. I mean, we you know, he's a
nice man. You and I associate with him. Greg. We've
gone back and forth with John Curtis. He'll answer our
questions about this, so you know, I'm not sure what
his agenda is, even though we question it now with
some of the stances he's take. And I think you're
right on Blake Moore. Somebody better ask Blake Moore what

(54:52):
he meant. But when he said that whole idea of
suing the you know, the state to get the district,
the teeth of it wasn't the teeth that Greece is.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
The is the public right of action which to go
to the courts and have a judge decide over top
of the legislature.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So Blake Moore was endorsing the idea of going to
the courts to get around the Utah Constitution.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
It was from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
From the beginning, the constitution clearly states Utah lawmakers make
up the districts.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That's right, and and and they and it was a
wolf in sheep's clothing and they said, look, well how
this inebente commission. But you can vote it up or down, uh,
and then do whatever you're going to do. What they
what Blake Moore said, was that gives us a public
right of action to then go to a judge that
will make the ultimate decision, not the legislature, which they
feel like those judges and they're right, as we've seen,
are on their side.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Now, Richard mentioned, of course he has the first district
locked up. There's some good candidates so I think are
going to challenge him this year. So it's going to
be really interesting to see what happens. All Right, more
coming up and more your phone calls. Rod and Greg
with you on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five. Die
cannais It's Friday Fun Day. On the Rodden Gregg Show,
Corey Corey came up with that, right, Corey Ready, Fun Day.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Corey from St. George camp with that you weren't here
And it was a great I liked it. I thought
it was good. I actually kind of I don't know
if you've notniced, but I've intertwined it into this.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
You have Friday, you have.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Shows in our lingo. Yeah you have. I've tried, You've
worked it out.

Speaker 10 (56:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
So anyway, you're listening to TES Talk Radio one O
five nine can RS and the way Corey listens is
through the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Good for him, Yep, we like that. By the way,
and Abby, I'll have more on this here in just
about five minutes. But I don't know if we can
repeat this enough. If there are many of you out
on the highway who are heading into the Salt Lake
Valley right now, get ready, hey, just say this for
an unbelievable traffic jam. They have closed the northbound I
fifteen between forty fifth and thirty third South because of

(56:44):
an officer involved shooting in the area of thirty third South.
Traffic gates backed up. They're suggesting you take I two
fifteen or you take State Street to get around it.
But now they originally indicated Greg it would be closed
till about ten o'clock tonight. They haven't revised that. Yeah,
but they thought that may be a little aggressive, may
not be as bad as they were originally thinking. But

(57:06):
a police involved an officer involved shooting takes a lot
of time, a lot of investigations, so we'll have to
wait and see what happens tonight. So just be aware
that if you're heading into the Salt Lake Valley right now.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, it's you know, Friday's kind of a traffic day
anyway out of town.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah, one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Bit.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, put that into the Sometimes our map apps actually
see it and they'll give you an alternate route.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Giving an update on Make sure you check that out right.
Our number three coming your way. We'll talk about the
mid terms, and we'll talk about grow the flow. What
is that all about? All timing up our number three
of the Rotting Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
You know, I think we get ripped off sometimes, like
we can get a spring, we go from cold somewhere.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, you know, I've always thought March is a perfect
time a year to be in Saint George. Usually it's
in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Beautiful, it's yeah, but yeah, I like hoodies. I used
to wear suits, and then if it wasn't a suit,
it was a hoodie. I would almost look like John Feeder.
I wouldn't never wear what John Fetterman were, you know,
at work or Capitol. But you wouldn't wear that on
the floor that That is my preferred wardrobe when I'm
a hood but I'm not, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
But now you can put on a golf shirt and
beat perfectly.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
I'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
All right. There is so much uncertainty, Greg. The midterms
are what in November. We're only into March, but the
time is going very very quickly. Do you have any
kind of a sense about the midterms. I just think
there's so much uncertainty.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I don't know what time you know what, Rod, I
am on such and we talked about this at the
beginning of the show, but I am on tilt about
this Senate and this five member three a m wink
and nod. I don't there's no math to what they did.
And I don't know that Republicans do enough in Congress
in the Senate to deserve to get sent back if
we're in the majority and we don't know how to win,
and the only guy that you're going to do is

(58:48):
just jump on the back of President Trump, who's working.
You can't say the man's not working. You might not
like everything he's doing. I happen to, but you can't
say the guy, doesn't, you know, earn his keep. I
don't know that Senate's not earning its keep. It's hallowed
six teen day recess. They got to play these games.
Today's not the day to ask me about midterms because
I'm not very happy with the majority of the Republican majority.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Well, let's ask our next guest about the midterms. His
name is Arthur Shaper, writer, contributor to American Greatness. Great
guy to have on the show. All right, Donald Trump
has done so much? Can he maintain that momentum going
into the midterms? What about all these executive orders? What
do you see happening?

Speaker 10 (59:26):
Arthur, Trump's executive orders will stay in place. However, they've
got to wrap up this Iran issue, avoid boots on
the ground, get you know, get stability in the country,
get the gas prices back down again. And if we
see the if we see the regime changes in those countries, Cuba, Venezuela,
let Iran, this is going to be an unprecedented legacy

(59:48):
of glory for the president. Now, foreign policies not enough.
George Herbert Walker Bush lost his reelection in nineteen ninety two,
despite the victories in Kuwait against Saddam Hu Sai. We've
got to get back to domestic reforms. He's got to
finish that wall. He has got to deport all the illegals.
No backing down on it. I do appreciate the President

(01:00:09):
playing hardball with the US Senate. He wants everything funded
with DHS, not just partially. Up to press time, I
don't think the House has even taken up the Senate compromise,
and they shouldn't. The Democrats own this shutting down everything.
President Trump just needs to keep being the solution. He
needs to keep being the bridge builder. He needs to
keep being the success maker. And once those gas prices

(01:00:32):
come back down, once this Iran issue is resolved, the
President just keeps on drilling. Our big beautiful bill is
doing big, beautiful things for the American public. I think
it is a masterstroke that they are going to have
a midterm convention. Brilliant what they need to do now.
They not only have to get the generic Republican supporters,

(01:00:52):
but they've got to find independence and registered Democrats who
have benefited from Trump's policies and decisive leadership. They go
to that convention and say, yes, it's a midterm election.
Yes the opposite opposite party usually does well, but I
don't think that they have what it takes. And I'm
of the opposition. I'm a registered Democrat or Independent, and

(01:01:14):
I want Trump to have all the support he can get.
I want Republicans to hold the House, and I want
them to expand their numbers in the Senate. It can be.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Done, so are there in real time?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I woke up this morning to find out that at
three am Eastern on the Senate floor, apparently five five
Senators in a voice vote past something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
I don't understand. We're five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I don't understand the math of that in the legislative process.
I've spent all day before getting ready for the show
to understand, to describe to listeners how five members in
the Senate could actually pass anything. I don't understand this.
My worry is, as you mentioned, we have to deport
the illegals. What the Senate agreed to because of their
hallowed sixteen day recess they didn't want to have interrupted

(01:01:58):
is a mess. It throws cold water on me being
excited about a Republican Senate majority because they're not doing it.
They're not they're not winning there. I don't know what
it is that they've thrown at the house at this point.
But it's a disaster. It would undermine ICE, it would
undermine UH deporting illegals. Given this gives today, Yeah, walk

(01:02:18):
me through what you think has happened today.

Speaker 10 (01:02:20):
Okay, what I'm seeing though, Okay, the the compromise that
was passed like early this morning was about funding TSA
and the other homeland security UH programs except for parts
of border control, you know, border patrol and Homeland security enforcement,
and then there was going to be a subsequent discussion

(01:02:41):
bringing that funding into another reconciliation bill. It's not this
complete cave, but what we really need is a full
funding of every enforced immigration enforcement mechanism. President Trump has
said I want everything, and more importantly, he's thinking long.
He wants that SAVE Act passed as well.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Well.

Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
Senator Kennedy's proposal to attach the savec to another reconciliation
bill is good. And we have to remember Senate Majority
Leader John Soon did not want to do another reconciliation.
He's already caving on that. Okay, Okay, let's do another reconciliation.
I'm open to doing it. Bear in mind, too, we've
got to clear out some more rhinos. Tom Tellis is

(01:03:21):
going to be gone. We're gonna get rid of Cornin's toast.
As far as I'm concerned, since President Trump did an
issue an endorsement, this is going to help us immensely.
We must not give up. We shouldn't throw out all
the Republicans or the entire conference because a couple of
rhinos have stifled some of Trump's larger vision. Remember, they're
going to be gone either this year or in the

(01:03:42):
twenty eight cycle. Don't give up. We just have to
really communicate that broader vision. Trump needs to do that.
The upcoming mid term convention will assist with that. I
go back to what I said, You've got to get
all kinds of voters from all walks of life who
say Trump's tariffs did this, Trump's horseman has done that.
Trump's commitment to protecting women in sports and spaces is

(01:04:05):
very important. Look what just happened with the Olympics. The
IOC clearly declared no confused men will be in women's sports. Finally,
this is President Trump's doing, and they need to make
a lot of noise about that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Arthur, I would agree with you that Donald Trump is
doing a lot my concern, and Greg and I have
talked about this, are Republicans in the Senate and the
House doing enough to support that because it seems like
Donald Trump is carrying the ball on everything. Where are
the Republicans in Congress.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
We've got some of them, I mean, I can talk
about Mike Lee, we talked about John Kennedy. We need
to grow those numbers. I think. I am always optimistic,
and it's gotten a little stronger. More voters are paying
attention that they have to clean out the rhinos. It's
not enough to just vote are in the primary and
are in the general. We've got to pay attention to
how committed are they to the MAGA agenda. What we

(01:04:55):
see happening in Texas is a perfect example of how
things are moving in our direction. I am very confident
of this. When you get rid of corn and it
is going to send shockwaves throughout the political establishment, people
are going to start thinking twice before crossing President Trump,
before crossing the grass roots. I am sixty percent confident
that Ken Paxson is going to be the next US
Senator from Texas because that Talariico guy is a total

(01:05:17):
wax and more people can They're going to see how
out of step he is with everyday Texans. This guy
is Jasmine Crockett with lights, with lighter skin, and he's
a little more articulate. People are going to find that
out very quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
So I guess and look, I'm going to ask you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:35):
Too ahead to be very interrupting with and let's talk
about the House. We have seen an unprecedented number of
rhinos and establishment Republicans. They have announced that they are retiring.
This is exactly what we want, that we get that
cleanup process. You're going to have a lot of red
seats that have better House reps. You know, we all
love Marjorie Taylor Green initially, but she wanted to play trader.

(01:05:57):
She wanted to promote herself. She's gone, We're going to
get a better congressman. Maybe he's not as high on
the liberty score, but he's going to be a in
lockstep with Trump's agenda. A lot of these rhinos and
holders from ten or twenty years ago are getting swept
out and we're getting new Republicans who are more committed
to a popular domestic agenda that isn't brought down by

(01:06:18):
corporate interest, open borders, and Forever Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Arthur Shaper, he's with American Grave. Min's kind of a
numb big guy. He says, we get some things done
the gobb Okay, but I'm worried we're gonna get anything done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
So disregard my hater aide, Let's just look at his
glass half full. You know, he's probably right where things
are gonna be fine. Yeah, but boy, time will tell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
One it will all right? Coming up a new effort
to help the Great Salt Lake. We'll talk about that
next right here on the Roding Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Cannis, what's the first
thing that comes to mind when you mentioned the word Utah,
that you're from Utah? What kind of response do you
normally get?

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Are you Amish or Mormon?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah? How many wives do you? How many?

Speaker 18 (01:06:58):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Yeah? Third question, what about the Great Salt Lake? Can
you float in the Great Salt Lake?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Yeah? Yeah, people want to know about that Salt Lake.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, but there's always concern, and especially with the unbelievably
dry winter we've had and the lake continuing to drop.
A lot of efforts, a lot of money being put
into the Great Salt Lake, and we want to talk
now with an organization that is doing what it can
is called Grow the Flow and joining us on our
news Baker line is Jake Dreyfus to talk about that. Jake,
thank you very much. We've heard about Slow the Flow,

(01:07:27):
but what is Grow the Flow all about?

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Yeah, So, Grow the Flow is a nonpartisan community organizing, nonprofit.
It's no mission in mind, which is, you know, building
the public support from the community, our decision makers and
elected officials that we need in order to pass the
policy and funding requests to restore Great Salt Lake as
quickly as possible. And Slow the Flow is an awesome

(01:07:50):
organization led out by the state to bring more awareness
on what people can do to conserve water and ultimately
and hopefully get that conserve water to Great Salt Lake.
And so on one side we're focused on, you know,
the policy, the advocacy. What can the community members do
civically to engage and slow the flow is focused on

(01:08:10):
water conservation, tips to use less water.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
So, Jake, record low snowpack.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
We look up there, we see we had a mild
winter to put it lightly, well, how does that impact
the Great Salt Lake and runoff in the spring.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
You know, long story short, it impacts us significantly. And
so as you mentioned, right, we're experiencing the lowest reservoirs
and in the system. You know, that's more water being
used upstream and less that's ultimately making it to the lake.
And right now we're in a position where, more likely
than not, the lake will likely reach a new record
low by this fall due to you know, an expected

(01:08:48):
hot and dry summer and a below average runoff. You
know already, right we're seeing our snowpack deplete a month
before it should. Right, our snowpack typically peaks around April fifteenth,
and we've already hit that peak, you know, a month
early in our seeing those water resources start to dwindle,
and so we're going to see our reservoirs, you know,

(01:09:09):
reach low levels, and ultimately we're going to see less
water for farmers, less water for cities and towns, and
less water for greats Out Lake, which is the last
stop in our system.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Jake, how much of this is cyclical? I was around
here in nineteen eighty three when we had all the
flooding in eighty three, and years after that real concern
about the lake hitting record high levels. I mean, the
state spent millions of dollars on Norm Bangeter's pumps out
in the desert to try and bring it down. How
much of this is cyclical? Do we have enough of
a historical record to see if it's cyclical and maybe

(01:09:43):
it will come back.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
Yeah, So the amount of water we get or the
amount of stow we get is certainly cyclical.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
We go through periods of drought and then we go
through periods of wet years. Right, that is completely out
of our control and we have to do the best
with what mother nature gives us. But the silver lining
in this issue, as we're talking about Great Salt Lake,
is the rise in the fall of the lake is
not driven by Mother Nature. It's driven by humans. About
eighty percent of the lake's decline is attributed to upstream

(01:10:12):
diversions aka humans using water before it reaches the lake.
So about two thirds of that water use is agricultural,
twenty five percent is municipal, you know, so what residents
are using every day to water their lawns. And then
that remaining five to six percent is from mineral exstructors.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
On the lake.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
And so at the end of the day, we have
the solutions at hand already, and that solution is water
conservation and ensuring that we're getting that conserved water to
Great Salt Lake for years to come.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
So we just concluded a legislative session and it's been
the last few years where I can recall that there's
been bills passed related to the Great Salt Lake in
restoring it. What bills passed this year or didn't pass
this last legislative session that either are going to be
impactful or we miss the opportunity to make an impact.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
Yeah, So when we think about legislation that we need
to save Greatesalt Lake, we kind of break it into
a couple categories. One is, how can we support farmers
to lease and purchase water, to lease and sell their
water or improve agricultural efficiencies so they can keep farming
with less water. And two, how can we ensure that
we're growing with water conservation in mind and moving away

(01:11:25):
from really water intensive landscapes like grass lawns and towards
things like native or drought tolerant landscapes. And so to
that first question on how do we make it easier
for farmers to lease water to greats Out Lake, this
is where we saw the most significant pieces of policy
pass this legislative session to streamline the process and make

(01:11:46):
it easier for farmers to get water to the lake
and be financially compensated for doing so. And so more specifically,
the legislature created a framework in which the State Engineer
now needs to prioritize agreements that are focused on getting
water to the lake. And they also funded the Great

(01:12:06):
Salt Lake Preservation Fund, which is exclusively focused on providing
financial resources for agricultural water leasing. And so this is
a big step forward. There's future work to be done
to make it easier and you know, continue to simplify
the process for farmers to get water to the lake,
but it's also a big step forward. And then on

(01:12:26):
the municipal side, there were some serious missed opportunities. We
had one bill that would set meaningful regulations on new
development for commercial, industrial, and multi use development in the
Great Salt Lake basin, and that bill ultimately ended up
failing and didn't receive a Senate floor boat. And you know,

(01:12:47):
the one thing we can do on the municipal side
right is ensure that for all future growth, right for
the future people that are moving to this wonderful state,
we all get to call home that we're building, that
we're growing in a water conch way. And we also
saw some other pieces of policy focused on, you know,
how we price water to make sure that there's market

(01:13:07):
mechanisms in place that tell people to conserve based on
you know, their monthly water bill. That also didn't make
it across the finish line. And so we saw some
good progress on the agricultural side to make it easier
for farmers to get water to the lake and be
compensated for doing so. But we have a lot of
work to do on the on the municipal side right
to ensure that everyday Utahs who are using water to

(01:13:31):
water their lawns and outdoor landscapes are doing so in
the most efficient way possible.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Got to say that great Salt Lake. Yeah, lot of important.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
You hit on it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
I think that the cyclical nature of nature is going
to be really we we can do our bit, but
it's just a bit. I think Mother Nature and the
man upstairs, I think they they ultimately, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
They got to help us out. That's right, all right.
When we come back, I were listening back Friday segments
all part of The Rotten Gregg Show on this Friday
afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one, all five
dying kN R s what is wrong with some Republicans.
Let's get off on that because it's driving us both nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Going to read the weekend, So.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah, you can leave chill us. You'll be already a host,
all right. At this time. Every Friday, we do what
we call our Listen Back Friday segments. We take a
look at the many of the great newsmakers we talked
to over the week and the issues they discuss, and
play some of those back for you. One we wanted
to play back for you with our conversation with Phil Kirpin,
he's the president of American Commandment, talking about what Donald

(01:14:30):
Trump is thinking about doing with credit cards.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Greig, Yeah, this is an important discussion because I've heard
different Usually there's typical lines to be drawn political left
right on issues like this, but I've heard from people
that are Republican or their conservative supply siders that have
been a little bit concerned about how credit card companies
are doing this, what they're doing with interest rates. Is
it a profit center now instead of a way to

(01:14:53):
empower consumer buying a lot of questions, which is why this.
I think this interview is worth repeating.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, well, Phil As I mentioned President of the American Commitment,
and he wrote an article talking about the president's reckless
war on credit cards, and we asked him what exactly
is the president doing and why is he so concerned
about it?

Speaker 16 (01:15:10):
Well, he's endorsed two different proposals. Basically, they would put
very stringent price controls on the two ways that credit
card companies and banks make money from their credit card products.
One is a ten percent annual interest rate cap, which interestingly,
Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and AOC were for a
fifteen percent until the President decided it should be ten.

(01:15:32):
Then they instantly switched his ten. The President wanted to
do it for one year to kind of help people
dig out of the hole from the inflation bulge under Biden.
But of course, you know, you can't embrace leftist ideas
but try to do them on a temporary basis. You
get out bid immediately. And Bernie Sanders responded to the
President's one year proposal by saying, okay, great, but let's

(01:15:54):
do it for six years. And of course I'm sure
they would want to make it permanent, and then they
also want to put price controls on the swipe seas
that merchants are charged when they run a credit card transaction,
which can be you know, one and a half to
three percent or so, and that's what pays for all
the awards programs and so forth, And so they want
to essentially kill the revenue for credit cards. And if

(01:16:16):
you do that by government regulation, then credit cards will
no longer be available for most Americans, especially if you
did that ten percent interest rate cap. Most industry estimates
I've seen suggest that the new cutoff for who would
be credit worthy would be somewhere around a seven forty
credit score, which is to say, eighty percent of Americans
would no longer be able to have credit cards. Their

(01:16:38):
cards would be canceled, or their limits would be lowered
to almost nothing, and I think that would almost certainly
tip us into recession also, So I think this is
a very dangerous proposal. The President mentioned it once a
couple of months ago, then he didn't mention it again.
So you know, you might say, maybe it was just
a trial balloon and we're in the clear. But I'll
tell you, rod, when you have a bad idea, it's

(01:17:00):
being associated with the far left and suddenly you have
a popular Republican president saying he likes it. It makes
me very nervous because if something could pop up at
any time and you could get you know, enough support
from across the aisle to actually get attached to something.
So that's why we're trying to kind of shine a
spotlight on that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Well, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are no you know,
weather vans for us on this program. So Dulie noted, Phil,
let me ask you this question because I have heard
some frustration about credit card companies generally, or just that
there is People have said, you know, when the Fed
lowers are rates the things you look at as your
auto loans interest rates go down, your credit card rates
go down. People are arguing, and I'm open to this

(01:17:39):
not being true. I hope it's not that there is
a what they call an interest rate harvesting that when
you see the FED go down in terms of interest rates,
your credit card interest rates are staying the same, and
that there's just a there's a greater profit margin or
a vehicle for profit amongst the credit cards, whereas credit
cards were kind of the vehicle for consumer spending. But
if they get bogged down on too high of interest rates.

(01:18:01):
It's it's problematic, is their interest rate harvesting amongst our
credit card companies. When in the fed rollers or rates,
they kind of stay the same.

Speaker 16 (01:18:11):
Typically what happens is for the people who already have cards,
they're pretty hesitant to drop them unless you call and
ask them to. And so when you do have the
when the market moves down, you could probably get a
new card from someone at a lower rate, but the
cards that you already have, you probably have to call
and tell them, hey, can you lower my rate, I'm
gonna switch to a different and then they often will.
But it all depends on your specific risk profile and

(01:18:33):
your credit background and so forth. Because remember we're talking
about unsecured loans. Credit cards are unsecured loans different. It's
very different in a way from a car loan or
a home loan in that there's no collateral to repossess
their foreclothes, and so they've developed pretty sophisticated models to
try to, you know, determine what the non payment risk is.

(01:18:54):
And they've got their own cost of capital, they've got
their administrative costs, and they're over it. Their labor costs
and so forth, But then they've got this payment risk.
The non payment risk doesn't really change when the overall
interest rates in the economy change, their own cost of
capital does, and so you would expect to see a
little bit of a reduction, but a lot of it
still depends on how much risk you present individually as

(01:19:15):
a bar or how much they at risk they think
there is that you will not pay back what you borrow,
and so you know that unsecured nature and that individual
risk model is why typically the rates will stay pretty high,
at least if you look at it on an annual basis,
but of course it's a little more cap The annual
percentage rate can also be pretty deceptive, because of course,

(01:19:36):
you know, if you pay by your due date, you
pay zero interest, and if you carry it balance for
another month or two past that, you're going to be paying.
But you got to divide that annual rate by twelve
and then multiply it by the number of months you're
carrying that balance, which I hope is less than a year,
and so the actual amount of your interest you're using,
if you're using the cards responsibly, is going to be
a lot less than that annualized rate. So there's a

(01:19:59):
lot that goes into it. But what I what I
point out when people complain about this is this is
a super super hyper competitive market. If you've got reasonably
good credit and you're you're you're the best, you want
to do bit you can come or are you going
to one of the new cards even as a zero percent.

Speaker 18 (01:20:19):
Going to have?

Speaker 16 (01:20:19):
And so if you're in a situation where you know
you really need access to credit, you're going to be
caring aboutance for a while because something's come up. I
would tell people, look to open a new card that's
got a zero percent promotional rate on to give yourself
that breathing room. But it's such a competitive market that
there's a lot of deals out there. There are a
lot of deals out there without you know, needing government regulation.

Speaker 7 (01:20:41):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Are you you know we all know that price controls
do not work. Are you surprised that Trumpy is even
thinking about this idea? Is he doing this to show
people that you know, he's concerned about their cost He's
got the midterms coming up? Are you surprised the president
would even think about doing anything like this?

Speaker 16 (01:20:58):
Well, I you know, this is a president who is not.
You know, I think he prides himself on not being
sort of limited by you know, traditional Republican ideology, right,
and so idea is that, yeah, or maybe any ideology.
It'sa that he loves tariffs. I mean, I think, you know,

(01:21:19):
I think he he knows a lot of people are
struggling with credit cardett. He's seeing the numbers out of
the New York Fed and so forth. Although, by the way,
you know, a lot of the reasons we're setting records
in overall consumer debt is that we had so much inflation.
If you inflation adjusted, it's not really flat, and inflation
adjusted per borrower basis, it's actually relatively flat. But I
think he's seen some of these big numbers, and he's saying,

(01:21:40):
you know, you know, what can I do to at
least lean on some of the banks to lower this,
even if we don't actually pass a bill or do
something regulation wide. And so I think some of it
was jaw owning a little bit to put a little
pressure on them to lower rates. But I also just think,
you know, he doesn't necessarily think two, three, four steps
ahead or down the route a number of years of

(01:22:01):
where things lead. He wants to do something. You know,
it's sort of first order thinking, right, I want to
save people money. I'm gonna try to lower their interest rate.
So I'm gonna start talking about this. The problem, as
I said, is, you know, you might think, you know,
it's at one contemporary thing. It's not gonna have a
huge disruptive effect on the market. We're trying to get
people out of the hole they're in because of Biden,
and that's certainly how we framed it. But you know,

(01:22:23):
how do you bid against people like AOC and Bernie
and Elizabeth Laurren who literally don't care if they destroy
the private industry, right, they can always say, you know,
go lower longer, make it permanent, do it forever. And
they've even said, if we destroy private consumer lending, it's okay.
We'll replace it with a government program for consumer lending.
We'll make every post office into a short term lending

(01:22:43):
center and it'll be wonderful. And you know, if you're
if you are, if you don't care, if you destroy
private industry, you're always going to go further with regulation.
And so there's sort of populous messaging. I think it's
a losing game, but I think the President is not
necessarily thinking past. You know, let me try to get
get get people some relief. And you know, I'm a
little bit sympathetic to that, but I think it's a

(01:23:04):
big mistake in this stance.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Phil Kirpin with the American Commitment Organization talking about the
President and the war on credit cards. More coming back
or listen back Friday. Segment continues right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five. Die Can arrests Wild Things.
Greg that the Democrats have been saying about voter ide
every day. Seems like they have a new excuse why
we shouldn't pass.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
I'm going to tell you if you want to just
keep saying married women are just too dumb to be
able to vote ever again in their lives. I'm running
for the hills, man, I am not getting near. People
want to make that argument. Queen Bee doesn't want to
hear it, My daughter doesn't want to hear it. That's
a that's a bad argument. I don't know who's thought
that one up. But that's when you better slowly your role.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Well, the Democrats are and and they're losing. That messaging
certainly is in winning with the American people. We talked
earlier this week with Stacy Matthews, a columnist and a
contributor at the Legal Insurrection, about the Democrats and their
failure on a voter ID messaging. We asked her what
she thought was going on.

Speaker 18 (01:23:59):
Well, my open is that they need to get this
taken care of because these arguments aren't holding water with
the majority of the American people. We've seen it here
in North Carolina. We were kind of a test case
for Democrat arguments back in twenty eleven and going on
for many years after that through the court system, where
Democrats tried to argue that this was racist as discriminatory,

(01:24:21):
and the arguments didn't hold up. Even back then, when
we took polls in North Carolina, a very broad demographic
of voters supported voter ID, and not just voter ID,
but photo ID. You know, some places they have voter ID,
but it's not necessarily a photo ID. North Carolina, we
have photo ID when you go to vote. Eighty percent

(01:24:42):
of the American people support voter ID.

Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
You know, we have.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
This topic has come up on the show, as you
can imagine, and so we've talked about our good Senate
Utah Centator Lee. He's fighting the good fight on this,
and you know, we had a caller calling and his
name was Robert, and he said, you know, when women
get married, they're not going to be able to vote anymore.
And we cautioned Robert that we're married, and we have spouses,

(01:25:08):
and we have daughters that are actually able to vote,
and it would be news to them that if you
got married, your right to vote women's suffrage would then cease,
that you would never be able to vote again if
you were in fact married. We said, it sounds a
little condescending. I don't know, Robert, I don't know if
you want to be saying that out loud. We had
a flurry of calls from listeners that are particularly offended
by this stance that the Democrats have taken that there

(01:25:31):
is some barrier to not be able to vote if
you in fact get married and assume the name of
the person that you're marrying. Where does that rank? I mean,
how much pushback or how much do you hear that?
Because that's a particular that hit a live wire.

Speaker 18 (01:25:44):
As we've discovered, right, it's become like one of the
more fresh Democrat talking points. Originally it was all about racism,
but now they've kind of added the layer of the
woman maybe being disenfranchised because she's been married, which is
complete horsepucky, as we say around here. And there's been
tons of instances. We've seen people on social media, conservative

(01:26:07):
women who just kept for grens and giggles, you know,
have tried to go through the process of getting a
voter ID and they're married women, and they had no
problems getting you know there, you know, photo IDs or
anything like that. So it's just it's just more scare
tactics and fear mongering. And again, the polling shows that women, men, Democrats, Republicans, Independents,

(01:26:30):
white people, black people, Hispanics across the board. And I'm
not just talking about bare minimum percentages. We're talking like
seventies and eighties for percentages for all of these groups
supporting voter RED. And not only do they support voter ID,
but a crucial part of the Stay of America Act,
which is the requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote,

(01:26:51):
a majority of Americans, a solid majority of Americans across
again all demographics, support it. So what's the hold up here?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Stay? I saw went over the weekend as well and
analysts talking about what's really going on here, and it
basically came down to his opinion that it comes down
to Chuck Schumer, because Chuck Schumer is just chicken poop.
Now it comes to I'm saying that nicely, chicken poop
when it comes to making the deity. He's afraid he'll

(01:27:19):
be primaried. He's afraid he'll lose his leadership role in
many ways. Doesn't it really come down to Chuck Schumer?

Speaker 18 (01:27:26):
It may, But here's the thing that Chuck Schumer needs
to think about. Somebody needs to inform Chuck Schumer of this.
In New York City, we found out very recently that
you need multiple forms of ID to be an emergency
snowshoveler the city, including photo ID. So if emergency snowshovelers
in New York City need to have multiple IDs to

(01:27:48):
be able to snowshovel, people should also need photo ID
to be able to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
An interesting part of the debate over the weekend, the
Democrats were trying to say, well, and this was their
good reason, certainly not a real reason. I know, the
items that you have selected to prove citizenship are just
too arduous. We actually like voter ID or voter ID
and having an ID card to vote. But we think
that you Republicans have just made it too hard. So

(01:28:13):
there was an amendment proffered by the Senate Republicans over
the weekend that said, Okay, we'll include a passport, we'll
include some of these legal not your student ID, but
legal ID. You can will include that in the Save
America Act, and the Democrats still blocked it. So my
question is, what you know we're getting past their good,
good reasons why they oppose it. What is what is

(01:28:34):
I mean, it doesn't make any sense election wise to
oppose eighty percent of the of the electorate. What is
it that they're trying to achieve here?

Speaker 18 (01:28:43):
What is it they're trying to achieve is they're trying
to make it easier for illegal immigrants to vote. I mean,
that's that's what all of this is about, is making
sure that criminal illegal immigrants, and not just criminal legal
just the ones that come across the border, not yes
they've committed a crime, that they haven't committed a violent
crime presumably, but still they're illegal and they shouldn't be
allowed to vote in our elections. And they've been getting

(01:29:04):
by with that. Gavin Neilsom has been openly admitting to
illegal immigrants voting in his stay for years, and he's
proud of it. So that's what the argument boils down to.
You know, we saw here in North Carolina when we
get with the voter ID arguments, some of the arguments
the Democrats would make. You know, we tried to make
concessions with Democrats in the state legislature about what they

(01:29:26):
would be okay with in terms of nothing worked.

Speaker 9 (01:29:30):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:29:30):
So there's no pleasing Democrats when it comes to this
issue because they know the moment anything like this becomes law,
especially on a national level, is going to really hurt
them with the core group of voters that they want
to keep, which are the illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
On our Newsmaker line and part of our list back
Friday presentation, Stacy Matthews with Legal Insurrection talking about the
Democrats failure on voter ID messaging. Greg, it's been all
over the place. Yeah, they the American people still like
this idea.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
There's a reason it's an eight to twenty fifteen issue.
It's because they're not making a word of sense and
what they're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Arguing they aren't it. Well, that does it for us.
This week, Greg Safe travels.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Thank you. Have a good weekend, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
We're heading into a beautiful weekend. By this sounds so thanks.
Head up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your
family and this great country of ours. Be safe out there,
and we'll talk to you Monday at four. Have a
good weekend.

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