The Rod and Greg Show: Trump Removes U.S. from WHO; Trump Dominates in Davos

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Things keep going on, but uh yeah, we have a
lot to unpack.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah we do.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
We do this show here.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
It is the Rotten Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine KANU Rets live everywhere
on the iHeartRadio app. As you mentioned, we're at the
Morris Columbus Travel ex bo. I think it's going to
be a good year for travel. There are a lot
of people here today and it just started a couple
of hours ago. They're all coming to see our guest
will be coming up in a few minutes. They want
to see him in that ugly Hawaiian show. Yeah, pointing

(00:31):
at himself.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
But also the greatest you know rugby high school coach ever.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
He's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you know he's in the Hall of Fame in
a movie about him?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah? I know they did.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
And it's not even his day jobs, like he's he's
a travel guy and he's in the Hall of Fame
for something he doesn't even brag about.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's that's that's just Larry.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, he's humble, unlike someone I know.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Uhy, Larry don't worry again all the time, he gets
it all the time.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Larry don't worry.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
This is verbal rugby. We play here. Yes, yeah, I
got thick skin.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, we're gonna be talking a lot about a lot
of issues today, Greg, We're all talk about the US
finally made a great decision. No more will our tax
dollars be going to the World Health Organization.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's no more, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
It's about time.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It is about time.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
I don't think they didn't show well during COVID. I
think they all were proven to be, if not crazy,
well wrong, if not crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So I think that it's that's all. That decision is
long over.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about how the
president Donald Trump. I think it's fair to say owned Davos. Oh,
it was, it was. It was Donald Trump, just trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Call it Donald's from Just call it Donald's. I don't
know who this death Doavos guy is, but it was.
Don We just call it Donald's.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Just call it.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Renamed the town not Davos, but no Donald's Donalds. So
we'll talk about that. We'll talk about uh uh free choice,
school choice in America and Utah report came out.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
We do very well when it comes to the issue
of school choice.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
You and I tomorrow will be am seeing a big
event about school choice.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
We'll be at the wan Diego High School in Draper,
and it's an annual celebration of school choice. And we
did it last year, uh, to great applause. I mean
it was it was an embarrassment of Riches people the
way how we were received as mcs. And I'm sure
it'll be, you know, the encore. I think it'll be
the same tomorrow, but no if anyway, it's it's a
it's a fun event tomorrow that we'll be at.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
And speaking of fun events, it's fun to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, we're at the travel X. Well it is all right.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Story of the day, and this story continues. Greg is
the the the anti Ice narrative about Ice detaining a
five year old boy in Minneapolis.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know yet story conversation with someone today who was
confused as to whether that was a if Ice really
did mistreat this five year old or not, and I said,
it's actually not up for debate. He they you know,
they did not, and they said we can't trust media anymore.
And in some media says he did, some media says
he doesn't. I said, well, the Brice President United States

(03:00):
was on the ground of Minnesota yesterday looked into it
himself and personally reported that the narrative is absolutely false.
And if you can't trust your vice president, I don't
know what we'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Let me ask you this, Greig, where was the concern.
Where was the concern when it was learned that the
Biden administration lost track of what three hundred and sixty
four thousand migrant.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Kids that's right on a company miners or they lost
them or what. The whistleblower said, he was a lifelong Democrat,
said strangers would pick them up, and they would allow
them to leave with people that were not related to them,
that they had no touch on or even new and
they allowed that to happen. So one hundred and sixty
four thousand missing on a company minors and ones that
had been picked up picked up by strangers and that

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had been.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Permission, and nobody is raising concern about them. But this
one little boy, and the narrative is that ice detained him. Well,
that is simply not the case. The Department of Homeland Security,
the assistant director there in Minneapolis, spoke to the media
today and tried to shed even more light on what
happened to this little five year old boy play that
if you would he right.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
When officers approached knejarias he and his child were in
a vehicle, Adias fled from law enforcement on foot, abandoning
his child in the middle of winter in a vehicle.
One of our officers stayed behind with that child while
other officers apprehended his father. After conducting the arrest, my

(04:26):
officers stayed with the child. They cared for him, took
him to get something to eat from a drive through restaurant,
and spent hours ensuring he was taken care of. Again,
my officers did that, not his father. My officers did
everything they could reunite him with his family. Tragically, when
we approached the door of his residence, the people inside
refused to take him in and open the door. Let

(04:49):
me say it again, they saw the young boy and
they refused to open the door and take him back.
This is the human side of the job of that
my officers do. They are family men and women, They
have children of their own. They sacrifice everything for their families.
For a fact that they were heartbroken to see the

(05:12):
child's own family leaving behind.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's a pretty sad story. You have life, going to arrest,
going to get his father. His father takes off. They
try and take the little boy back into his home
where his family is. They refuse to answer the door.
So they're leaving this little five year old boy out
in the colt. Different story than what you're getting from
the anti ice protest.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
And we're not talking Yeah, and we're not talking like
an axios leftist, you know, fringe news source. We're talking
ABC News. We're talking major networks of regime media. But
it's ones that people would watch and assume what they're
hearing isn't the polar opposite of the truth. But that
is the case that what they're saying it has no
reflection on the reality of what happened.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, they're just totally totally ignoring it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
And we'll continue to follow that story line throughout the
day on the show.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
They don't want to meet you, yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
They say, are you roight Okett and I just sit here.
It just starts to get awkward.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
They just want to meet you. That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm not happy. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for
the show. We have so many of our listeners here.
It's fun to meet listeners and and and get to
meet them.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, it's all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
It is all the time. Well, it's official, and I
think it's a great idea. The United States, Greg has
now cut dies with the World Health Organization, And my
question is what took us so long?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Seriously?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
They they they, I mean there was no wet market
where COVID started, and we've been we've known this really
for months after it happened.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
It all sounded pretty suspect from the start.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
But now the World Health Organization, Uh, it has such
an adversarial you know role, and and Americans lives even
around the world.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So I just think it was it's overdue.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk all
about this is our next guest. He is the executive
director of the Taxpayers Production Allow Protection Alliance. His name
is Ross Marshawn Ross. How are you welcome to the
Raw and Greg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Thanks great to be on your show. Ross.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Let me ask you this, As I mentioned at the beginning,
it is about time.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
What took the United States so long to figure this out?

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Ross, That's a great question, and it's been clear for
years and GPA has been analyzing this issue for years.
The WHOW is just a bad faith actor and it
steals money, and you know, to put it very charitably,
to put it very mildly, they misappropriate these tax fi
your dollars and put it towards all sorts of just

(07:38):
terrible end goals. So for example, they helped China cover
up COVID cases early COVID cases, and they try to
shame smokers from using reduced risk alternatives to quit cigarette.
So WHO has been a mess for years.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
So again, it's been mess for years. So and Trump's
been in office for just a year. But why do
you think it was? Because you've seen a lot of action.
I mean, one thing this president does is he doesn't
waste a lot of time. I would have thought that
this was eleven months and what twenty nine days too late?
Is there a reason why they even there was? The

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severing ties didn't happen any earlier than now.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
Yeah, one word formality is so President Trump had to
give a year notice. Now he kicks started withdrawal from
the WHO in twenty twenty, but of course a lot
of stuff got in the way and President Biden reversed that.
So it took a few years of going one direction
and going another direction. But better late than never.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Let me ask you this ross, there's no doubt that
the US is really the world leader and protecting public
health and saving lives responding rapidly to health outbreaks. I mean,
can the WHO even exist anymore if the United States
isn't there?

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Yes, they can exist, but they're going to have to
do some soul search because for such a long time
they've just been so wasteful and so ineffective. So I
think it takes a large country like the United States
to say, you know what we are done with you guys,
for the WHO to say, look, we really need to
change the way that we do business. And of course
that desperately needs to happen at the WHO and the

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UN as welcome that that.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, for our listeners, what what does it even mean?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
So I can tell you what it meant to me
during the year, during the time of COVID and the
draconian rules mandates quarantines that we all endured, But what
would it mean. What does it mean today for our
listeners for the United States to disassociate itself with this organization.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
I mean, the tax payers don't have to spend five
hundred million dollars per year anymore on an organization that
tells you what to do based on misinformation. They pass
all these mandates, all these controls, and the spending goes
towards what lavish travels by WHO employees, goes towards mandates
that are just terrible and ill formed and unenforceable. All

(10:01):
these terrible things, fortunately now are coming to an end
and taxpayers in the US will not be on the
line any longer for it roll.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
So let me ask you this question. We've talked about
the impact this will have on the WHO. What impact
does this have on the United States of America and
the people who are Americans? Now that we're out of it?
Is this going to mean? Are there benefits for us
here in the United States knowing that we no longer
have to spend money on the WHO.

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Sure? Well, I think it frees up money to go
back to taxpayers pockets, go back towards families, and they
could spend that money that five hundred million dollars per
year as they see fix, instead of again footing the
bill for these you know, lavish travel expenses, these high
end hotels, first class air travel, that money belongs in
American's pockets, not international bureaucraft.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
The thing I think any if you asked anyone about
the WHO or any of these health organizations, they're just bossy,
just telling us what to do.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Tell us our kids can't see. DC gets in this
mix too.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
But in terms of directives, things that people that institutions
would adopt, is there anything by way of the World
Health Organization that we have had part of our you know,
our normal day life that we no longer get bossed
around by this group, or if this group's absent and
they're not the political cover maybe some of the other
health recommendations that we're told we have to do, does

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that change at all? So aside the taxpayer savings, there's
got to be something where I'm not being bossed around
as much.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
So the WHO has this sub agency called the Cancer
Research Agency, and they look at all these products ranging
from coffee to ali vera juice, and they label all
these products as cancer causing. And what happens when they
make those determinations is states like California place bans and

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restrictions on these products accordingly, and as goes California, as
goes the rest of the nation. We all pay the
price in terms of restrictions, and they all come from
the WHO saying, hey, coffee causes cancer, out of their
juice causes cancer, and various like herbs caused cancer. It's

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just it's not grounded in any evidence, and customers have
been paying the price for years.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Ross Well, I meant WHO has been around since what
about nineteen forty eight as a result of the United Nations?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And what happened there?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Was it always out of control or did it just
get worse the longer it lived.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
I mean, they got worse as time went on. So
it happened was I think you had these bureaucrats who
you know, at first they lived within their means more
or less that over time, like then the coffers opened
up and us began putting more and more of the
bills for the WHO and the beer. They realized, hey,
we have a blank check. We could spend this money
anyway we want without accountability, and things only got worse

(12:54):
from there.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Ross great information, good news for the United States and
the taxpayers and everybody else.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Thank you for your.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Time, Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
All right, that's.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Rossy's executive director, of the Taxpayers Protection Coalition, And can
you name one thing the who has done for you
and your family?

Speaker 10 (13:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think who is a good word. I think you
don't even say why?

Speaker 4 (13:19):
By the way, yes, is there anything better looking than
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
And they said goodbye. They were leaving, they wanted to
say goodbye. They saying goodbye.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
But the hat, the hat makes whatever they're wearing. It
puts the whole ensemble together. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And we're autographing them for him.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
We did, we were asked to.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
So we are broadcasting live from from the he raised it.
Now it's worth a good point. We're podcasting live from
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Speaker 11 (15:14):
Donald Trump's number one enemy in Congress Chicago.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
We've got our whole plan trip to Greenland all worked
out for you. I think you get a free you
get a free maga hat the where you go, it's
gonna be, it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, uh, speaking of travel, the President logged a few
miles this week, Yes he did. He was in Davos,
back and forth, Davos, you name it. But I have
never seen a president of the United States dominate that
conference the way he did this week.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
He he he commanded the room in the speech, but
it was not just him, but it was all the
people from his administration that came that I thought made
such great points. And while they were all saying, oh,
he wants to invade, he wants to invade Greenland, they're
getting they're getting a deal. In real time, the NATO
comes and says he's right in terms of the world's
nationalscurity and world security. So I think, I don't they

(16:03):
really need to rename Davos Donald's.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's the name of it. Donald's.

Speaker 11 (16:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that right now is Fred flintch He's Vice chair of
the Center for American Security at the American First Policy Institute. Fred,
how are you welcome to the Rodden Greg Show. Thanks
so much for joining us, Fred, appreciate your time tonight.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Fred.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Let me ask you, as I mentioned at the beginning,
have you ever seen a president go to Davos and
dominate that comfortence the way Donald Trump did this week?

Speaker 10 (16:33):
No, I think it really was a staric. And remember
the hysteria we saw midweek where European leaders are saying, well,
this is going to be the end of Native the
end of the rules base order. They were talking about
sending a couple dozen troops to Greenland. I think they
did send them there, but they weren't there very long.
And Trump came in and Greenland wasn't even a priority.

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He first talked about his foreign policy successes. He bashed
the Europeans pretty hard for their really abysmal economic and
energy policies, and then he got around the Greenland and said, well,
I have this deal that the Native Secretary of General
helped negotiate and I'm not going to invade. It really
took the wind out of the sales of these Europeans

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who were losing their mind?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Did he Fred? Did he get what he wanted? Do
you think out of Greenland?

Speaker 10 (17:24):
It looks like he will. And it's some kind of
an agreement where we will have sovereignty under the basis
that we have in Greenland, mineral rights, some broader right
to use Greenland, and China and Russia will not be
allowed to have a presence. And the President said this
is everything we wanted, so I guess he did.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
So there was a moment and maybe I don't know
if it was edited or not, but it just seemed
to be just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
He said, you know, China's they're not dumb.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
They build these worthless windmills for stupid people. And then
he says, you know, Europe's got a lot of windmills.
I just thought that was that was just a smacked
Did it really come across like that or did someone
show me an edited speech, because it sounded that's the
way it read.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
He just said that will mills are for stupid people,
and he just talked about how countries like the UK
that has vast oil resources in the North Sea, but
because of left wing energy policies, it increasingly can't be drilled,
So the Brits are now relying on sources of energy

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that's extremely unreliable because you know, we don't know when
the wind will blow, and you know, the economies in
these countries are really suffering.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
They are Fred After he gave that speech the day
of I started the show off by saying, Donald Trump's
got a lot of guts. I mean, he stood in
front of these these leaders, sixty or eighty leaders from
Europe and early on the world, and he said, without
the United States, you would be speaking German and Japanese today.
I mean that took a lot of guts right in

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front of them to say, without us, you may not
even be here.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, I took some guts.

Speaker 10 (19:13):
And you know what sort of sparks this what sparks
this tension and you make And I saw this between
between the Trump terms, was this incredible hostility by the
European elite, by the European media about Trump. And I mean,
they certainly did this during the first term, and Trump
remembers this. The fact is that they were openly campaigning

(19:34):
against him. They were not taking him seriously, and even
as president, you can see frequently these European leaders they're
they're they're trying to basically wait him out, and then
you know Trump presents it.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know, the leftist didn't have a good day or
a good week there at Davos. I mean, I think
al Gore went and they and he didn't really make
himself very popular. But I what's what's the story with Canada?
I understand the prime minister got up and left it
some point during the conference. Uh, I mean, they're they're
North America. Does what does that does that send? Did
that sour it at all? For Donald Trump and what

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he intended to do at this economic summary?

Speaker 10 (20:12):
Karon has a far left prime minister that has talked
about trying to replace the United States with China. And
I was in Canada conference a few months ago, and
I really couldn't believe this, But I talked to our
ambassador Keith Hoachher he's an old friend of mine, and
he just was saying he's having a terrible time with

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the Canadian government because of these far left wingers who
who are who are so angry at the United States.
And you know, we're seeing in these countries they're moving
in a different direction in terms of culture and civil rights.
You know, the censorship of people for saying the wrong thing.
It's a real problem in the u K. It's becoming

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a big problem in Canada.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
To Fred has always read he having you on the
show and your analysis of this. Thank you and enjoyed
the week again.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Thank you, Fred, you too, Thank you. All right, Fred.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Flights talking about Donald Trump and his domination of the
Davo Summit this week. Well, one of our assistants here, Dave,
just came by and told us something. There there are
protesters outside our building. Well, not outside our building, just
a couple of buildings down. You didn't even know this.
I didn't is the Department of Homeland Security office here
in here in Utah.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Why aren't we broadcasting live from their place? I just,
you know, just that appreciation for all the good data.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, we probably should.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
But apparently today is a big walkout day they organized
and they're asking people all around the country don't open
their businesses, don't go to school as part of an
anti ice demonstration.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, did they have an anti fireman demonstration for the
fires that are out that the fireman try.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
To put out? I guess that would that would.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
But apparently Dave was saying as our vehicle drove by,
they they gave us the one finger salute.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
They said, we're number one, were're number one.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, they give us.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
One in the market, number one of the time slot
drive time. Thanks for noticing, folks, That's what I say
to them.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, we do appreciate it. Appreciate you noticing.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
And uh and uh we like that because that thing
is going nowhere, to be honest and not here. No, no,
it's not going here at all.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
We love public safety and we're pretty much against lawlessness.
I don't even think that's a partisan position. I think
we just hate lawlessness.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
We do. I mean, shouldn't we all hate lawlessness? Wouldn't
you think?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Hey, did you see that weird trophy that the FBI
gave themselves for Operation Arctic Frost going after the president
that Patel no really at the FBI, so get this the.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Public They have a public corruption division.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Uh and and they awarded themselves weirdly a a a
trophy give congratulating themselves for the the the the Arctic
Frost investigation that they had turned over to Jack Smith
really and so that he showed what this trophy looked
like and what I think cash Ptel was trying to

(23:03):
show is look at the mindset of the people that
were in this building. Look at the look at how
they you know, we're talking about what was then the
past president.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Anyway, you want.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
To talk about it law fair, and you want to
talk about going after political opponents, and it's just give
themselves a trophy to take what they do so lightly
and to be so draconian about it. Anyway, I saw
that trope. It's not even a nice trophy either, by
the way, I wouldn't want that trophy.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Nice trophy.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Well, we've got another hour coming up of well, we've
got two hours coming up. We're just at the start.
Hour number two is coming on his way. We open
up the phones to our great, great listeners talk about
whatever is on their mind tonight. It's always fun.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yes, yeah, we can you come back, folks. You want
to hear from you as well yours Friday. What's on
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Yeah, I just get a little bit annoyed they can't
ever and win any of these things that we do.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, all right, we want to open up the phones
to you tonight and our talkback line as well, because
you know, I spent a crazy week.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Again.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
It seems like every week you've got this crazy story
about ice detaining a five year old boy. Make sure
you understand what happened here, because it's not what the
narrative you're hearing from the elite media right now. It
is not that, but they're trying to make it that.
We had the president who I think made an historic
speech before Davos eighty world leaders, and he basically laid

(25:46):
it on the line as to how important America is today,
how well the economy is doing, what are we doing
for worldwide security? I think he really made a wonderful pitch.
And then the other one that we want to talk about,
Gregan both you and I saw this today. This may be,
I think great, one of the most ridiculous public opinion
polls I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
It really is. It is so unhinged. It has to
be done deceptively. I don't think you could be dumb
enough to put this out there and report it the
way they're doing it. It's it's yeah, I think it's
I think it's it's done on purpose to be manipulative.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well, the poll was conducted by the Economists, which is
a very liberal UK publication, and they think you're so smart. Yeah,
they think they're so marked. Well, the poll says Americas
say the US is out of control, and it's not
just liberals now their course, they of course are blaming
Donald Trump for the country being out of control.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Surprise, surprise, this opinion piece, and it's in the USA today,
but it is saying that seventy one percent believe that
this country is out of control. Fifty percent of respondents
identified as conservatives, so that the conclusion of this calumnist
is even the Republicans themselves think Donald Trump is out
of control, not the country. Somehow, when you say I

(27:03):
think the country's out of control, you must not be
talking about the places of worship that have been invaded
by the anti Ice people, the chaos and fear they're
fermenting as stopping Ice, confronting Ice. Everything that the left
is doing to do exactly that create fear and chaos,
would lead any reasonable people to believe that there is

(27:23):
things are out of control. This calumnist puts none of
that on the left and puts us squarely in the
lap of the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's crazy. It's absolutely a crazy conclusion.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I want to ask you, Greg, how many people who
are supportive of Donald Trump, mega folks and others as well,
seventy seven million of us. How many of them have
you seen marching in the streets of late?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Have you seen any No?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
How many of them have you seen invading a church? Yeah?
Have you seen any of them?

Speaker 7 (27:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, No.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
How many of you have been banging pots and pans
outside of hotels to keep officials awake?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I would say zero?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
None.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Right, So who is out of control? The people who
are common sense, fair minded Americans who supported the president
or those who don't. Who's more out of control in
this country today?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I'm going with I'm going to take leftist liberals for
one hundred. Right, I'm gonna take that. That's my answer.
That's my final answer.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But that's what that poll says. It's because of Donald
Trump and the things that he's trying to do.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
That's seventy percent of the country disapproving the country's out
of control.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
No, that is not the conclusion. It's not even the
question they asked.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
They just asked, do you think this country's out Do
you think it's out of control?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And say yes.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Don't exclude yourself, economists, your worldview, or the columnist who's
writing this that his worldview, that you're the reason that
people feel that it's out of control.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know the thing about this too.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
The subtitle here is the siege in Minneapolis a prime
example of Trump and chaos.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay, yes, what's the problem in Minnesota? Greg?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
If local police, both city, state, county would work with Ice,
we wouldn't have any of this that's going on with
the protests, but they don't want to. They're a sanctuary state.
So Ice is doing his job and then doing this job.
It has to go in and find these people, and
you know, it's a tough job, and it wouldn't it

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doesn't have to be this way. That's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
And I'm going to tell you that when you have
an open border that no other presidential administration, red without
regard to party, has ever had to confront where deportations
and removals were always centered around the border states and
counties where this occurred, where to remove or to deport.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was actually geographically practical.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
But you can't do that when Biden's administration, in cooperation
with nngo's what by bus or plane, relocated people by
the millions where we were saying very commonly, including in Utah,
every state's now become a border stated to undo that
chao it was created over that time, It is going
to take an extraordinary effort. The effort you're seeing to

(30:05):
enforce immigration law is in response to the disaster that
has happened to this country in terms of that border
and the placement of people throughout the country.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well, and I want you to keep this in mind, everybody.
Much is being made right now of Ice and the
little five year old boy in mineapp Yes, okay, the
narrative out there is Ice arrested.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Him and detained him.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I want to ask those on the left where was
your outrage when we learned that it was at three
hundred and sixty four thousand migrant children who came across
this border illegally. We have no idea where they are.
Where is that outrage under Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, we didn't see it in real time when it happened.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
And why I actually take offense to that is because
of how we know that. We don't know that from
what the left would say is some right wing you know, influencer.
You had a lifelong registered Democrat who was an employee
of the Border Patrol who was watching this and went
as a whistleblower, Yeah, to say in we have this

(31:04):
problem and I can't get anyone to do anything about it,
but it's real. It is a danger to these children.
That was the testimony in Congress by this whistleblower who
is not a Republican. So no one can try to
the left can't dismiss what you just shared by way
of tragedy of these children as some right wing conspiracy
or something. This is information that we learned from a

(31:27):
whistleblower that worked at border the Border Patrol, who was
not a Republican, but was someone who was sick and
felt like there's something that should be done.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Okay, this survey says America is out of control? Who's
to blame for that? We want to get your phone
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(31:57):
eight zero one zero. This is the hour where we
talked about anything that is on your mind. We've had
a listener been waiting for a while and we want
to get to him right away. It is Ben in Spanish.
Fork Ben, how are you welcome to the Roden Grag Show.
What's on your mind tonight?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Ben?

Speaker 9 (32:12):
Thank you so much, Rodin Greg. I'm an Inner Mountain
employee and I'm one of the one third that just
had their pension frozen. It's super frustrating to be an
e be an employee and be loyal to the company.
And I'm not counting on Social Security being there when

(32:33):
I retire. But I was counting on this tension being there,
and I've got eight people in my department who've been
there at least ten years. Most employed healthcare employees only
stay in their job for four years. So you've got
quality people because the company keeps you on and we're
loyal and we want to take care of those in

(32:56):
our community. But now there's no incentive for us to stay.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
So can you tell us do you know why that
is happening? I'm surprised to hear. Did you say IHC? Yeah, yeah,
So that's yea.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
The big point.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
You're you're the big, you're the big, you're the boss,
and you taught in terms of healthcare delivery.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
How is that the case?

Speaker 9 (33:20):
They said for the financial future of the company. But
I don't I don't know all the ins and outs
of everything. I know that the CEO had four point
one million dollars put in his retirement account this year,
and so the people at the top, they're still getting
their bonuses, they're still getting their retirement but everybody else

(33:42):
at the end of this year will have their retirement frozen.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And Ben, let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
You mentioned the people in your department, is it is
it system wide? Are there other departments they'll be affected
by this, do you know.

Speaker 9 (33:55):
It's every employee at the department. So back in twenty twenty,
they stopped offering pension plans to anybody hired after twenty twenty.
I was hired in I think twenty eighteen. Now, any
anybody who's been at the company from twenty nineteen previous

(34:18):
will have their pension prosenow. I think my boss lost
about a million and a half dollars when they decided
to freeze that. He'll get the money that he is
accrued in his pension, but he will not accrue any
more money.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Wow, those are those are tough decisions that time, and I.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Feel sorry for you. And that's tough.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
That's and that's the feedback there is important because I
have this theory that big business and big government. I
just think crony capitalism is not free markets. And I
think that crony capitalism is happening more and more. We're
seeing the consolidation of companies. We're seeing you know, I
see in Utah enjoys a very unique regulatory relationship where
they have their that Select Health is their insurance company.

(35:02):
The number of healthcare facilities they have, you couldn't start
a new healthcare network that looks like I see today,
because it would be it would violate and federal antitrust laws.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
It has been grandfathered in.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
And I just I just worry about the consolidation of
a lot of companies they see has since grown out
of state in Nevada and other states. And I think
that it's too bad, just too bad.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
All right, we're taking our phone calls.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
We before we went to the break, we talked about
this ridiculous survey that we found in USA today today Today,
where basically it was done by the economists and you
go of two very liberal organizations and basically says, or
according to the headline of this that Americans say the
US is out of control and not just liberals. And
guess who they blame gone from surprise, surprise, right.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
So yeah, the arsonist blames the fireman for the fire.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
That is really what honestly, that's what the guy is
trying to say.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Now, before we get to your calls, more your calls
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, I
want to share I tell you what I don't think Greg,
that Gavin Newsom will ever recover from the ATTACKSI space
this week from Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, And it's so funny because Scott Besson isn't a
tough guy.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
He's kind of awkward.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
He kind of you know, he just has you know,
the way he speaks, it's very measured.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
And he just.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Whooped Governor Gavin Newsom. He just did not give him.
I mean, he just he just beat him. Well, he
had a lot to say.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
That was at Doubles. He was at it again today
or I think it was yesterday.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
He was some you know, business for him and he
was asked about Gavin Newsom listened to what he had
to say.

Speaker 12 (36:38):
I think Gavin Newsom may be cracking up with some
of these things he's saying.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think he may be in over his hairdoo.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
And being on the national stage is very different than
being governor of California with no signature achievements. But to
say strange things like President Trump is a Tyrannosaurus rex.
What the hell does that mean? You know, I could
say Gavin Newsom is a bronosaurus with the brain the
size of a walnut. And if he brought the knee pads,

(37:06):
maybe that was for his meeting with Alex Soros.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I don't know, and he Scott Bessen looks like one
of the nicest guys in the world.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
He is one of the nicest guys in the role.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
But he just said Gavin newsim has the brain the
size of a walnut, is what he just said. And
he might I don't. I don't question him. I think
he's accurate, but you know, he just.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
He's in over his hairdoo coming come on, that's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
I'm yeah, I love it, and I love it coming
from Scott Bessen because again, very very I think he's
a very measured guy, kind of awkward and his uh,
his speaking stylar as cadence, he pulls it all together. Well,
when he's talking about Gavin news he's got down.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
If you think about it, Newsom is an easy target anymore. Well,
the guy doesn't know what he stands.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Well, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
He taught that he should get on podcast because that
seemed to be all the raging. So he starts saying
things like, well, I don't support boys playing in girls sports.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I never did.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I got in trouble.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
He always did, and then he resumed that position after
he got in so much trouble for having said that
in a podcast. He's all over the place, and there's
just too much. There's too many receipts by way of
podcast videos, social media posts for him to hide from.
As Secretary, Besson said, not one single signature achievement achievement
in the state of California.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, other than higher taxes and the people leaving the
state down a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, greatest out of a state, out of California.

Speaker 12 (38:32):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
They've never shrunk sensus, the census until he got on
the clock.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, I knew some slogan should be, what'd you do
for California?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I am d dd AM.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I got everybody out. I got everybody else, at least
the taxpayers. I did others I kept.

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Almost gone? I want to leave it to you, but
that scares me.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
I know, well, that would be That would be scary
if you did do that. But but boy, it has
been a blast to be here. It is so there's
so much happening. But how many great listeners have we
been able to meet?

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They have been great.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It's just been so great to see people that say
they voted for you.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yes, yes, just such.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Sensible actually voted for you.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes, they're such good people.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But you didn't lose people.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Well, that's because you know, there's few the good people.
There's just not as many as the.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
The bad people.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, well we're we're we're talking right now as you
had to. We're we'll talk with Larry Gailwigs more about
the expo here in just a minute. But we're talking
about America out of control. I don't think America is
out of control, do you, well? A section of it
out of control.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Everything I see that's out of control is being is
the authored by by created by the left and the
leftists and the regime media that they're doing it all.
And then someone says, well, people say it's out of control,
it must be Trump's fault.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
If I don't know, you can connect those dots and
the colating a couple of realities we're living through at
the same time.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, and they blame it on Trump. What is Trump
done to make it out of control?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, he exists, that's his problem. Exists.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
If the man walked on water, they say, they accused
him of not knowing how to swim, I'm telling you
they don't. There's nothing he can do that they can
they they will take Maduro over him. They wanted him
out as much as anyone else. Had a twenty five
million dollar bounty on Nicholas Maduro's head out of Venezuela.
He gets them out in eighty eight minutes, No fatalities, nothing,
gets them out in eighty eight minutes. And the Democrats

(40:44):
are livid that he did it. They're just burning candles
for Maduro. They think they feel so badly.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Wait, wait, didn't they hold a no king's protest a
short time ago? Yeah, but it was like a king
or a dictator.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
He was a despot, you know, he had that kind
of king vibe to him. You know, he had that feel.
But you know, they get to the UK where they
do have a monarchy, and they that made it a
little awkward too, because they like that king too.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Well, I just think this whole idea, this survey was,
what were the numbers?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Great?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Seventy one percent of Americans feel like the country is
out of control, and.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
We do see the thing is yeah, but not for
the reasons the column thinks it's not.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
They're not blaming Trump.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
They're the authors of the of the chaos that does
make it feel out of control, at least in some
areas of the country.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
And I have a theory on this. When I was
growing up, I know and Larry when we were growing up.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Don't bring Larry into your era thirty he was not.
He was he wasn't born yet. I'll be bringing him
into your decade.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
But it is so different because in today's world, with
all the technology that we have, we get news instantly.
I mean, you could sign up for an app to
find out if there's a minor car accident in Pakistan
for crying out loud.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I mean, that's how fast it is today.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
That's why I think there is a perception amongst people
that we are out of control, when in fact it's
really not that much different in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Now, I look, I do think that the news cycle
is twenty four to seven three sixty five. It's it's
so much different than it used to be. But to
your point, what we always criticize the regime media and
we say that, you know, the confidence level is very low.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
But I'm not kidding you. They can take this five
year old.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
That that Ice didn't do anything, that that that the
person abandoned their son, they took care of him. But
they can say Ice is has taken has taken this
child and is using it as bait, and the world
to some degree believes it, and this narrative flies. And
I was asked about it today and I'm saying, look,
the vice president the United States, if you don't trust
or you do trust media sources, the vice President's not

(42:44):
going to lie the American people. And he was on
the ground in Minnesota yesterday and he said, I want
to know, he has a five year old. He wanted
to know the answers, and he reported back that the
real story. You can trust that to the extent you
want to trust your vice president more than the media.
But look at this wasn't some axios that reported ABC News,
NBC they tried to say Ice was abducting five year old.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, when it's just.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Fundamentally, verifiably fu a lie.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Does that feel out of control? That would feel out
of control to me.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, but it's what if they're the authors of that
kind of of chaos.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, and that's really too bad.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
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(43:38):
As we're talking about is America out of control? Let
me give you an example of how America is out
of control, greg Or. It was until Donald Trump arrived
for a second term in the White House. Ken Griffin,
head of a multi billion dollar hedge fund it's known
as Citadel, based in Chicago. But they're moving out of Chicago.
They said they can't stay there anymore because of the

(43:59):
cost of everything. Spoke at the World Economic Forum in
Dubbles this week as well, and he talked about how
Joe Biden wrecked the US economy listen to this.

Speaker 13 (44:09):
You cannot imagine how painful it was each and every
day under the Biden administration to look at what new,
crazy proposal was being put into place to solve a
problem that didn't even exist. I mean, our constant friction
at Citadel with the government across unteen different aspects of

(44:34):
our business was exhausting. And to have that literally end
on one day, Election day, just gives you so much
energy as I'm shore to go back and build your
damn business.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That's a pretty amazing comment.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It is how the Biden administration did everything they could
do to wreck business, to throw out, you know, solutions
to problems that didn't exist, all the regulations that they
had to deal with, changing almost every day, and he says,
almost wrecked our business. Donald Trump is in it changed
in one day.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Wow, I'll say this.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
I appreciate the candor, and I commend him for being
honest about how ridiculous and how difficult it was. But
I hope going forward, if we ever see these leftists
ever get un you know, undue control over this country
or its processes where companies are going through that again,
don't tell why don't you tell us while we're in

(45:31):
the event, why doesn't these companies step up and start telling,
you know, saying that these things are happening in real time,
not after Biden's been defeated and that administration has been
shown the door. I would like to see a pushback
from the nonsense and the anti you know, pro economy,
pro you know Democratic republic principles that we have.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I mean, we're a free market, we're free ideas.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
If they felt that strongly about it, it would have been
good to hear from some of those those CEOs and
businesses when it was all happening. You know, the.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Attitude that Donald Trump has brought to the White House,
and really, I think to this country, Donald Trump a businessman. Yes,
Donald Trump realizes if people have money in their pocket,
break that they not only can buy the basic necessities
for a family, but maybe an enjoy a trip like
they find out here, expot or do something their family
has always wanted to do or purchase that makes them happy.

(46:29):
And that's what he's trying to do for the American people.
And impeding business like the Biden administration did is not
going to help anybody out at all.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
And here's the thing you're talking about. The American dream.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
It's why people came to this country from different places
to be able to have the freedom of self determination,
to have liberty, to have freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
right to bear arms, all these things. This drew people
from all over the world to a place to exercise.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
All of that liberty and freedom.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
And you know what he does when he goes overseas,
he goes to the Middle East, he goes somewhere else,
he said, he shares those same American principles with them, saying,
I want you to be a prosperous I think America
can help you. And you're the people of your country,
your country, be prosperous, be able to live your dreams.
And he and so he's actually planning those seats of
the American dreams.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Around the world.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
All right, another hour coming your way on the Rod
and Greg Show Live from the Morris Philip It's travel
x so U Tah big pat on the back. Where
its efforts when it comes to school choice, we'll talk
about that next on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Stay with us.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
You know this this Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy
it's quite large.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
The parking should be easier than it was to get.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
In here for that showing in here.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
But I'm in the back row. I'm back row, Joejo,
just trying to get into the building. How come they
don't have reserve spots for the talent? You know, we're
kind of the you know we're coming. Thanks you right
right into that one, jeez. But you know, how about
a little like courtesy parking or something?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Man? Now, you know, just walk walking out.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I hear walking is good for you.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So yeah, that's why I'm opposed to it.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Anything that's good for you. You're a post.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, I don't like, I don't do anything for health.
I just do it out of like I don't want
to look like a slub. But it's all looks. I
don't care about the health part.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, Well, we've got busy hour, one more busy hour
coming your way before we head out for the weekend.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Tonight.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Coming up a little bit later on, we'll talk about
America's energy revolution and it's continuing, man is it? Ever
we'll talk about that tomorrow you and I, mister Hughes,
will be m seeing a school choice event for the
Utah Fits All Scholarship programs.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
I can't remember that when is that. So I don't forget, No,
I won't forge, I will.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's right in your neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It's like five minutes high school, which is by the way,
is a very nice high school.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, it's the largest Catholic it's it's actually the whole
campus K through twelve. I don't know if it's still,
but it was that the time is built and it's
I think it might still be the largest Catholic private
school campus west of the Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, yeah, And we'll be there tomorrow. I think it
starts at noon or one o'clock that program, so we'll
be there tomorrow. All right, speaking of that, A big
pat on the back today, Greg from the American Legislative
Exchange Council, someone you know, well you worked with them
when you were in the Utah legislature. But every year
they rate the states, various states and their freedom of

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choice options when it comes to schools.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
This year, Utah came in seventh place. Yes, very very nice.
Right well.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that is Andrew Handle, director of Education and Workforce Development
task Force. They're the American Legislative Exchange Council. Andrew, thank
you so much for joining us tonight talk about Utah.
Looks like we did pretty well when it comes to
school Joyce and the report card that you wish you
issue every year.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
What did it say?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, first, it's great to be back
on the show. Thanks for inviting me. But yeah, this
is the third edition of the American Legislative Exchange Councils
in the State Education Freedom. So we were able to
get this report launched this week right ahead a National
School Choice Week next week. And as you mentioned, Utah
did very very well, scored an A minus for its

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overall school choice environment and ranked seventh overall amongst the
fifty states. And that's up from eighth overall last year.
And so I think that's a you know, a testament
to to U taught policymakers, you know, the governor of
the legislature who have really made this a priority over
the years, not just making sure that funding follows students,
but making sure that all learning environments are accessible to families.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
You know, Andrew, one of the one of the interesting
aspects it It used to always be just fighting to
give the parents and children the students in their and
their families backpack funding or choice, but administering programs like this,
a scholarship program, a tax credit, whatever a state may
choose to do by way of school choice. How is

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the implementation of these programs rolling out state by state?
There has to be some kings having it's kind of
a new process. It's outside of the state school board system.
Give us an idea of how successful or what are
the challenges as we're seeing more school choice in America.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Yeah, and that's a phenomenal question. I think implementation of
these programs is something that's you know, more and more
policy makers especially are are paying attention to. But you know,
I think, you know, what's great is that we have
these fifty laboratories of democracy. And so we have seventeen
states right now that have created a universal school choice program,

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Utah being one of them with the Utah Fitthbaal Scholarship.
And they've all kind of done it, you know, a
little bit differently. We've seen some states that have you know,
really tried to open it up.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
We we've seen states try you know, debit cards for
these programs. We've seen some states that have used more
restricted marketplaces. You know, I know some states like Iowa,
they have approved providers who get access to an online
marketplace and then parents can go on there and they
can you know, you know, purchase whatever school supplies or

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things they need, and they have the comfort of knowing
that everything in there is already pre approved by the state. So,
you know, we we've seen a couple of different approaches.
You know, I think it's it's we're going to see
those continue depending on which state it is. Bigger states
obviously have more challenges implementing these programs and smaller states.
But yeah, we've seen a number of different different approaches

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and uh, you know, definitely working the kinks out as
as we go.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Andrew, as I look at this list, I see a
lot of red states near the top of the list,
but not too many Blue states. Surprise, surprise, Are any
Blue states making progress in this regard?

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (52:48):
You know, not really.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You try try.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Yeah, you know, the thing that jumps into my head is, uh,
you know, we've actually got this great new federal tax
credit scholarship program that within the one big beautiful bill,
and I'll use that as an opportunity to highlight some
of the blue states because I know that North Carolina's
Democrat governor Josh Stein has has at least said he

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plans to opt North Carolina into that program, and uh,
you know, we'll see, we'll see. Hopefully some other blue
states can can hop on that.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
As Colorado, I think.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
That's a really good opportunity to think.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Governor Polis in Colorado is opted in.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
So right, yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
That's because he's not conservative yet remotely, but that's nice
to see. So so yeah, so yeah, I guess I
guess my question I didn't ask it. But so with
Governor Paulis in Colorado, it's a blue state and he's
a blue governor, but you're seeing that he's opting in
and that and I think that's leadership you're talking about
the North Carolina Democrat governor. But so is there is

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there a tide there even on the federal one. I
know it's not as robust as how these states are
coming up with their school choice programs, but do you
see some light attends that tunnel with some of these
blue states or blue governors.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Yeah, yeah, I do. And you know it's interesting, you know,
there's a lot of really good pulling that's out there
that shows when it comes to school choice, this is
really not a part of an issue. I mean, this
is something that Republicans, Democrats, Independence, they all support it.
And I think, you know, even in these blue states,
you're seeing the politicians start to recognize that and they're

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starting to realize that, you know, hey, look, this is
just about understanding that no one school is ever going
to be the best fit for every single kid. You know, what,
one kid might learn invest in a virtual school, and
another kid might learn best in a private school. Another
kid might learn best in their public school.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
The point is to make.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Sure that all of these options are available and put
parents in the driver's seat, trust them to make the
best decision for their kids, because ultimately they're the ones
that are best positioned to do that.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Andrew a final question, what's go into this ranking? I mean,
what do you look at at each state and what
factors go into the final the final the result.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Yeah, So we look at five categories. So the first
is student centered funding, so that's where the Utah Fits
All scholarship program is graded. We also look at charter schools,
home schools, virtual schools, and open enrollment which is your
your public school choice. And you know, Utah does really
well in all those categories, believe it or not. Actually,

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the student centered Funding program is where Utah scores the worst,
getting a C which which might be a little surprising.
The reason for that is because while the Utah Fits
All Scholarship is open to all students, it is capped
by a legislative appropriation and so really only two percent

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of students in the state can actually use it.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Year over year.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
So you know that's something we'd love to see that
cap removed, and that would definitely help the state move
even further up the rankings.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
And Andrew, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Andrew is the director of Educational Workforce Development at the
American Legislative Exchange Council. They put out a new report
card on school choice around the country and Utah came
in seventh and speaking of that will be empcene event.
They're calling it celebrating the Utah Fits All Scholarship. And
I know you work very closely with these things.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I do hear to your heart.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Love, I love school choice, education reform, and it's it's
time has arrived. For a while there the Teachers Union
really preventing any of this from getting any kind of traction.
And now you're seeing states across the country and you're
seeing Utah really embrace school choice, parental choice, and education.
There's a whole bunch of different deliveries for kids and
it's it's exciting times.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah, there's some big there's some major dignitary showing up
for this tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Us.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Well, yeah, the MC's well, that would be true, that
would be us.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
The Attorney General will be there, that's right, he'll be performing. Well,
he's very talented, is he has.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
He's very good pianist. He plays a piano like.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, clibaracci.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, that's not what I was thinking a bitt But
also the Senate Majority Leader in the state, Senate, Kirk Cullumore,
Senator Cullormore, Kirk Cullmore, he is a musician as well.
They are going to be work. They're going to perform
a musical number together. So you can have the Senate
Majority Leader and our Utah Attorney General coming together for
a musical number and then he our Attorney General, Derek

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Brown is also going to be the keynote speaker.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, so it should be a nice event tomorrow if
you want to come on by. Gets underway at eleven
at one Diego High School down there and I'm joining us.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
More coming up on the Roden Greg Show in Utah's
talk radio one oh five die can arrest. This is
the time of year, Greg, where most people do plan
their vacations. They're thinking, Okay, do we want to go here?
Do we want to do this? Can we afford this?
They've got the answers here at the expo, and that's
why you need to come by.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
You know what I like about it is you think
about these places you'd like to travel.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
It's you know, it's seems a bit daunting. You know,
where do you stay? What do you do here?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
You just get the whole thing I mean, And there's
enough people here where you don't have to go to
just one source. There's so much you can learn about
the travel and then you can put a travel package
together that uh is better here doing it this way
than any any other way.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Is there one place you'd like to go?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
You know what I'm saying about that, I'm not sure.
There's some things i'd like to see. I think i'd
love to see Rome. I think I there's things I'd
like to see, but I don't have like a bucket list.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I want to go. I don't, I really don't.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
But there's some historical things, like I think i'd like
to go to Rome just to see the coliseum, to
see you see all of that history the coliseum.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
What about the Leading Tower of Pieza. Where's that in Pizza?

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah, in Pizza, there you go, Okay, where the Spartans
in Greece, where the Spartans held off the invading Persians Thermopylae.
I think i'd like It's not it's not, it's just
a path, but i'd like together.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
From what last year we went in Switzerland. A couple
of years before that we went to Italy. I love
both countries.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I've been to Switzerland and I'm telling you it is
absolutely beauty dropping, absolutely beautiful. I've been to France and
I went back in the early nineties and they were
totally rude and arrogant then. I can only imagine what
it's like now. Well, so I don't want to go
back there.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I saw Versailles, I saw the Loup.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Well, the Parisians are that, yes, But if you get
outside of Paris and into and we were in the
south of France.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
People are nice. We didn't have any trouble with different so.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Of my I'm gonna know my twenties.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Well, you're probably just martin scientific, well smart America. That's why.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Though they told me I would say hi to people,
and someone said, don't say hi, I'd say, they say
say bonjour. I'm like, well, I don't tell people to
say hello when they're in America.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Why why have to say bonjour?

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I don't say, by the way, by the way, it's.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I said bonjour.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
And they said, don't say don't say hello, say that,
but I'm not saying.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
It's bonjour, bjor all right, real quick. I don't know
how long this has been going on, Greg, but survey
after survey over the years show next to use car salesman, journalists,
and lawmakers are ranked near the bottom when.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It comes to trust.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Eh. Yeah, I'm gonna say that probably congressional lawmakers, the
state lawmakers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
No one knows them to trust them or not. They
don't know. Most of them don't know who their lawmaker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Will give you the statemaker is well. The Desert News
had a survey out today The.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Question was, generally speaking, how often do you trust what
elected officials say?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Ten percent said they never trust him, okay. Thirty five
percent say they rarely trust them. Okay again words, forty
four percent say some of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I'll take that, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Six percent say most of the time. And who in
their right mind is the one percent that said all
the time?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, that's it. Those are the family and friends of
the lawmaker. That's who said that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Now, how about for Governor Spencer Cone. By the way,
we need to apologize for our audience.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Last night we carried the State of the State address.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yes, the audio was horrible, and we did everything and
we didn't control the audio that was done by that
public broadcasting setup, right, and we're so we appreciate that
you stuck with us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
But that was our fault. Now, the question wasn't our fault.
It was still wasn't our fault. Yeah, it was the
feed I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Would if I was speaker out have fired whoever that was,
because that's a one time speech.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
You got one time a year to get that out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Now, generally speaking, Greg, how often do you trust what
the governor has to say? Eleven percent they don't know okay,
twelve percent say say never, twelve percent say never, eighteen
percent say rarely, thirty percent say some of the time,
twenty five percent said most of the time they trust
the governor.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
The governor has a unique role in the state of
Utah's and they've always enjoyed very I think, very high
approval ratings as government they have, and so I think
that is a I think that is a position that
it's It does not surprise me that Utans would be
inclined to trust their governor.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, now, what about Donald Trump? You ready for this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
I think ninety nine percent trust him and completely do
you all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
When the president says okay, four percent don't know, thirty
one percent say they never trust him with what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Say that's all the Democrats in the state.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
There are thirty one percent Democrats in the state. Wow,
sixteen percent say rarely okay, twenty percent say some of
the time. That's fair how much twenty percent, twenty two
percent say most of the time yes, and seven percent
say all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Well, I I I trust exactly what he says because
it's how he mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Like when he says I'm going to invade. I trust that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
He said I going to invade.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I trust that he's not saying. He's not lying
in that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
He's saying, absent any conversation with anybody, this is what
I'm going to do, understanding that they know he would
do that. If no one wants to have a constructive
conversation with him, and they do have one with him
and he doesn't invade at all, it's off the table
because they're working with him, which is what he wanted
all the while. I have trust in that process, So

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I when he says those things, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Know there's a process. It's that we are a part
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
On that happen, Greg, I simply do not understand why
more people in this state don't embrace what Donald Trump
is trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I know a lot of people do. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Maybe they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I mean, I would think this would be I mean,
look what he is trying to do in this country,
to write so many wrong things that have existed for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yet his numbers are good, but I'm surprised they aren't
even better.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Well, here's a little secret about politicians and about elected officials.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Okay, a former one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I'm a recovering public service.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
It is almost always the case that the when the
cameras are on and the mics are live, the demeanor
and the message from an elected official is very proper.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
It's very polite.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
But that does not mean that that is their demeanor
or their approach behind closed doors in certain meetings, they
will have more of a candid personality when negotiating and
things like that. What you can what I can tell
you about Donald Trump is that man is the same man. Yes,
whether the door is open, whether the door door is closed,
whether he's talking to a head of state privately, or

(01:04:40):
whether he's communicating him with him through truth social his
social media page. I'm telling you this is one of
the unique human beings where there's no two versions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
And look, we live in a polite society.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
I'm not even saying that when the cameras are on
and the mics are live that you should. I think
you should be a little bit more there should be
a little more proper. But but not him. But instead
of not liking that, understand that that is about as
authentic about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I'm a leader you will ever run across you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
You're not going to see I don't even care who's
president next, whether it's UH jd Vance or anyone else,
They're going to have a different version that's more candid
behind closed doors and shuttle diplomacy, whatever you want to
call it versus uh you know, in front of the
American public, but not not Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
You're getting a real I mean, he's just the same dude.
This is the same guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
He's going to give that same speech and has actually
he's done it for a decade now, where he loves
to talk to the American people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
And what I love about him. You know, you'll have
a lot of politicians show up an event. They may
be in a flannel shirt or wearing jeans just so
they can seem like Donald Trump shows up and that
that suit and that red tie all the time. I've
ever seen him out of anything else other than when
he's on the golf.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah, I'll tell you this. The I when I ran
for governor. You know they said, when you go to
Royal Utah Hughes, you know you like a city guy.
You know, you you got to get some boots, and
you gotta get some you gotta get a cowboy head
or something and I said, I'm not playing cowboys and Indians.
I'm not like playing dress up. I'm gonna dress exactly
as I normally dress.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
See who you are.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make my case. We won ten
counties in that race. And there are rural counties and
I'm not from rural Utah, but we want ten counties
because they're just straight talking human.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Beings and you're being yourself and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
I'm being myself and they they they accepted me for
being myself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
When we come back on the rod In Great Show,
final half hour, we'll talk about America's energy revolution. Wait
to hear some of these numbers that's coming up right here.
On Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Cannais live
today from the Morris Columbus Travel Expo. Well, we're broadcasting tonight,
of course, from the Morris Columbus Travel Expo down here
in the Mountain America Expo Center in Sanday. A lot

(01:06:48):
of really nice people have come by today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Have they ever?

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
It has been so fun to meet our listeners and there,
and they're such good people and they stop by and
I don't know, folks, I got to report, you know,
the HOV lane discussion we talked about you cant that
other one another one on the huge side of the boats.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Seems like I'm seeing things right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Yeah, but the gentleman said we should have had a
debate someday about roundabout.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, the roundabouts are you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I don't have any trouble with roundabout.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
You know what, though, there's He gave a story where
someone just stops in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Of that thing, and that's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
If I had to, if I had to navigate that,
I would be very frustrated.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Yeah, that's very true. I want to get I want
to take a trip down memory lane. You're ready to
go on this one?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Think about this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Twenty years ago, America had to import nearly a quarter
of its toil, its total primary energy supply in one
form or another. We're talking about natural gas or oil.
We had to import nearly a quarter of that. Craig
and America was talking around the world peak oil. There's
not We've reached peak oil. We won't find any more oil.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah, well we have. We have where we're a net exporter.
If you have someone that's committed to the energy sector
of this country. And uh, and we were an ex
ex We were a net exporter during the first Trump term.
Biden comes in, he's he we aren't anymore, and he's
begging Opeck for oil. He even begged Venezuela for oil

(01:08:09):
in time for the midterms because he didn't want to
lose too badly. And so you know, it's just I'm
told that of our emergency reserves, he pumped that out
so hard, so fast. I mean, Trump left it topped off.
He Trump, he trained it down so much. He damaged
the pumps. They had to be repaired because of how
much he removed in the time and the speed in

(01:08:30):
which he did it. And they were empty. Yeah, our
emergency reserves or empty during his administration.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Well, joining us on our newsbager line to talk about
this energy revolution that is taking place in America today
is Steven Hayward. Professor Hayward is from Pepperdine University, the
School of Public Policy. Professor or Steve, thanks for joining
us tonight. Let's talk about America's energy revolution. What is
taking place right now? What is going on with it?
Do you think, Steve?

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
I'd say three things in no particular order.

Speaker 11 (01:09:01):
One is technological progress, the huge technological progress, and our
ability to discover and produce oil and gas here in
the United States, when people thought twenty years ago that
was impossible.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
Second, the neglect of Washington DC policy makers.

Speaker 11 (01:09:20):
You know, all this happened quietly out of view, and
I only half joked that if Washington, DC knew this
revolution was taking place, they surely would have tried to
stop it. Certainly environmentalists have been trying to stop it
for the last twenty years. The third one reason that
succeeded is that a lot of it took place on
private land or state land, like in Texas and North

(01:09:40):
Dakota and Pennsylvania for natural gas and federal land. There's
been some expansion of production on federal land, but generally
you're able to throttle energy production still on federal land
with lawsuits and federal regulation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that the the technology
and the ability to get get oil gas has improved,
but it looks like the political winds have shifted. You
go to Davis, you go to Davos, the World Economic Summit,
where they were once talking about removing, you know, lessening
the dependency on fossil fuels, the need for energy for

(01:10:18):
data centers, everything else. They're very it seems like that
they're very bullish on power generation by any means, including nuclear.
So it looks like just not only are we technologically
more advanced and our ability to get UH energy out
of the ground, but it looks like politically it's it's
it's in vogue again.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Do you see what that?

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
Yeah, certainly do Now.

Speaker 11 (01:10:39):
I don't follow the World Economic Forum hour to hour because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Well, they don't lie, So you're good, don't.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Well that's right.

Speaker 11 (01:10:49):
Well, but I have noticed from the news accounts I
have read, and I've read several the one phrase that
is conspicuously missing from most of the major speeches is
climate change. But they still believe in all that, but
they're they're.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
Talking about it a lot less.

Speaker 11 (01:11:04):
You know, Al Gore apparently turned up and he had
some meeting that only twenty people showed up for.

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
I mean, talk about a used up has been guy.
It's almost ethetic now to see Gore, who you.

Speaker 11 (01:11:16):
Know, Let's remember twenty years ago he got the Nobel
Peace Prize for his climate agitation and now he can
already scare up a room full of people at Davos,
the most sympathetic people in the world.

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
So right.

Speaker 11 (01:11:27):
I mean, I think you're seeing energy realism has triumphed,
and although the European leaders won't quite admit it, and
a lot of Democrats here in the US won't quite
admit it, they are giving into reality.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
I mean, I'll just give you two for instances.

Speaker 11 (01:11:42):
You've seen the new Democratic governor New Jersey and also
Governor hulkl in New York approving new natural gas pipelines
in their states where they have been blocking him for
the last fifteen years, because they finally realized they can't
keep the lights on, they can't have affordable electricity unless
they get.

Speaker 8 (01:11:59):
With the program and allow energy that works to be
developed and expanded in their states.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Professor, before this revolution began, as you point out, back
in the I think it was in the nineteen you know,
nineteen ninety, two thousand and six, somewhere in that range.
How grim did the picture look at that point for
the United States and our energy How bad was?

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:12:21):
Well it was really grim. I mean, just a few
facts and figures for listeners. First of all, twenty years ago,
we imported almost a quarter of our total primary energy needs.
Today we're in surplus, or a surplus energy producer and
there are not many industrial countries that can say that.
Most industrial countries are dependent on imports of oil and
gas and coal, and we're not for the first time

(01:12:43):
in more than fifty years. Second, people thought we were
running out of oil. Peak oil was the phrase. That's
another phrase.

Speaker 8 (01:12:50):
It has managed lately.

Speaker 11 (01:12:52):
But you know, oil in two thousand and eight reached
one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel for a while,
and people thought it was going two hundred dollars a barrel.
Today it's at sixty dollars a barrel, and we're oversupplied on.

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
The global level right now.

Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
And people think it's probably gonna drift down. That's why
gas prices have come down some.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
In natural gas.

Speaker 11 (01:13:11):
Twenty years ago, we thought that by the year twenty
twenty five, so just you know, last week, practically.

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
We were going to have to import twenty.

Speaker 11 (01:13:19):
Percent of our natural gas needs, and we started building
liquid natural gas import terminals. Today we are a natural
gas exporter and all those LNG terminals we built have
been repurposed to be export terminals. No one expected that
twenty years ago, as I say, and.

Speaker 8 (01:13:36):
My goodness, what a different world has become.

Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
And you know, people laugh at Sarah Palin when she
said in two thousand and eight, drill, baby drill.

Speaker 8 (01:13:43):
Well we're not laughing. They're not laughing at Sarah Palin anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
You know, So to just expand, just to expand on
what you just described, which I agree is the drill,
baby drill. We're seeing we're a net exporter of natural
gas of oil. You're seeing all of this happen. But
something that we're here in Utah. Our general session just
started yesterday and the Senate President in his speech talked
about SMRs, these small modular reactors, saying that Utah, amongst

(01:14:12):
other states, are in a race to be able to
generate energy, electricity for AI, for these data centers, for
this emerging economy, and that the race is on and
that Utah is all in. Talk about the role of
these small modular reactors or small nuclear reactors that you
know this is Bill Gates said, well, we don't have
climate change anymore. I want to buy three Mile Island

(01:14:33):
or whatever they're saying. Everybody's kind of shipped and everybody's
kind of like converted to energy all of a sudden
and its generation. What's the role of these small modular reactors,
these SMRs and this whole nuclear push for small reactors
to generate a lot of energy.

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
Yeah, well, it could be the next big thing, and
it may be very promising.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
Now I'm being tentative because.

Speaker 11 (01:14:53):
There's a lot of private sector money going into it
and a lot of government encouragement. The problem with nuclear
power for a very long time has been it's been
very very expensive to build. Some of that is over regulation,
but even when you strip that away, it's still expensive.
And we don't have a very well developed nuclear engineering

(01:15:14):
construction force in this country because we let it go
forty years ago foolishly. So you know, your typical nuclear
power plant is big, it's like a thousand megawatts. These
small plants would be anywhere from fifty to one hundred megawatts,
and they'd be great for small towns. You might be
able to stitch a bunch of them together for some
of these AI data centers that are going to need

(01:15:35):
a ton of electricity, and those big data centers they
can't be run on wind.

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
And solar power. It's just not reliable enough. So nuclear
looks like the best bet.

Speaker 11 (01:15:46):
The environmentalists, some of them, have dropped quietly their opposition
of nuclear power. Some are still fundamentalist and oppose.

Speaker 8 (01:15:54):
It forever, like Al Gore. But I do think it's
the next big thing. But the industry has to prove itself,
and so there's gonna be a.

Speaker 11 (01:16:00):
Big shakeout it maybe like the automobile industry one hundred
years ago when you had what forty different car makers
and we ended up with three. It may go that
way because I you know, I can I can't actually
name it, but they're you know, ten or twelve different
companies trying to develop SMRs right now, and one or
two of them are going to make it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:19):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
See thank you for joining us. Steve Hayward.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
He is from Pepperdine University, talking about America's energy revolution.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
It continues great and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
It's been an amazing success story, and the energy that
we have in this country, and gas prices continue to
come down, go even lower.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I would think this year it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
You're seeing it, you know. I mean when you see
the difference in administration. Every time you have a Democrat
and most recently Biden in office, they say, well, presidents
don't have anything to do with the gas price.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
But I got to tell you, every time we get Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
We see that price gout, you know, south three dollars
into two dollars, even in the high one dollar range.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
So something's that there is a pattern, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Ignore, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
The conference championships are coming up Sunday as we get
ready for the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Super Bowl the couple of weeks. Yes, you like I'd
like to see New England win.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That just irritated Rate because he's such a Miami fan, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
A Broncos fan. He's neither.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
This year. I don't really care much as to who
wins this thing, no game.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
I think that the Patriots turnaround has been dramatic, and
I like that Traig Bay. I like that quarterback, and
I think the Broncos they've had an incredible season. But
if you're starting quarterback gets hurt and you and you
guys start three games in his life stick on their quarterback,
that's going to be a tough game to win, even
at home in Denver. And then I hope the Rams
win their championship or their game. Because I'm a big

(01:17:42):
Matt Stafford fan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I think he's a.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Great quarterback you talked about towards the end of his career,
So i'd like to see.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I don't think last one that's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Any boy, he spent a lot of years in in
uh in Detroit, so he deserves it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
We want to thank all our great listeners. Yes, we're
coming by today. We've had a lot of fun. I
want to thank the folks at Morris Columbus Travel for
inviting us here and letting them talk to him. Uh,
they're here again tomorrow. We invite you to come on
by tomorrow, Come on by wan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Diego High School. We'll be there broadcasting. Yes, not broadcasting,
but I've seen it. Yeah, we'll be doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
That doesn't for us tonight, Head up, shoulders back, Make
God bless you and your family. This great stay, great
country of ours. We'll talk to you on Monday four.
Have a good weekend.

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