The Rod and Greg Show: Trump Should Talk to Angel Families; Campaign Vs. Ice About Open Borders; Left Threatens to Deny Medical Care

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know there's been some concern about from some conservatives
saying he's going soft in Minneapolis, Minnesota and what's going
on in that state. No, he's not. He went on
the offensive today and we'll talk about that. We'll talk
about a campaign, what this campaign is all about. There
is an end result here for the leftist and they're
working toward it, and we'll explain what that is. Coming

(00:22):
up a little bit later on what is going on
with healthcare workers greg around the country. We are starting
to get these stories of healthcare workers, nurses, antenthesiologists, doctors
refusing to care for people who may have a different
opinion about that when it comes to MAGA, when it
comes to anything like this, they're now refusing medical assistance

(00:43):
or medical care.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, and it's again, there is no both sides on
this scenario. This is I'm sorry, there's no You don't
have medical professionals out there saying if you're a leftist,
you're a Democrat, if you support Joe Biden, or you
don't like iist and you can't receive medical care from us.
There is no version of this happening on the other side.
This isn't you know they love to say, we're a

(01:05):
bunch of white supremacists run around and all this other stuff.
We all you know, fail, we all have moral failings, whatnot.
You don't see any of this going on. This is
a unique to the left deranged. I think decline. I
think it's a decline. I don't think these individuals five
years ago would have said the things or thought the
things that they're expressing right now, thinking and expressing. I

(01:26):
just think they are getting. They're in a spiral, I do,
And I just wonder, how does that bode well in
a midterm? I mean, how did normal people look at
that go, yeah, I'm with them, Yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's not going to bode well. Well, we'll get into that.
And forty years ago today, do you remember what happened?
Major event that didn't have an impact on Utah? And
we'll talk about that a little bit later on in
the show. All right, let's start off. There was concern
yesterday the president, you know, calling Tim Walls or talking
to Tim Walls, the wacky governor from Minnesota, also Jacob Frye,

(01:56):
the wacky mayor from Minneapolis, sending up Tom Holmmes up
there to kind of get a better handle as to
what's going on, and Greg, there was some I think
legitimate concern among some in the conservative circles and the
MAGA circles that Trump may be giving in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Would you agree, yes, yeah, yeah, I do. And now
it's funny how the information loops. We're getting real time information,
so we're talking about what's going on in real time.
I think the President is responding today on things we
were reporting yesterday. I mentioned that the Minneapolis Mayor Fry
was saying after he met with the President or with
Tom Homan, that he was not going to cooperate in

(02:32):
any way with federal law enforcement. And we're saying it
that at the same time that Trump has this conciliatory tone,
and so we're going, we don't we can't add it.
It doesn't add up. Yeah, and then today Trump comes
out and says Mayor Fry's saying that that's a deal.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Kit.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
So we're here, we're getting the information, and then there's
a bit of a lag from when the President's briefed
on how all this is rolling out, and then he
has his reaction that I would say is a little
more consistent with what I would expect from President Trump.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, Well, he went on the offensive today and say
and basically told the mayor there, if you aren't going
to allow the federal officials to do what they're here
to do, and that's to find people in this country
illegally who have committed crimes, if you aren't going along
with that, when we probably don't have anything to talk about,
right basically.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And that's what the Rod and Greg Show was saying yesterday.
We were saying, we don't really know what you're going
to talk about with this guy when he's out there
saying he's not going to do it. He's not going
to do one thing left, one finger to help federal
law enforcement do their job. What are we talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I don't know where Fry is going with this. I
don't know what he's hoping to achieve. Because Donald Trump,
Donald Trump is not going to back down. And he's
got a guy up there who has a lot of
faith in and Tom Holman. And Tom Holman is a
tough New York City street cup.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Has worked for multiple presidents at different parties, so he
knows his stuff and he and I'll tell you you're right,
he's barking up the wrong tree. I think you're seeing
a different action. You're seeing like the Minnesota State Police.
They're working war with law enforcement, trying to protect area's perimeters,
hotels that would otherwise be stormed by these loons. I
think part of that is he did reach out as well,

(04:05):
like the mayor Frey did. But I think he's trying
to find something that he can work with the president.
But I also think that governor has got some stress
in terms of all the fraud he's been letting happen
in his state, and I think he has some other
issues that he doesn't want to bring up or that
he would love to be on a maybe a better
side with the President as they look at some of
the massive, multi billion dollar fraud that's been happening in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well, those of you who pay attention to social media,
and this is all over social media this afternoon. Remember
we told you about Alex Preddy. Okay, he was involved
in that altercation with Border patrol and he was shot
and killed Saturday in Minnesota. Well, we learned yesterday that
eleven days before that, he went after Border patrol again

(04:50):
and they went after him, broke a rib. He said
he thought he was going to die. Well, we're now
seeing video Greg of what happened eleven days ago. He
is spitty, he is kicking the car, knocking out the
tail light of the of the Border Patrols car. I
mean it shows this guy was out of control eleven
days ago.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, he's looking for and I don't think he has
a gun on if you see his waist and everything
I looked, I didn't see a gun there.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
They're saying he apparently they're saying he may have.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, because I'm telling you that if you didn't have
a gun is he's smashing out the back lights, you know,
the tail lights of this suburban and he's being as
aggressive as he is. To now show up eleven days
later with a loaded gun and two clips in your pocket.
I know this isn't in the moment that that incident happened.
But to see what he did before and to now
see what he had by way of gun and AMMO

(05:43):
when he confronted them the second time, it does. It
does raise the level of a potential problem, which it became.
I think that they were trying very hard to get
these ice agents, and they tried. It's not just this guy.
This is what we're talking about but I'll bet you
they go over fifty to sixty confrontation a day where
those people are trying to get ice to act maybe out,

(06:05):
maybe act out of emotion, act act in a way
that they can use it against them to condemn all
the enforcement of federal law. And so they're testing them NonStop.
But because they know that, I think they're actually being very,
very careful. So when you see an incident like this happen,
I think everyone slows down, let an investigation go. But
you have law enforcement with seconds to make decisions one

(06:27):
two seconds, not in slow motion. And when you hear
gun gun, I'm telling you I'm not a member of
law enforcement, but I think there's some quick decisions people
make in law enforcement to protect themselves in moments like that.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, I think all of us are looking at the
videos of what happened on Saturday, in the shooting on
Saturday from different angles, and everyone's trying to figure out, Okay,
were they justified in shooting this guy? What's the rule
on this? Well, there is a very well known and
well respected attorney and author and internationally recognized greg on
self defense. His name is Andrew Brackham. Listen to his explanation,

(07:01):
he says, the one question that the prosecution will have
to deal with if you charges are brought up. Did
they have a reasonable fear that their lives were in danger?
Now that fear may have been wrong, but if they
had a reasonable fear that their life is in danger,
they should be okay do what he had to say

(07:23):
as he talked about this again. His name is Andrew Bracka,
an attorney, author, an internationally recognized expert on self defense.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
The moment Alex pretty interfered with the arrest of the
woman in the white coat, gets shoved by a CBP officer,
he makes contact with that officer. The moment he makes
contact with that officer, he's just committed a federal felony.
Good for eight years in a federal penitentiary. That's why
they were seeking to make his arrest, because they saw

(07:50):
him commit a forcible felony against a fellow officer. Then
he's non compliant with arrest. He's fighting them. Then they
discover he has a gun on his person. They take
that gun. There's cries of gun, gun, gun. The officers
called to each other. He's still non compliant. They hear
a gun shot go off and Alex Priddy's right hand
comes from his waistline with a black object in his hand.

(08:14):
That combination of facts is going to get you shot
nine hundred and ninety nine times out of a thousand
by law enforcement and justifiably. So.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, I think that's a very good explanation. Greg. They
you know, they had a reasonable fear that their lives
were in danger, and they took steps to defend themselves.
There is nothing wrong with what they did.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
No. Wait, look and again I thought that the explanation
is as you know, bright eyed, clear cut, as you get.
I will say this, let the investigation go. If everywhere
that's what everyone's you know, concerned about. But understand this too,
in the absence of a response from law enforcement, from ice,

(08:55):
from border patrol, from the President, you name it, Secretary Nome,
don't think that everyone's all. Everybody is going to be
quiet and wait. In a vacuum of information. The Left
will fill it with that they're murderers, that they're that
they're Nazis. They're going to fill that vacuum. So to say, well,
no one should have spoke, everyone should have waited. If

(09:16):
you go silent in these moments, I'm just going to
tell you there will be a public sentiment about what
you are, who you are, and what you did before
you get a chance to even report what the what
the investigation resulted in.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
All Right, We've got a lot to get to today.
It is the Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rod and
Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five.
Die can Arrest. The Wall Street Journal. Uh, the editorial
board has been preaching a policy of appeasement when it
comes to Minneapolis. And fortunately the President is not listening
to the Wall Street Journal, but that is the take
they're doing. But I wonder if the President has talked

(09:52):
to another group that's been impacted by this, Greg, and
I'm talking about angel parents. These are parents who have
lost children due to an illegal alien committing a crime
in this country, and they have a story to tell.
But that story is not being shared, Greg.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
It isn't. And it's the selective logic and outrage that
I think everyday common sense people, just if you're aware
of more than what the regime media wants to tell you, you
shake your head and say, how can this be so
one sided? So to kind of clear this up for
us or at lead to share more of the side
we don't hear enough from from the regime media. Is
our guest at M. D. Kittle, a senior elections correspondent

(10:29):
of the Federalist. Mister Kittle, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Good afternoon, gentlemen, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
For having me.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
M D.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Let me ask you this. You talked to one of
these angel parents and they responded to the Wall Street
Journal editorial with an op ed piece of their own.
I'm not sure if just been published yet, but what
did this parent have to say?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Joe Abraham is a man who lost his twenty year
old college age daughter a year ago this month in
a crab that was caused by a drunk illegal immigrant
who was driving at nearly eighty miles per hour when
he slammed into the young ladies car, killing two young women.

(11:13):
He was allowed into this country, like so many illegal
immigrants over the last of the previous four years in
this country, and what Joe Abraham is fighting for, along
with the rest of the Angel parents is Hey, I know,
corporate accomplice media that you folks are very much interested

(11:35):
in a bunch of anarchists burning down Minneapolis right now,
But there are so many people who have been affected
by bad liberal Democrat policies on immigration, and they're paying
with it with life sentences.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
So let me ask you this question. For me, I
think that the the selective outrage I share with our audience.
I mean, you have a little bit bit, But why
is it that we're supposed to people that are interfering
with law enforcement and what they're doing, and no one's
saying this is okay that anyone's killed. But you're seeing
some very aggressive behavior, but then you're seeing that they're

(12:17):
not We're not seeing as much, but there are in
existence true victims of terrible decisions that have been made,
and we don't see kind of the accountability. What what
do those stories share with our listeners? What is it
that we're missing, what's being hidden from us that we
should be spending a lot more time thinking about and
worried about.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Well human beings, Human beings who don't fit into the
left wing narrative. These are people, like I said, who
have lost loved ones, husbands and wives and children. You know,
it's like Jimmy Kimmel going on in crying. This guy

(12:58):
hosted The Man Show. Yes, I will quickly point out
but here. He is the Alan Alda of his day,
tearing up, you know, over these these anarchists, and again,
nobody wants to see anybody lose their lives. But if
you go into a war zone, which is exactly what
Minneapolis is, there are some repercussions if you mess around

(13:20):
you find out. I'll spare the sec word that we
can't use, but you know, we're talking about people that
Jimmy Kimmel never wants to mention, never wants to say
their names. And he's not alone. The rest of the
accomplished media is the same way. You know, some of
the names you've heard before. You know, names like Lake

(13:44):
and Ryan, who may be the most significant name to
come out of it, because it produced legislation that finally
deals with this front. You know, you may not know,
not everybody knows Joscelyn Hungary, that twelve year old Houston
girl who was brutally murdered by two venezuela and illegal
aliens according to police. Anybody want to talk about her

(14:07):
and her mother and how she was sentenced to a
life sentence, her mother was without her daughter.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Pretty amazing. And you have another story this surface, this
weekend or this weekend. I don't know if you've seen it,
but a twenty six year old man in this country
illegally invading a home, raping a little twelve year old girl,
and forcing her ten year old sister to watch a
knife point. I mean, how sick can that get? But
the media ignore stories like this, Yeah, and that is

(14:36):
sick too.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
That's a implicit media, a media that doesn't want to
tell these stories because it hurts the narrative that they
are trying to craft. And I think Americans, I think,
you know, the good folks in Utah. I think Americans
across this country are sick of it, and hopefully they
will vote accordingly.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So you know, there's a saying, whatever you tolerate or
put up with, you're gonna get more of it. Sounded
like when you saw Greg Bavino, he was really, you know,
reassigned and even regrettably, I wasn't happy to hear the
President say, well, he's a bit out there. Sometimes that's good,
sometimes it's not. It sounded like the President might be capitulating.
And then you have the Wall Street Journal article. It

(15:19):
says that there should be a pause, that we should
be like Neville Chamberlain and a pease. Uh you know
these you know these people. But my question is if
if the if the Trump administration does stand down, if
there is this narrative that well there's just a different
way to do it, why don't you just ask him
politely so then everybody will leave whatever they do. What
what can we expect from that? Will we will we

(15:39):
see more resistance because I know the same efforts are
going on in other metropolitan areas around the country that
are not seeing the same type of resistance. What will
we get more of what we seeing in Minneapolis if
the president does change course and does stop or pause
what he's doing right now.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, we will.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
We already are seeing more of it.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Where being Democrats now emboldened by this, I don't know
if I want to go quite to capitulation, because that's
something you know, I think a little longer term. But
certainly they looked at the president blinking here and they
certainly started about, you know, talking about they would force

(16:22):
a shutdown because they they were going to fight over
defunding law enforcement again, this time federal law enforcement. You
see these you know, these blue state politicians spewing hateful rhetoric,
you know, like the Pennsylvania Attorney general candidate who's talking
about how he gets elected, he's going to kill Donald

(16:45):
Trump and what I don't mean it by actually truly
killing him. The guy says, you know, that's the sort
of stuff, and they're raising money off of it right now.
But here's the bottom line. What you will see, what
I can get guarantee it. You will see more people killed,
and you will see law enforcement agents murdered in cold blood.

(17:08):
And those people have families too to go home to,
and some of them won't be going home to their families.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
We can only hope that doesn't happen. MD. Great having
you on the show. Long time admirer of your columns.
We appreciate it and hope to have you back out again.
Thanks MD, Thank you. I appreciate it all right, MD Kittle,
he is a senior elections correspondent with a federalist talking
about where all this is going. And Greg, there's so
many disturbing stories out there about Americans being victimized by

(17:36):
the illegal aliens. And yes, Lake and Riley or you
know her stories out there. There are other stories out there,
but there are more and more stories out there and
the medium just the media just ignores them, and that's
that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, it is. And I'm telling you one of the
in hindsight. In Utah a number of years ago, there
was a bill pass that stopped allowing for mugshots to
be made public because people were in US until proven guilty.
It sounds great, but you wouldn't get you wouldn't get
away with local news saying an Orum man committed these crimes.
If you had a mug shot, that would give some
context to who the oruam man is, who did not

(18:08):
come from Orum nor was born in Orum. It would
mean something. So yeah, I think I think they're proactively
trying to cover up what's actually going on around us.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
More coming up it is the Wingman Wednesday addition of
the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. All right, we've been talking and I've
brought this up several times over the last several months. Greg.
The Democratic formula for everything in this country nowadays is
you create a you create a massive program that you
know is not going to work, I mean, and then

(18:39):
all of a sudden they leave it up to the
rest of the American people to figure it out. Okay,
some point what happened with Joe Biden? Ten and a
half twelve million people came into the country illegally, causing
all kinds of problems, and now we're being left with
trying to figure out how to deal with.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And how dare you be extraordinary measures? Why would you
use such things because we're in extraordinary times?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah? Well, what is really the end result of this
campaign against ice? Joining us on our news Miiker Line
to talk more about that is Kennon Spivak. He is
a founder chairman of the SMI Group and he's writing
about this and talking about this today. Kennan, how are
you and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
All right, great and thanks for having Thanks for having.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You're welcome, Ken Kennon, is this campaign really about someday
having open borders in this country, which I think would
be a disaster. We've kind of already gone through it,
but we're trying to cut it back again.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's eighty percent about having open borders, It's eighty percent
about trying to reverse what happened in the last election,
and it's twenty percent Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
And maybe that all totals ninety nine point five.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
And the other point five percent of people who just
are upset with seeing video of how ICE is undertaking
its mission.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So why why would why would leftists to lead us
Democrats and the regime media, As I could say in
one breath, why are they invested in open borders? What
do they get for that?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
First they get to change America, a country many of
them hate. Second, they get to secure permanent power for
the Democrats. And they don't even need most of these
people to become citizens or get the right to vote
for that to happen, because when they move to different
parts of the country, they count in the census, and
the House of Representatives are re districted every ten years,

(20:32):
and they'll be more representatives in Democrat neighborhoods and there'll
be more electoral votes in Democrat states.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
So the first they get.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Is permanent power for the Democrat Party. The second they
get is they change our culture, they change our values,
they change what matters to us. And there's a third
thing they get just by these protests. They get to
cause chaos and disarray.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Think in your history of the Communist.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Revolution in Russia of now in China, what they started
with was riots and disarray. This serves everything that progresses
want to achieve.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, Kevin, I always have a fun time when
we have a Democrat on this show and we talk
about immigration. It's always fun to ask a Democrat, well,
if you want immigration or some sort of immigration control,
how large of a number? What is the number that
you're willing to let into this country? They never answer it,
which is pretty good indication as to what they're looking for.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Well, they don't want to answer it, because let's look
at what the mayor of Minneapolis said just yesterday after
Trump said I had a good call with the mayor
of Minneapolis, and the mayor said, of course we want
to catch criminals. Of course we want criminals off the street.
But then he said, but it doesn't matter where they're from,

(21:52):
because they don't want borders, they want globalization. They want
to end the notion the United States is a sovereign country. Now,
by the way, I'm not saying that that's necessarily true.
Of all these useful idiots they're out demonstrating, and some
of them are just angry at what they perceive to

(22:13):
be ICE's excess is and I think they're largely wrong.
Some just hate Donald Trump, but the people funding their movement,
the organizers of their movement, and the Democrat leaders, you know,
particularly the progressive Democrat leaders just don't want borders.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, there's a saying, you know, America, it's the worst
form of government except for all the rest. Okay, So
my question is if this if this effort to enforce
immigration laws, and they're going after criminals, but if people
are in the car, or people are in there in
their sphere that are with them when they're apprehending them,
they're there and they were here illegally, they're being deported
as well. If this is too aggressive, then my question is,

(22:55):
then what are we just supposed to politely ask, Hey,
I think he came here illegally. Last you just need
to go, and they're gonna go, oh, I'm sorry, I'm
so embarrassed. I'm here and I shouldn't be. We'll just
go ahead and leave. What is it that? What's the then?
What I mean if this is too if this is
too harsh, what is a straight faced way to approach
the catastrophe that the Biden administration created with open borders

(23:17):
for four years?

Speaker 6 (23:19):
Okay, in fairness and respect to your question, Yes, you're.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Presupposed that you're having.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
A legitimate discussion with people who are concerned about how
ICE is undertaking its mission.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
They don't want ICE to succeed. They don't want Ice
to be nice. They don't want Ice to give ice
cream to people and say, here, have some ice cream, please?
Would you please get in my car and I'll take
you into Mercedes and I'll drive you myself to the border.
They don't want any of that happening.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yes, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Where do you see this all going, Kennedy? As you
look in yours the wall? What's going on next?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Okay? Trump has backed down to some degree in Minneapolis
because the video of what's happening the second killing really
were politically hurting the Republicans, hurting the administration and the
democratcy blood in the water. As you know, they're saying
they're going to shut down the government. I think in
the short run, Homan is going to pull back enforcement

(24:27):
efforts to those who really did commit other crimes, either
in the United States or in the countries from which
they came, and secondarily, unvetted illegal immigrants during the Biden
administration who come from countries that completely don't share our values.
So by and large, that's not Latin and South American countries,

(24:47):
which by the way, for the most part, do share
our values. But it's people who came from the Middle East,
it's people who came from Eastern Europe, it's people who
come from China. I think they're going to rain in
in the short run. In the longer run, which may
not happen during the Trump administration, it may have to
be the next administration, we still need to enforce our borders.

(25:09):
And I'll tell you one thing that the two of
you may not agree with me on. For someone who's
been there for twenty years and never committed a crime,
who's had families and maybe their kids have been in
the military or or police, I am willing to look
the other way and say, you know, you took a
risk that you would be caught. You win. You've been
here for twenty years, you win. But for those who

(25:31):
came in the last five years or ten years, they
need to go home.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hiat Yeah. My only question is I don't I don't
completely disagree with that sentiment. But if they're undocumented, I
guess how would you verify that? I guess there'd be
a paper trail of employment or something like that that
you could use out.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Okay, I would think, because here's the thing, they're not
undocumented with they already illegal.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
They have lots of documents. States give them drivers' licenses,
and they can get Social Security and they can go
to the hospitals for free.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
So far from being undocumented, they're fully documented. We know
who all these people are. They just happened to be
here illegally.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Ken in great conversation. I appreciate your time, Thank you,
thank you. All right, that's Kenyspavaki is talking about illegal
immigration in the campaign against ICE really is and I
would agree it is all about open borders. More coming
up on the Roden greg Show in Utah's talk radio
one oh five dime Cannas a sad note, we learned
yesterday that a guy I knew for quite a number

(26:34):
of years here in Utah, meteorologist Roland Steadham, was killed
in a plane crash up in Idaho. He's been up
in Idaho working for KBOI Television for a number of years,
but many of you may recognize him. He works here.
I think it was at KUTV Channel two. That's where
I got to know Roland before you came along, mister
Hughes to this show, and before Roland left, he left

(26:56):
on Lake. I think he went to Florida and then
he came back and he went into Idaho. But we
had him on the show quite often to explain all
the the weather wackiness that takes place in this country.
Really just a very smart, very good guy, loved his family,
loved the outdoors. And it's a sad loss. Sixty seven
years old died in a plane crash.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's too bad. That really is My wife recognized she
Chris queen Bee. She told me that she showed me
the picture. I didn't recognize him, maybe, but that was
the two thousand. It's not like I wasn't here for
a while. He was here till I think nine or something. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Missed it, I think, And I'm not sure. And someone
I know will correct me on this. They normally do.
He may have come out of the Mark you Bank
school of meteorologists. I mean, if you think about all
the meteorologists in this state and really around the country
who began with Mark, and Mark is a terrific guy.
I haven't seen forever. But how many meteorologists today came

(27:50):
out of. It's kind of like a coaching tree.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yes, yeah, yeah, have a coaching tree there you go.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, I like that they have a meteorologist tree. And
the number who started working for Mark and got the
bug to do weather. I mean, by the way, first
of all, they're very knowledgeable, and you know, the the
forecasting models they use are much much better today. Try
standing in front of that green screen and doing weather

(28:16):
pointing to all those That's what fascinates people more than
anything else. And these people who do it, most of them,
are very very good. I don't know how they do it.
I tried it once. I failed minserve.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It looks so easy to me, I could totally do it.
Looks like a people get paid for that. That would
just be so easy. Stand there behind a green screen,
just look at yourself in the monitor, just putting point
in places. Hey, that's gonna be cloudy, that's that's gonna
be rain over there, that's gonna be freezing cold in

(28:46):
front of it. I own that screen. I don't I
don't sweat that screen. That's's easiest job in TV.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Sure, Oh Where's I'm called Lindsay go V Just like
you try it one time.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know what, I probably wouldn't want embarrasser. Yeah, I
probably declined just you know, out of decency. You know,
I just don't want an embarrasser. It's her life's work.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah. We were talking last week, a big win for
Washington County people in Saint George about that highway project.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, now there's even more good news for Saint George.
Saint George has been ranged as the best performing small
metropolitan area in the United States by the Milligan Institute's
Best Performing Cities. They've been in the top five for
a number of years, never number one, but now Saint
George top's Milligan rating as the best performing small city

(29:39):
of any other small city in the country. That's pretty cool, George.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, I love it. I call it livery Land down there.
It's a great, awesome place.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Why do you call it liberty Land.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Because everyone there's a stone cold conservative. And then it's like,
and I'll tell you this, the people that moved there,
they came from like these leftist states and they're like
political refugees. They're like real conservat and they didn't turn
They're like the Californias that turn a place liberal. The
conservatives have had enough of California, ore in Washington, Nevada,
and they moved to Washington County, moved to St. George,
and they're and they're they're great. They're they're they're they're

(30:13):
very conservative.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know what, you know what. I love. But remember
the kerfuffle with you know, Utah attack and Dixie State University.
I can't think of one business down there who had
the name Dixie before all this happened. Who has changed
their name?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
No, they have not, they are not. I will give
everyone a warning. If the word Dixie offends you, you
better go blindfolded in that town, because there's your eyes
cannot rest anywhere where there's not the word Dixie. The mountain,
the meats place, the pharmacy, the road, you name it,
it's all Dixie.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's all there, all right. Another hour they're Rod and
Greg show coming up on Wingman Wendys stay with him.
I almost hate to ask this question, Greg, but I think,
knowing the circumstances, knowing the individual involved in this, Okay,
do you believe ilhan Omar?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Not a single word? Not one word? If she told
me that the sky's blue, I would have to really
question whether that sky is blue, and I would probably
look up and the sky would look gray that day.
It would not look blue. I don't think there's a
sing You cannot come into that Congress with fifty bucks
in your pocket. If and now you're worth thirty million,
you can't have a vineyard. If that's if that they

(31:24):
said it was worth like next to nothing, and then
a number of years later it's praising it some eight
to ten million dollars. There's been people that have vineyards
that would tell you that you can't see that kind
of increase in appraisal in that short amount of time.
That is money laundering. That is something going on. But
that is not elan Omar's truthful accounting of her wealth,

(31:46):
of her how she's obtained it, and then her worldview
and what she does in Congress I think does not
look after or defend the American people or country or
our values in any way.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now do you believe that she was attacked or assaulted
last and do you believe she had anything to do
with it?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I wouldn't put a pastor here's the deal. It's a
really good question. I thought someone might have been a
smart alec. You got all these leftist loons that been
talking about syringes against ICE members and trying to scare
them and everything, and someone did that to her, and
I thought it might be someone that's just had a
belly full of all these people encouraging people to use
syringes against ICE, and said, how do you like it?
Do you like it? But given the attention she's getting,

(32:26):
getting the pageantry of it all, it seems to be
a very fortunate incident for her that she got attacked
and that she gets to be a martyr now, doesn't it.
Now there's a lot of scrutiny on her assets or
how she made her income where it came from. So
kind of like the state of Minnesota. If you've got
attacks and you got violence, stop you stop looking at

(32:47):
the fraud. Maybe they stopped looking at the fraud because she's,
you know, she's a victim.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Well, there are a couple of things on this that
a lot of people are asking questions about. Now we're
talking about she was giving some holding some sort of
town hall meeting last night and a guy sitting in
the front row, Greg jumped up and squirted her out
of a I think it was a syringe with some
sort of chemical. Right, Well, come to find out it
was apple cider vinegar, is what they're saying. Now. Now

(33:16):
there are two questions. First of all, if you're attacked
like that and something hits you, okay, with a liquid,
when you stopped for a minute to think, what what
was this?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
What did you see? I have not watched the video.
It's what does she is? What does she do?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It hits her?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Right? Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Where what does she do next? She goes after her attacker.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, she was after him towards me.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
She goes right after her She ran after her attacker
instead of trying to get away from Some are questioning
the timing of that. But when you want to stop
greg and say, gosh, what did I just get sprayed with?
What is this stuff? She didn't do that? Huh. That's
where some people are saying, h what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, she's hard to trust generally, so I can see
why there would be questions about, you know, what really
happened there. Here's here's the easy here's the easy position
I've had and I've always had. I'm against political violence
without regard to political affiliation. So if somebody entered January
sixth to the Capital and that in January twenty one,

(34:19):
and they am entered that capital building illegally. I think
there are laws against it, and the laws that you
have violated you should be held subject to and if
you're guilty, you should there should be a punishment. Now,
is that solitary confinement for four years?

Speaker 6 (34:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But whatever, whatever the rightful penalty is for illegally entering
the US capital, anybody that entered it, they should they
should receive that punishment. You know, guilt innocent until proven guilty,
but adjudicate it. Same goes for the people that are
attacking Ice. You're not allowed to interfere with federal loan
for any law enforcement, you're not allowed to do what
they're doing. Should there's penalties, there's laws, adjudicate it. Find

(34:53):
them guilty. You know, if this person had ill will,
then they should be punished for what they did. If
this is pageantry and you find out this is a
Jesse Smole a moment and you're getting maga guys in
Chicago at two am that turned out to be these uh,
you know twins. However, Jesse Smole knew them. You know,

(35:14):
that was a total hoax. So we've seen hoaxes where
they've tried to the Left has tried to make villains
out of the right and to promote themselves and make
them out themselves out to be victims. But again, let
the facts carry the day. This guy who did this,
he's got he's got a story, he's got a history somewhere.
And if it's you know, it's twenty twenty six, he's

(35:35):
got some social media, you know, fingerprint, digital fingerprint somewhere.
So let's see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
But if you're attacked, Greg, wouldn't you want to know
what you just got attacked with?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah she didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
She ran right after. She didn't even ask anybody what
was that. She just ran right after the guy. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
But she's just very brave. She's so brave. It's like
her fight fight fight I was.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Going to say, did we have a fight fight fight moment?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
She had a fight fight fight last night. It might
be a fight fight fight moment.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Now, guess who they're blaming it on. Who? Oh, come on,
Trump bingo.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, it's Trump's fault. It's Trump's fault because he's enforcing
federal immigration law. Yeah. Yeah, see that's what you get.
You get you follow the law, you get crazy people
with the syringes. Now you've seen all those videos on
social media where the left are telling you how to
use those syringes against Ice. Sure, but forget all that
she got attacked with a syringe. You shouldn't enforce federal law. Well,

(36:29):
that's kind of the conclusion, right.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well, on CNN last night, of course, they go after
Scott Jennings. Oh, we know and love. He does a great,
great job saying, come on, you know, it's Donald Trump's
fault because he's called her every name in the book,
and and because of that, some nut job got a
front row seat at this town hall meeting and decided
to go after her. Right well, listen to how Scott
Jennings responded to this.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
Look, she's made a lot of attacks on him too.
I think the correct answer at this moment would be
to condemn political violence, condemn political intimidation.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't expect Donald Trump or.

Speaker 7 (36:59):
Ill on Omar, either one are going to contend are
going to cease attacking each other in very stark terms.
But but you can do that and say we're gonna
have a sharp debate and we're gonna throw sharp elbows
here in politics. But that does not include political violence,
and it does not include political intimidation.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
That would be the correct response tonight. Yeah, man, And
you know, I hate to be like this, but I
just don't trust her. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
This is what This is the double standard that I
that I listen to. You hear Republicans, you hear Scott Jennings,
and you've heard me just say, we don't. We don't.
We do not support political violence, period, no no qualification,
we just don't. I never hear the left say this.
I never hear the left have to explain that they
don't support violence, generally political violence. I never hear them

(37:51):
on the spot say I don't condone what I just saw.
I don't hear them condemning all these videos of these
health so called healthcare delivers of nerve versus whatever they
may be, who are telling you how to harm people,
how they will refuse care for those that are in
need if they want to make America great again. And
heaven't forbid it, says MAGA on their as a hat
or something else, they would deny care. Nobody on the

(38:14):
left ever has to apologize or defend indefensible behavior. But
you will hear, as you heard Scott Jennings and you
heard me, we're not we're not accepting violence. We're not
accepting any of that from either side. We don't accept it.
But I never hear the left make the same common
sense case that that is, there's no place for that.

(38:36):
I never hear it. They don't have to.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I guess why, why why do you think this guy
used apple cider vinegar.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Because stinks? I don't know, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
I know what people greg who drink it every day.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Ooh, So maybe maybe he cares about her. Maybe he's
trying to make her healthy.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
They could be could have been a health I've heard
people during the flu season, this is good to have
a swig of every morning.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Maybe this was a Maha state make America healthy again. Omar,
we're here. He's just there to help. He's just giving
you that apple side of Nygary. Just get a little
bit of that in that and a tea spoon of sugar.
It's just helps some medicine go down.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
And that we haven't learned anything more. We know the
guy I think was fifty three, fifty five something like that,
but we don't know. You know, they're going to try
and find that he's a Maggi guy. But we all
we've learned one thing that is children are all protrans.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
There you go, you know, well, so you know, show
me who you know, I'll show you where you go. Okay,
there's a bit of a crowd. If you run with it,
you can kind of tell who they are. Show me
who you know, I'll show you where you go. But again,
I think the left in that base is getting more
and more radical. They're saying things out loud that I
think even five years ago, no one in normal society

(39:49):
would ever utter. They would they are deranged, but they don't.
They've lost their moorings. Yeah, how in the world when
we get to these midterms. Even if I'm as mad
as I am at the Republicans in Congress, which i am,
I think they're doing nothing. All they do is criticize
Trump for hurting him in the midterms, but they haven't
done anything to earn the public support to be re elected.
But the alternative to them is this, It's the lunacy,

(40:11):
it's this, it's this attack against our foundational institution. So
I just don't know how the Democrats, even if precedent
says in the midterms. The party not elected president usually
does very well in midterms. How is this going to
be good for them? I think they're I think they're
in a spiral. Frankly, I think it's just getting crazier
for them.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Coming up on the Rodden Greg Show. It's something that
conservatives have been saying for a long long time. We'll
talk about that next right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five to nine. Okayn, I know what you've
been doing for a little while. What over there? Because
I can't see what you're doing on.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
The computer trying to make it work.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
No, you're downloading a new song from Bruce Springsteen.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It basically crashes Trump and Christy No.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And that guy is just I just hate these has
beens that just can't they just becoming like John Cougar
Mellencamp too. I used to like that guy as an artist.
These modern day court jesters whose only existence and only
success in life has been to amuse me. That's it.
That's it. They're popular. They typically have amused me in
some way by a movie, a song, something. They think

(41:17):
we care about their politics, We just don't. We don't
think they run they do not run anything. I don't
care what they think about the world. I don't care
what their worldview is. Just you exist to amuse me.
You've been paid well, you've been rewarded, and I take yes,
And then you take what our approval of your of
your successful amusement, and then you have foist your stupid

(41:41):
politics on us and punish us for ever liking you
in the first place. I cannot stand it. John Cougar,
Meland Camp, Bruce Springsteen. There's just a bunch of yahoos.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm with you. How many times have you had a
father or a mother come up to you, Greg, And
we've had them calling on the show before, who say,
what happened to our child? We send them off to school?
H Yes, we send them off to school. They're great kids.
They come home for Thanksgiving or come home for the holidays,

(42:12):
and now they're just these socialist wackos. What happens to
our children?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
These teachers, these professors, they you know, they leave home,
it's time to be independent, it's time to and they
just get confronted with, you know, this ideology that they've
never heard before and certainly contradicts what their parents, their
families believed what they've been brought up to believe. You know.
The weird thing is I was at BYU in the
early nineties and it was very conservative, almost to the

(42:40):
point where I knew people that were liberal and they
would get kind of shut down. And I used to think,
I like the debate. I like having this. I mean,
I learned more when I have people that think differently
than me challenge me on what I believe. And I
used to think that BYU was just too stringent on
some of the liberal This was an associate professor that
I happen to know and she was definitely a liberal,

(43:02):
and they kind of ran her out on campus and
because it was so conservative and I didn't like it, Well,
my goodness if I thought that was a problem. The
problem we have now is the intolerance. It's all leftist
and you can't have a conservative thought to save your
life or else you're you're it's they're treating conservative worse
at BAU today than what I was not comfortable with

(43:23):
how liberals were being treated at b when I was there.
And that's yeah, it's changed, it really has.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
We have been you know, there were conservatives for a
long time who've been complaining and saying for years, what
is going on with higher education? Well, finally there's an
op ed piece in the Wall Street Journal today. It
is from the president of Dartmouth College Ivy League school, Yes,
liberal school. Okay, her name is I believe it's pronounced
cnn Belock. But she wrote in the journal quote this

(43:52):
you'll love this line, Greg, American higher education has a
trust problem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Really really call her captain obvious.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Now she proposes Greg, five very reasonable improvements to improve education.
You ready for these? I'm ready first and foremost. Boy,
do I agree with this one? Make college affordable if
the public no longer believes it is a good investment,
that's a problem solving. It starts with lowering the cost. Yeah,

(44:23):
in cost of a higher education in this state is
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yes, we are fortunate. I mean, folks, there's you can
go to Appalachian State and you're going to pay thirty
thousand a year now and maybe more now that was
a while ago. I mean, some of the price for
tuition outside of Utah is astounding. It's a high, high, high,
And I always want my kids to go out of
state to go to college, you know, not you know,
there's a college in Utah. And then when I saw
the cost of this tuition, I said, you know, these

(44:48):
Utah schools are very good. Yeah, just yeah, they really
They're going to get a great education here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Second, the second thing that higher education needs to do,
the return on investment matters. I love this rights. Affordability
isn't enough. Institutions should be held accountable greg for student outcomes?
Are are graduates getting jobs, pursuing meaningful work, and contributing
to their communities.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
They're gonna run that?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Who is that again? What's what's the name she?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
I think if c. N. B. Locke she's president of
Dartmouth College.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
They're gonna run her out on a rail. That That
is crazy talk at an Ivy League school. You already
can't talk that. One.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Number three recent her higher education on learning rather than
political posturing.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Hmm, she's gonna when she goes and meets with her
fellow presidents of other Ivy League schools, they're gonna they're
gonna ostracize her. She is just talking too much common
sense for Ivy League schools.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Another another common sense point, emphasize equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
See I think it's fake news because.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
You believe no. Well, she equal snup ed in Wall
Street Journal up ed.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Equal outcome, not equal opportunity is what every socialist believes.
And that is when I say socialist, I mean higher
ed and certainly the Ivy League. So she is really
out there. This is a radical president you're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
And her fifth step to gain the trust of the
American public again, in higher education, testing is important. The
first step in managing great inflation is admning students who
are smart enough to do challenging work. Standardized testing is
a good proxy for intelligence. Every one of those I
agree with I did too, I do. I'm with you.

(46:34):
I'd like to be at her first meeting with other
Ivy League presidents and get their reaction to what she
had to do.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
What are they going to say, I mean, that's just
she There's no way there's another president out there that
would repeat what she said. I really, I'm not I'm
not exaggerating. I don't think you would find one university president,
let alone Ivy League university president that would agree with
those points just made.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, it's just I mean, for how long have conservatives
been saying this forever.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I mean, that's just common sense that might save that
school in terms of parents want to spend the money
to send their kid to a school that that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I know utahlellmakers are around the edges on trying to
make some changes here. I'm not sure how far they're
willing to go, but certainly even here in Utah we
could we could see some changes like this.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
We got we outlawed. They outlawed a DEI a while ago,
and we sawt We've been seeing some resistance. We've been
seeing some wordsmithing. But I think they're hot on their trail,
those that are trying to keep it even though they're
supposed to get rid of it. So we'll see, we'll
see you in this session. We'll be good. We'll see
if there's any changes.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Oh so, all right, more coming up. Brought and Greg
with you on this uh wing Man Wednesday and Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN r S. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
This is me still messing with my I had such
a beautiful camera on my and this just doesn't work anymore.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
You are an individual. We have been we had more
problems with technology.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I know anybody bane in my life, it's the bane
of my life. It is a brand new laptop. It
wasn't easy to get. I got a brand new laptop
because the other one just stopped on me and I
can't and it was working so well, it had the
greatest camera, and it just today it just said, nope, Greg,
I'm done. I'm out.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You did distracting the Obviously you may have done something
doing you don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And you know, I've been every commercial break for the
last three days I've had this new computer. I've been
raving about how great thing is. Yeah, I was so happy,
and then it just quit on me. It's such a quitter.
I hate I hate technology. I hate this computer and
it distracts me. We got serious things to talk about
this and I'm being accosted by this rotten laptop in
this camera that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I have figured out something when working with you a
little bit more than you ready for this.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh no, you need two people in your.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Life, just too. Okay, you need one who is your scheduler.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yes, that's on time, if that is true.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay. He raised in there, shaking his head, because okay, okay.
And you need a technical assistant, yes, because anything you
touch technically.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I know I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And then you just get so frustrated.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
My heart to give you this. Then they're very nice
on the eight hundred, the number you gotta call. But
it's just so laborious. It's just so you got to
sit and go through this whole thing, and it's just
you know. And when I get through it, like I
did because my other computer stopped working, I felt like
I really achieved something. I got three days of a
working and now it's not working. And I know, I digress,
but this is the whole point of it takes away

(49:28):
from the show. It's distracting. I'm sitting here trying to
I keep trying it and trying it and trying it.
And and folks, the way we set up this, you know,
this NASA like headquarters, world headquarters for the Rod and
Greg show is that we've got e Ray on a camera.
You know, we don't have the you know we have
we have have Jason Tool and he's on news. I
see him on a camera, can see him as we speak.
I see I can see you across. But you're even

(49:48):
on a screen. We got like a we got this
multiple screen. It's like you know, and it's supposed to work.
And what's it on my screen? My initials blank? Nothing.
I can't see it. It's like I've turned it off
and I keep trying to turn it on. It won't
turn on.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You need someone with you twenty four to seven to
schedule your life, and you need a technical assystem.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You know, you know how they used to do it
when I you know this is the new studios. They
used to just have windows. Yeah, there's not windows of software.
I'm talking like Ray would be in the adjacent room
with a window. I could look over at them glass glass,
I could just see them. I didn't have to have
a camera. I could just see them. Now I got this.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Are you ever happy?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Not at the moment. No. I mean I swear if
I had a tech guy, I'll bet you anything. There's
some leftist that's got in control of my laptops. So yeah,
you know what, you from Minnesota's got my lip laptop hacked?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
You know what you need?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
What?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Higher education?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I do not, No way, I've been there, done that.
I'm not going back there back Well.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I want to hear from people tonight about higher education.
And they're trusting higher education. You know you and I
mentioned earlier before the break because we got into this.
The number of people who come up to us over
the years and have said, what happened to my son?
What happened to my daughter? Yes, you explain it because
I send them off to go to college. I send
them off to you know, get a higher education. They

(51:14):
believe in America. They come home, they can't stand America.
So what happened to them?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And in folks, I know you, I know this sounds familiar.
If it's not your own kids, you know people that
this has happened to, and everyone, why are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Esp I'll say what really makes people mad? If you
where I grew up in Pennsylvania, they thought Mormons were Amish, okay,
And now maybe there's more Mormons in Pennsylvania southwest Pennsylvania now,
But when I was growing up, not many people knew
anything about the church. Yis Christ Larry Saints. But boy,
I knew when I was time to go to college,
if you wanted to go to Zion, if you wanted
to go to the place where ever you know, people
knew your faith and people of your faith were around,

(51:49):
this is where you can just head west. You know,
I'm the pioneer of my family. If you're a family
out out somewhere and you want to send your kid
to where you think is the the mecca of the
zion of your faith and they come back and they
are just stone cold liberal and they hate America and
they're just not I mean it, just it would be

(52:10):
a particularly frustrating Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, well we aren't the only ones. Let's go to
our talk back line. Here's a comment from one of
our listeners telling his story.

Speaker 8 (52:21):
Hey, Rod Greg, I just want to say how proud
I am and my daughter for standing up report herself.
She just gotten the upward down which his college at
Weaver State, and her teacher was trying to push Democrat
jeused on her, and she stood up and reported him

(52:41):
to his supervisor.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm very proud of that. I'd be proud of her too.
I wonder if any thing ever happened to that professor.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Though, you wonder, you wonder if anything did. I'll tell
you what I'll tell you. My son, he's I won't
divulge more of them. My son can tell his own story,
but he will tell you that you can pick up
pretty quickly the political preferences of your teacher, and if
you are writing any kind of essay that would touch
on the politics of your professor, you would be wise

(53:08):
to harmonize with those politics, if you like, if you
want a good grade, and if you don't want a
good grade, then you would be a contrarian and you
would push against it, but you'll get a bad grade
for it. He said that he writes stuff that he
can barely you know, stomach. He wouldn't actually read out loud.
But he's getting good grades because he's working the system.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Henew he knows how to play the game. Yeah, so
he's planning what your son is saying. And I wonder
how many other students are like that out there. You
know your professor's politics. I mean, they're pretty open about
it anymore. Yeah, so you write things that agree with him.
Don't challenge them, you know, because you challenge up goes
the grade.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
He's seen it with his friends. He laughs at his
friends that have actually tried that, And and look, I'm
not even arguing against it. I love when people stand up.
I think it's heroic and everything else they get, but
they get punished for it, so you know, they get
a bad grade for it. Yeahs at least that's the
report I'm getting, uh, you know, from my for my son.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
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Speaker 2 (54:25):
So, I'm really mad. I hate it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I want to ask you one question.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
It's totally distracted me.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Does anybody in radio end care?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
No, they don't. But I'm just I'm just saying, you know,
you know what I am, folks. I'm just going to
share what's all my heart. It's on my mind. I
just there's no there's no veil, there's I don't I
keep nothing close to the chest. Whatever I'm feeling, I'm sharing, Okay,
and right now I hate it. I hate technology.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Shall we go to the phones. Let's talk about higher education.
We go to Trace in orm tonight here in the
Rotting Greg Show, Trace, how are you? Thank you very
much for joining us? Well, appreciate it. And now my
computer is at the there we go, right, can you
bring that caller in force?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Oh, now you're having the technology problem. Oh you know
what you need?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Oh see, our whole thing went down, yelling you know
it needs folks. He needs a tech person. Okay, because
he just lost our caller lost the whole screen. E
Ray can't get it back on.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
But I am a radio professional and I do not
let that distract me.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I'm just going to tell you I think the people
in Minnesota know what we're doing by way of sharing truth,
and they have just hacked into this station. They started
with my laptop and now they've just gotten to your board.
Any raise board. The whole thing's down. Hey. Do you
think it's a coincidence that I have never interrupted our
program or our segments to complain about technology? I am

(55:46):
being is like an onslaught on this computer fighting with me,
and all of a sudden everything else goes down. It
is if this is Minnesota. They they have found behind
this one hundred percent. Yeah, they they knew. Well, you know,
we have powerful guests. We have a lot of good
information we're sharing with our listeners. They can't have it.
They can't have it, So, you know, I just think

(56:08):
we're I think that that's you know what though Busery
loves company. I love that both of you are having
tech problems at the same exact time I was. So anyway, folks,
I feel what Let me ask you this. We can't
take colors at the moment because the Minnesota you know
left us have invaded our studio. But can we take
the talkback live calls or they are they at least

(56:28):
available if they called and left the talk back can
you get it?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah? We should be able.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Okay, so folks, let's should if you can't get in
on the calls where our talk it looks like our
talkback live is still open, and you know, I just
we can use that. Or were we even talking about
before talking about that?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Shall we talk about something else?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yes? Please?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
All right? Forty years ago today?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Okay? Oh no, I know this.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I know this answer today.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So I had been in car accident. I was at home.
I should have been at school, I was. I was
in tenth grade, and but I was at home and
heard over the stereo that the Space Shuttle Challenger had
blown up. And I turned on a TV and I
saw the Replace and Pittsburgh I grew up. People had
their headlights on all day, every day, probably a couple

(57:13):
of weeks. In morning of what had happened to that.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Well, President Reagan was scheduled to give a State of
the Union address that night that certainly got interrupted by
what happened in the morning with a launch of the
Challenger space shuttle. A lot of focus on it because
a teacher, an elementary school teacher, Koloff, was going up
in the air. And I remember that Greg because I
was working at Channel two at the time. I was
home sleeping that morning because I'd been sick and working

(57:38):
on a documentary and it just wore me out for
Channel two, and I got a call from the assignment
desk and they said, what are you doing. I said, well,
I'm trying to get over whatever I had. They said,
get to work and I said, what's going on? I
didn't wear. Have you been watching? I said, no, I've
been sleeping. Yeah, the Challenger blew up. We need you
to get up to thia call at the time because
thiacoal built the solid rocket boosters held that thing into space, and.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Within the first hours of that that people were already
looking at those things that commentary had already started.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah, people were saying, because you could see the flame
come out of one of the solid rocket boosters, right,
and that's that was caused it. So everyone said, get
up there and see if he can get any reaction
from the workers. They were not in the mood to
give you a reaction that day. As a matter of fact,
I'd give you a reaction. I got more one finger
salutes than I ever have in covering any story. And
I as I really liked KATV. They were telling you

(58:27):
that it was number one. They were because it came
down that it wasn't thy Call's fault. It was a
NASA problem. They had pushed thy Call to launch that thing,
even though the engineers, two of them, Alan McDonald and
Roger Bougelet I remember, were saying, don't launch this, it
won't seal the way it properly should. But NASA went
ahead and did it. Anyways, you know that day, So

(58:50):
I'll never forget that day. But I'll never forget Ronald
Reagan's five minute talk to the nation that night, and
I want to play the end of it because I
think it was very touching and this was a each
I think it was written by Peggy Noonan from what
I understand, Peggy Noonan now a Wall Street She was
a Reagan speech writer at the time. Listen how he
ended his remarks.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
The crew of the Space Shuttle Challenger honored us for
the manner in which they lived their lives. We will
never forget them, nor the last time we saw them
this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved
goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch
the face of God.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
There were seventy three seconds into their flight when this happened,
and the world saw it because you know, the cameras
were tracking what was going on.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Because it was we saw a lot of schools were
playing that live because that was a historic moment, and
and yeah, I it was, and it was, it was,
it did. It's probably one of the first I think
it was the first moment for me where there was
a national tragedy where the only thing being covered it
stopped all program day, all day, and it was the

(59:56):
only thing being covered all day long. Was was the
replay in the discussion of it. And I, you know,
I hadn't lived through anything like that. Yeah, And then
I could only compare. I think nine to eleven would
be the last would be the next time in two
thousand and one, where the world stopped and we watched
NonStop coverage.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
You were speaking of children. There were school children all
around the country or watching this because of Krista mcculliff,
a teacher going into space, and Reagan talked to them
that night and he said, children, this is what happens
when you're on an adventure, when you're a pioneer, things
like this are going to happen. Yeah, forty years ago today. Wow,
all right, bore coming up Pour number three of the
Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
On a right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Discussion about who they would, didn't I care for, and
who they would if you were a maggot, They're not
gonnay're not going to talk to you, and they're not
going to help you. And then there's there's the techniques
that that nurse from Virginia said that she would you
could do to harm or scare members of ice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
One of them is a paralytic drug and if you
had that, you would you could stop their breathing, which
would be attempted homicide.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I mean, you've got stories people who don't want
to They just don't want to help anybody. And that's
not what we should be doing in this country. And
I don't know, I guess the left has really gotten
sick because you have have nurses, you have an antithesiologists,
you name it. People denying care to people, if they're
MAGA supporters or if they like ice. I mean, they're

(01:01:29):
just going crazy. Well, let's talk more about it. Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now is Kirsten Fleming.
She is a features columnist at the New York Post.
She wrote about this, Kirsten, thanks for joining us tonight.
How low are these people willing to go when it
comes to being opposed to Donald Trump and Mega?

Speaker 10 (01:01:44):
You know, so there's been a few incidences. There was
one incident incident in Brooklyn, New York, where three plane
clothes cops went in after a scuffle with a drug
suspect and they were for ice and basically hassled and
they overheard the staff saying that they should be turned away.

(01:02:06):
And then there are a slew of people who are
nurses going online and just brazenly saying that they would
not treat somebody who's MEGA or wishing third fourth degree
tears on Caroline Lovett, a livery delivery nurse. So it's
just these like, really really awful things that healthcare professionals

(01:02:30):
so comfortable saying out loud and disseminate them to the public.
It's nuts, It's really nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So is this I've never seen this before and I
don't know that people of any political persuasion would have
said this about someone else that they disagree with, like
we're seeing it. Are we just more sensitive to it
now or is this emerging as a new sentiment that
we haven't had to confront.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
So there's a few different things that are going on.
I think that a lot of these people who are
going on social media and saying these things, I think
they are so twisted. They think that it's totally normal,
so their point of view will be embraced, and they
don't realize that it's completely against the oath as they've
taken healthcare professionals. But so there's a little bit of that,
and then I think that and I'll have a little
bit more reporting on this, But a lot of the unions,

(01:03:18):
they've embraced the abolish ice edict, right, and you know,
after there was. The National Nurses United put out a
statement after the shooting back to Alice pretty and they said, explicitly,
nurses demand the immediate abolition of ICE. And there's a

(01:03:39):
lot more of this kind of going on in the
union ranks that we we really know about. And I mean,
it's just really, it's just sad. It's it's confusing. If
someone came out and they were a right winger and
they said, I refuse to treat anybody who's a liberal
or who didn't vote for Trump, I would say, at

(01:04:00):
that person's license and get them out of here. They
do not belong treating patients anyone. So I'm just seeing
it from the left right now, and I hope that
that's you know, I hope that everybody realizes. And the
silver lining is these people, a lot of these people
have been disciplined, they've been fired right away. So if

(01:04:20):
these aren't broke individuals, you know, god knows what could happen.
But at the same time, these institutions are taking it seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
So I'm happy for that, and that's good news, Kirsten.
But you know, if you're a normal person, you would
think if you'd say something like this online or post
a video about this. You most likely would lose their job.
They have got to know they're going to lose their job,
but apparently they don't care. My fear is they'd be
picked up by some other healthcare provider and they wouldn't

(01:04:47):
care what they say. I mean, is that a real,
real feeling.

Speaker 10 (01:04:52):
I think that a lot of these people would look
insurance and medical malpractice isn't a tough field. So I
don't think any of these people want any any institution,
any company, any healthcare provider wants someone who is a
problematic and troubled like this, because you know, if you
look back and you say, oh, hey, my my aunt
was my aunt died at that hospital that that nurse

(01:05:14):
suggested that we that we inject ice agents with a
paralytic agent, right, like I don't know if you saw yeah,
So I mean someone could say, hey, my aunt was
treated by her Oh you know what we were talking
about Trump, you know, So like someone could say, and
then they could bring some sort of lawsuit, you know.
So it's also a legal issue. So I think it's

(01:05:37):
not smart for any of these people to be kept on. However,
you don't want to find this out right, You don't
want to go into a place in one of these
people who have not expressed these wishes online and they're
still working there and they're acting like rogue agents. So
you just it's it's frightening. It's frightening, and it shouldn't
be frightening. This is this is they take a hip.
But you know, doctors take a hypocratic oh you, nurses

(01:05:59):
take abuse from people in the er, whether they're drunk,
whether they're you know, they're belligerent. They treat everybody, and
they're usually the most patient people. So to say this
is like, whoa, it's really really well for these people
to say things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It's an interesting comparison you've made because and look, I'm
not a healthcare professional. I've not spent much time in
emergency rooms unless I was the subject of or maybe
a family member was in need of persent care. But
you know, I watched dr I watched the TV shows. Okay,
I don't know how much I watched Mash Okay. So
but I'm going to tell you that to your point,

(01:06:34):
whether this was the worst criminal in the world, a
gang shooting, whoever came in bleeding, whoever been had been shot,
everybody is just jumping to action. And then I look
at this Eric Martindale who says I will not perform anesthesia.
This is a post and it's in your column, but
it says I will not perform anesthesia or for any
surgeries or procedures for MAGA. It is my right, it

(01:06:54):
is my eth glows. I own all my own businesses,
and I can refuse anyone can he can insurance? Would
insurance companies cover someone like this who's going to have
a political litmus test for those that would need anesthesia
and a surgery or would would need care. I mean,
I don't even this guy can't get fired if he
owns his own businesses and he's going to sit out
there and pose as a healthcare provider, but he's not

(01:07:16):
really one. If he's going to have some kind of
ideological litmus test. When the gang member that's been shot,
there's no test. You'd help him because he's bleeding. So
what do you do about this guy? These doctors that
think they have control of their own practice.

Speaker 10 (01:07:30):
Well, I mean I guess just avoid them like the plague.
I mean, you know the best that you can. Yeah,
it's something that it's something that I just have never
seen before. I had a doctor email me to say
that he had to operate recently on a guy who
had a giant swapsaka tattoo across his test and he
this guy's Jewish, you know, and he said it was uncomfortable,

(01:07:53):
But you do it. You do not bring it up.
You treat them just like you would treat anybody else.
And these things do pop up now and again. This
is you know, these are these are ethical issues that
doctors and healthcare providers do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:06):
These they're probably inner thoughts that they have that say,
oh gosh, but you have to provide the service like
they for supposed to take anyone. I mean in Israel
they treat Palestinians, Yeah, in their hospitals.

Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:20):
It's it's just it's really disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
So, Kirsten, final question. I guess the words are the wise.
If you need to go to the hospital anymore in
some parts of the country, you probably shouldn't wear a
mega hat. Would that be your recommendation.

Speaker 11 (01:08:33):
I would just suggest in general, like whether you're right
left indifferent, like maybe yeah, maybe just keep the merchant
at home regardless, Let's let's keep the politics out of
treatment rooms.

Speaker 10 (01:08:46):
Out of hospitals, out of the yards, and I think
will all be okay. However, that should not preclude you
from being treated fairly and by a healthcare professional.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Kirsten Fleming from The New York Post talking about what's
going on in healthcare industry. And you think about it now, Greg,
politics has entered our churches, demonstration in Minnesota a couple
of weeks ago. Politics now entering our hospitals. Certainly we've
had politics in our classrooms. What's left?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Uh, you know, it's it's not I don't know. I
really don't know what's left. I I think the propaganda
and indoctrination and the one sidedness. I mean, there's not
even an attempt to maybe tell both sides of the story.
So it is. It's it's a tough it's a tough
environment for kids to grow up in and for all
of us to realize that things are getting even more extreme.

(01:09:35):
I mean, you look at some of those things in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
and from the movies we've watched, where you know, civil
unrest turns into into worse in those futuristic movies or
whatever we make, whatever it might be. What is different
between those and what we're seeing here, we're seeing, we're
seeing the brushfires that that. You know, stories usually don't

(01:09:56):
get better when you see what you're seeing now, So
I don't. I hope, I believe in this president, i've
his leadership. I hope that they don't slow down. Our
interview earlier in the show today talked about maybe they
would slow down. You had three hundred thousand people a month,
two to three hundred thousand people a month walking in
this country without any no one stopping him for four
straight years. If you worked faster than they're working today,

(01:10:18):
you would never you would never overcome what happened in
those four years in terms of how many people came
across illegally. So I don't think there is the luxury
of or the ability to slow down if you're serious
about trying to trying to reverse so much damage that
had been done during the Biden terms. So that's a
hard job as we're seeing right now. But boy, if
they're successful in Minneapolis, that is the playbook. Just like

(01:10:41):
the Tesla takedown.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I have never seen. And you know, we talked the
other day about this survey that Americans feel the country
is out of control. Right, I'll be honest, I think
the Democratic Party is out of control. The Democrat does
social democrats of this country have sent this country into
out of control mode, you know, and even even Barack Obama,

(01:11:04):
Bill Clinton, you know, the pillars of the Democratic Party,
or they used to be. I think Obama still is.
I don't think Bill Clinton is anymore. But they advocated
only a few years ago, Greg, we need to be
tough on immigration laws. We need to enforce the law. Yes,
and nowadays they're attacking Donald Trump for doing just that

(01:11:24):
because they didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
They even did it with the same people like Tom Mahoman,
I mean, the same guy on the ground, the same
medal for Christ Loud. Yeah, and so it's it's a
different time and it'll be up. I will be interested
to see. I mean, you played that Harry Entton poll
they heap from CNN yesterday that even the New York
Times is polling fifty five percent of Americans want the
law immigration laws enforced. Yeah, and they and so he does. Thankfully.

(01:11:49):
With all the chaos going on, there seems to be
still a majority sentiment. And I would say majority because
if the New York Times is saying it, boy, they
they try to you know, they try to take their
cross tabs and pull way more Democrats or whatever. They
try to juice it, and they can't juice it. They're
still at fifty five percent want the federal immigration laws enforced.

(01:12:10):
That means that that's an undeniable fact in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Well, coming up at the bottom of the hour, we're
going to talk to someone who's been taking a look
at the polls and real information about Hispanic support for
the president.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
This will be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah, that's coming up at the bottom of the hour
in just about fifteen minutes. More coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine o knrs. Well, just about fifteen minutes from now,
we are going to be taking a look. You would think, Greg,
with the all the publicity coming out of Minneapolis, that
the president's poll numbers would be dropping. Well apparently they aren't. Yeah,

(01:12:46):
you would think, right, Well, apparently they aren't. And we'll
get into that with you coming up at the bottom
of the hour. But this is confusing to me. Greg.
Here's some more polling information or information on the economy.
American's confidence in the economy has plunged to start the
year at the lowest it's been in twelve years, amid

(01:13:07):
consumer angst about prices and pessimism about the job market. Now,
who was it? I think Ups today and Amazon today
announced another round of huge layoffs sixteen to twenty five thousand,
I think, from each company. So the consumer confidence report
is down to its lowest level in twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, I'm reading like, Yeah, Home Depot eight hundred layoffs.
I'm confused because we hear a lot of positive economic news.
We're seeing interest rates come down, We're seeing the inflation
rate come down. We're seeing on shoring of manufacturing jobs.
We're seeing our trade deficits shrinking. It's we were told

(01:13:49):
that our personal income now is rising in its outpacing inflation,
which is how we're supposed to start feeling like the
economy is turning around. We have higher tax returns, federal
tax returns, rebates that should be coming back and hitting
our bank accounts soon. So consumer confidence plummeting that low
in that fast, it just surprises me. I Look, I

(01:14:11):
have yet to hear it from Queen Bee that we're
out of the woods. Everything is great. That has not
been said in my home. But I would think we
would be minimally neutral, but I thought there was optimism
in this first quarter of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yeah, and it does appear to be. The share of
consumers who said that jobs are plentiful dropped twenty four
percent from twenty five twenty seven percent in December. What
they're saying the respondents continue to scute towards pestimism. And
it's an issue of perception versus reality. And I'm with you, Greg,

(01:14:44):
Reality the numbers are showing we're the economy's doing well.
The perception out there is that it is it's a struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And I think both can be the case. I think
that we can be doing better, but it's still bad. Yeah,
So I think your perception can be that things are
just not good. But given the hole we had to
dig out of, and we we've talked about this a
lot on the show in terms of the challenge that
Ronald Reagan had in this first you know, when he
had to inherit the Jimmy Carter years and all the

(01:15:13):
inflation and you know, the energy shortage, gas shortage and
all that. It took a while, and in the midterms
it hadn't happened yet, and so it looked like Reagan
wasn't really turning around the economy. But you know, he
hit his stride in the second part of that first
term and won, you know, forty nine out of fifty
states in his re election. But point is, I think
both can be the case. I think we can be

(01:15:34):
seeing things improve at the same time we still feel
the effects of the past administration and it's and it's
still hitting us in the pocketbay well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
And here you have the Consumer Confidence Survey, which is
showing we're down lower than it has been for twelve years.
But then you get this report greg from the National
Federation of Independent Businesses, and that says that US small
businesses are doing fine and they're confident in the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yeah, I'm confused by that, that poll, that consumer and
I had heard that before that consumer confidence had plummeted
it recently versus just last month or whatever it was.
Because I do think there's a momentum going on here
and I never want to do what I saw in
the Biden administration do and that is, you know, the
Thomas Friedman, the you know, the New York Times economists

(01:16:21):
and all these snooty guys telling us you have it
so good, you're just not smart enough to know. And
you know you have money dysphoria because you don't see
how good things are. Very I want to be very
careful to not tell everyone how great it is if
you don't feel it. But I so I will say,
we're still digging out of what we had. But I
do see good things in front of us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I see a better economy, especially all those government jobs
that they would add to the job numbers to make
it look like they're adding jobs, but they're really just
growing government. Those government those jobs are plummeting, and private
sector jobs are growing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
My concern is, Greg is that And I'm with you.
I'm a big supporter of Donald Trump. I worry sometimes
that they're over selling it. That sometimes they need to
say we feel your struggles. Yes, you've got to be
able to relate to them. I just worry sometimes they're
over selling it a little bit that the account because
there are people out there who are saying, m you

(01:17:15):
may be feeling it, but we aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
You know, and this is right, you know, this is uh.
I'm frustrated with Congress because I think that we have
no alternative by way of Democrats and if they take
and I'll tell you what we have some there's some
scary video out today of what you know, a DA
from Philadelphia would do to hunt down ICE agents as
if they were the Nazis. If you know, if you
get a new president and Trump leaves and he's a Democrat,

(01:17:39):
you're hearing from these Democrat members of Congress saying that
they're going to hold h impeachment process and or they're
going to go after Ice and go after people and
put them in jail for what they did during this
administration legally, and so there's some scary things. If the
Democrats were to win the midterms. I think that leaves
it for it's it, I mean, leaves it for the
Republicans to really stay in charge and get some get

(01:18:01):
some of the president's objectives accomplished. But I don't see
them doing it. And I'm worried that when you see
the NGOs, when you see how much federal money is
being wasted, and you're getting a taste of it in Minnesota,
but we're seeing it with the NGOs and how they
how much of that was unaccountable federal money it is
and now in this these mini bus small bills. You
have Republicans that are joining the all the Democrats to

(01:18:23):
roll the majority of Republicans in Congress to fund again
some of the things that were cut that were Democrat waste,
and and and you know these these uh NGOs. I
I just think they've got to do something about it.
They can't just look at the president and go, you're
not doing enough or you need to do more. It's
all up to you, President Trump. They've got to give

(01:18:45):
people a reason to vote for them.

Speaker 9 (01:18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Yeah, and right now, all right, more coming up it
is the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Okay, NRIs, you we've talked. We
talk a lot on this show about various polls. Kind
of gives us an indication as to where things are are,
you know, concern about where the president's popularity is. Of course,
concern about how Americans feel about deporting people who are

(01:19:08):
in this country illegally, whether or not they've committed a crime.
We saw the numbers the other day, Greg, I mean,
more than what fifty five sixty percent of the American
people want people who are in this country illegally deported.
They don't care if they committed a crime or not no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And it was you know, New York Times showed numbers
that were strong north of fifty percent. The majority of
those polled said that they want the laws enforced, which
with the tone and ten are going on in this country,
I was surprised that the New York Times would even
have the guts to report that. You think they bury
that somewhere. But there's numbers out there that say that
Trump's prewraying numbers are low, that ice is super low.

(01:19:44):
There's just a bunch of different sentiments, even even consumer confidence.
As we were just saying in the last segment, was
is at an all time love.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Well joining us on our news maker line. Are any
our news maker line to talk more about? This is
our good friends. Scott Pinsker, public Relations and Crisis Communityations expert. Scott,
how are you is MAGGA winning or how are they
doing on immigration right now? Scott? What are the polls saying?

Speaker 12 (01:20:08):
Delighted to be back, gentlemen, and we are doing way
way better than a lot of people in the media
are giving us credit for, and in a really weird way,
we might actually be ahead of the curve. It depends
on what metrics you're looking at and which ones you
give way two And in my humble opinion, the two
metrics have matter more than any other metric, whether it
be you know, what do you think about ice? What

(01:20:30):
do you think about this? What do you think about that?
You have two things. You have two ingredients to win
an election nowadays, you need to get your base out
there to votes. You need to have ninety ninety five
percent of your side out there motivated to go out
and pull the lever for you. And you need to
get a plurality of the persuadable independence. There are people
that you know you'll you'll never reach. They're the heart

(01:20:51):
or left, they're not even worth your time. But for
the people that you can reach, can you mobilize, can
you activat and can you win a majority of them?
And if you look gets at numbers on immigration. Two
weird things have been going on during all the media
bedlum about how awful everything's going and how the public
has completely turned against Trump. Number one, Trump's approval rating

(01:21:13):
has pretty much not moved at all, wow been virtually
every poll. It's hovering about thirty eight to forty fourish
roughly speaking. A few outliers, but it hasn't budged at all.
And if you look at the biggest independent group of
voters in the country, the Hispanic population, twenty percent of
the entire American people. Right now, Trump's popularity is jumped

(01:21:36):
by over fifteen points in the past month.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
So, you know, Scott, that's such great news. Tell me why,
because you would you would think otherwise. But we saw
a great, a great plurality of reachable voters, as you
pointed out in our twenty four election. We saw a
strength of Hispanic voters in the last election as well.
But I heard it that was being diminished by the ice,

(01:21:59):
you know, the enforcement of immigration laws, that that was
going down. You're you, you are reporting something very different.
What would you attribute the greater support or greater approval
ratings amongst Hispanics for the president? Why is that happening?

Speaker 12 (01:22:13):
Yeah, it's I mean, look, it's blatantly counterintuitive. With the
visuals you would imagine that. Look, if you're from a
particular community and you see that being reflected in such
a way on the media, your sympathies would be with them.
But I think there are four reasons why that's not happening.
One could be that the poll is wrong. I you know,

(01:22:36):
you can't roll it out because pollsters they make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Yeah, are you telling us that polls? Are you telling
us Scott that polls can be wrong? I can't believe that.

Speaker 12 (01:22:45):
Yeah, I hate to be a heartbreaker. Santa Claus might
be fictional too, but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:22:55):
But we have more than one poll. Now we have
the Rascus and poll that actually has Trump's popularity with
a with a Sanic voters at fifty five percent. And
then you have another poll that was recorded by Newsweek,
the Emerson College poll a great both of are legitimate
names that have forty three point three percent, when just
the week before or the month before for Hispanic voters

(01:23:15):
it was only twenty eight point two. So we have
back to back polls saying that something really weird is
going on. And if you're asking why, either the polls
wrong and I don't think that it, or Trump could
be overperforming on an issue that this Spanic population, the
population cares about way more than the visuals advice like Venezuela.

(01:23:36):
They're according to the data of the Hispanic voters support
his actions in Venezuela from about forty four percent to
thirty seven and the third one before we get to
the big one. The third one is that maybe there's
like a machiefe mok factor, you know, maybe Trump talking
talk and staring down the other side kind of appeals
to a lot of people in this pantic community. But
the fourth one, and the big one, and the one
I think is probably the most accurate one of all,

(01:23:58):
is that the people who are the anger and spitting
mad about this issue are the Hispanic people. They're mainly
angry white liberals.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Yes, that is so fascinating, and I think you're right,
and I would actually combine I think that on the
immigration issue. I think you have a lot of people
that have immigrated here. They're here legally. They they believe
in the American dream, and they see the illegal immigration
is almost a mockery to what they've done and what
they've experienced. I think that's out there. I think though,

(01:24:29):
that this Nicholas Maduro thing is a real issue, and
I think it actually correlates well with the machismo that
you're talking about. Too. Eighty eight minutes to go in
there and go get this guy and have him served
with that warrant that they had for him in court,
Do you think that the combination of him, and it's
not just when it comes to Venezuela. You see uh,
you know, you see NATO call him daddy. You see

(01:24:53):
the back in his play, You see his Middle East
toward being incredibly successful bringing the Arab nations in unison
with the United States. How much is that world leadership?
How much is getting Maduro complementing an issue they care
about more than maybe other people like Venezuela.

Speaker 12 (01:25:12):
If you value leadership, if that's something that you expect
out of your president, then good lord, you have Donald Trump.
And what would be the alternative? I mean you literally
have an empty vessel, an empty plate with a democratic side.
You have nothing there. And you have another factor too,
with the Hispanic population, which a lot of times they're
the victims of migrant crime. You know, like any other

(01:25:35):
ethnic group, you're more likely to be a victim of
an attack by that ethnic group. About forty percent of
all violent crimes against the Hispanics are done by people
of their ethnic group, so you know they're more vulnerable.
If you're in first generation, you could be competing directly
with people like that who are undercutting. You know, you're
asking price. If you're playing by the rules and you

(01:25:56):
yearn to be part of the American fabric, to join
the dream. You would find what's going on where people
are just wantonly breaking the law to be deeply offensive
because you want to be an American like this is
this is your goal, this is your dream. This is
why you came here. It's why you did it legally.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Scott and Greg touched on this a moment. Has anyone
ever gauged what I would label the resentment factor among
the in the Hispanic community, where you've got people who've
come to this country, they've done so the legal way.
You know, they've contributed. They feel like they're Americans versus
this large group of people that have come into the
country illegally and are getting all this free stuff. What

(01:26:37):
is the resentment factor? If there is one, I would
think there would be.

Speaker 12 (01:26:42):
I imagine that there would be two. And my wife is
actually a legal immigrant as well. And you know, I
can tell you just after jumping through the hoops that
you have to do it to do it lawfully. You know,
you see people cut ahead of you in line and
you're scratching your head thinking why was I dumb and
playing by the rules when apparently it didn't matter at all.
I could have been a hero if I had just

(01:27:04):
cut ahead and done whatever I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
So let me ask you this. I like, I'm intrigued
by plurality of reachable voters or voters whose minds can
be changed. Who would you include other than this demographic
of Hispanics would just be people with common sense, I
mean normies as I like to call them. Who is
it that you would reach out to? You get a
base that ninety five plus percent that's coming out for

(01:27:27):
you motivated, but then you need that plurality of reachable voters.
Who are we talking about? Do you think, Scott?

Speaker 12 (01:27:34):
There are a few different groups. The Asian population is
one that's kind of the same category as the Hispanic population,
where they're really becoming a much more relevant voting block
because they can be activated. You know, they're not they're
not died in the wool one way or the other.
But I think the common denominator from every every group
that you can activate everyone who is persuadable is that

(01:27:55):
they have an outcome based ideology where they're not believing
in something where like, Okay, I'm a liberal, therefore I
believe in liberal things, or I'm a socialist and therefore
I believe in socialism. They're saying, Hey, give me the
argument where I'm going to get a really good outcome
in life. I'm going to have peace of prosperity. You've
got a plan for it. If I believe in your plan,
I'll follow you. And if I believe in the other

(01:28:15):
guys play, and I'll follow him. As long as people
are willing to hear your side of the argument and
be persuaded that it could lead to a better outcome
for them, you got the potential to win them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
That sounds like the independence to me. You're the ones
that outcome. There's some common sense to outcome based ideology.
I think that you're exactly right now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Well, Scott, thanks for joining us. Enjoy that ad degree
weather down there on Tampa, would you We're jealous?

Speaker 12 (01:28:40):
Thanks Scotty, I appreciate it. I'll have another pedia Clada.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Thank you, Scott Pinsker joining us talking about the vote,
and you're right, Greg, I mean, you've got Hispanics who
still support the president, the American people, the polls we'shed
to seem illegal immigration has been a frustration for the
American people for a long long time. They've got a
man in the white tells who's doing something about it,
and they're going to stick with the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
And I think, I think that what he's sharing with
us and what these what these poles are showing, it
illustrates why the Democrat base is so desperate, why they're
willing to go so far and really risk alienating normal people,
because if they lose that that population that they brought
in here over four years, that that was kind of
their ace in the hole. That was how they were

(01:29:23):
going to try and maintain power, perpetuate power. That is
that is being put at risk in a way that
you know that I don't think they thought was possible,
and it is now possible.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Well, they're looking at the forecasted census numbers in twenty
thirty Greg and we've talked about this. They could lose
what nearly a dozen house seats.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yeah, and rightly so it's in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Congress because of the shifting population.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
And and and why for the first census ever, the
last census is when you saw California as a state
shrinking population, it's grown since it's become a state. But
why look at their look at what they're doing there.
They're the nicest, most beautiful weather in the world. They're
chasing people out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Yeah yeah, all right, morticombe. Final thoughts coming up on
the Rod and Gregg Show, Citizen Hughes and I'm Rod Arkatt.
The new twenty twenty five state population data has been
released by the Census Bureau. Greg. We've been talking about
this today. North Carolina saw the biggest surge of in
my domestic migration. Domestic migration picking up eighty four thousand

(01:30:22):
new residents. That's North Carolina. Wow wow, right coming in
second Texas sixty seven thousand, Tennessee forty two thousand, Idaho
nineteen thousand. I'm not sure where Utah is. States that
are losing, No, you're ready, California two hundred and twenty
nine thousand people sit, yes, New York one hundred and

(01:30:43):
thirty seven thousand, and that's before Mam Donne became mayor.
New Jersey thirty seven, Illinois forty, Massachusetts thirty three. And
what do they have in common?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Well, that's what I was going to say. There's two
schools of thought. They could be liberals leaving the wasteland
they created and now ruining where they're going to move.
Or you can have political refugees that are conservative and
normal and they can't take the craziness anymore. I think
the population increase you've seen in Florida has made Florida
solidly conservative. Where it used to be a swing state.
You never knew which way it was going to go

(01:31:14):
on statewide races. The Santus only won by like less
than two percent in this first race. It's now solidly red.
And my experience in Washington County and Utah that is
that growth has come from a very solid conservative population
from other states, from other states. So I don't know
where what the mindset or the politics are of all
the people that are leaving those blue states, but I

(01:31:35):
see some good things happening in terms of the population
increase in Florida and other places.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Time to poplo Champagne us. The US today has now
completed the formal withdrawal from the Paris Climate of courts.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Good. We it's our second time around, but we are
determined to do this. You just got to yes, good,
yea good good all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
And many consider this guy the greatest basketball player every Yes,
we're talking about Michael Jordan correct, All right, Michael Jordan
said this today. I love it. He basically said he
doesn't understand why people would ever vote for a Democrat. Again,
good for.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
The goats, just stepping forward.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Here's what he said. He said, all they want to
do is protest and riot. Maybe they should try doing
their jobs instead.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
There you go, that's it, yep, that's you know, remember
when he said, you know, Republicans by air Jordan's too,
you know, he and they said, why aren't you more political? Hey,
you know, people buy my tennis shoes, whether they're Republicans
or Democrats. I've got no problem with anyone. And now though,
if they're just going to cause you know, chaos and
riots and everything else, I mean he's just saying, man,

(01:32:46):
I mean, look, we know he's great because he did
what he worked. What's he saying there?

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
It worked very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah, he worked hard. Name when his work ethic was
second to none. What's he saying in that statement? Quit screaming,
quit yelling, quit, just go to work, Go to work, Go.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Do your work. If you see a problem here, work
with people to fix the problem. Yeah, don't sit there
and riot and protest and burn things. Work to fix
the problem. But they can't do that because either they
don't know how or they don't want to because they
fear losing power.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I see this at the state Capitol. I was I
was coming to the station today and I was at
the I was near the capitol and I was looking.
They had another riot or not another as you know,
movement going on. No one inside that building that's working
knows anything that's going on outside in the steps, and
it's it's just it's just performative.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
They don't care. All right, we're back tomorrow. Head up,
shoulders back. Thank God, bless you and your family.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
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