The Rod and Greg Show: Update on SAVE Act from Senator Lee; Should Trump Cap Credit Card Interest?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's almost a daily occurrence. But they're backtracking again today
on two issues, talking with Iran and Ice in TSA. Yeah,
I mean, both of which they said would be a
colossal failure or wasn't true come to find out they are.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I just think they're like, I just think they just
walked back backtrack. Do they ever track forward to not
have to come backwards? I mean everything that they say,
you know, we could it's not hyperbole to say it's propaganda,
But honestly, I think the big news is when they
admit they just pull I mean lied, and even in
the face of truth, they are very reluctant to ever

(00:36):
admit they were saying the opposite. But I think now
you know, while they were saying that they believed, the
whole network believed Iran over President Trump. Yeah, they were
a team Iran yesterday. Yeah, Trump hasn't spoken to them.
Iran has told us and we can trust Iran that
they have not had have been engaged in any discussions
with the administration or President Trump. While President Trump was

(00:57):
saying that they were inactive discussions or well, and it
looks like that. Now how your ran comes out and says,
guess what we've been talking CNN. Probably feels a little foolishit.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, and Trump said in the White House today he
thinks he's now talking to the right people in Iran.
You don't know who they are. I mean, who's leading
that country.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's actually an interesting dilemma, isn't it. They've taken out
so much of the leadership. Who is in Trump?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Who is in charge? And Trump now said today that
he feels like they're finally talking to the right people.
He's got Marco Rubio, JD Vans, Steve Woodkoff, and Jerry
Kushner involved in I guess backdoor diplomacy going on right now.
Not sure what it is. Apparently the word is that
the administration has presented a fifteen point piece plan to

(01:47):
the Iranians.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've actually read and what do you think, I mean,
what's very thorough. And I I the immediate reaction because
that came out a little while ago. When I say
a little while, I think late last week. Yeah, the
first blush reaction from Iran was no on any of them.
They were they were a no fifteen It was no,
thank you. So what what's being announced today that they've agreed?

(02:10):
I don't know that it's all fifteen, but I think
it is at least the issues surrounding nuclear capabilities and
giving up nuclear weapons is what they say they found
agreement on. But let me ask you this, Do you
trust them? No? I mean I don't think they've ever
have they even have they ever said they were pursuing
nuclear weapons? I mean when when have? I just think

(02:33):
the tell with Iraq that this regime is when you
see their lips move, you know it's a lie. So
I don't know who they're talking to, where they're feeling
comfort or they feel like a deal can be made
that they can trust. But I mean, all you have
to do is go back to February and of February
where they're saying, we have no long range missiles, long
range missiles, we hate those, we don't want anything to
do with them. And then you know they just last week,

(02:54):
they over the weekend, they threw you know, two four
thousand kilometer long range missiles towards an island, Diego Garcia,
which completely you know, contradicted every word they've ever said
about the range of their ballistic missiles. Yeah and missile system. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you can't trust him, you know, I don't know
who the President is working with, who the administration is
working with, but hopefully in the coming days we'll find out,
maybe put an end to this conflict and get moving
with things, because I think it is impacting a lot
of American especially when it comes to the gas prices,
and I think I'm not sure when the American people

(03:29):
will reach that point Greg where they say, I just
can't afford to drive that much anymore. I'm going to
have to cut back on my driving. I don't know
when that's going to happen, but you know you're paying.
Like I said yesterday, I paid four nineteen a gallon.
You know, if it starts knocking on the door of
five dollars a gallon, that's where a lot of people
are going to be a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's not enough to get me to turn on the
president in terms of not way it does, because this
is the guy that I don't see as a Neocon.
I know he hates forever wars. This is a very
reluctant commander in chief to engage and you've seen him
even in his first term war in North Korea about
kind of antics that Kim was playing and what they
would do and that was enough to get them to
settle down. Didn't happen with Iran, but I think that

(04:09):
if you could trade. I mean, let's face it, the
Biden administration they had us at five dollars a gallon
gas just because they want us to get rid of
our power gasoline powered automobiles. This is an engagement against
Iran that if it puts that at regime back forty
years in terms of their capabilities and their their missiles,
their nukes, and their terrorism, you go back four decades.

(04:31):
I am willing the gas price isn't the deal killer
for me if that's what you're getting for it versus Biden,
who just wanted you to sell your gas car and
buy an electric.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, we were talking a minute ago about trusting the Iranians.
I want you to listen to this clip. Barack Obama's
former CIA director John Brennan, right, who basically was on MSN.
Now you know he's part of the legacy media anymore,
will say anything nothing nice about Donald Trump. Listen to
what he had to say when he comes believing the

(05:01):
President when it comes to know she negotiating with the Iranian.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Ron like they are an authoritarian regime who's known a lie.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
But like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Confused, what is going on? Help me calm me down. Well,
I tend to believe it Ron more than I do.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's true, because he could not acknowledge the truth even
when it is he's slapped in the face with it repeatedly.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
He tends to believe Iran more than he does Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That is former CIA director John Brennan, who wants to
believe Iran more than the commander in chief president of
the United States. I mean, if that doesn't if that's
not Trump derangement syndrome at its worst, I don't know
what is. Because I got to assume if you've been
the director of the CIA, you've you've seen things we haven't,
you know things we don't. It's pretty I mean, it's
I don't know how he could ever express any confidence

(05:49):
in this regime out of Iran without regard to who
was president.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Now the other thing that was on MSN now or
whatever you call that network anymore, if anybody watches it
now here uns of course they're all complaining yesterday Ice
at airport. It's not going to do anything, not helping
anything at all. What a difference a day makes here
they are today reporting on what has happened some airports
around the country.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
So to see it as Ryan Young, he's over at
Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson International Airport this morning. Ryan, what do
TSA wait times look like in Atlanta this morning?

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Well, if I almost can't believe I'm able to say this,
the times have dropped off tremendously this morning. People were
waiting an hour in line. Now that is not the case.
If you look at the main checkpoint here, there seems
like a less than a dozen people. One thing I
should note to everyone, Tuesday is a traditionally slow day
here at this airport. It's a great day to travel
out because there's not as much volume. So they knew

(06:45):
today was going to drop off, But I don't think
people thought they were going to see the numbers where
they are right now. And that's TSA pre This is
the main checkpoint, and we're seeing those numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Just fall off.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Of course, the other thing that people have been asking
about is, of course, what do the ICE agents do
who are walking through the airport, what kind of responsibilities
they have?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Here?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Are too of the officers who are sort of walking
through the airport now they're patrolling the outside areas of
the airport, keeping people safe, interacting with some of the
people as they walk by, but for the most part,
they have this defensive posture where they're just sort of
walking around and making sure the perimeter is safe. The
Atlanta Police Department has also added extra security on this

(07:25):
side as well, so they want to make sure the
traveling public is safe. So far, the interactions between the
people and the agents have been pretty nice.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Isn't an interesting story complaining about ice at the airports
and all of a sudden they're nice people. They're just
walking around paying attention to security lines or you know,
I love how we qualified it. Well, it is Tuesday,
and Tuesday is not normally.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
They had to do that to say, well, he said
it was a hive of a travel day. But no
one expected the lines to shrink as much as they have.
The Democrats thought this was going to be a scary
situation that nothing that they said the leftists have said
is match. But I saw video today if some of
these lines are still pretty long in some areas and
they're handing out water, Yeah, so if someone has to
wait in line for a couple hours, they're like well,

(08:07):
hoold your place where you use the restroom. Yeah, true story.
I mean I'm seeing this happening. It just doesn't match
the doom and gloom that and the fear that some
have been trying to foment around the country about what
you do when the Democrats in the Senate just want
to shut down Department of Homeland Security and TSA. Well,
we're I think the President's finding ways to keep things moving.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
It is the Tuesday edition of the Rotten Greg Show
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can arrests rod Ourkuet along with Greg Hughes with you.
Utah sender Mike Lee will be joining us next right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine k
and ars.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I've seen I saw them. I was in San
Francisco last year, last December, and they were tooling around
no one's inside of them the wheels of freaking Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I had never done that, but we all talk about
that in the five o'clock hour because apparently there was
a bill approved by the legislature to help cities.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think they would be coming here. Yeah, maybe coming
that might not just being the people in Republic of California.
We might be getting these driver those cars. But maybe
I'm just a scaredy cat. You know, maybe people are
people are way more comfortable with those things than I am.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
All right, well, let's talk with you tas under Mike Lee.
He's joining us on our newsmaker lines under Lee, how
are you, Senator?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Thank you for joining us. Let me ask you. The
word on the street is that an agreement on the
Department of Homeland Security being funded might be on the table.
What are the terms and is it true that there
might be a twofer in this deal that could also
include your Save America Act.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah, Look, there is a lot of talk, a lot
of talk on a plan to resolve the DHS shutdown.
This shutdown should never have happened. We should never have
allowed DHS funding to be isolated. Nonetheless, there does appear
to be a plan in the works that could end
that impasse sometime this week. Knock on wood, We'll see
how it unfolds. Now, there is a piece of that

(09:52):
that I'd need to speak to directly, Thill, because there
are some reports that are coming out related to discussion
that are trying to tie in Save America to that
and suggesting that we could somehow address and effectively enact
Save America on a simple majority threshold using budget reconciliation.

(10:14):
Don't never trust any talk of a plan that relies
on passing Save America later, because that's often Washington speak
for never. Plus the voter idea and the proof of citizenship,
which are the essential elements of the actual Save America Act,
absolutely will not make it into a reconciliation build. So

(10:36):
that is a misdirection. It's hard to imagine how Save
America could be passed through reconciliation, and by hard, I
mean essentially impossible. So that part of it's not going
to work. But the rest of the deal has some
potential of making it true this week, and it'd be
great if we could end the in pass one way
or another.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Give us an idea what your schedule is like right
now with all of this, I mean, what you're seeing
out there, what you're having to go through each and
every day day to keep this alive.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Well, I've been spending a lot of time on the
Senate for listening to and then carefully addressing the arguments
made by my Democrat colleagues in opposition to the Save
America Act perhaps the biggest single chunk of my time
since we've been on this bill has been on the
Senate for listening to, writing down and been systematically addressing

(11:23):
in a thoughtful, respectful, but nonetheless forceful manner that the
arguments they're raising sound fine from a distance until you
actually look at the bill, and they are uniformly mischaracterizing
what the Save America Act does, and in some instances
they'll go a step further and mischaracterize the legal and

(11:45):
the constitutional backdrop against which it must be considered. And
so that's taking a lot of time, but it's great.
I'm not complaining about it. I'm grateful for the opportunity
to do it, because the more they talk, the more
it gives us a chance to ask.

Speaker 8 (11:59):
Them some crucial questions like.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Why exactly are you opposed to a voter ID requirement,
which a whole lot of states, including something like twenty
two twenty three Democrat states with Democrat US senators in them,
have on the books, And what exactly are you opposed
to in terms of trying to establish that those who

(12:23):
are registered to vote in US federal elections are in
fact US citizens. What do you have against that, and
what we get in response ab that is never a
direct answer to that question. It's instead a hyperbolic string
of basically slurs engineered against this bill, saying, Oh, this

(12:44):
is Jim Crob two point zero, this is going to
disenfranchise twenty one million people, it will hurt women.

Speaker 8 (12:50):
All those arguments are.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Patently untrue, and you can prove them as untrue with
the text of the statute itself, even as they are
denigrating the bill text.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Senator, there was a moment this weekend. I think it
was this weekend, and maybe you can fill in the
lengths or if I'm missing it, maybe corrected. There was
a moment where I thought that the Democrats were saying
Schumer was saying the minority leader. Schumer was saying, you know, hey,
we like voter ide. We think you should have an
ilegal ID. We just think that the Save America Act
is just too prescriptive. It's too difficult. The forms of

(13:25):
ID they want make it prohibitive, but legal photo ID
generally will We're okay with that if I read it right.
The Senate said, oh, we will give you an amendment
for that. You can use your passport, you can use
some other things. If it's a legal ID, you can
use it, and the Democrats still blocked that. I think
that's illuminating. If that is what happened on the floor,

(13:45):
that's the whole real reasons and good reasons thing. They
gave you some good reasons why they didn't like it
when you called their bluff. The only reason left is
that they just want undocumented people to vote. Did that
happen the way I described in terms of them saying
they like voter and legal ID, but it's just your
bills too strict, And then when you said, well, here's
some other forms you can use, they still hated it.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
That's essentially right. So starting last week, I believe, starting
on Wednesday continuing into Thursday, first Chuck Schumer and then
a number of other Senate Democrats started going to the
floor and on media and on social media suggesting, yeah,
we're just fine with voter ID, that's not a big deal.
Of course they're going to say that because a whole
lot of their states.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
Already have voter ID requirements.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
And I would add here, by the way, in the
last Congress, the one that ended just before President just
after President Trump was elected, every Senate Democrat here at
the time, and this is just over a year ago.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
Keep in mind, was.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
The co sponsor of legislation that included a voter ID
requirement in it. So that's why they know they can't
really push back to hard on that one. So what
we did in response to that one John Houston and
I went down to the Senate floor with that information.
John Houston is my call. He's a senator from Ohio.
He's the one that took the place of JD. Vance
when JD became the the vice president. And he's also

(15:07):
a former top elections official for the state of Ohio
and former lieutenant governor.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
And he offered up.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
A built a separate bill to pass that by unanimous
consent because the Democrats were saying, we're fine with voter
I D. And what happened, well, Democrats objected to it,
and the Democratic objector, in objecting to passing that by
unanimous consent, made arguments that curiously had nothing to do
with voter I D, nothing to do with the legislation
he was offering. They just objected and then talked about

(15:38):
something else.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Something's really weird that's happening here.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
They refused to engage with the actual facts about what
the law actually does, even this paired down law that
we tried to pass separately, planning then to go on
and continue to debate the citizenship provisions.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Separately, sender Lee Justicehoe, I mean, they keep on showing
their cards. Just a short time ago on ms NOW,
Corey Booker, colleague of yours in the Senate, basically came
out and said he raged that the Save Act would
shrink the voting about five to ten percent. So is
he saying about five to ten percent of those who
are voting today are not citizens of this country? Is

(16:13):
that what he's almost admitting?

Speaker 7 (16:15):
Yeah, So you can read that one of two ways.
Either that's what he's saying, and we've got that many
people who are not citizens who shouldn't be voting. And
if that's the case, then we got to get this
thing passed now. We should not wait to pass go
and collect two hundred dollars.

Speaker 8 (16:33):
We should do it now.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Alternatively, if he's just airballing that, if he's just making
cramp up, then that is in excusable too. But of
course he doesn't show his math. Anybody who wants to
make that argument needs to show their mouth. Look, I
like Corey Booker on a personal level that we're friends.
This argument is not a good argument. And if you
read it the first wave that I presented, then we

(16:57):
should absolutely pass it immediately.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
If you read it the more.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Cynical way of premit it, that it's not an argument
against passing Save America.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
On our any our news microlne Utah Senator Mike Lee,
more the Rod and Gregg Show coming up right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one All five nine, kay nrs.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Not enjoying the weather if you keep rubbing it in
as you well, we're such outside and we have windows here.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
We only have a windows.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
You stay connected to that weather app, so you're always
talking about the weather. I have no idea what you're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I just love the weather. Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's actually rude. We're not partly sorry.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
We just had a chance to talk with Utah sender
Mike Lee and joining us on our news Mica line
right now is Doug Truax. He's founder and CEO of
Restoration of America, talking about the Save America Act. Doug,
thanks for joining us. Doug, first of all, are you
surprised at how things are going and movement. There's very
little movement. What do you think about all that?

Speaker 10 (17:50):
Yeah, I'm not surprised at all, and I really appreciate
Center early. I mean, this is such an important piece
that I addressed in that I'll bet I did. It's
we have got to get this done now. And so yeah,
you're not seeing a lot of movement. But I really think.

Speaker 11 (18:05):
Time is on our side on this one, because this
is an.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
Eighty twenty issue, and the more time that we have
where you can have even moderate Democrats and obviously modern
Republicans who become more aware of what not necessarily your
you know, your listeners are are are base conservatives and
things like that. But if you have more moderate Republicans
and more moderate Democrats are saying, what the heck is

(18:30):
going on with this thing? What are they actually talking about?
And they drill into it and they realize, okay, this
is about voter ID which is a great idea nationwide,
and they they they get more educated on I think
the pressure is going to build on obviously our guys
for sure, but there's also some some you know, Slotkin
and these these uh, these kind of in these light

(18:52):
blue states where it's possible that they get a lot
of pressure. So I say, we just keep pushing. I mean,
this is something we got to find out right now.
This is our time. I think a lot of people
are forgetting that. Part of the reason, the huge part
of the reason that Trump and everybody won in twenty
four is because everybody is still upset about twenty twenty
and how things played out in that election.

Speaker 11 (19:11):
And so this is.

Speaker 10 (19:11):
Another This is our opportunity to right some of those
wrongs and to make sure that going forward that it's
harder for the Democrats to cheat, which is, by the way,
is why they're so adamantly posed to it, because they
know once we get this in it, it just makes
it more difficult for them to cheat overall.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know, Doug, That's what I was going to say,
is that if I had a light detector test, that
I could put every Democrat and everybody that counts elections
in those blue states and put them on a lie detector,
it would be this bill. Okay, Because this bill is supported,
as you point out, eighty twenty eighty five fifteen by
all Americans without regard to political affiliation. This is widely
accepted as photo ID is appropriate, They still argue against it.

(19:52):
They don't have a straight faced argument why. The only
conclusion you can come to is they want it to
be loose. The rules to be loose can cheat. So
I feel like we're just seeing this. Do you think
America is really it's dawning on Americans that for an
issue that's so intuitive to see them fight so hardy
they can be having the Democrats, it's proof they cheat

(20:13):
or they want to cheat? Is this is are people
connecting those dots?

Speaker 11 (20:18):
Well, it's definitely the case. And I think that.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
You know, the the media did such a effective job
for years doing the oh you're an election denier, which
I probably have borne that moniker, but I'm being vindicated
as they go for here with all the FBI raids
and everything else. I think that there's a there's a
stigma around oh, you know, the elections are fine and stuff,
but everybody says, well, wait a minute, you got you know,

(20:46):
you don't have to have voter ID in some states,
even if you are in a state that does. And
then you're thinking, okay, well if that's not if that's
not the case in an important state, then that you know,
they could sway that state and it doesn't matter what
happens in mine.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
And plus you know, people realize too that you.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
Know, Biden took one for the team and they opened
the border, and there's probably still thirty thirty five million
illegals in the country, and whether they get them to
vote now or later, it's the material to them. They're
just seeking power. And so what they would want to
do over time is if there's no voter ID laws,
it makes it easier for anybody to vote. And so
you start shifting those people over to voters over time,

(21:22):
even if they're not legal, and then you know, these
races are tight, and then and then they're winning more
and more, and I think that that's their long term play.
That's why I absolutely say we have got to fight
it out right now. We cannot back down.

Speaker 12 (21:33):
Now.

Speaker 11 (21:33):
They're time to do this, and.

Speaker 10 (21:35):
If we don't pull it off, Republicans, I mean, it's
like it's hard to tell base voters in the prime
in the mid terms, they come out and vote.

Speaker 11 (21:42):
And by the way, I didn't get.

Speaker 10 (21:43):
The voter I d thing done even though it was
age twenty and we had power.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, you know, crazy, Yeah, Doug, you know what I
think is so funny. Is they keep on showing their
cards and they're open about it. I Mean, there was
an interview today on MS now where Corey Booker said,
you know, if this passes, you know, they're could be
five to ten percent of the American population that does
not vote because of this law. So is he saying
five to ten percent of the people who vote in

(22:08):
this country are illegal aliens? Is that what he's so
worried about. I mean, they're showing their cards all the.

Speaker 10 (22:13):
Time, a right' that's what he's not saying. But they're
touching it with like, oh, it's so hard for people
to get an ID. It's like, I don't know, I've
never met anybody who didn't have an ID, you know,
in some form or fashion, but does go back to
prove your citizen, which you know they don't want that.
And because of what you're just saying, look at Corey
Booker in a Jersey Okay, anybody's been around a Jersey

(22:35):
for extented period of time. Know, there's a lot of
legals there, right, And so it's like this is part
of their By beginning my political career was in Chicago,
and I know what they do. They just like they know,
they just need.

Speaker 11 (22:46):
Somebody to come through and claim to this person.

Speaker 10 (22:48):
If there's no voter ID, they just say, yeah, you're
that person, go ahead and vote and yeah, okay. So
maybe they don't sway some state race, but the down
ballot races are tight all the time, you know, the
smaller races and everything else, and they can sway those.
So you know, they're just like the Democrat Party is
just like a big conspiracy to gain power now and
they're going to do anything they can. So this is

(23:09):
the top of their list, and we're you know, we're
right over the target and we just need to strengthen
the spine of our guys because they got to do it.
This is this is why we voted them in. And
all these senators are like, oh, I don't know, this
sounds hard. It's like, look, you got the job. You know,
you got your big you got all your DC cocktail
parties and all your stuff you go to and all
your power and prestige. Well now it's time to deliver.

(23:30):
So we don't want to hear the excuses. Just figure
it out, you know, find it out, get it done,
absolutely out of it.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
So, Doug, here's the thing, you got a list of
co sponsors, and that co sponsor list really represents the
majority of the Senate. Okay, so they're all Republicans, they
say they co sponsor it. If you have a if
you have a Republican United States senator who has co
sponsored that bill but opposes the talking filibuster, which if
you oppose, that means you think it needs sixty votes,
which they all know there's not sixty votes inside that

(23:55):
chamber to pass this bill. Does their co sponsorship mean
anything for the bill if they will not if they
don't also support the talking filibuster to get it past, right.

Speaker 10 (24:06):
It's just it's just, uh yeah, it's just they just
signed their name and hope for the best and hope, well,
in their case, hope it would go away. But I
think that they definitely we're in a place now where
you know this is happening. You know, we're all having
this conversation and there's more of it going on, and
they're like, oh boy.

Speaker 11 (24:20):
Maybe I got myself in trouble here.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
And procedurally, you know, you ask anybody, you have ten
different people, you're gonna get ten different answers on how
to do things procedurally.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
In the Senate.

Speaker 11 (24:28):
But part of it is you guys just figure it out.

Speaker 10 (24:30):
And I was like, well, you know, we all we
all have to sit in our seats and they can
come in one at a time and talk and stuff
like that.

Speaker 11 (24:37):
Okay, fine, understood that.

Speaker 10 (24:39):
That may be a problem.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
But you guys figured it out.

Speaker 10 (24:41):
You know, you're our guys. We put you in power.
It's a big deal to us. And you know what
is another Republican side ninety five to five, you know,
one hundred zero, And so I'm just like, you guys
got to figure it out. This is this is why
we hired you. That's why you got why you got elected.
So yeah, if you put it, I'm sorry. If you
co signed it and you didn't think it would go
this far, well live with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Doug Truex, he is the founder and CEO of Restoration
of America, joining us on our Newsmaker line talking about
the talking filibuster, the wait in the long lines, and
everything else going on and right now, members of Congress
get special perks when they go on a plan when
they're flying home, right, they don't have to go through
security checkpoints. They just walk right on right. Well, tilta

(25:21):
Is that no more? Yeah? You know Delta has the
old Congress. You want to fly on Delta, you fly
just like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I love you know it should be that way anyway.
I don't know why they have these special perks. And
I'm telling you, the only time they get that Senator
ever gets serious about anything is when you take away
their recess time. Take away the recess time or their perks,
or their perks or their perks.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
All right, we're all talking about driverless cars in Utah.
They're coming. Are you ready for it? Coming up next?

Speaker 13 (25:49):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
What is it when we see cars driving around by themselves,
without human beings and them I've witnessed this myself. I
got video, I took a picture. I showed it to
you before the show start. Yeah, it's a real thing.
I saw it in San Francisco, and apparently it might
be coming here to Utah.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, I think we're planning or we're preparing for it,
just in case it does come here. You know, we
aren't there yet, but we're getting close to George Jetson
and the flying car.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, I just I swear in the Jetson's they were
still flying those rocks. I think they flew themselves, did they?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think so?

Speaker 12 (26:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I think they take it wherever you want to go.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, in this session, this last general session that just concluded,
I think they paved the way Hunt intended. They paved
the way. So there's some statutory language that that allows
for and contemplates uh driverless cars to navigate the roads
of Utah in whatever I guess they can do by jurisdictions,
county or cities or something.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't know. Well, the sender, Kurt Kullamore, who is
the Senate majority leader, sponsored to bill not signed yet
by the governor. But it basically, greg would create a
pan for recovery of people injured in autonomous vehicle accidents. Okay,
you kind of gott to be ahead of this game.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, that sounds like the wrong thing to focus on.
That sounds like a well how do you how do
you govern them? I don't know, but starting with them
getting hurt seems a bit morbid. I don't want to
start with I don't need the ambulance at the bottom
of the cliff. I want the fence above it. I
want to know how I'm gonna get around safely, not
how I'm going to get compensated from hurt.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
What they're trying to do is establish a liability framework. Okay,
don't you have to.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean, if you got an attorney. I was at Waker,
I've got a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
If you're involved in an accident, okay with an autonomous vehicle,
who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Whoever owns that vehicle? So you don't need a framework, Well,
I guess you do. If they ran a bill that
went there, I just think that's the last place i'd
want them to go. Like what happens when you get hurt,
it's just I think it's just bad karma. I'd rather
than talk about how they make them work.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, how do you what? What?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
What do you? What do you?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
How do you regulate them?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
You're the lawmaker.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
You've come up with all the law. If I if
I was a lawmaker, I would just say that I
would go into the enforcement of traffic laws and how
you would ticket or if you found it violating the law.
It doesn't you know, it speeds or it turns right
when it's you know, runs a red light.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I imagine these autonomous cars, okay are perfect drivers. Well,
that's it's all computer programmed right now. You you've been
in San Francisco and again, apparently they have a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Of them there yet time or they're everywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Everywhere, They're everywhere. You've seen how they perform. Have you
written in one yet?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Heavens no, I haven't read one.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Would you write in one? Not at this moment? I
would not because the technology too early.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, because here's what happens. They work perfect until they don't. Okay,
and do you know what don't mean don't isn't like
oh I just will pull over the side and not
work anymore. They stop in the middle of like places
you're not supposed to stop. Okay, you know this for sure.
I'm telling you. I saw. I saw the videos of it.
Those they got steep hills there in San Francisco. One

(29:04):
of these things stops in the middle of the road
and steep hill. Very problematic.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Didn't have to do what it was, I guess, but
it was stopped.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It was creating all traffic. They work perfectly until they don't.
And when they don't, that's the part that has me, well,
I want to watch that play out a little bit.
Let's let everyone else be the guinea pig. I'm not.
I'm going to watch that play out and before I
get inside one of them.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Okay, you'll be around. But twenty years from now, where
will we be with driverless cars.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think we'll I think I think they'll be predominant. However,
I think that's I worry about that because if you
think about our workforce, think about how many professional driving
jobs we have, whether it's deliveries, whether it's buses, whether
it's chauffeurs, whether, I mean, there's just a lot, a
lot of that's true, people whose profession includes driving every

(29:50):
single day, Uber drivers, even the side hustles people have
of Lyft and Uber. If all, if everything goes automated,
where do all those There's a lot of jobs connected
with driving.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So we shouldn't do it because we'll lose jobs.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I'm like, you know, I worry about I'm like the uh,
the horse and buggy industry and the candle maker. You know,
I'm just worried about these cars in this electricity it's
very worrisome.

Speaker 13 (30:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't know how the I think it displaces a
lot of jobs. You just got to figure out where
where the new jobs are going to come from. Because
aren't you where aren't you worried with AI and everything
else that we are gonna we are gonna technology wise,
We're going to progress ourselves right out of gameful employment.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think we will adapt, and I now there may
be some changes, there may be opportunities, you know, I
have what I've got. Two or three of my grandchildren
are in robotics classes, and I've told them study man,
because you're going to rule the world.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Someday they might. But what if the robots know how
to make themselves? You've seen the terminator? You know how
you're getting too free?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I'll tell you what you don't think AI. If you
told me that AI would be doing what's doing today
just five years ago, I adn't see it coming. I
didn't m M, I didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But on this yes, on this side now. I one
of my sons has a tesla. It drives itself if
you wanted to. So he took me for a ride
with it in it one day. He said, Dad, you
want to drive itself? And said, yeah, let me see
what he can do. And he told where wan to go,
and it drove us up there. He got off the
he got off the interstate on a ram, turned around

(31:24):
and came back the other way without any issue. Now,
it was freaky from start to stop start to stop.
It was freaky, But I'm going kind of cool. I mean,
even the car I drive now, when I go a
long trip, I put and yours does this as well.
I put it on cruise control. I have to steer it,
but it slows down, it speeds up. If I want

(31:45):
to change lanes, it'll change lanes for me. So that's
almost car.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
My car will do the driver list, it'll change lanes,
it'll see when to change lane, it'll sing, it'll turn
turn thing on, it'll move over, it'll pass, it'll get
back in the travel lane. And my steering whill has
like a green light when it's working. Yeah it does,
and then it'll go red if it's quitting on me.
So I know. But it also has this little thing
that watches if my head turns it away from it. Yeah,

(32:10):
it's very boss It's very bossy that way. And so
if you have to keep looking forward, what's the point
in having it drive? I mean, I way you do it, then,
I don't know. I did. I drove it from here
all the way to Saint George just to try it,
and it I liked it. I liked it, but but
I had to look out but always, but it was
so fussy about me turning my face. I'd have to

(32:31):
like look out my perifle if I want to see someone,
because I couldn't turn my eyes. So I try to
look out the corner of my eyes and things because
if I didn't, it would it would yell at me.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Really well, it just flash and tell me to look
at the look and you should be looking at.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I don't want to be told what you be drifted
around or tell me what to do. I don't need.
I don't want to be bossed around.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
All right. I want to find out. Now you have
seen it, but you haven't ridden in one yet. I
have not gotten inside one of those things, and you
wouldn't not to.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Nope, I won't do it.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well down the road you may.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I will have to see. I look for pattern recognition.
I want to see how these things work. They work
perfectly till they don't. I want to see what the
don't looks like.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, okay, well, I wonder what their listeners think about
driver list cars.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You seem very cavalier about this. This sounds like you're
ready to jump right in one right now, in the
future for your life. Wake up? Is the future? What
are you talking about it?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
It is the future.

Speaker 12 (33:24):
I got.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I got my concerns, well, and legitimate concerns, as do
I but I think the future is going to be
very bright for driverless cars. Yeah, you're buying into that one,
are you? Eighty eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two to fifty say hey, hey, Rod,
leave us come in on our talk back line. We've
got some callers already wanting to weigh in on the

(33:47):
driverless cars.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Right now, let's go to Dean and Bountiful. Dean, what
do you think of these driverless robotic cars that are
going to drive you around? If you're lucky, I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
I don't trust them right now.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
Here's my question.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
Let's say one of these drivers cars is going too fast,
assistant conditions, or somehow malfunction.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
How do police pull them over?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yes? These are questions, Dean. Yeah, I'm I'm picking up
what you're putting down. I do not know what does
what happens next? That's what happens next moment. We need
to all collectively understand what.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I would imagine. They would have a sign on the car.
If I'm driving the improperly call this number and they
control it.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
No, that's not gonna work. I'm still stuck in that car.
You know, it's breaking the law.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
They aren't going to break the law. They aren't going
to break the speed limit. They're going to turn right.
I don't think they will.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Sometimes it posted speed limit, isn't isn't those speed limits again?
Because there could be congestion, mister speedy. No, I'm just
saying the congestion. How does it know? All right?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Your calls to your comments coming up eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone. The
I'll pound two to fifteen, say hey Ron, or leave
us a comment on our talk back line right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Gannerous vehicles
that drive themselves. You just sit in the back seat,
or I guess you could sit in the front seat
on the passenger side and enjoy a car that takes

(35:09):
you wherever you want to go. Lawmakers are gearing up
for it. They're smart. They're looking for ways to control.
You know, how do you respond who people are injured?
If they're in one of these autonomous cars, they're looking
at it, and we're talking to you about it. I mean,
folks here ready, it's I know, Hughes, you hate this idea,
but I think it's.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Am I allowed to be set in my ways? Is
this something that we can still do? I'm getting a
lot of grief from people. You think that I'm being
that I am just a backward person because I am
expressing my concern. I'm being told that this is a
selfish and a short sighted position that I hold. I
just want to, you know, I should be able to
be set in my waist. I think I've I've lived
in long enough life that I can say, Okay, I

(35:48):
like this version, the one where you drive your own car.
I like this. Yeah. So why do I have to
be the one that that change and one you know,
these robots and these autonomous truck car I just, you know,
I can we just have some I just don't know.
I'm glad San Francisco wants to be the guinea pig
and they've been doing it for a while, and that's good.
I mean, we'll learn from that.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
So goes California, So goes the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, please, don't you know what they're doing kids, that's
they do with cell phones. That's what it is that
with the cell phone exactly. Well, we want to sar,
what's the cell phones? It's gone downhill from there.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, we're talking about Utah lawmakers. They approve some illegal
framework so to speak for driver list cars hoping to
attract companies here to Utah. I think they're coming. We
want to get your thoughts on this eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey, rot or leave
us a comment on our talkback line by downloading the
iHeartRadio app. Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yes, let's go to Russell and Tremont and uh Russell.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (36:52):
Hey, thanks guys, I appreciate it. I have some opinions
about this matter because I've been telling my kids, I'm
forty two and I've been saying, you know what, in
your lifetime. I think they're going to make a case
where it's too it's too risky to lost humans of
driving work. Because I think that's what's coming is they
will be able to prove it with technology that humans
are the majority cost of risks for accidents, collisions and

(37:14):
all that, and so I think about that in their lifetime.
I think they're gonna make it case of, well, you
don't have the right to drive anymore. So my first
prediction is I worked in the trucking industry and for
one of the largest truck manufacturers in America, and they're
already that point, like we're watching our newest trucks. They'll
steer themselves. They have such amazing radars and collision systems,
like we're so close already, and so I see that

(37:36):
technology coming. And my prediction is, I think at first
they're gonna do it with the interstate highway or the
freeway system, because that makes the most sense. And that's
that I'm not opposed to that as well, because I
think overnight you would solve so many accident problems and
even congestion that if you made it some sort of
a requirement the vehicles had to talk to one another, man,

(37:56):
they could they could make some good things happen where
vehicles don't collide no more. You know that they could.
They could do some good things. And so I I
see it at first that that's where that's going to
be required or you have to have driver lists vehicles
or minimum technology that allows it to take over, right,
because that's the safety implications are huge. But I'm doubtful

(38:16):
in my lifetime that it's going to be one hundred
percent everywhere because when we have a roads and streets
and yeah, and I just don't think technology knows every
blade of grass or pebble yet.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Right, Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right on that, Russell.
But can't you admit this new technology is making our
roads a bit safer. I think it is.

Speaker 14 (38:33):
Oh absolutely yeah, But here's this too. What's going to
happen to the insurance industry overnight too? If this happens,
will go up the political or it could go the
other way too. They I mean, they could run. I
could see them run to Congress and lobby and say, hey,
this is going to bankrupt the insurance industry because what
if we free up accidents or something. So but I

(38:54):
like you're saying, I think it would compensate saying, well,
if it's going to be driver lists, then somebody's got
on that of if your technology allows collisions somehow, who's
going to pay for?

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Right?

Speaker 14 (39:03):
But I mean I imagine that also the other side
of saying, let's hop in the car and tomorrow morning
will be in Vegas and I for that in a heartbeat, right.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Russell brings up a good part. The only part that
he said that I hadn't thought about before is if
you were prohibited from driving. Can you imagine if they
limited your right to travel and to go around you
cannot You have to use this, you know, you have
to use the driverless car, driverless cars, and then once
you do that, they it can be controlled. I mean
you yah, they could turn them off.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Let me tell you what that will only happen if
the Democrats are in control, would allow that to happen.
Republican the Democrats getting control forget your driver's license?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, you might like. So let's go to Steven. Now,
let's hear from Steven, who's on I fifteen. He's in
the belly of the Beast on a drive on the
on the commute home. Steven, Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (39:52):
Thanks for taking a call. Guys. You know I think
this is this is coming and Utah, sadly to say,
is way far behind. I travel these amount for work
and in Phoenix they've had these vehicles operating commercially in
the downtown area for Phoenix for probably five years now.
Now they do limit them to downtown. I was just
in Vegas as last weekend. Then they have them there

(40:14):
and they have some control test cases where they're able
to watch them and say, okay, you can only operate
within a certain zones, so they can kind of control
certain aspects just to see what's happening. I work in
engineering and architecture, and we see a lot of our
automation already, and you know, this has been going on
for almost twenty years. I've got a new clients this year.

(40:35):
We'll have clients have new projects this year. They're looking at,
you know, building a road, building roads and laying pipes
this year with these automated heavy equipment based off of
machine control models I built for them and then send
over we'll set control what they can know what they're
doing in the field and where they're at. And they're

(40:57):
going to be slipping concrete this year, testing it, whereas
in the last five and ten years they've been testing excavation.
And now we're looking at, you know, removing certain workers
from the workforce because the machines can take care of themselves.
And when we use AI in our industry, in the office,
our conversation is always center around you know, we're able

(41:19):
to move so much faster because we have AI. We're
not looking at firing people yet. But you know in
McDonald's they're rolling out buildings that are completely automated now.
Last two years ago, the Linden the Walmart was testing
drone deliveries for prescriptions. I work with drones and i've

(41:42):
and I know for a fact that our drones are
already communicating with the helicopters that are flying around the
hospitals and some of these other air bases that I
work near at, so I know there's communication going on.
And the question really just comes down to how do
we get all those equipment to talk to each other
in the case of in the case of these cars,

(42:03):
you know, Europe has been testing these vehicles for almost
twenty years. At the federal level, it was restricted about
ten to fifteen years ago because the technology was an
advanced enough to guarantee enough safety. But in California they're
already having some questions about it because the models of
the vehicles use allow the vehicles to kind of make

(42:24):
some judgments when there's no one in the car, and
so you'll have illegal U turns and the cops pull
the car over, in the car to the top and
pull them over. But they're like, who do we write
the ticket to? Who do we hold possible? How do
we update the software?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, Steven, I've got to coach you off there. I've
got to get to a break. But interesting, it is
happening around the country. We're just a little bit by
those times.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
He works in engineering architecture and a lot of his
work is happening. That's that's absolutely fascinating. Input there, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
More of your calls coming up, your comments on this
here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine, can us.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Let's just get back to those calls right now. Let's
go to Bill from Unpleasant Grove. Bill, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Ronn and Gregg Show.

Speaker 13 (43:06):
Yes, Hello, I am a retired educator. I now work
a couple of days a week as a ride share driver.
The majority of people this subject has come up. The
majority of people who ride with me who talk about
this want a human in the car, no question. But
besides that, I spent three weeks in the San Francisco

(43:29):
Bay Area last Christmas with the terrible storms and everything else,
there were numerous power failures in San Francisco because they're
not maintaining their infrastructure. No surprise there. But when power
went out in large districts all during the Christmas holidays,

(43:50):
all the way, mos stalled. They stopped wherever they were.
They just stopped, hundreds of them in intersections in the
middle of the road. Service vehicles could through, Utility trusts
could not get through. Emergency vehicles could not get through. Uh.
The technology just has not matured to this point yet. Uh,
it's coming, but the technology really isn't there yet. If

(44:14):
an emergency occurs, Uh, they just don't know what to do.
They just shut down.

Speaker 15 (44:20):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (44:20):
And I saw this in real time in December, So
definitely the case.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I think in the future, Thank you, Bill. They'll figure
this out in the future.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh, it's coming for sure. I mean, look, my hesitations
are you know, it's just it's new.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But the days of a horse and buggy for.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know, simpler times, simpler times. Why why why is
that a bad thing? Okay, let's go to Patent Pleasant Grove.
Pat thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and
Greg show.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I can.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
Okay, I'm just on my car. Uh car Audio.

Speaker 13 (44:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Got two daughters, both of them have a genetic disease,
which is they started taking their vision. And yeah, he's
the car of the future. I've driven a Tesla self

(45:20):
driving and you don't know what kind of relief that
would give the one daughter that has not lost her license.
It's still she's still in the process.

Speaker 12 (45:29):
Of losing her vision and.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
It's hopefully stabilized for now. But the driverless car is
something that will happen. I've got a second cousin whose
husband has been working on the driverless car for the
last twenty years.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (45:47):
Wow, And it will be here.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
And you don't know the relief it is when my
one daughter can get in a Tesla and with her
family and go across town at thirty five miles an hour. Yeah,
which she's allowed to do.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well, there are advantages great, well, you know I heard
pat story. You know, for people who can't drive because
of issues, have a driverless car, get in and tell
where to go.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
So and I think some disabilities that would prevent someone
from being able to navigate an automobile are growing. So
the population. This would help, in all seriousness, would be
a miracle to many lives and many people. And I'll
give you that.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
And to be real honest, the ones that like you
showed me today in San Francisco, they're ugly.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Oh yeah, you get the things on the top of them,
they're all out.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
We'll change technology will get there. We're talking about driverless
cards here in the state. The lawmakers are looking at
setting up a framework to protect those of you who
may be involved in an accident with an autonomous car.
But they're coming, folks, and we've had some collars say
look at we're behind the times. They've got them in Phoenix,
they've got them in Las Vegas, Lee, in San Francisco.

(47:01):
And we're kind of getting your reaction to all of this.
We'll go to your phone calls, but we have a
call or comment on our talk back line. Let's listening
to it.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Hello, Rod and Gregg. This is step from Layton, Utah.
So people that want to have a car that drives itself,
they should get a license that only allows them to
be inside a vehicle that drives itself and not have
the ability to drive a full vehicle. And what do
they call it Department of Motor Vehicles. So all the
little bikes that are electric, they should have a license

(47:32):
with that too, Department of Motor Vehicles. Those bikes have
motors in them.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Thanks, I have any bike, Yeah, you should have a
license for that. No, I don't need a license for
a way. Do you drive it on the roads? Yes, Well,
then it's a motor vehicle. It's motorized.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
It's powered by me.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
No, it's a he has a motor, I have to power.
Does it have a motor?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't know if we have a it has a battery,
It doesn't have a motor jury, I rest case. Does
it does have a It does have a motor, has
a battery.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, cars Thatt batteries her and I.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
But they also have a motor too. Well, I think
the bikes don't have mot.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's a vehicle, and I think all motor vehicles should
have a license.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah. Yeah, So we go back to the phone.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
That's yeah, okay. Carl is a very patient Carl on
Salt Lake City. Thank you for holding Sarah. Welcome to
the Riding Gregg Show.

Speaker 12 (48:22):
Greg. I totally agree with you, and I'll tell you
why I should have a quadruple redundancy on knowing where
other vehicles are. You have literally know how an aircraft
a commercial aircrafts have but has a transponder to literally
communicate with the runway when it's coming in for a landing.

(48:43):
Have that a transponder on every car as well as
the lie are and everything else that it literally judges
distance from. If it literally gets a discrepancy on the
distance between the things it goes with, the ones that
would automatically figure it's too close and it would all

(49:04):
you know, start slowing down. I have a friend of
mine that three years ago had a three year old
Tesla and he said it's been getting a lot better
than it was when it was brand new. It's been
getting a lot better. And I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, Carl,
don't say, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Sure I'd like that.

Speaker 12 (49:25):
About five blocks he had to take it back briefly
control from it, and I'm like, Okay, well, this might
eventually get good someday, but it needs to literally know
where all the other vehicles are and perfected skills. It's
like a teenage driver.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, car, you're by the way, they do have distance
control now, I mean you can you.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Know Carls right down on triple redundancy all that. I mean,
he had it down, he described it that is. I
guarantee you it doesn't have the same safety that an
airplane has. We should So I'm saying, man, you saw
the pick I gave you the pictures from San Francisco.
I showed if you're ready to dive into that car
right now, you're braver thane of them. It's coming. I

(50:11):
guarantee I know it's coming one day. But I'm telling
you I've seen these things and they look fine when
they're know when it's working. I just wouldn't I'm not
ready to. I wouldn't stick my kids in it right now.
I wouldn't put me in it.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Well, I mean, for a lot of people, the technology
is very in the early stages. But we've had a
couple of callers who work in this field and they're
talking about the steps that are being taken. Who was
it the the band who builds eighteen wheelers two trailers.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's right, that is rapidly direction. It's rapidly moving. Didn't
say they have arrived. Well, so I'm just saying, you know,
I think that we have some time I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You want to delay it as long as you can.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
If I can help it. Yes, I'm not ready, But again,
can you call me. I recognize all the benefits, there
are benefits out there. I get it, but I'm set
my ways and I'm not ready to jump into that
thing just yet.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Donald Trump launching a war on credit cards. We'll get
into that with you coming up next. Our number three
of the Rotting Greg Show is on his way. Just
got to be careful of them, folks. I know too
many people who just have let them run up, use
them all the time, and they turn around and one
day they have got any money to pay them.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, there's you know, if you if you max them
out and you pay make the minimum payments. I think
it's longer than a mortgage.

Speaker 15 (51:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, that's not a best practice.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
No, no, So be careful of But apparently the President
is working with of all people, Bernie Standards and Elizabeth
Warren on maybe putting some price controls there, some kind
of limit on credit cards, which I don't know if
I'm a big fan of.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
And you know what, here's the deal. I remember when
President Trump came out with this, I actually was I
believe that there's been some challenges here where we and
I'll get into it when we have this discussion about
this interest rate harvesting. When the interest rates go down
and the and the bank's credit cards, that would usually
extend the credit or the loans they benefit, but to consumers,

(52:06):
don't worry about that. And then the transaction fees if
you look at Europe, look at other places, ours are
a lot lot higher things like that. You know, I
just think the everyday guy could use a brake, but
I certainly don't want to subscribe to anything that AOC
or Bernie Sanders likes.

Speaker 13 (52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
that is Phil Kirpen. He's president of the American Commitment. Phil,
you've been writing about this and you say the president
has launched a reckless war on credit cards. Exactly what
is he doing and why?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Well, he's endorsed two different proposals. Basically, they would put
very stringent price controls on the two ways that credit
card companies and banks make money from their credit card products.
One is a ten percent annual interest rate cap, which interestingly,
Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Lawren and AOC were for a
fifteen percent until the President decided it to be ten.

(52:57):
Then they instantly switched his ten. The president wanted to
do it for one year to kind of help people
dig out of the hole from the inflation bulge under Biden.
But of course, you know, you can't embrace leftist ideas
but try to do them on a temporary basis. You
get outdid immediately, and Bernie Sanders responded to the president's
one year proposal by saying, okay, great, but let's do

(53:20):
it for six years. And of course I'm sure they
would want to make it permanent. And then they also
want to put price controls on the swipe seas that
merchants are charged when they run a credit card transaction,
which can be you know, one and a half to
three percent or so, and that's what pays for all
the awards programs and so forth. And so they want
to essentially kill the revenue for credit cards. And if

(53:42):
you do that by government regulation, then credit cards will
no longer be available for most Americans, especially if you
did that ten percent interest rate cap. Most industry estimates
i've seen suggest that the new cutoff for who would
be credit worthy would be somewhere around a seven forty
credit score, which is to say, eighty percent of Americans
would no longer be able to have credit cards, their

(54:03):
cards would be canceled, or their limits will be lowered
to almost nothing, and I think that would almost certainly
tip us into recession also, So I think this is
a very dangerous proposal. The President mentioned it once a
couple of months ago, then he didn't mention it again.
So you know, you might say maybe it was a trial.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
Balloon and we're in the clear.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
But I'll tell you, Rod, when you have a bad
idea that's been associated with the far left and suddenly
you have a popular Republican president saying he likes it,
it makes me very nervous because if something could pop
up at any time and you could get, you know,
enough support from across the aisle to actually get attached
to something. So that's why we're trying to kind of
shine a spotlehead on that.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Well, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are no you know,
weather vans for us on this program, So did Julie
note it?

Speaker 13 (54:50):
Phil?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Let me ask you this question because I have heard
some frustration about credit card companies generally or just that
there is People have said, you know, when the Fed
lowers are rates, the things you look at as your
auto loans interest rates go down, your credit card rates
go down. People are arguing, and I'm open to this
not being true. I hope it's not that there is
a what they call an interest rate harvesting, that when
you see the Fed go down in terms of interest rates,

(55:12):
your credit card interest rates are staying the same, and
that there's just a there's a greater profit margin or
a vehicle for profit amongst the credit cards, whereas credit
cards are kind of the vehicle for consumer spending, but
if they get bogged down on too high of interest rates,
it's it's problematic. Is there interest rate harvesting amongst our
credit card companies? When the Fed rollers their rates, they

(55:33):
kind of stay the same.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Typically what happens is for the people who already have cards,
they're pretty hesitant to drop them unless you call an
aspect to And so when you do have the when
the market moves down, you can probably get a new
card from someone at a lower rate, But the cards
that you already have you probably have to call and
tell them, hey, can you lower our rate? I'm gonna
switch to a different and then they often will.

Speaker 12 (55:56):
But it all.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Depends on your specific risk profile and your credit background
and so forth, because remember we're talking about unsecured loans.
Credit cards are unsecured loans different. It's very different in
a way from a car loan or a home loan
in that there's no collateral to repossess their foreclothes, and
so they they've developed pretty sophisticated models to try to,
you know, determine what the non payment risk is. And

(56:19):
they've got their own cost of capital. They've got their
administrative costs, and they're overhead their labor costs and so forth,
but then they've got this non payment risk. The non
payment risk doesn't really change when the overall interest rates
in the economy change, their own cost of capital does,
and so you would expect to see a little bit
of a reduction, but a lot of it still depends
on how much risk you present individually as a bar

(56:41):
or how how much they at risk they think there
is that you will not pay back what you borrow,
and so you know that unsecured nature and that individual
risk model is why typically the rates will stay pretty high.

Speaker 15 (56:54):
At least if you look at.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
It on an annual basis, but of course it's a
little more cop The annual percentage rate can all be
pretty deceptive because of course, you know, if you pay
by your due date, you pay zero interest, and if
you carry a balance for another month or two past that.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
You're going to be paying.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
But you got to divide that annual rate by twelve
and then multiply it by the number of months you're
carrying that balance, which I hope is less than a year.
And so the actual amount of your interest you're using,
if you're using the cards responsibly, is going to be
a lot less than that annualized rate. So there's a
lot that goes into it. But what I what I
point out when people complain about this is this is

(57:29):
a super super hyper competitive market. If you've got reasonably
good credit and you're you're at the mast, you want
to do bits you can come where you can one
of the new cards, even as a zero percent and a half.
And so if you're in a situation where you know
you really need to add as the credit, you're going
to be carrying the balance for a while because something's

(57:51):
come up. I would tell people, look to open a
new card that's got a zero percent promotional rate on
to give yourself that breathing room. But it's such a
competitive market that there's a lot of deals out there.
There are a lot of deals out there without you know,
needing government regulation.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Phil, Are you you know, we all know that price
controls do not work. Are you surprised that Trump he
is even thinking about this idea? Is he doing this
to show people that you know, he's concerned about their
cost He's got the midterms coming up? Are you surprised
the president would even think about doing anything like this?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Well, you know, this is a president who is not
you know, I think he prides himself on not being
sort of limited by you know, traditional Republican ideology.

Speaker 15 (58:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Is yeah, or maybe any ideology. It's a good he
loves terifs I mean, I think, you know, I think
he he knows a lot of people are struggling with
credit Cardetti's seeing the numbers out of the New York
Fed and so forth. Although, by the way, you know,
a lot of the reasons we're setting records in overall
consumer debt is that we had so much inflation. If
you inflation adjusted, it's not really it's not an inflation

(58:59):
adjusted per borrower basis, it's actually relatively flat. But I
think he's seen some of these big numbers, and he's saying,
you know, you know, what can I do to at
least lean on some of the banks to lower this
even if we don't actually pass a bill or do
something regulation wide. And so I think some of it
was job owning a little bit to put a little
pressure on them to lower rates.

Speaker 8 (59:20):
But I also just think.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
You know, he doesn't necessarily think two, three, four steps
ahead or down the road a number of years are
where things lad.

Speaker 15 (59:26):
He wants to do something, he would you know, it's.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Sort of first order thinking, Right, I want to save
people money. I'm gonna try to lower their interest rate.
So I'm gonna start talking about this. The problem, as
I said, is you might think, you know, it's at
a one time, temporary thing. It's not gonna have a
huge disruptive effect in the market. We're trying to get
people out of the hole they're in because of Biden,
and that's certainly how he framed it. But you know,
how do you bid against people like AOC and Bernie

(59:51):
and Elizabeth Laurren who literally don't care if they destroy
the private industry, right, they can always say, you know,
go lower, longer, make it permanent, do it forever. And
they even said, if we destroy private consumer lending, it's okay.
We'll replace it with a government program for consumer lending.
We'll make every post office into a short term lending
center and it'll be wonderful. And you know, if you're
if you are, if you don't care, if you destroy

(01:00:13):
private industry, you're always going to go further with regulation.
And so there's sort of populous messaging. I think it's
a losing game, but I think the President is not
necessarily thinking past you know, let me try to get
get get people some release. And you know, I'm a
little bit sympathetic to that, but I think it's a
big mistake in this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Phil Kirpen joining us on our any our Newsmaker line,
I tell you what, Greg, what a colossal mistake that
would be to make the federal government a lending institution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yeah, no way, Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It's not gonna happen, all right, Bore. Coming up, it
is the Rotting Greg Show with you on this Tuesday
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
kN ter s Time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I don't know if he's still performing. When he did,
he would sit in a chair. Is he no longer performing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, he finished out a while ago. He's Yeah, his
health has declined and I think he had some back
surgeries or something of what it was. He has not
been able to hold drums. And if you think about
an artist like him, who was as good as he was,
to not be able to do something that was basically
it's the it's the engine for all his fame and
as a as a you know, as an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Didn't a lot of their music show up on Miami Vice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yes, I love it. He appeared, Yes, but it's starting
to decline him on the downward slide. It's you know,
it's I don't care what your favorite TV show was
when you were young. The last couple of seasons start
to that's where the whole saying jumped the Shark came from.
It's on Happy Days when the fawns jumped the shark

(01:01:37):
in the tank and they're like, that went too far.
It's not that they've completely lost you know, the theme
of Happy Days, and so that became jump the Shark
is when you've just gone too far. So every series
kind of does that at the end, they kind of filize.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
And you know what it is, they don't know how
to end it. I think, how do I mean you
couldn't kill Sunny Crockett.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
No, they just you know, they decided to had they
just take your own ways. But they could have done
a sequel. You know, we could have done twenty years
later where they at. You know, we could have had that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Have you seen Don Johnson?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yes, oh yeah, I can.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Well how about the other actor?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, tubbs. He looks he's got a big old beard
and he's great now. But I think it would be
a fun uh you know special They still do the
ABC specials at night Sunday Sunday Night specials movies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I don't think so well that is years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And stream it. Do a Miami vice. You know what
happened where since?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
All right, earlier today we told you that the American
people are just getting frustrated with Congress. I mean, guys,
just go do your job, figure out something, get you know,
get the Department of Homeland Security funded again so we
can get the TSA folks back. I just doesn't have
to be there anymore. Now we've heard that Delta is
telling Congressman, you know that special privilege you have when

(01:02:54):
you fly Delta, like you pass the security lines, just
go right in, get your seat in the airplane. No
longer on delta if you can't take care of the
regular American flyers, and guess what, we are not taking
care of you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
They want to go on recess.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I think, yeah, sixteen days. They are going to take
sixteen You have people that are that are not getting paid,
and that Senate instead of getting this done, they're going
to take sixteen days of vacation time while there's people
that are going without a paycheck. And I honestly this
is where if the Democrats weren't so insane, if they
could just be normal in any way, Republicans would be

(01:03:33):
in grave danger of losing majorities in both the House
and the Senate because you know, they can keep complaining
or saying that, you know, Trump's gonna hurt us or
help us in a midterm. How about do something, do
something that earns your own keep for being re elected
or elected as a Republican over a Democrat. They're not
doing it. I am telling you we have the majorities
and the fact that that Senate is going into sixteen

(01:03:55):
day recess with the mess that's going on right now,
it's I think it's inexcusable, I really do. I think
it's I think it's terrible, terrible, And and the people
that you know, I'm sure there's senators, Republican senators that
are upset that they're going into recess and would probably
easily and I think Mike Lee, Cenator Lee, would be
one of them that would want to stay and get
this done. But for those that are pushing for their

(01:04:18):
own time off, shame on them. Really, it's they have
no empathy, they have no appreciation for everyday Americans that
serve this country in some capacity and Department of Homeland
Security that they are just going to leave on basically
working employed without compensation. And I don't know how people
think bills get paid that way.

Speaker 15 (01:04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, Well Liz Peek, our good friend, wrote a great
column today and Fox News and here's the title. Voters
tell Congress, do your job, and then the DHS shutdown.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Do your job, do your job, do your job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
They she brings up Greg The White House has made
a lot of concessions already to the Democrats, but it's
not enough. For them, they want even more. And you know,
the American people should just call every Democrat and say,
do your dang job, get things done.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You know what I and I hate to do this.
I hate to splash this on the congressional staffers, but
I think that they would understand it a lot better
if not one member of Congress ever saw a check,
if they couldn't keep that. If you if you're power
of the purse, you're constitutionally pretend you know your your
separate equal power is the power of the purse, and
you can't keep government open, then you don't get a paycheck,

(01:05:26):
and your staff doesn't. Okay, And if they don't, if
we did that, you'd never see another day of government closure.
You'd see them pass a budget guaranteed. If it was
going to hit them, the members and their staff, they
would they wouldn't close it down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
You know what, never going to happen. It is going
to happen. And let me tell you what, Greg, I
don't think the America. I don't know what it is
about the American people, but you've seen stuff like this,
the shenanigans that have been going on or the past
several weeks on this funding and you don't hear a
huge public outcry. This what frustrates me. Come on the America.

(01:06:00):
Can people like Liz Peak says, do your job.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
It's sill We put you there one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
You've got one job. Fund the government and they can't
even do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
No, this is why when they say, you know, we
need war powers, act man, we would be we'd be
in this planet, would be an ash tray before they
could get the votes to do anything to defend this
country if you wanted Congress to, and they should actually
constitutionally do it. They're the ones that they're supposed to
declare war. They can't keep Department Homeland Security open while
we are in this conflict with Iran, when we let
spent four years letting known that we know for fact

(01:06:31):
known terrorists have been allowed across that border uninterrupted, and
we can't. They can't fund the Department of Homeland Security.
It's inexcusable. We've had two terrorist attacks that happened on
the same day while this closure has occurred. We've got
these nightmares, the nightmares going on into the airports right now,
and the Democrats are just okay, They're okay with it,
and I if I'm a Republican. I just sit there

(01:06:53):
and I keep working, and if they want to go home,
go hi. We're going to vote here. And I would
not leave the place. So you got something done.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
What if the Democrats all went home and the Republicans stayed,
they'd control the Senate. They'd have the votes, wouldn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, and I'd just say, you know, we don't have
to do a filibuster. If they're gone, they're not here
to even vote. No, So yeah, let's just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
That's what they should do. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, earn your keep, do your job, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Moore coming up here on Utah's Talk Radio one O
five to nine k n R s our so called
allies in this battle with Iran. Yes, I mean, you
know it started with what was it Spain? I think
may have been first one, maybe a different country who
said no, you can't, you can't launch your operations from

(01:07:40):
our country.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Was it Spain?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Then then England jumped in and said basically the same thing.
The president said, hey, where are the allies here?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I mean what since World War Two, we've had your back,
We've helped pay for your security because you didn't want
to contribute. But you don't show up in cancel.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And now that they know they got four thousand kilometer
long range bistic missiles changed. You know, a simple thank
you President Trump would be nice. Honestly, it's it shows
how inept they are that they have no defenses and
they were not going to cooperate on any kind of
action towards Iran. Come to find out they were the
most vulnerable to Iranian attack. Our closest ally, which used

(01:08:23):
to be the UK, Where are they now? I don't
I think that country is gone. I don't think I
think Europe has gone. Yeah, it's not the place that
history has has told us about, that has been recorded.
It's not the people that our soldiers fought shoulder to
shoulder with in two World Wars. That place is gone.
I don't know what that place is over there now.
But it's not. It's not the United Kingdom, it's not.

(01:08:46):
It's not Britain the way it used to be. It's
and you can throw the rest of the Europe's you know,
Western Europe in there too, They're just not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Well, let's talk about the fall of Britain. The warning?
Is there a warning there for America joining us on
our newsmaker line now is lou Aguilar. He is a novelist,
a screenwriter. He wrote about this. He could a culture
work correspondent. You know, Louke, thanks for joining us. You
write about the fall of Britain. The America has always
had kind of an on and off relationship with Britain.

(01:09:15):
How would you describe the relationship right now?

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Well, it's funny, it's mostly off, on and off, but
it's been mostly off for a while because I mean,
the poor, the poor British people. They've they've been through
so much and no matter who they elect, they get
pretty much screwed, you know, you conservative government people just
keep coming in. Just nobody stops anything. And it's interesting

(01:09:41):
because when I wrote the piece, I hadn't yet learned
about the the death of the great men Dayton, one
of the great spy writers of all times, you know,
like a lot, along with the care and Flemings and others.
But they they wrote about a time when just pretty
much the British school was pretty much keeping after World

(01:10:05):
War Two, was pretty much keeping Britain and Britain free
from you know, incredible communist in piltration. The sad part
is that they seem to have just gone over to
the enemy without firing a shot, you know. And and
it's it's yeah, it's it's really sad because as I

(01:10:26):
quoted an incredible piece by Jordan Peterson, who was so right.
I mean, they have no idea, the government, the leadership,
have no idea what they're doing to themselves and what
they're doing to us, you know, as as you know
fellow culturalists and and lovers of British literature and art

(01:10:50):
and music. And it's just it's very depressing and uh,
it's so avoidable, but all of Europe seems to be
surrendering and there at the head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Of the line. So Loui, you tell a very personal
story about your even your own experience, uh, becoming a citizen,
and it's a it's a beautiful story, uh. And it
shows that that you know, it's worth going through. And
it's and you've talked about how that bar has seemed
the lower, so you're pointing to what can be happening
in the United States. What I would love you to

(01:11:22):
share with our listeners is this crazy story about this
Indian restaurant in London. Uh, and I can't when I
read it, I couldn't believe that this is what was happening.
But share with our listeners how this The owner of
this restaurant had a type of meat that was he
felt was a humane way to to you know, get
to meet build the animal, bring the meat, and found

(01:11:43):
himself on the wrong side of the law.

Speaker 11 (01:11:46):
Well, the thing about it is how.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
How hostile the leadership it has become towards the people.
I mean towards you know, the people that survived and
and and thrived, and there's so much and and now
uh just for speech, for speech, you're being arrested. And
of course the the May year of the whole thing

(01:12:13):
happened with this restaurant run by the Sikh uh the
Sikh owner, and they were talking about uh hallai, which
is hallaal, which is a pretty some people like to
Some people don't like to describe it as as a
kind of cool. They say that you stab an animal.

(01:12:34):
This is the way the Muslim Orthodoxy prefer their meal
from from animals that have been stabbed once and bled
to death. They say, it's been it's it's painless. But
I nobody believed that. And and it's just it's just cool.
They're just they're just allowed to bleed and uh and.

Speaker 15 (01:12:55):
Pay it over.

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
And this restaurant, this seek owner said, uh no Halal
served here. Uh. And and just that, I mean, it's
it's he might well have said, uh you know, uh
no no, no, no Blacks, no Indians served here. And
uh that's how that's how it was taken by the Muslims.

(01:13:17):
And they just they just hounded this guy for years,
like five years. So his restaurant was was it was
already out of business when this happened. And uh and
they just they just harassed and and and gathered outside
and and threatened and yelled, and the police showed up
and they arrested him the owner for you know, for

(01:13:40):
for just hate speech, basically for just his his policy.
It's it's that that is a nation that is I'm
afraid so far gone that I don't see it coming back.
I just don't. Well, yeah, h there there's a guy
running for U for store Britain right now. Group of

(01:14:01):
low Uh that's that's the party which is getting a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
A lot of support.

Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
Isn't enough full no soon, But my god, and and
and as far as the United States is concerned, I mean,
first we could have been had take Kamala one. We'd
be rocketing to that that statement right now, you would
be lou is there any sign you mentioned this party

(01:14:28):
that is gaining him popularity?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
But how big of a lift is it going to
be to bring Britain back to where it used to be,
where we had this strong relationship and the people there
were morally good? I mean, how long is that? What
is it that going to take?

Speaker 10 (01:14:44):
Well, if you can, if you notice, I mean, the
the parallel is very obvious, which is Donald Trump's uh
promise to to you know, uh.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
Uh Austir, I'm sorry to to auster all the illegal immigrants.

Speaker 14 (01:15:02):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:15:03):
Look how he's Look how he's battling. You know, it's
just like every step of the way, it's the left.
The power for the left is gained by a greater
number of illegal or or immigrant immigration vote. So let's
say by some miracle, Low and and he and by

(01:15:25):
the way, he's the only chance, he's not if he
doesn't make it, forget, it's over. It's totally over.

Speaker 15 (01:15:31):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:15:32):
And you know he's got they've got Low, They've got
Elon Musk behind the scenes trying to do his part.

Speaker 12 (01:15:38):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:15:39):
But if they don't make it in. But even if
they do make it in, you know, you've got London,
You've got the Mayor Khan, who's you know, a radical Muslim.

Speaker 12 (01:15:49):
You have Prince Charles.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
Uh and you know you have the English Royalty, defenders
of the faith, the Christian faith. You have them baland
down too, you know, blessing mosques. It's I don't see it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:03):
It's quite a lift.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
As you ask Lou Agular joining us on our newsmaker line,
talking about the fall of Britain, and it's a wanting
to America and Greg, you and I agree. I just
think because of the mass immigration that took place in
Europe and in the UK, they're both lost. Europe is gone.
I think the UK is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I do too. It is hard for me to understand
how they wouldn't instinctively just on forget about trying to
help just for their own protection, they wouldn't immediately engage
and assist the United States in what they're doing. It
makes I mean, there's it threatens them more than it
does us.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
It does, it does all right more. Coming up final
segment with Roderin Greg here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Can Arress Heidi hatch Over at KUTV
is tweeting out tonight, Greg that Aaron Mendenhall, apparently who
cannot come up with their own interesting thoughts taking a
queue from I believe it's a community in Georgia where
she is going to shut off all the water to

(01:17:04):
the new ice detention facility on the west side of
the valley, claiming it's because of the drought.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Right, unbelievable. Well, you know, this is why Salt Lake
City can't have nice things, and this is why you
have urban renewal and urban decay happening within the same
city block. It is. It is a lack of leadership.
You have people that would love to invest and build
the city, protect it. You've got a great chief of
police that wants to protect it and is committed to

(01:17:33):
public safety. But then you have antics like this, and
that's it's unserious. It's an unserious move by a city
council that's really just wrapped around the axle of identity
politics and social justice and everything else, but really moving
the needle and doing the heavy lifting and doing what
leaders do, and that's sometimes making unpopular but important decisions.
They don't know how to do it well, she played

(01:17:54):
to the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, this city has no innovative thoughts. Now, this thing
about yanking the water from the detention facility. Commun in
Georgia did it two or three weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yep. They're just looking for ways. They're just pander till
to their base. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
They're they're very, very small base.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
And I'll tell you I was on the clock when
when it was it was impacting the state and our
state resources to try and have public safety in our
capital city. And you know, it was it was an issue.
I mean, everyone that's homeless doesn't wasn't born in Salt
Lake City. But when you have a city that doesn't
deal with lawlessness at all, it becomes a magnet for it.
And you're going to see with I with them trying

(01:18:31):
to keep Ice from having any kind of law enforcement
capacity here and you have, you know, some of these
things that they're doing. It just draws in the criminals,
which draws it in because there's no consequence. So yeah,
you know, it's not it's it's not hard. Pattern recognition
is a pretty reliable, you know, life skill if you
pick it up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I was surprised a little bit the last week, the
governor said he kind of supports this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah, I think he should.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I think he should. You know, he was a
little upset that he wasn't giving a heads up on this. Yeah,
you know, but the fact that he supports this. The
concern I have heard you'll work with the sheriffs is
that they're going to offer some pretty good money to
work there. Yeah, it is a trade deal. They may
be losing some support to various counties.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Well, I'll tell you this, and this happens in law
enforcement generally. But there's a lot of this where you're
where they're taking from each other's jurisdictions and that and
that is just that doesn't help anybody. You need to
see that tide lift and bring more employment into these fields,
not take from each other. Yeah, and there are some
models out there where they've built facilities where people have
they've brought in people from outside to relocate here for

(01:19:36):
a facility like ice, that should be the focus.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Thank you, Merriman and the Hall. Yep, let's just olden in.
Not give him any water. Quite not the stays. I
can give them any road money. How about that hat up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family, and
this great country have hours. We'll talk to you tomorrow

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