The Rod and Greg Show: Utah School Board Members Level Accusations of Corruption; Senator Mike Lee on Maduro

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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it and it usually defeats everything. It killed COVID for me.
But I've been guzzling the red Bull. I still have
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in your throat, yeah, frog of my froat. But no,
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Although there are no windows, folks in here, this I

(00:21):
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Can't escape If I cough, he's stuck. I'm going to
grass all the whole room. It's going to be awesome.
It's also like ninety two in here here? What is
the deal with that?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's this building has got the worst ventilation, air conditioning, heating,
you name it in the world.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Maybe it'll help with my weight loss journey.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah it could be.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, we're going there again to no no, but it's hot,
so I'm sweating. This will be in a son.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Peel off the pounds. Right.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, it's great to be with you this afternoon. We've
got a lot to get to Utah. Senator Mike Lee
will be joining us in just about fifteen minutes. We'll
get his take the latest information on Venezuela. You and
I greg judge where the economy is headed and where
prices are headed when we talk to our wives. Correct,
you talked to Queen Bee. I talked to the Rodeo Queen.
I asked her just the other day over the weekend,

(01:11):
I said, have you seen prices come down? And she goes, yeah,
no on a few i's but still they're they're higher,
and she doesn't expect them ever.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
To come down.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
So that's that is That's exactly the response I'm getting too,
which I'm disappointed in because I would think the transportation,
when you see fuel prices go down, there should be
a transportation cost savings from fuel going down. Which should
because if prices are high, then that's reflected in the groceries.
Why are we with fuel going down? Why are we
not at least seeing that margin of the cost of

(01:43):
goods and service or goods going down? So Queen Bee
has the same reactions as Rodeo Queen. She's like, eh, eh.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, and she's not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, the question is again, and we'll talk about this
a little bit later on. If people don't feel relief, Greg,
they don't believe the economy is in good shape. So
what is it gonna take to feel that relief?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, no, well I don't know. All the economists say
when you when your income grows faster than inflation, that's
when you feel it. Well, the numbers are saying that's
occurring now, we see the growth of personal income growing
at a higher percentage rate than inflation. But yeah, I
and I and I go with that. With that, until
you feel it, it's not real. I actually subscribe to that.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Don't tell me what I'm feeling. I can That's why
I have my senses, okay, have sight and smell and
feeling and hearing, I tasting. I know what I'm experiencing.
And if it's not saving, you can't tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
No, that's true. That's true, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Also coming up a little bit later on, we mentioned
this briefly in the show yesterday, this member of the
state school board who has decided not to seek.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Reelection yes wrote a blistering letter.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
She is going to join us in the six o'clock
hour tonight to talk about the reasoning behind her decision
to write this letter, and it was critical of just
about anything dealing with education in.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
This If you were on that STAF, if you're on
that state school board, I think there's some shots fired.
I mean metaphorically, folks, don't.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'm not talking.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I don't violence.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm saying violence.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm saying figuratively. There were some barbs thrown. There were
some some uh, some some accusations probably I mean of
either incompetence, malfeasons, or even corruption. I mean, it was
it's that letter is not.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's it's stopt shoot, that's for sure. So we'll talk
about that, plus all a lot of other things to get to.
We invite you to be a part of the program
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(03:45):
the iHeartRadio app. Now a lot going on in Minnesota.
Greg tim Walls finally held a news conference today about
his decision not to seek reelection. Remember Greg, years ago,
this was when Charleston Heston was the president of the NRA.
Remember that a few years ago, that famous line with
him holding up the old rifle and saying over my dead.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Body from Ror for my cold dead fingers, my.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Cold dead hands. Well, Tim Walls used it again today
because someone asked him, are you going to resign governor?
And guess what he said, over my dead body?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Don't say that in Minnesota. They're crazy there. They may
take you up on that. Yeah, you gotta be.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Careful, you gotta be careful. Well, you've got that, so
he's out. There is word that Amy Klobuchar, the Democratic
senator from Minnesota, will possibly run for governor. But guess what,
she has a very long history of coddling the Simonian
refugees in her state.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
May not work right, Just more of the same, more
of the same, because I did hear that they might
play the old switcheroo. He doesn't run for reelection, and
then he can go get her Senate seat and she
can run for his. I I I think the people
of Minnesota, I would hope, are looking around going, are
you are you kidding me? That's there's there's got to
be kids with autism, kids that are disabled, elderly people

(04:59):
that are terminally ill, people that Medicaid, Medicare, federal programs
for autism were meant to help that are not being
helped because of the fraud, the actually the theft that's
going on. There has to be people, there have to
be people in Minnesota that feel that outrage.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, another name came up, how about the attorney general
there in Minnesota. Keith Ellison is his name. He's been
involved in this too. Listen to what Dana Perino on
Fox News revealed the other day about a tape comment
from the attorney general.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think he's got a real problem because he might
have been the first shoe to fall, But there's more
coming because Keith Ellison, who is the Attorney general of Minnesota,
former congressman, who is a member of Democratic leadership.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
He is on audio, leaked audio talking to.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
These people tell him that he will cover up the
investigations so that they'll tell the investigators to back off.
So this resignation or decision not to run not a resignation,
but the decision not to run is not the end
of the story. The fraud story doesn't end there. To me,
is really just beginning. And thankfully there's a very good
prosecutor in the state that is relentless, so hopefully they'll

(06:06):
get it cleaned up.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So Keith Ellison maybe tied into all of this, I mean,
we're just at the tip of this. I think, well
more information.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Pothesis was if he got out of the limelight, that
this issue would go away because he was kind of
the lightning rod Well. I hope that what we just
heard is true because it deserves to stay front of mind.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
One other story on this, the story about the Hilton hotels,
the service that surface yesterday. Apparently there was a Hilton
hotel there in the Minnesota area which basically said we
will not rent rooms to ICE agents.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yes, I saw the email. I saw the DHS employees.
They were not allowed together.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
They were not allowed to stay there. Well, apparently Hilton,
the general corporate headquarters didn't kind of like that message,
so they notified the franchise owner today, you're no longer
a franchise owner with Hilton.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
You're done, baby, And I think the Drum administration is
now taking it off the list of places any federal
employee and stay and get their per DM or get
rebated back for So. Yeah, well, I I found that
the email that I read that they actually put in print.
They wrote it to the to these uh dhs, you know,

(07:15):
law enforcement officers. It was pretty offensive and and so
I didn't think it was a good look for Hilton.
I thought it was a bad look.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, Hilton's trying to recover from it today if they
possibly can. All right, when we come back, Utah Senator
Mike Lee will be joining us here on the Rod
and Greg Show on this Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I watched Paul Harvey. So now I'm gonna pause before
I speak another word. Okay, okay, that's my new me.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, the manual said that's how you become a good
you know good at this job.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You got to pause.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You are one pathetic loser.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
It clearly didn't have E Ray as their producer. Whoever
generates this that's true information.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Shall we talk to you jus under Mike Lee. I
think he's always good to chat with.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
He has a cornucopia of knowledge to share. I am sure.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh where'd you learn that big word? All right, Sendra
Lee is joining us on our Newsmaker line center.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Thanks for joining us this afternoon. You on Saturday morning,
you were one of the first to start raising questions
about the president's decision to go after Nicholas Maduro, and
as you should now that you've had a chance to
look at things, was what the president did when it
comes to Venezuela in your opinion, legally okay, yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Look, Operation Absolute Resolve was one of the most successful
executions about high profile international arrests in US history, and
a mission that only US Joint Forces could have executed
so precisely and decisively, you know, a meantimes, not a
single US operator was killed, no US equipment was lost.

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US Joint Forces waited for the right moment for the operation,
acuted the arrest warrant, and did so flawlessly. Maduro, for
his part, knew that the arrest was coming. It was
simply a matter of time. He had a lot of
opportunities to respond to US pressure before being arrested, and
he could have surrendered and the days immediately before this happened.

(09:16):
But yeah, I raised questions right as the news was breaking,
as I always do anytime there's any kind of military
kinetic activity somewhere.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
I want to know what the theory was.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
They hadn't previously announced it, understandably, but I very quickly
got a call from Secretary of Rubia at three am
informing me of what happened. Here's what he told me.
In essence, he said, look, we're he said, Mike, you know,
he and I have been friends for fifteen sixteen years.
We talk all the time about this stuff. And he said, Mike,

(09:48):
I know, you know, you're always concerned about making sure
that we are doing this private book. As far as
the consolution goes, let me tell you what this was about.
He said, the kinetic activity.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
On the ground.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
There was therefore one reason, and one reason alone, to
protect the US personnel executing the arrest warrant. So they
had authority to issue this arrest warrant, to execute the
arrest warrant. And the President has inherent authority under Article
two to protect the United States and it's personnel from

(10:22):
an imminent or actual attack, and that's what they did.
He followed that up by saying, there is they're out now,
there's no plan for ongoing military activity there, and so
we consider this matter closed. So look, regardless of what
one might think about the policy merits of this, this
appears to me to be within the president's inherent authority

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under Article two.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know, and I'm glad to you. You say that, Centator,
I mean you're the scholar when it comes to our constitution,
and I know, and I'm glad. I'm grateful that you
are watching that because there needs to be consistency and
we can't we can't justify by relating it because we
think others have And so that kind of discussion between
you and our Secretary of State as former colleagues, it

(11:08):
brings me a lot of comfort. I just want to
dive into the one part detail that you shared where
they're out now, where there is the president is signaling
that there's going to be some presence in terms of
a fair process where citizens aren't feeling at their risk.
Maybe the proxy war that's been going on with our
adversaries around the world using that country so close to

(11:28):
the United States and our hemisphere. What is the role
of the United States as you see it, or have
been told or you can tell us in terms of
a more prolonged presence in Venezuela.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
The short answer is, I don't know. I hope to
find out in the next twenty four hours or so,
but it's unclear what if anything, might be.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Entailed in.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
This transition. We don't know that right now, it's not
clear whether if there's anything happening on the ground or
whether he anticipates further action by the United States on
the ground. He's talked about a transition, but we don't
know what that means.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Cender Lee, what about You've heard, of course, a lot
of criticism about this coming from the Democrats, and the
one thing, the common theme that you hear quite often
from them is Congress should have been notified on this.
I thought Marco Rubio answered that very well. It was saying, Hey,
we've got concerns about leaks in Congress about this. Should
Congress have been notified?

Speaker 7 (12:33):
In your opinion, well, look, when if we analogize this
to what we refer to as a Title fiftieth deployment,
it claned us on military operations. There are myriad circumstances
in which a discrete military operation has to be kept
close so as not to signal to whoever is at

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the receiving end of the action, ways that they can
prepare in a way that would jeopardize the lives of
our US personnel on the ground. And I think that
was the calculation there again here where we're talking about
this being an action to support the FBI and the

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FBI's execution of a validly issued warrant for Maduro's arrest.
That falls outside of the type of action that would
require an authorization for the use of military force or
a declaration of war. Now, as far as notifying Congress,
I don't see. Look, a declaration of war or an

(13:44):
AUMF is either required or not required by the Constitution.
But this idea about notifying Congress, there's nothing in the
Constitution that requires that. There are some statutory authorities indicating
there are circumstances when some members of Congress ought to
be informed, but Congress as a whole or a subset
of Congress, nowhere in the Constitution is that required.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
You know, Senator, I subscribe to the real politic. I
one of the other things that I think that is
so valuable your voice nationally, but particularly here in Utah,
is that you do point out in the budget bills
the spending, the reckless spending. Even when we hear Republicans
talking about how we have to you know, rain this
in and it yet you'll you'll read the bactual appropriations

(14:28):
bills and disappointingly, we'll see unnecessary spending reckless spending, spending
we can't afford. Is there any argument, at least in
my mind, there is before you get into the wars acting,
before we take something where you have a hyperpartisan or
even self interested body in Congress that's not doing some
of its most basic constitutional powers or exercising them in

(14:48):
a responsible way. How do we swallow that camel and
then strain it the thats of what Congress isn't doing
in other places that are as serious or as scary
as our defense. I mean, I I just want to
see some proof of life out there in the Senate
and in the House that you guys are doing some
of this before everyone starts wanting to get in the
way of this administration or Department of War? Am I

(15:10):
being too cynical? Or is there some maybe some basic
things that Congress could be doing better right now and
not politicizing in terms of our safety in this hemisphere?

Speaker 7 (15:20):
Yeah, we should maybe work on removing the beam from
our own eye before focusing on the moat in the
executive branch's eye. But we're straining at nastuall swallowing camels
by the dozen. And meanwhile you've got things like this,
this wave of fraud that's been uncovered in Minnesota. Now,

(15:43):
this is awful, it's reprehensible. I also believe that it
is the tip of the tip of a much much
larger iceberg. And I think fraud like this is occurring
in many, many states, if not virtually all of them.
Look Fraud almost inevitably occurs on a massive scale when
the un US government spends way too much money, especially
if it's on things that don't fit neatly into its

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limited enumerated powers, and then gives one hundreds of billions
of dollars to third parties, including states and other cases NGO's,
and then says in US it's spent it, well have fun.
The same people who are funding that then purport to
be surprised, Oh, what, there was fraud?

Speaker 4 (16:25):
How can it be?

Speaker 7 (16:26):
Well, this is what happens in a government that spends
too much.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
It sure does.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
You to under Mike Ley joining us on the Rod
and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine
canters based on what our wives see at the grocery store, right,
and they both say, you've asked her, You've asked Queen Bee,
I asked the rodeo queen. They've seen some prices come down,
but they're still up, and they're basically feeling some prices
may never come down again.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's like a men, yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, so yeah, no, no,
no great moment in the Hughes home prices, which with
with fuel going down, you would think you would.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
That not doing it, Yeah, not doing it well. If
voters don't feel it, the economy isn't fixed. That's why
we wanted to bring our next guest on, Gary sas
each state chairman of our Republican legacy joining us on
our newsmaker line. Gary, how are you welcome to the
Rodding Gregg Show.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
What is going to take to convince people that prices
are in fact coming down in some areas and they
feel it.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah, in some areas they're coming down. But the concerns
about the Americans have about their economic world being this
is probably the highest level since the Great Depression. And
there was a polled on recently. We're forty six percent,
almost half the country felt that they things were worse
than they can remember. And what the people are feeling

(17:45):
is the economy is not meeting the public's needs. And
I think the twenty twenty six election needs to focus
on affordability because there are ways that we can get
out of this, and the federal government has not been
following those ways. When we talk about the economy and affordability,
it's really three parts of the equation. What things cost

(18:08):
your income, and the inception of financial security in the future,
particularly for your children. And what we've been faced with
are progressive views of affordability which emphasize government mandates and regulations,
tax subsidies, deficit spending, and that won't put a penny
back in the pocket of hard working American middle class

(18:30):
or small business. So if we're really going to get
out of this mess during the twenty six campaign, we
really have to talk about an affordability agenda that's market driven,
that it centivizes investment, it centivizes supply expansion, innovation and productivity,
and our government has not focused on those things. The

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four years of the Biden administration went in the opposite direction,
and that's part of the reason we have a deeper
hole to dig out of. So, in my opinion, the
affordability agenda is really restoring the market driven approach to
economic benefit and that involves a couple of things that

(19:13):
are pretty obvious one that I just mentioned is reversing
failed federal policies on taxes and spending. The second indians
to incentivize private sector housing construction. If you're thirty something
right now, you probably can't afford to buy a house
no matter where you live in this country. And that's
just that's not been the case before. And that's really

(19:36):
a good definition of affordability. If a family with one
child and two parents working can't afford a house, that
really says something. And so we have to incentivize private
sector development because more public housing is not the answer
we need. This will come close to you people out west.
We need to modernize domestic energy production, presidents right, We

(19:58):
now need drill drilled thrill. We need to lower cost
by having a good supply of energy. And then the
third thing we have to do, and this is going
to take some political courage, as we need to roll
back regulations that increase consumer and business costs. You no,
government's not in the business of making things more extensive.
Government should be in the business of making things more efficient.

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The fourth thing is encouraged competition, particularly in the healthcare market.
You know, the idea of a bombacare that you're providing
subsidies on subsidies to insurance companies. Who's making whatever deal
they make with the federal government is its should be
pretty obvious. And the fifth thing is we need to

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devolve social and education programs back to the states. Then
we need to tell them so we can find friendly
tax payer solutions to local problems. So if you have
an affordability agenda, it's based on those five principles, I
think we can make more progress and digging away as
a whole. What concerns me is the lack of political

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will to do those things. That's concerns not knowing what
to do. We know what to do and we know
what works. The concern is the political will to get
it done and stop the panding in Washington.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
So the question I have. We have a regular guest,
Steven More that comes on our program and he's very
bullish on the American economy and he's pointing to personal
income or median family income going up over twelve hundred
dollars this year, and he says, the big thing you
have to track is is income rising faster than inflation?
And if you have a median income is going up

(21:35):
higher than the rate of inflation. That's when you should
start to feel that things are getting more affordable. As
Rod mentioned, we're not in the huge home. We're not
feeling that per se right now, but the data coming
in suggests that we should be feeling that soon. Are
you tracking that is? Do you see median income rising
right now at a pace faster than inflation?

Speaker 8 (21:56):
And I know Steve and wo have debate him from
time to time. I think affordability is a more complex
issue than that. As I mentioned earlier, affordability with it
deals with three things. It deals with course and some
courts to continuing to increase, and some course are going
down but more increasing. It deals with income, which offsets

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some of that cost. But if there's still three percent
inflation income, you need income growing at a multiple of
inflation to feel the difference. So I'm not sure that's
there yet. I think we're heading in that direction. And
the other thing, which people don't take into consideration the
economy also deals with perception. If I feel good about

(22:40):
my job, if I feel good that I have financial security,
if I feel that there's a reasonable chance that my
children are going to do better economically than I did,
then the psychology is good. So it's a combination. I'm
very cautious of looking at any one or two indicators.
I think it's a combination of as I mentioned of
course and income, and then the perception is feeling of

(23:02):
having jury and having a future.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, perception plays a big role in it. Gary, always
great to having me on the show. Thanks for a
few minutes of your time today. All right, Gary Saz
joining us on the Newsmaker line talking about you know,
I think, Greg, if you feel good about the economy,
the economy is going to be good. I think perception
plays a large role in it.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think perception is based on the reality of how
how you're making hands meet. At the end of the day,
it's a it's a kitchen table issue, not a luxury issue,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I want to take you back, Greg. I think it
was the day after the elections in November. Remember you
had results coming in in New Jersey and Virginia. The
state run media, not the state run media, the legacy
media was out there saying, you know, bad news for
Donald Trump. Blah blah blah. Remember that time, I'll saytter
of fact political had this story Donald Trump enters his

(23:53):
lame duck era. Remember that story. I think it was
a lame duck Yeah, going, well, very well. I mean,
think about this. In two weeks, the president will wrap
up his first second first year in office. Right, yes,
look what this guy is accomplished, and yet they're calling
it a lame duck period.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, you know, have you've seen it? We really, we
love we love Harry Inton. He has a new pull
out that just boils the brains of the CNN viewers,
and that is that MAGA is not divided as much
as the regime media likes to celebrate, and they're more
united now than they were before.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, matter of fact, let's listen to what Harry had
to say about that today.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
There is no rift in the Republican Party. Yes, there
are some folks like Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey
are quite skeptical of this. They are very much in
the minority. What are we talking about here, Well, why
don't we just talk to GOP. On the US military,
Austin Maduro ipsos sixty five percent support, six percent of pose.

(24:55):
How about the Washington post war seventy four percent support
just ten percent a post If you look Among twenty
twenty four Trump supporters, we're talking about eighty percent support.
The vast, vast majority of Republicans are with Donald Trump
on this issue.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
So does that mean he's not a lame duck?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I would say he is not a lame duck. I'd
say he is as strong of a president as we've had,
maybe since Reagan, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And it's got to be driving Greg the never Trumper's
absolutely crazy. I mean, these people go to bed and
think every day that Donald Trump wakes up as a
bad day, right, It's got to be driving them nuts.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I have a friend who is has probably one
of the most serious cases of Trump derangement syndrome that
I that I've ever personally witnessed. Okay, and he just
can't let it go. And I thought, and I saw
him today and I thought, you know, and I'm not
going to say anything, but I'm just thinking to myself,
you know, he's got to. It'd be a miserable year
for him if he's not dropping it like it's he

(25:55):
leads with it. Oh, you're we're an intervention. What happened
to for an intervention? I mean's the first words I
haven't seen for a year, first words out of his mouth.
What happened to not occupying other countries? What about foreign interventions?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And warsh?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, he can't you let it go?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Well, we had someone in this building walk around yesterday
calling Trump a war criminal.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh really, really, this is not a safe space. I
need accommodation.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Come in this room, all right, boy, coming up now?
Still to come on the show tonight. We talked yesterday
about a member of the state Board of Education who
wrote a scathing letter or an announcement she was not
going to seek reelection, and in doing so, she basically said,
you know, she ripped into the state Board of Education

(26:38):
and education in general here in the state of Utah.
We'll talk to her a little bit later on. We'll
also talk about history and how it will judge gender
affirming wolkesters out there. So we've got a lot to
get to today. I'm rod Urkett, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, Hi, you left, never came back.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I got a squirrel someone I got talking out there,
and they just had put me in a whole different place.
I wouldn't even know there was a show going on
in here. I was having a great conversation here.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I do have a co host building.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Welcome folks, Hi happy to be here. Welcome to a
Greg show. How long has this been going on? How
long have I been gone?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
About ten minutes?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
No, No, it's not for ten minutes. But you know
I can get you.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Know, you gets and you get easily distracted.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know why, because I respect the person i'm talking to.
Give I'm your sideball to eye, I'm not. I don't
look at my phone. I'm talking. I respect people.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
You'll look at your phone all the time when we're
doing the show.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's because I'm scanning for news. That's because I'm looking
for breaking news.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
All right.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I saw this a pretty good article the other day.
I thought Greg in the Washington example, and here's the headline. Okay,
some cultures are simply not compatible with American values.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I agree, I do agree. I mean, I think
cannibalism would go really bad here. Okay. I lived in Papaa,
Guinea for a while, and they weren't doing the cannibalism thing,
but they had only just stopped. And I just think
that'd just go over really bad here. I cannibal Yeah,
I think I think it's Yeah, I think I have
a chilling effect.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
People wouldn't accept that the Examiner. This was an editorialism,
matter of fact in the Examiner, And they basically bring
up that look and they're referencing, of course, Somalia, okay,
and what is going And they point out a couple
of things. First of all, the whole Simonian thing started
in about the mid nineteen nineties.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wownd you remember that in nineteen nineties with a population
tripling by twenty ten, surpassing seventy five thousand already in
the state of Minnesota. And they point out that the
population did not scatter around the country. I mean, we
have a few. We have a Somali.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Population here, yes, after it is big.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
But you know they're they're somewhere near our studios here
because we see them walking the streets all the time.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, they are. There's there is there's a there's a
there is a there is a refugee population here in
the state of.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, but they tend to locate in groups, you know.
They they don't spread out, and they look for states
that have very generous benefits.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah. Well I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise
me given what the news.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is Minnesota one of the most generous states. Yes, black
states when it comes to welfare. So what do they
do now? I saw comment the other day from a
man who sat down and talked with someone from Somalia,
and he said, you have to understand, in Somalia, it's
not really a country. It's a country of clans.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, yes, you probably have heard that before, right.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Well, that was the problem in Mogadishue with the different
the warring factions that were fighting for power there. That
was why it was That's why there was so much
war and unrest there.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's clan warfare and in some cases, okay, in these clans,
if you take advantage of the state, you should, ya,
you should. If you steal, that's okay, And if you lie,
that's okay. So does a culture like that greg fit

(30:18):
into the United States of America?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
The hardest part I have with that is that the
only reason lying works is because you live among amongst
truthful people who assume you're telling the truth. Same with stealing.
Stealing only works. I mean, you'd see nothing on a
shelf to be able to be stolen if everybody stole.
The only way that lying and stealing works is that
you have to work against the morals or the or
the practices of everybody else. So how does it How

(30:42):
do people come from a country where taking things that
don't belong to you is cultural? You know?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Or but see, we don't. I don't know if we
understand that. But my guess is that maybe in Somolia
it is okay.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well I'm against that. Well, I think we all are
opposed to that.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But my question is, if that's the case, Greg, why
do we allow people like that into the country.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, you know, and you can go, you can just
look if you just look at the legal process to
come to this country, and how arduous it already is.
I think a lot of the people are coming in
where these rules are not being followed, they're not being enforced.
There's rules where you're supposed to have someone the co
sign for you, where they're in charge of your healthcare,
of any benefit, anything you would need. You're not entitled

(31:24):
to public's assistance. But yet we have people that are
coming in and drows and immediately immediately are receiving public assistance, which,
as I've understood it, with those that have had to
go through the process of bringing someone from another country
and having immigrate here, there is a lot of financial
obligation or liability that comes to the person sponsoring to
prevent that from happening. And we say that and that's

(31:45):
supposedly the law. And then you see the cases happening
in Minnesota and probably every other state now that we
know about it.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, Well, the United States, over the years, Greg, for
too long, unfortunately, we've admitted very large numbers of migrants,
say the Somalis, and there are other groups as well
that we can think of from failed states. Okay, Yes,
Samalia is defined by clan loyalty, and if you aren't
loyally loyal to the clan, you probably may not be alive. Yep, true, Yes,

(32:16):
all right, So my question is, Greg, don't we as
a nation, okay, have a right and really an obligation
to choose migrants whose cultures are compatible with our values?
And I don't know how you determine that.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Let me share a break. This is why I look
at my phone when we're talking, because I'm looking at
breaking news from Congressmanship Roy. He's saying breaking. They used
the word breaking, that one million dollars ilan Omar and
the earmark bill that has yet to pass, This budget
bill that hasn't even passed yet. She's got a million
dollars tucked into that bill in real time, Okay, while

(32:52):
all the eyes are watching in Minnesota and the Somali community,
she's got a million dollars tucked away in there for
just this empowerment initiative. That's what's called. And it is
specifically for the Somali led Generation, Hope and Justice Empowerment Initiative.
It is sponsored by Ilan Omar and then Amy Klobuchar

(33:15):
from the Senate who wants governor. Yeah, and so both
of those you want to talk about clan in the
in the heat of everything that's going on, she's still
in for a mill right now. She's not even shy
enough or scared enough to hide this. She is put
that in the budget for everyone's scrutiny right now that
there's something too.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
That well, and my guess is greg her mindset, she
doesn't see anything wrong with this.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Clearly, clearly she has no problem with this. She doesn't
how about the Somali Canada that's running in Utah for
that that liberal plus twenty four percent Kamala Harris District
he's a Somali and you know what his campaign is,
universal daycare. I am not kidding. I'm not kidding. I
just saw the ad. It's a commercial. He calls for
universal daycare. He's going to read the room. I might

(34:01):
go to your your culture point that it goes right
over the head. They don't even know what the irony
here is.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
They don't see it. That's why I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's why I'm saying, are there certain cultures? Are there
certain societies that are not compatible with the value that
we have in America today?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well, if you're if you're, if you're, if you're looking
at pattern recognition, I'd say yes. I'm just I'm just
gonna go ahead and say, yes, we might have some
of that, I'd agree or not. The melting pots not melting,
and I don't want to stew. I don't I don't
like stew. You don't like I like those little cheese
pondues of melting. I like the melting pod.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
You know, there may be some people out there that
have thoughts on this. Eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound two
fifteen and say hey, Rod or leave us a compound
a comment on our talkback line by downloading the iHeartRadio app.
The question before you is are there cultures that are
simply not compatible with American values?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And should we let them in the country.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
It is, Yeah, it's it's a good question. And if
you come from families of immigrants, you know that great
gran parents and your grandparents will tell you their stories.
There was a strong desire to integrate in learn English
because I wanted to be. They didn't want to have
the worst jobs of a community. They wanted their kids
to go to school and achieve the great the great
jobs and success that you can achieve in America. You

(35:16):
don't do that by by not learning the language of
the country you're living in and staying away from the
people that live in it.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, that's not that's not the American dream. That's the
difference between yesterday and today. And that's why I think
you have to raid those legitimate questions.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, all right, we'll get to your phone. Calls eight
eight eight five seven O eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey Rod
or check us out. Leave us a message on our
talkback line by downloading the iHeart Radio App.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
You've eard say it before, but I just someone didn't
had no idea. Today. I ran to someone today. They said,
I love the show, but I can't always hear it.
I said, are you listening to the radio or are
you streaming it? Well, they're listening to the radio. You
stream it and you can be.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
A worldwide anywhere.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
So that iHeartRadio app is free and if you download
it you can listen to the canter Ess and then
you can even listen to the Roden greg Show podcast.
E Ray does puts together after the show's over.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So you know, I wonder if even the guys circling
the Earth in the space station whatever they call it now,
if they can hear us.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
If they can, I'm sure they put in the request
or should they want to. We're in high demand.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
We should tell them that. All right, we've got our
lines open to you.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Today.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
We had an interesting discussion before the break about some
cultures are simply not compatible with American values, and we
bring up what's going on in Minnesota and Somalia. They
gathered together in Somalia because here or in Minnesota because
this is the state with fairly really lacked benefit requirements,
and look what has happened there. Now thing's proven yet,

(36:39):
but if it's true, I mean they've ripped off the
American textpayer, and I don't think they feel any wrongdoing.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
In doing so.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I saw a map that was someone did the correlation
between the most generous states on social benefits for undocumented
resonance or even refugees and showing ID at the voting booths,
and there is a correlation. The states that don't require
a hard ID have the highest, most pleasant and most
you know, great generous benefit public benefits.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
All right, let's go to the phone. Let's begin in
Saratoga Springs tonight with Jeremy. Jeremy, how are you welcome
to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Hi?

Speaker 6 (37:19):
I just I have a counterpoint because I disagree with
the idea that there are some cultures that don't We
can look back a lot of people in Utah. Obviously,
our heritage comes from the Mormon pioneers. Mormons in the
eighteen hundreds were categorically like not American. There's the extermination Order.

(37:45):
There are countless political cartoons that are saying, like one
way to solve the Mormon problem, and it shows dan
Ight hanging. It shows them, It shows Uncle Sam kicking
a Brigham Young like figure into the seat. But eventually
right that culture was able to flourish and integrate into
the American culture. Why would we now look at this

(38:08):
and say there are cultures that just can't fit when
not one hundred and fifty years ago members of that
church were called not American.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
You know, Jeremy, that's a really, really good point. But
let me ask you this because I'm thinking, I'm thinking
as you're sharing this. First off, I'm glad bringing young
headed over to Utah because I didn't want to say it.
I wouldn't want to be in Missouri, I call it.
But all kidding aside, Yeah, but all kidding aside, wasn't
part of the Utah became a state when they no
longer had polygamy? And isn't that maybe a culture coming

(38:41):
closer to the American culture where they were able to
gain statehood when we didn't have polygamy any longer. Was
that the LDS or the Mormon culture moving towards what
was more the standard of the United States.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Yeah, I would absolutely agree that that's moving closer. And
that's where I would say when we say there are
a culture that are not I think it's it's what's
the word I'm looking for. I would argue that it
is shortsighted to say there are certain cultures that can't
fit in America. You are right, there are probably elements.

(39:17):
I know you had brought up the cannibalism objectively right,
is wrong. That is bad. We don't want that. But
it's shortsighted to say, well, because someone has this element
of the culture, they can never be American basa.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
You're saying a fighting chance that Jeremy anything.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Give everyone a fighting chance. All right, let's go to
Mike and Syracuse. Let him weigh in on this. Hi, Mike,
how are you welcome to the Roden greg Show.

Speaker 10 (39:45):
Thanks for taking my call. And I think the point
that I'd like to drive home goes along with what
the last gentleman was speaking on. I think the biggest
thing here is a point of assimilation. Over for the years,
as all immigrants, being Americans, we've all had to give

(40:07):
up parts of our culture or grow or expand. If
we're unable to assimilate to modern day life and what
it means to be an American, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And I agree, and I do think that. I think Mike,
you're right that there are countries or populations that come
here that don't even really have that interest, which is actually,
if we're honest, it's self limiting. It's it's a glass
ceiling an inch above their heads if they just want
to live here instead of where they lived before, but
they have no interest in earning our language or being American. Yeah,

(40:41):
because I actually I fundamentally believe in think my life,
the station of life I lived in. We don't live
in a cast system is different than what my circumstances.
They are different than what I was born in. And
I think that's a country that gives you equal opportunity,
not equal outcomes. And so you're limiting your opportunities if
you're not ready to embrace the country that's providing it.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
All Right, we've got a lot of calls coming in
and some of your comments coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Kay n rs.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
If you're a property owner in New York City, you
own property, basically you're a racist.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yes, she says, home ownership is white supremacy gone a mock,
you know, just terrible. And I had to clip yesterday
say because I learned that new the new term up
talk up talk when you talk like this and you
say that it's time for them to lose their their property. Okay,
there is like when the liberal woman starts the uptalk
it is you know you're in trouble. Okay, now now

(41:35):
there's new information on this one. So so bottom line
with this, uh, with this new advisor for the new mayor,
she is the housings are whatever you want to call hers,
the Office of Tenant Protection. Uh. And where she's saying
that we are going to change the nature of ownership.
It's going to be a collective. We're not going to
have or we do not want ownership. Turns out, uh,

(41:57):
she and you know she's not old. She has a
parent who's at least a parent that's a professor at Vanderbilt.
They have a one point six million dollar home outside
of in Tennessee, close to the Vanderbilt University campus. A
one point six million dollar home. You can say that's
a bit I don't know, either racist or nice. You know,

(42:19):
she makes them enough money they can afford it, but
how do you live in that home? And she has
to she's not. I mean, she at least goes home
for Christmas, right, I think who knows she Christmas? Well,
maybe New Year? Who knows, well, maybe some holiday. I
don't know which one, but but there is. I don't
know how the words can come out of her mouth

(42:40):
about every moral failing that is attached to home ownership,
when when she has lived in and her parents own
a one point six million dollar home in Tennessee, how
many people are living in one point six million dollar homes.
I just not think it's I don't think it's anyone
that she's talking about. And I think it just goes
to show it's rules for thee but not for me. Well,

(43:02):
anything these socialists want, it's not really for them. They're
not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Couple that with the new mayor of Seattle, Yes, who's
a communist living off mom and dad until she was
elected mayor.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, Monday is not far from that. He's never had
a real job. He was his parent. One was a
movie producer. The others is rich doing something else, and
they rip on the rich. These rich people rip on
the rich. It is just bizarre to me, absolutely bizarre.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
All right, we're taking your calls tonight on cultures are
not simply compatible with American values. And we've had a
lot of people say sooner or later they will assimilate, Right, Well,
why would you want to assimilate, Greg, If you're getting
benefits for free? Is there a need to assimilate?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I don't answer, that would be no. We had to
call it. We had a listener who called in and said,
here's here's their idea. Cut off all all welfare immediately,
and then tell me how it rolls out. See if
they really want to be American after that, See if
that's and if they don't, you know, then you know.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, let's hear from our talkback listeners.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Hey, Rod and Greg.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
So I wanted to chime in about President Maduro and
all of that. What I find funny is that all
these Democrats who protested the No King's protesting they don't
want a dictator, but now they're saying that they want
to release and President Maduro, who is a dictator. Huh.

(44:29):
That pretty much sums up the Democratic Party right now.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Huh. I like that. Here's another comment.

Speaker 12 (44:35):
Your first two callers have the point that people who
come here immigrants have to assimilate. I would point out
that the Mormon Pioneer and sisters were forced to assimilate,
and now we have these Somalians who obviously need to

(44:58):
be forced to assimilate, and given them endless money is
not forcing them to assimilate.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, how do you how do you force someone to assimilate?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I mean, how do you do it?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Threatened statehood? You can't be a state until you get
rid of play Now I think that I think the
way it is is the way that our listener suggested.
You take all the benefits away. Wait, you take them
all away, and now what are you going to do
to put a roof over your head? Food and your
stomach close on your back? You better get to work.
And if you want to go to work, I don't

(45:29):
think staying insular and talking to no one is the
key to success.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, coming up on the Rod and Greg Show, We've
got new information. Good old Nick Shirley has done it again.
There is a new revelation out about the fraud and
abuse taking place in the state of Minnesota, and we'll
let you hear what that is all about. Coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine, can ter us. As we're talking
about cultures are simply not compatible with American values and

(45:54):
what should we do about them. Here's a comment from
one of our talk back listeners.

Speaker 13 (46:00):
That it's Islam that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Nowhere on the planet.

Speaker 13 (46:05):
Will they assimilate everywhere they're at on the Planet's a war.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
They are not.

Speaker 13 (46:12):
Compatible with Western society. There is no other explanation. Everybody's
trying to figure out these little subcultures when the religion
itself refuses to allow a simulation unless it's you to them.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You know, I heard it comment or an interview it
was online where this woman who was asking this group
of Muslim men about you know, assimilation and everything, and he,
basically the men who did most of the talking, said, look,
if your laws based on Sharia law, will will follow it.
If it's based on men made laws.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
We don't follow.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Okay, that's that's what he would say. You know, if
your laws are based on Sharia law, we'll obey them.
But if they're based on man made laws, forget it.
We don't think we have any obligation to follow those
laws whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think I think that our caller
on that talk back line I think that is the
biggest barrier right there. Yet you see it a little bit,
especially if you can get public benefits that you don't
have to work, so the need or the pressure to
understand the language can go away a bit. But I
think that's that culture is the hardest too.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Similarly, all right, here's the latest from Nick Surally. Era
just sent us this over. Nick Surally has exposed that
there are you ready for this, greg twelve hundred medical
transport companies in Minnesota for a year photos with timestamps.
We're taking of the vans that were supposed to be
used by these companies. None moved in a year, None

(47:40):
moved in a year of twelve hundred vans, none moved.
They sat part but are getting paid to transport patients,
but they are not transporting any patients.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
They're sitting there.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
It's unbelievable on unbelievable. And and so you know, folks,
even you know, if you look at an ambulance company,
anybody that might you know, try transport someone, whether it's
from a nursing home somewhere else or an emergency situation
and there's Medicaid involved, it is so highly scrutinized and
audited under normal circumstances. It is there's a lot of
bureaucracy attached. Yes, yeah, we saw this and we wanted it.

(48:15):
We want there to be accountability. To think that there
are there are trucks that have never moved a day
and they're getting paid on a regular basis. It is
an It is an offense to all these processes that
have actually been created. They're not following the law. There's
nothing about that that was missed and that's not a
gray area in federal law. That is just stealing from
the public treasury. There's nothing about so that they're either

(48:38):
allowed to get away with it or they are just
going to great lengths to deceive those that are sending
in the payments because there's that that situation cannot stand
that way.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I just don't understand where the outrage is not right
now in this country. Where is the outrage, Greg, Where
is it?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah? I mean, and here's the thing. It it actually
impacts kids that are disabled, It impacts the elderly, It
impacts people that are in need. We have a social
safety net for a reason. I don't discount that having
that as a civilized society. The abuse that is going on.
It is just offensive and it does have the effect
of keeping that away from or preventing those who are

(49:17):
in true need from being able to receive it. How
do the bleeding heart liberals live with themselves?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Don't know?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
All right, when we come back, get your children out
of education, public education, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
This was an open letter I think it was posted
on Facebook by a Utah State school Board post it
on X post on X A from a Uta State
school Board member informing her constituents that she doesn't plan
to run again. But it doesn't end there, and it's
not usually what you hear, you know, time commitments, family priorities.

(49:57):
This is a scathing indictment of the school board. It's
a scathing the indictment of the legislature, and it's a
skating indictment of K through twelve public education as a whole.
And it is there are no punches pulled in this letter.
It's it's as tough as it gets. So having read that,
I thought it'd be pretty important to UH to maybe
ask some questions. You get to know this this UH,

(50:19):
this school board member that's not going to run again,
and and kind of get the deats get the.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Details, you know, details on it. Well, her name is
Christina Bulgess. I hope I'm pronouncing that right, Christina, And
she's joined by Emily Green. I'd just joined by Emily Green,
who's also apparently decided to run for the skate school board.
Christine and Emily, thanks for joining us tonight here on
the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Thanks for joining us. Thank you, Christina.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I want to ask you off the top, why did
you feel it necessary to write or post a comment
like this?

Speaker 14 (50:54):
Well, I think am I speaking to Rod?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, thanks Rod.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
I think first of all, I had no high blood
pressure when I wrote this. I just knew I needed
to inform people the filing window was open, and everybody
wants to know why. And the reality is very clear.
And I think that you know these are not new issues.
These are issues that I've spoken about repeatedly. I've been

(51:21):
open about them. I have not screamed and yelled and
all of the things that others may have done. But
I have been speaking about these issues ongoing for the
past three years. And so I just, in a very
calm moment of time, sat down and wrote this. Obviously
spent the time to edit it so that it was

(51:42):
clear and succinct as much as I could get it
to be, and I just put it out to the
public to just be very clear about why I'm not
choosing to engage in this for another four years.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
All right.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I want to get more into details of what you wrote,
but I also want to hear from Emily Green. Emily,
I understand you have decided not to run for reelection
in the state school board. Is that right, and if so.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Why that's correct.

Speaker 15 (52:09):
This is I've been working there for three years and
we've worked very, very hard to bring forward what I
have always called the heavy hitters. It is the things
that have resonated and have been asked for buyer constituents
to address. I made a personal post that I sent

(52:30):
out yesterday explaining some of my reasons, and it really
comes down to the fact that there is what I've
described a machine that runs education, and what I see
is that elected officials platforms are either absorbed into that
machine or they are quickly discarded to play the game

(52:51):
of politics, which unfortunately forgets constituents and their desires very quickly,
and so you get to a point where you question
whether your efforts are best spent in that realm. I'm
a small business owner. I think a little bit differently.
I always have, and so what I say is the
market will prove themselves. The sad thing is that we

(53:13):
see a decrease in attendance or enrollments I should say statewide,
and that's not only in public education, but higher ed
at large. And I would say that the market speaks
for itself, and we are looking for a product that

(53:34):
we feel confident in, that delivers what it promises. And
if we feel that we are not seeking that. We
live in a day and age where education can be
delivered differently, more efficiently, and more honestly. And so if
I am not being impactful in this realm, I can
go elsewhere and build those systems that will respond appropriately

(53:57):
to those demands.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
So ask you in terms of your the letter or
the post that you get shared, where you I mean
and I thought it was real compelling. You say, I'm
not quitting, I'm not running away. I just don't want
to be associated with something that is theatrical and it's
not substantive and it's not real. It just piqued my interest.
Can you give us some now that you're leaving. Can

(54:20):
you give us some example, some names, some places where
maybe the public has believed that good things and the
things they'd expect from the school board to be accomplished,
but they were they were just really being shuffled, you know,
just deceived or there was a shell game going on.
Can you give us some examples of that?

Speaker 14 (54:37):
Absolutely? But first, I'm not done yet. I'm here for
another year, folks, so you better be excited about my smile.
Well that's going to get awkward, you know, it might
get awkward, But I tell you what. That's part of
the ongoing frustration is that at the state board they

(54:58):
don't allow you to disagree without spiritual abuse. And if
you disagree, there is an arm of spiritual abuse that
will come out. And they use very religious language to
browbeat board members either into submission or into their camp.
And it's a very loud game that's played. It's overt,

(55:22):
it's not hidden. You hear these lists language on the
public record, and so that's not something that's new. I've
spoken about it. I spoke about it when I posted this.
But just as an example, let's talk about.

Speaker 10 (55:39):
DEI.

Speaker 14 (55:40):
For example, this DEI law passes out of the legislature
and everybody, you know, the Felt Lake Tribune is saying
they're seeing other arms of media are saying their thing.
But there were two things in that it were very important,
and they were exception and exemption clauses. And that bill,

(56:00):
despite all the hubbub around it has not made any
impactful change in K twelve N and it's because of
the exception and the exemption clauses. Now, if you take
that and you move that into the state board, we
do the same thing. For example, we recently passed I
believe it was R two seven seven one two three,

(56:22):
and it had a list of things in there wherein
our elas had to go through certain processes, and then
there was a final one and I believe it was
number fourteen in the list. And if I'm wrong, well
it was thirteen, and we can all, you know, go
crazy on Twitter about it. But the final one, basically

(56:43):
I'm synthesizing, said the LA can tell the State Board
to pound sand And obviously that's not quotable language, but
that is the synthesis of the final one. So we
pretend we're doing great work and then we can say
or you can just tell us to biton. So that's
not good policy making.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I hear you, and I you know, I think that
in the legislative process, you it is math. You got
to get fifty percent plus one of any board or
if you're on a committee, or if you're in the legislature,
So in a school board or in the legislative committee
and on the floor, it's the same. Sometimes there will
be some amendments that that changed. Maybe it still changes
for the best of status quo, but it might not
be exactly as a sponsor it had wanted. What I

(57:25):
hear you saying is that the DEI language that the
legislature passed, the legislative intent was not followed in what
was passed by the school board. So I guess my
question is do you think that DEI and it was
just good?

Speaker 14 (57:40):
Actually interrupt you, Mary, interrupt you. Yes, what I was
using was a parallel example. So the legislature passed the
law and they exempted it and accepted it as similar
was what we did with this other rule. But DEI
is effectively not been eradicated from schools. It's still there,
still in full force every day.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
That's what Yeah, thanks for clarifying. That's what I actually
want to know is what do you think the state
of DEI is in the schools in our k through
twelve schools today versus before the legislature acted or the
state school board acted. Is anything change or is the
status quo going uninterrupted?

Speaker 14 (58:19):
I would say, is going uninterrupted?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Emily?

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I want to hear from you as well we do.
Do you have the same feelings that we just heard
Christina express? Do you have those same feelings Emily?

Speaker 15 (58:33):
I would say that she makes a really good example
that when some things or past clauses can be put
in that the gates anything any genuine effort that was made.
I feel that there are school districts that have realized
what was happening, and I feel like there has an
effort in some areas. I know of one school one

(58:58):
county that I would call the most woke, if I
may use that term, in the state of Utah, and
we've had situations that have brought international attention, but it's
because they're foundations that still exist that runs their school

(59:22):
and the expectations are there for their teachers, for their administrators,
for everybody that's involved in that realm. No, the area
hasn't gone anywhere at all, and it's very disheartening.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Emily.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Let me ask you you you made a comment and
a few months ago you said they aren't delivering what
it promised. The board is not doing that. Can you
cite an example in that regard? Is it in line
with the DEA concerns that you have, or there are
other issues DEI, or there are other issues as well.

Speaker 15 (59:54):
I describe it this way. When people campaign, you can
sound really good and you can make beautiful promises, and
you can say we hear you, we see you, We're
going to fix DEI, we're gonna we're going to bring
academics back, we're going to we're going to protect the
innocence of children. And the way that I have personally

(01:00:18):
experienced this is that your campaign speech is different than
making policy and making rules. And whether it's just board
members not knowing that, not connecting that, or being to
timid or cowardly to follow through on that, that's that's

(01:00:41):
up for debate. The good part, you know, the different
part heart of mind. I want to say, maybe they
just don't know. But then you start to see patterns
of behavior where if it seems too loud, too aggressive,
to specific you lose votes on issues that that they

(01:01:04):
campaigned for. And there comes a point where I say,
the political capital, the exchange of political capital, runs their decisions,
and in my opinion, it's it's travesty, it's detrimental, it's
a disservice, and it happens all the time, and it's

(01:01:24):
very disheartening. And I would I would call any person
that serves in an elected official position, don't forget why
you ran and don't be afraid when that policy is
in front of you, that has translated your campaign promises
on paper. Vote yes for it, Yeah, it doesn't meet

(01:01:45):
that expectation, vote no, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
And I appreciate that observation. I think you're exactly right.
I think that the the the what you campaign on,
that's all that voters have. And if it's not what
you're doing in the vote, it's in front of you.
I think that is something that ought to be brought
to attention. So let me ask you this, because I'm
a recovering public servant. One of the things I think
I fought against the most was I didn't want to
be misunderstood or misrepresented. Those those are the two things

(01:02:11):
that I just wanted to You could disagree with me.
If you if you really if I felt like we
understood each other and you knew what my point was
and where I was going. But you hate to be misrepresented.
I think in this letter, Christina, where you don't pull
any punches, you say that the school board and you're
going to serve with them for another year. You're saying
that that you are done lending your name and your

(01:02:33):
vote and even your silence to a broken, corrupt, and
morally bankrupt system that no longer serves as children or
families of the state. When you say the system, are
you talking about the board members that you serve with?
Are they morally are they corrupt? Are they? Are they?
Is it that bad? Because it reads pretty severe.

Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
I would argue that it is that bad. Yes, I
think that, you know, I've had actually meetings with USB
leadership about the different corrupt things that have been happening,
you know, and I'll just name a few board members.
Leaking private and confidential documents to the press is one.

(01:03:15):
I would argue that that is a corrupt behavior. I
would argue that feeding the press overtly false or misleading
information and letting that permeate throughout our state as truth
is overtly corrupt, and that has happened. I can't I
can't even count it on all my fingers and toes.
And I work in schools, and when I go into

(01:03:36):
schools and my peers and my colleagues, they say, is
this happening? And I'm like, no, that was more fake news.
This is what's happening. Let me send you the link.
You can look at it. And most of them are like, oh, okay,
crisis averted. And so when board members do that, that's
corruption at its finest, because we agitate the collective Utah

(01:03:57):
Society for things that are overtly on truth. You know,
when we're talking about schmoozing in board meetings and outside
board meetings to shape different outcomes like little thank you
cards or treats and pranks during and around policy debates,
to deflect from the discussion and to project camaraderie that
isolates policy focused members, to distract from the conversation at hand.

(01:04:22):
That's generianly corrupt. When you're walking around tickling people, it's unprofessional,
And I would argue that there's an element of corruption
there because you are purposefully distracting from the conversation at
hand when someone else is speaking, so that that person
can't hear or consider their thoughts when they're speaking to

(01:04:43):
different issues. You know, it's very interesting. Vote my way
and I'll give you presents is actually a tactic that
is alive and well on the Utah State Board of Education,
and I would argue that it's an AstroTurf style tactic
that needs to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Christian Yeah, yeah, you mentioned you're going to be around
for a year. I'm not sure what the length of
Emily's term is. How do you two propose to get
along with the board in this coming year after writing
something like this, I mean, what what do you expect
to happen now?

Speaker 14 (01:05:15):
To be honest, I don't know. I think that in
the past three years, my strategy, if you will, has
been I say hard things, I do hard things, and
I go and shake hands anyway. And it's my expectation
that the others do the same. And the people that
I have found the best camaraderie with on the board

(01:05:37):
are actually, believe it or not, the people who disagree
with me the most, and they are the ones that
will sit down and have hard conversations and walk away friends.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Emily, your thoughts on that. Yeah, Emily, your thoughts, well, I.

Speaker 15 (01:05:55):
Would I would say that again coming from my mindset.
If you don't improve your product, if you don't improve
your business, if you don't improve you know those different levels,
your business dies. So for me, having hard conversations is
actually more productive. I maybe didn't experience that, say, in

(01:06:21):
my growing up years or whatever, but when I married
into my husband's family, the experience was in a family
owned business, you will have loud voices, you will have arguments,
and then you'll go out and have dinner together, and
it blew me away. And I was so thankful to
see that. So maybe I'd come out of a place

(01:06:43):
of you know, I've been very lucky to see that
confrontation is actually can be a very healthy thing, and
you come to better solutions, You think better, You say
that the hard parts out loud, and in doing so,
you shed light on the dark spaces and you can say, oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:07:03):
We could be better.

Speaker 15 (01:07:04):
Let's do that, Let's try that. I also like to
give people the chance to keep moving forward and to
hold people constantly in a place of saying I'm the
only one doing something, or you know there's no hope. Well,

(01:07:29):
everyone's doing their part. Could we all do better? Let's
always try to be better. Is this hard to hear? Yes,
But I'm going to like take a deep breath and
I'm going to keep listening, and we're going to keep talking,
and we're going to get this right because the people
expect it, and they.

Speaker 14 (01:07:44):
Trusted us to do that.

Speaker 15 (01:07:46):
They saw us as somebody that could have hard conversations
and I've tried to never shy away from that, and
I won't shy away from that, even if it means
posting something like this triggers hard conversations that are we
still have work to do, and we can and we will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Emily and Christina. Yeah, Emily and Christina, we appreciate your
time and let's see what happens from here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you for your candor.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Well, the curtain back a bit. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Christina Bogas, Christina August, and Emily Green, members of the
State Board of Education will announced they will not seek
reelection because of their frustrations in the way the Board
of Education and the system of education in this state operates.
More coming up on The Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one Oh five nine k A n R S.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Way, do you see this judge that Maduro's involved. He's
probably going to be so pro Maduro it's going to
drive us crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Obama appointed judge.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
And then and then DC. You can't. If you're a Republican,
you're you're going to the clink. And if you're a
Democrat you can. You don't, you've never committed a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Well, Utah lawmakers they're in session. What the day after
Martin Luther King day? Right, they'll be in session and
lawmakers apparently are planning, according to a story today, are
planning to replace a oratorium ungender transition treatments for nations
with a permanent band good. Several other states have done this.
Looks like Utah is going along with us well, joining

(01:09:10):
us on our newsmaker line to talk about the transgender movement,
the gender affirming wolfster, so to speak. Joining us is
Jeff Davidson. He is a work life balanced expert wrote
an article about this. Jeff, thanks for joining us tonight.
Give us your overall assessment right now as to where
things stand on the whole debate or of the transgender movement,
a very hot topic.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
What are your thoughts it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Is contested, and if you look back even recent trends,
you'll find it. Overall, I don't know, maybe a decade
or so, the number of youth and I'm here referring
to maybe sixteen and under that have identified themselves as gay, lesbian, trans, bisexual,

(01:09:56):
what have you, has skyrocketed. It's like double triple or
even quadruple what it was a generation to go now,
how is this happening? I think in many instances, the
influence of peers makes people think, oh gosh, maybe I
am this or that, whereas in the past maybe you

(01:10:16):
were just confused for a while and let it go,
or you didn't do anything about it and things fell
into place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Who can say, you know, here's my question. I think
you talk about how history will remember what's happened to
these kids. As time goes forward, there's probably going to
be a big backlash and people wondering, what in the
world were you thinking. Here's my worry, though, what parent
will ever admit that they permanently and forever harm their
own child. Won't there be a defense mechanism that prevents

(01:10:47):
us from learning from the mistakes of the past because
parents don't want to ever admit that they've harmed their children.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Well, parents may not admit it, but when the child
reaches the legal age wants to take action, there's not
much a parent is going to be able to defend
against because the evidence is right there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I agree. What about what about when you look at this,
look at how the decisions made during COVID has just
halted academic progress year over year and consequences we're seeing
from this. Do you see any correlation in terms of
those that caused it? Are now the ones rattling the
sabers to highlight the fact that there's a problem. Are
we going to see a leftist movement over these people

(01:11:27):
who went through the transgender uh, you know change, and
now they're they're advocating for them in some way where
they're still a victim class. I'm getting ahead of it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
This will advocate for whatever they they ever gone onto,
most of which is against President Trump. Yes, if they
can find an issue that will divide people, that will
rile people, that will gin up their base, then they'll
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Jeff, Are they opposed to this because Donald Are they
supporting this because Donald Trump is against it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
I mean, can it come down to that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
No, no, no, this was in motion before Trump was reelected.
But let's look at the broad perspective. You can't drive
in the US in most states till you're sixteen, and
even then it's a restricted license, and then two years
later at eighteen you can drive. Okay. You can't vote
at sixteen almost everywhere it's eighteen. You can't even have

(01:12:27):
tobacco legally till you're twenty one. It used to be eighteen,
but it got raised because there was so many problems.
Now we know people smoke way earlier than twenty one,
but twenty one is the legal age. Let's take one more.
Drinking used to be six, used to be eighteen, now
it's twenty one. So if we're talking about sixteen, eighteen,

(01:12:51):
twenty one year olds having to wait for these various
permissions and legalities, why on earth should an eight or
ten or twelve be able to change their sex.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
You know, you warn in your column that they're all
while we're seeing a decline, and you note also that
it started before Trump was elected, But you do warn
that there are teachers, there are peers, there are people
that are going to continue to attempt to influence young
people that gender dysphoria may not last forever, but if
you go through the transition from one gender of the other,
that is a lifetime decision. How light? So where would

(01:13:26):
you put if I had a pie chart and I
was staring at it? Do you think there's a forty
percent of the movement that was going on pre twenty
five is still amongst us? Is it a small group
of people where work? What are our kids? I guess
facing as they go to school and as this movement
doesn't seem to be as strong, but it's still out there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
It's hard to put an actual number on it, but
I would say, if forced, it's at least on its
way down half or less, maybe going down to forty
or thirty percent. But as you pointed out, there are
adults in positions of influence wins unfortunately, who will continue

(01:14:04):
to apply their views regardless of what society says, what
the law says, what medicine says, what common sense says.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Jeff, Like in so many other issues, in a way,
I think, doesn't this kind of come down to the money?
I mean, you have Europe, like the UK, and I
think other European countries who have said no, we aren't
doing this anymore. We're putting a stop to it, but
it continues here in the US because people are making millions,
if not billions of dollars off of this. So does that,

(01:14:34):
in part come down to the money issue as well?

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
So much of what goes on in American politics comes
down to the money. And let's face it, there are
whole institutions that are dedicated to offering gender affirming care,
gender affirming transitions, gender affirming surgeries, and there are doctors
who make a big payload from it. Have figured out that, Hey,

(01:15:02):
studies are starting to come in a lot of people
do not get the results they were hoping for. The
changes are permanent. I think in the future you're going
to see suicides go up. You're going to see all
kinds of problems.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
What about the just to tag onto that, the violence,
I mean, is that going to be We're seeing a
lot of people they try to they tried to hide
the origins, maybe the journals of those that were committing
some of these mass shootings and because of their transgender
situation and where they were. What do you see with
the violence?

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
I will not escalate that for part of the article,
but I do know that the violence as a percentage
of the population of transgenders is slightly higher than the
violence of non transvendors. I know that, but here's here's
another point I want to bring up that I think

(01:15:57):
might be important to listeners. We have to for those
who are on the right or lean to the right,
we have to make sure that we don't make faux
pause and we don't make false claims. You see all
the time people saying that Michelle Obama is a man
or Michelle Obama had sexual surgery when she was young.

(01:16:17):
You can dispel this notion in five seconds. Just type
into Google young Michelle Obama and dozens of pictures will
appear that are obviously Michelle Obama at a young age.
The same thing with Bridget McCrone in France. She's had
three children. I mean, we got to stop doing this.

(01:16:37):
Every time we make these kinds of accusations, we weaken
our arguments about other things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Jeff Davidson joining us. Jeff, of course, a work life
balance expert, wrote an article about history and how it
will judge gender, affirming Wooster's I'm glad to see that
the Utah legislature may consider not a moratorium, which they
initially passed they wanted more research, but now the research
has comeing out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
No done bad.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I think it was avoid some of the litigation that
would have put it a hold on that and let
the status quo prevail. I think they were successful and
they're moratorium. It didn't get interrupted by any court. They've
learned information from there. I think the next step is
what they're doing just.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Right more coming up, Rod and Greg with you. You're
on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine Cannis. All right,
would this throw you a little bit? I'm watching this
video Greg. Apparently and where was this? It doesn't say
in which state, but apparently a man rode his horse
into a Target store and started going up and down
the aisles.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
That's funny, and the horse pooped all over the place.
That's not funny.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
No, that's terrible. That's Those are called street apples, not
Walmart apples. That doesn't work. That's that's not apples. Yes,
street apples, I've never heard of them. Heard your dogs
leave you lawn sausage and the horses leave you street apples.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I didn't know I'd learned so much from you every.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Day Walmart apples.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I want to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
This was in the Target story Target Apple, Target Apple. Sorry,
it'd be escorted out with security holding the horse. I
guess so, all right, head on the shoulders back, I mean, God,
bless you and your family and this great country of ours.
Thanks for listening tonight. We're back tomorrow at four. Enjoy

(01:18:21):
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