The Rod and Greg Show: Utah Bill Aims to Solve Violent Cold Cases; Mass Immigration is Economic Warfare

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're doing a great job with no no of inversion
we have. We've had a few days sky blue skies.
We've had a few days. I think the environment's doing well. Yeah,
I can't I can't complain.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of course, we won't have anything to drink this summer,
but that's not important. Well, you'll have red bull.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Water it's pretty good too, you know it is. It's
all right. We have got a busy show for you today.
We'll talk about how massive immigration is creating economic warfare
in the country. We'll talk about that. Uh, a bill
to solve violent crimes in Utah has been introduced up
the Utah Legislature. We'll talk with the sponsor of that

(00:39):
a little bit later on. We'll talk about another bill
up at the legislature. I guess I had a hearing today,
right Greg. It was a bill to protect sex changes
for minors that was discussed up on the hill. Pack
a packed hearing room on that.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, my contacts, you know, kind of side some photos
of the committee room and the overflow. It's quite packed. Yeah,
So there's that. Yeah, and it's it's a divided room.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
There's that.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
This isn't one of those bills where you're gonna find
common ground. Oh no, you're gonna problem solve. No, no, no,
you got two sides. And uh really it's that bill
is going to go up or down. It's gonna probably die.
But yeah, yeah, the U but I heard that it
got a little sketchy. They had to turn off. This
doesn't happen very often, but one of the members of
the public, uh whatever they were saying, whether they were

(01:24):
going over their time or it started getting a little
a little leedgy. So the microphone was turned off and
the person continued to speak. And then, as is the
case sometimes you do have highway patrol that do uh,
they are present in some of those hearings. If tempers
have the potential to flare, you want to have it.
You want to have a quiet and you know, judicious process.
And so the patrolman began to approach the member of

(01:46):
the public that had spoken after the mic was off.
Had that person thought better and got up and left?
So okay, crisis averted. No drama, no no Minnesota going
on in Salt Lake or at our capital. It sounds like,
you know, cooler heads prevented.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, let me tell you what Greg and I before
the start of the show, just watched a video and
it is a video that I think you would agree
is going to drive the libs crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, well you know why because it's patriotic in America.
There's nothing that they hate more than America. So this
is just going to be like kryptonite to them when
they see this beautiful commercial.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well what it is. Budweiser has just dropped their twenty
twenty six Super Bowl commercial and it is as patriotic
I think, Greg as it gets.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Kid.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah you said you got goosebumps.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yep, yeah I did.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's a beautiful commercial, So yeah, it will be It
will be a lot of I think all the everyday
Americans will love it. I think the normis will love it.
And the leftists they hate this country are going to
resent every second of that. Will they will they really
be watching the Super Bowl anyway, They probably don't watch it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
They think they probably think football is.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
A yeah, violent sport something. Yeah, they don't do that,
Judge and football.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, apparently, Greg. Today, some students at a couple of
high schools here in the state decided to walk out
protesting against immigration.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And I do you think they know what the issues are. No,
but I would be leading that charge right, get you
out of school. It could be for Donald Duck, it
could be for Mickey Mouse, and it could be for anything.
I will be getting out of that school. I'd be saying,
there's a walk out, show me where to walk.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I would just take off.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Weren't you telling me you once cheered on a teacher
strike when you were in high school as.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
A senior, and they were going so our first day
of school got delayed. Teachers and my friends driving the
picket line. I'm hanging half out the window, going stay strong,
don't give up, stay out here, don't give in. I
was trying to keep my summer vacation going. I was
all in on their teacher strike, and they I didn't.
I don't think they appreciate my support. I don't know
why what the teachers did. Yeah, I was hanging out

(03:42):
the window, just cheering them on, saying, never give up,
never give in.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, you're just supported a year you don't want to
go to school. That's right, That's what it was all about. Huh.
All right, I don't know what it is, but I
you read these stories and there are two or three
of them now around the country. Greg, But I think
the left is truly sick. They need the left needs help.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
It's getting worse. And it's such an irony to have
the left too. They've always wanted to demonize their political opponents.
As you know, they have moral failings, they have intellectual failings,
they have there's all these things that are wrong with
people that don't subscribe to their worldview. But then they
themselves get on the social media and they talk and
they say some things that are just they're homicidal. H
They're crazy, They're just they're full fledged crazy. There's no

(04:25):
there's no middle ground it. This is not hyperbole. It
is just nuts what they are saying.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, there are people in the medical community and this
isn't an isolated instant, and apparently there are several stories
out there around the country. But apparently they think, Greg,
those on the left who are in the medical profession
to take care of all of us, right, think that
by denying medical care or wishing physical harm on ice
or anybody who goes along with MAGA is the right

(04:51):
thing to do.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's one thing that that Trump derangement syndrome has
them so crazy. About Trump or anything else. But now,
if you're one of the seventy seven milli people that
voted for President Trump and you want to make America
great again, you have some You have some nurses and
people out there that don't want to administer healthcare or
life saving care to people who are supportive of President

(05:13):
Trump or who would dare say or have a hat
that says make America great again.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well, Virginia Commonwealth University VCU and the VCU police are
now investigating a nurse at a hospital there. She made
a series of videos about fighting back against federal law
enforcement agencies. Here are a clip of a couple of
those videos.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
I thought it was something good. I think it's something weird.
Spot sabotage tactic, or at least scare tactic. All the
medical providers grab some syringes with needles on the end,
have them full of sailing or sucks and the coin,
you know whatever whatever, That will probably be a deterrent.
Anybody got any poison ivy poison oak in their yard,

(06:01):
get some of that up with gloves, obviously, get it
in some water, like a gallon of water, and get
some get the poison ivy oak water and I'm going
to put it into a water gun. Aim for game
for faces. Hands are the single ladies where these ice
guys are going have a chance to do something, you know,

(06:26):
not without risk, but could help the cause for sure.
Get on Tinder, get on Hinge. Find these guys they're around,
they're an ice agent. Bring some xlax and put it
in their drigs.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Get them sick.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah, nobody's gonna die, just enough to incapacity them and
get them off the street for the next day.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are you kidding me? Greg? This is a nurse instructing
people how to impact the health of ice agents.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Give them, well some of those things, but she says
none of this is would be life three. Well, on
the contrary, there was one video where she had she
or one of these nurses encouraged I don't know how
to say the sick. Yeah, that is a temporary paralysis drug. Well,

(07:15):
someone wanted to make it very clear that that drug
would if you gave that to someone, they would be
a charge with attempted murder. That's it's a paralytic drug
that prevents an individual from being able to breathe, and
unless artificial respiration is provided, that individual die. Uh, that's
that's a nurse, and that's that is that is a
drug that could result in death, and she's encouraging that

(07:37):
drug to be given to ice agents. So I just
that is cuckoo for Coco Pops. That is nuts. That
person should not be a nurse. That person should not
be delivering healthcare to anyone in need. And uh, but
you know what, I will guarantee you Rod that there's
probably a good number certainly no one in it that
would listen to this program, but there's a good number
of people in America that would hear that and not

(08:00):
anything anything wrong with it. Okay, that's a good idea. Yeah,
let's try some of that.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Well the university, by the way, VCU has
suspended her and police are investigating this, so we'll see
what happened. But that's not the only one. Here's another one.
Greg a male nurse in Florida, likely to lose his
job after posing that he will refuse to treat supporters
of Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, he's an anethesiologist. His name is doctor Eric Martindale
sparked a social media uproar after posting on his Facebook
account that he would let MAGA supporters suffer and refuse
to perform any anesthesia on mega clients. The left is
truly lost.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Do you think that I'll have a chilling effect on
his practice? Does he just practice on leftist loons that
would love what he just said?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I would imagine. So it's just nuts fun it is.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But you know, the reason we share this with you
is because the arrogance and the hubris of the left,
where they would want you to believe that you're the problem.
They are the problem. They have a worldview that we
don't subscribe to you that is all about their control.
And then look at the people that subscribe to what
they want to do. They are just unhinged and they're
getting where. I swear. These are things that a number
of years ago, it didn't matter your political party that

(09:13):
you would affiliate with, you would never saying something like this.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
This is that is like I said, they are truly sick.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, that is outside polite society. I will just say that.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, we've got a lot to get to today. It
is great to have you along for the ride. It
is the Rotten Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio. What
O five Dine Knrs, Clear Blue sky so much hate.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yet I think our legislator has done a bang up
job cleaning up the air years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
The debate over air quality. It's kind of disappeared.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
The legislature always cleans the air around this time of year.
It just seems to be what they do. Fifty degrees
and be sure they clear it. You would know, mister speaker. Well,
we have talked for a long long time on this
show about the impact of immigration on this country. Mass immigration.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
By the way, what our next guest says, mass immigration
is economic warfare and few Americans apparently understanding it. Joining
us on our any Hour Newsmaker line is Ammin Blair.
He is a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation,
also a former US Border Patrol agent. Emmon, how are
you welcome to the Roden greg Show. Great to have
you on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, great to be here, em and.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Talk about this economic warfare that mass immigration is waging.
What is exactly do you see going on?

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Sure, So you have states like China, Somalia, Mexico, other
countries that are utilizing population movements as an instruments of
state influence their own economic survival. As a major portion
of their GDP actually comes from remittances as well as

(10:50):
political leverage, even when they are not formally declared or
essentially really coordinated. What we think they're not coordinated anyway.
And so what we're seeing is we saw the invasion
happen under the Bide administration of millions of four nationals
into the United States. What we really didn't see is,

(11:11):
or what was not made really aware, was that many
of these nation states saw this as an opportunity to
have an amazing We turned on investment by making these
four nationals or their own citizens as financial assets to
their own country while they operate here in the US.
And so if you do this at scale, that can

(11:34):
lead to millions. And we're actually losing hundreds of billions
of dollars each year in terms of money coming out
of our own economy into the nations worldwide.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
So you know, this is this is something that's happened
in the past, but I think has accelerated. I think
that the numbers that you share are shocking to me.
Sixty four billion dollars of those that have come across
this into the United States from Mexico. I got to
imagine many of those or most of those are illegal.
Sixty four billion dollars are wired to Mexico from the

(12:09):
United States from the money that they make some countries.
You point out the money that's wired to the countries
they came from their countries of origin. It could represent
up to twenty five percent of that country's GDP. Boy,
is that a money maker for those countries to send
that many people over uninterrupted to then wire money across.
Have you seen the president? I mean, we've got good

(12:31):
immigration laws on the border. What is being done about this?
This is these are numbers that I don't think our
listeners or I have heard before.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
No, you know, into the first Trump administration, there was
talks that he was going to block money transfers to
Mexico in other countries and back then the US since
it was at a record of thirty three point four billion.
So it's already doubled since the first Trump administration to
now what we're already sending back to Mexico. And so

(13:01):
I really haven't heard much talk other than Congress trying
to tax miniances. You have individual states now also submitting
legislation to tax the remittances. But really, if you look
at it, the Federal Reserve is the one somewhat in
control over what is being done to our country and

(13:22):
the form of remittances. And it was actually created. This
system was created under George Bush, President Bush a little
after two thousand and one s US Mexico Partnership for Prosperity.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
And so.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Ever since then, nations have been utilizing their central banking
system as well as our central banking system under the
Federal Reserve to transfer funds. And now that we're there
was heavy like it was heavily scrutinized on the first
from administration. They started going through other asymmetric means, whether

(13:58):
that is through other cashing apps or whether that was
also through cryptocurrencies. Just like how the Mexican cartels shifted
a lot of their bulk money transfers from the interior
of the United States down to Mexico, we saw them
now starting to work with the Chinese uh the CCP
back to triads through Chinese banking systems as well as cryptocurrency.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Emin What if we just turned this pick it off,
I mean, what kind of impact would that have on Mexico?
I mean, did you say Greg twenty.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Four billion dollars? It was thirty thirty five thirty five
billion and twenty five percent of some countries' GDP total
GPD GDP or wire transfers from people that live here
sending their money there.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, and then what would happen if we turned this
pic it off?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You know, great question.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I mean, this is this is this is just like
this is just like tariffs, right yeah, really at the
end of the day, we could completely shut this off.
And that's why a lot of these nations, if you
if you go back to under the Bide administration, many
of these nations opened up their borders and allowed the
mass invasion to happen through their countries. Helps facilitate it
through our international NGOs and bring them into the United

(15:07):
States because not only are they able to gain financial
interest for our financial assets based off of them being
in the United States, but if they're an adversarial state
like China, Iran and others that also use proxies to
control these diasporas inside the United States like Hakani network

(15:28):
Isis or the CCP triad, or Mexican Cartels draand Aragua
you name any or Al Shabab like in Minneapolis in Minnesota,
and so when you have that they are able to
control and govern these foreign populations inside the United States
and use them for whatever operational need they need, whether
that is illicit goods like narcotics, human trafficking, labor trafficking,

(15:52):
or any of the criminal activity in that region. And
so they're able to these adversarial states are able to
destabliz our societies from the bottom up, while the exact
same time is receiving massive amounts of financial gain.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So I can't help but think of Minnesota when you
talk about this. It's one thing when these gangs come
over and they have these criminal enterprises and they're sending
money that they're making through human trafficking, drug trafficking. When
you look at Minnesota, you're seeing an incredible amount of
taxpayer dollars that are being funneled to people then being
shipped out overseas. Is there at least the thought that

(16:28):
if you're on public assistance, that you don't have access
to wire money outside the country, because the theory goes
that if you need public assistance, you don't have the
money yourself, why would you ever need to wire money
outside the country. Is there anything like that that's being
looked at or pursued.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yes, they are trying to pursue that behind the scenes
in the Trump administration, looking at ways and means to
attack this situation. But to be honest, that rhetoric in
terms of remittances and doing something about it really has
not been mentioned. And that is actually why I wrote
this article. I wrote this article for the nation to

(17:07):
see exactly what remittances are at at a scale, the
aggregate form of remittances as a whole, and how much
to the billions of dollars each year we're actually losing
in what we are funding. We are funding our adversaries,
we are funding foreign terish organizations with this, and we
are funding our own demise.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Boy are we ever? Am in great article, great research.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yes, sir, thank you all for having me.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
All right on our Newsmaker line. That's Ammon Blair. He
is a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation.
More coming up on the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Quickest fastest general session of any state in America. So
a lot of work being done, a lot of hard
work being done. Joining us on the program. Representative Tyler Clancy,
he's got a bill that's peaked our interest and we'd
love to hear more about Representative Clancy. Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Thank you citizen here.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm used to calling you speaker Cube, but glad to
be here.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's citizen to use nowadays, and that's fine. Representative you're
a you've been a fighter from the day that you
entered the chamber and you you're one of the young
guns up there. You got a bill that looks to
find additional funds to solve violent crimes in Utah. Uh,
share with our listeners a little some details about that
and maybe I know you're a member of law enforcement.

(18:23):
Why did you run this bill? What is it supposed
to do? Just give us some background.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
You got it well, and I'm actually a former now
former law.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Form I saw that, but I'm not happy that that's
the case. So I'm not acknowledging it.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Sorry, you got it.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
We'll listen you and Rob. This is something you've You've
talked about crime a lot on your show. But what
we're trying to get at is, you know, you have
a gang banger who's driving up to the gas station
ready to pull that trigger, and he's going to change
the course of of not just someone's life, but but
multiple people's lives for generations. There that individual needs to
know the heap, what was that trigger? He will be

(19:01):
held accountable. There's no ifs ands or butts. And that's
what clearance rates are all about. So we've got to
increase our clearance rates not just to bring victims and
their families justice, but actually prevents and deters future crime.
So when we can solve crime, and when we can
be really dedicated and dogged in the pursuit of justice,
that actually deters criminals recognizing they say, if I do this,

(19:25):
I'm going to get caught. I'm going to be held accountable.
And that's what we're trying to get out here.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Representative clientcy. How does this help solve crimes? Quicker? Is
it the money? Is that the resources that the money
would be able to purchase? How would it solve crimes?
Violent crimes? Quicker?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Well, what we're trying to find here is making sure
that money is not the prohibiting factor and solving a crime.
And so for example, this is about making sure rural
detectives get trained on the newest technology and the newest
investigative methods. This is about making sure that witnesses, particularly
with gang violence witness. There's money in the witness protection program,

(20:04):
so they feel safe to come forward and actually cooperate
with law enforcement in those types of investigations. So we're
getting at the heart of the issue here. And if
you look at the fund that we're creating, it's all
of those things. But when we see unsolved crimes, we
asked the question why that's what those are going to
fund and making sure we're filling those gaps.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So here's where the sausage gets made. And this is
the tough part. You've created a fund like this, and
I think that what you're doing here is obviously a
critical need and it's one you've had a front row
seat and you see and you're identifying. But when you
talk about a fund like this, even law you know statewide,
with all the different jurisdictions, there will be no shortage
of those that will probably jurisdictions law enforcement jurisdictions that

(20:44):
would need additional funds. Do you worry that this could
be watered down, that the amount that each jurisdiction would
get it might not be as impactful, or how do
you choose with a finite fund like that, who is
what jurisdictions are prioritized to be able to access funds
like this to do the things that you're talking about,
because there's not we're not endless money, So how does
a fund like this really get to where it's needed most.

Speaker 7 (21:08):
So here's here's I think the good news of it
is this type of training. It's more about the intentionality
of it rather than the gross number. So we'll work
with any amount of funding that we get. We also
know that there's private foundations out there that want to
see detectives pursue justice in this manner, and so making

(21:29):
sure that we have a split of urban and rural
agencies effected, and that's reflecting the bill. One piece I
do want to hit on, though, is we actually have
an evaluation piece connected in that legislation. So we're not
just funding good intentions. We're not just funding we think
this works, this is a good idea. We're actually evaluating

(21:50):
on the back end and saying is this leading to
more criminals being brought to justice? Is this leading to
more families that don't have question marks when they've lost
loved one? And so that's really what I think makes
this bill different than just kind of a you know, ceremonial.
You know, good feelings.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Built an amazing concept accountability. When did that idea? That's amazing?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
It is representative. I'm giving you a hard time about
you not that you're retiring from retiring from law enforce.
You're going to take on a very tough job in
that in homeless space, in the homeless space, so you're
going to leave the legislature. You're going to see front
row this this law enforcement issue and even solving violent crimes.
I'm going to skip a little bit. But in your
new upcoming job, working with the governor, working with the

(22:36):
state of Utah to deal with this issue, maybe different
than we have before. How do you how do you?
Are you going to be tough on crime? Are you
going to get soft on us? You know they all
get soft. I'm just gonna tell you right now, I
see them all. They all become pillows when they start
working in that space. Are you gonna Are you going
to have the compassion but the justice with it?

Speaker 7 (22:55):
So I'll do you one better. I mean, we're going
to be the soft. We're going to be the pillows,
the folks who need help to the predators. The message
is going to be in the State of Utah that
this is the absolute worst place to be. And I
tell you I actually have a lot of compassion for individuals,
particularly those who are who are mentally ill or otherwise vulnerable.
They are the people that are taking advantage of more

(23:18):
I mean orders of magnitude more when they're living on
the streets than others. And so I think people try
to paint with this broadbrush and say the homeless, Well,
the homeless means a lot of different things. Okay, I've
been out to tofer Park in Salt Lake City. A
lot of the people that I've seen dealing drugs out there,
they're walking back to apartment complexes. They're not actually homeless,

(23:39):
they're using it as a disguise. And so those are
the kinds of things that we're going to focus on
and be precise so that we're going to go after
the predators and make sure that they stop victimizing our
vulnerable population.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Representive Clancy, we know you're busy up on the hill.
You've got a conference I believe on this tonight. Thank
you for your time and I know we'll be talking again.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
Thank you, Pleasure Rod, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Thank Yousentive State Representative Tyler Clincy joining us on the
ny our newsmaker line. All right, more coming up. It
is the Rotting Greg show you're listening to on Utah's
Talk radio one oh five nine. Okay, and all right,
what was that I think it was? Was it the
re election of George Bush to his second term? Was
it two thousand and eight I believe or two something
like that? Greg? Where Ohio was a critical state in

(24:23):
that election?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Remember that Ohio? Am I right on that one? Yeah? Yeah, Well,
over time it's become a red state, correct, solid red
state for the bones part, Right, So explain this to me.
You have this Democrat, he's an attorney general. His name
is Elliott Forum. He says he is going to kill
Donald Trump if he's elected. He's running for attorney general. Oh, Greig,

(24:47):
what he said? He said? I want to tell you
what I mean when I say I'm going to kill
Donald Trump. I mean I'm going to obtain a conviction
rendered by a jury of his peers at as a
standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt based on evidence
presented at a trial conducted in accordance with the requirements
of a due due process, resulting in a sentence duly

(25:09):
elected of capital punishment. That's right, He's going to kill
him by putting him on trial for murder.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, I'm just going to say, that's not how that's
not the work. If you look at the dictionary, that
is not the definition of kill. That's nice way to
try to qualify it. But even even as he tries
to qualify it, it sounds again cuckoo for Coco Pops.
It's another insane Trump deranged crazy. But can I can
I can I complain about our good president for a second,

(25:37):
because you know, people the critics always say that we're
always an amen corner for Trump and that you know,
we don't have principles. We just follow him blindly. And
it's not the case. We We've actually found moments where
we didn't work. We didn't think it was the best
move or the highest or best move. And I love
this present. But he was asked about Greg Bovino today
and he said Bovino is very good. He is very good,

(25:59):
but he's he's a pretty out there kind of guy.
In some cases that's good. Maybe it wasn't good here.
I really really wish he had not said that. And
I and because a lot of people think that our
president is a kind of out there guy. And there's
a lot of people that defend our president and his
in those in any moment that they want to attack
or they want to go after him. Greg Bavino, Head

(26:22):
of ICE, he was not afraid to be head of
border Patrol. He was not. He didn't run away from
the media. He took every opportunity to speak in front
of them and defend the president's you know, priorities and
the mission at hand. And if he is accused of
being a pretty out there guy, it was only in
the defense of having to mass identify the illegal immigrants,

(26:45):
criminal immigrants and removing them. And I just regret to
hear anything but praise if you want to move him on,
if it's gotten you want to put a new look.
And Tom Holman is not a cream puff, So I
don't think it's gotten easier out there. But I just
there should be nothing but praise for that man. In
my mind, I think it's not a good a good
look for a president to kind of hedge on him.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Another name that is coming up, of course, is Christy Noman.
Now the story is that Noam called the president last
night and said I want to meet with you, And
apparently there was a two hour meeting at the White
House last night involving Christy noome the President, and several
of his key advisors. He was asked today, Greg, on
his way to Iowa, where he's been speaking this afternoon,
if he's going to get rid of her.

Speaker 8 (27:27):
Tom Mahoman, as you know, is in Minnesota now he's
leeting with the governor and he's meeting.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
With the mayor.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
I think later, and I hear that goal going very well. Okay,
I'm going to Iowa. Some of you are coming with me,
but I'm going to Iowa. And why can I say?
The economy is good.

Speaker 9 (27:45):
It's all good.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Prices are coming way down, and we have a lot
of very positive news.

Speaker 9 (27:53):
He believe get outside dash was justified.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
But you don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
It an investigation.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
I want to be the investigation. I'm gonna be watching
over and I want to very honorable and honors investigation.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
I have to see as much.

Speaker 12 (28:13):
I'm gonna step down.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Is Christy nomean going to step down? And he said,
right there, Greg no So standing behind Christy Nolan. But
you've got there's got to be some friction there with
you know what he decided to do, selecting Tom Holman
to get up there and to see if he can.
I don't know what he's attempting to do here. I'm
with you. We trust that he's doing the right thing,
but I do not want him to cave.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
No, and I and I don't think any public statement
of Greg Boveno other than thank you for the work
you've done. They were they were attacked incessantly. That that
mayor Fry is still saying after his meeting, he is
still a sanctuary city. He is still instructing. This is
after his meeting with the president. He is still instructing
his Minneapolis law enforcement to not cooperate with federal law

(28:56):
enforcement at all. You know, you know, should not be
the subject of who is the out there guy. It's
those loans and that governor and that mayor.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, you know what Walls did last night a little
bit different last night. There was another hotel attack last
night and gets who were called out to stop it,
Minneapolis Police.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, it's about well, I think the state police.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think it was so maybe Walls, you know, maybe
he's relaxing too.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
They got caught organizing all the all the attacks against him.
So now he's got to you know, he's got charge
for all that. So now he's trying to play nice.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
You've got to think President Trump has a plan on this.
I don't know what it is. He's a negotiator, what
the end result is going to be. We have to
you know, we've trusted him up to this point.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I trust it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
We'll we'll see what he does when it comes to
trying to cool things down in Minneapolis. But it's a
two way three. Both sides have to cool it down.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's right. I trust him too, But I just I
wouldn't have picked on Greg Leavino.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Then, all right, Mark, coming up, second hour, The Rod
and Greg Show is on its ways and we've had
some great conversations already today about the cost and mass
immigration and efforts to solve violent crimes here in this
state of Utah. All right, Greg, a lot going on

(30:11):
on the Minnesota front. We haven't talked a whole lot
about that yet today, but you know there are changes
you raised before we went to our news updated at
the top of the hour. Uh disagreeing? Is that fair
to say? With President Trump in the way Bovino is
being treated.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed that someone that has done
the hard work in politics and public policy, it is
so easy to a do nothing, b look like you're
doing something, look like you're busy. Hey, let's look like
we're busy and do and still do nothing. Yeah, Greg
Bvino was not doing that. He was doing what is
the most difficult thing to do is to go into

(30:49):
a sanctuary city, in a sanctuary state where you have
no support from law enforcement, like the rest of the country,
where we're much more by way of deportations, removals are
happening there. They are being organized, they are being confronted.
I guarantee you there are so many of these very
moments where the Left is trying to put these agents,
these federal law enforcement agents, in positions where they have

(31:10):
to make split second decisions, hoping they'll make a mistake,
hoping they do something wrong so they can condemn everything
and stop the deportation of the illegal immigrants, the criminal
immigrants that are here. He was leaning in, He made
himself available to every interview, and I just think if
he was hiding, if he was, there's a lot of
things you could be disappointed in but his work he

(31:33):
was doing in Minnesota isn't one that I would have
been critical.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So you you you think he should have been kept there.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
No, I'm saying I wouldn't disparage him publicly.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You want to, but just say, hey, great job, thank you,
but we're going to do to go in a different direction.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I would look, I would say, this guy's has done
everything we've asked. He is a hero. We're going to
do this, We're bringing Tom Holman in. We're going to
keep going. But but nothing but appreciation and respect for
a person that's been through what he's been through. Look,
when I went I've done. I went down to skid
Row in LA when I was a Speaker of the House,
when we were trying to deal with homelessness, and I
met with the LAPD down there, and they said, like

(32:09):
a war zone, okay, you don't leave your soldiers in
the front line indefinitely. They have to come off and
you have to put new troops there to keep to
keep the force going. And a lot of those officers
have been there for years and they were tired, okay,
and it was and they were letting things go by
that they when they first got there. They didn't let happen,
but they were just tired, and they were telling me
it was it was a failure of leadership in their mind.

(32:31):
I think in that moment you could describe having to
bring in fresh eyes and bring in Tom Homan, but
thanking that man for the work he's done up till
now is all you had to do. You did not
have to say eyes a little out there. I think
he might be good at it.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's Trump, though I know that's Trump. I don't understand
you upset because I think that's Trump. Here's what he's saying.
I think, okay, I'm all read between the lines and
what I think he's saying. Yes, there has been division
within DHS about the approach here between Nome and Holman. Yes,

(33:05):
and probably Bavino is on her side. Right, there's been
that they haven't gone after the worst of the worst,
that they've gone after others. And maybe that's the President
saying he's going too far in this direction. I'm going
to bring in Holman, who will go just after the
worst of the worst, and we'll see if we can
settle things down.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
That may be an interpretation, and I and I I
disagree because I look at I watched the ice X pages,
and I see the people that are apprehending, and I
see the people that are terrorists and from Iran and
other places of the world that they're apprehending in Minneapolis.
I think they are going after him. There is a
percentage of people that are not those criminals that are
being removed and deported. But they're in the same car

(33:45):
with these people, they're in the same company with and
they've broken the law, They've come here illegally, and they
are going to get removed.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But they even those they didn't commit a crime other
than being in the same in the sphere.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Of I don't even know how if you're if you're
in a law enforcement officer and you are going after
the most dangerous crimes, but you find someone in there
who's also in this country illegally, how you give him
a pass and go? You can move right along. Now.
If we're talking about just going after any rando that's
been here for twenty years, I get with that, the
difference between that and what Biden did to this country

(34:14):
in the last four years. But I think that they
have been I think they have been surgical in their
in what they're doing in their enforcement and trying to
apprehend the most dangerous and those around them. And if
you want to just reinforce the line, if you want
to bring in someone new, you don't have to say
that Levino was out there too much. You know, it's unnecessary.

(34:35):
A simple thank you would be nice, because I think
he's doing good work out there. I don't think I
see more cowardice in politics and people in positions, and
I see courage. And when I see courage, and when
I see him go on any Sunday morning talk show,
when he would answer any interview, when he would talk
about the work they're doing to enforce the law, that's
the last guy I think should be questioned about whether

(34:57):
he's too far out there or not.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
But are you calling Donald's public coward.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
No, I'm not calling coward. I'm saying that you.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Just said there are cowards out there. You're saying he
should have come out and said thank you, you've done
you know, we appreciate all the efforts that you have done.
We're going to move in a different direction instead of
just saying, well, he's kind of out there.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yes, absolutely, I think it should have been nothing but
positive and like, you've got a Congress full of cowards
that don't do anything. He's the only guy doing anything.
They're voting for their You got a minority of Republicans,
including Representative Malloy and Representative Blakemore, voting with all the
Democrats in Congress to over you know, overturning the majority
of Republicans in Congress to pass these little bills there.

(35:38):
I mean, that's not courage. That's not doing the right thing.
You get someone up there that's doing the right thing.
And and by the way, his job is a lot
more dangerous than the job that members of Congress have
that they can't seem to do. That's not the guy
I'm coming after, or that I'm expressing any as President
of the United States, any disappointment or questioning whether he's
too far out there. I do. I just think I

(35:58):
love President Trump, trust the man. I trust him as
our president. I'm just saying that, unlike what the left
says that we're all just you know, reading off the
same sheet music. I can be disappointed and something that
I'm hearing because I think that guy had the President's
back and was doing exactly what the president wants done,
and that is the mass deportation of these illegals that
came across during Biden's time and they need to go.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Do you agree with his removal? I don't consider assignment assignment.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I think that if he wants to bring in someone
new look, I'm skeptical that walls you can trust him as.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Far as you can't trust me.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm skeptical that this mayor fry. None of these guys
are authentic players. None of them are saying anything to
him on the phone in my mind that they're going
to say to the public or even be consistent with.
So I think you can bring new people in and
you can try some new chemistry amongst these leaders to
try and keep doing the work you need to do.
But I'm skeptical that that that's going to make a

(36:52):
big difference. I think what's going to make the difference
is you got to keep doing it. If they slow down,
if they pause, if they look, if it looks like
this violence and this fear that the left fomented worked,
we're getting more of them. Yeah, we're going to get
it into space.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
And you and I agree with you on that, all right.
I think Greg, this leads us to a broader question
because I was reading in the Washington Examiner today this
article from Byron York, who I really I like. I
agree with a lot he says, but he brought up
this issue when it comes to immigration. Do you think
Greg that America and Americans out there people in our

(37:28):
listening audience have the resolve to deport illegal border crossers.
They haven't committed a crime. They came at the end
of this country illegally. Maybe some of them have been
here twenty twenty five years. Do you support deporting them? Now?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think it's es I'm okay, and I'll tell you why, okay,
Why when you let ten million people or some number
between seven to ten million whatever, depending on who you're
listening to, over in four years, that is what's caused
this extra ordinary need to go into all states that
have become border states. When you say twenty years, we're
talking about a President Obama that deported over three million

(38:09):
or whatever the number was, the people that he returned
or removed. Kyle Bush and Clinton they all were very
aggressive that way because it was all around those border
states and counties. When Biden, with the help of these NGOs,
using taxpayer money, made every state, a border state. Now
you have an effort that we've never seen before as Americans,
because we've never seen what's happened to this country happen before.

(38:31):
And if America doesn't have appetite for the level of
work it's going to take to undo that. I'm not
talking to twenty years here, I'm talking the four years
of madness that we've lived through. And even if you
haven't committed a crime today, if you're coming from these
unvetted countries, from China, from Syria, from Iran, do I
care that you haven't committed a crime yet? And you're
from these enemies of the state, these countries. No, the

(38:54):
people that came over here in the four years that
Biden allowed them to and that they facilitated all across
this country, set up in apartments and gave them you know,
uber rides to schools and all that they did. That
is what this I think, that is what this effort
is all about, or should be all about.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And you're saying, those are the people we deport, But
how do you know? They came over during the rush.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
What they can do now is they have a detainers
and they have criminal records of who they're looking at
now and hopefully that that those are gang members and
those are there's a there's a ripple effect there. But
that's why I don't think you let go of the
people that are in their sphere who haven't maybe committed
a crime there. But if you're with them, and you
are here illegally with the people that have commered to crime,
everybody that's here illegally is going to have to go.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Interesting how America feels. There are a couple of new
polls out. Our good friend Harry Enton from CNN is
going to break down those numbers and then we'll get
to your calls on that if you have a thought
on that, Because the question is does America have a
resolve to deport illegal border crossers? You say, anybody who
came over in the last four or five years gone.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, Because I think they're the ones that are that
are embedded throughout this country because they got they got
busted there, and they got flown there, they got set
up by NGOs and the entire apartment complex. They're the
ones that are that are the out those are the
ones that are changing this country in a very very
negative way, very quickly. That's what you got to go after.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
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one oh five nine Cannes, all right, what we're talking about.
If you're just joining us, you know we talked prior

(40:33):
to the break about Greg Bovino vastly.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
You know, you don't think it's going to Harry. Thank
you for me in deep perspect.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
You you aren't. You aren't happy the way the President
kind of brushed it off a little bit dispar and
disparage me. And we we expanded that because the effort
on the part of the White House since Donald Trump
got back into the Oval offense was to go after
the worst of the worst when it comes to illegal analysts.
People who came to this country and committed a crime.

(41:00):
Are people who came to this country after committing a
crime in their own country? Right But it raises a
question right now, I think, and based on this article,
we read today by Byron York. Does America have the
result to deport illegal border crossers? Now, you know we're
talking about people who have not committed any additional crime
since entering the US. What do the poll say. We'll

(41:22):
show those numbers here in a minute. But let's go
to the calls and see what you have to say tonight.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Greg. Now let's go to Judy from Sunset. Judy, thank
you for calling the Roden Greg Show. And what do
you think about all of this?

Speaker 13 (41:33):
I am so mad, I really am them all. Clinton
deported everybody bad and good. Nobody said a word. These
people are insultrating. And I think our biggest example right
now is Minnesota. You've got over eighty thousands some Malis
there that had taken over that I've heard three big

(41:54):
cities some of them there that you can't go in
and I can't remember what they're called, but you can't
go in the city because of how dangerous they are. Well,
they should all be deported. Even though OMAR gave them citizenship,
it can be taken away because what they're doing is
fraud with Medicare, medicaid, welfare, whatever you want to call it.

(42:15):
And you're looking at Maine, Maine. It's the same as
a Minnesota, but they're not focusing on that yet.

Speaker 12 (42:22):
But there's all these other cities, like we already know
California too. Please don't cut me off yet, just when
you finish. And it's the point is the point is
we have to deport everybody. I don't care if they're
going after the worst of the worst, which they should,
but if there happens to be other people that they're

(42:43):
noticing in these you know, where they're going and trying
to find out where people are, if there are people
that have not done anything, absolutely, if you can deport
them based on the illegality of the fraud, illegality of
being on medicare, which you shouldn't be unless you're working,

(43:03):
and then you can get off of it. But they
say that some of those cities they have been on
our system for ten years and not wanting.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, they have been. Judy, it didn't mean to
cut you off. I think she made her a point, Greg.
You know she's said, hey, to pour all of them.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah. I honestly someone asked me, why don't you feel
sorry for them? I'll tell you the demographic. I feel
sorry for her children and who hadn't didn't have a
say of anything in their lives when they were born,
where they lived when they were born, and where they
live now. They were they were the you know, it
was whatever their parents wanted to do that they did.
I do have a sympathy for those kids. Outside of that,

(43:42):
we have people that respect our laws and would love
to live in this country, and they try as their
level best to follow our immigration laws to become citizens.
I've been to this naturalization ceremonies where they're there and
they're being sworn in, they've taken their Civics test, they're
holding their American flags. I feel sorry for every single
one of them who have tried so hard in it.
It's a tough process. I feel sorry for them. When

(44:03):
we cast a blind eye or say yeah, it's okay
if you came here illegally, it disrespects those who respect
our laws.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, let's listen to Harry Inton, because they went and
did some research on this. The number of major news
organizations in this country have done some surveys. Listen to
what Harry Enton found out.

Speaker 14 (44:19):
Yeah, Sometimes I like blunt questions because they sort of
get it the underlying feelings that people have. So this
is about as blunt of question as you can get
to port all immigrants here illegally. I will note the
ABC News poll ask about undocumented.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Immigrant so we have slightly different questions.

Speaker 14 (44:34):
But these were all taken within the last month, and
there's real uniformity here.

Speaker 7 (44:38):
That's what I really think you see.

Speaker 14 (44:39):
You see real uniformity all immigrants who are here illegally
fifty five percent of New York Times Marquette sixty four percent,
CBS News fifty seven percent, ABC News, with a slightly
different question fifty six percent. So what you're seeing essentially
here is very clear indication that a majority of Americans,
in fact, when they're asked this blun question, which I
believe gets at the underlying feelings, do in fact want

(45:01):
it to port all immigrants who are here illegally. There's
no arguing with these different numbers because they're all essentially
the same across four.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Different posters, and those four different posters, greg are what
you would consider part of the regime media. This is fine.
I mean, New York Times, Washington Post, CBS News, ABC News,
And that's the core issue that a lot of people
struggle with in America today. We want people who are
in this country illegally out of here. Yes, that's the feeling.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Not too crazy. I'm telling you this is this has
got to be it. My fear is just as the
Tesla takedown stopped, stopped Elon Muskin his tracks and Doge
in its tracks. I worry that the fear and violence
that the left is creating, it weakens the American resolve
to do the right thing here, that they would choose

(45:50):
security over freedom. And I am strengthened by and I'm
encouraged by those polls there from the regime media themselves,
who says that Americans want the law followed. That is
fundamental to the American experience here. We have to follow
the law. And I think that we're in a moment
where that what's going on in Minnesota cannot succeed in

(46:10):
terms of the opposition against what the president's trying to do.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Well, if Donald Trump is successful, we've got the censes
coming up in four years now, right, twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
They don't want them here for votes because they can't vote.
They want them here because the census counts them as
people and it protects those stronghold democratic districts in those
major cities, and Rod and they will fight to the teeth.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
It is the easiest thing to do to add those
congressional seats just by bodies alone, because the census seems
to count everyone, whether you're legal here, you're here legally
or not. However, when Virginia has a law they're passing
this year that doesn't allow any immigration law to take
to be enforced or looked at around polling places, Okay,
when you have blue states that will not enforce the

(46:55):
law that if you're here illegally you can't vote, I
do worry that it's it also includes those that would
be are not entitled to vote, canceling out our vote
and voting illegally.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
All Right, we've got some goals coming in on this
and comments on our talk back line. We'll take a
news update and come back with your calls and comments
right here on the Rotten Greg Show. The polls show
the American people want them deported. Let's find out what
people have to say.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, let's go to David in Clearfield. David, thank you
for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (47:24):
Yeah, Greg, Greg, thank you so much for taking my call.
Second time caller, so I have a kind of an
interesting perspective on this issue here.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
First of all, I'm.

Speaker 11 (47:33):
A twenty one year old disabled to VET that traveled
all over the world with the military and seeing how
people live in the world. It's nothing compared to what
America has. We are unbelievably blessed here and spoiled in
many ways. So I have a lot of mercy for
people that want to come to this country. However, I
married a Russian bride, went to Russia to spend three

(47:53):
months there and married her, brought her back to this country.
Took me a year and two months to get her here,
paid thousands and thousands of dollars to do the process right,
to do it legally. She comes here, she is in
a good citizen, She pays her taxes, works hard, does
everything right. The problem with GETS allowing people to come
into this country without paying the price and doing it

(48:14):
right is it's unfair and unjust to those that do
it right.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Number two, Amen, just.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Allowing the borders to come open.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Sorry, go ahead, I just said, amen. I couldn't agree
with you more. I don't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Keeping yes.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
And the thing about it is is that I have mercy.
I want people to come to this country and enjoy
what America has for it to give.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
But I want people to.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
Come here that love America, that want to make America great,
and have the policies that we hear support those not
bring their policies from their country, which is against what
we believe in this country here. And it has to
be done right. It has to be fair and just
to everybody. Make it so that.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
People can do it the right way.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
Then those people that come here will love this country
and we won't have the problems we're having in this country.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Amen to that assimilarly to what this country is all about.
And David said one thing that I think raises an issue, Greg,
why does it take a year or two years and
thousands of dollars to legally come into this country? I
would fix that.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Would you agree with the hundred percent? Because we have
to have a very We have to have a sane way,
and there has to be a number. By the way.
We just can't have it open forever, but there has
to be a number because you have impacts to employment
and all those things. But the ability to legally immigrate
into this country has to be sane. It has to
be timely, because if you don't, then you incentivize the

(49:34):
illegal entry. If it's impossible, if someone just it's just
too high of a hill, you've made it absolutely impossible
and not practical. It will the unintended consequence of that
is illegal immigration into this country. So there has to
be an enforced border, but a sane, practical way to
do it and have a number that through all analysis
is what you can handle by way of immigration on

(49:56):
an annual basis.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well, you talk to Tabby Abbey has dual citizenship. Yes, hey,
both with the UK and the US. It took her years.
It took her a lot of money to get that
second citizenship. That's an address that I that's an issue
that I think we need to address.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I have been. I've said this a number of times,
but I have been. I've spoken at the naturalization ceremonies
when I was speaker at the Capitol rotunda, and I
was so moved by the stories of the people I
met and what they did and how determined they were
and excited to be Americans.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Money.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
It's one of the most emotional experiences I've had at
that capital and I feel sorry for them. Yes, when
we talk in such callous terms about Oh, it's fine
if you broke the law. No, it's not. People work
very hard to try and have this opportunity to live
in this country.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Let's go to Alan salt Lake said, you see what
he has to say tonight on the rod In Greg Show. Hey, Al,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Pretty good?

Speaker 15 (50:42):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (50:42):
My opinion is is that all illegals, whether they've been
a bad individual or a good individual, I don't care
where they've been here for a couple of hours or
thirty forty years, they should be deported because they didn't
do it the right way. And you figure within forty years,
you would figure that they would figure out a way
to make sure that they were legal anyway. And that's

(51:03):
why the other thing that I don't really like about
the people taking the oath and things, you're allowed to
take it in Spanish and everything else. If the United
States we speak English, they should be speaking English as well, period.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
So yeah, I agree with you only I think English
should be the official language.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Of course, you deprive yourself of an American dream if
you're not able to speak English. Let's go to Eric,
who's been waiting and in Salt Lake City, Eric, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (51:36):
Hey, guys, I've met quite a few immigrants in my life,
legal immigrants, like a lot. I've worked in a lot
of different places, and I would argue that most of
the immigrants that come here legally do love America. They
do want to make America great, they want to participate
in the American dream. In my experience, it's the people

(51:57):
who come here illegally that want want to bring their
politics with them and bring their culture and not be
part of America, which is why they're willing to break
that law.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I agree with you, good point, Eric, So go ahead.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
So again, back to the people I've met that have
come here legally, they are patriots, they really are. And
I and I've seen it and I've experienced it firsthand.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I remember one of those ceremonies they did
at Stadium of Fire one year. I think Orn Hatch
swore them in and there must have been two three,
four hundred people, yep. And it was the highlight of
the Stadium of Fire other than the fireworks, yes, but
that was a highlight of that. And people who wanted
to come to this country are willing to go through
the process, even though I think it very antiquated, and

(52:43):
pay thousands of dollars, which I think we could take
a look at as well. They want to be a
part of American and I think that's important. Now you
have something to add. We're to take a break and
come back with more your thoughts and more your phone
calls right here on the Rodd and Gregg Show in
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine knrs. President is
Folks has done the worst of the worst. But what
about others who have come to this country illegally, have

(53:04):
not committed a crime? Should they go too? Get in
your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, and you want let's go to it. Let's go
to Glenn and Draper. That's a good town now, Draper, Glenn,
welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (53:17):
Thanks thanks for welcoming. He So, I haven't heard this
talk about a whole lot. I just got in my
vehicle and I've been driving home.

Speaker 15 (53:23):
So last night my dad.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
Who's in his nineties, fell and cut his arm open. Unfortunately,
I had to run into emergency. I got there about
eight o'clock. And good, honest tax payers here in America
in Utah, you go to an emergency room and ninety
percent of the people there are there because they don't

(53:45):
have a primary care physician. They're an illegal. They go
there and they have a Medicaid card and they get
free health care and you wait. We waited three and
a half hours for him to get thirty stitches in
his arm, and he was leaving profusely. But you know,
people just shake their head and go, no, that's okay,

(54:06):
Well he was. He's a ten year vet as far
as Air Force, he's a veteran who I feel like
they're taking advantage of, you know, just elders in general.
But and there's there's people that are paying tons for drugs.
They're living on Social Security, they've paid their taxes, they've
done everything right, and these people come over here, they

(54:27):
cross the border illegally and everything just gets paid for them.
And it's just it's all about handouts. And it just
strikes me crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
And I think that that's what drives the American people crazy. Healthcare,
impact on education, impact on other.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Jobs, you name it, and it's that selective. You know,
this this theatrics and this emotional heartstreams that are only
pulled towards those that will advance their political agenda when
you have real stories of that are that are concerned
that we should care about. Let's go to Andrew and Draper. Andrew,
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (55:05):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I one think they
should be deported. And a lot of people say.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Oh, but they're here to make a better life. They're
not doing anything wrong, you know whatever.

Speaker 16 (55:16):
And like a previous caller, they came here illegally. They're
here illegally, they're not legal here, so they are doing
something wrong and it just completely is unfair and unjust
to the people who have done it the right way.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, you don't agree more. I agree?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
You know, Greg, the people who've been here for quite
a few years are here, wouldn't you think in the
back of their mind they're thinking we're going to get
caught sooner.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Path happened in the past, there was there was a
complete they were able to fly on planes that airlines,
there was no there was no enforced them of the law.
It was being completely ignored.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Okay, let's go, we're coming up to a break. We
gotta go quick. Let's go to Paul and north Ogden. Paul,
thank you, for calling the Rod and Greg show, what
do you have to say about this?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
There's a hot sun.

Speaker 17 (56:00):
It cost me over twenty thousand dollars to get this
lady here. We've courted for a year. I had to
go over there and meet her face to face in
order to qualify for the immigration rules. Then it took
it almost a year after that to get her here.
And it's just outrageous that what we have to jump to.

(56:21):
I told her she had to go learn to speak
Spanish and I could bring her across the border.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
You know, under that ball, John, Thank you Paul for
the perspective. But you know, Rod, we've spoken about that.
It is that that you can't make it so hard
or you will create the incentive to come here illegally.
So you can't. It'll have a perverse incentive to break
the law if there's not a raising reasonable way to
follow the law.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Here's one of our listeners leaving a comment on our
talk back line, Rod, Greg, I think it's like working
very hard for something you've achieved and then you appreciate it,
but when you get something for free or very easily,
you don't care about it interesting coming here. He's exactly right.
You work for something you appreciated a lot more.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, and I appreciate the calls, and I trust the
collective will, the collective eye of this listening audience. You're smart,
you get it. And as I have no doubt they would.
Let me just say this about I'm going back to Bovino.
I got what thirty seconds, one minute. The biggest problem
I would argue in Trump's first term are the people

(57:24):
that he put inside that White House with him.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Okay, I think people would agree.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Chief of staff after chief of staff seemed to want
to talk to the media more than him. He had
people around him that he couldn't trust, and we saw
what happened, you know, talking about removing him from office
or whatever they were doing. He did not have. You
look at the team. Susie Wilds is the chief of staff,
this dream team of a cabinet he has of all
the people for him to question and say, oh, he's

(57:49):
a little bit out there. The one thing the man
did not have in the first term. We're loyal people
that would do the work the president asked him to do.
Greg Bovino did that work. He did it loyally, he
did it faithfully, did it for the right reasons to
say anything but thank you to him, I think is
out of step. And I think for our frustration of
not seeing good loyal people around the president in his

(58:11):
first term, that really slowed down that administration. Compared to
what we're seeing today, we should be especially sensitive to
those that are loyal to what the president wanted to
see you accomplished. He worked very hard in that capacity,
and there should be nothing but I think thanks to
Greg Vina for what he's done.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You really ticked off that.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Well, Yeah, I just think it like, did you see
your first term There wasn't anyone around that. You had
a rats, a bunch of rats around you, and now
you've got royal soldiers and then you're gonna complain. Don't
complain about them anyway, all the president, but don't like
the harsh tone towards Greg Vina.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
It was in a price, all right. When we come
back more, we'll talk about what's going on up on
the hill today. Very controversial topic explored. We'll tell you
what it's all about. Coming up next on the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Fireworks. Maybe a bit of a bit of a crowded
hearing today at the State Capitol, A lot of emotion.
I heard that the chair had turned the mic off
at one point or a one of the people pub
members of the public speaking usually got to keep it decorum,
got to keep it calm and look like things were
starting to get a little too edgy. And anyway, that

(59:19):
all happened, and then we saw the votes come and go,
and we're talking about the transgender issue and what the
state legislature in this session is doing about it or
what bills they're considering related to us.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, and it's all about sex change interventions for kids
here in Utah. And joining us on our any hour
news Maker line to talk more about this is doctor
Kurt Masselli. He has chief medical officer for an organization
called Do No Harm. Doctor Miscelli, thank you for joining
us on the Rodden Greg Show. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 15 (59:50):
Thank you for having me pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
My guest is, my sense is you were at that
hearing today. What's your take on it? How did things go?
In your opinion?

Speaker 15 (01:00:00):
I think things went really well. You know the bill
there that Representativeship had put forward, a bill one point
seventy four really aims to make permanent the moratorium on
these gender procedures for kids, and I think it's really
about keeping kids safe and making sure that we're doing
the right things to protect this vulnerable population. And so

(01:00:20):
I think on many accounts UTAIS has really shown that
it is putting children first by making sure that pediatric
medical transition puberty blockers, hormones and such aren't given to
children for these treatments.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Doctor, you know, we're seeing this now play out over
a number of years, and thank you for your involvement
and speaking out, and because there was a time where
you weren't allowed to or if you did, they would
try to censor you and everything else. What do we
say about there as we see this play out. I'm
sure there has to be some young miners who were
convinced for thought some reason to go through this kind

(01:00:57):
of transitioning who don't want to continue to go through it,
would like to try to reverse it if possible. What
do you say about that? Is it possible to reverse?
Is there a d transitioning that can happen, and is
there a process set up or a medical process set
up for anyone that was that went down that path
and would like to maybe go back.

Speaker 15 (01:01:19):
You know, it really is so important for us to
understand what D transitioners are going through and to understand
how we can really help and support them. And there
was actually another bill in the legislature today just in
that same committee to really make sure that if an
insurance company is covering such transition procedures, that it also
needs to cover de transition procedures and care. And the
fact of the matter is that unfortunately, D transitioners have

(01:01:41):
really been invisible to the medical system. And unfortunately, even
if you look at the codes that we have, the
diagnosis code, there's nothing for someone who's de transitioned, and
they're literally seventy thousand codes in the ICD that doctors
use each and every day to provide diagnoses for folks.
So I think it's so important to recognize that there
are ways to transition, and they are even more importantly

(01:02:04):
that there are ways to de transition, excuse me, and
that it's critical that we support individuals who do seek
to de transition, whether that is through making sure they
have insurance coverage, or whether that is through physicians who
can provide such care for these individuals. And there have
been physicians that have been taking up that cause and
been rallying around it and aiming to put together the
guidelines and such to help produce safe medical de transition

(01:02:28):
for individuals.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I saw the story in one of the local media
outlets disappointing. Prior to this hearing about apparently the legislature
commission to hear it or a study to look at this.
The study came back and said, actually, this transitioning does
help kids, these drugs, whatever they go through these procedures.
How do you respond to that, because you know, I

(01:02:52):
think it does hurt kids in my opinion, but I
have no medical knowledge of that. But there are going
to be people with side studies say, in fact, these
do help kids.

Speaker 15 (01:03:01):
Well, you know, originally when the law was passed back
in twenty twenty three SB sixteen, it did state, in
addition to the moratorium, that the Utah DAHHS had to
issue this report about gender hormones and such in kids.
And you're right, they did come to the conclusion that
the evidence support of those hormonal treatments. But the reality
is that if you look at that DHHS report, it's

(01:03:23):
terribly flawed and in fact, its conclusions are really unreliable.
For one, it takes clinical practice guidelines that are issued
by activist organizations like the World Professional Association for Transgender Health,
and it takes them at gospel. It doesn't even critically
review them. It has no risk of bias assessment whatsoever.
It also ignores some key systematic reviews that have underpinned

(01:03:44):
the of reviews that we saw in the United Kingdom
with the CAST review. Those systematic reviews aren't even part
of the UTAH DHHS report. And it also doesn't focus
on some of the serious consequences that these hormones and
such cause, including infertility and dysfunction. That's again totally ignored
by the UTAH DAHHS report. There's so many different methodological

(01:04:07):
challenges with that report that it is just completely unreliable
and really, I think to the credit of the committee
in terms of really dismissing that report. The reality is
that we should be looking at the us HHS report
that was done and that was issued in November. It's
an umbrella review which takes all of the different reviews
that are out there. It organizes the evidence, it comes

(01:04:28):
to a synthesis, it assesses it more broadly, and it's
actually been subject to peer review. So the us AHHS
report actually invited the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy
of Pediatrics, the Endergrin Society to critique it, and it
was only the American Psychiatric Association that chose to do that.
And so I think one of the things that we

(01:04:48):
recognize is that the USAHHES report has subjected itself to
peer review and it's withstood that challenge, whereas this DHHS
report from Utah unfortunately felt terribly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Doctor couple of years ago, now represented Congressman Mike Kennedy
was a state senator. Mike Kennedy, a family physician, worked
very hard on a bill that would that would ban
the procedure or suspend the procedure here in Utah. But
there was a lot of wordsmithing in that. There was
a concern at that time, a couple of years ago,
that the that that the bills may not hold up
in court, that the definitions that were given. So he

(01:05:20):
spent a lot a lot of time on those definitions.
Our law was never challenged in court. But I look
at a representative ship's bill here and there's no there's
not a lot. It's just it's just saying very plainly
in playing language, this is not allowed in our state.
Where have we come to a place now with with
judicial rulings where we can be just more succinct and

(01:05:42):
and and less worried about a court overturning a bill
like this. Now, what's changed from a few years ago
till now?

Speaker 15 (01:05:51):
No, Dad, I think the Screamty decision has had an
enormous impact, and that was related to the Tennessee law
that effectively had a ban on these dangerous procedures, and
that going all the way to the Supreme Court and
really finding in that six' to three decision that states
can in fact be able to regulate, this and because
the reality is that when you look at the, evidence

(01:06:12):
it is a very low. Benefit there's in, fact if
you look at the psycho, social psychological, outcomes if you
look at the alleged, benefits they're just not. There and
the risks are significant in terms of what pubertied blockers
can do in terms of their own mineral density, loss
in terms of, infertility in terms of cardiobascu with their
side effects from the cross sex. Hormones the risks are

(01:06:33):
very very, real AND i think the supremitting decision was
very wise to understand that the legislature would have an
interest in making sure that these procedures should not be
administered to. Kids and SO i think, certainly as you,
say with this bill brought before the committee, today very
simply just make sure that this ban is permanent and

(01:06:55):
does a great job as that Doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Misceli why is that there are some countries In europe
seem to get, this but The United states has not
realized it. YET i, mean you, know you Have european
countries who allowed for these procedures for a couple of.
Years studies have come back and they, said, well we
are not doing this anymore to our. Children but here
in The United states it. Continues why don't we get.

Speaker 15 (01:07:15):
It it's a great, question especially when you look at those,
countries when you look At sweden Or, finland and these
are traditionally more what is seen as progressive nations Within europe,
itself and they have elected to actually look at the.
Evidence AND i think that's one of the key differences
is that they've actually allowed the evidence to guide them
in terms of doing the systematic, reviews in terms of

(01:07:38):
doing the analysis and actually seeing what the data, shows
and that the data shows that there really is very
low evidence of any, benefit and, again those harms are,
significant AND i think that if we were to do
the same here in this country would come to the
same conclusion and we have when we look at the
us AT hs. Report but the reality is, that, unfortunately
many of the medical associations within The United states have

(01:08:00):
been ideologically, captured AND i think unfortunately it's an important
wake up call for those medical organizations to return to
the roots of actually looking at the, evidence of actually
making sure that we're doing the right thing for the,
patient especially when the patient is a vulnerable, child and
we have to understand these are confused kids that are
going through terrible difficulties and we've got to do our

(01:08:21):
best to help. Them and, unfortunately what we've done is
we've placed them on this train TO puba, blockers hormones and,
surgeries and that is not the right way to. Go
what we see from The europeans is a recognition that
these kids need psychosocial, supports they need psychotherapeutic. Interventions we
need to make sure we're treating any underlying mental illness
that might be, there as in, depression, anxiety whatever those

(01:08:42):
conditions might, be and we need to provide those, treatments
those interventions as opposed to again subjecting kids to a
medicalization that just leads to a lifelong consequence of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Harms Doctor. Miceli one more, question would you characterize this,
bill which was before hearing, today a strong solid Bill
state Of utah and his efforts to do something about?

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
This?

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
Absolutely, Absolutely, Again utah had made tremendous drides and initially
passing the bill some years, ago AND i think this
really makes it very clear that the the more trim
would then be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Permanent, well thank, you Doctor, Miceli good luck to, you safe,
travels and thank you for joining.

Speaker 15 (01:09:18):
Us appreciate thanks for having.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Me you all right on our Nudes maker line or
any Hour nuwsmaker. Line Doctor Curtin, maseli chief medical officer
Of Do Not, Harm Do No, harm talking about a
bill dealing with this situation up On Utah's Capitol hill.
Today more coming up on The rod And Greg show
In Utah's Talk radio one oh five. Nine. Cannariest do
you KNOW i like to do a chocolate, cake pray.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
TELL i like to take a nice piece and put
it in a, bowl and THEN i take milk AND
i pour it, over and then the milk just absorbs
into the chocolate cake with chocolate, icing and THEN i
eat it with a. Spoon that sounds, sick it's so.
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a chocolate. Icing that's very. Good if you haven't tried, it,

(01:10:02):
folks try. Diet, no, no that's. It that's diety rates
inside that right. There that man is just trying to
he's trying to keep away from all food that's not
good for. You but if he, was if he, was
if he was happy eat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
HER i want to make sure you understand. This you
take a nice piece of chocolate, cake, yes put it
in a bowl, bowl pour milk over, it, yes and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Let it and then let that cake just absorb all
that milk and then you just eat. It it tastes so.
Good it's so. GOOD i like better than ice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Cream my, wife we got this rescat from friends In.
Seattle has kind of like a bunt chocolate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Cake that's good with the. Milk bunt cakes are the
best for. Them with with with with rich choco chocolate
chips in. It you, know there's enough, chocolate, chocolate more,
chocolate and then put the milk over. It then it's it's,
heaven you have. It the weird food concuctions that we
should know. About, olks if you not tried, that try,
it and you'll thank. Me you'll you'll actually, say you

(01:11:05):
know what this this, Is this is measurably improve my
quality of. Life this is a, little this little hack right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Here we have some chefs out there who make delicious
chocolate cake who are freaking out right now with what
you do to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
You if they make a moist, cake it is perfect
to pour milk on because it absorbs it so. Well
if it's not a good and, warm absorb it so.
Well so you need a good chocolate, cake fluffy and
absorb it up so, good so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Good just ruin my thought of going on to have
a piece of chocolate cake too rich otherwise what it's.
Not that's the way it should.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
BE i like. It but if you're not going to
put the milk on, it then you got to at
least put vanilla. Ice you have a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Glass of milk with you to drink when you eat the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Cake oh so you'll eat the cake and then drink
the milk at the same.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Time, yeah well take a. Bite, yeah there you. Go
you just skip to step because it's not sitting there
soaking in that. Milk.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yeah but you know when you drink the milk after,
cereal how that milk tastes. Different, yeah that's the. Milk,
yeah that's like the milk gets like. Chocolate. E it's
again like chocolate milk with your with your with your chocolate.
Cake it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Good do you have other weird food?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
CONCOCTIONS i don't have a single weird food, concoction SO
i don't know what you're talking. About well, THAT i,
MEAN i got dog biscuits, milk but.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Dog, yeah please don't bring that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Up so there's that. One, yeah that ONE i will
admit is maybe a you, know a quiet weird taste
of my own THAT i as a. Kid it acquired that.
TASTE i DON'T i don't expect anyone else to like.
That but the chocolate cake with the milk over, it,
man that is. Good everyone should try, that if you haven't,
Already i'm sure many. HAVE i would imagine very few. Have,
no that's a that's a way to ruin. Cake it's very, Good,

(01:12:41):
NO i think SO i.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Am you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Know, okay quick note a little bit of information here
other than your weird eating. Habits. Uh THE us population
grew last year at one of the slowest rates in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
History, Yeah i'm worried about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
That that's according to numbers released from The Census. Bureau
the immigration numbers plunged by more than fifty section from
the previous year under the aggressive anti immigration POT i.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Don't mind that. DECREASING i mind the. Depopulation so like
WHEN i see thirty two thousand less kids in our public, schools,
YEAH i worry about. That i'm the replacement. Side we
got to have more kids than we're you, know than
we have, here so our population. Grows it's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
THING a sharp drop in the birth rate also contributed
to the. Slowdown that's what you do not want to.
Hear the birth rate has been falling since the recession
of two thousand and, eight and new births outpaced death
by only about five hundred and eighteen thousand in that.
Period that is the higher that is higher than during
the peak of THE covid, pandemic according to the, story

(01:13:40):
when deaths were soaring but still extremely low by historical.
Means so the president's immigration enforcement policies having an impact on.
That but we aren't having against many.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
BABIES i think As, america as we Make america great,
AGAIN i think we're going to become a more virile
and populous. POPULATION i think we're going to see large
families coming. Back you just got to be able to
take care of, them you, know you got to be
able to have, it make a, living and do it
like it used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Done don't want to do that. Again, yeah you know
why people are panicking over this stuff that's going on In.
Minnesota those on the left losing, people deporting. People. RIGHT
i saw this story, today the electoral college. Baseline right,
Now greg Favors republicans centsence math is shifting evs to red,
states And democrats are losing voter registration and they's moving

(01:14:27):
to the red, states.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
And their policies are so radical and so they're just
not common. Sense people that have common sense are now
starting to gravitate to The Republican party because The democrats
have left. Him if you knew anyone that was A
democrat growing up as a, kid they would not if
they were around, today they would not recognize The Democrat
party of this. Day it's certainly not the party they
felt they were a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
MEMBER i told you my father was A. Democrat he
wouldn't be a part of that. Party. ABSOLUTELY i don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
No the family MEMBERS i had that were in labor
unions and everything else that Were, democrats they would have
nothing to do with this current.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Party was he was A Truman Kennedy. Democrat kennedy could
not survive in The democratic.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
J k could.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Not he was tough on, defense cut capital gains. Tax
he was a, yeah he. Was he was a hawk on.
Defense he was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Good all. Right remember what just about a year ago
the excitement When Donald trump became president for the second
time and he talked about doze With Elon. Musk, well
has that whole excitement moved to The. States we'll talk
about that when The rodd And Greg show continues right
here On Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine k
N R. S jesse's always, fun he.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Is he's great to listen, to very, popular just a
great show and uh as good as this. One but you,
know it's it's it's it's kind of, close you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Know and we got to Know jesse what a couple
of years ago when we were back at THE rnc
and his, setup which was a lot fancier than ours.
Was it was just good to good to get to Know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Jo you know what his setup. Was he he broadcasts
we were, on we were a talk show wrote during
The Republican National. Convention but he was where you, Know
Clay travis Buck sexton were and then he was. There
he was part of. That but, FOLKS i want you to,
know most of What iHeart sends to The National convention
are the syndicated. Shows they only pick a couple local.
Shows there's only maybe three watch there were. Five we

(01:16:15):
were one of. Those because of. You we are that we.
Are we are one of the greatest shows that have
ever been broadcast On iHeart In iHeart media ever just
in their. History so that's, Why so thank, you thank.
You that's just how a PURPLE i. KNOW i didn't

(01:16:36):
see a lot of other. Locals we. Were we. Were
we were in the elite talk show row place right
there in the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Convention well it was just about a year. Ago President
trump in office for a second, time immediately brought On,
elon musky guy with a great business sense about, him
and he Told elon must find waits for aud an
abuse and let's get rid of. It and that's what
he attempted to do he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Did it's actually what weighs on my. Mind, ACTUALLY i
love this interview BECAUSE i want to See doge on
the state. LEVEL i want to see us do this
kind of. Work we have physical auditors and, things but
this is an exciting, movement but we don't want it
to have the fate That Elon Muskin doge had In
congress where or in the administration where The tesla takedown,

(01:17:19):
succeeded and quieting that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Effort well on our any our newsmaker line to talk
about all of this Is Steve malanga is a senior
editor at The City journal with The Manhattan. Institute, steve
great to have you back on the. Show we've talked
About doze and what was attempted at the federal, level
but a number of states have picked up on. It
what's going on on the state.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Level, well on the state, level especially In republican run,
states they are actually adopting and Entertaining, Doge and of
course they're tailoring it to their own specific circumstances in those.
States but what they're doing is they're taking the model
taking you're extending the assumption that there's a lot of

(01:18:01):
waste and there's a lot of just bam management and
government and they're trying to find. You and actually a
lot of these some of these programs got off the
ground their places Like texas And florida And oklahoma pretty,
quickly quickly rather and they're finding stuff, like you, know
sending checks out to dead, people still sending them, out you,

(01:18:23):
know giving benefits to people who haven't been, verified and
that kind of. Stuff so it's been going on now
actually since the. Spring. Uh and you know that's something
that of, course you, know the federal government can't, control you,
know but the states can do a lot to to
control their own waste and. Fraud and by the, way

(01:18:46):
one of the things THAT i point out in this
piece is that if you look what happens in the
way the state's wasted money and where the subject of
scam and fraud DURING. Covid and there've been a lot
of reports From washington expected general reports about how much
money the state's, lass including places In Lake, california which

(01:19:08):
was targeted by international. Marriage they took money for unemployment.
Fraud In New, York, Michigan, kentucky there's a you, know
we're talking about, that we're talking about the federal flud
that there's other clubs going out of these, states and
obviously what's going out In minnesota illustrates.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
That, steve let me ask you a. Question i'm a
recovering public. SERVANT i was served in our state legislature
for sixteen. Years so WHAT i know about states is
they don't print money like The feds. Do sources and
uses are just inherently a little more scrutinized just because
they can't print, money so they've got to know where it's.
At but to your, point there is, waste and there's
Great republican states that are really looking at dealing with.

(01:19:50):
It is it easier for a state because they don't print,
money they have to you, know they get money in
they have to balance that budget every, year whether they're,
blue were. Read is it easier to identify the, fraud
waste and abuse and This doge model in a state
versus the federal government by, process not by.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Size, well here's WHAT i would. Say first of, all of,
course by science, obviously. Right WHAT i would, say, well
those states can't print, money they tend tax and they
can raise. That one of the points THAT i make
in this piece is that you see now that you
have a lot of states where one party or another is.

(01:20:28):
Dominant what you saw even during covid, as this waste
was going on The democratic states raising taxes to keep
expanding the, budgets while the pattern in The republican states
was cutting. Taxes so one of the POINTS i make
in this particular piece is that what The republican governors

(01:20:48):
are saying is if we're going to keep cutting, taxes
if we're going to, restate restrain the growth of, government
we have to do. THIS i do point out that
there aren't a lot Of democratic states doing, this and
we know, again you know there are two Inspected general
Of courts to warn About, california in which A california

(01:21:09):
state official did this. Investigation the numbers are staggering in
terms of what the state lost and wasted during posing
and what If california is doing as they, do as
they waste this, money they lose this. Money there is
raising taxes now they're talking, about of, course this infamous
wealth tax out. There so the thing is that there

(01:21:30):
is a real. DISTINCTION a lot of, this you, know
let's cut out the, waste let's cut out the, fraud
is really happening In republican. States it's harder and harder
to find democratic states they're doing, this but some of,
them Like, pennsylvania they're at least trying to restrain if, you,
oh the waste in the.

Speaker 9 (01:21:48):
Fraud, yeah But.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Steven should we be surprised at? That you would assume
that states run by The republicans would take a look
at the expenses those wan to by The. Democrats they
don't want to look at the expenses of, fraud like you,
Said they just want to raise taxes yet again to
cover their. FEELINGS i, mean we shouldn't be surprised by,
that should?

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
We, well, theoretically, right even if you believed in bigger,
government even if you believe that government should have more
money to do, things you should you should want to
spend that money well so that it actually accomplishes, something,
RIGHT i mean, Theoretically BUT i think what we AND

(01:22:28):
i point this out of the, piece we are now
in a phase where's so much of The Democratic party
is backed by post unions and uh organizations like like you,
know nonprofits that benefit from bigger, government and so they're

(01:22:50):
less interested in spending the money well because it's really
become in a lot of democratic. States increasingly it's the
economy in those, states until of course you still A
courson run out of tax dollars in the. Economy so
once upon a, time you, Know democrats would be you,

(01:23:10):
know appalled by by fraud, too because fraud suggests inefficient,
government which isn't doing the job well Right and at
some point do you think people will rise up and,
say we're going to vote against. This but but The
democratic coalition has become i think so tied into publicly
funded organizations and supported by groups by public employing unions

(01:23:36):
that they they are less interested certain in in eliminating
waste in fraud because it's become government has become a
job machine you.

Speaker 10 (01:23:45):
Wanted, Places, yes it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Has Steve mulonga on our any our uh newsmaker line
talking about doze going to the state. Level what Is
utah doing when it comes to cut? It do we
have A doze committee or anything like? That greg you
would know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
That Don't we have an office legislative auditors and we
can send them in if we hear from constituents or
we hear of suspected. Fraud Uh we there the audit
committees made up of leadership in The house and The,
senate Both republican And. Democrat and as a, committee we
we we put audits together and we have uh state

(01:24:19):
AGENCIES uh there, departments agencies and other taxpayer funded state
taxpayer funded end these that are really audited performance audits called.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
AND Uh and is that done on an annual basis
or just.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
A yeah auth the year there's there are there are
every single. Month there an interim there are and there's
an audit committee that has gone that's going over exhaust
of audits and they are thorough audits. TOO I I
i've i've always had great confidence in in our. Auditors
when we you get a lot of requests from higher
education or other. Things you want to know how the
money that you've already, spent where you've alread, appropriated how's

(01:24:53):
it's been, spent get some information. Back those auditors have
really given the legislature a lot better grasp of how
the money is either spent and water gets into the
row or it. Doesn't and most of those agencies that
come there's always things that didn't go, right and so
a lot of times like the person that was ahead
of it's not there. Anymore by the time the auto comes,

(01:25:14):
there they're. Gone but there's always this genuine thank you
for this. Process we've learned so. Much and then there's.
Changes there's always in there's always changes to the process
once those audits, happen because you can always government doesn't
do anything. Perfect there's always room to, improve and so they.
DO i think they do a good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Job speaking of. Autos AND i want to throw this
question at you BECAUSE i know you're up on the.
Hill you have a sense of this with the fact
that we as something we reported a week or two
ago that In utah schools there are thirty two thousand
less students this, year, right it is the education department
budget going to be impacted by that at?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
All they've asked then they're gonna they're gonna ask for an.
Increase they're gonna get the still get increasing. Budget, wow
and let me tell you. Something you you take last
year's money that you spent and you have thirty two
thousand less students to spend it. On you just gave
everybody you per, student you've just had a raise so
you could spend exactly the, same and you've just increased education.
Funding my bet is they asked the state board to

(01:26:09):
school board to come with some, cuts and they weren't
very deep, surgical or they weren't VERY i don't. Know
they JUST i. DON'T i. Don't it didn't look like
like WHAT i just, mentioned where there's a when you
have less, students there's some money there that you could
say cut or increase that wasn't in. There BUT i
THINK i don't know that their suggested cuts are going to.
HAPPEN i think what you'll see is as an overall

(01:26:30):
increase in funding of. Education interesting my.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Prediction final segment coming up With roder And gregg And
Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine can ter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
S they're marketing a robotic. Snowblower sign me, up but
we don't. Know we don't need snowblowers. ANYMORE i think
we're done with winters. Here i'm. HAPPY i think it's. Great,
WELL i SEE i look up in the, SKY i
see snow in the. Mountains we're, Fine not MUCH i
can see. It so it's enough THAT i can see

(01:26:59):
from way over, Here so that's. Good not. ENOUGH i
want fifty. DEGREES i want to be able to play.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Golf, sure we talked about this a year. Ago remember
the wildfires In, Palisades. California back In, january we said
good luck in getting your home. Rebuilt. Yep well they
have had such a. STRUGGLE i mean, basically you, know
folks In Los, Angeles california are kind of twiddling their
thumbs waiting for something to be. Done Donald trump stepping.

(01:27:26):
In he signed an executive order today for The feds
to take Over LA's nightmare wildfire. Rebuild The feds are
coming in and NOW i don't don't know what they can. Do,
greg maybe with permitting they can speed that process, up
but he, says, no we're going to help these.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
People.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
PEOPLE i would like you to take the toilet water
that's going into the ocean and In coronado And South
San diego and just take, that clean that. Up they
don't even like you In Los. Angeles don't spend your
political capital, there BUT i love, you and a lot
of people Of Coronado island would love. You if you
just stop making if The Pacific ocean would stop being
a toilet because Of, tijuana that would just be a

(01:28:06):
better use of time and political.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Capital, well there was some survey out today or a
study out today taking a look at the cleanest and
dirtiest beaches In. California number one Was Santa. Monica can't
be worse than number two. WAS i know because they
got fluorescent yellow signs saying do not go into. Water
it can't get worse than. THAT i don't, know it gets.
Worse it's, terrible AND i just can't believe it's still an. Issue,

(01:28:32):
well BUT i THOUGHT i Thought Leeds eldon would go on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Now he teased.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
ME i like it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
First as soon as they got, elected they were all over.
IT i thought this thing would be fixed by. Now
they keep saying they're gonna do, It BUT i keep
seeing those signs saying don't get in the water until
you get the fourth Of. July then they go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Away imagine telling me about a crazy adventure you and
your son are doing this. Weekend, yeah this is this
is gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Exciting there is if you're a fight, fan there is
an incredible fight Of Madison Square garden this. Weekend YES
u And Tia Fima lopez Versus Shaker. Stevenson and if
you're if you're a fight, fan these are two best
lightweights in the. World were it's A it's a. Whirlwind
we love late at Night, friday.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Get off the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Show, Friday get off the Show friday.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Midnight you take a red eye To New.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
York that's, right we land in the. Morning we get
to our hotel. Room that that, Morning i'm gonna get
an early check. In it's across the street from The
Mason Square. Garden maybe GET i don't know what we'll,
do SHUT i or. Something my son serves mission in that,
city so he thinks he knows his way. Around but
then were your other, fights and then we have to
be at FOUR. A so Fights saturday, night four am
AT Jfk sunday. Morning back Here, friday bushy, tail get Here,

(01:29:38):
sunday be back to the Show. Monday it's a. Whirlwind
it's a it's a you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Won't even me In New York city for twenty four.
HOURS i.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Don't, yeah it's gonna. Be it'll be a little more
than twenty four, hours but it's it's. One it's not
even one, night because by the time you get To saturday,
night we have to be at the airport at four.
Am you, KNOW i don't even Think i'm getting my
money's worth of that one that one day stay hotel, round,
knockout there's an undercard. Too it will fight, fans so
it'll be. Okay AND i don't think this Will these

(01:30:06):
guys are lightweights or one hundred and forty. POUNDS i
don't think they can knock each other. Out they're gonna
go for a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
While that would be. HILARIOUS i can first round knocks,
out all right for us, tonight head, up shoulders. Back
May god bless you and your family and this, great
great country of. Ours we'll talk to you tomorrow at
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