The Rod and Greg Show: Utah GOP Chair Rob Axson on Failure of Redistricting Initiative

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Too many.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Darn you know. I don't think you've been doing this
long enough that you don't you know, you're just not
ready to go. I got a rookie with me in here. Yeah,
can you believe that? Just kidding, folks. I know who
the wing man is. I know my job. It was
to navigate you to the button. That's it. That's what
I had to do.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
We're off here. Good start. You want to argue all
day today? Three hours of arguing today, I'm not I
was helping. I thought that was a helpful thing. It
was because it was destructing. I hate hearing you had
the attention span of a gnat to begin with.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Squirrels.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Squirrel By the way, Donald Trump was just on the
five on five. He spent a whole hour with a
crew on the five right, which is where. But the
funniest thing came up when when he he was asked,
I'm not sure who asked the question, but the president
was asked, mister President, would you come to the studio

(00:52):
next time he was on the phone and be on
the set with us and sit next to Jessica Tarlov.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I find her entertaining. I know what she says is
so crazy. And they really jump on her, they really
get mad at her. But I think she takes it well.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I think I actually think it's funny how they I
just like her on that show.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's amusing to me. I know it's annoying to a
lot of people, but I think she's funny. And what
did he say?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, the Dylan responded, he said, I'm not a fan
to begin with. I'm not a fan. She uses, he said,
fake numbers, but she could be a very nice person.
She wasn't there today, and he asked the crew of
the fight, did she not want to come in or
did you kick her off the set knowing I was
going to be on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, that was the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Drum's just having so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Harold Ford was he there?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, he wasn't there. It was a conservative group on
the oka. I wish tar Loov would have been there.
That would have been an interesting exchange between her because
she is such a big democratic talking point.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It is and I think that's probably why I enjoy
her on the show is it's almost it is comedic
what she says and how she's do it. And then
you know, Greg got Oh, they just kill her after
and I think she I do think she takes it well. Yeah,
it's funny to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, we have got a lot to get to today.
Former Congressman now Fox News contributor Jason Schaefitz. Yes, he's
a busy guy. He's found some time he'll spend it
with us. Coming up, Steve Moore, Chief Economists, will join us.
He's got some interesting takes on what's going on with
the economy. Big news of the day here in Utah.
Apparently the group that's been trying to keep prop for
that whole initiative off the ballot in November has had success.

(02:32):
It will not be on the ballot, but things could
be changing.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, so we today it was announced that that they
were successfully able to get enough people who had signed
to withdraw their name and ask for their name to
be withdrawn that it put them under the number the
required threshold of require signatures for the Senate district right
and the one they were targeting. I think he had

(02:56):
a couple, but they were really targeting District fifteen, which
they thought had the lowest margin of where it had
overcome the bank the threshold that they could get a
number greater than that to get it below and then
once you don't have you know what twenties at twenty
six out of twenty nine counties, then it no longer
qualifies for ballot. And so it was announced today that
they had been successful in that endeavor of pulling off

(03:18):
enough ballots to get that done. Therefore, this issue will
not see will not be considered by voters in November.
Late today there was there was news that that might
not be the case. There may be a curies that
were pulled off, some were put back on. I don't
that sounds like a ping pong game to me, and
I don't know where that ends, and I don't know
if that's actually true. I don't get my hopes up.

(03:40):
I'm very very disappointed to hear that that that had
been a successful effort. I don't know how the people
who said let's let the people, let's let the voice
respect the voice of the people, wouldn't want now that
we've seen the receipts of what it is they were
up to, and there was no funded opposition to what
they tried to do back in eighteen, let's go to
the people again. But they're against going to the people.
Why to can reconsider or just to consider what we

(04:02):
have in front of us. Now, it's great in theory,
but you can always distort theories. Now we have facts
in front of us. Let's see if the people this
is what everybody's signed up for. They do not want
that question on the ballot. They've done everything and when
I say they, I mean Better Boundaries has done everything
in their power.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Don't forget Mormon Women for Ethical Government.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, and if you go to Data Republican on XT,
she'll tell you we're all there. Leftist money is coming from,
which is quite disturbing, but you know they've done everything
in their power to get that so that the people
would not be able to make that decision about whether
to keep it or not in November, which I think
the reason they're so scared is because everyone knows the
fix is in. We know this was a heist. We
know they stole a Democrat district out of a red

(04:41):
state like Utah. It has no business being here. Twenty
four percent for Kamala Harris as a district. It's as
Jerry mannering as you get. But that said, we'll see
what we do have the GOP chair rawbacks and a
state gopchairt Rawbacks and coming on the program at six
to kind of give us the state of play. What's
going on right now? Is it going to be on
the ballot or not? Does he even know? At this

(05:02):
point I thought the answer was not that it wasn't
going to be a bit late. Like I said today,
there's some and there was some glimmer of hope that
maybe some of those were taken off erroneously and put
back on.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So do you think we get an honest answer from
any of those people, Mormon women, leg of women, voters
better boundaries if we ask them, why are you so
afraid to put it back on the ballot? Yeah, do
you think we get an honest answer? I don't know. No,
I've heard their answer. Here's what I think they say. Well,
it's already been on the ballot and the people have
proved it, so why do we need to vote on
it again?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, they would say, this is an underhanded attempt to
undermine the will of people and to put it back on,
but now with false narratives, and so now we can't
do it because we don't do a do over. We
already had the vote of the people, and you're just
trying to game it up by having us vote twice,
and that's wrong. We shouldn't have to vote twice. I'd say,

(05:53):
there's a lot you know, good information drives good decisions.
We got a lot of information in twenty twenty six
that know, no, but he had in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
So on the ballot in twenty eighteen, we had what
medical marijuana yes? And there was one other, one other
issue on the ballot. I'm trying to remember what it was.
Do you remember at that time twenty eighteen?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Was it Obamacare expansion?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I can't remember, but this was also on the ballot.
It got approved by a very one of the narrowest
of nural margins.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Out of two point three six percent.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, very very little, most of the voting for it
coming from Salt Lake County, Salt Lake City. Well that's
a surprise.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
If you took it by by legislative districts, it wouldn't
have passed because the districts that it received enough votes
by in the volume of votes it was, it won
by it, you know, by the tally of votes. But
if you took it by whether it's a state legislative
district or Senate districts. It didn't receive enough votes to
pass a legislative body. And therein lies the problem. You know,
we I think the legislature knows how to pass bills

(06:48):
through the legislature. They're not built, they don't have the
money to do ballot initiatives, statewide campaigns carpet bomb the
state with false information, with real no opposition. Again, as
I said, there was no real camp Pain funded to
oppose this better boundaries scam. And so that's not what
the legislature does. They people elect them, they draw them.
It's in our state constitution that the legislative branch, separate

(07:12):
and equal power is to draw the congressional maps and
the other boundaries of the state for political subdivisions and districts.
They went around all that, and I just saw rod
and ladies and gentlemen. I just saw a video from
back in twenty eighteen at a Salt Lake City meeting
of the redistrictponents of the boundaries of this and two

(07:32):
of them, Katherine Kanter and the other gentleman whose name
escapes me but he's a professor at the University Utah,
are Democrats. But Tim blakemore young, you know, young fresh
faced lakemore you know circa twenty eighteen. He's a twenty
eighteen Blake Moore. He makes an interesting observation and it's
making its way through the social media circles right now
and on X. He says, specifically, if the Better Boundaries

(07:56):
is passed and they come up with their own independent
maps that they want to legislate to pass, they get
the vote up or down. He walks this through. He says,
if the legislature decides not to take the maps that
this Better Boundaries group would draw, it now creates a right,
a public right of action. It also creates the ability

(08:16):
to go to the courts and de litigate against them
against the legislature's legislative maps. He says, that's the teeth
of Better Boundaries. So some people have said, look, Blake
Moore wanted this to happen, but he never knew that
this judge Dirty Diana was going to draw all these
maps in twenty eighteen, he says. He says, the teeth

(08:37):
of Better Boundaries is it creates a public right of
action so that a lawsuit can be presented and to
enforce the maps that they want to draw.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
So he knew going in he contemplated. This map guns up,
goes to lawmakers. Lawmakers don't like it, they kick it back,
and the people behind the redistrict teams say, well, we
now have the right to go to court. And they
went to court and found dirty Diana.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yep, public right of action. And so he not only
was he aware that that was one of the tricks
that was going to be played here, he walks his
audience through exactly what they will do if the legislature
doesn't accept the Better Boundaries maps. They are going to
go to a judge to overturn the legislative equal power
or power and authority to draw these maps, go to
a judge to have that overturned. He describes it. It's

(09:25):
in a video. It's I had not seen it prior
to today. I was aware of his advocacy. He was
a board member of Better Boundaries and you know that
plus twenty four percent district. He lives in that district,
but he gets to he gets to run in a
sweetheart Republican district up north. But it can no longer
be said that he did not know that a judge

(09:46):
would be capable of overturning the legislative branch because he
describes it, he walks the people through it.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah. Interesting, Well, ask Rob Axson about that. He'll be
coming up. We've got a lot to get to. Next
Farmer Utah Congressman Nol Foxton's contribu Jason Schaffits will join us.
We'll talk about the TSA and what's going on at
the nation's airport. Coming up on this Thursday afternoon edition
of the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Okay, in terests I fifteen John
Thune Senate Majority Leader and Mike Johnson House Speaker, both Republicans.

(10:18):
The temperature's right. They're getting madder and matter each and
every day at this and we're talking about the DHS
funding and what we're seeing at airports around the country. Gig,
I'm not sure how much longer they go hold out
without punching somebody in the news good.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, you know what they go on that sixteen day vacation,
leaving us side better or not in chaos, I don't know.
I'm telling you it is a deal breaker on all fronts.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, joining us on our news maker line a good
friend of the show, Jason schaff It's always ready to
have Jason back on the show. Jason, thanks for joining us.
You've been following this, you're watching it, talking about it
on Fox News. What's your take so far and what's
going on with Department of Homeland Security and TSA.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
It's so unfair to these people.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
My favorite snapshot of the day though, with Senator Corey
Booker trying to do an event at Newark and no
crowd behind him, no long lines, no nothing. Since President
Trump brought in ice and other resources, there weren't any
lines and he was there complaining about how long the
lines were, rather than literally there are hundreds of thousands

(11:21):
of people that are in these families that work at
Homeland Security that haven't had a check in for two months.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You know, Jason, this is the part that is astounding
to me, almost surreal. You've got over. I've heard the
number one two hundred thousand people impacted by these by
DHS being shut down, no paychecks arriving. These are critical roles. Also,
the Senate staring at a sixteen day recess, I don't
know how they can claim to represent a constituency at all.

(11:52):
And with that kind of lack of funding and the
chaos it causes and the danger that it exposes Americans too,
that they're going to take a sixteen day recess. Well
that really happen or is there a bit of brinkmanship
going on here?

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't think any senator should be getting on any
plane or leaving Washington, DC and tel.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
This is resolved.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I mean, you're gonna ask members of the Secret Service.
There's forty thousand people at the Coast Guard, There's about
twenty thousand people at FEMA. There's about eighty five hundred
plus that are working for the United States Secret Service.
You have sixty five thousand TSA. I mean you have
what's called SISA, the cyber infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
These are critical roles.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
And you expect them to show up and not get
paid while you're getting paid and gonna go, you know,
on some eastern recess that ain't gonna fly.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Folks. You shouldn't fly.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, you shouldn't. Jason, you know Washington, You've been there
for a long long time. What's the real story here?
What do you think is really going on behind the
scenes on all of this.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I think the Democrats like the issue, I don't think
they want to actually solve it. I mean, think of
how different it was even just in the forty five
days or fifty days since this started. Do you Christy
Nome is no longer the heading up Homeland Security, that
have agreed to body cameras on ice officers. There is

(13:22):
so many things that they have done that. Now, what
are the Democrats actually fighting for? I think they just
they really do hate Trump more than they like the country.
They always claim to be for the working men and women. Well,
some of these people, with all the respect, you know,
these are forty thousand dollars a year jobs. Do you

(13:43):
think they have two months buffer to go just cover
all their expenses? People with kids. They claim that they're
so compassionate for those working mother men and women who
have to deal with childcare, but they're willing to forego
their checks for couple months. It's they want the issue.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
More than they want to solve it.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
You know when the Democrats and the leftists attacked Doge,
When when the administration first got underway and they attacked
Elon Musk, the Tesla takedowns appeared to work. I mean
Elon Musk left that effort, got back to work at Tesla.
It seemed that it was successful. It seems in some
ways that what happened in Minnesota was maybe successful for

(14:25):
the leftists up there is anyone connecting the dots in America.
What's your sense of things, Jason. Does America look where
they should appropriately that this is Centaer Schumer and the
Democrats and the Senate in the minority doing this to
Americans and keeping and really putting us in harm's way
at a critical time. Or is this going to be
a successful deflection towards the Republicans towards the Trump administration,

(14:49):
as it looks like they've done with other issues.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
No.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
I think they think there's an added benefit in that
is that they're disrupting the economy. They don't want the
affor ability issue, which they clung to and started harping on. Well,
Trump was moving the economy forward, gas prices moving in
the right direction, people were I think life was more affordable.
And I think they view this as a disruption of

(15:16):
the economy as well. The airlines are getting slammed. You know,
there's so much more that they kind of get. It's
just crass political, dirty politics. And I think I think
the you know, eighty percent of America figures this out.
I don't know how it bodes well for Democrats, who

(15:38):
you know, ultimately at the midterms, people are going to
try to elect the adults in the room. Is the
economy moving forward? Are we safer? And how high King Jefferies,
who represents New York City can say, oh, yeah, we
don't need we don't need security.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
At the airports.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
How do you do that and represent New York City
after nine to eleven.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Jason, I don't know if this will ever happen. I
think you've spoken about this over the years. But does
this lead to a discussion about privatizing TSA.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
I don't think so. I really I am not supportive
of that. It's a funding issue.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
So the ironic thing and what the Democrats are doing
is they've already the Republicans passed the big beautiful bill
ICE and that function of border patrol, the border wall,
that's all funded through like twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
It's not affecting them at all.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've had a.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Lot of run ins with TSA, been hyper critical of them,
but particularly when I first started with Congress, I thought
a lot of what they did was security, theater and
everything else. It's not that that's the problem. It's the funding.
And what happens is if you go to talk to
you know, Delta is one of the most important employers
here in Utah, and you go talk Do you want

(16:55):
Spirit Airways also in charge of security?

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
I think there could be a better smart I trust
the deltas in Uniteds of the world, I don't necessarily
trust the others and should also be in charge of security.
I think that's a function of government.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
More coming up on the road in Greg Show. Congressman
Jason Shaff It's just joining us right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine Canteress plus from Trope
Media today. Have you filled up since then?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I haven't filled up lately, but I'm due. I think
my light's about to go on. I keep looking at
keep looking at the market, and it went up, you know,
like yesterday. So I don't like the trajectory. But it's
still under one hundred of barrow right now, the you
know WTI index. Yeah, but it's but it went up,
you know, from the beginning of the day to the
end of the day. I haven't looked at today's uh

(17:43):
where it closed today? But you know, I don't like
the I don't like the line where it's going.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I wonder if the American people are saying, Okay, this
is only going to be temporary, we'll ride it out
a little bit. I don't know if people can afford
to ride it out. It's expensive.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Look, people, it's tough times. I mean, I do think.
I think there's a lot going on, and I just
think that the more Washington seems just tone deaf to
all of it. It's it's not going to boat well either.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well. Econom it's Steve Moore joining us on our Any
Hour news Maker line right now. Always great to have
Steve back on the show. Steve, give us your take.
A lot going on with the economy now, gas prices, inflation.
What's your take so far?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I'm focusing on what everybody's focusing on us. When
will we will be able to declare victory and Iran
get out of there and you know, get back to
the blooming economy we had when prices of oil we're
closer to forty to fifty dollars a barrel and sixty dollars,
not ninety dollars a barrel. So this is getting disruptive
to the economy, no question about it. People can make

(18:44):
up their own mind about whether they think, you know,
this is worth it or not. That Trump says it's
short term pain for long term gain, and I think
he's probably right about that. But I look, I want
to see the US quickly and victoriously and then let's
get back to low inflation, a lot of jobs and
economics boome we had at the.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Start of the year, Steve, Is there any perverse incentive
of drawing out this war, particularly in the commodity price
of oil? I hear Saudi Arabia saying, don't come up
with agreement with Iran, you know, keep keep the fight going.
Am I am? I just too much of a cynic
to worry that that's a maybe an economic decision in
terms of the price of oil. And is there any

(19:24):
is there again, is there any perverse incentive to keep
that that that war going with Iran for those that
may profit from oil, oil and gas?

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well maybe.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, there's no question that the Saudi Arabians are
making a lot of money off of one hundred dollars
barrel oil, no question about it. But I think they
I don't. I'm not quite a conspiratorial because questions, well,
I like it. I like it. That's my kind of conspiracy.
But look, I think this Audis want this to be

(19:54):
over with too. I mean, even though they may be
pomfiting and from it, they don't want the Iran bombing
their you know, the oil fields and the refineries and uh.
And you know, the Iranians made a big mistake and
starting to bomb all of their neighboring countries because now
they're so isolated. But I do think we're going to
see if you look through futures markets, they show in

(20:15):
four months oil advice going right back down to where
it was pretty much uh, before all this started.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Steve, let's bring it home. You have written a lot
lately about what is happening when it comes to taxes
between blue states and red states and how red states
are really starting to benefit from this. What's your take
on all of this? What do you see going on
there as well?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Steve, Well, you love that issue right because you right
down and you know, I mean, like you know, Florida,
Texas are the too fastest growing state with the Carolinas.
But when you adjust for inflation, I mean not just
for put the size of the population. Utah is right

(20:56):
up there with the fastest growing states. And that's because
you have a very hospitable, pro business, low tax environment.
You you knew just about everything right in Utah. And
so we're but what we're really seeing in America is
the biggest uh, demographic uh and economic really you know,
relocation ever where the northeastern states and the western the

(21:19):
western coastal states. Now that did you see that? Washington
States has made one of the greatest blunders of all time.
Their legislature passed a ten percent income tax. By the way,
I keep asking you guys, I mean you're such slouches.
You still have an income tax and away away at

(21:40):
it zero and you know you toashed it in a
serious point in Utah. There are now eight states that
don't have an income tax. There's no reason you touched
to have an income text. Think of how many you
know you'd have to build the wall around you try
to keep all the Californians out if you want to zero.
So those are the states that are really booming. And
it's not just taxes. It's regulation, it's right to work laws,

(22:03):
it's better schools. You have school choice now, and.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
You talk yes, we do.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's a big deal. So you know, these Blue states meanwhile,
I mean New York and California are losing hundreds of
billions of dollars, all of the not all of them.
There's so many of their millionaires and billionaires are leaving.
Silicon Valley has lost a lot of their billionaires. New
York is seeing all sorts of you know, all sorts
of problems as well. So this is the issue of

(22:29):
our time. And the new numbers just came out showing,
you know, Utah was another winner. You imported capital money
from other states.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Steve, I want you to know for years I've been
talking about getting the income text grid of it in
this state, but lawmakers, like my co hosts, have refused
to do so. I just wanted to let you know.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I want to I am a recovery service. That's not
my fault.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now, Steve, I want to ask you about with Utah.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Now these days you just don't have enough snow.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, that's true. A little dry this year.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, Steve, I want to talk about the impact of
what's going on with Department of Homeland Security and TSA.
We talked to former Congressman Chafins earlier today, and he
thinks in many ways, the Democrats are using this as
a distraction to get people away from thinking about the
goodness of the economy and to focus on what is
going on with the economy right now. Do you think
they're trying to distress distract Americans from the Trump economy?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
And I call I call it planned chaos. They want
the chaos, they want the mayhem, they want to everything,
want Americans to be angry, even though it's their fault.
They're the ones who have not funded TSA. It could
be done in an hour. And you know, I'm by
the way, I'm headed to the airport right now, in
Das Airport, and I'm hoping I'm not gonna have to
stand on line for an hour and a half to

(23:42):
get my fight or else I'm going to be I'm
going to be taking away to fight. So but people
are angry about what's going on, and this is such
an easy and this is politics, you know, and they're
just and I'll playing both parties, frankly, I mean, why
are we causing all this mayhem at the airports to
score political points? And of course the Democrats don't want
voter id so they're holding up all these bills so

(24:04):
that you know, they say, oh, I was on the
CNM last night, believe or not in this county. Oh,
this isn't tighter. Idea's voter suppression. I'm like, no, it's not.
It's a legal voter suppression. Oh yes, I mean, I
don't know about you guys. I need I'm gonna I'm
gonna pull up the airport. I'm gonna need my ID there.
I couldn't get in the CNN building last night with
an out a photo ID. But no. The one thing

(24:24):
you can do in this country without a voter ideas vote,
and these guys want it that way.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Here's an interesting question, and I was surprised. Jason Javids.
We spoke with him. He he said that he doesn't
think he doesn't this this shutdown you see now politically
and how it harms Americans trying to get use the
airports isn't as isn't as strong of an argument to
privatize TSA. He says, would you want some of these
smaller airlines in charge of airport security? And he's a
little worried about that. He thinks it is a role

(24:50):
that the federal government can fulfill. I was kind of
the mind that this could be an area that's privatized,
so we don't have it as a bargaining chip or
used by Democrats or any any political purpose. Where do
you stand on something like TSA? Have you thought about
that is always that something that should be privatized?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I have, I have, And that's another softball question right
down in the middle of the middle play. So yes,
we can use There are twenty two major airports around
the country that use private TSA and including San Francisco's
SFO and UH and it works just fine and they
haven't had disruptions, so there's no reason that these have
to be government employees. So I'm so And by the way,

(25:28):
Jason's a good friend of mine. I love the guy,
he's one of my and I love him on Fox News.
But we should. I'm going to get a little of
talk with him about the place and make sure that
he understands that we should privatize and why not in
the short term hire some of these people who are
the private contractors. It just goes on because it's not
fair to have people missing their flights, waiting two or
three hours in line for for TSA when they're appealing.

(25:48):
And by the way, yes, of course we should use
ICE agents, and that's providing the Democrats we're against that too.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
They hate A.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
When I was on stand on they all they talk
about how much they hate ostun like. Look, there are
some bad actors I know, and I don't you know
some of the stuff that happened in Minneapolis, I don't lie,
but these are these are mostly outstanding people committed to
our country. They're the ones who they said, why do
we need all these ICE agents? I said, because Joe
Biden led an eight million illegal immigrants. That's why we
need all these ICE agents. Uh So that's kind of

(26:16):
my take on it. And by the way, guys, I
got a jump because I'm here at at at O'Hare
and not O'Hare at airport and I got to get
through the security line.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh good luck man.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, have a great weeknd guys.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right, Steve Moore joining us on our newsmaker line.
All right, when we come back, the tragic story of
what happened to a military veteran that's coming up on
the Rod and Greg showan Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Canna asked when are the American people going
to say, we've absolutely had enough. And I bring that
up because of this story now coming out of New
York an illegal alien who has been deported four times,

(26:54):
greg four times. This guy has been deported faces upgraded
charges now that the elderly Air Force veteran he's accused
of shoving onto the subway trucks in New York City
has died.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's it's a yeah, it's such a tragedy. And by
the way, for anyone who doesn't know if there's any
laws that deal with that, what's the law about, you know,
amnesty or what do you do with someone who's come
across four times illegally? Well that's a felony, okay, and
that person should be deport well sh go to jail
for what they've done. But there are penalties for crossing

(27:30):
into this country illegally, particularly multiple times. And anyone who
would suggest that there's it's all ambiguous. We just don't
have laws that tell us what should we do next.
It's not true. And the fact that we don't do anything,
or that these things go unaddressed, you get a horrific
story like this, some veteran who's just sitting there in
those nut jobs in New York City. They're already deranged.

(27:50):
When my son was living there for two years, I
talked to him once a week, and I just say,
keep your back against the wall and away from that
that platform where the subway train comes. Because I would
watch the news in New York City and I'd see
that that story would emerge all the time. There's just
crazy people down there.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
The suspect pleaded not guilty earlier this month, as arraignment
on new charges was scheduled for Monday, but the charges
have been upgraded. I love this quote. I'm not sure
who this comes from, but it was. Oh one of
the bystanders who saw this happen and tried to save
the man. She said, I hope he rots in Hell.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah. Yeah, and we do too, yep. I did it.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Deported four times and allowed back into this country.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
And we don't have a problem with security. And DHS
is not getting funded right now, this could happen over
and over again.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
We American people are put at risk right now over
the games being played in that Senate.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Well, what was Blake Moore's role in better boundaries in
the redistrict team. We've got new information.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, I had a tough times James.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
One last night. But Judge Judgy sucked oh for four
really yeah, it went oh for four last night.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
So but.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hates thee He just loves to you, Yeah, he Judge,
he does.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
He just teases you about Judge four ca Yeah, not
just for four, that is for strikeouts. Wist.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah. Hey, they did use the they did use that
new system they had once last night. Didn't what they
called that Rey the A B s. The brilliant folks
at Netflix missed it because they were interviewing a manager
while that was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, well, yeah, I think I'm already eliminated. I think
the Pirates just got eliminated today.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
The greatest picture on War to winner, he's a rookie
of the year whatever, and then and then he gave
gives up five runs in the first in. But some
of that was the outfield's fault. But I don't know.
I think all my hopes and dreams were shattered in
one day.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well yeah, as of this morning, and news came out
that it looked like efforts to get Proposition four on
the ballot for all of us to vote on understanding
clearly what it's all about, is not going to be
on the ballot. Apparently, the devious efforts on the part
of the Mormons, Women for Ethical Government, the League of

(30:14):
Voters and Better Boundaries worked hard enough to get enough
signatures removed from one district one Senate district Senate District fifteen.
That's Kathleen Reebe's district, who is going to run for Congress,
by the way, and they need twenty six of twenty
nine districts, but with her district not making it, that
means they didn't get the twenty six districts. Am I

(30:36):
reading that right? I understand that right? So you know,
so at this point it's not going to be on
the ballot, even though there's word late this afternoon where
some of the names may be put back on the position.
This whole thing is weird. Rob Axton is going to
join us coming up with six oh five and give
us an update on all of this. But questions have
been raised for quite some time greg about the role

(30:59):
of Utah first, their Congressman Blake Moore in all of this.
People have been wondering what exactly was his role with
a Better Boundary Commission.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, so he was. He was one of the board
members a Better Boundaries back in twenty eighteen, prior to
running for Congress in twenty twenty. He was one of
the board members Shoulder to shoulder with UH, with Democrats
with a Karen Shepherd, with a Kathleen Canter with I
mean they tried that. They had people that were saying anyway,
it was it was a Democrat funded If you look

(31:30):
at their out of state money over a million dollars.
It came from you know, Democrat, leftist sources. And there
really wasn't any organized opposition against it in twenty eighteen.
There just wasn't money, and there were people, there was
a lot on the ballot there.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well, remember Rob Bishop, who'd served on that commission quit
he saw the handwriting on the wall.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
So after it passed in twenty eighteen by fifty point
what three six percent of the vote, he was a
member of the commission and really wanted to at least
give it the college, try and see if there was
something productive that would be bipartisan. UH. And he left
that commission knowing that every every input, all the input
he was sharing, everything he was providing with being wholesale rejected,

(32:09):
and so he knew that the fix was in and
he resigned from that position.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, I think the general understanding, Greg, and you can
correct me if I'm wrong on this, because I know
you will, was that if it passes and this commission,
the redistricting Commission whatever it was called, the boundary Commission,
came up with new districts that they would send to
the legislature and ultimately the sole decision rests with the lawmakers.

(32:35):
That's what the state constitution says. Yeah, am I right
on that? Right?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
So so here you have this commission coming up with
these new districts. Legislature looks at him, says, no, we
don't like these, and they rejected it. But but little
did we know there was another path there.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
So, folks, they said, and I've been asking myself this
for years. I had just left the leg and I said,
if if that better boundaries. All it did is say
they could sit around in a you know, in an
amen corner and just go ahead and put bring a
map maps to the legislature. And they had the ability
to just up or down vote for which was what
it was going to say. They couldn't amend it. It
was up or down, yes or no. I thought, well,

(33:16):
what's the harm just to have them bring them in
and say, you know, because the district maps are hard
to actually draw. It'd been part of a redistricting commission before,
and just getting the numbers right is such a difficult exercise.
I thought, what's the harm in just saying no, because
I'm sure there'll be even errors in their maps. Just
say no. Well, they contemplated that, and there's a little
part of this plan that it has since played out

(33:39):
in Utah, but was part. It was baked into the
cake from day one. And we have breaking news today,
at least on social media, a town hall meeting of
where the proponents of Better Boundaries proposition for were explaining
to the audience what that bill did and how it
would work. And we have Blake or who's part of

(34:01):
that group, explaining details.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, listen to this because you have to follow this,
but understand what the commission, this boundary Commission had in
their hip pocket that Blake Moore explained.

Speaker 10 (34:13):
Listen, they would draw these maps and then submit them.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
To the legislature for approval.

Speaker 10 (34:21):
If the legislature votes yes, votes up on the maps,
we have new maps.

Speaker 9 (34:27):
If they vote down.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
If the legislature then votes down on these new maps,
the legislature would then draw or adjust, or they would
redraw the maps just however to the extent they do
and submit those as our new maps. But at that point,
we have what's called the public right of action, and
there would be a mechanism in which there could be

(34:51):
a lawsuit taken against these maps. It's the teeth of
the commission. It's the teeth of the commission.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
There's the plan. So I have heard they had this
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
There have been people that have defended Blake Moore to say, look,
he did want better boundaries. It's true, he was a
co chair, was he actively campaigned for it, but he
was really looking for fair congressional districts. And he had
no idea that there would be litigation and a judge
that would usurp the power of our in our state constitution,

(35:24):
giving our state legislative branch the authority which it has
to draw those maps. What you just heard him say
back in twenty eighteen is the teeth of better boundaries
was to create that public right of action, A lawsuit
go to it. Yes, public, that's a little standing to
file a lawsuit to then go to a judge who

(35:45):
they well knew, a judge they could convince easier than
a legislative body the districts that they want drawn. And
when you see the money where it came from out
of state, who wanted this? The left leftists, When you
see the advocates of this being the Democrats of this state,
it is none of this, including the judge drawing those

(36:06):
maps yourself. This was all contemplated from the beginning, which
I didn't know until today that that public right of
action was baked in the cake. It was anticipated that
if they probably assumed that the legislature wouldn't accept their map.
But now they have a lawsuit. Now they have a
way to get in front of a judge. And you know,

(36:28):
if you look at our judges that have been nominated lately,
we've had some trouble with these judges. And I think
they had a lot of confidence that they could go
to the right jurisdiction and the right judge and have
them be very, very sympathetic to the Democrats in drawing
them a map that looks exactly like the one we
have today, that's a plus twenty four percent. Kamala Harris
district map, and so then you got these plus seventy

(36:50):
three percent Republican districts. How on earth does someone tell
me that's not more gerrymander than what they complained about before.
The most the pendulum swings is is we've ever seen
in this so called non jerrymanders map. This has been
a scam from the beginning. And I will tell you
that Congressman Blake Moore has some splaining to do. He

(37:10):
has been saying I didn't know a judge or get involved.
That's not what I signed up for. He just we
just listen.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Described what they could do is.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
The teeth of better boundaries to have a public right
of action, a lawsuit that would go to a judge
if they didn't if the legislature did not agree with
the map they drew, they were going to the judge
to get their map. Yeah, he lays it out, playing
his day in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
We all know that politics can be rough, you know,
bare knuckle politics. Now, we normally don't see it here
in this state where you grew up, in the Midwest,
where I grew up in New York, there's bare knuckle
fighting going on when it comes to politics. Right, this
stinks to high heaven? There really does? This stinks to
high heaven. Here's what irritates me, Greg, and you and
I have talked about this before. Yes, the desire for

(37:55):
Utahn's to be nice, yes, and to disagree better. We
are being taken advantage of by people like this. You
know it's not Blake. I don't know what Blake Moore's
role was in this. What do they call it? The
right of action?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
What his role coach better boundary?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
There are people within this machine who knew we've got
a way to get at it. All we need to
do is find a friendly judge, and they did in
Dirty Diana, And all of a sudden we're in charge
and the state can't do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, they knew this was going to judge it from
day one. They told everyone, Hey, we want you to
be part of the process. We want you to do
They knew, they knew, as I've seen, and again I
think I paid pretty close attention. I never knew this
detail right here was not only understood, but was promoted,
talked about, promoted. Yeah, this is our public right of

(38:48):
action that if they don't agree with our map, we
get to now go to a judge. We get to litigate,
put up a lawsuit, and get a judge to agree
with us. This is that is and folks, let me
tell you, I will be curious to see and I'm
not hopeful that any media will cover this because I
think I think it's a pretty important revelation that's been

(39:09):
uncovered today because I didn't know anything about that and.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
How they massage this. They had a Republican explain, Yes,
Blake Moore's out there explained, see the teeth of the
commission is they can go to court. And if for
Republicans are saying, people go, oh, okay, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
So if you thought that the constitution mattered and then
that the legislative branch had the right separate and equal
power but had the authority to draw these maps, you
wouldn't say anything. He just said that this gives us
the right of action to go to the judge. You're
going to the judiciar. Did the judiciary the judicial branch
to get the maps you want?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And that was from day one. They decided that's what
they were going.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
To do, and that's exactly what they've done.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And they've done it now we have the receipts, and
that's why it's a If it just doesn't get on
the ballot, it will be really tough to know that.
Once we saw forget the campaigns in twenty eighteen, we
got the receipts. Now we've I've seen what they've done.
We're now learning what they intended to do all along.
It's been they said the quiet part out loud. We
didn't know that. Lake Moore himself said the quiet part

(40:08):
out loud. Well, we won't eat what we can't say. No,
that wasn't what was presented to us in twenty eighteen
that we passed by fifty point three to six percent
of the vote with no organized opposition against it, so
it barely barely passed. However, no one knew any of
these details. And there's this doesn't pass the smell test
in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Now we do. This is not doctored up. This is
not photoshop. This is the raw video. Hasn't been AI
hasn't touched this at all. This is raw video of this, folks.
So you've got a member of Utah's congressional delegation back
in twenty eighteen saying the plan is if this commission
doesn't like what the legislature has done, they can go
to court. And that's exactly what they've done.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, and you can watch it's about a minute for seconds,
about two minute video, but that whole eighty one minute
meeting is also included, so you can watch it and
it's full context. If you're worried that it's been taken
out of context, the entire meeting of eighty one minutes
is also included online. You can see it all. And
I think it's a smoking gun. I think it shows
a duplicitousness that that. You know. I think people gave

(41:13):
the benefit of the doubt said, well they wanted fair.
They didn't realize that that's what they would mean by fair.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
How many voters do you think knew this?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
None?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
None?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well all the Democrat ones did?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Democrats did? They had it?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
By the way, you want to know what the definition
of a fair a non gerrymandered district is in for
a Democrat, a Kamala Harris plus twenty four percent district
that's got it's that's the definition of.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Fairness in the state of Utah. All right, more of
your reaction to this. Now it's new, new information that
we're finding out this afternoon. But you may want to
weigh on on this eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty,
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downloading the iHeartRadio apps. Over the past several months, as
the debate over Proposition four has been going on, some

(41:55):
people have raised questions about the role that Utah First
District Congress Been Blake Moore play aid in this boundary
commission in the redistrict team.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, today we're learning some more information on social media
today and this isn't doctored media, it's not AI at all.
There is a clip of Blake Moore to town hall meeting?
Was it twenty eighteen? Great twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen. It's
in a church too, a church.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, they had to and if you watch that, I
watched part of the longer video and they want to
thank the people, the congregents of this church. It's not
a it's not an LDS or a church. Jis Christ
Larry Saints Chapel. It's a it's a it's a different church.
But they're having this meeting.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yes, it's a town hall.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Media right, it's like they're getting civic civic engagement. And
they're there speaking about Prop four, which is Better Boundaries,
and uh, Catherine Kanter, who's a Democrat, unapologetic Democrat, hands
the microphone to Blake Moore, who's a co chair of
Better Boundaries, and he begins to describe what it is,
how the process would work in terms of this independent

(42:52):
independent I'm using air quotes commission, and how they would
draw maps for the legislature to decide to vote up
or down.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, so list to how he explains it.

Speaker 10 (43:00):
They would draw these maps and then submit them to
the legislature for approval. If the legislature votes yes, votes
up on the maps, we have new maps.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
If they vote down.

Speaker 10 (43:16):
If the legislature then votes down on these new maps,
the legislature would then draw or adjust or they would
they would redraw the maps just however to the extent
they do and submit those as our new maps. But
at that point, we have what's called the public right
of action, and there would be a mechanism in which

(43:38):
there could be a lawsuit taken against these maps. It's
the teeth of the commission. It's the teeth of the commission.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Greg nobody ever talked about the teeth of the commission.
Did you ever hear this discussed.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Years ago?

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Eight years ago?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And I have yet, I have never and I and
again this this this thame. They passed it in twenty eighteen.
I wasn't there. I had always asked myself, why not
just vote it down?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Like?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Why did they? Because they changed it, you know, they
they amended that that ballot in missip after a pass.
But I'd ask why not just vote it down and
move on? This was and I'm sure legislative attorneys told them,
here is the problem. That right of action gives them
a straight path to a judge to decide what's going
to happen next, and it takes that authority, your constitution authority,

(44:26):
away from you. I'm sure that's what was explained. So
they made that adjustment. But then they went anyway and sued,
and ultimately we're able to achieve what was in that
bill or in that prop for from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well, this is the smoking gun in my opinion, because
everybody has always thought, Okay, we have the commission, but
ultimately the decision lies with the state legislature. That's right,
it is in our Constitution. But now come to find
out they had a sneaky little provision in there which
they called, what is it, the public right of action,
and that means they go to a core and challenge

(45:01):
whatever the legislature decided on and there's something the legislature
can do to stop it because the public approved this.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, and it even led us down these wrong paths
of logic where we said, look, better boundaries was about
voting up or down a map they presented this judge
getting involved. That's not even what better Boundaries is. What
we learn from this newly released video today is that
back in twenty eighteen, when they were describing this prop
for and better boundaries, they were already pointing to the

(45:30):
role of a judge and the judiciary in deciding the
maps in Utah. They were already saying, this is how
this is the teeth in better Boundaries. This is it
here the judge will get to decide. If the legislature
doesn't do what we say, the judge will do what
we say.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And Blake Moore knew that, and he called it the
teeth of the Commission.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yep, and he specifically described that scenario. So I know
a lot of people that like Blake Moore and they
think he's a great member of Congress. One of the
excuses about his involvement with better boundaries and prop for
because people have been frustrat rightfully about this, is well,
he didn't know. I didn't know that they that this
would go to it just talked about it. I didn't
know it would go to a judge. He just said.
He said he did from his lips to our ears. Folks,

(46:10):
we heard him say this will go to a judge
if they don't do what we say.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
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It was tough. I looked at the list of shows
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Yeah, I just I just thought it. It just separated
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I give it a vote?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
All right, if you just join any uns. We're talking
about the role Blake Moore, Utah first district congressman, played
in the Better Boundary Commission in an effort to redistrict
congressional districts here in the state of Utah. Now, a
lot of people have said, you know, he did serve
on that commission, but we haven't heard a lot of
explanation as to exactly what he did. Well, we're kind
of having a little indication of that today with something

(47:18):
on social media.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Greg Yeah released today video of a town hall meeting
that took place in twenty eighteen at a church where
each some proponents of this Better Boundaries prop eight. We're
speaking to the people that in attendance. Catherine Kanter was one.
She hands the microphone to now Congressman Blake Moore in
twenty eighteen. He was not a member of Congress. He

(47:41):
ran in twenty twenty. He is going, he explains what
there what this would do if it passed, it would
create this commission. This commission would then create maps. They
would submit it to the legislature. The legislature could vote
up or down. They couldn't change They could vote up
or down on the maps. But then he go he
allowed rates. And this is the part that I've never

(48:01):
heard in the eight years since that passed. He says
that if they vote it down, there is now the
way that is written a public right of action where
they can then file a lawsuit, go to a judge
and have the judge overrule or decide against the legislature
and its constitutional duty to draw those congressional districts. I

(48:22):
did not know that they were leading with that, that
they were they were So what do you think about this?
Is this something that am I just behind the curve?
Do everybody know that was baked in the cake? Is this?
I mean, what's the what what do you think when
you hear We've played it twice so that people can
hear the video themselves and it's available. What do you say, folks,
what is your take on Blake Moore's participation in this

(48:45):
let's go to Russell, who's been patiently waiting from Syracuse. Russell,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
Hey, Ron, Greg, it's so good to talk to you guys.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I love you guys. You guys are what you're doing?

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (49:00):
You know, why is it always the Republicans that shoot
the Republicans in the foot? I swear we are constantly
moving in the left in this country. And the Republicans
voted for John Curtis, the Republicans voted for Mitt Romney,
and Blake Moore just met into that camp. I am
I am in district uh in that in his district,

(49:22):
and I'm voting for anybody else but him.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It is so disappointing. And I think you're right. Why
we keep drawing in people that have been on the
record that they don't like your support Donald Trump, that
they've they've actually been involved in leftist organizations, or it's
just and you know what I got to tell you,
I think what it comes down to his money. I
think that when you are the it isn't a coincidence
that Blakemore, who ran against a former member of the

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state legislator, Kerry Gibson, who was also a Weaverer County commissioner,
Bob Stevenson, who was all a commissioner of I think
Davis County.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Davis Well, he was Layton City Council and then Davis County.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I mean these were good and it's been been around
a while. Blake Moore was young and kind of new
on the scene, and but he he dropped in more money,
over a million bucks. He has you know, he has
access to a lot of wealth. And the can the
campaign that has spent the most money won. So you know,
I hate to tell you that it comes down to
that sometimes, but money is the mother's milk of these campaigns,

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and if you have the most of it, you have
the probably the best chance of winning.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I agree and disagree, Okay. I also think it's our
desire to be nice. Yeah, well, and I think there
is a desire in this state to be nice, to
show we are fair, that we consider all sides, and you.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Know, how to be nice to get Blake more elected
over the other other.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Candidate, I don't know. I just think sometimes it's our
desire to be nice.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I think that you think it's money which Rob Bishop
decided not to seek reelection. Now there was no, heir apparent.
That was an open seat, and so the name ID
of all candidates and there were more people than the
ones I just rattled off that ran. But name I
D in a congressional race is hard to get. And
I think if you have money, that's media buys, that's
digital buys, online, that's a lot of ways to get

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your name out there and be familiar. Yeah, that connotes
organization momentum, things like that.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
He was also a star football player for you shly,
I think for played USU and I think Ogden High School,
I think, or something like that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
So he's good at sports.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I give that all right. We do have a comment
on our talkbacks line less. Listen in and see what
this listener has to say here.

Speaker 11 (51:26):
Aden Greg this is Jeremy and American Fork Pop position
for red filled me. I'm done with the Utah State
Supreme Court. I think we should impeach all of them
and remove the entire bends from replace them. And the
reason is because they create a new law out of
thin air. When they elevated a proposition to the level
of a constitutional amendment and beyond that and more crocus

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in my opinion is they put a stay on the
Utah's trigger law, and they have yet to rule on it,
years and years and years later.

Speaker 9 (51:54):
They should all be a peep.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Good point. He's right at the trigger law. How many
years is it set there now?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
For we had the legislature put a law on the
books that if if in the event that Roe v.
Wade was ever overturned by the Supreme Court, there would
be a law in place that wouldn't handle this. And
that's why they call it trigger law. It was there
was a litigation from the left to put a stay
on it. That stay was given. It's been years. It
just sits and collects dust. Nobody at the Supreme Court

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wants to move on that trigger law, which there is
no reason why they wouldn't. And and O, I'm so
glad that our listener pointed that out these these uh,
these ballot propositions are not akin to a constitutional amendment,
like our state Supreme Court ruled. It is just it is.
It was created at a whole cloth, and it is false.
It's just not real. But what do you do when

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it's your Supreme Court? But yeah, that's that's that's the
state of play right now. If you have a ballot
measure like this prop for you can't amend it. You
can't touch it. Any other law that's passed and its
normal course through a legislative body will go through amendments
and always does. By the way, there's always an intended consequences.
Times change every law. It used to be a bill,

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it's it's it's statute, and then you take those those
that language and you can amend it, underline it, strike language.
Except now, according to our State Supreme Court, if it's
a ballot measure passes by point three to six, there's
not a single word on it, you can ever, ever,
ever amend.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's again all right, more of your calls coming up.
Brought in Greg with you on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can e s. Let's go real quickly
to Neil and West Point. Neil, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (53:28):
Hey, thanks you guys. I sure enjoy your show. It's
you guys are real informative and I appreciate that, especially today.
I appreciate you bringing that information about Blake Moore. I've
been a state delegate for the past few years and
having not really supported Blake Moore, but you just gave
me some good teeth to support her opposition, which is

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Carrie Anne Lisbee, who I know quite well and I
think she would do them job.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I think we.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
May have lost Neil. Neil, thank you for your comment
on that.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Again, this is information that I hope people get to
see because I think it is. It's if I am
blown away and I think I pay attention. This is
really important that people hear this from his lips to
our ears. He knew that what baked in the cake
was this judicial intervention against the legislative branch. He knew it.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
You want to start a lean revelation. We're the only
media that's talking about it and will be well. I
guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Then, I guarantee you're just gonna shame them out of
it again. Let us be the leaders in this.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Charlie Is and Draper. Hey, Charlie, how are you welcome
to the show.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Hey, I'm doing great.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
It's always good to talk with you guys, and I
appreciate your subjects.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
And you know, I'm old.

Speaker 8 (54:40):
I've been born and raised here and everybody seems to
look at our system that it needs to be adjusting
and fixed when there's nothing broken in our system, especially
our constitution, and it drives me nuts that we don't
pay attention enough to have a guy like Blake Moore.
I mean, who would have thought they could bake this
in the cake? Like you said, Greg, this is so outrageous,
and once they I've learned being old, you don't ever

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let a judge be the one to decide something that's
gonna affect something that's important as that. Never ever, anybody
who's had any experience in life knows that if there's
a system that's broken, it's our system of lawyers and judges.
And you know, and I've got to sudden Lawe a
great lawyer too, and I told him all my joke
and he still became a lawyer anyway, Charlie. So anyway, guys,

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you always talk about the important stuff, and you're right,
I would have never thought this could be happening. But
I'm so so disappointed that we can let Blake do something.
I mean, how did we let that get through the cracks?
I mean, God, we need some checks and balances here
with with our other guys.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Sure we sure do, Charlie. And hey, here's how it
got through the media didn't pay any attention to it.
They didn't dig hard enough and they didn't pay any attention.
And your point of this never brought this up. We
wonder why.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, And to your point, now they don't even have
to dig. Now it's out, They're still not gonna if
you're to it.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Nobody We found it on social media today, thankfully.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Do you think any any any of the TV stations
or the news sites in this town are going to
pick that?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And I'm telling you why, I know the source, I
know the gentleman who posted it. This isn't something like
you said. This is not AI generated, this is this
is a legitimate meeting. In fact, he not only posts
the two minutes where this is said, he puts the
whole eighty one minute meeting on online after it's just
so you can see it in its whole context, which
it doesn't get any better. It doesn't sound any better

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than when you see his in the two minutes.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Every media outlet in this town except ours, is in
favor of what the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Have down Yep, because they're democrats.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Because they're Democrats, all right. More coming up, Robbocks and
Chairman of the Salt are the Hutah Gop Well, join us.
We'll talk about four coming up to stay with us.
The petition to repeal the redistricting law. Apparently word was
today or it came across I guess late yesterday that
the effort has failed. After the signature removal campaign. These

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guys will stop at nothing to keep this off the ballot.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Greg Yeah, there was a lot of effort and for
a group that said, let the people decide. Will the
people will the people to work this hard to prevent
the will of the people, or for consideration, now that
we have you know, we forget the sales job. We
got receipts. Now we can see whether we like it
or not, it would be a real will of the
people vote. They did everything in their power to prevent

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the people from having the chance to vote for or
against the system that we have on us right now.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
And it all comes down to one Senate district. We
had to get enough signatures in twenty six of the
twenty nine Senate districts here in the state to be
able to get down the ballot. There was one district,
I think it's District fifteen, which a heavy Democratic district,
was able to remove enough names that they are now
four districts that have not qualified, and that kind of
kills it from what I understand.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yeah, and so, but there is some news today that
potentially there might be some signals it might be restored
to help give us the most updated report of the
state of play. Is our very own chairman of the
Utah Republican Party, Rob Axon. Rob thank you for joining
us on the rodd and Greg show. What is the
status right now of the ballot measure? Do you have

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enough votes or is this off and not going to
be considered in November? Well, first off, thanks for the
opportunity to be with you guys.

Speaker 13 (58:25):
It's it's always good chatting with with like minded and
UTAHNSS and us. Unfortunately, right, yeah, well unfortunately, I'll tell
you where we're at right now. With with state law,
it exists a forty five day period from the time
that signatures are verified where they can be removed. Now,

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the intention of that is to remove signatures from folks
who did it unintentionally or they misunderstood, and that's reasonable.
What happened here is you have what appears to be
a north of three million dollar payment that came in
that funded these various groups. There's about five of these

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liberal groups from out of state that were established here
in name only just to go and take on this effort.
And they have aggressively taken advantage of the law and
they've complied with the.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Law, but they did not comply with the spirit of
the law.

Speaker 13 (59:23):
The spirit of the law here is to allow the
people's voice to be accurately heard. And like you said,
the people spoke, they wanted this to be on the
ballot in November, and disingenuous people have now robbed them
of that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Rob where'd the money come from? What was it, three
million dollars? Where'd that money come from?

Speaker 13 (59:41):
There's a host of people that we are familiar with
and groups, I mean, they're all liberal groups from out
of state. But the reality is you also have campaign
finance disclosures and they are not being met and so
a lot of it is not being transparent right now
because these are folks that know that they can go
and break the law here in Utah and maybe face

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a few hundred dollars fine and in the process hide
from the people of Utah that this is an organized
out of state effort that has come in here to
remove the will of the people and keep this in mind.
The initiative process allows for a ten to eleven month
timeframe where you can go and gather signatures. We only
had two months, well just over two months to do
that now. The reason being is we didn't actually pull

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the trigger on doing this until we were forced to
by the actions of Judge Diana Gibson. So by the
time she put us into this corner and we realized,
you have a member of our own judiciary who is
going to ignore the state constitution pick a map from
a private group that was drafted by a political science
professor in Delaware. That's who picked this map. So when

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that happens in November, we decide, even though the time
is truncated, we've lost most of the season of gathering signatures,
we're going to go and do it. We only had
two months in a week to do it. We were
able to deliver two hundred and thirty five thirty six
thousand signatures. That was a threshold and a number that
nobody thought we would meet. We far exceeded the one
hundred and forty one thousand validated signatures that we needed,

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and even still we're at one hundred and sixty six
thousand validated signatures, and a number of signatures are thrown
out because somebody forgot to put the date on there.
They still wanted it to be there, but they didn't
put the date, so it's not counted. We have one
hundred and sixty five thousand people that were validated that
still wanted on there. And these people went and guilted

(01:01:31):
and shamed and cajoled people into removing their names in
one Senate district and in so doing robbed the voice
of Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So where do we go from here? I mean, there's
news coming out today. Video from twenty eighteen at town
hall meeting in Salt Lake City where Democrats but also
blakemore but it is described that the Teeth of Better
Boundaries and prop for was in fact this public right
of action that would allow whatever if the legislature did

(01:01:59):
not accept the map that was given to them, because
it was going to be an up or down vote,
that would allow them. And this is set out loud,
the quiet part out loud. We will go to court.
We will go we will file a lawsuit with the
intention of a judge being able to overturn the will
of the legislature of all these years, Rob, I've never
heard this. I never heard that this was part of
the intention from day one. So there's a lot of

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people that have always been frustrated with this. But there's
a particular burn going on right now as you find
out that there was always a judge at the end
of that process that the Democrats believed would carry a
congressional district for them. Where do we go as voters
today from here? We're not going to see it on
the ballot? What's the strategy? So obviously today is a

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frustrating day.

Speaker 13 (01:02:46):
And we saw the writing on the wall over the
last couple of weeks where you just it becomes impossible
to compete with millions of dollars being spent in one
Senate district and they have a running list of who
to go and bother right like they know the names
that they need to remove. And interestingly enough, I live
in that Senate district. I'll tell you I was at
church and people in my LDS congregation were telling me

(01:03:08):
that they have been visited four, five and six different times,
being told the most vile things about me, about the
intentions of the prop fore appeal, about the people that
have supported it, and it just so happened that they
know me, They know that wasn't the case. But how
many people have heard the lies and the guilt trips
and everything else. This should not be the way that

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a constitutional republic is governed. There's a reason that our
founders did not want us to be a direct democracy.
There's a reason that the founders did not write into
the US Constitution, or frankly, even to state constitutions, this
principle of initiatives. This was only added during the progressive
movement to a number of states, and you now have
this ability for people to go and spend gobs of

(01:03:51):
money to confuse, cajole, guilt, encourage, bribe people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
To go one way or the other.

Speaker 13 (01:03:58):
Best policies from people having the chance to sit with
an issue, to think about it, to engage with their
elected representatives, and to go and vote at the ballot box.
That's where we should do it. I'm confident at the
end of the day we're going to win. It's just
going to take a little bit longer than I would
have preferred.

Speaker 12 (01:04:13):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Do you think as a result of all this and
what we're seeing going on with people, you know, being
talked out of, being told Hey, get your name off
that signature. Here's why you know rob Axson's not a
nice guy. Or all the points that he's making out.
Are people waking up to the to the idea that democrats,
not only here in Utah but around the country they
play dirty. This is a dirty move on their part.

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They play dirty. Are people waking up to that? Do
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I think there are? And there's two things here to highlight.

Speaker 13 (01:04:44):
One, Greg, you just brought up a moment ago, but
you pointed out that these groups have been talking about
trusting the will of the people for six years. They've
been giving us that platitude. Oh yeah, we now can
see them for what they are. They are people that
just want power. They want a guaranteed outcome. It's not
about impartiality or nonpartisanship. It's about their preferred candidates to

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be on a ballot in a map that is the
most gerrymannered and manipulated map Utah has ever seen. And
then they try to confuse people by claiming that they're
doing the exact opposite. The facts now speak for themselves.
So that's one issue that I think will waken people up.
The other one that I want to stress is really
a sense of gratitude. We have two hundred and thirty
plus thousand Utons who signed this. They wanted this to

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be on the ballot, and they represent an even greater
number of Utons who would have voted for the repeal
of Prop four and eventually will get their way. I
also have to thank more than two thousand volunteers across
the state, in twenty nine counties, in every Senate district,
in every neighborhood who spent countless hours. That is right
there an example of people wakening up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Well, Rob, we want to thank you for I know
that was a tough deal, was truncated in terms of
the time that you had to do what what you're
right most people thought couldn't be done. You got those
numbers in each of those districts Senate districts that it
had to be that you needed those votes you had
in excess of and it looked like that we were
going to see this on the ballot. I don't think

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anyone was prepared for the millions to come in and
really focus on a district to try and get those
those signatures off. But but that's by no fault of
your own and for all those volunteers that you were
able to marshal and all the work you did. We
want to thank you, but this isn't over. We're all,
we're all, we're all going to keep moving forward on
this and make sure we get our We've got our
district stolen from us, a commercial district, and we're not

(01:06:38):
We're just not gonna take it. So thank you for
all the work you've done and fast joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Thanks, Rob, appreciate it. I appreciate it, all right you.
Rob Ackson, chairman of the Utah Republican Party, his reaction
to word that the Republican petition to repeal redistricting law
has failed. Will not be on the ballot. We'll see.
We'll have to wait and wait and see what happens here.
But they're you know, I still go back to a
point that I was making. It's going to be interesting

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as this race develops, Greg how far left these Democratic
candidates are willing to go in Utah's first congressional district.
They're going to have to go way far left to
get the votes they needed. And realistically, how much influence
or powered do they actually think they'll have when they
get back to Washington. Yeah, wakem guys, smell the roads.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It's going to be such a clown show. You want
to talk about voter remorse, buyer's remorse. The more this
district exists on our maps, and the more that these
voices come out of the state of Utah, I think
collectively this state will be embarrassed about the this kind
of district drawn in this state that doesn't reflect the values,

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or the or the positions of people in Utah. It
is just it's but we'll have to see how you
do it, because you know, the Supreme Court said you
can't amend Prop four as it's written right now. You
can't amend it. You got to So there's got to
be a hard reset somewhere, and I think the people
should demand it, and there needs to be something done here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
You know, Rob shared with us. I hadn't heard this,
but Rob shared with us that with his within his
own church community, these people trying to get names removed
showed up their doors four or five times, convincing them
that they were bad. The ideas being proposed were awful.
They played dirty folks, they did. And if we don't
start playing dirty in this state, we're gonna lose.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I'll tell you this. They I have heard the fatigue,
and they said, I didn't know when I signed this bout,
I gave permission to be harassed every single day, which
a lot of people were. And uh, and but you
know it worked, didn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I mean people say we don't like negative campaigning, but
then negative can it works?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah? It does, it does. All right, more of your calls, comments,
and more of the Rotting Gregg Show coming up here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five. Die can All right,
so let's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Go to one of our great smart listeners of the program.
Let's go to Kip from Kysville. Kip, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rodding Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
I wanted to comment about the Blake Moore election. If
you recall in the reprime primary when he first ran,
it was Blake Moore and I think three other candidates.
The other three were all competing to see who was
the most ardent Trump supporter, so they divided up all

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the conservative vote, and uh, Blake wins the primary and
then of course you win the primary and you taw
you win the general. And to see this over and
over again, I think with the John Curtis election. The
same type of thing happened the governor's race recently. I

(01:09:34):
don't think the Republicans need to play dirty, but we
sure need to learn how to play hardball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Good point, right, Look, Blake Moore he won that that
that race that the kid was talking about. The winner
won with thirty one percent of the Republican vote in
the primary. So thirty one so you have.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Blake Moore won, and the other candidates again, does it happen?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I don't have it in front of me, but I
know Bob Stevenson was one, Kerry Gibs was another, There's
a there's a few others, but I but in that
primary is a crowded, you know, convention caucus, convention cycle.
In the primary, it was just you know, you had
more than two and thirty one percent got you the
Republican nomination, which is the election for gender general. There's
no the general elections, not not isn't going to decide it.

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So we have a habit now that we have plurality
in our primaries of more registered Republicans voting against the
nominee who goes on to the November race than voted
for for him. The nominee, which is wait, you know again,
is a problem in our election cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
All right, we're inviting you to give us a call
or leave a message on our talkback line. Let's go
back to the talk back line. One of our listeners
has this to say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Bruce from Eden.

Speaker 14 (01:10:46):
My question is, why do we allow outside money from
outside of the state influence Utah laws.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yeah, we don't have a pro it's a it's a
freemore speech issue. I guess we just I mean, there's
no way to to really, we don't stop it. So,
but the out of state money is something that we
have to have to pay attention to at least make
it transparent so people know what where things are being funded.
So the to the question of more he was in

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the Republican convention. He came in second place together with
Weaber County Commissioner Kerry Gibson. The other candidates Davis County
Commissioner Bob Stevenson and Kaysville Mayor Katie Witt. They will
Katie Whitch He's they well, Bob Stevenson and Katie Whit.
They secured their spots in the primary by gathering student Yeah. OK,
so it's crowded field, so you know you're going to

(01:11:41):
have that that math. Many states do a runoff if
you don't get fifty plus one, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
We should do that. I should have Should we have
a run I mean for people like Blake Moore winning
with thirty percent of the vote.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Yeah, no, I think I think you should have a runoff.
I I this this plurality in the primary is not
producing well. There's a lot of things that are causing
us to not produce our best candidates, but I think
the plurality in the primary is a big problem. Even myself.
I tell you, you'd like a one on You'd like
a heads up fight when you when you just like
to go against one instead of having the plurality.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Against In the race for governor, you went John Huntsman,
Spencer Cox.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
And me and Thomas Wright.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
There were four of us. Oh really, Yeah, that's so croud.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
One ten Counties. I don't know if I've mentioned that.
Didn't when didn't win the race one ten Counties. Yeah,
I'm totally over it. I'm totally over it. You can tell.
I just kidd So anyway, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
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well find out exactly what we're learning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, and I would encourage you to go back and
listen to this. We played it twice in the program.
I think it was the fourth end of the four
o'clock hour into the five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, five o'clock hour, so we played We.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Played twice, but you have to listen to it because
it reveals for me for the first time in eight
years that going to the courts and having a judge
decide that the congressional maps for Utah and circumventing the
legislature was baked in the cake and was the goal
all along as part of it. And that was what
Blakemore described in twenty eighteen. It said, this is the

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teeth of better boundaries. It gives us a private action,
and this means we can take a lawsuit to a judge.
If they don't pick the map we give the legislature
to to, you know, to adopt, We'll go to a judge.
And he says it in the beginning before he calls
the shot and so didn't I mean, we didn't like
that that happened, But I had no idea that it

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was always the plan to go that right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Well, we were wondering, we've been wondering, greg about how
are they getting around the Utah Constitution, which says it
is up to the legislature to draw these congressional maps.
How are they they keep on going ahead movie, and
now they're going to courts, and how can a court
overrule what the legislature has done?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Now we know why, that's why. And they also ruled
you know, you know, craftily whatever you want to call it. Insidiously,
this Utah Supreme Court ruled that that to that petition
ballot has the effect of a constitutional amendment. You can't
amend what was passed into law by ballot, like you
can't amend any law passed through the legislative process. It

(01:14:26):
it is not a constitutional amendment. It should never have
been interpreted as that. And that is again that's a
that's an interpretation from our judges that is out of
whole cloth, something that's never been seen that way, nor
could you really argue is the same as a Constitutional Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Sorry, it's just not it's true. All right, let's move
on to a different topic. It was just yesterday, I
think a wonderful editorial in the New York Times. I
can't believe I'm saying that by Brett Stevens Now Brett
used to be the conservative writer at the Wall Street
Journal whatever. The New York Times is kind of the
token conservative columnists down there, But he wrote the terrific
article outlined how the US is beating Iran militarily. We're

(01:15:04):
crushing him, yes, and he shows how great this effort
has been, comparing it to Desert Storm and everything else
we've been involved in, how quickly we've moved the precision
of our attacks, and what has happened. Right, you go, Wow,
what's going on with the New York Times. Then you
had another columnist, his name is Thomas Edzel a few
days ago, I think it may have been over the

(01:15:24):
weekend writing Greg that maybe the Democrats are out of
touch or Times and this guy is way out there. Right, Well,
let's find out what's going on. Joining us on our
newsmaker line and Stephen Cruiser, senior columnist and associate editor
at PJ Media he's written about this, Stephen, like we

(01:15:45):
just outlined, you know, these columnists writing these columns about
the Democrats being maybe out of touch, and you know,
the US winning the war in Iran. What on earth
is going on with the New York Times.

Speaker 15 (01:15:56):
I'm still wrestling with the Edzel thing because he's not
only very liberals, the biggest apologist they have for all
of the whacked out stuff that the Democrats do, and
all of a sudden he's wagging a finger saying, you know,
maybe back off on the transgender stuff for a while.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Or he also said they should soften.

Speaker 15 (01:16:12):
Their positions on immigration issues, which I don't know if anyone.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
Else on the left has said that ever yet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
So here's and I think that the issue. I think
they're correct. I think that they have gone so far
to the left that they've left everyday Americans far behind.
I don't even think people that would have called themselves Republicans,
but common sense seems to be a party issue for
Republicans now. But I am just stunned that when I
see polling numbers coming out of Pennsylvania for John Fetterman,

(01:16:41):
who votes ninety one percent of the time with Chuck Schumer,
and the Democrats. So he's a liberal. They don't like him,
the Democrats. He's pulling around twenty four percent amongst registered
Democrats in Pennsylvania. It suggests to me that the Democrats
are as extreme left as the narratives we're seeing, and
that the normies aren't really Democrats anymore. Is John Fetterman

(01:17:03):
a Canary and Nicole mine that Democrats cannot get elected
as Democrats if they want to have some common sense issues.

Speaker 15 (01:17:09):
I think that's more true as you get to the coasts.
I've been writing ever since Biden got into office in
twenty twenty one. I said, the coastal Democrats, and then
you throw in Illinois and Minnesota in that too, are
those They're not the same Democrats as flyover country Democrats.
And I thought that the coastal Democrats who have all

(01:17:30):
the power, who have the biggest voices right now, I
thought that they were leaving behind their regular people in
the Midway, and that played out in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 9 (01:17:40):
Yeah, that's the way it happened. And there are rumors that.

Speaker 15 (01:17:45):
Autopsy that they did after twenty twenty four that they
haven't released the results of have told them that and.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
I've heard a lot of rumors to that effect, especially
on the transgender stuff, but they're not.

Speaker 15 (01:17:57):
The coastal Dems are two entrench and they live in
a they're surrounded by people who are telling them they're right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, yeah, Steven. You also note that one thing act
Will failed to do was recognize the role of the
media in all of this, and the legacy media. What
are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 15 (01:18:12):
When I go through the opinion sessions of the New
York Times and the Washington Post every morning, which I
do for America, thank you, so you don't have to,
it's it's like reading psychiatrist notes from an insane asylum.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
They're so far out there.

Speaker 15 (01:18:30):
It's just it's and I've been doing this for two
decades now, and I'm telling my friends, I'm going I've
never seen it this whacked out as they have been
in the last year. And they have been so they're
living in an alternative reality. And you know, I like,
you know, everything objectively with the Trump presidency is going well.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
They don't want to participate in it. They'd rather keep
telling themselves that it's not going well.

Speaker 15 (01:18:53):
And I don't think I don't really think that they
can back off of that that quickly before the midterms.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
So here's my question, though, this seems to be fertile
ground for Republicans, especially our majority of Senate Republicans, that
we can't get Department of Homeland Security funded, they're ready
to go on a sixteen day recess where these two
hundred thousand plus critical federal workers have been forty plus
days without pay. It almost sounds like the Republicans in
Congress are not all that. I mean, it seems like

(01:19:20):
they're following their Democrat playbook. I'm just very frustrated that
we can't see take advantage of this moment and see
some work being done by the Republicans in Congress. It
looks like they're not taking advantage of it.

Speaker 15 (01:19:33):
President Trump is trying to make the Republican Party stronger.
He's trying to make them want to win, and I
for you know, all these decades, I've thought, Okay, the
Republicans never do well in the majority because they don't
want to win.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
They don't want to be in charge.

Speaker 15 (01:19:47):
They just want to be able to go to the
Capitol Hill club, get drunk and talk about how nice
each other's ties are. And I'm like, it's just so
he has gotten some more backbone into the party. I
think sending ice into the airports was a smart move.
It is going to make this move along quicker. Now,
it's not going to make it move along as quickly
as we want. But there are indications too that the

(01:20:07):
Democrats know they're losing the threat on the narrative about
the shutdown and about funding TSA.

Speaker 9 (01:20:13):
So I think it. I think they're going to have
to bail on that soon and fund it.

Speaker 15 (01:20:16):
But I it's it's I just my biggest worry going
forward is that the GOP will turn into a bunch
of spineless jelly visiting Fichigan once Trump is out of office.

Speaker 9 (01:20:28):
Now, if jd Vance gets elected, probably not.

Speaker 15 (01:20:31):
He seems to have the same level of fortitude and
temerity that President Trump has.

Speaker 9 (01:20:37):
Again, so does Marco Rubio.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
Yeah, but uh so, that's it's just he's got to
make them want to win.

Speaker 9 (01:20:44):
I said long ago, I said, I'm tired of.

Speaker 15 (01:20:46):
Wanting the Republican Party to win more than the Republican
Party wants to win here here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
It's exhausting, Yeah, it is exhausting. Final question for you, Steven,
the the old establishment if there is such a thing
within the Democratic Party. Why is it so hard for
them to admit this party is not the party I
love and belong to. It has gone wacky. Why is
it so hard for them to admit.

Speaker 15 (01:21:09):
That, I'm going to stick with the coastal Democrat thing
right now? That is such an insulated bubble that they're
not They're.

Speaker 9 (01:21:17):
Not getting pushed back from their constituents.

Speaker 15 (01:21:18):
I mean, Chuck Schumer's been in office since nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
It's it's and so that's the thing. They're just not
getting hit with the fact.

Speaker 15 (01:21:29):
They got hit with the facts in twenty twenty four
with you know, getting swept in the swing states. But
there they just aren't exposed enough to reality. And I
think that and I really do think that that's the
main thing that that that ideological bubble that they live in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Stephen Kruzer, he is a senior columnist with PJ Medium,
talking about The New York Times. Weren't coming up on
The Rodding Gregg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine canterists a couple of audio somebodies. So we
did not get to today, but I want to play
because I know you and and First of all, Stephen
AH Smith. Yeah, yeah, it's a kind of a love
hate relationship with step but he decided to go off

(01:22:08):
on the Save America Act in support of it. Yes, okay,
listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 16 (01:22:14):
Let me stay for the record. You should have a
damn ID. I have no problem with the demand for
an ID to vote. You need an I D for
every damn thing else. And to the progressive less, shut
the hell up. You got a mayor in New York
City that required two IDs for you to shovel Snow,
you ain't in no position to be bitching about how
he wants id's and the GOP wants IDs for votes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Shut up.

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
Nobody wants to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Shut up. Nobody wants to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
You know, that's just just blunt, blunt, blunt commentary that
that you know Democrats don't want to hear. And I
you know, there should be a price to pay it
the ballot box for for just going against the grain.
When Stephen A. Smith, he's no Republican, he's not conservative.
When he just can't digest the lunacy coming out of
the Democrats in Congress, you'd think that would be a

(01:23:08):
tell that they would try to become a little bit
more normal, but they're not. They just they're letting this
country continue to just exist in chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, we didn't run this just day. I wanted to
err it today because there's a response to it. I
think his name is Chris Murphy. He's the US Senator
from Connecticut. Okay, I think a Democrat of course. Well,
he was on MSNBC or MS now I think is
what it called with Chris Hages the other night. Listen
to what he said about what the Democratic Party is
concerned about.

Speaker 15 (01:23:36):
The negotiation didn't have a path of citizenship. It was
entirely on their terms in order to get Ukraine fund right.

Speaker 17 (01:23:46):
Well, I mean, Chris, that's been a failed play for
twenty years.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
So you are right that.

Speaker 17 (01:23:50):
That has been the Democratic strategy for thirty years maybe,
and it has failed to deliver for the people we
care about most, the undoted, commented Americans that are in
this country.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
The failed strategy for the people who we care about
most undocumented people in this country, that's the Democratic strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
And we've been telling you that's their voters. Those are
the ones that they have to legitimize, because that's the
only voting block that they have left.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
And they're going to cheat until they can get them
amnesty and and voting. That's that's obviously what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Well, Senate Majority Leader John Bosso heard that and went
on the floor of the Senate and had this to
say about the comment from Murphy.

Speaker 14 (01:24:32):
Well, there is now circulating that is evident that the
Republicans have all seen, which is a member of the Senate,
the Democrat member of the Senate on television telling the
nation this is a clip the member of the Senates
the people.

Speaker 9 (01:24:45):
This is a Democrat.

Speaker 14 (01:24:46):
The people we care most about, he says, are the undocumented,
not these people who are working every day. The people
that Democrats care most about are the undocumented, the illegal immigrants.
The people are not citizens of this country, but are
here and have been unleashed into this country ten.

Speaker 9 (01:25:04):
Million or more during the Biden administration.

Speaker 14 (01:25:09):
And that is what we're talking about here today on
the floor and why we will vote people voting later today,
mister President, on the proposal that the Republicans have made,
that the Democrats agreed to two days ago, but now
they withdrawing their support because as we hear from a
Democrat spokesman and the Democrat senator. The people that they

(01:25:29):
care most about are not the citizens of the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
You know, do you know how bad that look? That
makes the Democrats look? They care more about undocumented aliens
in this country, greg than the FBI now at Secret Service,
the Coastguard, TSA workers. They care more about undocumented aliens
than the those people who are providing security to us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
And you know it will. President Trump asked during the
State of the Union, stand if you support American prior
to the American people overall, else over the undocumented, and
every Democrat they stayed seated, and every Republican stood up
and said, I support my constituents that sent me to
represent them. That's who I support. Imagine that, imagine representing

(01:26:15):
those who voted for you and sent you there to
represent them, is who you prioritize. Unreal, unbelievable. Chris Murphy,
I he was my senator.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Well, I thought it was funny during that Trump well
that went. Trump looked a him and said, you people
are crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah he did. He looked at me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Believe they couldn't. You people are absolutely I think he.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Really thought he'd shame them into standing up because it's
it's a pretty bad look to say that you don't
support your constituents more than illegal aliens. But no, they
they weren't taking it. They were going to stay seated. Boy,
they're going to show us.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Well, I think we have I know the America. Like
you said, what was the phrase that Glenn Beck you
used to you heard him death by a thousand shrugs.
The American peopleing, Uh, okay, big deal. They aren't taking
action on this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
That's what the future I have been looking for, and
I see it in spots outrage. But there has to
be a collective outrage and rejection of what the Democrats
are doing to this country. If there's not, you're going
to get more of it. That's just a rule. That's
a rule of life. You get whatever you accept, you're
going to get more of That's true. That's it.

Speaker 9 (01:27:20):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
That does it for us Tonight, head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family and this great
country of ours. Thanks for joining us. Thank Rod and Greg.
It's Friday, coming your way tomorrow is for it. We'll
talk to you then.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Have a good

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