The Rod and Greg Show: Utah's Election Security Bill; Finding Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, he's a nice guy. I don't know him. You
know him better than I do. I've you know, had
occasion to meet him and interact with him a little bit.
We disagree on some of his policies, most of his policies,
but today here I loved what he said at the Olympics.
You heard what an audio sound bite that APPY had
their newscast.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, we've been talking about this on the programming and
our disappointment and I know it's your disappointment as well, folks,
that that we have American athletes Team USA, that that
the media, the international media wants debate into criticizing our
own country and the divisions we have politically, and they
take the bait and they actually some of them are
happy to express their political opinions which are divisive, which

(00:39):
do divide this country. When at the when the Olympics
are really where we come together. So the governor, you know,
oversees because we're going to have the Winter Olympics hosted
here in Utah at some point in eight years from
eight days from now, from today, from today. Wow, well
we'd be all doing eight years from today, good question,
But no, you won't. But but I was very very

(01:00):
happy to have him tell them, I don't like your question.
Yeah yeah, these young people are out here trying to
win their true Why want you to ask them questions
about their sport? Good for him? Yeah, you know, yeah,
it's about time. I love that we have a governor
of a state that got up there and really got
in their grill a little bit. They've deserved it.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, here's what he said exactly. You said. I know
the media loves this stuff. It gets a lot of cliques.
I hate the questions you asked the athletes. These are kids,
they're competing. I think you should be asking them about
their sports, about their competition. Let the politics take care
of the politics. That will happen. He also went on
to say, I think it's important. I think that it's

(01:38):
true in every country that you need to have certain laws.
I certainly had to show my documents when I came
to Italy, so questions about documentation and showing your ideas, said,
I had to show it here in Italy. What's the
big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
He's the governor of a state. He has to show
I need to get in where they're going.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
What's the big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, it's it's it's overdue. We talk about it after
the fact, and you know, we've read some comments where
some of those athletes had kind of walked back what
they had said. But while I did not, I'll just
confess I did not watch the curling that took place
this morning at ten or ten thirty, as I was told,
and I just missed it. But what I did see

(02:17):
is one of these curlers that's just absolutely from Minnesota,
ripping on once again and Trump and everything else. And
I'm thinking, you know, there's not enough people that like
your sport for you to just take half of this
country and just kind of get on the wrong side.
I think we all if anyone likes these sports and
watches and cover, you know, watches and follows these sports
during the Olympics, it's because we're trying to cheer for

(02:38):
our country without regard to political persuasion. We're Americans and
we want to cheer for America. They make it hard
when they start to get into into using that platform
to further what is really a domestic issue, an issue
here in our country. But you know, the the international
media and the other countries, they want to see us dysfunctional,
They want to see us fighting amongst our selves, and

(03:01):
I'm afraid that these athletes, they walk right into it,
to our own, to our country's detriment, they walk right.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, that's why I'm so complimentary. Today. The governor said, hey,
focus on the sport. Talk to these athletes about what
it takes to win. Don't talk to him about their politics.
And he called them kids, some of them our kids.
But this Curler guy, he's not. He's a lawyer from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
From Bryan out loud. It's like, you know, we're barely
hanging on to the sport, many of us. You had
to just be nice so we can just cheer you on.
You don't need to get in our grill about your politics.
Give me a break.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So kudos to the governor today.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Thank you to Governor Costs. I think it was it
was it needed to be said, and I'm glad he did,
and I like the way he said it.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, yeah, he did it very well. Uh, great show
lined up today, and we're all talking about an effort
on a mail in ballot, some changes taking place, I
think something both Greg and I support. We'll talk about
the Smithsonian Institute, which you've visited. Was it this summer Yeah,
it was this summer disturbed by some displays, yes, with
in the various museums, and the President has told them

(04:03):
fix them. Well, Smithsonian has come back and said, eh,
we're going to do a thing. I thought they had
started doing it, but apparently apparently they have done nothing.
It's bad, of course, the big deal today, of course,
and it's all over the news today, twenty four to
seven video and pictures being released in the disappearance of
Savannah Guthrie's mom. We'll get into that and talk to

(04:23):
you about that. And years ago, Greg, I saw a
bumper sticker when I was working in up in Boise, Idaho.
This was years ago, and the bumper sticker said, don't
California kate Idaho. Okay, Well, is that happening around the
rest of the country, especially here in the Mountain West.
We'll talk about that. So we've got a lot to
get to today, and as always, we invite you to

(04:44):
be a part of the program eight eight eight five
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message on our talk back line. Greg this story if
you're if you're a parent, this is story that's going
to disgust you. And we knew it was going to
happen sooner or later, and it's happened out. But you've

(05:05):
got a high school wrestler in the state of Washington, Okay,
says she was sexually violated during a match by a
transidentifying male athlete. Even more disturbingly, school officials failed to
report the alleged assault to law enforcement for nearly two
months after she came forward and said she was assaulted

(05:27):
during a wrestling match at her high school.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, it's we're going to hear these stories and they're
going to happen until we stop allowing boys to play
girl sports and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, let me give you the background on the story.
This is a report from the Media Research Center.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Video is now going viral of a female high school
wrestler who says she was sexually assaulted by an opponent
that she thought was another girl, Except it wasn't and
the video evidence is pretty messed up. Callie Keeler, a
sixteen year old sophomore at Rogers High School in Washington State,
says no one told her that she was actually wrestling
biological mail. In the video of the event, Callie can

(06:03):
be seen clearly going into distress during the match and
trying to communicate with her mom, who couldn't understand what
she was saying. Above all the noise, Callie says the
other wrestler sexually assaulted her by ramming his fingers repeatedly
into her genitals and refusing to let go. She says
she let herself be pinned just to make it stop.
Only after the match, Shod a coach from another school
inform her that she was actually wrestling one hundred and

(06:25):
ninety pound biological mail. So Calli reported the incident to
her school, who she says, did absolutely nothing and ignored
mandatory reporting requirements. Only after an independent news outlet reached
out to the school for comment two months later did
the school finally file a police report. Callie then learned
that over a dozen female students at the male wrestler's

(06:46):
school had reported him for making them uncomfortable in the
girl's locker room. Almost like someone could have seen this coming.
This is what actual girls are being forced to endure
in order to prop up the left's little gender war
in support of mentally ill people.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
And perverts.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
They're being crowns in sports, they're being beaten in boxing rings,
they're being gaufed at and groped in bathrooms, and now
they're being assaulted on wrestling mats. So I hope you're
proud of yourselves lives so much for women's rights.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's an amazing story. She was sexually assaulted during a
wrestling match Craig and nobody. Nobody seemed to care.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, when you go to them, it's one thing. If
something the actions live, you don't know what's happening. The
adults in the room aren't getting their heads around the
specific circumstance. But when you go to pursue what had
happened and the school just doesn't follow procedure, they don't
take it seriously, That's that's when you know. I just
there should be accountability to that for that, and it's

(07:38):
it should never happen. Really, And I thought we thought
the pendulum was swinging the other way. I thought we
were starting to get common sense again. I'm surprised that
story is you know, well, that's happening.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
That's what I thought. I thought the Trump administration already
said no, don't do this anymore. Now there is a
case before this recurrent Supreme Court will get a ruling
on it before the end of June. Here, but I mean,
this poor girl, she's wrestling and she's been sexually assaulted
during a during a match.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, it's you know, and there's that's that's not that's
not anecdotal, that's not you're We've heard these stories, We've
reported and shared these stories on the program before. And
I think that unless you get a handle on this
and we start, I mean, even the girl in the
Olympics that that guy, the guy that she boxed, has
now admitted he is a man. Now, yeah, you know,

(08:25):
I think they took the medal away from him, but
she was forced to apologize during the Olympics for being
upset that she got her nose broken by a man
and you know, competing in women's boxing. And yeah, I
just it's a shame and I and where are where
are the women's rights advocates out there who want to
protect women, protect their access to sports and their experiences.

(08:45):
It is such an abject failure that they are not
themselves leading Why are we talking about it? They should
be absolutely leading the charge on this on this really right,
this wrong. It's wrong. What's happened here? And we it
shouldn't take us to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And these groups like the National Organization for Women, where
are they? Yeah, nowhere we've seen or heard on this.
All right, A lot to come on the Tuesday afternoon
edition of The Rod and Gregg Show when we come back.
Some changes when it comes to mail in balloting here
in the state of Utah. We'll talk with a state
lawmaker who wants to make those changes coming up on
The Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk radio one

(09:20):
oh five nine kN arrest.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
So if we can catch a good lawmaker that will
come on the show and tell us about their bill,
we are lucky to have them. And right now we
have joining us Representative Jefferson Burton from the Utah House
of Representatives. Representative, Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Hey, you guys going to be onber Representative.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You're behind an effort by the House GOP to spend
or to allegate about ten million dollars to require mail
in ballots be returned in person and also requiring an ID.
Where are you coming up with this idea and why
do you think it's needed?

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah? Thanks, for the question ron. I mean, look, one
hundred and eleven countries across this globe, democratic and partially democratic,
require ID to be shown to vote. Those include me
and mar Mozambique, Nicaragua. But strangely absent from that list
is the United States of America. And you ask the
question why I believe that foundational to our republic is

(10:21):
this notion of secure elections and knows no party. Democrats
and Republicans both are concerned about election security, as we
found in recent surveys, So we think it's a no
brainer to require folks to show ID when they vote.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And representative we play clips on here sometimes in Harry
Enton from CNN. It's always fun to watch some of
the polls that they do on CNN, because I don't
think their audience is ready for some of the answers
he reported to eighty three percent of Americans across the
board support having producing state ID photo ID to vote,
and you're even saying well north of fifty percent of

(10:59):
even Democrats that support this. So this looks like it's
an eighty twenty issue. But you know, when you're in
the legislature, you're hearing different voices maybe than on the
street or front that Harry Enton's reporting from CNN. What's
the atmosphere in the legislature right now as you're running
this bill? Are you? Are you confronting? Is everybody applauding you?
Is there a parade for you? Representative? Are you getting

(11:19):
any kind of pushback?

Speaker 6 (11:22):
No, there's absolutely no parade. But we are negotiating. We
are negotiating and talking about how we can get there.
As you know, Greg and having been here, politics is
the art of the possible, and so negotiating. In fact,
I have a meeting in the morning with the Senate
and I do want to point one thing out. That
ten million dollars reported I do not believe is accurate,

(11:43):
and that's why I'm meeting with the county clerks to
get it an honest number. If you'll under know, the
fiscal note showed two hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and
that fiscal note was written using data from previous elections
and from counties. So we are open to helping the
counties and appropriating more money to help them pull this off.

(12:07):
But we're still negotiating, and there's more meetings and a
lot more to follow.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Representative Burton I would imagine one of the criticism you're
hearing is here we go again, Republicans are trying to
make it too hard to vote again. How do you
respond to those accusations?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Well, I mean I'm surprised often how we will take
comfort over security, And to me, this is foundational to
our nation. We've got to have secure elections that we
can believe in. We know that even last election we
had a major candidate that may have won had votes

(12:43):
been captured, that we're lost in the mail and so
we all know. And if you look at the data
on how people turn their envelopes in after they voted
last major election, General election twenty four, the vast majority
of them did not mail them. And so the mail
has been proven to be ineffective and you can't depend

(13:05):
on it. And so the bottom line is if we
can make this as convenient as possible and still get
it done showing ID in the process.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So if someone wants to buy alcohol, I want to go,
pick up a prescription, rent a car, get on an airplane,
board a flight, buy cold medicine, you know, donate blood,
rent a car or a home or a hotel room,
have a bank account, all of the things I just
rattled off, you need an ID, And I don't see
anyone clutching pearls that this is somehow having a chilling

(13:39):
effect on any of the things that I read off
that people are doing every single day. There's good reasons
and real reasons why people oppose things. They can say
that this is has a chilling effect on voting, But
given how much we have to how often we have
to use our ID, I don't buy it. Is it
coming down to just the administration of producing an ID

(14:00):
is just too much extra work for county clerks to
want to do, or that people don't want to do
I mean that? Or does someone want to cheat? What's
the real reason behind the opposition? Is built because it
can't be IDs because we use them too often?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Yeah, honestly, I think it's convenience. I relieve you, and
I understand that we'd have in a busy world, it's
difficult to do anything that requires you to take an
extra step. And I understand that, and I look, I'm
like everybody else. I love convenience. But in the case
of voting, I think it is absolutely essential that we

(14:34):
get this right so that representatives from any party feel comfortable.
Polls taken after the twenty twenty four general election showed
members of both parties forty three percent of voters only
forty three percent were very confident that the votes would
be counted fairly. That's a startling number. And I think

(14:55):
it's not too much to ask. I need my ID
to go to Costco. I should need my idea to
vote vote.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Represent to Burton. Is it as simple as and I've
done this where I vote by mail, but I don't
drop it in the mail. I go to the polling
place and drop it in the ballot box. There would
the other step be you just have to show I
am who I am? And could I do so for
my wife or my children? If they can't make it,
can I drop their ballot off as well?

Speaker 6 (15:21):
No, you're going to have to come in person with
your ID. There are requirements and code that allow people
are infirm and well not mobile to go ahead and
vote electronically and by mail. But for folks that are
healthy and can get around, the requirement is that you
personally turn it in. We're going to try to make

(15:43):
it very easy. You can go through your city office
as you pay your power bill and show them your
ID and drop it off there. That's the plan. Anyway,
We're going to try to make these drop off spaces
as simple and easy as possible. The concern is lines crowding,
and so we're going to look at that logistically and

(16:03):
be very judicious about how we try to pull this off.
But I believe it is doable.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Practically speaking. You could put if you have election judges
that volunteers. This is always a volunteer effort. I always
thank those election judges that are there an election day.
I like to vote in person. But do you have
a willing public that will engage in this election day process?
What about the drop off boxes that might be out
in the city's parking lot or something. If you had

(16:28):
someone there that would scan the ID like you would
if you were going to a club or an over
twenty one place, scan the idea and the name and
the address matches the ballot. Is that something that's being
discussed in terms of it. I mean, if comfort and
inconvenience is the clarion call, which I don't really know
why when we're talking about a democratically elected republic, But
if that's the big issue, could it be possible that

(16:50):
we have some of those election judges or election officials
that are there at those drop off sites that could
just scan the ID as they drop it off into
those boxes.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah, that's a great question. Greg. We are looking at that. Actually,
if you if you look at what's going on in
a bar, for instance, the scanner scans the real ID identification,
which has been adopted in fifty states, and so we're
looking at the technology and what that might cost to
have that at those drop off locations. So, yeah, that
is being discussed.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Representative. We appreciate your effort. Both Greig and I are
behind this. So hopefully you'll make it through with the
clarifications you're talking about. We'll see how it goes. Thank you,
all right.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Thanks, good luck. Representive. Hey, that fiscal notees a trick.
They always put that up high just to kill the bill.
You know that. I know that that's a that's a
red herring. You call them out. Good luck to you.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
That's exactly right. We know how the sausage is made
up here. Absolutely, have a good day.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Thanks Representative. Jeffard Dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, really, so if you can't win on the merit
you put some obnoxious dollar amount that you think can't
make it through a budget process. And to that, I'd say,
I would poorities a fair and free election with chain
of custody and transparency, and I would call their bluff.
But they don't need ten million. They just they don't
want to do it, and they want to make it

(18:09):
worth their while if if you somehow want them to.
I think it's I think that's a stunt that we've
seen year after year in the legislature when people can't
win on the merit, they tried to put a fiscal
note on it in the budget.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Ye all right, Bore coming up, Rod and Greg with
you here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can us Now, what was it this past summer you
and your family took a journey to Washington. Yes, you
came back, Yes, fuming a little bit about what you
saw the Smithsonian Institute, Yes, pray tell yes.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So they had they had they had like it was
supposed to be America. Americana found out that Barnum and
Bailey circus was completely motivated by the United States desire
for world domination, that we wanted to have, that it
was our imperialistic nature to take over the world, and
that's why we wanted elephants and tires and lying in

(19:00):
the at the at the circus, because we as a
country wanted to take over the planet. So this was
evidence of what it would look like if we if
we continued our imperialism around the world. That's what that's
what we got to read about.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So we weren't celebrating in America.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
We wanted to take over the world. That's why we
like all these you know, exotic animals at the circus.
I don't know what that says about the clown car.
I don't know how that fits into their narratives, that
liberal narrative.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
But there was another display you were talking about with
Mohammad Ali and Rogers.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, so they got Muhammad Ali and he was a
you know, didn't want to go into didn't want to
get drafted, and they paint him and say he you know,
didn't he was a conscientious objector, and he lost his
heavyweight championship belt because he wouldn't go. And then they
put the other one of Roger Staubach, who was who
went to Navy, and there was a quarterback of Navy
Heisman Trophy winner played for the Cowboys, and they and

(19:53):
they wanted to introduce these two star athletes who had
great impact with Super Bowl winner in the with Cowboys again,
Heisman Trophy winner and Roger Staubach. You have a great
boxer in Muhammad Ali. And the only thing you're supposed
to know about these two is their opinion about Vietnam,
the Vietnam one, that they were one that served, one
that didn't know, and and why they didn't or why
they did and it completely escaped. What's escaped. What you

(20:16):
don't see in that in that display at all is
anything substant about why we know their names today and
and what a what a disaster that is.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, certainly the president is trying to change that, but
apparently the head of the Smithsonian is telling Donald Trump no. Thanks.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that as our good friend Mike Gonzales, Senior Fellow for
Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation, Mike, how, why are
you welcome back to the show?

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Hey guys?

Speaker 8 (20:42):
One of you I don't know who it was, just
took me back to my my childhood and queens and
in the early seventies, well, my immigrant family stopped rooting
for Muhammad Ali because he didn't want to go to Vietnam.
Really well informed by the adults. We have to now
root wherever he's fighting. Yeah, because we had just arrived
in this country and that we were loyal to this

(21:05):
country already, and.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Beautiful, Mike. The President is trying to to me museums
like this should be celebrating American history, although they aren't.
They kind of find the warts in our great history
and not the celebration. The President has asked that to change.
What kind of reaction is it getting to that request?

Speaker 8 (21:24):
Well, that, first of all, this is the role of
a national museum. The Smithsonian has twenty one museums, nine
of which are called national museums, and the role of
a national museum is to curate and preserve the heritage,
the inheritance of a people, in order to transmit it
to future generations. I was just in Europe and I

(21:45):
had a two hour tour of Obrado with a Spanish historian,
and Prado does a very good job of doing that
in Spanish history. I also went to the museum in Brussels.
The Smithsonian has stopped doing that and has joined the
opposite camp. The Smithsonian has joined the camp of the
people who want to dismantle the present regime. The President order,

(22:07):
the President American Order, dismantled that and replace it, replace
it with something new. President Trump, who intuits these things
really well because he spent you know, his youth going
to museums in New York. His father was a huge donner,
donor to the to the goggen Nheim. The President Trump wrote,
you know, it's an executive order in March, almost a

(22:30):
year ago, saying the Smithsonian had to stop doing this.
This Smithsonian had to go back to its mission. Nothing
crickets from the head of the Smithsonian, Lonnie Bunch. The
third in August, the senior people at the administration, including
the head of Policy Planning, This Hailey sent a letter
to Lonnie Bunch saying, hey, you haven't done anything. You
haven't done what we asked to do. Followed up with

(22:54):
a list of demands with what they wanted to do
on audit to prove to Lonnie Bunch how how the
Smithsonian is pushing it will contend them. And I said,
we need all this material from these eight museums. Again nothing.
Lonnie Bunch just was a political animal in Washington and

(23:14):
be in a He's very affable people. Senators Mimius of
Congress love him. He knows how to play the politics.
In December, again, the administration sent them a letter saying, hey,
you're not giving us anything, and this is where we
are right now. That deadline came and went about three
weeks ago. The Smithsonian, which get eight billion dollars from
the American taxpayer, is pretending that it is not accountable

(23:37):
to the American people.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Let me ask you. I mean, there's a I think
that a lot of the swamp and the people that
are there, they think they can outlive any administration's time
in office. And so I feel I sense that they're
just trying to run out the clock. Is this something
that they with the money they receive, is this something
that they'll be successful in doing and running out the clock?
Or will they really have to come to terms with
making some changes that really are intuitive to what as

(24:01):
you've described, what a museum should be and what it
should be uh displaying.

Speaker 8 (24:06):
Well, there's a board of trustees. This idea that art
art cannot be politicized. You know Donald Trump's philistine fingers,
We cannot be anywhere near the museum. This idea is crazy.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
If you go to a.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
Museum, whether it's the museum in Taiwan, in the museum,
and you know, in in in lit Pado, all you
see is paintings of emperors and kings. And and then
when when the politics switched with the French Revolution and
they beheaded those kings, those the revolutionaries have their own
court painters. David and Delacrois were great painters of the revolution.

(24:42):
So so art is political, and this idea and all
politics means, by the way, is that the voter gets
a the voter should have a say. The voter and
the taxpayer, you know, should be this is who everybody
should be accountable to. Yes, yes, obviously we just said
it's true. The whole bureaucracy here, the permanent state, believes

(25:04):
it is above the Hootbuloyd. Believe beliast it is above
the average American boot on, the average American boot tis player.
That's just that's that's not on, that's that's living in neverland.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Mike.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Well, I just appreciate your time and your your comments
on this. Thank you, and enjoy the rest of the evening.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Mike.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
I hope I wasn't too hot under the collar.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
No love it, Mike. Thank you Mike Gonzalez with the
Heritage Foundation here on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, n r s.
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Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't I think you're in I think there's a window. Okay,
I think you need to be dating. You're not. I
don't know what you're doing. It's kind of supposed to
be in the DNA. It's kind of the you know,
kind of there's supposed to be something primal about you know,
meeting people, and you know you're starting to look for that.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You know that in this screwed up world that we
live in nowadays, I think it would be hard to date.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Oh you know, what's so? You mean, it's so much
easier now. You can go and you can you can try.
You can talk online now instead of walking up to
someone in the cold and having to take a risk.
You can do there's all kinds of easy stuff they
can do. Half These women don't even want you to
pay for their dinner anymore. So you're going Dutch, that's cheaper.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Go do.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
It looks like it's a cake walk to me, I
think these kids have it too easy. I haven't believe
they're not doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think it's difficult today. I think it is a
is a different world today than it was when you
and I were in the dat eating Well.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'll say this, if you're a girl of dating age
and you're looking for a man, with all the messages
going out there, I think there's a lot of skinny
Jean Snowflakeuy, she went crumb cakes shrunning around out there.
That nobody no good girl the once, so that a
guy that would defend her if someone's gonna mug him.

(27:17):
They can't find a guy like that around, so I
think that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
The research shows, are you ready for this, less than
a third of people between the ages of twenty two
and thirty five are dating regularly to find as once
per month.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's unhealthy. I can't even tell you what I did
other than date when I was early all the time.
That's probably the reason I live in Utah.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Can you tell me that one time yes, you came
to Utah to find someone to date. Yes, because there
just wasn't anybody in Pittsburgh. I get back to Pittsburgh
and anything. Mormons are Amish people. They don't even know.
There's no one of my own faith. There's no one
that thinks. I mean, there's just not There's not a
lot in common. So I headed west. I was the pioneer.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I headed out west, and then I don't think I
stopped dating till the day I got married. I mean,
I think I was just I think that was the
whole goal of coming to Utah.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, the study school.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Got in there too, but you know, I think it
was a goal. I was putting a high priority on
the social the socialized. Yes, yeah, very high out study.
Fine though most young people aren't dating and they struggled,
uh to even start. It's so weak. Of course, of
course that's the case. This is what you know. Come on,

(28:35):
I don't know, I don't know. It's it can't be
that hard.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's say, it may be nature, Yeah, all right, nature, Yeah,
I would think it would be all right.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
More.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Hour number two is on his ways basically said it's
very difficult to date. You know, young people are having
a difficult time dating anymore, especially between the agents of
twenty two and thirty five.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Do you remember used to call Brigham Young University breedom
Young Universe?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
No, I don't remember that. I've never heard that.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Really, Breedom Young University. Yeah, that was a place where
you know that these kids are going to college and
getting married crazy like high rate.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, you came to BYU for that purpose?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I did. I came. I saw a conquered I did
Queen bees from American Fork. Yes, yeah, I met her
upon arrival.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, yes, well Era shared this article. Where was this from.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Your Huffington Post post? This one?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
The Dating difficult Index revealed states where dating sucked the most.
Number one is Utah.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It is Utah was found it is a quote. US
was found to be the most difficult state to date
in with the highest score in the difficulty Index at
ninety eight point eight nine percent. Here's how it measures
up single population forty four point seven percent. Average date
cost one hundred and twenty one bucks. They're looking from
the Huffington Post perspective, and this might be one of

(30:04):
the challenges. Bars per one hundred thousand people, for restaurants
per one hundred thousand people one hundred and one. Dating
app spending per capita thirty three cents, dating searches per
one hundred thousand people two thy one hundred. So that's those,
aren't I guess those Those matrix do not lend themselves
to a fertile dating you know atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Utah number one, Washington number two, main third, Iah is worse.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
These are number one worst, second.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Worst, Idaho, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, which I find difficult. Yeah,
Texas is weird. Hawaii, Virginia, and New Jersey the worst
states to find a date in.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I don't know why my home state's not in here,
because in my state, I would argue that there's just
not when any I mean, it's it's a rough state.
People look rough. Hey, they a lot of a lot
of smokers, a lot of a lot of people that aren't,
you know, exercising.

Speaker 10 (30:57):
The place does not look like Utah. Okay, so I'm Rippingale.
I'm saying Pennsylvania health, personal health is just not a
high priority in the state I grew up. And so
you know, it's like I said, it's a it's a
drinking town or a football problem. And you know that
doesn't lend itself to you know, healthy living. But I
don't see it on this list, which I'm surprised. Yeah,
that's why I got out of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Death.

(31:19):
I didn't see any prospects in that town at twenty one.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I had to get out.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, well you did, yes, and that successful you've been doing.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I appreciate. I've love this state. I have it worked out.
But I guess that was an I guess I had
a window of time.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, twenty two to thirty five. You don't get in
there by then you're done. Yeah, any rate brought up
a point. You know a lot of times people now
ask what your political affiliation is. Yeah, a Trump supporter,
they aren't going to date you.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
If you have some woman on a dating appisence, if
you like Trump, don't bother. Thanks for the heads up,
I mean, that's that's the crazy alert that just went off,
and that means you're nuts and you just want some
skinny jean, hush puppy shoe went crumb kate, you know,
loser that you want to date some some I don't know,
I don't know what. But now if they say, if

(32:06):
you like Trump, don't bother, thank you very much. That
is the that is the you're nuts and I don't
want to be near you anyway, so you know there.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I saw another article today how the friendships are now
based on whether or not you like Trump or not friendships.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's such an immature it is because, I mean, you
have to be able to I mean doesn't There's no
way people have spent their lives around people whose world
views and opinions just mirror their own. I mean you
have to have some acknowledgment that people are going to
see the world differently. There's going to be different religions,
different beliefs, and in a family chemistry of extended family,

(32:45):
there's no way everybody's seeing the world the same. And
you still can function people that are drawing these bright
lines on the politics. Be it if you're a magas
stay away, or if you're a liberal. My family has
people from different, you know, different political opinions, and we
talk about cool shows on TV. Yeay, we talk about

(33:06):
Formula one races, we talk about fun things we all.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Like I've shared with you. I have a brother who
lives in Syracuse, New York, yay, I mean he hates
Trump I mean postuff, you know what, And we've decided,
and we got to a point where it got a
little edgy between us, and I just basically said, I'm
not even going to bring it up anymore. There's more
to life than that.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So that's what family, That's the secret, is it?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You just don't have.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
If you have areas that you know, you see the
world completely different. It's just not the topic, is it. Yeah,
you talk about the sun that you actually get along.
Let's rip hey, let's let's rip on our mother in
law together. Let's do that. No, I'm just kidding, just kidding.
I love my mother in law better. You better say
it was a joke, but I don't mean that.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I'm gonna move on to this because I had a
good friend who I worked with for years in television news,
really a good guy, good thinker. Okay, And he wrote
me this the other day. Now, what have we seen
on TV all day.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Today, Greg savan i Guthries's mother.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Nothing right, nothing but stories about the new video, new
pictures being released, the apparently SWAT teams are out tonight, and.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Uh and it is there, it is, I mean, it's
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
So he wrote me this email last night, or he
wrote me. He texted me last night, and I want
I want to get your opinion on this, and maybe
get the opinion of our listeners as well. He says this.
He says, nobody seems to be saying this, so I will.
And this is the type of guy he is, right,
he writes, I'm trying to imagine the people who are
going through similar situations as the Guthries are, who are

(34:37):
equally desperate to find a loved one well, who unfortunately
don't have the microphone that Savannah Fame has. Okay, my gosh,
every cable channel is spending half or more of their
news hours covering this thing with absolutely no new information
until today. I'm confident that their research is showing people

(34:58):
potential new viewers are into this story and the reason
they're blowing it out of the water at every turn.
I don't mean to be insensitive, but I really hurt
for the desperation of people who will never get the
attention that this one is getting. So question, are we
giving this story way too much attention?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know? It's a good question. Very curious what our
listeners think about this, because when you spotted this early,
when we were doing our production memes, and I did.
I wanted to cover it, but I wasn't as glued
to it at the start. But you, being a seasoned
veteran of news and everything else, you spotted that this
thing had legs. This is going to be a highly

(35:40):
spoken about and really well covered event. And I found
myself when we were bringing up on the show, saying,
I think, because we all know Savannah Guthrie, it's almost
like it's we're having an experience at the same time
where this person that we recognize or that we've known
to some degree, just familiar on the Today Show, so
she's familiar her mother, you know. Disappearing is something that

(36:01):
we all we just it's it's news we hear at
the same time and know someone that it's involves, or
think we know just from watching on TV. But at
some point there are other people. There are homicides, there
are people that are losing their lives. There are people
that you know that I hate to say this, but
that poor woman that was on the subway where the

(36:23):
man behind her who'd been rested twenty three times and
let out every time, who just took the night he
killed her. I mean, which which got attention. I'm not
saying it didn't, but it certainly didn't get the kind
of attention that we're paying to this issue right now. Again,
I'm not being callous and I'm not trying to be dismissive,
but what is driving them? Every time I look at
it at Fox News, it is all they're talking.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yes, it is, and it is right now, and we're
looking at the monitor right now.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
And if there's something else going on in the world,
if they're showing it on Fox, it's a blurb. But
then they're back to this, even when there isn't new
information to report. They bring on the you know, the animal,
and they bring on people to talk about it, and
they start to parse every word. I've even heard it. Now,
you know, the ransom note was so well written that
it was it has to be somewhat a mastermind. This

(37:09):
list clearly is the work of a mastermind. Now we're seeing,
you know, video of the guy we're in. This is
an amateur this is amateur city. So we don't even
get the same narrative. I mean, it's just bouncing around
day by day.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, this story was starting to lose some of its
steam up until this morning, and then all of a sudden,
word is new pictures, new video comes out, So now
gain it regained some momentum? E Ray pointed out, well,
how about the disappearance of Elizabeth Smart. I was out
of the country when that happened years ago, but I
would imagine it carried a lot until it kind of

(37:42):
ran out of steam again until she was found what
nine months later? After in each of our unique stories,
I mean, here you have a young girl who is
snatched from her bedroom. I fear every parent in this country,
around the world would have Right now, you have a
celebrity's mom completly disappearing with no signs and ask getting

(38:02):
the attention, But are we giving it more attention than
it deserves? Thinking about other families out there, Greg who
are going through similar experiences and wondering where their loved
ones are.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, again, I'd love to know what our listeners think
about that, if it's if it's proportionate, if it's disproportionate,
or or why we seem to see the coverage NonStop
about it and what makes this different than other tragedies
that are happening in this country and even world all
the time. I will say that this Elizabeth Smart one
is hard for me because I didn't live outside of

(38:34):
you Tai lived in Utah at the time, so I
can certainly see why I saw a lot of coverage
because it was happening here, but I know it it
had national appeal. Yeah, you had that little girl that
disappeared in one of the Bahama islands, remember back in
the day and in the parent I think they're from
England and they were pleading for the return of their
little one and that never was I don't think that
was ever solved. But you have then John Benay Ramsay.

(38:56):
I was going to bring that up, that one, that
one that had legs. That thing went forever net ever
been solved. No, and so some of those but so
it's just it's an interesting It's with all the things
that are happening in the world right now, some of
them feel pretty dire. We're finding pretty heavy Yeah, we're
finding these bio labs that China's putting inside of it
and it's in Las Vegas and now in California, we're

(39:16):
seeing some scary things going on there. There's just a
lot going on, and I it's interesting to see how
this story is really captivated or at least the media
is reporting it like it has just captured our attention,
our full attention really today.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I mean you just look, I mean you can't stop
seeing this video. There it is again on the on
the screen.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
It's like the screen didn't even move. I looked there
five minutes ago and it was that same image. I
look back and there it is the same image of
the guy again.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, yeah, Well, want to get your thoughts on this?
Are we overplaying this one a little bit? Eight eight
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comments tonight on the Savannah Guthrie and the disappearance of

(40:08):
her mother. New video released today, pictures of somebody who
is a suspect. Now, there are reports that a swat
team has moved in in an area down there in
the Tucson area right now, and we're talking about this
story is what ten days old, nine days old now
and almost every day you can't get away from this story.
And you know, is it getting too much coverage? We

(40:29):
want to be sensitive, we understand this, but is it
getting the kind of coverages getting because of Savannah Guthrie?
And what about all those other people out there across
the country who have a loved one who has disappeared,
and it's not getting any coverage at all.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
So she was last seen on a Sunday Saturday, January thirty. First, Sunday,
February first, it was noticed that she did not attend
church and so that's when it became known that she
was missing from her family. And we are now on
February tenth, so that's ten days. Yeah, so let's go.
Let's let's go to our listeners and see what they

(41:05):
have to say about this issue and how do we
juggle it. Let's go to Troy, who's in Orum. Troy,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Writing Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (41:14):
Hi, I'm happy to talk to you guys for the
first time. The issue is about the same time as
the Discus three woman went missing, and I hope she
comes home safe. But within a day or two of that,
I read an article in the local newspaper about a
woman coming from who lives in Utah, was in Colorado

(41:36):
with some children, came home. She was last seeing in
Price and she's disappeared, And I wondered whatever happened her?
Because she's not getting any coverage. So I tried looking up,
and I don't know if she's been found or not.
And she's somebody's mother with adult kids that are frantic
looking for her. Where's the coverage for that?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah? And I know it's try. It's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
And that's the point we're trying to make, Troy. You know,
we won't be sensitive on the gu three story. We
understand this, but there are stories like you just outlined
all around the country, and where's the coverage on those stories?
I mean, it's it's a call that the media has
to make.

Speaker 11 (42:19):
Yeah, I think they're making too much out of it. Yes,
that's harsh, but it needs to be a little more fair.
Just because she's related to someone famous, good for her,
she's got to hear the president. But what about all
the other people? They matter just as much.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, they do, they do, Troit, they do. Thank you
for that phone call. Let's go to our talk back
lines to what our listeners have to say on this
subject tonight. That jammed up on me. Let's try this again.
Let's try this again. No, that's not going to play
out of there, So we'll try and we'll try and

(42:56):
get it. Okay? Is that to play?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Could do anything?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
This is Glenn and Geble.

Speaker 12 (43:03):
I said to my wife this morning, Gosh, I'll be
glad when this saga is over because I can't hardly
find any other news to read about.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, it's right, I mean it is all over.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Well that so I think the way we noticed this
is what we get ready for the show, and we're
not prepared to do three hours of that of that disappearance.
So we're we're having the same issue where we're looking
at all the issues that are breaking, all the news
stories that are happening for the day, to try and
unpack them. And this, this is this disappearance. It really
does suck the oxygen out of the room. It really does.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
And now you have the we're just passing this long.
We have monitors in the studio with all kinds of
stations on them, and of course a lot of it's
tuned to Fox News. And here they are issuing the
video again. There is a report now that swat teams
are out there going somewhere there in Tucson looking for
the disappearance of this woman. It's a tough call, Greg,

(43:57):
because you have a uh, if you're a journalist, you're saying,
we want to know what happened to this woman, all right, yep,
Savannah Guthrie's mom, We want to know what happened, you know,
and the ransom notes come. You see this video now
of someone getting into her home tonight, So you want answers.

(44:18):
But again, there are so many stories like this out there.
You're trying to figure out the best way to balance it.
And it's it's a tough call on newsrooms.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
So do you think do you you've been a member
of the media, You've been in broadcast journalism and TV radio,
you name it, does is it is part of this
It's a member of the media's family. It is a
member of the media whose parent is gone that has
drawn journalists and networks to this story more so than

(44:47):
if it were a politician or an athlete mother.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
If it's a celebrity, if they reach celebrity status, so
to speak, and it could be politics, it could be
I mean, just a politician's mother disappeared, there'd be a
lot of coverage if it's a well known Hollywood figure.
If it's a sports personality, they don't get the coverage
because of that realm of celebrity.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So it's not just the media's worried about their own
because they know her from their own social services.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I don't think. So let's go back to the phones.
Let's go to provo and hear what Carl has to
say tonight. Carl, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
Your last caller was spot on. She is of concern,
but not like every living second of my day is
the news about this lady. And it reminds me of
watching The Fugitive back in the sixties with David Janssen
wondering who the killer of his wife was. Do you
remember what?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh? Sure, Yeah, it reminds me.

Speaker 9 (45:46):
It's like a soap opera. It just keeps on going,
and I think, wait a minute, what happened to the
Somali people? What happened to the things that are going
on in Minneapolis and all the other things going on
in the country. Are we tired of watching that? Is
that the reason that they're having this on? I don't know,
but you're right about that, that you're overexposing it.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, I'm go on way too far with it.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
You know.

Speaker 9 (46:05):
If there's something breaking about it, Yeah, obviously it's public interest.
Everybody kind of wants to know. But you're right, she's
no more important than any other number of people out there.
They're in the same situation. Where's the price, lady, I
haven't heard a word about her. I'd like to know.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes, good questions, Carl, I agree completely. These are these
so I'm not alone. I just want to hear maybe,
you know, maybe our listeners could give us some good feedback.
Let's go, we have time. Let's go to Let's go
to Robert and Clinton. Robert, Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (46:38):
Yeah, good morning, Well, good afternoon, gentlemen. I think we
are for me. I think we're making too much of this.
But we, as Rod said moments ago, we want to
be sensitive to the family, of course, But even though
we're making too much of this story and blowing it up,
I understand it. And you look at celebrities. If you

(46:58):
recall so Kobe Bryant's story, they went down in the
helicopter crash, and that story went on for a week. Yeah,
and so what we do is we idolize, and we
put these folks up on a pedestal. And this is
the way it is with celebrities. And she's the mother
of a celebrity. So I understand it.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, I understand it as well, Robert. I mean, we
all understand it. But you go, where do you find
that balance?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But you know, and I think everyone's kind of saying
the same thing, But we do need we do need
information and news, and there's a lot going on on
this planet. There's a lot going on in the country
that deserves a lot of coverage. And so I think
that you start to get in the absence of anything
new happening. But you can't just keep putting this video

(47:48):
of this guy on twenty four to seven. Every time
I look over my shoulder at that monitor, it's the
same picture as the same guys. And it doesn't matter
what time of the hour it is I look back,
it's the same image. I don't think that's breaking news.
I think that's just that's so repetitive. So I think
when you break the news, fair enough, but that should
be one of a number of stories that are happening
in real time. That's the one thing that we're trying

(48:08):
to grapple with in a Trump administration is that news
comes pretty quick. Issues come very fast. This doesn't allow
for it.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
All Right, Mar coming up the Rod and Greg show
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
We're talking about the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Had a
friend who I've known for a long long time, really
respect him as a journalist, sent me a text mail
last night. He said, I don't want to be insensitive,
but you know, they say they're desperate, and you know

(48:36):
they've reached the desperation point where they want their mother returned.
We understand that, but he makes a fact, how about
all the other families out there who are missing loved ones.
They are getting the attention that this story is getting.
So why is that and is that being fair to
the other families? Interesting point he makes.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
It is a questing point. And I think that as
we've reached out to our listeners, we've gotten some great Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, let's go to the talk back lanes and here's
another comment about our topic tonight and what he has
to say.

Speaker 13 (49:09):
It's been mentioned that this news story about the kidnapping
has been going on for ten days. But one thing
about it is we're not listening to Republicans versus Democrats
year after year, month after month, hour after hour, constantly
news cycle.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
So as bad as it is that it's.

Speaker 13 (49:28):
Been a kidnapped, these last ten days has been a
relief to some degree away from politics.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Interesting comment. Yeah, there's no no politics coming into this story, Craig.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
No, No, there isn't. And look, I can see where
the fatigue sets in in terms of everything being politicized.
But again, I think there's some important things happening around
this country and the world that really do merit our attention.
But again I say, I hear myself saying that I'm
not being callous. I mean I'm not, but I just again,

(50:03):
just look over my shoulder and we're just seeing the
same thing. It's the same thing. It's on a loop.
It's just on a loop. And I just think, you know,
I just think that if this wasn't on, there there'd
be things that they'd be diving into. Well probably of
note as well.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, think about the story today, because I believe Greg
it was starting to run old.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, as we say in newsroom, it was growing a beard.
The story was, it had been going on for quite
some time, and then today you had word there are
still pictures available and those were released. Then there's video
available that was released. Now we're learning this afternoon there
is some activity involving swat down there in Tucson. We

(50:43):
don't know what that's all about. Now we have this
story right now, TMZ is reporting activity on the bitcoin account.
Now remember if in fact she has been kidnapped, The
kidnapped hers have said we want reportedly six million dollars
in bitcoin, So there's some activity there. So you know,
as the story develops, you kind of have to pay

(51:05):
attention to the new developments in the story today, and
we have. But I go back to what my good
friend said. You know, how about the hundreds of other
stories around the country of people disappearing, their families are
desperate to find out what has happened to them. Are
they getting the coverage that this story is getting today?
And is it simply because it is Savannah Guthrie's mom

(51:28):
and Savannah Guthrie co host of the Today Show. Millions
of people around the country know who she is.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I think also there's some just some strange parts of this.
Do you think do you think this will be Do
you think that they'll find her? Do you think she'll
be alive? Do you think do you think it's a
family member or someone who knows? I think any You
don't have any hint.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I don't have any idea.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, I don't either, But I wouldn't be I mean
I would I wouldn't be surprised if it was maybe
closer to home than they would like in terms of
people whoever's responsible? Yeah, I have no idea because Savannah's
spouse has a considerable net worth. I mean, I think
that's six million in Bitcoin's not gonna isn't They're not
going to skip a meet.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, you know what I mean with that? In the
video today of the guy at the door, it's just
freaky looking.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, it is. It is so. But we're gonna fall
in the same track because I think in the next
hour we're going to talk to our own specialist about
this very issue. So we're high kettle, I'm pot, you're black. Okay,
we're going to do the same thing. We're going to
talk about this issue at the top of the next hour.
But hopefully we can ask, we can angle this a
little differently on what we're hearing NonStop.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero. If
you'd like to join in on the conversation, you can
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More of your calls and comments coming up on the
Rotten Gregg Show. Just joining us now. We're talking about
the continuing coverage of the disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother,

(52:59):
Nancy Guthrie. It's been going on now for ten days.
New developments in the story today, but a lot of
people are raising questions about are we giving this story
too much coverage. Let's go to our talk back line.
We have another comment here from one of our listeners.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Hey, Rod and Greg, I think there's a reason to
cover this story a little more extensively than maybe some
other stories, because clearly the media can't cover every single
missing person NonStop, or there wouldn't even be enough time
to do that. The fact that this is a ransom issue,
and also there could be some possibilities of you know,

(53:36):
is this something a trend that high profile people are
going to be kidnapped? I think there's some interesting angles
to this that is.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Unique interesting point. She's right now. She makes a good point.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
She has, But you know, I think I think Fox.
I think at least Greg Gottfeld watches our show, monitors show,
because sometimes their content mirrors ours. I think we broached
this topic with you our listeners before Greg Gottfeld shared
his observation on the five Should I play it?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, here's what he said today on this.

Speaker 14 (54:06):
It's because this is a media centric story, and the
media love stories that.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Involve the media.

Speaker 14 (54:13):
They could put themselves in the thing. They can interview
people that know the person.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
It's all so wonderful. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 14 (54:20):
They know her, But you know what, what about the
people that.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Don't know anybody in the media.

Speaker 15 (54:25):
You know, the media could be.

Speaker 14 (54:26):
Generous with their coverage for people who aren't in the media,
for young women who are raped in murder. That's all
I'm saying. I'm not trying to be like a self
righteous because.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
And we are trying to be self righteous either. We're
just raising a point.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, And I think he makes the same point that
our listeners have made as they've called in and their
talkback live calls as well comments and to the last
one where there's a little bit more relevance where the
fate is unknown, there's a ransom out there. Of course
that there is a that is an ongoing story by
nature alone, but I think having an ongoing story that

(55:04):
every time I turn around, I see the same exact
image and I'm not kidnaped. Just turn around. It's the
same exact thing that they keep saying over and over
and over again. That's the part where you wonder is
it oversaturated?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Well, Greg, as this talkback listener said, you know the
fact that there's ransom involved to kidnapping. Now, I was
driving home last night listening to Jesse Kelly, and Jesse
Kelly was talking about in countries around the world, you
know this happens all the time. If if you have
a lot of money and there are people there who

(55:38):
know you have a lot of money, you will be kidnapped.
A member of your family will be kidnapped and they're
demanding money. And he says, this is not unusual around
other parts of the world. But this we don't hear
about this ransom notes in this case, and that's what
we're getting here, and maybe that's why it's getting the
attention that is getting today.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
You know, if you were if the one thing you
don't want to be known for doing is that you
don't want to, you know, negotiate with terrorists. You don't
want to play ball with those that are doing things
like this because you get more of it. But I personally,
I would see why I would want to pay a ransom,
even for the chance of getting a loved one back.
But what I'm surprised at is even if they've done it,
you would think that they would report they're not doing it,

(56:21):
but maybe quietly they are, just so it doesn't get
the notoriety or it doesn't show. It doesn't create an
incentive for people to start doing this more often, because
crypto is a different thing. That's different than you know,
drop the bag of money. You know it's some neutral
location for me or something that crypto changes the game
a little bit. I would think that they would want
to play ball and do that, but they wouldn't really

(56:42):
want it to be publicized because you don't want to
see more people get ideas like this.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Well, TMZ is reporting no night, there is activity in
ransom on the bitcoin account. That's where the alleged kidnapper said,
here's the amount of money I want reportedly six million
dollars in bitcoin, and there is activity on the account tonight.
That's what TMZ is reporting. Also, there are reports out
there or that swat teams are moving toward the southeast

(57:09):
section of Tucson tonight. They'll know what they're up to
and what's going on. And of course the big story
of the day. First there were still photos, then video
of someone outside a suspect we would imagine outside her home.
We don't have a time stamp on it, which would
be critical. But those are the developments today and that's
why the media again is all over this story this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yes, yep, it's all the rage. Everyone's talking about it,
you know. I we'll see what happened. Yes, we'll keep
you updated.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Well when we come back, we'll talk to a former
FBI executive about this and what he's seen in this
video today to keep you up. Debate a little bit
later on people leaving California. What impact are they having
on states they're moving too. We'll talk about that as well,
So stay with us the Rod and Greg Choke on
talk radio one oh five nine an arst the developments

(58:02):
today in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, that is Savannah
Guthrie's mom, of course. Shortly after I think it was
about ten o'clock this morning, the FBI released still photos
of a man scene, you know, with a with a
face mask on at the front door obviously trying to
dismantle the doorbell there, and then they released video you

(58:22):
can see him walking around looking I think very comfortable.
I don't know if you've seen much.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Of the video, Greg, Yeah, how could I miss it?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
How can you miss it? And we've been talking about that,
We've been talking about the coverage that has been given.
But with this video out there, we thought we'd bring
in a guest to help us analyze this video because
there are a lot of interesting things there, Greg, that
maybe you and I aren't seen.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, it's you know, there is a discussion about this,
and I think that we want to get kind of
talk to someone who's retired FBI understands this issue far
better than the two of us. Yeah, you know, yeah,
armshare quarterbacks, So it'll be interesting to hear.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
On our Newsmaker line or any hour Newsmaker line right
now is Chris Biota. As Greg mentioned, he's a retired
FBI executive assistant director. Chris, thanks for joining us tonight.
I know you've seen the video, you've analyzed it. What's
there that you find interesting?

Speaker 7 (59:15):
Chris, Well, well, you're going to see right in the
photos and the video footage that was shared. Is that
now they have an image and they have a way
to build a model around who that person could be.
It narrows down the investigative focus. That actually helps them
to develop an investigative strategy. When they can see that

(59:38):
this individual was Caucasian, it was a male, he was
there by himself, they can get a reference set of
measurements on what this individual's height and weight could be
because of the surrounding environment, and it gives them a
direction to look in. Before they were pretty much blind.
So this will help get them to form an investigative

(59:58):
strategy and it'll help them to narrow down at least
in initial field of investigative subjects.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
You know, everyone's become a kidnapping specialist. I keep hearing
all the different narratives that are going on right now.
One I heard recently was that this becomes atypical in
that there wasn't a succinct ransom note. There wasn't very
brief instructions of what to do next. It was more
open ended deadlines, maybe not the amount they were looking

(01:00:27):
for at first. Do you find anything odd? The whole
thing is odd to me, But do you find anything
odd with the process of how this kidnapping has happened,
the communication from a kidnapper, how much they want by
way of ransom timelines given? Is any of this falling
outside of I don't know what the norms of something
like this would would be.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Well, first of all, I think that we've allowed ourselves
to be hypnotized into what norms are. Yeah, there are
no normal kidnapping. I think what you have is a
series of behaviors that you can start to look at
as a model. Right, So you know, we tried to
give these people sometimes more credit than they deserve when

(01:01:11):
it comes to being a very calculating and almost a
professional criminal. I mean many times I used to tell
people we used to rely on the incompetence of the
criminals to have them reveal themselves and then be apprehended
because a lot of them aren't very smart. This individual

(01:01:34):
did not seem to be a professional in any sense
of the means, and seemed to be alone. There wasn't
any indication of anybody else in the area. But I
just think that we're going to have to let this
develop a little bit more before we do that. But
I do think that it looked very amateurish, I'll put

(01:01:56):
it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But he also looked very, very very comfortable, does he not, Chris?
I mean, he doesn't seem to be in a hurry.
He's taking his time at the front door, doing what
he can to disarm that camera there. He seemed to
be in no hurry.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
Well, he may have had familiarity with the person who
has been abducted and the facility itself. He may have
been there before. He may have been a visitor, He
may have been someone who provided service at the residence
and he knew what was there. You know, it's all
speculation at this point, but he did seem to be quite,

(01:02:35):
as you put it, at ease walking up to the
front door and then disarming that camera.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
You know, this is just maybe pulling out a little
bit to your point that you know, we try to
normalize these things or there really isn't anything normal about
any of it. But I am struck by the continuous
coverage of this. I know that Savannah Guthrie's kind of
been on our radar screen, She's been a presence on
the Today Show for quite some time, but this canpping

(01:03:00):
seems to be twenty four to seven, even when there
doesn't seem to be breaking news to really add to
the story. Are you struck by how how much coverage
and continuous coverage that this kidnapping is receiving right now?

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
Actually, yes, I am, And actually I was talking to
my wife about this, and it's a it's an ethical dilemma.
When there are other kidnappings of similar type, they don't
get this type of attention, they don't get this type
of action, they don't get a response like this one has.
And you know, I know that the you know, if

(01:03:35):
you can say, part of that equation is the celebrity
that is involved, but it's it's something that people are
going to look at and say what about this and
what about that? And I had somebody who was abducted
at one point never got this kind of response. I
think that maybe it's a slow media cycle I'm not sure,

(01:03:55):
but I did think that more of this reporting has
been done to fill the news cycle that it has
to actually advance the investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah, since this has been on release this morning and
there's been nothing but NonStop coverage of this video, I
mean people are seeing that one hundred times over and
over again, Chris, Chris. Knowing that they have video, now,
what is the what are some of the steps they
would be going through to see if they can get
a clearer picture of who this person is.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Well, they're gonna start looking at them. They're gonna do
a forensic check on the video, right, They're gonna they're
gonna start to build that model of again, who is
this person? What, what are their characteristics. They're gonna look
at them walking up to the camera. They're gonna look
at the fact that it's a Caucasian mail They're gonna
look at They're gonna figure out what the height is,
the weight approximately, They're gonna and they're gonna start putting

(01:04:45):
that into a model with other investigative data that they've
already probably started developing. When it comes to what vehicles
were in the area, They're gonna look at license plate readers,
any or any kind of surveillance equipment in the area,
home video systems, They're going to look at any kind
of cell phone registrations in the area. They're also looking

(01:05:09):
probably to see is does this have a southern border nexus.
They're going to talk, They're going to be looking at
border crossing data. They're going to look at all different
data sets and try to overlay and see what starts
becoming common or what has commonality. And then they're going
to take what they know about this individual based upon

(01:05:29):
the footage, and then again they're going to try and
build that investigative model. And if not to specifically identify
this person, it is going to be to exclude other
circumstances that will take up their time and energy and
resource as opposed to looking for this person. It's equally
as important to exclude as it is to include an

(01:05:52):
investigative activity.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Chris, thank you for joining us. Chris Piota, he is
a retired FBI executive assistant director giving us his thoughts
on the video and the still pictures that were released today.
And Greg, you know, he had to go with I
wanted to ask him this question. You raised the point
I thought that camera had been disabled where they finding
the video.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Whoever did this, they had disabled the camera. There wasn't
any video available that showed this. But certainly I mean this,
if you watch this, the guy's trying to put flowers
or try and obstruct the cameras the camera. Yeah, but
I I know that we were told when this first
happened that that camera had been turned off. And yeah,

(01:06:37):
but you know, they might have been just saying that
to preserve that evidence and see if they could run
with it. Maybe someone not knowing that they were on
their trail or.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
They you know, it's what we're ten days into this.
Maybe it took a little while to retrieve this video,
you know, I and that that could be the case.
I'm no technical expert, so that could be the case.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
There is I saw this when we had the horrific
assassination of Charlie Kirk here in the state. But I
was at least privy to some of the work of
the FBI and local law enforcement, and there was an
ongoing debate about how much do you make available to
the public versus how much do you hold close to
your vest as clues, not letting whoever it is know

(01:07:16):
that you have images of them. That you know what
they look like and then and so there's there's two
schools of thought that with that. One is using you know,
the sourcing of all the public. If you show them something,
you get leads. The other is, you know, don't make
all that public information because some of the stuff that
you see there will be unique if the person you apprehend,

(01:07:37):
if they know certain facts. But if everyone's seen the
same scenes and the same things, they could have got
it from TV. So anyway, there's there's two ways to
do it. They might have held it back hoping to
use it as a clue or use it as a
way to crack the uh you know, the crack the case.
But now they're showing it because maybe there's a way
that someone will recognize the body shape, the mannerisms, the

(01:07:58):
you know, there's a there's a there's a girth, there's
the size of that guy. He's not I can tell
you he's not skinny. No, unless he's really layered up
in clothes, he's not looking like a thin guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
The interesting thing, Greg he felt if you look at
the video like we have asked, he's not in a rush. No,
you know he's doing he's taking his time like he
pulled a plant up or something to try and hide
the camera. It is very dark there. They say they
don't allow a lot of street lights in that community
because they enjoy the sky and the stars at night there.

(01:08:31):
But you have to wonder, is this somebody who knows
the family or the family knows him. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I would guess yes, only because I think that if
I and again it's a guess, but you would need
to know someone has the net worth to bitcoin to
send in bitcoin six million bucks, that's just not chump change,
and that's not everybody can't isn't able to do that.
There has to be some understanding that whoever she's related to,
and I mean there would be the ability to pay Yeah,

(01:09:00):
hi ransom.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Yeah, all right, more coming up, Rod and Greg with
you on this Tuesday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. You'll be shocked to hear this, Greg.
You know, last week we had a lot of callers
weigh in on the student protests at the various schools. Yes,
around the city, they're protesting nights right. Well, apparently the
school districts are now concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You think they should be. It's nice to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Represented from the Granite, Salt Lake City and Ogden school
District Apparently, according to this story, have messaged parents warning
them about the potential negative repercussions of demonstrating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
They are they blaming the parents? Are they saying to
the parents that there could be there could be there
could be trouble. I don't I don't get that. So
they're telling the parents. Who are they telling the parent?
They should be sending apologies to the parents that they
let those kids out? And Max too, What do you
mean they're telling the parents like there could be negative repercussions?
I mean, no kidding, Why did you let her kids out?

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yeah, they shouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
We had a listener, that is a teacher that said,
you can't stop them. But why can't? I am telling
you that there is no way on earth that they
could at any whim decide that they're all just gonna
take a walk and they're all gonna be like, okay,
well see you see it for the day. I don't
buy that. There's not a way to prohibit that or
to stop that kind of walkout.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Well, I, like I said, Greg, two things. First of all,
these schools are these kids are losing out. But how
about the kids who did not protest? Did they have
a lesson? I'm a lesson. They're sitting there all by themselves.
I mean, these school districts, I'm not sure what you
can do. You know, if they want to walk out,

(01:10:42):
what do you do? Lock the doors?

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
And here's the thing, if you were if I were
their age, you bet I wouldn't just walk out. I
would run out, but I would not have one interest
in whatever the topic was. I just see an escape route.
I'm going. I'm out. I'm just kidding, Okay, I don't
care what the politics is. How many kids just used
as an excuse to get their weekends started earlier and
just left school. It's an unexcused absence and they don't

(01:11:06):
give a whit about what it is they've been told
to care about. They just love the opportunity to leave.
And now who knows where they are now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
The school district said they are not aware of any
organized event. No, this was just organic by Yeah. Yeah,
I'm not buying that one either.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
No, that's too bad, that's their answer, because you know
that's a here no evil see, no evil speak no evil.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, but the first time it happened, Greg, if I
would have been in a school district, I would have
said to my school district, do not follow what you're
seeing in other school districts. There will be repercussions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Well, I'll tell you what. There's been a lot of
money spent. The legislatures put money towards school safety, and
school safety is supposed to be about the closed campuses
where you're trying to secure that both inside and out,
because there could be violence that breaks out from within
the school and high schools, usually from the small like
elementary and middle schools, that comes from outside in. But
either way, there's been a lot of thought, a lot

(01:12:03):
of resources given or appropriated to keep those schools secure
and safe. And I would think that mass walkouts would
fit into something you could secure the school and keep
from happening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Well, I was just thinking, uh, Greg, what would happen? Uh,
you know if a student walked out in front of
a car and got hit?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I do? I mean I know that I knew that
the school districts would divorce themselves of any liability, any
responsibility whatsoever. But when you let all that happen and
you saw kids jumping out in front of cars. I
saw it. I mean, it does pose a threat and
the rest of the kids and they're just it's like
a mob mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
We've got a caller on the show who wants to
weigh in on this. Steve is Granger. Tonight, Steve, how
are you welcome to the Riding Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I'm doing well, guys. I was just about to comment
when or hear you comment, because you've said this like
a year ago, first stars on her not walk out.
I'm running today thinking the same thing. Yeah, me too,
I'm going but nowadays with politics and everybody won't want

(01:13:09):
to be shunned. Then my other kids that don't want
to be involved in that kind of protest, Hey, they're
not going to say anything.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
They're just free day as school exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:13:19):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, ye should we want to fit in with the kids, yea,
we'll just.

Speaker 9 (01:13:24):
Walk up the street with them. We won't hold a flag,
but we'll just walk up and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Or we'll slip off the small corner, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yep, Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. That's exactly what I
had done. I would have been I would have been
the I would have as soon as I see those
doors open. Everyone's heading out. I'm heading out. I'm not
even I'm not even.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
And you don't care what the causet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I'm not even. Actually, I'm not even going That capital
is uphill. I'm not even going that way. I'm going
somewhere else. I'm gonna go seven to eleven. I'm gonna
go somewhere else. But I'm not going there. Was it
at East they had to up walk up that hill.
That's pretty good clubs from West to West Hills. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I go straight up that hill. I wouldn't even I
wouldn't even leave myself to do it. My student protest
would be get out on a Friday, my weekend, starting early,

(01:14:06):
and as soon as I'm out the door, that was
my statement. I'm gone. You're going somewhere else. I'm not
even going up to the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Don't care what cause it was, You're just out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah, And I got a believer's kids like that. They
just you know, they don't care about the cause or
just it's a way to not have to sit in
a boring class. No, I mean that's what kids think.
They're not like on the edge of their snoring classes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Yeah, all right, Moore coming up final half hour The
Rodden Greg Show with you on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can ars California because.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
That's a punchline.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yeah, California, California. That's all you need to say anymore.
I mean, there are people who just say it is
a disaster. We've talked about the fact that they're two
big oil refineries are shutting down.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Does you haven't built There's not one being built in
America since seventy seven, So why don't you do this?
Shut down the ones we have makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
They're now talking about a huge wealth tax, and and
all the kazillionaires who live there in California are leaving.
I heard today Zuckerberg is going to Florida with a
new hole.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Well it's funny because I guess all these these guys
were donors to these Democrats that are pushing for this attax,
and so they're giving them a lot of grief, and
all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Gavin Newsom's like,
why are we doing this? Yeah, I don't know, this
might not work. That's because your your war chest and
everyone that donated to it. You're going after them. But
you know what they made their bed. I don't want

(01:15:29):
to hear them going to I don't want to hear
about them going to Florida. You you made this bed
called California, you go sleep in it. Let them tax you.
They turned on you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yeah, good. Well. The concern that we've had, Greg is
people who leave California come to states like Utah, come
to states like Idaho, Arizona, Nevada, and bring their California
ideas with them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
So they wipe out their idea. Yeah, you go and
vote for the worst people there. They do this to you.
Then you leave, you come here, and sometimes I don't
know that people have learned the lesson.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yeah, well, I don't think they have. Joined us on
our newsmaker line to talk about that right now is
Linda Deno. She is an Associate dean of Academic Affairs
and Administration at the University of Arizona. Thank you, Linda
for joining us tonight. A few years ago I mentioned
this earlier in the show today. This was years ago.
I saw bumper sticker up in Idaho said please don't

(01:16:19):
California kate Idaho. Well what about Idaho? What about Utah?
What about other states who now are being impacted by
California residents, they don't want to live there anymore. Are
you concerned about the ideas they may be bringing with them?

Speaker 16 (01:16:32):
Well, you know, I am seeing quite a bit that
makes me nervous. On the one hand, it looks like
everybody who's leaving California should be a Republican. The numbers
say they're Republicans by large amounts. Really it's crazy. But
I do think that what happens in many cases is
that when they come here, they might bring a Republican

(01:16:53):
leaning party identification. Maybe, But let me give you an
example of something that happened in twenty four Donald Trump
won the state by about fifty two point two percent
of the vote, as I recall something around that, But
on the same ballot in Arizona was a constitutional amendment

(01:17:13):
protecting abortion the right to abortion, and it won by
almost two to one, same election, same electorate. And so
what you have are I think social issues, sometimes environmental
issues that the supposited Republicans are bringing with them from California.
And they may be against the worst excesses of newsom gruesome,

(01:17:35):
but they're still bringing their liberal politics here. I think
that's that's a big concern, and I imagine it's probably
going to be the case for other mountain states like
Utah and Idaho and so forth.

Speaker 15 (01:17:48):
That's my thought. Now we'll see, But now I think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
There's something to that. I think that we saw in
the mid two thousands, Colorado was a dependably red state,
and they had a red you know, we're probably in
governor or two Republican US senators anyway, the majority in
their state house and senative Republicans, and that is a
solidly blue state now. And a lot of people pointed
to the end the in migration from California other places

(01:18:13):
changing Colorado. So it looks like there are states that
are vulnerable to that where people are moving. But is
it a state by state maybe question, because Florida doesn't
seem to be suffering from this population growth and becoming
more of a swing state. They were a swing state,
and they seem to be more solidly on the red
side than before. I don't know about Texas. I don't

(01:18:35):
know if that's becoming more conservative, but I would imagine so.
But then I think states like Arizona, Colorado has already happened,
and even Utah might be susceptible to liberals or people
that are more progressive. Moving here, do you see a
trend by state and what states would be attractive to
people wanting to get away from California?

Speaker 15 (01:18:53):
And I see here's the trend. I see week leadership.

Speaker 16 (01:18:57):
I think that Florida, especially under Ronda Antis, is just
not tolerating liberal policies becoming part of state law or
even in many cases local law. Whereas it's interesting if
you look at the twenty twenty two election in Arizona,
where they just swept all the top statewide offices. Democrats did,

(01:19:18):
but most of them were by tiny margins. I mean,
the governor won by seventeen thousand votes. The attorney general,
who's just a nightmare. Sorry, I don't know how else
to say. It's you said that ice agents will you know,
they should be careful coming here because we have constitutional
carry and they'll get shot in the face.

Speaker 15 (01:19:38):
I'm paraphrasing a bit.

Speaker 16 (01:19:39):
But she only won by two hundred and eighty votes,
and there were massive allegations. I'm just going to say
it like that, a voter fraud throughout Maricopa County that
you know, certainly could make the difference. Even in the
twenty twenty election where Trump won here, but we can
leave that aside. The lack of leadership, or maybe another

(01:20:02):
way to put it is there's no pushback anymore on
liberal policies, and without that, there's no strong Republicans that
really stand out in the state right now. I think
there's some up and comers, but Utah, I'm not as
familiar with Utah politics. I'd like to think that somebody
wouldn't come into Utah and be able to pass a

(01:20:23):
you know, a pro abortion constitutional amendment.

Speaker 15 (01:20:25):
But yeah, you know, things do change quickly.

Speaker 16 (01:20:28):
California was once a relatively conservative state.

Speaker 15 (01:20:31):
I lived there.

Speaker 16 (01:20:32):
Then, you know, it's a tough call to say, what's
the difference. I mean, Texas right now is also standing
very firm. They just it's such a big place that
you're going to have so many different pockets of things
going on there. I just I think that in the
case of Arizona, it's a it's a short drive.

Speaker 15 (01:20:54):
Again.

Speaker 16 (01:20:55):
You can be in Arizona and quickly get back to
family or even business in back in California. You can
have cheaper housing, you can have lovely weather all the time,
but you don't have to have crime and the other
things that make California so miserable right now in the
high taxes, high housing costs. I don't know about the

(01:21:16):
states farther away. I think you have to be more
purposeful about it to move to Texas, Linda.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Is it fair to say that the conservatives coming out
of California and maybe moving to see these other states
are fiscally conservative but liberal when it comes to social issues.

Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
I think that's exactly the point.

Speaker 16 (01:21:32):
In many cases, yes, And again it doesn't make sense
to me why you would do that, because it's those
liberal on social issues that's causing the problem in California, right,
I mean, okay, never mind the fiscal problems, I get that,
But California's always been so wealthy. It's only been recently
that the fiscal problems have been problematic. I mean, you

(01:21:54):
know what I'm saying. I mean, with Silicon Valley and
those other things. California could get away with being entirely
fiscally irrespondle until recently. But it's the policies about crime,
the policies about homelessness, the policies about DEI, all of
those things that have caused the real living problems in California.

(01:22:14):
The housing costs are because of environmental craziness and so on,
and so it'll drive you a little crazy if you
think about it too much. Why are you leaving there
to just bring those stupid policies here?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
You're here, so let me ask you this. Donald Trump
won every swing state in this last election, which suggests
that even in some of these blue states or even
swing states that look like they might be becoming blue,
there is a chance. And they maybe even some blue
states that were giving like Pennsylvania, giving Trump a chance
where they had been solidly Republican a Democrat for so long.

(01:22:49):
It's fine if you move somewhere and you want to
advance some of these liberal policies, but does it catch
up with you. Does a state have a chance to
self correct and maybe come back after a couple of
cycles of Democrat leadership or lack of I.

Speaker 16 (01:23:06):
Think Arizona does, I really do. I think Arizona does,
because there's still a lot of good, solid people in Arizona.

Speaker 15 (01:23:12):
You know Trump.

Speaker 16 (01:23:13):
It's it's a little bit unfair to make too many
generalizations based off Trump's electoral victories because we have yet
to see how Trump's coalition is going to carry forward
in the Republican Party. But Trump, Trump really was able
to cross a lot of lines. You know, you could
talk about fiscal conservatism versus social conservatism, and or you

(01:23:34):
can just talk about elites versus the average Joe and
lo and behold, some some billionaire real estate guy is
the one who reaches out and understands what bothers the
average Joe. And so I don't know how that coalition
is put back together.

Speaker 15 (01:23:50):
Maybe JD.

Speaker 16 (01:23:51):
Vans can do it, Maybe Marco Rubio can do it.
They're both, you know, turning out to be pretty pretty
good choices, but neither one of them is a Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
There aren't too many people who are like Donald Trump. Nope, Nope.
He is a unique individual.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Yeah, he has superpowers in the what the media has
been very used to and the Democrats leftist of destroying
someone's political career or just minimizing him beyond recognition. It's
just it bounces off of him. He just has too
long of a history with the American people. He's been
on the radar screen for so long, back into the eighties,
and and and just there's just that they can't do

(01:24:29):
what they've always done to politicians, and it drives them crazy.
I think that's the heart of Trump derangement syndrome. Is
all of their usually high, high successful, highly successful tactics
do not work on him. If you think about all
the things he's been through and what they've attacked him with,
there's not a lot of political there's there's a political
graveyard attached to those types of tactics, but not with him. Yeah,

(01:24:51):
I mean, he just does not blink and the American
people trust him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Was it Reagan who they called the teflon President? Was
it Reagan?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
It might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
I can't but he certainly is because nothing seems to
stick no matter how hard they try, nothing seems to stick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Yeah, and they overshoot so much that there's just cynicism
with everything they do with him. But you watch they
go tack the next Republican. I don't know if they'll
have the same teflon like nature that Trump has.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I worry we'll have to see. All right, more coming up,
Final thoughts coming your way on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS. Recently, the Institute for Supply Management
calculated it's January twenty sixth index, which indicates that the
president is manufacturing is about to surge. Manufacturing good is

(01:25:39):
about to surge in the United States with its strongest
expansion in years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Wow. And the new survey basically showing that the American
people are very confident that the stock market will get
even better in the next six months. I mean it's
above fifty thousand now, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
That's good for that's good for retirement accounts and everything else.
And I do think we're seeing those signs again. I'm
still waiting for the high sign from Queen Bee that
things are looking up. But I think as personal income
is rising and is it outpaces inflation, and then you
see these times. I mean Steven Moore, he told us
our tax return should be more healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
So get ready.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
It looks like good times are coming.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
We'll see all right, That does it for us tonight,
Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family in this great country of ours. Enjoy your Turnsday Tuesday.
We're back tomorrow. It's Lord

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