The Rod and Greg Show: Utah's Wacky Weather; Update on Economy with Steve Moore

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have we kicked you out of the state, You're never
coming back? Is that the Is that the old way
I'm coming back? Is that the storyline?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know what, though, they're really nice here is this
iHeart station. They're very nice. They have two conservative talk
radio shows here. There's some good, good people here, and
they're very nice to me.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
The kitchen has better snacks than ours too. Just say,
I'm just saying. I'm just putting that out there. I
think with cuts iHeart has done away with our snackies. Well,
I got to tell you something. They didn't do that here.
I take pictures of it when I leave to bring
it home to show you, you know how the how
the other half live.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, okaykay, if you insist, and you if you insist,
all right. We have got so much to talk about today, Greg,
and we're going to get into it. I mean, we've
got the Gutlass Wonders known as the Salt Lake City Council.
We've got a Lieutenant governor who apparently is offended by
Mike Lee. We'll get into that. We'll talk about that.
Chase Thomason from Channel two, our partners at KU TV,

(00:54):
will be joining us in just about fifteen minutes. We'll
all talk about this weather today. Greg it again in
the eighties. Today, this is the last day of winter today. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I got questions for our meteorologist because I've just
I always hear different things about, you know, the snowpack
and about if you know, if it gets too late
in the if it gets too close to June and
you haven't seen the melt happen or the runoff happen,
it could be in trouble. We could be in trouble.
I'm hearing that this might not be good to have
it happened earlier. I just it doesn't matter what happens.

(01:25):
It's always bad news. That's all. That's all I know
about the weather. It's always bad news. So I want
I want some answers.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
All right, we'll get you some answers. A little bit
later on, during a meeting in the White House today
with the President and the Japanese Prime Minister, Scott Besson
made an interesting observation. We'll talk about this at the
bottom of the hour. Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary, says,
there are people who are now coming over to our
side in Iran. He said it's the story that's not

(01:51):
being reported right now, but there are quite a few
people in Iran who are now coming over to the
side of the US and saying, what can we do
to make this change permanently happen. A story that's not
being reported, but apparently there are some defections greg which
is I think what Donald Trump has been hoping for.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, that, you know, and what what I think that
signals is that if you have people within the military,
within the government of Iran that it is giving up,
then they know better than anyone how bleak it is
and how pointless it could be, and so they're looking
to you know, survive themselves, but also maybe be part
of some new trajectory for Iran. I think it's much

(02:30):
like the number two under Maduro when they when we
apprehended Maduro and took him to New York to face charges,
the number two person in charge. She began to work
with the United States like Venezuela had never done before.
Maybe some of these people that are that are surrendering
and giving up could be part of a you know,
a government regime or or something positive.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Maybe yeah, could be could be So we'll get into
that as well. We've got a lot to go on,
a lot to get to today, but we will talk
about Lieutenant Governor Dietra Henderson. Apparently, I guess her feathers
have been ruffled because Mike Lee did not call her
and say what do you think about this save act?
Dietra Apparently he didn't, and she's highly offended of it.

(03:12):
So now she's she's saying it's the worst thing ever.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well is she does? She does, she opposes a save actor.
I want to I look forward to going over this
with our listeners, the areas of concern that she has,
because I think that the smarting, smartest listening audience and
all the land we'll see through these objections pretty quickly
and be surprised that our lieutenant governor, the chief elections
officer of our state is even making these arguments that sound,

(03:38):
in my to my my estimation, sound exactly like what
the Democrats are saying about this. They're very shallow arguments,
they are not very substantive, and I we'll get into
that later in the program.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, we'll get into that in the five o'clock here
and get some of your reaction. But let's start off
breaking news yesterday New York Times ran a big story
on allegations being made against Caesar Chavez, the founder of
the did farm Workers Union, of an activist activists admired
by Democrats around the country, and immediately everybody's thinking, Okay,
what are we going to do here now? Already today

(04:11):
the California they had a Caesar Chavez Day. It is
no longer. It's now called the farm Workers Day. That
they've changed the name. Immediately, and you have that doesn't
roll off the time as well, Yeah, you had. You
had numbers of the number of schools around the country,
the number of streets named after him. But here in
Salt Lake City, I guess our gutless wonder of a

(04:33):
city council wants to study this a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I think the the official response from the Salt
Lake City Council on Chavez is that they are aware
of the recent reports regarding Caesar Chavez, a civil rights advocate.
They recognize the gravity the concerns being raised. Yes, okay,
they go on to say that they do not they're
not okay with, you know, violence against women. They they

(05:00):
want you to know that. Okay. But here's the most
important part that you need to know from the Salt
Lake City Council they are will continue to monitor the
developments and consider next steps. They're going to monitor the developments. Now,
this man I think passed away in ninety three. I
think I don't think he's around to refute what has

(05:20):
been said about him. His family has come out with
a formal statement acknowledging the report from The New York Times,
the investigative report, as being accurate. I don't know what
needs to develop over the sixty years that this woman
had said that she had lived with this secret. I
don't know what development the Salt Lake Council is looking
for to happen between now and say, I don't know tomorrow.

(05:44):
But they are monitoring. They are monitoring the situation in
real time. I'm sure there's like a situation room at
the Salt Lake City Council where they've got monitors on,
you know, watching the news, making sure they can monitor
this Caesar Chavez to see what is going to happen now.
I don't know. It sounds like a clown show to me.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
It is so typical of Democrats. Greg your former committee.
You study it, you study it, you study it, and
guess what you do absolutely nothing. Now, we do have
a Caesar Chavez Boulevard here on Fitz South and Salt
Lake City. But apparently the council, I don't know what
they're waiting for. Maybe a revelation.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Maybe maybe you didn't hear the statement. Run they're monitoring
it there, they're monitoring. So they've got a room sit
up over at city Hall. It is a situation room.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's a situation room. You've got all these staffers taking
a look at everything, monitoring this situation to make sure
that what is being the allegations being made against him
are actually true, or maybe they aren't true. I don't
know what.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, well, they suspect developments because they say they're going
to monitor development, so that means more's coming. This man
who's passed away, who's not going to refute any of this,
but there must be more coming. There's developments that they
are monitoring to decide what their next steps will be. Hmmm,
I don't know. I think if you don't know by now,

(07:04):
you might not know more tomorrow about this situation. But
you know that's just me.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, Well, I have a feeling, Greg, the the story
is pretty well settled. I mean, you've got people, I
think so, I mean, what was that his A woman
who worked with him has already come out ad minted
she's been raped twice by him, had children by him. Uh,
and she kept it secret because she didn't want to
hurt the farm workers union. I would think that would
be pretty strong evidence is to do something about this,

(07:30):
wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
This is a yeah, the New York Times too, that's
their that's their so that's their soulmate, the New York Times.
I mean, they love the New York Times. And you know,
I think that this is a multi year investigation. I
don't know what more you're going to find by way
of developments than what's been reported. Even California here, you know,
the in the left coast here and the People's Republic

(07:51):
of California, they are already immediately making changes. But but
the Slack City Council, they're in they're in monitor mode
of development. They got they they're just monitoring the developments
that are coming their way. And by the way, they
give you a nice, nice, nice phone number if you've
been a victim of a sexual assault, they got they
got a hot line for you too. Oh yeah, wow,
oh yeah. That so they've got that going for him.

(08:14):
They want you to know they're they're very sensitive to this.
But they're so sensitive they're gonna monitor. They just monitor.
They're so sensitive they can't make up their mind. And
that's what to do.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
But the answer, the answer is pretty easy, folks, take
the sign down. I mean, how difficult of a decision
is that.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It doesn't seem like a hard one to me, doesn't
look like a profile courage at all. I think it's
one of those. I think that's one of the basic
ones you could probably get right pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, that's true. All right, We've got a lot to
get to now, this wacky weather. What a day it's
been today, and we're going to talk with Chase Thomason
from ku TV, our news and weather partner. He'll be
joining us talking about what is going on with the weather.
That's all coming up on the Thursday afternoon edition of
The Roden greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine can Arrest. It's so nice. I know you're

(09:00):
down in San Diego where the weather seems to be
always nice, but up here it is so nice today.
I mean I got in the car to go get
a drink, I couldn't put my hand on the steering wheel.
It was hot.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I like it, and I like the heat. I
like it.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, let's find out what's going on. Joining us on
our news maker line right now or any hour Newsmaker
Line is Chase Thomason. Of course, Chase KUTV two news
expert joining us today to talk about this. Chase, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Hey, thanks for having me. I'm great. How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
We're doing just fine. Now, Greg, I gotta tell you
a story about Chase Now. He won. I think he
won a national award for doing this. It was last
year or two years ago. He snowboarded down one of
Utah's slopes and gave his television forecast at the same time. Really,
he didn't miss a beat. I mean I was waiting
for him to fall because I saw him doing it.
He didn't miss a beat, and his cameraman was right

(09:51):
there with him all along the way. I think, didn't
you win a national award for that craziness?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Chase?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I sure did.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I won an Emmy Award for it. Oh, Emmy, Emmy. See,
I just thought you were just the best dressed guy
in town. I thought the tailor suits. I thought that
was your claim to fame. I didn't know you were
a snowboard in your weather forecast. That's a whole new
that's a whole next level. I'm a dual threat, they say.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
A duel threat.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
All right, Chase, let's talk about the weather. What on
earth is going on?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Man?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's hot out there this afternoon, the last day of winter.
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (10:23):
That is yes, Spring officially starts tomorrow and we are
ending winter on it really on a hot note. I mean,
this is kind of crazy. It's mid March, right. We
have shattered the record. The old record was seventy five
degrees and so far we've hit eighty today in Salt Lake.
We might be even hotter than that over the next
couple of days. So it's pretty remarkable to see this

(10:45):
heat this early.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So here's my beef, Chase, because I swear to you,
if we have the biggest snowstorm in the world, the
next report I hear is but it didn't help our snowpack,
or if it's if we've had it cold temperatures through
March and cold through April, and then I start to
hear well, you know it's gonna become June. It's gonna
get so warm so quickly. Now the runoff is going

(11:07):
to cause flooding, and that's terrible. Now we have a
March that's warm, and if the if the snowpack melts early,
that's terrible too. Is there any version of this weather
that isn't somehow catastrophic. I swear it's always negative.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You know, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
I think just what you're just living in some you know,
some crazy times. We had the most epics snow year
three years ago. It was our all time snowiest year
where we had over nine hundred inches at Alta, and
then this winter was our lowest snowpack on records. So
you're just seeing these big fluctuations. So we're not making
this up. We're just seeing these big spikes, whether it's

(11:46):
too much snow or not enough snow. And now we're
just seeing record heats. We're just kind of seeing all
over the place weather, Jase.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
It seems like everything has shifted a little bit eastward.
I mean, I'm looking at the winter in my family.
I come from upstate New York. They got plastered by snow.
Ye what was a wicked snowstorm in the Midwest, and
it seems like everything has shifted to the east and
we're left out here dry in the west. Is it
is it El Nino? Is it Laina? Is it another Nina?

(12:13):
What do you see happening on a global scale?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Okay, so over the winter, it was a Lannina pattern,
which typically does put a ridge of high pressure over
the desert southwest and it kind of has the act
of weather stay to our north and stay to our east,
and that's kind of what happened. Utah kind of is
always in the middle of these patterns, so La Nina
doesn't have a huge impact overall on.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Utah, and same thing with El Nino.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
But when we have a big ridge of high pressure
like we just had that kind of parked itself over
southwestern portions of the United States, it moved that jet
stream just north of Utah. So we actually saw you know,
decent precipitations staying just to our north up in Montana,
portions of Idaho and Wyoming, and that jet stream just
never really made it down into northern Utah. And then

(13:02):
when that happens, when you have high to the west,
you typically have areas of low pressure to the east,
and so storm after storm would hit the Midwest, hit
the East coast. I know my mother in law lives
in New York City. I got NonStop messages of just
how terrible their winter was, and it was, you know,
balmy and sunny.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I'll winter here, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Chase here's helped me out. The accelerating, the accelerating snow melt.
So if it does start to melt earlier, your runoff
begins in March, it doesn't, it doesn't happen. Maybe it
does in April or May. Usually why is that a
negative thing? I would think that the runoff would find
its way to George River, it'd find its way to
reservoirs as normal. It would just happen sooner than later.

(13:40):
But it's but I'm reading stories that this ultimately results
in less water. If if the if you're accelerating the
snow melt, why why is that?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I mean, it's it's what you ideally want is a
slow process, because unfortunately, you know, we may measure the
snowpack way up at nine thousand feet and higher, so
it's really the snow that's way up there. And so
when you have a nice slow steady snow melt that
the ground temperature is still staying cold, it's still staying frozen,

(14:11):
so that runoff can go into those rivers, into those streams,
and then eventually our reservoirs. When you have this rapid
snow melt, the soil temperature in the lower levels of
say between six thousand and nine thousands feet is drying out.
I mean, I went on a hike today with my
dog and all the trails up in Park City are
already dry and typically mud season right now. So that

(14:34):
snow melt is going to be rapidly coming down, and yes,
it's going to be going into our rivers and streams,
but a lot of it is going to be seeping
into the soil and not the rivers and the reservoirs.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
So if you kind of have a slow, steady melt off,
then it can run off into those reservoirs.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Change. I know I'm asking you this because I know
it's going to drive my co host nuts, But Chang,
how much trouble are we in this spring and water
as we look toward the summer at this point?

Speaker 6 (15:05):
You know what, I think we're gonna be in trouble.
But if we see one more bad snow year, then
we're gonna be in major trouble, because again, we did
have a couple of really good snowpacked years a couple
of years ago. But you know, last year was slightly
below normal. This winter is the lowest on record. But
I think you know, our reservoirs were still doing okay,

(15:26):
and we had an all time record October, and our
soil moisture is okay. So I think we're gonna be
okay unless we don't see any rain this spring or summer.
Then you know, we're gonna have a lot of wildfires.
And again, eighty percent of our wildfires are human cause.
So if we were all just smart, we would do okay.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
But you know, as we.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Look at history, we're not that intelligence, right If.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's a commentary without a commentary, j Yeah, Hey, Jase,
thank you. I know you're busy. We appreciate a few
minutes of your time. You and the team over there
do a terrific job, not only for us, but for
the entire state. So thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Jase, Hey, thanks for the chat.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right? All right, Chase Thomason he is with the
ku TV two news weather team. You see him every
night at ten. He does a great, great job. Greg,
and I think we may be okay this summer. We
just need a good winter next winter.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
All I know is, you know we have to shovel
snow once this year. Put a bow on it. I say,
good news.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I didn't even my back blower this year. I pull
up snow blower.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
This year.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
My back was was healthy. I don't have to worry
about any of it.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
As as if you shovel.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I used to till I had back problems. Now I
now I ride that excuse like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, you'd leave that up to Queen Bee. I know
you all right. More to come on this Thursday afternoon.
It is the Rotten Greg Show and Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n rs. The bombings continue. The
President said he has received pledges from a number of countries,
including Britain, UH and Italy to help secure the straight
of horror moves.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
So, a lot of new developments today in that battle
against Iran.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I guess better than never so welcome.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, that's for sure. Well what about the Iranian people?
I mean, will they step up and overthrow their own government?
A regime that has been in place since what about
nineteen seventy nine, joining us on our Newsmaker line to
talk more about that as our good friend Scott Pinsker
and author, public relations and crisis communications expert. Scott, how
are you welcome back to the Rod and Gregg Show?

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Hey, gentlemen, delighted to be back with you, Scott.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
What is it going to take? Do you think to
convince the Iranian people to step up and overthrow the
current regime?

Speaker 8 (17:32):
They have to believe that they have a legitimate opportunity
to actually pull it off and not get all killed
the way all the Kurdish people were in nineteen ninety
one when George H. W. Bush encouraged them to rise
up and overthrow the terrible dictator. And unfortunately we didn't
provide any air power, we didn't provide any support. We
kind of figured that, hey, Saddam will probably fall on
his own, the Kurdish people be fine, and they weren't fine.

(17:56):
They all got mowed down, and that lasting image has
really haunted us for a long time and made it
less likely that people are going to do what we
want them to do, which is beat our ground troops
for us, so we don't have to do the hard
bloody work. We want the Iranian people to take care
of Iran, just like we hope the Kourdish people in
Iraq would take care of Saddam.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know, and you lay out the case of why
nineteen ninety one doesn't look anything like twenty twenty six.
Were taking out the Trump and the Secretary of War
phag Seth. They've taken out their army, their navy, most
as you say, most importantly, their air force. We have
air supremacy over Iran. We're not worried about being popular
amongst the un like seem to be the case and

(18:38):
the emphasis back in ninety one, a lot of good factors,
a lot of different ways of looking at it this
time around. My question is, Scott, is there the leadership?
So when you saw Maduro taken out of in Venezuela,
the number two persons said, I think I can be
friends with the administration. I think we're going to go
ahead and work with them. And there was kind of
a structure or a power base there. Where does this

(18:59):
power base come from? Amongst the citizens the people of
Iran who want to rise up? Do they need do
they need a military? Do they need something that's part
of the current apparatus to really overthrow the current regime.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
I don't think they do. Would it be great to
have a George Washington figure, sure, but George Washingtons don't
grow on trees, even though apparently they take a hatchet
and chop them down. When you had over thirty thousand
Iranians died protesting only about a month and a half ago,
and I'm not aware of one galvanizing leader that rallied

(19:33):
the troops. It seemed more of like an uprising of
the people where they didn't want to lift that way anymore,
and they were willing to risk life and limb to
have a better tomorrow for their children. And hopefully, hopefully
when we're done bombarding the country, annihilating the government apparatus,
destroying their air power both more important than anything else,

(19:53):
hopefully they'll look around and go, you know what we
paid in blood earlier, but now we can actually achieve victory.
We need to have the Iranian people believe that they
have a legitimate opportunity to win. If they believe they
can win, it could become a self fulfilling prophecy. But
if they don't, If they if they're convinced that they're
going to be hung out to dry, the way George H. W.

(20:16):
Bush did to the Kurdish people, where he pretty much
decided that it was more important to protect the coalition
of Arab countries than protect the actual people. When Iran
and Iraq, I mean, we need to make sure the
Iranian people know that we're on their side. We're not
going to do what we did with under UN regulations
where our hands were tied, where Saddam was literally allowed

(20:37):
to use helicopters to rip apart his country and that
was okay with us because we figured we blew up
so many bridges they needed helicopters to move around. I
don't believe Donald Trump will have that Bush mentality, where
you know what, we got to be good loyal people
within the coalition and follow every edict of the UN
to the letter, otherwise it wouldn't be good actors in
the world community. I have a feeling Donald Trump just

(20:59):
cares about winning.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, Scott. Do the people in Iran? Is there
a way for them to get the information they need
to understand what's going on in this current war with
their own country in the United States? I mean, are
communications in that country so controlled that they aren't getting
the information they need.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
Well.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Member the Second Golf War the Iraq, where we had
Donald Remsfelt talking about known unknowns and unknown unknowns that
would be a known unknown. We don't have a good
feel for what's going on with the man on the
street in Iran, although apparently Israel's calling them up on
the telephone and speaking to them directly with its pretty fun.

(21:43):
I'm hoping that between Israeli intelligence, which is pretty intricate
and pretty dug in, and America's eavesdropping technology, hopefully we
have a way where we can talk to at least
enough people where we can get them, you know, singing
from one hymn sheet and working together. But you know,
it's almost like you need to look at like a

(22:04):
psychological battle where if we can get into the heads
of the Iranian people and give them an opportunity to
believe that this will actually work, it will work. But
if they don't think it'll work, if they think that,
you know, look, I don't want any more of my
children to die. Already, thirty thousand people died. We know
they had an internet blackout. We know they're trying to
limit the mullets. We know, they're trying to limit how

(22:25):
much information the Iranian people are receiving. But people tend
to be smarter than you give them credit for. And
in a community with over ninety million people, you've got
to think someone's talking to someone.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Scott, what about the you know, President Trump first term
abram Accords, his Middle East tour, and his second term
went really well. He said, let's talk about prosperity of
all nations and the rising tide lift ships. Talk about
the Arab States relationship with this president, President Trump versus
the relationship with the United States back in nineteen ninety one.
Do we have some some people willing to work with

(23:01):
us amongst these Arab states now that we might not
have had in ninety one.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
It's That's one of the really great ironies is that
George H. W. Bush came into office as a great diplomat.
You know, he was He represented America to the UN,
he was the ambassador to China, He was a VP
for eight years under Reagan. He knew literally everyone in
the diplomatic rolodex, but the relationships that he was able
to leverage were pretty limited. It you know, you had

(23:29):
a coalition that would have fallen apart if Israel fought
back after getting hit with Scott missiles. For what's going
on with Donald Trump, who's much more transactional and you
know less by the book than the bushes. It's in
the paradoxes. He's built a much tighter emotional connection with
the key leaders in Saudi Arabian, Qatar.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And other Arab nations.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
And instead of the coalition falling apart, were probably only
a few days away from Saudi pilots flying near with
Israeli pilots to work work together to get rid of
the common enemy.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, that would be a unique to see for sure.
Scott is always great chatty with you. Thank you, Yeah,
I love your taking my pleasure. All right, Scott Pinsker
always ready to have Scott on the show. He's an
author and also a expert and when it comes to
intelligence community, great insight as to what is going on
and what needs to happen in Iran. All right, We've
got a lot more to get to today here on

(24:22):
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Can rass Senator Mike Lee and his
Save America Act. Apparently, she says he didn't ask me
about it, so I'm kind of ticked off at him.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, she I don't know if you got the memo,
but Utah elections are perfect. There's no room for it.
There's nothing's wrong, nothing to see her, folks move along.
That's been her position, I think for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And she oversees state elections, is it, am I not right?
I mean, the federal elections are a different animal.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
They are. The federal elections are different. And as in
the state role, she is the one that kind of
coordinates with all the elected county clerk's election clerks that
are elected in twenty nine Utah counties. She's kind of
the head of that conduit of communication putting all that together.
So she is our Utah's chief election officer, and she's
here to tell the public you've got nothing to worry about.

(25:15):
We have no fraud. Everything's good. Government works perfect, and
there's no reason to improve it or make it any better, So.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Quit complaint with it. Mess with it, that's what she said. Well,
I want to ask Steve more about this. Steven's scheduled
to be on the show a little bit later on tonight,
but about this, these comments being made by the governor
of New York. Now, remember what was it several months ago?
I think during the campaign it may have been that
Kathy Hochel basically told people who do not like New

(25:44):
York rich people who instead like Donald Trump, go ahead
and move to Florida. We don't care. Remember that, Oh yeah,
oh I know. Well, apparently now she is singing a
different tune. She says, we want you back. First of all,
this she said several months ago.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
And we're here to say that the era of Trump
and Delden and moln Arrow, just jump on a bus
and head down to Florida where you belong.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Okay, get out of town.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Get out of town, because you don't. You don't represent
our values.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
You are not New Yorkers, So get out of town.
You are not New York heres. You don't represent our values.
We just want you to leave. Well, apparently a lot
of them did, enough of them to the point that
she's now asking them please come back.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
And being conscious of the facts that I need people
who are high net worth to support the generous social
programs that we want to have in our state. Right now,
there are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Okay, cut me the checks.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
I mean, just if you want to be supportive, but
maybe the first step should we go down to Palm
Beach and see what you can bring back home because
our tech space has been eroded. So I feel sooph
we don't have a problem. It is like I have
to look at the fact that we are in competition
with other states who have less of a tax burden
on their corporations and their individuals. And I would say

(27:08):
remote work changed everything. There are people who could only
work in an office in Manhattan and work in New
York State, and they were captives to our state.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
They were going to state. We saw that that's not
the case. Also thing the case is, Governor, you told
them all to hit the road. I think you told
them to get out of town if they didn't like you.
Lump it isn't it amazing? She treats government as if
it's a charitable organization. We have paid, you know, we
need you to contribute, right to check to government so
that we can go and and do the work that

(27:38):
a charity. Government is not. It's the role of government
is not to replace or supplant charitable efforts and organizations.
And she talks about taxes as if it's a charitable
contribution from the wealthy. It is so skewed, it is
so confused, and how she frames the entire discussion.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, and great, the social welfare programs. We need you
back to fund our very generous social welfare programs. Those
programs have more fraud in them than probably anything else
in the country except maybe in Los Angeles. Greg And
she's asking people with wealth, people who've been successful, many
of them because of the sweat of their brow, to

(28:19):
come back and help her out after she told them
get out of town because we don't like you.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, she said they didn't have the right values. But
I guess it's the dog the money. The money is
the values. I guess the values the money. Now, it's
not that you don't have our values. You're not You're
not real New Yorkers. Wait, your money, we could use
that here. So it turns out your values are just
good enough for us. Come on back and bring your
money with you.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, the heck with your values. All we want
is your cash. Some have stepped up, but we now
want you to go down to Florida and recruit more
people coming back. I hope all of them tell her
to stick it, yep, pound stand Yeah. All right, we're
coming up our number two of the routing. Great show.
We'll talk about Lieutenant Governor Didre Henderson and Mike Lee

(29:02):
and the Save America Act. One on Earth is going
on there. That's coming up next.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And it's ninety three degrees out here outside. It's a
lot cooler in the studio, but outside of ninety three,
that's that would be. I think that's unseasonably hot. I
don't think he gets that hot normally out here. But well,
you stepped outside because that studio is freezing. It is
an ice box.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, that's what you're telling me. You're complaining all day cold.
I'm cold?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, Well, you know, I like the heat.
I don't like the as I've well stated I've been,
I've I've been very transparent about this. I'd like hot winters,
I'd like hot summers. I like the warm.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah. I'm with you on this as well. All right,
let's get into this whole thing involving Lieutenant Governor Dietra
Henderson and Mike Lee. Of course, Mike today back on
the center floor debating the Save America Act. I want
to let you hear what he had to say about
the importance of this act, and then we're going to
get into what Dietro Henderson said about this idea today.
Here's Mike.

Speaker 11 (30:02):
It is not only not wrong for us to insist
on this proof, it would be morally irresponsible of us.
It would be a reckless disregard for one of the
most sacred principles underlying our constitutional republic for us to

(30:24):
ignore it.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I will not ignore that, and I.

Speaker 11 (30:28):
Continue, I intend to continue to come back here day
after day, week after week, as long as it takes
until this bill is passed into law. The American Republic
are owed to the Constitution, and those who've elected us
to this office require nothing less.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Thank you, mister Prisioner. That's you, joh Sender Mike lay
on the floor as the US Senate as the debate
continues today about the Save America Act. But apparently greg
our Lieutenant governor is listening to any of that. By
the sounds of.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It, she is not. And it's, you know, part of
the irony of this is one of the local reporters
says in a rare moment, Uh, Lieutenant Governor Dedre Anderson, Uh,
you know, chastises or disapproves of Senator Mike Le's uh
Save America Act. I don't know if she if if

(31:18):
the media has not met our lieutenant governor before, but
she seems to scold and lecture people quite a bit.
I I actually I called her. I like to call
her scolder in chief of the state of Utah. She
likes to tell everyone how wrong they are. If you
have a problem with election transparency and elections or chain
of custody, boy, what's wrong with you? I mean you

(31:38):
are you are a nutjob. You are a conspiracy theorist.
They do it all perfect fraud. Hey, you know it's
it's and and look when they do come up with audits,
they're inconvenient because milo awkward because it shows where people
that aren't legally legal citizens and shouldn't have the right
to vote do vote. She says, well, it's just a
little bit. So you just have a few people that

(31:58):
get their vote, the legal resid as, they get their
votes canceled just a little bit. It just that was
a little bit. What's the big what's the big deal?
So I guess for me, it is it's just she
has been against anything that would bring that transparency, that
would improve chain of custody, So her being against the

(32:18):
Save America Act was not a surprise.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, well what did I'm not sure what she hopes
to gain with this, Craig. I mean, you know, Mike Lee,
among Republicans in this state, or most common sense, fair
minded Republicans like you and I and many of our
listeners is very popular here, you know. And the polls
are showing Dietra that what is eighty four percent of Republicans,

(32:42):
seventy two percent of even Democrats support the Save America Act.
So why not work with the Senator and say, I've
got a couple of ideas for you here that I
think may make this easier. Maybe your legislation isn't perfect.
Let me give you an idea instead of coming out
with this we don't like it. I've got five points
I want to bring out as to why I think
you're wrong. And how dare you tell Utah what to

(33:04):
do when it comes to their elections, Because that's exactly
what she's doing. If she's hoping someday to gain a
higher office in this state, she's going to have to
go through the Republican Party. And there are a lot
of Republican party members right now, who are saying, what
on earth are you saying?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, let me just let me just share it with
our listeners, folks. Let me just share some of her concerns,
which I think are to Rod's point, they're just not
going to fly. They're not going to fly with the
people of this state. She points out that in you know,
Article four, section eight of our Utah Constitution, we are
guaranteed the right to a secret ballot for both federal
and state elections. Yes, she says, the Save America Act

(33:41):
requires a vote voter id uh to include if you're
going to mail it in, a photocopy of your ID
in the return envelope, and that is a violation, in
her mind of our state constitutional right to a secret ballot.
Let me tell you something about that mail in ballot.
You sign it, Okay, you have your name, you have
your address, and then you have your signature. And what
they do with your signature is they cross reference it

(34:03):
with other government documents, be it your voter registration, your
driver's license. They cross reference that signature with multiple government
records to see if that signature matches. Now, if someone's
telling me that's a secret ballot, when they are scrutinizing
a voter to that degree, looking at cross tabbing other
government records to see if your signature matches. Who are

(34:25):
they fooling there? If you If she feels that the
share should be a secret ballot, what she's really arguing
for is to not have voter idea or mail in
ballots at all, because you have a database. If you're
if your signature doesn't match, you're on a database. You
can look it up online. It says, look, your your
ballot got kicked out because the signature didn't match, and

(34:45):
you can call in and you can get that fixed.
There's nothing anonymous about that. There's nothing secret about that.
There's a database that lists and that vote. That ballot
will not be counted until you get that cleared up.
The other issue that she has is that she says
that the count clerks they do verify citizenship already through
the driver's license the division, but she says, she points out,

(35:07):
do you remember when you got your real idea ide
and you had to bring in your your birth certificate
or something, and how much of a pain it is. Well,
if you're a brand new voter that's going to register
to vote, you would have to do the same thing. Okay,
I'm prepared to do it. We did it. I'm I'm
registered to vote. This this concern here doesn't include me.
But if you have to get get registered to vote,

(35:28):
do it the way you did. You get your real
ID act. The reason why the real id act by
itself doesn't fly, and this is something our one of
our listeners pointed out to us on the show, is
that you can be in our country legally on a
visa and receive the real id star on a state
issued ID. So that's why you have to go through
that extra extra effort. But again, we've all done it.

(35:51):
We've all done it to have our driver's license is renewed.
It's not an impossible hurdle. And I think I think
it's a it's a it's a very shallow arum. The
last one and I'll finish here. She says, well, you
know the federal government is going to have our voter information. Okay,
well they have they have our they have our income taxes,
they know how much we're making. There's a lot of

(36:12):
information the federal government has ensuring that federal elections and
people that are voting are actually allowed and legally able
to vote. This isn't a piece of information that should
be kept from the government. But we should just lay
out our income taxes and everything else as we do.
I think that's a red herring. I think it tries
to play on people's fears. I think knowing that the
roles are clean, that they actually include people that are

(36:35):
legally allowed to vote, no one should be offended by that.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, has she been drinking?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
The Democratic cooling does not sound like I just think
it sounds like Democrat arguments.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Nitpicked the daylights out of this. The final note that
she made, Greg, you may have included this as well,
that the Save America Act apparently is intended to disenfranchi,
disenfranchise voters. Does that something like coming out of the
Democratic Party and not the Republican Party?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, you know, and this this is I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I was waiting for her to say next Jim Crow
two point zero.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't know why she left it out. It's it's
a bit awkward. She left it out when she and
she when she's verbatim repeating all the Democrat talking points
on this, but here her deal there is you should
if that's what the federal government wants, says, she give
us a lot of time and a lot of money
to be able to do it. Folks, you need to
know this. You got county clerks in the state of
Utah that handle elections on a county level. They are
elected positions. They come up to the legislature every year

(37:33):
when there's bills that would strengthen our chain of custody
and our transparency on these ballots and turn making sure
that fraud doesn't occur. And they come up with these
huge fiscal notes and say, oh, you know, to scan
an ID to vote, you're going to have to be
able to cross tab that with you know, with the
driver's license bureau. You gonna have to be able to
ping it off of the moon and come back to
NASA and do It's just it's like the Da Vinci Code.

(37:56):
Trying to confirm it. It's going to cost us, you know,
millions upon millions of dollars to do. It's an excuse. Yeah,
it is taking shallow water, mudding it up to call
it and calling it deep this hole. It's just too hard,
too complicated to do. We're actually just talking about a
process that wasn't you know that we were actually doing
before COVID and not all that long ago, going back

(38:17):
to that process. So we can't they can't say that
this is just too arduous, too difficult, too expensive. It's
it's the way we used to do it not long ago.
And to say it's too hard and it disenfranchises voters,
it's just a it's a good reason, but not their
real reason.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, that's for sure. All right. A lot more to
say on this, and we know you do as well,
So we'll open up the phones to you eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell
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Well here, what do you have to say? Coming up
next on The Rotten Gregg Show. Last day of Winter,
Believe it or not, Spring it's here tomorrow. We may

(38:55):
already be feeling it today if you're just joining us now.
We're talking about this credit being leveled against the Save
America Act, and act that Mike Lee is sponsoring right
now has the full support of the President and the
support of a lot of the American people, but apparently
our Lieutenant governor does not like it, and she is

(39:15):
expressing great concerns about it because she says, you know,
he didn't talk to me about it.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Why not, Well, she act concerns prior to that. She
says in her I can count on zero fingers how
many times he's reached out to me to talk to
me about this. This is a federal election issue, a
federal bill, and we already know where she's at. I mean,
she has to tell when it comes to election integrity.
We can see her lips move, and it's always opposed

(39:41):
to anything that would enhance our transparency, secure a greater
chain of custody of those ballots from those that have
actually cast a ballot to the time it's counted. We
know where she's at on all this. She's not made
her position on this a secret, so I don't know
what she was looking for. In terms of the Senator
Lee's I don't know permission or discuss anyway that. I

(40:02):
think that him not speaking to her is a ruse.
I don't think that that's the real issue. But we
want to hear from you, folks, our smartest listening audience
in all the land. Eighty to eighty five seven zero
eight zero one zero is the number to call. Let's
go right now to Robert, who is in Sandy. Robert,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Run and Greg show.

Speaker 12 (40:21):
Hi, gentlemen, Well, you might not consider me the smartest
in your audience, but I have a couple questions about it.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Go ahead.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
First off, I happen to really like Lieutenant Governor Anderson,
and I think she brings up some good questions. One
of the questions I have is the federal government is
not in charge of elections. Elections are supposed to be
run at a state level. They can get involved like
they did in Arkansas and in the South when they
had to go down and make sure that elections were

(40:49):
being run properly because the Southern states were definitely trying
to keep black voters from going to.

Speaker 13 (40:54):
The polls, so they had to go down so.

Speaker 12 (40:56):
Occasionally they intervened. But elections are state run, so there
really is no federal election in the sense of that.
So I'm concerned about the bill from a federal level
dictating to states how they need to run their elections.
The other thing I'm concerned about is, you know, you
and I are men. My name did not change when
I got married, and it wouldn't change if I got divorced.

(41:18):
But for women, it's difficult because if a woman is divorced,
they have to track down their firth certificate and all
kinds of nonsense that we don't have to go through.
We don't have to jump to those loops they do.
And I'm concerned that this is that this could theoretically
tap down the women's vote because they do have more obstacles.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Robert, there are a couple of points I want to make.
I'll take the last one first, and then, like Greg
answer the first one, is it really that hard to
track down your birth certificate?

Speaker 12 (41:50):
Well, my mother's eighty seven and she had to go
and it was difficult. She's eighty seven, so tracking it
back down to Lake County, Illinois a couple of years
ago really was It wasn't She did it, but it
wasn't easy. You know, the records were pretty far back,
so I guess it a lot depends on where you're
from and how long back you're looking. But she did
have to do that in New Mexico, but she had

(42:11):
to go all the way back and it was difficult.
She managed to pull it off, but it was a
lot harder than it was for you and I.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Hey, Robert, I got to tell you though, that I'm married.
I've been married for thirty one years. If I look
at my bride and I tell her, you know, the
worry here is that you're not smart enough when you
got when you became a huge from your maiden name,
you're not going to be like, you're not smart enough
to actually register to vote. This is a big barrier
for you, sweetie, you can't do this. I don't know
that I would be thirty one years of holy matrimony

(42:37):
at that point. Robert, I don't know what your wife thinks,
but I think it is incredibly condescending. Where we've had
election laws like this all the while, where we've had
people with maiden names that get married and have a
married name and actually get to vote. It's not like
it's a brand new concept to say that this can't
happen or would be a barrier. Now. I think it's
I think it's being derogatory towards women. I wouldn't make

(43:00):
that argument with my wife. I know that.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah. Yeah, but you had a point on the state
and the federal government elections, because Robert raised a very
interesting point on this as well.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, well, my question there is where you have the
let's take our presidential election. We have to make sure
that you know, with electoral votes coming down, Let's look
at Florida in two thousand between Gore and Bush and
that came down to five hundred votes in Palm Beach.
If we don't know that the level the playing field
is level from state to state, that the people that

(43:30):
are voting are allowed to vote in the elections that
are federal' isn't that a role that the government, the
federal government does have a say in, is to make
sure that those federal elections are administered fairly amongst the
states that collectively make up not just the executive branch,
but also the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Speaker 12 (43:50):
Well, they did in the South because it was obvious
that the South was trying to keep African Americans from voting.
So there is some precedent to that. I am you know,
Like I said, I just want to make sure that
you know this is not going to go to the
Supreme Court and find out that it's considered unconstitutional.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I guarante. Thank you Robert for your phone called Greg.
Why do I think it is going to the Supreme Court.
I've just got that feeling in the back of my
head and that this is going to go to the
Supreme Court someday.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I knew, you know what, I knew this was going
to come my way. I'm going to tell you I
knew this come my way. I just got caught. Queen
Bee just said to me, right now, she got she
she got married, and she had a birth certificate and
she changed it. She and she doesn't want to be
insulted this way. She can find her certificate right now.
It's in her drawer. She can get it right now.
And if someone says that because she's a female and
she got married, she can't vote, she's got something to

(44:40):
say about that. That's just I'm just saying. That's that's
and I knew she'd I knew my wife would say that.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So, you know, here's what's funny. You just made me
think of something, greg The Democratic Party has always parted
itself on fighting for the rights of women, except when
there's a boy in the girl's bathroom, right right, wouldn't
isn't this offensive to Democratic women? The Democratic leader are
telling them you aren't smart enough to figure out how
to get a birth certificate. So we're going to protect you.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And I've never been heard this as an issue before.
It's it's it's contrived. I've never heard anyone say, you know,
the biggest barrier is when you get married. Women just
walk into walls. They don't know where to go, they
don't know what to do. They just all of a sudden,
they've just been stripped of their right to vote because
they got married. I've never heard this argument ever made
until we wanted to make sure people that are here
illegally do not vote. And here we are.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Oh, they'll come up with every excuse you can think of. Greg,
all right, we've got a lot of people want to
weigh in on this. We'll get to our calls. Also
talkback comments coming up on The Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can Ter s
it is the Rod and Greg Show with you on
this Thursday. I'm Rod Arkatt, I'm citizen Greg Hughes. I
tried to warn Robert. I said, I don't know if
what you're saying is gonna fly.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I don't know if all the ladies in the audience
are gonna be picking up what you're putting down, Robert.
But and it turns out we've got some We got
some pushback on this. Women aren't smart enough to get
there but be able to vote ever again if they
get married.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
All right, let's go to those phones.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yes, let's go to Scott, who's on I fifteen? Scott,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 14 (46:09):
Yes, sir. When I was going through my real ID,
I even took in my military QUO one file and
they wouldn't accepted. I had to have my birth certificate,
and obviously I was not the only one that didn't
have it, because they had a handout with a website
that you could get your birth certificate. Not only did
I order mine, but my wife's after she was adopted.
Cost me fifteen dollars per birth certificate, and I paid

(46:33):
for X but I shipping had him both in forty
eight hours. This is about getting a birth certificate.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
It is garbage. Just then, Scott, thank you for sharing
that story. Greg, and it's garbage. Come on, folks, in
today's modern world, you can't get a bertificate in a
matter of a few days.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Give me a Scott had it right. It became a
military idea, which would you'd be It would be reasonable
to assume as enough, But you had to have a
birth certificate and he got it and it happens. Yeah,
I've got text. You want me to share the text
you want to do.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Well, let's do a talkback. We got a couple of
talkback comments here. Let's listen into one of them.

Speaker 15 (47:08):
Hey, guys, the argument that there's only a few illegal
aliens voting is so ridiculous. There's a principle involved here.
Can you imagine a surgeon saying it's okay that I
left a few cancer cells, or a health inspector at
a restaurant saying I only saw a few cockroaches scurry
across the floor and it's okay. That's a ridiculous argument.

(47:31):
There are important principles that need to be followed here.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
And that's what Mike Lee is talking about. Greg each
end every day. Let's take in another coupby talkback comment.

Speaker 16 (47:41):
Rod and Greg great shows. This is Craig from Harrisville, Utah. Hey,
I'm just calling in. I don't want to let you
know that if they would turn around and require a
state or federal identification for welfare and any government aid,
whether it's state or federal, and provide those IDs at

(48:03):
the time, then nobody would have an excuse. So that's
my thought on it.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Thanks Bye, interesting coming, Thank you. All right, let's get
some more emails, Greg, you have a good one.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah. Here's a little message. This comes from a female.
She says, when I was twenty one years old, I
changed my name to my married name. I didn't even
have access to the Internet where I could search for
the way to do it. In the olden days, women
would pass this info down from their mother to their daughter,
and it worked amazingly well. I choose to think twenty

(48:36):
one year olds and all women have the brains and
wherewithal to power through it and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
But what do I know.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I'm just a dumb woman.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Here's a come in from Leslie. I've been married, divorced, remarried.
I changed my name every time, and I can tell
you the hardest thing I've ever had to do was
change my name with the airlines. I believe proving that
you are married and that you have a name change
is one of the most basic things that can be done. Basic,

(49:06):
I mean, think about think about the great women in
all our lives. Greg. They balance a budget, they raise kids,
they do this. They do that, they get kids everywhere
they do this. Apparently they aren't smart enough to figure
out how to get a birth certificate.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
But you know what the leap of logic that no
one can explain is. I mean, if you back in
the days of COVID, when you had to have a vaccine,
you had to have proof of vaccination to get into
certain stores, do whatever. You had to have an ID
that matched the medical document that showed you had received
the vaccine. How did women? How did married women even
do this? Can you imagine a married woman getting a

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vaccine and having to show id ID that would match
their vaccination card. I didn't hear one democrats say that
was a that was a hill too high, Yeah, to climb.
It's weird. It's selective logic.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I think neither did I back to the phone as
we go, we go to West Point and hear what
Marcus will say on this tonight, Mark, how are you
welcome to the rod and Greg showing.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Hello, gentlemen, how are you went off?

Speaker 17 (50:05):
I just about went off the road when Robert was talking. Obviously,
I'm going to just tell you right now that Lieutenant
Governor's a west gout. Anybody that agrees with her. Let's
start right off, Robert, can you tell us what a
woman is. Let's go down that path first, and once
we've established it he knows what it is, then we'll

(50:27):
sit there and go right to Greg's story. And every
other woman that's waiting online with emails to go shut up,
stop speaking for us.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
That's all I gotta say. All right, good point, Mark,
very very good point that he makes. It is interesting
to know the arguments that they are making Greg and
are getting away with them. Nobody in the media is
challenging him on any of these Jim Crow two point
zero this, and then nobody is challenging him to say, Okay,
prove it, show us what you mean. They can't because

(50:59):
they're making it all up in there. You know I'm
gonna get I'm gonna I'm gonna be nice, I think Robert.
I'm gonna give Robert a life hack.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Come up with all the other reasons why you think
you don't like it or that you're concerned about it.
But saying that women aren't smart enough to get to
get their ID after getting married, I would just leave
that one to women to make that argument about themselves.
I would not be telling that. I don't want to
tell my daughter Sophie that when she gets married, her
voting days are over. She just it's never gonna happen
for her. Again, I didn't know this. Robert believes it.

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I don't. So I just think Robert should leave that
part of his concern for women to talk to women
about that, because otherwise it sounds like he's been a
bit judgy on these women and their inability to somehow
get an ID after they get married. This is I
you know, I don't think that's a one he ought
to be or any of us should be making.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
You know, who should be offended or what would be
a great story. And I just thought of that. My
mind works some weird ways, and you know better than
anybody else. But what if a guy walked in to
dinner tonight, to his home to have dinner tonight, and
the wife just throws the ingredients on the sample said sorry,
I'm not smart enough to put put a dinner together.
You'll have to do it by yourself. I mean, could

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you see that, Because that's what they're basically saying, you
are not smart enough to go find out how to
get a birth certificate. So therefore we're going to protect
you and I'll allow this vote to happen. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Well, you know what, maybe Robert's telling the truth because,
like he said, is my mother's eighty seven years old.
She's from Illinois. Good luck, mom. I don't know how
you're doing it.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
He couldn't help her. Yeah, he couldn't help her. He's like,
she's on her own.

Speaker 18 (52:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I hope she gets it. I don't know if she
could or not. I don't know. Maybe maybe it's a
Robert problem. Maybe that's not a female problem.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I don't know. All right, more of your calls and
comments coming up. It is the Thursday afternoon edition of
The Rotting Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can Arrests Room podcast with John Decker.
A lot of crazy things going on, of course, with
the economy. Everybody's worried about their price of gasoline and
is soaring. When is it going to come back down?
Steve Moore noted economists will be joining us in the

(52:59):
next hour, so you want to hear and get listed
Steve's take on everything. He says, Calm down, everybody, everything
will be okay, but we'll hear from Steve coming up
in the next hour.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Okay, let's go to our phones quickly. Let's go to Bob,
who's an orum. Bob, thank you for holding in. Welcome
to the Rod and greg Show.

Speaker 19 (53:18):
All right, boy, Robert sure kick to be hive. I'll
pay you back.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I'm sure did, Bobby, sure did.

Speaker 19 (53:28):
And anyway, I can't believe I would love to have
it go to the Supreme Court because I can't believe
how sexious he was. I don't mind choosing those terms
of the Democrats years, but he was sexist. Oh my goodness,
And you tell me that your mom can't find her

(53:50):
a birth certificate. Give me a break.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, that's what I think we're all saying. Bob, thank
you very very much for that guy, Give me a break.
All right, let's go to here. What Riley has to
say tonight don the Rod and Gregg Show. Hey, Riley,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Good?

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Afternoon?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Fine?

Speaker 7 (54:07):
Hey, When me and my wife got married fifty one
years ago, we both had to show a Burth certificate
in order to get a marriage license. So then my
wife changed her name at the same time. So why
is it so hard to get a birth certificate, the
register to vote.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
It's apparently it's not Robert or but apparently a lot
of people are making a big deal out of this.
That leads the Democrats are they're making a big deal
out of it. With today's technology, is it really that
hard to get a birth certificate? I don't think so
my opinion, I don't think so. Oh here's another point

(54:47):
I wanted to make greg about this whole debate right now.
What is the one thing that Democrats have a difficult
time defining.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
What a woman is?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
So if they can't define what a woman is, how
are they going to be able to tell if a woman,
if they don't know what she is, can get a
birth certificate.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I know one of our callers Mean said that maybe
that's the first question we should ask Robert. I I
will tell you that. I I all everything that's been said.
I think there was a bee's nest kicked over here
because I tell you this, I don't know any any
gentleman that's listening to our program if you have a wife,
a daughter, a mother, and you were to look at

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them and say, I don't think once you got married
you're ever gonna either you're not smart enough to get
registered to vote or once you got married, how did
you ever work it out? Because you clearly aren't smart
enough to change your you know, get your birth tavy
it and show uh and be able to legally vote.
I just don't know how well that's going to go
over it. I don't know, And I know we have
a lot of good listeners, female listeners who probably feel

(55:55):
the same.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Let's go back to our talk like talk back line
here what our next guest has to say.

Speaker 20 (56:00):
Hey, guys, Mike Murray, Hey, just all these people that
are opposed to the whole idea and saying it's too
much of a hassle. I bet if you offered a
free trip to Europe, they'd come up with their passport
and burst to take pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
So I don't think it's that much of a hassle
it as they would go.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
With the DNA test. Uh, you know they would they
give a body part, they would, Yeah, they would, they
would be it'd be easy if you had a trip
to Europe to or a trip anywhere. Yeah, if you
had to produce the h the idea or the burst two.

Speaker 13 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Now we have Greg, a predominantly male audience, would you agree.
I mean, we have a lot of listening to us
as well, but.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
We have some really smart women that listen.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I dare all of you great men out there, great
listeners to the show, all right, to go home and
tell your wife you're going to take care of everything
from here on out because she simply is not smart
enough to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I actually don't listen to Rod right now, folks. I'm
asking to untervene right here. That is not that is
not a life hack.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
That is a trap.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You just don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I just dare you tell your the the wonderful women
all your life that they simply are not smart enough
to do anything.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
So you're just blame it. They just say Robert said it.
Don't you just say Robert says you guys are never
able to vote after you get married. You're not smart enough,
can't vote, can't vote. Your right to vote is stripped
from you because you don't know how to get an
I d once you get married. Yeah, I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I can' it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I can't wait to hear Mike Lee's response to Deetra
Henderson today, it'll be interesting to say what our good
sender is. He's kind of busy right now, but maybe yeah,
he'll be he'll be asked to make a comment about this.
Be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yep, yeah, yeah, it's a look this he's talking to
federal law. We we we had a bill at pass
in our legislative session that did bifer kate the two
a state ballot and a federal ballot, so we know
the difference.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
All right. When we come back, we'll talk about non
citizens use of welfare by country. We'll get into that,
and Steve Moore will join us also in the coming hour.
Another exciting sixty minutes since coming your way, stay with us.
We need to be careful with what we say sometimes.

(58:17):
Why you know, we were talking last hour about women,
you know, and apparently the Democrats don't think they're smart
enough to go get a birth certificate, right, that's one
of the arguments they're making right now. And we got
a text from state Representative Carrie and Lizsenby Yes, and
it said be careful. I'm a woman and I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah. I don't think I was directing at us, right,
I think really pro women we're on the side of women. Here.
I'm going to tell you we got another angry female
listener who says non citizens are smart enough to figure
out how to scam the government, but women are too
dumb to get a birth certificate. I think it's I think, yeah,
I think that. Ah yeah, that wasn't said by us.

(59:00):
The color made that point, but we true we have
argued otherwise. I just want you to know we've been
on the side of our wives and our daughters and
our mothers, and we support all we think voting is.
You know, we believe in women's suffrage. Yeah, I'll just
say that's what we are. We're og that way.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
There, we are, all right, Let's move on to another topic.
Our good friends at the Center for Immigration Studies have
put together a new report and it looks at non
citizen use of welfare and they take a look at
it by both region and country of birth. Let's dig
into this a little bit more with our next guest
on our Any Hour newsbacker Line, Steve Camarada, Director of

(59:36):
research at the Center for Immigration Studies. Steve, how are
you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Well, thank you for having me back.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Steve let's take a look at this report, what you
were taking a look at and what you found out.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
So we're just using government data and this is all
based on self reporting. And if we look at the
fraction using like the traditional welfare programs like cash and
food stamps and public houses and medicaid, and we also
if we want, we can add in sort of eligibility
for what's called these cash payments from the earned income
Tax Credit and the additional Child Tax Credit. You have

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to work to get those, but it's for people who
don't pay any federal income tax and also get these
cash payments, sometimes up to five thousand dollars. But so
the highest rates generally are for people from Central America
at about seventy four percent, the Caribbean at sixty five percent,
South America fifty three percent, in the Middle East at.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Fifty one percent. That is, of.

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
Households headed by non citizens from those regions, you're looking
at half to three fourths accessing one or more programs.
If you compare that to the native born, it's certainly
not low, but it's thirty one percent, so a little
less than a third, so it's quite a big difference.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Now there are some regions where the use rates are
much lower. East Asia like.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
China and Japan and Koreas at thirty eight percent, so
just somewhat higher.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Europe is much more similar at thirty four percent.

Speaker 9 (01:01:01):
And if we look at non citizens living in the
United States from South Asia, this is mainly India, which
tend to be the most educated immigrants in America, it's
about nineteen percent. So that's one region where the rates
are lower than the US born. I don't know if
you call that low, but at least they're lower than
the US born.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, I'm looking at one of you from your sheet
or from your data, eighty seven percent of Afghanistan immigrants
that are here non resident, non Citisen born, or non
US born eighty seven percent. Let me ask you, is
this a trend or is this is this is this
kind of a way that it's always been. Has it
always migrated to these types of percentages, or is this

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has this emerged over time?

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah? Well, I'm an old guy, so I've been doing
it for over thirty.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
Years, and the short answer is it's always kind of this,
To be honest, the change has been less of the
use of the cash programs, like ten of temporary assistants
for needy families and SSI mental security income that has
generally lower than it was thirty years ago, but most
everything else is higher. And of course the big money,

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the big ticket item is of course MEDICI. It costs
more than all the others combined, and that's one that
non citizens tend to make a lot of use of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I was going to ask those tea Yeah, I was
going to ask to you and Steve, do they use
I guess you would describe them as traditional welfare programs
or do they look for newer, different programs when they're
looking for welfare help.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Well, here we can only measure with this government data.
And now I remember I should point out that it's
all based on self reporting. It's what they call told
the government in what's.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
Called the Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement.
So the actual rates are a good deal higher, but
we won't deal with that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I know that sounds insane. What do you mean they're
actually higher and I've just told you these short interests.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
Yeah, but they're also higher for the US born because
people under report their use of welfare. So this is
just what they said they were using. But it turns
out it's not that bad. We can actually compare it
to administrative data. There are problems, but it doesn't look
that bad. So they make kind of use across the board,
is the short answer. And what seems to have developed

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in immigrant communities is extensive knowledge of how to access
these programs. But in fairness to the immigrants, two points.
One is there's a bureaucracy, a federal at local bureaucracy.
I should say, it works hard to sign them up
for programs. And second, we have no evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
In this data of fraud. We have no evidence that
they're cheating the systems.

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
Rather, they are simply signing up for programs that they
or even more often their US born minor dependent children,
are eligible for at a time when there's not much
social stigma associated with being dependent on the government. So
that's just what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
In other words, these folks report and.

Speaker 9 (01:03:50):
They sign up, and they're able to do that for
a variety of reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
The most important is because they have US born children.

Speaker 9 (01:03:58):
The second thing is the bar doesn't apply to all
non citizens, and they're actually allowed to use certain programs,
and the legal immigrants who are in this data, this
data is about half legal immigrants and half illegal immigrants.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I can explain how we know that, but most legal
immigrants have here been here long enough to qualify for
all the programs. And finally, many states California, New York, Illinois,
and so forth, provide welfare too otherwise ineligible non citizens
on their own. And so all of these factors together
is what allows them.

Speaker 9 (01:04:28):
To use it, even though in theory illegal immigrants aren't
allowed to use most programs, and most new legal immigrants
aren't either, But those two things don't make that much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Difference for the reasons I just outlined.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So, and you've mentioned this briefly about within those statistics
you shared, we don't know the percentage of fraud, but
what we saw was Doge rolling out a lot of
what was obvious as fraud. And then we began to
see examples even within Minnesota's own state government, where they
attempted to blow the whistle six hundred perc in a
program of say, children with autism, within the smaller community.

(01:05:05):
You're over year six hundred percent increase screams of fraud.
How much of this when you look at these percentages
of ornborn that receive public assistance. How much of that
do you worry is actual fraud, it's gaming it up,
It's not actually a need as it is a source
of additional income for having migrated here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Well, I'm going to take a somewhat different view.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
I'm going to say that when you look at how
poor and how and why immigrants are poor is generally
because a lot This is not true everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Indian immigrants, for example, tend to be very immigrants.

Speaker 9 (01:05:42):
But as a general proposition, immigrants a large fractioners have
relatively little schooling, and in the modern American economy, they work,
but they don't make much, and so they and their
children qualified for a lot of programs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
I would not focus on the fraud.

Speaker 9 (01:05:56):
I would ask the larger question, why have an immigration
policy that allows inso many people who can't support their
own children? If and this is a big if, if
immigration is supposed to be a benefit for the United States,
And so what we find is it's just hoighly correlated
with educational attainment.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
So if you want to know, it's just a simple statistic.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
For every one year increase in the years of schooling
of a household ed it tends to lower welfare use.
By seven percentage points, so it's a huge impact. In
other words, if you had to put this in a
bumper sticker, because most of these people live in households
with at least one worker, it doesn't make any difference
because they're still poor. If you had to put in

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a bumper sticker, it's there's a high cost to cheap labor.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Now, the employers they don't see all that, right. They
they're looking for a worker.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
They say they can't find anyone, so they hire someone
for eighteen or nineteen dollars an hour. But that person,
if you were to make forty thousand a year, thirty
five thousand a year, and say a mother and two children,
just to give you a nible, that person would be
able to qualify for just about every program.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Even if she was working and made thirty five thousand
a year. That's just how our system works.

Speaker 9 (01:07:09):
And if she made only twenty five thousand a year,
she could virtually qualify for everything. And that's just how
it is, you know it, provided they meet the other criteria.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
And that's just how it is.

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
And the vast majority of children in non citizen households
are US born, So you would say, well, let's let
them in and not let them get these programs. It's
not really possible. As they said, the big question is
why have an immigration system that lets in so many
legal immigrants without regard to their education and skills and
then likely income and use of welfare, and why tolerate

(01:07:40):
so much illegal immigration? But if you are going to
have a system that does let that happen, then you
pretty much have to shut up about the costs because
there's no take it after they're here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, yeah, Steve, let me ask you this. There have
been attempts, even on the federal level and certainly on
the state level, to restrict access to some of these programs,
especially on the part of illegal aliens in this country.
Do they work? Do those efforts work?

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
They can have some effect.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
They probably have effect on a program which is pretty
small now like ten if that's the old AFDC, the
cash program, But they don't make much difference because you
haven't changed the fact that a we didn't where no
one's gonna stop immigrants from using say the WIG program.
Just say the name of the program and it tells
you why we don't stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
It's the Women, Infants and.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
Children Nutrition program. Are we gonna stop free school lunch.
The other thing to keep in mind is are we
going to stop Well, legally, you can't the US born
children of illegal immigrants from getting benefits.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
There are perhaps four million US born soulliant or more
of illegal immigrants in America. It's probably closer to five
million now. So you're just not going to be able
to stop that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:53):
Either you keep the illegal immigrants out and ones here
you encourage to go home, or you accept Remember we
think seventy five percent of illegal immigrants have no education
beyond high school.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Doesn't make them bad, it doesn't make them lazy. It
doesn't mean they all came to get welfare.

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
But if you bring lots of low income people into
a country like the United States with a well developed
welfare states, a welfare system, or stated like, this is
the outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And one final point I know there listeners say, well,
I don't like any of this.

Speaker 9 (01:09:20):
You know, my ancestors came to America and they didn't
use welfare. What if your ancestors came in eighteen eighty
or nineteen fifteen, federal, state and local spend expenditure for
everything was five percent of GDP.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Today it's thirty five percent of GDP. They didn't have
to didn't There was no income tax for most of
that time period.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
The bottom line is these programs didn't even exist back then,
so it's somewhat irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
The question is don't we need a.

Speaker 9 (01:09:48):
Modern imbrating system that reflects the reality of a welfare system.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I think we all agree we would definitely need
that and need it today. Steven's always you're a wealth
of information. Thank you for spending some dying with us, Steve,
thanks for having me on our newsbacker line. That's Steve Camarado,
director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies. More
coming up the Rod and Greg Show with you on
this Thursday afternoon and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay,

(01:10:14):
and a right. You know, I think we've been invited
on media Day to go out there and try their
new ride.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Hey, I wait what, Yeah, I've never heard this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yeah, I just saw an email from the staff today
saying you can go out it's on media day whenever
that is. I didn't look closer, even though there was.
I know you're a big chicken when it comes to rides.

Speaker 13 (01:10:33):
No way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I love really I love roller coasters. Yeah, oh, I
love the ones that's spin you like a psycho And
I don't like this sling shot one either, But I like,
you know, the roller coasters fun. Yeah, I love roller coasters.
But Media day do tell like we're media, so I'm media.
Now I get to go to that. Finally, it's something
I get to enjoy. I've been waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, well, I'll see if we can get details. It
can't be during the show, you know, we can't do
it during the show. I love how you tell me
this air. I mean, how long have you had this
information today? I just saw it today. Excuse me of heights. Hey,
real quick. We were talking about fraud in the welfare
system just a short time ago. Nick Shirley has been

(01:11:13):
up to his old tricks again. You know, first he
started in Minnesota, then he goes into La and a man,
Minnesota is nothing compared to what's going on in California.
And when you know, Gavin Newsom has to come out
attack Nick surely, and he called them Greg a pedophile
for looking into child welfare programs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, the guy. You know, this guy, he's supposed to be,
you know, caring and understanding and all this, and then
for him to just go after him like that and
say things like it it is pretty uh pretty low.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Well, John Fetterman, who may be the only Democrat making
any more sense in this country anymore, took to the
defense of Nick Shirley. Listen to what he had to
say about Newsom's comment.

Speaker 18 (01:11:53):
Why can't you celebrate any journalist or any you know,
activists doing that and what you know, uh, Governor news
to put out a disgusting video implying that he's, you know,
a pedophile or he's that Like why you know, like
I mean, like that's like kind of a smear, you know,
like you can you may you want to disagree, or

(01:12:16):
but to imply that someone someone in one of the
most gross kinds of terms like that, well it's like, hey,
shouldn't we agree, like, you know, eliminate all the waste
if it exists under under my perfume, let's eliminate it.
Let's call that what it is. You know, I'm not
going to call someone or imply that you're you're a

(01:12:38):
pedophile or you're you know, going after kids in the
gross ways.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
A Fetterman spot on, I mean, you're Nike surely is
not hurting anybody. He's just exposing the truth to the
American people about wasting fraud in these programs. Yet Gavin
Newsom apparently doesn't like it, and he's calling them a
the pedophile.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Oh you know what it is. And like in our
last interview, we talked about the high percentage of those
that are for and born that come to our country
that are on public assistance. And when I asked about fraud,
he was taking you wanted to really talk about probably
the most of it, which is the better the benefits.
But Nick Shirley, they he shows these guys rolling in
like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars Mercedes VENs. Yeah,
and there's no one there's no kids to be found,

(01:13:19):
or there's no benefits or you know, it's the kind
of opulence that some people are living on, uh, scamming
the system and taking that federal money. It's gross. It's
absolutely beyond the pale. And I think that's why you
got a guy like a Democrat like Fetterman who cannot
find it in his head to excuse any of it
or to attack the person that's uncovered it, because it's

(01:13:40):
that egregious.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, well, what you know, I can understand that politicians
may not want to come out and, you know, praise
the program because it may be a bad reflection on them.
But wouldn't it be better Greg to come out of
a politician like Gavenusom and say, hey, we want to
run an efficient government because we know you the taxpayer,
are paying for it. They found some fraud here, We're

(01:14:03):
going to dig into it and we're going to get
to the bottom of what is going on here. Isn't
that a better line to take than Nick Sureley, you're
a pedophile.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah, well, yeah, it'd be a more adult line. It'd
be more normal, it'd be common sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah, I know I'm living I'm living in La la
land with that, but you never know, maybe times will change.
All right, More coming up final half hour Steve Moore
Top Economists, we'll join us next. We'll talk about the
state of the nation's economy. On Talk Radio one oh
five to nine anterest station Cruise No subc. We had
a great discussion in the five o'clock hour about the
Save America Act. Lieutenant Governor Dietra Henderson. Yeah, apparently she

(01:14:39):
has a bone to pick with Mike Lee, who's the
sponsor of the bill. One of the issues we got
into was the issue that the Democrats make that women
apparently are not smart enough to find a birth certificate.
Is that right that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
See, we had a caller, and I've heard of before
Democrats say it all the time, but we had a
caller that actually made the same case. And there's a
bit of a pushback from our audience. I don't think
they were happy to hear that quite.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
And I wonder if Florida Senator Rick Scott was listening
into the conversation because he was in the Senate today
and addressed that very same issue. There's nothing racist about this.

Speaker 21 (01:15:12):
So every you know, everybody I know has id and
think about they say married women always going to be disenfranchised.
Married women, I'm I'm I'm married to a married woman.
I have two daughters that are married, and I think
they can figure out how to to get whatever idea
they want, how to vote, all those things. They don't
need anybody telling them what to do. They can figure
this out. So any Democrat that says that women can't

(01:15:34):
figure this out, they're stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I'll tell you this, You're at least crazy. The women
I know you don't want to tell them, hey, guess
what if you get married, You're voting days are over
because you're just too dumb to figure out how to
get able to get a burstimate and get and be
able to vote again. I just that does that would
just not go over well, why would ever make that case?

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I do not understand why the point that they're making
is not coming up and blowing up in their face.
I simply don't understand why the American people are just
laughing at this claim.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I know it's it's a bad one. It's actually it is.
It's incredibly condescending, and I don't get it. And you
know what, I think Dieter Anderson, the scolder in chief,
has made the same claim herself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I think she has.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I think she has made it herself that as a
female that we don't know how we'll ever vote again.
If this happens, we won't be able to figure it out.
We'll be lost, we'll be running in the walls. It'll
be over, it's gonna be suffrage, it'll be it'll be destroyed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Just throw it away, no such thing anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Okay. Big news, of course, continues to be the war
in Iran, the UH it's having an impact on the
economy today gas prices. As you pointed out, Greg, you
went and filled up a truck that you have down
there and it was five bucks. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, turn twenty five dollars and eight cents for twenty gallons.
I am I am rocked. I have never spent so
much on an audun like. It's just just a pick
up truck, it's not a U haul truck. Is a
semi one hundred and twenty five dollars I've never put so,
I've never put that much money into at a gas
station before.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Well, let's get the latest on what's going on with
the economy. We turn to our good friends Steve Morn
economist that freedom was worth freedom work. He has the
Unleashed Prosperity newsletter. You should make sure you sign up
and get every day always good information on there. Steve.
Thanks for joining us tonight. Let's get the latest on
your taking the economy right now, Steve.

Speaker 13 (01:17:26):
Well, no question about it. People are really feeling the
sting of those higher gas prices. And here I live
in we're now paying about four dollars to four fifty
a gallon. And until we get the straight sup home
moves open and get some stability in the Middle East.
We're going to probably be looking at those prices for
hopefully just the next few weeks, but we'll see how
this longness lasts. I mean, thankfully we do have a

(01:17:47):
president who is using every possible avenue to try to
bring those those gas prices down. But the most important
thing is is drilling for more oil and gas here
at home, so we not be dependent on the Middle
East for oil. I mean, it's been fifty years. We
should have learn that lesson by now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
So there was a in an analysis of the economy,
there was a talk that our economy is not strong
enough to really endure prolonged high gas prices that we're
just trying to We're starting to move up. Things are
looking good, but it will take a real hit to
the economy if we don't see the gas prices start
to drop. We didn't see interest rates move at all.

(01:18:29):
Are they being Are these assessments too pessimistic, Steve or
is that what you're seeing? Also?

Speaker 13 (01:18:36):
Well, look, it all depends on what happens in the
Middle East, and you know, hopefully Trump can deliver this
victory quickly and we can we can restore democracy and Iran,
and restore the outflow of oil from countries like Saudi Arabia.
And once we get to that point, yeah, I think

(01:18:58):
we will get right back to what we saw in
twenty two twenty five, which was a blockbuster economy. But
we've got to get this thing over with. And I'm
not a military expert. I don't know how long it's
going to take. But anytime you see higher gas prices
and oil prices, that does affect just about everything that
we buy. Because you know, when you buy food, when

(01:19:19):
you buy a house, when you buy technology, that's all
driven by energy costs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Steve, in this world of instinct gratification that we have today,
I mean, how difficult is it to sell the American people. Yeah,
we're going to have rough times here for a little bit,
but hang with us. We will come out of it.
How difficult of a sell job is that right now?

Speaker 13 (01:19:39):
Yeah, that's a great question. I wish I knew the
answer to that. I'll simply say this, we are you know,
we don't like short term pain for long term gain.
We want short term gain for long term gain. And
so you will see I mean this could be problematic
for Republicans as we enter the sweepstakes for the Congress
and the midterms. But if Trump can come out of

(01:19:59):
this victorious, you know, Republicans can actually potentially pick up seats.
So it all depends on whether this military exercise can
be can be you know, victorious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Uh, and I have every reason.

Speaker 13 (01:20:12):
To believe it will. I mean, Trump is look what
we did in Venezuela and how quickly we were able
to solve those problems. So it's painful to me because
the economy was booming, you know, right before this happened.
And so I want to see us get back, you know,
with the booming stock market and job market and more growth.

(01:20:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I want to go back to Jerome Powell, and they
didn't move the Fed. They didn't move interest rates, and
fair enough, if that's if you say, that's okay, I'm
gonna accept it. But I got a jaundice dye when
it comes to Jerome Powell. He has just said recently
that that if there is still an open DJ investigation
on the FED Federal Reserve, he is not going to
step down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
As the chair, I does he have that authority? Can
he stay as long as he wants? If he wants,
God forbid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I mean, he's one of the.

Speaker 13 (01:20:58):
First chairmen with over and yeah, so you know, the
sooner he And by the way, if he was a
stand up guy, he would leave immediately. And then President
doesn't want him. The American people are fed up with
his heokey jerky monetary policy. He's the one who gave
us nine percent inflation under Biden, and so he should
simply resign and let Kevin worsh who's was my pick

(01:21:19):
to head the Reserve and is the one that Trump
has chosen. That's let him come in and change course.
Now whether the Fed should be lowering or rates now
or keep standing pat I've heard some of my best friends,
like you know, See Forbes and Art Laugher and Larry
Caudlow and others. You know, they're on different sides of this,

(01:21:41):
because we don't want to flush all this new money
into the economy, which could cause more inflation. On the
other hand, we want to get growth up. So it's
a conundrum.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Steve, let me let me ask you about a couple
of things that are getting our attention today as well.
First of all, you have the governor of New York,
Kathleen Hockel, who just a few short months ago told
all the wealthy people to get out of New York.
Now she's back. And then you have the situation in
Washington State where all of a sudden they thought, well,
if we tax the rich, they'll stay here and pay
for all these special programs we have, meaning and income

(01:22:12):
tax for millionaires in the state of sl I mean,
don't people get it, Steve that taxing people is not
a wide thing to do.

Speaker 13 (01:22:20):
Well, Look, we have eleven states over the last you know,
thirty or forty years that have adopted income taxes, and
every one of those states, we had a piece Laffer
and I and then Wall Street Terurnal point out every
single one of those eleven out of eleven lost ground,
sometimes precipitously lost ground. So it's sad what's happening in
Washington State because it is going to Microsoft is going

(01:22:43):
to be gone, Amazon's going to be gone, Starbucks is
going to be gone. It you know, might be a
drip drip, drip drip out of there, But in ten years,
why would anybody start a business. They have moved overnight
from being the lowest tax state on the West Coast
to the highest, with the exception of California. And by
the way, why would you want to be competing with
California on t if that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
So so my question is, can you can you teach
the governor of New York and in the state of
Washington supply side economics. I don't know how it's.

Speaker 13 (01:23:15):
Not, you know, it's Look, it's very simple. This is
really very simple. And you know, you always brag about
Utah because they are.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Number one on our poll, and you guys.

Speaker 13 (01:23:25):
Think you do it right. But look, the blue states
have a very simple choice. They either have to change
or they die. Or they change or they die. And
and people will move out of California, they'll move out
of New York, they'll move out of Illinois, New Jersey.
I mean, that's already happening, but it's going to speed up.
And now they're going to leave Washington State. They're gonna

(01:23:46):
leave California even faster. They may adopt this new Wealth
text for billionaires and then say, see where did all
the billionaires go. Oh, they're in Florida, they're in Texas,
they're in Utah. So it's a it's it's painful to
see these Uh, they are putting ideology over sense. And
these are the people always tell us you've got to
follow the science. Well the science very clear about this.
Every time you raise tax rates, bad things happen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Econom With Steve Moore, what help flifting message? That was
tonight Greg from Steve Change or die? Yeah, change or die?

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Yeah, that's that's a clifting message. And that is it is,
and they're starting to see it. Matter of fact, Store,
I guess, Uh, office space in Seattle is rapidly emptying out.
I mean, who wants to stay in Seattle anymore? Paying
those taxes and dealing up with a wacky mayor that
they have whose parents had to support her until she
was elected.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah. Well, well I want to tell you yes. And
I just think that all these you know, these university professors,
they love to talk about it in theory. Well, when
you see it practically applied, it doesn't work. It never has.
It only works in the minds of these professors at
these institutions are higher learning. It doesn't work anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
No, it doesn't. All right, Uh, final segment coming You're
wait here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one All five not KNRS about a month
ago where a man who is transitioning to be a woman.
He was a father and he walked into an ice
skating rink and shot his wife. And I think one
or two of his children. Remember that story. Yeah, well

(01:25:14):
we had that story about their son, Colin Dorgan, who
had helped his team get into the finals of the
Rhode Island High School Championship. He played for Blackstone Valley Schools. Right, well,
guess what, they won the state championship just a couple
of days ago. Listens to what he had to say
about is his mom being with him during the game.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
You're with me.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
Every step of the way.

Speaker 22 (01:25:37):
And I could just throw out all of the playoffs,
even in this game in the overtimes. I think I
truly felt it in my heart and my soul that
they're still with me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
And I think that.

Speaker 22 (01:25:52):
I love them so much and they're still here and
I know it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Great comment, They're still here with me every step of
the way. A couple of other notes, Greg Tonight, I'm
not sure what's wrong with NASCAR, but are you hearing
this story about a driver was suspended for apparently using
his quote gay voice in a conversation with other drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Is that still a thing? I tell I, you know,
I thought that went away. I thought that was gone.
I thought that was a lost art. I thought you
couldn't do it anymore. But I guess you can't because
he got in trouble. But yeah, I mean, that used
to be a thing amongst guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Do that all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Well, apparently he has now apologized after he was suspended
indefinitely for mocking another driver in a tone that he
called his gay voice. Wow, America, America, and a Utah
woman has reached a favorable settlement and her religious discrimination
against her former employee, bed Bath and Bodyworks or attorney,

(01:26:59):
a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
day Saints. She was a manager. She was requested to
use the pronouns of an individual who wanted, you know,
was in transition, and she didn't want to do it.
She was fired. She sued the company, and apparently they've
reached a favorable settlement for the woman. Good for her, yes, good,
good for her, Good for her?

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Can you believe tomorrow is Friday?

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Love?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yeh, it's been a great week. It's been fun being
out here. I mean, it's been it's been nice to
be it's a it's a favorite part of our family
coming out here to this area, even though it is
in California. But it's uh, it's pretty, you know this
the area I'm in has kind of stayed kind of
a small townish kind of feel to it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
So that's good.

Speaker 14 (01:27:42):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
All right, That does it for us tonight, head up,
shoulders backs. May God bless you and your family in
this great country of ours. Thanks for listening. We're back
tomorrow starting up for Have a good evening.

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