The Rod and Greg Show: Voter Polls Often Different Outcome Than Media Reports

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome folks.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's uh, it's Friday, big big weekend game plans.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
No, No, not really, I do, I know you do. Yes,
you're your great adventure to Gotham.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, going there. It's going to be a whirlwind.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah. Well, we have got a lot to talk about.
We love rumors, and we're all talk about rumors here
in a little bit. We're all talking about the world.
To me, Greg is as upside down as I've ever seen,
and I'll explain what that's all about. We'll talk about
Don Lemon. Don Lemon got arrested last night.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good, it's about time throw away the key.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, we've done there. So we've got and many other
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Rumor today, and I don't know how many people have
heard this. Heidi hatch Over at KU TV posted this
today on the Rex page. Former Utah Congressman Jason Chafits
is among a short list of potential candidates being discussed

(01:19):
to replace Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noms.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Very very interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I I I look, I'm a hometown guy. I'd love
to see a former Congressman Jason Chaffits, uh for that role. Look,
I don't think Christy Nome's do anything wrong. I think
she's on a stellar cabinet with a lot of stellar leaders,
and so you know, you're comparing her to I think
one of the strongest cabinets we've seen of a presidential administration.
But if you're gonna if there is, if that rumor

(01:47):
about a change there in that position for Department of
Homeland Security is real. Hey, Jason Chaffits, that's our guy. Yeah,
he's all growed up. He's just he's going, he's ready.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
To go big time.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, he was chairman of the House Oversight Committee when
he was in Congress, which is what probably the most
powerful committee in Congress, Yeah, or one of them.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, No, it was he actually did agree on the
drill down on this they where it was like atf
I can't remember what they called it, but they were
dealing with arms with South Americans.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
There was just a lot. He's he uncovered a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, he really did in his time as the Oversight
Chairman of the House Well.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
According to a Real Clear Politics report, Jason is viewed
by Trump allies as open to joining the administration if
Donald Trump decides to shake up leadership at the Department
of Homeland Security. Other names being mentioned or Virginia Governor
Glenn Youngkin good guy, and EPA administrator Leeds Eldon.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, flying you know, even though San Diego is still
you know, the Pacific toilet and tiawan is ruining it.
I think Les Eldon's trying to fix that, and he
does it. He's doing a very good job at EPA.
You're seeing a lot of movement there. I wouldn't want
to lose him there because I think it takes some
time to get your feet under you in a department
like that, especially the PA, So I'd like to see
him stay there. Glenn Youngkin, Now that's he's out of

(03:04):
a job. He was the governor of Virginia is so
he's got some time on his hands and he proved
to be a stellar leader of the state of Virginia.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
So he's good.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But you know, I'm I'm with our guy, Jason Chaffins.
I think that would be fun.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah, well we'll see. You never know what may happen.
The President said the other day that he has no
intention of getting rid of Christy Nome. But you know,
the president, he can change his mind if he's not
happy with what's going on. Yeah, you want have people
to get things done.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He does.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
He does, and I love his bias towards action. I
think that's what good leaders do. And you know, I
trust him.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I do.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I trust our president. I think that he hasn't I
think on the whole, I don't care what you know.
People want to just parse words or they get mad
about a moment. On the whole, Who've you seen work harder,
faster and get more accomplished in that cesspool of a
town than Donald J.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm telling you he is doing good, good work.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
He is trying to do it. In my mind, today
is a national shutdown day. Okay, what does that mean
national shutdown today is to protest the activities of ICE
in Minneapolis. Okay, Now, I was telling us we're we're
just a couple of buildings away from the Homeland Security
building here here in the street. You've never seen that.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I come from a different direction from their biginess.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, apparently there's some protesters out there today, probably five maybe.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Just mad boomers.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
They're all boomers like your age, just have too much
time on their hands, just sitting around.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
E Ray coming in, saw kids, that was it? Hill
Christ High School era? Yeah, Hill Christ High School. He's
coming in. Saw about two hundred students walk out. They
were protesting ICE. You know why they're doing that? They
just want time off.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm with them, like, there is not a if.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm if I'm in high school, and if someone wants
to organize a walkout, pick the topic, I'm good, I'm game.
I'm I'm going. As soon as you say walk out,
I am out the door. And the issue is immaterial.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. It wouldn't matter.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I would do it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So I don't think these kids. I'm not putting a
lot of waiting. The kids walk out, They're just it's Friday. Yeah,
it's called Friday day.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You can give me o early weekend. Here I go.
I'm running. I'm walk out. Let's run out. I do
a runout. Yeah, just run, just run, just run, run
for it.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
They can't catch us if we run right right? All right?
Now I mentioned earlier, Greg, this world is upside.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Down, correct, it is upside down world right now.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Stranger stranger things, that's where that's where we live, I
think anymore. Well, I'm trying to figure out. Apparently there
was a vigil of about two hundred nurses, members of
the Utah Nurses Association, held at the state Capitol. I
think it was last night. Okay. They were there to
honor Alex Pett. Pretty. He's a guy who was shot

(05:44):
and killed by ice by Border patrol I believe up
there in Minneapolis. All right, he's a nurse. So these
nurses all got together to show their support for him. Okay, okay,
Now a question I have for you. Did you see
a protest when Lauren Lake and Riley was killed in

(06:06):
Georgia two years ago by nurses? She wanted to be
a nurse.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Did you see a protest like that? Not at all,
Not at all, there wasn't a vigil held for that
young lady here in Utah. Now they're all saying he's
such a hero. This guy, in my opinion, is no hero.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, yeah, now that they have video of it, you've found.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
That video him. Were spitting at cops, kicking, you know,
knocking tail lights off vehicles, confronting cops wherever in any
opportunity he had to confront DHS or Ice. They're in Minneapolis, Yeah,
he was, he was.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
These were violent, violent, and looking to be more violent
types of confrontations. You can see the build up and
how this happens, And this is what I go back to.
These things don't happen in a vacuum. They are probably
making fifty to one hundred attempts every single day to
put Ice in a situation where they feel threatened, where
they and the people that are organizing this they don't

(07:01):
care about their protesters. They're just pawns to them that
they put out there and try to get and catch
Ice making poor decisions where they could use video of
that to condemn all enforcement of immigration laws.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's just that's the goals.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's obvious to see and when you find out that
this guy, how aggressive he's been for how long he was,
he was looking for these moments every day, and nobody's
okay with anyone being shot. But by the way, I
never hear the left ever say what I just said.
I don't hear the left ever show any remorse about
Lake and Riley. I never hear any remorse about the
poor woman on the subway in Nashville. They got our

(07:37):
next slash by that that guy got let out twenty
three times on this catch and release liberal type of
you know, of criminal justice. I never hear the left
express any remorse for the people that are killed by
their policies. But I'm always quick, and you're quick, and
everyone's quick to say, nobody justifies murder, nobody want or murder,
nobody wants anyone killed. But what's going on with Ice

(07:58):
and how they're treating him and the split second decisions
are made, it is a very dangerous situation of which
these people engage and walk straight into and really try
to cause what's happening here.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, so I have no sympathy for that.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, yeah, here's a quote from one of the nurses
up at that demonstration. Greg. I just felt it just
felt natural to honor his service as a nurse and
all the patients that he cared for, particularly the veterans. Yeah, well,
I tell you what this guy. You know, and people
have jumped on him, Christy Nooam for calling him a

(08:32):
domestic terrorist. Tell you what you think about that a
little bit. He is not your peace loving nurse.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
All you have to do, if you want to know
what the real take would be, is you would take
that guy and you would take all the conduct he
is demonstrating towards law enforcement and take the issue of
ice away and put a pro life protest outside of
an abortion clinic and have that same individual doing everything
he's doing, smashing out the tail lights of the law

(08:59):
enforcement vehicle, getting in their face, and just say he's
doing this at a where police are responding to a
pro life rally outside of an abortion clinic. And tell
me that the Left would watch that guy and say
that's a hero. Yeah, they wouldn't, because it's all about
the agenda. It has nothing to do with conduct or
what they're actually doing. It is only about what agenda
that they are furthering through that man's death and what

(09:23):
issue he's talking about when he does it.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Greg how many nurses were at the March for Life
just a week ago, supporting children who've been aborted by
their moms.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'd hope a lot, but.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's not many. They're here to make this guy, And if.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
They were, you're not seeing any any local coverage of it.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, they're not.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
They're not pointing that out, are they?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
World is upside and down? All right? We are going
to get to the Don Lemon story throughout the show today,
but we've got a lot to get too. Great to
be with you on this. Thank Rod and Greg is
Friday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, nrs.
The polls and the media tell you one thing, but
what they don't reveal we'll dig into the that coming
up at the bottom of the hour here on the

(10:02):
Rodd and Greg Show. They have protests around the country.
I just saw a video like you were talking about
kids I think in North Carolina running out of school.
You got some protest ice. Yeah, they were given these
really nice signs. I wonder if where those signs.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, it's so grassroots that they have these really
well printed professional signs. Again, I just think if anyone
thinks that those kids really really care. I'll tell you what,
they really really care about their weekend getting out. They
care about their weekend, their Friday starting early, get going.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I love it. Well. Thousands have taken to the streets
today in Minneapolis, of course, to protest ICE and its
presence there and what it's legally bound to do, would
go after illegal aliens in this country who've committed a crime.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is Ana Garrettelli.
She is an immigration reporter at the Washington Examiner. She
is in Minnesota today and I thank you give us

(10:53):
a mood to the city right now if you would anna.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, the city really seems to be in a state
of mourning after what happened with Renee Go and Alex Pretty.
I just came from Alex Pretty's memorial site where he
was killed on Saturday, and there were hundreds and hundreds
of people who have been coming through all day, including
Congresswoman Ilan Omara and Aana Pressley who came through, and

(11:18):
it just seems like a very solemn moment for the city.
And I think the administration's decision to you know, push
out Greg Bavino, a border patrol and now kind of silence.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
DHS Secretary Christinome.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
I think they're recognized this something needs to be done,
and that's why they're taking action.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Now, you know, if you could help us.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think I have not on purpose, but I have
conflated ICE with Border Patrol. And I've watched Levino. I
actually thought he was leading ICE and not Border Patrol.
Maybe share for our listeners what is the difference, because
the two were kind of pointing fingers at each other
officially or unofficially.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
It seems like they're not on the same page. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
I cover ICE border Patrol pretty much extensively. So both
are agencies within the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
ICE has two arms.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
They've investigative and then Immigration Enforcement, and the immigration enforcement
guys go out and will find people who are illegally
in the country and typically of criminal histories, arrest them,
detain them, and then remove them from the country if
a judge order. So Border Patrol is stationed just at
the border.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
They're at the.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Southern border, the northern border, and then certain parts of
the coastal borders on the east and west, and their
job is to apprehend people or goods or vehicles coming
through between the ports of entry where you or I
would say, drive over the border into Mexico or Canada.
And so border patrol pre nine to eleven would help

(12:47):
out sometimes with interior immigration enforcement, like what I says.
But after nine to eleven, Congress created ICE and said,
you focus on this specifically, and so we haven't seen
border patrol involved in that twenty five years. And ICE
is ICE knows how to do its job right. Border
patrol is helping them. Some of the concerns is that

(13:08):
Border patrol is being pulled in to do ICE's job
and that Border patrol is being a little more i
want to say, liberal or just less sort of rigid
and how it's going about, whereas ICE is always looking
for a specific target in mind before it goes out there.
They're not just going to home depot and such.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
So is that at the center of the dispute right now,
would you say, Anna, if there is a dispute between
ICE and Border as to what the role of each
agency is and how they're performing.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Right now, it is, yes.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
And when people even at the tops of those agencies
agree that hey, you know this is this is really
getting confusing the public. You know, in both shootings that
have happened in Minneapolis the last couple of weeks. Don't
even know which agency to blame, you know, and there's
such a confusion there.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And the career law enforcement.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Officials at the Department of Homelands Security and Tom Holman
at the White House, they recognize that you need a plan,
you need specific things were going after, not just letting
loose hundreds of agents in a city and saying, you know,
be productive, which is kind of what's been happening and
a number of cities across the country under Greg Bavino.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So can I so.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Would it be the case or I'm trying to imagine
why would it change since nine eleven where border patrol
is more in the interior and working the way they are.
Is it because we never saw four years like we
did in the past, where usually it was border states,
border counties where there were the deportations, the turnarounds, the
removals are in close proximity of the border, and those
things happen. And that's why you see the numbers even

(14:41):
Democrat presidents that are so there in the millions, was
because of its proximity to the border. When we saw
the illegal crossings be facilitated by buses and planes and
apartments that are that they were made it did it
make every state of border state. And that is what
drew border patrol in is that is that why you
think that they were involved now where they hadn't been

(15:01):
in the past.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
There's a couple of reasons they're involved now. And after
twenty eleven or so two thousand and one, Congress took
Immigration and Nationality Naturalization Services, turned it into ICE and
Customs and Border Protection different agencies and Border Patrol is
under CBP, and they said we don't want certain agencies.

(15:25):
They basically changed all the agencies and said you're now
doing this. You're now doing this, and so border patrol
lost any responsibility of doing the interior stuff. Certainly under
the Biden administration, of all the people who crossed, we
know for sure that five point three million were released
by Border Patrol, given documents by ICE, or some people

(15:46):
didn't even show up at ICE facilities to get those
core documents into the country. And so the part of
it is the border is in a very different state
now under the Trump administration, with illegal crossings going from
one hundred thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a month or apprehensions to less than ten thousand a
month for the past twelve months, so that frees up

(16:09):
Border Patrol to say, okay, we can actually help out,
you know, whether it be a natural disaster where they
may be needed or in this case ice to bring
in those federal agents and be able to help. So
it's sort of a you know, multiple multiple factors there.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Do you see anna of the day where their roles
will be more clearly defined if they aren't already. And
do you see the day where someone may say, why
don't we just combine the two?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
You know, I think their.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Roles are really well clearly defined. It's just a matter
of like, they both have legal authority to enforce immigration
laws anywhere in the country. Border Patrol has greater authority
to do so go a little beyond its normal authorities
when it's within one hundred miles of the border, so
they're both within line. It's confusing, and I know there's

(16:58):
been some desire within the Department of Home and Security
under the Trump administration to to do just that, to
sort of merge the two, to to say, hey, we
didn't do it right after nine to eleven. Congress didn't
do it right, Let's remake some of DHS. But that's
that's sort of also a long standing thing. So I
don't I don't see much changing. I think part of
the concern within DHS among the people who are career,

(17:22):
lifetime folks who what they've told me is Bordatroll is
being dragged into something that is not their job, and
they're getting this this PR crisis that's around Ice right,
it's it's dragging bordatrolling and they never should have been
in there in the first place, and they're getting muddied
now because of this, because of the shooting that involved

(17:43):
two agents, and so you know, it's it's bringing unnecessary
problems for border patrol where some some of d just
think they never should have been there in the first place,
and it's now there's now they're sort of just associated
with it.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
And thank you very much for joining us on the
ground to Minneapolis and a Garatelli, immigration reporter for The
Washington Examiner on our any hour newsmaker line. All right,
more coming up on the Friday edition of The Rot
and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, Ana,
I hope you're having a good Friday, everybody. I'm Rod
Arquet citizen Greg Hughes. All right, you know you see
a lot with everything that's going on in Minneapolis, Craig,

(18:21):
I think Americans would look at that, see it going
on in Minneapolis, maybe asking themselves, is the country going
to hell in a handbasket? Right? The perception or the
feeling the media likes to create is there's disruption and
disturbance all around the country.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, but caused by the leftist, elitist democrats and the
regime media. That's who's creating it. I mean we've seen
if you take the incidents that are happening, I mean,
if it happens on the other side of the political spectrum,
there's nothing to talk see here, folks. These are mostly
peaceful protests. But then you go to the other side
and it's you know, it's dogs and it's just it's
argument armageddon.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah. Well, what do the polls reveal that the media
likes to conceal us? On our newsbanker line to talk
about that is doctor Brian June Dafty as a physician
and writer. Doctor, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
I'm great thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Doctor. Let me ask you about this. I mean the
poll show. You know, the media is showing all you know,
the mayhem that has been created in Minneapolis. What are
the polls showing and why does the media conceal this?

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Well from your intro, you don't trust the media, obviously,
I don't hear. The media are propagandists and that's why
President Trump called them fake news, and that's what they are.
I wrote about a recent Rasmussen poll that showed the
majority of Americans about two thirds favored Trump's rounding up
of illegals.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
And deporting them.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
And that cut across age race, a lot of demographics,
almost two thirds, and that includes blacks and Hispanics. Even
among Democrats it was over a third that were supportive
of this, and every Republicans is expected about eighty percent.
So clearly majority of the country is in favor of this.

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I think where the rub is is the methods. They
like what's happening, Maybe they don't like how it's happening.
A couple of deaths of instigators and provocateurs, and the
media is playing it up. Notice how the media never
gave a whit about any American killed by an illegal,

(20:27):
Kate Steinley and many others, but all of a sudden,
these two are saints because they put themselves in a
bad situation and suffered the consequences. But that fills the
media and people see that, and yeah, nobody likes to
see somebody get killed, but it's kind of the way

(20:50):
it's being done, and the media is capitalizing on that,
you know, the way they present you know, some kid
that's oh that by ice. No, his parents abandoned him
and I took care of him. But it's the media.
It's what we're exposed to. People have cable news, they
have newspapers and Twitter and whatnot, and this is what's

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being portrayed.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
So I think.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
The dichotomy is they like what's happening, but it's how
it's happening that there's some objection to, and that's going
to be messaging. And Trump's dealing with that. Tom Holman's involved,
and they're making Minnesota officials and offer they can't refuse
and getting them to turn over criminal legals rather than

(21:34):
just letting them loose.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know, I'm watching and I oftentimes see discussions or
if you look at the ratings of some CNN, Fox.
You look at the different MSNBC, it looks like the
Americans are not watching what I call the regime media.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
There are circulations of New York Times and New York
Post or Washington Post I hear are in big trouble.
It looks like people are pulling away from from the
regime media or or or it's being an authoritative source. However,
whatever they decide is going to be the story magically
becomes the narrative in the story. And and so there's

(22:10):
no amount of violence that can happen that doesn't that
condemns their worldview that you ever really get, we ever
see spoken about or frame the same way as the
things that they care about or want us to see.
And my worry is when you see Trump reset and
you see him bring Tom Homan in to me, it
feels like it works. It works what they're doing. People

(22:31):
feel more unsettled by what Ice is doing to enforce
federal law than what we've seen the left doing to
this country during the Biden administration or right now even
trying to clean up what the Biden administration did. Am
I wrong or am I or if I am what?
Or if I'm if I'm right, what are we going
to do about this? Because it's just two worlds. They
get to do whatever they want however they want, and

(22:53):
the other side is constantly apologizing.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
Well that's assuming Trump is apologizing and truly changing his objectives.
A lot of this, as you observed, as public perception,
and that has to be managed. We're not a democracy,
but a constitutional republic where people vote, and that's an
important aspect. We're not in a thugocracy like some countries

(23:19):
in the Middle East and elsewhere where the president just
does what they want and to help what people think,
we do have to manage public perception. And I think
Trump is pivoting, and I don't think he's giving up
on any of his objectives. It's just they're going to
just take a pivot and try a new strategy. So
instead of throwing the football, we're going to run it
a little more. We're going to approach it this way

(23:41):
or approach it that way. The goal is still to win,
it's just the tactics. And this is I think a
constant refinement that you do things and you see how
they're playing and how they're being reacted to, and then
pivot but all of a sudden, the Minnesota is not
going to release people on ice detainers. They're going to

(24:02):
turn them over to ice and they're going to be handled,
and that's how it should be done. So I think
things are happening behind the scenes that Trump is squeezing
these guys and telling them this is how it's going
to be. But you do have to manage public perception.
I think that's an unfortunate part of politics.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Hey, you're right about the narrative and how it has
replaced analysis in today's journalism.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
What happened, Well, the corporate media has been liberal since
of the Vietnam days.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is nothing new. Fortunately.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Now it's not like in the sixties where there were
three networks and the local newspaper and a couple of
big newspapers and.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
That was it.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Now there's alternative media and people get their news on Twitter,
which has been unleashed following Elon Musk's purchase, and on Telegram,
where there's all sorts of channel and you can get
up to the minute news easily without bias and filter.
People don't watch the evening news, yeah, some do, but

(25:12):
cable news is dying. You may get a good show
may get four or five hundred thousand viewers in a night,
well in a country of two hundred and fifty million people,
so a lot. That's a drop in the bucket, and
most most people tune that out, but they do have
to get their information somewhere. But with social media and

(25:32):
alternative media sub stack blogs like American Thinker, people can
read and become informed through other avenues. So I think
it's defeating the corporate media and they're obviously losing their influence,
which is.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
A good thing.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, and that's the glass half fools. I just want
to ask you, is that even though the regime media
still seems to have the power of persuasion or of narrative,
and it seems what we what we focus on. It
looks like the polls the people aren't buying it. Typically
in the past, whatever they were saying, that's where the
conventional wisdom went as well. It looks like the polls
show that people, as you said point, support the president's

(26:12):
effort to enforce immigration laws and they're not really buying
wholesale the what the media is pushing on them. Is
that going to just keep improving or how do you
see things rolling out?

Speaker 6 (26:23):
I think it will continue. Trump is marching along with
his agenda. Congress has woken up and they're planning to
pass a bunch of bills to codify Trump's executive actions.
The save actors in play. The ball is moving down
the field. It hasn't crossed the finish line. There's still
the Senate filibuster, but things are going forward. The FBI

(26:47):
raided the Georgia Fulton County election headquarters and this is
not just a routine rate. Talsea Gabbard was there. She's
the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks volumes that this
is a national security issue, hinting at foreign interference and
I'm sure things will happen. And Trump hints at that,

(27:09):
and Davos he said, you're going to see stuff very
soon and prosecutions. So things are happening. He's got the
Trump Savings account for kids. There are a lot of
things happening aside from the immigration that are very favorable.
And in terms of the polls, they rasp me sends.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
A good poll.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
They survey likely voters and they get more accurate than
just surveying random people.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's a great conversation. Thank you and enjoyed the weekend.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Thank you, thank you as well.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
All Right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Kay
and ars. I would bet Greg that each and every
one of the listeners we have listening to the show
right now are going to shout for joy when I
share this story with them.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Well, I shout yes, Okay, okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
A Belgian study has found you'll love this, that paper
straws contain toxice forever chemicals and it could be worse
than plastic straws.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I have hated those those soggy paper straws from day one.
They were stupid to start with, and now have forever
chemicals in them. Isn't that just about right?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
According to the study, straws might not be as eco
friendly that they've been promoted to be. Belgian researchers found
that these so called green utensils, the straws, are toxic
and therefore potentially worse for the environment than they're much
vilified plastic counterparts. That's according to a study published today

(28:49):
in the journal Food Additives and Containment.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Contempt is anyone keeping score of anything that the Left
comes up with that they say is better for the environment. Actually,
isn't worse. You've seen the fate of these of these
windmills and the plastic it requires, the birds, Yeah, the
plastic requires to build them. How quickly they start to decompose.
How do you how do you get rid of them
and dispose of them safely? All the wildlife and birds.

(29:15):
As you just point out that they kill, it's only
temporary power. They can't sustain it or have a battery
good enough to keep it when the wind's not blowing.
But then you go when you look at Tesla, we
like electric cars because it's not a combustible engine. We
don't have to have an extraction industry until you find
out that the rare minerals required for the battery require
a robust extraction industry. So breaking into the ground and

(29:37):
pulling stuff out of the ground, which was your whole
point on of electric vehicles versus combustible engines, that doesn't
actually play out either. Yeah, there's lots of extraction that
has to go to get these rare minerals. So you're
still in you're still in an extraction industry. So that
that didn't play out.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I mean, well, and if we have time a little
bit later on in the show, Greg Today this year
marks the twenty thing anniversary of an Inconvenient truth, Al
Gore's Yeah, I didn't he win an oscar for this thing?
Or he did something right? Well, the folks had issues
and insights have taken a look at what he forecast
and what has actually happened. It ain't a pretty picture.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm sure. It's like he's remember these dooms day. Remember
it's like Jim Jones. Are these these weirdo religious people
that keep saying the end of the earth is coming
by this date? And then the day comes, it goes.
It's not happening. But they've been crying. You know that
we were going to lose the Arctic capture, going to
disappear a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
But here we are. Next time you go into a restaurant,
ask for a plastic instead of a paper straw.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Absolutely, I don't want to have a straw.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Want to kill you. That's coming up, our number five,
our number two is on his way. Every opportunity you have,
you slam Davids.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Kunt Well if I can, Yes, I tried.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's the vast wasteland according to you.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, it's Canada.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Canada.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I like it south. No, uh yeah, the weather
it actually changes. You've just head a little bit north
of the studio, and so it was a little more,
like I said, a little more foggy north. But it's
fine here all those I you know, I am just
not aware that this this was a Department of Wholands
Security whatever facilities around our station. I don't take that

(31:18):
way just south, so I don't drive past it. I
don't leave it, so I don't see it. But apparently
when I talk to you Jason's or e Rate, there's
a lot of people out there at times, out there, uh, protesting.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think I've counted ten or fifteen.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
There you go, and I yeah, I don't know the
performative nature of the politics of the left right now.
I don't know who that's for or what they think
they're doing. I don't I'm pretty close to this building
and I didn't know they existed, So I don't know
who is supposed to see that.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
You don't cold Why why don't conservatives and those of
us on the right know how to protest?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
And we don't. I will confess it. I have failed.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
You say, apparently there's some protests going on downtown right
now against the heights. Okay, half these people probably don't
know what I stands for as a matter of fact,
but you know, they get people to turn on. What
is it about those of us on the right doing
lawbiding citizens? What is it I mean they are breaking
the law. Well maybe maybe they are. We don't know that.
You know, I've never seen a big right rally in

(32:21):
my life.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
No, because we're not good at it. Like I said,
I try. No, Yeah, there's not We're not good. We're
not good at it. I tried it, I was asked
to do it. I went to Ben McAdams Congression office.
How you feel the whole thing was just a nightmarriage
just were just we didn't have any good we have
a good chance. We didn't rhyme, we didn't we weren't
dressed for the weather. It was just terrible, just terrible,
you know, because we have jobs, we work, we're busy.

(32:43):
We just can't answer marching around here screaming. By the way,
we don't have anyone printing our signs. Like you see
all these these marches now and uh.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Good looking signs, Yeah, yeah they are, they are. They
are homemade. I can tell you that. Shall we talk
for am min about good Don Lemon.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, let's talk about that clown. I'm so glad he
got arrested. But you know, he's got a good He's
got the lawyer that represented Hunter Biden and a bunch
of others, and I guess it's a good lawyer. But
and he loves the attention. I'm sure, boy, would I
like to see him get in trouble for it. He
doesn't even just cover it. He confronted people in that church.
He confronted him, he stopped him, He asked him questions
really provocative and actually I think questions meant to to

(33:26):
to inflames. So I think he was more than just
a bystander reporting. I think he was a participant.

Speaker 7 (33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Now you've got a journalists around the country who are
defending him. Right, here's my issue with what he did.
Obviously he knew something was going to happen, or he
wouldn't have been there. Yeah, I want to know what
his role was in organizing this, if he had a
role at all in any of this, or if he
was tipped off that he knew someone was about to
break the law and he was going there to see it.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Happen, he was yet, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
And then the thing that everyone's well, he's these protesters
inside that church, what was it two weeks ago, a
week ago, whatever, that's not important, made little kids cry
in that church, would not let them see their mothers. Yeah,
blocked the inside their church, block their way from getting
out of there, blocked the women's way from seeing their children.

(34:21):
And Don Lemon was a part of that. Now, so
are you journalists in this community saying, well, as a
journalist he has a word to report the news. Yes
he does, but not if he's part of the news.
And that's what he made him say.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And trust passing into a place of worship, I am
coming to tell you if you if that was a mosque,
they wouldn't it would be it would absolutely be so
easy for them to understand why that doesn't work. It
is only Christian faith, Christian churches that you're allowed to
just make a mockery of, trample over come inside, interrupt services,
and somehow that's just freedom of speech. There's no there's

(34:53):
no well, go read the Federal Code about you know, healthcare.
They're talking abortion clinics, but places of worship they have
equal protections. In terms of protesters, any entering facilities, interrupting
what's going on inside. There's no distinguishing between the two.
You're not allowed to do it. He has violated the
federal law. And everybody that walked in that church and
interrupted that service violated federal law. And they're happy to

(35:14):
apply that law when it's an abortion clinic. But this
also applies to places of worship, and they and and
so I don't even know what the case. The case
is open and shut. They're guilty of violating federal law. Yeah,
it really is. It's just a popularity contest on what
what politics are the jurors or the or the DA
or whoever would prosecute it, whether they're going to do

(35:36):
it or they're going to have that selective logic about
the left is always right and the right is always wrong.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Here's some of the comments being made by various journalism
organizations around the country. The arrest of journal is Don
Lemon in connection with his reporting on a protest in
Minnesota should alarm all journalists and all Americans reporting on it.
He was involved in it.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
He was involved.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
That's the problem with it. Jailing a journeys a journalist
for doing their job is dangerous not only for press freedom,
but for the public's right to know.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Don Lemon's unemployed, didn't even have a job, just because.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
He has he has his own thing.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, the regime media always mocked any kind of
you know, podcast or anyone that did their own thing.
They never wanted to call that real journalism while he
was at CNN. Now that he's out, now.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
He's a journalist.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
He's a bona fide journalist. He's a clown.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I love this one. You'll like this one. The selective
targeting of journalists, especially black and lgbt Q I a
journalist raises urgent concerns about the unequal enforcement and retaliatory
policies on the press.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Show. Show me another journalist that's going into a place
of worship, interrupting that that place of worship, hounding the
congregants as they're trying to leave because they can't have
church anymore, badgering them with questions when they don't want
to even engage. Show me the other journalists other than
him that's done it, and I will show you that.
I want to see the law applied to that journalist
as well, without regard to color or political persuasion. If

(37:02):
they're interrupting a place of worship doing what Don Lemon
in those protesters did, they broke the law. It's that simple.
It doesn't get more complicated.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, well, here's journalist Don Lemon. The folks at Media
Research Center put a little montage together of Don Lemon,
the journalist.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
I'm not a political person. I'm a person who lives
in reality. I'm a journalist. We have to stop demonizing
people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country
is white men and we have to start doing something
about them.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
There is no white guy band.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
So what do we do about that.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
A woman is considered being a prime in or twenties
and thirties and maybe forties.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's not according to me. If you google women as
a woman in.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
A prime, it'll say twenties, thirties and forties. It says
it right in the name Antifa, anti fascism, which is
what they were there fighting.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Listen, there's you know, no organization is perfect.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
There are some violence right now.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
Our democracy is in dangerous because of one party, and
that's the Republican Party. The only party now that is
operating in reality is the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
That is an objective journalist.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
No, yeah, yeah, that's that's objective. That's the mostly peaceful
protest reporter right there.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
He went after women, he went after white people, he
went after Republicans. You know, he went that's he's an
objected journalist though.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
And I love the clips of the black churches that said,
don Lemon try that stunt in our church and see
what happens, Poald, You're not gonna You're not gonna like it,
and uh, and it's true. I just think that he's
he gets away with things, and they're all all the left.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
We're watching it.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
There's things that they get away with that that I
think every day Americans forget Republicans. Everyday Americans cannot get
away with the behavior and the violating of federal law,
whatever laws like the left, if they have the right
agenda and they're backed by the right people, that they're
allowed to break the law without without pause, just they're
able to do it and they have excuses for it.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
It's crazy, you know, I wonder what would happen. Let
me just paint a picture for Greg of a local
journalist here in Salt Lake City. I don't care what
station they work for or what media outlet. Let's say
they know a protest is about to take place inside
a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints meeting house,
and they go in there with the protesters, yeah, and

(39:18):
start scaring people in that chapel as they're holding their
sacrament meeting. What do you think the journalist would say here?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
And what would their bosses say?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
And that would not go over I'm telling you, Even
in I mean a lot of a lot of Utah
and its media are left of center. But I don't
think that would fly here at all.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I don't I would hold that.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I think the I think it would be a deal
breaker for whatever reporter did that, they wouldn't be employed
in this if they were. If they were, they'd be done.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It'd be interesting to see. But I know a few
who'd do it well in the past.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
The world's getting crazier. Who knows how far this goes?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I will tell you this, For all the immigration efforts
going on across this country, and Minneapolis represents a tiny,
tiny slice, although it's getting one hundred percent of the attention.
But the same efforts and the same enforcements happening everywhere else.
Why don't we see it because you don't have a
crazy governor and a mayor instructing their police departments to
not help, to not be a part of it. But

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it's going on successfully. But if that one place in
America where it is not going on, that is not
happening successfully because the left is trying to make it unsuccessful.
If they slow it down, if they see any progress
from the chaos that they are creating and the lawlessness
they are encouraging, that will spread to the cities. We're
not seeing that today. We're not seeing this, and we

(40:39):
these operations are underway around the country. We're not seeing
what's happening in Minneapolis and other parts of this country.
But if they get more success in Minneapolis, you're going
to start seeing this breakout of interruption, interfering with law enforcement,
this violence. You're going to see all this start to
erupt around the country.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Because it works, it hasn't spread yet.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Why not, you know what?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think their way? I think really I think they're waiting.
They I think there's that there's been a change of
guard in Minneapolis. I think that's a win for them.
They want to see how much they can get and
then they're going to just take that model and they're
going to go down to i'd say Austin, Texas. They're
going to go, well, go try it in Texas and Florida,
see how that works for you. But in the Blue
states Blue so they'll they'll do it in Denver and Colorado.

(41:23):
They they'll try it in La if we're if we're there,
I'm just saying this, whatever you put up with, you
get more of what the stunts that are going on
in Minneapolis, Minnesota. If it is, if it works, and
it creates a national fear, and now you have if
you do have polls or people that say, well, I'd
just rather have the lawlessness and the criminals that are
there than the enforced federal law because look how crazy

(41:44):
and unsettling it looks, and look how chaotic it is,
and that makes me feel feel fearful. So stop doing it.
If that, if that works, we're going to get much
more of the riots. We're gonna get much more of
the confrontation with law enforcement. We're just gonna get more
of it all over the country.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
All Right. I think Rod and Gregg, it's Friday. It's
time we open up the phones and let you talk
about whatever is on your mind tonight. A lot went
on this weekend. Looks like we may have a new
FED chairman. You can talk about that. We'll talk about
the arrest of Don Lemon, the protests taking place here
in Salt Lake City and around the country, and whatever
else is on your mind. The lines are open to
you tonight eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,

(42:20):
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the Rod and Greg Show. The worm has turned yea.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
There is more information to share with you regarding a
particular bill that went largely unnoticed.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Out of the Senate.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Got all these votes except for one smart senator that
said no, it was that alienation of affection, Billy. It
seems that the homewreckerd lobby was very, very powerful in
the Senate in the early part of the session, and
we're able to get a near unanimous vote to end
the actual item of the civil lawsuit or the ability
to file a civil lawsuit over the topic of alien

(43:00):
alienation of affection in times of divorce or if someone
comes into a relationship and interrupts a marriage and the
kids and everything else, that it was an actionable item.
Civilly before the a journalist from the Federalists talked about this.
We had her on the show yesterday and we just

(43:20):
kept asking out loud why we found out today at
least where some of the gears are turning in the
state of Utah, and why this makes a little more
sense today than it did yesterday.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Well, the story was that originally we picked up on
this story because Kirsten Cinema, she is the former senor
from the state of Arizona, allegedly had an affair with
a guy, a member of her staff and it led
to his divorce from his wife, and his wife is
now issuing Cinema for alienation of affection damages. Right, That's
how the story and that's how we picked up on

(43:53):
this story had quite a few comments. Well, then comes today,
so we see this story today both the UK Daily
Mail and in the New York Post about a married
real estate mogul right here in Utah allegedly offered a
female subordinate more than three million dollars plucked from his
company of stock as part of a indecent proposal to

(44:17):
steal her away from her husband. That was a lawsuit
that has been filed here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You heard that, folks. You got a very wealthy man
living up in Park City. He offers an incredible incentive
package to an employee if she would just leave her
husband and her children, divorce and be his side chick
and the husband didn't really like this, and he became
aware of the financial incentives, the transactional nature of this

(44:48):
and has sued or is looking to sue based on
alienation of affection, And all of a sudden, weirdly, weirdly,
there's just a bill that's say that's not going to
be a law anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I that's the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Now, in defense of the Senate, I will say, don't
think that everybody knows this guy up in Park City.
Everybody wants to help get him out of trouble, and
they don't want to see him sued, so they're all
running this bill. But what tends to happen sometimes is
that somebody of wealth of influence, has a friend, knows
a friend, maybe goes to a lawmaker and in a
different way says, you know, this whole bill there's only

(45:24):
five states that do it. This is a crazy law.
Don't you think we should just get rid of this?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I am even willing to give these senators the benefit
of the doubt. But what we talked about yesterday is
when you read the bill very quick, just one sentence,
you can't this is no longer an actual item. The
question just kept at why, like why would you sponsor
this bill? Who just out of nowhere really thought this
was a front burner issue. Well, the New York Post
in its national story about a man in Utah who's

(45:51):
giving this indecent has given us indecent proposal to break
up a marriage, and there's litigation that could follow or
is falling, kind of connects some dots, at least for me.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Well, the woman's husband has now filed suit, as we mentioned,
against the chief executive of the Utah based real estate
firm Real Brokerage Okay, allegedly that he is accusing the
chief executive of trying to bribe his wife, a married
mother of two who worked for him with heaps of cash,

(46:24):
real estate deals and lavish trips, if she would leave
her husband and marry him.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So the man that's the story The man who's upset
says that his wife has been offered all of these things, Yes,
if she will in fact leave him and their children.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Mm hmm yeah, yeah, The husband says, accuses the mogul
of this prokerage firm of destroying his marriage through the
incessant incense, incessant attempts to poach his wife from him.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
So is it a coincidence, you know, we have this
alienation of it? Is this just a wild instance and
in real time while this bill is strang I just
I didn't even know this was a law until the
Federals put out this. And again, Federals is a nationally
it's a national publication. The Federals puts out this story
points out that Utah recently, like right now, is just

(47:17):
getting rid of this law, or one of five states.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
And I'm going weird, like I didn't know the law
was around.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
But you know, I just think, like home wreckers, Why
are we worried about the homewreckers? Why why are we
wanting to protect them? It's just we we joked about it.
We I mean, Hall of Oates has been worrying warning
us about this with their man Eater songs and their
family Man song, we played why Now? Then the next
morning the New York Post comes out with this national
story that the epicenter of the story about the indecent

(47:44):
proposal and the attempt to break up a marriage is
happening right here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Websidence. You you be the judge, Folks, who am I
to say?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
The CEO of this company has flatly denied the allegations,
but the lawsuit has been filed by the uh. I
guess now exhus but not I believe they're divorced now,
but against against him. So it's alienation of affection again.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
So some people might say and ask the relevant question, well,
would that have a retroactive day?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Would that stop the slawsuit?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And here's what happened sometimes, and this is where sometimes
bills that get filed they do have they do have
an impact on what goes forward. If that is no
longer a law in our state and you're adjudicating something
that no longer has has the effect of law, it
starts to diminish penalties, It starts to diminish the whether

(48:34):
that built that that court case goes through, or if
there is even a guilty verdict found you're now finding
someone guilty of a law that the judge looks around
and says, that's not even a law anymore. And it
has it can have a chilling effect on how justice
would be served on a case like that.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, well, we had a listener call this and say,
that's very difficult to prove. And maybe that's one of
the reasons why lawmakers are saying difficult to prove. Maybe
we shouldn't have it on the book.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I think there's some receipts on this one.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It sounds like there's some very specific offer, financial offers
that have been proffered for this woman to leave her husband, and.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Votes those are the allegations.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Allegations.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But how weird that this just this year, of all years,
this this just came to the front burner. And again
I just I could not get I couldn't understand how
the home wrecker lobby just got so strong, enjoyed such
strong support.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
It just seemed odd to me.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
And then I read this story from the New York
Post about Utah and this happening, and I think, ah, okay,
I think I might know that someone knew someone and
they thought, yeah, this is a crazy law.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
You might want to get rid of that, and these
poor senators if they I'm going to tell you, having
been in the House, that the Senate President should ask
that should should send a message to communication to the House.
We would the Senate would like to reconsider sections on
Senate Bill. I think it's one to night and ask
for the sent House to send it back. And and I
think they should bring that on the floor and kill
it better than fried chicken. I think that would compare

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a lot of people a lot of splaining to do.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I'm just saying, we'll see all right more the RODDI
Greg Show coming up here on Utah's talk radio one
oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Our listeners might not be interested in this, but I
did think that the story yesterday. We had some great comments,
some great feedback on what is what's up with this
weird bill? Why are we doing this now? What's going on?
And we read what happens, you know, what's going on
in Utah with someone that's of you know, has high
net worth and is being sued. And this isn't just
some like someone's assuming that they were flirting at the

(50:37):
office and that led to the you know, their marriage
being dissolved. There was an actual money offered, benefits offered.
I mean, I guess the Daily Mail version of the
story gets into way more detailed than the New York
Post story. So, but you're talking national publications that that
is contractual to a level that we weren't even talking
about yesterday when we were imagining the scenario and how

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they play out and there should be laws against them
or not. But you see that today and you ask yourself,
and I think it's true. I think it's too wild
of a coincidence to not have some nexus for the
home wreckerd lobby to just be so powerful. And the
legislature of this session give me a break.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Well, they they the Senate has passed it. I guess
a House committee has passed it as well. I think, oh,
go check the status and that era was checking on
that may have may have passed that bill or has
been considered in committee with that. Yeah, so with the House.
So it's just an interesting story one that neither one

(51:40):
of us was aware that you taught even at a
law in the books. This came to light as a
result of a similar lawsuit, a similar lawsuit or a
similar somewhat like lawsuit we could say, filed in North
Carolina against the former senator from Arizona, Kirsten sinem And
this woman claims that she stole her husband away from

(52:01):
her and is now seeking financial damages as a result
of that divorce. And come to find out, Utah as
of yesterday was one of five states. Apparently a state
has already gotten rid of that law, but Utah still
has it on the books. But even here in Utah
they're now trying to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
So I'm looking at the status now that you know,
there is a legislative website l dot Utah dot CoV.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I've looked it up.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
It is Centate Bill one oh nine Alienation of Affection
Amendments Centate Bill one o nine. Its status is that
on January twentieth and went to a standing committee. So
on January twenty second, which would have been I think
the second day of the of the of the session YEA,
it passed, although there was a substitute given no on

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that day. On the twenty second it passed six votes yes,
zero no, and three absent. It found its way on
the Senate votes on every bill twice, so they had
a second reading calendar on the twenty six so it
passed on the twenty second. On twenty sixth it passed
twenty five to one with three absent, and on the
twenty seventh, the next day it passed their third reading

(53:09):
calendar twenty six to one. The one loan and I
would argue, smartest senator and the state Senate right now,
Dan McKay, who must know that his wife, who's a
city councilwoman and knows how to read bills, because I
don't know how you. I don't know how you pat
run the I don't know how you suld vote for
this bill and tell your wife that you're the Homewreckord
lobby really did make a strong argument why you shouldn't

(53:29):
have this law on the books anyway, six twenty five
to one on the second reading, twenty six to one
on the se on the third reading, passes the Senate
floor and is remitted to the House for its consideration
and was sent to the Rules Committee on the twenty eighth,
that is sitting in the Rules House Rules Committee right now.
I don't see it's assigned to a House committee, but

(53:49):
it would be my recommendation to my friends that are
in the legislature that they may want to reconsider some
actions on the Senate side, maybe send that bill back,
but the Senate would have to ask for it back.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Yeah, just a little.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Bit of a little advice, a little just my.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Take right now, I just think that this might be
you know, in politics, perceptions, reality even. I mean, I
just don't think you want to own this story that
the New York Post and the Daily Mails pushing out
there right now. I don't think you want to be
a your facilitating to some degree the story that's going
on there.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Well, and the author we had on yesterday who wrote
about this, she's an attorney as well, said, you know,
people who were caught up in situations like this, the
family member who's left out in the cold, maybe having
to take care of the children, they don't they really
don't have any recourse to protect themselves. This bill gave
them that recourse, gave them an avenue where they could say, hey,

(54:39):
wait a minute, I've been done wrong here and something
something's got to change. And Greg and I we both
admit it. We didn't know there was such a law.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
No, but there is. We're now finding out that at
the same time that a very high profile case of
alienation of affection has hit the national scene. There is
a bill running through the legislature right now that is
trying to eliminate that law entirely from the books.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
All right, more coming to do. Yeah, the Rod and
Graig Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
ok NRS two years resolution you made this. You need
to mention that the President announced today during a meeting
in the Oval Office that to celebrate America's two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary, which of course coming up in July,
sometime this summer, they're going to have an IndyCar race

(55:29):
in the nation's capital. I'm not sure how they're going
to do this or where they're going to do it,
but I tell you what they're going to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
You know, there's some Formula one races that are in Miami,
I think, Austin, Texas, but then in Las Vegas. And
that makes sense because you can go to around these
twisting roads. It's like in Monaco and everything. But Indy
racing is an oval like in NASCAR race. So where
are you going to circle around DC like you would
in Indianapolis five hundred type track?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I don't know, don't know the President announced that today
it will be interesting to see what happens now. Unlike
out here, the parts of the East are getting hammered
either by snow or ice storms. I heard Clay on
the Clay and Buck show today. He lives in Nashville,
saying on his show today that there are still one
hundred thousand homes in Nashville without power and a lot

(56:21):
of the frustration greg is being directed toward Nashville Electric Company.
It is interesting green efforts and wouldn't you know, you're
not really seeing a lot of national coverage Milk. This
is we're there now into day six without electricity. There
are fatalities over this you had. It is so bad
that you've had linemen from other utilities that have offered

(56:42):
and volunteered to come on the scene in Nashville and
help them, because what they did is they didn't take
care of the trees got you know, ice storm made
the tree limbs heavy, fell on the fell on the
power lines and caused the outage. And that's from that
is from not taking care of the power lines all along.
But when something like that happens, you've got to restore
the power and you've got to you've got to it

(57:04):
takes a lot of work. So you had all this
manpower willing to in a small amount of time bring
to bear a lot of workforce to help get those
lines back up, get the trees cut away. And this
electricity company said, no, thank you, We're fine here, We've
got it now. If you look at this, this company, this,
this electric company has spent a lot of time on DEI.
They've had like, I don't know, twenty thirty meetings about

(57:27):
DEI with their employees. That they really spend a lot
of time heralding advertising. They are very they're very progressive
in their politics, but when it comes to bringing power
or restoring power to their customers, it's getting really really
ugly out there, and it doesn't look like anyone cares.
The governor of Tennessee is now on social media berating

(57:47):
them and saying that tennesseees are facing an extremely challenging
recovery process and he's demanding better communication and transparency. He's
doing it through social media, folks, to this, to this
electric company, I think this is a fail that you
were not really getting the full story of here nationally. Well.
Back in August, the CEO of the Nashville Electric Service

(58:08):
was basically touting their tree hugging service. There was an
effort to trim some of the trees, but she says,
those trees are beautiful. We do not want to hurt
the trees. So they refuse to do anything of these
trees near the power lines, even a managed trimming to
be able to do it. So what happens now you
get a heavy ice storm. Those trees can't bear the weight.

(58:31):
They fall on power lines and guess what, people are
without power? And like you said, they have spent more
money on DEI seminars than they have on tree trimming.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And enough just the once they're bad leadership has been
brought to bear and you are now in day six
of no electricity for as many people as you mentioned.
You would think they would at least self correct at
this point, but they're not. They're turning away help. How
just imagine this. Imagine So the governor is saying, you know,
I am demanding as the governor that we need to

(59:05):
have clear timeline for the power restoration. We need transparency
on the number of linemen that are being deployed. We
need a better understanding of when the work will be
completed in their neighborhood. This would be like a massive
area in Utah or along the Wassatch Front going out.
And the best that Governor Cox could do is say,
we really want to know what's going on. Hey, Governor,
I don't know, Maybe gott to just start going in

(59:27):
there and running it yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I'd do something.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I don't think I'd let six people day six tomorrow,
we day seven go this long without electricity, especially when
you're starting to see fatalities over it all. I think
it deserves more than some condemnation over social media. If
the State of Tennessee doesn't take charge, I think it's
going to be a bad look for this whole state
and its Republican leadership if they don't do what obviously

(59:50):
this power company's unable to do well.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Back in August, this CEO said, we have customers sometime
that are concerned that we are trimming aggressively and not
taking into account the health of the t Yeah, or
I have to power outage instead.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Well, ask about the health of the people who have
been without power for six days and sadly, the fatalities
that have occurred because of the lack of power. It's
again skewed priorities here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Quick note Super Bowl coming up a week from Sunday. Yes, right,
the Seattle Seahawks and New England Patriots will be sporting
more than just their Super Bowl sixty patches. They will
also wear USA two hundred and fifty patches. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I like that because I think that halftime show is
going to be a nightmare. So let's say I can't
see some Patriots on a uniform. You know, I actually
want to see that, just to see what happened. I mean,
if the guy comes out in address.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, he's maybe a treasure drum up some oblissy who knows. Right,
All right, Apparently freedom of speech does not exist in
parts of this country. We'll tell you where it's taking place,
coming up on the Rotting Great Show to stay with
us now we're number three is on its way.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
This year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Marks are two hundred fiftieth birthday, right, Greg, Yes, freedom
of speech is rather important. It's part of this country,
is it not? One would think, Yeah, one would think.
But apparently there are people around the country who, apparently,
if they say anything in support of MAGA or ice
right now, could find themselves in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Yeah, is it weird, It's sad, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Heaven forbid that nurse got their license suspended because he
said he's not going to perform any medical services, any
medical delivery or anesthesia to someone who wants to make
America great again. But now, if you're a teacher and
you happen to support the president's efforts, or you just
want federal immigration laws enforced, then go look for a
new job somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Well, there's this story out of Chicago where a teacher
has been placed on leave after posting on Facebook supporting
Ice two words you know what she said, go Ice,
And apparently people got winto this and are now demanding
her resignation. Let's talk more about it right now. Joining
us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line as Jonathan Butcher.
He is an education Fellow with the Heritage Foundation. Jonathan,

(01:02:01):
thanks for joining the Rowd and Greg show this afternoon.
Tell us about the story. Apparently this idea of freedom
of speech in America has gone out the window.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Well, teacher freedom is limited in the course of their
professional duties anyway. But the issue here is that we've
got to give students a clear indication of what's going on,
especially with high profile issues such as this. If you're
going to teach young people how to evaluate difficult political decisions,
you've got to give them both sides of an issue

(01:02:30):
so that they can have a conversation that is more
fueled by their knowledge of what the details are than
by sort of the heat that's happening from both sides,
and especially what they're being told from the mainstream media
and from quote experts right about what may be the
true intention of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
So, in good public policy, I would argue that it
really shouldn't matter what the opinion is. It's what's the process.
How is freedom of speech exercised? And it should apply
to anything? At that point, if you've got a solid
process in front of you, you have leftists who think
they can say anything and everything, demonizing some people that
they don't see the world the same others. If they

(01:03:12):
expressed any support for then they should be terminated. How
do you is he's Levens and he lives in Chicago.
Does he just need to move? Is there any shots
that you can have a policy that would that would
include speech generally or is it just the speech of
choice that's going to be protected or punished.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
Well, I think that the goal for you know this
this instructor is they should be looking for schools that
are open to other ideas than what might be coming
from the teacher union. The teachers union have a pretty
firm control of what's going on in Chicago. But fortunately,
you know, there are still private schools that are still
charter schools in the state of Illinois, and I think

(01:03:55):
that the the opportunity is there for the teacher to
find a place that lines with his or her mission.
I mean, look, the big issue here for traditional public
schools is that civics education is not taught enough, and
it is not taught in a way that prepares students
to be contributing members of their local communities or even
when it comes to big national discussions. So I think

(01:04:18):
that we need to be telling and helping school boards
adopt civics instruction that teaches students the value of understanding
what the Constitution says, understanding what their role is as
a contributing member to society, and understanding that they need
to be a part of the shared American experience, our

(01:04:41):
shared sense of national identity around the ideas of freedom, opportunity, liberty.
And I think that what public schools have done is
they've said America is systemically racist. They have said that
America is not a place that they should be proud of,
and they've in that way they have rob students of
the American dream. And look, we've seen this happen since

(01:05:04):
the Obama administration.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Boy, I tell you what, Jonathan, In a year in
which this country is celebrating as two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,
you hear stories like this and you scratch your head.
Where does the school board stand on this? Are they
willing to stand behind the teacher? Are they? Are they
afraid of the union and the parents who avoided their
objections to this? Where's the school board stand right now?
Do you know?

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Hard to say where this specific school board is, but
I will tell you that the teachers' unions have significant
clout in Chicago. I mean, these unions were able to
keep schools closed during COVID. They hurled accusations at those
who said that schools should be reopened. These are the

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unions that have blocked the formation of new charter schools
in the Chicago area. They've limited the options for parents
to find other alternatives for their children that assigned schools.
In fact, these unions were behind efforts to ultimately shut
down what was a private school scholarship opportunity in the
state of the Illinois. So you know, this is a

(01:06:10):
real issue that parents, I think and voters don't understand
that teachers are excuse me, teacher unions already made political
action committees, right, They're not representing the working conditions of
their teachers, right. What they're really after is moving teacher
union does right money from teacher paychecks to their favored
left of center interest groups and left of center candidates

(01:06:32):
for that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I'm looking at it just I'm going to look at
it one different way here, what if would it be?
Is it okay if because I heard the criticism that
this teacher in Chicago, with the student population he teaches,
expressing any positive sentiment towards ICE could create some barriers
or some frustrations, whatever it might be. The case is
a middle ground on this that teachers should just stay

(01:06:57):
off of social media and not not promote their play
local opinions generally, if they have students are in front
of and parents might have different opinions. Would that be
a I'm just looking for like the normy path here, you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
Know, well, I mean I think that teachers can have
their opinions, and asking teachers to be neutral on every
issue in the classroom is just unreasonable. I mean, it's
impossible for someone to be able to do that. So
in reality, I think you can set responsible parameters, right
reasonable limits on what teachers what is age appropriate for
students to be learning. And I think that if you

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have students in say elementary school or even in middle
school who have not had a good set of courses
on either civics or US history, presenting them with a
very complex political problem is not something they're going to
be ready to digest. And what you will be giving
them is simply your opinion for which they have nothing
to rebutt it with, right, they have, No, they don't

(01:07:50):
have the tools that they need to respond. So it's
just essential that we move to a set of civics
instructions that does talk about as you mentioned the fact
that this is America's two fiftieth then we should be
celebrating the core ideas of what's in the Declaration of
Independence and the Constitution because those are the concepts that
set America apart on the world stage. Right, this idea

(01:08:13):
of a representative government that appreciates the liberties of the individual,
that's what makes America unique in world history. And I
think if students are told that the only way to
define America is because of slavery or because of the
Jim Crow era, these are the kinds of things I
think that tear students out of the fabric right, that

(01:08:35):
would give them a chance of pursuing what they believe
is their future in the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
On Our Any our Newsmaker line, Jonathan Butcher from the
Heritage Foundation talking about this teacher in Chicago placed on
leave after posting on social media. Go ice more coming
up on the Friday edition of The Ritt and Gregg Show.
Right here on you Jah's Talk Radio one, All five
nine can arrests.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
When they say get along, they mean everyone that doesn't
agree with me, get along with me. Yeah, Yeah, that's
what they mean. And they're not looking for any kind
of commoner.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, absolutely right. Well, apparently the Democrats have always tried
to portray themselves as a party of peace, but Donald Trump,
in his first year in office, has really showed them
how to achieve peace. A number of peace deals worked out,
but apparently the Democrats don't want to give them any
credit for it, and that's a surprise. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line to talk more about that right now

(01:09:25):
is Cheryl Chumley. She's the online opinion editor at The
Washington and IM. She wrote about this, Errol, what is
it The Democrats apparently don't want to give Donald Trump
credit for anything when it comes to peace.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Yeah. I think Democrats are more interested in fundraising off
the chaos that they themselves generate, and the chaos helps
them have an excuse and a narrative to go after
this Trump administration and paint them as a failure in
their agendas. So it's twofold. It's a way to ding
Trump and it's a way to fundraise.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Saw today that looks like we may have the the
next another government shutdown if there's any Department of Homeland
Security funding Democrats. I think the vote was fifty five
to forty five in the Senate. They are prepared to
shut down the government again. To the point of peace
or how the Democrats want to be seen in the
eyes of the American people, Do you think that them
shutting down the government over the Department of Homeland Security

(01:10:20):
is a persuasive decision by them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
No, but it's not really about that for them, They
basically would love to have the opportunity to separate the
funding for ICE and its own piece of legislation, its
own funding bill, so then they could go after Christinom. Right,
then they can try and get this administration to fire
Christinome and to pressure the Republicans who are on the

(01:10:46):
fence about Christinome or on the fence about what ICE
is doing, to also pressure this administration. So the government
shutdown is just another political ploy of the Democrats to
once again doing this administration and fundraise Cheryl.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Donald Trump has done some amazing things in the worldwide
street stage when it comes to peace. Why are they
so afraid to give this guy any credit for anything? Cheryl?

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
They hate Donald Trump? Right, they hate Donald Trump? Because Yeah,
you know, the only thing that makes sense when you
look at not just during this administration, but during Trump's
first administration, the only thing that makes sense about why
Democrats are doing what they do is that they just
seriously want to destroy America from within. Nothing else makes

(01:11:35):
sense If you wanted to ruin this country and make.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
It part of the globalist world.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Order instead of being a sovereign nation.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
Based on individual rights.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
You would do what the Democrats are doing. And you know,
the Democrat Party long ago was taken over by the
far left interests, the Marxists, the communists, the socialists, and
this is their playbook.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You know. I don't know if I believe polls or not,
but one that that if it's true it would make
sense to me, is the polling numbers coming out of
Pennsylvania for Senator John Fetterman. John Fetterman strikes me, and
I'm totally surprised I'm saying this when he got elected,
but he seems to be able to celebrate American victories
without regard to whether it was a Trump administration or not.
He's not afraid to call out what he thinks is

(01:12:18):
anti Semitism or whatever his opinion is. He seems to
do it. He's not cowardly about it. He's very brave.
It looks like his favorability ratings are he's being rewarded
for that authenticity. How is John Fetterman in a purple
state like Pennsylvania or even a blue state. How is
he seeing such favorable poll numbers and yet the party

(01:12:38):
itself still wants to rebrand itself is anti everything that
Donald Trump and the Republicans do. Why are they going
that route when Fetterman looks like his route is more
appealing to the people.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
So, first off, on the polls. You know, polls are
conducted like by the hour. It seems like nowadays they
have a poll for everything. So before you know, citing polls,
it's always it's always, you know, beneficial to look at
the poll questions, how they were worded, in what order
they were presented. But who has time to do that anymore, right,

(01:13:11):
because the poles just go out there and they make
the headlines. So based on what you're saying, I would
guess that because the Democrat Party still has holdovers from,
you know, the working class, the blue collar union types,
and Fetterman speaks to that common sense type of pro America.

(01:13:33):
Just have different political ideas on how to get to
that pro America than Republicans. I think that's where he
gets a lot of his support from. And he also
sort of speaks to some in the Republican Party who
are actually looking for those voices in the Democrat Party
to work with, and he's one of the few left.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
We're talking he with Cheryl Chumbley. Cheryl, you know after
the George Floyd death, of course you had the refrain,
I mean from the Democrats defund the police, defund the police. Now,
in light of what is going on in Minnesota, we
have defund ised, defund dice. Defund police did not work
for the Democrats. Why do they think defund dice will
work for him?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
This is the Marxist vein of the Democrat Party. Right,
So go back in time when Tom Perez was Chief
of the Democratic National Committee and he came out and
he went on record saying Alexandria Okazio Cortes the socialist
was going to be the face of the Democrat Party.

(01:14:34):
So this has been sort of a slow morphine and
then under Barack Obama it took it sped up quite
a bit. But this is what the Democrat Party has become.
That's why I'm saying the only thing that makes sense
is they're looking to destroy America. They're looking to move
America down a path more of globalists first, China type

(01:14:56):
models first, and then America, you know, sovereign, free market,
if at all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
So does that mean that at the end of Trump's
second term, the next Republican nominee, be it a JD.
Vance or Mark Rubio or Ronda Santas, whoever it would be.
Does the rhetoric ever change? Does one sentence change in
terms of the Democrats tone and their attacks that they're
now leveling at Trump in this administration? Will it be

(01:15:23):
exactly the same for the next Republican Is there any
difference at all? Or does Trump bring out a different
kind of animosity?

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
I don't Well, I do think Trump brings out a
sharper animosity because only because he's so determined and he
doesn't you know that they throw everything in the kitchen
sink at him and he just peer a ways away
and comes up with a clever new strategy to defeat them.
So I think he does bring out the derangement in

(01:15:51):
the left. But I got to say, I'm not optimistic
about the Democrat Party once Donald Trump is out of
the office and there's someone else that, you know, maybe
they like better in the Republican Party running for president
or maybe even winning the next White House. I don't
see the Democrat Party working with them. This is the
Democrat Party. This is the reality and we're going to

(01:16:12):
have to deal with that for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
On our newsmaker line, Gerald Chumley, she's with the Washington
Times talking about the Democrats and the Party of Peace
and they just Greg did not want to give Donald
Trump credit for anything. Nothing, nothing at all. All right,
our list back fighting segments coming up next right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
So we have our legislative general session underway, fastest general
session in America seven and a half weeks, so it's
going at full speed. We had a great discussion with
Represent Tyler Clancy. I would call a young gun, a
very energetic and smart lawmaker. He's also a member of
law enforcement with the Provo Police Department, or has been.
Has an interesting bill. So the question Represented Tyler Clancy,

(01:16:55):
what is this bill? You're looking at violent crimes in Utah,
You're looking at how these are being solved. It looks
like you're trying to find some additional resources. Maybe you
can walk our listeners through the background of this bill,
why you're running it, and what you'd like it to do.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
What we're trying to get at is you know, you
have a gang banger who's driving up to the gas
station ready to pull that trigger, and he's going to
change the course of of not just someone's life, but
multiple people's lives for generations. There that individual needs to
know he pulls that trigger, he will be held accountable.
There's no ifs ands or butts. And that's what clearance

(01:17:29):
rates are all about. So we've got to increase our
clearance rates not just to bring victims and their families justice,
but actually prevents and deters future crime. So when we
can solve crime and when we can be really dedicated
and dog it in the pursuit of justice, that actually
deters criminals recognizing they say, if I do this, I'm
going to get caught and I'm going to be held accountable.

(01:17:51):
And that's what we're trying to get out here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Representative Clancy, How does this help solve crimes? Quicker? Is
it the money? Is that the resources that the money
would be able to pur WHI just how would it
solve crimes? Violent crimes? Quicker?

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Well, what we're trying to find here is making sure
that money is not the prohibiting factor and solving a crime.
And so for example, this is about making sure rural
detectives get trained on the newest technology and the newest
investigative methods. This is about making sure that witnesses, particularly
with gang violence witnesses, there's money in the witness protection

(01:18:27):
program so they feel safe to come forward and actually
cooperate with law enforcement in those types of investigations. So
we're getting at the heart of the issue here. And
if you look at the fund that we're creating, it's
all of those things. But when we see unsolved crimes,
we asked the question why that's what those are going
to fund and making sure we're filling those gaps.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
So here's where the sausage gets made. And this is
the tough part. You've created a fund like this, and
I think that what you're doing here is obviously a
critical need and it's one you've had a front row
seat and you see and you're identifying. But when you
talk about a fund like this, even law you know statewide,
with all the different jurisdictions, there will be no shortage
of those that will probably jurisdictions law enforcement jurisdictions that

(01:19:08):
would need additional funds. Do you worry that this could
be watered down that the amount that each jurisdiction would
get it might not be as impactful. Or how do
you choose with a finite fund like that, who is
what and what jurisdictions are prioritized to be able to
access funds like this to do the things that you're
talking about, Because there's not we're not endless money, So
how does a fund like this really get to where

(01:19:30):
it's needed most?

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
So here's here's what I think the good news of
it is this type of training. It's more about the
intentionality of it rather than the gross number. So we'll
work with any amount of funding that we get. We
also know that there's private foundations out there that want
to see detectives pursue justice in this manner and so

(01:19:52):
making sure that we have a split of urban and
rural agencies effected. And that's where flecting the bill, one
piece I do want to hit on, though, is we
actually have an evaluation piece connected in that legislation. So
we're not just funding good intentions. We're not just funding
we think this works, this is a good idea. We're

(01:20:12):
actually evaluating on the back end and saying is this
leading to more criminals being brought to justice. Is this
leading to more families that don't have question marks when
they've lost a loved one? And so that's really what
I think makes this bill different than just kind of
a you know, ceremonial good feelings bill.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
One amazing concept accountability. When did that idea? That's amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
It is representative.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I'm giving you a hard time about you not that
you're retiring from retiring from law enforce if you're going
to take on a very tough job in that in
homeless space, in the homeless space, So you're going to
leave the legislature, You're going to see front row this
this law enforcement issue and even solving violent crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I'm going to skip a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
But in your new upcoming job, working with the governor,
working with the state of Utah to deal with this issue,
maybe different than we have before. How do you how
do you? Are you going to be tough on crime?
Are you going to get soft on us? You know
they all get soft. I'm just going to tell you
right now, I see them all. They all become pillows
when they start working in that space. Are you going
to are you going to have the compassion but the

(01:21:17):
justice with it?

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
So I'll do you one better. I mean, we're going
to be the soft We're going to be the pillows
to the folks who need help, to the predators. The
message is going to be in the state of Utah
that this is the absolute worst place to be. And
I tell you, I actually have a lot of compassion
for individuals, particularly those who are who are mentally ill
or otherwise vulnerable. They are the people that are taken

(01:21:40):
advantage of more I mean orders of magnitude more when
they're living on the streets than others. And so I
think people try to paint with this broadbrush and say
the homeless, Well, the homeless means a lot of different things, right, Okay,
I've been out to tofer Park in Salt Lake City.
A lot of the people that I've seen dealing drugs
out there, they're walking back to apartment complexes. They're not

(01:22:02):
actually homeless, they're using it as a disguise. And so
those are the kinds of things that we're going to
focus on and be precise so that we're going to
go after the predators and make sure that they stop
victimizing our vulnerable population.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Joining us on the show, Tyler Clancy represented Tyler Clancy.
You know, Rod, this is his last session. He's going
to work with the governor on the homeless issue. I
do like that he understands the relationship against lawlessness and
for public safety. Given his career, and he's a good lawmaker.
We'll miss him in the House. I will miss his
leadership in the House. And he's got a tough job
in front of him. But like this bill and like
the work that he does.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Ress of young lawmaker. All Right, more coming up here
on the Friday edition of the Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Rady on one oh five nine can arrests.
There was a jam pack hearing up at the Utah
House this week. It was Utah's House Health and Human
Services Committee, and it was hearing on a bill that
aims to protect children from sex rejecting intervention. A very

(01:22:55):
controversial topic, but you and I agree, yeah, this is
a bill that needs to be approved. Well, we had
a chance to talk with one of those who testified
before the committee. His name is doctor Kurt Mascelli. He's
chief medical officer of the organization Do No Harm. And
as we had a conversation with doctor Miscelli asked him,
first of all, What was your take on the hearing
up on the hill.

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):
Oh, absolutely, I think things went really well. You know,
the bill there that Representativeship had put forward at Bill
one point seventy four really aims to make permanent the
moratorium on these gender procedures for kids, and I think
it's really about keeping kids safe and making sure that
we're doing the right things to protect this vulnerable population.

(01:23:35):
And so I think on many accounts UTAIS has really
shown that it is putting children first by making sure
that pediatric medical transition pubity blockers, hormones and such aren't
given to children for these treatments.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
You know, we're seeing this now play out over a
number of years, and thank you for your involvement and
speaking out and because there was a time where you
were and allowed to or if you did, they would
try to censor you and everything else. What do we
say about there as we see this play out. I'm
sure there has to be some young miners who were
convinced for thought some reason to go through this kind

(01:24:12):
of transitioning who don't want to continue to go through it,
would like to try to reverse it if possible.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
What do you say about that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Is it possible to reverse that, is there a D
transitioning that can happen, and is there a process set
up or a medical process set up for anyone that
went down that path and would like to maybe go back.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
You know, it really is so important for us to
understand what D transitioners are going through and to understand
how we can really help and support them. And there
was actually another bill in the legislature today just in
that same committee to really make sure that if an
insurance company is covering such transition procedures, that it also
needs to cover detransition procedures and care. And the fact

(01:24:53):
of the matter is that unfortunately, D transitioners have really
been invisible to the medical system, and unfortunately, even if
you look at the codes that we have the diagnosis code,
there's nothing for someone who's de transitioned. And they're literally
seventy thousand codes in the ICD that doctors use each
and every day to provide diagnoses for folks. So I
think it's so important to recognize that there are ways

(01:25:15):
to transition, and there are even more importantly, that there
are ways to D transition, excuse me, and that it's
critical that we support individuals who do seek to de transition,
whether that is through making sure they have insurance coverage,
or whether that is through physicians who can provide such
care for these individuals. And there have been physicians that
have been tacking up that cost and been rallying around

(01:25:36):
it and aiming to put together the guidelines and such
to help produce safe medical d transition for individuals.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
I saw the story in one of the local media
outlets this morning prior to this herey about apparently the
legislature commission to hear it or a study to look
at this. The study came back and said, actually, this
transitioning does help kids the drugs whatever they go through
these procedures. How do you respond to that, because I

(01:26:06):
think it does hurt kids in my opinion, but I
have no medical knowledge of that. But there are going
to be people with side studies say, in fact, these
do help kids.

Speaker 10 (01:26:15):
Well, you know, originally when the law was passed back
in twenty twenty three SB sixteen, it did state, in
addition to the moratorium that the Utah DAHHS had to
issue this report about gender hormones and such in kids.
And you're right, they did come to the conclusion that
the evidence support of those hormonal treatments. But the reality
is that if you look at that DAHHS report, it's

(01:26:37):
terribly flawed and in fact, its conclusions are really unreliable.
For one, it takes clinical practice guidelines that are issued
by activist organizations like the World Professional Association for Transgender Health,
and it takes them at gospel. It doesn't even critically
review them. It has no risk of bias assessment whatsoever.
It also ignores some key systematic reviews that have underpinned

(01:26:58):
the reviews that we saw on the United Kingdom with
the CAST review. Those systematic reviews aren't even part of
the UTI DAHHS report, and it also doesn't focus on
some of the serious consequences that these hormones and such cause,
including infertility and sexual dysfunction. That's again totally ignored by
the UTI DHHS report. There's so many different methodological challenges

(01:27:21):
with that report that it is just completely unreliable and really,
I think to the credit of the committee in terms
of really dismissing that report. The reality is that we
should be looking at the us HHS report that was
done and that was issued in November. It's an umbrella
review which takes all of the different reviews that are
out there, it organizes the evidence, it comes to a synthesis,

(01:27:43):
it assesses it more broadly, and it's actually been subject
to peer review. So the us AHHS report actually invited
the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the
Endergrin Society to critique it, and it was only the
American Psychiatric Association that chose to do that. And so
I think one of the things that we recognize is

(01:28:03):
that the USAHS report has subjected itself to peer review,
and it's what's withstood that challenge, whereas this DHHS report
from Utah unfortunately failed terribly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Doctor a couple of years ago, now represented Congressman Mike
Kennedy was a state senator. Mike Kennedy, family physician, worked
very hard on a bill that would that would ban
the procedure or suspend the procedure here in Utah. But
there was a lot of wordsmithing in that there was
a concern at that time a couple of years ago,
that the that that the bills may not hold up
in court, that the definitions that were given. So he

(01:28:34):
spent a lot a lot of time on those definitions.
Our law was never challenged in court. Uh but I
look at a representative ship's bill here and there's no
there's not a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
It's just bent.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
It's just saying very plainly in playing language, this is
not allowed in our state. Where have we come to
a place now with with judicial rulings where we can
be just more succinct and and and less worried about
a we're overturning a bill like this? Now, what's changed
from a few years ago to now?

Speaker 10 (01:29:03):
No, Dad, I think the Screametti decision has had an
enormous impact, and that was related to the Tennessee law
that effectively had a ban on these dangerous procedures for kids,
and that going all the way to the Supreme Court
and really finding in that six' to three decision that
states can in fact be able to regulate. This and
because the reality is that when you look at the,

(01:29:24):
evidence it is a very low. Benefit there's in, fact
if you look at the social psychological, outcomes if you
look at the alleged, benefits they're just not. There and
the risks are significant in terms of what puberty blockers can,
do in terms of bone mineral density loss in terms of,
infertility in terms of cardiobascu with their side effects from
the cross sex. Hormones the risks are, very very, real

(01:29:47):
AND i think The screametti decision was very wise to
understand that the legislature would have an interest in making
sure that these procedures should not be administered to. Kids
and SO i think, certainly as you, say with this
bill brought before the committee today and very simply just
make sure that this band is permanent and does a

(01:30:08):
great job of.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
That Talktor, masselli why is that there are some countries
In europe who seem to get, this but The United
states has not realized it. YET i, mean you, know
you Have european countries who allowed for these procedures for
a couple of. Years studies have come back and they, said,
well we are not doing this anymore to our. Children
but here in The United states it. Continues why don't
we get.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
It it's a great, question especially when you look at those,
countries when you look At sweden Or finland them and
these are traditionally more what is seen as progressive nations
Within europe, itself and they have elected to actually look
at the. Evidence AND i think that's one of the
key differences is that they've actually allowed the evidence to
guide them in terms of doing the systematic, reviews in

(01:30:49):
terms of doing the analysis and actually seeing what the data,
shows and that the data shows that there really is
very little evidence of any. Benefit and, again those harms are,
significant AND i think if we were to do the
same here in this country would come to the same,
conclusion and we have when we look at the us
AT hs. Report but the reality is that, unfortunately many
of the medical associations within The United states have been ideologically,

(01:31:12):
captured AND i think unfortunately it's an important wake up
call for those medical organizations to return to the roots
of actually looking at the, evidence of actually making sure
that we're doing the right thing for the, patient especially
when the patient is a vulnerable, child and we have
to understand these are confused kids that are going through
terrible difficulties and we've got to do our best to help.

(01:31:33):
Them and, unfortunately what we've done is we've placed them
on this train TO puba, blockers hormones and, surgeries and
that is not the right way to. Go what we
see from The europeans is a recognition that these kids
need psychosocial. Supports they need psychotherapeutic. Interventions we need to
make sure we're treating any underlying mental illness that might be,
there as in, depression, anxiety whatever those conditions might, be

(01:31:55):
and we need to provide those, treatments those, interventions as
opposed to again subjecting into a medicalization that just leads
to a lifelong consequence of.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Harms Doctor, miscelli one more, question would you characterize this,
bill which was before hearing, today a, strong solid bill
for the state Of utah and its efforts to do
something about?

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
This?

Speaker 10 (01:32:14):
Absolutely, Absolutely, Again utah had made tremendous strides and initially
passing the bill some years, ago AND i think this
really makes it very clear that the the More ram
would then be.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Permanent on Our newsmaker, line prought 're A Listen Back friday,
segment Doctor Kurt masseli from the Organization Do No. Harm
now before we, leave you're off to an exciting. Adventure
we haven't got a lot of, time but no real,
Quick you're going and coming so.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Fast, myself my Son, junior we are getting on a
plane tonight at midnight At Saal lake and we are
flying straight To New York, city we get there at
six thirty. Am, okay we get. There we go to
check into our hotel. Early we're going to go see the.
Fights big huge fight. Tonight It's Tia Femo lopez Versus
Shakur stein is a huge lightweight. Fight if you're a fight.
Fan it's the biggest FIGHT i think we're going to

(01:32:58):
see in a long. Time but it's gonna be, Quick
rod because we get, there we see the. FIGHT i
gotta be. Back we got to be back AT jfk
like four in the morning after That saturday. Night so
we get There saturday. MORNING i don't know what we
do to. Survive it's gonna be sixteen. DEGREES i Got i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Charging my battery.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
PACK i got a, YEAH i got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
THIS i get this heated vest with this battery pack
to keep me warm at sixteen degrees weather watch the.
Fight get. BACK i don't know when you leave FOR
Jfk airport if you got to be there at four.
Am but then we have the flight straight back On,
sunday AND i will see If i'm Here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Monday we.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Hope so safe.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Travels one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Night IT'S i Think i'll Be we'll be there for
twenty four, hours but a little over twenty four hour.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Journey we'll see how it all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
WORKS i think your. Nuts, wait till age catches up to,
you all, right that, doesn't that doesn't for us, Tonight
as we say each and every, night head, up shoulders,
Back Thank, god bless you and your. Family this great
country bars. Great have a safe, Weekend thank you. Sir
all of you out there as, well having great works.
Out we'll be back On. Monday

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