4:20 pm: Nic Dunn, Senior Fellow and V.P. of Strategy for the Sutherland Institute, joins the program to discuss his piece about using empowerment accounts as a streamlined system to fight poverty.
4:38 pm: Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock joins the show for a conversation about President Trump’s expected reduction of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments.
6:20 pm: Peter Laffin, Senior Editor for the Washington Examiner, joins the show to discuss his piece about how President Trump needs to reset the conversation about Iran, beginning with American citizens.
4:38 pm: Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock joins the show for a conversation about President Trump’s expected reduction of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments.
6:20 pm: Peter Laffin, Senior Editor for the Washington Examiner, joins the show to discuss his piece about how President Trump needs to reset the conversation about Iran, beginning with American citizens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Signed an executive order the two of them, one for
Bear's Ears National Monument, one for Staircase Escalant National Monument.
These are these if you didn't if you didn't know
these these national monuments. Clinton made the Staircase Escalant one
when he was leaving his final days in office. Before
he left, it was treating Uta or Uta Utah like
an ATM to the environmentalists, encumbering all of this land
(00:24):
and restricting it from its public access to these royal communities,
they are good stewards of this land. It really interrupted economies.
Then you had fast forward to the final weeks of
Barack Obama's administration, once again treating Utah like an ATM
and taking encumbering millions of acres for the environmentalists to encumber,
even for they already owned this land. Rod this is
(00:44):
Bureau of Land Management land. They already own it. But
then they restrict it even more severely and really in
opposition to the people that live there, all people that
live there, Native Americans, everybody that lives there, suggesting they're
not good stewards of land. So when that had happened
with Barack Obama in the sixteen race, when President Trump
won we Utah and its leaders got President Trump to
(01:08):
pay attention. Secretary then Zinke Ryan Zinky come and take
a tour, and in December of twenty seventeen came to
the Capitol rotunda and signed the executive orders reducing eighty
percent or more these so called national monuments. As soon
as Biden got into office, he said, King Zach's not
just kidding, and he reversed them all. So what do
(01:29):
we have today. He didn't come out here to do it,
but in the White House, in the presence of our
federal delegation, the governor and Speaker of the State, Speaker
of the House, Mike Schultz, he signed two executive orders
basically restoring the good work he had done in his
first term.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, now that question, that's now the question is
going to hold.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It'll hold until some you know, here's a problem until
a Democrat president.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Wants to re undo it, and he will and he will.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Or you got two states, Wyoming and Alaska, who somehow
got exempted from this Antiquities Act where you can't do
it to those two states anymore. Why do those two
states have it so good? I think Utah has paid
you know, at the Office I think we have checked
the box on federally encumbered land. We should be amongst
those two states, Wyoming and Alaska, for no longer being
(02:17):
subject to this this back and forth of national monuments.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
There we go and we'll talk with a county commissioner
down southern Utah who will talk to us about what's
going on with this. Getting his local reaction also coming up.
We've got a lot to get to today. We're we'll
talk here in a minute about Lindsey Graham. We are
going to talk about that guy who got tossed by
a buffalo up in the Yellows. That is video is
all over the place. He said he's ok he's out
(02:42):
talking to people. You know, he's got a broken boner two.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I appreciate him being okay and actually be having a
sense of humor about it, because there is a part
of you that last you see this man launched in
the air. It's scary at first, but people have made
like Benny Hill stories where they speed him up running
around and people been having a good time with it.
But it would not be funny if he was seriously
hurt or did not find the humor in it himself.
He seems to be good natured about it. With that said,
(03:09):
it is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, And we may ask a little bit later on
in the show for some of your wildlife interactions.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, I have you have some experiences.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, you sure do well. Weird weekend for you, mister Hughes.
You're e ray got an unexpected patch package on the
front door.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, we can't say.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We we We'll get into that a little bit later on.
And yes, I did golf when it was one hundred
and three?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How did you survive it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was fine, You're in a cart. That light breeze you're.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
In shade is fine one hundred and three.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, but well it's probably closet.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's that's that was pretty hot this weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I wasn't warm this weekend. What was it yesterday? At
the airport? One hundred and nine?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They say we broke an all time record. Yeah, so yeah,
since I think they've been recording the temperature around here
for one hundred and fifty years and this was the
hottest they recorded.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, I wonder sometimes did you put the thermostatic
on a black top this time? I mean, is it
the same way you've always measured the temperature. Did you
go did you measure it in a place that's particularly hot?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know who knows. All right, let's talk about
Lindsey Graham. Boy, what a what a what a shock
when we woke up what was it yesterday afternoon or
yesterday morning that he had died. And for a while
you're one of the conspiracy theorists that was trying to
blame Russia.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Still I'm still thinking Russia.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You're still thinking it's Russia. But Lindsey gam Graham, you know,
I was hot and cold on Lindsey Graham. Sometimes I
think he did good things. Other times I can go,
what on earth are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, he seemed to be a bit of a warmonger. Yeah,
but he's had his moments where he has been a champion.
I think he's especially in the Supreme Court nomination processes
where the Democrats were so unfair to most recently President
Trump's nominees, and I think he really put us all,
you know, bright line and really did some good work then.
(05:00):
And he is I think Lindsay Graham has been a
mixed bag on a bunch of issues. But if you
told me last week, Polymarkets got one of these betting lines,
and one of these proposition lines that who's going to
be the first to pass away, Mitch McConnell or Lindsay Graham.
I ought to bet the house on Mitch McConnell. I'm
with you, and he might actually be gone and they
(05:20):
haven't told it yet. But as far as official passing away,
seventy one year old.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Lindsey Graham just seventy one too.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Who, by the way, just not that long ago, was
showing off like he could do a full interview, running
the stairs of the Capitol, not losing his breath. So again,
I go back to my Russian conspiracy. All of Russia's
most greatest antagonists and opponents, somehow always die of natural castings.
I don't know there's a trend. There could be, I
don't know how natural.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
A lot of people today are pointing to maybe Lindsey
Graham's best moment. I want to take you back to.
I think it was September twenty seventh of twenty eighteen
bred Kavanaugh doated to be a Supreme Court justice. We
know what happened there, but I tell you what. Lindsey
Graham went after Diane Feinstein, who reportedly set all of
this stuff up to go after Bret Kavanaugh and did
(06:11):
he ever get after her? And what was done to Kevanaugh.
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come
to us. What you want to do is destroy this
guy's life. Hold this seat open and hope you went
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You've said that, not me.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You've got nothing to apologize for. When you see Soda
Maron Kagan, tell him that Lindsay said, Oh, because I
voted for them, I would never do to them what
you've done to this guy. This is the most unethical
sham since I've been in politics. And if you really
(06:49):
wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't
have done what you've done to this guy. Are you
a gang rapist?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Boy, y'all want power.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
God, I hope you never get it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I hope the American people can see through this cham
that you knew about it, and you held it. You
had no intention of protecting doctor for it none.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Jesus as much of a.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Victim as you are.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
God.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I hate to say that because these have been my friends,
but let me tell you when it comes to this,
you're looking for a fair process. You came to the
wrong town at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
My friend Lindsey Graham during the bred Kavni hearings, a
lot of people Gregor are saying that was a turning
point in those hearings. It really, I mean, Lindsey Graham
laid it out and this was all contrived, It was
all an effort to get him rejected. And Lindsey Graham
and his strong denunciation of what Diane Feinstein's office did. Really,
(07:51):
people are saying, really did turn the tide.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It did, and he did. And I think that you
can hear that isn't a scripted moment he might have
had prepared to states, but you can hear how upset
he is. And it is appalling what the Democrats and
these these Supreme Court nomination proceedings are willing to do.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It started with Bork back in the Reagan days, and
it has gotten worse and seedier and dirtier ever since.
And uh, and I think Lindsay Graham's you know, righteous
indignation in that moment was appropriate and you couldn't question it.
That was not performative. You look at these Democrats today
and everything's performative. You can hear in that in his
(08:33):
voice there how upset he is and rightfully so, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Can hear his anger. I mean, he is just so
angry as to how this guy and his family were
treated by the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And Brett Kavanaugh's you know, his confirmation hearing, and they
they the Democrats had already believed they had buried this guy.
They thought they set him up for the they had
taken down other nominees with less they have. I mean,
Bork didn't have this kind of attack when they got him,
when they got him kicked off, and you know, they
(09:04):
withdrew his nominated, Reagan withdrew his nomination. So I think
they thought they had had Kavanaugh out. And I think
that moment there with Senator Lindsay Graham was was what
was needed to preserve that that And look, I think
his votes have been great. I think Kavanaugh has been
a great member of a great Supreme Court justice, as
we knew he would be. And that's why the Democrats,
(09:24):
the leftist went after him so hard because they knew
he'd be like That's that's why they went after Clarence
Thomas in the dirty way they did.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh boy, doesn't even go there. All right, we've got
a lot to get to idiots. The Monday afternoon edition
of The Rodding Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk
radio one oh five nine can arrests who hope everybody
had a as best they could a cool weekend. Kind
of toasty out there? Yeah is that hot out their?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But outside yet it's hot.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's hot, you know, look like it's this kind We're
all not walking around sweating to death out there. We're
all kind of survived him from one air conditioned source
to a next think.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
About people who are working outside right now. Yeah, we're
doing the construction and roofing and ninety seven outside the
station right now? Now, I tell you this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Did you know? Yeah, they had a power outage in
Washington County yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes they didn't. Pretty good side the heat, yeah, pretty good? Oops,
pretty good size. Well, Well, let's talk about the Sutherland
Report is out with a new report called the Safety Net,
And what they're talking about is basically empowerment accounts. What
exactly are those? Where would they lead us?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Greg?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Kind of interesting approach, very much so, and joining us
on our newsbanker line to talk about that is Nick Dunny.
He's a senior fellow at the Sutherland Institute. Nick, how
are you welcome back to the Routing Greg show.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Nick exactly what is empowerment accounts? What are they? What
are you looking at?
Speaker 8 (10:53):
The idea is basically this that if we were to
ask ourselves today, hey, let's build a social safety of
some kind to help people who are struggling trying to
get out of poverty, provide some temporary help and get
them back on the path to work in independence, what
would it actually look like. I don't think anyone would
(11:14):
point to the system we do have today and say, well,
let's just build that.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
So the empowerment account concept that basically, if we were going, well.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It looks like Nick, you may want to move to
a different, different area if you can. Nick, all right,
all right, all right, we're on trying. We're on trying
and reconnect with Nick because we lost and we're talking
about these empowerment accounts. I was going to ask Nick,
did it start with FDR or did it start with LBJ. Yeah, No,
(11:52):
it'd be it would be a little bit of both.
I think, Yeah, I don't know. I was excited to hear.
But you know what, you know this might be Russia too.
I mean, they gotta they got a list of enemies.
You think Russia.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well you know that. You know we never have this trouble.
You realized we had the same trouble last week.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We did.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, they called. Remember, we had to have a guest,
had to call back. Yes, a couple of times. This
hasn't happened here before. Something's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So you think the Russians are.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
After I do. I think we're on the enemy's list.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it be the heat.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Nope, No, it's it's put.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
All right, all right, we got Nick back. Let's see
if we can bring Nick back. Nick. Will keep our
fingers crossed at our phone. Reception will be a little
bit better this time. Talk again about empowerment accounts and
what you're trying to do Nick.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Yeah, thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Again.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
The basic idea is that the empowerment account concept takes
multiple safety net programs and rather than having a family
be receiving benefits from food stamps and cash assistants and
childcare assistance and utility assistance, it's multiple different programs. It's
kind of the system as it is right now. But
(13:01):
the Empowerment account concept says, well, let's just create one integrated,
streamlined temporary assistance program that would provide some monthly cash
assistance to a family to help to address their immediate needs,
and then have it be plugged into the workforce system
that we already have here at the state level to
(13:21):
help get them back on their feet with the goal
of work based independence. It's basically streamlining and simplifying a
safety that on the federal level that was never coherently
and cohesively designed. These programs were sort of cobbled together
over decades, and this is a way to re envision
how we think about the way public policy should help
(13:43):
families and poverty get.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Back on their feet.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Neck One of the challenges with social services and programs
is that they tend to not on purpose, but they
sometimes create cliffs where their income. You have to have
a certain income or lack of income to qualify. But
if you were to find yourself in a job and
find yourself getting back on your feet, but you just
went over one of those income thresholds that qualifies you
for something like this, you would lose it all. But
(14:08):
the amount of money you would have seen by a
rays would not be the same as the amount that
you would lose, So it becomes a disincentive to find
gainful employment or seek a raise, or to be able
to get back on your feet, because what you lose
at the same time is bigger than what you would gain.
So it's a perverse incentive. What do these empowerment accounts
do to kind of address those cliffs that have been
(14:30):
there that kind of trap people in this social service cycle.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Well, it's part of the idea, and you're absolutely right
because the benefit clips phenomenon, which we've researched here at
Subtle Institute, it would survey data finding that forty three
percent of Utah's safety that population had at some point
taken an action to limit their earned income because they
were afraid of triggering a benefit cliff. And part of
that is because you have multiple different programs, sometimes with
(15:00):
different eligibility rules and different phase outs, So it's really
tough for a family to know if I take this raise,
how is it going to affect the various public assistance
programs that I'm on and will I be better off
financially or not? And the benefit of the empowerment account
concept is you have one assistance program essentially, and so
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you have one phase out rate you have to worry
about for every additional dollar I get in income, you know,
maybe my assistance program or my empowerment account would decrease
by this amount of money.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So the idea is that.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
For reformers, folks at the state or federal level, or
administrators or families, the system is way too complicated and
this would essentially streamline it and make it a lot
easier to have a single rate of tapering or a
phase out rate for this program. So the idea is
that it's going to be easier for states to know
(15:57):
how to roll people off of these programs, and ultimately
that's the goal for everyone, is to move back to
work based independence if they can.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Nick, how did this get so carried away? I mean
the welfare state in this country, not only in this
state but around the country. How did he get so
carried away?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well, first, I have to say that here in Utah,
we are fortunate that Utah does things a little differently.
In many of the times when I've gone around the
country to speak out about this issue or at different events,
folks around the country look to Utah in some respects
as the gold standard because of our integrated model. We
have welfare programs and workforce programs that live in the
same state agency or the folks at the Department of
(16:35):
Workforce Services do really tremendous work on this front. So
we're fortunate in that respect. But the reason the problems
are there in the first place, I think, honestly, it
was well intended. If you go back to the launch
of the War on Poverty in nineteen sixty four by
President Lyndon B. Johnson, the aspirational intent or the vision
(16:55):
of the War on Poverty was great. You read through
those speeches, and he talked about work and giving people
a chance to earn their success and to enjoy the
blessings of living in America. And then yes, assistance programs
as a part of that provides some stabilization. But the
problem is that the various programs that comprise the safety
(17:17):
Net were created at different times with different objectives, and
they are administered often by different federal entities, and they
report up through different congressional committees, and so you have,
you know, eighty to one hundred depending on how you
measure it. Safety Net programs spending well over a trillion
or a trillion and a half dollars a year with
(17:40):
just different objectives and visions. And that's part of the
problem where we saw this even last year with the
One Big Beautiful Bill, the debate over work requirements. There
was a debate over whether or not work or elevating
work should even be part of say the Medicaid program
for example, whereas again the whole system should be about temporary,
stableism on the path back to work based independence. And
(18:04):
so I think it was well intended over the years,
kind of in peace no fashion. But the pitch of
this paper is really we need to think and transformative
terms of again calling for an aspirational discussion. What would
we design it like today? Because that'll show us where
the gaps are really quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Nick, great great idea, great reporter. We appreciate your time
and good luck with this effort. Thank you, Nick, Thanks
very much. I always good to talk to you guys.
All right, Nick Dunn, Senior Fellow at the Sutherland Institute,
talking about empowerment accounts more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show and Talk Radio one O five to
nine kN rs. Before we talked Bear zer z Ra
(18:42):
just sent this over. Apparently Abby has been reporting this
incident at Valley Fair Mall out here on the west
side of the valley. Apparently there was a stabbing, that's
what it appears to be, and people saw it, and
boy did they go after the stabber. A little street justice.
Those street justice, Yeah, they're a value fair mall. Yeah,
so Abby, you'll have more on that coming up at
the top of the hour. Well, big news today. Greg
(19:05):
as expected reported last week that the President today would
sign executive orders reducing the size yet once again to
Bear's Ears and Grand Staircase national Monuments.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, it's dejavou all over again. Joining us on
the program as one of our great cowboys and leaders
of the state of Utah, Leland Pollock. He's a Garfield
County Commissioner, Commissioner. Welcome to the Ron and Greg show.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
How you doing, my good friend, and and before we
get started, thank you again for what you did when
you was the speaker.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well thanks, thank you, sir, because I was going to say,
you know, didn't you and I didn't we already do
all this? Didn't we didn't we fight the good fight
and get President Trump to come to the Utah and
sign this executive order at the Capitol Rotunda. Didn't we
take care of this when we were on the clock together.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
We sure did imagine that we had it figured out
that long ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The latest commission from one I understand, I'm reading today
that the president has now cut nearly three million acres
out of those two monuments in southern Utah. What kind
of a difference could that make in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, let's put it in perspective. And I don't I
respect as the speaker Hughes knows, I respect the other counties.
They can speak for Bearsiers, but I can I can
tell you exactly specifically on the Grand Staircase two million acres, Okay,
that's what that thing was. And I was interviewed just
a minute ago and they compared to the Grand Canyon
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being one point eight million or whatever acres it is.
And I said, I made a clear comparison. Yeah, but
you can see something there. There is something to see.
There's nothing to see on this one point eight million
acres on the Grand Staircase that come out. It is
nothing but BLM rangelands, age brush, rabbit brush washes. It
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was where the original Planet of the Eight movie set
was filmed. That's how desolate this is. Did you know that?
Did you guys both know that?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I did not know?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You watch that? Charlestonhaston, he gets out and he wanders
around on that wasteland with the other astronauts. That is
they put that into a grand staircase national monument. Now,
what the hell can you see on that? That is nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The commissioner though it did have a massive economic impact.
Now these are small rural communities, but you had some
thriving economies going on in your rural communities. Maybe share
with our listeners what was the economic impact of families,
generational businesses that were located in that area.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, in the town of Escalanta, their school enrollment dropped
to fifty two students in twenty sixteen. In just what
that's twenty years and it dropped from one hundred and
fifty down to fifty two. They wanted to close the
school and we figured out a way to hang on there.
The state of emergency, now that tells you everything right there.
(22:04):
And we've had two saw mills closed because of the
people that came in with the monuments started litigating these
local saw mills and their timber sales. And now look
how did that turn out? Look how that turned out?
Right now we're burning, The state of Utah is burning.
But it was a huge impact. But let me just
say something else. When Mike Noel, your good friend and
(22:27):
my brother in law, now did the NIPA study back
in the day in nineteen ninety six, that the only footprint, okay,
the only thing that would be affected by this was
a parking lot the size of Walmart on the Anex's
coal mine. Did you know that that's all that would
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have been affected. So that's like saying Bryce Canyon is
thirty three thousand acres, but we're going to seventy miles away.
We've got a coal mine we want to shut down.
And they have admitted. Bill Clinton admitted in his book
My Life by Bill Clinton, that he created that monument
to stop that coal mine. Well, why did he if
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he was going to do that, why did he? Why
did he not just leave the rest of it out?
The reason is there's nothing else in it that's any
value other than the canyons of the Escalante, And that's
what's left in it right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now, Yeah, Commissioner, I remember the argument was during all
of this going back the first time we did this,
it would really increase tourism in that areas, and those
small communities who've been hit by this would thrive with
new tourism dollars. Have you seen any examples of that
taking place there? You're laughing, I.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Think, answer, no, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And the thing is listen, Bryce Canyon National Park thirty
three to thirty five thousand acres Okay, two to three
million people go there in a year. That is an impact
Grand Staircase. Nobody even knows where the Grand Staircase is
because there is no Grand Staircase, and so there's the
canyons of the Escalante. If they would have just done
that one little portion and focused on that, that could
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have helped the communities, that could have helped them. But
they didn't. They created this huge albatross that nobody knew
how to manage. That has been a mess since day
one of September nineteen ninety six when they did this.
So yeah, no, it has not. No, it's not huge
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help in any way, shape or form, and the land
is much worse off. I want to say this for
these so called environmentalists, they're really not environmentalists. We're the
true conservationists because we used to do range improvement projects
to make the land healthy, you know, to cut down
on the evasive encroachment opinions, juniper and watershed control to
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stop the springs from drying up, and the flooding and
erosion control. We used to do that. You ought to
see some of the can edition of that rangeland today
they haven't been able to do that, so environmentally it's
been a disaster.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
To the commissioner is always a pleasure talking with you.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You guys take care. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
All right. That's Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock talking about
what's going on. The announcement today by the President. He
had Utah's congressional delegation there along with the governor and
House Speaker Mike Schultz on Bear's Ears and Grand staircase,
reducing him by about three million acres.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think this one's even smaller than the one they
did in seventeen. Biden shouldn't have touched it. He made
it bigger than Obama's. This is even smaller than the
one he did in seventeen. I'm smiling though, because I'm
not you know, I'm not a rural guy. It might
surprise some of our listeners to know I didn't grow
up in rural Utah. And but this you just heard
from Commissioner of Pollock, this cowboy, he taught this, this
city boy, what was really going on down there. And
(25:52):
I became as passionate about this issue as any public
policy issue we dealt with. And we don't see this
all the time along the Wasatch Front, how these communities
are so detrimentally impacted by the heavy hand of the
federal government. This is a huge win. And this time
we have to make it stick. This time we cannot
keep ping ponging back between administrations. This has got to stay.
(26:12):
Two states, as I mentioned, Wyoming and Alaska do not
have to are not subject to this political cash in
from Democrat presidents to environmental groups and encumbering moreland. Utah
has to be YEA. It needs to be exempt from
the Antiquities Act as those two states are more.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Coming up on the Roden greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine can Arrest Crack a couple
of quick notes before we head to the break. Sam
Neil died today. New Zealand actor He was in Jurassic Park.
Most recently. If you watch Peaky Blinders, would you invite
the A couple of seasons he was on a couple
of seasons he was on. Passed away today at the
age of seventy eight after cancer.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah that's too bad, too bad. Yeah, so a very
popular actor.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, good actor.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Good act.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And by the way, apparently the first female umpire in
Major League Baseball is not having a good start. She
is getting ripped. I mean, she was behind the plate
the other day in the Padres Blues Blue Jays game,
and you know that new system they have. Every one
of her calls were overturned by the system, So she's
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she's having a difficult time.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's you know. I hope that's not one
of these, you know, DEI hires. I hope this wasn't.
I'm all for female umpires if they if they got
a good eye to do it. George, you had a
good eye. Great, I don't care the gender. But if
it's if it was to check a box, that's that's
you gotta hate that if you're the team that she's
calling balls and strikes for not.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Good, not good. All right, We've got a lot to
get to in hour number two? Have you seen the
video from Yellowstone Man.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
This guy's running for his life and there's a buffalo
after him.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We're talking about it, and we want to get your
experiences with wildlife coming up in the five o'clock out
to bring this up, Greg, was it last week? I think?
And I'm trying remember the organization that rated Los Angeles
is the third worst city to live in or community
to live in, and Utah and I think it was
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Wisconsin came out on top. Right, Remember that wasn't last week?
I think? Sometimes. Well, now we have liberal CNBC listing
the ten worst states to live in.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, Utah is one.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Of them from who was the source again, CNBC? Yeah, okay,
Liberal CNBC. All you had to say is NBC Okay,
I know. Now here are the states, right, Tennessee, Texas, Indiana, Louisiana, Georgia, Utah, Missouri, Alabama, Oklahoma,
and Arkansas. What do those states have in common? They're red,
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that's one of them, and they all voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There you go, So why don't they just say if
you if your state voted for Donald Trump, because he
is the president, so that would be the ones with
the most electrical You're the worst place to live. Okay,
we'll go try your hat. Go go to New York
City with mom Donnie. Tell me how that's working for you.
To go to Gavin Newsom's California. Tell me how that's working.
Give me a break.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I'll tell you right, I'll tell you where I'm
ill suited to live. Yellowstone National Park.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't be taking up residents.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I don't think I should live there. I think that
in hindsight, having not been there for a while, but
in hindsight, having visited that place in my twenties, my
early years when I was.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Young, you're kind of stupid.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it looks like upon for the review. As I
watched this video that's gone viral that you mentioned of
this buffalo clearly agitated at this tourist, this person that's
there at this camp round.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't know if he's agitated at the one personated.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We passed everybody else. There's a lot of people he
could have got, but he went after this one. This
one guy, I don't know, long Beard. I don't know
if he's the overalls, I don't know what. But this
this buffalo went after him, and he was far away.
I say all this to say that when I was young,
in my early twenties, I was very surprised to go
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to Yellowstone National Park and find buffalo in campgrounds and
just you have to look at binoculars and see him
from way far away there kind of around people.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, you're a Pittsburgh kid, yes, so it since the
first time you ever saw a buffalo zoo.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I the zoo. I've thrown marshmallows to bears. Okay,
I knows I have a very different relationship with animals. Okay,
And I go to yellow I go to Yellowstone and
these there there's like campgrounds, and there's just a buffalo
right there. So I got a lot closer than that
poor guy in that video this weekend and it was
still spring. There was still snow on the ground. So,
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and I hate to admit it, but I thought, I
want to get his attention. He isn't looking over beer
because I kind of yelled, hey buffalo, Hey buffalo, bill,
look my way. He's ignoring me. Maybe he can't hear me.
So I take a little snowball and I lob you
and I hit the buffalo and this buffalo doesn't like
whip its head around to look at me. It's this
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slow motion kind of looks over at me, and I'm
kind of close. He doesn't get up, he doesn't do
anything that's on that video I saw where he gets
up and he starts hauling after that. Dude, that guy's
running around those trees. It's not giving up. I learned
two things. One I have no idea how I'm sitting
here today given my relationship with buffaloes up close as
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in my early twenties. And two I learned, if you're
getting chased by a buffalo, don't run on a straight line.
You're gonna get caught. This this buff the giant buffalo
closed down on the guy, just captured him fast, knocked
him eight feet in the air. And when I say eight,
I mean his head is eight feet off the ground.
His feet are above his head even higher than that,
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so he looks like a starfish up in the sky.
It is unbelievable. So I got to thinking, moose buffalo,
how many of our listeners have been in around, have
been the Yellowstone, or have been around these wild animals,
And how if you made any mistakes, did you see
any dummies like me that got a little too close.
I didn't even know I was being as cavalier and
(32:14):
crazy as I was, maybe until I saw that video.
Or maybe buffaloes have just changed their personalities. Yeah in
thirty years, Well maybe they're just sick of people now.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The background on this story is an elderly man who
was in his sixties with his grandson were at a campground.
They were taking a walk through the campground. They see
this buffalo kind of across the road a little bit
from him, far away. Actually, something's agitating him because he's
rolling in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
He is wrong there. It's like one hundred yards it
might be eighty yards, one hundred yards away. He is
not there, not.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Closed, not closed, and they're just taking pictures. A truck
passes by. I don't know if he is trying for
the truck. It looks like he may have been, but
the truck passed by, and he's decided to go after
this elderly gentleman for some reason.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And there's like these trees that are kind of in
a row. He runs around the trees. This thing's coming
right around the trees with him.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Right around the trees, hits them and sends them, like
you said, eight feet into the air.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know if you if you're mine, if you haven't.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Seen a video the video, look, folks, look.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
At I don't know what eight feet sounds like. But
I will tell you what eight feet looks like. It
looks like he got sent to the moon and back.
He is in the air for a long time. I
mean he that buffalo just lowers his head and just
lifts that guy up out of the That guy is
a Scott. He's up in the sky.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now, fortunately it didn't go hm okay, so, but he
apparently broke some bones. But he is up and talking
today and he says, you know, I'm okay, I'm okay.
A few bruises and bumps and bumps and maybe a
broken bone or two here and there. But he's a
guy from Washington, Bothel, Washington, which is I think southwest
of Seattle, as I recall something like that. But and
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he he's considered one of the nicest guys in the community.
He's always willing to help out. As a matter of fact,
he's he's subbed for Santa a few times because of
that big old white beard he has. Well, you know
the guy, but man, you know how many how many times? Greg?
And it usually happens. Jah, Okay, you can go after
me for saying this with Asian tourists. Oh sheez, you
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went there. What happened to this dummy? I was, I
was way too close to the buffalo. But they go
they go to Yellowstone and they want to get as
close as they can, and what happens. A lot of
times they get injured. Right now, you had your experience,
the only experience I've ever had. Oh I've been to
a Yellowstone and seen the buffalo before, never gotten out
of their cause. No, I never got close because there's
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one word wild.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, I know, you know, you just named all these
nice things about this man, clearly all lost on the buffalo.
The buffalo did not appreciate this man's been a sub
precise It's a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But you know what, we have him out here at Antelope.
Pilot was telling me, you go out there, you stay
in your you'll see the buffalo on Antalope, Pilant, but
do not get out of the car and take a picture.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Of the No, and I hear people do. Here's the
thing I found amazing about that video that whether it.
I thought it was a woman. I thought it was
a woman that's wearing Miami Dolphins jersey too, number fourteen.
But because I've seen a few times, But this buffalo
goes after him specifically, like maybe the truck was kind
of galloping when the pickup truck was going by. But
when the pickup truck goes by.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
This this this buffalo keeps going.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He spots him, he starts running. He runs past other people.
There's other people in this campground. He's after that guy.
That guy is his start. Hey, he hit a tree,
kind of hit a tree and beat it up a
little bit, kept going, went right after him.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's what's the buffalo got against.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
This guy and it was his He singled him out.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Now, come to find out, and we've learned this as
the course of this story is developed, that it is
mating season.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
This man does not look like this does not look
like buffalo Bill's girlfriend of me.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I do not understand how, But.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
The buffalo is a little agitated. Okay, apparently cannot find
a female buffalo.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So a lot of frustration.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So a lot of frustration building up in this poor buffalo.
So he decides to go after this elderly man who
looked nothing like a buffalo.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But no, he cannot be confused for a buffalo. I
just I you know, I felt bad for that guy.
But I tell you, the internet's a funny place.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Then.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
The social media is. They've got Benny Hill, you know
music with it where they speed up the video and
have the buffalo chasing the guy. It is pretty funny.
It did go viral, and but it's only funny because
the guy's not seriously injured. But it is a reminder
for me now. Like I said, I know the gravity
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of my carelessness or my recklessness probably didn't and I'm
that was thirty plus years ago. Didn't hit home till
I saw that and thought I was so much closer
to a buffalo. I I wasn't trying to take a picture.
I was throwing a snowball or snowballs and at buffalo
and I did not get chased. How on earth did
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that happen? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well, how long's it Ben, since you've been to Yellowstone?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, it was about back then.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I was.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I was dating Queen Bee when I when I went several.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Years, my wife and I took a ride up there
a couple of years ago. And the thing about you
can always tell there's an animal somewhere because the traffic
just stops. Everyone pulls over, everybody gets out of the
car to get their picture right. It could be a buffalo,
It could be a moose, It could be a.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Moose, can be canteen, Chris, if you get too close
to them.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now, the thing about both moose and buffalo, from what
I understand, Niece, Yeah, they're kind of stupid. Oh, yeah,
says they are. I've always heard they're kind of dumb animals.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I wouldn't tell them that they look very mean. I
would not tell them layer's dumb. I always say you
are the smartest animal in the world. Sir, you are nice.
And I am sorry for throwing that snowball. I don't
know what I was thinking. So what you get out
if you ever get out of the car? Oh, I
never got out of the car, like the bait. When
you know the car you just see, that'll tell you
whether that bad moods or that bad buffalo is in
a bad mood.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So we thought it'd be fun today to hear your
wildlife encounters.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yes, I want to hear how people have interacted with
the wild buffalo or moose or anything. I just want
to hear how all that's worked out. Was anyone naive
like I was, you know, just maybe just young and dumb,
didn't really.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Know the trouble they were getting.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Themselves into and didn't really And even even if it
doesn't go bad, if you know it, if you know that,
that's a very dangerous situation and the person got through
it and nothing happened, you look at a person go, well,
if you keep doing that, it's going to catch up
to you. You're not You're not long for this world
if you keep acting that way. I luckily didn't go
back to know that what I was doing at the
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buffalo were highly dangerous. I had no idea yea.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Wait a minute, Era tells
me we've got a talk back. Let me cue this
up real fast, guys, have you got it all? Play
this talk about here? Right from one of our great
listeners about their wildlife encounters.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
I didn't think about this earlier. But it's a bison,
not a buffalo. We are miss specieing the species.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's right, yes, okay, what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
That side mis.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Gendering like miss general or it's like cultural appropriation. We
were we were calling a buffalo, it's a bison.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, what's the difference, you're asking, Do you know what's
the difference? Is there anything a buffalo?
Speaker 11 (39:39):
Yeah, if you if you look it up technically, what
we have in the United States, which we call buffalo,
our our American bison, but they're not buffalo. Buffaloes are
more like like the water buffalo as you see an act.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Okay, okay, so we call it a bison. It's a
We all call them buffalo, but they're actually by side.
I didn't know that, all right, Your phone calls eight
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(40:11):
Radio AP You're crazy. Stories coming up next on the
Rod and Greg Show, Yellowstone Viszero attacked by a bison.
The man's name, by the way, Greg is Carl McDaniel,
a Boffel grandfather attacked by the agitated beast at the
Bridge Bay Campground near Yellowstone Lake at around eight thirty
Friday evening. Once the bison caught up to McDaniel, it
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cooked the grandpa with one of its horns and aggressively
threw into the air. That's putting out.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
A good listener sent a link to a story about this,
and you get these still shots of the grandpa and
that that black white beard must go down to his
belly button. It's a long overalls on got the grand
kid with him. We're in Dolphins Jersey too. I don't
know who that which Dolphins player that is, but anyway,
and then it shows him hauling, just running, and then the
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next scrystill shut is him in the air, straight up
in the air.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
It is the Arvis Landry Jersey, by the way, So
I wish the buffalo would have got her.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right, let's go to the phones and get your
reaction to this. Frankens in Salt Lake City sharing his
story with the Routing Gregg Show. Hi Frank, how are you?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh good? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (41:23):
The biggest takeaway I got from the story was the
comment by a forest ranger at the bottom. He said,
watch the tail. If the tail is down, he's chill.
If it's up, scattered and if you look at him
coming up off that little roll beside the picnic table, man,
his tail is up and it was vibrating. At that point,
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everybody was in one hundred yards scattered.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So the advice is to look at the tail, right, Frank.
If it's down, you're okay. If it's up, get out
of the way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (41:55):
Look at the video, you know, and look at that tale.
I mean, it was a big giveaway for anybody that
knew what to look for.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh, thank you, Frank, that's good advice.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Scott, it's open Star Valley, Wyoming. Listening to Rod and
Greg today, Scott, what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Wow?
Speaker 13 (42:16):
I had some good experiences.
Speaker 14 (42:18):
So I went up fishing in the last with someboddies
and on the Russian River you stand about five feet
apart from each other for miles, and on the other side,
this moose came down from the hill cross forded the
river came by and I just stuck my hand out
and let it.
Speaker 15 (42:33):
I petted it as it walked by. And so that
was my first encounter with the moose.
Speaker 16 (42:37):
But then I moved from the state that shall not
be named and went to the went to Wyoming, and
our first winter there. I had got the kids off
the school. I'm standing on the balcony and it's snowing
and it's beautiful, and I see this bullet moose walk
down the road, so I barn quick, get my camera,
run across the street. It's in my neighbor's hyre, drinking
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out of the bird baths. I'm taking pictures.
Speaker 14 (43:00):
And then I.
Speaker 16 (43:01):
Started petting at tind quarter, you know, because I had
that very.
Speaker 17 (43:06):
Easy experience before.
Speaker 16 (43:08):
Well, get turned around so slowly with its head and
looked at me with that little BEADI and I could
hear it in my mind say, get the heck away
from me. So two days later I was having lunch
with our senator and I had told him the story,
and he said, you petted on what? And that was
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when I found out the very dangerous animal.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
They could kill you.
Speaker 17 (43:32):
So that's my story.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, wow, what a story that is. I wouldn't be
pet no.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Most so look I would be doing at least so far.
I wasn't completely out of bounds. Some people, if they
see the animals and they looked docile, it may flure
you in actually pet them, or be close, way closer
than what this poor gentleman was by the way, I
just watched the video. Yeah, that tail isn't straight out,
it's all Pa, that tail is something fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Ryan is there tonight listening to Rod and Greg. Ryan,
tell us your story. Good evening.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
So when I was in high school for the three summers,
I was a Maribouh chancellor at a boy Scout camp
and there was a mama bus I'd given birth to
a baby. And there are three to four hundred scouts
in that camp.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Every week.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
We had a lot of encounters, but thankfully nothing ever
resulted in an injury.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, don't don't get between mom and the I wonder
if if he was worried, you know, I would be
would you?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, I would cause.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Young boys do stupid things.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well like and I'm like, I'm like renaissance Greg. Now
I'm like, I'm like the softer, gentler Greg. So I
you know, I I wouldn't wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Condone what younger Greg was was doing with the you know,
getting near these animals.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Now, I just think, yes.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, we got a lot of callers, Dan Don Garth,
Mary Jim our callers as well on our talk back line.
Hang on we'll take a break and come back. We
want to hear your stories please on The Rod and
Gregg Show and Talk Radio one O five to nine.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Canna at It seems like people's interaction with the wild
comes in a lot of different versions. That that young turkey,
you know, the child, the adolescence of the mom and
dad turkey, that the befriend of the family guarding the
mailbox from the mailman. I would love to see that
daily routine of the mailmates, like a great, crazy little
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turkey coming after me I try to drop the mail
that'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That would be Let's go back to our calls. We
go to Battleful with Don tonight. Don, Welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Yeah, my uncle back in nineteen fifty five was in
the Yellowstone Park and he got out of the car
when everybody stopped, got out in the middle of the
road and was taking a picture of a bear. The
bear looked up and signed, and because he's looking through
the camera, he thought the bear was quite a ways away,
and the bear came out across, knocking down the middle
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of the road, took a bite on his chest, and
then across and found out that the cub was on
the other side of the road, and I didn't my dad.
My dad showed me it went to my uncle about
nineteen fifty eight, and my dad says, told my uncle
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to show me this scar. And he pulled down his
shirt and he had his teeth marks just on the
bottom party's chests, on after party's chests were the beard
knocking down and took a big bite, counting and it
was it was when I saw that I and he
just received stitches, but he he survived that. So I
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have to be careful with theirs.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yep, you sure don't.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I tell you what I appreciated today. Survived that. Can
you say, take a big bite of his chest? That
doesn't that sounds like a mortal wound.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Do not get between MoMA and her coupies. And this
man didn't mean you know that's going on wild? All right,
Let's go to sam Pete County Gym. Is there tonight
listening to the Rod and Greg show. Jim, how are you?
Thanks for listening?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Great?
Speaker 13 (47:10):
And I've got a story about the wild pigs and
the buffalo On Catalina Island off southern California, we were
camping at the fourth of July Harbor campground and uh,
we hung our food up high to keep the pigs,
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you know, away from finding the food. But the middle
of the night we walked out from the sound of
the ground, kind of movie.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I stuck my head.
Speaker 13 (47:44):
Out of the tent and there were the giant buffalo
a herd, just walking through the campground. I mean, if
they had stepped on the tent, they would have you know,
it would have been nothing for him. And yeah, how
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they missed? Yes, I have no clue.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Wow, Wow, what a story that I didn't realize. They
have buffalo on Catalina Island. Wow, everyone out there, here's
a nice place. Not now how long.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Ago that happened. But I'm not going to a bunch
of buffalos you're running through your camp anytime.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You have big chicken. Way, let's go to Mary and Orham. Hi, Mary,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 15 (48:27):
Hi?
Speaker 18 (48:28):
Back in nineteen fifty six, my mom and her boyfriend
took her a picnic a Provo canyon, I think if
it Rock Canyon. They went to a secluded area and
the boyfriend said, why don't you take the dog for
a hike from that hill over there? Because they wanted
to have some alone time, I guess, And we walked
up to the hill and we got on the trail
and there was a ridge right above the trail and
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a big, huge cougar jumped down right in front of this.
So the dog and I and the cougar we all
just did there frozen for like an a few seconds,
and then the dogs started taking off after the cougar.
But I had my arm wrapped around in the leash,
and he took off and he pulled me behind him
since I was only six years old, like my legs
in like a cartoon flying behind me. Finally I got
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it loose and he didn't come back for an hour,
but he saved my life.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
That would be a really good cougar.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Wow, I love I appreciate that story. I saw. There
was a few years ago where someone caught a cougar
on a trail and they had their camera and it
was they were really staring each other down. No one
wanted to make a sudden move because they know what
the cougar would do. It was it looked terrified. I
never heard of this. Era shared this with us. Do
you know cougars and mountain lines have a scream, and
he says, so when you hear a scream, get out
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of there. Yeah, it sounds like, yeah, this is here,
I scream. I knew nothing of this, all right, this
kind of screw it.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
That sounds like you're That sounds like you're teasing your.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Little Wow, that's here. You hear that in the middle
of the night, a little wild man. I heard that
sitting under a tree. Tricky hunting. Oh geez, how what'd
you do?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I got the hell out of idea? You were smart?
He was smart. All right, let's go back.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
To the story. Okay, let's go to Garth, who's been
patiently waiting from Highland. Garth, thank you for holding and
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Hi.
Speaker 19 (50:24):
Yeah, we've got a yellow Stones story about bison too.
Back in the mid eighties, we went Kent camping with
four little kids and pulled into a campground and there
was only one site left. Didn't know why it was
just the only one left. That we found out there
was a tree in the middle of it that had
a bunch of funny looking black and brown moss on it,
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and we tied our tent off to it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And went to sleep.
Speaker 19 (50:47):
Next morning, the whole tent is shaping, shaking around, and
we get out and here's bison's using that tree as
a scratching post, and half the campground was gathered around
looking at it. And some guy walked up in the bathroobe,
got right in the face of the bison and took
a flash picture, and it took off after him, and.
Speaker 15 (51:05):
He was running down the street. His robe was flying
out behind.
Speaker 19 (51:08):
Him and he had nothing on underable screaking through the campground.
Speaker 15 (51:12):
The so he finally but the bison went out.
Speaker 19 (51:17):
Of our campground then, so we were happy. So he
didn't catch him, though, Oh that.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Was a great story. I don't know what was behind
underneath that robe, if that was if that's things you
can unsee, but yeah, that's a that's a great.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
What is worth seeing the buffalo or the bison or
the naked guy?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I know that would be I would be. Children aren't
scarred for them. But here's the deal. It's just so
it seems so hit and miss that at one point
they're just looking at you like they don't care. Next thing,
they're high talent. You said that they can run up
to what thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thirty five miles per hour and way up to two
thousand pounds.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Does Hussein is what's his name, Hussein Bolt, the guy
that was like the fastest man, the world runner. How
fast does he run? I don't think he runs thirty five?
I don't know, man, I don't think so he can
out run that.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, a lot more of your calls. We'll get
to your talk about comments as well. We're talking about
your encounters with wildlife in relationship to what happened to
this man up in Yellowstone late Friday night. He got
tossed eight feet into the air by a very agitated
buffalo or bison. That's coming up on the Rodding Gregg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can
arrests too. Let's go back to this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Let's get back to the phones. Dan and Kaysville. You've
been waiting, you've been holding. Thank you for holding. Welcome
to the Riding Greg Show.
Speaker 7 (52:27):
Hi, guys, can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
So, yeah, that video got in my eye. I'm a
fellow grandpa and him going up in the air ten
feet if he lands on his head, it's an end.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
Of life story.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
But anyway.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
So, so my story is from forty years ago. I'm
out elk hunting up Logan Canyon Blacksmith Fork a bunch
of friends, and it's getting dark and I'm starting to
head down the mountain and I'm on a narrow trail.
It's a moonless night. I can barely see the trail
and it's a it's at them of the of a
big hill and a creek right on.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
The other side.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
So it's just this narrow path and I'm just barely
making out my path and a suddenly I noticed, I
feel like something's ahead of me, and I stop and
I look and I look, and finally I make it out.
About twenty feet in front of me is a bull
moose facing right at me.
Speaker 15 (53:23):
And what's that?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
What happened next?
Speaker 7 (53:31):
A big bull moose. I have a three hundred Winchester
Mark mag but I don't have a tag, and I
know if I shoot it, i'd be dead anyway, he
would just.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Found me into a dirt.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
But I don't know what to do because if I
turn or you know, go away, he'll probably charge me.
And so I'm doing the mental arithmetic for a minute,
and I think I can't I got to get past
this guy to get back to my car and get
back to camp. And I finally reached down and I
pick up a rock, and by the way, I'm close
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enough that I'm looking up at this thing, you know,
nine feet at the shoulder, twenty twenty five feet away,
and I throw a rock and hit it in the
chest and it doesn't do anything. I do it again,
and at this time it kind of bobs its head,
and I think, oh shoot. But God was looking over
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me because that moose, that bull moose backed into the
creek in the willows there, and I waited a few minutes,
and I thought, well, can I get past him? I
can't see him now, and so I slowly went down
went that trail those additional twenty feet and I looked
(54:47):
to the left and I could see it standing in
the creek in those willows, and I just slowly went
past got back to camp and figured that I had survived.
That's the only time I been scared in my last well.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I would have gone back to camp and fainted.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Hats off that he didn't. I'd have run. That probably
would have got that thing chasing me too. I wouldn't
want to walk all cool by.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, let's get to uh, let's get to one of
our talkback messages and then we'll get to more of
your callers. How's that up, all right? Here's one of
our talkback comments.
Speaker 20 (55:19):
Well, as a young scout, I was out scouting and
we found a pond, and when we approached the pond,
we spooked a big moose from a distance.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
The moose didn't look too big.
Speaker 20 (55:31):
But a scared us.
Speaker 16 (55:32):
All.
Speaker 20 (55:33):
I'd be in the fastest scout, the first to get away.
On the first point of refuge I found was a
picnic table, to which I hit on top of.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
The rest of the scouts hit under the table.
Speaker 20 (55:44):
Charging bulls stopped short of killing me.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
I think I was on top of the table.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Wow, Should we go to a color we run.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
We're a little tight on time and we want to
give these colors plenty of time to make a comment.
So if you'd like to hang on the line, call
bag and hang on the line, or call us back world,
pick more of your stories up, because these are amazing.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You're great. Like again, I feel so much better. A
lot of our listeners have had experiences with these wild
animals and and it doesn't all go as scripted. It's
all kind of out. There's very different. I might not
be so bad. I just thought maybe I was just
too careless or too reckless. I might I might fall
within this natural instinct to just think that they're not
(56:24):
gonna chase me.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
You were just stupid. Well maybe that's snowballs at a
buffalo or a bike.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
No, he didn't. I honestly, I didn't even know if
he could feel it. He just didn't seem to be
the first one movie finally looked over at me.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, probably could.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
I was just trying to say, Hi, you.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Know, they're mad because we kind of wiped them out.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Apparently they had something on their mind, at least that
one I saw this weekend. That video.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
All right, more of your calls come in sins. We
talk about your encounters with wildlife, and now our number
three in the Rotting Greg Show.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Not everybody knows exactly how to handle wildlife. Wildlife or
they get confronted with it and they didn't know it
was coming. My big What this armed me is, I
had no idea. You go to Yellowstone National Park and
in your campground there's just some buffalo hanging out, and
it's like they just said, well, they looked from afar
get out the binociars. If you look at that little
speck on the on the that's a buffalo. No, it's
not like everywhere. They're right there, right there. And so
(57:19):
I'm like, well, they're clearly domesticated. They just want to
hang out with them.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's probably warm up there, that's one thing. And this
is mating season that's another.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, well I wasn't there a meeting season because I
saw that that poor man was one hundred yards away
and that thing went after him. I was way way
closer than that, and I was You're lucky to get
his attention. I just want to say, Hi, we're.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Getting your wildlife stories right now. Eight eight eight five
eight year old one zero Back to the phone.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, let's go to Mark, who's been patiently waiting. Mark,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 17 (57:52):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. This isn't exactly a wild animal. But
I worked for my father in law on the farm
for about thirty four years and we had calf that
can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yes?
Speaker 17 (58:04):
Go ahead, Oh okay. We had some calves that we
had moved off from their mothers, and it was after harvest.
We put a big four strand barbed wire fence around
a field, left a little opening for them to all
go through. Decided to push them all through, and we
had about a nine hundred pound calf that said, I
(58:25):
ain't going through that and took off. Unfortunately, my father
in law farmed on a airport and so the calf
ran out onto the runway, which, as you probably know,
they don't have great traction. My father in law took
off and is Ford F one fifty chasing the calf.
Calf decided to turn. It slipped, got hit by the
(58:45):
F one fifty, got up and its eyeballs basically rolled
over red and it took back across the field right
at me.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Oh no, here comes.
Speaker 17 (58:55):
My father hind it and it looked like a Ford
suspension commercial.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Here.
Speaker 17 (59:00):
I was a big powerlifter from the University of X
and this calf hit me. I stuck my arms out, collapsed,
hooked me under my rib cage, and all I saw
was sky calf, ground corn craft.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Ground calf. I thought, well, I'll.
Speaker 17 (59:17):
Just get up and run, but the calf was faster
than me, and I'm sitting in a corn row and
it came at me. I put my feet on its
head and it started to push me down the corn row,
filling up the back of my pants with mud. And
my father in law caught up the truck, and the
calf remembered it lost to the truck, so it took
(59:37):
off and didn't go to the opening that we had
just done. It decided to go through the fence and
break all four strands of the wire we had just
put up. Wow, every time that calf saw that that
pickup truck on the farm till the day we sold it,
its eyes would go wide open, its tail would stand up,
and it just snored around in the pin. So that
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was my experience.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
That's a heck of a story.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
But is amazing that. I'm so glad he held on
because that because that story, that is something else. That
thing comes at him, and that's if he's a powerlifter.
That's not a young that's not a that's not a
stack of dime mug, that's not some kid wearing skinny jeans.
That cat's coming at You know, that guy had some
had some lbs behind him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Ye, he had some post a story. All right, let's
go to a pharmingten and here from a Cliff tonight
here on the Rodin Greg Show. High Cliff, how are you?
Speaker 15 (01:00:33):
I'm fine, Thanks for picking up the I didn't have
to go far to run into a universe animals.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It was at the zoo, a Hoble Zoo.
Speaker 15 (01:00:47):
We just walked in. There's some outdoor primate exhibit straight ahead,
and I went over to the thick plexa glass and
started making uh patients at this uh don't male gorilla
and he and he didn't like what he was saying,
and he got up from the stump he was sitting on,
(01:01:08):
picked it up, ran about ten feet over towards me,
and then hurled the stump all the plexa glass and
hit the glass, and I took off by crazy. The
gorilla didn't follow me down the plexa glass, or I
would have had to change my shorts.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Oh my gosh, Cliff, I gotta tell you I've been
I love I love gorillas. And I went to Hogal
Zoo once and they said those silverbacks, the ones that
are like the head Hauncho, the one the guy that's
running running the show. They told me that the people
Zeus said don't make eye contact. They don't like to
be eyeballed. If you eyeball them, they get mad. So
(01:01:49):
that's that's actually a thing with those gorillas that they
get mad like that.
Speaker 15 (01:01:53):
Wow, I'm balding man. You're right, he didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I did, so he did not like it. All right.
In West Valley, we're talking with Steve on the Rod
and Greg Show tonight. Hi Steve, Hi, how are you great? Well?
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Good well?
Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
Hunting hunting elk and down in.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Fair View.
Speaker 17 (01:02:24):
Uh.
Speaker 21 (01:02:25):
I was up there when I was younger and we're
hunting and some guy got attacked by cougar and and
now I was in the same canyon he was, and
that thing chased me, followed me for seven hours.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
How did you know?
Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I didn't want to kill it?
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Did you see it?
Speaker 22 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He was close.
Speaker 21 (01:02:50):
He was close, he was on me. He was on me,
and I was like, no, man, I'm getting to do
and I don't want to kill him. So I shot
him shots at him and he went away. But I
had to hunt the whole way back to the camp
with that thing on my tail, and he would yeah
(01:03:10):
and you could hear him and the little man. I
got pictures of him, and it took me like nine
hours to make it back to camp and finally get
that that that guy away from me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
You were scary, you were the prey.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
You were you were going, you went hunting, and you
became the hunted. Did you ever hunt again? Like that
would be it for me? I think I'd be done
after being hunted for nine hours?
Speaker 12 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
I hiked in long Ways in the morning it was
bright and early four o'clock and had a flashlight on
the trail and ran into it early and he was
on me, and I was like, no, this thing happening.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
With you all day a story. It is something else.
I love these stories. Great, They're great. Okay, let's go
to Wendy in Salt Lake County. Wendy, Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 23 (01:04:07):
Geez, what's what's all these moose stories too? They'd no kidding,
And I'll tell you what. So nineteen seventy four, I
just almost turned thirteen, and my mother and my grandmother
and my two sisters went up to Yellowstone and we
got into cabin and I were undoing things and I
(01:04:27):
walk over to the window and I'm like, mom, look
there's a mommy moose and a baby, just like, oh,
you know, really, oh, the mother did not like that,
and the baby charged the window.
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Oh really, the baby did.
Speaker 23 (01:04:42):
The baby did because the baby was getting old enough,
like he could just do his own thing. But scared
the Begbi's good thing. There was a screen on the window,
but I think I heard it crack.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That was not fun.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No, No, that would that would that would certainly scare me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
When did that? You're lucky that the mom didn't come
have the baby's back instead coming with me.
Speaker 23 (01:05:02):
That's what I was thinking. My mom goes, what are
you doing? Teenager?
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, that's the teenage it is. That's what they call it. Teenagers.
Just don't think, right, mister Hughes.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I wasn't. I'd like to say I was a teenager,
but I was a little older than teen. I was
in my early twenties. But decide the point.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah, throwing throwing snowballs.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
At a bi, Yes, And he didn't seem to mind.
I actually thought I would have up until this weekend
when I saw a video. I would have thought that
he barely felt it. It was like a little yeah,
barely felt the thing, Like he didn't even know I
was there. But apparently you could take a picture from
one hundred yards and you can make him really mad.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I've seen you throw No wonder it didn't hurt. Please
John is West Georgian. John, How are you? How are
you John?
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I'm good, I'm good. How are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
So I was went over.
Speaker 24 (01:05:53):
To a friend's house and they live up in Woodland Hills,
which is kind of upon the bench by Spanish fork. Yes, yeah,
And I was sound asleep, had the window opened a
little bit, sound asleep, and then all of a sudden
I heard the roar of the mountain lion, like right
out the window.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I was standing.
Speaker 24 (01:06:12):
Straight up, didn't know where the where it was.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I'm thinking, where's the gun, where's the mountain lion?
Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
Is it in the house?
Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
And is outside the house?
Speaker 24 (01:06:19):
I was like still disoriented to be asleep.
Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
And then finally I could hear it.
Speaker 24 (01:06:25):
Kind of going away, and then it said my heart
was just pounding, just pounding.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
So it was like, holy crap.
Speaker 24 (01:06:32):
So I went from a dead sleep to it to
like fight or flight.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I'm thinking the Mountain's coming through the window.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Oh that would be terrifying.
Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, no, no, thank you. On that one.
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You know, it begs the question when you go through
something like that, do you still go out and hunt?
Do you still once you've found yourself the prey, once
you found out that you know the one.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Like the guy for hours nine hours on.
Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
The he was fleeing for nine hours, I would be
done with that. That would be I want to be
doing that anymore. Not when we find out you might
not be at the top of the food chain like
you thought you were.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Uh uh uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Let's go to Marcia in provo tonight on the Rod
and Greg Show. Hey, Marcia, how are you?
Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
Oh?
Speaker 22 (01:07:14):
I'm okay?
Speaker 25 (01:07:14):
Today that I was on Mountam. It is up on
Mountam and it's up above the Mere Woods by San Francisco.
It's across the day from San Francisco. And I was
taking two Czechoslovakian students on a tour up the mountain.
And we get about halfway up the mountain and suddenly
(01:07:36):
there's a mountain lion up above us, maybe oh twenty
three or so. They could easily jump on us from
that distance. And I don't know anything about mountain lions, okay.
And then a little old couples coming towards us, and
they were running, and I said, don't run.
Speaker 22 (01:07:49):
I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 25 (01:07:50):
But I said that, and then I'm like.
Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
We gotta do something just gonna kill us.
Speaker 25 (01:07:54):
And I said, everybody, pick up, pick up a big
long stick. There's a bunch of sticks around here, pick
big branches and pulled them up over your head to
look like a moose. So we held our sticks up
and I said, I'm gonna yell at this cat. I'm
gonna scold it. So I yelled at it like I
would scold my dog, because it's an animal, you know.
And so I said, you're a bad, bad kiddy. You
(01:08:14):
go back home your money. You're so bad. I'm scared
of the darn sick are you?
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Marcia? You're a hero, Martian. This is the smartest thing
I've ever heard. You get the sticks over your head
like you're you yell at it.
Speaker 25 (01:08:30):
I just kind of stood, but I did not know
what I was. I just was all instinct.
Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
It was pure instinct.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Oh I love.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
The greater your instinct worked, Marsia. Marsha, She got stick,
held him over her head like a moose and said, bad.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Bad cat, bad candy, go home, you bad kiddy. So
the only thing I can compare that to is when
I was when I was on my mission. I was
halfway through a very large yard when a rottweiler came
running at me full speed. Yes, and I could not
outrun it. So I just kind of what Marsha just said.
But I was doing it the other and going nice
but usual, your good doggie, and I just started talking
(01:09:06):
like that, and the dog came up and licked me,
and he started spinning around, and he thought I was
a friend because I was just praising him. That's all
I need to do. I just thought I'm dead. I'm
gonna be eaten by him otherwise. But Marshall, how smart
was that?
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Mountain lions, man, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I know the president of mine started yelling at a
mountain lion a bad kiddie, go home.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
We gotta hang out with Marshamore.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
She does what she's doing, all right, Moore coming up
the Rody and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine, can.
Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Arrest two fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I remember several years ago we we uh went up
to Powder Mountain, which is way up in uh in
Weaver County, up in the mountains up there. One day
and We're coming down with me, and I think I
had one of my sons with with us. We're driving
down to get something to eat or groceries or whatever,
and right in front of us pops up this big
(01:09:57):
moose and it was a big moose, right, yeah, and
it just stopped in the middle of the road. We stopped,
of course too, and it just stopped and looked at
us and went on. It was fine, Yeah, it was
Finally we didn't we didn't do like you do try
to antagonize it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
It wasn't antagonized. Yeah, but I was trying to get
his attention.
Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I wasn't trying to harm him. I just he looked
very big. He didn't look like a snowball hurt him,
but he wouldn't look over and he was so close.
I thought, hey, yeah, because I wasn't gonna get that.
I wasn't get arms length, but I wanted to what
do you want to do? I want to say, hi, Yeah,
you know, you just want to run behind the ears
They look like they want to pedal. I wasn't going
to pet them, but I did throw the snowballs to
try and get his attention. Didn't register first, and finally
(01:10:40):
I got this very slow head turn looking at me.
Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
One of the best tips we got today, look at
their tail. That is their tail is.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So I went back to the video to watch it
is that tail, says business man. That tail is not
just flopping around like that tail is wagging and then
go straight up. The other thing that we heard, which
was a common denominator here, is that you got to
walk not run. Yeah, try that when the adrenaline's going
the fight or flights not you know, fight or walk. Okay,
flight means you get out of there. I had to
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walk out of there and keep your cool, man, I
tell you, there were so many of these stories are
just amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Well, my little grandson years ago when it was his
first young men's camp. Yes, okay, so he's going to
camp and I think they were up in Jackson Hole
or something up in that area. But they were hiking
with a friend of mine and they came across a bear.
Now they slowly backed the way from the bear and
went back to camp. Right, But he earned the nickname
(01:11:40):
of bear bait for the entire camp. And you know what,
it was good because they kind of endeared him to
the younger, older guys and They refer to him for
the rest of the camp and still do today. Occasionally
they'll go, hey, bear Bait, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I'm actually surprised the roommate that I had at the time,
he's a listener to the show. I'm surprised that he
hasn't called in because he always marveled at where he
thought I was. It wasn't my good choices. I was
necessarily making no at the time, but I thought he
might hear it and want to confirm that in fact,
you know, Greg Hughes back then might have been a
(01:12:14):
little bit reckless. You know, this is again I'm I
am renaissance Greg. I am the counter gentler, Greg. This
is a this is a much restless, very mature, very
you know, very responsible.
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Here shall we tell the story wasn't happened to era?
That has nothing to do with the wild It doesn't,
but it is a hilarious story. Go ahead, me knock
him out. You just to me all the time. Well,
he he came in today and told us he ordered
some filters for his fish stink. Yes, normally, yeah, hiss aquarium,
And normally they come in not a large package. But
(01:12:49):
he knows what they are, right, well, when he went
to pick up the package this time it was larger. Yes,
and he's going, what is this? So he help us
up the package. There were twelve twelve bottles of estrogen.
Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
So the moral of the story is someone thinks that
our producer wants to transition?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What's going on here?
Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
You know what it meant over the weekend, But that
was an interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
What's he supposed to do with that package? He wasn't
really sure.
Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No, he sent it back.
Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I believe, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
We hope he's not using it, but maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
You know, we don't know if you're asking right when
he's not here to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
So well, yeah, tomorrow, I didn't want to ask me
come through the walls and beat me up. But I
think that was a hilarious story because he was laughing
at it.
Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
He was, he really was. It was all in good fun.
Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Twelve twelve bottles of estrogen pills.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Perfect? Yeah, right, nothing, yeah, all right, more coming up.
We may get serious when we come back. You never
know on this show.
Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Time to be serious. But that thank you, folks for
your participation. That was at a lot of great stories.
Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I love it that Love It All Night, The Rod
and Greg Joe roll along on this Monday evening in
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k NRS that
the Straight of Horror moves, they're calling it a game changer,
and he's given me to bad news. Who any anyone
who's hoping to transit debt for free no longer They're
going to be charged something twenty percent of something to
(01:14:14):
go through the Straight of Horror moves. I thought that
was an international waterway that wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
So we can add this to the list of things
that are said that I don't understand because I listened
to what was said prior and then I listened to
what being said now and nothing's consistent on whether it's
they have no navy, they've created a blockade, maybe they're
dropping drones, maybe they've got some rowboats. I don't know
what's going on. But the most the latest contradiction for me,
and I'm not being critical, I'm just confused. And that
(01:14:40):
is I was told when when I ran announced that
they were going to start charging fees for people to
reuse the Straight of Horror moves. I thought I heard
Secretary of State Mark Rubio and the President say those
are international waters which are not subject to anyone's fees
to traverse that straight. So but if that's the case,
wouldn't the United States being the same pun intended, same
(01:15:05):
boat that they can't charge fees if they're saying that
Iran was not in a position to charge fees assess
fees in international waters. Now, you know, how what's the
big the guns? I guess you know, I states, it's
big enough to make whatever rules I guess they want
when they want to make it. But I think consistently,
if you're saying that international waters cannot be you can't.
(01:15:26):
You can't put assess fines. And I don't know how
we're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Well, we'll have to see. Well joining us on our
news maker line to talk about the latest move by
the president and is it time for him to kind
of reset the war for the American people? He is,
Peter laughing, Senior editor of the Washington Examiner. What do
you mean, Peter, when you say it's time to kind
of reacht what's going on in Iran with the American people.
Speaker 22 (01:15:47):
Well, I think it's the right thing to do. I
think it's the right thing to be aggressive. I don't
know that a fee will hold up, and like a
lot of things, Trump says, I don't know if the
intention is for it to hold up or if he's
simply pressing his leverage as far as he can to
improve the United States' position here. But I think the
Iranian regime needs to be deposed, and I think that
(01:16:11):
was now the late Senator Lindsay Graham's genius simple insight
into all of this is that peace in the Middle
East and in the larger world is not possible with
this hostile, theocratic death cult with its hands on the
lever of power, and so we need to do everything
(01:16:33):
we possibly can to get them out. There's no negotiating
with these people, and there's there's no peaceful solution to
this problem, and so we need to continue pressing the
military option. I believe that, and you know today's news,
we're back on with a blockade and okay, games back on.
(01:16:54):
We're back in the game, and now hopefully we can
make something happen, because we would all like to see
a few future with a peaceful Middle East.
Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
You know, Peter, everything that I saw the administration doing
in this issue, in this conflict with Iran, be it
the ceasefires or the MOUs or whatever has happened. It
seemed that like mid August was really the drop dead
date to have this thing maybe buttoned up. And it
made sense to me because they have, you we have
the midterms coming and people look to Labor Day as
kind of the beginning of that campaign season. Do you
(01:17:22):
see with today's announcement or whatever's gone on the breaking
of the ceasefire last week, do you think that we
can get this under control in a way that prices stabilized,
the oil is stabilized in terms of price, people feel
like we've got this under control before the midterms.
Speaker 22 (01:17:40):
You know, it's impossible to know, but my instinct is
that no, we can't. And that goes to a problem
we've had in waging this war from the very beginning,
is that the Trump administration, while I believe it was
correct on the policy, never did the work of convincing
the people that this needed to be done. And if
we learned anything in the last fifty years of waging war,
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it's impossible for the United States of America to win
a war without overwhelming public support. And as soon as
that public support starts to flag. The leaders in charge
can't do the things that are necessary to win wars.
Wars are messy, there are setbacks, They take a long time,
and if all of our decisions are merely political, we're
(01:18:23):
never going to be able to do what's necessary to
win a war. We have elections every year in this country,
even our off years, we have important elections, and it's
always a referendum on how the presidential administration is doing. Now,
under these conditions, you need to maintain a certain level
of public support for your war to be seen through
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to its end, and the Trump administration never did what
was necessary to convince Americans that this was necessary. Now,
I believe this war was necessary and it remains necessary
because fundamentally, a nuclear Iran is a strategic and moral catastrophe.
Now you think that that should go without saying that
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we need to keep a brand from not having nuclear weapon.
But I don't think the case was ever made to
the American people why it's so urgent that we not
allowed this crazy regime to get a new clear weapon.
And I think if the people understood that, they would
back this war. And so I would like to see
this moment now Senator Graham's death, the restarting of the
(01:19:25):
conflict as a reset moment, a moment where the administration
can begin to really level with the American people about
why we need to do this. And you know, politically,
we just got to do our best. But the courageous thing,
the right thing, the wise thing, is to press this
case forward and depose you run, end regime.
Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
We're talking right now with Peter laughing with the Washington Examiner. Peter,
I want to ask you Donald Trump. And I think
most people recognize that Donald Trump is a pretty darn
good negotiator. But even today in his interviews this morning,
I think it was on Fox News, he basically said,
you know, the Iranians are bad negotiators, And how do
you deal with bad negotiators if you're trying to negotiate
a settlement to your beatle?
Speaker 22 (01:20:05):
Yeah, you know, that goes to a fundamental problem. There's
the reason we have this conflict to begin with, that
these people cannot negotiate in good faith. Now elsewhere, Donald
Trump has said, I think very accurately, that Iran never
wins wars, but they always win negotiations. And the reason
they win negotiations is because they're not telling the truth,
and nobody holds and nobody holds them to that standard
(01:20:27):
because they have total control over their people and they
don't care about the condition of their people. They don't
care if their people starve, they don't care if their
people don't have electricity, And those political conditions are actually
very optimal for winning negotiations. It's really hard to negotiate
if you're always telling the truth and you're always doing
things in an upright way that everybody in America agrees with.
(01:20:50):
It's very difficult for America to wage war under these conditions.
And it goes back to the more fundamental problem of
the whole thing is that if you can negotiate with
these people and they're theologically convinced that they need to
wipe Israel off the map, and they need to destroy
the great state in the United States, and they need
Islamic domination of the globe, what are you really negotiating with?
Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Now?
Speaker 22 (01:21:14):
Was the problem with the MoU For me. Once again,
we were led into this fable of an Iranian moderate,
you know, the fabled Iranian moderate who's going to spring
up from this stew of insanity. It's never going to happen.
It's a delusion, and so I'm happy to see US
press as forward.
Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
So you mentioned public support. I think back I wasn't
around during World War Two. I would imagine there was
a lot of support against Germany and Adolf Hitler and
the but the last of public support, at least that
I've tracked, would be post nine to eleven. But that
didn't really lend itself to a quick or easy war
or a victory. What does public support for a war
(01:21:55):
even look like? As you say it, I'm trying to
imagine an example, don't I can't think of one.
Speaker 22 (01:22:01):
No, it's a great question, and we can, I think,
make the same critique about how the Bush administration waged
the post nine to eleven wars. The rationale wasn't fully explained,
wasn't on solid evidence sometimes, and the effort to convince
people and to sustain their support simply wasn't made. There's
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something really arrogant about the way we've been waging foreign
policy for the last twenty five years. And this goes
for both parties. Presidential administrations behaving as if, first of all,
they don't need to convince the public, and by way
of extension, they don't need to convince Congress. What drives
me crazy about this conflict is we have the truth
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on our side. An Iranian nuclear weapon is a moral
and strategic catastrophe, and history would judge the people who
allowed a nuclear Ranian regime to happen so abominably. We
would rise up. The American people would rise up to
meet this moment. Americans are wise and moral. They just
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need things explained to them. And if you think back
to the start of this conflict with a Ran back
in February, back in March, this case was not made.
Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Now.
Speaker 22 (01:23:18):
Some of that is by design. Donald Trump is great
with strategic ambiguity. He surprised them Venezuelans. He surprised the
Iranians a year and a half ago or a year
ago with Operation Midnight Hammer, and that worked out very
well for him. But this kind of sustained war is
much different than those very short term operations. This sustain
(01:23:40):
war requires public support because we've talked about there's always
an election around the corner, and we're at a point
now where I don't think the politics of this are
going to really work, not in time for the midterms,
certainly probably in time for twenty twenty eight, but not
in time for the midterms, and it's just the time
to just do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
On our news riker line, Peter Laughing. Peter, of course,
is a columnist with The Washington Examiner, Greg talking about
the plan for the president or the president should kind
of reset what he's doing in uh in Iran. I
think we have an idea. Now he's just done with
these guys. You know whoops Proce. You turn your microphone on.
You know you can do that over there.
Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
It's so much easier when you do.
Speaker 24 (01:24:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
No, I you know he's resetting because he's bombing the
daylights on him.
Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Well he's I think we're now three days of real bombing,
serious bombing, and I and I think that that's uh.
I think he has done. I don't know why you
wouldn't be done again. I always gave room for you
don't know what you don't know, but what we do
know is enough that I think he's being made to
look silly for the man who I think is one
of the great And I watch it on other fronts
where he is negotiating. Spain has them, you know, goes
(01:24:49):
after them in the morning. They're they're paying their fair
share of NATO by the evening. He does a phenomenal
job on many fronts. Iran is making him, is making
them look foolish, and I think he senses it. I
think that's why you're saying that he's done. He's absolutely
done with these people.
Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
All right, more coming up, final segment of the rod
in Greg Shouldren, Who's still?
Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I actually thought guess who was the cover band for
the Who? I was very confused. It was a very
confusing time.
Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Well, we're playing that because all this week we're going
to be giving away tickets to see the guests Who
in concert at the Maverick Center coming up on August fourteenth,
just about a month away.
Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
This is coming up, quick, folks at the mat of
Center August fourteenth. Two pairs of tickets. What's our color?
Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
That's good color? Number ten?
Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
I like it. Ten. Guess who the concerts at the
Maverick Center.
Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero.
Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
One eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one
zero is the number to call. If you are the
tenth caller and seller, you are the lucky winner.
Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
See and this is my area tickets, this is my era,
so I can relate to these guys. American Woman was
a very popular song and a big protest song right
during the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Yeah, you know, we're not just staring at me because
like Bloomer, because yeah, you know why. I'm just thinking
of all the things you boomers were all uptight about.
And I don't know how you're still not you. But
we weren't your generations protesting. We were saying that was wrong.
A lot of not you, but a lot of your
your ilk are still protesting over.
Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Where would you be today without the Boomers?
Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Well, I actually needed one to actually come into this world.
Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yes you.
Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Did.
Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
So I need a little bit of those wild chat
children to uh, you know, make me make a little
baby Greg run.
Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Uh guess who comes for tickets caller number ten right
now Maverick Center. I guess fourteenth will be giving away
tickets all week so you'll hear a little uh little
guests who I was impressed earlier today with Sons of
Legion and they, uh, what is it? The Red West
Festival ticket? That guy was good.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Boy that the voice say that Sons of Legion Sons
of is I actually had? And when Eerie played some
of the music I could hear the voice that it
was familiar. Uh does does the cover song for like
Phil Collins the Air in the Air Tonight in the
Brilliant from Miami Vice. Yeah, it's these are all I am.
There's a lot of great bands at the at the
(01:27:06):
Red West Festival, but that Soun's the legion. It's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Share what Bruce Mick Jagger told Bruce Springsteen over the weekend, Now,
shut up good. He said, you know, people come to
concerts to be entertained, not lecture. All right, that does
that for us tonight, Head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family. And that's great country at
the hours. We'll talk to you tomorrow at FO
Signed an executive order the two of them, one for
Bear's Ears National Monument, one for Staircase Escalant National Monument.
These are these if you didn't if you didn't know
these these national monuments. Clinton made the Staircase Escalant one
when he was leaving his final days in office. Before
he left, it was treating Uta or Uta Utah like
an ATM to the environmentalists, encumbering all of this land
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and restricting it from its public access to these royal communities,
they are good stewards of this land. It really interrupted economies.
Then you had fast forward to the final weeks of
Barack Obama's administration, once again treating Utah like an ATM
and taking encumbering millions of acres for the environmentalists to encumber,
even for they already owned this land. Rod this is
(00:44):
Bureau of Land Management land. They already own it. But
then they restrict it even more severely and really in
opposition to the people that live there, all people that
live there, Native Americans, everybody that lives there, suggesting they're
not good stewards of land. So when that had happened
with Barack Obama in the sixteen race, when President Trump
won we Utah and its leaders got President Trump to
(01:08):
pay attention. Secretary then Zinke Ryan Zinky come and take
a tour, and in December of twenty seventeen came to
the Capitol rotunda and signed the executive orders reducing eighty
percent or more these so called national monuments. As soon
as Biden got into office, he said, King Zach's not
just kidding, and he reversed them all. So what do
(01:29):
we have today. He didn't come out here to do it,
but in the White House, in the presence of our
federal delegation, the governor and Speaker of the State, Speaker
of the House, Mike Schultz, he signed two executive orders
basically restoring the good work he had done in his
first term.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, now that question, that's now the question is
going to hold.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It'll hold until some you know, here's a problem until
a Democrat president.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Wants to re undo it, and he will and he will.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Or you got two states, Wyoming and Alaska, who somehow
got exempted from this Antiquities Act where you can't do
it to those two states anymore. Why do those two
states have it so good? I think Utah has paid
you know, at the Office I think we have checked
the box on federally encumbered land. We should be amongst
those two states, Wyoming and Alaska, for no longer being
(02:17):
subject to this this back and forth of national monuments.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
There we go and we'll talk with a county commissioner
down southern Utah who will talk to us about what's
going on with this. Getting his local reaction also coming up.
We've got a lot to get to today. We're we'll
talk here in a minute about Lindsey Graham. We are
going to talk about that guy who got tossed by
a buffalo up in the Yellows. That is video is
all over the place. He said he's ok he's out
(02:42):
talking to people. You know, he's got a broken boner two.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I appreciate him being okay and actually be having a
sense of humor about it, because there is a part
of you that last you see this man launched in
the air. It's scary at first, but people have made
like Benny Hill stories where they speed him up running
around and people been having a good time with it.
But it would not be funny if he was seriously
hurt or did not find the humor in it himself.
He seems to be good natured about it. With that said,
(03:09):
it is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, And we may ask a little bit later on
in the show for some of your wildlife interactions.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, I have you have some experiences.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, you sure do well. Weird weekend for you, mister Hughes.
You're e ray got an unexpected patch package on the
front door.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, we can't say.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We we We'll get into that a little bit later on.
And yes, I did golf when it was one hundred
and three?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How did you survive it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was fine, You're in a cart. That light breeze you're.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
In shade is fine one hundred and three.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, but well it's probably closet.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's that's that was pretty hot this weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I wasn't warm this weekend. What was it yesterday? At
the airport? One hundred and nine?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They say we broke an all time record. Yeah, so yeah,
since I think they've been recording the temperature around here
for one hundred and fifty years and this was the
hottest they recorded.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, I wonder sometimes did you put the thermostatic
on a black top this time? I mean, is it
the same way you've always measured the temperature. Did you
go did you measure it in a place that's particularly hot?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know who knows. All right, let's talk about
Lindsey Graham. Boy, what a what a what a shock
when we woke up what was it yesterday afternoon or
yesterday morning that he had died. And for a while
you're one of the conspiracy theorists that was trying to
blame Russia.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Still I'm still thinking Russia.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You're still thinking it's Russia. But Lindsey gam Graham, you know,
I was hot and cold on Lindsey Graham. Sometimes I
think he did good things. Other times I can go,
what on earth are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, he seemed to be a bit of a warmonger. Yeah,
but he's had his moments where he has been a champion.
I think he's especially in the Supreme Court nomination processes
where the Democrats were so unfair to most recently President
Trump's nominees, and I think he really put us all,
you know, bright line and really did some good work then.
(05:00):
And he is I think Lindsay Graham has been a
mixed bag on a bunch of issues. But if you
told me last week, Polymarkets got one of these betting lines,
and one of these proposition lines that who's going to
be the first to pass away, Mitch McConnell or Lindsay Graham.
I ought to bet the house on Mitch McConnell. I'm
with you, and he might actually be gone and they
(05:20):
haven't told it yet. But as far as official passing away,
seventy one year old.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Lindsey Graham just seventy one too.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Who, by the way, just not that long ago, was
showing off like he could do a full interview, running
the stairs of the Capitol, not losing his breath. So again,
I go back to my Russian conspiracy. All of Russia's
most greatest antagonists and opponents, somehow always die of natural castings.
I don't know there's a trend. There could be, I
don't know how natural.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
A lot of people today are pointing to maybe Lindsey
Graham's best moment. I want to take you back to.
I think it was September twenty seventh of twenty eighteen
bred Kavanaugh doated to be a Supreme Court justice. We
know what happened there, but I tell you what. Lindsey
Graham went after Diane Feinstein, who reportedly set all of
this stuff up to go after Bret Kavanaugh and did
(06:11):
he ever get after her? And what was done to Kevanaugh.
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come
to us. What you want to do is destroy this
guy's life. Hold this seat open and hope you went
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You've said that, not me.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You've got nothing to apologize for. When you see Soda
Maron Kagan, tell him that Lindsay said, Oh, because I
voted for them, I would never do to them what
you've done to this guy. This is the most unethical
sham since I've been in politics. And if you really
(06:49):
wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't
have done what you've done to this guy. Are you
a gang rapist?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Boy, y'all want power.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
God, I hope you never get it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I hope the American people can see through this cham
that you knew about it, and you held it. You
had no intention of protecting doctor for it none.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Jesus as much of a.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Victim as you are.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
God.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I hate to say that because these have been my friends,
but let me tell you when it comes to this,
you're looking for a fair process. You came to the
wrong town at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
My friend Lindsey Graham during the bred Kavni hearings, a
lot of people Gregor are saying that was a turning
point in those hearings. It really, I mean, Lindsey Graham
laid it out and this was all contrived, It was
all an effort to get him rejected. And Lindsey Graham
and his strong denunciation of what Diane Feinstein's office did. Really,
(07:51):
people are saying, really did turn the tide.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It did, and he did. And I think that you
can hear that isn't a scripted moment he might have
had prepared to states, but you can hear how upset
he is. And it is appalling what the Democrats and
these these Supreme Court nomination proceedings are willing to do.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It started with Bork back in the Reagan days, and
it has gotten worse and seedier and dirtier ever since.
And uh, and I think Lindsay Graham's you know, righteous
indignation in that moment was appropriate and you couldn't question it.
That was not performative. You look at these Democrats today
and everything's performative. You can hear in that in his
(08:33):
voice there how upset he is and rightfully so, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Can hear his anger. I mean, he is just so
angry as to how this guy and his family were
treated by the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And Brett Kavanaugh's you know, his confirmation hearing, and they
they the Democrats had already believed they had buried this guy.
They thought they set him up for the they had
taken down other nominees with less they have. I mean,
Bork didn't have this kind of attack when they got him,
when they got him kicked off, and you know, they
(09:04):
withdrew his nominated, Reagan withdrew his nomination. So I think
they thought they had had Kavanaugh out. And I think
that moment there with Senator Lindsay Graham was was what
was needed to preserve that that And look, I think
his votes have been great. I think Kavanaugh has been
a great member of a great Supreme Court justice, as
we knew he would be. And that's why the Democrats,
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the leftist went after him so hard because they knew
he'd be like That's that's why they went after Clarence
Thomas in the dirty way they did.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh boy, doesn't even go there. All right, we've got
a lot to get to idiots. The Monday afternoon edition
of The Rodding Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk
radio one oh five nine can arrests who hope everybody
had a as best they could a cool weekend. Kind
of toasty out there? Yeah is that hot out their?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But outside yet it's hot.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's hot, you know, look like it's this kind We're
all not walking around sweating to death out there. We're
all kind of survived him from one air conditioned source
to a next think.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
About people who are working outside right now. Yeah, we're
doing the construction and roofing and ninety seven outside the
station right now? Now, I tell you this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Did you know? Yeah, they had a power outage in
Washington County yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes they didn't. Pretty good side the heat, yeah, pretty good? Oops,
pretty good size. Well, Well, let's talk about the Sutherland
Report is out with a new report called the Safety Net,
And what they're talking about is basically empowerment accounts. What
exactly are those? Where would they lead us?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Greg?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Kind of interesting approach, very much so, and joining us
on our newsbanker line to talk about that is Nick Dunny.
He's a senior fellow at the Sutherland Institute. Nick, how
are you welcome back to the Routing Greg show.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Nick exactly what is empowerment accounts? What are they? What
are you looking at?
Speaker 8 (10:53):
The idea is basically this that if we were to
ask ourselves today, hey, let's build a social safety of
some kind to help people who are struggling trying to
get out of poverty, provide some temporary help and get
them back on the path to work in independence, what
would it actually look like. I don't think anyone would
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point to the system we do have today and say, well,
let's just build that.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
So the empowerment account concept that basically, if we were going, well.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It looks like Nick, you may want to move to
a different, different area if you can. Nick, all right,
all right, all right, we're on trying. We're on trying
and reconnect with Nick because we lost and we're talking
about these empowerment accounts. I was going to ask Nick,
did it start with FDR or did it start with LBJ. Yeah, No,
(11:52):
it'd be it would be a little bit of both.
I think, Yeah, I don't know. I was excited to hear.
But you know what, you know this might be Russia too.
I mean, they gotta they got a list of enemies.
You think Russia.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well you know that. You know we never have this trouble.
You realized we had the same trouble last week.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We did.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, they called. Remember, we had to have a guest,
had to call back. Yes, a couple of times. This
hasn't happened here before. Something's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So you think the Russians are.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
After I do. I think we're on the enemy's list.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it be the heat.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Nope, No, it's it's put.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
All right, all right, we got Nick back. Let's see
if we can bring Nick back. Nick. Will keep our
fingers crossed at our phone. Reception will be a little
bit better this time. Talk again about empowerment accounts and
what you're trying to do Nick.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Yeah, thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Again.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
The basic idea is that the empowerment account concept takes
multiple safety net programs and rather than having a family
be receiving benefits from food stamps and cash assistants and
childcare assistance and utility assistance, it's multiple different programs. It's
kind of the system as it is right now. But
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the Empowerment account concept says, well, let's just create one integrated,
streamlined temporary assistance program that would provide some monthly cash
assistance to a family to help to address their immediate needs,
and then have it be plugged into the workforce system
that we already have here at the state level to
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help get them back on their feet with the goal
of work based independence. It's basically streamlining and simplifying a
safety that on the federal level that was never coherently
and cohesively designed. These programs were sort of cobbled together
over decades, and this is a way to re envision
how we think about the way public policy should help
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families and poverty get.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Back on their feet.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Neck One of the challenges with social services and programs
is that they tend to not on purpose, but they
sometimes create cliffs where their income. You have to have
a certain income or lack of income to qualify. But
if you were to find yourself in a job and
find yourself getting back on your feet, but you just
went over one of those income thresholds that qualifies you
for something like this, you would lose it all. But
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the amount of money you would have seen by a
rays would not be the same as the amount that
you would lose, So it becomes a disincentive to find
gainful employment or seek a raise, or to be able
to get back on your feet, because what you lose
at the same time is bigger than what you would gain.
So it's a perverse incentive. What do these empowerment accounts
do to kind of address those cliffs that have been
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there that kind of trap people in this social service cycle.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Well, it's part of the idea, and you're absolutely right
because the benefit clips phenomenon, which we've researched here at
Subtle Institute, it would survey data finding that forty three
percent of Utah's safety that population had at some point
taken an action to limit their earned income because they
were afraid of triggering a benefit cliff. And part of
that is because you have multiple different programs, sometimes with
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different eligibility rules and different phase outs, So it's really
tough for a family to know if I take this raise,
how is it going to affect the various public assistance
programs that I'm on and will I be better off
financially or not? And the benefit of the empowerment account
concept is you have one assistance program essentially, and so
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you have one phase out rate you have to worry
about for every additional dollar I get in income, you know,
maybe my assistance program or my empowerment account would decrease
by this amount of money.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So the idea is that.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
For reformers, folks at the state or federal level, or
administrators or families, the system is way too complicated and
this would essentially streamline it and make it a lot
easier to have a single rate of tapering or a
phase out rate for this program. So the idea is
that it's going to be easier for states to know
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how to roll people off of these programs, and ultimately
that's the goal for everyone, is to move back to
work based independence if they can.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Nick, how did this get so carried away? I mean
the welfare state in this country, not only in this
state but around the country. How did he get so
carried away?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Well, first, I have to say that here in Utah,
we are fortunate that Utah does things a little differently.
In many of the times when I've gone around the
country to speak out about this issue or at different events,
folks around the country look to Utah in some respects
as the gold standard because of our integrated model. We
have welfare programs and workforce programs that live in the
same state agency or the folks at the Department of
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Workforce Services do really tremendous work on this front. So
we're fortunate in that respect. But the reason the problems
are there in the first place, I think, honestly, it
was well intended. If you go back to the launch
of the War on Poverty in nineteen sixty four by
President Lyndon B. Johnson, the aspirational intent or the vision
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of the War on Poverty was great. You read through
those speeches, and he talked about work and giving people
a chance to earn their success and to enjoy the
blessings of living in America. And then yes, assistance programs
as a part of that provides some stabilization. But the
problem is that the various programs that comprise the safety
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Net were created at different times with different objectives, and
they are administered often by different federal entities, and they
report up through different congressional committees, and so you have,
you know, eighty to one hundred depending on how you
measure it. Safety Net programs spending well over a trillion
or a trillion and a half dollars a year with
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just different objectives and visions. And that's part of the
problem where we saw this even last year with the
One Big Beautiful Bill, the debate over work requirements. There
was a debate over whether or not work or elevating
work should even be part of say the Medicaid program
for example, whereas again the whole system should be about temporary,
stableism on the path back to work based independence. And
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so I think it was well intended over the years,
kind of in peace no fashion. But the pitch of
this paper is really we need to think and transformative
terms of again calling for an aspirational discussion. What would
we design it like today? Because that'll show us where
the gaps are really quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Nick, great great idea, great reporter. We appreciate your time
and good luck with this effort. Thank you, Nick, Thanks
very much. I always good to talk to you guys.
All right, Nick Dunn, Senior Fellow at the Sutherland Institute,
talking about empowerment accounts more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show and Talk Radio one O five to
nine kN rs. Before we talked Bear zer z Ra
(18:42):
just sent this over. Apparently Abby has been reporting this
incident at Valley Fair Mall out here on the west
side of the valley. Apparently there was a stabbing, that's
what it appears to be, and people saw it, and
boy did they go after the stabber. A little street justice.
Those street justice, Yeah, they're a value fair mall. Yeah,
so Abby, you'll have more on that coming up at
the top of the hour. Well, big news today. Greg
(19:05):
as expected reported last week that the President today would
sign executive orders reducing the size yet once again to
Bear's Ears and Grand Staircase national Monuments.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, it's dejavou all over again. Joining us on
the program as one of our great cowboys and leaders
of the state of Utah, Leland Pollock. He's a Garfield
County Commissioner, Commissioner. Welcome to the Ron and Greg show.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
How you doing, my good friend, and and before we
get started, thank you again for what you did when
you was the speaker.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well thanks, thank you, sir, because I was going to say,
you know, didn't you and I didn't we already do
all this? Didn't we didn't we fight the good fight
and get President Trump to come to the Utah and
sign this executive order at the Capitol Rotunda. Didn't we
take care of this when we were on the clock together.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
We sure did imagine that we had it figured out
that long ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The latest commission from one I understand, I'm reading today
that the president has now cut nearly three million acres
out of those two monuments in southern Utah. What kind
of a difference could that make in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, let's put it in perspective. And I don't I
respect as the speaker Hughes knows, I respect the other counties.
They can speak for Bearsiers, but I can I can
tell you exactly specifically on the Grand Staircase two million acres, Okay,
that's what that thing was. And I was interviewed just
a minute ago and they compared to the Grand Canyon
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being one point eight million or whatever acres it is.
And I said, I made a clear comparison. Yeah, but
you can see something there. There is something to see.
There's nothing to see on this one point eight million
acres on the Grand Staircase that come out. It is
nothing but BLM rangelands, age brush, rabbit brush washes. It
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was where the original Planet of the Eight movie set
was filmed. That's how desolate this is. Did you know that?
Did you guys both know that?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I did not know?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You watch that? Charlestonhaston, he gets out and he wanders
around on that wasteland with the other astronauts. That is
they put that into a grand staircase national monument. Now,
what the hell can you see on that? That is nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The commissioner though it did have a massive economic impact.
Now these are small rural communities, but you had some
thriving economies going on in your rural communities. Maybe share
with our listeners what was the economic impact of families,
generational businesses that were located in that area.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, in the town of Escalanta, their school enrollment dropped
to fifty two students in twenty sixteen. In just what
that's twenty years and it dropped from one hundred and
fifty down to fifty two. They wanted to close the
school and we figured out a way to hang on there.
The state of emergency, now that tells you everything right there.
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And we've had two saw mills closed because of the
people that came in with the monuments started litigating these
local saw mills and their timber sales. And now look
how did that turn out? Look how that turned out?
Right now we're burning, The state of Utah is burning.
But it was a huge impact. But let me just
say something else. When Mike Noel, your good friend and
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my brother in law, now did the NIPA study back
in the day in nineteen ninety six, that the only footprint, okay,
the only thing that would be affected by this was
a parking lot the size of Walmart on the Anex's
coal mine. Did you know that that's all that would
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have been affected. So that's like saying Bryce Canyon is
thirty three thousand acres, but we're going to seventy miles away.
We've got a coal mine we want to shut down.
And they have admitted. Bill Clinton admitted in his book
My Life by Bill Clinton, that he created that monument
to stop that coal mine. Well, why did he if
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he was going to do that, why did he? Why
did he not just leave the rest of it out?
The reason is there's nothing else in it that's any
value other than the canyons of the Escalante, And that's
what's left in it right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now, Yeah, Commissioner, I remember the argument was during all
of this going back the first time we did this,
it would really increase tourism in that areas, and those
small communities who've been hit by this would thrive with
new tourism dollars. Have you seen any examples of that
taking place there? You're laughing, I.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Think, answer, no, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And the thing is listen, Bryce Canyon National Park thirty
three to thirty five thousand acres Okay, two to three
million people go there in a year. That is an impact
Grand Staircase. Nobody even knows where the Grand Staircase is
because there is no Grand Staircase, and so there's the
canyons of the Escalante. If they would have just done
that one little portion and focused on that, that could
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have helped the communities, that could have helped them. But
they didn't. They created this huge albatross that nobody knew
how to manage. That has been a mess since day
one of September nineteen ninety six when they did this.
So yeah, no, it has not. No, it's not huge
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help in any way, shape or form, and the land
is much worse off. I want to say this for
these so called environmentalists, they're really not environmentalists. We're the
true conservationists because we used to do range improvement projects
to make the land healthy, you know, to cut down
on the evasive encroachment opinions, juniper and watershed control to
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stop the springs from drying up, and the flooding and
erosion control. We used to do that. You ought to
see some of the can edition of that rangeland today
they haven't been able to do that, so environmentally it's
been a disaster.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
To the commissioner is always a pleasure talking with you.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You guys take care. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
All right. That's Garfield County Commissioner Leland Pollock talking about
what's going on. The announcement today by the President. He
had Utah's congressional delegation there along with the governor and
House Speaker Mike Schultz on Bear's Ears and Grand staircase,
reducing him by about three million acres.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think this one's even smaller than the one they
did in seventeen. Biden shouldn't have touched it. He made
it bigger than Obama's. This is even smaller than the
one he did in seventeen. I'm smiling though, because I'm
not you know, I'm not a rural guy. It might
surprise some of our listeners to know I didn't grow
up in rural Utah. And but this you just heard
from Commissioner of Pollock, this cowboy, he taught this, this
city boy, what was really going on down there. And
(25:52):
I became as passionate about this issue as any public
policy issue we dealt with. And we don't see this
all the time along the Wasatch Front, how these communities
are so detrimentally impacted by the heavy hand of the
federal government. This is a huge win. And this time
we have to make it stick. This time we cannot
keep ping ponging back between administrations. This has got to stay.
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Two states, as I mentioned, Wyoming and Alaska do not
have to are not subject to this political cash in
from Democrat presidents to environmental groups and encumbering moreland. Utah
has to be YEA. It needs to be exempt from
the Antiquities Act as those two states are more.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Coming up on the Roden greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine can Arrest Crack a couple
of quick notes before we head to the break. Sam
Neil died today. New Zealand actor He was in Jurassic Park.
Most recently. If you watch Peaky Blinders, would you invite
the A couple of seasons he was on a couple
of seasons he was on. Passed away today at the
age of seventy eight after cancer.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah that's too bad, too bad. Yeah, so a very
popular actor.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, good actor.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Good act.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And by the way, apparently the first female umpire in
Major League Baseball is not having a good start. She
is getting ripped. I mean, she was behind the plate
the other day in the Padres Blues Blue Jays game,
and you know that new system they have. Every one
of her calls were overturned by the system, So she's
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she's having a difficult time.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's you know. I hope that's not one
of these, you know, DEI hires. I hope this wasn't.
I'm all for female umpires if they if they got
a good eye to do it. George, you had a
good eye. Great, I don't care the gender. But if
it's if it was to check a box, that's that's
you gotta hate that if you're the team that she's
calling balls and strikes for not.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Good, not good. All right, We've got a lot to
get to in hour number two? Have you seen the
video from Yellowstone Man.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
This guy's running for his life and there's a buffalo
after him.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We're talking about it, and we want to get your
experiences with wildlife coming up in the five o'clock out
to bring this up, Greg, was it last week? I think?
And I'm trying remember the organization that rated Los Angeles
is the third worst city to live in or community
to live in, and Utah and I think it was
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Wisconsin came out on top. Right, Remember that wasn't last week?
I think? Sometimes. Well, now we have liberal CNBC listing
the ten worst states to live in.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, Utah is one.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Of them from who was the source again, CNBC? Yeah, okay,
Liberal CNBC. All you had to say is NBC Okay,
I know. Now here are the states, right, Tennessee, Texas, Indiana, Louisiana, Georgia, Utah, Missouri, Alabama, Oklahoma,
and Arkansas. What do those states have in common? They're red,
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that's one of them, and they all voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There you go, So why don't they just say if
you if your state voted for Donald Trump, because he
is the president, so that would be the ones with
the most electrical You're the worst place to live. Okay,
we'll go try your hat. Go go to New York
City with mom Donnie. Tell me how that's working for you.
To go to Gavin Newsom's California. Tell me how that's working.
Give me a break.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I'll tell you right, I'll tell you where I'm
ill suited to live. Yellowstone National Park.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't be taking up residents.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I don't think I should live there. I think that
in hindsight, having not been there for a while, but
in hindsight, having visited that place in my twenties, my
early years when I was.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Young, you're kind of stupid.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it looks like upon for the review. As I
watched this video that's gone viral that you mentioned of
this buffalo clearly agitated at this tourist, this person that's
there at this camp round.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't know if he's agitated at the one personated.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We passed everybody else. There's a lot of people he
could have got, but he went after this one. This
one guy, I don't know, long Beard. I don't know
if he's the overalls, I don't know what. But this
this buffalo went after him, and he was far away.
I say all this to say that when I was young,
in my early twenties, I was very surprised to go
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to Yellowstone National Park and find buffalo in campgrounds and
just you have to look at binoculars and see him
from way far away there kind of around people.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, you're a Pittsburgh kid, yes, so it since the
first time you ever saw a buffalo zoo.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I the zoo. I've thrown marshmallows to bears. Okay,
I knows I have a very different relationship with animals. Okay,
And I go to yellow I go to Yellowstone and
these there there's like campgrounds, and there's just a buffalo
right there. So I got a lot closer than that
poor guy in that video this weekend and it was
still spring. There was still snow on the ground. So,
(30:46):
and I hate to admit it, but I thought, I
want to get his attention. He isn't looking over beer
because I kind of yelled, hey buffalo, Hey buffalo, bill,
look my way. He's ignoring me. Maybe he can't hear me.
So I take a little snowball and I lob you
and I hit the buffalo and this buffalo doesn't like
whip its head around to look at me. It's this
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slow motion kind of looks over at me, and I'm
kind of close. He doesn't get up, he doesn't do
anything that's on that video I saw where he gets
up and he starts hauling after that. Dude, that guy's
running around those trees. It's not giving up. I learned
two things. One I have no idea how I'm sitting
here today given my relationship with buffaloes up close as
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in my early twenties. And two I learned, if you're
getting chased by a buffalo, don't run on a straight line.
You're gonna get caught. This this buff the giant buffalo
closed down on the guy, just captured him fast, knocked
him eight feet in the air. And when I say eight,
I mean his head is eight feet off the ground.
His feet are above his head even higher than that,
(31:51):
so he looks like a starfish up in the sky.
It is unbelievable. So I got to thinking, moose buffalo,
how many of our listeners have been in around, have
been the Yellowstone, or have been around these wild animals,
And how if you made any mistakes, did you see
any dummies like me that got a little too close.
I didn't even know I was being as cavalier and
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crazy as I was, maybe until I saw that video.
Or maybe buffaloes have just changed their personalities. Yeah in
thirty years, Well maybe they're just sick of people now.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The background on this story is an elderly man who
was in his sixties with his grandson were at a campground.
They were taking a walk through the campground. They see
this buffalo kind of across the road a little bit
from him, far away. Actually, something's agitating him because he's
rolling in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
He is wrong there. It's like one hundred yards it
might be eighty yards, one hundred yards away. He is
not there, not.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Closed, not closed, and they're just taking pictures. A truck
passes by. I don't know if he is trying for
the truck. It looks like he may have been, but
the truck passed by, and he's decided to go after
this elderly gentleman for some reason.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And there's like these trees that are kind of in
a row. He runs around the trees. This thing's coming
right around the trees with him.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Right around the trees, hits them and sends them, like
you said, eight feet into the air.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know if you if you're mine, if you haven't.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Seen a video the video, look, folks, look.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
At I don't know what eight feet sounds like. But
I will tell you what eight feet looks like. It
looks like he got sent to the moon and back.
He is in the air for a long time. I
mean he that buffalo just lowers his head and just
lifts that guy up out of the That guy is
a Scott. He's up in the sky.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now, fortunately it didn't go hm okay, so, but he
apparently broke some bones. But he is up and talking
today and he says, you know, I'm okay, I'm okay.
A few bruises and bumps and bumps and maybe a
broken bone or two here and there. But he's a
guy from Washington, Bothel, Washington, which is I think southwest
of Seattle, as I recall something like that. But and
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he he's considered one of the nicest guys in the community.
He's always willing to help out. As a matter of fact,
he's he's subbed for Santa a few times because of
that big old white beard he has. Well, you know
the guy, but man, you know how many how many times? Greg?
And it usually happens. Jah, Okay, you can go after
me for saying this with Asian tourists. Oh sheez, you
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went there. What happened to this dummy? I was, I
was way too close to the buffalo. But they go
they go to Yellowstone and they want to get as
close as they can, and what happens. A lot of
times they get injured. Right now, you had your experience,
the only experience I've ever had. Oh I've been to
a Yellowstone and seen the buffalo before, never gotten out
of their cause. No, I never got close because there's
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one word wild.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, I know, you know, you just named all these
nice things about this man, clearly all lost on the buffalo.
The buffalo did not appreciate this man's been a sub
precise It's a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But you know what, we have him out here at Antelope.
Pilot was telling me, you go out there, you stay
in your you'll see the buffalo on Antalope, Pilant, but
do not get out of the car and take a picture.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Of the No, and I hear people do. Here's the
thing I found amazing about that video that whether it.
I thought it was a woman. I thought it was
a woman that's wearing Miami Dolphins jersey too, number fourteen.
But because I've seen a few times, But this buffalo
goes after him specifically, like maybe the truck was kind
of galloping when the pickup truck was going by. But
when the pickup truck goes by.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
This this this buffalo keeps going.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He spots him, he starts running. He runs past other people.
There's other people in this campground. He's after that guy.
That guy is his start. Hey, he hit a tree,
kind of hit a tree and beat it up a
little bit, kept going, went right after him.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's what's the buffalo got against.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
This guy and it was his He singled him out.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Now, come to find out, and we've learned this as
the course of this story is developed, that it is
mating season.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
This man does not look like this does not look
like buffalo Bill's girlfriend of me.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I do not understand how, But.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
The buffalo is a little agitated. Okay, apparently cannot find
a female buffalo.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So a lot of frustration.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So a lot of frustration building up in this poor buffalo.
So he decides to go after this elderly man who
looked nothing like a buffalo.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But no, he cannot be confused for a buffalo. I
just I you know, I felt bad for that guy.
But I tell you, the internet's a funny place.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Then.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
The social media is. They've got Benny Hill, you know
music with it where they speed up the video and
have the buffalo chasing the guy. It is pretty funny.
It did go viral, and but it's only funny because
the guy's not seriously injured. But it is a reminder
for me now. Like I said, I know the gravity
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of my carelessness or my recklessness probably didn't and I'm
that was thirty plus years ago. Didn't hit home till
I saw that and thought I was so much closer
to a buffalo. I I wasn't trying to take a picture.
I was throwing a snowball or snowballs and at buffalo
and I did not get chased. How on earth did
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that happen? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well, how long's it Ben, since you've been to Yellowstone?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, it was about back then.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I was.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I was dating Queen Bee when I when I went several.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Years, my wife and I took a ride up there
a couple of years ago. And the thing about you
can always tell there's an animal somewhere because the traffic
just stops. Everyone pulls over, everybody gets out of the
car to get their picture right. It could be a buffalo,
It could be a moose, It could be a.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Moose, can be canteen, Chris, if you get too close
to them.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now, the thing about both moose and buffalo, from what
I understand, Niece, Yeah, they're kind of stupid. Oh, yeah,
says they are. I've always heard they're kind of dumb animals.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I wouldn't tell them that they look very mean. I
would not tell them layer's dumb. I always say you
are the smartest animal in the world. Sir, you are nice.
And I am sorry for throwing that snowball. I don't
know what I was thinking. So what you get out
if you ever get out of the car? Oh, I
never got out of the car, like the bait. When
you know the car you just see, that'll tell you
whether that bad moods or that bad buffalo is in
a bad mood.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So we thought it'd be fun today to hear your
wildlife encounters.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yes, I want to hear how people have interacted with
the wild buffalo or moose or anything. I just want
to hear how all that's worked out. Was anyone naive
like I was, you know, just maybe just young and dumb,
didn't really.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Know the trouble they were getting.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Themselves into and didn't really And even even if it
doesn't go bad, if you know it, if you know that,
that's a very dangerous situation and the person got through
it and nothing happened, you look at a person go, well,
if you keep doing that, it's going to catch up
to you. You're not You're not long for this world
if you keep acting that way. I luckily didn't go
back to know that what I was doing at the
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buffalo were highly dangerous. I had no idea yea.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Wait a minute, Era tells
me we've got a talk back. Let me cue this
up real fast, guys, have you got it all? Play
this talk about here? Right from one of our great
listeners about their wildlife encounters.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
I didn't think about this earlier. But it's a bison,
not a buffalo. We are miss specieing the species.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's right, yes, okay, what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
That side mis.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Gendering like miss general or it's like cultural appropriation. We
were we were calling a buffalo, it's a bison.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, what's the difference, you're asking, Do you know what's
the difference? Is there anything a buffalo?
Speaker 11 (39:39):
Yeah, if you if you look it up technically, what
we have in the United States, which we call buffalo,
our our American bison, but they're not buffalo. Buffaloes are
more like like the water buffalo as you see an act.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Okay, okay, so we call it a bison. It's a
We all call them buffalo, but they're actually by side.
I didn't know that, all right, Your phone calls eight
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(40:11):
Radio AP You're crazy. Stories coming up next on the
Rod and Greg Show, Yellowstone Viszero attacked by a bison.
The man's name, by the way, Greg is Carl McDaniel,
a Boffel grandfather attacked by the agitated beast at the
Bridge Bay Campground near Yellowstone Lake at around eight thirty
Friday evening. Once the bison caught up to McDaniel, it
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cooked the grandpa with one of its horns and aggressively
threw into the air. That's putting out.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
A good listener sent a link to a story about this,
and you get these still shots of the grandpa and
that that black white beard must go down to his
belly button. It's a long overalls on got the grand
kid with him. We're in Dolphins Jersey too. I don't
know who that which Dolphins player that is, but anyway,
and then it shows him hauling, just running, and then the
(41:03):
next scrystill shut is him in the air, straight up
in the air.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
It is the Arvis Landry Jersey, by the way, So
I wish the buffalo would have got her.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right, let's go to the phones and get your
reaction to this. Frankens in Salt Lake City sharing his
story with the Routing Gregg Show. Hi Frank, how are you?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh good? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (41:23):
The biggest takeaway I got from the story was the
comment by a forest ranger at the bottom. He said,
watch the tail. If the tail is down, he's chill.
If it's up, scattered and if you look at him
coming up off that little roll beside the picnic table, man,
his tail is up and it was vibrating. At that point,
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everybody was in one hundred yards scattered.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So the advice is to look at the tail, right, Frank.
If it's down, you're okay. If it's up, get out
of the way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (41:55):
Look at the video, you know, and look at that tale.
I mean, it was a big giveaway for anybody that
knew what to look for.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh, thank you, Frank, that's good advice.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Scott, it's open Star Valley, Wyoming. Listening to Rod and
Greg today, Scott, what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Wow?
Speaker 13 (42:16):
I had some good experiences.
Speaker 14 (42:18):
So I went up fishing in the last with someboddies
and on the Russian River you stand about five feet
apart from each other for miles, and on the other side,
this moose came down from the hill cross forded the
river came by and I just stuck my hand out
and let it.
Speaker 15 (42:33):
I petted it as it walked by. And so that
was my first encounter with the moose.
Speaker 16 (42:37):
But then I moved from the state that shall not
be named and went to the went to Wyoming, and
our first winter there. I had got the kids off
the school. I'm standing on the balcony and it's snowing
and it's beautiful, and I see this bullet moose walk
down the road, so I barn quick, get my camera,
run across the street. It's in my neighbor's hyre, drinking
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out of the bird baths. I'm taking pictures.
Speaker 14 (43:00):
And then I.
Speaker 16 (43:01):
Started petting at tind quarter, you know, because I had
that very.
Speaker 17 (43:06):
Easy experience before.
Speaker 16 (43:08):
Well, get turned around so slowly with its head and
looked at me with that little BEADI and I could
hear it in my mind say, get the heck away
from me. So two days later I was having lunch
with our senator and I had told him the story,
and he said, you petted on what? And that was
(43:28):
when I found out the very dangerous animal.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
They could kill you.
Speaker 17 (43:32):
So that's my story.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, wow, what a story that is. I wouldn't be
pet no.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Most so look I would be doing at least so far.
I wasn't completely out of bounds. Some people, if they
see the animals and they looked docile, it may flure
you in actually pet them, or be close, way closer
than what this poor gentleman was by the way, I
just watched the video. Yeah, that tail isn't straight out,
it's all Pa, that tail is something fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Ryan is there tonight listening to Rod and Greg. Ryan,
tell us your story. Good evening.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
So when I was in high school for the three summers,
I was a Maribouh chancellor at a boy Scout camp
and there was a mama bus I'd given birth to
a baby. And there are three to four hundred scouts
in that camp.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Every week.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
We had a lot of encounters, but thankfully nothing ever
resulted in an injury.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, don't don't get between mom and the I wonder
if if he was worried, you know, I would be
would you?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, I would cause.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Young boys do stupid things.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well like and I'm like, I'm like renaissance Greg. Now
I'm like, I'm like the softer, gentler Greg. So I
you know, I I wouldn't wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Condone what younger Greg was was doing with the you know,
getting near these animals.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Now, I just think, yes.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, we got a lot of callers, Dan Don Garth,
Mary Jim our callers as well on our talk back line.
Hang on we'll take a break and come back. We
want to hear your stories please on The Rod and
Gregg Show and Talk Radio one O five to nine.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Canna at It seems like people's interaction with the wild
comes in a lot of different versions. That that young turkey,
you know, the child, the adolescence of the mom and
dad turkey, that the befriend of the family guarding the
mailbox from the mailman. I would love to see that
daily routine of the mailmates, like a great, crazy little
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turkey coming after me I try to drop the mail
that'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That would be Let's go back to our calls. We
go to Battleful with Don tonight. Don, Welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Yeah, my uncle back in nineteen fifty five was in
the Yellowstone Park and he got out of the car
when everybody stopped, got out in the middle of the
road and was taking a picture of a bear. The
bear looked up and signed, and because he's looking through
the camera, he thought the bear was quite a ways away,
and the bear came out across, knocking down the middle
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of the road, took a bite on his chest, and
then across and found out that the cub was on
the other side of the road, and I didn't my dad.
My dad showed me it went to my uncle about
nineteen fifty eight, and my dad says, told my uncle
(46:21):
to show me this scar. And he pulled down his
shirt and he had his teeth marks just on the
bottom party's chests, on after party's chests were the beard
knocking down and took a big bite, counting and it
was it was when I saw that I and he
just received stitches, but he he survived that. So I
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have to be careful with theirs.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yep, you sure don't.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I tell you what I appreciated today. Survived that. Can
you say, take a big bite of his chest? That
doesn't that sounds like a mortal wound.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Do not get between MoMA and her coupies. And this
man didn't mean you know that's going on wild? All right,
Let's go to sam Pete County Gym. Is there tonight
listening to the Rod and Greg show. Jim, how are you?
Thanks for listening?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Great?
Speaker 13 (47:10):
And I've got a story about the wild pigs and
the buffalo On Catalina Island off southern California, we were
camping at the fourth of July Harbor campground and uh,
we hung our food up high to keep the pigs,
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you know, away from finding the food. But the middle
of the night we walked out from the sound of
the ground, kind of movie.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I stuck my head.
Speaker 13 (47:44):
Out of the tent and there were the giant buffalo
a herd, just walking through the campground. I mean, if
they had stepped on the tent, they would have you know,
it would have been nothing for him. And yeah, how
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they missed? Yes, I have no clue.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Wow, Wow, what a story that I didn't realize. They
have buffalo on Catalina Island. Wow, everyone out there, here's
a nice place. Not now how long.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Ago that happened. But I'm not going to a bunch
of buffalos you're running through your camp anytime.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You have big chicken. Way, let's go to Mary and Orham. Hi, Mary,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 15 (48:27):
Hi?
Speaker 18 (48:28):
Back in nineteen fifty six, my mom and her boyfriend
took her a picnic a Provo canyon, I think if
it Rock Canyon. They went to a secluded area and
the boyfriend said, why don't you take the dog for
a hike from that hill over there? Because they wanted
to have some alone time, I guess, And we walked
up to the hill and we got on the trail
and there was a ridge right above the trail and
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a big, huge cougar jumped down right in front of this.
So the dog and I and the cougar we all
just did there frozen for like an a few seconds,
and then the dogs started taking off after the cougar.
But I had my arm wrapped around in the leash,
and he took off and he pulled me behind him
since I was only six years old, like my legs
in like a cartoon flying behind me. Finally I got
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it loose and he didn't come back for an hour,
but he saved my life.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
That would be a really good cougar.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Wow, I love I appreciate that story. I saw. There
was a few years ago where someone caught a cougar
on a trail and they had their camera and it
was they were really staring each other down. No one
wanted to make a sudden move because they know what
the cougar would do. It was it looked terrified. I
never heard of this. Era shared this with us. Do
you know cougars and mountain lines have a scream, and
he says, so when you hear a scream, get out
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of there. Yeah, it sounds like, yeah, this is here,
I scream. I knew nothing of this, all right, this
kind of screw it.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
That sounds like you're That sounds like you're teasing your.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Little Wow, that's here. You hear that in the middle
of the night, a little wild man. I heard that
sitting under a tree. Tricky hunting. Oh geez, how what'd
you do?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I got the hell out of idea? You were smart?
He was smart. All right, let's go back.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
To the story. Okay, let's go to Garth, who's been
patiently waiting from Highland. Garth, thank you for holding and
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Hi.
Speaker 19 (50:24):
Yeah, we've got a yellow Stones story about bison too.
Back in the mid eighties, we went Kent camping with
four little kids and pulled into a campground and there
was only one site left. Didn't know why it was
just the only one left. That we found out there
was a tree in the middle of it that had
a bunch of funny looking black and brown moss on it,
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and we tied our tent off to it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And went to sleep.
Speaker 19 (50:47):
Next morning, the whole tent is shaping, shaking around, and
we get out and here's bison's using that tree as
a scratching post, and half the campground was gathered around
looking at it. And some guy walked up in the bathroobe,
got right in the face of the bison and took
a flash picture, and it took off after him, and.
Speaker 15 (51:05):
He was running down the street. His robe was flying
out behind.
Speaker 19 (51:08):
Him and he had nothing on underable screaking through the campground.
Speaker 15 (51:12):
The so he finally but the bison went out.
Speaker 19 (51:17):
Of our campground then, so we were happy. So he
didn't catch him, though, Oh that.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Was a great story. I don't know what was behind
underneath that robe, if that was if that's things you
can unsee, but yeah, that's a that's a great.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
What is worth seeing the buffalo or the bison or
the naked guy?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I know that would be I would be. Children aren't
scarred for them. But here's the deal. It's just so
it seems so hit and miss that at one point
they're just looking at you like they don't care. Next thing,
they're high talent. You said that they can run up
to what thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thirty five miles per hour and way up to two
thousand pounds.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Does Hussein is what's his name, Hussein Bolt, the guy
that was like the fastest man, the world runner. How
fast does he run? I don't think he runs thirty five?
I don't know, man, I don't think so he can
out run that.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, a lot more of your calls. We'll get
to your talk about comments as well. We're talking about
your encounters with wildlife in relationship to what happened to
this man up in Yellowstone late Friday night. He got
tossed eight feet into the air by a very agitated
buffalo or bison. That's coming up on the Rodding Gregg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can
arrests too. Let's go back to this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Let's get back to the phones. Dan and Kaysville. You've
been waiting, you've been holding. Thank you for holding. Welcome
to the Riding Greg Show.
Speaker 7 (52:27):
Hi, guys, can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
So, yeah, that video got in my eye. I'm a
fellow grandpa and him going up in the air ten
feet if he lands on his head, it's an end.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
Of life story.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
But anyway.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
So, so my story is from forty years ago. I'm
out elk hunting up Logan Canyon Blacksmith Fork a bunch
of friends, and it's getting dark and I'm starting to
head down the mountain and I'm on a narrow trail.
It's a moonless night. I can barely see the trail
and it's a it's at them of the of a
big hill and a creek right on.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
The other side.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
So it's just this narrow path and I'm just barely
making out my path and a suddenly I noticed, I
feel like something's ahead of me, and I stop and
I look and I look, and finally I make it out.
About twenty feet in front of me is a bull
moose facing right at me.
Speaker 15 (53:23):
And what's that?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
What happened next?
Speaker 7 (53:31):
A big bull moose. I have a three hundred Winchester
Mark mag but I don't have a tag, and I
know if I shoot it, i'd be dead anyway, he
would just.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Found me into a dirt.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
But I don't know what to do because if I
turn or you know, go away, he'll probably charge me.
And so I'm doing the mental arithmetic for a minute,
and I think I can't I got to get past
this guy to get back to my car and get
back to camp. And I finally reached down and I
pick up a rock, and by the way, I'm close
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enough that I'm looking up at this thing, you know,
nine feet at the shoulder, twenty twenty five feet away,
and I throw a rock and hit it in the
chest and it doesn't do anything. I do it again,
and at this time it kind of bobs its head,
and I think, oh shoot. But God was looking over
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me because that moose, that bull moose backed into the
creek in the willows there, and I waited a few minutes,
and I thought, well, can I get past him? I
can't see him now, and so I slowly went down
went that trail those additional twenty feet and I looked
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to the left and I could see it standing in
the creek in those willows, and I just slowly went
past got back to camp and figured that I had survived.
That's the only time I been scared in my last well.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I would have gone back to camp and fainted.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Hats off that he didn't. I'd have run. That probably
would have got that thing chasing me too. I wouldn't
want to walk all cool by.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, let's get to uh, let's get to one of
our talkback messages and then we'll get to more of
your callers. How's that up, all right? Here's one of
our talkback comments.
Speaker 20 (55:19):
Well, as a young scout, I was out scouting and
we found a pond, and when we approached the pond,
we spooked a big moose from a distance.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
The moose didn't look too big.
Speaker 20 (55:31):
But a scared us.
Speaker 16 (55:32):
All.
Speaker 20 (55:33):
I'd be in the fastest scout, the first to get away.
On the first point of refuge I found was a
picnic table, to which I hit on top of.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
The rest of the scouts hit under the table.
Speaker 20 (55:44):
Charging bulls stopped short of killing me.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
I think I was on top of the table.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Wow, Should we go to a color we run.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
We're a little tight on time and we want to
give these colors plenty of time to make a comment.
So if you'd like to hang on the line, call
bag and hang on the line, or call us back world,
pick more of your stories up, because these are amazing.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You're great. Like again, I feel so much better. A
lot of our listeners have had experiences with these wild
animals and and it doesn't all go as scripted. It's
all kind of out. There's very different. I might not
be so bad. I just thought maybe I was just
too careless or too reckless. I might I might fall
within this natural instinct to just think that they're not
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gonna chase me.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
You were just stupid. Well maybe that's snowballs at a
buffalo or a bike.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
No, he didn't. I honestly, I didn't even know if
he could feel it. He just didn't seem to be
the first one movie finally looked over at me.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, probably could.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
I was just trying to say, Hi, you.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Know, they're mad because we kind of wiped them out.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Apparently they had something on their mind, at least that
one I saw this weekend. That video.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
All right, more of your calls come in sins. We
talk about your encounters with wildlife, and now our number
three in the Rotting Greg Show.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Not everybody knows exactly how to handle wildlife. Wildlife or
they get confronted with it and they didn't know it
was coming. My big What this armed me is, I
had no idea. You go to Yellowstone National Park and
in your campground there's just some buffalo hanging out, and
it's like they just said, well, they looked from afar
get out the binociars. If you look at that little
speck on the on the that's a buffalo. No, it's
not like everywhere. They're right there, right there. And so
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I'm like, well, they're clearly domesticated. They just want to
hang out with them.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's probably warm up there, that's one thing. And this
is mating season that's another.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, well I wasn't there a meeting season because I
saw that that poor man was one hundred yards away
and that thing went after him. I was way way
closer than that, and I was You're lucky to get
his attention. I just want to say, Hi, we're.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Getting your wildlife stories right now. Eight eight eight five
eight year old one zero Back to the phone.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, let's go to Mark, who's been patiently waiting. Mark,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 17 (57:52):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. This isn't exactly a wild animal. But
I worked for my father in law on the farm
for about thirty four years and we had calf that
can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yes?
Speaker 17 (58:04):
Go ahead, Oh okay. We had some calves that we
had moved off from their mothers, and it was after harvest.
We put a big four strand barbed wire fence around
a field, left a little opening for them to all
go through. Decided to push them all through, and we
had about a nine hundred pound calf that said, I
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ain't going through that and took off. Unfortunately, my father
in law farmed on a airport and so the calf
ran out onto the runway, which, as you probably know,
they don't have great traction. My father in law took
off and is Ford F one fifty chasing the calf.
Calf decided to turn. It slipped, got hit by the
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F one fifty, got up and its eyeballs basically rolled
over red and it took back across the field right
at me.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Oh no, here comes.
Speaker 17 (58:55):
My father hind it and it looked like a Ford
suspension commercial.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Here.
Speaker 17 (59:00):
I was a big powerlifter from the University of X
and this calf hit me. I stuck my arms out, collapsed,
hooked me under my rib cage, and all I saw
was sky calf, ground corn craft.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Ground calf. I thought, well, I'll.
Speaker 17 (59:17):
Just get up and run, but the calf was faster
than me, and I'm sitting in a corn row and
it came at me. I put my feet on its
head and it started to push me down the corn row,
filling up the back of my pants with mud. And
my father in law caught up the truck, and the
calf remembered it lost to the truck, so it took
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off and didn't go to the opening that we had
just done. It decided to go through the fence and
break all four strands of the wire we had just
put up. Wow, every time that calf saw that that
pickup truck on the farm till the day we sold it,
its eyes would go wide open, its tail would stand up,
and it just snored around in the pin. So that
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was my experience.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
That's a heck of a story.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
But is amazing that. I'm so glad he held on
because that because that story, that is something else. That
thing comes at him, and that's if he's a powerlifter.
That's not a young that's not a that's not a
stack of dime mug, that's not some kid wearing skinny jeans.
That cat's coming at You know, that guy had some
had some lbs behind him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Ye, he had some post a story. All right, let's
go to a pharmingten and here from a Cliff tonight
here on the Rodin Greg Show. High Cliff, how are you?
Speaker 15 (01:00:33):
I'm fine, Thanks for picking up the I didn't have
to go far to run into a universe animals.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It was at the zoo, a Hoble Zoo.
Speaker 15 (01:00:47):
We just walked in. There's some outdoor primate exhibit straight ahead,
and I went over to the thick plexa glass and
started making uh patients at this uh don't male gorilla
and he and he didn't like what he was saying,
and he got up from the stump he was sitting on,
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picked it up, ran about ten feet over towards me,
and then hurled the stump all the plexa glass and
hit the glass, and I took off by crazy. The
gorilla didn't follow me down the plexa glass, or I
would have had to change my shorts.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Oh my gosh, Cliff, I gotta tell you I've been
I love I love gorillas. And I went to Hogal
Zoo once and they said those silverbacks, the ones that
are like the head Hauncho, the one the guy that's
running running the show. They told me that the people
Zeus said don't make eye contact. They don't like to
be eyeballed. If you eyeball them, they get mad. So
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that's that's actually a thing with those gorillas that they
get mad like that.
Speaker 15 (01:01:53):
Wow, I'm balding man. You're right, he didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I did, so he did not like it. All right.
In West Valley, we're talking with Steve on the Rod
and Greg Show tonight. Hi Steve, Hi, how are you great? Well?
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Good well?
Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
Hunting hunting elk and down in.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Fair View.
Speaker 17 (01:02:24):
Uh.
Speaker 21 (01:02:25):
I was up there when I was younger and we're
hunting and some guy got attacked by cougar and and
now I was in the same canyon he was, and
that thing chased me, followed me for seven hours.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
How did you know?
Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I didn't want to kill it?
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Did you see it?
Speaker 22 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He was close.
Speaker 21 (01:02:50):
He was close, he was on me. He was on me,
and I was like, no, man, I'm getting to do
and I don't want to kill him. So I shot
him shots at him and he went away. But I
had to hunt the whole way back to the camp
with that thing on my tail, and he would yeah
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and you could hear him and the little man. I
got pictures of him, and it took me like nine
hours to make it back to camp and finally get
that that that guy away from me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
You were scary, you were the prey.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
You were you were going, you went hunting, and you
became the hunted. Did you ever hunt again? Like that
would be it for me? I think I'd be done
after being hunted for nine hours?
Speaker 12 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
I hiked in long Ways in the morning it was
bright and early four o'clock and had a flashlight on
the trail and ran into it early and he was
on me, and I was like, no, this thing happening.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
With you all day a story. It is something else.
I love these stories. Great, They're great. Okay, let's go
to Wendy in Salt Lake County. Wendy, Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 23 (01:04:07):
Geez, what's what's all these moose stories too? They'd no kidding,
And I'll tell you what. So nineteen seventy four, I
just almost turned thirteen, and my mother and my grandmother
and my two sisters went up to Yellowstone and we
got into cabin and I were undoing things and I
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walk over to the window and I'm like, mom, look
there's a mommy moose and a baby, just like, oh,
you know, really, oh, the mother did not like that,
and the baby charged the window.
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Oh really, the baby did.
Speaker 23 (01:04:42):
The baby did because the baby was getting old enough,
like he could just do his own thing. But scared
the Begbi's good thing. There was a screen on the window,
but I think I heard it crack.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That was not fun.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No, No, that would that would that would certainly scare me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
When did that? You're lucky that the mom didn't come
have the baby's back instead coming with me.
Speaker 23 (01:05:02):
That's what I was thinking. My mom goes, what are
you doing? Teenager?
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, that's the teenage it is. That's what they call it. Teenagers.
Just don't think, right, mister Hughes.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I wasn't. I'd like to say I was a teenager,
but I was a little older than teen. I was
in my early twenties. But decide the point.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah, throwing throwing snowballs.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
At a bi, Yes, And he didn't seem to mind.
I actually thought I would have up until this weekend
when I saw a video. I would have thought that
he barely felt it. It was like a little yeah,
barely felt the thing, Like he didn't even know I
was there. But apparently you could take a picture from
one hundred yards and you can make him really mad.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I've seen you throw No wonder it didn't hurt. Please
John is West Georgian. John, How are you? How are
you John?
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I'm good, I'm good. How are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
So I was went over.
Speaker 24 (01:05:53):
To a friend's house and they live up in Woodland Hills,
which is kind of upon the bench by Spanish fork. Yes, yeah,
And I was sound asleep, had the window opened a
little bit, sound asleep, and then all of a sudden
I heard the roar of the mountain lion, like right
out the window.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I was standing.
Speaker 24 (01:06:12):
Straight up, didn't know where the where it was.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I'm thinking, where's the gun, where's the mountain lion?
Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
Is it in the house?
Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
And is outside the house?
Speaker 24 (01:06:19):
I was like still disoriented to be asleep.
Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
And then finally I could hear it.
Speaker 24 (01:06:25):
Kind of going away, and then it said my heart
was just pounding, just pounding.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
So it was like, holy crap.
Speaker 24 (01:06:32):
So I went from a dead sleep to it to
like fight or flight.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I'm thinking the Mountain's coming through the window.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Oh that would be terrifying.
Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, no, no, thank you. On that one.
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You know, it begs the question when you go through
something like that, do you still go out and hunt?
Do you still once you've found yourself the prey, once
you found out that you know the one.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Like the guy for hours nine hours on.
Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
The he was fleeing for nine hours, I would be
done with that. That would be I want to be
doing that anymore. Not when we find out you might
not be at the top of the food chain like
you thought you were.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Uh uh uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Let's go to Marcia in provo tonight on the Rod
and Greg Show. Hey, Marcia, how are you?
Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
Oh?
Speaker 22 (01:07:14):
I'm okay?
Speaker 25 (01:07:14):
Today that I was on Mountam. It is up on
Mountam and it's up above the Mere Woods by San Francisco.
It's across the day from San Francisco. And I was
taking two Czechoslovakian students on a tour up the mountain.
And we get about halfway up the mountain and suddenly
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there's a mountain lion up above us, maybe oh twenty
three or so. They could easily jump on us from
that distance. And I don't know anything about mountain lions, okay.
And then a little old couples coming towards us, and
they were running, and I said, don't run.
Speaker 22 (01:07:49):
I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 25 (01:07:50):
But I said that, and then I'm like.
Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
We gotta do something just gonna kill us.
Speaker 25 (01:07:54):
And I said, everybody, pick up, pick up a big
long stick. There's a bunch of sticks around here, pick
big branches and pulled them up over your head to
look like a moose. So we held our sticks up
and I said, I'm gonna yell at this cat. I'm
gonna scold it. So I yelled at it like I
would scold my dog, because it's an animal, you know.
And so I said, you're a bad, bad kiddy. You
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go back home your money. You're so bad. I'm scared
of the darn sick are you?
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Marcia? You're a hero, Martian. This is the smartest thing
I've ever heard. You get the sticks over your head
like you're you yell at it.
Speaker 25 (01:08:30):
I just kind of stood, but I did not know
what I was. I just was all instinct.
Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
It was pure instinct.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Oh I love.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
The greater your instinct worked, Marsia. Marsha, She got stick,
held him over her head like a moose and said, bad.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Bad cat, bad candy, go home, you bad kiddy. So
the only thing I can compare that to is when
I was when I was on my mission. I was
halfway through a very large yard when a rottweiler came
running at me full speed. Yes, and I could not
outrun it. So I just kind of what Marsha just said.
But I was doing it the other and going nice
but usual, your good doggie, and I just started talking
(01:09:06):
like that, and the dog came up and licked me,
and he started spinning around, and he thought I was
a friend because I was just praising him. That's all
I need to do. I just thought I'm dead. I'm
gonna be eaten by him otherwise. But Marshall, how smart
was that?
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Mountain lions, man, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I know the president of mine started yelling at a
mountain lion a bad kiddie, go home.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
We gotta hang out with Marshamore.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
She does what she's doing, all right, Moore coming up
the Rody and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine, can.
Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Arrest two fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I remember several years ago we we uh went up
to Powder Mountain, which is way up in uh in
Weaver County, up in the mountains up there. One day
and We're coming down with me, and I think I
had one of my sons with with us. We're driving
down to get something to eat or groceries or whatever,
and right in front of us pops up this big
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moose and it was a big moose, right, yeah, and
it just stopped in the middle of the road. We stopped,
of course too, and it just stopped and looked at
us and went on. It was fine, Yeah, it was
Finally we didn't we didn't do like you do try
to antagonize it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
It wasn't antagonized. Yeah, but I was trying to get
his attention.
Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I wasn't trying to harm him. I just he looked
very big. He didn't look like a snowball hurt him,
but he wouldn't look over and he was so close.
I thought, hey, yeah, because I wasn't gonna get that.
I wasn't get arms length, but I wanted to what
do you want to do? I want to say, hi, Yeah,
you know, you just want to run behind the ears
They look like they want to pedal. I wasn't going
to pet them, but I did throw the snowballs to
try and get his attention. Didn't register first, and finally
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I got this very slow head turn looking at me.
Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
One of the best tips we got today, look at
their tail. That is their tail is.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So I went back to the video to watch it
is that tail, says business man. That tail is not
just flopping around like that tail is wagging and then
go straight up. The other thing that we heard, which
was a common denominator here, is that you got to
walk not run. Yeah, try that when the adrenaline's going
the fight or flights not you know, fight or walk. Okay,
flight means you get out of there. I had to
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walk out of there and keep your cool, man, I
tell you, there were so many of these stories are
just amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Well, my little grandson years ago when it was his
first young men's camp. Yes, okay, so he's going to
camp and I think they were up in Jackson Hole
or something up in that area. But they were hiking
with a friend of mine and they came across a bear.
Now they slowly backed the way from the bear and
went back to camp. Right, But he earned the nickname
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of bear bait for the entire camp. And you know what,
it was good because they kind of endeared him to
the younger, older guys and They refer to him for
the rest of the camp and still do today. Occasionally
they'll go, hey, bear Bait, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I'm actually surprised the roommate that I had at the time,
he's a listener to the show. I'm surprised that he
hasn't called in because he always marveled at where he
thought I was. It wasn't my good choices. I was
necessarily making no at the time, but I thought he
might hear it and want to confirm that in fact,
you know, Greg Hughes back then might have been a
(01:12:14):
little bit reckless. You know, this is again I'm I
am renaissance Greg. I am the counter gentler, Greg. This
is a this is a much restless, very mature, very
you know, very responsible.
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Here shall we tell the story wasn't happened to era?
That has nothing to do with the wild It doesn't,
but it is a hilarious story. Go ahead, me knock
him out. You just to me all the time. Well,
he he came in today and told us he ordered
some filters for his fish stink. Yes, normally, yeah, hiss aquarium,
And normally they come in not a large package. But
(01:12:49):
he knows what they are, right, well, when he went
to pick up the package this time it was larger. Yes,
and he's going, what is this? So he help us
up the package. There were twelve twelve bottles of estrogen.
Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
So the moral of the story is someone thinks that
our producer wants to transition?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What's going on here?
Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
You know what it meant over the weekend, But that
was an interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
What's he supposed to do with that package? He wasn't
really sure.
Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No, he sent it back.
Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I believe, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
We hope he's not using it, but maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
You know, we don't know if you're asking right when
he's not here to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
So well, yeah, tomorrow, I didn't want to ask me
come through the walls and beat me up. But I
think that was a hilarious story because he was laughing
at it.
Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
He was, he really was. It was all in good fun.
Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Twelve twelve bottles of estrogen pills.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Perfect? Yeah, right, nothing, yeah, all right, more coming up.
We may get serious when we come back. You never
know on this show.
Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Time to be serious. But that thank you, folks for
your participation. That was at a lot of great stories.
Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I love it that Love It All Night, The Rod
and Greg Joe roll along on this Monday evening in
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k NRS that
the Straight of Horror moves, they're calling it a game changer,
and he's given me to bad news. Who any anyone
who's hoping to transit debt for free no longer They're
going to be charged something twenty percent of something to
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go through the Straight of Horror moves. I thought that
was an international waterway that wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
So we can add this to the list of things
that are said that I don't understand because I listened
to what was said prior and then I listened to
what being said now and nothing's consistent on whether it's
they have no navy, they've created a blockade, maybe they're
dropping drones, maybe they've got some rowboats. I don't know
what's going on. But the most the latest contradiction for me,
and I'm not being critical, I'm just confused. And that
(01:14:40):
is I was told when when I ran announced that
they were going to start charging fees for people to
reuse the Straight of Horror moves. I thought I heard
Secretary of State Mark Rubio and the President say those
are international waters which are not subject to anyone's fees
to traverse that straight. So but if that's the case,
wouldn't the United States being the same pun intended, same
(01:15:05):
boat that they can't charge fees if they're saying that
Iran was not in a position to charge fees assess
fees in international waters. Now, you know, how what's the
big the guns? I guess you know, I states, it's
big enough to make whatever rules I guess they want
when they want to make it. But I think consistently,
if you're saying that international waters cannot be you can't.
(01:15:26):
You can't put assess fines. And I don't know how
we're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Well, we'll have to see. Well joining us on our
news maker line to talk about the latest move by
the president and is it time for him to kind
of reset the war for the American people? He is,
Peter laughing, Senior editor of the Washington Examiner. What do
you mean, Peter, when you say it's time to kind
of reacht what's going on in Iran with the American people.
Speaker 22 (01:15:47):
Well, I think it's the right thing to do. I
think it's the right thing to be aggressive. I don't
know that a fee will hold up, and like a
lot of things, Trump says, I don't know if the
intention is for it to hold up or if he's
simply pressing his leverage as far as he can to
improve the United States' position here. But I think the
Iranian regime needs to be deposed, and I think that
(01:16:11):
was now the late Senator Lindsay Graham's genius simple insight
into all of this is that peace in the Middle
East and in the larger world is not possible with
this hostile, theocratic death cult with its hands on the
lever of power, and so we need to do everything
(01:16:33):
we possibly can to get them out. There's no negotiating
with these people, and there's there's no peaceful solution to
this problem, and so we need to continue pressing the
military option. I believe that, and you know today's news,
we're back on with a blockade and okay, games back on.
(01:16:54):
We're back in the game, and now hopefully we can
make something happen, because we would all like to see
a few future with a peaceful Middle East.
Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
You know, Peter, everything that I saw the administration doing
in this issue, in this conflict with Iran, be it
the ceasefires or the MOUs or whatever has happened. It
seemed that like mid August was really the drop dead
date to have this thing maybe buttoned up. And it
made sense to me because they have, you we have
the midterms coming and people look to Labor Day as
kind of the beginning of that campaign season. Do you
(01:17:22):
see with today's announcement or whatever's gone on the breaking
of the ceasefire last week, do you think that we
can get this under control in a way that prices stabilized,
the oil is stabilized in terms of price, people feel
like we've got this under control before the midterms.
Speaker 22 (01:17:40):
You know, it's impossible to know, but my instinct is
that no, we can't. And that goes to a problem
we've had in waging this war from the very beginning,
is that the Trump administration, while I believe it was
correct on the policy, never did the work of convincing
the people that this needed to be done. And if
we learned anything in the last fifty years of waging war,
(01:18:02):
it's impossible for the United States of America to win
a war without overwhelming public support. And as soon as
that public support starts to flag. The leaders in charge
can't do the things that are necessary to win wars.
Wars are messy, there are setbacks, They take a long time,
and if all of our decisions are merely political, we're
(01:18:23):
never going to be able to do what's necessary to
win a war. We have elections every year in this country,
even our off years, we have important elections, and it's
always a referendum on how the presidential administration is doing. Now,
under these conditions, you need to maintain a certain level
of public support for your war to be seen through
(01:18:44):
to its end, and the Trump administration never did what
was necessary to convince Americans that this was necessary. Now,
I believe this war was necessary and it remains necessary
because fundamentally, a nuclear Iran is a strategic and moral catastrophe.
Now you think that that should go without saying that
(01:19:05):
we need to keep a brand from not having nuclear weapon.
But I don't think the case was ever made to
the American people why it's so urgent that we not
allowed this crazy regime to get a new clear weapon.
And I think if the people understood that, they would
back this war. And so I would like to see
this moment now Senator Graham's death, the restarting of the
(01:19:25):
conflict as a reset moment, a moment where the administration
can begin to really level with the American people about
why we need to do this. And you know, politically,
we just got to do our best. But the courageous thing,
the right thing, the wise thing, is to press this
case forward and depose you run, end regime.
Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
We're talking right now with Peter laughing with the Washington Examiner. Peter,
I want to ask you Donald Trump. And I think
most people recognize that Donald Trump is a pretty darn
good negotiator. But even today in his interviews this morning,
I think it was on Fox News, he basically said,
you know, the Iranians are bad negotiators, And how do
you deal with bad negotiators if you're trying to negotiate
a settlement to your beatle?
Speaker 22 (01:20:05):
Yeah, you know, that goes to a fundamental problem. There's
the reason we have this conflict to begin with, that
these people cannot negotiate in good faith. Now elsewhere, Donald
Trump has said, I think very accurately, that Iran never
wins wars, but they always win negotiations. And the reason
they win negotiations is because they're not telling the truth,
and nobody holds and nobody holds them to that standard
(01:20:27):
because they have total control over their people and they
don't care about the condition of their people. They don't
care if their people starve, they don't care if their
people don't have electricity, And those political conditions are actually
very optimal for winning negotiations. It's really hard to negotiate
if you're always telling the truth and you're always doing
things in an upright way that everybody in America agrees with.
(01:20:50):
It's very difficult for America to wage war under these conditions.
And it goes back to the more fundamental problem of
the whole thing is that if you can negotiate with
these people and they're theologically convinced that they need to
wipe Israel off the map, and they need to destroy
the great state in the United States, and they need
Islamic domination of the globe, what are you really negotiating with?
Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Now?
Speaker 22 (01:21:14):
Was the problem with the MoU For me. Once again,
we were led into this fable of an Iranian moderate,
you know, the fabled Iranian moderate who's going to spring
up from this stew of insanity. It's never going to happen.
It's a delusion, and so I'm happy to see US
press as forward.
Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
So you mentioned public support. I think back I wasn't
around during World War Two. I would imagine there was
a lot of support against Germany and Adolf Hitler and
the but the last of public support, at least that
I've tracked, would be post nine to eleven. But that
didn't really lend itself to a quick or easy war
or a victory. What does public support for a war
(01:21:55):
even look like? As you say it, I'm trying to
imagine an example, don't I can't think of one.
Speaker 22 (01:22:01):
No, it's a great question, and we can, I think,
make the same critique about how the Bush administration waged
the post nine to eleven wars. The rationale wasn't fully explained,
wasn't on solid evidence sometimes, and the effort to convince
people and to sustain their support simply wasn't made. There's
(01:22:21):
something really arrogant about the way we've been waging foreign
policy for the last twenty five years. And this goes
for both parties. Presidential administrations behaving as if, first of all,
they don't need to convince the public, and by way
of extension, they don't need to convince Congress. What drives
me crazy about this conflict is we have the truth
(01:22:45):
on our side. An Iranian nuclear weapon is a moral
and strategic catastrophe, and history would judge the people who
allowed a nuclear Ranian regime to happen so abominably. We
would rise up. The American people would rise up to
meet this moment. Americans are wise and moral. They just
(01:23:07):
need things explained to them. And if you think back
to the start of this conflict with a Ran back
in February, back in March, this case was not made.
Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Now.
Speaker 22 (01:23:18):
Some of that is by design. Donald Trump is great
with strategic ambiguity. He surprised them Venezuelans. He surprised the
Iranians a year and a half ago or a year
ago with Operation Midnight Hammer, and that worked out very
well for him. But this kind of sustained war is
much different than those very short term operations. This sustain
(01:23:40):
war requires public support because we've talked about there's always
an election around the corner, and we're at a point
now where I don't think the politics of this are
going to really work, not in time for the midterms,
certainly probably in time for twenty twenty eight, but not
in time for the midterms, and it's just the time
to just do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
On our news riker line, Peter Laughing. Peter, of course,
is a columnist with The Washington Examiner, Greg talking about
the plan for the president or the president should kind
of reset what he's doing in uh in Iran. I
think we have an idea. Now he's just done with
these guys. You know whoops Proce. You turn your microphone on.
You know you can do that over there.
Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
It's so much easier when you do.
Speaker 24 (01:24:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
No, I you know he's resetting because he's bombing the
daylights on him.
Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Well he's I think we're now three days of real bombing,
serious bombing, and I and I think that that's uh.
I think he has done. I don't know why you
wouldn't be done again. I always gave room for you
don't know what you don't know, but what we do
know is enough that I think he's being made to
look silly for the man who I think is one
of the great And I watch it on other fronts
where he is negotiating. Spain has them, you know, goes
(01:24:49):
after them in the morning. They're they're paying their fair
share of NATO by the evening. He does a phenomenal
job on many fronts. Iran is making him, is making
them look foolish, and I think he senses it. I
think that's why you're saying that he's done. He's absolutely
done with these people.
Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
All right, more coming up, final segment of the rod
in Greg Shouldren, Who's still?
Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I actually thought guess who was the cover band for
the Who? I was very confused. It was a very
confusing time.
Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Well, we're playing that because all this week we're going
to be giving away tickets to see the guests Who
in concert at the Maverick Center coming up on August fourteenth,
just about a month away.
Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
This is coming up, quick, folks at the mat of
Center August fourteenth. Two pairs of tickets. What's our color?
Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
That's good color? Number ten?
Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
I like it. Ten. Guess who the concerts at the
Maverick Center.
Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero.
Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
One eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one
zero is the number to call. If you are the
tenth caller and seller, you are the lucky winner.
Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
See and this is my area tickets, this is my era,
so I can relate to these guys. American Woman was
a very popular song and a big protest song right
during the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Yeah, you know, we're not just staring at me because
like Bloomer, because yeah, you know why. I'm just thinking
of all the things you boomers were all uptight about.
And I don't know how you're still not you. But
we weren't your generations protesting. We were saying that was wrong.
A lot of not you, but a lot of your
your ilk are still protesting over.
Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Where would you be today without the Boomers?
Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Well, I actually needed one to actually come into this world.
Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yes you.
Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Did.
Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
So I need a little bit of those wild chat
children to uh, you know, make me make a little
baby Greg run.
Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Uh guess who comes for tickets caller number ten right
now Maverick Center. I guess fourteenth will be giving away
tickets all week so you'll hear a little uh little
guests who I was impressed earlier today with Sons of
Legion and they, uh, what is it? The Red West
Festival ticket? That guy was good.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Boy that the voice say that Sons of Legion Sons
of is I actually had? And when Eerie played some
of the music I could hear the voice that it
was familiar. Uh does does the cover song for like
Phil Collins the Air in the Air Tonight in the
Brilliant from Miami Vice. Yeah, it's these are all I am.
There's a lot of great bands at the at the
(01:27:06):
Red West Festival, but that Soun's the legion. It's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Share what Bruce Mick Jagger told Bruce Springsteen over the weekend, Now,
shut up good. He said, you know, people come to
concerts to be entertained, not lecture. All right, that does
that for us tonight, Head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family. And that's great country at
the hours. We'll talk to you tomorrow at FO
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