The Rod and Greg Show: What you should know; Guns on Utah Campuses; Dems Affordability Ploy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, we want to quickly think first of all, the
Utah Travel Expo. We were out there Friday. That was
a lot of fun. Met a lot of great listeners
came up telling us how much they enjoyed the show,
had a little fun with him, and it was fun
on Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I will tell you that, ladies and gentlemen, those that
we met this you know while we were there, thank
you for stopping by and saying hello. It's a lot
of fun to meet our listeners.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
It is.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, it's just that that is just a great events,
great event.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And then Saturday we m seed the Utah Education Fits
All Scholarship program and it was a lot of fun.
And I tell you what, Derek Brown is an entertainer.
He's the Attorney General for the state. He gave a
keynote speech like I've never seen a keynote speech given.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
So I knew that he was a classical pianist. I
knew he was incredibly he's a musician and he's incredibly skilled.
And I've always known this and I've heard I've seen
him perform before, maybe just I don't know, just certain pieces.
But he gave a speech about school choice, about public policy,
but about school choice, and he narrated kind of his
growing up and his relationship with music and his music teacher,

(01:07):
and he would say, I was learning this complicated piece
and he played this, and there's kids in the audience,
this this big thing. This is a BMC have kids
any as many kids as we have parents that are
in attendance, and it's this very complicated piece. And I've
never seen him do this before. And I've known him
for years when he served in the House. But anyway,
he acts like he's asleep, so his eyes are shut,
his head's looking away from the keyboard, and he's playing

(01:28):
this incredible piece. And he said, I was bored. I
needed more. Anyway, he talks about how education kids learn
a different different ways, different paces, and he and Anyway,
I honestly thought to myself, Rod, I know that being
the Attorney General is incredibly important. I know this state
having a leader like Derek Brown to defend our laws

(01:49):
and even appear before the US Supreme Court with other
states on critical issues is really important. He could take
that show we watched Saturday on the road and he
would inspire a million kids their parents in education. It
was it was a beautiful Uh it was just a
beautiful keynote speech slash concert.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Our Senate, our state Senate Major Majority Leader Kirk Cullomore
is also an accomplished musician, and so a lot it was.
It was a pretty good show. That was That was
fun as well.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, that was a good time, and we appreciate Robin Bagley,
who's the executive director, inviting us to MC it again.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, it was a return events, so we didn't mess
it up the first time and we but you know,
I told them, I just confested at the end, I said,
I don't know if this was what was the goal here,
but I just feel lousy about myself. I don't have
any of these talents. You had these kids wires singing
like songbirds, You had all these kids telling their story,
their stories of how the scholarships helped them. All of

(02:47):
it sounds inspiring, and I just felt I just didn't
I didn't think I measured up.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, you did. It was fun. So we want to think, well,
we've got a lot to get today. Of course, we
don't talk about the Minnesota shooting here. In just a minute,
we're going to talk about the net work this network
that has been put together in Minnesota to fight the
efforts on the part of Ice and Border Patrol. We'll
get into that. We'll talk about the history of the
handgun that was used in this tragic shooting that took

(03:13):
place on Saturday. We'll talk about the protest culture out there,
and we'll talk about the Democrats and their affordability ploy
that they're playing on all of us. So as it
is each and every day, we have got lit a
lot to get to today, So let's get started right away. Greg,
I want to ask you a question. I asked you
this before the show started, giving you a little bit
of time to think about this. Taking into account what

(03:36):
is going on in Minnesota and Minneapolis right now. How
did this all get started?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
My answer is started with the George Floyd riots, which
I think were not spontaneous and happened nationally. I think
there was an organized element behind it. But if he
didn't believe that, if you go back to last spring
in twenty five the LA riots where they were actually
able to capture the delivery of supplies and they started
showing how while who was funding it. And this came

(04:01):
around the same time as Doge Elon Musk and Doge
were showing how this federal money was being funneled and
washed and laundered to these leftist organizations and that what
role they played in the La riots. Folks, I'm telling
you what, everything that you see in Minneapolis right now
is not homegrown. This is from This is a national network.

(04:22):
They are working very hard to create this kind of
fear and chaos for the purposes of stopping Ice in
its track. And if they are successful, I am convinced
that what you're seeing here will be the tool they
will use throughout the rest of this country to stop
laws from being enforced. It's been put it's been pointed
out that ninety nine percent you go to Texas, where

(04:44):
they're doing a lot more of this enforcement, the deportation,
the removals, you're not seeing the chaos you're seeing in Minneapolis.
Why because you have state, county, and local law enforcement
working with and cooperating with federal authorities to keep the peace,
to protect, to preserve public safety. That is the opposite
of what you have in Minnesota. You have that state

(05:05):
working at odds with and against federal law enforcement trying
to enforce laws, and they are doing that that chaos
you see is meant. It is designed to be that way.
It is meant to cause all the concern and the
and the you know, the chaos.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, now here's where I think it got started. When
Joe Biden was elected President of the United States and
opened up the border. That it is so typical, in
my opinion, Greg, of the Democrats creating a problem that
they knew was going to be a problem, right, and
then when we try and get in there and solve it,
knowing the mess that it has created, that you know,

(05:43):
we're now being called Nazis, gestapo people trying to enforce
the law. So I think it really started when Joe
Biden the floodgates. Remember official after official and the Biden administration,
we're telling us the border is secure, the border is secure,
the border is secure. We could see with our own
eyes that it was not secure, but they're lying to us.

(06:05):
No other border is secure. Don't worry about We've seen
the results of that, and that's why we are now
asking border patrol and ice being led by Donald Trump,
to fix this problem. So that's when this began, in
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
You're right, And if you ask yourself why does it
feel this way now? Well, first off, they they didn't
think anyone could ever unwind what they were able to
get away with for four consecutive years with an open
border without enforcing it, and they worked very hard to
make every state of border state in that they were
bussing and flying and settling with sadly tax paramoey that

(06:40):
these NGOs were putting them and planting, putting them all
over this country. Because most of the deportations, turn around,
the removals, whatever you want to call it, all centered
around border states, border counties, and so the proximity to
the border made that a more efficient process. They believed
in the four years they worked so tirelessly on this,
and the millions and millions that they put here illegally,

(07:01):
you would not be able to get you wouldn't be
able to reverse it. The two million self deportations. But
what you're seeing by them going after people with criminal records,
and yes, if you're in the car with a criminal
with a known criminal record that's on the laman here
illegally and you're illegal yourself, you're going to be deported
as well. But all of that, the extraordinary circumstances that
put us where we are today, have to be met

(07:22):
with extraordinary response from law enforcement. So if you see
ice on operations, we've not seen before. We've never lived
in this country with the challenges that we have that
we have now. In the past, even under Democrat administrations
of Obama and Clinton, you did not see what Biden
did for those four years. So you're not wrong there.

(07:42):
And by the way, the House impeached my orchis yes
for this, and the Senates that controlled the Senate, the
Democrats that controlled the Senate, refused to take up those
articles of impeachment. And it is the first time in
US history, unless the person had passed away, that the
Senate refused used to take up the articles of impeachment
from the House when they've impeached someone. And that goes unmentioned, unnoticed.

(08:07):
If I promise you, if the Democrat House impeached a
Republican and the Republican Senate refused to even take up
the impeachment.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
The sky would literally fall.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
The reaction would be its selective, but it would be
nothing but pure condemnation. And look, I would actually agree
with that because I think that the Democrats should or
I think the Democrats should have taken up those articles
of impeachment even if they didn't have the votes to try.
My orchis for the lies he was telling this country
that that border was absolutely safe, that there wasn't illegal crossings.
Why you can see, as you've pointed out, through multiple

(08:41):
media sources and site visits by elected officials and everybody else,
that that was nothing but pure chaos. Even sixty minutes,
who's no fan of Republicans, did a huge story about
the type of people, the people that were coming over
in mass who were unvetted and potentially very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well, what you'd like to say, you know, American for
a long long time, greg have felt that the border
crisis was based on what Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California.
But as you pointed out, every state became a border
state under what Joe Biden did, because not only did
they allow them to cross the border, and in many
cases using as you pointed out, our tax dollars, put
them on planes and ship them all over the country.

(09:19):
And now we're having to pay for this, And that's
why we need to understand where this all started and
the mess that we're having to clean up.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I'll tell you if you don't feel that Utah
is a border state, which I know a lot of
our listeners do understand this because of the calls that
have come in about the impacts to their lives, whether
it's public safety with the gangs, whether it's jobs, whether
it's housing, whether it's the schools and how they've been interrupted.
People know, But the media, local media, they'll say an
orm man, yeah, has been arrested for you know, gang

(09:49):
related activity. That's not an orm man. It is one
of these illegal immigrants that's come over from Venezuela or
somewhere else. We have a lot of under the radar
law enforcement activity going on to try and stem the
tide of these gangs. We have the Sonella cartels from Mexico,
but now you have the trende Aragua gangs from Venezuela
that are present in this state. And there are task
forces of city jurisdictions dealing with this in real time.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we've got a lot to get
to when we come back. The network behind these protests
in Minneapolis, wait till you hear this. That's all coming
up on the Monday afternoon edition of The Rod and
Greg Show. Great to be with you on Utah's Talk
Radio one o five to nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Cheaper than big box stores, blindster dot com.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Just everyday Americans who decide to go out on the
street and protest. Yeah, and if you think that, I
wonder about that.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
If that's what you're led to believe, and that is
what you're supposed to believe, ask yourself how often you
would have done or would do the things that you're
seeing done right now in terms of the interruption of
law enforcement, impeding law enforcement, trying to get in the way.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't think anyone listening to this show thinks that's
reasonable behavior. Yeah, So don't think that other people, normies
and everyday Americans think that's normal too. This is a
this is these are this is a different crew that
they've got out there doing what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Well, this is the same thing that Here's what's frightening
about this, greg is that the people in Minneapolis are
using the same tactics that Hamas uses against Israel. Basically,
what they do acts of violence. Then when authorities go
after them, what do they say? Victimhood and martyrdom.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's true, that is true.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's exactly the tactics that Hamas has used against Israel
over these.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Have you seen Rod over the weekend. Some people that
have been in the military, some that served in the
Middle East, others, they're saying that the tactics even used
of surveillance, of the signal chats, of telling people where
they're at, this this, you know, the way they're doing it,
that that's sophisticated. That reminds them of of what's that

(11:51):
what's the place in Somalia that this whole thing happens.
This reminds them of Mogadishu when the when they were
trapped and all these citizens are all being told where
they're at and what they're doing. Uh, there's a there
is a level of sophistication and the way they're communicating
with each other with their smartphones and their signal chats.
It's uh, this is not an organic you know, people

(12:12):
are just they just want to be heard. They're just
you know, they're just protesting oppression. No, that's not what's happening.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Not the case. Well, let's dig into this organization. Joining
us on our any Hour Newsmaker line right now is
Matt Margolis and author columnist at PGA media. What you
should know about the man who was killed on Saturday. Matt,
thanks for joining us. Let's take a look at the
network behind it. What's going on, Matt.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, you know, when you if you read all the
articles that have been put out there by the mainstream
media that's all about, uh, he was an ICU nurse
who is such a nice guy. All this stuff that
makes the sound of the you know, this innocent guy
who wouldn't hurt a fly, And and yet the truth
of the matter is is that this guy was part

(12:55):
of an organization that was there to just disrupt h
immigration enforcement, and that these people are trained, they they're
well organized, and if we lose sight of that fact
that it really distorts the picture, because you know, it's
just like what we saw happen with Renee Good. You know,
there was this concerned effort by the needia to claim

(13:17):
that she was just this, you know, this innocent mom
who had just dropped off her son at school and
just was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And it's and and they're doing that to make Ice
and Border Patrol just look bad and just think that
they're just they're just killing random US citizens and that's

(13:38):
just not what's happening.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I feel like it's the arsonists that are the good
guys and the firefighters are being painted as the bad
guys in this whole mess that's going on right now.
But talk about, uh, how we know there these are
arsonists that are that are engaging in this and really
cementing fear and even violence. Is it is it been
lost on anyone that you cannot have a loaded fire
arm and try to interrupt law enforcement of any level

(14:03):
and try to stop what they're doing, that that's never
going to go a very positive way. Why is that
narratives lost so broadly as we see what's happening in
Minneapolis this weekend.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
You know, I think the problem is is that the
left doesn't care that they know how to manipulate the public,
and that's what they're trying to do to them. It
doesn't matter. Like all of a sudden, these people have
become gun right activists and they're saying that, oh, well,
he's a legal gun gun owner and he had a
right to have it there, and it's like, well, you
know that. I mean that there's some nuance to that,

(14:39):
but the reality is is that if you are confronting
federal agents and you have a loaded gun. Not just
a loaded gun too, but he had two extra loaded
magazines with them.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean, that.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Doesn't sound like a guy who is just just there
to observe and and not cast. So this is a
guy who was there to potentially cause trouble. I mean.
And when you're part of a group that is there
to have strut and engage with federal officers and you
bring a gun, you're in a whole new level and
a lot of people are trying to pretendant that that's

(15:11):
not not the issue here. And uh, you know, there's
all these questions about whether he was disarmed yet or not.
I mean, you know, the other thing is that you
don't you don't bring a gun to a confrontation with
general law enforcement.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's just a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Matt, You're right about the news News Match reporter Cam Haigbee,
who really did some of some great digging into this
network that is set up. I mean, these guys are
very well organized, an amazing organization.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Oh yeah, I mean this is I mean a lot
of people are compared to like, you know, a resistance
group and answer insurrectionist movement. I mean that they they
are using code names, and they're and they're using uh
strategies for they got people with different tasks than they
using emojis, didn't know who is what task. I mean,

(16:03):
this is very sophisticated stuff on here, and it is
a large organization, I mean reportedly thousands of people. And
then and this is what uh, you know, our law
enforcement for the law enforcement people have to deal with
every single day, what's all they're trying to do is
get criminal legal immigrants. Uh, it's it's it's incarce right then.

(16:24):
I mean the guy that that that uh whether they
were going after when when Freddie was shot, was a
violent criminal, illegal alien. And it's it's really unfortunate for him,
for for the left to try to blur the line
between you know, who these immigrants are, and in the
end they find itself defending some of the worst of

(16:46):
the worst people. And and it just bogs my mind.
And and I can't imagine what it must feel like
to die, uh for for people who are who are criminals,
and we're talking about violent criminals, we're talking about you know,
sex sex criminals, And it just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So here's my fear. I think this is all as
you or as you've noted, it's an organized network, sophisticated tactics.
They're trying to create fear and even violence because that
tends to get people to stop. They get their way,
people will they can compel behavior that way. Well, it's
the because you have even members of the public that
are not really affiliated with ICE in any way that

(17:24):
are being stopped in their cars and searched and told
to leave certain areas that they're just again members of
the public trying to travel roads in America that are
being shut or being stopped. If this is as organized
as we as we know it is, how if this
worked in Minneapolis and there was a pause, how do
you think we could see because it is sophisticated, the

(17:45):
same uh tactics being used in cities around the United States.
Does it end in Minneapolis if they were to somehow
stop or does this does this do we get more
of it? If it's successful?

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Well, you know, you know, I think that the the
you know, the real thing that we need to see
is that, you know, we're not just seeing immigration enforcement
in blue cities and blue states. We're seeing it happening
in cities in like Florida and Texas and other red states,
yet we don't see this kind of chaos. So we
have to really look at what is causing this chaos.

(18:17):
And it comes down to the fact that we have
local political leaders in these blue states, and in Minnesota particularly,
we've got Governor Tim Walls and we got the Minneapolis
mayor Jacob Ray, and that they are the ones that
are telling people not that you know, that they've created
this sanctuary state, sanctuary city situation, and they are telling

(18:38):
law enforcement not to not to help them. They are
telling people that that the ice and Immigration format if
they are an occupying force. And so these people feel
they have a moral high ground and in the effect,
they're moral imperative to confront these people and to engage
with them and and to cause us violence. And you know,

(19:00):
that's the pom that that is the root of this problem.
That's the thing that a lot of people don't get on.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Our any hour Newsmaker line. That's when Margola is taking
a look at the very sophisticated network. It's pretty amazing,
Greg as to what's going on in Minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, it's disturbing, and we have to understand what we're
looking at because I think the American people are being
misled into thinking that, you know, the fear in the
in the violence is coming from the law enforcement, not
the the firefighters, not the arsonists, which is not the case.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, Moore, coming up the Monday afternoon edition of
The Rod and Gregg Show and Talk Rady on one
oh five nine. Okay, all right, boy, this is this
is a tough one to figure.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Out, Greg, Yeah, it is. It is in the details
this way. I think the moment you make a decision
to interrupt, impede, engage with law enforcement, nothing from that
point on is going to be happy or no or collaborative,
so to speak. So I think I think the trouble
started in that decision. But yeah, how do you how
do you unpack all of them?

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, a lot of questions also being raised about the
weapon that was found the SIGs or P three twenty.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about this
is Clark Opposian, host of Gun Radio Utah. On that
you hear right here on Talk Radio one oh five nine,
canter Ess and of course the big guy with the
Utah Shooting Sports Council. Clark, how are you Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
I'm okay for kid, Hi Rod Hi, Rad Clark.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Let's talk first of all about this this pistol that
was used in questions being raised about it if it
sometimes accidentally fires? What do you know of this and
give us the details on it if you would.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, those in the gun industry know that the P
three twenty is come under fire so to speak, in
the last I don't know, two three years for law enforcement.
It first started in Texas, I think, and they were saying,
you know, hey, the gun is in my holster and
it just fired all by itself. Well, we roll our
eyes typically of that kind of a thing. But it

(20:53):
started happening again and again and again throughout throughout the country,
and so there is some evidence that the three twenties
have a design problem. Now, this is a firearm that
replaced the BARRETTA ninety two or the M nine with
the military back I don't know, ten twelve years ago

(21:14):
or something like that. And so it's a nine milimeters
polymer frame striker fired gun. Essentially not too remarkable, you know,
different than other striker fired guns, but.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Something in the design.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
A lot of people are saying that something in the
design can cause it to fire spontaneously without any input
from the holder of the gun.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So Clark, first off, I want our listeners to know
that you're not just a famous you know, talk show
host and Utah you know for the gun show on
Saturdays here at Canteres, but you have a critical role
in terms of your perspective, your knowledge about guns and
gun laws here in the state of Utah. While the
legislature is going on right now. You're one of those
important stakeholders. So you really get into the deep weod

(22:01):
you get into the details of this, help our listeners
understand because you know, we don't operate at quarter speed,
we don't operate in slow motion. There's there are times
in your life when you need to defend yourself. But
if you're in law enforcement when you hear gun gun,
maybe walk through what is what is the procedure when
you're trying to If you're on law enforcement side, and

(22:21):
I'm sure you've seen the video of what happened in Minneapolis,
help us understand what went right, went went wrong? What
are you waiting to still see?

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well, you're right when you talk about fast and I'm
going to put into perspective. We you know, law enforcement
and tactical we're operating quarter seconds literally quarter seconds for
reaction time and that type of thing. And you know,
the courts have held when one officer says gun, even
if the other officer doesn't see it, they are allowed

(22:52):
to respond as if they saw the gun too. So yeah,
you know, with people are speculating one way or the other,
for against the officer or four of against for against petty,
they weren't there, they weren't in that mix. They didn't
hear what they heard, they didn't see what they saw,
and it it. I really don't know what's ultimately going

(23:16):
to come out. I keep I get asked all the time,
but I think a bigger So, yeah, you're right, these
things happen extremely fast. Reaction time is about a quarter second.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
We're also porters of the Second Amendment. Carrying a gun
to an event like this is not against the law,
but carrying a gun when you're impeding, impeding the enforcement
of the law raised the serious questions, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Clark Well, exactly right. And I would tend to think
that you know, you're you're at an event. I mean,
I I just don't go to these kind of protests.
But I would carry because I carry, because I carry everywhere.
And but then again, I'm not also going to douse
myself in gasoline and run into a forest fire because

(24:04):
you get to read the room, you know, I mean,
it might have been different, perhaps better advised, if you're
going to be confronting and engaging with law enforcement in
an obstructionist way and a you know, in a contrary way,
hide your gun, conceal it, make it more discreetly maintained

(24:28):
than have it out in the open. Because when law enforcement,
especially in those situations, in that heated you know, tear gases,
line and pepper spray and batons and everything, and they
see a gun, you're talking, Yeah, the gun in a
holster on your belt is fine, but it only literally
takes you know, maybe half a second to go from

(24:50):
holster to access and engage pointing at the cop.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I've heard a lot over the weekend they have
the signal chat that someone's been able to show the
kind of coordination that's going on between these groups or
out of state. They're wealth financed, They really are trying
to track trace ice. Even media that would cover it
accurately they want to intimidate them and remove them from
the area. I'm hearing what we see what happened in Minneapolis.

(25:19):
It might have been fifty attempts this weekend to try
and get law enforcement to react in a way that
they it would be hard to defend or that would
cast a doubt on the work that they're doing. Do
you have any intel? I mean, I know you run
in different circles. Are you hearing anything about Minneapolis specifically
where the attempt to try and get law enforcement to
make the wrong decision, to put them in situations that

(25:41):
they have to make a split second decision and hoping
that whatever decision they make, they can use it to
condemn them. I don't think this was a isolated incident,
But are you hearing anything like that.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
No, we've actually been hearing this all along, not just
at the Minneapolis things, at these immigration deals. We've heard
it all along to try to get there. They're essentially
they're carrying that firearm. They know it's provocative, they're they're
almost hoping it's not waiting for an opportunity that that

(26:13):
they are engaged for that and then can yell, oh,
look look what the cops did.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well wild situation. Clark has always loved your insight. Thanks
for joining us, man, Thank you all right, thank you
all right. On our Newsmaker line. That's Clark composion with
the Utah Shooting Sports Council, also host of Gun Radio Utah.
They hear Saturday afternoon on talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, anterest,
Apparently there are reports out that Bad Bunny, one of

(26:41):
your favorite artists, he is going to blit the Super
Bowl with a super queer halftime show. That's gonna fly.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, you know, Roger Goodell, it's jay Z who they
hired to do a multi year contract to put on
the halftime show. And I think at this point, if
you're just going to make political statements out of it,
We've we covered last week the the you know, the
political affiliations of different professional sports, and you've just got
NFL players that really split split it. They're not all

(27:12):
weighted one way like the NBA or especially the w NBA.
Just leave the politics out. We just want to watch
some sports, Like I don't even think about how leftist
Seattle is, or or La is or or San Francisco
is when I'm watching sports. I'm early looking at the players,
and I'm thinking about you know, and you see their
fans and they're cheering, and it just seems like it's normal.

(27:34):
So why introduce all the insanity from those metropolitan areas
or their politics into the NFL and its biggest game
of the year. It's just such a stupid thing to do.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
The insider, who apparently knows what's going on, says, the
NFL has no idea what is about to happen at
the halftime show. Donald Trump says, I'm not going. No
he did. I mean, you've got Green Day performing before.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Call him out. If he was an attendance, he would,
they would.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Now you got bad, Now you got bad Bunny, and
Bad Bunny reportedly is going to wear a dress. There
you go. That's one of the reports. And it's going
to honor icons of the LGBTQ community.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
It'll be interesting to see, you know, it's been historic.
It's you know, we've talked every year about how much
a Super Bowl ad costs. It used to be a
ton of money, and those used to be the ads
we'd want to see because they'd be funny, they put
a lot of work, there'd be a lot of production value.
Behind it. If they're going to just attack people and
try to impose political world views on it, with which

(28:37):
by statistically, you're going to offend some or not half.
If you're going to go so strident, how how does
that impact what advertisers are willing to pay for half
the people to turn it off and wait for the
game to start again. Because you know, some networks actually
come up with halftime shows to try and pull viewers
away from the halftime show to watch something else. You'll

(28:58):
see that this year for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, And I'm with you. Just play the game.
We don't need This is probably the one time America
comes together to watch a game that's right, right. I mean,
they get a massive audience. It is the biggest event
other than maybe soccer around the world. It's a massive event.
Why do this? I mean you're behind all of this

(29:21):
is jay Z. Yeah, the NFL contracted with him to
take care of the pre and the pregame and the
halftime shows. And he's going to impose his will on whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And I've seen them shift for on their on their
you know, national anthem debacle. I even heard right before
the game began, I heard one of the one I
think it was Fox that said we're going to honor
our country in the national anthem, and they they've actually
come back to a respectful part of the of the
pregame by showing that and the flyovers by the planes,
so you saw them. Whatever decisions they were making before,

(29:53):
you're seeing them self correct there. Going with jay Z
and having a highly partisan show is losing a lot
a positive ground.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, all right, when we come back five o'clock, coward
the president's decision on what to do in Minneapolis, we'll
talk about that and get your thoughts on it. Coming
up our number two of the Routing Gregg Show, the
President said, Tom Holman, who's head of border border Control,
I think Border Enforcement is on his way to Minneapolis.
If he isn't already there, the word is tonight we're

(30:23):
hearing that, Greg Bovino. I think with border patrol is
being it, will will leave Minneapolis and is not being
relieved of his duties, not being fired, but he'll just
leave Minneapolis. There are questions being raised a course about
Christy Nome, the President said today, and Caroline Levitt, the
White House Press Secretary, repeated this today that Tom Holman

(30:44):
is going to report directly to him, not to Christy Nomes.
So in your opinion, what's going on here? What does
this all mean?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So you know, I'm reading on act in real time.
There's there is There are two schools of thought right
now as who both feel like they have well sourced
you know, people explaining it to him. One is that
Baveno has been demoted, that he has been sent out
of Minnesota because of the response, and that he is
not able to properly defend the president's you know, his

(31:17):
interest in enforcing federal immigration law and that it's not
it's not working out, so he's going to demote him.
Others are saying that the president fully supports him, fully
supports Christian Secretary of Christy Nome, But they're sending in
Homan because of the relationship and the conduit of communication
that Tom Holman will have with the president. Remember this
is the same Tom Holman who Washington posted did a

(31:40):
nice bio piece on it and said, here's the man
behind the president enforcing our immigration laws. And that was
for Barack Obama. So he's been he has served under
multiple presidents, and it looks like he's going to take
the helm the part I worry about. Is this is
an impossible job because it's so easy to be in
hindsight to say, well, you know, they came out with

(32:00):
some statements that this man wanted to commit mass you know,
mass murder or impose maximum damage. The gun he has loaded,
the clipse he has, and is you know that he
had to, you know, to reload if necessary. Weren't known
at the time that this interaction took place, but they
are facts of the case. People are saying that it
was it was not well thought out to have made

(32:22):
any comments on Saturday or Sunday, and that they should
have had the investigation before saying anything. That's easy, and
I can I can make the argument why that makes
sense and why that should have been the case. But
just know this, if you do it, understand the left
will never stop talking about this. They will continue to
call them murderers. They will continue to call them those names,
and then you would just have a silent Trump administration

(32:45):
while you have this chorus from the left in the
regime media saying that they're fascists and everything else. Is
that better? Look again, you can make the argument both ways.
But I but Bovino, I think has done an absolute
stalwart job. I think he's done the job he's been
has to do. And I think when these moments happen,
like our conversation with Clark Composion, understand there's probably fifty

(33:06):
attempts in a given day to get ice, you know,
to rattle them, to start, to make them fear like
they're that their lives are in danger, to get them
to engage, so that they can turn the public sentiment
against enforcing immigration laws. So this is going on in
such a I think, a comprehensive, organized way. I think

(33:26):
it's it's unfair to Bovino to say, well, get him
out of here. You know, he didn't win the communication
war and it made us look bad. I don't think
there's a scenario where we're going to look good. I
think you have to be committed to the rule of law.
You have to get this done. You cannot pause, you
cannot capitulate, because if you do, that will signal to
them that they can do just like they did the
Tesla takedown. They can cause the fear of the chaos

(33:49):
and get what they want at the end of the day.
This is why you don't negotiate or appease terrorists. If
you appease or negotiate with these people. Now you're just
going to get more of it.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
So I am where do you go? Well, I've got
it now. The President, as I mentioned, had a phone
call with Walls today. The President said it was a
very good phone call. They were kind of on the
same page in a number of respects. But I have
two issues when it comes to Tim Walls. First of all,
we are learning more and more, as you just mentioned,
Greg about this network that has been set up, a

(34:21):
signal chat I think is what it's called, something like that,
and it is well organized. We had Matt Margolis on
the show in the last hour and you can read
his story on our X page. But it is a
well I mean, they track where Ice is, They have
different areas of the city covered, and they let people
know Ice is going to be here. Here's what you
need to do to get out. Why isn't Tim Walls

(34:41):
saying stop this?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Do you even hear him mention this? But it is
real and it is going on. We don't hear Tim
Walls bring it up or Jacob Fry bring it up.
Let these groups do what they're doing. They refuse. The
other point I make there was a hotel that has
been housing some of the ICE agents that was ransack
last night. The lobby was torn apart, windows were broken.

(35:08):
Where on earth is the Minneapolis Police Department?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Where are they stopping that? I mean, when when ICE
goes in to go after somebody, why aren't the Why
isn't the police department setting up a perimeter to allow
them to get in there and do their job and
keep their protesters away from them. That's what I would
like to know.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And Rod to your point. In the Red States, where
you have law enforcement working with their federal you know,
their federal law enforcement officers to the same end to
preserve public safety. Okay, you're seeing the number of deportations
and removals and in all of these operations they are
tenfold even higher in terms of numbers and efficiency in

(35:51):
doing it when they're cooperating with each other. Do you
want to know where it's not happening. It's in the
Blue states where those law members of law enforcement have
been instructed to not work with their with federal law enforcement.
You've got I think twenty four resignations from the Minneapolis
Police Department, eighteen of which have turned around and joined
and signed up with ICE because they want because they
want to be part of the law enforcement effort. If

(36:13):
you're a blue state and I'm looking at the number
of where the laws have been enforced, including where if
you're a sheriff and you have someone in jail, you're
checking to see if they're illegally a resident or not,
and you're communicating with ICE, you have someone here that's illegal.
In the Blue states where they don't cooperate, It's not
that Trump is targeting these Blue states. It's that they've
never worked with federal law enforcement to actually see this done.

(36:37):
So it's not them targeting. It's being gummed up. Our
whole immigration system and enforcing immigration law is being gummed
up in the blue states that are refusing to work
and cooperate with federal lawenforcement.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
And that is exactly what Todd blanche was the Assistant
Attorney General, said on Meet the Press yesterday. Listen to
this as he breaks this all down.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
I'm very confused about why the conversation is about what
you're talking about instead of focusing on what really matters,
which is why in one city, in one place do
we have these problems.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
We deport ten times the.

Speaker 8 (37:09):
Number of illegal aliens out of Texas than we do
out of Minneapolis. Why do we hear nothing out of
Texas about any of the same problems that we have
in Minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'll tell you why.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Because in Texas we have the cooperation and support of
local law enforcement so that we can do these operations safely,
keeping US citizens and others protected and safe. That is
not what we have in Minneapolis. And the fact that
it's the administration that's being blamed for the utter failure
of leadership in Minneapolis is not right.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
It's not appropriate you.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Saying that, officers, It's not true. And as he explained,
you just mentioned, there's cooperation going on all around the country.
I think in I heard Caroline Levitt say today in
seven of the ten largest cities in America, we're getting cooperation.
Crime is coming down. What are the three cities where
they aren't getting cooperation? Chicago, Minneapolis, Los Angeles? What is

(38:01):
taking place?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
If they don't want ice there, then they should stop
sheltering empowering the illegal immigrants that are in their state
or in their city. And that's why you see the
focus that you see where it's happening.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
All right, What should we do. Phone lines are open
to you eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero on your cell phone dial Pound two fifty, say
hey Rod, or leave us a message on our talkback
line by downloading the iHeartRadio app. Let's go to the phones.
Let's go to South Ogden and hear from Diane tonight
on the Rodd and Gregg Show. Hi, Diane, how are you?

Speaker 7 (38:34):
Hi? Guys, how are you tonight?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Well? Thank you?

Speaker 9 (38:38):
Hey.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
I was wondering if either one of you have ever
heard the term stochastic terrorism. And I've got the definition
pulled up and I can read it to you quickly.
But it's what we're living right now.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I have never heard of that. Stocastic terrorism. What do
you tell? What is it?

Speaker 7 (38:58):
Okay? It is the public demonization or of a person
or group through hateful rhetoric, hyperbolic rhetoric, often by influential figures,
to incite random, unpredictable acts of violence. While specific attacks
cannot be predicted, the likelihood of violence is statistically probable,

(39:22):
giving plausible deniability and avoiding direct accountability.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's not stochastic terrorism. That's called Minneapolis, Minnesota. That's what
you just described, Diane Ding dingdingding.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
It's what we're living right now. It's simply the Democratic playbook.
I have a buddy who's in law enforcement, uh, and
I have been screaming this for about six weeks. But
you guys have way more listeners than I have Facebook friends.
So have at it all right.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Thank you for that. That's the definition of that. Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, chast their efforts. They know these these moments are coming.
It's it's statistically a certainty. If they're going to have that,
they're going to try that many times and be that aggressive.
They know something's gonna happen as long as they can
keep the cameras on, and then they're gonna just delve
on that and say, look what we told you, This
is what was going to happen. It's it's planned. I
will tell you this too. One of the comment that

(40:19):
Governor Walls made today just real quickly, well, actually I'll
say it.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
One, kay, Tame, We'll come back, we come back.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I want to tell you he said something today that
that sounds very good that we would like, and I'm
going to tell you why it's patently misleading in its face.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's coming up next on the Rod and Greg Show
and Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine can arrests
the President at a telephone call. He called it very
productive with Minnesota Governor Tim Walls. Tom Holman, the head
of Border Control, is on his way to Minneapolis. You
teach the thought as to something Tim Walls said today
and you've got a reaction to it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, I'm just so. President Trump put out a statement
that he had a great discussion with Governor Walls and
that they're going to work together, and he's gonna he's
gonna send Tom Holman. They're going to have this discussion.
The governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls. He says something that
that if you know what he's talking about, you know
that he's being he's misleading the public at large. And
I want to share that with you because I think

(41:12):
it's important to note that that Tim Walls is not
a good player in this and he's not someone and
I would I think the President knows this. I trust
our president, but the governor. I'm reading a statement by
a president by Tim Walls by his office. It was released.
He said. The governor reminded President Trump that the Minnesota
Department of Corrections already honors federal detainers by notifying ICE

(41:34):
when a person committed to its custody isn't a US citizen.
There is not a single documented case of the departments
releasing someone from state prison without offering to ensure a
smooth transfer of custody again to ICE. Okay, well, doesn't
that sound like they are just tough on illegal immigrations.
Here's here's what is. Here's what you have to know.

(41:56):
If you're in a state a department of corrections facilities,
So you're at a state prison, you've been convicted of
a crime. Everybody that's arrested goes to jail in our state,
those are county jails. Maybe they have city jails. In Minnesota,
they have county jails. You go there for misdemeanors and felonies.
You never get to a state facility, a correctional facility

(42:18):
until you have been found guilty of what a felony?
Where What Tim Walls, what Governor Walls fails to mention
in this statement, is that it's the jails where most
of this detainers and communication with ICE takes place. Most
of it takes place there, not after someone's been convicted
of a felony and then goes to the prison, the
state prison. That is. Of course, if he's doing that,

(42:39):
then great, five percent, ten percent maybe of those that
are here illegally you're notifying ICE, but all of those
that have committed misdemeanors, all of those that are there
and held there and determined very quickly whether they're you know,
relegal residents or not, they are not cooperating with ICE
like other states are, like Utah's sheriffs already do. That

(43:00):
is the big gap there. So I think the governor,
Governor Walls is trying to communicate that there's never been
a documented case where we haven't notified ICE when we
have someone in your prisons, which is a small percentage
of the people that we're actually talking about here. So
I think it's misleading. I think he does it on purpose.
I don't think he's he doesn't understand what he's saying.
I think he does, and he thinks that the public

(43:21):
won't know the difference between a state prison and a
county jail or even a city jail. Some cities have jails.
Those are the places where most of these most of
that communication with ICE would occur.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, I think I fall along with what you're saying great,
because I don't think the general public have asked him
the difference between jail and prison. They couldn't define it.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
No, I think we use the word interchangeable, and.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
They are different, as you point out.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
And that's why you got to watch what's happening in
Minnesota and I don't. And I'm telling you there it's him.
And then I even saw a statement where President Trump
spoke with the mayor Fry Yes, oh, we made it.
We had a great conversation. We're going to work things out.
These two have no interest in working anything. They haven't
from day one. They have been fomenting fear and chaos
amongst the public in Minneapolis as a city and Minnesota

(44:07):
as a state, both governor and mayor. I'm not saying
that the president because I trust it. Again, I trust
the President. You can negotiate with them, you can work
with them to the degree that you can watch them
and verify what they're saying. But understand, I'm going to
tell you these guys are bad players. They are telling
the public one thing and doing something completely different depending
on the audience they're in front of. And at the

(44:29):
end of the day, they have been harboring illegal aliens.
They do not want them deported, and they're doing everything
in their power to protect them and keep federal law
enforcement from doing their job.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I think the only way, and I'm just guessing here
that the President will back down a little bit if
he in fact gets cooperation from Minnesota in the jails,
in the jails, not in the prisons, but in the jails.
They aren't going to give that up there. So I
think we may get begetting close to a stalemate because
they are not going to give that up.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, they won't. And I'm telling you, in the states
that do cooperate that way, you don't have any of
this happening. It's not like Minnesota is the only place
where ICE is actually doing operations. If you go to
the ICE's X page in their different cities jurisdictions that
they're in, they will give you the laundry list of
violent criminals that they're apprehending every day. This is happening
around the country. Where you see this chaos going on

(45:19):
is in a state where they do not want the
laws enforced, the federal immigration laws enforced. And Tom Mahoman
said a couple of weeks ago, very clearly, if you
don't like the laws, don't get mad at ice. Yeah,
get me out at Congress. Have Congress change the laws.
They just simply enforce the laws. And that's what they're
doing here. They're doing and that state and that city.
They don't want federal laws enforced.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Period.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
It's not it's not that they're the ones causing the violence.
They're creating violence to try and create a narrative that
the public, the American people, don't want to see the
laws enforced.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
All right, When we come back where your calls, your
comments about the president's decision, what does he do about Minneapolis.
That's coming up on the Monday afternoon edition of The
Rot and Gregg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay,
NRS number by what eleventh I think ranked in the country.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Did you say that game no Saturday? Oh they whooped them?

Speaker 8 (46:07):
All?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Is like, well, they got that kid who's pretty good basketball.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
When did the when did the youth become rented mules?
I mean the whooped like a rented mule. You say
that it was a while ago. There Alex Jensen is
there trying to rebuild a program. Now, Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And that kid down will b Yu who'll be gone
in April.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
The thing is, I don't watch a lot of college basketball.
That is the first I watched the second half of
that game on Saturday. It's the first college basketball I've
watched in a long time. This is b YU basketball.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, I get into it a little bit with the
March madness stuff. That's always kind of fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
It is fun. I do like the term, especially if
I filled out a you know, a bracket. Oh yeah,
I didn't that. I like to watch you bet on
the bracket. It is not is not cambling. You might
have a pool of interested people that sees to see
who's lucky enough, but that's that's like it's like, yeah,
it's like a raffle. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well. I question a lot of people, but asking over
the weekend since the shooting on Saturday, is why on earth,
Greg did Alex pretty act so foolish and bring a
gun to a protest in Minneapolis? I mean, why did
he do that? I mean, if this is a peaceful protest,
why did he bring a gun?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Especially if you're a leftist, like you know that the
left hates guns.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I've never once seen any of these characters, you know,
protect the right to bear arms or think that we
even have the right to bear arms. But so when
a leftist is run around with a gun and extra
clips in his pocket, you know, it does cause one
to pause.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, yeah, So, I mean it's going to be a
question that's going to be debated for quite some time.
I want you to list to this comment. There was
a really good discussion this morning on CBS this morning.
Yes it was CBS, but Dana lash who I believe
Steele has her own radio talk show and also as
a former spokesperson for the NRA, explained, you know this
whole incident. Listen to the explanation that she gave, because

(47:59):
I think it's prety darn good.

Speaker 10 (48:03):
I have, over the years many years, have been armed
at protests, both concealed carry and open carry. I have
been right in the front faced presidence of law enforcement
while open carrying. But there is a difference though, and
I really want people to pay attention to this. At
no point was I ever detained, nor was I shot at,
or was I involved in any kind of altercation with

(48:26):
law enforcement, because I did not insert myself into any
kind of federal investigation and that's what's really important here.
There's a difference between carrying by law enforcement, and there's
a difference between carrying while in commission of felonious activity.
And according to US statute, this is federal law. You
cannot insert yourself or impeded law enforcement operations. And I'm

(48:47):
sure that this investigation is going to uncover a lot
of questions. I mean, we all have a lot of
questions about this. We've all seen the videos, we've all
seen the angles. But there is a difference. I would
never carry and then impeded official law enforcement investigation because
then it kicks off this domino effect of potentially tragic
circumstances that I think everybody wants to avoid.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Now, Greg, the real question here is going to be
did he impede a federal investigation or federal law enforcement?
He stepped in when border patrol knocked I believe it
was a woman to the ground, Yes, Now, was he
stepping into helper or stepping in to impede what federal
law enforcement was doing? And that's that's one of the
key questions.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It ends with the words stepping in, okay, because if
they're bringing her to the ground without context, it doesn't.
You don't get to You don't have the privilege of
opinion in that moment when federal law enforcement is acting.
That's why they that's why they're told it is legal
to film. You can film something that you think all
you want, sure film it. As soon as you begin
to engage directly with members of law enforcement, that's where

(49:48):
you're on the wrong side. You can't, you can't get involved,
and if you do, nothing good comes from that. And
that and I need any good defense attorney would tell
anyone free advice, legal advice. You don't. You can't. It's
not legal. You can't do it, and if you do it,
there's consequences that come with it. But you know, that's
where that's where these problems begin, is that the media

(50:09):
has made people feel like they're on some moral high
ground to get involved into and to interfere with or
to interact with the law enforcement. If you had other
members of law enforcement on the ground as well, trying
to secure a perimeter keep people from getting involved and
interrupting like you have in other states, you wouldn't have
what's happening in Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
This is what I don't like.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm reading this so Mayor Fry thinks he's pretty hot
stuff now that he got a call from the President. Yeah,
and he's going to tell everybody what he thinks. That
conversation with the President went, how that went, And he
writes on his X page, I spoke with President Trump
today and appreciated the conversation. I expressed how much Minnesota,
how many, how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant communities,

(50:53):
and was clear that my main ask is that Operation
met Operation Metro Surge needs to end.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
The President.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
The President agreed the president situation can't continue. Let me
tell you what in that statement he just made our
immigration communities. It's the illegal immigrants we're talking about, not immigrant.
There is nobody after the immigration the legal immigrants of
any state or city. It is the illegal immigrants. And

(51:20):
if he's saying that that cannot continue the apprehension of
the removal, of the deportation of illegal immigrants, and they're
they're targeting the criminals, then then that's that's non negotiable.
And and he can feel great about that conversation with
the President. But I do trust this President. I get
I get fatigued by people that support the President and
they see one narrative out there that they don't like

(51:42):
or thinks that contradicts what he's doing. Because I'm going
to tell you that if you do back out or
if you do pause there, if they win, they're going
to do this in more cities. But I trust this
president that he knows the same thing I do, that
he knows more than I do, and he's not going
to have that happen. But he'll he'll go eyeball to
eyeball with him. He's not afraid to do that. In fact,
he wants to do it so that he can then
there or to the American people, the mayor represented this,

(52:02):
but he did that, or he does not want to
follow the lot.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Let's go to the phones. Here what Dave has to
say on this tonight? Dave is in laden. Dave, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 11 (52:12):
Hey, gentlemen, how are you hey? Real quick as a vat.
I love number one, I love President Trump, and I
love the job Ice is doing. But here's the deal.
This guy interfered in a federal operation. He you've heard
the term FAFO, right, woll exactly what he did. And

(52:33):
you've got Fry and Waltz pretty much wanting declaring war
against the federal government. So if this blood is on
anyone's hands, it's those two. So I just wanted to
share that with you, gentlemen. Thanks for the time.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
You're welcome, Dave, and I agree. I mean, these two
have done more to inflame their protesters than do anything
to calm them down. You know, they keep up walls.
Does anyone, first of all, pay any attention to him?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
How many time Wall said we need to have peaceful
protests in the streets. Have we had a one peaceful
protest in that street? Yet, No, we have and not
a one. They have no credibility with that far left.
They really don't.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
And what's happening is because you have so much money
and coordination and effort that's out of state that's coming
into this city, recruiting those from the city, drawing people
from outside of Minnesota to come and travel two minute
Minneapolis to engage in this. They come with almost like
a sense of authority. They tell you how to interact,
how they're going to have people that if they if

(53:34):
they use pepper spray, they have medics on the scene
that will help you. They are just they are explaining
to people how they can so called peace I'm using
the air quotes peacefully protest. But what they're trying to
do is interrupt and impede the enforcement of federal immigration laws.
And they are hoping it, and they don't tell that
the people that are participating in that they're training up this.
They want them shot. They want I'm not kidding, they

(53:56):
want the violence. They want this to happen because they
know if they can, if they can force ice or
federal law enforcement into an untenable situation, they will use
that to turn America against the enforcement of the law.
And that's and that is happening at a level of organization.
We should be scared. You know that guy, I'm O'Keefe,

(54:16):
James James O'Keeffe. They his phone in the group he
was with that was trying to show what was happening
and get cameras on the ground. He began to receive
anonymous text to his own phone saying, we're watching you.
You're in this automobile, you have this many out, you
have this You have an hour or something to leave
or we're going to stop you. We're going to pull
you out of the I mean, they're threatening him, and

(54:37):
he's doing different techniques to try and evade to be
being followed or detected, and they continued to be watch
him and tell him what's happening.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
At every move they throw frozen water bottles at him. Yep,
that's what they did to this guy. All right, more
coming up, Rodd and Greg with you on this Monday
and Talk Radio one oh five nine O ky NRS.
One of our favorites. Luisiana Senator John Kennon was on
real Time with Bill Maher over the weekend, and Bill
Maher talked about the fact that what is going on
in Minneapolis is going to have an impact on the

(55:08):
midterm elections. This is how Endor Kennedy responded.

Speaker 9 (55:12):
You don't have to be Einstein's cousin, are a senior
at cal Tech to know that illegal immigration is illegal.
Those of us who believe that no one is above
the law have to concede that folks who are in

(55:34):
our country illegally are not above the law either. I
support enforcing our immigration laws. Now how you enforce them matter.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
That's the key.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
You have to do it the House.

Speaker 9 (55:47):
You have to do it in a ProDance with due process,
equal protection, and Terry v Ohio reasonable suspicion. It's okay
to protest, it's not okay to protest violently. Violence undermines
the morality that you say your movement is built upon.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
You know, he puts it pretty plainly, very simple.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
It is.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
But illegal immigration is illegal. Illegal.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
It depends on how you do it. But I want
to know how you do it if you don't have
any local law enforcement keeping a perimeter keeping people from
intervening and interfering. I just want to know. Are you
supposed to just give up and leave? And if you do,
I think you get more of that or what do
you do with these people that want to touch them
and block their ways and and and get involved and

(56:36):
scream at them. I mean, I I think that the
right way UH does require a cooperative cooperation from different
jurisdictions of law enforcement. But if you don't have it,
do you just give up and say it's the sanctuary
state because it's not. It's not like it's a random
spot that we didn't see coming. Sanctuary states Democrat controlled,
leftist controlled states and leftists controlled Democrat controlled cities have

(56:59):
been harboring illegal immigrants. They've been rewarding the illegal entry
by letting them stay there, they get the public benefits,
They even get the vote. Don't tell me they don't
because they Nobody would have a problem with a law
that says you can't vote, or enforcement of a law
that says you can't vote if you're an illegal immigrant.
If you weren't getting illegal immigrants to vote, you wouldn't
be against that law. If you believe that they weren't. Yeah,

(57:22):
so they're getting the redistricting, they're getting all the benefit.
They want nothing to do with it. What do you
do in that moment? That's the question of how do
you do.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
It right now?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
That is a question. When we come back, we'll talk
about the protest culture in America today. Where is it now?
Where's it going? That's coming out? You probably didn't see
this on Saturday. I didn't realize it was being broadcast
live on Netflix. But the American rock climber Alex Hanold,
I believe is house name is pronounced done the world.
When he scaled the one thousand, six hundred and sixty

(57:52):
seven foot skyscraper in Taipei, Taiwan, without any safety equipment.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's insane. I saw, I saw the height for it.
I wouldn't watch that. That would be like, that'd be
you'd have to strap me to a chair and may
and hold my eyelids, cut my eyelids, so I'd have
to watch it. I have I would never want to
see it. I would be nervous for this dummy the
whole entire time. He did it successfully, But the burning
question of my why is he out of his mind?

(58:21):
Do you know how?

Speaker 12 (58:22):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
The wind the must kick up the higher you get
up a skyscraper like that, he has no, he didn't
have any ropes.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Anything.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
He's insane, that is, you know, we have a survival
instinct for a reason. Okay, we are not supposed to
do things like that, because you know, it is kind
of you know, the Darwinian theory here, sir. So if
you're not smart enough to scale a skyscraper with no rope,
then you know you're not long for this world at
some point. I think that's an insane deal. And how

(58:51):
how Netflix aired it live? You could have seen that
man fall at any moment and you'd have that live.
I hope that on delayed.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well it probably you know, well, you know why we
watch auto racing, why we watch it for the car crashes,
car crashes.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
We know we're coming, but you want to see someone win.
But that's different. I I'm telling you, I don't get
I don't get any of that. I don't get it.
I don't I just I just I Only people say, oh,
I want to go, you know, I want to try parachuting.
I am never in my life heavens no, I'm not
almost did you know? When you're in a plane, the

(59:28):
only thing I want that plane to do is be operable,
like I don't want to crash. What I'm never doing
is jumping out of an operable plane. I'm not jumping
out of or fully functioning, working plane that's gonna land.
I'm not jumping out of it. I don't care about
the The feeling of free falling is not fun for me.
I don't find it enjoyable. I feel it. My body says,
you're falling from a high place. This is dangerous. That's

(59:50):
that's the alarm bells going off in my head. I
am There's nothing about it that I find interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I had a couple buddies years ago who did this
a lot. They almost convinced me almost, and then one
morning I woke up said ain't no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Way, No, it's you know. I don't even like jumping
off high rocks. They go to lake power or something.
And when people like to jump off the high roxy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I love doing that as a kid. I did that
as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
So I dropped off some medium size as a kid,
pure peer pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Got it? Got it? It was fine. Then once you
do it a couple of times, you're not as afraid,
so he can jump off it more and more. I
get it. High dives at the community pool. I've done that.
You start getting up higher. Not interested, Nope, not doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
My self esteem is found from a whole different place.
I don't need to be hurling my body off anything
high down to whatever is at the bottom to make
myself feel good with myself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Pulling the tall climbing the tallest skyscraper without any safety
equipment whatsoever. And then he came back down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
So I heard they did it. They did some study
of this guy, and he does everybody has this survival instinct.
He doesn't have this fear that most people have. I really,
that's not a good thing, nothing to brag about. That's
how you you know, that's why you look both ways
before you across the street. Okay, that's why you don't
touch the hot oven or the hot stove. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I mean, we know those things instinctively. Don't do that.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I want to live, Okay, I'm that's my thing. I'm
I want to live. I got a survival instinct that
courses strong through my veins.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I have a young couple that lives in our neighborhood.
They're going all around the country climbing things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
They're just asking for trouble. They're asking for trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And they're really good, they're they're great kids. But they
go all over the country climbing rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
They go find a different hobby. Try golf. It's so
much easier. It says you didn't You don't die.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Playing golf and your feet are on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Your feet are on the ground. You could be sitting
in a golf cart drinking a die coke and you're
immersed in sport. That's my kind of sport. I like that.
And no, look, you play pickleball. There's a lot of
things you can do that are in the category of sane.
Climbing high things you could fall from and die without
safety equipment, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Well, yeah, good for him that that to me is
just a dumb award. You just you just you're the
dumbest guy in the world to even tried it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Well, we've been asking our next guest to wait for
a minute. Sorry, David, I'll do a little bit too long.
But AOC a while ago said that protests, the protest
culture in this country is really American. It's American right protesting.
I guess, I guess. But my next guest, David Harzani,
he is an author senior writer the Washington Examiner, calls

(01:02:25):
it very Unamerican. David, thanks for joining us tonight. What
are your thoughts on the comments by AOC and protesting
is un American in America today?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Well, I'm not opposed to a protest. Of course, you
have the First Amendment right to do that as long
as you're obviously you're peaceful and you don't break any laws.
But I think there is this trend not just about
these protests, but in general, and it's probably goes back
a few decades where young people at the time and
now have been convinced that protesting is a a show of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Good citizen or citizen ry.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
You know that that that you that if you protest,
you care more, you're more passionate about it, that it
means that you're being a good citizen. But it doesn't.
I mean, anyone can protest. And when your whole life
is taken up by this idea that you get what
you want simply because you're out on the streets, I
think that's that's something that undermines actually the Republican and

(01:03:23):
I don't mean a capital R, but I mean a
small are ideas that actually propel American life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I agree. I'll just say this. I want to make
this observation, but maybe you can elaborate. There is a disconnect.
If you were if you saw people that were outside
of an abortion clinic and they, as pro life members
of society, wanted to bring greater attention to and maybe
even condemnation to an abortion clinic, there's the left just screeches.
They think this is domestic terrorism. Through and through the

(01:03:50):
Tea Party. That was another one that was just rejected,
and the recoil could not have been worse by the left.
How there's these Tea Party lunatics. You know, they were
racists and everything else, and protest somehow doesn't equate to
good citizenship if you're not protesting their worldview. Am I
being too much of a cynic? Or is there just

(01:04:10):
a complete double standard on what it means with the
right to assemble? Is it just does it only apply
to the left, because it feels to me that that's
all we ever hear?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Well, there's definitely a lot of hypocrisy on that issue
for sure, Like you mentioned the Tea Party were compared
to Nazis, and well, I guess we're all always being
spared to these days. But it kind of started in
a way there. I mean, it goes further back as
far as the protest movements, and the right is typically
not as engaged in protests in the streets as the left.

(01:04:42):
It's part of the left. A Lensky wrote about this.
It goes back to Marx. Creating confrontation all the time
is part of the left wing mindset. I mean, you know,
the progressive mindset, which is more popular now in this
country than it ever has been. But yeah, and again,
there's nothing wrong. I'm not saying that standing in front
of an abortion clinic is a bad thing necessarily, but

(01:05:04):
if if our lives are constantly taken up by actions
in the street. That is not I think how the
founders envisioned America. You're in a free country. You can
make change in other ways. People stay home and pay
their taxes and work and raise families and don't have
time to protest are just as worthwhile and just as
good citizens as the person carrying a sign. That's basically
my argument, David.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
When did the left begin conflating activism with patriotism? When
did this all start?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Probably the sixties are all bad started in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
That's him, That's these boomers, I tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I mean, young people always more passionate about stuff. I
guess you know, and they want to they have a
more They're more enticed by revolutionary ideas and stuff like that.
But I mean, I mentioned this in a colin. Very
few protest movements actually make any difference. You know, you
would have thought, like the cultural depictions that I grew
up with about the sixties, the Hippies stopped the Vietnam
We but Nixon one seventy two easily. I mean, it

(01:06:03):
was one of the biggest landslides in American history, and
he stopped the Vietnam War. I don't think protests are
as important as people think, but I do think they
create a turmoil.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
And that's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I think that's what left lingers want to do right
now is create turmoil.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Well, you're right, what do they want to do with
that turmoil? Because I'll tell you the performative versus a
subject that's not impactful. It's a state capitol, our legislatures
in session now, and I'm going to tell you that
out in front of the steps of the state Capitol
there is there is a performative protest happening every day
that not anyone other than the people and attendance know about.
Or if I walk out the wrong door at one point,
maybe I walk into it and I see it. But

(01:06:40):
it is performative and it doesn't have anything to do
with the substance of what's happening in this general session
right now here, at least here in Utah. So what's
the hook and what are they trying to do? Okay,
it creates disruption, at least amongst those that attend to do.
What what is the end game for that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Well, I guess theoretically they would be changing people's mind
or bringing attention to something which brings me. Actually, thanks
for reminding me another kind of parallel idea that we
have since the sixties, where I was taught this as well,
I guess, is that we have to respect people just
because they're protesting, or just because they're passionate about something,
or just because they want to make change. Well, actually
change is pretty bad most of the time, so I'm

(01:07:19):
happy not to have change, and I don't have to
respect people of idiotic opinions. I mean, if you're out
there with a sign that says the end of the
world is coming soon, I don't respect you. And if
you have one that says abolish eyes, I don't respect
you because or if you're a pro homous protest or,
I don't respect you. Just because you're marching doesn't and
performing doesn't mean we have to respect what you're doing.

(01:07:40):
But I think there's a with what's going on now.
Is that listen. I think these are tragic shootings and
that you know, it's a tragedy that any lands to die.
But I think that the left is looking for ways
to create confrontation, and confrontations can be dangerous, and they
you know, and then tragedy strikes, and it's I think
it's it's bad news for the country.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
David the final question on my co hosts made this
point earlier today. What happens if these protesters, and these
well organized protesters, by the sounds of things, are successful
in Minneapolis and driving ICE and the Border patrol out
of the city, or they they get it to a
level that they can live with. What is that success

(01:08:22):
for them? And then do they move on to a
new city and attack there? What happens here?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
That's interesting now? I think you know, the Trump administration
is in a position where they can actually I mean
they can, but they shouldn't retreat because ICE's ices enforcing law.
And if you let a mob intrude and not let
it reminds me of colleges. When you have colleges giving
into these mobs that don't let people speak, then it

(01:08:49):
just grows and they become emboldened by what they're doing.
And this is not this is what I mean by republicanism.
This is not how we deal with issues. If we
were in if we weren't in a free country, if
we're in Iran, or if we're in TMN Square in China,
it's a different story. But we're in the United States.
We're supposed to deal with these things through the legislatures debate,
and this is not. These are like Heckler's vedos or

(01:09:10):
you know whatever that is in a broader scale. So yeah,
I think I think it would spread for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
David Harzani, he's an author or senior writer at the
Washington Examiner, were talking about the protest culture that exists
in America today. That's I'm wrong with protesting. I'm super
bad at it. What I tried it it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Was a disaster, total disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Well, you make a good point. Why is it the
Conservatives and Republicans don't know how to protest.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Because it's performative and not substantive. But I'm but I'll
tell you what I tried it out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Didn't worry.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Oh, it was a disaster, total disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Even stole the other side slogans I tried.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
They had better slogans that the counter protest to ours.
They had way better slogans or champs or cheers. So
we try to copy theirs because there's rhymed and we
were not dressed for the weather. I's freezing to death.
I'll never hold a bullhorn on my face again. That
just didn't look wed thee. When they take pictures of
it and you're you on a bullhorn, you look I
look like I had rabies. I just it's just it

(01:10:07):
was a fail. It was a total fail. I'm never
protesting again.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Raised the question again. By the way, folks, it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Was because Ben McAdams voted to impeach President Trumpets. Well
you protest in his office.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
But it failed. It's still it was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
It wasn't. I wouldn't put it in the success category.
I don't think Republicans are good at that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
No, Conservatives aren't either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
No, just get the loons. Get the loons. They know
how to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I don't know. All right, Mark coming up the product
Greg show with you on this Monday in Utah's Talk
Radio one O five Dying Knrs. I'm citizen Greg Hughes
and I'm brought our Kent. Tim Walls said a lot
of things over the last couple of days about what's
going on in Minneapolis. He had a comment following his
meeting today with the President, and apparently the Holocaust Museum

(01:10:49):
is not happy with the Minnesota governor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
That's right, So yesterday he had to press yesterday, I'm
sorry and He invoked the book The Diary of a
Young Girl by Anne Frank, and he said, in this
is a quote, many of us grew up reading that
story of Anne Frank. He said, hiding in their house,
afraid to go outside. Somebody is going to write that
children's story about Minnesota. So that drew some That drew

(01:11:13):
the attention of the Holocaust Museum, and they put out
this release right here. Ann Frank was targeted and murdered
solely because she was Jewish. Leaders making false equivalencies to
her experience for political purposes is never acceptable. Despite tensions
in Minneapolis, exploiting the Holocaust is deeply offensive, especially as

(01:11:35):
anti Semitism surges. So the Holocaust Museum went after Governor
Walls directly to say that you comparing what's going on
in Minneapolis with Ann Frank and with her what happened
there and with the Holocaust is demeaning the severity of
and the horrors of the Holocaust, and stopped doing it

(01:11:56):
for political purposes. That's all he's doing. I mean, you
know the funny thing is, again the left gets away.
They can do this all the time. If a conservative
would ever say someone's a nazier, if they ever tried
to compare it, oh man, people will come down on
them like a ton of bricks that they're demeaning or
they're diminishing the severity of the Holocaust by even daring
to compare anything. But they somehow can do it. Other

(01:12:17):
than this condemnation from the Holocaust Museum, nobody calls out
Walls for all these false comparisons. Never.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Never, I mean, I guess the Democrats like what he's doing,
or he is so afraid to, you know, introduce a
little bit of common sense into his thinking that he'll
be attacked by the radical left.

Speaker 7 (01:12:35):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I just hope as we just as our show, you know,
progress today, but every day as we see the news
and we share it with you. The inconsistency, there is
no consistency that the leftists have to adhere to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
They can condemn somebody and under the same exact circumstances,
if it promotes their political agenda, they'll praise it. And
they don't have to. They don't feel embarrassed by it,
they don't feel inconsistent, they don't feel like they have
to explain it. They will take whatever position they think
is necessary to advance their their their own political power.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Case in point there what I saw numbers today maybe
three hundred CEOs in Minneapolis calling for Ice to leave
and get out of town. Right, there's been businesses, a
band together and not opening. I want you to list
to this comment. You brought this to my attention a
moment ago. This was a he is the owner of
a book called Moon Palace Books, and he was doing

(01:13:29):
an interview on CNN with Jake Tapper. Listen to what
he has to say, and then Jake Tapper doesn't challenge
him on this.

Speaker 14 (01:13:37):
I understand that that they take people to Fort Snelling here,
which literally was built as a concentration camp, and Alligator Alcatraz,
which I think we can all agree is a concentration camp.
Not saying they're dota, I'm not saying they're putting people
in ovens yet, but these are concentration camps.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Okay, wow. Jake Tapper does not challenge that. He lets
it go. So Ice is being accused of sending people
concentration champs and then putting them in ovens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Or not yet, but the evens are coming, but not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
The ovens are coming, And Jake Tapper does go, wait
a minute, wait a minute. This is where people just
don't trust these guys anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah. And if something was said that is so out
of just out in left field and so wrong, is
that the regime media, CNN, Jake Tapper, you name it,
all of them, they would they wouldn't let the man
finish the sentence before they'd be correcting and condemning in
a minute the comparisons that that man just made because
they are just so over the top. And again, if

(01:14:33):
the Holocaust Museum is angry at the governor for what
he said, I'll tell you what that's this is just
as bad. But this is a knucklehead bookstore owner. That's that's,
you know, talking about things that he has no understanding of.
And again, these moral equivalencies that they draw really don't
have to be accurate. They don't have to be consistent.
They don't have to there's nothing. All they're trying to

(01:14:54):
do is create emotion or stir emotion, and people fement, fear,
promote violence to get their way. And I hate to
say it, folks, but it works more than it doesn't.
It does. People react out of fear more than out
of aspiration, sadly, and they in the left knows it
and they use it as a tool. It's their first
tool they use. They they haven't proffered a good idea

(01:15:14):
or a solution friends, that they just it's it's Trump
is evil, It's he's a fascist Nazi, it's everybody is Now.
You got that that nurse from uh is it in Florida?
That won't that won't won't treat me any anesthesia to
someone that's a maggot that wants to make America great again.
If you support Donald Trump, this nurse is declared they
or he is not going to perform any medical delivery

(01:15:36):
for you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Well, uh, this is somewhat related, Greg. But the new
governor of Virginia, Spamburger is that her name right? Yea
came across during the campaign as a moderate Democrat. So
what does she do now that she has put she's
born into office? Is proposing the highest tax rate in
the country of higher than California. When are people going

(01:15:58):
to learn I can trust them?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
And you know why she's doing it right now? It's
the earliest time before she could get booted out of office.
So if she can get it done the first few
months of her first term, she's hoping three years after.
She can call it something else, people will forget about it.
She can draw attention to something else, like a parlor trick.
And that's why she's trying to do it quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
And it's only one term in Virginia, right, you can
only run for it, so she can go a lot
of Damageack Glenn Youngkin couldn't run again, even though if
he had.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
It's just one term. My goodness, Yeah, I kind of agree, right,
So she doesn't have to worry about a reelection. She
can do anything she.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Wants or coming up Rodd and Greg with you on
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k.

Speaker 14 (01:16:36):
N R S.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I don't know. I keep thinking it seems so long ago.
Remember when I said, after the first shooting, will there
be any violence? Will they any burning of Minneapolis? And
you didn't think there was going to be I don't
know if they burnt anything down yet. But the violence
has just not ceased. I mean, this is stepping up
in a big way. And we talked about this at
the commercial break and I knew this, but I didn't
bring it up folks when we were discussing it. When

(01:16:58):
we talk about a very well organized effort to impede
ice to stop what they're doing in the network they're using,
and even the out of state influence, certainly the money,
but even the people that are coming. What I didn't,
what I failed to mention, is that these hacked signal
chats that that people have founder are now making public
of how organized it is. It includes elected a Democrat

(01:17:21):
elected officials in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
The Lieutenant governor of the state is one of those
officials who's involved in this signal chat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
That's right, And I'll tell you what. There's again very
plain language about whether you can impede or stop or
prevent federal law enforcement from doing their job. And now
you have elected officials in Minnesota that that they have
They didn't want to be known for doing this, but
they are quietly behind the scenes working to stop this.
This is why I look forward to seeing I don't

(01:17:49):
I see people criticizing President Trump's decisions on a baveno
him today, moving him on Tom Hooman coming in, and
people are kind of worried that he and then they
you know, Walls and Fry. They have their own interpretation
of what was said with the President, but they're saying
that the President agrees with them, and they're going to
lower their numbers and maybe draw a pullback or something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
I say this, I trust this president and I look
forward to seeing what strategy he has and how it
will play out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Well, how much of an issue is this going to
be in the midterms? You know, there's been talk about affordability,
that's certainly one question. But I still think almost any
election with Donald Trump around, Greg Donald Trump is the
issue on the ticket. Yeah, I mean that's what drives
the Democrats. But what about affordability? Is it a ploy
that will work? Joining us on our news maker line

(01:18:41):
to talk about that is our good friend that he
is McCarter, He is a contributor at American Greatness Statis.
Thanks for joining us tonight. What about this affordability ploy exactly?
How do they use it?

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
Well, it's really all about deflection when you think about it.
A lot of inflation was caused by the Democrats spendthrift
policies when they had the majority under Joe Biden and
so by inflating the economy, putting it out of sugar
high in conjunction with their commitment to the green energy policy,
which is going to continue to cost people money. You

(01:19:13):
so the affordability crisis really was born then and there.
What they then do now that they're in the minority,
now that this Biden has gone, they're starting to blame
the Trump administration and Congressional Republicans for not cleaning up
their mess fast enough. And given the fact that it's
so cold here in Detroit. When we use an apt analogy,

(01:19:34):
this is like an arsonist complaining that the fire department
isn't putting out the fire fast enough, and all they
do is hope that they can get back in and
cause another conflagration. In the final analysis, the Democrats cause
a problem. They're complaining about people not cleaning it up
fast enough, and they want another shot at making things
even worse. What they're doing in Virginia, they've already started,

(01:19:56):
despite running a moderate campaign. The new governors already looking
at execus give orders and policies. They're going to increase
the cost of living leveland Virginia despite the Protestations and
pie ins to reducing the cost of living.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
You know, this is a familiar trick. I remember I
took a clip during the Biden administration of Schumer criticizing
Trump for like three dollars gasoline that it was so
high compared to the two something it used to be,
and then he was, and then we fast forward to
the Biden administration, we were looking at five dollars a gallon,
which Schumer amazingly had nothing to say about. My question is,

(01:20:33):
is the economy improving, is income growing inflation at a
faster pace in inflation? Will tax returns come in robust
where the American people will feel some relief while we
make sure that people know where this problem started. Do
you think we're going to get tagged with this in
the midterms or do you think the blame will lie

(01:20:53):
where it deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
You're right about this. The American people are very practical people.
Lets they feel that their economic situation is improving, they
will vote accordingly. It's the question of when that palpable
impact as it manifests itself with the electric So for
the Trump administration, they have to hope their continued economic
policies continue to reduce core inflation, continue to see wages

(01:21:18):
starting to rise ahead of inflation again, and makes basically
the transition from the sugar high and the sugar low
of the Biden administration is actually met with not a
government based economy, but again returning to the private sector
based economy with real solid gains in economic employment and
economic productivity. The question then is for the by for

(01:21:40):
the Trump administration, is they have to stay on message
resolutely so they can remind people of the mess they
inherited and the steps that they're doing to try to
make things better as they wait for the full impact
of their economic performance to come to come to fruition.
I think part of the problem that you start to
see with the Trump administration and in terms of their messaging,

(01:22:01):
is he's trying to do so many things at once,
given the fact that his last term, that what happens
is when he starts talking about Greenland, and the media
focuses on Greenland and the questions come. That's just to
most voters that are worried about the economy, worry about
healthcare and others, that tends to be a distraction for them.

(01:22:21):
Coming from the Republican they care less about Greenland than
they do about the green in their back pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Good point. Good point that is, you aren't saying there's
an affordability crisis in this country, because there is one
right now. You're just saying progress is being made in
that direction. Am I reading that right? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
And if I have young children basically thirty, in their thirties,
in their twenties, trying to buy homes or having bought
homes and looking at interest rates, or looking at the air,
looking at the economy in general, I see one of
the things that is fascinating, especially amongst young people, is
they continue to vote for this green agenda because what
they're not being told is is that is one of
the prime drivers core inflation of energy, inflation of indianability

(01:23:03):
to buy house, is the scarcity of housing. In sure,
you have an entire generation that has bought the myth
that somehow scarcity is a virtue and that they'll never
have the prosperity that their parents do. Well, that's because
of the democratic economic policies, and the large part of
that is going to be the Green New Deal, which
makes it so much more difficult to not only build
new houses, but to make them affordable on the first play.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
So, so where do we go from here? I mean,
I do think that everything. You just I have kids
that are in their twenties and they're not in position
to even consider home ownership at the moment, I think
people real politics are it is what they feel. Again,
I just I want to know will we be able
to I mean, I don't think the Democrats stand for anything.

(01:23:46):
I think their only playbook is to criticize everything around them.
They don't have anything that they can point to that's productive.
Does all of that criticism the affordability or anything else,
even if we have even if affordability still were claming
out of the problems of Democrats is being critical of
someone else without anything to bring to the table. Is

(01:24:07):
what's your prediction? I mean, off, you know, the mid
terms usually go to the party that didn't win the presidency,
So are they going to be successful? Just pointing fingers everywhere?

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Well, it can be, It can be in the past
if you think about it. I mean, granted, you and
I aren't. Aren't attracted to the warm embrace of the collection.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
No, I hate that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Maybe you vote, but we also understand why that that
why we find that repulsive in the first place. We
understand the history behind it and everything else. But when
people are very concerned, and when people are very scared
about the economic future, when they're worried about that of
their children, unless the Republicans articulate policies that are in

(01:24:48):
place and the policies that will come to continue to
move us toward making things more affordable. That leaves the
vacuum for the Democrats to simply complain and try to
erase history. And as you know, the Democrats spent the
last ten years trying to erase history all over the board.
Why wouldn't they try to erase their own?

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Oh true, thtis thanks for joining us. That is mccutter,
a contributor at American Greatness talking about the Democrats affordability ploy.
Some final thoughts coming up on the Rod and Greg
Joe next right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine kayn rs at the top of the hour.
You know, I love this. I saw this online today, Greg.
It's from a website called Redline News. Don't know what

(01:25:29):
that's all about, but they had a little diddy on
there called the Minnesota Fraud Squad. Okay, and if you
haven't heard or seen this yet, by the way, the
entire thing is up on our ex page. But I'm
gonna play just about a minute of it. But it's
a little the situation in Minneapolis with the fraud put
to music sit back and enjoy this.

Speaker 12 (01:25:50):
One ill hen came to Minnesota, cry and everything's unfair.
Then rubber stamped the fraud from school lunches through childcare.
She's sitting on thirty million dollars, not one honest receipt,
voter fraud all around her, but she swears she does

(01:26:13):
the cheat.

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
Minnesota got robbed in the broad daylight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Some all is in.

Speaker 13 (01:26:21):
Lamborghinis flying past.

Speaker 12 (01:26:24):
The red light and billion's gone missing and nobody can't
explain how.

Speaker 13 (01:26:30):
But the whole crew's getting deported and Tim Walls is
going down. Eighty crooks and cuffs were yelling where the
victim's here? Living large arm, kiddie lunches, lobster piled up.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
In the rear.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
That's a little portion of what is known as the
Minnesota Fraud Song from again Red Line News. If you
want to see the whole thing, it's up on our
X page. Just go to X and look for the
Rotting Greg Show. Also up there, all the people we
talked to, if they've written articles, we have those posted
up there as well. If you want to take a

(01:27:08):
look at him again, go to X and just search
for the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
That's right at Rotting Greg Show, and you can you'll
see them and these we have. You have a great rollodex.
You always find the good. You know, you got the
you got the A listers, right, great columns, they're they're
picked up nationally and they become our guests for the show. Yeah,
so their columns are worth reading for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah, and good stuff. And you know this whole thing.
I'm not sure what's going to happen with Homan going
to Minneapolis obviously, what happens with Christinome, who knows she's
been a fighter. What happens with Bovino. Apparently the reports
are he's either out or on his way out of Minnesota.
There will be some reduction in the number of agents there.

(01:27:50):
I'm not sure how far the President is willing to
go on this one to reduce the effort he's trying
to get done.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Yeah, he's not. And that's why I trust him and
I look forward to seeing how this is going to
roll out. Because one of the things that Walls is
telling the people that are mad that he'll even meet
with Trump is that Trump's been given misinformation. He he
was in our conversation, he had inaccurate information. And I
want to show him the truth. I look forward to
that discussion because I don't think that Trump is getting

(01:28:16):
any misinformation. I think he knows exactly what's going on
on the ground. And so they'll have that discussion, and
I I what I like about this president is he's
not afraid to meet with people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And then if they if you know, he'll do this
to Zelenski like in real time in the White House,
if they just go south on him, he'll call it
out and in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
In front of them sometimes them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
So if anything, they're going to snowball the President on
this or not, it's not going to work.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
All right, That doesn't for us. Tonight, as we say
each and every night, head off the shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family and this great count
your hours. Enjoy evening. We're back tomorrow, and have a
good night,

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