The Rod and Greg Show: Why Climate Alarmist Failed; Inflation is Dropping

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I just knew you were going to bring joyful because
you won. You know, this guy's been talking trash to
me all week long about how he's going to school
me on the course I am. And let me tell
you a word. Let me tell you so huh. If
there was a rented mule, it wouldn't be me. I'm
just going to leave it there, Leave it there. I'm

(00:20):
just going to say, one of us owned that course.
One of us was owned by that course. Well, and
here's this is where it was unfair. You are one
pathetic loser today.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I would agree I was a loser today. But I'm
talking to someone. I'm looking at somebody right now who
plays golf about three or four times a week. You
go early in the morning. You're always telling me, oh,
I want ela this morning. I've played golf twice since
about you.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know, No, that's not true. Yes, it is, because
you and I have played three times. No, I gotta
believe you've played more than just what I have. I
don't have time. I'm busy. Oh my gosh. Anyone who
knows your pickleball game knows you have plenty of time
for sports and recreation. Well, he'd be folks. He beat
me today by seven strokes. I didn't play nine holes

(01:12):
on nine holes.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Didn't play well. He played better than I think he's
ever played in life.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, that's not true. I had a triple bogey and
I only shot five overs. So do the math. That's
not a bad that's a couple of you. You hit
the ball well today. But I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I knew as soon as I turned on the microphone
you're going to bring this up to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I don't know why you thought that, but I'm glad
you no, but I'll tell you that. So it was
an overcast, it wasn't too hot. It was a little muggy.
It was a little unkey bit little muggy, but it was.
It was such a beautiful day. I couldn't I couldn't
find anything wrong with the way my days started today.
It was just wonderful, except for that triple bogey. Except
for that was I got inside those trees. I every

(01:51):
kid I tried to hit out of those trees, another
tree would say no. I had another one who next
tree said no. So I had to stay out of
the jail.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, it's great to be with you on this Friday afternoon.
We have got a lot to talk about today. We
are going to talk about why the climate alarmists have
failed duh, because nobody believed him.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
We'll talk about that. Do you realize Sunday marks the
six month mark President Trump's second term in office?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
This Sunday, This Sunday. Yeah, this Sunday, July twentieth. Wow, yeah,
six months. Well, the economy continues.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
For close six months. Boy, it's just just crawled alone.
I had crawled along.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
We'll talk about the economy signs that it is only
going to get better a little bit later on, we'll
talk about a new survey as to how you feel
about reforming higher education. I think, greg, there are a
lot of people out there who want to reform higher education,
including the President, which is good news.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
It is. And I you know, sometimes I think we
get so used to winning, and we have such a
strong appetite for it that if everything doesn't go our way,
you see people getting frustrated. I think we better take
careful inventory on things like the Department of Education, which
everybody has talked. Every Republican I've ever heard has talked
about defunding public education or the Department of Public Education

(03:07):
and block running that money back to states. It's never
ever happened. It's not come close to happening. It's happened. Yeh, NPR, PBS,
Why on earth in twenty twenty five would you would
the taxpayers need to subsidize radio and TV when you
have as many choices and as much market as you
do out there. I checked with my rural friends. They're
not living. They don't just know. Wait with baited breath

(03:30):
on what NPR and PBS are saying. They could care
less about those stations anyway, They're gone. Usaid all this
foreign money. Remember Trump was impeached for Collings Zelensky saying,
you know, you got to get that we're sending you
a lot of money. You got to clean up your house.
He got impeached over that phone call. And look at
how that filthy lucre they were throwing around everywhere internationally

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like that. That money's been defunded. So there is just
a thing's going on. Yes, I mean, I just think
the winds are piling up.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, listen to this audio sound like this from Rob Bluie.
Now you've had breakfast. We're Rob really good guy, Rob,
he's a good guy. Yeah, he's over the Daily Signal.
If you want a good website to look at every day,
take a look at the Daily Signal. But he was
on CNN talking about that this vote that was taken
last night, waiting for the President to sign it is
really just a first step.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
We have a thirty seven trillion dollar debt in this country.
We have to start chipping away at this or future
generations are not going to be able to afford all
of those things that our parents and grandparents and us
have been able to do. And if we don't get
this under control, there will be dramatic consequences to the
American people. And this is only nine billion dollars. What

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happens when we start cutting more funding. This is what
I mean. It's how difficult it is to get anything
done in Washington, and why I think we should still
give credit to Elon muss for pointing out some of
the waste, frauden abuse in our government.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know, and that is a good point. He may
have split with Donald Trump, and they may have their
disagreements now, but you know, Elon got this, got the
ball rolling at the request of the president, and a
hero to me. You know, I think I think this
wasteful spending and fraud goes so much deeper. I don't
know if we'll ever get to the bottom of it,
but we have at least we have an idea. Especially

(05:16):
with us A, I D and with with UH the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting, we got an idea.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, I got to tell you we there's been a
Friday afternoon document dump in DC with this new information
about the about how the Obama administration was hand and
glove involved with their communicating our intelligence community community in
fabricating the Russian hoax. I mean the Telsey Gabbard has
put out in a post more information than that Special

(05:45):
Investigator Durham for four years or two years couldn't come
up with more at least for the public to know about. UH.
There is there is so much information coming out in
real time this Friday afternoon that I again it's they're
like smoking gun. They've got They've even got it to
the Steele dossier, Fusion GPS, the people that pushed that

(06:07):
were also used to work for the Wall Street Journal,
who also came up with this weird card story that
Trump made this typed out this like card card card
to Epstein, which now he's suing the Wall Street Journal
for and they're all the same familiar characters. There's actually
like a flow chart between that Wall Street Journal and
who wrote it all the way up to the Steele dossier.

(06:29):
These people are all they're all that they're in cahoots. Yeah,
they are.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, speaking of hoaxes, there is another hoax, this time
out of Los Angeles, where the Mayor Karen Bass spread
the alleged hopes greg claiming that I tried to force
an illegal migrant mom to self deport.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
In other words, they were arresting grandma. Well guess what.
That report has also turned out to be a hoax.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Apartment of Justice has followed criminal charges against the South
LA woman saying she staged a fake immigration kidnapping. Furiana
Julie Calderon is facing charges of conspiracy and making false
statements to federal officers. Last month, the local activist said
she was taken from a South LA parking lot my
so called bounty hunters and into federal custody. She also

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claimed she was held at a facility near the border.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Where she was urged to self deport.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Homeland Security called this case a hoax and say they
found her on July fifth at a shopping center in Bakersfield.
They also say phone records and surveillance video proves her
story is not true. She is currently in custody awaiting
her first court appearance.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, of course, Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles,
jumped on this story when at first surfaced Greg Lis,
she texted this, She's a mother from La taken out
of her car on her way to work and then
held in a warehouse as officers hoped she would self deport.
No hearing, just fear. This doesn't make anyone any safer.
That's what the mayor of loss without the facts, without

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knowing the real story, that's what she claimed happen.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, I'll tell you this this Julie Calderon was her name,
Julie Calderan. Yeah, yeah, I don't think she just came
up with this on her own. I think you've got
leftists and were trying to fabricate stories. I want her
to turn as a confidential informant. I want her to
turn on these people that paid her for this STI
I don't think she just decided Hey, I know she
woke up with Mariy said, I know, I'm going to
create this elaborate hoax so I can accuse Ice of

(08:26):
doing all these things. She was absolutely put up to this,
and I wanted I want her to be able to
nark out all the people that are actually trying to
do this, because this isn't the only time this is
going to happen. This is going to happen over and
over and over again, because they really want to confuse
the public about who the good guys are and who
the bad guys are. They want to make Ice into
the oppressors, and these people that have committed crimes as

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the victims, and we can't let them get away with it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, I think one thing we all need to learn, Greg,
Like you said, do not let them get away with it.
When you hear a story like this, don't jump on
it right away. Investigate, find out what really happened. I
wonder how much this called her own woman got paid.
I know she must have gotten waid. There's some money
somewhere that's hidden to protect her. But it's what's going
on out there.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You're not They're not. You're not going to go out
of your way to make such a makeup, such an
elaborate tale, unless you've been compensated. It has to be
worth your while. I'm sure this one is not bored
just sitting around wondering what to do next. Yeah, this
is this is just I think she got caught in
something and it's a lot bigger than just this individual.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
All right, We've got a lot to get to a busy,
busy Friday, and we hope you join us for the
ride home as we head into the weekend with the
Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five to nine. Okay, nrs. The President announced
today the Justice Department now asking a federal judge to
unseal grand jury testimony from the prosecution in the Jeffrey
Epstein case. The President announced that today that's the story

(09:50):
that will not go away, and that's why I want
to bring on our next guest, David Harzani, senior writer
at the Washington Examiner. David, thanks for joining us. I
know we're going to talk about your article on h
climate alarmist has failed. We'll get to that in a second, David,
But with this news coming out on the Epstein files,
you wrote about that today as well. What's her all
of overall assessment as to what's going on here, David.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Boy, it's a pretty big topic. I'd say that that
there's no winning really here now for the administration, honestly,
because you know, you can release the grand jury testimony
if it doesn't have the kind of drama that people
are seeking, they're just going to say that, you know,
you're holding fbis holding back files or whatever if it
has stuff in there. You know, grand juries here all

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kinds of evidence course, you know, like hearsay and you
know everything that's out there. It's not a trial, so
it doesn't mean everything everyone says in a grand or
here is in a grand jury. You know, testimony is true,
and everyone's going to just make the assumption that everything
is true. So you know, I don't know, and I
believe you know. I mean Trump administration brought this on

(10:57):
themselves a bit by not a bit a lot, by
fanning these slaves, and now.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
I don't think they can really put them out. It's
going to be difficult.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
So does the bottom line mean do you suspect that
people will be their reputations will be ruined by this
just by mere association, Because you're right, I mean, one
side gets to put their entire case in front of
a grand jury. There's no cross examination or anything. Do
you think this is going to harm people if that
is released?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe I'm in a minority camp.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
I just don't think there's a lot of there there.
I mean, I think everything was just a monstrous person
and a horrible person.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
But just because you know, he kind of made friends with.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
All kinds of powerful people and everything else, doesn't mean
that they're all pedophiles.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
And the way that we smear people just for knowing him,
I think is wrong. And you know, I mean, it's
a complicated case.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Obviously.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I understand why people have questions kill themselves. I understand
why people are suspicious of that. But I think we
let in recent years, we let our how can I say,
our conspiratorial nature take.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
A little bit too much of us, and.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
We live in a bubble online and everyone's going nuts
and you start believing things that probably aren't true. The
world is not a thriller novel, and not everything is
as dramatic as people think.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Good points, David.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
David.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now, let's talk about your article you wrote this week
as well about climate and alarmist and why they've failed.
What do you think happened to that in that case, David,
Did they go again too far and trying to scare
the daylights out of us?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think that's the key.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
There was a poll I saw on CNN that prompted
this column where that same number of people, I think
it's around forty percent twenty in two thousand we're nervous
about climate change, and the same number now after spending
I don't know how many billions, and you know, in
schools and in culture and everywhere else trying to scare people.
I think the part that I think you're right. I

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think what they'd make predictions, it wouldn't come true. People
wouldn't believe it. They'd ratchet it up each time instead
of being more judicious about what they were saying. And
we're getting to a point where we can look back
at what people were saying, like an Inconvenient Truth by
Al Gore, we can look and see their predictions, and
we can see that they were completely long and at
the world in many ways as much better than it was.

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So I think that's the main reason people aren't very scared.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
So it's to me it's always been a power play.
It's to compel human behaviors. It never made any sense
to me that China would be exempt from any of
this and the carbon footprint they would create, yet everybody
else would have to run to the Paris Accord and
follow it. It just seemed like it was just a
way to maybe limit resources for mass populations, and then

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they could dolvo out those resources as they want, and
our liberties would go be threatened or diminished in the process.
But now I think everybody needs more power ai, the
need for these rare minerals, Isn't it The case? That
may be part of the reason why the green climate,
the climate it or whatever it is, the agenda has

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faded is because it works against their own self interests Now.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I think that's true in some ways.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
I mean, we're rich enough here, we've been wealthy enough
that we can kind of play around with solar or
you know, sort of placate people a little bit to
make them feel better. Almost, yeah, you know, in almost
like a religious thing in a way where you're just
doing it. You know, Listen, this is how I've always
thought about it. People, I know, even people who claim
to believe that the world is going to end.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
In ten years.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Don't act like it at all, Like no one is
really giving up anything at all for this, And that
tells me they don't actually believe what's happening. And the
truth is the like you say, the things that they
wanted to do, the prescriptions to cure this thing, to
change the weather, are not reachable, right, so you make
it impossible and people are going to.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Want to participate.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
I've always thought, and we've been doing this since the
beginning of time. We adapt to weather. We don't try
to change the weather, and we do a great job
of adapting. My thing is, like, there are so many
people that in so many minds and so much treasure
that we've used to try to change climate, whether it
could have been used for adaptation or other things or
other energies that weren't predetermined by the government that might

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have been even better. We like wasted a generation of talent,
you know, I mean, I think that's tragic in a way.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, it is, David.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
David, when when do you think we started turning the
corner to common sense? I mean, when did we all
of a sudden this was that under the Biden years
and all these just crazy rules and regulations on gas
doves and you know, the type of shower you can
take and the car you can drive. Did that just
push the American people to say, wait a minute here,
this had really gone too far.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
I think I think that's right.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, I think it happened gradually, you know, when
AOC released a Green New Deal or whatever it's called,
and people are like, what you know. I mean, it's
just like insane stuff that we know we're not going
to be able to do. But you'll notice everyone is mad, everybody.
You know, everyone claims that the world or on the left,
that the world's going to end. But every time oil,
you know, gas prices go up, but they're immediately panic

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like everyone else, because energy is the lifeblood of modernity,
and they claim they want to overturn midernity and you
can't do it. And then they also claim that there's
no price to pay for it, which everyone knows intuitively
or because they're rational, that is just not how the
world works. They were always trade offs, and I don't
think we should have to pay the trade offs for
some kind of theory about what the climate's going to

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be twenty years from now. And when your predictions don't
come true and no one's going to want to do.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It, David is always great insight and great thoughts on this.
Appreciate your time and enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
David. Thank you, you two guys, thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right all right on our Newsmaker line, David Harzani. He
is with the Washington Examiner talking about climate alarmist and
why they failed. And I think Greg, we got to
the point in this country where there was just so
much everything the administration under Joe Biden was trying to do.
Well just laughed at it and we said, come on,
move on, folks. I mean, there were so many ridiculous

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things they wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know, I agree with you, but I will tell you,
I think a lot of us were resigned to the
insanity continuing forward unless it could be interrupted by say
a Trump president.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I mean you had all those pizza shops that were
not gonna be able to do their you know, their
woodburn stove, you know, wood ovens or whatever. And I
mean it was the low flow showers and toilets. I mean,
this thing was just going out of I mean they
were telling you couldn't use gas for your your stoves.
But I don't know that it was that the consumers
or the Americans felt like they could turn any of

(17:31):
that around. I think it took a president that was
going to take these regulations and put them in the
round file, in the garbage. Yeah, good point.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
All right, more coming up the Rod and Gregg Show
on this Friday afternoon in Utah's talk radio one oh
five nine k NRS. Bombshell. She just dropped it on
the Russian collusion hopes. I mean it should terrify every
American out there. I mean, it is frightening the information
that we're now.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Seeing, folks. I will tell you she's done a very
good job. And she's also put graphics to it. So
it's a little because there's so much information. I think
a lot of times it's just hard to absorb all
the and so the dates and the times from the
time that Trump won in twenty sixteen and the about
face that the intelligence community made about there was absolutely
no Russian or Moscow involvement in our relate in our elections,

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and no cyber influence whatsoever to the next day after
President Obama had met with Clapper and Brennan and all
these others that it was they were involved, and you
and and she takes you through the day by Dave
that December sixth, seventh, eighth, and then the big meeting
on the ninth in the with President Obama where they
now say where they just flip the script entirely and

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say there was involvement. When you go through this, you
will learn more than all the so called investigations that
have ever happened up until now. I mean, there's a
lot of people that have known a lot of things,
but I haven't seen it so clearly laid out as
this post by Telsea Gabbertt is. And I'll tell you
this is. I mean, she usual, she has pig pictures
of the real documents with their with their assessment there

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was no involvement, and then they flip ith on, yeah
it's on X, it's on And hers is what her
attack is at d NI Gabbard is her is her account,
it's her I think it's her official account.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, what is so frightening about this? They were told
time and time again prior to the election greg that
there was no Russian interference. Trump wins, Obama and his
little gang of thugs get together and say, well, we
need to turn this script, and then they start leaking
it to the media, and the media picks this up
greg because of their dislike of Donald Trump tump Trump,

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and start running with it, and we had this Washington Washington.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Post gets two Pulitzer Prizes for parroting this intelligence community's
absolute lie. By the way, in this December ninth White
House meeting from a scheduled from I'm looking at the
agenda from eleven thirty am to one thirty pm. Who's
who participants in that meeting, Susan Rice. You have James
Clapper from and you have Andrew McCabe, you have John Brennan,

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you have John Kerry, who at the time was the
Secretary of State, all the you know, all the usual
suspect suspects.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, this is worse than Watergate. We all thought
Watergate was horrible. This is unbelievable. It is it, really
it is. It is well. Coming Sunday, it will be
six months since Donald Trump was inaugurated to be President
of the United States for the second time. All the
fears about what would happen with the economy, well apparently
it hasn't happened. Inflation is slowing, and there's signs it's

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only going to get better. Joining us on our newsmaker
line right now is EJ and Tony. He is a
research fellow of public Finance at the Heritage Foundation. EJ
has been a guest before. Great to have you back on.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
EJ.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
Shaw.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
You say there's a sign showing the economy could get
even better. What signs are you seeing out there?

Speaker 8 (20:52):
Well, in short, we have a lot of economic indicators
that are all moving in the right direction, and they
typically tell us what what's going to happen in the future. Obviously,
there's not a tremendous amount of certainty there right the
future is always uncertain. But as more and more of
these indicators continue lining up and continue pointing in the

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right direction, that makes us increasingly confident that we're going
to see better and better conditions in the future. And
I think that's part of the reason why when when
we look at polling of whether it's consumers or business leaders,
and among businesses, it's true for both manufacturing and in
the service sector, we continue to see better and better
sentiment and better and better expectations coming out of again,

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both businesses and consumers.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
EJ. How much of your opinion in terms of being
bullish about the economy going forward and the good reports
that we have coming in. How much of this is
a perception of what's to come and how much of
it's on the ground happening in real time.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
Good good question. I would say it's pretty split still. Initially,
when Trump was first elected, we saw small business optimism.
This is a good example. It exploded at the fastest
pace since November of twenty sixteen, the last time he won,
And so, in other words, small business got really really excited.

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Now that has come down pretty substantially. It's still better
than it was in October of last year before Trump
got elected, but it has come down substantially. So some
of the positive indicators are increasingly shifting away from expectations
and hope to actual reality.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Jay, you write in your article about energy and how
important energy.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Is in all of this.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Can you explain that the energy agenda, what the president
is trying to do, is it in full swing? Ends
of yet? What are your thoughts on energy and its
relationship to a strong economy.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
Well, I think we really underestimate just how much energy
affects the price of literally everything we do and everything
we buy. It's not just simply when you go and
fill up your tank, whether it's gas or diesel, every week.
It's not just that when you're paying for energy. It's
every time you use a computer. It's every time you
use any kind of public transit, whether it's a plane

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or a train. It's literally baked into the price of
every product and every service. If you're at the grocery
store and you grab a gallon of milk off the shelf,
or you grab a loaf of breads and ground beef,
any of anything at the grocery store, how did it
get there. It got there on a truck, It got
there using energy. The grocer uses energy to climate control

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the store, to keep the lights on, et cetera. So
I mean literally, energy is in the price of everything.
So with that being said, if you can bring down
the price of energy, you bring down an inputs input
cost that is seen throughout the economy. And when you
bring down so ubiquitous a price as energy, you end
up reducing prices everywhere. And that's a key part of

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this president's agenda, and it's also a key reason why
inflation has slowed most months this year. Inflation has been
trending down, and that's because energy prices fell that month.
The only month inflation went back up was because energy
prices went up that month as well. And so the
President it's essentially a whole of government approach that they're taking.
They're doing regulatory reform, they're using legislation to get rid

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of punitive taxes on coal, on oil, on natural gas.
They're ending subsidies for failed so called green energy like
solar and wind. I mean, they really are throwing everything
in the kitchen sink at this problem, because that's what
you need. It took a hole of government approach to
create the problem, to get us into this mess. It's
going to take a hole of government approach to get

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us out.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I feel like I try to stay pretty in tune
with what's happening in the news, and especially with tariffs
and so, but I have to admit I don't know
what deals have been done, what deals are still on
the table being negotiated. I'm hearing of surplus first time.
We've had a plus in June of twenty four billion dollars.
A lot of that's being attributed to increased tariff revenue

(25:05):
that's coming in so it says to me that there
are tariff agreements that are happening in real time, maybe
even different than they've been in the past. What is
the status of that and is whatever that is baked
into the forecast that you have and many others have
in terms of where the economy is going? Are you
baking in where we stand with tariffs or where we don't.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Well, almost all of the deals that we've seen so
far are basically just preliminary. There's really nothing that is inked,
so to speak. Nothing is set in stone at this point. Okay,
so what we essentially have when it comes to tariffs
is mostly hope. And yeah, I don't say that just pejoratively.
You know, we've made tremendous progress in a lot of

(25:46):
these deals, even the preliminary ones. I think we're probably
pretty close to other deals, specifically in the Pacific, whether
that's India or Australia or Japan. We already got Indonesia,
that was a big one. It's important for us to
get trade deals with China's main trading partners, by the way,
because we want to peel those different nations out of

(26:07):
China's sphere of influence. But even if it's ones closer
to home, whether it's the UK or Canada or Mexico.
You know, the preliminary deal we have with the UK
is certainly an improvement over the status quo. And when
it comes to a nation like Canada or Mexico, you know,
just literally a matter of weeks ago, Canada was set
to impose a digital services tax on US, which is

(26:28):
basically a tariff exclusively on American tech companies, and the
President said, oh, no, you don't. We're not even going
to negotiate anymore if you do that. And immediately after that,
I mean, it wasn't even a matter of weeks, it
was a matter of days. Canada said, ha ha, just kidding,
We're not going to do that. So in that regard,
I say that because in that regard, the negotiations are

(26:51):
actually already bearing fruit. Even if you don't have a
deal signed, so to speak, you've already avoided a tax
on American companies.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
J final quest for you this Sunday, of course, I
think mark's the sixth month mark for the Trump administration
his second time around. How remarkable has the progress been
on inflation? In your opinion? In his first six months.

Speaker 8 (27:13):
Well, he's he's certainly doing better than I thought he
was going to in all honesty, but that's not to
say I didn't have faith in the man or. I
didn't believe in the agenda, but it's just more so
I did not think he was going to make this
much progress this quickly. I thought it would basically be
closer to the end of the year before we saw
the inflation numbers come down as much as they have.
So I'm very very hopeful, you know, with with Trump

(27:36):
running the White House, with Scott Bessett running the Treasury,
that that we are essentially going to keep making good progress.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Now.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
If we could just get a FED chair in there
who would cooperate with us, all these things would be great.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
They would be thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
E j Antni he is with the Heritage Foundation and economists.
They were talking about the good shape that the economy
is in right now and where may be headed even better.
We can only hope, right but apparently greg social media
videos are claiming that animals are fleeing Yellowstone National Park
in large numbers. Why National Park says that's wrong, that's

(28:13):
not happening. Videos on Instagram and other platform show bears
bison and other animals native to the park, which is mainly,
of course, we know in Wyoming streaming past park cars.
The NBS believes the videos are satirical and produced using
artificial intelligence. Wildlife is not leaving Yellowstone National Park in

(28:35):
large numbers. This rumor is totally according to the National
Parks Service, that's.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
A traffic management plan gone awry. Okay, don't even bother
coming posts because they all just lily. There was an exodus.
We can't tell you why. They just all ran.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, apparently it's a hoax. The National Park Service says
animals are not leaving the park. So if you're headed
that way in the coming weeks for a little vacation,
don't worry.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
He'll still see where the buffalo roam. Yep. Yeah, don't
let him trick yet.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, all right, coming up, it is thank Ron and
Greg and Friday. We've got a lot to talk about,
reviewing the issues that we've talked about this week, and
we'll talk a little bit more about this new information
on the Russian hopes.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
All coming up to stay with us. There's just a
lot breaking, yeah, or at least a lot of reactions
to the information. The document dump that happened in DC
on a Friday afternoon hot August or July day.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, we'll share that with you in just a second.
But before we went to news at the tap of
the hour, I had this story about the National Park Service,
yes right, denying that animals are fleeing Yellowstone National Park.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes, and we didn't like what would be the strategy.
Guess what we have the smartest listeners are they headed?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Maybe there's an arc being built and they got the
message to load up.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's going to rain, it's going to start for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, here I want to let you hear from one
of our great listeners who used the talkback line to
tell us what he actually thinks is going on with
that story, which, by the way, the National Park Services
denign that animals are not fleeing the park. But listen
to what this listener had to say.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
Hey, Rod and Greg, this is James and Orum just
wanted to comment on that yellow animals fleeing Yellowstone situation.
Underneath Yellowstone there's a lot of seismic, seismic and volcanic activity.
It's called a caldera. And so whoever made that was

(30:29):
trying to scare people to think that the animals knew
that it was going to erupt. If it erupts, it's
supposed to take out.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Three So trying to scare kind to scare us, Yeah,
it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I didn't know anything about the caldera, so I didn't
know that I even know it was that scary. It
didn't work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, normally at this time every Friday, of course, we
open up the phones to you. We call it Thank
Rod and Greg is Friday, so you can talk about anything.
We'll get to I think a very important story that
Greg and I will talk about here in just a minute.
But here are some of the issues that we talked
about this week if you want to comment on them.
We talked about bike lanes and boy did that generate
a lot of phone calls this week. Bike lanes Utah.

(31:09):
We talked about the the the what five hour hearing
in Utah County I think that was on Wednesday about
ICE working with local law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Official five hours not one member of the public supported.
Everybody in Utah County apparently is opposed to ICE and
County sheriff working together.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, well yeah, right, yeah. We'll talk about Epstein. New
information out today on Epstein, the President releasing more information.
We'll talk about the kisscam story.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Social media is having a field day with this story. Now,
if you aren't aware of this story, this is the
CEO of some New York based company, I think it's
called Astronomer at a Coldplay concert, right, and hugging a
woman the HR director of his company, who was not
his wife. And they they saw that they saw their

(32:01):
picture coming up on the kiss cam and they dove
for cover. Yes, yeah, the guy was caught red handed.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
They hadn't acted that way, maybe, you know, the picture
wouldn't have gone viral because they made it pretty obvious
that they did not want to be seen. I looked
pretty guilty. But the HR director's job is like to
make sure that these so the situations don't happen. It's
not supposed to be at the epicenter of the biggest
one ever happening.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
No, So we can talk about that because social media.
You do something like this now and social media is
going to have a field that you were just showing me.
They're now someone's put up lego models.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, he showed you the Lego. They got muppets too.
They had Piggy Miss Piggy had bow I think it
was Bowser as a side guy. I don't know. It
just looks like it's taking a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
We can talk about that. We can talk about their
new TSA rules. We mentioned last week, Greg that the
TSA announced you don't have to take your shoes off anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Now they're talking about loosening the liquid restrictions.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh hallelujah. Can you believe that all your makeup that
you use not my makeup, man, but you know I
got product. I never have these tiny little containers. Well,
they're looking and if you want, we can talk about Colbert.
The Colbert Show lost forty million dollars a year and
they're paying him twenty. Man and they're paying him twenty

(33:17):
do you wonder? Do you have any any you're trying
to guess why would CBS cancel a show like that.
They're losing forty million dollars a year? Oh great, Rod,
So you want to threaten democracy. The only way democracy
was going to survive is if CBS lost forty million
dollars a year and they would complain, anyone would complain.

(33:37):
You need to pay him twenty and lose forty or
there is no democracy in this country. Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
So lines are open to you eight eight eight five
seven oaight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven
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Speaker 1 (33:51):
You can get that.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Just go to download the iHeartRadio app, look up kN
RS and up in the right hand corner you'll see
a little microphone. Or you can call us on our
are toll free pound two to fifty number and leave
a comment or talk about whatever you want. Now, the
one thing that Greg and I have been reading for
the last half hour forty five minutes, this document dump

(34:12):
today this afternoon by D and I director Tulci Gambert,
about the whole Russian hopes story. And boy, Greg, all
fingers are pointing toward one man, Barack Obama. And this
is a frustration Greg, you and I related to Epstein. Okay,
there are a lot of people out there who just
feel people are getting away with near near murder. Okay, yes,

(34:36):
and they they, you know, they they thought Donald Trump
would bring in an age of accountability and call these people. Well,
here you have another classic case of Obama, Comy, Brennan, Clapper,
even Hillary getting involved in this Russian hoax and nobody
is being held accountable for it.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, and I'll tell you this if you look at
the aftermath, so you see, I mean Telca Gabbert puts
out there these timelines that started as far back as
August of twenty sixteen before the election, September of twenty sixteen,
before the election, and then post election in the days
before this big meeting on December ninth, where the intelligence

(35:17):
community is saying resolutely, factually that the Russia and they
had nothing to do with any influence of the election
at all, nothing and nothing. They couldn't find anything further,
would it say, further input or further advice. In other words,
President Obama told them no, no, no, you're putting this together

(35:38):
like it's like it's real. So they said they dropped
the presidential briefing was going to say the day before
he had that briefing, was going to say there was
no involvement. One day later, it says that Moscow and
Putin himself were all was were involved in influencing the
outcome of the twenty sixteen election. It's the documents she provides,

(36:00):
the screenshots of them. This isn't what she's saying she's
showing and highlighting the documents where this actually it's the case.
I don't know how they Maybe this is why when
it was said that they were going after what was it,
Komy and Brennan, Maybe they want them to sell out
the rest of them. Because it's a crowded room that's
got Susan Rice in it, It's got a lot of
people in there, including the former president of the United States,

(36:22):
looking to weaponize that. The intelligence community.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, here's what's so crazy about the story. As you
were claiming, Greg starting in August, they started looking at
you know, is Russia involved in all of this, and
every report that kept on coming back saying Russian didn't
have Russia didn't have the technology putin was not interfering
with this. It was saying, over and over and over again.
Hillary loses.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Early in December, Barack Obama calls the meeting together. Before
that meeting, there is an intelligence briefing being put together
that again says Russian. Russia had nothing to do with
this story. As a matter of fact, a source with
in the State Department or the intelligence communtity says, we'll
put this out. They're stopped by a supervisor and says, no,

(37:07):
that's not the story that needs to be told. Well,
wait a minute, wait a minute, nothing's here. New information
has come forth that we're going to go. And you
know what that new information is the Steele dossier, which
they all knew from the very beginning was a was
a tool being used by the Hillary campaign to discredit
Donald Trump and to say that his election was not legitimate.

(37:30):
Yet they claim this document, which was fake, is really
the reason Russia.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
They had and they had down the chain of command
already had determined that that was not was not accurate,
It was not it was not valid. And and all
of that we now know was created because when Hillary
Clinton's emails that she had when she was Secretary of
State and that she sent to a private server in
her basement, she was breaking the law when she did that,

(37:56):
and it turns out that her private server in her
base had been hacked by foreign countries. And in her
attempt to inoculate herself from that illegal not only is
it careless, not only is it dangerous, it's illegal, but
to inoculate herself from that story, which was true, they
came up with this Russian hoax, this dossier to try

(38:17):
and say no, that's Russia trying to accuse Hillary Clinton
of something that's bad because they want to influence the
election for Trump. It was all meant as a defense
against that real story about her emails getting in the
hands of the wrong people from her basement server. That's
why they created it. Well, when she loses, they try
to prop that up as a valid story and BARACKO

(38:41):
President Obama runs with it and says, absolutely, we're going
to do this, and then Susan Rice in January writes
a weird email to herself. President says that we have
to do this completely by the book. He is not
asking us to look into anything. He's not asking us
when you take that email, Susan Rice wrote in January, now,
seeing the timeline and the actual documents of what they

(39:01):
were discussing and what they were planning to do, all
that thing was was a c ya. That was a
let's let's make let me bury. We'll let someone ask
for this document that shows how you know, Lily White,
the president was in his concern about this issue. That
thing was a ruse and it was made you know,
and I'm sure they said go ask for that government record.

(39:23):
So you can get it and it'll show that this
internal email was that the President wants everything done by
the book.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think the fear comes down to this, Greg. This
is a classic example of a government official or official
using the power of government to go after a political opponent.
I mean that, and the fear among the American people
is they could do the same thing to any individual
out there. And that's the fear.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
And think about this now that we know that this happened,
and Comy was in these meetings. Now think about when
he walked into the White House and bragged later about
how Trump let him into the White House without a
you know, getting clearance ahead of time, didn't make sure
they knew what they were there for. And they went
after Flynn, General Flynn, and he bragged about how they
were so they were such amateurs they let them into

(40:11):
the building. Think about what he what his directive was
prior in December, before he was sworn in January, to do.
They were to make him look like he was a trader,
that he had colluded with Russia. He walks in there
and therein begins the all the arrests. I mean, remember
they poor Flynn was never the same I think he
lost his family fortune. I think he lost all of

(40:32):
his money trying to defend himself against the FBI. And
just think about this.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
The Washington Post won major awards for this fake story,
and think about this. No one is held accountable lens
of yet and I really doubt.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Greg if they ever will be man this stuff, part
of this this These documents, though, are so incriminating. But anyway,
I'd love to see US attorney. A former US attorney
for Utah, Brett said that this treason. This isn't this
isn't a revenge, This is reckoning. He has the experience
of having been a United States attorney, so he has

(41:07):
the experience and he has a legal knowledge. So I'd
love to hear from him.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Maybe we're trying to get him on the show next week,
maybe Monday, and talk to him about this amazing story.
All right, A lot to talk about with you tonight.
Your thoughts on any of these issues and this late
breaking news that is coming out tonight, this big document dump.
It is the Rotten Greg Show. Eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
pound two to fifteen and say hey, Rod, talk to
us about many of the topics that we've explored this week,

(41:31):
from bike lanes to ice and deputies, to the kisscam,
to TCA rules to Colbert, you name it. The Big
story document dump just about a couple of hours ago
from D and I director Telca Gabbert basically saying here
and she lays itself so perfectly, Greg about Barack Obama, Clapper, Brennan, Comy,

(41:52):
you name it, all involved in this Russian hoax which
they knew, They knew the Russians had no way of
influencing the election, but after Donald Trump won, they turned
that around. They convinced the media to pick up on
these leaked that the Russians were involved and the Russian
hopes begins. And you know, they just dumped this about

(42:13):
an hour hour and a half ago. What you know,
the legacy media, you know, the Washington Post, you know,
the New York Times are not going to do this story.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
They're going to pick up this story at all. They've
they've been paying the very conspirators and here the people
that are in that December ninth meeting have been their
paid contributors. Yes, ever since Trump actually yeah, after they
went out of office in sixteenth through that first term
CNN paid all these people to say this every day,
to be on their station and talk like they came

(42:44):
from some place of knowledge instead of the you know,
the hatching the plan and implementing the plan. I mean,
I they I don't know if CNN knew it. They
probably didn't, but they were. They were, Yes, they were
part of the problem here, not problem, part of the crime.
It's I want to see what happens with with how
this is laid out. I don't know how on earth

(43:05):
this can be just nothing to see here, folks. This
cannot be a mostly peaceful protest as the building burns
behind you. I mean, this is these people acted, and
you know, they tried to take down a president we
elected president.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Do you get a sense of the frustration Greg reading
this stuff today? A sense of frustration on the part
of Donald Trump. He knew the Russians were not interfering
in this campaign, he knew that in his heart, he
knew that, and he kept on denying it and defending himself.
But the legacy media, the Democrats just kept on pounding,

(43:41):
piling on. Yet here he is standing up saying they
had nothing to do with this, and this is all
fake and news and.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
It is fake news. Muller just sat on this for
years and years, knowing he couldn't find a single thing.
And then he didn't even have he had an attorney
general and was it is Sessions which one I can't
remember Alabama, And he had to accuse himself out of
anything over anything having to do with Russia. So he
didn't even have an attorney general that could weigh in

(44:08):
and protect the truth, to even fight for the truth.
He didn't even have an age that could do it.
If he fired him and tried to put someone else in, oh,
that was going to be him, you know, you know,
trying to game it. He was. He was so unbelievably
unfairly treated, and we as the American people, were harmed.
Look at all the good things that have happened up
right now. This guy did a lot of accomplished a

(44:30):
lot during his first term. But what would that term
have looked like if he hadn't been under siege from
this weaponization of our federal law enforcement and intelligence community.
The way that he had, you know, the way he
endured it.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Allable and knowing Greg that in his first term he
didn't have the team behind him that he has today.
So sometimes I wonder, are we better off today that
he lost in twenty twenty and came back in twenty
twenty four. We are better off, are we? Are we?
I think about that a lot. Because he didn't have

(45:02):
the team behind him. I don't think he really understood Washington.
That four year break give him a chance to understand
Washington and get the people he needs to accomplish the
goals that he set out to do.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
So A listener just sent and sent a text an image.
It's a screenshot of an ex post from March thirteenth,
twenty twenty two. It's from Mitt Romney. It says, Tulsi
Gabbard is parroting false Russian propaganda. Her treasonous lies may
well cost lives. I'd love I would love to know

(45:38):
how Mitt Romney is digesting this document dump, this evening,
all the information that's coming out, all that set up
this entire fabricated narrative of Russia being involved in that election.
I wonder where Mitt Romney if he thinks that he was,
if he harshly judged Tulsi Gabbard. Now, I wonder if
he feels like he got jeeped a little bit. Was

(45:59):
he involved that, you know, did he know as well?
The way he attacked Tulsea Gabbert and the way she
is now bringing out this information and making it transparent
for us to see. Well, he'll never admit it. It's
it's an interesting thing. This guy didn't pick a whole
lot of fights. He always want to be seen as
a nice guy. But boy, when he picked him, he
had some pretty cutting things to say. He accused her

(46:19):
of treason, and at the time we all talked about
what treason means. I mean it is it is punishable
by death. I mean, at least on the books, it
hasn't been used that way. But for him to go
after her that hard, and now for her to be
the purveyor of the truth the way she is, boy,
doesn't put him in a very good light.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
Does it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
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Speaker 1 (46:53):
I came in at one point thirty today so I
could do victory laps in this station. Yeah, because everybody
your score. Yeah, I had to make sure everybody here new.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I'm surprised you have. I'm surprised you haven't posted the
score all over the place.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Well don't. It's the days, young day. Okay, all right,
I got an app for that, you know, right here
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
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Speaker 1 (47:31):
Okay, let's go. We have some color. We have a
color waiting. Let's go to Aaron from Smithfield slash Altuona
p A. Aaron, Welcome to the Riding Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
How you doing, guys?

Speaker 10 (47:43):
As a as a path resident of Pennsylvania. We all
know that the Oatmont just hosted the US Open this year,
that's right, uh huh, And and how slippery and powerful
that course is. And I actually just came back from
a trip from Scotland to Prestwick, which was the first
British Open or how called the Open? Yes, and actually

(48:05):
I had the opportunity to play Saint Andrew's, which is
fun to play in thirty mile an hour win and
that's at least ten strokes. That's at least ten strokes.
And I've got a trip planned for Black Desert in September.
But I hear all this bragging on here.

Speaker 7 (48:22):
I want to know. I want to know what your
handicaps are and is this five over in eighteen holes
or is this in nine holes? It was okay? And
are well are we taking five foot give me potts
or we finish it it off?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
No? No, now, if it's if it's super close, we're
given those. But Aaron, I'm not Look, I will come clean.
I'm a sixteen point eight and I mean I got
it on my app sixteen point eight handicaps, so I'm
a bogie golfer.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
You know.

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Then we're pretty close. I'm a fifteen so yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
So but I'm telling you I triple bogie nine holes,
five over on nine holes, but one of them I
was three over, So I felt pretty good about that today.
Now now, Rod, I don't even want to say his
score over the air because I don't you know he
still has to have some credibility here.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
You beat me by seven strokes, yes, so, but I
have not. In my defense, I have not played a
lot this year, and and I hit the ball well,
it just didn't go in the right direction all the time.
And on one hole I hit a tree twice.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So what he's doing after.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Yeah, well, I usually hear the beating goes the other way.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
So that you know what. That is so true, and
he always rubs it in always, so I have to
take my wins when I get him, because you know,
he is so old. And then when he out drives me,
it is he's the only guy that can out drive
me where it just eats me alive because he shouldn't age.
It's very, very very so.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
All right, guys, Well, I hope I run into you
in the course somewhere.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
That's right, you're a stick. I didn't know you played
so much golf. Andrews. Yeah, that's good. You've been there, No,
I haven't. I thought you've been there. I've never golfed
over there, and you know, I wouldn't do it for
the history, but honestly, watch the golf this weekend and
he just talked about those thirty mile an hour winds.
It looks cold. It's super windy y. I mean the

(50:10):
I mean it's course.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Let's be honest. The courses are not pretty.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
No, they're not. Now, I do have this what I
call the Carnoustie, you know, choke down four iron used
to be. I don't have a three iron anymore. But
it's like at three o'clock, nine o'clock sway. It's supposed
to keep it low. That doomed me today. In that
part five, I was in this jail of trees. I
was trying to do that little stinger out of there,
and I just I just kept finding trees.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, yeah, we should invite listens to play golf with those.
We were very entertaining on a golf course.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, we do not.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
We give each other so much crap on a golf course.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, because the balls above my feet and I call
it before, like this is a very difficult shot. I
had the balls above my feet. You're not supposed to
have to play a ball above your feet like this.
And I wasn't that far off the fairway either. I
shouldn't be penalized so much.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
This man, Ladies and gentlemen will only play on a
course where the fairways are flat.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
If there's a little hill he gets, I call it.
I call it hard par easy bogey golf. That's what
I like. I like hard par is easy bogie golf.
If you hit a green and you were better off
missing the green than hitting the ring because the green
is so undulated and it's got so many breaks. That
is just put a clown's head on that green. It's
not even worth it. That's just over the top. And

(51:20):
I invite him to different courses. He won't play because
everything I just complained about is all you ever want
to play. Called the challenge man, that that course today
was a challenge for you, and you should just leave
it at that. And my course, my home course, is
a beautiful person doesn't have that.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
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Speaker 1 (52:40):
Is Friday.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Great to be with you this afternoon. We've got another
jam Pack Dower here. In a minute, we'll talk about
how the public feels about higher education in the Country's
part of our Listen Back Friday segment, we'll replay our
interview with state Representative Candice Perucci. Big announcement when it
comes to Utah working to ban China from owning land
here in this state. And John saw we'll play back

(53:00):
the interview with John Solomon about an FBI opening a
probe into the weaponization of the FBI.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Now that's a big story. It is in getting John
Solomon on the program. We're lucky he's on mostly on
national broadcasts. But that's an ongoing story. There's even news
that that's come out today that this might be a
listen back, but it's timely even as of today, the
weaponization that was really launched by President Obama.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, and we'll talk about that coming up, but let's
start off this. Let's talk about higher education. I think
greg's fair to say that a revolution is starting when
it comes to higher education. People like State Center John
Johnson here in our own state's working to bring some
common sense education back into higher education. The President is
doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
We've heard so many people on the campaign trail talk
about defunding the Department of Education, letting states have that block,
running it back, and laying states deal with their education
and delivery of education as per their state local needs.
It's never happened. It's never happened. But we're well on
our way now we are well. The Manhattan Institute has
released a brand new poll and it shows that Americans

(54:05):
have broad support for reform in higher education. Joining us
on our any hour Newsmaker line right now is Jesse
arm Jesse as director of Polling on them man Hetton Institute.
Jesse's thanks for joining us this afternoon new pull out.
What have you found, Jesse?

Speaker 11 (54:19):
The national mood around higher education is essentially that Americans
distrust universities but back refold reforms to change them. I
think DEI these big industrial complexes where public taxpayer dollars
go to fund bureaucracies set up within these institutions meant
to parse out students based on the color of their

(54:40):
skin that informed decisions about hiring and admissions. Americans, large
swaths of them, are fed up with it.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
We've got sixty.

Speaker 11 (54:49):
Six percent of university who say that universities must provide
a real forum for free speech, sixty seven percent to
say that these schools should expel students who try to
squash civil discussion by disrupting events, occupying buildings, and calling
for violence. The bottom line here is that Americans are
fed up with the direction that higher education is going

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in this country.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
You know, I'm a father now and I've paid plenty
of tuition. I share tuition for schools I never attended,
but my children have. And the climate and higher ed
as you've described, and its merits the reform. There's a
lot of questions that are subjective, and you're answering them
for your professor, knowing what kind of answer they're looking for,
but maybe not being authentic to the student or their worldview.

(55:33):
My question is is it Can you reform higher ed?
Are they too deep into it? Can these can we
have different professors? Is it salvageable.

Speaker 11 (55:43):
Higher education in this country? I believe is salvageable. My
colleague from the Manhattan Institute where I work, Christopher Ruffo,
put out a piece with the Free Press today. He
collected signatories from leaders in higher education from universities and
institutions across the country that spells out exactly what President

(56:03):
Trump and this administration can do to get higher education
back on track. And that served as the impetus for
a number of the policy items that we tested in
our polling. And sure enough, these types of things that
we're talking about reigning in to ensure that these forever
illegal campus encampments can't continue to ensure that free speech

(56:24):
must be upheld, that we're not dividing on the basis
of ethnicity or race, and that we're ensuring that admissions
and hiring at these schools are being done on the
basis of merit and merit alone. Those are things that
test very well. Those are things that are very popular
with Americans, and they are things that the President can
do and implement to hold these universities accountable via executive order.

(56:47):
He doesn't even need Congress to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Jesse, What about the economic standards in higher education right now?
Are they too soft? Are they rigorous enough? Or what's
the general feeling among the people that you pulled.

Speaker 11 (56:58):
People feel that college is a bad deal in this
country right now.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
People feel that they are paying a lot of money
and that it is basically a false promise that these
universities are offering them. Many of these universities are wealthy
in their own right too, especially when we're talking about
the big ivy leagues, which are kind of at the
tip of the spear with the ideological indoctrination. These are
some of the most overweighted institutions to one side of

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the political spectrum. They're doing very little to introduce anything
in the way of viewpoint diversity. And so they're bringing
these kids in, right, and they're charging their parents or
them themselves an arm and a leg to get an education.
And then they're walking out of there with these queer
gender African studies degrees and not being able to go
find the jobs to pay off the loans they took

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out to pay for it.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
It's a racket.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, you're going right where I was going to ask.
Let's talk about the arms and the legs. So let's
talk about the return on investment in high ed now,
and you tah, we're a bit fortunate. I think art
state institutions are higher learning, the tuition would be lower
than other states by a lot. But even then, uton's
are asking themselves, is there a return on investment in
terms of any amount of debt that you're accumulating. Does

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that ever get addressed either? I mean, I think that
it's prohibitive in terms of its cost.

Speaker 11 (58:13):
Americans would be forgiven for reconsidering college education altogether. I mean, personally,
just I work in the public policy arena. I'm always
encouraging folks when they're when we're looking at resumes, who
cares where they went to college. Show me what they've
done right, Show me how they write, Show me what
they can produce. But that said, I know I don't

(58:35):
want American higher education to be destroyed. Our schools are
the envy of the world. People from every country send
their kids here, pay here, pay us because we produce
the most talented folks in the world. And at one
point that was certainly true. Our institutions were just second
to none, the best of the best, and they still

(58:57):
can be.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
I think that's why.

Speaker 11 (58:59):
It's really important for President Trump and this administration to
take the ideas of my colleagues at the Manhattan Institute,
like I mentioned Christopher Ruffo, who spelled them out pretty
clearly in this piece with the Free Press today, to
take those suggestions seriously and implement them so we can
get our universities back on track.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Is there any hope on your part, Jesse, that these
recommendations that Christopher put together and we've read them today,
will in fact be listen to and be considered in
an effort to reform higher education. Is there hope out
there that changes can be made.

Speaker 11 (59:32):
I think there's a lot of reason to have hope.
We just actually saw Secretary of Education Linda McMahon tweeted
about an hour ago here taxpayers underwrite our nation system
of higher education, sending many billions to US colleges and universities.
We have a vested interest in their commitment to truth seeking,
free speech, and merit based hiring and admissions processes. Congratulations

(59:55):
to Christopher Ruffo and the Manhattan Institute for envisioning a
compelling roadmap to restore integrity and rigor to the American Academy.
So that sounds to me like the folks in Washington,
DC are considering our options closely, our recommendations closely, and
I'm very optimistic that they will implement them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
You know, one of the greatest takeaways from my college experience,
I was an editorial editor for the school paper Diversity
of Thought, and you mentioned this, this is actually a
place where students are just challenged in terms of what
their worldview is, what the premise they come into school.
But I liked the battle of ideas, real ideas. I
don't think that exists on our campuses today. How do
you reintroduce a diversity of thought? So that's in the

(01:00:36):
free speech realm. How do you get that on campus?
Like it where I think it used to be.

Speaker 11 (01:00:41):
Well, I think the administration is doing a good job
by kind of cheering on and encouraging more of these
independent academic centers at universities throughout the country. So you're
seeing a reversion back at The University of Florida has
something called the Hamilton Center Texas, and several other schools

(01:01:02):
throughout the SEC have similar institutions being set up. There
was just an article the other day put out in
the Wall Street Journal revealing that Harvard is considering it's
establishing their own independent center, all devoted to traditional education
and classical liberal education and classical liberal studies. So hopefully
we'll see a reversion to that mean, the administration is

(01:01:22):
creating an incentive structure to move back towards that. But
it would be a misunderstanding to call these things conservative
centers per se at American universities, they are not teaching
John Locke or Rousseau at the college level. Is not
a microaggression just because he's an old, dead white guy. Okay,

(01:01:43):
Like many people who work in and many people in
academia today will have you believe that to be the case.
It's not the case. It's important that we push back
on that. It's important that we push back, pushboard diversity
of thought, not just purely ramming through right wing and doctrination.
The left has rammed through their indoctrination at these institutions.

(01:02:03):
That's how we get them back on track, That's how
we move toward a better tomorrow with American education.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Jesse arm from the Manhattan Institute talking about how to
save higher education. Some of these reforms that they're talking about, Greg,
are highly recommended.

Speaker 12 (01:02:17):
I like them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I you too. If it's going to stick around, and
if it needs to stick around, this is the only
way it should is how. Yeah, is how we've discussed
it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
More coming up, It is the final hour the Rod
and Greg Show. On this Thank Rod and Greg gets
Friday on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Cannarez,
if you weren't listening last segment, we were talking about a
new poll out showing American support for higher education reforms.
Well now, with the Supreme Court ruling on July fourteenth
of this year, Greg, the question is is it the
beginning of the end for the Department of Education? I

(01:02:47):
think that's what Donald Trump would like to see happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I Donald Trump is not alone. This is an issue
that many people have been hoping for, been talking about.
There's been very little political courage to be able to
do it. But here we are. We're seeing it being
done now. And now it's up to states, I think,
to really step forward and see where those otherwise federal
dollars could go if block ranted back and deliver it

(01:03:10):
here in the state of Utah like any other state,
and do it better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Well, let's talk about what the ruling from the Supreme
Court means for parents getting back involved with education. Joining
us on our Newsmaker line now is Leanne O'Neill, chief
of staff and senior legal strategy attorney with the America
First Policy Institute. Leanne, thank you very much for joining us.
I want to start off by asking you, what do
you think the Department of Education, Leanne, will look like

(01:03:34):
in six months to a year from now.

Speaker 13 (01:03:36):
Well, I think it's certainly going to look a lot
more efficient than it has in recent history. You know,
we have seen under the Biden administration just really horrid
guidance coming out on you know, an array of topics
that ended up being very devastating to our society and
culture in terms of discriminatory DEI and radical gender ideology,

(01:04:00):
and that is all finally being shut down under the
leadership of President Trump and Secretary McMahon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
LeeAnne, One of the discussion points was that there was
a belief that you could block grant money that otherwise
was arriving at the Department of Education. Let states, because
states are different, be able to use that money for
education needs within their own state. Are you hearing, as
we're going to see that budget reduction happen in the
Department of Education federally, that there is plan there would

(01:04:28):
be plans to block grant funds back to states for
public education.

Speaker 13 (01:04:32):
You know, I know the President and Secretary McMahon are
absolutely dedicated to making sure that students have all of
the resources that they need to succeed. And by radically
downsizing the workforce in the Department of Education, it is
going to make it that much easier for the states
to get a hold of the funding and to use

(01:04:52):
it most effectively and efficiently for their own students.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Leanne, why did the Department of Education fail? What happened?

Speaker 13 (01:05:00):
Do you think you know, it's a bloated bureaucracy like
so many that we see, and it's you know, it's
no wonder that the you know, powers that be in
the you know, large scale education space, like Randy Weingarten,
I'm sure just losing their minds over this decision. I mean,
when you have a bloated federal bureaucracy, it makes it

(01:05:23):
that much easier and convenient to pull puppet strings and
to impose you know, ideological bent to programmings. It's meant
to be controlled at the local level, and so taking
away that ability and restoring the education and the making
sure the needs of students are being met, restoring that
to the local level is absolutely paramount.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
You know, Leanne, one of the the I would argue,
the only arrow in the quiver of leftists and the
Democrats is fear. They love, They're just fearmongers. They want
to just tell you that everything is the sky's going
to fall. Everything that is happening by way a budget
cuts or being more efficient really is just and harm
everyone on site. What can parents expect, well, well, what
can our listeners expect by way of the efficiencies you've described?

(01:06:07):
When will we see or feel a difference when schools
may be able to or districts may be able to
access federal funds easier Title one dollars dollars for you know,
special education. How does how does that change the lives
of parents and their students in schools?

Speaker 13 (01:06:22):
Do you think, oh, my gosh, it's going to be outstanding.
They will absolutely notice significant changes, all for the better.
I mean one of kind of the you know, the
power play is the common themes that we see coming
out of you know, the swamp, is this idea that
the Washington d c. Elites somehow know better than the

(01:06:43):
average American, the average American parents, the average American teacher,
the average American state lawmaker, and people are sick of it.
People don't trust that anymore. They know that it's a lie,
and they don't like being talked down to. And with
the move like this, parents, teachers, local school districts, they're

(01:07:03):
going to see that the trust and ability is restored
back to them to take care of their students, take
care of their children lean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And I totally agree with that. But the question I
have will local school boards, will the states, Will parents
step up and accept this new role, the fact that
they have more input on education. Will mom and dad
step up and get involved and do it?

Speaker 13 (01:07:23):
Do you think that's a great question. I certainly hope
that they do. And you know, I think that any
action that can be taken to give the market forces
more power will be are fantastic. And that's another reason
why I think education school choice is so important to
have a sweeping change that goes over our entire country.

(01:07:45):
It's already taken hold in many states. But when when
parents can see that well run schools turn out well
rounded and well educated students, they will be motivated to
seek out and find the right school for their kids.
And it absolutely need to have the ability to choose
where their kids.

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Go to school.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
You know, there's muscle memory does a Supreme Court decision
and finally letting this administration do what it wants to
do in terms of its budget and the Department of Education.
Do you do you foresee maybe other budget adjustments and
changes that may be made, even more cuts as things
are implemented without the kind of delay we saw initially.
Is this going to be easier for reform now that

(01:08:25):
we've gotten through maybe the first six months of this administration.

Speaker 13 (01:08:28):
I have to believe so I mean, as you know,
the President, all of the federal agencies have been very
decisive and quick in making cuts to unnecessary spending. And
it's really been these rogue judges that have so dramatically
and unconstitutionally interrupted that flow of change that's so desperately

(01:08:53):
needed in our country. And with the recent Supreme Court rulings,
you know, the Supreme Court has been very clear the
nationwide injunctions issued by you know, a rogue discrict district
judge are unconstitutional. So when the executive branch exercises its
constitutional power, as it did in this case, that has

(01:09:13):
to be allowed to happen. And I think that we're
going to see much quicker, much more effective, efficient maneuvers
down the road, all in the interest of putting the
American people first. And I you know, very optimistic given
the most recent decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
You know, I think it's Greig and I my opinion,
anything that drives Randy Winingarden r nuts, we're all in
favor of. Yes, that's our positive social proof and social proofing.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
It's good.

Speaker 13 (01:09:40):
It's a good key indicator to look out for here on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Our newsmaker line, leanne O'Neil chief of Staff and Senior
Legal strategy advisor with the American First Policy Institute. It
will be smaller and hopefully much more efficient. Greg, that's
what we want out of the Education Department.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Exciting times, things we never thought we'd see, and we're
going to see him in action right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
We sure will, all right, our listen back Friday segments
coming your way next on The Roden Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS. Some big
news this week, Greg, concerning the efforts by the Chinese
to buy land, not only here in the state of Utah,
but really around the country. A lot of concern about that,
especially near military installations.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
It's happening. It's happening in real time. We're seeing maps
that are just absolutely disturbing in terms of what how
much China has found its way into this country owning land.
It is no small deal that they went into Provo
and halted a farm that's adjacent to the Provo airport
and it kept it from being sold to this Chinese

(01:10:39):
company that has military influence building drones. I mean, come on,
I'm so glad that. Anyway I'm looking for this is
an important discussion with represent Candiceproocy. She sponsored and passed
two bills related to this. It's not as easy. You
can say you don't want China to buy land, but
you got to know how to find it. Yeah, and
that's a lot different than just talking about Yeah. So

(01:11:01):
I think this is an important discussion and one worth
replaying today because there's some important details that we should
be tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, it's part of our Listen Back Friday segment. We
spoke with Representative Perucci about this and what she was
doing and how important it is for the state to
get on top of the issue when it comes to
the Chinese buying land.

Speaker 14 (01:11:18):
Absolutely, it was a great press conference. We were able to
talk about the fact that we have stopped some major
land purchases because of the legislation that was passed in
twenty three and twenty four. So it's public now I
can share it. There was a large company that tried

(01:11:38):
to purchase a large amount of land right next to
the Prover Airport. And this Chinese company built the debts
and drones and hardware for the Chinese government and they
attempted this transaction and amazingly, it was a county recorder
who caught it because as part of the legislation, the

(01:11:59):
Department of Public Safety trains are county requorters now for
suspicious and the various transactions or transactions that are people
are attempting to do between a Chinese subsidiary. So that
was stopped, which is a big win for Utah Representative Perucci.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
How about existing land purchases. Do we know of other
lands that have already been purchased and if so, what
can we do to protect ourselves against those or do
you get those people out of here?

Speaker 14 (01:12:30):
Yeah, so the law is both retroactive and proactive. So
the Department of Public Safety is working with Kayak their
information Analysis centers, and what they've gone through is they're
coming through these properties. I'm aware of several where they'll
be sending out divestment notices that is essentially telling them, hey,
you can either sell your property or the state's gonna

(01:12:51):
confiscate it as per the law, but you're in violation
of the law. So there still are properties in our
state that are owned by CCP company, and we are
working DPS is working through those investigations and notices to
essentially get them out of Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Representative I see these maps that are produced of the country,
and they always show Utahs having a very large amount
of land owned by communist China. I don't understand a
lot of that would be And I look at that map,
looks like could be federal landed because it takes up
such a big portion. How much are we talking about
in reality? And then what's I guess the second part

(01:13:28):
of that would be what would be the timeline in
terms of how that does exchange? So how much of
it is out there and how long does it take.

Speaker 11 (01:13:34):
Yeah change it.

Speaker 14 (01:13:35):
So there's a lot of a lot of maps floating around.
And again we've had we've been able to get a
lot of different lands divested from already and DPS and
hoping next session will be able to come in and
give a report on that. But when I first started
running this legislation in twenty twenty three, the Congressional Research

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Office had put out a number and the Laws Journal
also had a similar number to about thirty three to
thirty seven thousand acres in Utah. And so those that's
what we're talking about, and a lot of that, you know,
we're divesting at this point and having them have to
sell it. So it is it is concerning nevertheless, but
when it shows an entire Utah red that's I mean,

(01:14:20):
to your point, Greg, that's not even possible because seventy
percent of our lands owned by the federal government. Something
interesting we did change in twenty twenty four though, to
Enkansas policy is we said they can't lease it either
because you have Fittla and other entities that may lease
land or greazing rights to a CCP on company. And
we put a kabash on that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
How difficult is it, How how deep do you have
to dig to find a connection to the CCP, I mean,
is it difficult to do representative?

Speaker 14 (01:14:50):
So there are varying levels right of how embedded something
is you have. And China, I think is as the
awareness has increased for this issue, they've gotten more and
more creative, which is why the law goes to shell
companies and if you're a majority owned company by China.
So the National Defense Authorization Acts in the NBA, they

(01:15:11):
actually have a list that they have of restricted foreign
entities and the known shell companies and that list Department
of Public Safety, publishers and trains are county recorders on.
But also you have incredible companies like Strider that can
go in. You know, they're a security company based in
Utah that we highlighted today in the press conference that

(01:15:34):
you can go in and do the analysis of the
change in hands with money. And that's what's really important
in the law is if your property was purchased with
a majority amount coming from the CCP, that applied as well.
Another significant change was if someone had a connection and
served in the military of State China, then they would
have to disclose that. So these are again we're creating

(01:15:57):
all these wires that are hopefully going to be tripping
past purchases and future attempts that purchases to make it
so China can now no longer own land in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
So that is such an interesting issue in terms of
the money changing hands. What I guess my question is
does it require I mean, how deep dive do you
have to go? How does is it something that you
have to get a third party to investigate or is
there something are there tails out there that will let
you know that there's another owner of something like this.

Speaker 14 (01:16:31):
So it's it's twofold that Department of Public Safety and
SSAYAC works with their Homeland Security liaison and the FBI,
So obviously, as some things nefarious and they have grounds
to conduct an investigation, they're able to do that. A
company like Strider has the capacity and ability to do
a much more comprehensive review. But then also on deps's website,

(01:16:56):
we have a page now that people can report suspicious
land ownership and activity, and we've had multiple reports come
through that line that are being investigated and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Real issues now real quickly. I know other states have
legislation like this. Are you are you gleaning from best
practices of other states or is Utah leading out on
these practices? How does that world look like?

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
So Utah is.

Speaker 14 (01:17:19):
Definitely leading out. I will say though, I've met with
policemakers around the country, have attended several you know, working
groups on this a couple of years ago, particularly with
people from North Dakota, Texas. These are states that have
a lot of military bases, right and it was something
that they were actively working on. But I'll tell you
we've been able to act quickly in Utah. It did

(01:17:42):
take you know, a couple of sessions to really push this,
but we're able to get it through. Whereas some of
my counterparts across the country have run into problems to
say the reilts or the business community, or even the
ad community. And I think the national conversation is churning
on that and it'll hopefully make it easier for them
to pass their policy. So there are other states who
are passing it, and you know you have Stafe Flight

(01:18:05):
with Governor Huckabee Sanders where this has become a main
priority of hers. But Utah has definitely been on the
leading front of this issue because we started, you know
before it was the thing that was being talked about nationally.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Per se say Representive Candice Perucci joining us as part
of our Listen Back Friday segment. We played that interview
earlier this week, and like I said, Greg, these guys
are tricky. You've got to do a lot of digging
to find out if in fact the CCP is behind
all of this. The more digging you do, the more
we realize they are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
And we've seen a lot of states that have similar legislation.
But as you heard, I think Utah is leading out
on how to train county recorders that are recording purchases
of land or things like that, and then the Department
of Public Safety investigating these real estate purchases to make
sure that that's not what's happening people from China or
enemies of the States that are acquiring land in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, all right, Coming up, we'll continue with our Listen
Back Friday segment, our conversation with John Solomon about the
floodgates starting to open now on the Trump Russian hoax.
That's all coming up on our Listen Back Friday segments
and the Rotten Gregg Show Talk Radio one five nine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Canterus.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Well, it's interesting, Greg that the all of a sudden
with Pam Bondi as Attorney General, Cash Bettel, director of
the FBI, the floodgates are just starting to open now
as we get a kind of a behind the scenes
look at so what went on not only with the
Russian hoax we all know that story, but even other conspiracies.
We had a chance to talk to John Solomon from
Just the News about that this week.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Yes, and this is an ongoing story. What's happening here
is still timely. They're still breaking news even as of
today about this very topic. So this is an important
one to listen back and here John Solomon share what
he knows and what progress has been made. I love
He always says, this is what we know. He goes
through his stories that way, and it's always good journalism.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Well, we asked John as we began to give us
an update as to what he's found and where the
FBI is going.

Speaker 12 (01:19:57):
Well, this is a big development and it opened the
door so a lot of things that I think people
couldn't imagine even just a few weeks ago. We've known
there was this era of weaponization in government. We know
that from a political perspective. Republicans in Congress who investigated it,
inspector generals who investigated saw evidence of a political conspiracy.
The FBI is now viewing this moment Hillary Clinton was

(01:20:20):
exonerated in your email scandal and Donald Trump was then
suddenly investigated for fake allegations of Russia collusion, all the
way up through the Jacksmith prosecutions into twenty twenty four.
They're now looking at at that as one ongoing, continuing conspiracy,
a conspiracy to exonerate Democrats, even though they might have
actually created criminality. Hunter Biden, remember the pressure on the

(01:20:44):
whistleblowers and the Ukraine impeachment designed to protect him. Hillary
Clinton on the email and then on the flip side.
At the same time, they were going easy on Democrats,
flipping it and actually opening up investigations and Republicans even
when some of that evidence wasn't warranted, so they view
it as a conspiracy. Once you do that, two big
things happen. First, the statute of limitations on any single

(01:21:08):
crime disappears. As long as some of the crimes are
in the statute, you can go back in charge events
ten twelve years ago. So if you were charging Hillary
Clinton in the email case, it would be long gone,
but now in the conspiracy you could potentially make charges there. Similarly,
you don't have to bring the classic case in Washington, DC,
a place where ninety percent of the electorate is pro Democrat.

(01:21:31):
You could potentially bring it into place like Florida, where
President Trump's marra a Lago home was raided by Special
Prosecutor Jack Smith back in twenty twenty two. So a
different venue, a different type of juror and jury pull.
So it opens up a lot of ideas, and I
think it also sets the stage potentially for Attorney General
Pambondi to appoint a special prosecutor, someone who's independent, to

(01:21:55):
take this entire case and do it with credibility and
give the American people answer and delivered charges if they're warranted.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You know what this sounds like to me? This sounds
like the John Solomon already reported it and told you
so case. I mean, that's what you've been on top
of this for so long, and so in your description
just now, you gave me the glimmer of light or
hope that I having a special prosecutor which would allow
this to be heard in a different venue than the

(01:22:22):
DC Circuit coarter of that jurisdiction where Durham was unable
to do anything no matter what the evidence said. Yeah,
so if you can get over that hurdle which I
thought was you couldn't get, that would be the deal breaker.
Where would you put We've heard this for so long.
A lot of this sounds so familiar to so many, John,
Where would you put the viability of this case? Is

(01:22:43):
this a fifty to fifty chance?

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Is this a coin flip? Do you think it's a
little better? Where would you put? Where would you put
the prospects?

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
Well, listen, we're learning new things every day, even eight
nine years later, we're getting to it. So let's think
about what we learned just two weeks ago when we
broke the story at Justin News, the FBI received intelligence
in August twenty twenty that China was in the process
of carrying out a effort to move fake driver's licenses

(01:23:10):
in the country so that fake people could vote to
try to help Joe Biden win. Their specific goal with
China wanted Joe Biden to win the twenty twenty election.
We didn't know about that for the last five years,
and then we now know that the FBI stopped investigating
it and actually ask intelligence agencies to destroy the intelligence
that they had disseminated on this. We only learned about

(01:23:30):
that recently. But when you throw that in the timeline,
you begin to see multiple examples, sort of a wash
Rints repeat cycle of political manipulation of the justice system,
the law enforcement system, the intelligence system. So and then
even as recently as the story this morning where I

(01:23:51):
break this, I talked about two pieces of evidence that
remain classified that if they're classified by Donald Trump, could
be jaw droppers. One is just before James Comy exonerated
Hillary Clinton, and we now know that the Justice Department
Inspector General said he had no right to do that.
That wasn't his call. But right before he did that,
his own bureau, the FBI, got new intelligence suggesting maybe

(01:24:14):
there was criminal a conduct that occurred here, and instead
of looking at it, they swept it under the rug
and just exonerader. We didn't know that for a long time.
Chuck Grassley brought that to our at tension. So there
are new pieces of evidence falling in and I think, again,
you never know how a jury or a grand jury's
going to look at it. But this cycle of constantly
finding wrongdoing with a Democrat and exonerating them and then

(01:24:37):
launching a similar investigation against the Republicans, often in the
absence of proof or evidence. It repeats itself so many
times it might become believable to a jury who otherwise
would say this is too complicated for me. But I
think that Washerrinson repeat cycle becomes more and more clear
with every new piece of evidence we get from the
Intelligence Committee, the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
From just the news. We're talking with John Solomon. John
all now fall on Pam Bondy to hit the go
button on this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, that's the next step.

Speaker 12 (01:25:05):
The FBI has a predicated investigation that allows its resources
to be used and to do the right thing. And
now the real question for Pam Bondi is do I
sign a prosecutor to this or do I go get
a special prosecutor do it? You can handle it internally,
but the Justice Department's a little hampered right now. It
has had a lot of people leave, some involuntarily they
fire them, some have left out of protests, and not

(01:25:27):
a lot of US attorneys have been confirmed by the Senate.
The chief prosecutor is by city, so in that scenario,
it might be difficult for the Justice Department to handle
this internally. So I think Pambondi asked to decide hit
the go button, and then what's the proper process? Is
it giving it to one US attorney, we get one
confirmed to get it done, or do you take somebody's

(01:25:48):
already Senate confirmacy you're the special prosecutor, like John Burham.
Durham go down to Florida and go investigate this. And
I think those are decisions that could get made in
the next week to ten days.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
The timeline, you know, these cases take a long time.
I think this has to happen on Trump's watch or
I start to lose even faith that we could get
something done. Is there enough time for something like this
to be adjudicated?

Speaker 12 (01:26:13):
The good news is that you're not starting at ground zero.
You're starting with about eighty percent of the evidence now
in the public domain. To see, we've got to put
it together and present it to a grand jury, compel
witnesses to testify, which sometimes gets into subpoenaphytes. But around
that you also take a look at the body of

(01:26:34):
evidence that could just be very quickly slipped on. These
two classified annexes that I talk about in my story. Hey,
if President Trump were to declassify them, that would save
weeks and months of a court fight trying to get
access to them for the jury. So there are things
that could put this on steroids and speed, But it
would also take a good prosecutor and a commitment that

(01:26:54):
you're going to resource this quickly. If you resource it quickly,
most of this work could be done in the next
year or two years. There isn't, as you said at
the beginning, most of it's sitting out in front of us.
It's just nobody's taking the time to make that very
important accountability push.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
All right, listen back Friday segment with John Solomon from
Just the news talking about the weaponization.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Of the FBI. Well that does it for us This week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Another week.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Man, the week's go by fast. You go by fast.
That means the summer's going by fast.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Did you brag enough today about how you beat me
in golf?

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Not enough?

Speaker 14 (01:27:24):
Not enough.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
There's never enough spike in the ball. I gotta beat him.
It comes to owning you on the links.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Gotta beat him, guys, says we really need to play
a real man's game bowling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yeah, he's he is one of the literally one of
the state's top bowlers, and but he says, every time
he lets go of the ball, it always comes back. Well, see,
we just we go hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
We have to go chape it, find it all right?
That does it for us this week. As we say
each and every night, head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family and this great country of ours.
Have a safe, safe weekend. We'll be back on Monday
with a brand new dish of the Rotting Gregg Show.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
How good weekend.

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