The Rod and Greg Show: Why Southern Schools Outperform Others; SAFE act; American Energy Works

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty twenty six is off to a heck of a start.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
It is.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's you say it's a crazy day. It sounds like, well,
then that sounds like it's a Wednesday, Wingman Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
It could be any that on Wingman Wednesday. It's kind
of crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, I think it's the trend. I think it's uh.
I think I'm I'm recognizing a pattern, okay, and that
is that we've got we've got politics that has gone
to such extremes. And I'm telling you that we'll talk
about this in the show. But folks, I I no
one's going to convince me that the Democrats in these
both sides people can just climb a tree. The Democrats first, second,
and third option in any political uh pursuit is violence. Yeah,

(00:37):
it's violence. I'm looking at a video right now. They're
destroying a Minneapolis federal courthouse right now in the windows
to get on the start.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, sure, there you go. Well, we'll get into that
because that's the big news of the day, no doubt.
And we have said for how long, Greg, sooner or later,
somebody is going to get killed. Yes, and they did today.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It happened tragically, But it happened, and it's been femented
for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
But we've got some other big news that Era just
pointed out and sent us a note Ryan Smith, who
owns What the Jazz and the Mammoth, Yes, announcing that
the eighteenth Winter Classic, where they play an NHL game
outside in a stadium, will be in Utah next year.
That is exciting. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
So you're you're you're from Upper State New York. You
played hockey in high school. You know hockey as well
as anyone will, and a lot of you know a
lot of these lakes and places and you shoveled off
you play on the ice. And so having NHL hockey games,
these Winter Classics, they've always been fun. They're outside, they're outdoors,
and we had one in Pittsburgh a number of years ago.

(01:36):
But they're always fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah. Yeah, And they tried one this year in Florida,
but that was very well.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It didn't it didn't and io in Florida. I think
you need to have a cold winter setting. Yes, that's
big news, it is, and that's a unique way to
watch hockey. It's a unique way for the NHL to
do it. Every year they have the Winter Classic and
so big announcement that that will be the Winter Classic
for the NHL will be the Man versus Somebody, but
it'll be in Rice Cycle Stadium next year.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think it'd be great have the Mammoth take on
the Avalanche. Yeah, that would Colorado. That would be a
great match. It would be because the man, I'll tell
you what, Colorado. Colorado is playing very very well this year.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
And Mammoths just had a good road trip with Colorado.
Avalanche are pretty good, right, Yea.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're pretty darn good. All right, We've got a lot
to get to today. We were talking what was it
two days ago where a new study coming out of
the University of Utah showed that third rate third grade
reading scores are down. I mean they we just started
making progress. We'll talk about why the southern schools are
doing bet are a Utah. Well, two Utah lawmakers, one

(02:38):
who you know very very well in State Center, Kurk Cullamore,
along with state Representative Doug fia Fia, are introducing a
bill to take technology out of school classrooms.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Before that, I know that might sound counterintuitive in twenty
twenty six that you would take technology out. But I
think there's an important story to be learned in the
what type of technology, yeah, is good for all students
to know, and what might be replacing some of the
fundamental skills that we acquired as we grew up and
we went to school. Those skills might be being lost

(03:09):
inadvertently right now.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
As a result of technology.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Because of technology. So we'll have a great discussion about that.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And we've got a lot of other things to get to.
But the big story today, if you're just tuning in,
are not aware of what happened, There was a shooting
today in Minneapolis. Ice ICE agents were there doing their job,
doing the job that the American people have asked them
to do. Of course, Minnesota has been a hotbed for
this because you've got a wacky governor and a wacky
mayor in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, who simply is refusing to

(03:36):
cooperate with ICE. So protesters have been out almost every
day and had an ugly incident today in which there
were protests. ICE was trying to do his job. There
were protests, throwing snowballs, throwing everything at the ICE agents.
At the time, a woman who was trying to impede
traffic allowing Ice to do his job. She was asked
to leave when she pulled out, and I think people

(03:59):
are going to have to judge for themselves greg what
she was trying to do. But the officer who was
in front of the car at the time with Ice,
felt that his life was in danger. She had weaponized
her vehicle to try and run them over. He shot
and killed her.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
And what you don't see on the video is that
and this comes from the eyewitness account that we've heard,
that that was she was the ring later staging that
this blockade of automobiles to try and stop Ice from
doing their job. And I will tell you that if
you were to ask anybody, whether it's on the law
enforcement side or even the defense attorneys, they would tell
their clients do not try to do not become combative

(04:34):
with law enforcement. It's not safe. It's you shouldn't do it.
And the media and the left have made it almost
seem normal to be able to be combative and violent
against members of our law enforcement community. And it's you know,
I don't know. I hate to be such a cynic,
but you could ask what took so long? Because the
American public if you're left of center, you've been conditioned

(04:56):
to believe that you can be as aggressive, as violent
as you want with law, and you'll have a right
to do that, and you have her some kind of
right to do it. Yeah, so it's it is a
very dangerous endeavor. It's never been okay to do to
try and obstruct or use any the type of force
that could be perceived as deadly against a member of
law enforcement. And here we are.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, now let's get into the story.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
As we mentioned, she was blocking the road and Ice
went up to her and asked her to leave. This
is an eyewitness to this to see what happened.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
They clearly wanted her out of there because she was
the main car leading the protest, is my understanding. I
talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but
she was she was very at she was very successful
in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was what
she was set out to do, and so they wanted

(05:47):
to get her the hell out of there.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, so it looked like she was impeding Ice. Few cool, definitely, Yeah,
that was her goal. Well, her goal was to impede Ice.
And like you said, Greg, if law enforcement ask you
to get out of the way. What do you do?
Get out of the way.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's right, You need to you need toby. What's meant
if you ask, if you asked for your ID, if
you're asked to move, you do it. If you think
it's unfair, there is a day you can have in court.
But to create a confrontation there, excuse me? Is it
invites more problems? Yeah, it's it's pretty scary. If if
they perceive a deadly force, they have every right to

(06:26):
use deadly force to prevent deadly force against them. Ye. Yeah,
that's and that's the law.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, you have the mayor or the governor there. Tim Wallas,
who's already in enough trouble, does not want to cooperate
with ICE. You have the mayor in that city not
cooperating with ICE. So he comes on after the shooting
without getting all the facts in first, before he said anything.
Listen to what he told the people of Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
We've dreaded this moment since the early stages of this
ICE presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this a concern
that we've had internally, we've.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Been talking about it.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
They are not here to cause safety in this city.
What they are doing is not to provide safety in America.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
What they are doing.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Is causing chaos and distrust. They're ripping families apart, They're
sowing chaos on our streets and in this case quite
literally killing people.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So they are already.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Trying to spin this as an action of self defense.
Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Directly that is.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in
somebody dying getting killed.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now does that sound great to you, like a mayor
who's trying to calm things down.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
No, that doesn't sound that has no calming effect. They
have been goading the public. They have been trying to
push the public into a moment like this for a
long time because they're willing to sacrifice somebody for this
narrative that they've been waiting for for how long? And
I'm telling you that there are now four different at
least we saw before the program, four different angles of
videos taken of that very moment, and she is driving

(08:17):
her car towards him, it is at a high speed.
And I'm telling you that the law is clear that
the agent is able to use deadly force if he
feels deadly force. Here she feels deadly forces is being
put upon them. He was threatened, and again they this
was all set up for this moment because what they
want to be able to say is look at Trump's
Nazi Ice agents and they just.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Want to kill.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
They want to kill in us, in people they have
been trying to get and if you look how much.
The other thing I don't buy from this is if
if you're ever going to catch a police officer or
some federal law enforcement officer doing something they shouldn't do,
it's in the mundane, or it's in when it's at
a time when people aren't watching, or they think someone
no one's watching. These ICE agents know they are under

(09:00):
cost the eye. They know that people are watching them
and recording them at every minute. If there's if we've
seen anything from these ICE agents, it's been restraint beyond
even what they need to have with the public in
terms of being interrupted from what the job they're trying
to do. When that happens with this ICE agent, there's
no They're not being cavalier, there's no there's there's no

(09:20):
greater scrutiny that's going on with anyone than the ICE
agents today. So what you're seeing is and now they
can take as many videos as they that they want
of this. They are the party of violence. They've been
trying to cement violence for a long time. They finally
got someone to commit violence towards an ICE agent, where
that ice agent thought his life was being threatened. He
reacted to put to stop the violence, and this, uh,

(09:42):
this woman was killed. That's that's that's the narrative they've
been searching for forever. And I'm gonna tell you it's
not gonna hold water at least legally.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
They are so hypocritical, Greg because here you have the
mayor who you just heard from, you know, saying the
the self defense excuse is nothing but bs. Then he
turns to him and says, I get the f out
of town, geez. And then he ends up by saying,
can we all just live in peace and come together
as a community and be law abiding citizens. So he
stokes the fire and then he backs down and says, oh,

(10:12):
we just need to be good American performative.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's not a serious adult all this. There's no there's
no Americans that they are seeing as jointly as Americans
or the public at large. They are divisive. They are partisan.
They want violence to create fear and to create intimidation
to get what they want politically. They they they have
all these illegal people in this country. They do not

(10:34):
want them removed. They want to do everything in their
power to stop it. And the way they the greatest
tool they have is fear and intimidation and fear.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
You're right, all right, We've got a lot to get to.
We'll talk more about this with you later on in
the program. It is wing Man Wednesday right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrests. This
is again social media posting this information identifying her as
Renee Good. Apparently. She's described as an activist out a Missouri,
a professional protester out of Missouri who was there in

(11:02):
Minnesota apparently to protest. It's there in Minnesota. That's the
identity we're getting so far, again unconfirmeda not a resident
of Minnesota apparently.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And you know we've seen this with the with when
they want to cause civil unrest and chaos that they
they do hire a full time protesters and the pay.
That is a job. That's a paying job, and this
is one of them, and she'd be one of the
one of the many anonymous people that you see acting
out that you would just imagine or just organically showing
up and upset. No, it's paid for, it's planned. They

(11:35):
filled out the resume or the application. I hope that
came with, you know, benefits case.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, we were talking yesterday about reading here in the
state of Utah. Third grade reading, it's so important. A
report came out that Utah is lagging behind again and
they point out to other states in the South like
Mississippi and Louisiana that are doing an amazing job at
bringing those scores up. Joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk about that right now is Daniel Buck. He
is a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Daniel,

(12:07):
thanks for joining us this afternoon. Why is it that
southern state seem to be out performing other states like
Utah when it comes to education.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, each of those states, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, a
lot of states that are typically considered you know, not
well run education systems are actually kind of blowing all
the other states out of the water because they're doing
and they're passing some pretty common sense education policies, so
they're using phonics in the early grades. They're actually teaching

(12:37):
kids letter sounds and not just expecting and hoping that
kids kind of figure out how to read on their own.
They're passing phonic screeners where in first or second or
third grade, you know, the grade kind of very state
by state, but if the kid can't read by the
end of that grade, they don't progress onto the new one.
They're passing discipline bills often called teacher's Bill of Rights

(12:59):
that you know, empowered teachers to take the kid who's
misbehaving and remove them from the classroom and actually give
them a consequence for talking out of turn or picking
a fight or whatever it is. They are following policies
that any parent or teacher or school administrator who hasn't
lost their minds. But just assume schools are already doing.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know, we look in your article, you tracked where
were the what was proficiency levels prior to COVID, and
then you mark you note the states that have actually
only what Mississippi has gotten back to where they were
pre COVID. Alabama has done it in math. But let's
go before COVID. It seems to me and it happened
here in the state of Utah that we just revamped

(13:41):
our curriculum for kids, I mean, all math, you name it,
we just it was changed. We heard parents say, I
can't sit down at the kitchen table if you're lucky
enough to have parents who would do homework with you.
They did not understand that the way this curriculum was
being delivered it was completely different than the way they
learned math or any other uh curriculum. That it was
that the beginning of this big problem we had because

(14:04):
we've had some disturbing statistics here in Utah where K
through four we have fifty percent of these kids that
aren't reading at grade level or getting prepared to read
a grade level.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, there was actually a slow and study increase in
academic scores from about the mid ninety to the mid
twenty tens, and then there was a blowback to high standards,
to standardized testing, to traditional instruction like just teaching kids'
maths and then having them practice it. So scores were

(14:35):
beginning to decline around twenty fourteen at twenty fifteen, and
then the pandemic just accelerated that decline and kind of
put the final bullet in the back of the head
of student achievement. So you're rights where this decline began
before COVID, and it has to do with a lot
of the curriculum changes that sought the new and the

(14:55):
shiny instead of the tried and the true. You know,
us as of education can't get tenure by saying, yeah,
we actually know how to teach kids to read, teach
them phonics, we know how to teach kids maths. You
show them on the board and then you ask them
to do the problem ten to fifteen times until they
get it down. That doesn't earn you ten there, That
doesn't get you grants for discovering the new innovative thing.

(15:18):
So instead we always get the latest fad, which never
works and just frustrates parents and on the dinner table,
like you said, and.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You're describing what I think, Greg and I went through
in school and probably yourself as well. If you don't
get it right, do it and do it again and
again and again. The old way to learn. How tough
of a cell was it in states like Mississippi or
in Louisiana. To bring back some of the old approaches
to education, common sense approaches to education, maybe even holding
kids back. How tough of a cell was that in

(15:46):
those states.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I think the major pushback came from unions if you
look down at the southern states. But in California, a
phonics bill was actually stopped because the unions say, well,
this is too much of a top down mandate. We
want to give our teachers their freedom, when of course
the Union had supported all sorts of top down mandates
about sex education, or ethnic studies or whatever the vote

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curriculum was. It was only when the state was trying
to pass more traditional educational forms that they got pushbacks
from the unions and again from the schools of education
that for whatever reason, are opposed to more traditional forms
of instruction. One of the interesting pieces here is there
wasn't so much a pushback from a teachers, but kind

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of a surprise or a feeling like they'd been betrayed
because they've been told in the teacher prep they've been
told by the so called experts that phonics was just
one way among many that you know, whole language or
these pseudoscientific approaches to teaching reading or mass worked, and
then they found out that actually wasn't the case, and

(16:52):
now they're kind of looking for better curriculum, for better
professional development because they realized they'd had, you know, the
bull pulled over their eyes. Now they see the light
and they want to do better by students.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What's the role of the Department of Education or what
was it in some of this looking back and knowing
that the Department of Education doesn't exist as it used
to now, you had you had George W. Bush's No
Child Left Behind, you had Obama's Race to the top.
We've had these federal initiatives that came with federal money
to compel how teachers delivered education in the classroom. Now

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that we don't see the Department of Education with such
a strong hand, do you suspect that things will improve?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think the problem with the Federal Department of Education
trying to push these policies is that it was the
Federal Department.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Of Education push.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
They looked at states like there was the Massachusetts Miracle
before there was the Mississippi Miracle, there was the Texas
Miracle before there was the Mississippi Miracle, and they had
done many of the same things. They'd risen. They raised
state standards, they compelled teachers to use. It was the
exact same story in each of these states. The problem
then was trying to take those lessons and then mandate

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it from the federal government rather than relying on the
state legislatures the state Department of Educations, where the power
over schools is supposed to lie at least constitutionally, and
letting them run with what works. So the problem wasn't
necessarily the standardized tests or the high standards. It was
the fact that we were trying to push those a

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good idea from too high a level of government.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Dan, thanks for joining us at stan Bucky is a
research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. More coming up
It is the Wingman Wednesday edition of The Roden Gregg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Cann One lawmaker, I believe she may be from Minnesota
or that part of the country said the woman was
just trying to get out of the way. She didn't

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mean to go after the officer. She was just going
after it. She was just trying to get out of
an absolute distortion. And you knew this was going to happen.
Here comes Ben mccadams, who is now a candidate in
Utah's first congressional district. I guess what they that's what
they're calling in now, that's what he posted. I'm heartsick
and outraged by what just happened in Minneapolis. A woman
is dead after an ice operation. The video of the

(19:14):
incident speaks for herself. I'm not going to share it
because the video is terribly graphic and disturbing. The official
account doesn't match what people can plainly see in the video.
This should stop us cold. What is happening in our country?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well, you know, I know Ben mccadams. I worked with
him when I was a public servant and he had
a very different tone demeanor was But he's in it.
It's what this plus twenty four percent Kamala Harris gamed
up congressional district in Utah has done and has made
him strident and irresponsible. There are four videos now that
that literally show that showed that the ice agent there

(19:50):
was deadly force coming right at him, even struck him.
I didn't see it the first time that he'd been
hit by that car. But the point is this, you know,
you got the mayor Minneapolis saying that you've got the
former Saltly County mayor now candidate in this hyperliberal district
saying the same thing without bombs. But folks, I got
to just tell you. You just let this information roll out,
and you're just going to you're going to see that

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the problem is the leftists, the elitist, the democrats, the
regime media. They have been trying to provoke people into
being violent against federal law enforcement, knowing full well that
you can't use deadly force and obstruct deadly force against
law enforcement. But you can't obstruct them, you can't prevent
them from doing their job, and that there was a
confrontation that was inevitable. They've been waiting for it. This

(20:34):
was their moment, and now they're just trying to pounce
on it and really try to shape it in the
most dangerous ways to really stop Ice from enforcing the law.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
They don't want the people that that were let in
during the Biden administration to ever be deported. They want
them all here. They want to destabilized.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
We're going to get more into this in the five
o'clock hour in your phone calls right now. We want
to Utah has joining growing list of states banning the
use of cell phones and classrooms and you know early
intos are the teachers are pretty happy with it, even
though they're still being distracted. Well, there are two lawmakers
now who'll want to ban technology completely out of the classroom,
joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that

(21:11):
and state represented Doug Fia, FIA representative, Thank you for
joining us this afternoon. Why do you want to see
technology out of the classroom?

Speaker 7 (21:19):
Yeah, I think this is a really big deal. And
the reason why we're doing this is what's happening in
schools is we're essentially conducting a tech experiment in our
kids without a control group. I'm a father of four kids,
and I care about their future. I care about how
they learn and how their education will move will be

(21:40):
moving forward. But what's happened is we've flooded our schools
with these devices, and I think it's been a big
mistake because we've been confusing technology exposure with technology education.
And I think what these tools were initially created or

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is engagement, which is getting your kids or users to click,
scroll and stay on them as long as possible, and
we've confused that with education. And so what this Safe
Act does is really drawing a line and saying that
it's not only just the laptop, but it's the software
inside that determines if our kids are actually learning or

(22:20):
if they're just being distracted. And we need a standard
to make sure that these tools are safe, legal, and effective.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, Representative, I liked your comparison of we're treating our
public schools K through twelve like it's a control group
or it's being used that way. You have a background
in technology. I saw a study that showed that students
who write and take notes and actually take the notes
retain better than if they were typing. Have you seen
that kind of data and what's your take on where
technology fits in the classroom. Are they losing some of

(22:48):
those fundamental skill sets that they that we used to learn?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
You know, yesterday we had a press conference with doctor
Horvac and he's had all of the and information that
I think would be great to share at some point.
But I think we are losing a lot of the
skills that we learned reading comprehension. With AI coming out,
kids are not learning how to write anymore. Right, AI

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is writing for them, and then what they're doing is
they're just editing and saying Okay, well this sounds good.
Let me turn this in and so we really are
losing those core skills that education used to have, that
you and I and.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
We all grew up with this great technology that we
have at our disposal now. It came upon us so
quickly and almost seem like we we wanted to get
it into the classroom. There is a feeling it would
really help our kids. Are you saying we need to
back down a little bit, rethink this and make sure
we have a well thought out plan as to how
to use this technology in the classroom today?

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Represent absolutely. I think we've been confusing a couple of things.
And let me explain that there's curriculum, which is what
we teach, and then there's gogi, which is how we teach.
Those two have been confused. We definitely should teach technology
in schools, but how we teach it it shouldn't be

(24:10):
we teach everything through technology. And I think that's the
confusion of Yes, we do need to teach technology. We
need to make sure that we train our workforce so
that they understand the technology that will be used in
the future, but we shouldn't teach everything through technology, And
what we're seeing is through studies is that people learn
better with analog, and so I think we do need

(24:32):
to be more thoughtful. We do need a clear standard
of how this software is being introduced to our kids.
And what we're seeing with some of this ed tech
is that they are literally the same companies that create
social media, and they white label it, call it something different,
and they throw it in our classrooms. And that's what
I'm worried is that it's becoming a digital babysitter for

(24:52):
our kids and not an actual curriculum that they're learning from.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So let me ask you this, So in your bill,
how do you foresee that rolling out?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Is it a ban on day one? Is it? Is
it the same uniform policy across all school districts?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Are you looking at the las the school districts to
come back with a plan. How do you how do
you envision getting the technology out of the classroom to
the extent where students are learning some of the fundamental
things that we've all learned in school.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
So the first thing is just creating a standard of
what what does these the what do these tools need
in order to be cleared as safe, legal, and effective?
And we we've partnered with some technologists, We've partnered with academia,
We've also partnered with some experts in the space to
declare this is kind of the the baseline standard that

(25:42):
if these ed tech companies can say, yes, we do
all of these things, then that's that's the standard. The
other piece of this is privacy. We're making sure that
no information and data is being collected from our kids
to then be trained on in future iterations of their product.
The other thing that we're really worried about is making

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sure that these tech companies are the ones who are
are being held responsible for these tools, and that we're
asking them to partner with us to make sure that
their products are both secure and safe and not putting
that burden on our overworked teachers.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Representative, by the sounds of things, you know, I don't
know where you fell on this, but is removing cell
phones from classrooms not enough?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Obviously you think we should go further?

Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yes, I think the huge distraction. I've spent some time
in the classroom substitute teaching, knowing that I would vote
on bills and education, and I'll tell you, even with
the cell bands from the beginning bell of class to
the end of class. Students still pull it out and
they're still distracted. I taught a technology class and their

(27:00):
streams constantly in front of them, and the curriculum as
I read through it is okay, everyone, take out your chromebooks,
hand out the paper, do this assignment, and come ask
me if I have questions. And so we just continue
to throw more screens and distractions at these kids. We've
learned from studies that people have a hard time at multitasking,

(27:21):
and what we've done is giving them more and more devices,
forcing them to multitask. And what happens is they're not
actually grasping and learning the concepts they should. They're just
learning how to better shift their mind from one thing
to another using these tools and these devices.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Say Representative Doug fia Fia joining us on our Newsmaker line,
talking about keeping technology in the classroom, Greg ghy, can't
we go back to the old ways of learning to write,
learning to read?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
The back to the future, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
There? Should try a movie like that?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
No, I think it has a ring to it.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, more coming up on the Roden, Greg, Joe,
did you ever do anything that embarrassed your wife.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Now that direct question would be how many how many
I would say innumerables. My answer would.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Be I think I have to. That's why I found
this story so funny. Apparently Lomani Milania uh Trump's dancing.
She thinks it's kind of embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, it's you know, it's his own style. I mean,
if you saw that at a wedding reception, you know,
you would be like, well, that guy's three sheets to
the wind. He's not really with us anymore, but he's
stone cold, sober moving like that.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So he gets in front of the house yesterday talking
about it, and he did the dance. Yeah, and he said,
my wife hates it when I do this. That's funny.
So Milania does not like the dances.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
She's not into that whole Ymcao, shut in your hips.
That's not her.

Speaker 7 (28:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
When we come back, we'll get your thoughts on what
happened in Minneapolis today. It's involved in a shooting. All
kinds of explanations as to what happened, and we'll hear
from you coming up in the next hour. Mayhem in
Minneapolis today.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, well, you know what, I actually think that the leftists,
the elitists, the Democrats, their regime media. I think they
this isn't over for them. It won't be over unless
that city burns. They want, they want the riots. They
want to create so much violence, so much chaos, so
much destruction that the American people will want President Trump

(29:23):
and ICE to stop. That's how they get their way.
They want to terrorize the population so that they will
say to President Trump, stop doing what you're doing, so
that this will stop. And that's that's that's their tactic.
So I don't think they're done. I think they are
looking for riots. I think they want violence to continue
and to be escalated from here.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I agree with you, they've wanted something to happen like
this because they're going to say, see, look at Ice.
Look what they're doing. They're killing the American people. Well,
a woman who was shot and killed today during a
during during an ICE operation there in Minneapolis. Her car was,
you know, was sideways in the road. She was trying
to ICE vehicles from getting to where they're going. ICE

(30:03):
came up to her asked her to move. She took off,
but there was an officer right in front of the vehicle,
and you can see she backs up and then takes off,
a little bit went right for him, and he shot
and killed her. And come to find out she is
a liberal protest activist, not from Minnesota but from Missouri.
And you know, and now you have here, you have
the dem saying, well, she was just trying to get

(30:24):
out of the way, or see what happens when life
is in our community creating chaos. And on the other
side you've got Ice saying she she came for us.
What are we supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, So here's here's the issue. They have the Department
of Homeland Security. They're reporting an over eight thousand percent increase,
amazing in death threats against their agents. Uh, these aren't
This isn't law enforcement. It's not that they're overreaching. It's
that it's self preservation, it's self defense. But what really

(30:54):
drives me crazy is just go through the mental exercise
of let's just flip the circumstances. Let's say this was
a protest of right of center. Let's say heaven forbid,
these were pro lifers. Were just decided, you know what,
we're done, just protesting peacefully. We're gonna do what that
what these these guys are doing. We're gonna start you know,
obstructing the people trying to get into the We're gonna
start hurtling things at them. We're gonna, we're gonna, you know,

(31:16):
we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Park our vehicles in front of our obstruction.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
We're gonna, we're gonna engage in criminal obstruction. Okay. And
then imagine that the person who was the most brazen
in this didn't even come from the area in which
they were protesting this. Say it was some abortion clinic
and they were pro life. The media would not pause
for one nano second to say that the person shot
was was hired and was a paid professional to create

(31:41):
the chaos, that this is a radicalism, that is, you know,
a threat to democrat. They would go on and on
and on, and there would be no pause, and that
all the blame would be laid at the feet of
the people that were acting in a lawless way. That's
all we're talking about. Take the topic away and just say,
can you obstruct members of law enforcement local, state, or federal?

(32:01):
The answers no, no, so what they tell you to do?
Can you hurl de breed? Can you attack the agents
or the law enforcement? The answered all these things are no,
It's not yes. Today and now they've overreached. The ice
agents have overreached, and I just think that they so
badly want all of this. And I just saw a
video where they're smashing windows at a federal courthouse in Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'm seeing video now huge protest underway in Minneapolis, a
candlelight vigil apparently not going.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
They will not be happy until what happened today results
in the destruction of private property and riots.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, let's get you caught up on what happened today.
Christy Nome, the head of the Department of Homeland Security
in Minneapolis, just a short time ago and explained what
exactly happened.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
So with Governor Walls and spoke to him as well.
I want to reiterate first with all of you the facts.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Of what happened today.

Speaker 8 (32:56):
At ten twenty five am Central time, Immigration and Customs
and Enforcement were carrying out lawful operations here in Minneapolis
because of the adverse whether that Minneapolis has seen in
recent snow. One of the vehicles became stuck and ensnared
in the snow. Law enforcement were attempting to push out
this vehicle, and when a mob of agitators that were

(33:16):
harassing them all day began blocking them in, shouting at them,
and impeding law enforcement operations. ICE officers and agents approached
the vehicle of the individual in question, who was blocking
the officers in with her vehicle, and she had been
stalking and impeding their work all throughout the day. ICE
agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the car

(33:37):
and to stop instructing obstructing law enforcement, but she refused
to obey their commands. She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle,
and she attempted to run an law enforcement officer over.
This appears as an attempt to kill or to cause
bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic domestic terrorism.

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The ICE officer, fearing for his life and the other
officers around him and the safety of the public, fired
defensive shots. He was just training to save his own
life and that of his colleagues. He was treated at
a local hospital, has been released and is now with family.
I encourage the American people at this point in time
to pray for him, but also to pray for the
deceased family and her loved ones. Today alone in this country,

(34:23):
there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal
officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened
here in Minneapolis. We've seen over one hundred of these
vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
And this must stop. Yeah, this must stop. And she's
absolutely right. But then you have the mayors and the governor,
Mayor Jacob Frye reacting after only seeing one video, one
shot of what happened, calling it BS saying Ice is
spinning this story and it's not true. You tell, I
mean his language in this, Greg, I mean using the

(34:58):
word BS telling.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
By the way, folks, that's not what he said. He's
he's using the initials for what he said. He was
swearing up quite as.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, well, Telly Knights to get the f out of
the Minneapolis I mean toning down the situation. Nice job, Mayor.
And then you have Walls out there, who has now
become a joke to most Americans because of what has
happened there. I tell you what, Greg, I agree. I
think those on the left have been almost it's this
horrible say, but almost hoping that something like this would happen.

(35:31):
It just gives them more ammunition to go after Rice.
And all Ice is doing is doing their job as
she indicated, they've been in Minneapolis. What they've been doing,
they've been tracking down people who have committed sex crimes
against children, pedophiles who are in this country illegally, trying
to find them and get them out of this country.

(35:52):
Yet apparently Minnesotans are okay with that. I don't get there,
and I will.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Tell you that that it's I've heard some reports, I
mean some people that whether the reporters or Jonathan Turley
that's said that, you know, complaining about the mayor Jacob Fries,
really incendiary comments about you know, swearing it's the claims
of self defense or bs because he's seen the video,
which he's incorrect, but because there's been four that absolutely

(36:20):
corroborate what the ICE agent was going through in that
split second. But it's not People ask the question out loud,
does he does he want a riot? Let me answer it. Yes, yes,
he did this for Floyd. He did this in the
George Floyd mess and he's doing it now and it
is absolutely his goal to see that city burn. They
feel that they benefited politically well from the George Floyd riots.

(36:43):
They felt they gained more control and this is a
time where they don't know how to stop Donald Trump,
they don't know how to stop the enforcement of immigration
laws and this. If they can get this thing to
a full blown riot with a city burning, maybe that's
enough to strike fear in the hearts of Americans that
they'll turn on this bread and law enforcement and no
longer want Ice or the federal law enforcement to do

(37:05):
their jobs and enforce immigration law. For me, wants shame
on you. I don't know that they can play this
game twice and the American people are going to buy
along with it. I don't think the Democrats have any
credibility in the eyes of the American people right now.
But to answer that question, I would absolutely bet. I
bet my friend's left arm, De's left arm that and
his right arm that the maryor Jacob Fry is looking

(37:28):
to start a riot.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Oh sure he wants it to start. Yeah, Well, he's
got a large crowd out there tonight. There's a big,
big protest taking place right now. I'm looking at on
the monitor here in the studio taking place right now.
I'm with you, Greg, I think they want this to
develop into into rioting because they think it wins them points. Well,
let's go back we found out what George Floyd, who
George Floyd is Okay, yep, and he's not this hero,

(37:51):
this savior that the left painted him to be. They'll
do the same thing with this woman. This woman, by
the way, who was killed and shot and killed today
by Ice was not even from Minneapolis. No, she's from Missouri.
She's a paid pro activist.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah she is. She is paid to antagonize, she's paid
to cause civil unrest, disruption.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
She is.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And you know that's what these again, a federal law
enforcement if there's a moment when the wrong things happen.
And I don't think anyone's perfect, and I don't think
everyone inside of any federal law enforcement agency is perfect.
It would be in the mundane or the moments where
that people don't feel that they're being watched, where they
may do something they're not supposed to do. But Ice,

(38:32):
these are these federal law enforcement officials. They are under
constant cameras, and they are they know what's happening, and
they are actually permitting more unlawful act around them. In
terms of people being aggressive towards them. They are tolerating
a lot more than if it wasn't this type of
notoriety that you just wouldn't. No one, no member of

(38:54):
law enforcement would let members of the members of the
public hurl things at them, obstruct them, try to harm them.
They just wouldn't. But they've been incredibly patient up till now.
And I think even him, I think he just had
a split second. This person's driving a car at a
high rate right at him, and he did what he
was trained to do.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, well, I know we need to break but I
want to mention one more thing. You brought this up
as we were talking off the year earlier. Remember the
guy it was in Washington, DC who threw the submarine sandwich. Yeah,
the other guy's face, and he got off. He did it,
went before grand jury. They decided not to charge him
with anything. Right, that only sets up more violence, in
my opinion. But because people are going to say, well,

(39:31):
you can throw a sub sandwich at an off, sir,
I guess I can do something even more and I'll
get off. That's correct, And that is sending such a
disturbing message to people in this country. You can treat
law enforcement any way you want and get away with it.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, they're making heroes this regime. Media makes heroes out
of these law breakers, and so you get worse. They
keep pushing the envelope.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, your phone calls, your thoughts on this what
a day it has been? Yet again eight eight eight
five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight five
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dial pound two fifteen and say hey Rod, or download
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can leave us a talkback message as well. Your calls,
your comments. Coming up on the Rott and Gregg Show,
there was a woman who was shot and killed after

(40:12):
driving her vehicle threatening weaponizing her vehicle against an Ice
agent who was in Minneapolis today. They were there to
pull Apparently there's been a lot of snow in Minneapolis.
You can see that in the video. Apparently one of
the government vehicles was stuck in the snow. Ice agents
showed up to get it out of the snow, and
that's when a crowd started gathering and going after the

(40:32):
Ice agents. At one time, this woman was blocking their
efforts to get this vehicle out. Her car was right
in the middle of the street. They went up after
her to move. She eventually did, but when she did,
she turned down the gas looks like she really gunned
it and aimed right for an ICE agent who, to
protect himself, shot and killed her.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yep, that's that look. I just I just played for Rod.
I saw online a rolls clip frame by frame saw
motion of the ICE agent is struck by the car.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was taken into the hospital for true.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
So it's not if or it looks like it may
I saw it here and so those are just things
that are not acceptable in civilized society. We're not able
to do this that the media doesn't want to the
media really gives the general public if they're not aware
that you can't go after ICE agents or any federal
law enforcement officer or state or local, it gives them

(41:24):
a false sense of moral justification that they can do
what they're doing. And this is the end result that
something terrible was going to happen, which it did. Do
you ever hear of an emotional hedge bet. Emotional hedge
bet is say when I vote, when I bet against
my Steelers, I would do that because if I were
to win the bet and my team lost, well then

(41:46):
it's like a consolation prize. I get paid for the mosing.
Here's my emotional hedge bet. I bet that I'm watching
the TV right now and people are all gathering in
Minneapolis right now. I think there will be riots. I
think they will there will be violence here, and I
think as by it's as designed, and I'm calling it
out early because I think it's a plan. I don't
think it's organic. I don't think it's spontaneous. Now I

(42:07):
call it an emotional hedgeback because I don't want that
to happen. I don't want because what ultimately would happen
is that it would make the American people afraid and
they would begin to want the President to stop his
Ice efforts for doing it. So I hope it doesn't happen.
But I think it is absolutely the intention of those
that are justifying it and misrepresenting it that they want
to see violence.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
To wait, wait a minute, you're telling me that the
mayor of that city who basically said today that the
excuse Ice is giving for the shooting is nothing but
bs and he basically told Ice to get the f
out of his city.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, at the same time telling Minnesota is to be calm,
to exercise their First Amendment rice, but don't be violent.
So you're telling me that they are going to be
violent tonight, that's your guest, that's your.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
There's already I've already seen the court the Federal Court
House windows smashed, so we know that that's already occurred.
But no, I do I think and I think him
saying at the end of it, yeah, but let's be
let's let's commenced all the violence, and and and says
so irresponsibly. I mean, there isn't a single homicide that
I would imagine if that would get any attention in
that city, that the mayor wouldn't say, we're disturbed by

(43:14):
the initial images. We were having a full investigation. We'll
get back to you when we know more. You would
say that in the aftermath of anything anyone responsible would
for him to say so resolutely, so factually, without any
room for any other interpretation, that they the ices lied,
there was no self defense. They need to leave the city.
They are here, he says, they are here to kill

(43:35):
people in Minneapolis. That's why they're here, to kill people,
innocent people, kis and to use that kind of language.
There's only one goal he's after, and that is to
create a riot. And I and he can say at
the end, and let's not let's be let's be better.
You can punch someone in the face and say and
let's be let's let's avoid violence. Okay, after you just

(43:57):
crack them in the nose. He just it doesn't it
doesn't matter. So I hope it doesn't happen because I
think it plays into the leftist's handbook, but playbook. But
I do, I do think it will all.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Right here, Lara, we'll be talking atah, we'll see, let's see.
I hope not like you were saying. Greg. Here's a
comment on our talkback line tonight.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
This is Alan Taylorsville.

Speaker 10 (44:16):
On the left, the only time there is a deadly
weapon is when there is a gun. They never consider
that a knife, a car, a brick, a bat could
be a deadly weapon. The only time of cop should
be able to use a gun, according to the left,
is when a gun is used against them. This woman

(44:37):
was using a deadly weapon against this.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Officer, yes, and there is you know, indications are she
did strike the officer. He was taken to the hospital
and treated today. You're right. Here's another comment on our
talkback line regarding.

Speaker 11 (44:49):
The deceased in Minneapolis. I just hope that when her
family sues for wrongful death, which they will, the government
just doesn't and pay him out. They actually fight him.
I don't know, seems right.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I'm with him.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, you know what happened.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
You just you hate to see anyone rewarded for criminal behavior.
And I'm telling you that this. You don't want to
see anyone die. But she's a paid protester, she's from
out of state. She's only there for one reason, and
that is to be an antagonist, to create the chaos
that she did, the civil unrest, and she went too
far and this is what's resulted. But again, they the

(45:28):
left has been willing to sacrifice any organized, you know,
professional protester. They would sacrifice any of them if they
could use it as a springboard to create civil unrest
and riots to stop Trump President Trump from doing what
he's doing.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Here's a message already coming from the Democrats. She was
just trying to get out of the way. Oh yeah,
she was the officer. She was just trying to get out.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Here's the simple test. Can you can any everyday American
use that? Just take that video. Imagine you're behind the wheel,
and let's say that you weren't fired upon or they missed,
and would you be able to say, I was just
kidding out, what Yeah, what's the big deal? H No,
you would you would be or if you hadn't been shot,
which happened there, you'd be arrested and you'd be thrown

(46:14):
in jail because you can't act the way they're acting,
and the left doesn't want to tell the American people that,
and then they get this distorted view of what's acceptable
in the excuse.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And the excuse. All right, We've got more coming up.
It is the Rotting Greg Show. Your phone calls eighty
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I wanted to add this to the discussion. Deny Ice
has been under constant criticism ever since Donald Trump became

(46:46):
president of the United States for a second time and
he said, we're going after illegal immigration in this country.
I promised you I would do it during the campaign.
He has been successful in shutting down the border, and
he told Ice throughout the country, go get the bad guys,
people who are in this country illegally to begin with,
and people who have been allowed to permit crimes or

(47:06):
commit crimes in this country. Well they're here illegally. That's
exactly what ICE has been trying to do. Weed out
these people. But you have mayors or governors in blue
states who are basically I don't need are they telling
them not to cooperate with ICE. They are, you know, they're.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Utan cities and statutes and in the state legislatures of
these respective blue cities and blue states saying that you
don't have to or you cannot work with or cooperate
with ICE, you know. And then they have the gall
to say, well, with no coordination with local law enforcement,
they did all these things. Well, that's because that's what
you've yeah created. That's that's the rules that you made

(47:45):
that they're not allowed.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's what Wall said today. He said, they didn't even
notify us they were going to be here. Yeah, Well,
probably because you don't want to cooperate them. If you would,
you could have your officers out on the street telling
these protesters get away from ICE, let them do their job.
But instead they're doing nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
And look that's not a theory. Just look at any
of these major cities they have I mean you look
at Pritzker and Illinois Governor Pritsker. They have said absolutely,
they've trne to bright Line. We're not helping you, we're
not letting you. We're making it illegally for you to
come into our state buildings.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
They've done everything in their power to obstruct and to
make it harder for these these federal agents.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's go to the phones. We're
getting your comments on the effect of effectiveness of ice.
Do you support what they're doing? Eight eight eight five
seven o eight zero one zero on your cell phone,
dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, to the
phones we go. We talked with Greg in Park City. Hi, Greg,
how are you hello?

Speaker 9 (48:42):
Hey, Gag, Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, go ahead, real quick, Greg, go ahead, hear me? Yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
I think it's a setup.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I think it's set up.

Speaker 9 (48:51):
I mean, Waltz just got booked for all that Somalia stuff,
and I think it's a setup.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
It's sad, simp so I guess he thinks that, you know,
setting up to kill an American is so.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, And I'll tell you, I will tell you this
if they could they they we I had heard it
a day or two ago that there were two thousand
agents going into that area. This was this isn't this
was known. In fact, that's what led to the Hilton
that was saying, you can't stay here. Yeah, so maybe
this operation, Yeah, this operation was building up and this
was coming. I could easily see what Greg is saying

(49:27):
where the leftists and elitists and democrats and the regime
media wanted to create as much hostility and as much
obstruction and as much attention to the ICE enforcement negative
attention as possible to try and deflect and try to
parlor trick their way out of the massive, multi billion
dollar fraud that they've allowed to happen to taxpayers and

(49:49):
the people there in Minnesota. So it's not beyond their
own possibility for me that that two agendas. One that
they got caught, you know, funneling money the size of
the Grand Canyon, a hole that they could just send
forever they got caught doing it. And then they've always
wanted to stop ICE and they want you to look
at the ICE obstruction more than the fraud.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And here's what prompted this today. According to Christy no Ime,
here you have ice agents. They've had snow in Minneapolis
this time of the year, that's very typical. They had
a vehicle stuck. They were in there trying to get
this vehicle out of the snow bank or whatever it
was stuck in, and all of a sudden, crowd starts
to show up and tells them to get the daylights
out of What people were looking for?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Were they looking for the really good, upstanding Americans or
the child predators? I thought that they said that there
were criminals that committed crimes against children that specifically they
were outstanding warrants there they were looking for again back
to the worst of the worst that liberal courts have
caught and released into the public and are posing a
danger to the general public. That's who they're looking for.

(50:51):
But but yeah, here's my question to our listeners. Does
this scare you? So let's say there's violence tonight, or
let's just say that this is the new narrative. They
just want you to think that the ice is just
out to kill people. Do you believe it? If you
see violence and in Minneapolis, does that make you feel
that that Donald Trump should not be enforcing federal law

(51:11):
anymore with Ice, and that we should just stop. I'm
curious if that tactic from the left will have any
merit with anyone now. I suspect our listeners are all
smarter than that, I hope. But what's their observation? What
is their observation in this? Do they think it'll work
even if it's not they themselves? Them themselves? Do they
think that this this will work in terms of having

(51:32):
a chilling effect on ICE enforcing immigration law. The what
they've what they've really pushed. They've been waiting for this
for a long time. They've been trying to make this happen.
They finally got something that they think they can run
with the left. Will it work? I mean, look they
got They successfully got Elon Musk out a doge by
setting his dealerships on fire and attacking all the Tesla

(51:55):
takedown worked. It's absolutely worked. Will this work?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Will this work?

Speaker 12 (51:58):
All?

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
More of your calls and comments coming. It is the
Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine Okay, NRS two members a matter of fact
of the State Board of Education, one of them indicating
they're not going to seek reelection even though she'll be
there for another year, alleging corruption on the part of
state school board members. Well, a member of the school
board is going to join us and respond to that

(52:19):
coming out. But six oh five tonight they're on the
Roding Gregg Show, so stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
It should be interesting because they claim to all be conservatives.
This isn't a Republican versus Democrat ideological battle. This is
what we heard yesterday was from the right, from those
that campaigned to constituents of getting rid of DEI and
other things. The accusations that were made yesterday were is
that were that these school board members who are Republican,

(52:43):
who've committed to do these things in their campaigns, have
walked away from those campaign promises during their time as
school board members. And so we're going to have a
school board member on who's who has campaigned on these
things and would have a different version of events.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
All right, let's get back to our top story today,
of course, the shooting of a woman in Minneapolis by
an officer of ice who she was apparently trying or
allegedly trying to run over. The video is pretty clear
that's what she was going to do. She has been
identified as thirty seven year old Renee Nicole good Now,
her wife appear. It says that she was filming her

(53:26):
wife as they blocked the vehicle, So she was outside
the vehicle watching her wife try.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
And it's probably how they get paid. Yeah, it's probably
how they get You know, they're going to be a
paid to antagonize and create chaos. They probably have to
show it to get the money.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
She is seen wearing a flannel shirt walking around the
vehicle recording NICCE officers. She later runs back to the
vehicle to check on Renee. Afterwards, she tells the nearby man,
that's my wife. When he asked if she knows any
of her wife's relatives she could call, she responds, we're
new here. I don't have people. I can't even breathe

(54:03):
right now. Why was she outside the vehicle filming, Well,
her wife was blocking ice officers, Very very good question.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Well we know why. That's because they were paid to
do what they were doing. And that's how you document
your doing it. By the way, a TikTok lives of TikTok.
They're awesome. They're showing that the talking point that's going
out to try and blunt the rightful criticism that this
is a paid operative that's paid there they're calling this
is from three members, three different members of Congress, elanma Omar,

(54:33):
Jerry Nadler, and a Congresswoman Maxine Dexter, actually fours and
the Congresswoman Sarah Jacobs all using the term legal observer. Now,
that doesn't just roll off the tongue, right, ICE murdered
an American citizen and legal observer. I'm following the news
of a reported shooting of a legal observer by ICE.
They just and then you see the New Republic use

(54:55):
the term legal observer. So what they're trying to do
is they're trying to blunt that to say that's a
if it's a paid legal observer, it's a legal observer.
What in the world, I've never even heard of a
leg before today.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
All right, let's go back to our talk I glinds
to what some ofhe our listeners have to say about
what happened.

Speaker 12 (55:10):
Hey, you guys, So I've got two points for you.
So the first, I think ICE is doing a great job.
I do think that they should be getting paid more
when they go into those deep blue states and they
are facing an obscene amount of opposition. Second, why aren't
the governors in the Blue States being charged with harboring
a fugitive? I mean, if they're telling law enforcement not

(55:33):
to work with ice, then isn't that obstruction of justice?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
He's right, He's right. I think it is. I look,
it is. This is why there are some people in
America that feel it's fine to break the law because
the governors aren't being called out for this. The mayors
are not being called out for obstructing justice and stopping
law enforcement, federal law enforcement from enforcing federal laws. So

(56:02):
there's so much of that that's going on, and it's
just getting written as if you know, this is heroic
what these people are doing, and that pushes the envelope
and makes it worse. And that's why you see what
you're seeing you now, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
If you remember the sixties when southern governors were trying
to block federal officials from coming in trying to integrate schools, Greg,
this is probably worse we've seen since then. Yeah, you're
real honest, All right, Mark, coming up the third hour,
they're rotting. Greg Joe the Wingman Wednesday edition coming your
way on Talk Radio one oh five nine Canterius, I'm

(56:38):
rought Oarka.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I'm citizen. Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
All right, we had a rather interesting discussion we did
on the show last night, right about this time with
two members of the state school Board. One of them said, well,
both have now indicated they are not going to seek
reelection because they allege corruption on the state Board of Education.
All kinds of allegations being made. I don't know if
they got into any specifics as much as we wanted to,

(57:03):
but apparently that has angered some other men.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
They said, I'm that I'm curious about. But one of
the things that we gave them the opportunity, we said,
there's some pretty strong language in here, is that is
there any of it that you'd want to walk a
little bit back? I mean, you're you're accusing corruption. I
mean that's a that's a pretty serious charge. And there
was not the desire to walk back from the way
the state school board member wrote the letter of you know,

(57:30):
indicating she was not going to run for re elections.
So she they said, both of these members of the
state school Board said, it's really the problem on the right.
It's not the Democrats who get elected. They say they
know where they're at. It's that they feel the betrayal,
they say from conservatives or those that campaign is conservative
from the right. That's made being a member of the
school board not worth pursuing because it's they say, it's

(57:51):
it's pageantry, it's theater, it's not real.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Well, a member of the board who wants to take
issue with what they had to say is joining us
on our Newsmaker line right now. Is name is Cole Kelly,
a member of the state Board of Education. Cole, how
are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Hey, appreciate it, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
All right, Cole, your reaction to what is going around,
uh with these two members of the board who say
they aren't going to seek reelection.

Speaker 9 (58:17):
Well, I you know, I find it interesting that you're
gonna make an accusation and and then and then not
back up that accusation. I find that interesting. You know,
the as you mentioned, the language was very strong, corruption, bribery, kickbacks,

(58:37):
and uh. And so you know, if if those things
are happening, then then let's point them out. Let's get specific,
because if if those things are happening, you know, I'm
somebody who's who's more than willing to go after it
and to fight that fight. But but you can make
those accusations and then not back it up with specifics.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Well, call they said, it's you that's doing it. So
that's why I think that you've been very I think
you've been very pronounced to say show the receipts, because
you feel like you have some receipts in terms of
the work you're doing on the board. Let what I
tried to drill down on some specifics because I found
that the comment on social media was vague in terms
of these broad, really serious allegations. One of the examples

(59:25):
I have too, but the one I want to ask
you now is they said that if they said, if
you if you campaign on getting rid of DEI, then
you should support ordinances or board rule that would get
rid of DEI with it with the observation being that
what you passed ultimately passed was was not going to
get rid of DEI, was not going to have any

(59:47):
effect at all, and that the legislature and the board
were merely projecting to the public action when there was
none taking. And I followed that up to say, are
you saying that DEI in our public schools is as
rampant today as it was prior to the legislature's actions
or the State school Board's passage of rule. And they said, yeah, no,
it's it's just as rampant. It's going on uninterrupted. What

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would you say to that.

Speaker 9 (01:00:11):
You know, there are examples of DEI in our schools
still currently today, and and so you know, I would say, yes,
certainly that is taking place, all right. When those instances
are are are identified, they're in violation of the law,
and it's important for people to point those out. It's

(01:00:34):
important for us then to take action. What I'm finding
is that, okay, we do have a law in place. Okay,
A lot of times you have administrators who are very
weary of taking job action against teachers, primarily because of
the teachers' union, you know, and and so they they

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there's a fear there. And so then you say, okay, well,
what process that could happen next? Okay, Well, the State
Board and Education has you Pack And what that is
is it's the professional practice. It's looking at a teacher's
license and if it's a report of the you pack,
then our you Pack Council investigates it looks into it

(01:01:21):
and if there's a violation, then it comes before the
board and we can make a decision as to what
happens with that teacher's license. Right well, we're what we're
finding is and and this is where you know, the
claim is really quite interesting because okay, if if there's
a violation of the law, then let's identify it, let's

(01:01:43):
report it to you pack. And we're saying, wait a second,
we're finding that you pack is broken. And so our
board has been working and you know, you can go
to committee meetings in October and November, even in the December,
and our Law and Life and Seeing committee and really
the entire board is looking at you pack process and

(01:02:06):
overhauling that because it's you know, what we've got to
start doing is when a teacher violates the law, we've
got to start holding that teacher accountable. And so we're
in the process right now of reviewing you pack and
looking at the processes and making sure that if a
teacher violates the law, they are being held accountable. And

(01:02:27):
so you know that Greg has worked in government knows
it doesn't move quickly. Government does not move quickly. But
to say that we're doing nothing and that we're not
fulfilling those campaigns and paying promises. Is is just air
in ess.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So Cole, let me ask you this then, in expressing
their frustrations, is it over the issue that you bring
up that they feel the board should be stronger taking
stronger action against these teachers who may be violating the
new DEI guidelines. Is that where the frustration is coming from?
Do you think, Cole?

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I think so. But if if you go look
one of the things that I feel like our current board,
and you know, I'm seeing a lot of people. I
feel like this board that we have right now is
doing good work.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I really do.

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
And there's there's several new members of the board. I'm
one of those. I've been in office now for a year.
But we have Joanne Brittain who is from from the
Saint George area. We have Rod Hall from from north
who's two new board members. We've got Aaron Longitker that's
uh in the Sandy area and new board member and

(01:03:37):
and and and I you know, I feel like that
that we're moving this board in a good direction and
and good things are happening with this board, and so
you know, I think I think it damages the reputation
of the board. You'll find people people who are are
concerned about the direction of the board are are generally

(01:04:00):
left leaning people, and what they'll be crying for is
we got to get rid of the partisan elections in
the school board that's ruined our school board. And know
what partisan elections have actually done is it has allowed,
you know, the caucus process to really vet the candidates
and find out what their values are. And in my opinion,

(01:04:24):
I think the partisan elections in the state school board
elections has been the best thing to happen to the
state school board.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
You know what, I couldn't agree more. We fought for
years and years and years to do this very thing
because there's such large jurisdictions and there's not a lot
of money in those races come November, and so it's
very difficult or even in the primaries for people to
know because not a lot of people donate to those
races unless you're the unions, the teachers unions that donate
mightily to those races, but it gives a disproportionate contribution,

(01:04:53):
and you don't really get the kind of the fleshing
out of positions that you do in a Caucus convention cycle.
So we worked on that, and I'm glad to hear
you say it. I'd love for our listeners to know
call your background. I think you're a conservative. I think
you run as a Republican and I think that. But
you're also an educator. So in my experience, and I
chaired the Public Education Committee in the House, and it's
one of the toughest public policy issues a lawmaker confronts

(01:05:15):
because of the emotions involved. You've got teachers unions, you've
got parents, and it's one where friends come and go
and enemies seem to accumulate. So you are an educator
and you've done this for a long time, and where
I have found challenges with the teachers Union in our
state and certainly the national the NEA. Interestingly enough, you
are not a member of the UEA or the NA,
I don't believe, but maybe you could share with our

(01:05:37):
listeners some of your background that you bring to that board.
What are your bona fides if you're if someone's saying
that you guys are all.

Speaker 9 (01:05:43):
Corrupt, you know that's that's I'm glad that you bring
that up, because the board member making that accusation, it's
almost like we're in a competition to see who is
the most conservative, and there's this competition of who's who's
more conservative. Well, if we want to start that competition,
let's do this. Okay, that individual is also a teacher,

(01:06:07):
and that individual belongs to the UEA and belongs to
the NEA after my first two years of teaching. I
grew up in a home with a dad who was
a still worker, and he was a union guy through
and through, and I, you know, I grew up believing
that unions were looking out for the working man and
protecting the working man. And when I when I looked

(01:06:30):
into our union and I saw the activity and what
they were doing, I said that this organization does not
line up with my values. It does not line up
with my conservative values. So I've been in a classroom
for twenty nine years, and the first two years I
belonged to the UEA and the NEA. The last twenty
six years plus, I have not been a part of

(01:06:52):
that organization. And in fact, I've been very outsport outspoken
against it. You know, I was involved in the legislation
that was HB two sixty three, which you know, attempted
to make collective bargaining for the union against the law,
which which is needed because they have an absolute monopoly

(01:07:13):
on the negotiating process in our schools, and they use
that as a as a it was a whipping stick
to you know, get teachers influenced teachers to join their organization.
And so, yeah, you know, I've been a classroom teacher
and I've been outspoken against my teacher's union because I
feel like in a lot of ways, they've they've heard

(01:07:36):
education and heard the teaching profession.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, Cole, Now, there were two allegations as we talked
to the member of the board yesterday, when she basically said,
you know, sometimes we hear spiritual voices or spiritual names
being called. And the other allegation that we kind of
went what she said, we've got to stop tickling each other.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I mean literally, Yeah, are you that you can't talk
about serious policies because you're tickling each other.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
I also should mention I'm a former wrestling coach and
I'm not into tickling, you know. The board member. Yeah,
the board member is uh gave a board member message
here just a couple of board meetings ago, and in

(01:08:26):
that board member message, she quoted Timothy McVeigh and and
and the quote that she gave from Timothy McVay was
almost was praising his ideology and I and I just
it boggled my mind. I I texted a couple of

(01:08:47):
board members when that board member message was taking places.
Did did board member b August just praised Timothy McVeigh
and and they they heard the same thing. And you know,
you can go back. It actually went viral that that
clip went viral as well. And and I and I'm
just I'm just you know, it it's time to call

(01:09:08):
spade a spade. And you know, the the drama that
the board member Bogus has brought to to our board
is it's time to call it out, and it's time
to say enough is enough. And you know, I made
a Facebook post calling for her resignation because if we're
if we're morally bankrupt as as she claims that we are,

(01:09:31):
and she's not going to run for re election, then
then why not resign your position and let be the
Utah Republican Central Committee, you know, appoint something for the
final year of your term to serve in that position.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Well, Cole, I want you to know, Greg and I
have renewed interest in state school board meetings, especially if
you're having tickling. Hey, Cole, thanks for a few minutes
of your time. We appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:01):
Thank you for your time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
All right, that's cool.

Speaker 11 (01:10:03):
Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
He's a member of the Utah State Board of Education.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
He has a long post on Facebook. He's got a
Facebook post, and I think he tries to go over
some real strong examples of process. And look, I can
tell you when I was in let's say, Biden, maybe
we'll talk about when we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Okay, let's take a break and we'll get your thought.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
There is there is an art to getting votes in
math a of a job like that, and I think
it's worth discussing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Well you would know, all right, more coming up the
rod On Greg show on This wing Man Wednesday in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine O k n rs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
You don't get sick.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I don't. It's one of my superpowers. I never get sick.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
But I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I have some kind of cough and I've got my
nose is running. I hate that you get me sick. Oh,
and ladies and gentlemen, he gets sick his voice. He
goes to Barry White. Mode sounds like Barry White. He
it just it just gets real ugly. Don't you give
me I'm not aerosoling the place.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Well at the door open.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
And he gave me this little concoction too. I don't
even know what you say. It's lemonade, but I didn't
read it. I just put it right in this cup
of water. Yeah, I know, that's why I don't know,
hear him laugh. I have no idea what I'm consuming.
He says, it's going to be good for me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
We got to talk to the owners, you know, the
people run this place, because in this studio it's like
a sauna.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
You step outside and it's like an igloo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I know, yeah, we haven't. We have a temperature issue
in the studio for sure. And I was going fine
all day till I walked into this sauna, you know,
and all of a sudden, I hold all my something's
going wrong. But aside from my malady, rarely do I
get feel under the weather. I wanted to say this

(01:11:45):
as we were talking to Cole Kelly, who's on the
state school board. Here's the thing about a legislative body,
that form of government where you're not the executive branch.
You're not a president, you're not a governor, you're not
a department had You're not the one person makes all
the decisions. You have to have you have a fifty
percent plus one math equation in front of you by

(01:12:06):
members of boards that are elected or legislature, you know,
a legislative committee, whatever you have, what county commission, whatever
it is. There is a math to that where if
you have an ordinance, a bill, a law, something that
you want to pass, a rule and it requires a vote,
you have to understand that everyone might not see the

(01:12:27):
world or the best approach to public policy identically to
the way you do, like mirroring your every word. So
there's this yeah, because human beings are just different, they're
built different, they think different. There may be a concern
and so one of the arts of getting good legislation
passed that takes the status quot. If you think the
status quo is not serving us and we need something better,

(01:12:48):
you you put your first crack at it. You write
a bill. People will have concerns. Inevitably, if you want
people to read the bill, you don't want people just
to swallow a hole there that they're getting. That's what
Congress does. They don't even know what's inside that bill
when they vote up or down. You want there to
be deliberation. Well, when you get that, you have people
that will have concerns, and then you begin to resolve
those concerns. There's a limit to that. If you feel

(01:13:10):
that you've accepted amendments, you've made some changes, you found
common ground, but at the end of the day, you're
not moving the needle anymore. The status quo actually gets
to prevail, then you don't have to vote for it.
You can throw it away. You can vote against. But
if it's better than the status quo. But in order
to get it passed, you had to hear what concerns were,
resolve those you support it. It's called don't let perfect

(01:13:33):
be the enemy of good.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
If you don't understand, I would say this to lawmakers.
They had a bill. They didn't want any amendments, they
want no changes. It is they are convinced it is the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Only way to go solve an issue. Come up with
then new and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
They might be right. But if you can't get to
the math, a fifty percent plus one and a committee
on a floor vote in the Senate in their committee
and then on their floor vote. If you can't get
to the math of fifty percent plus one, then you're
never going to move that. Then you're the best unto
the status quo. They love you because you'll accept no amendments.
You're going to go up or down. And as long
as you keep failing, the status quo keeps succeeding. So

(01:14:08):
I say to those people that have that mindset where
they don't get the math, if that's how you want
to proceed, then you shouldn't really be in a legislative
type process. You should be an author of books and
a giver of speeches. Because you can author a book
and whatever you want to share how the world ought
to be. You can give a speech and say how
the world ought to be, give speeches, write books. But

(01:14:28):
if you want to pass laws or rules or anything
like that, you have to understand the math of what
that process is. And again I would go back to, well, well,
don't compromise your principles.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You never compromise your principles. But there's a lot of
space between losing your principles and getting to a place
where it's good. It might not be your perfect. But
it's good if it changes the status quo in a
positive way. And that's kind of your barometer when you
do this and Congress does nothing like it. They just
get bills up or down. It's ten thousand pages long.
They don't know what's inside. That's the worst case scenario.

(01:15:00):
You don't want those upper down belts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
No, you do none good explanation. Appreciate that. All right,
more coming up, Well we come back. We'll talk about
Venezuela and the global oil industry. What does it all mean?
That's coming up right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Okay, n rs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Well I'm against that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, stone mountains, I'm fine knowing the mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
No stone mountains, Fine, I don't want any snow here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Oh just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
No, I like it warmer, Yeah, Well, doing what I
can to increase that carbon footprint.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
You are a bit of a woos Last night filled
up my vehicle with gas forty dollars slightly over forty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
So you like the premium life had I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Used the super premium fifty gallon tank.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
So how much a gallon?

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I think it was two seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
So if you're under three bucks. Because I was in
Washington County just between Christmas and New Year's it was
three thirty nine a gallon for premium. Well that's because
they're so can you Yeah, yeah, doing that and the
then so but the cheapest I have found is three
tozho three for premium, So you're it two.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
What seventy nine?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
That's a good deal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
That's a really good Era was saying, Yeah, a member
of his family, I think it was a sister or
something found gas.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Like two nineteen. Yeah, that's that's that's a regular unleaded. Yeah,
so that's good. Again, we have been consistently about a
buck more expensive a gallon than Colorado Blue State, Liberal Colorado,
and which has been a rub. So I'd like to
see our if our prices are going down, I just
want to see do we ever get closer? Does that
mean Colorado is actually still lower than we are. I

(01:16:29):
actually think there's a point where you can get too low.
If the barrel cut is value your forty, you're in
trouble or you know, there is a there is a
point where it doesn't make any financial sense for them
to extract anymore. You don't want to get there. But
I think that high one, you know, two dollars a
gallon range anywhere there were that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Why I remember hearing one day Greg forty dollars a
barrel is about the breaking point where they go, Okay,
that's too long.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, no, it's not there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I think it's at fifty five something like that right now.
But filling up was right, and you think about you know,
I'm putting anywhere from fifty five to sixty dollars a
few months ago. Now I'm putting forty forty two. That's
fifteen dollars in my pocket. I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
That's why I think everyday Americans and certainly US, we
watch those gas prices. They mean something, Yeah, they absolutely
mean something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Well, with the removal of Nicholas Maduro and his wife
from Venezuela and the vast oil resources there in Venezuela,
what does it mean for the global oil industry? Joining
us on our newsmaker line right now is Jason Isaac.
He is president of America Energy Works. Appreciate you joining
us tonight. Jason. Let me ask you, Jason, what about

(01:17:37):
give us your overall assessment of the oil market right now?
In light of what happened in Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Well, I think China's probably getting a little upset and
concerned about what's going on. You know, they've been threatening
the US with withholding critical elements, critical minerals, rare earth elements.
They control a vast majority that supply chain. In eight
out of ten barrels of oil that have been coming
from Venezuela have been going to China and they've been

(01:18:03):
processing that and refining that because they've expanded the refining
capacity on the backbone of cheap coal electricity. It's not
beautiful and clean like it is here in the United States,
and we need a lot more of it, but they're
expanding their refining capacity, exporting diesel, jet fuel and home
heating oil products. They've never been an exporter of energy before.
This is something that's just happened over the last year.

(01:18:26):
So now they're actually going have to buy oil at
market prices. So I imagine China's a little bit concerned
about this move.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
But for America, getting a lawless.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Dictator narco terrorist into custody is a great aspect for
rule of law, and hopefully that's something that returns to Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Well, my question is what is the role of the
United States play. Certainly, I think it's as you just described,
having those embargoes sanctions in place, making sure that that
oil isn't exported is a big win, especially in our hemisphere.
Is there also a win for the United States? Like
you know, gas prices are low, it doesn't look like
we're on supply side in any kind of trouble. But

(01:19:04):
does does the Venezuelan oil if accessed to or available
to the United States and our industries are our economy.
Is that is that as good or better than the
enforcing of embargoes and sanctions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
Yeah, it's really a win win when you look at
the situation, Your transportation costs or one of the highest
costs when you get goods to market. And so now
we're going to be transporting oil from Venezuela into the
US Golf Coast refineries of vast majority of which are
geared towards that heavy crude oil, not the light sweet
crew that comes out of the permium, but they're geared

(01:19:39):
towards producing that heavy crude oil. So we're reducing transportation
costs significantly by just bringing it up north. From Venezuela
into the Gulf of America rather than having to import
it from overseas. You know, Saudi Arabia are our friends
out there. So yeah, this is going to be continuing
to reduce costs for producers and which would be passed

(01:20:01):
on to consumers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Joining us on our newspaper line right now was Jason
isaac He as president of American Energy Works. Jason, let
me ask you this question, how important right now in
your opinion is it for the United States to maintain
control of Venezuelan and oil and to oversee it at
least for the immediate future. Is that important?

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
I think it really is, because really the best producers
on the planet, our American producers. We produce energy more
responsible than anywhere else, and we have the international courts
have ruled that there are several companies that are owed
billions of dollars from Venezuela because you had Maduro and
Chavez before, and which sees the assets. It's not inexpensive

(01:20:43):
to produce oil and gas and refine it into products
that are good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
For the market.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
It takes billions of dollars and so when you look
at some of these companies that are owed those billions
of dollars. It's not the companies. A lot of people
think there's just oh, big oil wants the profits. But
look who's behind big oil. Look who's behind some of
these companies. Look at who their shareholders are. These are
a lot of institutional shareholders. It's people that have pensions,
that have four h one k's that have been trusted

(01:21:08):
with companies to manage that money and get a return
on investment. It's teachers, it's firefighters, it's first responders that
have pensions that have been threatened by these seizures. And
so this first thirty to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Fifty million barrels of oil.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Will hopefully go to recoup some of the losses these
companies have faced. We really need predictable markets, and you
need this safety and security and rule of law for
these companies to seriously consider thinking about returning back to Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You know, I think back to the Biden administration, and
I want to say that I remember I recall President
Biden going to Venezuela, reaching out to Venezuela about supply,
and then going to OPEC and looking for supply and
make sure there were supply because they had midterms coming up.
They didn't want high gas prices and it was a
low point I think in a foreign policy and the
image of our president. But let me ask you this,

(01:21:56):
does OPEC see the United States move on and capturing
that supply oil from Venezuela. Is that a threat to them?
Or has his work in the Middle East maybe smoothed
that out where they can both exist with good supply
of oil in a world market.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Yeah, I don't. I think OPEC sees it as a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
If anything.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
What's happening is you're pulling off black market oil, So
it's going to potentially level the playing field. You get
rid of a huge supplier, the largest reserves in the
planet of this type of oil branded. It hasn't been
produced yet, it hasn't been pulled up out of the ground.
But still you get rid of this dark, black market

(01:22:35):
oil that's being ferried on these shadow ships. So you
get back to closer to a rule of law and
back to markets. And so I think OPEX sees this
as probably a benefit to their oil reserves.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
How much work will need to be done on the
infrastructure of Venzo oil and oil and or its refining process.
How much work is it going to take Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It's going to take billions of dollars in a couple
of years. You know, right now they're producing under a
million barrels a day. The US is producing fourteen million
barrels per day by comparison, so again, they have the
largest reserves. There's an incredible opportunity. I think best case scenarios,
they may be able to double their production in the
next two years, get up to about one point four
million barrels per day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
But this is going to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Provide affordable, reliable energy throughout the world, hopefully coming into
the Gulf of America and refined in our refineries and
benefiting Americans and helping the American consumers reduce their even
further reduce their cost of energy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Jason Isaac, he's with Energy Work. Talking about the situation
involving oil and Venezuela after the events of this past week.
Can be interesting to see the President said, you know,
he wants what is at fifty million dollars in oil
from Venezuela, and he'll use that money to pump it
back in to Venezuela and to get things going. So
I just think there's a great opportunity if we can

(01:23:53):
get the operation of the country figured out, who's going
to run it government like that because I think, like
I said back in the nineteen nineties, Venezuela was the
third most prosperous country in the Western Hemisphere, behind the
United States and Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
The exodus of people that have left Venezuela is second
only to Syria. And when you learn that, you learn
what people they did is they confiscated people's wealth and
all the economy that was going on in Venezuela, it
was taken from them. Well, as you see that country
being rid of that dictator that we as the United
States did not recognize as the rightful leader of that country,
if you can start to introduce reintroduce the economy that

(01:24:32):
helped them prosper for so long, and those people can
come back to that country and have a life again.
And that's always been Donald Trump's key, is that he's
always believed that you use economic prosperity to lift nations,
to lift communities. It's the free market that does it,
or some version where you have that opportunity, and certainly
not dictators and despots. So anyway, I think that that

(01:24:53):
is that not only strengthens US in our security, in
our hemisphere. But it restores a right. It brings a
justice and a right to a to so many people
that it had been wronged by Maduro and socialism.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Some final stories you may not have heard about today.
We'll get to those coming up. Final segment of the
Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Cannais citizen Greg Hughes and I'm brought our kent Now
before we leave, we thought we you'd like to hear
from our good friend Harriet. That's seeing that Harry went
out did a new poll as to how Americans feel
about the removal of Nicholas Maduro and his wife from Venezuela.

Speaker 13 (01:25:27):
It's it's been a dramatic change in a direction that
I think the President of the United States will like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Because what are we looking out here?

Speaker 13 (01:25:32):
Okay, us military austing Maduro pre ousting. What you saw
is the clear plurality of Americans opposed at forty sevencent
just twenty one percent support. Come over to this side
of the screen after the ousting. Look at that the
support through the roof.

Speaker 14 (01:25:45):
Now we're talking about thirty seven percent, well within the
margin of era. Right here of the opposition thirty eight percent.
It turns out Americans like what they deem to be
successful foreign policy operations, and in this case, they view
the austing Maduro, at least up to this point, as
a success one, and therefore the support way up there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
You go.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
They should, I mean they you know, the Democrats put
a bounty. The Biden administration had a bounty on his head.
What's that tell you? They wanted him to pose. They
wanted him out. Okay, twenty five million.

Speaker 8 (01:26:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Trump doubled it to fifty million. There's no change in
course there. They had this. The Biden administration had the
same objective as the Trump administration, except Trump would do
what Biden wouldn't do or any other present.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
That's why I call him. Do it, Don, That's right,
don do it. Don gotta Now remember the story yesterday.
You shared this information with our listeners about this new
tenant advocate who's going to be working for Zulandermandamie A. Weaver, Right, yes,
And come to find out she came.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Tom has one point six million dollar house in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Well, apparently she was confronted on the streets of New
York about this, right, by the media wanting to get
her reaction. She started running and crying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Isn't that something? Isn't it amazing? They live in bubble
where they can be so hypocritical, and then when you
call him out on it, they're brought to tears.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Did you think she ran away? She went into her home,
wouldn't come back out because they wanted to ask her
just her reaction?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
How did she think that would be found out? Like,
how did you think you're gonna live in a one
point six million dollar house when you're with mommy and daddy,
you're home and you're going to rip on private property?
And how it's white supremacy that house. It's a tutor
style home, one point six million dollars, white house, by
the way, painted white, very white supremacy. Is Oh yeah,
if you're gonna, if you're gonna attach private property to
white supremacy, it seems like it's like maybe the poster

(01:27:33):
child of white supremacy ish uh, you know messages if
that's if that's her message, which it is, and then
she lets her mom's house.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Well, speaking of Zutlander, Yeah, he made this bizarre promise
about World Cup tickets. He wanted to bring the price
down to the world. This is this is a good one,
and he kind of got humiliated. Apparently there's not a
World Cup match in New York City. It will take
place in New Jersey. So he had no control over
the prices.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Not just so on brand. I'm gonna you're gonna Rille
Lower subway for free, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It goes up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
The price goes up after he's elected.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Uh, we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
You don't have to pay anything to go to the
World Cup. Yeah, we don't have a World Cup maybe,
but boy, if we did, boy, you'd get in for free.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
If you were up to me, you'd get tickets for
thirty dollars. Not gonna happen because it's not gonna happen
in New York City They even have a stadium in
New York City anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I think they're all outside, aren't They all went to
New Jersey, all went to New Jersey. Well sorry, folks,
All right, that does it for us Tonight, head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of hours. Be safe out there. Greg
and I will be back tomorrow starting at four. They'll
talk to you then have a good

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