Replayed on November 30, 2025. Doug's insightful interview with Tommy O'Brien, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sports Talk seven to ninety second in the final hour
of today's program starts now, and I'm gonna lead it
off with a call to my good friend Tommy O'Brien
out there at black Hawk Country Club, who was honored
by Golf magazine and it's in the magazine. We can
really talk about it now as a teacher to watch
in this great country of ours. How's that feel, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh, it's it's pretty unbelievable, you know, to get recognized
by a lot of your peers and this and that
just just speaks volumes, you know. I mean, it's just humbling.
Dog very believe it to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, how long you've worked for this. I can
believe it. I don't know, probably believe in it at all.
I'll do I'll believe it twice so you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to believe you being on top of
the mountain by yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Did I hear that correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It was so fine. Dropped off of a helicopter, you know,
and he had to punch a skin in twice to
find a rock top me off on and I was
standing in waist deep snow. Yeah, So that was that
was pretty sporty couldn't move. That's okay, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, there's no excuse on number two. Then you should
not hear that hole anymore. If you can do that,
that's a good point. I'm just I'm just going to
air it out and go for it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So where to talk about the earliest part of your
golf instruction. Not not your little kids swinging the plastic club,
but when did you first feel like, you know, I
want to teach this game?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Honestly, in college when I was a walk on over
at Sam Houston State, my teammates were very good and
they would beat my brains out when they were playing
golf together. But for some reason, they would ask me
for help because they knew I was a student of
the game and I enjoyed that and whatnot. And one
of my teammates, Brandon Turner, would work with me a
(01:53):
little bit and Brand Kischnick and Brandon and Brand both
one Division one events, and they said that I held
them and I don't know how much I believe that
or not, but definitely made suggestions and I think it
helped him. As a kid growing up, I grew up
watching Jim Murphy teach at my home clubs, the country Club,
and he always looked like he was just having a
(02:16):
great time teaching, talking golf and literally, as he says,
making people stay.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And that's just kind of the direction I went.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I didn't have the greatest of playing careers, but I
did seem to connect to good players on the teaching level,
and that's just kind of where it went. And it's
just been kind of a divine experience ever since. With
who the Good Lord is put in front of me.
Teacher was to experience and to learn from. And that's
(02:44):
that's the big key with teaching is you know, having
good people.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Good good guys.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The no way more than you saying, hey, come out
and watch, and come out and learn and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Ask questions and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I started out working for Jim Murphy and the golf
and if he wouldn't let me teach for six months,
because you got to watch me for six months, that
you put out a good product, he says, you once
your once you're out and you've done something bad, then
the words.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Out on you.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
There.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's kind of in a nutshell how it started.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Now, Yeah, bad teachers don't stay teachers very long, do they.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, the dogs at chase cars and pros and chase cars,
none of them last very long.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
As Lee Trevino would say, Oh my word.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, something struck me when I when I saw
the what you sent me this morning where it says,
uh it says golf teachers to watch twenty six and
twenty you know, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. And
I think that maybe you should make a suggestion next
time they run a chart like that up put it
hit it golf teachers to hire.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Maybe you know, it's just a thought, exactly correct.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Just the thoughts you don't want. I'm staying at the
other end of the range watching you call me up.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Makes exactly Holy cow, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
That's correct. What would you do You even have one
piece of information that anybody gave you that really resonates
and is still just stuck in your brain all the
way today.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, the huge thing with teaching is the correct diagnosis.
I mean, Doug, there's.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So many theories and thoughts and things to do, and
I you know, I was I was blessed.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To be around.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jim Murphy and Jim Harty, who who showed me how
to properly diagnose the swing. They seem to have their
own theories and their ways of thinking on how to
swing a club, but impact is kind of indisputable. So
if I'm helping you, or helping anyone else in the world,
I feel like I've got a really good shot of
really helping them because, you know, let's say they went
to the doctor and they have a bum right elbow.
(04:49):
You know, if I'm sitting there looking at their left knee,
the whole lesson.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I'm off.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You know, I want to be able to help someone
help them quickly, and what's key to that is to
have the right diagnosis, whether it's with your health or
or with your golf health.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So at any rate, it's it's huge to have that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You can argue theory and whatnot all day, but you
can't argue what's wrong with someone's golf swing from an
impact perspective.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's that's just what's wrong. You know, if you have
the flu, you got the.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Flu, you know, so you need to take a tamil
flu there. So that's been the huge thing for me
over the years is really getting a good grasp of
diagnosing and then understanding what elements that I show people
how it applies to that to that problem.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, does it make it worse?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Is it make it better?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right there? And there's a specific way to kind of
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's it's reverse engineering, really, isn't it. You have you
already know the goal, You already know where the finish
line is. You just have to figure out how to
get them there. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, you're you're a detective.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, You're going back from the ball flight from the
ground and then you look at the golf swing and
and you kind of figure out where to apply a
small chain to create a different impact and go from there.
It's an amazing process. I've been blessed to learn from
a World Golf Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's an amazing process.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
What's interesting is how casually you talk about it and
how comfortable you are with talking about golf when a
lot of the people who are listening now are thinking, yeah,
but I don't know how I have to How do
I do that? And the way you get better I'll
patch you guys collectively as instructors on the back. The
way you get better at golf is learning from somebody
(06:32):
who understands the game and can actually teach the game
and not go into your scram or not you were scrambled,
but your little golf buddy on Saturday morning who's an
eighteen handicap and you're asking him about how to hit flopshots.
That's just it's not going to pay off, is.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I feel so sorry in our industry today and
our business, they'll put assistant golf pro listings and tell
them they'll make five or ten extra thousand dollars teaching
in a year, and I'm like, if they're not, if
they don't have any proper training there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And so you have to have someone who's willing to mentor,
and that's a lost art. Unfortunately in the in the
PGA of America for the most part, is that a
lot of corporate has taken over and pros times are
just taken away from playing the game and teaching the game,
and so these young kids that want to be golf
pros and PGA pros end up.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Quitting because they can't make enough to take care of themselves,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And again that's that's where I was blessed was that
I had people that were very willing to mentor and share.
I mean, i'ms I'm gonna see Chuck Cook to help
myself and to learn from him. He's eighty plus years old,
still learning and still willing to help other people.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I just that's how I want to be.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know, like me, I'm not eighty yet. I'm not
eighty yet, Tommy, but I'm still learning. Man, I'm trying.
I'm trying with all resolutely squeeze another five yards out
of that driver, get those chip shots a little closer.
I might be somebody someday.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're well, No, you're a love learn You give himself
credit if you just stay back. That's all you got
to dog. Just stay back.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, And honestly, that one little thing every time,
you know, here's here. I don't know whether you intended
to plant this seat in my head, but it's planted
in my head. Okay. You You got on me so
hard about staying back, staying back until impact, stay back
to impact. And you showed me on video and you
showed me when I freeze frame after a swing and
whatnot that I was pushing my whole body forward through
(08:29):
the ball. So Now, no matter where the ball, if
it doesn't go exactly where I wanted to go, all
I tell myself is stay back. I'm not linking, I'm
not thinking about anything else. Stay back and it works.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's well, and it does for you because the key
to hitting it really solid is to keep your arc
the same for the most part. When you narrow the arc,
that's when people really start to miss hit. I mean,
it might not hit it, you know awful, you know,
direction wise, but they'll miss it. And that's what most
people do. So that's something I mean to know if
someone's doing that or not. Like solid with compression, that's
(09:04):
the goal what every lasting DOUG is solid with compression.
And that could be straight, that could be a five
yard draw, that could be a five yard fage. The
key is solid with compression for me every single lesson,
And luckily I've been shown that by some really cool
instructors over the years. How to really emphasize that as.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
A reminder before we run out of time here, you
can you can teach anybody out there at black Hawk.
They don't have to be members to take lessons correct.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm blessed they let me teach anyone as.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Long as they follow the code, the dress code out here, Yes, please, absolutely,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, tucked in shirt, collar shirt, no, dim, there you go.
We're good to go on that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But get up, let's go. How do they find you, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They can find me on my website at TOMMYO golf
dot com. My phone numbers on there as well. Just
shoot a text go from there. I'm also on Instagram
at at Tommy O Golf, So if you want to
kind of see what I'm about and go from there,
you can.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You can do that absolutely, all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Right, partner, have a good day out there, Thanks Tommy. Yes, sir,
what a great guy. I've known him since he was
in his twenties, literally, I mean, and he's not anymore,
that's for sure. And I've seen him teaching at a
lot of different places around town, and every place he's
been he's done a good job. I'm sure they've They've
(10:24):
kept him as long as as a better offer didn't
come along. And I'm comfortable saying that he's comfortable where
he is right now. And I see him out there
giving lessons in one of the things that I admire,
and I'm sure it's something that most great golf teachers do.
But Jim Murphy was one of the first to kind
(10:45):
of show me or use this technique on me. All
of these guys are capable. They'll dig into your like you,
what do you what else do you do for fun?
What do you do? You like to fish, you like
to hunt? Do you like to go bowling? What? What
else do you do physically in your life other than golf?
And once they find out what you really like and
(11:06):
what you can really relate to other than trying to
swing a golf club, which none of us wake up
born and start swinging clubs. They help transmit the information
they're trying to get into your head by using some
sort of analogy that brings in that. I've heard Tommy
talk to me a lot about different things, like in
(11:29):
fishing and in baseball. There were baseball issues in my
swing for for a long long time. Same with my sons,
and he used analogies that incorporated baseball to tell us
what we needed to hear. Same thing with someone who
likes something else. I've heard him out there talking about
any and every other sport you can imagine and relating
(11:51):
it then to that person's golf swing, so that they
can understand better how he wants them to swing the club.
And in the end, it's kind of a just like
he said, impact is impact. It's got to be right.
And all he's trying to do is tell you and
me and everybody else who's getting a lesson from him.
All the great instructors do this. This is why he's
on that list of teachers to watch. They can make
(12:15):
it personal for you. And that's man, You'll you'll like
golf a lot more. I know I do. He's he's
helped me with a couple of things over the years.
He'll see me struggling and chopping up golf balls out
there and walk down to how's it going, Doug, like,
uh oh uh oh. He saw me. He saw me
hit that last one. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. And
I said, yeah, I didn't stay back on that one.
(12:36):
He yep. Every time, just every time. And it's it.
It's a process. It's not going to happen overnight. But
if you if you get in there and you go
through the process, you too can be a better golfer.
Sports Talk seven to ninety second in the final hour
of today's program starts now, and I'm gonna lead it
off with a call to my good friend Tommy O'Brien
out there at black Hawk Country Club, who was honored
by Golf magazine and it's in the magazine. We can
really talk about it now as a teacher to watch
in this great country of ours. How's that feel, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh, it's it's pretty unbelievable, you know, to get recognized
by a lot of your peers and this and that
just just speaks volumes, you know. I mean, it's just humbling.
Dog very believe it to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, how long you've worked for this. I can
believe it. I don't know, probably believe in it at all.
I'll do I'll believe it twice so you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to believe you being on top of
the mountain by yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Did I hear that correctly?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It was so fine. Dropped off of a helicopter, you know,
and he had to punch a skin in twice to
find a rock top me off on and I was
standing in waist deep snow. Yeah, So that was that
was pretty sporty couldn't move. That's okay, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, there's no excuse on number two. Then you should
not hear that hole anymore. If you can do that,
that's a good point. I'm just I'm just going to
air it out and go for it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So where to talk about the earliest part of your
golf instruction. Not not your little kids swinging the plastic club,
but when did you first feel like, you know, I
want to teach this game?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Honestly, in college when I was a walk on over
at Sam Houston State, my teammates were very good and
they would beat my brains out when they were playing
golf together. But for some reason, they would ask me
for help because they knew I was a student of
the game and I enjoyed that and whatnot. And one
of my teammates, Brandon Turner, would work with me a
(01:53):
little bit and Brand Kischnick and Brandon and Brand both
one Division one events, and they said that I held
them and I don't know how much I believe that
or not, but definitely made suggestions and I think it
helped him. As a kid growing up, I grew up
watching Jim Murphy teach at my home clubs, the country Club,
and he always looked like he was just having a
(02:16):
great time teaching, talking golf and literally, as he says,
making people stay.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And that's just kind of the direction I went.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I didn't have the greatest of playing careers, but I
did seem to connect to good players on the teaching level,
and that's just kind of where it went. And it's
just been kind of a divine experience ever since. With
who the Good Lord is put in front of me.
Teacher was to experience and to learn from. And that's
(02:44):
that's the big key with teaching is you know, having
good people.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Good good guys.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The no way more than you saying, hey, come out
and watch, and come out and learn and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Ask questions and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I started out working for Jim Murphy and the golf
and if he wouldn't let me teach for six months,
because you got to watch me for six months, that
you put out a good product, he says, you once
your once you're out and you've done something bad, then
the words.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Out on you.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
There.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's kind of in a nutshell how it started.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Now, Yeah, bad teachers don't stay teachers very long, do they.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, the dogs at chase cars and pros and chase cars,
none of them last very long.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
As Lee Trevino would say, Oh my word.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, something struck me when I when I saw
the what you sent me this morning where it says,
uh it says golf teachers to watch twenty six and
twenty you know, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. And
I think that maybe you should make a suggestion next
time they run a chart like that up put it
hit it golf teachers to hire.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Maybe you know, it's just a thought, exactly correct.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Just the thoughts you don't want. I'm staying at the
other end of the range watching you call me up.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Makes exactly Holy cow, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
That's correct. What would you do You even have one
piece of information that anybody gave you that really resonates
and is still just stuck in your brain all the
way today.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, the huge thing with teaching is the correct diagnosis.
I mean, Doug, there's.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So many theories and thoughts and things to do, and
I you know, I was I was blessed.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To be around.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jim Murphy and Jim Harty, who who showed me how
to properly diagnose the swing. They seem to have their
own theories and their ways of thinking on how to
swing a club, but impact is kind of indisputable. So
if I'm helping you, or helping anyone else in the world,
I feel like I've got a really good shot of
really helping them because, you know, let's say they went
to the doctor and they have a bum right elbow.
(04:49):
You know, if I'm sitting there looking at their left knee,
the whole lesson.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I'm off.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You know, I want to be able to help someone
help them quickly, and what's key to that is to
have the right diagnosis, whether it's with your health or
or with your golf health.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So at any rate, it's it's huge to have that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You can argue theory and whatnot all day, but you
can't argue what's wrong with someone's golf swing from an
impact perspective.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's that's just what's wrong. You know, if you have
the flu, you got the.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Flu, you know, so you need to take a tamil
flu there. So that's been the huge thing for me
over the years is really getting a good grasp of
diagnosing and then understanding what elements that I show people
how it applies to that to that problem.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, does it make it worse?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Is it make it better?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right there? And there's a specific way to kind of
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's it's reverse engineering, really, isn't it. You have you
already know the goal, You already know where the finish
line is. You just have to figure out how to
get them there. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, you're you're a detective.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, You're going back from the ball flight from the
ground and then you look at the golf swing and
and you kind of figure out where to apply a
small chain to create a different impact and go from there.
It's an amazing process. I've been blessed to learn from
a World Golf Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's an amazing process.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
What's interesting is how casually you talk about it and
how comfortable you are with talking about golf when a
lot of the people who are listening now are thinking, yeah,
but I don't know how I have to How do
I do that? And the way you get better I'll
patch you guys collectively as instructors on the back. The
way you get better at golf is learning from somebody
(06:32):
who understands the game and can actually teach the game
and not go into your scram or not you were scrambled,
but your little golf buddy on Saturday morning who's an
eighteen handicap and you're asking him about how to hit flopshots.
That's just it's not going to pay off, is.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I feel so sorry in our industry today and
our business, they'll put assistant golf pro listings and tell
them they'll make five or ten extra thousand dollars teaching
in a year, and I'm like, if they're not, if
they don't have any proper training there.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And so you have to have someone who's willing to mentor,
and that's a lost art. Unfortunately in the in the
PGA of America for the most part, is that a
lot of corporate has taken over and pros times are
just taken away from playing the game and teaching the game,
and so these young kids that want to be golf
pros and PGA pros end up.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Quitting because they can't make enough to take care of themselves,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And again that's that's where I was blessed was that
I had people that were very willing to mentor and share.
I mean, i'ms I'm gonna see Chuck Cook to help
myself and to learn from him. He's eighty plus years old,
still learning and still willing to help other people.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I just that's how I want to be.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know, like me, I'm not eighty yet. I'm not
eighty yet, Tommy, but I'm still learning. Man, I'm trying.
I'm trying with all resolutely squeeze another five yards out
of that driver, get those chip shots a little closer.
I might be somebody someday.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're well, No, you're a love learn You give himself
credit if you just stay back. That's all you got
to dog. Just stay back.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, And honestly, that one little thing every time,
you know, here's here. I don't know whether you intended
to plant this seat in my head, but it's planted
in my head. Okay. You You got on me so
hard about staying back, staying back until impact, stay back
to impact. And you showed me on video and you
showed me when I freeze frame after a swing and
whatnot that I was pushing my whole body forward through
(08:29):
the ball. So Now, no matter where the ball, if
it doesn't go exactly where I wanted to go, all
I tell myself is stay back. I'm not linking, I'm
not thinking about anything else. Stay back and it works.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's well, and it does for you because the key
to hitting it really solid is to keep your arc
the same for the most part. When you narrow the arc,
that's when people really start to miss hit. I mean,
it might not hit it, you know awful, you know,
direction wise, but they'll miss it. And that's what most
people do. So that's something I mean to know if
someone's doing that or not. Like solid with compression, that's
(09:04):
the goal what every lasting DOUG is solid with compression.
And that could be straight, that could be a five
yard draw, that could be a five yard fage. The
key is solid with compression for me every single lesson,
And luckily I've been shown that by some really cool
instructors over the years. How to really emphasize that as.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
A reminder before we run out of time here, you
can you can teach anybody out there at black Hawk.
They don't have to be members to take lessons correct.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm blessed they let me teach anyone as.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Long as they follow the code, the dress code out here, Yes, please, absolutely,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, tucked in shirt, collar shirt, no, dim, there you go.
We're good to go on that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But get up, let's go. How do they find you, Tommy?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They can find me on my website at TOMMYO golf
dot com. My phone numbers on there as well. Just
shoot a text go from there. I'm also on Instagram
at at Tommy O Golf, So if you want to
kind of see what I'm about and go from there,
you can.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You can do that absolutely, all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Right, partner, have a good day out there, Thanks Tommy. Yes, sir,
what a great guy. I've known him since he was
in his twenties, literally, I mean, and he's not anymore,
that's for sure. And I've seen him teaching at a
lot of different places around town, and every place he's
been he's done a good job. I'm sure they've They've
(10:24):
kept him as long as as a better offer didn't
come along. And I'm comfortable saying that he's comfortable where
he is right now. And I see him out there
giving lessons in one of the things that I admire,
and I'm sure it's something that most great golf teachers do.
But Jim Murphy was one of the first to kind
(10:45):
of show me or use this technique on me. All
of these guys are capable. They'll dig into your like you,
what do you what else do you do for fun?
What do you do? You like to fish, you like
to hunt? Do you like to go bowling? What? What
else do you do physically in your life other than golf?
And once they find out what you really like and
(11:06):
what you can really relate to other than trying to
swing a golf club, which none of us wake up
born and start swinging clubs. They help transmit the information
they're trying to get into your head by using some
sort of analogy that brings in that. I've heard Tommy
talk to me a lot about different things, like in
(11:29):
fishing and in baseball. There were baseball issues in my
swing for for a long long time. Same with my sons,
and he used analogies that incorporated baseball to tell us
what we needed to hear. Same thing with someone who
likes something else. I've heard him out there talking about
any and every other sport you can imagine and relating
(11:51):
it then to that person's golf swing, so that they
can understand better how he wants them to swing the club.
And in the end, it's kind of a just like
he said, impact is impact. It's got to be right.
And all he's trying to do is tell you and
me and everybody else who's getting a lesson from him.
All the great instructors do this. This is why he's
on that list of teachers to watch. They can make
(12:15):
it personal for you. And that's man, You'll you'll like
golf a lot more. I know I do. He's he's
helped me with a couple of things over the years.
He'll see me struggling and chopping up golf balls out
there and walk down to how's it going, Doug, like,
uh oh uh oh. He saw me. He saw me
hit that last one. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. And
I said, yeah, I didn't stay back on that one.
(12:36):
He yep. Every time, just every time. And it's it.
It's a process. It's not going to happen overnight. But
if you if you get in there and you go
through the process, you too can be a better golfer.
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