August 1, 2024 • 10 mins
Brian McTaggart, Astros beat reporter for MLB.com, joins The Matt Thomas Show following the Houston Astros avoiding the sweep against the Pittsburgh Pirates with Wednesday's 5-4 victory. The Astros were able to end a three-game losing streak; however, the offense is still "underwhelming," McTaggart said. Prior to the MLB trade deadline, the Astros traded Jake Bloss, Will Wagner and Joey Loperfido to the Toronto Blue Jays for left-handed starter Yusei Kikuchi, adding pitching depth to an injured rotation. "They got a guy who they think can eat innings," and "they don't need him to pitch at this elite level." While the price was high to acquire Kikuchi, the Astros are "trying to win now," and who knows what prospects like Jake Bloss are "going to be in five years?" McTaggart also comments on Kyle Tucker moving to the 60-day injured list. Tucker is "not close to a Minor League rehab assignment."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
MLB dot Com on the Astros beat Brian before we
get to the Local nine, we had a caller ask
just a moment ago the definitive thing to do, the
can't miss thing at the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperston.
I have never been there, so I could not answer
the question. I know you have, So what's the camp miss?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, yeah, I think you have to go to the
Great Hall where they have all the all the plaques.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff to see in there.
But when you walk into that hall and I think
there's some natural light shining in there, and you just
walk around and look at the plaques and the names
on those plaques, it's yeah, it's it's it's pretty stunning.
I mean if you go there, of course you're going
(00:43):
to do that. There's a lot of neat stuff to
see in there, but yeah, don't leave without seeing the
Great Hall.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's pretty incredible. And it's not easy to get to Cooperston.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is that it fair to say?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is not? It is not. You got to fly.
I've been like three times.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I flew to Syracuse once, I flew to I think,
I don't know, Scranton once.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
H Yeah, you can't fly right into Cooperstown, so it's
a couple hours a couple hours drive from wherever you go.
But it's really worth it. I mean, it's it's kind
of two different experiences. You go there in the summer,
when you know, all the shops are open on Main Street,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And I've been there in the winter when the place.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Is completely shut down and you go to the Hall
of Fame and you have pretty much the run of
the whole place. But I would definitely recommend going in
the summer when the weather's really nice and all the
shops are open. All right, let's get to now the
local nine here a little bit. It has been a
few days since the dust has settled.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Did your opinion about this trade change from the moment
you heard it to where we are now, or if
you felt like in your mind you had one central
opinion about it and it hasn't only.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Changed, Yeah, I think I've gotten a little more open minded.
I mean when I you know, at first it was
bloss for Kakuchie, and you're like, yeah, I can see that,
you know, And then when you saw the two other names,
you're like, what in the world are they thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But you know, as I thought.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
About it more, I mean, a couple of things came
to bed. Number one, you're trying to win now, and
you know they made a run at Flarity. The price
was way too high. So you know, they got a
guy who they think can eat innings, which they sorely need.
You know, he's going to give them better innings and
Bloss could I'm pretty sure. So at the end of
the day, you look back at all the prospects the
Astros are traded in the last ten years, there might
(02:21):
be two or three that she goes. Man, I like
to have that guy back. But if you get close
trades for prospects and try to go for it, I mean,
I know Flerity would have been better, But would you
have been willing to give up Bryce Matthews and Jacob
Melton for Flarity?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You know, probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So you know, there's no guarantees that they'd neither one
of the three players they give away are going to
be guys that in five years you're kicking yourself about.
I mean, the loss is a guy who doesn't throw
very hard. Low Brafedo strikes out a lot. You know
that you know a lot of young players do, but
that could change. Will Wagner doesn't have much power. Where's
he going to play defensively? So it's not like, you know,
(02:59):
they give away a couple of their big time prospects
to get Kacucci. But if Kacucci comes here and helps
them get to the World Series, it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Joe Spotta has said this at least on this radio
show earlier than the week, and I think they're The
discussion was obviously with press confidence was is they think
the Astros, because of their past, have been able to
take pictures, adjust things and make them better wearing Astros
gear than they were perhaps somewhere else. And there has
been a lot of evidence of that. Charlie Morton probably
(03:28):
will be the greatest example of it all. But let
me ask you this what they're not going to tell
us this, but uh, there's that a lot of pressure
on the organization for the pitching minds, the people that
watch the types of pitches he throws or how he
frames it or his demeanor that they're thinking, put him
under our our shell.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
We're going to fix this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I think there's some pressure to that, But also
this is not like a Randy Johnson trade where this
guy is the number one starter coming in. He's He's
just a guy they're putting in the middle of the
rod tat And this rotation is still anchored by Fromber Hunter, Brown,
Ronel Blanco Verlander when he's healthy, So they don't need
him to pitch at this elite level. They just need
him to be better than he was. And yeah, that's
that's gonna be a challenge for the pitching guys for sure.
(04:16):
But you know, if he can go out there and
give him ten starts with a you know, a three
five three six era go six five six innings every time,
they take that, because I'm not sure they would have
got that from Jake Bloss or anybody else in the
rotation at this point because the rotation was so thin.
But you know, if they get to the playoffs, this
Cacucci going to start a playoff game for you. He
might not, but he's also a guy that you know,
(04:38):
you could have it already if if you need him
in a playoff start, and certainly somebody who can come
in and give you innings. So again, like I said earlier,
you're trying to win now, and you know, who knows
what Jake bloss is going to be in five years.
But if you can get ten quality starts out of
Cacuchi and then have him in the playoffs and make
a deep run, then you're probably gonna look back and say,
(04:58):
no matter what happens, was you know a trade, we're
glad that we made.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Brian mctagger at MLB dot com with us here on
the Matt Thomas Show. Brian, I made this assessment late
in the show yesterday, and I want to see if
you agree with me or disagree with me on this.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think Dana, you know, go look.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The Astros' minor league system has been regarded as a
bottom five or not the worst for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Now I think it's twenty seventh, depending on what you
look at.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, do you think, because my answer is on this
is yes, do you think the Astros will be a
little more proactive in free agency? It leads for the
next couple of years so they don't find themselves perhaps
in a situation where they feel like they still need
something around the trade deadline, but don't want to give
(05:42):
up the prospects because it feels like every time Dana
makes a move right now, he's got to grind his teeth.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, I think they can.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And they don't have to be active at the top
ends of the free agent market either. And I think
we even thought this in the off season. You were like,
do they have enough pitching? I mean, could they signed
you know, one guy, one middle rotation guy, you know,
whether it was Michael or Renzen or somebody like that,
just to bring in that could eat up some innings.
That would have been a good signing for them, even
position player wise. You know, is there somebody out there that,
(06:13):
you know, looking for a rebound that they could sign
a you know, a veteran player they could just you know,
pluck in at the bottom of their roster or even
go to Triple A and sort of wait it out.
It just doesn't seem like they they had those guys,
and I think the depth caught up with.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Them a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's why they you know, they went out and got
a leed miss Diaz, just because you know, their position
player depth was a little thin. So I don't think
necessarily they go out and be active and bringing out,
you know, a couple of star players or guys who
were given qualifying offers. They they just need some warm bodies,
some warm veteran bodies. So if they get caught off
guard here, uh, not really caught off guard. I mean
(06:48):
they they had a lot of pitching injuries, and I
think their pitching depth was pretty good entering this season.
It was seven eight deep and they've gone beyond that.
So you can protect yourself from that, but you know
by signing some of these middle rotates.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But yeah, I think that's that's something that they should
at least consider. You know, when they get to the offseason.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's just just having some more bodies who can come
up and help you right away.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
As briefly as you can describe the Astros offense in
your mind right now, I mean in maybe two or
three words, it just feels kind of is men a
phrase we can go with right now?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Men's good? I mean it's underwhelming.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean it's, uh, you know, you got four at
the top who you feel good about, and then it's like,
you know, you need somebody to get hot.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And you know you don't know where it's gonna come from.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, Jake Myers is, you know, putting up league
average numbers. You know, Diaz has come on, but he's
hitting clean up. After that cleanup spot, it gets kind
of thin. I mean, I think that's why we've seen
Joe's spott a sort of pinch hit guys earlier in
the game, and then we saw Dusty Baker in years past.
I mean, you know, he pinch hit Dubond in the
(07:57):
sixth inning and he hits a home run.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That's something that never would have been done two years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When you had a healthy Tucker and you had McCormick
wasn't underperforming. It's just that he's a little more desperate
right now and you got to grasp in some straws here.
So they did a pretty good job there for a
while without without Tucker, and they were scoring six seven
runs a game to get back into the back in
the division race. But now it just seems like in
the last week, maybe you know, ten days, I guess
(08:26):
since the All Star break there, it's just really been
tough for the offense to get anything going. I mean,
it took Alex Bregman to walk off homer for them
to win that game last week, and took a pinch
hit homer for them to win the game yesterday. They
don't get those two homers they have a five game
losing streak right now, and they got them, so you know,
you have to chalk it up his wins.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But yeah, it's it's it can be tough to watch
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Lastly, it feels like every day and I'll see you
at the ballpark tomorrow. It feels like with a spot
at this point. The first two questions out of everyone's
mind these days is JV and Kyle and Luis Garcia.
To a much lesser extent, it feels like if the
three guys I just mentioned, two of the three are
getting some at least some positive notes with Garcia and
(09:11):
with JV. It's still very much unknown with Kyle Tucker
right now.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, I think Ferlander and Garcia are going to
be going out on rehab assignments here sooner than later.
And I don't think Tucker is anywhere close to that.
Until we see him out there on the field chasing
fly balls and batting practice, running the bases and some drills,
He's not close to a minor league rehab assignment. So
I don't think he's close to doing either one of
(09:38):
those two things. There's a third of the season left
there at exactly the two third point in this season. Here,
there's fifty four games left, and I mean, you know,
if Tucker started at progression right now to get ready
for the to come back, it would take him seven
to ten days with you know, the rehab and all that,
and he's not close to that. So we're getting close
(10:01):
to saying that that Tucker might not be back towards
the end of August September at the earliest.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And then you know, at some point you run out
of that runway.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So you know, I'm not ready to say he's not
going to play again, but he's been out. I guess
on Saturday it will be two months as he went out,
and you know he's I don't think he's anywhere close
at this point to coming back. So this is gonna
be something in the next couple of weeks. You have
to watch real closely because his recovery has really slowed down.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Brian Grave visitors always, I'll see you at Minute Made
tomorrow night for the debut of Kakuchi as an astro.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Are you excited? Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I mean it's not it's not Randy Johnson ninety eight,
but you know, I'm anxious to see you know what
kind of stuff he's gotten.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You know, he can help him win a ball game,
all right, great stuff. Thank you, Brian, will see you tomorrow.
Thanks Brian mctagger MLB dot com with us here on
The Matt Thomas Show.
MLB dot Com on the Astros beat Brian before we
get to the Local nine, we had a caller ask
just a moment ago the definitive thing to do, the
can't miss thing at the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperston.
I have never been there, so I could not answer
the question. I know you have, So what's the camp miss?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, yeah, I think you have to go to the
Great Hall where they have all the all the plaques.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff to see in there.
But when you walk into that hall and I think
there's some natural light shining in there, and you just
walk around and look at the plaques and the names
on those plaques, it's yeah, it's it's it's pretty stunning.
I mean if you go there, of course you're going
(00:43):
to do that. There's a lot of neat stuff to
see in there, but yeah, don't leave without seeing the
Great Hall.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's pretty incredible. And it's not easy to get to Cooperston.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is that it fair to say?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is not? It is not. You got to fly.
I've been like three times.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I flew to Syracuse once, I flew to I think,
I don't know, Scranton once.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
H Yeah, you can't fly right into Cooperstown, so it's
a couple hours a couple hours drive from wherever you go.
But it's really worth it. I mean, it's it's kind
of two different experiences. You go there in the summer,
when you know, all the shops are open on Main Street,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And I've been there in the winter when the place.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Is completely shut down and you go to the Hall
of Fame and you have pretty much the run of
the whole place. But I would definitely recommend going in
the summer when the weather's really nice and all the
shops are open. All right, let's get to now the
local nine here a little bit. It has been a
few days since the dust has settled.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Did your opinion about this trade change from the moment
you heard it to where we are now, or if
you felt like in your mind you had one central
opinion about it and it hasn't only.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Changed, Yeah, I think I've gotten a little more open minded.
I mean when I you know, at first it was
bloss for Kakuchie, and you're like, yeah, I can see that,
you know, And then when you saw the two other names,
you're like, what in the world are they thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But you know, as I thought.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
About it more, I mean, a couple of things came
to bed. Number one, you're trying to win now, and
you know they made a run at Flarity. The price
was way too high. So you know, they got a
guy who they think can eat innings, which they sorely need.
You know, he's going to give them better innings and
Bloss could I'm pretty sure. So at the end of
the day, you look back at all the prospects the
Astros are traded in the last ten years, there might
(02:21):
be two or three that she goes. Man, I like
to have that guy back. But if you get close
trades for prospects and try to go for it, I mean,
I know Flerity would have been better, But would you
have been willing to give up Bryce Matthews and Jacob
Melton for Flarity?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You know, probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So you know, there's no guarantees that they'd neither one
of the three players they give away are going to
be guys that in five years you're kicking yourself about.
I mean, the loss is a guy who doesn't throw
very hard. Low Brafedo strikes out a lot. You know
that you know a lot of young players do, but
that could change. Will Wagner doesn't have much power. Where's
he going to play defensively? So it's not like, you know,
(02:59):
they give away a couple of their big time prospects
to get Kacucci. But if Kacucci comes here and helps
them get to the World Series, it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Joe Spotta has said this at least on this radio
show earlier than the week, and I think they're The
discussion was obviously with press confidence was is they think
the Astros, because of their past, have been able to
take pictures, adjust things and make them better wearing Astros
gear than they were perhaps somewhere else. And there has
been a lot of evidence of that. Charlie Morton probably
(03:28):
will be the greatest example of it all. But let
me ask you this what they're not going to tell
us this, but uh, there's that a lot of pressure
on the organization for the pitching minds, the people that
watch the types of pitches he throws or how he
frames it or his demeanor that they're thinking, put him
under our our shell.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
We're going to fix this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I think there's some pressure to that, But also
this is not like a Randy Johnson trade where this
guy is the number one starter coming in. He's He's
just a guy they're putting in the middle of the
rod tat And this rotation is still anchored by Fromber Hunter, Brown,
Ronel Blanco Verlander when he's healthy, So they don't need
him to pitch at this elite level. They just need
him to be better than he was. And yeah, that's
that's gonna be a challenge for the pitching guys for sure.
(04:16):
But you know, if he can go out there and
give him ten starts with a you know, a three
five three six era go six five six innings every time,
they take that, because I'm not sure they would have
got that from Jake Bloss or anybody else in the
rotation at this point because the rotation was so thin.
But you know, if they get to the playoffs, this
Cacucci going to start a playoff game for you. He
might not, but he's also a guy that you know,
(04:38):
you could have it already if if you need him
in a playoff start, and certainly somebody who can come
in and give you innings. So again, like I said earlier,
you're trying to win now, and you know, who knows
what Jake bloss is going to be in five years.
But if you can get ten quality starts out of
Cacuchi and then have him in the playoffs and make
a deep run, then you're probably gonna look back and say,
(04:58):
no matter what happens, was you know a trade, we're
glad that we made.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Brian mctagger at MLB dot com with us here on
the Matt Thomas Show. Brian, I made this assessment late
in the show yesterday, and I want to see if
you agree with me or disagree with me on this.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think Dana, you know, go look.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The Astros' minor league system has been regarded as a
bottom five or not the worst for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Now I think it's twenty seventh, depending on what you
look at.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, do you think, because my answer is on this
is yes, do you think the Astros will be a
little more proactive in free agency? It leads for the
next couple of years so they don't find themselves perhaps
in a situation where they feel like they still need
something around the trade deadline, but don't want to give
(05:42):
up the prospects because it feels like every time Dana
makes a move right now, he's got to grind his teeth.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, I think they can.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And they don't have to be active at the top
ends of the free agent market either. And I think
we even thought this in the off season. You were like,
do they have enough pitching? I mean, could they signed
you know, one guy, one middle rotation guy, you know,
whether it was Michael or Renzen or somebody like that,
just to bring in that could eat up some innings.
That would have been a good signing for them, even
position player wise. You know, is there somebody out there that,
(06:13):
you know, looking for a rebound that they could sign
a you know, a veteran player they could just you know,
pluck in at the bottom of their roster or even
go to Triple A and sort of wait it out.
It just doesn't seem like they they had those guys,
and I think the depth caught up with.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Them a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's why they you know, they went out and got
a leed miss Diaz, just because you know, their position
player depth was a little thin. So I don't think
necessarily they go out and be active and bringing out,
you know, a couple of star players or guys who
were given qualifying offers. They they just need some warm bodies,
some warm veteran bodies. So if they get caught off
guard here, uh, not really caught off guard. I mean
(06:48):
they they had a lot of pitching injuries, and I
think their pitching depth was pretty good entering this season.
It was seven eight deep and they've gone beyond that.
So you can protect yourself from that, but you know
by signing some of these middle rotates.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But yeah, I think that's that's something that they should
at least consider. You know, when they get to the offseason.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's just just having some more bodies who can come
up and help you right away.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
As briefly as you can describe the Astros offense in
your mind right now, I mean in maybe two or
three words, it just feels kind of is men a
phrase we can go with right now?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Men's good? I mean it's underwhelming.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean it's, uh, you know, you got four at
the top who you feel good about, and then it's like,
you know, you need somebody to get hot.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And you know you don't know where it's gonna come from.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, Jake Myers is, you know, putting up league
average numbers. You know, Diaz has come on, but he's
hitting clean up. After that cleanup spot, it gets kind
of thin. I mean, I think that's why we've seen
Joe's spott a sort of pinch hit guys earlier in
the game, and then we saw Dusty Baker in years past.
I mean, you know, he pinch hit Dubond in the
(07:57):
sixth inning and he hits a home run.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That's something that never would have been done two years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When you had a healthy Tucker and you had McCormick
wasn't underperforming. It's just that he's a little more desperate
right now and you got to grasp in some straws here.
So they did a pretty good job there for a
while without without Tucker, and they were scoring six seven
runs a game to get back into the back in
the division race. But now it just seems like in
the last week, maybe you know, ten days, I guess
(08:26):
since the All Star break there, it's just really been
tough for the offense to get anything going. I mean,
it took Alex Bregman to walk off homer for them
to win that game last week, and took a pinch
hit homer for them to win the game yesterday. They
don't get those two homers they have a five game
losing streak right now, and they got them, so you know,
you have to chalk it up his wins.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But yeah, it's it's it can be tough to watch
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Lastly, it feels like every day and I'll see you
at the ballpark tomorrow. It feels like with a spot
at this point. The first two questions out of everyone's
mind these days is JV and Kyle and Luis Garcia.
To a much lesser extent, it feels like if the
three guys I just mentioned, two of the three are
getting some at least some positive notes with Garcia and
(09:11):
with JV. It's still very much unknown with Kyle Tucker
right now.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, I think Ferlander and Garcia are going to
be going out on rehab assignments here sooner than later.
And I don't think Tucker is anywhere close to that.
Until we see him out there on the field chasing
fly balls and batting practice, running the bases and some drills,
He's not close to a minor league rehab assignment. So
I don't think he's close to doing either one of
(09:38):
those two things. There's a third of the season left
there at exactly the two third point in this season. Here,
there's fifty four games left, and I mean, you know,
if Tucker started at progression right now to get ready
for the to come back, it would take him seven
to ten days with you know, the rehab and all that,
and he's not close to that. So we're getting close
(10:01):
to saying that that Tucker might not be back towards
the end of August September at the earliest.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And then you know, at some point you run out
of that runway.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So you know, I'm not ready to say he's not
going to play again, but he's been out. I guess
on Saturday it will be two months as he went out,
and you know he's I don't think he's anywhere close
at this point to coming back. So this is gonna
be something in the next couple of weeks. You have
to watch real closely because his recovery has really slowed down.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Brian Grave visitors always, I'll see you at Minute Made
tomorrow night for the debut of Kakuchi as an astro.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Are you excited? Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I mean it's not it's not Randy Johnson ninety eight,
but you know, I'm anxious to see you know what
kind of stuff he's gotten.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You know, he can help him win a ball game,
all right, great stuff. Thank you, Brian, will see you tomorrow.
Thanks Brian mctagger MLB dot com with us here on
The Matt Thomas Show.
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Monster: BTK
'Monster: BTK', the newest installment in the 'Monster' franchise, reveals the true story of the Wichita, Kansas serial killer who murdered at least 10 people between 1974 and 1991. Known by the moniker, BTK – Bind Torture Kill, his notoriety was bolstered by the taunting letters he sent to police, and the chilling phone calls he made to media outlets. BTK's identity was finally revealed in 2005 to the shock of his family, his community, and the world. He was the serial killer next door. From Tenderfoot TV & iHeartPodcasts, this is 'Monster: BTK'.
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