Astros Win Opener Against Rockies, Yordan's Setback, Pena's IL Tenure, Dana Brown's Weekly Segment

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury. Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sewn Salisbury to usc Troup's longtime friend Shawn Salisbury, Dan Matthews,
this is the Sewn Salsbury show.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
The Astros last night able to hold off the Rockies
six y four or sixty five win. Excuse me there,
because you get that run in the ninth inning as
the Stros able to win their second straight. Good news
up in Seattle too, because the Mariners loose to the Royals,
so that means the Astros now seven games up in
the division. But Sean, there was bad news before the

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game yesterday. Jordan Alvarez shut down again, soreness in his hand.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
He is seeing a hand specialist. Is that a question?
Are you just tuning me in? You asked a statement? Yeah,
very well, there you go. I I this does not
surprise me. It's nobody in the Astros organization fault that

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his hands still sore. But my dude, my questions are
did we get full imaging every step of the way.
Was he one hundred percent before he put it bat
back in his hand? Was it one hundred percent healed?
Is it eighty five percent healed? Ninety percent healed? Did
the imaging say that this was one hundred percent healed.
And then we got him in with the bat in
his hand, or did we Was it okay? He says,

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he's feeling good, imaging's close, let's go put a bat
in his hand and it was reaggravated or is it
far more serious? But far more serious? I mean, it's
amazing how long it takes for imaging. I mean, it
happened with Kyle Tucker last year, the swelling to go
down and really find what's going on. But it's just
if he was going feeling great and then all of

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a sudden takes live batting practice, then it affects it.
Then it wasn't. Then he wasn't. Then it wasn't ramped
up properly in the first place. I wouldn't think this
is just from my from from from me. I'm not
a doctor, but just judging from this injury and hearing
what I hear about imaging and soreness, and it went
from you know, a soft tissue to it became structural

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or then it became what if the fracture and going
through all those things, and then it was he's getting
healthy and he's not feeling much pain, but the imaging
along the way, did the imaging to me? This is
here's the problem. If the imaging along the way said
he's one hundred percent healthy and then there's no there,
there's no more injury to that to that area, then

(02:40):
it's just simply a threshold of pain thing that he
just can't handle. It can't be anything else, can it.
I wouldn't think so it can't mean I'm like I said,
and hopefully Dano will be able to clear this stuff.
Because I don't know this answer. I'm just speculating that
when I tell you when I recovered from my knee
injury first time and second time, I didn't run out

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on the field at eighty eight percent, the imaging said
he's one hundred percent healthy, Then it was on me,
is he in shape? Did he work it art? And
how how long can he last when he puts to
the ground. Is there confidence? Did he trust it when
he dropped back and put his right leg in the
ground after he shredded it a second time? But the
imaging and the rehab numbers along with my feeling. When

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you're rehabbing every single day on the orthotron and the
sidebecks machine, and then when you go to the final. Okay,
here's the come to Jesus day, getting ready for you know, boom,
getting ready for sprscy. You're ready to go spring Boom, healthy,
ready to go for fall camp. And when the doctors
cleared me and it was one hundred percent healthy, that
comes down to how do I feel? And was a

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go and went and played. In this case, I just
I'm just trying to I'm trying to connect the dots
like the game Clue. I'm trying to connect the dots.
Like I said, there's no finger pointing here because I
wouldn't know where to point it. We get bummed because
you know the communication, what's going on. Was it a fracture,
was it soft tissue? Was it hurt? Was it be

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how severe was it? Why weren't they doing in imaging
all along? Or were they? And they said they're doing
When I say they, the astros were talking about doing
more imaging and we all agree with that. When did
the imaging take place? It was yourn one percent secure.
And what he did when the imaging told him to
go take live batter because live batting practice tells me
that I can go play eleven on eleven even though
it's not a game. Live batting practice, to me is

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an appetizer. Live batting practice says, this is as close
as we're going to get to turn it. You loose
into a game, which means you're healthy. Now it shifts
to the player. Okay, here's here's they showed me the images.
Here's what it looks like. You're re You're good to go.
Everything's secure. How you feel. I feel great, man, And

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while you made the first time you go out there,
because I'm just I've said this a million times, and
not just injuries and play. I can do everything I
want training in the off season and being the greatest
shape of my life. The second I put pads on
and go through two practices in a row, you're sore.
Whether it's your hammy's or your growing No matter how
much stretching all you do, it's just different, different movements,

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and you can't simulate those a lot of times because
you're not playing a live eleven on eleven football getting
hit making guys miss quick twitch. You're doing exercises and
you're doing the drills with the cone. But it's still different,
and it's still different on my arm because when I
drop back to pass and throw it against error or
you know, I don't play against air. But you get
my point, like eleven on eleven. But it's like a

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picture in a bullpen session getting ready. Even when they're
warming up in the bullpen, we see them, not when
they're unhealthy. When they're healthy, you're ready to go in
a game. By the time four pitches before they're going,
they're pumping it. They've maxed out. They're warm up in
the bullpen. Now next pitch you're on the mount. It's
the same thing here. I'm going through all this training, Okay,
I've gone. Now I go out on a practice field,
and while we go through our first practice session in

(05:55):
full gear, I may go it in. My arm might
be a little tired, or my knee. Man, it's a
little tire. Man. That's a different work. You know, ice
it up, you get in the ice tub, and we
got an afternoon practice to go. So in this case,
live BP tells me this is the last step to
one of two things. However long. This live VP lasts
a week, two days, three days. This live BP tells

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me that if we've been cleared through that to go there,
we're healthy and now as it is is you get
in your rhythm and how it feels like one day
after the next, to make sure there's no you know
that you're doing okay. Then now we either sending you
to sugar Land or we'll see in Mainsley Ballpark after
a week of that or four days of it. But

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this was not even a day. It was one day
of it, one day of it. So it either tells
me that it wasn't healed, that he was feeling well
but not as well as he thought he was. That
it was a little bit of fool's gold because you
started to getting healthy and you haven't ramped it up
and so there's not a lot of stress on it.
Or the third one is is that it wasn't fully
hill he reinjured it. That's that's when I hear setback.

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I'm just trying to do and I'm just trying to
do all the gathering of what could have happened for
me and out this time from my vantage point. When
you're healthy and the images say it's a go, that
tells me the whole thing. Because it's a fracture, you
can see the images. The pictures will tell it it's sealed
or not. Now it's just is it strong enough around it?

(07:24):
Is it like when my knee, You know, your knee
may never be the same again the first time I
shredded it because well, they're taking something away to make
it better. Now it can be stronger like we see
with you, you know, with with the UCLs when you
when you when you talk about Tommy John to come
back and throwing it harder because the muscle around it.
The tenon gets tighter because they've surgically repaired it. But
the knees different I need when they take ligaments out

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or I played my entire after my SECONDE I played
my entire NFL career without an ACL. That was just
you know, scar tissue and you heal it up and
you go play. So I have an ACL my entire
NFL career and the last year of my college career
and play with one. So so, but I know that
I didn't go out on the field until the images
said you're good to go. And my training regime in

(08:08):
front of the trainers and doctors cuts on the field
in the training room doing the machine. Where was my
testing on the cybex and orthotron machine compared to where
it was before my knee was hurt. You start to
measure it out. Now, dude, we're talking in the eighties now,
so you knew the metric. Sam. Things have changed medical health.
You can blink and they can tell you how many

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miles per second you blinked, And if you pull the
hamstring in your lower they can to the point they
know exactly well, it's not just hey, go put some
ice on it anymore. All this so I'm just trying
to get to the bottom band of was he one
hundred percent fully healthy when he took live back in practice?
If he was, where's his threshold? Then it simply goes

(08:52):
back to Okay, he had a setback. But a setback
isn't a oh it's sore. Remember this now. The setback
isn't it's tired. The setback is and you're gonna go
see a specialist that ain't tired, buddy, that's something's wrong
and it may be deeper. So I don't know, just
from my advantage point, those are some things I need

(09:13):
to know as a guy who's not a doctor, and
in a guy in search of the whys all the time,
I just or was it fully healed? He goes out
there he feels great. The images say go take live
batting practice. He goes, takes live bating practice and in
the middle of it it's, well, it looked healed. It's
just not strong enough and it's brittle and it's and
it was reinjured. And if that's the case, you're not

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seeing Jordan Alvarez for if you're lucky the rest of
the year. If you're lucky, well it does he re
injured or fracture, and it's taken two months to get
to this point. You ain't seeing him again this year,
or if you do, I'll see you in mid September.
Now I'm not a doctor, but I'm just I'm just
doing the timestamp. No man, and what it is. So
if he did it and he was feeling great and

(09:56):
he but now if you put him in a batting
cage at eighty percent to live pitching, I'm not saying
they did. If you did, there will be then you
have to ask more questions because live BPS guy's pumping
at ninety five and and you know, go back take
another bat to all of a sudden, man, So it's
either was healed and it's reinjured, not rehurt, re injured.

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There's a difference. It's not sore, we're seeing a specialist,
not because soreness. You're seeing a specialist because something's wrong.
And if he was one hundred percent healthy and he
was good to go and it's just sore, well, then soreness,
they'd say, put some ice on it and see how
it feels tomorrow. I immediately are going to see a specialist.
So something's not right. It's obvious. Hopefully it's it's not

(10:40):
overly serious. But I'm Aaron on the side of I
would be prepared that you're not seeing him in July.
Hopefully you'll see him, you know, this season. I don't know.
I don't want to be a naysayer, but man, it's
taken long enough when we've seen the movie in different
ways in sports, not just here, in sports, not just
the astros. So I I and if he was healthy
and then it's just oh man, if he just sa

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I just don't feel well, I need to see a specialist,
then it simply if they said the imaging said you're healthy,
and there's something wrong either doctors can't see and I
know they can, or that you'redon Alvarez just doesn't it's
a brittle, and his threshold of pain isn't there. I
don't know, just trying to deduct it.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
All.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
These are all questions I have because I don't have answers,
but I'm gonna try to get them. And I know
you are too, And it's just it's frustrating to me
because I know I'm not going against the live pass
rush unless my knee. The imaging told me I was ready,
and the trainer said, you are one hundred percent good
to go. Your testing's perfect, let's go play, and then

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eleven on eleven I get hit and go down. My
knee handles it. So you tell me, man, you tell me.
There'll be a lot of questions that people are going
to have and already do well.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I mean, and I think the only skepticism that I
have is something that you covered is you don't send
somebody to a specialist for general soreness. Something's wrong, Like
we're we're being we're being under on this.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I feel, especially after all this time, Dude, when the
word specialist comes in, they're not sending to the team doctor.
They're not sending when when they say specialists and setback
on a two month injury that we'll see we see
was close, it'd be equivalent. It'd be the equivalent right now.

(12:21):
It took longer for this one. But if we got
a message the Christian Jabier who's pumping in it ninety five,
which is beyond his normal v low had a setback
and is going to see a specialist with the same
injury that's set him back a year ago or however
many months ago it was, that's what that would be
in a different part of the body of the rest

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of it. But now if you said, ah, he's just so,
we're gonna kick a couple days off and he's staying here,
he's icing it, and he'll be his next bullpen session'll
be Friday. Different. That's that's different. Diagnosis specialist after one day,
not after a week, not after after one after one
live VP. So, at least to my knowledge, that was

(13:02):
the first one yesterday or whatever it was. It was,
let's state Wednesday or Tuesday, it was, I think it
was Friday, yeah, or over the weekend, yeah, it was
whenever they said it was either we found out yesterday,
whether it was Friday or Saturday, whatever, the first day,
I don't care when it was it was. They didn't
do it three days in a row. Let's put it
that way. At least I don't think they did. It
happened and in three days in a row, Then you say, okay,

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fatigue maybe, But when the word specialist comes in and
it's a setback, it's a problem. So if I told you,
and I was down there in West Palm and I said, man, Javier, dude,
he's been pumping in ninety five for two weeks. He
looks great, getting closer, and then you got message the
next day that jbvi Aer had a setback. His velo

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dropped the last time to ninety one and he had
a setback and we got to go see a specialist.
Would be the first thing come to your mind. You're
not a doctor. If I told you that, what would
you say, I'm expecting the worst and you think that, okay,
we'll see Howvi aer in twenty twenty six. Correct, Yeah, okay,
so I with our expectations, if we expect you're playing

(14:05):
this season without jord On, you'll probably get a little
bit less ulcer because it'll be a bummer're not playing
with him. But it will take your anxiety way of
knowing that, Okay, I'm not saying he's going to be,
but if you prepare for that, expectations can be something.
Because we all want him back and meet him. The
Astros are playing frigging phenomenal baseball in the first half.
It'd be great to have me in. But I'm just
telling you, if your expectations are man, we're going to

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see him right around the All Star break. After this,
I would think that you're you're a little over exuberant
and a little over zealous on what you're thinking is well.
And that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I You know, we should be talking about a team
that's seventeen games over five hundred and seven games up
in the AOST, But I mean, the fans want to
know when when are you going to see number forty
four again? And I just feel like those answers are
not coming anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Would you take the over under on August first?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm going to take the over because and we'll talk
about this a little bit, you know, as the show
goes along today. But I just I no longer ever
believe that an injury with this team is minor. I'll
believe it the first time it becomes minor, because every
single one of these are always sold as, oh, we
don't expect them to be out long, and then three
months later we see them.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right, Listen, you have to understand. Now here's my plat
of that for the Astros having it and not because
I played. I don't mean it like that, but it's
like if I talked to Warren Buffett he's been standing
at the stock exchange and I haven't. I'm probably gonna say, Okay,
what's it like in there? Right? Unlike the Eddie Murphy movie,
we go in there and Mortimer sell Mortimer right, it's
the same, so he probably knows. So just a little

(15:36):
I guess experience, a little experience on this with teams
and the way they do it. As I've told you before,
I had tendon itis, and it's for a different reason.
But I'm just telling you I had ten and itis
as a pro and I didn't have ten and itis.
Do you get my point? We used to do that
until I've told you, Sean, you have ten and itis. No, No,

(15:56):
I don't. Well, we're fixing out the roster spot. You're
a rookie. You do have tendon itis? Oh yeah, I
got ten and itis to start the season. Oh I
get it. This is different. My point is they protect
the player. They do. They're always going to and you
would too. You would too. Now I don't know if
the word right whatever, right to know, but it's nice

(16:18):
to get some insight it, and they're getting better at it.
I get it because I've seen how they PRETENCD where
they listen. You could have a torn hamstring in football
and say say, hey, we're looking at it. We're observing
his hamstring. It's black and blue and the court is
ripped to shreds. You know he's not gonna play. Well,
we'll observe it later in three days later we find
out it's torn hamstring's out for the season. Okay, so
I get it. But it's the number of times that

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it's happened. It's the frustration and the mistimed always right,
I'll he'll be back in ten days. This is Remember
he was on the Tenda Aisle. It's two months now, right,
and now he's going to see a specialist Kyle Tucker. Well,
it's it's a bruise. It's a bruise. Bruce sixty games in,
it's a fracture. Oh my gosh, Now he's out seventy plus.
So I get why they do it, because you have
to for law reasons. You protect player, But there comes

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to a point where I what you're saying is you
don't feel you don't want to feel like you've been
somebody's peed in your face and told you it's rained right,
That's what you're saying. The frustration of that. I get it.
It's a hard slippery slope for the organization. But I'm
with you when it comes to injuries. I'm just transparent,
not like, who are fooling?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
You?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Know what I'm saying? How severe is it? And maybe
they got to a point where they just or maybe
the people that are observing it aren't observing it. Probably
I don't know. I don't know. I know this though.
If you're expect any back, this isn't just son us
When you see a specialist after one day live VP
and it's a setback. This isn't just man he's a
little tired because he took forty eight swings in two minutes.

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That's not the case here and you and I both
know that well.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
And questions need to be asked and answered, and hopefully
we'll get that opportunity. As Dana Brown is set to
join us in about three hours from now for his
weekly visit, and I'm sure that probably that will be
covered with him.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
We will get to the Astros on the field because
they were able to win last night, as I mentioned,
six to five, So we'll do that. But speaking of
Dana Brown, he did talk about the Jordon injury yesterday.
Some things from that visit with the media. We will
have those for you right here. It is the Sean
Salisbury Show just getting going here on a Western Wednesday

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Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The Jean Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Certainly, Sean, we're going to you know, handle this topic
with him, but also any other injury concerns that are
out there, maybe even hopefully good injury news on some
of the pictures that you had mentioned in the first segment.
But Dana did deliver the bad news yesterday, and we'll
hear from him right now because he was made available

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to the media out there in Colorado. And of course,
first and foremost the main dish of all of this
is talking about Jordon being shut down again.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yesterday did some baseball activities and then today showed up
and his hand was sore again. And so now at
this point, we're gonna pause with this uh setback, and
you know, get him to see another specialist and take.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It from there.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
There you go, so setback, going to see another specialist,
Dana continuing in saying that it's going to be a
wait and see now in yourd on We're not going to.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Try to push it or force them to force them
through anything. We're just gonna, you know, allow him to
heal and get a little bit more answers as to
you know, what steps we take next. I was very
optimistic that he would return, you know, potentially in La
but more realistic about the Cleveland series. But with this

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current setback, we probably won't know anything for another forty
eight hours as to where he is.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
So Sean, I'm gonna pose it to you both as
the statement first. Then a question is the statement is
once you find out the forty eight hours that Dana
Brown had mentioned to the media, that is probably what
it's going to take for them to determine what's going
on after he sees the specialist and he's unsure about surgery.
But do you not think that you owe it to

(20:12):
your fan base at this point to stop putting this
on Dana Brown and running him out there and tomorrow, Friday,
whenever it is.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You need to make the team doctor available. I think
you're muted. I think you're right. I am muted, just
trying to listen, make sure there's no noise for you.
Is I don't in my opinion, I don't think you

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should ever run the general manager out there. I have
to answer the deep, especially maybe the first time when
they say, hey, man, like when we do a little
injury report, Oh yeah, he's out, we'll be back in
three days. But when it comes to stuff that Dana
Brown doesn't read images. Neither do I, and neither do you,
and neither does Joe Spot. They read them because they're

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told what to look for. And when a doctor says,
here's what it says, and you guys, they huddle about it.
And then he's the mouthpiece. And I get it because
he's the general manager. But where I liked Dana Brown,
where I like Dana Brown is and my general manager
is to tell me, you know, the personnel and the

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overall part of the team, to give us just the
overall structure of what's going on. But when it's a
severe injury to a player like this, I'm with you,
even if it's not Dana Brown. Maybe whoever, whoever is
can answer the tough medical questions. I'm saying he can't,
but you put him in a bad position. He's not.
He doesn't do the x rays, he doesn't do the images,
he doesn't do the MRIs. He's told that that. That's

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one thing. So is he supposed to fight with him
and say, let's just tell the people he's got a
he's got a broken hand. He's not being he's not
gonna be back till September. We got to look at
it both sides. I'm not saying it's okay to you're like,
oh my gosh, this is happening again. The trend. I
get it, but I do I don't think, not just here.
I don't know why the general manager for the Raiders
or for the Texans, aside from addressing the periphery of

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just the cosmetic stuff of a of who's in and
who's out, I guess that's what I'm saying. He's in,
he's out. We don't know how long. Sitting next to
me is our team doctor, our team whatever, specially whoever
handles this, and he'll he'll dive deeper into what's going on.
It's like I never wanted Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell should
have never been the judge Jerry at executioner when he

(22:37):
gave out penalties and suspensions and all that. When he
got out of that business. Hasn't your hasn't the Roger
Goodell stuff about how he sucks as the commissioner softened?
Nobody talks about that anymore. Why happened early? He's had
so much power, he took it on and finally when
he delegated that to somebody else, Roger Goodell got out
of the the uh, you know, the the punishment business

(22:59):
and gave it to you know, whether it's Troy Vincent
handle it or whether it was Gene Washington, whoever was
handling that part of it. Like Joe Torrey does for
baseball when it comes to the suspensions and stuff when
he's you know, has done it well. The same thing
here that I want my specialist to handle that. See
you tell me the broad part of it, but I

(23:21):
don't need Dana Brown's expertise is and what he's built,
and he's built something pretty damn special. But he's going
to get the wrath from people because of him saying, well,
we're going to send him back, we're shutting him down.
You think he made that decision on his own. No,
a doctor looked at him and said in order, so
we can't do it. He's not the one who pulled
that trigger. He's the one who has to be the mouthpiece.
That's a tough responsibility put on a guy who's got

(23:41):
to scout people signed contracts. I wonder who you're going
to keep. We're going to talk to him about from
or we're going to talk to him about you know,
Jeremy painea down there, all this stuff. General managed the job.
Is not supposed to speak on the fourteen injuries they
have and break down the prognosis. I mean he does
and he doesn't. I mean my point is this ain't
Brown's fault, but we're gonna pepper him like he's the

(24:03):
one speaking on it, so we have to. So we
put it on him. But Dana didn't do the Dana
didn't do the imaging. Dana a group of people, doctors, trainers, manager, ownership, whoever,
huddled here's what we're doing. I'm with you though, and
stuff like this as it goes on. I think you
should like they did take Goodell, get rid of that. Now,
let somebody else handle that, and you go be the

(24:25):
commissioner and raise money and shake hands and kiss babies.
Look at what we got going with the draft, all
the things that helped the NFL, the state of the NFL.
Dana's got a lot of other stuff to do. He's
got to worry more about now about how they're going
to get people into replace Jordan, or what they're doing
on the team to hit as opposed to, you know,
worrying about rehabbing Jordon. That's not his job. But they

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take it on in all these organizations because well they're
the the weekly talk and we're gonna ask them. But
it is so we got to be cautious, Like we're
putting it on Dana Brown because he's speaking on it,
but he's not just making the words up. Okay, they've
had a meeting about it. We know this. This happens
in every organization. That's the part with Dana that he

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doesn't deserve that peppering and that wrath because he's got
other stuff he's got to deal with. It just happens
to fall into his lap. He doesn't want to talk
about this injuries. He has to. It's his team and
he's building it. But I'm with you. Give me the
doctor and how this happened. Let the doctor who's expert
in this tell us that's my opinion. Well no, And

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that's the thing is.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, it's again to the point of the skepticism
that we have, where you know, I just I don't
believe you anymore when you tell me it's not that serious.
I mean, it's kind of like a relationship like any
of us have had, where you know somebody you feel
like in the relationship has wronged you and they've told
you so many times, I'm gonna change, I'm gonna be better,

(25:50):
I'm gonna do all of these things, and maybe for
a short while they do that, but then soon enough
you're just like, no, you're who you are, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
How many times? Yeah? How many times, though, Dan, can
you be fooled or me be fooled? I'm not saying
they're trying to full but tell you how many times
can we buy into, oh, it's not hurt, and then
it's hurt four hundred So it's on us too. It's
on us too. And as I as we said, and
I'm just said it with Kyle Tucker and said it here. Dude,
bruises don't last and strange don't last two months, right,

(26:18):
They just don't. They just don't. As I told you
last year, i'll say it again. And the Kyle Tucker thing,
I told him this, And if you go back and
play the old tape when Lam and I were doing
it together, I'm just telling you it's not that I
was right, but when it got into ten twelve, fourteen days,
fifteen days, which I can what this baseball play is
a right fielder I have never in my life played
on a team, or a running back who got his

(26:40):
a helmet to his shin missed three weeks on a
bruise ever, And that's a running back who gets hit
for a living. Never I've never I've been a deep
thigh bruise. Yeah, that hurts, and if it's a game,
you can where you gotta buy week. But most time
they're taping up doing what they can, and it may
keep you out a week, it's not keeping you out
a month unless it's something's more severe. So when Kyle

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Tucker rolled into two months, bone bruises don't last six
months or four months. They just don't contusions. Stop it, Okay,
And it's the same thing. I'm just telling you. If
when first started, we should have known and it starts
to creep into a month, this is not a bruise,
This is not a strain, especially if he wasn't doing

(27:23):
anything with it. Those heal quicker. These guys are phenomenal healers.
Then two months you should have known that this wasn't
gonna be an easy easy to navigate. And here we
are and you ain't seeing him anytime in July. You're
just not Even if he is healthy, you're gonna have
to go through all the rehab again and restart. Yeah,
you're not seeing him. But I think it's not fair

(27:44):
to Dana Brown that we put the injury on him
because he's just doing he's the mouthpiece for the doctors
and for the organization protecting the player. But we're gonna
pepper him with it because he knows that coming on
this show, Dana Brown has done a great job. He
shouldn't have to answer all the questions about injuries. He's
not a doctor.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, in general, life is not fair, and sometimes part
of life is being an executive, which it's.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
You got to take it on. Yeah he does, and
that's what he does.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
But I mean, it's again to repeat myself from what
I said earlier. This needs to stop being the case,
Like you need to stop having him draw the barbs
and draw all of the scrutiny from the fan base
and calling him a liar and all of these other things.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
That's not fair to him.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Like they agreed, it finally needs to get to a
point where I don't see this happen Sean, not just
in baseball, any other organization where this continuously happens, where
it's a oh they're ramping up, they're closed, they could
be with us at any minute, they're shut down. How
do we get from point A to Z that quickly

(28:48):
every single time?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Right? Yeah, Dan, this isn't it. Here here's how if
I'm reading between the lines. I'm not a doctor. We'll
go real quick. I know we got to go to break.
But here here's how if I'm reading between had they
have said, and you are exactly right, had they have said,
we're going to sit him back for a day, arrest him.
We've got clive batting press. We'll pick it back up
in two days. This wasn't that we are shutting it down,

(29:13):
shutting him down. That ain't I'm just telling you that
ain't a strain, that ain't a bruise, buddy, that's just
my opinion, shutting him down. Those are some that's some
serious setback or shutting him down. That's that right there,
and then there you should know that this is not
what We're not going to be talking about the same
conversation for a week. We're not gonna have to ask
Dane Brown a question about in my opinion, about Jordan,

(29:34):
we will, but to get the exact answer that you want.
He's always come back. You know that question. You're not
even gonna sniff July. In my opinion, that's just my opinion.
So setbacks are tough. You're right, it's unfair to dany
to Brown to have to answer all that. But as
the spokesperson and the general manager, you take that on.
But mostly when remember when the Mets real quick, Dan,
When when the Mets did their thing and all those

(29:55):
injuries with their pictures when de Gram was there and uh,
what's the big right hander that was with him? Long
hair looked like Harlequin romance model. Cinder guard, No cinder
guard that group, Remember an injury after injury after injury. Eventually,
you know what they did. They started to go They
looked at the mechanics, pitching coach, and then they start

(30:16):
looking at team doctors. I'm not just saying the Ashlers
should do this, but that's normally when it's the same
fourteen years in a row. But Dana shouldn't have to
stomach this, but he does, and he gets paid to
take on a role that sometimes you don't want to
have to deal with. But it is and this is
a This is odd at the least, but I'm not unexpected.

(30:36):
It's just not well.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I mean, it's just it's again, it's groundhaul day all
over again. And I mean it's just to the point
where none of us can trust a minor injury because
it's never that minor. The small fracture is now the
new discomfort. That's what it is with this team. And
I mean thought that they had changed some things, but
maybe we're wrong on that. They actually were on the
field last night and they actually are doing some good things.

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And I do think we do owe it to our
audience to talk about those things. Someone three two one
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six o'clock hour is brought to you by one eight
hundred car Cash. Sean, there actually was baseball on the

(31:21):
field last night, and it was for the most part
good baseball. As the Astros did get out to a
six to one lead. You do start to leak a
little bit of oil as the game goes along, but
the name of the game, win the game, and the
shows able to finish it off last night and win
it by one run.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, SUSI did his thing. And then I'll bray you
what struck out the side if I'm not mistaken checking
it out. And then Hayter see he's perfect this year,
save situations and does it again. A couple monster home runs.
I mean, I know the ball carries there. A couple
monster homers. Here's another one of those instances, Dan, when
we talk and your guy, I call him your guy

(32:02):
every day. Now, Christian Walker drives in a run the
Caroteni Grand Slam home run. Here's the great thing, kind
of like when you win games early, when you get
to September, you get a little chance for some rest. Right,
so you people are well rested and you're good for
the stretch run. It's the same thing in a game.
You start out early and you post, you jump out

(32:24):
to you know, post six runs and jump out to
what six to one lead? Now gives you a little
leeway that a two run homer doesn't kill you or
a four hundred and fifty foot home run, which were
there were two of them that game from Colorado. Same
dude doesn't destroy you, right, doesn't destroy you? Dan So
and you know when I say leeway gives you a
little alatitude to make a bad pitch or you know

(32:45):
where you have a quick inning offensively and final six runs.
This team's gonna win ninety eight percent of them. They're
not going to with the pitching staff, they're not going
to lose these now got a little like you said,
leak the little oil, but just doing the methodical approach Colorado,
and they took care of a team that doesn't win
a lot of games. But again they birdied the whole
last night. Matter of fact, you got to you got

(33:07):
to beat Colorado, you just do. And they did so.
While not pretty, they did their thing and with you know,
with Bennett and Brian and Josh, they took care of
their business bingo bango bongo, and you know, and and
won a baseball game, which we always Colorado. We can
kind of take it for granted. They crept back, got
a little nerve wracking, but the won. Those are hard wins.

(33:28):
That's baseball, it's sports. You know, you don't win by
nine rounds on a regular basis, but in order to
if they post to last night, then we were complaining
it didn't look pretty. Always ugly wins. I'll take them.
I'll take ugly wins anyway I can get them. And
last night was semi pretty, but the makeup came off
as the game was going on. But there's enough substance
on this team, especially in that bullpen, to finish it out.

(33:51):
And they got some really really good stuff from three
or four guys that mattered last night.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Now, and I mean, the beauty of it all is
standings are all that matter. Wins and losses are all
that matter. You don't have to try to convince a
committee that you deserve to be in the postseason. So
it doesn't matter if you beat the Rockies by five
runs or if you beat them by one run.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Just do you win the game and do you beat them?
Base going to be talking about a six to five
Rockies win in September. They're just going to talk about
we won't even what was scoring that game. Oh yeah,
that was the one the day that we found out
about Jordan. That's that's how six to five. Like you say, nobody,
we were not keeping score. It's a good stat. Oh runs,
you know, the plus and minus category on runs against opponents,
and that the differential. The bottom line is, I want

(34:33):
the differential between wins and losses. And they've what's what
do you say, seventeen eighteen games over five hundred now,
mm hmm, it's crazy. Seventeen I think I think there
were they fifty one and thirty four, Yeah, fifty one
to thirty four, right on the number.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
You go two games, two games back of the Tigers
for the best record in the American League, and they
are about two and a half games back of the
Dodgers for the best record in all of baseball.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
So you've got that going for you, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
And the Astros hoping they can continue to make things
nice tonight with Hunter Brown on the mound and try
to clinch a series win before you take on those
Dodgers on Friday. Alex, see you right there. If you
want to join Alex on the phone line. Someone three
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get in. Someone three two one two five seven ninety one.
More thing up from last night's game that I think

(35:22):
we can cover.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
We'll do that right here. It is the Shawn Salisbury Show,
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Let the celebration start more Sean Salisbury.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
It's a Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Alex can lead us off this morning on the phone lines. Alex,
Good morning morning, Jan. Tell y'all doing today very well?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Man, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
No, I just wanted to kind of tom in.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Am I I might have covered this in the first
couple of segments because I didn't get to turn the
radio on until six point thirty.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
But am I just crazy?

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Or didn't they come out like two to two and
a half weeks ago and say that Albare had a
fracture in it, like a hairline fracture somewhere.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, and Sean, I mean, I'm fuzzy on the timeline,
but I think it was about a month ago. But yes,
they they did and it was a similar situation. Dana
Brown dug out with reporters, saying, small fractures sixty percent healed,
then have to wait and see on it.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Okay, Yeah, so it felt to me like it felt
to me real quick, like it was you know, we
went three weeks to a month somewhere in that range
of the bruise part of it. Did they think it was,
you know, a bruise or whatever they referred to it,
are a bruise or it wasn't discomfort Dan, a bruise, inflammation,
inflammation okay, see inflammation, swelling or whatever that is. Okay.

(36:42):
Then then we then we got then then I think
about three weeks or so ago that the fracture and
now they were going to go down and get it
and take time and and it was a little bit
of a setback blah blah blah. So yes, the timeframe
they didn't know the first week, but along and they
said they were going to start imaging more. Right, that's
about that's a good three weeks ago. They're gonna get
probably three solid weeks i'd say four or five weeks

(37:03):
into the injury. That's when we heard okay, okay, that
makes sense.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Because I'm trying to figure out, like why everybody's so
up in arms about it now, Like if he's got
a hairline fracture. If everybody remembers al Tuve had the
fracture in his hands in the World Baseball Classic, and
it took him what twelve thirteen weeks before he came
back to du Bond played his position to start the

(37:29):
season out and stayed there for what felt like half
the season almost. I don't think that's anything to worry about.
Alvarez is he's strong, He'll be okay, rest it the
right way, and come back in the second half of
the season ready to knock.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
The cover off the ball.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Let's go win this thing. Jo, have a good morning, fellas. Hey,
same to you, Alex. Appreciate it, buddy, I mean, Alex, thanks.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I am.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I do think it's something to worry about.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I'm with Alex on the I am one hundred percent
Alex on the upside. Hell, here's what I say, go
win it. If what Jordon isn't played the hell, they've
survived two months. This team has been as resilient as
any team in sports, overcoming stuff to major stars. Kyle Tucker,
the little losses of him and the injuries with you

(38:16):
one hundred percent, Alex. I'm a glass half full guy too,
so and I think they can go win the way
they're pitching, that they can be anybody they can and
they will, and how far they go, it'd be nice
to happen in because in the middle line they're going
to need a stretch where they're dominating on the offensive side,
where they're pounding runs in, and he's a big part
of it. But I am worried about it now. The

(38:39):
question is can they go win it without it? Maybe
how long will it be? But hell, if they have
to go another month, that would be three months. That
if they keep playing the space and what they're fifteen
of their last nineteen fifteen of the last nineteen and
I don't care. The competition is it is still grind
So while Alex, I'm with you on the positive part,
but I do think there's nothing to work some to

(39:00):
worry about.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
I do.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I Actually I'm more concerned maybe than others, And I'm
not trying to jump out in front and be an
a sayer. I'm more concerned that this is going to
be a lot longer than you think it is meaning
I don't think you. I mean you think you're seeing
him in July, Dan, No, No, okay, better chance, better
chance August tenth or September tenth. What will you be

(39:25):
closer when all of a sudden done.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well, I mean little expectations, be pleasantly surprised. So in
that case, September, that's me too.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I'm preparing like I actually if I'm an organization, preparing
like I'm not going to see him now. They know
more than we do obviously about the depth of the setback,
I think, and they'll find out with more imaging, I'm sure,
and seeing the specialists. But I hope we come back
after July fourth. They say it's not even the nearest
severe as we thought he'll be. He'll be back in
the cage in five days. Be great. I don't anticipate that.

(39:57):
I am concerned about it, and I think there is
and for a concern, because too much injuries that are
there's there's inflammation or there's as a fracture when you
get back that fast and have to leave that fast again.
It's not that this isn't just general Solis to go
see a specialist, as you had mentioned earlier, it's just
not well, I mean, that's the thing. You're not taking
them away from the spring training complex. I'm assuming he's

(40:20):
coming back here.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
And obviously we can probably get a little bit more
on that in a couple and a half hours when
we talk with Dana Brown. But I mean, I don't
feel like you send people the specialists just to check
on something. I feel like you do that you know,
hopefully beforehand, and it's something that obviously we can continue
to talk about. Here is our one is in the books.
Our two coming up next. Clay, see you right there.

(40:43):
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Speaker 3 (41:36):
There are also seven games up on the Mariners in
the West and only two games back of the Tigers
for the second best record in all of baseball. And
Sean had some good news for our caller yesterday from Ohio.
Ju Scruggs and his wife Gabby expecting so we did go, Yeah,

(41:56):
there you go.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Remember we are trying to sift through it. Okay, do
we miss something, Jude? I know the camp's getting ready
to start. Juice is getting ready to you know, have
himself ready to go, so that offensive line's sturdy, and
that we're telling them how great they are all year
long and getting ready for camp. And did we miss something? Yeah,
the most important thing in life that's apparent to another.

(42:17):
That was it their first I think so I believe
it's good. Congratulations. That'll that only change your perspective. But
take a deeper breath and now you get to be
a parent the rest of your life and now that
stress begins on raising kids. Good on them, man, and that'll, uh,
that'll make for an exciting training camp and you know,
to be able to have the family come visit and
all that stuff. And good on them. I hope Mom

(42:40):
and baby are doing well, and congratulations to him. So
thanks for the call you made us dive deep and
Juice Scrugs is going to be a dad. So there
you go.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I mean, you know, between that there you know twenty
thirty one second round picks and cash being sent back
for new rockets, we suddenly became the Matt Thomas Show
with ross open line Friday and the final segment yesterday.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Hey, subtimes, sometimes you gotta go bingo bango, bongo, dude,
that's it. It's okay. Listen. We tried to aim to
please anybody any question they have. We'll try to do
a little research. If we don't know it, well, we'll
which many times we probably don't, we'll stand up yell
of the eye. Heavens we have no clue.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well for them, it's in anything goes Friday.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
It was the old l rushbo Rush Limbaugh who had
an open line Friday here on the Rush Limbaugh Show.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Now you even get an impersonation out of me. Movie
quotes and impersonations, those are those are things we can deliver.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
For you too.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's what you got rolling with brother Boo boom. I
can count on it. I like it.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Well, you know, you got you gotta stick with the strengths.
That's what we try to do here on the Sean
Salisbury Show, at least I do. But anyway, seven one three, two,
one two five seven ninety the number to get in
clay and hockey. You've been patient. Appreciate your patience. Good morning,
Borndush do it very well.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
My question is, I mean, why don't you just send
these guys. I'm not talking about injuries like uh, torn
ham strings and torn ahels and stuff like that where
it's pretty obvious, but injuries of this nature like uh
Tucker had and like Jordan's got right now, I want
to send them to a specialist from the very beginning,
because if I go to the doctor and you know,

(44:17):
I've got something wrong with my hand on my knee,
I'm nine times out of ten they're gonna tell me.
They're gonna tell me, you know, refer me to another specialist.
So I don't understand why they just wait. And it's
such a lack of transparency in the in these injuries
that they're head.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think that is a great point. Thank you for
the call, right that is a phenomenal point. I'll tell
you what with all that, it gets a little skewed
over the two months. Okay, they looked at this, did
they image it? They took it early MRI. Did they
take any more? And then they said they were gonna
get more imaging and they saw the team doctor. Do
they see us? Do they get the second opinion? Do

(44:51):
they go to a specialist? I think that's a I
don't know the answer to that well, and maybe maybe
we could. But I am going to ask Dana Brown
today and it is a I swear when he was
getting ready to ask the question, I thought I knew
where he was going thing. And he's going to talk
about why didn't the specialist? Why are we seeing a
specialist two months in not seeing a specialist two days in?

(45:11):
I get it, and I do I get both, and
maybe they did. That's just it me. It was just
a doctor. But I'll Dan, let me just I try
to give people real life stories so they can apply
to what we all are weekend warriors, not for any
other reason other than experience it. I got to get
my fuse in my left I gotta get my left
ankle fused. When I got in a car accident, got

(45:32):
t boned. It just it's it's damn. I can get
by with it because threshold of pain, I can handle it.
And the doing in one of those push carts for
your knees on it and being in a boot for
two months is a pain that I ain't doing over
the summer because it just reps my golf game and
every time you play golf and gets swolled up and
you got to go play. And I'm okay with that
because to me, I'll handle the pain more than I
want the surgery. But when I went in there, I

(45:55):
went to a doctor after this happened, and you know,
after fifteen minutes, you know what he told me after
they looked at the pictures when I went in there
about my left ankle foot outside of it. Do you
know what they told me? This is now, this is
a this is I went to a foot doctor, an orthopedic.
Fifteen minutes in, not even after I got the imaging done.

(46:17):
He comes into the room, talks to pictures and shows him.
Do you know what he said to me? Here's what
I think. But we're gonna send you to a specialist.
Day one of the doctor visit specialist because this, now,
this is an orthopedic who sees this, whether it's knees, shoulders, ankles,
and this was an ankle specialist with I mean when
I say specialist, this was an orthopedic that had done that.

(46:40):
I wouldn't have gone to him if it wasn't didn't
have an idea what the orthopedic about my my ankle
foot right? And then he within By the time I
left that meeting after the images, in fifteen minutes, I
had already got a doctor's name. I was headed to
a specialist next. I think it's a not only valid,
it is a that needs to be asked because I

(47:00):
don't know where along the line and there's a difference,
or they wouldn't have said specialist. We're gonna go back
and see the team doctor. There's a difference whatever that
specialist is. And you've got a precious commodity, a precious
high priced player that you're counting on. I would do
it for any player. The backup quarterback deserves the same
or the backup guard deserves the same as the backup
right fielder. The starting superstar d eight du Bond deserves

(47:24):
the same as that. I'm not saying that My point
is we all, like we do in football, we have
rules set up to protect our what quarterbacks. So so
this looks at even a little different. Okay, the Akman's
gonna get a little looked at it a little different
early on than I am, because you're gonna, well, we're
gonna handle this miss at John for a week? Can
we handle miss an ache? When you get my point?
But that just comes in and you're like, oh my gosh,

(47:45):
this is our guy, or big invest this is our guy.
So why not a specialist out? And if they did,
then we just a doctor and specialist got skewed, right,
But I'm with them with those kind of injuries that
you're not sure, and especially when you're not sure, what's
the first thing you do if you have no idea
about real estate mortgage or about how to how to
figure out what it's a law term? Or you call

(48:07):
somebody who's a specialist, A yeah, calling attorney, call your money, right, yeah, yeah,
right right? I say, man, I don't understand the property
tech or whatever it is you may not understand or
financial well, I do the trading wealth commercials. I can
tell you what they know a lot more than I
do about certain parts of the finance. I know the
broad spectrum. I'm the doctor of it. They're the specialist.

(48:29):
Does that make sense? You be I wires same thing here?
So why wouldn't you if you didn't? And I don't
know if they did the simple word specialist? Why is
it two months in we're seeing a specialist? Now? Was
a specialist scene the second he came out of that swelling?
And you weren't sure? You weren't sure? I don't know.

(48:52):
That's a question that has to be asked. When did
the specialist come to Fruition and with somebody this precious
when it comes to your team. Why are we nine
weeks or so into this and we just heard the
word specialists? And then we may be wrong. They may
have saw a specialists a day after. I don't know,
but I am going to ask.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Well, in a fair point and a great call by
Clay of the lack of transparency, because we don't have
anything else to go off of, Sean, that it, at
least the perception of it is that you didn't do
every single bit of due diligence on this, and whether
that's fair or not, that's for you to be able
to answer. But Dana Brown on this very station, on

(49:35):
this very show, had talked about that they were going
to do more imaging. If you're going to allow the
man to swing a bat and that's what last time
sent you to this, I mean, at least tell us
that you did it again and there was everything looked clean,
and you send him back out there. If that's the case,
I can live with that. But if you just assumed
and this happened, there's nothing else I can really go
off of.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Sean. Okay, real quick, let me ask you this. Let's
say all of a sudden, when Dana comes back, he says, Sean,
the images and doctors told us he was one hundred
percent before we stuck him in the cage or on
the field facing live batting practice. Now do you have
a problem with it? Then if the images say, doesn't

(50:18):
your narrative or your thought process shipped now to the player.
Let's just say, I don't know how they handed the
eight weeks beforehand. We've been covering that for eight weeks,
so we and we'll go back and win the specialists.
I believe I'm not gonna leave a stone unturned when
we when we try to find out this question I
don't know if I'll get all the answers, but I'm
gonna try my job. We may not get any answer,

(50:38):
and I get it because Dan has got stuff he's
got to deal with. I get it. But I'm gonna
ask respectfully and find out and poke and prod and
tell at least we have an idea or we don't
have an idea, which gives us an idea.

Speaker 8 (50:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
If they don't have the answer, then we're not gonna
have it. But I am going to ask. And it
does beg the question if they tell us that imaging
was done, that it was one hundred percent healed. Now
will it suffice if they say, oh, he was ninety
eight percent healed, Are you okay with ninety eight percent

(51:11):
taking live batting practice and then he re injures it
or has the setback and now has to see a
specialist and they're shutting him down. Is it the player
who's fragile that we're gonna worry about this our whole career?
Because remember, coming down the pike in another handful of
years is what three hundred million guy? Yeah, we're talking
about you have to think about it in long term.

(51:33):
We always say, well, where's is he durable enough? That
question will get asked if if he was one hundred
percent healthy and heard it again, then you're gonna hear
the B word, the brittle. Is he brittle? I'm not
saying he is, but there will go to social media.
You already see it and there are some that oh
he's soft to trade him as I saw it one
hundred times on social media. So I'm not saying he is.
I'm saying that'll be a perception. You don't want to

(51:55):
carry that around as a player. So my question is
where where's our threshold? When and when we talked to
Dan is it? Yes? Imaging said he was as healthy
as he could be before he took live VP. The
imaging the doctors told us we can cut him loose,
meaning let him rip. Okay, he lets it rip and
goes back. Now are we talking about either the doctors

(52:16):
were wrong? Doctors were wrong that he should have been
able to let it rip. He was close to but
not one hundred percent. Does that suffce? Do you want
him at one hundred percent fully where there's nothing wrong,
it's just a matter of getting his rhythm back.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Is that it?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And if that was the case, and he was as
healthy as you can be before you take live VP.
Now does it go back on the guy meaning well
he just says, hey, he's the speci old opinion that
he's brittle. You'll hear that. Or does it go back
to the doctors and say said he was one hundred
percent The imaging doesn't lie, does it? And it's healed
right and he's good to go, Then you say well,

(52:52):
or we we're reading the pictures wrong. I mean, there's
only so many different things that can be the answer.
There just is. With a a visible structure injury, there's
only so many answers. There's not forty oh, there's not
forty one fs here, There's just not. It's it's basically,
was he healthy enough to get into log VP? If

(53:13):
he was healthy enough in the images and the due
diligence was done properly and put him in a batting
and it stuck him in the batter's box, and then
after one day he's beat down. You have to have
a step back and shut him down. Now does it
go with either the pictures were red wrong and everybody
made a mistake on that he was healthy, or did
the guy just did that we're dealing with the guy
who this is going to be part and parcel to

(53:35):
his career. I don't know what it is, but the
questions have to be asked because when it come my
knee was either healthy enough to get back on the
field or it wasn't.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
It.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
It's either healthy when I had shoulder, you know, labor
him and shoulder when they look at the pictures now, Sean,
it's just a matter. You've got to rehabit properly. And
I can tell you what the first time around. When
I did, I was a little not lazy. I worked it,
but like I wasn't a good patient. I had labram
surgery in my shoulder, Dan, you know what I did.
I wore the sling for two days, not seven six,

(54:07):
seven eight weeks like I was supposed to. I'm like,
oh this, And I put a pillow under when I
slept that because I'm one of those miserable sleeping right,
and I don't want to take drugs to sleep. So bam,
and I was horrible and it didn't heal exactly the
way it needed to, so it wasn't strong. But I
didn't let it heal right because that stupid little sling
should have kept on, so I had to go in
and there was other injury I had to fix anyway,

(54:28):
so they kind of redid that too. So my second
time I learned a valuablesson. But I'm just telling you
that when they saw the struggle, it's healthy and now
you've got to strengthen it. There's only so many answers
you're going to get that you can get there. The
legitimate when we find this out, the images doctor's opinion,
and was he one hundred percent when you ran him

(54:48):
out the live VP And if he was and then
this happened, then either it wasn't as strong as we
thought it was, or yourd on's threshold. The pain's just
not very good and it's brittle. That's just what you're
You can only deduct a few things from this man,
and we'll find out as much as we can.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah, we're going to do everything we can to do
so as we'll talk with Dana Brown here in about
a couple of hours, Alan Southside get to you, but
also to Sean. We always love being proven right, and
for me, boy, it seems like I was proven rights
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Speaker 2 (57:18):
Let the celebration start or Sean Salisbury the Seawan Salisbury Show.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
The Salisbury stakeout, SALSBURYEF takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, we are your resident Richard Dreyfiss and Emilio Estevez
here on the Sewn Salisbury Show. Sports Talk at seven ninety.
Get to the stake out here in just second. But
the Astros six to five winners over the Rockies last night.
Your Don Alvarez sorenis in his hand and he is
going to see a specialist. He has been shut down

(57:59):
from a baseball activities for the time being. Someone three
two two five seven ninety, al get you in here
really quick.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
What's going on? Al? Hey? What's going on?

Speaker 7 (58:10):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Hey? Sean?

Speaker 13 (58:12):
Guess what how about their Astros?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Keep winning? Man, keep winning? I'll tell you anyway I
can get it. Brother.

Speaker 14 (58:20):
Yeah, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna go down and
rabbit hold. These injuries and all that we already know
the history I just want to let the fans know
to give them some love, enjoy this here with regardless
to what's going on. The best hitter, we got hurt, injured,
we got some setback shun. One thing I know about
professional sports, and you notice I take a collective group

(58:41):
better than I will sometime everybody put their head hitter.

Speaker 13 (58:45):
Or the top hitter on the team because guess what
I know. Look over at the Yankers with Aaron Judge,
how that's working out?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
The Astros.

Speaker 13 (58:52):
We got a collective group guys that know how to
color for the next guy, and that's the new England way.
The next guy up, say, man, they doing a great
job up collectively.

Speaker 11 (59:01):
That's what I'm looking at. And John, I said it.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
It's on tape, it's on ripping. I told the.

Speaker 13 (59:05):
World I'm not worried about nobody in the ael No
one scares me. That's why I said that, John, how
about that ten percent? Why the bet I was talking about?
Great show guy.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I appreciate the call out. That's great stuff, man, and
you did. If you've been constantly persistent on that, I
will say this too. I agree with you. One the
collective part of it's like that I refer to football
offensive line. If I got one superstar, well, TUN's is
a perfect example. You had a guy who's been in

(59:36):
the Pro Bowl and a high money guy, and then
they're mixing and matching and trying to find the four
guys and he's jumping off sides and the rest of it,
and you, uh, you still weren't the offensive line you
needed to be. I would always rather have give me
a Hall of Famer at one position, and then four
other at left tackle, and then for average or below
average offensive lineman, I'm still getting my ass kicked up front.

(59:59):
Give five solid but no superstar Pro Bowl player up
front on an offensive line, but all of them play
sixteen seventeen games and they've been together all year long.
I'll win more than you will with your one Pro bowler.
And it goes true in baseball too. I'll take the collective.
And the perfect example in baseball is you ever heard
of Otani and Trout on the same team, and you

(01:00:21):
know how many playoff games they played together? None the
two best players. We could argue maybe Acuna when he
was healthy, and Tatisa's four or five, but you ain't
getting past three without mentioning Trout and Otani when they
were both playing on the same team winning MVPs, they
didn't sniff a playoff. The collective part of it is

(01:00:42):
the same thing here. Lose guy, lose a guy, lose guy,
lose a guy, lose a guy. Win a division win,
a division winning division win, a World series winning division winning.
With division win, the Alcs win a World Series. So
while Jordan's important, this team can win without him. It's
proven and you can replace that Kyle Tucker with Cam
Smith if you scout it right and do it right. Yes,

(01:01:04):
they're better with Jordon, even though the record says they
know how to win. But the truth is alis spot
on Dan Spoting. Give me collective five offensive lineman as
opposed to one good superstar Hall of famer and four
average ones. I'm not going to protect my passor very
often any five solid ones and no pro bowler at
any point in time in his career. But they're all

(01:01:25):
great out well together, I'll protect my quarterback. It's the
same thing here, and this collective ASTROS teams does deserve credit.
They know how to win regardless of who the guys,
and I assure you all they want youord On back
Christian Walker's not pouting that Ordon Alvarez is not out there.
Neither is al too. They wanted their friends and teammate,
but they're not gonna pount about it because guess what.
The second a pout and don't perform, Guess what then

(01:01:46):
we start losing and they lose their job. It's pretty simple.
It's a big old. It's a big old, you know,
when you're playing Domino's ment and this team just doesn't.
They just don't take a back seat when when their
star gets hurt, which is a unique trait and it's
a good one.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
They have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Talent doesn't always went out to me and you would
feel like you'd be better with Jordan Alvarez, but the astros,
I mean they.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Would be, you would be, but you can still win
without him, and they've proven it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, well they're proving it right now, being seventeen games
above five hundred. All right, Sean, So I have told
you numerous times that Liam Neeson, Denzel Washington, Jason Statham,
you could probably even throw Tom Cruise, And now I'm
gonna throw a fifth one in there, Glenn Powell. They
seemingly play the same guy in every single movie for Nisan.

(01:02:38):
There's two qualities in his movies that always play out
some sort of grief, whether it's a personal story that
does sometimes become his on screen story of dealing with
the loss of his wife and you know, trying to
go through that grief, and there is some sort of
grief that he's trying to overcome and even the dogs

(01:03:01):
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
The other one, too, is that he's a lone wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
So in the movie Ice Road, where he plays an
ice road trucker, it was an action thriller about a
group of ice road truckers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Who are attempting to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Who attempt a dangerous rescue mission to save miners trapped
and a collapsed diamond mine in Canada. They must navigate
treacherous thawing ice roads in northern Canada, contending with the
elements and an unexpected threat. In the movie, his brother
is a is a veteran who is dealing with PTSD
in Aphasia.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
He ends up losing his brother in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Sorry for the spoilers out there for any of you
who wanted to watch Ice Road, Well yesterday proven right
yet again, Sean, because Ice Road Vengeance is coming out
and Mike is Nissan's character's name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, that's already out. Oh is it in? I almost
watched it on TV last night. Oh straight. I watched
the trailer and I'm like, here's Liam lone wolfing, you know,
And you're exactly right. I watched the trailer, dude. It
says if you watched it already, there you go. It
falls right into your steakhout there you go. You can

(01:04:12):
get it on your TV right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
June twenty seventh. So yes, you are right correct about that.
Appreciate you bringing that here. But Mike, who is Nison's character,
goes in Nepal to sprinkle his brother's ashes on Mount Everest.
When Mike and his mountain guide come upon a bunch
of mercenaries while traveling on a tour bus, as they
are forced to fight to save themselves, the passengers and

(01:04:34):
the country. Again grief and also acting as a lone wolf.
That is Liam Neeson for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Oh yeah, and sometimes it's in a strange child too.
You know that his daughter and he won't let him
see his granddaughter because he wasn't good because he was
always working or he was you know, and Booze is involved.
He'll be drinking with some side a whiskey at a
bar by himself, down and out, and then all of
a sudden something will wake him up and he'll have
to go save somebody's life, which gets him back. I'd say,
I'm back, you know, right, Hey, Dan, do me a favor.

(01:05:06):
You've got to roll up off, Liam Neeson. Oh, I'm
not hating you, better roll Listen. This dude has a
particular set of skills. Okay, so you've Yes, he's got
a particular set of skills and he will kill you. Okay,
so makes us weak? Yes, I got news for you.

(01:05:28):
He and Chuck Norris ain't the only lone wolf. Okay,
make no mistake. Chasmo ain't the only lone wolf. Uh,
Liam goes lone wolf. You're exactly right, but you're right.
You're honist now. Glenn Powell, I saw his new so weird.
I saw the preview of the new movie he's in
and I know the name of it, but I saw
it last night, So yeah, there you go. He's another

(01:05:49):
one with Pale. It's the cocky arrogant, right, yeah, the
arrogant who has a battle with somebody in his same team,
or say like Maverick. You know there's a competitive nature
about him, and then he turns in at the end
to be you guys won me over. He's one of
the guys right there. We stay at them. Yeah, I'm

(01:06:13):
with you, brother, I got you. You hit Liam Me said, perfect,
he hated. But he does have a particular set of skills.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yes he does, and he's proven it numerous times. And
with Powell, you're one hundred percent right. He starts off
as a dB or just a flat out D and
then at the end of the moment, Yeah, yeah, you're like,
you're like, you know what, I actually like this guy.
Like even in the newest Twister Twisters. I mean at
the beginning you're like, oh, this guy, you know, just
what a clown And at the end of it you're like, no,

(01:06:39):
actually a really good guy who's in this for the
right reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Like I like this guy.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Maverick tod Gun when he when he blows up the
plane when they're trying to get home and they don't
think they're going to make it right and when he says, uh,
just put your seatbacks, seatback, said, tray tables up, seatbacks, Ford,
we're heading home or whatever he said, and had that
smirk on his face that he always had during the
whole movie, and you thought okay, and even before that
when he told you when he told uh, what's his

(01:07:06):
name before they left, when he didn't get chosen to
go on the first on the first mission, right on
the one they were going, and then he said, hey, man,
you know, basically go kick ass or whatever he said
to him. Then you start saying, Okay, he's making the switch, right,
He's gonna be one of the guys instead of the
guy that everybody in the thing hates, right because he's
an arrogant prick. But yeah, he turns out and then
he's like, oh man, he's a pretty lovable guy, a

(01:07:27):
little insecure, but he wanted to show how confident in
cocky he was. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, they look you
play a role. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
It inspires producers directors to say, oh, you know what,
I feel like, I see you in this character. I
feel like that's one hundred percent you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I just see.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I'm curious to see what the new Naked Gun is
going to be with Nissen, because apparently it's a lot
like the original Naked Guns, where Leslie Nielsen, who by
the way, was not thought of as being a comedic
actor and then used in that which probably got to
believe that. The emphasis for that was seeing how funny
he was an airplane. But you know, for for Nissan,

(01:08:03):
a lot of it is improv comedy. And he did
have a scene in the Newest Ted where he had
an improvisation checkout line.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Right, Yeah, it was priceless. I laughed as much as that,
and I did because everything he said there was all
the stuff we make fun of right for kids, Yes, exactly.
So does this make me a child if I enjoy chicks?
The reason why this is a perfect role for him
is that it's so dry. He will deliver. He's a

(01:08:31):
good one line delivery, like you said and Ted, where
he stand on the line and say, oh my gosh,
what's he doing it? And he's making fun of taking
in the thing of all his other roles, And I thought,
you know what this dude, Well, he plays the same role.
And then when I saw him a naked gun, I said,
he's the perfect guy for it because you don't expect
the humor, right, but he does have some His timing

(01:08:51):
on one line delivering is pretty impeccable. Right, So I'm
actually anxious to see how he does, because it's hard
to replace Leslie Nielsen and knows man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I just at least from the trailers that I've seen,
it does seem like the Innu window is because that
is the Naked Gun franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
You've got to have the window like you always have that.
I mean, nice Beaver. Thanks. I just had it stuffed
with Presley and Leslie Roger Roger even though that was airplay.
That kind of stuff that that humor you're talking about,
right is I think Desa will be perfect for. But
you're right about these roles. Dude, I next to the

(01:09:28):
State the movie that comes out, I'll bet you I can.
You want me to script it for you, I can
ride it. Yeah, he's a minor. He's he's a trucker.
He's a construction guy. No, but he's a he's a
he's a he's kind of drifting around, you know. Like
I said, he's something happened in his previous thing. He's
a special Forces guy. Right, he got in trouble defending somebody,
and so he had to move out, lost his wife.

(01:09:49):
But he's raising his daughter. So they go out in
the somewhere and he's just mining his own business. In
his old pickup truck and shows up and now bam,
he got to go get revenge and fixed some things
in town that he didn't want any part of. Right.
Or he's the you know, he's the guy who is
a trained specialist. It's a fixer, you know what I'm saying.

(01:10:10):
You know the role that he's going to be, and
it's everyone and he plays him well. I don't want stay.
I mean, Statham's the guy.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Why wouldn't you love it? That's it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
I mean I would say the only snatch was one
where you know he's he's the lead drugs out guy. Yeah, yeah,
but you know, just trying to be able to make
sure that he and Tommy connect.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
He's either delivered, right, He's either delivering product for the
bad guys to make his cash and has all those
suits and white shirts you know what he's going to
be dressed like, right, Or he's delivering news to the
bad guy that he's going to fix that bank robber
and get it killed because you guys shot and killed
my kid or my son along the way and I'm
about to get even with you from But it's always

(01:10:51):
something to do with his family that somebody messed with
or somebody else's family. But he's a he's he's an
enforcer and a fixer as we always see, he's got
he's got that rat be voiced a little bit too.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I feel like I have to kill this guy exactly
exactly now, there is absolutely no doubt. And the next
one that comes out will be well, exactly the same.
It's just a little different twist, but he'll pull it off.
There's Liam Neeson. The man always works as a wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
It is a Sean Salisbury show here on a Western Wednesday.
Brian and pare Lancey right there, get you involved in
the conversation. But one of the things that Al brought
up right there, Sean, it's been covered recently with the Astros,
and I feel like it's not gonna surprise a ton
of people, but it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
We'll talk about it right here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
It is a Sean Salisbury show on a Western Wednesday,
Sports Talk seven ninety. The seven o'clock hour, seven ninety
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Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
It seems like the culture is the reason why the
Astros continue to win. As Chandler Rome, who does a
great job covering the team for the Athletic put out
this tweet the other day another day, another another attempt
to explain what it is about the Astros clubhouse culture
that allows them to keep doing this, And the snippet
that he posted was about est Sac Perettis, and it

(01:12:09):
was a quote from Perettis talking about at first in
spring training, I thought it was going to be harder
because you have all these superstars, so I thought it
was going to be more strict.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
But it's the complete opposite. It's very relaxing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
They've been very open, and that gives me the confidence
to go out there and play ball. A relaxed and
loose atmosphere is what allows for these guys to continue
to play the way that they have shown.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I don't think there's any doubt there's a difference between
full player empowerment to where you feel like it's just
a chaotic all over. Guys are doing that if you
listen to make a comparison. I'm trying to remember what
player it was that I was reading an article about
was talking about the Chicago White Sox. Former player was

(01:12:56):
on a show yesterday and he was there for a
couple of years. He's not in the lead. I mean
he's been. He was in baseball for oh, Cliff Frasier,
I think, yeah yeah, I saw it, yeah yeah, where
he was talking about his he in Chicago and he
said they don't want to play. This was in twenty
twenty three, for twenty twenty two. I think his lasted
the year in twenty twenty three might have been his

(01:13:17):
last year there, but he said they don't want to play.
Guys in meetings had their phones on and intentionally weren't
paying attention to the coaches they would. I mean, he
go against it all. He was a constant complaining there
was no it was awful. He said they did not
want to play, talking about the players, and he was
one of them. Now now now do the astros. Everybody

(01:13:39):
wants to play, everybody wants to go there, everybody wants
part of it. So it comes to one there's a
difference between player empowerment, meaning, you know, like we see now,
we're seeing it all over sports. NBA's had it where
they just run the league. That's not their job. Their
job is to go play and run the league that way.
But we've allowed the athletes to say I'm you're trading,
like right now, Yannis is under the contract in Milwaukee.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I'm not saying Yannis is doing wrong, but we're talking
about Yann. It's like he's a free agent. As if
you know what I want traded? So guess what you're
gonna trade me. We see in the NFL. I don't
want to play there. What do they do?

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Two weeks later, you guys traded. I mean we get it,
roll out of red car everything. You Oh sure, they
said there's a difference. There's dif'ser. Player player mpowerment is
important as long as the right player empowerment. Hey, police yourselves.
I'm not gonna micromanage every bat. I'm not gonna correct
you every swing. I'm not gonna stand over you like
your your parents did in the Little League some of

(01:14:34):
them and say, hey, straighten it out when you hit
a foul ball. No kidding, I'm gonna and when you
walk into this clubhouse, we're gonna we're gonna be honest
with you guy. You players, we're gonna play. Everybody's gonna contribute,
Uh the leadership. We're not assigning somebody a leader. We're
just gonna it's gonna kind of just take it on.
And I know this is an overused word in business

(01:14:56):
and building companies and getting pub and getting bandwidth for
your company is the you know, the old grass, which
we're going to build it organically. But in truth that's
what they did. They didn't force feed anything. They force
fed you good players and hired the right people to
develop them. But there is I've been in locker rooms
or it's like this just doesn't feel cozy, and then

(01:15:19):
you get in. I mean right off the bat, you've
also went and bought a house, and before you bought
that house and you saw another one, you're like, I
just don't feel right here, and then it bears itself
out and by something happens. I don't like the way
they do this andn go get another house. But you
know when you walk into one that you love, the
feelings different, like and love are different. And why it's
a parent and I don't know why either. In Chandler

(01:15:39):
is in search of and does a great job doing it,
trying to figure out what's the main element. I think
the main element is no matter who's here, that the players,
it's actually novel concept having fun to having fun playing
while it's a business to be able to have fun
and want to go to work every day, unlike apparently
the Chicago White Sox did not want to do and

(01:16:01):
these guys do. And winning helps that. But you got
to in order, you got to build the right culture
so you can win to get to that point. And
I have yet to hear a person walk away from
Houston and say the culture wasn't good. They can say, well,
they didn't pay me, but you're not. In this last decade,
you cannot walk away from this organization saying you know what,
culture sucked. They didn't let us do it. They micro managed,

(01:16:24):
the ownership sucked. How often do you see Jim Crane
being interviewed or talking about his team? Rare? He knows
about it, seems involved. But I'm talking about he's out
every day. You know what I'm saying, taught like Jerry right,
I don't mean, but that's it. People know their roles, man,
and to me, they do it is about as good
as there is in anywhere. But culture matters. And I

(01:16:44):
think that Tomko's doing the same thing, and it appears
Emo a Dooka is doing the same thing. Everybody wants
to play for Calvin Sampson. Of course you're going to
work your ass off, but there's a culture difference here,
and when players know you care about them, they do different.
When players, oh, you're going to kiss their ass, they
take you for granted. When players know you're going to
respect them and be honest with them, that's all honesty.

(01:17:07):
I mean, I like what you have to hear, but
if you'll be honest with me, we'll never have a problem.
I may play somewhere else eventually never have a problem.
That's how you build culture, the honesty and transparency, and
then live up to it. And I think this organization
is as good as any in sports over the last
decade at doing that. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
It's also too, I mean, it's knowing what it takes
to win and also realizing that you like what it
takes to win and you like the winning, and not
wanting to go off of that and go back to
what this organization had been before they started to win
really starting in twenty fifteen. So I think a lot
of that plays in and jose Al Tuve has been

(01:17:45):
a part of both of those, so I think that
feeds into all of this. But someone three two one
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Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
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so at that number and will continue the Astros conversation
because things, even without you and Don Alvarez, continue to
be good for this team and hopefully that continues. We'll
discuss it right here. It is the Shawn Salisbury Show,
Sports Talk seven ninety.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
The Jean Salisbury Show continues that we're exactly at the
halfway point of the year. So that means that this day,
going forward, we are now going to be closer to
twenty fifty than we are to the year two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Great, that's awesome. Thanks man, appreciate you letting us know
about our mortality. Okay, okay, father time's on. Defeated man,
There's nothing I can do about that, all right, but
thanks for the reminders. I'm trying to go into July
fourth holiday upbeat. I got this jord On news, this
pain you news, and now you're telling me we're old
as hell is basically what you're He is just a number, Sean.

(01:20:45):
You know that I fail your dog, I fail you,
I do I mean tripley. How old are you? I am?

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Twenty five?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
All right? So year two thousand he was born? Yes, sir,
well well, let's see, think about this, you're also closer.
I mean, well, nineteen seventy five feels like eighteen twenty seven.
That's fifty years ago. That's still that's about the age

(01:21:15):
difference between Bill and his girl.

Speaker 12 (01:21:16):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
So who's age doesn't matter? Mall the chickens go, it
doesn't matter. But yeah, that's the kind of it's sobering
Dan to think twenty fifty we're ahead of the Jetsons now, right,
it's crazy, man, it's crazy. You're co well, you know
some Dan, think about this. What year did you graduate
in high school? I graduated No. Four, okay, and we're
in twenty five, so it's twenty one years ago. Correct.
Oh yeah, is that right? Yeah, let's see, and you're

(01:21:41):
about forty. You're almost as you're almost as close to
your retirement party. I'm just kidding, but I said, but
you're almost as close to your retirement party as you
are your high school graduation.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Well, the good news is, and I found this out yesterday.
You know, Minnis Saint Thomas, we are going to have
a young alone nine happy hour here in a couple
of weeks. And I still qualify as being young alumni.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh that's awesome, But yeah, you're right
close to twenty fifty and a tadbit a tad bit sobering,
but man, it is, it's just a number. Brother. How
you feel about it, what you got going on? All good? Yeah,
I forget you know what you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
A date fact I found out about because I was
about to say fun fact, it's not a fun fact,
is that if you're this age, you are as close
to I think it was like nineteen eighty as people
at that time were to World War Two. And you're
just like, oh god, like you know because like you
read about it in school, the history books, all of

(01:22:44):
that kind of stuff, and you're just like, exactly, you
said nineteen seventy five, where it feels like, you know,
that wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
But then you're like, oh, actually, yeah it was. It
was fifty years ago. About little gut wrenching, but it flies,
which I guess is a message to all of us
that life's good, man and precious, and enjoy it and
be safe this holiday weekend and have a blast, and
let's get our astros players healthy. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
That, Yeah, all of the above, all of the above,
and speaking of Astros players being healthy, we'll discuss health
and everything else with Astros GM Dana Brown here coming
up when he joins us for his weekly visit at ninth.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Can I ask you one question real quick, ask away
before you go to break real quick. When you when
you came out and and and uh delivered uh your
your you know when you talk about the headlines this
to this segment. He came out and it struck me
when you said I had a did he he's soreness?
Is that what you said? You called it that what

(01:23:42):
they called it? Sorenis soreness and shut him down? Does
that usually go hand in hand? Or is it usually soreness?
We're going to take a few days off? I would
you usually it would be The line was right, And
I don't know if maybe I'm just reading in the
semantics the words, you know, because now what this has happened,
Now I'm getting into each end, I'm breaking down to

(01:24:03):
each individual word. Well, is there meaning behind it? I'm
just thinking that if I'm sore, I'm just gonna ic
a tub it up and take a couple of days off.
You're not shutting me down, We're just taking it we're
just we just need a little rest, an extra day. Right,
shut down usually means severe, doesn't it. I would think so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
I mean usually if you're shutting someone down, it's serious
enough that you think, like, oh man, this you might
not just spend time to rest.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
When when your car has low air in the tire,
you don't put it on the shelf and stick it
away for two munchs. You go put air in it, right,
you get it? And for me it's okay. So I
know I'm sore, But do you shut it down? Do
you just completely crap can the whole thing and shut
it down for a while? Or is this soreness a
severe severe soreness where they're worried that the structure's damage.

(01:24:48):
That that's the I know, dude, I do. I think
about crazy stuff. But the word solid part of it
gets to me because soreness and shut it down don't
seem to mix to me. Do you give af after
two months? Right? Well? It just doesn't. So maybe it's
just the verbiage. But and I'm reading into it too much,
But I can't help but read into it too much.
With this situation, we're burying the lead here. We need

(01:25:10):
John tafford to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Shut this kitchen down now, one of the best ones
he ever had was it was a terrible kitchen. And
he goes down the bar like, you know, his arm
like a rake like with plates everything across, busting bottles.
He throws it against the wall and goes like all
in one motion, goes Nobody hates this food, right, So

(01:25:34):
maybe that's what we needed with your on. Hey, hey, John,
what do you think shut him down now?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Yeah? But you know what he does a couple of
weeks later, opens back up. That's it. Let's go, that's it.
Let's get it opened back up, get it back on
the field.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
We need the stress test, and then we need a
complete success. They've completely revitalized their business. They have a
real chance to succeed now. So hopefully that's Hey, I'm
John Tapper.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Soreness in the hand for your Don Alvarez shutdown from
baseball activities. He is going to see a specialist Astros GM.
Dana Brown going to join us at nine thirty four
his weekly visit someone three two one, two five, seven
ninety is the number to get in, Brian. You've been
patiently waiting. Appreciate that good morning. How you doing well?

Speaker 15 (01:27:21):
It was good Dan, until you decided to bring me
down with your twenty fifty com man Jesus. I was
born in nineteen eighty, so thanks for I guess my
Wednesday can only get better from here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
So uh no, just going your hard time brother, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
When I like when I start hearing that guys that
are signing college football, uh national signing day. You know,
letters of intent were born when I graduated college. I'm
right there with you, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Wait till you both of you guys, wait till your
like buddy that you played football with his kids now
a pro bowler and has three kids of his own.
Now now you're now you're now you're in my league.
Hey man, your son that I watched grow up in
and put a pacifier in his mouth now has three
kids of his own and he's going to the Hall
of Fame, just like you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Were, your past status at that point. Yeah, you're kind, yeah,
you're You're in Gramp's status there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
I deserve not to be taxed on anything. No taxation.
That's my that's my one thing. Just no money. Once
you hit like fifty, we should never be taxed to
day in our life. How's that with them? That's what
I'm asking for.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
There you go, there, you go?

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
What you got? Brian? Yeah, real quick?

Speaker 15 (01:28:25):
You know, I know last year when the Astros signed Karantini,
I'm taking god six million dollars for a backup pitcher.
That's the best six million dollars I think the Astros
have ever spent. I Mean, that guy's been so verstaile
so clutch when you need him. Obviously can play a
little first, but right now, just a huge left handed
bat in that lineup when you desperately need one. But

(01:28:46):
it also makes you know, the trade deadline even more critical.
And now I think the Astros are going to have
to overpay if they want a left handed bat because
people hear this news with your not like, yeah, he's
not coming back anytime soon.

Speaker 10 (01:28:57):
So you want Cedric Mullins, you want Ryan I know her,
and you want another.

Speaker 15 (01:29:01):
Left ind of bet all right, it's gonna caution you.
You know, maybe it was your tenth or eighth prospect.
You know, now we want a couple couple more guys,
So you know, I'd also love to know what that process,
because I want to say, what ten days ago, maybe
he was only at eighty percent healed, So at what
point did they know he was at eighty to one

(01:29:23):
hundred percent or something, you know, was that cleared by
a doctor and say, yeah, hey, we feel comfortable with
him going on or were they just taking ord On's
word that yeah, I feel okay, so let me start
and now you know, you might send him back for
another month.

Speaker 16 (01:29:36):
So I would love to know.

Speaker 15 (01:29:38):
I don't know if Dana would would get into that,
but just hey, was he cleared by a doctor? I'm like, yeah,
I feel good with him moving forward and going down
to the FCL League and taking this live VP or
was it that you were on How do you feel? Okay, Yeah,
we're just gonna roll with that and go. And you know,
obviously a player is eager to get back when he's
been out this long, so I'd be I'd be curious

(01:29:59):
to know him that. But this team amazes me how
they keep finding ways to win and who's gonna step
up the next night, whether it's Cam or Tartini or
Dubon or whoever it is. But uh, yeah, i'd be
curious because they're gonna definitely need a left handed bat because.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
You really only have one.

Speaker 15 (01:30:15):
I don't you know, no offense to Taylor Trammel and
Luiski Armey and Cooper Hommell being able to switch hit,
You're just gonna need another left handed bat. And I
can get Jacob Mountain back great, but that still doesn't
still that hole that jord On leaves. But thanks for
bringing me down, Dan, appreciating me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Good Wednesday, guys. Thanks, I appreciate it, Brian, no doubt.
I'll tell you this twofold on two answers for you
one when it comes to it. And I don't know
if you were able to tune in on the first
segment in the first hour I went in on I
want to know, did imaging say he's one hundred percent?
Now you do have to rely on the player. Sometimes
the image you can say a hundred percent. I take

(01:30:56):
you back to Derrick Rose who was cleared to play
AF for blow out his knee I believe was knee
or ankle, and he didn't. They delayed it more, doctors
cleared him and he said, I'm not ready to play.
Now you take from that whatever you want. I'm using
him that that example has been more than one and
whether it's he still hurts and the pictures aren't showing it,

(01:31:19):
whatever it is that you take that how you want to.
So you do need insight for the player. Man, we
are cleared, how you feeling? Of course that's just natural.
But the question will get asked to Dan whether whether
he knows the answer or not. That was imaging to
the point of was he one hundred percent before he
took live VP. That will get asked or are they
just going on feel. Of course, it needs to be asked.

(01:31:39):
On the other side of it. With Kartini, Dan, you know,
I've talked about this on this show and we have.
I think if he plays every day, he's a top third,
if not better catcher in the league. When you combine offense, defense,
and versatility, I think he's not only is six million
dollars a bargain, he may be one of the biggest
bargains now on this team. We have quite a few
of them, Pinia Hunter Brown, but for contract reasons and

(01:32:01):
where they are in their career bigger Carrotini is legalized
theft for this team, he'd be starting on fifte in
my opinion, on fifteen other teams at the minimum. I
think he's that versatile and I think he's an everyday catcher.
The problem is he've got a guy who's a budding
star in front of him. We got the best catching
in my opinion, and this is the best win when

(01:32:22):
they're both going good and healthy. This is the best
versatile catching system in the league. I mean, starter and backup.
It just is, and Keratini is the best. Maybe I'm
missing somebody and we see him every day. I think
he's the best and most clutch backup catcher in this league.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Well, and I mean there's precedent for this too, at
least on the catching front, because you know, it's kind
of follow the trends here. When Dana was in Atlanta,
they did the same thing. They had Travis Darnault really good,
one of the best hitting catchers in baseball. They said,
still not good enough. We need to have two really
good options back there, so let's go get Sean Murphy.

(01:32:59):
And I think he brought that same mindset here to
Houston when he said, yeah, we like Jiner, maybe you know,
could get a little bit more out of him defensively,
but the bat plays, so he's our catcher of the future.
But would love to have somebody that maybe we can
count on more defensively, and we feel like has a
good enough bat, and Uncle Vic has been more than

(01:33:20):
serviceable with the bat.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
There's no doubt. And you know what, the Iron Das
will get better. He'll he'll he'll prove every year defensively
with the con I trust this team and their development
of pitchers but also players. I trust that Dias will
continue to elevate he's still in the youth of his career.
You know, you're trying to you're trying to stay in
the lineup because you're bat and then you're trying to upgrade.
You know, how you handle pitchers as you go along
that even becomes more important. And catching we see it

(01:33:43):
all the time. How you handle it defensively, blocking pitchers,
handling a pitching staff hints why Maldonado was able to
stay in the league and and here and play with
hitting one ninety okay, so that that's the next level
of his game while he's working on his offense. But
with Victor Carrattini, And I don't mean this, This is
no disrespect to Jiner, because you know how I feel,

(01:34:03):
and I know we we love him and think he's
got a bright future, as does the Astros. Or Cory
Lee wouldn't be playing somewhere else. But I will tell
you this, If I told you now that Victor Carrottini
had to be the starting catcher of the rest of
the year because Jiner had some discomfort okay and couldn't play,
God forbid that happens. But if he didn't, you know,
then South, But if he did, do you honestly believe

(01:34:28):
that this team would take a step back. The answer
is absolutely not. Well, I because you would. Depth wise,
you would if you had if Victor Krrottini was the guy,
because you had a little banged up uh and he
couldn't play for a month. You know how worried I
am about the kid, depthwise would bother me. You know
how worried I am about the catcher production none or not?

(01:34:53):
And I think yerd Is is going to be a
hell of a player. He's a guy three four, five
hit or something. I mean, over the course of his career,
he'd be sitting in the middle of the lineup and
hopefully the catching continues to improve. But Victor Karattini, I'm not.
As a matter of fact, when we look at backups
on this team, backups, I know the versatility of Dubon.
There is nobody I trust more in the backup role

(01:35:16):
as an everyday player. Whether it's a backup left fielder,
whether it's a backup center fielder. Right, it doesn't matter
to me. There's nobody on this team in my opinion,
that is closer to being a starter. It won't be
here because Diaz, but it's close to be a starter
than the guy who's the backup catcher. I think he is.

Speaker 8 (01:35:34):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
I loved him why, I just everything about him. He's
a pro, he handles things. It feels like he's a
quiet leader, but also that you know what you get
and you know he's going to give you gread at bats.
You can move him a different position, play him at
first base. I think he is the best backup in
a position on this team. And quite frankly, you know,
when we're looking about sixth man in the NBA, you

(01:35:56):
can look around the league and when it comes to
backup catchers or backup first baseman or what have you,
this dude's in the team picture. I think he's invaluable
to them. I do. And I think you could survive
two months if you had to, if the catcher, if
Jiner was banged up, and you had to play Victor Carrottini.
That's the regard I hold him in and I don't

(01:36:16):
know why we wouldn't well, I mean, and especially too
with yer struggles at the plate. That's why you've started
to see more Victor Carrottini behind the plate for that
very reason. And he's switch hitter, right sure. I mean
and so but he I mean, I don't even know
where the average is splits this year, dan left and
right side. But I just feel confident when he steps
in the batter's box. Don't you just feel like he's

(01:36:37):
going to Yes, I feel like he's going to give
me a solid at bat with some power mixed in
and hits the ball the other way. And like I said,
I don't know what the I don't I'm not looking
at it, but what his average and splits are? You know, right?
He lefty? But I just to me, he he makes
you work as a pitcher, And I just think I
don't think anybody feels like you're you're taking a step
back when Victor Carrottini's playing every day and I doesn't

(01:37:00):
play every day, but I think you think he could.
But janer Dieaz is the future. But your presence pretty
solid with these two.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Well shout out to Apolo Does for pointing that out too,
Paulo Media of Victor Carrottini being a professional hitter so
much to the point now where Uncle Mike has passed
the torch to Uncle Vic. So now we've got Uncle
Vic Carratini taking care of business at the plate.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Yeah, uncle cousin dad, he's your daddy. Great point by them,
and he's right uncle. You can't call him uncle Vick.
He kind of has that feeling if he's been around
for like twenty five years, even though he has it
right and he plays young, but he has a there's
a presence about him. I'll tell you what you want
to good at bat from a guy coming off the
bench and has to start it a bit that has
to gets to Victor Carrottini has been He's just been

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ideal for what they've needed at that position, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Speaking of trends and patterns with the Astros, might we
have uncovered a trend with the Astros. We'll discuss that
here as we continue to roll along here on The
Sewn Salisbury Show On a Western Wednesday, Sports Talk seven
ninety The Sewn Salisbury Show continues, No, now, you know,

(01:38:14):
how do you do that? It's just this Chuck Norris.
You don't really need any explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
You just believe it. You can't made a happy meal? Cry?
Is this the same Chuck Norris that when a cobra
bites him, the cobra dies. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Yeah, same guy beats the sun in a staring contest,
can slam our revolving door. Yeah, both of those.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Things and more the original lone Wolf.

Speaker 11 (01:38:36):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Yeah, okay, yeah, listen, anything chas Mode does. You can't
surprise anybody. Well, you know, Chuck can't surprise anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Chuck Norris flew or Chuck Norris ran so Liam Neeson
could fly.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Your guy can basically telling me like when Chuck Norris
stares at garlic, it's the garlic that becomes mild because
if he you know what I'm saying is he can
take the kick out of garl like just by one stair.
That's who Chasmo is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
He can keep alvocados from going spoiled, but in a
minuting in a day.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Yeah, right right now, bananas stay ripe all the time.
That's it, Chuck nor that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Avocados, Man, you go buy them and then you're like, ah,
too hard, I gotta wait for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
And then you open it up and it's like, oh
my god, this entire thing's brown. Now what the hell?

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Yeah, here's what you do avocado though, First of all,
do you eat avocado just by itself? Like scoop it
out of the thing and just eat it with salt
and pepper. Yeah, salt and pepper absolutely. Then add a
little red hot to it. Yeah, add a little red
hot to a little spice up that avocado, and you're
down there, you go. Yeah, no, all of those. I'm
definitely there with you. As you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
One of the things though, that Brian and Parland brought
up Sean and I was talking about trends and patterns.
I mean, Dana Brown's been pretty adamant about a left
handed back.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Yeah, I mean, is it again?

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
You know we're being under sold on yourd on I mean,
we're you know, we're talking the worst case scenarios here.
I mean, I'm even seeing some on Astros Twitter say
see you in twenty twenty six. I mean, it's starting
to make you even wonder if we're seeing Jordon Alvarez
again this season and if that urgency is being projected
out there. As to the Astros are starting to really

(01:40:11):
be concerned that that's a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
And you need an impact left tanded bat in the lineup.
Oh yeah, I think you need one anyway again. And
I think that that's been as Steve Sparks kind of
alluded to it as well in this lineup Jordan or
sans Jordon. But how quickly they move on it, and
how quickly those rumors and or possibly that you know

(01:40:35):
that there's there's more substance to it start to fly.
And now Dan, let's just say Jordon is out for
longer than well than he is now add two months
to it. Just for the hell of it. Let's just
say that no longer, in my opinion, becomes a even
though you can win without him, you're proven it depth
and asking your pitching staff to pitch the same way

(01:40:57):
in the second half, exactly the same way as a
lot to do. But they're capable of it, there's no doubt.
But the bigger that left handed bat is meaning you
know how we talk about oh like with the rockets
you got these guys, is it yanis or is there
just a little are we going to add another? We
got Kevin Durant and you know went and got Smith
and you went and got Capella. Are now is it

(01:41:19):
a few small moves and Ben did a good job
with them, maybe small ones right or maybe a small
one left, whatever that might be more another and Ben
was talking about Bende Bill's yesterday about guards right, maybe
maybe they're they're not guard heavy. Then maybe another that
that may be because they've gotten big man physical heavy,
no question, which is a good thing. So with that,
the question is, well, is Yianna's still in play? Now

(01:41:41):
let's switch to the astros Jannis meaning your Don is out?
Doesn't that left handed bat become more non fill in
guy as opposed to we got to find a left
handed bat that maybe somebody is willing to part with it.
It's a middle of a lineup left handed bat that
it doesn't that is it? Wouldn't you be more apt

(01:42:04):
if you knew Jordan was gone for two months or
the rest of the year. Are you not thinking I
might need a not not a platoon bat or a
guy who can still in and play a position in
DH and gives you power and pop once in a while.
But a guy who becomes your DH left handed power

(01:42:25):
does the does it go up? You've got to go
find that guy and hopefully not a rental that some
team that's got to you know, likely you know you
look to Baltimore as we talked about some and I
ain't talk about Mulleins or anywhere where somebody was supposed
to be good, they maybe want to move some stuff,
or a team that's just got a good player. You know,
you can see teams out there they've got a power

(01:42:46):
bat that you can say, well, maybe we can inquire
about this guy. And I'd have to think over the
names who would be who that would who had qualify
as that you're not getting Bryce Harper, but you know
what I'm saying to where you can get somebody to
part with a big money a productive player on a
bad team or a good team that's underachieved their ass off,
and then the frustration is we were going to move

(01:43:09):
the guy because well, he's gonna be worth more than
three years. Whatever it is. I think it becomes more relevant,
but the key is getting you ORed on it. And
I think they need a left handed bat, but I
think the significance or the the size of that left
handed bat gets different if you are if you know,
and you'll know the trade deadline if they know, if
you if you wonder about Jordan and they bring in
a guy who's no longer just a guy, but he

(01:43:31):
could end up being that guy and I don't know
who that is, and I don't even know if he
exists out there right now. But if that's the case
and we start hearing him talking about moving assets or
a current player, then you'll then you'll know the significance
of that injury. But you're hoping you'll find that out
before the trade deadline ends, and it will know more
early in July and in a week or less or
maybe today from Dana, but he'll get asked. So if

(01:43:52):
that left handed bat was relevant even before it, it's
far more relevant and prevalent as well. Without him, there
is no question. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Someone three two, two, five seven ninety the number to
get in. Mikey and bell Air wants to weigh in. Mikey,
good morning, Hey.

Speaker 11 (01:44:09):
Fellas, good morning. Did you all ever read those books?
Where is Waldo?

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Yes? You still do?

Speaker 17 (01:44:16):
I still do.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
I'm still looking for Waldough.

Speaker 11 (01:44:18):
Yeah, found you not that Chuck Norris is the reason
why while there is hiding.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
M interesting. Yeah, where in the world is Carmen san Diego?
Norris might just put us on something here a great,
great callback.

Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
I like that Waldo's still hiding because well, Chuck Norris
wants him to hide.

Speaker 11 (01:44:42):
It'd be nice to have Kyle Tucker back in the
lineups that left tune and hitter. But I get it,
you know, right now, the pitching is carrying us through.
And you're talking about trends and the astros we're winning.
That's a nice trend for winning ball game because of
our pitching. And I love the setup in closing situation

(01:45:05):
that we have with you know, Peter and Brian lebra
you that's just you know, to shut down a team
in the eighth and ninth inning. There were years where
we just couldn't do that and we didn't make it
very far. Twenty fifteen, we couldn't close out Kansas City
and the wild card and we lost. You know, but

(01:45:26):
pitching is Pitching wins championships. People say that all the time,
but we need offense. Every time we've won a championship,
our offense has been incredible. And these teams that get
that far they have good offenses too, and they're going
to score six, seven, eight runs in a game. And
if we can't do that, we're not going to go
very far. And I don't think right now this team

(01:45:47):
is built to go very far, especially without jord On
and a couple of the other guys that are going
to be injured. For a while, we've got wonderful pitching
like we did in two thousand and five. We had
Clemon's pettitt Oswalt Macki, you know, whoever our closer was.
Then we got swept in the World SERI, because we
couldn't hit Everett awestmas pitcher seven, eight nine, you know,

(01:46:11):
nine of the time it was three up through down.
I'm just I don't feel very good about this team
right now. You know, maybe three or four months later,
will our offense will start going? You know, I don't know, man,
what do y'all think about that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I appreciate the call Mikey.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
I mean, look, you know, he's singing the same praises
that I've been singing, Sean of talking about the offense
being a concern for this team, and I mean, you know,
to his points. I mean that two thousand and five
team they got it done with bait, you know, baling
wire and duct tape when it came to that lineup.
Because there's no way you should have been in the
World Series with Mike, Liam Morganinsburg and your guy Jason

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Lane leading the.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Charge right well, and this I would I would suggest
that the hitting on this team SAMs Jordan is still
better than that, okay, and then they games and the
performance at the plate, even though it hadn't been consistent.
I would trust these names no disrespect in that if
the if these bats were in that lineup, they would
have got swept. If even with the struggling the Altuve

(01:47:12):
a healthy pain, even without your on, they wouldn't have
got swept in the World Series. But I can tell
you this, great hitting and no pitching, you ain't going
so Mikey's right, it'd be great the hitting and you
know to mash, because we've seen teams that do that
mash theway I mean. The Texas Rangers are kind of
a recent EXA mashed all year long, but really in
collect times and in the postseason. They got lights out

(01:47:34):
pitching to win the World Series, which is a boat,
which is a Boachie specialty. So if you gave me,
I had to choose one of the other, gimme pitching
and average hitting, and I still got a chance. That's
why this team stells a chance. But to sustain it
a buck sixty two is hard to do. If they do,
they will be in it. They're what's seven seven and
a half in front right now, Dan, is that where
we are? There are seven games in front of for

(01:47:55):
the division league. That's a great thing heading towards the
middle of July. Great thing, and nobody would have thunk
it three months ago. And you and I both know it,
and so does all our callers. Maybe you thought, hovering there,
it's gonna be a last week of the season thing.
They're giving themselves a little latitude to to to not
rush somebody back like pain you if that's the case,
But more injuries start to stack up, and then you're

(01:48:17):
being held together by duct tape. But I do know
this that I'll take pitching over hitting any day of
the week. Good if you give me great at both,
give me pitching, You give me good at both, give
me pitching. Now if there's if you give me great
at both, I'm win the World Series. It's the way
it is unless the other team's got the same thing.
But I get what he's saying. Yes, you get to it,
because here's the problem. When you face a postseason team

(01:48:40):
Detroit and a short series, they've got pitching just like
you do. That's when you got Okay, I at least
got a scrape out four runs and not two. There's
no doubt that hitting matters. And I'm not sure you
can be a bad hitting team and win a World Series,
but I think you can be. It's the timely hitting
and when you do it in the postseason. But you
do have to You've got to stress out the pitching

(01:49:02):
because you're gonna see the Scoobles. You're gonna see Otani
in the World Series, you're gonna see the Wheeler. You're
gonna see the best of the best. And if they're
hitting a little better, do they win? But without pitching,
you got no shot. So can they still? Yes, I
just don't know how we can expect them to sustain
this dan with injury after injury, without consistent hitting, and
expect that every single time out you're gonna be able

(01:49:24):
to scrape it out and a bullpen is going to
bail you out because at some point in time, the
bullpen will get tax when they use five to six
guys yesterday, you know, starting with what four to four
and a third, it's I mean, grinding these outs fine
and dandy. You don't want to keep grinding them out
like this and having to get the bullpen on a
four inning start and then all of a sudden in
September like, uh oh, But right now it's fine because

(01:49:45):
they're really, really good and as good as there is
in baseball all around, pitching wise. But I'll always take
pitching over hitting. But I think Mikey's onto something that
it can't continue. At some point, those key hits are
going to have to happen against great pitching themselves. You're
in the postseason, but seven games gives you a little
bit of time, although it can switch in a hurry.

(01:50:06):
We saw that with the Astros last year. But this
team is the resilience of this team. There's nothing that
they do that won't shock me that they can still
pull this off without jord On. But I don't think
you can stand pat right now. If Jordon's not gonna play,
You're gonna have to do something, man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
That's that's why I'm not coming off a hill that
I've been willing to die on for some time. And
we'll discuss that here as we continue. Biscuit Joe, see
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Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Good morning, biscuit, Hey topor more than my brothers?

Speaker 12 (01:52:37):
He Hey Dan?

Speaker 16 (01:52:38):
You you when you was talking about those numbers, and
so are you saying you graduated high school in two.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
Thousand and four?

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
I did? I graduated? Oh for Saint Thomas, Wow, tripa
is a twenty five, So.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
He wasn't even in kindergarten yet when I was already
eighteen years old.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Sir, how about that?

Speaker 16 (01:52:57):
We were getting up at age?

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Make it throw, make it throw up in your mouth,
won't And guess what? But our mature our maturity is
still as low as it gets. We're as immature as
it gets. I'm okay with.

Speaker 16 (01:53:13):
Me, but sho, we've seen some good some things I
don't think they've seen man in life.

Speaker 11 (01:53:18):
Man.

Speaker 16 (01:53:18):
And one of the things I want to get through
Shine is the cobra, Man, the cobra going on in Shine.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Yeah, cut me deep, man, cut me deep. And especially
we're so close to being able to hear him after
all these years and waiting to get in and put
up Hall of Fame numbers, to be able to talk, yep,
and to be able to be able to go up
there and and be the guy that gets his hands
on it first. It would have been nice. And it's
a bummer, but he's in Cooper's had. At least he

(01:53:45):
knew that they recognize him as a Hall of Famer
before he passed away. Yeah, that that one hit different
because I mean he was he was the right fielder then,
you know, I mean that was that was. Yeah, it's
sad man losing too many of them, Biscuit, too many
of them.

Speaker 16 (01:54:00):
You don't remember shouting that All Star game. Man, he
put on the show with that one All Star game.
Mande was throwing bbs from out there, man, Yeah it was,
and he didn't believe in one hoping him he was
going it was a cutoff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Man, ain't touching this ball. That's right, man.

Speaker 16 (01:54:17):
This dude is at the wall throwing a BB to
the catcher.

Speaker 7 (01:54:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
It's like, yeah, I mean and hit.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
For average, hit for power, funny guy and a lot
of great one liners. It was just when he was
healthy and when he came in he was a five
tool stud man. Sure was right.

Speaker 16 (01:54:31):
I mean, and I'm seeing picture shot of him in
the red uniform and in the A's and no man
the day park I'm thinking of is with the Pirates.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Man only one uniform, dude that I'll ever see him
in is all those like see to see what people
don't understand, Bisky, you do that the Pittsburgh Pirates or
Oregon Ducks uniforms before the Orgon Ducks, you know, they
got like three hundred uniform combos. We are family. They
had like twenty uniform combos with the circular old school
hats and the different you know, the pin straw. They

(01:55:02):
had everything and they were pretty good. That still kind
of the well was Steelers the same colors it was.
They had great uniform combos. But yeah, Dave Parker is
nothing more. I know, Cincinnati and Oakland. He had some
good moments. He's a Pittsburgh Pirate through and through, no doubt.

Speaker 16 (01:55:16):
Yeah, that team right there, Man to come back down
three to one in the World Series and come back
and take it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
All, Man, that was That was one of my favorite teams.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
We had the Big Ram Machine, we had.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
The Lumber Company man those Yeah, and then they mentioned
all those all those misfits with the Oakland A's. Those
three teams were iconic and yeah, and back to that
Parker too, Man and those teams and how how they
were built. And remember he did it in Three Rivers
Stadium on those legs. Yeah it was turf, old school
brick and mortar stadium, you know, concrete facility. They didn't

(01:55:51):
have all the bells and whistles you get now. And
he did it like a lot of the old school ones.
But if he didn't get those knees beat up, you
would even seen a better Dave Parker. But he was
sure spectacular regardless, no doubt. It's a bummer, man, man,
I want to hit different.

Speaker 7 (01:56:04):
I want to hit different.

Speaker 8 (01:56:05):
Man.

Speaker 16 (01:56:05):
We just were getting old.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
We're getting over this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
I'm not letting to catch me. Brother, I'm not letting
to catch me. I'm running like crazy, almost starting. I'm
gonna start laying in hyperbaric chambers. Man, I'm telling you,
I'm gonna start going nut job on you. I'm gonna
lay them every day. There you go, you're doing shows
from there, right. I meant to look into that child,
look into that well they talk to you know, the

(01:56:32):
old school guys are smoking some gars, sitting around telling
at the barber shop. They're gonna go to let's cut
the biscuit and Sean, they're laying in a hyperbaric chamber
with a with a whiskey and a So they're defeating
the purpose by smoking as a guard drinking a whiskey.
But who cares. Yeah, I'm with you, brother, I'm with you.
Appreciate you, man, I always do it. You two have
a great life. I appreciate a biscuit. Yeah, we gotta

(01:56:54):
find ways. I mean, you know, the blood of the young, supposedly,
what's it? Ice baths and then another thing that they
tell you, you know, we'll keep you young. We're trying
to find it, you know, Sean. Until we find the
fountain of youth, that's what we have to rely up on. Well,
we know some things. I'll tell you. The close thing
I got to a fountain youth is that those drips. Dude,

(01:57:14):
when you're dehydrated, go get a drip. I'm telling you
right now. The next day you'll feel like you want
to conquer the world. That's one. And plunge schools. That's
about as close to the fountain of youth as I'm getting.
And that they work. Brother, I'm just telling you to
revitalize you.

Speaker 8 (01:57:27):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
I should have done that twenty years ago. So there
you go, well, now you know, so you're doing it now,
so it's it's just as good.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
And you know, speaking of Dave Parker with you and Biscuit,
I was watching, you know, the Foul Territory Crew, which
I think next week we're gonna have aj Perzinski on
from there. And he's on there with Airocrat, Scott Braun
and the crew they had because they're out in Vegas
for the poker tournament, and they had Gary Sheffield on
and he was talking about lamenting. You know, he wanted

(01:57:54):
to see Dave experience that. But he said that Dave's
wife comforted him the other day of saying, you know what, chef,
he knew that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
Enough for him. He knew agreed, and that's god. There's
got to be that piece. Okay, the speech would have
been great and moving and funny because that's who Dave
Parker was. But the fact that like Kenny Stabler didn't know,
I don't think. I don't think Kenny say, which is
my guy, right my whole life. I love him, But
and some guys at Junior sayou didn't didn't know, right,

(01:58:27):
I don't think I'm thinking of the timing of it.
And Junior was not five years out of the league.
I don't think, or maybe it was close. I'm thinking
of the year in Junior, who was obviously close to me.
I know the year, but I'm trying to remember at
the if they did he know, I have to look
at the year. But there's been guys who passed away
that they got elect the Hall of Fame two or
three years later, and they had no idea Dave Parker

(01:58:50):
did know. The bummer for us, we didn't get to
hear him. For him, that peace of mind is that
he was able to have everybody congratulate him in old
teammates to a guy who belonged in the Hall of Fame,
which is important. And there's plenty who haven't known, and
then they've been elected, and it's like, oh, man, what
a bummer. I would have loved to hear Dave Parker.
But the fact that he's at peace knowing that he
was a Hall of Famer, that's got to be That's

(01:59:12):
got to be pretty cool. Something Pete Rose never got right.
So there's an example. But Dave Parker knows and and
was validated, So good on him, and I'm going to
miss him. Man, what a player.

Speaker 8 (01:59:22):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Those of you didn't get to see him, go watch
old tape. You'll appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
Yeah, Junior went into the Hall of Fame in twenty fifteen.
He passed in May of twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
So there you go. So, and that's exactly right. And
you know, my thing was, I knew the year he
passed away, but I couldn't remember when he was elected
to the Hall of Fame, right, but we didn't he
didn't know. He knew he was a Hall of Famer. Dude,
he's a fourteen time pro bowler, right, he knew he
was Hall of Famer. But there's still Pete Rose the
Hall of Famer. But he didn't get the tap on
the shoulder of the call. Junior knew it was going

(01:59:51):
to happen, and then you know, hearing his daughter speaking
the rest of it. But yeah, I'll never forget where
I was the day Junior passed away on that date
and I was, I was down here, was in Houston
and for visiting from Dallas. I'll never forget where I was.
And the call I got from my friend telling me
so the twenty twelve I couldn't remember when he got
elected the Hall of fame, but three years difference. He
never knew, but he knew. Let's put it that I've

(02:00:12):
had Coller. He knew, but he was never going to
talk about it. It's like unspoken if you're not a
Hall of Famer yet, you just kind of let it have.
It's like a no hitter, right right, Yeah, I know.
Even my guy Warren Moon, I said, Warren, you know, well,
you get an idea, but you still don't know, and
you're still shocked when you get the call. So it's
a bummer we don't get to hear from Dave Parker.
But I'm good with it. If he knew and had
peace and his wife created piece for chef, and then

(02:00:34):
he ought to have this, and then then we all
ought to feel the same way that he at least
was recognized when he was alive. Absolutely, and he'll go
in this summer.

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Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
That's beautiful. People are happy, eating good food. Hopefully if
you've got a boat, you're on the water, at the beach,
swimming in your pool. Good times. I think it's I
actually think July fourth sands dogs getting up that it
fireworks and I love fireworks, but we've had this conversation.
I feel bad for animals and it bums me out.

(02:03:07):
But I understand people want to have a good time,
just not five days in a row. When it comes
to fireworks. Just give my point. But I love July.
I think July fourth there's gonna be something that think
it's overrated. I get it. I think it's underrated. I'll
take July fourth. I'll take it July fourth over New
Year's Eve six ways of Sunday and twice on Sunday.
I think New Year's Eve is the most overrated holiday

(02:03:28):
on the planet. There's a little bit of amateur our
stuff to me. July fourth there's nothing amateur about it.
You can grill burgers every year for the rest of
your life and it's not amated. It's still a great time.
You can swim, you watch out, baseball, whatever it is
you're doing. I'm a water you know.

Speaker 8 (02:03:42):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Hell, even get up play golf on July fourth and
then go to the water whatever. I love July fourth
because I think people are generally happy. I do, especially
during the day and having fun. I think it's an
underrated holiday. Some may not, but I think it's the
most underrated holiday of the year. I love the feeling
about it, and it's like a four day feeling, right. Yeah,
hopefully not the fireworks, just the eating and leftovers and

(02:04:04):
barbecuing and grilling it. Just to me, it's sayings that
we're right in the summers, we're in the throes of it.
I love July fourth, now, agreed. I'm right there with you.
Labor Day. I think it's a close second. Thanksgiving grade
this is the third and Thanksgivings just at the top
of the old. July fourth is just highly underrated. Mind
for me, the Thanksgiving weekends as good a holiday as

(02:04:25):
we have, there's no doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:26):
And I mean those other two obviously have football in it.
And then after July fourth we get football, So there's that.
But I'm with you on New Year's Eve, like I
I've never understood it. I mean, I've always felt like
that parties were a pain in the ass that they.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Can't get a drink in a bar because you're seventy deep.

Speaker 8 (02:04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
I like July. You know what I do. I like
December thirty first, an at home with a handful of friends. Okay, yeah,
drinking at home, watching something on TV whatever, I don't
care what. It is, just good people sitting out, having
good food, whatever your tradition is, and sitting around the
How I'm not a I'm not a dress up formal
club guy. When it comes to that anyway, let alone,
once you've done it, once you know done all that,

(02:05:05):
whether you're twenty five or fifty, that's fine. But if
you do with the group people, I just soume celebrated
at a person's house, and I'm not I'm not a
big resolution. I am a goal guy. You know the resolution.
But I try not to make my life change on
December thirty first. I'll change it on December twelfth if
I have to. But I just think it's overrated because
it's chaotic. I like where it's night. It's a little

(02:05:28):
more low key and yeah, you know, you know, given
gifts like it created, it's like nobody, there's no pressure.
New Year's Eve feels more stressed out than relaxed. It's
a it's to me, it's it's it's it's a it's
a nice excuse to go drinking stuff. But for me,
then when we're all excited about a new Year, to me,
I think it's highly overrated and I don't I don't

(02:05:50):
care about all the pomp and circumstance at midnight. I
know it's fun and I do it. It's not ba humbug.
I don't set my clock by New Year's Eve. I
just don't. It's no more into the foot. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's the effort of it all.

Speaker 3 (02:06:02):
Like that's that's what I think, you know, because the
other two for me are Halloween in Valentine's Day. Like
I make her feel special every day, some days even
more than others.

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
I don't need it, you know, a day to tell me, oh, hey,
I've got to get her flowers, I've got to do
all that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
One person holiday this is that's not a lover's height.
It's it's a holiday for females. And that's okay, even
if they get you something. But we think about when
I think of Sweetheart's Day. No, it's really you know,
I think it's a holiday. It's not. I don't need it.
I don't want anything on on Valentine's Day and you're married,
dating or single, but you do feel like you need
to get Yes, it's like a that's a pressure holiday.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
It is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
Yeah, it's not supposed to. It's pressure. I like Halloween.
I like the scary mask and I like I'm into
that in the scary movies. I'm I'm into it. But yeah, man,
I uh the holidays serve their purpose at times and
the right ones. And July fourth, you're right about it.
Like the it's a lot of work. You wake up
on July fourth, turn on your grill, put your short song,
sun glasses, and put a baseball cap one. Let's go

(02:07:01):
play and watch Joey Chestnut kick out. There you go, brother,
there you go. All of them, all of them. We
want to lack efforts.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
That's a holiday, That's what it is, right, Relax, right,
joe pressure and something.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Go as you please. I'm with that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:07:16):
Christmas, Thanksgiving there, they're all all the sort, all right.
See if you have you on the phone line someone
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it also Astros GM. Dana Brown going to join us
in about thirty minutes. Right here, it is a Western

(02:07:37):
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Speaker 18 (02:10:20):
This is the Sean Salisbury show. Round Paul right side
and throw for a base hit that'll score Smith and
we're tied at one. Christian Walker drives in his thirty
eighth run of the season hit that's just the right
of the first basement Tolio, who is way off the line.

(02:10:41):
Here's the pitch breaking pitch club deep.

Speaker 19 (02:10:45):
To right field and she's gone a grand slam for
Victor Cartiti, victor seventh of the season, and the Astros
open it up.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
Here's the two two shopper right back to the pitcher king.
He's got it.

Speaker 20 (02:11:01):
He's got the runner hung up over to third based
at parades and over to Dubon and Dubon to shortstop.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
He's gonna tag out the runner.

Speaker 20 (02:11:09):
Bet got caught off on a terrible base running mistake
by the Rockies young outfielder, and there's one away on
that fielder's.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Choice one two. Did he go around?

Speaker 18 (02:11:21):
Yeah he did, couldn't hold up on the slider, and
Brian Obre, who comes in and strikes out the side runner,
goes one two.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
Did he go around?

Speaker 18 (02:11:28):
Yeah, he did strike three on the slider, and that
is the ballgame. Josh Hater remains perfect and the Astros
victorious over the Rockies six to five.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Yeah, Robert Ford feeling you.

Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
You in on the details right there as the Astros
able to take care of business in Denver last night.
Is Dana Brown going to join us at nine point
thirty talking jord On Alvarez and everything else with the Astros.
But Sean, the sounds from last night and the sound
right there of a lot of Astros fans being in
Denver for these games.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
Love it. They you know, they think they do that.
That presence in a lot of ballparks. It's it's pretty
cool to see because we see it a lot here.
Red Sox come to town, Yankees come to town to
there'll be people that'll follow their teams and we see it.
And I think the Astros do a good job of
taking their peeps on the road, meaning Astros fans, and

(02:12:23):
I love it. It sure did sound like they had
the sound of a home game, didn't it. It really did,
And the way the Colorado Rockies are playing, I would
imagine did did even if it was a Rocky fan
shared for the Asta saying now, we'd sure like to
be like that. So yeah, we got we got good fans,
and it's they travel well, which is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:12:42):
There are shirts and hats in Colorado during the summertime
that say go back to Texas or we get it,
you're from Texas, or anything else of the sort. It
is almost a rite of passage in the state that
people who can do it do make the pilgrimage to
Colorado to be able to escape the heat, and.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
It's a phenomenal Yeah, a good good friend of mine,
just in his family left yesterday to go do the
same thing to Colorado, to go enjoy a vacation. The weather,
they're spectacular. It's a good time a year to be there,
there's no doubt about it. So good on the ass.
It's also a good time when you go there, and
you go there on business trip and win makes for
when you do have time off a little bit better,

(02:13:21):
So good on them. Two more of those and you
head down to what's going to be an epic baseball
weekend at Dodger Stadium and Chavez Ravine.

Speaker 3 (02:13:28):
For sure going to get going on Friday nights and
the Astros hoping they can continue to take care of
business in this series against the Rockies. Someone three, two, five, seven,
ninety is the number to get in. Dozekis wants to
be next, and he is right here.

Speaker 7 (02:13:43):
Yeah, good morning, Sean. Dan's been a been a week
since I'm men on the air, but I've listened to
guys every day, Sean, I wanted to share a few
and then if you give me a few seconds zero.
Going back to the Poirates team back in the day,
I'm pretty sure you remember, I was trying to recollect
some of the players, one of my favorites aside from Pops,

(02:14:04):
and they was menacing Gian and nothing Oma Marino and
I think Scrap Barron's playing that team record, John, you remember.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
Yeah, there was where Phil Garner was. He played second
base for them, and I don't know how deep into
the we are because he and Rennie Stennett. I know
you probably remember that name. Yes, I think it's the
only guy with seven singles went seven for seven in
a game where he did all singles. I believe. Well,
let's I'll check that on the Google machine. But yeah,
Phil was part of those teams that were it had

(02:14:35):
Parker and Starjalauned I don't know if he was part
of the World Series team that you know, the Lumber Company.
They may very well have been, but he kind of
epitomized too. They were they played tough and hard and
kent to Colby and Bruce Keason. Billy Madlock was there
for a while. Yeah, Franka the shortstop. Yeah yeah, Eddie absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, Eddie.

(02:14:57):
It was Lee Lacey le Lacy. There you go.

Speaker 7 (02:15:01):
I don't know, and I don't know if I've heard
this before, but it's been forty plus years. That's why
I want to give my condolencence to Dave's wife. I
had a friend, okay, they are part of a real
close friend of Dave Parker's name is Leon Tucson. He
was also a real close friend of mine. When they

(02:15:21):
was playing with the Reds. I had the privileges my daughter, Vanessa,
she was an infant. So it's been forty plus here
that we managed to sit next with Dave Parker's wife,
pe Row's wife, and obviously on the red So it's
a memory that I wanted to share with you guys.
So condulecence to a Parker family. It's good to talk

(02:15:42):
to you guys. You'll have a list of what the
July weekend and keep out doing the job, take care.

Speaker 3 (02:15:47):
I appreciate it. Those same to you, man. I mean,
you know, we touched on a little bit earlier to
you know, Sean with the story I told you about
from Gary Sheffield.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
But I mean it's also too.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
I mean, you know we did this with Pete Rose
and you touched on a little bit of you know,
just the guys of finally getting their opportunity. I mean,
you know, you'll get a lot of them that rightly
deserve they're in, you know it, But then you get
a lot of them too that they've got to wait
it out. And it probably even gets to a point
too where you're like, hey, I thought this was going
to happen, But am I so sure?

Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Oh, that's a regular occurrence. And I have talked to
guys that you look at say come on, man, I
told you this. But the guys that we it's obvious
that we know, right, come on, you're a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
but shy, I don't know, we'll see. You never know
how these things go. So while they may know it
and feel it until it's stamped and validated and your

(02:16:42):
Dame's on the on the bus and you're you know
it's real, and somebody has told you you're not. Even
then like I saw my guy Sterling Sharp, you know
he finally and belongs Sterling Sharp is spectacular. How do
you have played longer? Receiving records would have been in danger?
But I know that for a guy who's Sterling, you
know golfs and stays away from that stuff and didn't
pine for himself to be in the Hall of Fame,

(02:17:03):
but we all knew he played like a Hall of
Fame or Lecturelle davis career cut short right didn't last,
but for five, six, seven, eight years he was as
good as we had numbers wise. And so when guys
like that, you just never know. And I talked to
Sterling at warn Moon's tournament a year ago, not this passing,
but the year before, like fourteen months ago, whatever is.
And at that point I said, dude, it's time, isn't it.

(02:17:24):
This is before he got elected Dan And Sterling was
a great friend, has always been a great friend. He'd
always supported my tournament and we worked together at ESPN.
But he was like, what are you going to do?
They call? He goes, oh, it'll just dis His great
line was, I said, dude, when don't we get in
that call? And this was, you know, a year before
he got the call. He goes, shout, I don't even know,
he goes, I didn't think about it right now, which
he probably does because emotional as brothers in the Hall

(02:17:45):
of Fame. And he said to me, and I asked heim,
I said, whin.

Speaker 8 (02:17:48):
He goes.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
I said, what are you going to do when you
get that call? He goes, I don't know, he goes.
I'll probably just say, you know what, man, don't disrupt me.
I'm on the golf course now, you know, because he
plays like seven days a week. The guy played right now,
Sterling's out of tea time. A'll guarant Askedy Someway in
the golf ball. Oh yeah, he can smoke it right.
He's a really good player. But he plays all the time.
He said, ah show and all that stuff he did

(02:18:09):
he allowed to you, oh, all the stuff that goes
along with it. It'll just take away from me playing
a couple of rounds of golf and it'll get in
the way. And I know it was tongue in cheek joking,
but that's his way. Of coping with it will happen,
and then I'll be damned if a year later he's
not in the Hall of Fame. So it makes me
really happy for guys that I know that they may
not think it, but they all labor over it even
though they know they're Hall of famers. And he was

(02:18:30):
a good one. But I would imagine Dave Parker's family
went through the same thing after all that time, thinking
it's never going to happen, and then it happens, and
then we're not. He's not around a couple months later,
just to give the speech. It's a bummer, yeah, bummer,
but good on him and his family that they know.
Makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
Well, I mean, and for my money, the Pro Football
Hall of Fame does it the best, because you know,
I remember Sterling's video. It was Shannan that went to
his house and told him you're in. I remember Andrey Johnson,
yeah yeah, and then Andre Johnson and it was Chris
Carter that knocked on his door and you saw, of
course Andre who we thought was not capable of showing emotions,

(02:19:06):
and the emotions came out. But Dave Baker used to
be the guy that would in person go and knock
on a door, or even remember Jimmy Johnson when he
got in.

Speaker 1 (02:19:15):
It was during a Fox playoff game and he got
Troy to the studio.

Speaker 3 (02:19:19):
Yeah you got you got Troy Aikman in the booth
breaking down, you know, because they're letting Jimmy know, hey,
you're in Like that's I I always really enjoy those.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
Those are cool. The call for the.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
Baseball Hall of Fame, it's neat, very rarely do we
get in on that conversation. But the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, that's that's the one that I always loved.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
Warren Warren Moon was driving in his vehicle and when
they when he got the call. Hey, he tells a
great story about when he got to call. Listen Warren.
You'll never know what he's thinking with just by watching
him theacht because if he threw and he didn't do
it very often, but if he threw interceptions in a
game four picks, you'd never know. If he threw seven

(02:19:58):
touchdowns in five hundred yards the game, you would not
know by his demeanor. But that's the way he is
in life. You want to talk about a guy that
you're not going to know, isn't going to play the
cards if you're playing poker against if you'd have no
idea him because he just is his ability to stay
solid and just stay steady. That was always saying, a
great lesson I learned from him, he did. Emotions don't
control Warren's life, and if they do, it's in tiror

(02:20:21):
because he doesn't show it period. Well, even him when
he pulled but he got the call. You think he
kept driving or you think he pulled over to take
the call. No, speak he No, he pulled over. That's
why I'm talking. You talk about the emotions of guys crying,
You know that, you do. You look at and say,
I don't see much emotion out of the guy because
he's so poised, right, you just don't see it. Even
Warren talks about having to pull over because the emotion

(02:20:43):
kicks in, and I would imagine I would imagine for
some it's like, man, you start to hyper ventilate. I've
just got the highest award you can possibly have in
professional sports. And even though you know you're a Hall
of Famer, you don't know you're a Hall of favor.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 18 (02:20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:20:58):
Until you all do right, and the validation so that
kind of stuff will bring out emotion and a lot
of people and I it's just it's just a validation
of a even though some may not need it, It's
a validation and the respect of a career that's been
phenomenal for these guys. And Dave Parker's one of them.

Speaker 3 (02:21:15):
That's the confirmation. That's what it all comes down to.
Kenneth and Anthony c you guys right there. Also, do
you want to get into a little bit about the
Astros pitching before we talk with Dana Brown coming up
here in about fifteen minutes on a Western Wednesday on
The Sewn Salisbury Show Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
The Shawn Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 1 (02:21:36):
I need to know now, you know.

Speaker 17 (02:21:40):
Anthony, Good morning, Hey, good morning guys. Hey, So, first
of all, I have to agree with you all about
the fourth of July. I'm an Army vet man, so
I love this country and the fourth is always a
great time and we appreciate you man, Yes, sir, and
I'll wanted to get y'all thoughts. You know, we're talking

(02:22:03):
about the Astros need to go get a left handed bat.
If if things continue the way they are right now,
Boston may be a seller or at least be looking
to move some pieces, and wanted to get y'all's thoughts
on maybe going to get will You're a brad you?
He's uh, he's mashing the ball this year and he's

(02:22:25):
only making seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars. So y'all
were talking about value earlier with Victor Carantini. So just
wanted to hear y'all thoughts on maybe trying to go
get will you're a bray you?

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
What would a bray you in the area is pop There,
there's no doubt and uh, obviously I'd probably watch one
hundred and fifty Red Sox games a year. I'm curious,
what are you willing to give up?

Speaker 12 (02:22:47):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:22:47):
He dropped? Oh what a bummer? Okay, because I want
when they when they come up with these ideas, and
it's a great idea. I liked it. I mean, I
get it, but I want to know how we pull
it off. We all want to get that guy, whoever
that guy is. I saw some say what about duran
for your Well, first of all, the Ashleys aren't traded
as good as Durantan, but you're not trading one for one.

(02:23:09):
There'd be a lot. That's not going to happen with
your's not getting traded, right, Damn, that's not happening. So
people know. But with that I get, I get people
like their frustration and there our quick, you know, knee
jerk reaction. That's right or right? You got to you
got to take a deep breath and see your way
through that. You guy's been a great player here. Now
hopefully he's not injury prone and hopefully this won't be

(02:23:31):
the rest of his career. But I always want to
know what our callers call in because they have some
great thoughts. Is tell me why, I mean, or how
how we pull it off? What are you willing to
give up? And then then then we can start to
break down. Okay, is it? Is it worth it? And brave?
He's a good player, he is, He's really good. I think.
I hate to say this, but as a hitter who

(02:23:53):
can play first base some power the day, beloon may
scare you a little bit when you get you pulled
it off, They oh please you know that? Oh a
bray you you know what I'm saying like that, And
I'm obviously being hyperbolic and kidding, but yeah, good player.
But You've got to are the Red Sox willing to
part with players? Are they counting themselves out of this thing?

(02:24:14):
Are they still in it? I don't think they think
they're out of it. But you know, what are you
willing to part with? And it's all negotiable, but what
are you willing to give up to go get in
a bray you? And would the Red Sox be willing
to part with it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:24:26):
I just don't think you have that, either at the
major league level or the minor league level. Plus he's
pre arbitration, so the price has got to be incredibly
for a braid.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24:35):
So, I mean he's not even the arbitration yet. And
to your point about the Red Sox, they're two and
a half games out of a wild card.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
I mean I don't think they're you know, Al East. Yeah,
and the Al East is winnable, there's no question. Even
though it's good, it's winnable. And the Red Sox remember
going in who we all thought the Red Sox were
this year. They were one of the favorites to be
in the World Series. They had made offseason moves enhance
their pitching. Well, this is get Alex Bread. But then
the Devers stuff. So you're trying to see how that's

(02:25:02):
gonna work out. So we're going to find out if
the deverse part of it meant that they're willing to
move away from all this, or if the diverse part
of it was we think we're better. Let's get a
guy who's a bit of a headache in a clubhouse,
Let's get him out, Let's get some stuff for him,
and let's let's move forward. I don't know, because I
know him talking in my Boston buddies, a bray who's
popular there. They like him. We'll see if that parlays

(02:25:25):
into something at the trade deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:25:26):
Yeah, speaking of Jordan, injuries and trades, everything else of
the sort. We cover it every single week with Astros GM.
Dana Brown will do that right here. It is the
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Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
Welcome in road trip fifty one thirty four seven games
in front of first Place. I know it's been an
odd way to get there with all you've had to
deal with, which we'll get to injury wise, but I
guess proud is the way I described this. I know
there's a long way to go, but eighty plus games
in this team I don't want to overachieved. May not

(02:27:38):
be fair, but you've had some guys do things that
most people didn't expect and they're playing like they belong.
It's been a great watch and it must make you
feel pretty proud of the way they've been resilient through
all this.

Speaker 13 (02:27:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27:51):
Absolutely, you've heard me talk about the word grit.

Speaker 17 (02:27:55):
We have it here.

Speaker 4 (02:27:57):
These guys have been grinding, you know, through all the injuries,
and so, you know, to be fifty one and thirty
four in the first eighty five games, seventeen over the
seven run lead in the division, you know, the guys
are really grinding through it and working hard. And look
they're picking each other up.

Speaker 18 (02:28:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:28:17):
That's that's what teammates do, you know when you're you know,
so when your soldiers go down new you know, you
got to pick them up. And so they've done a
good job of picking each other up. And it's been
a lot of fun, you know, because we're winning baseball games,
and so the guys deserve a lot of credit, you know.
And we're working through this hard, you know, from the

(02:28:38):
coaching staff you know, to the front office you know,
to player development you know, and scouting. We're we're working
as an organization, and this is what organizations do, you know,
when they're you know, going through tough times. And so
you know, tough times of injuries have you know, forced
us to dig deep, and we're showing some grit yeah,

(02:29:00):
no doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
And Dana, these injuries suck and it's it's a bummer
for you that you have to play doctor. I get that,
but you know you understand the industry and the business.
So let me go to Jordan, which is the big
one in the room right now. You know, we're two
months in. Thought he was coming back, you know, a
couple of weeks ago, eighty percent healed, thought he was
ready to go. Let me start with the end and
we'll work our way back. Did you guys with the imaging?

(02:29:24):
Was he one hundred percent before he took live VP?
Was he cleared one hundred percent by the doctors?

Speaker 7 (02:29:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
I mean he felt good. I mean, if anybody was
at the ballpark on Saturday and they saw him hit
the ball all over the place. He was hitting rockets,
and so you know, we were very very optimistic, and
you know we were, you know, so optimistic that we
got him down the Florida on Sunday and so we
were going to start their lives. And then on Tuesday morning,

(02:29:53):
you know, he still felt some pain and the most
important thing right now is to just get him back healthy.
You know, that team it's playing well, and so you know,
it's it's been a little you know, tough to deal
with because we we meet this guy back in our lineup,
but you know, we picked him up really well, and
you know, let's kind of figure out now what the

(02:30:16):
specialist says that he's going to see uh today, but
you know, let's be hopeful.

Speaker 1 (02:30:23):
Hey, and no doubt about that. But Dana and you
said that he felt good. Jordan felt good and was
in hitting rockets like you said, and felt good. But
where was the percentage of through through the images and
what the doctor said, because you know, I think it
was last week or the week before you mentioned these
eighty eighty five percent. Where was he as far as
the healing and the structure part of this thing, percentage

(02:30:46):
wise of health not just how he felt. Doctors and
you guys say, okay, we're looking at these images. He's
good to go. How close to one hundred percent were you?

Speaker 4 (02:30:57):
Yeah, we felt really good, so excuse me, close, so
really close to one hundred percent. But the whole big
thing is the hand is a very complex, you know
part of the body. You know, Urine hits the ball
extremely hard, you know, swinging that bat uses a heavy

(02:31:17):
bat and so you know, these things sometimes could take time,
and you have to allow this guy, you know, to heal.
He felt good enough, He felt good enough to you know,
swing a bat. He felt his hand was healthy, and
a lot of this it's according to how he feels.
And he felt well, and so we gave him some

(02:31:41):
swings here in Houston, and you know, then we said, look,
we're going to send him out to Florida to get
some lives and then maybe a quick rehab and sugar
Land and then let's get him back to the big leagues.

Speaker 12 (02:31:54):
And and that was that was the goal.

Speaker 4 (02:31:56):
And so you know, that was sideline. You know, you
know when he when he started to feel the soretness again,
and so now he's going to see a specialist and
we need to get we need to get to the
end of this.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
Okay, Dana, with this when this happened originally and if
the swelling went down and you guys were rolling through
the early parts of this, we're talking about now he's
seeing a specialist with this setback and you're shutting him down.
Is this the first time he's seen a specialist, not
an orthopedic, but a specialist with this.

Speaker 4 (02:32:29):
No, he's seen he's seemed three specialists, So, uh, we've
we've had guys on this. You know, this is as
I mentioned, it's more of the complexity of the hand itself.

Speaker 7 (02:32:41):
And so.

Speaker 4 (02:32:43):
You know he's he's getting the best of care. You know,
it's it's like anything else. You've got to figure out
what this problem is. And I think, you know, we're
digging deep, you know, to get to the bottom line.
And I feel like, you know this, so say, I'm
actually looking forward to see you know what this is

(02:33:04):
going to this Diagnosi's going to be.

Speaker 1 (02:33:07):
Dan is this is this a setback that though the
structure wise one with the hand or is it more
a threshold of pain thing for jordan which was and
have you imaged him since he felt as like yesterday,
is there an image or is the specialist the next thing?
And was is it him that the pain bothered him?
Or did you is it was it visible to see
that something was a setback? Not just the pain.

Speaker 4 (02:33:30):
No, I think it was just the swordness in the hand.
And so that's really what calls the setback. I mean,
Jordanian is grinding through this, you know, every single day
he's trying to get through this, and so he felt
really good, and you know he was he was even
excited about it.

Speaker 11 (02:33:48):
You know, he was in a good mood.

Speaker 4 (02:33:49):
He was smiling, and you know, he was very happy,
you know, because he feels like he's missing out on
all the fun that's taking place here, you know, being
seventeen games up in first place, the guys are, you know,
playing well, and so he's missing out on a lot
of good fun and so he wants to get back.
And you know, so I think it was the soreness,

(02:34:13):
and we're in a combination of the soreness in us
not wanting to push him to the point that we're
going to jeopardize him for the rest of the season
because we know that we're gonna need it. Look, we're
we're playing well without him right now, but we know
when push comes to shove, we're gonna need Jordan Alvaretz.

Speaker 8 (02:34:31):
So, no doubt, whenever he has any whenever he has
any soreness, we're going to push back and we're just
going to make sure that this guy is really, you know,
completely healthy.

Speaker 4 (02:34:44):
And so, uh, he felt good enough to hit, and
so that's why we put the bat in his hands.

Speaker 1 (02:34:50):
So he felt good enough, and you guys, image wise
felt good enough that this wasn't any further risk as
well it had happened, but you felt good enough to say, really,
he can, he can hit ninety five. Let's throw him
out there against live VP. Both sides, from you guys
and him combination togethers it wasn't Jess. Jordan on both
sides felt this correct.

Speaker 4 (02:35:10):
That is correct. We felt good enough from you know,
our last imagy and from Jordon based on what he's
telling us. Look, I feel really good, and so we're like, okay,
let's let's ramp it up. Let's get going. And so
you know, we were not anticipating him to feel that

(02:35:31):
soreness on Tuesday morning to cause a setback. But as
you know, make no mistake, we're gonna allow him to
get completely healthy before we run, before we run him
out there, because you know, things are well now, but
we're gonna need him down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
Astros GM Dana Brown for his weekly visit here on
Sports Talk seven ninety and this Jordan thing with this
when you say shut him down, Dana, like what you've
done for me, it almost feels he is a big
and you know, I'm always trying to get to the
bottom and ask it. You've been always transparent with us
as well as you can be, knowing what you know.

(02:36:08):
But I do got to ask, is there any part
of you that's concerned like fans are that this is
that we've seen a movie that this is a season
inning injury. Any concern in your mind or and your
gut that we're that we're concerned about that.

Speaker 4 (02:36:25):
No, not at all, because of how he feels and
because of what we've seen on amaging. And so now
the next move is to see the specialists because part
of this is, like you know, he wants to make
sure that everything is fine as well. He really doesn't
want to feel any soreness, and so you know, sometimes

(02:36:46):
getting the you know, opinion of another doctor can get
you over that hump when you you know, maybe there's
something that you have to fight through or something like that.
But you know, ultimately he's dying back and you know,
to feel the soreness.

Speaker 1 (02:37:03):
We just want to make sure and if this is
an extended injury data whether it's it's been extended now
obviously a little different than you guys and all of
us expected, and probably him and working at it to
try and move forward to win you can get it.
Let's say it's extended in thirty games or whatever, it's
through the month of July early into August. How important
and how much more emphasis is going to be on

(02:37:26):
and plus not knowing now about his future this year
until you see this new specialist, how important will it
be and how much more aggressive will you be to
go get a power left handed bat at the trade deadline?

Speaker 4 (02:37:40):
Yeah, let's this is where I would say, I would
think that that's more of a hypothetical. Let me figure
out and let this organization figure out what this specialist
is going to say. It may not be that bad,
you know what you're describing, because I just don't feel
us that bad. I think we should.

Speaker 8 (02:37:58):
Allow him to see specialists and and then we may
get good news, you know, in forty eight hours.

Speaker 12 (02:38:05):
So right, is that?

Speaker 1 (02:38:06):
Is that the times Dana? When is he seeing those specialists?

Speaker 4 (02:38:10):
Yeah, it's been a specialist today. It's supposed to take place.
So we should get like some answer in the next
forty eight hours or so. And so you know, because
all of our doctors are going to view it, including
the specialist, and of course they'll all get together and
talk through it. But we're you know, before we get
into what we do or how will we pivot? I

(02:38:32):
would say, that's what this uh specialist give us his opinion,
Get that opinion from the specialist, and then we could.

Speaker 1 (02:38:40):
Pick it from there. Awesome data. Brown for a couple
more minutes here on Sports Talk seven ninety and hate
having him to play doctor. But that's you know that,
that's uh. You're great at everything, and it's a bummer.
You have to do this to pain you. We go bummer,
another bummer of an injury and something you guys have
to manage and grit your way through. How serious is it?
Tendai l? But are we looking these kind of things

(02:39:02):
are true too, dan Is you know the torque on
the hand, but also the torque in a ribcage? How
serious is this? And how long can we expect? Is
this two weeks? Is it a month at least on
the short side of it? What are we looking at?

Speaker 4 (02:39:15):
Yeah, just from talking to Pina, he's already starting to
feel better. It's a ten day il that will go
through the ten days he is with the club, and
as long as he starts to feel better over the
next few days, he may start some baseball activity with
hitting being the last one. And so he's already doing

(02:39:37):
some exercises and getting treatment and so I mean the
pinia one, we feel confident that, you know, he's going
to be fine. It's just gonna take you know, some
time and some rest, you know, for that little small
fracture to heal. And once he feels good enough that
he can go, you know, according to the doctor, there's

(02:39:59):
no chance to do any more damage. So once he
feels you know, good enough to go, we'll start to
let him take some swings. And so I feel out
very optimistic that this won't be too long.

Speaker 1 (02:40:09):
Hey, Dana, and about that injury and specific and I
kind of stated yesterday, and tell me if I'm wrong
that with those it's not a matter of going in
and you got to get all kinds of surgeries with
those kind of like a broken toe, it's just a
matter of you got to let it heal, right, whatever
you do with ice and all that. But this is
just a time, the threshold of pain type of injury,

(02:40:30):
how much he can take. And so it's really a
time and mother nature thing that kind of injury. Correct, Yeah,
just put it heel.

Speaker 4 (02:40:37):
As I mentioned, he's already starting to feel, you know,
good enough to twist his trunk a little bit, just
to you know, when you're just testing it. And so
that's that's all a good thing. And so I think
this is gonna heal pretty quickly and we should get
him back soon. And you know, once he can tolerate,
you know, whatever a steady's feeling, you know, we'll put

(02:41:02):
a bat in his hand and we'll get him. We'll
get him going. But this one, we feel good that,
you know, Pino won't be out too long, and that's
why he's on the trip and that's why he's getting
treatment and hopefully he'll start some type of baseball activity
here in the next few days.

Speaker 1 (02:41:17):
All right, we don't have time. Wish I had another hour.
We don't have time for any more injury talk, but
going out data on this one. How long can your
team continue to do this? You mentioned grit and resilience
for damn Dan, I mean you talk about the mash unit.
How long can these guys continue to play this kind
of baseball with guy, whether it's free agent, trade and injuries.
How long can you guys continue to do it this way?

Speaker 4 (02:41:40):
Yeah, as long as it takes, I mean, is a
well the oyal machine, you know, a well oiled machine.
We you know, as I mentioned earlier, throughout this year,
you know, our pitching's been outstanding.

Speaker 1 (02:41:53):
You know, those guys have been really carrying us.

Speaker 4 (02:41:57):
We've been really good defensively. We're starting some timely hits.
We have some guys that are heating up, you know,
and so you know, the position players are putting it together.
And I think we're just about on all cylinders. And
that's why, you know, we're on this run and we're
you know, we're weather in the storm of injuries. And

(02:42:17):
I really feel like this team is a good team
and we're geling right now, and that's a big part.
You know, once this team starts to really gel the
way it is, I mean, there's good things that are
gonna happen, and so, uh, you know, I don't think
there's any need for panic. The team is playing well.
We have some guys that are hurt, we're in the

(02:42:39):
grit and the grind, and the pitching has been really good.
So I would say faxing the seatbelts is gonna be
a good second half.

Speaker 1 (02:42:47):
So if you get the diagnosis in the next forty
eight hours, we will get that message as soon as
you guys know what the full diagnosis is on YOURDN correct.

Speaker 4 (02:42:56):
Yeah, we're gonna put something out, you know, as soon
as we know to let you know we got I know,
we have a lot of support and fans. I mean,
we're here in Denver right now, and I'm just telling
you right now, our fans support's been outstanding.

Speaker 1 (02:43:09):
I mean we mentioned that on the show earlier, how
good the fan base was in the Colorado Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:43:15):
Oh my goodness. I could see, you know, almost the
sea of orange out there, you know. And so it's
our fan base has been outstanding there showing up, you know,
their big time support. I mean that's been a big
part of our guys. And so look, we're we're locked
in right now, and I love the way we're playing,
you know, and I love that we're playing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:37):
Through these injuries.

Speaker 4 (02:43:38):
You know, it says a lot for a ball club.
And so you know, the guys, the guys are locked in.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
We're ready to go playing great baseball and injuries suck.
Those can both be true. Dana, Thanks my man, and
good luck on this road trip. Can't wait for these
next two and then the three and Dodger Stadium and
have a great fourth of July, and hopefully we'll get
good news on your on asap. We look forward to
talking to you next week.

Speaker 4 (02:44:00):
All right, I appreciate you having me on each week.
Go Astro fans. We're locked in there, you go.

Speaker 1 (02:44:06):
That's Dana Brown. We'll come back and finish up Captain
Long wish we had another hour with it. We'll discuss
and so will you. I guarantee it. Sports Talk seven
to ninety and.

Speaker 2 (02:44:15):
We're vo the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 3 (02:44:17):
Continued optimistic about him, still Sean, but still waiting to
hear from the specialists.

Speaker 1 (02:44:24):
And the same deal goes with Jeremy Pania, who is
with the team on the trip. That's exactly right, seems optimistic,
but I'm I'm gonna withhold because I know how those
things go, and that's in a very fragile place when
it comes to the way the guy's playing, you know,
the fragile place in that ribcage area. But he's still
with the team, so they're so I think that obviously

(02:44:45):
you're feeling you could tell Dana they felt strongly about
uh uh Pania. I'm not sure they feel as confident.
Matter of fact, you can tell that they don't feel
as confident with jord On, and I think they're trying
to make the glass out full. I'm not sure what
the man of it, but I can tell you this
just to lower your expectations about how soon he'll be back.

Speaker 3 (02:45:06):
Yeah, Unfortunately, it seems like that is the case. He's
Shawn Salisbury, Triple Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews here on a
Wednesday edition of The Sean Salisbury Show, The Matt Thomas Show,
with Ross coming up next right here.

Speaker 1 (02:45:19):
We will talk to you in twenty hours

Speaker 4 (02:45:29):
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