MLB Home Run Derby, MLB Draft Tracker, NFL Top 10 QBs, NFL Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews Joins 790

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Saulsbury. Hot, Okay, let'sdo this. Sewn Salisbury, there the
USC true longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury, Bryan Lima, go Lobos. This
is the Sean Salisbury Show with hisfourteen U team. Just tell him to

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stay in Hoover. Yeah, don'teven come back here. And it's a
wood bat thin you got to doubledown on it. Saw a lot of
wood bat home runs last night.Tasker Hernandez first dodger ever and he was
the last one in slow starting roundone ends up winning the home run derby,
first dodger. That's a that's acool mill last night. Shout out
to him, man, it's acool mill. In my NEXTUS. I

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wonder if he made one mill,how many times he made a mill in
a season? And they went ahome run Derby and make a mill last
night. We're joined today for thefirst couple hours. He was going to
join me for four but played theGrandpa card, the grandpa it's grandparents days
on. I think it's Tuesday andThursdays. He turned out he got that
Mike hit that mic right there,you go Tuesdays and Thursdays, it's on

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for you. It's good Tuesdays andThursdays. So I said, well,
can I get you for two hours? He says yeah. I said that's
why. I know. It's alot of work. He goes, yep,
but I'll be there. My guy, former teammate, longtime teammate,
and I guess it's been about fortyyear friendship. Bruce Matthews joins me in
studio Hall of Fame. What's up? Man? How you doing? I'm
doing the question? Is it?Is it really great to be here?

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I love it when I say,I know, it's a lot of worker.
You got grandpa duties today it's atyour regular it's not even duties.
You get to be with your grandkids. Yeah, you know. But I
even, well, man, canyou come and give me six to eight
instead of seven to ten? Andyou said, yeah, I could do
that. I said, I knowit's a lot of working. Yeah,
it's a lot of work. ButI'm here. So there you go.
What's happened? Man? Goodness?So how many grand kids you got?

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We have eight with two on theway, so now eight with two on
the way. Yeah, and notdone? I mean, I mean ten,
it's not gonna it's not stop itis it? Well, they don't
consult it MoMA might have up thatthey with their wives and stuff and husbands
and all that stuff. Yeah,Bruce Matthews, I don't know if he

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needs much introduction College All American withme at USC and I will have something
that nobody can I have something nobodycan ever ever take from me. And
we'll discuss that in this show.That is that. It's the only thing.
And he didn't miss many, buthe missed part of this one,
and I happen to be a partof it. So I'm grateful for it.

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Nineteen years in the NFL Hall ofFamer as well, and one franchise,
two team names, right, andwhich is a phenomenal. It doesn't
happen anymore, Bruce. So goodto have you today, brother. I
appreciate you coming in sharing it withme. Yeah, like I said,
coming here, been with you,good memories, good discussion. You're good

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at your craft. I enjoy listeningto you when I do listen. Thank
you. Well, you're you're upand six o'clock and less forced to be
here. I appreciate it. Man, and I h our friendships lasted a
long time and I was fortunate tosee some I mean well, I got
to see as a player with youand in the huddle with you, and
then covering you, and well playingwith you as a teammate at this level
in the NFL, and then coveringyou for all those years. And what's

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crazy, I've been covering the Matthewsor playing against or with the Matthews.
Think about this now since nineteen eightyone for me, and you were eighty
three first round draft pick in thatdraft, which is to be a pretty
decent quarterback draft. But there weresome other great players in that draft.
Yeah, they call it the quarterbackdraft. We had pretty good old line.
I'm gonna say you want to callit the old line draft for a

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couple like the always and Britos floatingaround right, And in all the years
of playing, you know, Ihad ten, you had nineteen, and
then covering you and your brother andnow with your son who I can't believe
is going Jake's going on as eleventhyear with the Atlanta Falcons and as you
say, got a yank that jerseyand have somebody tear that jersey off?
Does he have goals to out lastyear? And your your brother Clay,

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who also nineteen years was that intended? Did you guys talk about that and
you and Clay I know the answer, but the fans don't know. Did
you and Clay both nineteen years talkabout who was going to play longer?
Well, my brother Clay was alwaysthe standard bearer for me. He's five
years older. He went to SC. I wanted to go to s C.

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He made it to the NFL.I wanted to make it to the
NFL. And he played nineteen years. And I'm like, I don't know
about the number nineteen, there werethat many anything special, But I thought
it was pretty cool that we bothplayed the same amount of years. He
played the most games ever by alinebacker in the NFL. I've played the

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most games by an offensive lineman.And those records still hold true, correct,
Yeah? Yeah? And Clay finishedin Atlanta, And how many years
with even sixteen? Seventeen of them, sixteen with the Browns and three with
Atlanta. Yes, and you wereall nineteen with the Houston franchise which became
the Tennessee Titans, right prior tothree years of Tennessee oilers. Yeah,

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that's right. That that that littlethree that gets lost in there that we
didn't even we forget about, right, Yeah? And it's kind of I
need to start working with eBay becauseI do have some Tennessee Oiler merchandise,
T shirts, things of that nature. They maybe it might have some value.
You think, oh, well,there's there's so many like Memorabilion and

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I mean this effectually nut jobs outthere. Yeah, how many of them
in the love you Blue folks here? And it's the tweeener, right dude,
that you might want to tease itand hold on to it and make
them beat down your door for that. But yeah, those were dark years,
those Tennessee Oiler years. Right?Does it offend you that the Powder

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Blues And I mean, I guessfor you who played with both franchises,
what's the biggest bother other than leaving? What? What? What? What
do people talk to you most aboutabout that? Uh? Primarily, Well,
the biggest thing first was winning orgoing to the super Bowl. We
didn't win, but as the TennesseeTitans, I mean I loved it,

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was great experience, what a gameit was, and by inches as we
always talk about. But you know, nowadays it's about the history of the
team. You know, I loveNashville. I loved our time there.
Gosh, all my nephews have movedthere, and uh, but that isn't

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the Oilers. The Oilers history belongsdown here, I believe with the Texans,
and uh, you know, it'skind of weird seeing in fact,
it was last year when they theybroke out their Oilers throwback uniform. They
played the Falcons, right, soJake's on the one team and I'm looking
on the screen. I'm like,oh my gosh, look at those nice

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uniforms. And then it took aplay or two to realize, Oh,
you're pulling for the Falcons, notthe Oilers, right, So yeah,
what a just a what a historyof it? And I think most well,
I haven't met a person yet thatdoesn't feel the same way you do
about the Oilers and what went onnineteen years. Bruce Matthews joins me.
He'll be in here till eight o'clock. Then he gets to go do a

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more important gig and be with hisgrandkids and expecting two more. We will
discuss. We have a lot todiscuss today, and I'm curious, Bruce,
just for fun, and you don'thave to answer this, but I'm
gonna ask it anyway, because that'swhat a good journalist does. What was
your biggest salar I can find itout. And what was your biggest single
season salary? Base salary? Youremember was my last couple of years.

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It was like two point nine andI thought I was well, I was,
yeah, rolling in the dog comparedto what we had made. I
mean my first I was the ninthpick in the first round and wasn't hold
out Howie Howard Slusher. I don'tmean, here's the irony of that.
He got the nickname hold out Howiehow Howard Slusher, who also I believe

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was the agent for wasn't he theagent for Todd Bell? And remember when
they held out the season? WasSlusher their agent when they held out the
nineteen eighty five Bears team and thenDave Dorson took over. I'm gonna do
a little research because he might havebeen theirs. But it's ironic. You
never missed a game. We'll getto that duty injury. And yet you

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had one of those like the ScottBoris of tough guys, agent Howard Slusher.
Who was that guy when you cameout? Yeah, he was.
He made me into a person.I think that became I'm committed to the
cause. Right, and he madean argument and it was like, I

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can't believe I did it. Butat the same time, you know,
I sued the league back in eightyseven, and I'm never one of those
rocked the boat kind of guys.I didn't even know I had forgotten.
And now you go back because thatwas that plan B. That was that
striking right. I had forgotten that. You did see the league and nobody

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you always just look a guy showsup and plays three positions and long snaps
and garden tackle and center in nineteenyears in the league. Yeah, it
was November fourth of eighty seven.We had our court case. The judge
threw it out in a matter ofthirty minutes, and I thought it was
It made perfect sense to me becausemy contract had expired, the CBA collective

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barring an agreement had expired. SoI'm like, I'm not bound, I'm
free. You can do whatever youwant. Yes, but they didn't see
it that way. Two point nineyour biggest salary. Yeah, now,
I know, times change and we'lldiscuss we come back. You do know
that your kid probably has to venmoyou as opposed to you've been knowing him,

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right, no question, Gosh,I am. When he first signed,
he gave me his old iPhone,so I was like, man,
I got it made right. Butno, he has done very well.
He's been very blessed and he's blesseda lot of people with the finances that

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he's been in his abundance and sharedit with others. Absolutely special family.
We'll discuss and from Clay and Bruceand Jake and the whole group and what
Bruce is doing, and just goover some great stories of the career,
what he thinks about the league.And I know it's not bitterness because your
son's a party. The great thingabout you is you've sought early times,
which we I mean when it wasthat I think a lot of us think

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the Golden age. We do.I mean that's just how you whenever you
play. And then went through somestuff where we're like, okay, the
transformation of the league and then we'veseen all the change just informations and the
way we go and you know,no full back and bringing a full back
back and no full back, allthe different formations and now we're spread out
and you have a son who's beeninvolved in all of that as well.

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So the transformation for you It's like, well, your kid's reaping the benefits
of it, and you're sitting backsaying, wait a second, now,
what would Bruce Matthews and Clay whatwould you have been worth? A Hall
of Famer? All those Pro Bowls? Versatile, could play three positions and
long snap. Wonder what you'd beworth today? We'll discuss Talk Football Talk
Texans as well. Bruce Matthews inthe studio till eight o'clock today. Hall

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of Famer Bruce Matthews, What ifit was Clay up right now? Yeah,
No, he's not not ed.He's still your outside, still your
hero, and still I mean stillyou still the competitiveness, He's still the
guy. No question. Should hebe in the Hall of Fame. We'll
discuss that next. Wouldn't that besomething? Sports Talk seven ninety Bruce Matthews

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and Tell eighta clock Sean Salisbury Show. The Shawn Said Alisbury Show continues on
seven ninety and continues in your homeSay Alexa play Sports Talk seven ninety on
iHeartRadio. A great perspective on seeingdifferent eras and has seen them all,
and so what would you be worthtoday? As a nineteen years never missed

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a game? Due to injury.Did Clay miss any games dute injury?
He had a couple couple. Yeah, he tore his ankle up pretty good,
but among the family less than aseason of missed games right in thirty
eight seasons. It's funny. Mydad, who was very successful in the
corporate world and had a great businesscareer but played in the NFL, played

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five years for the forty nine ers, and he kind of half heartedly was
speaking to me about, hey,man, I've negotiated a lot of top
contracts. You got an interest inme doing your And I go, yeah,
sure, how much you make that? And he goes like, uh,

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twenty three five I go twenty threefive hundred dollars in the fifties.
That is an amazing salary, becausesalary, what are you talking about?
That's what I made in my entirecareer, and so, uh yeah it's
now it's twenty three point five million. Yeah, was the most exactly that
is? So did your did yourwas it e when you you were going

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through your stuff? Did you leanon your dad during some of them to
go just say dad, what doyou think about this? Did you ever
lean on him? Yeah? Definitely, talking with Howard slusher and stuff.
That was definitely a huge part ofsigning off on him was getting my dad's
approval of him. And uh yeah, I'd always I called him after every

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game, and you know, earlyin my career they didn't have the prime
ticket and that type of thing,right, But I think my the last
half or so, he was ableto watch the games. And that's really
one of the highlights of myself nowis I watch every one of Jake's games.

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I watch it in real time andtry and grade it because I know
he wants that feedback the way Igot the feedback from my dad. So
it's something I really enjoy. Andit's interesting too, Sean, because during
the games, I mean, Inotice at the end of the game this
stress level across my neck and shoulders, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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I'm not playing, but I feellike I yeah, And we're gonna
hit that about what drove you evenfifteen sixteen years into your career when you
should be secure. I'm going toget to that in these two hours.
Bruce Matthews, Hall of Famer andteammate of mine and great friend. It's
a heck, we're forty plus yearfriendship now, which is frightening, and
that means we're only forty eight yearsold. Though he started we were a

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youth, right. That's what I'lltry to tell everybody in studio. You
mentioned he'll be here till eight o'clockand it won't be the last time he
comes in, whether he knows ityet or not. You mentioned watching your
son Jake play, who's a hellof a football player, and I still,
like I told you, Precie,can't. I can't believe it's already
a decade in is you talk aboutgrading him now, you've also been a

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coach. You've coached offensive line,so there's the grading. When we're watching
as a player, as you asyou know, sometimes we can call it
watching the other team's guard because you'relike, I want to be like I'm
watching the core, you're watching thesecond here. It's like, well Marino
staring. I want to see thisguy doing. It's like Sean the game.
You're not playing Marino, you playthe other defense. He'll be prepared.
But when you're watching your son,first of all, I know,

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like anytime we hear it all thetime, it's got to be far worse
than it was when you played thestress levels that you mentioned. But when
you're grading him you take out athome if you're not in person, you
take out a pad and a paperand or do you do you'd grade while
you're watching, or go back andrewatch and double grade it. Or are
you a dad on Sundays and theSunday nights or Monday become coach? Which
one is it? Or is itboth? I have a pad of paper

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number the plays. I have myown little jargon that I write down the
lingo you use, yes, andso I can feedback to Jake after the
greater, harder, greater or easierbecause it's your kid, Which one is
it? I feel in a lotof different ways, I'm all of those.

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There are times, especially on thingswhere I think where we have talked
about that and he let it happen, and I'm come on, man,
you know we had that conversation,and do you compare it to you too?
I mean, I know it's hard. I mean not in an arrogant
way, but it's like I wouldhave done it this way a little bit,
but not so much because the biggestthing that I do realize and one

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of the greatest attributes of coaches thatI respect was they understood that, Hey,
guys, you're the guy out thereplaying and you're the one where this
freakishly athletic defensive end is trying torip the quarterbacks, especially his position,
exact nasty, and I know howhard it is. So I'm going to

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say a lot of things that inreality, you know, hey, I'd
love to be able to go outand do this, but it ain't happening.
So I'm I can understand enough thatI'm not going to say, hey,
you have to do this. Butat the same time, his expectation

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is he wants to be coach hard. He wants to see stuff that I
see that can help. He doesn't. He doesn't take it personal, which
is not the sign of a goodplayer. That he's probably harder on himself
than you could be anyway, exactlyright. And I feel sometimes that balance
a little bit where I'm like,man, I really got to call him
out out and be a little moreforceful with more coach than dad. Yes,

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right, is it? Have youguys ever had a post game run
in, I mean, when you'regreat him to the point where because you're
you're a faith based guy and allthese grand kids and you and your wife
been married for years and you raisedall these kids. Not saying that you
can't be anything else than that,but as I've known, you've always been

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that guy. Family's always been firstand making sure you're cognizant of self esteem
and all that for your all that. So I'm curious, have you ever
had you know, how we getin fights on the field. As we
watch Joey Brown or coming in fightof the US, we all disappeared because
nobody wanted to fight Joey. Haveyou ever gotten to the point where it's
like, like we do sometimes walkaway from the coach, we'll catch up

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later today. Have you ever gottento the point where it's been one of
those whatever you'd call heated or adifference of opinion that's led to we got
to back away from this film studynow with Jay Mikey his younger brother,
right who unfortunately his body he didn'thold up and he was a little undersized.
But the thing about Mikey was hehad that kind of a hole also

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he was nastier. Yeah the family, yes, okay, and Jake absolutely
hates Jake. Why can't you bemore like Mike? Oh he's so it
is the life serial commercial Mikey thisis his kid brother, yes, right,
so he didn't like going there,but he understands it. He saw

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and Mikey's younger right, yes,yeah, right, and they played really
cool story they played at Ane mtogether. I remember that Jake was two
years older, and Jake could havecome out his UH after his junior year
and been either the number one ornumber two pick in the draft. They
it was here they drafted Eric Fisher, first offensive tackle than Luke jokel and

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Uh. I remember having that whichwas vastly considered. It an underwhelming draft
that year, considering with your songoing back to school, right, yes,
And He's like that should I comeout, I could be the first
pick in the draft. And I'mlike, yeah, that would be awesome.
But at the same time, Igo, you will never have the

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experience of playing with your brother anotheryear. And he goes or I said
to him, you can do allthe Lloyd's of London to ensure yourself from
catastrophica and during stuff. And itwas really cool because Mikey was Jake's best
man at his wedding and starting toget choked up no to have at it.

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He shared how What an awesome thingfor his brother to come back to
play another year with his little brother. And Jake doesn't regret it at all.
He said it was one of thehighlights of his year, well,
his career. Yeah, the moneygets spent, all that stuff happens that
never gets spent. They remember thatas best man, and they may be

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competitive, want to tear each other'shead off the right tope, which is
a good thing. Yes, Iworry if they didn't. And then the
comparisons where it's like I could alreadypicture Mikey they're wrestling. He's a smaller
one and but the feisty one thatwants to, you know, tear your
heart out. Yeah, I couldalready visualize that. I haven't been there
in their wrestling matches at the lockin their front room, but I would
imagine that there's no bigger supporter ofJake than his brother Mikey. My correction,

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I wanted an honor to be ableto do that for them and for
you as a pops. How proudyou were sitting in college station watching them
play. Absolutely, we'll come backand discuss more. Bruce Matthews Hall of
Famer, great stories and if youhave a question. Come on in.
I know there's a lot of peoplehere that not only love love you,
Blue, but there's a ton ofpeople that would love to get in.
Uh and here from It's Bruce Day. I'd love to keep me here for

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four hours. And trust me,I'm going to hound him. I'm gonna
make up for a lot of lostyears of having to talk about him on
TV, which was easy to do, and now I'm gonna have you in
here, come talk about others,including his kids, and you don't ever
have to apologize for getting emotional aboutyour family. It's awesome to be able
to see your kid in I'm hopinghe gets to twenty years so he could
hold that over your head that hegot more years than you and Clay.
That'd be cool, you would,that'd be awesome, That'd be great.

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Are the astros after that horrendous startand here we are and we'll discuss that.
But when you got Hall of FamerBruce Matthews, former teammate, longtime
friend of mine in studio, wetalked football and talk great experiences in lifetime

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experiences, and I think some ofthe things you'll hear in the next hour
and a half he'll be here tilleight o'clock will kind of blow your mind,
like it as a longtime teammate andfriend. Even things you find out
that you didn't know when you wereplaying with the guy, or mind boggling.
You'll get a chance you want tocall in and ask Bruce a question
seven one three two one two fiveseven ninety We were talking about your kids

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and about uh. I don't knowhow many. And I've asked you during
the break with Clay, who isfive years older than you, and who
will get to I believe and I'vesaid this for years. Bruce's is in
front of you. I've said itfor years, and covering him how he's
not in the Hall of Fame withdurability and play is a bit criminals,
a little overboard because of the society. But in the foot world, I

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don't think there's many who don't thinkit. And I know that would be
a thrill for you, wouldn't it? Absolutely? Would you present? Do
you know this? Yes, hetalked to you about it. If he
gets in, would you be hispresenter? That is the last thing he
wants to talk about. And hisdaughter, Jennifer is his who I've known
who tweet her and I I mean, I know a lot of people do,

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but when Jennifer's on social media,we're constant, constantly talking about She
lets other people do it in ahumble way, but boom jumping about how
Clay belongs in the Hall of Fame. She's his biggest no doubt, And
my brother's kind of cringing like Jennifer, I appreciate the effort, but gosh,
so that just sounds like Clay right. But I mean, I agree

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one hundred I'm very biased though.He has always been my favorite player,
whether it was as a kid goingand watching his high school games or going
to all the SC games, orwatching the Browns on TV. And who
to funk the fact that you know, I was a huge Cleveland Browns fan,

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and then to have the opportunity toplay the Browns twice a year because
the old AFC Central, what atreat and you know, neither team we
had our moments, but by andlarge it was a rough go. And
but playing against your brother, andespecially playing up at the old Cleveland Stady

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were the worst visiting locker rooms inthe history. It's just the history and
tradition. Yeah, to the wholepoint in the field Green, it must
have been a trip playing against him. Yeah, I mean for years.
It probably took me the first fiveyears of my career to properly train myself

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how to prepare for the game becauseit was Brown's week and I'm like,
all right, this is awesome,and they'd be talking about my brother because
he was the it guy on theirdefense, and so I'd be watching tape
him the whole time. And grantedwe would cross paths not a whole lot
of times, but we did haveour battles. In fact, he beat

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me for a sack one time,and he actually after the game said he
felt bad, but I think hewas lying. But you had to give
a dec leader. You would havefelt that either, right. I never
really got that good of a shoton him, right, Yeah, but
an elusive guy with great hands.Yeah, he was awesome in space.
But anyway, preparing for the Brownsgame, for me, it was like,

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all right, I know I'm notgoing to get over the fact that
I'm watching my brother, but Igot to go back and take care of
my own business. Yeah, you'rerid of the emotion of it. Right,
he becomes a football player with thejersey, no cheap shot. But
the point is, and you geltthe trash talk and post. He didn't
seem like much of a track infun, but he seems so focused like
you that the job at hand washad to be more important. And then
the memories of playing against each other. But when you're out there, because

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this leads directly to and we're gonnaget that at the top of the seven
o'clock hour. This part leads directlyto you and him. What drove you,
guys both, and it's it's fascinatingwhich what drives people? Stuff that
I never knew about you. Soso with that in mind, and with
Clay in the Hall of Fame,Clay son, your son, you,

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Clay, your dad. Who's theNFL's first family, there's the you know
who? The next question is isit Archie Peyton Eli? And now with
with Cooper's son playing at at atat Texas, arch I'm curious do people

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ask you that often? Who?I mean, you start to think about
it. Now, Clay and hiskid are pretty good. Uh huh,
you and your son are pretty good. And I mean that obviously underwhelming when
I talk about it. But thefact that you have pro bowlers, you
have Hall of famers, you haveone that should be in the Hall of
Fame, you have years of Imean, come bine, all four of

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you years of play and your oldman five extra year five years. Who
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But is it because they're quarterbacks.They're going to get more credit out

(29:33):
aside from the fact that they're talented. Go ahead and rip on quarterbacks.
I've had it, brother, I'msitting here all here for it. We
were real players. You know,you actually had to practice getting hit.
Well, we didn't. But Ihave nothing but respect for the Manning family.
I mean one of the biggest treatsof my career was my rookie year.

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I held out Howard Slusher miss twelvedays of camp, came into camp
and our quarterback invited me out forbeer and pizza. It was Archie Manning,
the right at the end of Archie'scareer, I mean close right,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, Archie Manning is asking me and he
actually paid for my beer and pizza. And so I have great respect for

(30:18):
them. They're great players. Butuh, you know, we got down,
we got dirty, and uh,I think the Matthews family has a
pretty good case to say, we'rey. Yeah, and we may have to
separate the blue collar tough guy,the ones who did all the dirty work,
and then the guys who reap allthe benefits for it. There you
go, both impactful, not juston the field off the field makes for

(30:41):
a hell of a conversation at ashapeless plug of the book. Again,
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that's not and how he being atrenches guy, I think we'll make the
argument. I know his respect forthe manning, so probably make the r
for the big fellows up front.And I got no argument here considering I

(31:03):
know one of them that that hadmy ass and Leek Corso knows all about
that. To get to that too. I also with Bruce Matthews that day
in Buffalo, do you do youthink about it? Uh? The comeback?
Yeah it was in Buffalo, right, Yeah it was in buffal I

(31:26):
just want you to hold that thoughtworst day your career on a on a
game day, which I kind ofwant to get worst day of your career
or a regret or something that sticksout on the negative side. We get
all the positive we got to findout and what year was that? Again?
Because we were in the playoffs,I think because we came in I'll

(31:48):
never forget it before I go tobreak in Minnesota, we were in playoffs
two. We went out. Youguys played on a set that was a
Saturday game. We were playing thenext day, so we were going through
our walk through and you know howTV's are on the locker room. We
went out to the walk there itwas like, oh my gosh, my
buddies are moving on. We cameback in craziness. No, I hate
to bring it up, but I'mjust curious. I guess my thought is,

(32:10):
what was it like? Because Iknow that feeling of when you it
starts to go down. You knowthat feeling when momentum builds one way and
then when it goes the other way, that feeling of I've talked to Warren
about this obviously, but that feelingof the sideline, the constant conversation,
what was that like from beginning tothe end of the game. We'll discuss
it next Bruce Matthews here and atthe top of the hour and we'll take

(32:30):
your calls. Billy, we'll getto you. We'll get your question right
out before Bruce talks about that momentand that one day which whatever was it,
the Super Bowl Sunday, which wasthe toughest day of his career,
And at seven o'clock hour, we'lldiscuss you know, certain things drive people,
and you're going to hear Bruce Matthewsand I think you'll probably be as
shocked as I am, and thatthere's something that I never knew when I

(32:52):
played with him about I guess whatgoes on in somebody's head when they're playing
nineteen years in a league and hada day in the league nineteen years.
It's Sports Talk seven ninety. We'lltake your call seven one three, two
one two five seven ninety at CrazyComeback Dave. Bruce will talk about that
next Sean Salisbury Show, Why You'reback. This is the Sean Salisbury Show,

(33:14):
Get back at it. I don'tdevalue offensive line as matter of fact,
I hold him in the highest regardand as a friendship and a longtime
teammate, and uh having him instudios priceless for me, Bruce Matthews.
But when we get him in thefall, he doesn't know it yet,
but we will uh just talking Texansand NFL and line play and get his
uh, you know, unadulterated,unfiltered opinion about line play. It'll be

(33:37):
important and we'll talk Texans in thesecond hour. We got Bruce tell eight
o'clock. But Bruce, I Iuh, I keep this, Billy.
I'm going to get you in justa second. We want to talk about
that day in Buffalo. What thatfeeling was, Billy, welcome in.
You got a question. Billy's alongtime listener and chimes in off in Big
Sports Fan, you got a questionfor Bruce. Welcome in, brother,
How you doing? I do?And good morning? And it is an

(33:59):
on to speak to you, sir, It truly is. I just want
to say that Ernest Gibbons was interferedwith the Buffalo Bills a defensive back except
out of bounds before the interception,and that game still makes me sick to
my stomach. So I won't talkany more about it. But my question
to you is you got to blockfor Oliver Luck, for Archie Manning,

(34:22):
for Warren Moon, all these guys. Was there a quarterback that major job
easier? And was there a quarterbackthat major job harder? And I'll hang
up. Listen once again, it'san honor, and thank you for being
on the show. Appreciate it.Thanks Billy. It was me in college.
Go ahead, Ruce, have atit. Yeah, playing with those

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guys, they brought so much tothe table, whether it was all over
luck being like the smartest guy I'veever talked to in my life, or
the thing about Warren was he wasso well prepared, such a great professional.
You knew that come Sunday he wasgoing to be prepared in every way,

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always calm to right, Bruce,he seemed like he never saw him
sweat, I guess, is mypoint. Yeah, and then Steve McNair,
I was going to bring him upas one of those guys in that
group. Yeah, his toughness anduh, I hate the word, but
I got to use it. Gritis what stood out to me, because

(35:30):
you knew he was going to bein there battling. And there were many
many weeks during the season, evenearlier in his career, when I overlapped
with him where he didn't practice atall during the week, and you know,
I could get away with that,but as a quarterback, you need

(35:50):
the reps. And so those tworeally stand out to me as I remember
covering games when I was It's amazingI came into the after you played ten
years and you were still playing inthe league when I was talking on television
at ESPN. But I remember comingin and interviewing you, and we talked,
you know, like for college,I mean for a Sunday NFL countdown,

(36:10):
and we brought up Steve McNair.I don't know if you remember this.
I do vividly because I was afan. I thought he was one
of the toughest players I'd ever seenin my life and a great teammate.
And it got down that was thatyear Steve kept winning games two minutes,
you know, in the two minutedrill. And I remember you and I'll
paraphrase it talking about how when therewas two minutes left and you had the
ball and Steve was a quarterback,you knew the chances were you were going

(36:34):
to be in position to win becausehe was so physically and mentally tough.
Lot of what a tragic end islife, but what a great football player.
Yeah, no question. The lastdrive in the Super Bowl, although
although it didn't work out the waywe wanted, I mean, that was
the epitome of what he was allabout as a quarterback. Great teammate.
Absolutely, Yeah, Well you gotto get some good Archie longtimer. I

(36:59):
mean, yeah, I didn't geta lot of time with Archie. He
got traded right four games into myrookie year. But gosh, I remember
growing up in LA and the Ramswould play the Saints twice a year and
he was running for his life becausethe Saints were awful, exactly getting beat
up and still making plays. Butit was I remember him at old mess
and I'm like, oh my gosh, Archie Manning is my teammate. Yeah,

(37:22):
it's crazy, man, it's amazing. And warn n Steve McNair two,
pretty damn good ones, Billy,thanks for the question. I will
movet talk about that day in Buffalo. We'll talk about Bruce Matthews in his
career and what drove him, andwe'll take more of your calls. Our
number two was Bruce Matthews and thefirst family. Is it the Matthews or
is it the Mannings. I thinkI know how my teammate feels, and

(37:43):
I'm always gonna choose my teammate.But yeah, you can't go wrong put
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(40:06):
The USC Truth, longtime friend,Shawn Salisbury, Ryan Lima, go
Lobos. This is the Sewan SalisburyShow. This team got a chance?
Are they super Bowl talk yet?Are we premature? Well? The quarterback
makes you make them premature because thatcould stepped up huge last year. Now

(40:32):
the expectation and uh, you mean, because he's so good, we may
be a little premature because we expectso much stuff out of him is what
he did last year? Yeah,And like they always say that a stud
offensive player as a rookie, theirmost difficult year will be their second year

(40:52):
because every defensive coordinator in the leaguehas taken the entire offseason to see,
how are we going to game planthis kid? Yeah, right, and
his adjustments are going to He's gonnahave to adjust as fast as they do
because they're going to do it.But gosh, so impressed last year.

(41:12):
It's exciting. Do you believe that? I know how when we played at
SC. I guess maybe this ispart of it and how we were raised,
But at SC, it was physical, physical, physical. Right.
We're in a league that a lotof spread out and that the perception is
teams are finesse, right, Butwhere they come from Dmico and Bobby Slok
the coordinator, they want to bephysical. They want to run the football.
Now go and get Joe Mix andthey've decided to add to being more

(41:36):
physical. Can you win a championshipthese days? You got to have a
good quarterback. We know that there'sa lot of needs. But if you
got the quarterback, which we believewe do here, can you win a
Super Bowl and sustain seventeen games andthrough the playoffs if you're not physical.
I can't remember the last time ateam that. Look at last year,
we thought Kansas City has always hadthe perception with Mahomes as a finesse team,

(41:59):
But in truth, last year,Mahomes, yes, but their defense
carried them. They were physical,as so Chris Jones. They were really
physical, and I think their defensewas was the difference maker in the way
that the you know that Steve Spagnolacalled defense in the Super Bowl. So
I'm just curious, can you winSuper Bowls nowadays not being physical? I
don't think so. I mean,there are some uber talented teams over the

(42:21):
years maybe that you could make thatcase. Obviously Marino fell short, but
I think the Rams team that beatyou was pretty They were had so many
weapons right right, but they stillhad and they ran the ball. But
the thing I like about the Texansis the miko and I had the privilege

(42:44):
of that I coached here in Houstonwith Gary Kubiak, for two years,
and one of them was Demiko's lastyear in the league, I think before
he tore his achilles or something.And I was so impressed with that kid
as a player, and he wason the wrong side, on the opposite
side of the balls. He didn'tspent a ton of time with him,

(43:06):
right. And the way I likenhim too, is like Andre Johnson,
the Hall of Fame receiver. Andrerarely said anything. It's because his work
on the field was speaking so loudthat he didn't have to say anything.
And I think Tomiko is the sameway. Now. I know as a

(43:29):
head coach, obviously he's going tobe more verbal and stuff. But I
saw those two guys and I wasso impressed with Damiko Ryans and Andre Johnson.
I go, those are two badassguys that I would love to have
had as teammates. And another shamelessplug. I was on the coaching staff

(43:51):
of the five year old flag footballteam over in Siena and Tomiko's one of
his sons plays on another team,and I remember I saw him said hello
to him. I go, man, you guys got the bulls on your
back. Now, this was justafter this last season, yes, yeah,

(44:12):
and did he put probably big oldsmile and that's the way he wants
it though, right, yes,absolutely, that's exactly how you Bruce.
Could you tell even like you're coachingoffensive line and he's, you know,
playing on defense, and like atthe end of his career, was it
easy to see away from the footballhis execution as a football player. Was
it easy to see he had thetraits that we're seeing now as a head

(44:32):
coach. I didn't. I can'thonestly say that I saw that in the
time that I spent with him.But in hindsight, I am not surprised
at all that he's had the successthat he's had. As quickly as he
said, if I told you rightnow we are going to hire a head
coach, you and I were wewere only on the team, or you're

(44:53):
the GM ors, you could bethe owner, You're you're better players,
I'll be the GM okay. Andwe said, okay, okay, what
is the number one trait we haveto have with our head coach? Is
it x's and o's or is itleadership or is it something else? What
would you choose from your head coach? I say leadership and respect. So

(45:14):
buy in basically exactly. And I'vehad the privilege to have played for a
few of those guys. I mean, I think of John Robinson, our
coach. We had a sc Jackparty, for example. I respected the
heck out of now his It kindof worked in his against him a little

(45:39):
bit because I think Jack so expectedother people to approach the game the way
he did that it got lost intranslations exactly. And then I loved him.
What a good man. But Ithink that's a lot of the reason
why great players don't coach at times. Sometimes now some do is because they

(46:01):
can't live up to the expectations.You know what I'm saying. It's like,
how can you not want to bethe best? Right? And you
say that, and you're like,what do you mean a guy doesn't want
to be the best. There areguys out there who have the talent and
ability to be light years ahead ofwhere they are as players, but it's

(46:22):
not a priority to them. Butgetting back to coaches, you know,
Jeff Fisher, our teammate, thesame way, and then Mike Munchak,
the Hall of Famer, Oh,you think it's the best football player you've
ever been around? Exactly? Notnamed your brother exactly. Yeah, we'll

(46:42):
get to much. I want todiscuss him, Bruce Matthews, Hall of
Famer, teammate, friend, longtime here in studio. Well before we
do, because I'm not we're goingto get this answer about Buffalo. I
got to know what the feeling wasin a huddling on those sidelines that day.
But before we do, I knowa fan of yours as well,
Bill and Seabrook, and a greatlistener of the show has a question for

(47:05):
you. Bill, welcome in.How you doing You got a question for
Bruce. Absolutely, It's always greatto have two Southern cowboys on the air
when a Notre Dame fan is callingin morning. Uh, Bruce, when
you watch and this Sean, youcan answer the same question when you watch
football today, NFL or college football. Given the type and style of football

(47:29):
y'all played compared to the ways now, do you still enjoy the product that
you see on the field when youflip on a TV you go to a
game. Allowed, I'll turn itdown and listen to you. Thank you.
You have a great guy. Guysappreciate it. Go ahead, Bud.
Definitely. I think there's that elementthat football players of all generations bring

(47:55):
or at least the guys who standout because they are the guys that refuse
to get beat. They're the guysthat will do anything they can to have
success on the field. And youcan think that have to adjust to changing
times and whether it's formations are theway it coach exactly. And it's funny

(48:15):
because you can have guys past protectsixty reps a game and they're the most
physical guy on the field, andyou're like saying, how can that possibly
be? And then you watch teamswho run the ball a lot, and
these guys aren't physical at all.And so those competitive part of the game

(48:38):
I think kind of transcends all erasYeah and Bill. For me, I
can see the force of the treeson the fact that the appreciation I think
when it gets just right down tothe x's and I was an execution of
football players. Now, there arecertain parts of the game, you know,
the way we cut, you know, making guys play on Thursdays.

(48:58):
There are certain parts of the rulesof the game I don't like. I
don't like the overprotection of quarterbacks.That stuff I don't And as a quarterback,
most quarterbacks will tell you the samething that we do it too much
now, Yet every time a quarterbackgets hit his head snaps to the official
like are you gonna call it?Are you gonna call it? So your
milk it as much as you canwithin the rules. But I think in
Bruce, I think what you're alsosaying I agree is that watching players do

(49:19):
great things, regardless of the erais still is still a blast. The
x's and o's and the chess pieceof football which I like the most of
How's this guy attacking third and five? How's he gonna deal with the blitz?
How are they going to handle therun? How I and I?
Bruce, I'm sure you're the sameway I watch it different. I'd love
to just be a fan, butwhen I'm watching USC player, I can't
just be a fan. But whenI'm watching football, I'm like, why

(49:39):
why didn't he check out of that? As opposed to just being a fan
and your team's winning and going heywire, I'd love to be that way,
but it's so hard on me.But Bill, I do appreciate the
x's and o's of ex because tome, if you can't evolve in life
or in sports, you're gonna getleft behind. So I do appreciate the
athletes and the coaches and the chesspiece. I don't like some of the

(50:00):
rules that the periphery of some ofthe stuff bugs me. But just sheer
watching a great C. J.Stroud drop back on third and seven and
make a comeback throw, or aguy make a great block or a great
miss. You can't help but appreciatethe phenomenal. It's still competitive. Like
in basketball. You may not likethat they don't play defense, but when
they do finally decide to play defensive, lock you down late, it's pretty

(50:20):
fun to watch. So I getinto that. All right, man,
we got okay, we're gonna makethis the stake out. Okay, Bruce
is gonna come back and tell usabout that day that no Euler fan wants
to talk about. And I'm intothe psychological side of it of what then,
I've never asked Bruce this question.What was it like on the sidelines
in the huddle as that momentum startedrolling the wrong way to a backup quarterback,

(50:45):
which I'm always fascinated with. Myguy Frank Reich went out there,
had one of the days of hislife. But how that felt. We'll
also talk to Bruce this hour abouthis what drove him? How do you
last nineteen years in the league andnot miss a game? Good injury,
you'd be surprised. Up next,we'll talk that Buffalo Bill's Houston Oiler's day
and we'll take your calls. Roger, you're up next, Right, we

(51:06):
come back for the steakout Sports Talkseven ninety. We want to wait.
Jean Salisbury continues on seven ninety.All right, Sean, what are you
hearing out there now? The Salsbury'stakeout salsburyf takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.

(51:45):
It is a steakout with the Steakouts. Bruce Matthews and long time nineteen
years, didn't miss a game dueto injury. Got a fun Lee Corso
story we'll get before he leaves today. He'd stay here for all four hours,
but we've got grandpa duties today,which is a great thing, being
able to be with eight grandkids andtwo more on the way. Yeah,
there you go, nineteen years ofMatthews family, first family of the National

(52:06):
football or you're just football period.Amazon there, Yeah, yeah, you
can get that book by Bruce onAmazon dot com. Still there and every
every copy counts, trust me.My wife didn't buy all of them.
There you go. And Bruce isin the studio today till eight o'clock,
and it's great to have him insharing fun stories. And we got a

(52:28):
couple more to get to in thisnext forty five minutes we got with him.
But Roger, I know you havesomething for Bruce. And Roger's a
big listener of the show too.And you get a chance to talk to
Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, oneof my dearest friends and longtime teammate,
Roger, have at it, brother, what's up? Good morning, gentlemen.
A pleasure to talk to you,mister Matthews. Been a long time.
So I'm looking at the dictionary,dictionary and then the term longevities worst

(52:52):
longevity come up. It's two names, man, It's it's you, and
it's you and Count Ripken, andI will put you first for this football
so, man, we're just anhonor to even share a phone call with
you. Bro. Uh uh.So I just had a question about the
you know, the uh the Adamsfamily. Uh. I just wanted to

(53:15):
ask, is if are they bitterin person as they are seem like out
in the public or in regards tothe Houston uh, the Houston Orders franchise,
and uh, I just think thatit's a shame that we can't carry
that back to over here and uhwhere it's rightly for supposed to be.
And it's just pleasure to to talkto you, man. Uh you're you're,

(53:39):
you're, you're right there on theiconic mountain of uh just supports legends
around here. Just we haven't heardthat. Well, I'm pretty sure you've
heard that. I just want togo ahead and say it again because you
guys, you ray Ah munch All, all that, all that whole is

(54:01):
uh, Jefferies Hope, but RichardJmitz and all of you guys just remember
the the way up laid y'all leftit on the field every second and you
guys were just yeah, yeah,yeah, the House of Pain for a
reason, man, you guys iconic. Man. I just well, thank

(54:22):
you, appreciate it. Thank you. With any thoughts on the Adams family,
Yeah, and we're not talking aboutthe movie. I mean, I
had kind of a unique relationship withmister Adams, but I went in a
couple of times and tried to reworkmy contract to no avail. I was

(54:45):
I said that was a chore,yes, among all the trinkets in the
in the office. Yeah, buthe was an interesting man and I always
felt like, hey, what's theworst thing he can do? He could
cut me, I guess, butI wasn't worried about it. So I
kind of spoke my mind with him. I showed him respect and he respected

(55:09):
me. And I'll never forget whenI was coaching with the Titans on Mike
Munchak's staff, mister Adams came intothe locker room after we won to beat
the Steelers on Monday Night Football,and uh, I turned to mister,
Hey, mister Adams new contracts rightfor the staff, right, and all

(55:31):
the games came joking and having funin the celebration. Right. Yeah.
The guys were like, oh mygosh, how could you say that to
him? Miss me and miss mydog. But uh, Now, I
from what I understand, I don'tknow Amy Adams at well, but I've
heard she has done a lot ofgreat things in terms of bringing players back

(55:54):
when they do the Oilers reunion.But even that, you know, having
a reunion in Nashville, it's justthat's not a real reunion. Yes,
it doesn't seem right, right,But I'm thankful for the effort that she
tries, and you know, itwas a good time. There were a

(56:17):
lot of things that could have beendone better, but I really I'm over
all my bitterness to mister Adams keepingmoney from it. Yeah, Bruce Matthews,
Hall of favorite joins this year tobe here. Tell eight o'clock that
it's great to have him in.A long time friend and teammate forty plus
years for him and I have notteammates, but we are teammates a good

(56:38):
long time in an sc which wasgreat memories. I think both of us
put John Robinson, our head coach, at the top of the list of
guys and big reason why we wentto school there. Now, I'm in
to play against the best, allright, Bruce, take me to that
early nineteen ninety two game. I'mmore on the psychological side. I don't
want to re have to relive whatpeople don't want to relive, but unfortunately
we do. And they've seen ita few times before. And was it

(57:00):
the catching Mike renfro and the endzone in another season? Right? Is
bigly? What was the feeling likeon the sideline in the huddle when it
started to shift in that moment inwhich you hope if you're Buffalo, I
know what that feeling was like.What was it like and what was said?
How did it feel going through that? My takeaways from that game are

(57:22):
a and this is the biggest one. They show that game NonStop, come
playoff time. Yep, and everyyear I think we're gonna win it still
still to the stake. Same withthe Super Bowl, right, B Is
that Big Mo is real in game? Big Mo? Right? Yes?

(57:43):
Yeah. Momentum swung heavily in theirfavor. But it was interesting because we
had beaten them either a week ortwo before them and pretty much throttled him,
and you know, Thurman Thomas wasout, Kelly was out, and

(58:04):
the first half that we played itwas like we've had some good halves as
but yes, and then the openingseries of the second half, we kick
off, Bubba McDowell picks off apass for pick six. So it is
uh, what was that thirty whatever? It was? Yeah, two,

(58:30):
and it was like, okay,we just got to take care of business,
hold the ball. Yes, Sothey score, they kick an onside,
they score again. I think wego out and they we throw a
pick or something, and it waslike, I'll never forget David Williams,

(58:50):
David Babygate Williams. I looked athim on the bench and it was like
one of those looks like is thisreally what we're going through right now?
But it it was like, Okay, it's got to stop at some point.
Yeah, it can't continue like this, Frank RAI can't stay this hot.
They can't make every play, Yeah, and unfortunately they did. But

(59:15):
the craziest part of it was theyscored to go ahead by three. We
get the ball back and we havethis amazing drive to go and kick a
field goal to tie the game andsend it to overtime. So I think
I was one of the captains atthe time. We go out for the
flip. I never call it,and we win the flip, and I'm

(59:39):
thinking, Okay, we've weathered thestorm. We get a couple first downs,
as I recall, and then wethrew the pick and it was over
right, And it was just like, did that just happen? Worst day
of your career? Or was theSuper Bowl loss? You do you remember
a worst day? Or maybe itwas just some random game. Is there

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a time where you like the regretand maybe mix in what your biggest regret
of your career is. My hardestday ever was we played the Cowboys in
the Dome in eighty four and theygot twelve sacks on us. Oh and
film the next day wasn't fun.You were embarrassing for you, right we

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We couldn't protect the A gap.Guys are running through the A gap unblocked.
Too tall is bringing it on theedge. I was playing right tackle
at the time, and I rememberdoubting myself as a player. It's like,
I suck. They're gonna find out. And you know, didn't sleep
that night. So that way doyou think super Bowl ad that? Because

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offensive line, that pride of protectingyour guy right right, twelve sacks is
on It is usually unheard, itit is and with a get with And
that group you guys had was prettyfriggin good. We were we were young,
but it's talented, yes, Andthen I imagine when you well,
you didn't go to bed because Iknow, staring at the ceiling, I
know you and if I have anidea, miserable right to walk in that

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film room the next day had tobe a horrible, horrible to watch.
That had to be even more miserablebecause it's never as good as you think,
and to me it's always it alwaysfeels even when you play good,
you're like nitpicking at your stuff exactly. So that had to be a tough
day play, right, That eatsat you. It's like, man,
I had a great game except forthat one play. Your biggest regret as
an NFL player not being an MVP. Probably No, I really don't have

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any regrets none. I bummers whenyou lose, but regrets in your own
life. You're prepared hard, nothing, There's nothing you said that you could
have done different. It was Imean, had someone told me when I
was a kid that I would aplay in the NFL and b play nineteen
years and you know, be regardedas a really good player, one of

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the best of all time. Inever would have thought that was possible.
And it was such a blessing andlike, man, I can't believe this.
And then you get to play nextto your best friend Munch for all
those years, who's one of thebest of all time, and obviously Hall
of Fame presented that whole thing.So with that, you go back that
twelve SAC game. We come back, We'll get Andy got a comment for

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you when we come back, andalso we're going to discuss over You said
it was a second year in theleague in nineteen eighty four for you and
the Cowboys too tall, was prettygood at six' nine, dominating,
and you said you sucked. Yousay, am I good enough to play
in this league? Well, nineteenyears later and in your nineteenth year did

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that question still exist? We willdiscuss Bruce Matthews and his career and what
drove him next Sports Talk seven ninetyI had were there, but the Sean
Salisbury Show continued. Good to haveyou two for four hours. I'll just
turn the mic. I'll turn mymike to let you two go at it
and we'll have a blast. Butwith you and him and Dean Steinkler are

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some pretty good offensive lines. Andpeople here in Houston all about that.
It's very rare as somebody spends nineteenyears nowadays, it's unheard of, but
rare that somebody spends nineteen years,doesn't miss a game due to injury,
and spends it with what's supposed tobe the same franchise all nineteen years.
Incredible. Bruce Matthews in the studiofor another thirty minutes. Andy, let's
get to you and then we're goingto talk to Bruce about what drove him.

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Was it success or fear? Interestingstuff? Andy, you got something
for Bruce Matthews. Welcome in,brother. So just for the audience,
I want them to understand who BruceMatthews is. He's not the best tackle,
the best guard, or the bestcenter to ever play, but he's

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the best off this alignment to everplay the game. Because this man was
all pro if I'm not mistaken,in the NFL from an Alama, and
one of the best long snappers onthe planet too, so he could do
that. Yeah, I forgot aboutthat, but y I tell you it

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was a privileged watch you play,and I watched all nineteen years. I'm
gonna native youw Stonian. I'm anold guy now. It was a privilege
to watch you play. And Igot one question, how did you play
all the times? Could you easilyset out and not played because because of

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an injury or or being nicked?Well? Any great stuff? Thank you
go ahead, brother, Yeah,thank you for the kind words. The
biggest thing I would say is,for the most part, I usually felt
really good in terms of physical andhealth and stuff, even at practice.

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Hated missing practice, even training camppractices, even though I will say at
the end of my career, Ididn't start taking some off. Got to
the point where Bruce's and sweats today. I like it. You deserved it,
you earned it. It's a lotof football, but God blessed myself
and my brother Clay with bodies thatthe only way I can describe it is

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they could take the pounding and justbounce back. And like I said,
I felt good for the most part. And then when I didn't like I
got rolled up a couple times atCincinnati and at Pittsburgh one time, and
I was a little concerned about thenext week, but I was like,

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I'm not gonna miss this game ifI can possibly help it. And sure
enough, Friday would roll around andI would. My intention was I'm gonna
play regardless, but I don't wantto hurt the team. And if I
felt like I would hurt the team, then I wasn't gonna put myself before

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the team. So uh but Fridayrolls around and I feel pretty good,
and I'm like, I'm going forit. Was there a game you should
have missed? Dodo injury that youjust you fooled the staff to that.
I mean, not dud, youwere gonna hurt the team. But I
know you, dude, a eightypercent, you felt you were better than
a guy one hundred percent. Sowas there a game at seventy five percent?
You played and could have taken itoff and probably should have, but
didn't just because of mental toughness.We played at Seattle in ninety seven after

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we played the Steelers up at threeRiver and these are the old nasty AstroTurf
in fields in the Kingdom, threeRivers River Front all those days. Seconds
right, yeah, they smelled bed. But anyway, Uh, Jeff Fisher
calls me in his office and here'sa guy who I was teammates with a

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USC he's my head coach for twoyears. And he goes He said,
Bruce, I know you want toplay, but it isn't and we don't
need you for this game. Wewant you for down the stretch. I'm
like, Jeff, if I feellike I can't do what I'm supposed to
do, then I won't play.And I kind of probably was lying.

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Right, of course I'm gonna I'mgonna play, but it mattered to you
to miss. I mean it's abadge honor too, because it shows that
your care for your teammates and weren'twilling to take time off. Yeah,
my dad, we had very basicrules in my family. It was like,
if you're gonna play, you're notgonna quit, okay, if you're

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If you're gonna play, you're gonnago full speed. And if I see
you jacking around on the field,I personally will come down on the field
and snatch you by the back ofyour neck out of the game. And
I feared my dad more than anycoach I've ever had. But I respected
the crowd out of the too.So I definitely felt that there was a

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duty and a responsibility to the oilersand my teammates, and I didn't want
somebody getting comfortable in my spot whileI wasn't in there. I was scared
to death, you know that,So which leads me. And by the
way, Andy, when you combinecenter guard, tackle very few people and

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you hit it. When you combinethose three could play at a top level
in a Pro Bowl caliber level atall three of those for nineteen years.
Yeah, you can make the argumentthat we've never had a more versatile dominant
player all three combined in the league. And I can make that argument and
we'll get to a funally Courso storyat the last segment. But in those
next couple minutes you mentioned fear.You didn't want somebody in your spot,

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getting too comfortable, all those things. And I never knew this when we
played, because you just seemed likea guy. You just went out and
did your job. But you reallywere scared to death about getting cut from
day one all the way till yearnineteen. Why I and fear drove you
and you said Clay was the sameway correct. We would have that conversation.

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It wasn't the good plays, butit was the fear of getting beat,
that I was going to give upa sack or miss my block and
the guy tackles him for a lossor whatever. And the fact that me
not being in there played into thatas well. It was like, I

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don't want them to find somebody whocan replace me. But yeah, I
was more fearful of having a badplay than I was of having a great
block or something. And I'll neverforget I never gave it a second thought,
but there was always this anxiety andthis tension within myself that when I

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walked into the facility that it's like, all right, it's on. You
got to do everything you can tomaintain this. And then yeah, I
shared that story with you. I'llnever forget my nineteenth year. I'm going
out for practice and training. Canyou or you should be on company?
I mean, you're at the stageeven if you're done, you're done.

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I mean, yeah, nineteen yearsinto the league. Most guys have been
on their couch for about twelve ofthem already. But I, uh,
yeah, I'd made thirteen straight ProBowls and all that type stuff. And
I don't know if someone asked meor what. First off, they go,
why do you drink coffee before practice? I go, I drink coffee

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if I'm watching film in the filmroom, I drink coffee. If I'm
working out in the weight room.I drink coffee before games. Because they're
all like, don't you take likea protein shaker? Right? I go,
nah, I'm double cheeseburger coffee.Yeah. But and somehow it came
up and I go, I'm justscared to death. They're going to find

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out I suck and they're gonna kickme to the curb. And this is
not hyperbole. This is the wayyou felt. Yes, and you're in
the middle of it, even likein year twelve when you're in your prime
playing great football every single day.Like, if a coach said, Bruce,
come see me in the office,would you have been scared to death
if he didn't know why? Noquestion, So you went to practice it
when we were at sc which Ididn't see as an all America. I

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didn't see it at all. Anxietyfilled every single day of your career.
Yeah, because you were afraid thatone play was going to get you cut.
Yes, and that drove you andClay operated the same way. We
had the same conversation and we expressedthe same concern. It was like,
you know, I burned so muchenergy and it's kind of unnecessary. But

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it's the fear angle, the anxietyangle that man, they're going to find
out today. Say when I heardthat first, when you first told me
that the couple months ago, I'mlike, after all these years, I'm
like, well, damn if hecan have anxiety, the rest of us
get Yeah, nineteen years in thirteenstraight. Probol isn't afraid to death.

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More people either should not feel thatway or should feel it. I'm not
sure which way it is, butgood gracious, and I guarantee people are
driving right now saying I feel hispain because but you know, certain fear
of failure, fear of success.It goes both ways. But your fear
to make one bad play thinking acoach was calling you and you were done
right had to be tough carrying aroundthat burden brother for nineteen years. I

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guess what I was going to say, too many blows to the head about
nineteen years about the fear of comingin field every day. Oh, I
know that I would. I hadthis picture, this scenario in my mind
that I would see teammates and I'mlike, look at him, it doesn't
even bother him that he gave upa sack on that play. And I'm

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like, I wish I could belike him. And yet he's trying to
make the team and hang on theteam, and you're thirteen straight years in
appropriate, headed to the Hall ofFame. And I would honestly say,
I think he was feeling the anxiety. Oh yeah, but I thought,
just like the hot chicken high school, Oh my gosh, she must have
so many dates. No, she'ssitting home every night because the guys are

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too scared to ask her. Right, Right, So you did know after
nineteen years years going to the Hallof Fame? Right? Did you not
know? Nineteen years into your careerwere you still wondering if you were a
Hall of Famer? I thought therewas a chance that you would make it,
or wouldn't that I would make it? Just a chance? Huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas hard for me. I don't know

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if it's false humility or pride orwhatever, but yeah, I contended with
that my entire my whole life,never missed a game due to injury and
played nineteen years. It worked foryou, brother, Wow, and we're
at a still kicking, and yougot a son who's doing the same thing.
And uh, you know, weall want more success for our kids

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than we do for us. Sohopefully he'll get twenty years to hold that
over you. Alay forever be happy. That's exactly right. Uh. We'll
finish up with Bruce Matthews Neck.I'd love to keep him here for four
hours, but he's got grandpa dutiestoday the Great Lee Corso College Game Day.
Me and Bruce are teammates, andI hold the distinction of I don't

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think he's ever been kicked out ofa game in the NFL, and he
never missed one due to injury.But a usc that red ass showed.
We'll discuss that next and the kindof a tribute to the great Lee Corso
as well, we can tie thatin. It's Sports Talk seven ninety.
Wrap it up with Bruce Matthews aswe get halfway through the show. Next
on Sports Talk seven ninety, thisis the Sean Salisbury Show. sALS beutiful

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and and played them all at scLee Corso people, we see Lee as
you know the legend on college gameDay, which he's been finaw he is
college game Day along with our guyKirk kurb Street. But a long time
ago, Lee Corso was a coachand we were at the coliseum and I'll
just set it up and you runfrom there, and uh, you know,

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you played nasty on the field,but we're always composed and we were
well coached in John Robinson. ButLee Corso's the coach of Indiana. Do
you remember that day we played thembecause we had back to backers the year
before Marcus and ran forty times forlike two hundred nineteen yards in Bloomington.
So Corso's on the sidelines and we'replaying them at the coliseum, and this

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is the only time you've missed actionin a game because of it. Correct,
So tell me what happened because Iremember it well. All right,
I'll go back even further talking aboutmy boys and how I crossed paths with
Lee Corso. But anyway, Iremember we were going towards the Paris style

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land where you come out of thetunnel and you scrambled around to the left
sideline me in the days when Icouldn't run. Yes, yes, okay,
you were high step and with yoursweet toe. But anyway, their
safety slacks you. I mean,he made a great hit. And back

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in the day, this was eightytwo, my senior year, and they
still had the running track for theLA College between the sidelines and the stands.
Yes, right, and but thiskid stands over you, and it's
just I don't know what he said, Hey you mother, after ye after
hitting me a little bit, laidout of bounds, yes, right,

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and he crushed me. My headhit the ground first, Yes he did.
He ain't liad, But I hadhustled over and I see this and
I'm just seeing rattle all of asudden, and I go and I drill
this kid and you go from orhe goes from the sideline to onto the

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track taunting, and you knocked him. He had to be about a six
foot eight foot fly. But anyway, Uh, the ref got up in
my face and he goes sixty six. That was my number. At asked,
see, you're out of the game, and I'm just losing it.
And so this is on the Indianasideline sideline and Coach Corso is the coach

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of the Indiana team, and I'mrunning through their bench and I'm just like,
I'm almost in tears. I'm soemotional, and uh, Coach Corso
gets in my face, Hey,sixty six, You're too good of a
player to do that. And allI did, all I remember was going,
f you want a big cusser onthe field, right, And so

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right in his face, I'm seeingred. I'm running back to the sideline.
I'm kicked out of the game.I'm embarrassed, and I tell Lee
Corso to off. And so fastforward about twenty twenty five years. We're
watching college game day. We're hugefans. Coach Courso's doing his thing I'm

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not thinking giving a second thought toit. Now. This is my second
wave of boys were coming through Jakeand Mike, right, So they were
we'd always watch on Saturday morning collegegame day and watch get in our requisite
ten to twelve hours of football.Oh yeah, hell yeah. But I'm

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sitting there and I'm like, ohmy gosh, I have never told my
kids this story. And I turnto him and I go, guys,
here, let's pause the TV fora second because Courso's making his picks or
something, right, And I go, this wasn't your dad's fine est morning
moment. And I go on toexplain that I had told him to f

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off, and they thought it wasthe greatest Oh yeah story because he's the
most popular guy on DV. Popsis cussing him out as a coach.
Yeah, And I was. Iwas so scared to tell them about that,
but it became like my uh redbadge of DS's legendary. Yeah,
and see you said it was yourfinest moment as your quarterback, you coming

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to my rescue and not missing agame in the NFL for nineteen years of
getting kicked out of a game yoursenior year before you're gonna be a first
round pick. I think it wasyour finest moment because I said, he's
got my back no matter what.And while that guy unloaded on me and
hit me hard, and I wasfortunate I didn't get hurt. Able to
pop up my finest moment that game. Although we kicked their asses, we
did every time we played them.Was watching that kid fly and realized that

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you got kicked out protecting me.So to me, you've had nineteen years
of five moments. That was aHall of Fame moment for me, and
I'm forever grateful, and your kidsprobably loved that. Yeah, my dad
cussed Corso out on the sideline,that's right. And we got the best
of them twice, and that wasa phenomenal moment, dude. I remember
it as vivid as I as ithappened yesterday, as vivid ha happened yesterday.

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It was I could hear Bruce Matthewscuss it was a good thing.
It didn't happen very often. Itwas ironic too, that later a scout
came up to me and said,hey man, you made yourself a lot
of money in the Indiana game.And I'm saying, what do you mean
I got kicked out on that's anembarrassment or a black cloud, right,

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yeah, black cloud on my career. Nah, standing up for your quarterback,
I'm like, really so so soany signing bonus I can get from
the kind of gets something. Iwas the quarterback. I used to it
up for anything today what I usedto be. That's right? And you
know what, because you know howthis is and you coached him. Those
coaches love nasty. Oh yeah,and that was the sign of nasty.

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I mean, you had it,but they got to see it for god
in the world to see real quick. Did you pop say anything? What
do you say after the game?Do you remember? He go? It
was something to the effect you aren'tvery tired, are you, because it
was one of the It's like Ithink it's a middle of second quarter.
Yeah, yeah, I'm right,thanks dad. Yeah, I can't even

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look at him in the eye.Sorry, Thank goodness. We whooped him
and it didn't make a difference.But yeah, and it leads to your
anxiety. Somebody's playing in place tobe right. Yeah, unbelievable. How
that that The chain keeps rolling,Bruce, phenomenal stuff, brother, I
love you man, It's great.To have you in and you're doing some
phenomenal stuff. Come back in becausei'd like to. I know, we
get into the stories. You're justsome really good stuff to make a difference

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as well. Can you come inin another month or so or during training
camp and let's share some stories youmight on a day when you don't have
grandpa duties. I'd love to keepyou in for four hours. My co
host would love to have you inhere and we'd love to share stories.
Plus, I want you to sharewhat you're doing that also shaped your life,
that you that in your personal side. Yeah, and we'll get into
that and make that a big partof the show. Appreciation, Brother,

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I love you. That's Bruce Matthews. We'll come back eight o'clock hour next
A great thanks to Bruce Matthews's gotquestions about while he's gone. Now we
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Salisbury, Houston. Okay, let'sdo this, Sewn Salisbury, there
to usc troupe. Longtime friend shownSalisbury, Ryan l Lima, go low.
This is the Sean Salsbury Show.And he didn't know this, and
I shared this story with him,but I'll never forget. In a time

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of transfer portals. And by theway, just a little update, obviously,
the Astros will start their series withthe Mariniths on Friday, still some
time off to gather their senses,Dana Brown, Tomorrow we'll join us.
We'll catch up on the Astros aswe creep towards the trade deadline and with
the Mariners series in Seattle on Friday, a chance to take over first place.
And who'd have thunk that weeks andweeks ago when their struggle was going

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on All Star Game. Tonight,Tiascar Hernandez wins the home run derby.
First Dodger that that the story franchiseto win a home run derby and he
went into the you know the withthe final four, and he was the
last guy. He had the leastamount of home run I think nineteen,
and Ramirez and Bobby Wood Junior andAlec Bohm were the other three who had

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twenty one, twenty one and Ithink nineteen. But ta Oscar took it
on and had himself a good goof it and beat Bobby Witt Junior for
the million dollar prize and the pridethat goes with it. Good on him,
and you could tell they care still, and even it's a home runner,
if you still want to win it, the competitive the stuff comes out,
and good on Tioscar Hernandez to winit and having a pretty damn good
year in LA and probably going toget himself paid. I think he's on

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it. He might be on aone year deal. I might be crazy,
but I think if he's not,I wouldn't imagine that. If this
continues, and he's been a goodcontributor with a long ball for a Dodger
team that's loaded with bats, especiallywhen they're healthy, and Mookie Bets is
in the lineup as well, soAstros again will one game out start that

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series with Seattle Friday. We gottime a lot of football talk this week
to SEC media days going on.But back to Bruce Matthews. I,
you know, I think about aguy like that and the family, and
we joke about the first family,but it's really not a joke. You
know. Clay's son long career,nineteen years, Bruce nineteen years. His
son's going on his eleventh year asa top left tackle, one of the

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best in the league. I mean, a talented, talented fan. His
dad played five years. Nobody talksabout his pops playing, and his pops
is obviously a big driving force inthat family. But an amazing family.
And it was a great teammate andI think, you know, some of
the I think the best things thatwe can get from somebody else when somebody
calls us a great teammate at workor a great teammate, and you know,

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and Bruce has introduced me when Ispoke at one of his things,
and when he labels you a greatteammate, that matters to me. And
it's like, you know, whetheryou're be team captain or your teammates look
at you as a consummate teammate,that matters. And Bruce was also that
for me, and I do takepride in the fact that he came out
of nowhere because Bruce was nasty onthe field, but was under control,
and one time in his career whenhe I don't even know if it was

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out of control, he did theright thing protecting us because I was hit
laid out of bounds in that Indianagame. Of course, so was John
and Bruce wasn't having any part ofit. And he won't go to anybody
hit his quarterback. And I neverforgot it and I never will, and
neither did he, obviously, Andin doing the wrong thing because he got
kicked out, he did the rightthing because that's what linemen are supposed to

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do for their quarterbacks and their players. And I loved it, and not
only just seeing it on the field, because momentum switched and we were going
and we hammered the me and beatingthem, but more importantly, when you
know those big fellows upfront got you, and it goes a long way.
And here we are, all theseyears later, still laughing and joking and

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talking about it, and I sharea quick story. I was a freshman
at USC and guys, we'll getto your calls Biscuit and Ken here shortly.
I was a freshman at USC we'djust gone through the fall. I
was the backup to a guy I'vetalked about, John Maser, who I
loove, who ended up transferring toTexas A and M and I read.

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Our freshman year, we were numberone in the country for a long time.
Marcus Allen won the Heisman Trophy.John was a red shirt freshman left
hander, had a really good season, and for a good part of the
season we were the number one rankedteam in the country, and we thought
we were going to be a nationalchampion. We ended up getting upset by
University of Arizona, and we hada monumental game early with number one Verse

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two Oklahoma against US and we beatthem at the coliseum on a last second
throw from Masor to Fred Cornwell andso John. There was one hundred thousand
people, and John was a reallygood quarterback, and I was highly recruited,
but I was on the side Ihad played a bunch coming in because
we'd blown people out. Marcus Allenwas running for two hundred yards every week,
and we had Bruce Matthews and DonMostbar and Roy Foster. I mean

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three first rounders. On the offensiveline, we were dominant, and you're
always looking to get a chance toplay. So at the end of that
year, we played in the FiestaBowl. And between the Fiesta Bowl and
spring practice and spring practice kicked inand getting ready to kick in, and
I can remember there an article cameout. I may have shared this,
and I know I shared it withthe group. When Bruce introduced me is

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you never know when an impact isgoing to come, because Bruce thinks a
lot like my dad did. Andit was spring practice got started. You
know, media comes out for springpractice, and more so now than everca
social media. And I remember theLa Times that interviewed me, and I
had said, well, we havea red shirt freshman quarterback in John,
and John and I get into agood relationship, and I thought he was
a good player and very smart guy. Went on to he's a dentist in

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John's phenomenal good human being. Andyou know, when you're a freshman and
the red shirt freshman just led youto the Festaba and for most of the
season you were well number one inthe country, You're thinking, okay,
am I going to get the chance? Even though I was the number one
recruit, and I don't mean thatarrogant, but the number one recruit.
So he was facing that competition andspring practice had just kicked in, and
they wrote an article and I saidin the article, I said, listen,

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I want to compete my ass off, because that's all I know how
to do. And they promised they'regoing to give me a chance to compete,
and that's all you can ask for. And I come from a family,
you weren't running from competition. Mydad wouldn't have allowed it. But
I said, but if you don'twin the job and you're not going to
get a chance, and you're playingwith a good player, you'd have to
at least think about going to somewhereelse where you could compete, get a
chance to be able to play.It wasn't a threat to transfer. It

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was just that I was quite frankly, I was too transparent. Should have
shut up, Okay, But asan eighteen year old fresh when you're like,
oh, I'll just say, youknow, and as a player,
I would imagine as a teammate youcould see where it was like, well,
he's transferring if he doesn't win thejob. And that wasn't the case,
and I cleared it up after,but I'll never forget that article came
out that morning and I'm walking toHeritage Hall and we're about to go up

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steps that afternoon for our meetings beforewe go out to spring practice again.
And Bruce and I met at thebottom and he'll know where that staircase is
at Heritage Hall. And Bruce looksat me and he stopped. He stopped
me, and, like I said, it was probably passing moment for him,
but an epic one for me.Here I'm with an All American going

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to be a first round pick thenext year. I mean, you know
when we go to the fall andhe looks at me and he had read
the article. We all you know, read articles the LA Times spring practice
are you want to know what they'resaying about your team? And I'll be
damned, and we're coming off agood season. And Bruce looks at me
and he goes, what's that articleabout this morning? And I like,
well, it didn't mean it likeit came out because my dad had called

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me about an hour before and wantedto know the same thing. This is
my dad. You know, becareful because the perception of your teammates matter
what my dad's message was, andyou know, just go compete and do
your things. Spring practice just started. John Robinson had promised and North turned
they were going to give you achance. That's all I ever asked for,
is a chance. But it cameout, you know, like sometimes

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it doesn't print, and you're eighteenyears old and you overload your mouth with
your ass. And so Bruce stoppedme before he went up and he said,
you're not transferring. He goes,you get out there and you compete
and go win the job. John'sa good player. You go out and
compete. Is what are you talkingabout? And he goes, don't forget
guys, read that paper to yourteammates. Do like I did, And
he said, meaning like I did, meaning Bruce, I'm speaking on Bruce

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Bath. And he said, getout there and compete things to take care
of themselves. You're not transferring.And while he met it as a friend,
but he wasn't laughing while he saidit. It was his way of
getting in my grill, saying no, no, no, And his family
thought the same way my family did. Yet you know, as an eighteen
year you're like, well, you'retrying to cover all your bases, and

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sometimes in covering all your bases,you missed about three of them. Well,
I went out and competed, andI took that to heart. My
dad and Bruce Matthews on the sameday, and neither one of them knew
the other was telling it to metill I went home, called my dad
after school back in two hours away, and Escadido said, Bruce told me
the same thing, went out andcompeted, was fortunate to win the job,
and the rest is history. AndJohn went on to a really good
career at Texas A and M becauseRC Slocum, who was our defensive coordinator,

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had brought John when John transferred,and John brought out great competitiveness in
me. But I was able togo have a great spring, and I'm
not sure I would have had asgood as spring the expectations had Bruce and
my dad and I have gotten myass over that. So some of the
things that happened years and years ago, and that's forty years ago or more
that Bruce had that conversation with me, and for him it was a passing

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conversation. For me, it waseverything. And at a time when transfer
portal as Guy's running I can proudlysay I ain't ever run and from competition,
and a lot of it had todo with the whales raised, but
also a teammate who thought the sameway I did and made sure I refocused
before I walked back up those stairs. I told Bruce that story, and
it is a fact to this day, to a t there's no hyperbole to

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that statement. Another invaluable lesson aboutperception of teammates. And you don't want
especially offensive linemen. You do notwant those guys thinking. You want him
always to think if they got yourback, you better have theirs. And
then later the sophomore year, theafter spring, going in the fall,
that's the game Bruce gets kicked outof and we're a good team then too,
and Bruce goes on to be afirst round pick and a nineteen year

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player in the NFL and a Hallof Famer. So when a Hall of
Famer tells you that, not knowinghe's going to be a Hall of Famer,
and for him, he didn't knowthe impact for me, it still
stands true to this day. Can'tthank him enough. One of my favorite
people on the planet, one ofthe great people and one of the great
players we've ever had in this league. It's Sports Talk seven ninety. I'll
take your calls next, talk whateveryou want. We got a lot to

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talk about Astros and Bruce Matthew andmaybe some of your stories about him.
But Andy called in earlier. Whenyou combine guard, tackle and center and
grat at all three, we maynever have had a guy who could play
all three as well as him combined, and that's Bruce Matthews. Thanks to
Bruce for coming in Sports Talk sevenninety. Let the celebration start more.

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Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninetyimpressive. His boy Jake's pretty damn good
player in Atlanta, and I'm understatingthat he's a really good player and a
good kid too. Amazing when youknow all this and now you're on the
grandkids and the sun is an elevenyear going to be an eleven year veteran

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in the league. Pretty pretty impressivefamily and one of my favorite teammates,
one of the best dudes you'll evermeet. It was great to have him
on it and won't be the lasttime Sports Talk seven I is Gontaut to
the phone lines. Astros will resumetheir series with the resumed the second half
of the season, and it'll startin Seattle on Friday night, All Star
Game tonight, one game out offirst place. And we also now Bruce

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Matthews gets you pumped up because man, it's football season. And with a
time with the All Star break,you start to think, okay, trade
deadline for the All Star break?What are the ash is going to do
in the second half. But wecan take a deep breath and say,
ooh, now it's CJ. Stroudtime. And you heard Bruce mention that
whenever you have a quarterback that's thatgood, expectations always rise even more than

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maybe they should. But he alsomentioned that he saw things that you're looking
back now understands why Demiko Ryans isso successful, as Bruce was a coach
on the staff when Demiko was inhis final year as a player. And
here we are all these years laterand that guy's at the helm and they're
doing it the right way, andthey're building it the right way, and

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this will be and it's tough.Bruce is right second year. We said
it. It's not just I don'tbelieve that he's gonna have a sophomore slump
at all, because I think whilethey're adjusting to him. Defensive coordinators because
in their head, now is goingto be every single day, how do
we prepare to stop that guy offense? And another year now adding Mixing and
Stefan Diggs to it, they've addedsome weapons on offense. If you thought

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they were good lining up last yearand another year in Nico Collins getting tanked
Dell healthy, now you're a defensivecoordinator, they will be in your head
three weeks before you have to playthem because now it's like what the hell?
But with that they will come.They are smart. Defensive coordinators are
extremely smart, and they understand thatwhile they're doing it, what they're hoping

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is that they're making more adjustments theright way than the quarterback is. But
Bobby Slowick the coordinator, and CJ. Stroud are not going to let them
make all the adjustments without you adjustingyour game. That's called being a great
player. The great ones. Youdon't think Brady and Manning and Moon,
even a guy like Bruce Matthews asan offensive line had to adjust the way
people attacked offensive line play or quarterbackplay. They do. The great ones

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continue to stay a step ahead,and that's why it'll be incumbent upon CJ.
Stroud and that offense and the playersinvolved to take another step in their
approach to the chess match. Andit is a chess match, and it's
a great one. But the expectationswhenever you come up with a quarterback that's
that good. Look how the PhiladelphiaPhillies expectations changed when Jalen Hurts hit the

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ground running. Look at the BaltimoreRavens. Now, they've always had expectations
in Philly and Baltimore, but evenhigher when you get a young quarterback that
comes in and boom takes over.And CJ. Stroud's no different when it
comes to the pub, but heis different when it comes to throwing the
football. Dude can sling it andhe's accurate with it. He's as good
of mid throw that eighteen to twentyfive yard fifteen to twenty two yard throw

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as anybody we have in the league. It's a phenomenal watch to be that
accurate and that precise and dynamic onthose mid throws that aren't the zero to
ten yard twelve where you live mostof the time as a thrower. But
those throws that don't and these aren'tjust making these throws when they're playing prevent
defense. He makes these throws onthird and seven in the first quarter when

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you have to have a ten ortwelve yard game, or third and nine
when they know they're going to dropback and play coverge and you got to
make that throw. And you canthrow a comeback drop it in with a
layering, you know, or throwthe dig route over the Mic linebacker,
over the Sam linebacker, or inthe second window. It's just impressive.
But the adjustments will have to happenin here too. Let's get out to
Kenneth and Cyprus. Kenneth, what'son your mind today? Man, welcome

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in. How you doing. Hey, I wasn't in sighte of to day.
I didn't want to let you know. Man, I pick you up
way down here in Orange, Texas, Man, loud and clear, and
I didn't get a chance to Yeah, I didn't get a chance to catch
Bruce Man. But since you playedthat too, this is what I wanted
to know. And this is froma perspective of your perspective of the player,

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and I wanted to get his takeon the two. What were you
feeling from the fans? Man?Because we you know, as a whole
that that team was like a partof us during your days, you know,
and it was a spirit that wefelt that I don't think it ain't
been that way since them love youbout and with strout coming here and I'm

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feeling it again and uh, Ididn't never take my son to no game
then, Uh, but I tookhim uh to one of these games last
year and and and I haven't seltthat spirit before, and I got it.
I had to let him see whatit was like and have a day
with him in the stadium like that, with the city behind him like that

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right there, because and I'm seeingall that to say is that, uh,
this town grows pretty It grew prettyquick, and it's not the town
that I came up in. Andthe fan base is a little bit different.
And I was sitting in a restaurantone time, and I ain't gonna

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say his name, Sean Jones,he was he was referring to the fan
base here in a way and somethings he said that to the effect kind
of like it was fair weather typeof fans. But I don't I don't
believe that. I just believe thedemographics change here because when I was a

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kid coming up. Louse sixteen waslike our built Way eight and it was
alway a pump Jacks on the otherside of sixten where Astro was. And
I just wanted to get your feelon that because right now with these Astros
winning and I think it's a name. It was her name, Miss Carroll,
Is it, Miss Carroll? MissCarroll? Miss Carroll? She sounded

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just like my generation fans win orlose. But I'm hearing these Astros.
They got it's almost they got abrand, they gotta they got a brand
news, they got a brand newseason ahead. But every morning people are
picking them apart, man, evenwhen they win. Come on, man,
Houston, listen, joy win orlose. Take a kid to a

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game, teach him what it takesto win, the teaching where to take
love and be a good sport aboutit. Man. I just had to
see that, all right, Kenneth, I appreciate it. Uh yeah,
Miss Carroll's passion. And you know, listen, with all the social media
stuff, people are passionate, havean opinion, that's okay. And you
know, I think we all werelike ten games out, what's gonna happen
with the Astros and That's that's whyI keep saying that the players and coaches

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and managing they can't be the sameas us as fans and media because our
knee jerk reactions are emotional, emotionaltied. They can't be overly emotional because
such a long season. But that'swhat makes it great. So I think
they're fantastic fans here. And SeanJones is a hell of a human being.
And I love Miss Carroll's support ofthe Astros. She doesn't waiver.
Sean Jones is a hell of ahuman being, brilliant guy, hell of
a football player. Shawn's opinionated,which I love. He's transparent, He's

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gonna tell it like it is.He's not worried about if you feelies get
hurt, and he's telling his opinion. That's okay, And so I understand
and I'm with him one hundred percentin the process. I think that Sean
the fair weather. I think thatif I know him like I think I
do, I think a lot ofit comes from some of these fans just
didn't grow up here. Sean hasa great appreciation for fan base. He's

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done radio here, been a longtimeplayer and a very bright guy. Extremely
and I love listening to him becausehe thinks outside the box. Is I
think what it comes to. Unlikeyou know, when you're certain towns,
you're there and you've been there along time. You grew up at Escondido,
California. You're a San Diego fanhere because of the gas and oil
and medical business, you get fanscoming and going. It's such a transient

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and there's so many different from allwalks of life that come here. So
you may have a Cowboy fan,you may have a Philadelphia Eagle fan who
moves here and their job takes themhere. And so that's why I think
it's unique in that way to wherea small number can say, well their
fair weather, because it's a smallnumber of fans are speaking because they love
the Cowboys, they love the Raiders, or love the Chargers, or love
the you know, the Giants.But I think for the most part that

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this fan base is passionate. Andyou know what, the Astros with the
seven speaking of that fan base,that the success they've had over the seven
years after the struggle, in thoseyears of sixty win teams, you can
understand why when people, when youget become used to success, like a
player does. You don't expect goseven years of playing great and then the
eighth year not playing well. AndI think that's why this year the oh

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my gosh. But that's the fanand everybody. It exists. And I've
been fortunate to play in a lotof cities and be a broadcaster and cover
a lot of cities. Is it'sit's the same in every city. Now,
some fan bases aren't as different walksof life because people come here for
the medical and gas and oil andleave it's not their hometown. But when
it comes to the opinion and fanbases that you know the emotion. It

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happens in Philly, it happens inSan Diego, it happens in La Just
depends on where you are, becausethey're saying the same things about their teams,
good and bad, that we sayhere. And that's what makes passionate
fans so much. And it's hardat times when you're going through it to
stay it. But when fans say, well I'm not going to watch anymore,
I never believe it, because Idamn well know they're tuning in and
watching a lot of it's hyper belief. For office, I'm so frustrated and

(01:42:54):
not watching anymore. Of course they'rewatching at least with one eye open.
But when you win, and it'seasy, right, but a great fan
base. And I think that's howSean Jones met is that there's all walks
of life here. And you've gotto love Sean because he's I love a
guy with an opinion who's not backingoff from it. One of my favorite
people as well. That'd be afun one, Sean, Bruce Warren,
get a bunch of guys in here, have big old round table. Robert

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Smith was going to come in,but he had an appointment that he couldn't
form. A running back and along time teammate of mine as well.
We'll get those bring that treat toyou guys, so you can sit here
and listen to these guys talk xsand os. It's a pretty pretty cool
thing. Fortunate to have that career. Sports Talk seven ninety Biscuit will get
to you, Ronnie. You guysare up next and we'll roll here on
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Sewn Salisbury Show continued, UH timeoff now all star breaking that they will

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resume on Friday against Seattle in Seattle, one game out of first place.
And we have a lot of goodTexans talk. College football is on the
docket as well as the SEC areat their meetings right now, and football's
here before you know it, andI can't wait, and I'm all here
for it. And the Texans expectationsare through the roof, through the roof,
and a lot of that has todo with early success. Now the

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key is sustaining it. That's howwe judge teams. Can you sustain it
and become where every year we're talkingabout you guys. But right now it's
about twenty twenty four, and Ican't wait to see what this season has
to offer. I think a topfive tough schedule for the Texans. Oh
well, to play the good Onesin January, you might as well play
m in October as well. Let'sget the biscuit in Houston. Biscuit,
welcome in brother. How you doing, hey, Sean, Top of the

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morning to you. Man. Youthink I missed I may I miss Bruce
Matthews. Man, Sean, youever think about you know? And I'm
you know, I think you would. You graduated high school seventy nine,
eighty one, eighty one, Okay, I graduated eighty four and Manes c
Man. Yes, he was myteam even though I'm a Midwest boy.
Yep, you know he was myteam. Man. You know, just

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think about all the munyos and ClaytonMatthews and Bruce Matthews and Ronnie Lott and
Charles White and Ricky Bell that youknow. I mean, yes, he
had the squad's base. Sean.You you played with some of the greats
of all time. Mans you makingthem mount Rushmore. Yeah, well you
can take one from SC a damnnear every position. It really can.

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It's been Yeah, I'll tell youLynn, you know people gett Lynn Swann
played at SC I mean, yeah, oj you know, I mean and
Marcus Allen won the heights of myfreshman year. Yeah, I'll tell you
something. What's interesting. And youcould make an argument that Anthony Munjos is
the best left tackle that ever played, Ronnie Lots the best safety did Bruce
Matthews when you take guards to guardtackle land center is the best of all

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time. And you can put himin at guard. You can pencil him
in anywhere. I mean, youknow, running backs asked, he can
make a case, you know,for that position running no, no question
and biscuit. I considered it anhonor. And I'm going to tell you
why. When you looked at it. There are times, I mean,
go back, and you don't.When you're in it, you don't think
about it. But going back,I think walking through the practice field gates

(01:47:38):
at Southern cal and those names youjust mentioned a lot of them that were
on the practice field, not tomention others that were that we haven't even
talked about and I'm thinking, youknow, it is when you talk of
it. Going to practice was asgood was practices were every bit is tough,
if not tougher than Sunday. Nowyou put game. I'm talking about

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the players that we that I inmy years there, that rolled through that
program from my freshman year to mysenior year. They went on to great
college and NFL careers that when theywere freshmen and I'm a junior that they
were on the scout team and you'relike, well, that guy and then
three years later they're a first rounddraft pick. It is phenomenal looking at
the roster of those guys. SoI, yeah, I considered it an

(01:48:19):
honor to play there and to becoached by those guys. It was.
It was really cool. Great teammates, right, and we're not we're not
even talking about Town Robinson. Youknow, you're talking about one of the
greatest coaches of all the time.I got to be coached by him,
which was nothing, but he Bruce. I asked Bruce, and we both
agree that John's at the top ofour list of the best coaches we were

(01:48:39):
ever around, too. So yeah, it was awesome, man. Thanks
and and into what you said aboutmy son, and he played against Bruce
in high school because I mean hisBruce's son, Bruce, because he went
to Elkins and my son went theHigh Tower and they I think they're I
think they both graduated in thirteen.And so his son was, you know,
a stand out high school player toobefore he went to and them.

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But what I'm saying, my segis Sean is. And when I hear
you talk a lot of times,Allyn, you talk about your dad,
and I'm the same way, andI'm the same way with my sons.
And I'm into Seanan to Lebron Jamesand I'm watching the sun out there at
the summer Eleague game, Shine,and I'm like, why do you put

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your son in this position? Man? He's not ready? Why would you
shot? You know me and youShine, We as fathers man, you
try to do whatever you can toput your kids in the best position,
and you look out for him andyou try to do it and get Nobody
can tell me. If Lebron hadwent Tobron and say hey, man,
I need to go back to college, he'd have went back to college.

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He'd have went back. And it'sit's these I don't know, if you've
been watching the summer league game,shine and it's and this is summer league.
These guys are going against right nowfor the most part, he playing
next year in the NBA, andhe's getting two points and it's I mean,
he shot a couple of air ballslast night where the crowd and sharing

(01:50:11):
him when he scores. You knowwhat he was He wasn't ready for the
NBA. He's not ready ready,He's not ready. And I understand.
The name DNA is fine, butthe DNA ain't the same as I mean,
he's got that dad's DNA, butwhen it comes to basketball play,
he ain't the same as his pops. And it's hey, I've seen it.
Joe Montana's quarterback sons weren't Joe Montana. John Elway's quarterback son wasn't John
Elway. It's tough, you know. Not everybody's Ken Griffy Junior. I

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mean, Bruce Matthews kids ten yearsin the league and is a Pro Bowl
type tackle. I mean, that'stough to do. It's hard to do,
but you're right. See, allhe had to do is say go
back to school, and you're you'reexactly right. He would have went,
he's not ready, and sadly he'sgonna be a journeyman. It may not
last. You know, you knowwhat I'm saying, Uh, just get
in. The truth is if hedidn't have that last name, we'd be

(01:50:55):
saying the guy's not even gonna makethe team. And he will make the
team because of the the you know, the the nepotism and his dad.
But you are one hundred percent forthe development of his game. He he
was not ready to come out andplay, and he's he's he's overwhelmed and
he's in over his head. Thereis no doubt about it, and and
and shine it always He should havesent him over there to Kevils Fansom with

(01:51:16):
somebody. Yes, son, you'renot raised, let me send you over
here with somebody that can teach youa few things. You can learn a
few things. And the money wasn'tan issue. You know, you come
out early when it's you need somemoney or you can't learn. You know,
your growth is gonna be stunned ifyou stay. Yes, that wasn't
the case with Bronni. Man.I just it just hurts me. What

(01:51:36):
was you know, you know whatit almost feels and I hate to say
this, biscuit. It almost feelsselfish on Lebron's part because because as as
you mentioned, because you knew theLakers were going to take him, and
you knew he was gonna It's almostlike, I want to play with my
kid and they're gonna be in therotation together, and in truth, there
will be guys sitting on the benchthat are far more than his son.

(01:51:58):
It just it feels selfish that theyhad to do it because they wanted to
be the you know, the firstto do it, and in the process
of being that, they it's itis not and it's hard to last as
long as Lebron hasn't be that good. It didn't do the kid did the
kid into service. He's not readyfor the NBA. You're one hundred percent
correct. Now. The other guy, read Shepherd is I know we got
to go to break But that kid, that kid that built different there,

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buddy, that's a player now,man, rockets guy something there, man,
And I'm looking at cal and I'mlike, Caler Perry, Man,
what was you doing on it?Because he wasn't doing this in Kentucky some
of this stuff. Man, I'mlike, this still guy game, you
know, what to biscuit as Ilet you go, and I appreciate you,
and I do refer to my dada lot. Is it's time for

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read Shepherd. It's time for usto get him out of the summer league.
He's getting too good. I don'tneed It's tile okay, see and
give one more game and time tosit you down, buddy, we don't
need. That's for guys to tryto find their game. This dude is
at a different level right now.So let let let we can less his
minutes and get him ready for thefall. I've seen enough when it tells
me that he's got something different inhis bag of tricks, that's for damn

(01:53:05):
sure. So I look forward toit. Brother, I can't wait to
watch it. The rockets are onthe rise to and you've said it just
stayed. Of course. Let theseyoung guys develop, and this is a
good ad to it. He'll bethe best rookie in this draft. BIS
get great stuff. Brother, Alwaysappreciate you, man, Thank you.
Ronnie will get to you in justa second. Let's come on back here,
head towards the nine o'clock hour.A lot of talk, men,

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isn't it amazing? Read Shepard.How often does summer league get somebody so
fired up? And we have teamspeople so fired up during baseball and football
season that he becomes one of theleads. And Reed Shepherd has been like
they got beat by Detroit last night. He had I think eighteen last night
and Mark Price, the great guardfrom Georgia Tech. The comparisons are already
started. It's pretty cool when yougot another young player in town that isn't

(01:53:47):
just reserved for the other two teams. Now these guys got more than one
of them. Jalen Green read Shepherd. I know it's early returns, but
damn, he just looks different andthey're building it man, and it's pretty
cool to watch. And he'll bewell coached at the NBA level. Here
with Udoka Sports Talk seven ninety,This Sean Salisbury Show continues. Obviously,

(01:54:12):
you jump into the fray now andBig Ten's got some new people. It's
going to be a fun year.Fund your a tailgate in front of your
football and we get a bunch ofteams in the playoff, which is going
to be really cool to and inthe NFL. Obvious, the expectations for
the Texans are through the roof andthey should be. Now it's up to
them to take care of their businessand get their preparation done right, which

(01:54:33):
I think they've probably put in agreat offseason and you're getting healthier bodies back.
This is a better roster, abetter team, and a quarterback even
though he was great last year,chance to even be better hasn't even scratched
the surface of how good he canbe. Still learning how to play the
position, which is a frightening thoughtfor defensive coordinators. Let's get out to
Ronnie and Houston. Ronnie, welcomein. How you doing. Good morning,

(01:54:53):
guys. I hate the fact thatI had to miss the first two
hours, but my body just wouldn'tlet me get up. But you can
go listen to it on the podcast. Bruce was awesome as expected. Yeah,
Well, one thing I want twothings I wanted to ask you about
with with one with Bruce and onewith the Rockets. Wonder what Bruce's philosophy
was or is about rest recovery,you know, load management, all that

(01:55:18):
kind of stuff, because obviously hedidn't miss any games in nineteen years.
His son's done the same thing,Clay done the same thing. Both Clay's
done the same thing. I justwonder what his philosophy is or would be
now, uh, you know,bringing up players and bringing up his sons.
Let me ask that real quick,grandkid, Yeah, let me let

(01:55:39):
me answer that for you real quick, just from my knowing him for all
these years. And just listen towhat he said earlier. And if you
want to go, listen to you, I think you'll get the same perception.
Is he he would is long?His thought was his dad, I
mean, if you can, youknow, and then his story play and
you can help the team you play. It was that if you start something,
you don't quit it. His philosophy, I think, is this as

(01:56:00):
long as and he so much hassaid it, as long as you don't
feel you're hurting the team by beingselfish and playing because you want to play
just because that's who you are.So there's that fine line of you want
to play because you owe it toyour team and that's why you're supposed to.
You get paid to go play.That's his always been his approach.
But the other thing is as acompetitor, if it was going to affect

(01:56:21):
the team and the guy that washealthy gives you a better chance to win.
Deep down. Then I think that'swhat Bruce would say about load management.
But I can tell you what youtalk about normal practice and loads management.
Oh no, no, no.He didn't take any days off of
practice for the most part until latelike nineteen years or eighteen years into his
career because his by they needed himmore for Sunday. So maybe you don't

(01:56:43):
practice two a days because at thetime he was playing, we were having
two and three days in practice.So but load management to him is if
your body can't practice, it isnot. If you're healthy enough to practice,
you practice. That's been always beenBruce's philosophy. And as long as
you're not hurting the team, youplay. And I love that about him.
So when it comes to just takinga day off because well, you're

(01:57:04):
a little bit tired, that willnot sit well with him, and that
will not be a play he approachesit and never has been and as sure
as hell, wasn't the way hewas raised and not the way the Matthews
family and his kid and the wayhe raises his kids to go about it.
Load management because you're tired, that'snot Bruce's thought process load management or

(01:57:24):
should I say missing a practice ora game. If you're going if it's
going to be a detriment to theteam, that's called being unselfish. He
didn't miss a game due to injuryin nineteen years. Nobody's ever done that.
Spectac he is. He's a cowripkin of football, no doubt.
That's the toughest position any one ofthe three guard, tackle, or center,

(01:57:45):
the toughest position in football to play. It's brutal, no doubt about
it. Brutally the question I hadabout the Rockets. Of course, I
haven't been able to listen to thesummer great games, and I don't pay
attention to him on TV because youknow, they don't talk very much about
the game. They talk about otherthings. But do you think Shepard has
the ability or will be for theRockets what Stroud is for the Texans,

(01:58:13):
Because he doesn't seem to be overconfident. He's not Eric. He's confident.
He has the pedigree, he hasthe makeup, and it seems like he
has the ability hopefully to inspire hisyoung teammates and to be their leader.
Do you think he's got that?Yeah, Ronnie, I'll let you hang
up and listen to that. Andyou are one hundred percent on it.
It's like you were listening to whatI was saying earlier, because I agree.

(01:58:35):
It's we talk about young players inthis league and we've I mean,
in this city and Jalen Green's ahell of a player, but the instant,
the rising on the scene, andwe talk about c J. Stroud.
Yes, Now, the quarterback isalways going to be looked at different
because he's the quarterback, but theimpact in their perspective support in the way
you view them. Yes, Ido. Now, it's only three preseason

(01:58:59):
games, or say I say,in three summer league games, but you
can see the forest through the treesand players, at least I feel like
I can in certain guys tree sayOkay, that's not fake, that's not
just because it's summer league. Now, is it going to be easy to
go out and pump up twenty fourpoints and get nine rebounds and five blocks
or five assists and five steals andtwo blocks in a game on regular seats.
No, though, it's like anythingelse. There's a like Caitlyn Clark,

(01:59:23):
there is a learning curve to grownass men and grown ass women playing,
but when you see it, it'llbe a quicker impact. Yes,
I one percent. Believe, whenyou think about the young players on these
three franchises here in this town,we are blessed. And Shepherd is already
his impact already of guys turning tohim, guys trusting him. He's going

(01:59:45):
to get the rotation. Forget justthe rotation. He's gonna get a lot
of run minutes. He feels likea new Doka guy. He's gonna play
hard. He's got high basketball likeyou. He can handle, he can
jump, he can go get youknow, he can as a guard,
can go get the basketball on theglass, he can pass it. He's
got some savant in him when itcomes to basketball. So yes, of
course, the quarterback, because it'sthat type of position. We always talk

(02:00:09):
more about it. But in thistown, is he going to generate excitement
in an already excitable young team.Yes, he's going to be a great
ad. And I don't think anybodysaw him being this impactful this early.
But it appears that he's taken thispretty damn serious. And you can see
the natural flow of his game.Nothing's forced like CJ. Stroud. It

(02:00:29):
feels like it comes too easy tothem, but deep down you know they're
grinding and when I see that.It tells me they can operate under chaos
and organized chaos. Pretty damn well, Yeah, you're on the right page,
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the Sean Salisbury Show. You know, spent a lot of time talking NFL
and great stories from Bruce with EastHouston Texans. We know the importance of
the quarterback position. We've we've we'veheard that and talked about it, and
we know we got a great oneand potential to be something that's uniquely that's
that's really really special. But isthere a concern or your We talk ashleys

(02:03:35):
all the time, But what's yourwhat has to get better for you going
in this year? That's not thequarterback position. We know everybody's got to
improve. Tank Dell come back healthy, Stefan Diggs comes back and hopefully mind
clear and ready to go and anduh take his game to another level.
You're adding some edge rushing and somesome physicality up front. So is there

(02:03:57):
at seven one three, two,one two, five, seven ninety,
is there a position a player?If you want to just limit it to
a player, that's fine, thatyou have to see not only more from
but for them to be a superBowl team in mid to late January,
be that type of team assuming thequarterback plays great? What has to improve

(02:04:20):
for you? What has to getbetter for you? For the Texans and
NRG is going to be packed thisyear for them to deal with the top
five is difficult schedule for them toimprove off ten wins. I mean,
we saw a lot of quantum leaps. I got news for you. They're
not going from They're not winning sevenextra games this year. That would mean

(02:04:42):
seventeen and oh that's not going tohappen. So what's your quantum leap?
Thought about that this year? Sowhat has to get better for them to
continue this ascent? Seven one three, two one two five, seven ninety.
And then you start to think about, okay, what are the things
that you feel great about and youcan roll through the quarterback. I told
you yesterday that I think one ofthe greatest gets is going to be Joe

(02:05:06):
Mixon and what it does for thebandwidth of the offense. I'm I am
one convinced of it. I thinkthis is one I don't even know if
it's sneaky, but it You know, you're gonna get a lot of all
the Aaron Rodgers talking about coming backfrom his achilles, all the talk across
the league, Jordan Loves contract comingup, Lamar Jackson winning the MVP.

(02:05:26):
C J. Stroud and his season, Russell Wilson and fields now in Pittsburgh,
Jim Harbaugh, the to the Chargers, all the stuff going on,
all the stuff going on, andyou know, Derrick Henry now with the
Ravens, what does that do forthem? I mean, you think about
upgrades and teams that get better.What's going to happen with San Francisco another

(02:05:48):
year? Brock Purty top ten lists, you know, abound at positions.
And then we talked here daneil Hunterand Stefan Diggs gets and then there's this
Joe Mixon thing. This feels nationallylike it's an OH, by the way.
I'm telling you it's not. Thisis not an OH by the way

(02:06:10):
deal. This is not an OHby the way. Oh Yeah, everything's
great. This may end up beingthe most important piece, even more important
than having Tank Dell healthy and StepanDigs in a lineup. Now, those
are important, don't misunderstand me.I think Del's got a chance to be
special and with his speed do somegreat things. Digs, we know what
he brings to the table as aroute runner. Nico Collins can feed off

(02:06:31):
that, and so will Diggs beable to feed off Nico collins elevation.
I'm just telling you that it feelsto me and maybe even locally, I'll
challenge you guys, maybe even locallyas much as I like Damian Pierce after
his rookie year last year, tooka step back, trying to be a
more patient runner. That this offensivesystem did not fit him. They may
fit him more in a year two. When I say didn't fit him,

(02:06:54):
that he's still learning out of thein the past game. Remember at Florida
he was not a He wasn't touchedat twenty five thirty times a game.
He's still working his way into that. I love the way he ran between
the tackles and how hard he ranas a rookie, And when it's hard
to run, you know, tohave that same explosion when you're thinking a
lot because it's a new system.And this you know, when you run

(02:07:14):
his own system like they do,it's it's tough. And this nechnique that
they obviously think he can be aplayer because if you can just get something
out of him as a as aas he continues to learn, it'll be
great. And having Joe Mixon aroundwill be a great teacher for him.
So for us to think that theposition's not upgraded, oh my gosh,
it is a major upgrade, amajor upgrade big back and Mixing is a

(02:07:39):
monster pass protection, three down back, great out of the backfield, flex
him, out, line him upsomewhere else, durable, can carry the
ball touch at twenty five times agame and not leave the field to play
three downs. This feels like it'ssay, oh yeah, oh, by
the way, there's Joe Mixon,especially nationally, and I think in some
we devalue just because the league seemsto they don't want to pay him,

(02:08:01):
that we devalue the running back position. Don't. I'm just telling you don't.
And think in which you've got toeven add more to it, why
there's even more value. Think whatthe forty nine ers system wants to do.
They want to run this. ZachTaylor, who came from that Rams
McVeigh Shanahan group. He's the headcoach in Cincinnati Mix and had great success.

(02:08:26):
We see McCaffrey San Francisco. That'swhat they want to do, Bobby
Slok. This is who they are. And a running back that can catch
the ball out of the backfield andalso run gives you so much flexibility.
And I hope even though his bodyis not as big as a guy like
Deebo Samuel who's physical, you maybe able to expand this offense with a

(02:08:48):
guy like Tank Dell and get himrunning from the backfield, motioning him out.
You want bandwidth on your formations,and this bat gives them incredible bandwidth
and makes them one of them moreversatile offenses in the league. Now you
not only get to play, youget to play. They got to cover
the entire field, and the runningback in the backfield's huge. This is

(02:09:09):
not an OH, by the waydeal. Joe Mixon may be as key
a pickup as there is offensively tonot just this team, to damn near
any team in this league. He'sjust as important to this team as Derek
Henry. Matter of fact, Ican argue that he's better, He's more
important because he can catch the ballbetter. He's a more bigger threat out
of the backfield. Now, Ithink Derek will be perfect for what they're

(02:09:30):
trying to do at Baltimore. ButI can argue that this guy's more important
to this offense than somebody else isto theirs at that position, especially with
the system they run. Let's getout to Steve. Steve in Northwest Houston.
What's going on, man? Howyou doing? Hey, good morning
guys. I guess with your question, I guess the two main concerns that

(02:09:50):
I have is Number one, theoffensive line. I know last year we
had a lot of injury injuries.We have a lot of people coming back,
so that would be one, uhconcern. The next one is the
linebacker position. I know, withwith Dimiko being a linebacker and coach,

(02:10:11):
I'm hoping that I guess, wouldyou got that one linebacker from San Francisco
which I really like, but welost I believe we lost two of them,
which were pretty good linebackers for thesystem. So my concern would be
the offensive line and then also thelinebackers. And I'll hang and listen.
Sounds good. And we will discussthat concern. Steve, great point,
lost deep, but you added somedynamic hand in the ground and stand up

(02:10:33):
on the edge line of scrims.It's going to be fun. And you
did add hey, when you subtract, you got to add and not you,
but as a team. And I'mnot so sure why you lose them
if you can replace them. Well, I always say, what are you
going to replace somebody with? Ithink the defense will be better because it's
more versatile, anxious to talk aboutit, but you make it and then
those concerns are valid. One SteveSports Talk seven ninety rolling on here,

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(02:13:33):
push the quarterback aside. We knowhow important he is, and we talk
about the good things that they have, and man, is there's some good
things. I've told you. Ibelieve Joe Mixon is going to be huge
for the Texans and trying to defendthem. But for me, now,
I ask you, guys, whatis your biggest the effort of or the
thought process of the weakness. Isthere one something from last year, whether

(02:14:00):
it's a player, whether it's thedepth. You've heard the callers mention what
their concerns are or their confidence levelsthe last few days, and where are
you Do you feel that there's aposition that they that they missed on this
offseason that they missed on. Areyou concerned about depth? Is the offensive
line play a concern or an upgrade? Are they ready to go healthy?

(02:14:22):
What are your expectations there? Ithink Kenyan Green were expecting him to take
another level right as a former highpick from Texas A and m where's that
level and where's his contribution? Ifthe offensive line is good and healthy and
there's continuity there with the five guys, this team is gonna to me that

(02:14:45):
is the one that has to evenelevate to another level. And they're going
to Why I know they could passprotect, they've got to move the pile.
The pile in the run game haveto create new line of scrimmage in
a run game. I'm not overlyconcerned because I think adding Joe Mixon and
with CJ. Stroud and these offensiveweapons, it's going to create some spacing
for you. It's going to createsome spacing. And the reason why is

(02:15:11):
because you can't just defend one partof this game. Now. I know
last year the running game at timeshad its moments, but this you have
to take into account third and six. They can still run it with mixing
and if the offensive line, ifthere's movement at the line of scrimmage.
I think it's going to be reallycool to watch how the Houston Texans take
care of their business. I reallydo, because I know Stroud can play.
I know the passing game will exceland you may get less attempts and

(02:15:35):
less oh we got to throw momentsfor the Texans and more production because of
the guy out of the backfield.I just think it creates a lot of
mismatched problems for defenses, and ina division that's got Stroud, second year
Guy, Richardson, second year GuyLevis, second year guy, and Trevor
Lawrence who got a big deal,who there's still another level we're waiting on

(02:15:58):
for his game. This is notonly a division that they is going to
be winnable, but with a toughschedule, and it will be difficult.
They could actually still win ten games, win nine games and be a better
football team. Yet they go outwin eleven or twelve games, it'll be
a tough task. They're geared up. You no longer get to come and
say, oh, by the way, we're playing the Texans. Yeah,

(02:16:20):
they're not very good. Their threewin team. So for me, overall
process of this football franchise and wherethey're headed is got to be healthy and
deep offensive line wise. But whileyou're there, this team has to be
physical on the offensive line. Iknow they're going to continue to get physical
defensively because I know where Demiko Ryancecomes from and what his defensive philosophy is.

(02:16:43):
And I also know that as goodas the forty nine ers have been
in their past and last year isthey want to run it. And you
talk about McCaffrey. You think aboutspread offenses these days, I'm just telling
you Kyle Shanahan and with his dad, Well they could with Elway, but
when Terrell Davis came, they wantto run it. Zone teams want to
run it. That's why this teamadded Joe Mixon. They want to run

(02:17:07):
the ball. Matter of fact,the distribution everybody wants fifty to fifty.
You'll take a fifty five to fortyfive run versus pass. That will tell
me they're exactly where they want tobe. And play action will be huge
this year for them. But withteams that you know, we're in a
league now that this perceived well yougot it, spread it out and throw

(02:17:28):
it all the time. Well that'sthat's fine. You can also spread it
out and run it. But theability to play with an in line tight
end just flex it out to havea lot of different formations and personnel groupings,
and Joe Mixon is going to giveyou a lot of that. Feel
offensive line for me, talented andwin healthy, really good. Think about

(02:17:50):
what they did last year with havingto play, you know, moving pieces
all around to fit. This guyis hurting this guy's end, that guy's
out, this guy from the startof the season, and in pre season
they had to play. They hadto play some match game and they did.
And now another year of health learningwith the same coaching staff and the

(02:18:11):
expectations, and I can just sayyou this, having been in those offensive
line rooms and talk to those guys, do you realize the somersaults they were
doing. No disrespect to guys thatwere here or are here, but do
you want to know the somersaults they'redoing in those meeting rooms the second they
heard Joe Mixon was coming to Houston. I'm going to tell you those guys,

(02:18:31):
that's like a pig and crap right, not the players, but how
you those pigs like they want towall around, get their food and roll
around the mud. I know becauseI lived on one growing a farm growing
up, and pigs and the horses. Those pigs love that mud. Poffs
put some water out there, fillthat dog onside. They love it.
And the big fellas love when theyget a running back that can help them

(02:18:54):
help them in protection, help theoffensive line from teeing off and going after
the quarterback. Because we know,listen, the run game wasn't devastating.
It had a change up pitch lastyear. But when you played the Houston
Texas, you knew you had toget to the quarterback. Take away the
run game, I mean, takeaway the pass game. You just did.
And so now going into a gameyou come in which makes an offensive
line's job just it's tougher. It'sjust tougher. Now you got to play

(02:19:18):
him on roller skates. Now,different different ballgame for that defensive front seven.
Now when you got to come tothe line of scrimmage, like,
well, I can't just rush thepasser because on third and four, mix
and will carry it and they'll getfive and it'll be another first down.
So I assure you this team waslike like the Big Fellows in a good
meal served Joe Mixon's coming here.That's like they're ready to throw a party.

(02:19:39):
So in two years, this offensiveline's added two things. That they
had to have a quarterback that coulddo everything they needed him to do and
get rid of the football on timeand with accuracy. And add a running
back who all of a sudden,now when the whole opens, he's through
it and at times he can createhis own. This dude is a monster.
So for me, keeping the frontguys, the offensive line health and

(02:20:00):
adding a sense of physicality to theirrun production. To me, that's the
rest is going to take care ofitself. You've got to be a little
lucky injury wise. The physicality thoughtprocess to the Big Fellow's run approach this
year, paramount in a run fora Super Bowl. Sports Talk seven ninety
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Show continued, produces He's on air, talent does it all and he's out
there with Chris Gordy covered SEC mediadays. Dan, what's up, brother,
Welcome in and kind of give usan overall view of maybe some of

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the highlights of what's going on thereso far and the excitement starting to brew
for teams like Texas and Oklahoma.Texas I think picked what's second in the
conference behind Georgia. Yeah, Imean, you know, and if you
listen to the questions yesterday, ofcourse, it didn't seem to really impress
Nick Saban in the main room aboutyou know, how good is Texas going
to be in the SEC and they'vebeen able to dominate in every conference they've

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been in, which that last partis not one hundred percent true, probably
not even fifty percent true. Lastyear they were good in the Big Twelve,
but overall pretty pedestrian in that conference. So that was a little bit
of the storyline from day one andalso to today. You get Georgia,
you get Tennessee, you get toOklahoma coming through. So Brent Venable's going
to get his first opportunity to beable to meet with the SEC media.

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But I mean, you know,Sean, I'm sure is maybe you've either
experienced on your own or you've heardSEC Media Days is a little bit different.
I mean, it is pretty muchfour days of Super Bowl media nights
and just everything that goes with it. And it truly is I mean they
now call it, you know,the SEC Kickoff Media Days. I mean,

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it truly is the kickoff. Texansare going to start training camp practice
tomorrow and this is the signal that, yeah, it's here, We're ready
to go. Yeah. Absolutely,And with that in mind, and with
training camps you mentioned opening in theNFL and Texans who have the you know,
the early game obviously the Hall ofFame game, but with the SEC,
is Georgia the overwhelming thought, I'mtalking about the whole conference, Georgia

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the overwhelming favorite. Carson Beck comingback. We know what they bring to
the table. They're used to winninggreat recruiting classes each year. Is there
a real threat or is this anow while it's deep, is this Georgia
and everybody else. Well, Ithink that the believable. And let me
explain that is because, I mean, you know, you've got a returning
quarterback in Carson Beck. You've gota lot of really good talent, Like

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I know that me and Gordy,you're gonna have a chance to catch up
with mikel Williams, who's a reallygood edge rusher for Kirby Smart's team,
and they have a lot of proventalent that's coming back. I think that
with Texas, here's the buyer bewarethat I have with Texas and for Longhorn
fans out there, and I knowthere's many that listen to us. Cost
a lot of really good players fromlast year's team. I mean, you
don't just replace Jordan Whittington, youdon't just replace Xavier Worthy. And you

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know also you know Jatavian Sanders.I mean, just to name a few,
and then let's flip it over tothe defensive side where you lose Devandre
Sweat and also Byron Murray Murphy excuseme, and just kind of plug and
play and go from there. Someprograms have been able to do it.
I think that if nothing else,with Texas, the burden of proof is
you've got to do it again.I mean, you know, the thing

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that we've seen and I think thatwe've been spoiled with in the SEC is
with Nick Saban and Alabama for thelongest time. They were able to do
that because you have guys before thetransfer portal that's stuck around and that maybe
we're four or five star guys andthey might not have liked that they didn't
get a ton of playing time intheir first couple of years, but then
they got their opportunity. Kirby forthe most part, has been able to

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do that in Athens. I rememberthat when I was there covering the team,
he had a quote once where hetalked about they put portal risks on
guys. What he means by thatis when they are going to sign them.
I mean they have a big board, just like teams have for the
NFL Draft, where he'll go throughwith his personnel department. And yes,
some people might think that's ridiculous tostay in college, but it's not anymore.

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They have them that he'll go throughand you know, you know kind
of assess, all right, isthis a guy that if he doesn't get
immediate playing time. Are we indanger of losing him? And they'll just
kind of go from there. SoI would say that you have to do
now, you have to absolutely agree, absolutely, you do absolutely. I
mean, you know, in somecases some people just say, let's just,

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you know, pile on as muchtalent as possible. We know that
through attrition we're gonna lose some guys, but George has been able to have
as much continuity as anyone. SoI mean, I'm a huge believer in
them. I know some people arethrowing Tennessee out as well. I mean,
you know, Nico Imoliva is gonnafinally get his opportunity this year,
and a lot of people believe thathe can be a truly good talent.

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A lot of people really high onLane Kiffin's ole miss rebels jayear absolutely right,
absolutely, And so I mean that'sthat's something you know of another team
that you can look at LSU.I think that you know one thing that
people don't count on with LSU isthey talk about Will Campbell. Four of
their five starters on the offensive lineare back, and you've got a guy
that, while not a ton ofplaying time, still somebody that's been in

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that system for a long time andhas really worked closely with Cortez Hankton and
with Joe Sloan and Garrett Nussmyer.We had a chance to catch up with
him yesterday. If you missed that, head over to Sports Talk seven ninety
dot com. Of course we haveLSU games here on seven ninety. But
I mean, I think the questionwith them is what are they built on
the defensive line? I mean,I think that's a question for them last

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I mean, as you heard BrianKelly say yesterday, defense lost them games.
Defense lost them an opportunity at maybebeing able to make the college football
playoff. They believe that they hada playoff level offense. They did not
have a playoff level defense. Soif Blake Baker is able to get that
short up, we've seen LSU beable to have surprise pop up seasons here
and there, and all of asudden, we're looking back in December and
January and saying, wait a minute, LS using this thing, LSU might

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have a chance to win this thingagain. All right, real quick,
got a couple of co two quickones for you. Is LSU will they
And I have a lot of respectfor nes Meyer, but the drop off
from college football's best player to neusMeyer. Will it be big this year
from Jayden Daniels to neus Meyer.I don't necessarily think so, because,
I mean, for what I justtalked about with the offensive line, that's
a huge part. But also aswell, I mean it seems like,

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you know, one of the thingsI asked Eric Nessmeyer yesterday is how weird
is it that a lot of theexpectations that are upon you are just less
than ten years ago When an lLSU quarterback would come to SEC media days,
it was, oh, man,hey, can you maybe throw for
three thousand yards? Now? Ifyou don't throw for three thousand yards at
LSU, that's an absolutely disappointing seasonout of the quarterbacks. So I think

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that he's got a really good groupto work with. He's got that offensive
lineup front, he's got an improvedrunning game as well. And also,
I mean, Kyrin Lacy is justthe newest guy that I think, you
know, like last year we weretalking about Malik Nighbors and also Brian Thomas
junior that you know you're gonna betalking about him, and also to Mason
Taylor, I mean, you knowhe had a pretty decent year last year.

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I think when you had a freshmanyear like he had, it's kind
of hard to be able to backthat up for a second straight year.
But a third year for him inthis offense and somebody else that can be
a real weapon for him an offense. So I think for LSU, you
know, if they can get pastthat USC test early on in the season,
they got a really good chance seanto get out to a five and
zero start, and then they'll startgetting into the meat of the schedule where

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they're gonna have Alabama and they're they'regonna have Oklahoma at the end of the
season, so there's gonna be testsfor them. But I mean, I
think for LSU, it's just getoff to a fast start and they've been
able to kind of find their stridein the middle of the season as the
seasons have gone along, So we'llsee if they're able to do the same
again this year. They got aboutthirty seconds Dan, But I do want
to get this. You got aguy, Quinn Ewers is coming off a
really good season and couldn't could bea top three pick in this next draft,

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and he's a Heisman Trophy candidate.Yet there's a guy behind him we
know that name arch Manning. Isthere any pressure there and is there are
they going to put packages in?Do you believe to get arch Manning on
the field this year even with thestatus and the performance of quin Yours?
I would say immediately no. Buthere's the problem that's on quinn yours because

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the two years that quinn Ewers hasstarted, what have we known about quinn
ewrs He gets hurt. So Ithink that's what he needs to try to
prove this year is that he doesn'thave the shoulder injuries. He doesn't have
those things that knock him out fora game or two or even more prolonged
like he had the first year thathe started at Texas. So I think,
you know, kind of like you'vebrought up before with the Astros,
health is a huge thing of it. It's the same deal with quinn Ewart.

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If you can stay healthy, Ithink he stays on the field.
If not, then yeah, youdo see number sixteen trot out there.
Good problem to have if you're SteveSarkizi, especially going into a very physical
conference in the SEC. Availability isthe best ability you can have. Dan
great stuff brother, We appreciate you, enjoy your time, and I'm sure
throughout the lineup they'll be talking toyou guys, and we look forward to

(02:30:24):
more of it. Brother, Thankyou always, Buddy. Great stuff with
Bruce this morning. Thank you.Appreciate Yeah, he's one hell of a
player and one hell of a guy. Thanks so much. Appreciate Dan.
That's great, Dan Matthews and alwaysgood to hear what's going on the SEC.
It's gonna be a fun I mean, I can't wait for that one
to get started. Every feels likeevery single game is a playoff game in
the SEC. All right? Thenational anthem Fergie no longer is the best

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of the worst? Is that fair? That is completely fair? All Star
Game last night. Terrence is goingto join us next, but I it's
just I hate to do it triply, but we got right. That's a
love and respect, but it's reallyout of you can't you can't do this.
That's next. The national anthem atthe All Star Game last night at

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Want to win. Sean Salisbury continueson seven ninety, Hey, you
gotta hit the notes. Friggy misseda few and the players response was priceless.
Well, last night, the playersresponse was fairly priceless if you saw

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it, But also yours might beas well. Have a listen to the
All Star Game national anthem last year, and you tell us that Fergie's now
in second place? Who's broad shape? Some bat s to the pairs?
Fine, oh the rest, butwe was we're so gay stream yet red

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yay brou to. The lot ofplay was sayt o the of the No,

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no, no, no, absolutelynot. Thanks for the effort,
Terrence, Come on in. Howyou doing brother? The last part,
Fergie, matter of fact, it'sa big distance. What's that gal's name?

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Do we know who is Ingrid?Ingrid Andres, Ingrid Andres? Okay,
I don't know anything about her otherthan she is not real good acapella
at the National Anthem, but betterthan me, because I mean, I
give everybody credit for guts, butFergie now is in second place. Dude,
Terrence. That that, that,that and the ending capped off a

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really rough night for the National Answer. Let me just let me start by
saying, Sean, you're a humbleguy. You know a lot. I
always forget how many people you know. And man, listening to Bruce Matthews,
Uh, that was what the kidson the street would say. Leg

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that was an awesome little sit down, whatever you want to call it.
That was incredible. Thanks, brother, I appreciate it. I appreciate the
cop of it. Let me getto last night, you stole my thunder
by saying she she basically now sitson the throne of the worst national anthem,
and I was comparing it to Imean you and Brian mate maybe better

(02:35:58):
than her would carry out. Igotta believe Terrence, and I'm being serious
now, and I know maybe ina stadium setting it wouldn't be. But
I think I can sing it betterthan her, and I'm very I'm not
whoa she ye you yeah yeah yeahyeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I

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think I can sing it better thanher. And that ain't saying much,
dude. I mean, it isn'tand I don't mean I mean, maybe
not in the stadium saying, butI sure in the shower, I feel
really good about it. When wecarry oki. I think we're pretty good.
And I'm being a I'm being abit hyperbolic, but I'm not sure
that we're not better, honest togod, you know what you I almost
hung up the phone when you playedit before because I always wanted to hear

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it once. But thank you Seanfor letting me relive that and losing you
know, your ears are bleeding,dude. That was that? That was
I Well, it's never going away, and we will open the show tomorrow
or some point. I can't waittill Brian gets back Friday. Yeah,
when we're gonna play for it,because he is. If he didn't hear
it, oh, I'm gonna makesure he hears it, and so are

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you. Make sure you open theshow or a segment with it. Ruined
everybody's life on their way to work. Yeah, exactly. I forgot how
bad the ending of it was.I was like, you're the best,
brother. I appreciate the call,thanks for calling it as always read love
him. That was Fergie no longerholds the card as the top bad national

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anthem. That was start to finishabout as bad as it gets and met
with love and respect because it wouldn'tbe easy. But sometimes you just got
a call like you see it.If we're being transparent, that can't happen
again. They stay in the studioand use other sounds. Yeah whatever that
sounds whatever that studio good stuff is. It helps you sound better. There

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you go, tripley. Thanks brother, I appreciate you, Terrence and all
our callers. You guys were great. To Bruce Matthews, I love you.
What a great te inmate and aphenomenal storyteller. And it's a great
human being. What a great career. We'll be back tomorrow, Russell,
be in Wednesday, Thursday. We'rejust getting going. All Star Game tonight.
Astros rezume play Friday night in Seattle, one game out of first place

(02:38:13):
for Bruce Matthews for Triple E.I'm Sean salsbry Up. Next is next
Up. It's Sports Talk seven ninety