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There's a Louisville proposal that will ban the hyper scale
of data centers, and you've heard some about it in
the news update that you just got there from John Shannon.
And I saw video earlier this week that really got
me thinking about data centers for the first time. And
it's a guy who lives I believe in at least
somewhere in Michigan. But he went viral with a video
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that shows him standing outside his home measuring sound coming
off of a thirty megawatt data center from his porch,
and the meter reads between fifty eight and sixty three decibels,
not deafening on paper, of course, but it runs twenty
four seven constant, never ever stops, and there's lawsuits currently.
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It's in the Western District of Michigan that has lawsuits
active because the homeowners are suing. And I can't fake
outrage that doesn't exist. I've not been impacted by a
data center just yet, and if they put one up
and it doesn't impact my day to day, I'll probably
not give it much thought. However, I think data centers
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I mean, what do they actually do to really be worthwhile,
because I don't really think they help people that live
around the areas where these data centers can pop up.
You'll hear the pitch jobs growth, good for the community,
and there's not really a whole lot to back that up.
These things don't really create jobs. Like it's not it's
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there'll be some people that work there, but it's a
building full of computers, it runs itself. A few people
work there that it's not like it's you know, it's
not the projected job growth that was unrealistic and never
happened like we had years back whenever they put the
battery plan in south of Louisville and Etown. And yeah,
you'll have you'll have contractors that get jobs and you
can and you can have a two three year project
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that keeps different contractors, different trades busy because of what's needed.
And that's something. But that's that's like a boom in
a restaurant. That's like a restaurant having a busy, a busy. See,
that's like a restaurant taking advantage of NFL on a
Sunday when the NFL is not on, you know, nobody's
really there anymore, So you're gonna have higher bills. Now,
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maybe some of that's exaggerated. Maybe some of the numbers
out there as far as what your what your utility
bills will go up to, maybe maybe it is exaggerated.
And the reality is these data centers are still relatively
new to where you don't have any long term data
that tells you just how much you will have to
pay if there's a data center that that that that
is near you. But then again, like there's the noise,
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a constant hum all day all night, never stops. Can't
open your windows, can't sit on your porch, can't enjoy
your yard. And here here's here's something that, like we
you can't relate to unless you're somebody that has a
data center that's popped up or you. Once they build one,
it never leaves ever, it's not a business that packs
up and moves. It's there for good. And once you
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have a home that out of your outside of your control,
is now within four hundred yards of a data center,
you know what just happened. You will never be able
to sell that home. Even people pro data center don't
want to live next to one. It's just that's that's
it's common. I mean, you will absolutely lose value on
your home if there's a data center that that pops up,
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and previously there was nothing, just a bunch of open land.
Because people actually like that, so they're gonna keep popping up.
There's gonna be some resistance. I just think if you're
the everyday average Joe in your local community, in your
pro data center, what's your pitch now again, you don't
have to say that you hate it. You could never
think about it because honestly, there'll be plenty that it
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doesn't factor in, Like they don't be any any any
any spike in utility bills won't really matter to them,
and they're not gonna live near so they probably don't
think about it. So you'll have plenty of people that don't,
that don't care, but just because they don't, you know,
out of sight, out of mine kind of thing. But
even if you wanted to push back on the costs,
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you know, let's just say, you know, there's there's exaggeration
on the noise or the bills. There's still one thing
that you can't sell me on what do they actually
do for the people who live there? They eat up
massive chunks of land. They don't create real foot traffic
or local business. They don't add one bit to the
character identity of your town. And last I check, that's
something people care about. When's the last time somebody said,
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let's move here. They've got a great data center. They've
got many data centers around. That place is awesome. It's
dead space with blinking lights where a real part of
the community could have been. And I don't know about you,
I'd rather have the beautiful, wide open land that we
have here in America in certain places than just a
big chunk of concrete that just is massive. It's they're
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so massive. That's the impression that you that you get
if you stop in a town that has them. So
they're not going away. I just I would. I would
love to be able to to hear a pitch as
to why they're needed and necessary. You don't have to
hate them, because again, many won't be impacted, but those
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that will and already are impacted by them. I can,
I can. I can tell you that I'm I'm glad
that you not me, just being honest with you. If
I had that constant humming, I'd lose my mind and
there are things that happen. It's life. You will you
will buy a home and one day there's something out
of your control that you would have never projected, you
would have never seen coming, and it will put a
dent in on what your home is worth. That happens
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all the time. In fact, where I live, they just
redistricted the school districts. That absolutely has changed the value
that people perceive homes to be because their kids now
won't go to a certain school, so part of its life.
But that's one that's one of the at least anti
data center layers for me that I don't hear a
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lot of people talking about, is that even if you're
not annoyed by because you just don't notice the noise,
there's no doubt there will be there will be people
that will that will move right past your listing because
they don't want to live near a data center because
who would even if you even if you work there,
you wouldn't want to live next to it. Who would?
So again, they're not going anywhere. But I understand the
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push that you see from hey, let's let's make sure
if they are going to exist, let's not have these
massive ones that are essentially as big as a small
town is. So if you, if you get a chance,
check out the video that has the noise examples, because
I mean it, you know who knows it's social media, right,
It could be exaggerated, You could be amplified via the video,
but it also makes sense, right if you're near a
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data center, knowing what data centers do, there's gonna be
a lot of noise. All right, What I want to
get to coming up next after we check on traffic
and weather, There is a new king in the fast
food world. We'll tell you who that is.
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I guess we can just chalk it up to being
the Coffee and Company effect, because when we get to
roll in the good vibes, they just they materialize. We
have someone sitting outside here of our window four Street,
live in one of the tables, and he's just sitting
chilling and it looks as if he's enjoying a beer.
Oh my, so yeah, look it happens, right, may not
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be the time of day that people crack one open.
But look, when the good vibes are flowing, it may
just be, it may just be unavoidable that you want
to crack a cold one and enjoy.
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So the spring game and Team USA's match, stress what
it is, that's got to be what it is.
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So there's a new fast food giant. And I don't
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know what this says about me. I guess I'm just
out of touch when it comes to fast food because
the fast food chain that overtook Chick fil A is
one that I've never I've never been to and I
and I don't really even know where where I would
find one. Jersey Mike's like, do you tell me if
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you've been, what do you know about it? Scott, I mean, yeah,
or is yours?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah? I know. It was a favorite to my son,
so we take road trips. He loved Jersey Mikes. I
was more of a Jimmy Johns kind of guy. And
then he said, Dad, come over and try Jersey Mikes.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And I was like, wow, and no, I like it.
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I can see why.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah. So Jersey Mikes has dethroned Wow Chick fil A
as the top fast food restaurant according to the American
Customer Satisfaction Index.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Jersey Mikes does a lot of philanthropy work too. They
give a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Back and I know of them. I see a lot
of their commercials, Like they have a clear presence in
the fast food game. It's just not something I've I can't.
If I had to go find one, I wouldn't be
able to unless I looked it up online.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
There used to be one of them. There used to
be one on Bardstown Road, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So this, by the way, this is customer satisfaction Index.
It's not necessarily numbers as far as business, because let's
be honest, I'm not sure anything's ever gonna uh fully
outdo McDonald's just because they've got such a dominant footprint.
But yet, any anytime in the last few months when
I see these different breakdowns as far as just where
these fast food food chain's rank. And I'm sure you
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know everybody's got their own opinions, but for me, I've
realized that don't really have like there's something like there's
just some that I aren't in my rotation. But it's
not like I'm anti them. It's just to me, it's
not a all right, well, man, I'm really craving Chick
fil Air. I'm really I really need to get me
some taco bell. It's a all right. I don't want
to do it, and I certainly don't want to do
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it often, but I'm going to. I'm gonna get fast food.
So for me, it's usually just because, all right, well,
I know what I like and I'm not just sampling
different things. So I'm gonna probably go to a Taco Bell.
I'm probably gonna go to McDonald's if i'm getting fast food,
or I'm gonna order pizza, which I still kind of
throw in that same that same tier of fast food.
But like, for example, like I haven't been to a
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Wendy's and I don't know five years. I'm not anti Wendy's.
It's just not really in my rotation right. If I'm
gonna be picking between burger places, I don't need enough
of it to where I can mix it up. If
that makes sense, I guess I could, but yeah, I
choose not to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Where do you stand on the Burger King versus McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think both are good. I would prefer McDonald's a
little bit more so just because it's it's more consistent
as far as just what I get. But I don't
have any you know, like I'm not a pro one
anti the other. I think both are fine. If we
had to go to Burger King because there wasn't a
McDonald's on the exit, i'd be completely content.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, it's interesting because I missed the old Burger Kings
and you always used to sit there as a kid,
and they roll on that little grill thing that they had,
and there's something about they had that true Charborough taste. Now,
I will say this, when I went to Dallas, I
had the chance to do what a burger versus in
and out? And there are some people and John Shannon's
talked about what a burger a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Of times, but I'm telling what burger's popular.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's popular, but I'm telling you what. I wasn't a
fan of it, but especially when I had in and out.
In and out for me, reigns supreme above all burger.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I haven't had in and out, and that's the thing
for me. I'm not trying to reign on anybody's prad
but I don't it would be a real force for
me to go. I mean, obviously I can't go to
one here, but if I ended up somewhere where it
was available on the West Coast and I tried it,
I'm sure it'd be fine. But I don't think it
would meet the level of hype, just because I don't
really get that hype for fast food, if that makes sense,
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and it's that, And look, I'm not judging anybody. In fact,
I like to call out people who act like who's
eating McDonald's. Everybody at some point he's hitting McDonald's. Okay, Like,
I'm not shaming anybody freating fast food. And I'm not
even really anti fast food at all. I just know
that it makes my makes me feel like crap. And
you said the fast food.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, I've like what a thousand pounds and and You're
exactly right. And I made the mistake. It was probably
about three months ago, and I just I had the
craving for fast food. So I said, on a whim,
I've been eating healthy. It was a weekend. I stopped
in and I got me a combo meal. And to
your point, Nick, afterwards, I'm like, okaysh it was like
a bad date. I shouldn't have went there. I shouldn't
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have went there, and I had regret. I got over it,
so I moved on. But yeah, to your point, and
I hate that because I was a fast food I
like to consider myself a fast food connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
When I was in my early twenties and I had
my first office job. It would be fast food every
day for lunch. And there are plenty of people who's
that's still what they do. And for me, as I
got older, I one didn't do that every day because
one it was unhealthy and obviously it would cost a
lot of money. But I had to stop doing it
because if I went and got your just any tradition,
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Like I could go to rallies, I could go to
Taco bell, I could go to Subway, and I could
you know there was something that I knew I was
going to get. I didn't have to really look at
the menu. But after a while, I'd go back to
my desk and the rest of my day I would
feel like crap. I would feel I would feel almost
like like a food hangover. And it wasn't because I
ate way too much. It's just, you know, it didn't
like the way it made my body feel. And I'm
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glad I had that reaction because you know, trust me,
it's not about well, hey, I'm gonna just go cold
turkey and eat really healthy because I'm that mentally strong.
I'm not. I can't resist temptation very well when it
comes to certain things. But I knew, hey, as good
as it might taste, it ain't worth it to sit
at my desk for the next four hours and feel
like I'm in a food coma and feel it and
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feel what has entered my arteries. That just feels gross.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
That's why I do that on the weekends because that
if I want to go just sit on the couch
like a blob, I can do that. And I remember
we used to go to pasta places all the time.
There's a famous Italian pizza place. When I was in
the Navy and Norfolk, we.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Go there, man, we come back, and that was back
in the day when.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I could cram you know, you know, three four or
five pieces of pizza down my gullet and still kind
of look normal, but not anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I remember going back.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To the office and we all put on coffee afterwards
and it was like, oh it was.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It was the worst.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But if you do go to Jersey Mikes, one of
my favorites there is the number four, and I can
see that that was the one I got christened to
Jersey Mikes on and I.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Kind of stick with and that is a I mean,
it's a sandwich place essentially.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, it's a subplace. Yeah, so shout out to Jersey Mikes.
You've never got my business, but maybe you will someday.
And I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I can't. I
can't give you any thoughts because I've never had it.
I will say I've had only I've only had Waterburger Breakfast,
which was actually really really good. We had that during
our spring break trip a couple months back and it
stood out too, stood out to me as being very
very delicious. All Right, we've got a sports update that's
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I've got a few people reacting this morning, and again
we'll save some time a little later to let your
voice be heard. And one of the things I've got
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some pushback on this was actually from somebody on social media,
is about the data center. And it's not necessarily anybody
disagreeing with what my take was, which is essentially okay
if it doesn't impact you, out of sight, out of mind,
and maybe down the line. We realized that the utility
bills and whatnot in your home, the increase isn't really
that much, and even if it is, it just doesn't
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really impact you fair enough. But my whole thing is like,
why do we need them? What are they for? And
let me give an example. Let's say that the battery
plant in Etown in that area ended up being exactly
what they said it would be, and it led to
job growth and really just community growth like we've never
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seen before in Kentucky because that was what it was
hyped to be. If that ended up happening, yeah, you'd
have a similar visual right, you'd have a humongous I
mean just basically where houses plants, if you will, that
look as big as small towns. And you know that's
not something that's great to look at, but that would
be an asset to your community. It'd be why a
lot of people are there because that's where they work.
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That's a huge part of the fabric of your community.
It's where you punch the Clocket's where you go there,
and it's how you make a living. And you're you're
happy to live there because it's your community, and you're
happy that your community happens to have an employer that
you know helps so many people make a living and
take care of their family. Data centers will never be that.
In fact, the jobs that will exist now with the
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rapid rate of AI technology and the insane speed as
far as how things evolve, you think down the line,
there's going to be more jobs in there. By the
time we get to five years in, there may not
be a single human being that's needed to be in
that building at any point. And if it's just taking
up space and there's no value, like, how could you?
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Why do you want it? And I don't hear from
many people that are like, yes, please more data centers.
But I just the more you hear from folks that
live near one, it does scare me a little bit
because I wouldn't want one near me, not only because
I just think it would be, you know, maybe not
an eyesore necessarily, but it just it wouldn't be what
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I want to live near. It wouldn't want to be
what I look outside of my home and see.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It kind of reminds me of the days when they
wanted to build prisons for folks. Now prisons put people
to work. So I totally understand the course of the
infamous phrase.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Nimbia, the prisons are necessary exactly. That's not a conversation.
That's like, we have to have them, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You know, And this even hit home Nick when you
were talking, because I just talked to my mom last
weekend and she told me there's a big dust up
near her where they want to build now a data center,
and all the neighbors. She talks to all the neighbors
and they're firmly against it. Nobody wants these things. And
I can't think if we have to house this data,
I can't think there's a place we can put these
out in the middle of nowhere. If we come up
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missile silos in the middle of nowhere somewhere, why can't
we do the same with data centers.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And I think we can. But also, you know there's
people who want to put these in place. They're thinking
dollar signs money, so I'm sure it may. They're not
worried about how it could inconvenience of people who live there.
They're just worried about cost and would it be a
good investment. So look, put it this way, there's gonna be.
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And you brought up prisons. No matter what. Life can
just present a situation that you would have never seen coming,
that you can't avoid, and you chalk it up to
just that's how life works. And what I mean is
when you buy home and in ten years you would
have never ever thought about it, But now there's something
that's been put up near your home. That has destroyed
maybe the resell value. Sometimes that's just the luck of
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the draw. So if somebody put a data center up
near my house, and I know that even if you're
pro data center, you don't want to live next to one, right,
who would the noise and just it's just it's in
the way. Wow. So that's one that I'm thinking, Okay,
we didn't need this, Like this is one I wouldn't
understand if it's a pri that's at least something that
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one does have a lot of jobs, but also like
we have to have it like those are now Again,
I think for the most part, prisons are pretty much
strategically I don't even know if it was part of
the plan, but a lot of them that exist they're
not in you know, they're not near residential neighborhood, right,
I mean they're right. I mean, in fact, that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, And there's a lot of open land in Montana,
and I know those who live in Montana would probably disagree,
but I'm just using that as an example. You have
this wide open land and the places in North Dakota
where we had missile silos. Can't we put it? It doesn't
sound like a data center needs to be in a
specific geographic area. Maybe it does, I don't know enough
about it, But why not go to the more remotely
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populated areas of the country PLoP it in there one
you think the land would be cheaper, and two states
like Montana that are fantastic when it comes to business,
tax et cetera. You know, you'd think business would migrate
to that. My question is why do we have to
keep dropping these into neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, and a lot of them aren't, But the ones
that are get a lot of attention. And I think
it's for good reason, because I don't think anybody would
want to live next to one. And there's enough, at
least evidence that suggests that the noise that never stops
could be of real pain in the ass. I mean
that would be I mean, that'd be the worst, never be.
It never goes off. It's like the people right now
that live right near in Old Louisville, right near where
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the work's going on this project on sixty five. It
never stops. They're working around the clock because they've got
to hit that deadline. And maybe they're experiencing now what
it would be like to live one of the next
to one of these data centers. So this is a
simple way to put it. As far as my stance
on it. Let's say everything was the exact like everything
we've laid out. As far as the cons the negatives
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to it, let's just say all that is still in play. However,
there is a lot of jobs created, and I mean
a lot of them. Right think about how big these
things are, and you think about in most before AI,
you would assume, I mean there's a lot of people
that work in there, because why would they have all
this space. Well, there's not humans now, it's computers. So
if there was job creation right out of the gate,
and there was job growth, meaning that ten years down
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the line, while we've added thirty percent to the workforce here,
then it's you know, chalk it up. Is worth it.
It's worth doing it. I mean, it still might be annoying,
but that's help in your community. That is giving it value,
that's helped giving it life. Data centers, as mentioned, there
might be fifty employees in there today, in five years
there might be four. Because that's what AI does. It's computers.
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It's replacing humans. So I just I'm sure there'll be
one that gets put up and it's not super far
from me, and I'll never notice, and I'm not gonna
lose any sleep over it. I just I think it's
a rare spot to be in right now as a
relatable everyday person who thinks, yeah, let's do that. I'm
pro data center. All right, real quick on the updates
(22:46):
to sixty five again the shutdown. We're now, I guess,
wrapping up the third work week of this shutdown, and
it sounds like everything is going really really smooth as
far as just the projected timeline. They did build in
the schedule to include some potential weather delays because you
can't control that. Mother Nature's gonna do what she's gonna do.
But they're on track, and I still think as we
(23:09):
as we you know, get into nearly halfway, it's just
the can opener, like that's the one thing that still
remains an issue, and any any any accident like that,
I mean it is an issue. I mean, if it
doesn't impact you, out of sight, out of mind, I
get it. However, the bridge has to be inspected every
(23:29):
time it happens, and that takes up resources. Didn't didn't
Greenberg sound a little annoyed yesterday, not at me at least,
I hope not. But like he's like, there's signs everywhere. Yeah,
and you know, he said what I think is obvious,
and I hope he realizes I agree, because it's just
common sense. You are responsible to know how tall the
truck you were driving.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Nobody but you is responsible for that. If you didn't
know and you see the signs, you still have to
just be completely not I mean again, I said it
all week, I'll say it again. The reason it happens
at this point, meaning there's tons of signs, there's tons
of coverage and stories about it. I think the scenario
where it still happens is somebody who's just coming through
and Louisville is one of thirty cities they're going to
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drive through, and they are relying on technology like a
lot of us do with GPS. They're not looking at signs,
and they don't have the proper technology for a truck driver.
It doesn't know that they're driving a vehicle that's not
you know, my mid size suv or Scott's compact car
doesn't know that. So you're just you're just going right
along with what it tells you to do in an
(24:33):
area you're not familiar with, and you learn the hard way.
The can opener is undefeated and you're gonna and you're
gonna pay the price. Well that's the scenario. How we
keep having it happen and I don't see. All it
takes is one And I think the scenario I laid out,
it's not going to be crazy to think that each day,
maybe from now until it shuts down, that this happens. Yeah,
And you know it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's so funny how everything kind of parallels what I've
saw this back just outside grind Rapp, Michigan, they have
a bridge going through the same thing, and trucker's constantly
hitting this bridge. The bridge has been hit somebody. It's
one of those that go over the highway, so it's
been hit so many times now they have to shut
it down and totally rebuild the bridge because you can't
structurally repair it. So my question is, and maybe a
(25:15):
trucker can hit us on the Alex R. White talkback line,
why does this keep happening? If you're a trucker, let
us know why. And I've heard, well, people don't speak English,
they don't read English. I understand that, but a lot
of these people hitting the can opener speak English perfectly well.
And you, as a trucker, what would you say if
(25:35):
when you look at these other truckers that hit the bridge,
why is this happening? I'm trying to find a common
denominator amongst the several folks that have responded and like
the bridge in Michigan, why do you guys? Why do
I don't want to see you guys because I want
to talk, But why do truckers continue to do this?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's my question. They don't. I don't think they're challenging it.
I just don't think they know. And at the end
of the day, no matter how you want to slice it,
it's their responsibility to know. I mean, there's no there's
no finger pointing. It's on the there's there's no scenario.
It's not on the person that's driving. And again they
learn the hard way, at least some of them do.
All right, let's get to a trapping and weather update. Also,
Leland Conway's got a gut check for us. We will
(26:10):
talk some sports, and as we get the seven o'clock
hour started, we'll be joined once again here in studio
by lmpd's Dwight Mitchell. So don't go anywhere, stick with
us right here at news Radio eight forty whas
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
There's a Louisville proposal that will ban the hyper scale
of data centers, and you've heard some about it in
the news update that you just got there from John Shannon.
And I saw video earlier this week that really got
me thinking about data centers for the first time. And
it's a guy who lives I believe in at least
somewhere in Michigan. But he went viral with a video
(00:33):
that shows him standing outside his home measuring sound coming
off of a thirty megawatt data center from his porch,
and the meter reads between fifty eight and sixty three decibels,
not deafening on paper, of course, but it runs twenty
four seven constant, never ever stops, and there's lawsuits currently.
(00:54):
It's in the Western District of Michigan that has lawsuits
active because the homeowners are suing. And I can't fake
outrage that doesn't exist. I've not been impacted by a
data center just yet, and if they put one up
and it doesn't impact my day to day, I'll probably
not give it much thought. However, I think data centers
(01:17):
I mean, what do they actually do to really be worthwhile,
because I don't really think they help people that live
around the areas where these data centers can pop up.
You'll hear the pitch jobs growth, good for the community,
and there's not really a whole lot to back that up.
These things don't really create jobs. Like it's not it's
(01:38):
there'll be some people that work there, but it's a
building full of computers, it runs itself. A few people
work there that it's not like it's you know, it's
not the projected job growth that was unrealistic and never
happened like we had years back whenever they put the
battery plan in south of Louisville and Etown. And yeah,
you'll have you'll have contractors that get jobs and you
can and you can have a two three year project
(02:01):
that keeps different contractors, different trades busy because of what's needed.
And that's something. But that's that's like a boom in
a restaurant. That's like a restaurant having a busy, a busy. See,
that's like a restaurant taking advantage of NFL on a
Sunday when the NFL is not on, you know, nobody's
really there anymore, So you're gonna have higher bills. Now,
(02:25):
maybe some of that's exaggerated. Maybe some of the numbers
out there as far as what your what your utility
bills will go up to, maybe maybe it is exaggerated.
And the reality is these data centers are still relatively
new to where you don't have any long term data
that tells you just how much you will have to
pay if there's a data center that that that that
is near you. But then again, like there's the noise,
(02:46):
a constant hum all day all night, never stops. Can't
open your windows, can't sit on your porch, can't enjoy
your yard. And here here's here's something that, like we
you can't relate to unless you're somebody that has a
data center that's popped up or you. Once they build one,
it never leaves ever, it's not a business that packs
up and moves. It's there for good. And once you
(03:09):
have a home that out of your outside of your control,
is now within four hundred yards of a data center,
you know what just happened. You will never be able
to sell that home. Even people pro data center don't
want to live next to one. It's just that's that's
it's common. I mean, you will absolutely lose value on
your home if there's a data center that that pops up,
(03:30):
and previously there was nothing, just a bunch of open land.
Because people actually like that, so they're gonna keep popping up.
There's gonna be some resistance. I just think if you're
the everyday average Joe in your local community, in your
pro data center, what's your pitch now again, you don't
have to say that you hate it. You could never
think about it because honestly, there'll be plenty that it
(03:52):
doesn't factor in, Like they don't be any any any
any spike in utility bills won't really matter to them,
and they're not gonna live near so they probably don't
think about it. So you'll have plenty of people that don't,
that don't care, but just because they don't, you know,
out of sight, out of mine kind of thing. But
even if you wanted to push back on the costs,
(04:15):
you know, let's just say, you know, there's there's exaggeration
on the noise or the bills. There's still one thing
that you can't sell me on what do they actually
do for the people who live there? They eat up
massive chunks of land. They don't create real foot traffic
or local business. They don't add one bit to the
character identity of your town. And last I check, that's
something people care about. When's the last time somebody said,
(04:37):
let's move here. They've got a great data center. They've
got many data centers around. That place is awesome. It's
dead space with blinking lights where a real part of
the community could have been. And I don't know about you,
I'd rather have the beautiful, wide open land that we
have here in America in certain places than just a
big chunk of concrete that just is massive. It's they're
(05:00):
so massive. That's the impression that you that you get
if you stop in a town that has them. So
they're not going away. I just I would. I would
love to be able to to hear a pitch as
to why they're needed and necessary. You don't have to
hate them, because again, many won't be impacted, but those
(05:21):
that will and already are impacted by them. I can,
I can. I can tell you that I'm I'm glad
that you not me, just being honest with you. If
I had that constant humming, I'd lose my mind and
there are things that happen. It's life. You will you
will buy a home and one day there's something out
of your control that you would have never projected, you
would have never seen coming, and it will put a
dent in on what your home is worth. That happens
(05:43):
all the time. In fact, where I live, they just
redistricted the school districts. That absolutely has changed the value
that people perceive homes to be because their kids now
won't go to a certain school, so part of its life.
But that's one that's one of the at least anti
data center layers for me that I don't hear a
(06:05):
lot of people talking about, is that even if you're
not annoyed by because you just don't notice the noise,
there's no doubt there will be there will be people
that will that will move right past your listing because
they don't want to live near a data center because
who would even if you even if you work there,
you wouldn't want to live next to it. Who would?
So again, they're not going anywhere. But I understand the
(06:25):
push that you see from hey, let's let's make sure
if they are going to exist, let's not have these
massive ones that are essentially as big as a small
town is. So if you, if you get a chance,
check out the video that has the noise examples, because
I mean it, you know who knows it's social media, right,
It could be exaggerated, You could be amplified via the video,
but it also makes sense, right if you're near a
(06:49):
data center, knowing what data centers do, there's gonna be
a lot of noise. All right, What I want to
get to coming up next after we check on traffic
and weather, There is a new king in the fast
food world. We'll tell you who that is.
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I guess we can just chalk it up to being
the Coffee and Company effect, because when we get to
roll in the good vibes, they just they materialize. We
have someone sitting outside here of our window four Street,
live in one of the tables, and he's just sitting
chilling and it looks as if he's enjoying a beer.
Oh my, so yeah, look it happens, right, may not
(07:37):
be the time of day that people crack one open.
But look, when the good vibes are flowing, it may
just be, it may just be unavoidable that you want
to crack a cold one and enjoy.
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So the spring game and Team USA's match, stress what
it is, that's got to be what it is.
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So there's a new fast food giant. And I don't
(08:34):
know what this says about me. I guess I'm just
out of touch when it comes to fast food because
the fast food chain that overtook Chick fil A is
one that I've never I've never been to and I
and I don't really even know where where I would
find one. Jersey Mike's like, do you tell me if
(08:55):
you've been, what do you know about it? Scott, I mean, yeah,
or is yours?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah? I know. It was a favorite to my son,
so we take road trips. He loved Jersey Mikes. I
was more of a Jimmy Johns kind of guy. And
then he said, Dad, come over and try Jersey Mikes.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And I was like, wow, and no, I like it.
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I can see why.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah. So Jersey Mikes has dethroned Wow Chick fil A
as the top fast food restaurant according to the American
Customer Satisfaction Index.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Jersey Mikes does a lot of philanthropy work too. They
give a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Back and I know of them. I see a lot
of their commercials, Like they have a clear presence in
the fast food game. It's just not something I've I can't.
If I had to go find one, I wouldn't be
able to unless I looked it up online.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
There used to be one of them. There used to
be one on Bardstown Road, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So this, by the way, this is customer satisfaction Index.
It's not necessarily numbers as far as business, because let's
be honest, I'm not sure anything's ever gonna uh fully
outdo McDonald's just because they've got such a dominant footprint.
But yet, any anytime in the last few months when
I see these different breakdowns as far as just where
these fast food food chain's rank. And I'm sure you
(10:02):
know everybody's got their own opinions, but for me, I've
realized that don't really have like there's something like there's
just some that I aren't in my rotation. But it's
not like I'm anti them. It's just to me, it's
not a all right, well, man, I'm really craving Chick
fil Air. I'm really I really need to get me
some taco bell. It's a all right. I don't want
to do it, and I certainly don't want to do
(10:23):
it often, but I'm going to. I'm gonna get fast food.
So for me, it's usually just because, all right, well,
I know what I like and I'm not just sampling
different things. So I'm gonna probably go to a Taco Bell.
I'm probably gonna go to McDonald's if i'm getting fast food,
or I'm gonna order pizza, which I still kind of
throw in that same that same tier of fast food.
But like, for example, like I haven't been to a
(10:44):
Wendy's and I don't know five years. I'm not anti Wendy's.
It's just not really in my rotation right. If I'm
gonna be picking between burger places, I don't need enough
of it to where I can mix it up. If
that makes sense, I guess I could, but yeah, I
choose not to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Where do you stand on the Burger King versus McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think both are good. I would prefer McDonald's a
little bit more so just because it's it's more consistent
as far as just what I get. But I don't
have any you know, like I'm not a pro one
anti the other. I think both are fine. If we
had to go to Burger King because there wasn't a
McDonald's on the exit, i'd be completely content.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, it's interesting because I missed the old Burger Kings
and you always used to sit there as a kid,
and they roll on that little grill thing that they had,
and there's something about they had that true Charborough taste. Now,
I will say this, when I went to Dallas, I
had the chance to do what a burger versus in
and out? And there are some people and John Shannon's
talked about what a burger a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Of times, but I'm telling what burger's popular.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's popular, but I'm telling you what. I wasn't a
fan of it, but especially when I had in and out.
In and out for me, reigns supreme above all burger.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I haven't had in and out, and that's the thing
for me. I'm not trying to reign on anybody's prad
but I don't it would be a real force for
me to go. I mean, obviously I can't go to
one here, but if I ended up somewhere where it
was available on the West Coast and I tried it,
I'm sure it'd be fine. But I don't think it
would meet the level of hype, just because I don't
really get that hype for fast food, if that makes sense,
(12:10):
and it's that, And look, I'm not judging anybody. In fact,
I like to call out people who act like who's
eating McDonald's. Everybody at some point he's hitting McDonald's. Okay, Like,
I'm not shaming anybody freating fast food. And I'm not
even really anti fast food at all. I just know
that it makes my makes me feel like crap. And
you said the fast food.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, I've like what a thousand pounds and and You're
exactly right. And I made the mistake. It was probably
about three months ago, and I just I had the
craving for fast food. So I said, on a whim,
I've been eating healthy. It was a weekend. I stopped
in and I got me a combo meal. And to
your point, Nick, afterwards, I'm like, okaysh it was like
a bad date. I shouldn't have went there. I shouldn't
(12:52):
have went there, and I had regret. I got over it,
so I moved on. But yeah, to your point, and
I hate that because I was a fast food I
like to consider myself a fast food connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
When I was in my early twenties and I had
my first office job. It would be fast food every
day for lunch. And there are plenty of people who's
that's still what they do. And for me, as I
got older, I one didn't do that every day because
one it was unhealthy and obviously it would cost a
lot of money. But I had to stop doing it
because if I went and got your just any tradition,
(13:23):
Like I could go to rallies, I could go to
Taco bell, I could go to Subway, and I could
you know there was something that I knew I was
going to get. I didn't have to really look at
the menu. But after a while, I'd go back to
my desk and the rest of my day I would
feel like crap. I would feel I would feel almost
like like a food hangover. And it wasn't because I
ate way too much. It's just, you know, it didn't
like the way it made my body feel. And I'm
(13:45):
glad I had that reaction because you know, trust me,
it's not about well, hey, I'm gonna just go cold
turkey and eat really healthy because I'm that mentally strong.
I'm not. I can't resist temptation very well when it
comes to certain things. But I knew, hey, as good
as it might taste, it ain't worth it to sit
at my desk for the next four hours and feel
like I'm in a food coma and feel it and
(14:05):
feel what has entered my arteries. That just feels gross.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
That's why I do that on the weekends because that
if I want to go just sit on the couch
like a blob, I can do that. And I remember
we used to go to pasta places all the time.
There's a famous Italian pizza place. When I was in
the Navy and Norfolk, we.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Go there, man, we come back, and that was back
in the day when.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I could cram you know, you know, three four or
five pieces of pizza down my gullet and still kind
of look normal, but not anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I remember going back.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To the office and we all put on coffee afterwards
and it was like, oh it was.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It was the worst.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But if you do go to Jersey Mikes, one of
my favorites there is the number four, and I can
see that that was the one I got christened to
Jersey Mikes on and I.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Kind of stick with and that is a I mean,
it's a sandwich place essentially.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, it's a subplace. Yeah, so shout out to Jersey Mikes.
You've never got my business, but maybe you will someday.
And I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I can't. I
can't give you any thoughts because I've never had it.
I will say I've had only I've only had Waterburger Breakfast,
which was actually really really good. We had that during
our spring break trip a couple months back and it
stood out too, stood out to me as being very
very delicious. All Right, we've got a sports update that's
(15:05):
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They're coming your way. It is match day, Game Day,
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I've got a few people reacting this morning, and again
we'll save some time a little later to let your
voice be heard. And one of the things I've got
(16:08):
some pushback on this was actually from somebody on social media,
is about the data center. And it's not necessarily anybody
disagreeing with what my take was, which is essentially okay
if it doesn't impact you, out of sight, out of mind,
and maybe down the line. We realized that the utility
bills and whatnot in your home, the increase isn't really
that much, and even if it is, it just doesn't
(16:28):
really impact you fair enough. But my whole thing is like,
why do we need them? What are they for? And
let me give an example. Let's say that the battery
plant in Etown in that area ended up being exactly
what they said it would be, and it led to
job growth and really just community growth like we've never
(16:49):
seen before in Kentucky because that was what it was
hyped to be. If that ended up happening, yeah, you'd
have a similar visual right, you'd have a humongous I
mean just basically where houses plants, if you will, that
look as big as small towns. And you know that's
not something that's great to look at, but that would
be an asset to your community. It'd be why a
lot of people are there because that's where they work.
(17:10):
That's a huge part of the fabric of your community.
It's where you punch the Clocket's where you go there,
and it's how you make a living. And you're you're
happy to live there because it's your community, and you're
happy that your community happens to have an employer that
you know helps so many people make a living and
take care of their family. Data centers will never be that.
In fact, the jobs that will exist now with the
(17:33):
rapid rate of AI technology and the insane speed as
far as how things evolve, you think down the line,
there's going to be more jobs in there. By the
time we get to five years in, there may not
be a single human being that's needed to be in
that building at any point. And if it's just taking
up space and there's no value, like, how could you?
(17:55):
Why do you want it? And I don't hear from
many people that are like, yes, please more data centers.
But I just the more you hear from folks that
live near one, it does scare me a little bit
because I wouldn't want one near me, not only because
I just think it would be, you know, maybe not
an eyesore necessarily, but it just it wouldn't be what
(18:18):
I want to live near. It wouldn't want to be
what I look outside of my home and see.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It kind of reminds me of the days when they
wanted to build prisons for folks. Now prisons put people
to work. So I totally understand the course of the
infamous phrase.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Nimbia, the prisons are necessary exactly. That's not a conversation.
That's like, we have to have them, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You know, And this even hit home Nick when you
were talking, because I just talked to my mom last
weekend and she told me there's a big dust up
near her where they want to build now a data center,
and all the neighbors. She talks to all the neighbors
and they're firmly against it. Nobody wants these things. And
I can't think if we have to house this data,
I can't think there's a place we can put these
out in the middle of nowhere. If we come up
(18:55):
missile silos in the middle of nowhere somewhere, why can't
we do the same with data centers.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And I think we can. But also, you know there's
people who want to put these in place. They're thinking
dollar signs money, so I'm sure it may. They're not
worried about how it could inconvenience of people who live there.
They're just worried about cost and would it be a
good investment. So look, put it this way, there's gonna be.
(19:20):
And you brought up prisons. No matter what. Life can
just present a situation that you would have never seen coming,
that you can't avoid, and you chalk it up to
just that's how life works. And what I mean is
when you buy home and in ten years you would
have never ever thought about it, But now there's something
that's been put up near your home. That has destroyed
maybe the resell value. Sometimes that's just the luck of
(19:40):
the draw. So if somebody put a data center up
near my house, and I know that even if you're
pro data center, you don't want to live next to one, right,
who would the noise and just it's just it's in
the way. Wow. So that's one that I'm thinking, Okay,
we didn't need this, Like this is one I wouldn't
understand if it's a pri that's at least something that
(20:01):
one does have a lot of jobs, but also like
we have to have it like those are now Again,
I think for the most part, prisons are pretty much
strategically I don't even know if it was part of
the plan, but a lot of them that exist they're
not in you know, they're not near residential neighborhood, right,
I mean they're right. I mean, in fact, that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, And there's a lot of open land in Montana,
and I know those who live in Montana would probably disagree,
but I'm just using that as an example. You have
this wide open land and the places in North Dakota
where we had missile silos. Can't we put it? It doesn't
sound like a data center needs to be in a
specific geographic area. Maybe it does, I don't know enough
about it, But why not go to the more remotely
(20:39):
populated areas of the country PLoP it in there one
you think the land would be cheaper, and two states
like Montana that are fantastic when it comes to business,
tax et cetera. You know, you'd think business would migrate
to that. My question is why do we have to
keep dropping these into neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, and a lot of them aren't, But the ones
that are get a lot of attention. And I think
it's for good reason, because I don't think anybody would
want to live next to one. And there's enough, at
least evidence that suggests that the noise that never stops
could be of real pain in the ass. I mean
that would be I mean, that'd be the worst, never be.
It never goes off. It's like the people right now
that live right near in Old Louisville, right near where
(21:16):
the work's going on this project on sixty five. It
never stops. They're working around the clock because they've got
to hit that deadline. And maybe they're experiencing now what
it would be like to live one of the next
to one of these data centers. So this is a
simple way to put it. As far as my stance
on it. Let's say everything was the exact like everything
we've laid out. As far as the cons the negatives
(21:40):
to it, let's just say all that is still in play. However,
there is a lot of jobs created, and I mean
a lot of them. Right think about how big these
things are, and you think about in most before AI,
you would assume, I mean there's a lot of people
that work in there, because why would they have all
this space. Well, there's not humans now, it's computers. So
if there was job creation right out of the gate,
and there was job growth, meaning that ten years down
(22:01):
the line, while we've added thirty percent to the workforce here,
then it's you know, chalk it up. Is worth it.
It's worth doing it. I mean, it still might be annoying,
but that's help in your community. That is giving it value,
that's helped giving it life. Data centers, as mentioned, there
might be fifty employees in there today, in five years
there might be four. Because that's what AI does. It's computers.
(22:24):
It's replacing humans. So I just I'm sure there'll be
one that gets put up and it's not super far
from me, and I'll never notice, and I'm not gonna
lose any sleep over it. I just I think it's
a rare spot to be in right now as a
relatable everyday person who thinks, yeah, let's do that. I'm
pro data center. All right, real quick on the updates
(22:46):
to sixty five again the shutdown. We're now, I guess,
wrapping up the third work week of this shutdown, and
it sounds like everything is going really really smooth as
far as just the projected timeline. They did build in
the schedule to include some potential weather delays because you
can't control that. Mother Nature's gonna do what she's gonna do.
But they're on track, and I still think as we
(23:09):
as we you know, get into nearly halfway, it's just
the can opener, like that's the one thing that still
remains an issue, and any any any accident like that,
I mean it is an issue. I mean, if it
doesn't impact you, out of sight, out of mind, I
get it. However, the bridge has to be inspected every
(23:29):
time it happens, and that takes up resources. Didn't didn't
Greenberg sound a little annoyed yesterday, not at me at least,
I hope not. But like he's like, there's signs everywhere. Yeah,
and you know, he said what I think is obvious,
and I hope he realizes I agree, because it's just
common sense. You are responsible to know how tall the
truck you were driving.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Nobody but you is responsible for that. If you didn't
know and you see the signs, you still have to
just be completely not I mean again, I said it
all week, I'll say it again. The reason it happens
at this point, meaning there's tons of signs, there's tons
of coverage and stories about it. I think the scenario
where it still happens is somebody who's just coming through
and Louisville is one of thirty cities they're going to
(24:12):
drive through, and they are relying on technology like a
lot of us do with GPS. They're not looking at signs,
and they don't have the proper technology for a truck driver.
It doesn't know that they're driving a vehicle that's not
you know, my mid size suv or Scott's compact car
doesn't know that. So you're just you're just going right
along with what it tells you to do in an
(24:33):
area you're not familiar with, and you learn the hard way.
The can opener is undefeated and you're gonna and you're
gonna pay the price. Well that's the scenario. How we
keep having it happen and I don't see. All it
takes is one And I think the scenario I laid out,
it's not going to be crazy to think that each day,
maybe from now until it shuts down, that this happens. Yeah,
And you know it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's so funny how everything kind of parallels what I've
saw this back just outside grind Rapp, Michigan, they have
a bridge going through the same thing, and trucker's constantly
hitting this bridge. The bridge has been hit somebody. It's
one of those that go over the highway, so it's
been hit so many times now they have to shut
it down and totally rebuild the bridge because you can't
structurally repair it. So my question is, and maybe a
(25:15):
trucker can hit us on the Alex R. White talkback line,
why does this keep happening? If you're a trucker, let
us know why. And I've heard, well, people don't speak English,
they don't read English. I understand that, but a lot
of these people hitting the can opener speak English perfectly well.
And you, as a trucker, what would you say if
(25:35):
when you look at these other truckers that hit the bridge,
why is this happening? I'm trying to find a common
denominator amongst the several folks that have responded and like
the bridge in Michigan, why do you guys? Why do
I don't want to see you guys because I want
to talk, But why do truckers continue to do this?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's my question. They don't. I don't think they're challenging it.
I just don't think they know. And at the end
of the day, no matter how you want to slice it,
it's their responsibility to know. I mean, there's no there's
no finger pointing. It's on the there's there's no scenario.
It's not on the person that's driving. And again they
learn the hard way, at least some of them do.
All right, let's get to a trapping and weather update. Also,
Leland Conway's got a gut check for us. We will
(26:10):
talk some sports, and as we get the seven o'clock
hour started, we'll be joined once again here in studio
by lmpd's Dwight Mitchell. So don't go anywhere, stick with
us right here at news Radio eight forty whas
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