October 31, 2025 • 5 mins
Jay Morrison of BengalsTalk.com joined to talk about, you guessed it, the Bengals! They play the Bears this Sunday. Wow.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We're short on time.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Because UK basketball takes over in exactly seven minutes. Jay
Morrison joins us on Thursdays at this time Bengals Talk
dot Com, part of the Growler Podcast with Paul Danner Junior, Jay,
How's it going.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I was a word I was going to be able
to get on with you. We just got out of
a writer's only meeting deciding how we can do our
jobs better.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And which leaders emerge from that meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a bunch of people sitting around looking at
each other. We did not come up with any answers.
I think we could to keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, Typically those meetings do yield positive results, So I'm
I am interested to see if some better work from one.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of you emerges.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I wouldn't count on it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's a very fair assessment. Do we do we feel?
Do we feel like Joe flackhom now may play on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah? It sounds encouraging the fact that he was able
to throw today. I mean, he was limited the way.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
They listed him, but that makes sense because the plan
was going to be to have him and Jake Browning
split reps so if he doesn't take his fool amount
of reps, then he.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Gets listed as limited. But as long as.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
There's not a setback, it looks like the path is
there for him to ramp up and be the starter
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So what's al gold is supposed to do with this defense,
especially if Trey Hendrickson doesn't go.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, it's it's almost
to the point.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Where they have to start blitzing more. There's the only
way they're going to get pressure. They they just keep
waiting and expressing hope and belief that it's going to
turn on for Schamar and from Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai,
and it just hasn't been there. And you know, I
guess Schamar has a little bit more understanding there because
he got started so late and then he just gets
(01:51):
rolling and then he has four weeks off and so
he is really far behind on time on task. But
they they've got to find some way to get pressure.
And he just guys that aren't winning one on ones
don't all of a sudden just start winning one on ones.
And so I think he's gonna have to get creative
and start bringing some more blitzes, and we did see
that a little bit last week. You know, the only
quarterback they hit was Cam Taylor Brick coming on a
(02:13):
on a corner blitz and he got he got to
justin field. So I could see them doing a little
more of that, But then you also worry about doing
that against a running quarterback in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It could really burn you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Zach Taylor talked after the Jets game about the need
for defensive leaders to emerge.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Who are those guys supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I mean your captains obviously, but it's they're just
such a weird spot. Know you've benched one and Logan Wilson.
Trey Hendrickson just doesn't I don't know what he's like
when the media is not in there, but when the
media and there, he just doesn't seem like he's in
the locker room interacting with players. He's hurt himself. He
may not even play again this week. He hasn't practiced
yet this week. And bj Hill is just you know,
(02:55):
he's he's he's got leadership qualities, but he's not that
that al the leader that they were just desperately crating
on this side of the ball, and I think, you know,
a guy like Barrett Carter could be that guy. And
I think that's part of the equation of why they
turned to him over Logan Wilson is not just the
spark in play, but the spark in leadership. And but still,
that's a lot to ask a rookie in this spot.
(03:17):
So that's that's my question, and none of the players
want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But when they had that player's only meeting, who was
in the front of the room, Because I don't know
who it would have been. And I think it's a
really interesting question, and maybe somewhere down the line someone
will be willing to say it, But that's it. They
are desperately seeking that on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think I know who wasn't standing in front of
the room. Who's that Mike Panell.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Uh Yeah, yeah, he got out of here as fast
as possible. He ain't seen enough. And you know, and
that's what sparked.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Our writers only meeting today because none of us thought
to ask Zach about what Mike Fanella yesterday at the
press conference. There was so many other issues that flipped
everybody's mind. But it's just curious Duke always has that
line about it, it's not his job to make other teams better. Well,
he just did that by releasing Mike Panell to go
to the Chiefs, a team that could potentially stand in
this team's way if they.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Get things turned around and find a way of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Who stood in front of the room during the writers meeting.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, that will keep that between us. We'll keep that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I understand that. That's very good.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Is this team's you know, they've run the ball really
effectively and it's it's sort of gone. I don't want
to say unnoticed, but the way they lost last week,
nobody wanted to talk about positives.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Are the Bengals now actually good at running the football?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I would say they are.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's I think it's notable that just the way that
they are moving people off the ball and there's.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Holes and then getting Samage into the mix.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I think that was part of the plan all along.
But they just were so staggered on offense and they
just struggled to get first downs and get drives put together.
And now that Flacco's in there and they're moving the
ball at a normal pace, they they're able to do that.
They're able to run more plays, and I think it's
just all kind of building on itself. I don't I
don't think it's fool's gold at all. I really do
(05:08):
think this has been two legitimate games of a really
good rushing attack, and I would expect to see that continue.
I think they found a little something there, and it
probably goes to Joe Black would being more willing to
go under center and do the play action stuff and
the stuff that Joe Burrow doesn't like to do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At what bar? Did the writers only meeting take place?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh? It was in the media room here at the stage. Wow,
that's that's probably that's we should have a follow up
your biggest at the bar. It would have been far
more productive.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the biggest upset of them all that you guys
had a writer's only meeting and alcohol wasn't involved.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
All right, well, yeah, that's that's probably why it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Went south, exactly. Have to research our priorities. Jay, thank
you as always.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All right, thanks Bob.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's our man, Jay Morrison. Read him Bengals Talk dot Com,
part of the Growler Podcast with our friend Paul Danner
Junior
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We're short on time.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Because UK basketball takes over in exactly seven minutes. Jay
Morrison joins us on Thursdays at this time Bengals Talk
dot Com, part of the Growler Podcast with Paul Danner Junior, Jay,
How's it going.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I was a word I was going to be able
to get on with you. We just got out of
a writer's only meeting deciding how we can do our
jobs better.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And which leaders emerge from that meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a bunch of people sitting around looking at
each other. We did not come up with any answers.
I think we could to keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, Typically those meetings do yield positive results, So I'm
I am interested to see if some better work from one.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of you emerges.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I wouldn't count on it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's a very fair assessment. Do we do we feel?
Do we feel like Joe flackhom now may play on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah? It sounds encouraging the fact that he was able
to throw today. I mean, he was limited the way.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
They listed him, but that makes sense because the plan
was going to be to have him and Jake Browning
split reps so if he doesn't take his fool amount
of reps, then he.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Gets listed as limited. But as long as.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
There's not a setback, it looks like the path is
there for him to ramp up and be the starter
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So what's al gold is supposed to do with this defense,
especially if Trey Hendrickson doesn't go.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, it's it's almost
to the point.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Where they have to start blitzing more. There's the only
way they're going to get pressure. They they just keep
waiting and expressing hope and belief that it's going to
turn on for Schamar and from Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai,
and it just hasn't been there. And you know, I
guess Schamar has a little bit more understanding there because
he got started so late and then he just gets
(01:51):
rolling and then he has four weeks off and so
he is really far behind on time on task. But
they they've got to find some way to get pressure.
And he just guys that aren't winning one on ones
don't all of a sudden just start winning one on ones.
And so I think he's gonna have to get creative
and start bringing some more blitzes, and we did see
that a little bit last week. You know, the only
quarterback they hit was Cam Taylor Brick coming on a
(02:13):
on a corner blitz and he got he got to
justin field. So I could see them doing a little
more of that, But then you also worry about doing
that against a running quarterback in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It could really burn you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Zach Taylor talked after the Jets game about the need
for defensive leaders to emerge.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Who are those guys supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I mean your captains obviously, but it's they're just
such a weird spot. Know you've benched one and Logan Wilson.
Trey Hendrickson just doesn't I don't know what he's like
when the media is not in there, but when the
media and there, he just doesn't seem like he's in
the locker room interacting with players. He's hurt himself. He
may not even play again this week. He hasn't practiced
yet this week. And bj Hill is just you know,
(02:55):
he's he's he's got leadership qualities, but he's not that
that al the leader that they were just desperately crating
on this side of the ball, and I think, you know,
a guy like Barrett Carter could be that guy. And
I think that's part of the equation of why they
turned to him over Logan Wilson is not just the
spark in play, but the spark in leadership. And but still,
that's a lot to ask a rookie in this spot.
(03:17):
So that's that's my question, and none of the players
want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But when they had that player's only meeting, who was
in the front of the room, Because I don't know
who it would have been. And I think it's a
really interesting question, and maybe somewhere down the line someone
will be willing to say it, But that's it. They
are desperately seeking that on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think I know who wasn't standing in front of
the room. Who's that Mike Panell.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Uh Yeah, yeah, he got out of here as fast
as possible. He ain't seen enough. And you know, and
that's what sparked.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Our writers only meeting today because none of us thought
to ask Zach about what Mike Fanella yesterday at the
press conference. There was so many other issues that flipped
everybody's mind. But it's just curious Duke always has that
line about it, it's not his job to make other teams better. Well,
he just did that by releasing Mike Panell to go
to the Chiefs, a team that could potentially stand in
this team's way if they.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Get things turned around and find a way of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Who stood in front of the room during the writers meeting.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, that will keep that between us. We'll keep that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I understand that. That's very good.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Is this team's you know, they've run the ball really
effectively and it's it's sort of gone. I don't want
to say unnoticed, but the way they lost last week,
nobody wanted to talk about positives.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Are the Bengals now actually good at running the football?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I would say they are.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's I think it's notable that just the way that
they are moving people off the ball and there's.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Holes and then getting Samage into the mix.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I think that was part of the plan all along.
But they just were so staggered on offense and they
just struggled to get first downs and get drives put together.
And now that Flacco's in there and they're moving the
ball at a normal pace, they they're able to do that.
They're able to run more plays, and I think it's
just all kind of building on itself. I don't I
don't think it's fool's gold at all. I really do
(05:08):
think this has been two legitimate games of a really
good rushing attack, and I would expect to see that continue.
I think they found a little something there, and it
probably goes to Joe Black would being more willing to
go under center and do the play action stuff and
the stuff that Joe Burrow doesn't like to do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At what bar? Did the writers only meeting take place?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh? It was in the media room here at the stage. Wow,
that's that's probably that's we should have a follow up
your biggest at the bar. It would have been far
more productive.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the biggest upset of them all that you guys
had a writer's only meeting and alcohol wasn't involved.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
All right, well, yeah, that's that's probably why it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Went south, exactly. Have to research our priorities. Jay, thank
you as always.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All right, thanks Bob.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's our man, Jay Morrison. Read him Bengals Talk dot Com,
part of the Growler Podcast with our friend Paul Danner
Junior
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