10/9/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 2 (01:11):
Hi, my name's Mawager. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank
you so much for joining us. I hope you're having
an unbelievable Thursday where it's like fall. Now we have
fall weather. That's delightful. We're gonna go to Wisconsin coming
up in just about ten minutes and learn about the Packers.
Two weeks ago, three weeks ago, everybody was like, you
know what, the Packers might be the best team in

(01:31):
the league. This team's gonna win the Super Bowl. You
got Jordan Love, you got Matt Lafleura. And since then, well,
they lost to the Browns. I'm not sure Joe Flacco
is a major reason why, but they lost to the Browns.
They had a big kick get blocked in that game,
and then they were they tied the Cowboys and Michael
Parsons was like a non factor in that game. We're
gonna find out why. Then another kick get blocked in

(01:52):
that game. So the special teams is a mess. Micah
Parsons couldn't make a play against Dallas. They've had a
week off. The shine has come off green Bay a
little bit. Does it get restored with a win over
the Bengals on Sunday or can Joe Flacco and crew
somehow pull off the upset as fourteen and a half
point underdogs. We're gonna go to Wisconsin and talk about

(02:13):
that with maybe not maybe easily one of the great
sports talk radio hosts in the United States of America,
our buddy Bill Michaels, who's from Cincinnati. That is coming
up in just about ten minutes. Full show preview is available,
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Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's good time very quickly.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
We are going to do a normal or since I'm
hosting it, somewhat normal sports talk radio show today because
I think that's what's best for everybody, and I'm excited
to do it because I love doing this. We got
a lot of feedback on yesterday's show. Yesterday's show, Let's
be honest, was not a normal sports talk radio show, uh,

(02:57):
and it would have been silly for us to try
to do one. Most of it talking about Tony Pike.
And we heard from a lot of you about Tony
Pike and heard your frustration and your anger and your
sadness and your well wishes for Tony. And by the way,
those certainly can continue. We don't censor. We don't really
scream calls on this show. We don't believe in doing that.

(03:20):
But we started the show with me talking about the
decision that the company made the company, and that's the
key part here. The company made to let Tony go.
And he was not the only one, not the only
one in this building, not the only one of the
company to be told goodbye. And I heard from a
lot of you about the first twenty minutes of the show,

(03:41):
and I put him on, I put it on social media,
and I have not had a chance to get back
to everybody. I will be honest with you. I've had
I've been pulled in a thousand different directions since yesterday.
But your kind words about the show and your kind
words about how we've handled things, I've heard them, I've
read them, and I'm aware of them, and I can't

(04:02):
thank you enough for them. And so I talked to
Tony very briefly via text last night, and he was
certainly appreciative of what a lot of you had to say.
The outpouring of support on social media, both from folks
in media and people who just like Tony also obviously
just listeners at the radio stage whatever. I know he

(04:24):
and his family have been touched by it, and your
kind words about how we handled things yesterday are are
much appreciated. And we're going to do our stuff here
because I I love doing this and and that's not
gonna change. And it's been compromised a little bit by
what's happened with Tony, but this is this is a

(04:47):
labor of love for me and we're gonna do our best.
I'll just put it to you that way, And again,
thank you for all the all the nice thoughts about
yesterday's show, and more importantly for the those of you
who have expressed concern about Tony his well being in
his family, which obviously we are keeping in mind. With
that said, let's do a clumsy transition to Sunday. We

(05:10):
got to do some Red stuff a little bit later
on because we've kind of put a bow on the season.
But like this is a pivotal and it's like one
of the most cliche things to say about any team
going into an offseason. We do it every year, every
team like a big offseason. This is an enormous offseason
for the Reds, enormous offseason, and I think they have
a couple of very important decisions to make, and we'll

(05:33):
get to some of them here in just a bit.
We touched on this a little bit yesterday. Zach Taylor
is in the public's crosshairs, I think more than ever before.
How hot his seat is with the brown family, with
the organization, I don't know. I'm led to believe it's

(05:53):
somewhat warm. I think it would be interesting to see
how much slack is he going to get for the
fact that he doesn't have Joe Burrow. I kind of
put more on the person who's built the roster, and
that's obviously Duke Tobin. But Zach Taylor is in everybody's crosshairs.
This game on Sunday, I can only speak for me.

(06:14):
This game on Sunday is a chance to start to
win me over again. They're going on the road as
fourteen and a half point dogs. The Jake Browning thing failed.
I think Zach Taylor's complicit in that failure because he
hasn't figured out a way.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
To make it work.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
But Jake Browning's quarterback play was so wretched, so bad,
I'm not sure a game plan exists to overcome that
caliber of quarterback play. So okay, you're getting an experienced veteran,
an experienced veteran who in Cleveland didn't play well, didn't
play well against the Packers, had one hundred and twenty
four passing yards in that game. He's thrown picks, he's

(06:57):
been prone to mistakes. But not ask for somebody who's
more experienced. You cannot if you are tasked with putting
together a game plan in a very short amount of time,
you cannot ask for somebody who knows more, who's more
well versed in, you know, learning offenses on the fly

(07:17):
than Joe Flacco. And So okay, Zach, I'll give you
not a pass, but I'll cut you some slack for
the way the last three weeks have played out. Not
a ton because you haven't figured out how to run
the ball. But fine, I'll cut you some slack. You
don't get any if this doesn't work. Sorry, like the past,

(07:38):
the slack, the mulligan, however you want to put it,
that that went out the window the moment you said
Jake Browning wasn't going to start. We're giving you experience,
We're giving you a quick study, we're giving you some
arm talent. Now, we're obviously also giving you lack of
mobility behind an atrocious offensive line. But I am this

(08:03):
is Zach Taylor's chance to win me over. And by
the way, it's not just function and keep it close,
like go in the damn football game. Breathe life into
a season that feels like it's on life support. Put
something together with your experience quarterback and your elite offensive
weaponry that offensively gives you a chance to win. Oh

(08:27):
and by the way, Al Golden, since the entire premise
of the offseason was well we got Al Golden. Okay,
then go help win the football game. By the way,
the Green Bay Packers gave up forty points to the
Dallas Cowboys the last time they played. Dallas Cowboys are
better than the Bengals. Dak Prescott is better than Joe Flacco.

(08:48):
No one is under the illusion that the Bengals are
going with a quarterback on Sunday who's at his peak,
in his.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Prime, or even very very good.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But can the marriage of offensive coach with a experienced
quarterback in a history that he has of getting ready
to go in a short amount of time coming to
a new team. Can Can that result in something that
just looks and feels differently than what we've seen the
last couple of weeks. And can they avoid falling behind

(09:18):
by twenty five points like they have the last couple
of weeks. See, this is it, this is this is
the Zach Taylor game. I know I said that about Denver.
This is the Zach Taylor game. More on that in
a bit. A quarter after three phone lines, they're open.

(09:39):
We are very guest heavy today. Five to win three
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zero two three seven seven six. Our guy, Bill Michaels,
the King of Milwaukee and Wisconsin sports talk radio. It's
going to talk about the Packers. I might ask him
about Luke Fickle two, who I think might currently be
the most hated sports figure in Wisconsin. That coming up

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in just a few on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Don't forget, we do have
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Bill Michaels from Elder High School is the king of
Milwaukee and Wisconsin sports talk radio. I watched a show
on YouTube today for a while to get his thoughts
on Bengals v.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Packers.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
This guy's swamp because you got the Brewers game four,
You've got everybody in Wisconsin waiting to find out who
they're going to replace Luke Fickle with. And obviously a
Packer's home game on Sunday, so I know he just
got off the air. I can't thank him enough for
his time. It's good of him to join us. And
if I can find the mouse that uses that works
with the phone.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'll put him on the air. Hi, Bill, what's up?

Speaker 7 (11:24):
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (11:25):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
What's got me? Probably the most.

Speaker 9 (11:27):
Thrilled with elder beat Moler this past weekend sold out pit.
That was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I understand your your classes reunion is tomorrow. I assume
you're not going to be there.

Speaker 10 (11:39):
No.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
I you know what's funny is I really wanted to.
I was going to drive down and drive back, but
I was I just got.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Home from New York.

Speaker 9 (11:45):
I'm a part of Vice Channel doing a documentary on
the Packers and on Aaron Rodgers. I was out filming that,
and then I came home and I just it's too
much travel not to mention and I saw you with
the elder Stag earlier this year. Yeah, And I suddenly
gained about thirty friends that I never knew I had,
who all want tickets to come up to this game
at lambeau Field this week. So I'm hosting about eighteen
people coming up to Wisconsin. So I figured I'd just

(12:09):
better stay home. And I'd really love to come back
home and be a part of that, but I got
a lot of work to do this weekend, a lot of.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Entertaining to do.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was asked by a fellow graduate of yours in
this building, if I would ask you that so we
have our answer. I think I thought I knew what
the answer was going to be, but I had to ask. Nonetheless,
weeks through two weeks, everybody's putting the Packers in the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
The shine has come off. What's gone wrong?

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Special teams?

Speaker 9 (12:33):
Basically, you know, they've had a block pat, They've had
a block field goal that could have won them the game,
even though they didn't play very well in Cleveland. So
special teams has ultimately cost them. But the fact is
the offensive line, you go back to even training camp,
it hasn't been intact all season. Banks has been banged up.
Their new left guard who they bought from San Francisco
in the offseason, moving Elton Jenkins down the center, Zach

(12:56):
Tom the right tackle. He ended up getting an oblique injury.
He's been out a couple of weeks. You know, they've
been moving around Sean Ryan, Jordan Morgan, last Yar's first
round draft choices come in and hasn't played real well.
They've picked up Darien Cannard from Philadelphia. He didn't play real. Well,
there's been a lot of instability on the offensive front,
so I think that's part of it. The secondary didn't
have a good game down in Dallas, and Dak Prescott

(13:19):
got rid of the ball really quick, which negated the
rush of Michael Parsons and Rashaun Gary. So I think
a couple of things were exposed. But more so than anything,
they just they just have not been able to get
special teams right. They've got five special teams penalties, two
big returns, a block pat and a block kick. So
that explains where they're at right now.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And all this when they played against Joe Flacco, they
didn't win the game, but they played against him. How
bad was he?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
He was not good. I mean, he's a statue, you know.

Speaker 9 (13:48):
And the funny thing is now we're going to get
a chance to see him again behind what's considered.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
To be an even worse offensive line. If you look
a lot of the.

Speaker 9 (13:54):
Metrics, the offensive line of of the CINCINNTI Bengals is
you know, I mean, if I'm sitting there, Michael Parsons,
Seuan Garry, Edwin Cooper, the guys up front, I've got
to be salivating at dreams of this team coming into
lambeau Field to where they can just feast on what's
been a rather porus offensive line. And I think I'm
putting it kindly for Bengals fans, so that aspect of
the game I think favors Green Bay. What really has

(14:17):
to happen for the Packers is Jordan Love has to ascend.
We've all seen, you know, he's got the capability to
do it. He's a terrific thrower of the football. We
saw in that kind of two minute meltdown that he
had in Dallas where he just didn't get the guys
gathered in a hurry and they talked about disconnect and
the head coach falls on the sword basically for the quarterback.
But he's got to play smarter, you know, turning the

(14:39):
ball over against Cleveland, making that just completely errant throw,
losing a fumble deep in his own territory against Dallas.
He's only got one pick, but he hasn't played to
his potential, and we keep waiting for him to arrive.
And when I did the comparison, you go back and
look at Aaron Rodgers and you look at Brett Farr.
It wasn't until they took over and maybe their third
year under center, there's sixth or seventh game into their

(15:01):
third year under center, they really started to excel and ascend.
That's what you're waiting on with Jordan Love. Now I'm
not saying Jordan Love is the matrix walking to the
line of scrimmage much like Rogers was, but certainly after
being in the league now his sixth season, he's got
to understand it better and look at it better than
what he has, and so we're looking for him to
start to really kind of kind of take a hold
of this offense and make it go.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
You mentioned Michaeh Parsons. That was the Michaeh Parsons revenge game,
and he was kind of a footnote that forty forty tie.
What did Dallas do to keep him off of?

Speaker 7 (15:30):
Dak Prescott got rid of the ball real quick.

Speaker 9 (15:33):
I mean they doubled the triple team them and then
Devonte Wyatt went down.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Who's their big defensive lineman.

Speaker 9 (15:38):
They gave up ra Sean Or, they gave up Kenny
Clark to be the middle man down in Dallas when
they made the Michael Parsons trade, which left Devonte Wyatt
the big kid out of Georgia who's going for a
second contract. That left him to be that anchor in
the middle, and then when he went down with the injury,
they didn't have the same push. Therefore, they doubled in
triple team to Michael Parsons and Dak got rid of
the ball real quick. I mean, how long did Peyton

(16:00):
Manning survive in this league? Getting rid of the ball
in under two and a half seconds, And that's what
Dak Prescott did. And then eventually towards the end of
the game, guys started getting loose down field. And I
don't know why it took him so long to come
out his zone, but they didn't come out his zone
and they didn't start blitzing until midway through the fourth quarter,
and I think that cost him a little bit as well.
So we'll see if they changed that up if necessary
against Cincinnati. But that's the way to do it if

(16:22):
you can get rid of the ball real quick at
in May Gates a pass rush for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you guys want TJ Slaton back?

Speaker 7 (16:31):
You know, no, not really?

Speaker 9 (16:34):
Look, DJ was a good guy in a rotation the
way go back to the year the Packers won the
Super Bowl ten twenty eleven. They had BJ Rogie, who
they just picked up as a rookie. They had Ryan
Pickett who had already established himself. They had Colin Jenkins,
they picked up CJ. Wilson as well, and then they
picked up Howard Green. Remember Howard Green was cut by
the Jets and was driving down to his home in

(16:55):
New Orleans when they called him and said, hey, come
this way.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
So we had to drive to Green Bay.

Speaker 9 (16:58):
But they had five big, beefy bodies that they could
rotate up front, they could keep fresh, and they could
constantly put pressure on that beat or on that offensive front.
And then you had a guy like Clay Matthews coming
off the edge. And that was the year that they
had the defensive player of the year in Charles Woodson.
But it all started in the trenches. They don't have
a full compliment in the trenches as of right now,
so guys have to grow up there.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I attended the last Bengals Packers game in twenty seventeen.
It was in September. I think it was the hottest
game in lambeau Field history. This seems to me to
be ideal, right, because it's October, so it's not going
to be hot, but you're not going to go to
one of those like, you know, below freezing below zero
Lambeau games in December. For folks who are making the
trip for the first time, what do they need to know?

Speaker 9 (17:42):
Just get the Lambeau and get out and walk, you know,
go park at somebody's lawn a couple of blocks away,
because that's what you can do. And if you pay
the extra five bucks, you can use their bathroom in
their house, which is kind of cool.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
But just still walk around.

Speaker 9 (17:56):
I've got all these friends coming and I don't know, well,
if you've seen it, we get a new RV every year,
right and they call it the Big un A Cruiser,
So it holds about fifteen people. So I'm taking sixteen
people squeezed into this thing to the game, and they're
all wanting to tailgate. I said, well, that's great, but
you need to go walk. You need to go experience it.
You got to go to stadium view into the bar

(18:16):
and and doozies, and you've got to go through the
parking lot and smell it for what it is and
go over to Krawls and get the god awful chili
that they have over there, but people just love it,
you know, and walk around and get the experience walking
through neighborhoods and see what it's like. It's the closest
thing to a college atmosphere that I can describe in
the National Football League. It's just it really is. And
don't forget. I mean, you know, Lambeofield is the biggest

(18:38):
building in Green Bay. I mean the town only has
two hundred and seventy thousand people until all of a sudden,
game day hits and then you've got an extra eighty
thousand coming into town. So you just get out and
experience it because it really is a thing of beauty.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
While I have you and you're always good with your time.
How much do they hate Luke Fickle up there?

Speaker 9 (18:55):
With a passion, Absolutely with a passion. They don't feel
he's the right guy. And don't forget get. You know,
they had a guy that was here and everybody thought
that Jim Leonard should have been the guy because he's
the hometown guy, he's a Wisconsin player, that he should
have been the guy. And he didn't get the job.
They went after Luke Fickle, so he already Fickle had
a strike against him. He had to win fans over,

(19:17):
and then you start looking at his recruiting classes and
you're thinking, man, this is great. He's bringing in top
twenty twenty five talent. This is something we haven't ever
seen here in Wisconsin. So this team's going to flourish
and it seems like they can play really well, and
then they face adversity and they fold like a really
bad tent.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
Man.

Speaker 9 (19:32):
It just they have no intestable fortitude, and that starts
at the top.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
I'm sorry, it just does. And I love Luke. I've
had him on.

Speaker 9 (19:40):
The program, and I thought what he did in Cincinnati
and the way he acclimated himself to all the the
you know, the high school kids down there and really
wanted to recruit with them, and that was great, and
I thought he'd bring that here and it just hasn't
matriculated to the coaching.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
Side of the football. And so I'm rooting for him.

Speaker 9 (19:55):
But I think we did the eulogy today that if
he doesn't beat Iowa and he gets blown out by
Ohio State in Oregon and back to back fashion, he
may not survive the end of the stry.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think I'm in the minority, but I root for him.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Too. It just it went south quickly. Are the Brewers
going to finish off the Cubs?

Speaker 9 (20:10):
I said, they're gonna win tonight. You're Champagne tonight. I'm
looking forward to it. I I you know, and I
know what, because I know you guys don't like Cuffs
fans down there either. They infustrate Great American Ball Park
and it sucks. So I said it this way, as
far as a Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Night now goes.

Speaker 9 (20:23):
They would then have the Packers. Remember went in got
the Hollis Trophy at Soldier Field. When on the Super
Bowl two twenty eleven, the Brewers won one sixty three
the playoff game at Wrigley Field to win the division
in advance and playoffs from there and knock him out
of the postseason. How apropos would it be to win
the NLBS at Wrigley Field, so Chicago for everything they

(20:44):
had going for him and all their arrogance, they can
suck it, because they can. They just we own them.
And I love it because we've always been looked at
it as the redheaded step child just above you know,
Wrigley North.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So kiss my butt, all right, I'm rooting for it
and enjoyed the game on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
You're the man. Thank you as always.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Hi, Buddy thuk you.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's our guy Bill. That guy is like massive. He's
on like a million radio stations throughout Wisconsin. He's on
for four hours every single day. He's got a YouTube channel.
He's awesome about what he does and always kind enough
to join. We had him on before the Reds played
the Brewers and that was cool, and whenever the Bengals
play the Packers every four years. Bill joins us and
he's from Cincinnati. Worked here for like I think our

(21:23):
pass intersected for maybe five minutes, so used to do
traffic for us, and I always like the king of
Wisconsin sports, the king of making his money is our guy,
Lee Sterling.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
He joins us.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
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Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yeah In fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Twenty four from four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger.
Thank you for listening on Thursdays at this time. We
talked with our guy Lee Sterling by the way three
and all on this show last week.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
He has crushed it for us four years.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
He'll crush it for you if you go to Paramount
sports dot com and he's.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
On Twitter as well at Paramount Sports. Lee. What's up.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I'm good. I'm good.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
Can't complain everyone who's calling this happyes that's that's a
fun feeling. Want to you know, I know it's he
didn't pass away or anything, but I want to relay
my condolences to Tony. So thank you, big loss. And
I know what it's all about. I encourage anyone. I
obviously live in Miami, but I tell them, you know,
support your local radio. And I've had a couple of

(23:04):
great successes. Even the guy does all the papers, you
know for driveway He was doing it sponsor my segment
for two years, and all of a sudden he stopped,
and I said, what happened? He goes, I don't have
enough cruise to do all the work. So he goes,
until I get more cruise, I can't keep advertising. So
that's a good thing to happen. So anyone out there listening,

(23:27):
you have a business, support your local radio shows and
hosts and advertise and it can really pay off.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
We'll give you commissioned Lee. Thanks so much. Okay, no problem,
Well well said, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Let's talk about what's going to happen at Nippert Stadium
on Saturday. The Bearcats are hot, one of four teams
undefeated in the Big Twelve. Beat UCF on the road
last year, Big favorites at home on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Do they win? Do they cover.

Speaker 12 (23:57):
Well?

Speaker 11 (23:57):
The biggest question, we don't know who's going to play
quarterback central full I mean, David Jackson last week was playing.
They're doing great, they're up by two touchdowns. He gets hurt.
We don't know if he's going to be able to
give it a go. If not, it's Jae Curry Brown,
who is here in Miami. Cam Fancher. These two guys
are retreads. Retreads, so you know if that's the case,

(24:21):
I mean, this is uncharted territory, not used to being
a double digit favorite here in conference. But bottom line
here is UF They're running back Miles Montgomery ran for
one hundred nineteen hundred and ten yards the last two
weeks and they lost and still didn't cover here. So
this is a team the defense since they held UCF

(24:42):
to thirteen points last year against a better UCF offense
in Orlando, and betting on Scott Frost since he left
the first UCF gig has been like dropping money onto
a pile of dollars soaked and lighter fluid. Bout City
Cincinnati forty one seventeen.

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Speaker 11 (25:13):
But since they lost Ohio State to Michigan, they're nine
and oh straight up eightho to one against the spread.
You want to step in front of this bus, I
mean probably not going to be pretty here. So it
is the first time these teams have played each other
since twenty seventeen. It's the number one statistically ranked defense.

(25:33):
Last week, Ohio State just did a number on Minnesota
here in Illinois. Their offense looks better, but their defense
looks for worse. And I didn't like their play calling
in the second half. So Ohio State, I mean, they
could literally have four or five guys being the top
ten if they just based it on talent and output
for the Heisman voting day. Are that talented? I think

(25:56):
Ohio State gets the job done here thirty eight twenty.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
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Let's talk about Sunday at lambeau Field. Joe Flacco in
the Bengals, which I still can't believe. I'm saying that
Joe Flaco and the Bengals big dogs on the road
against the Pack.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
I mean, Jimmy Testaverdi wasn't available. I mean, come on,
I mean this is ridiculous. Do they really think that
Joe Flacco? I mean, he looks pretty much the same
in the uniform at maybe twenty eight years old.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
He evades the rush a little bit.

Speaker 11 (26:30):
This could get ugly. I don't get this also if
I was forty years old, I played many years in
the NFL's him, if they wanted to trade me to
another division opponent, he played so many years for the Ravens,
your third and four teams, I would say no way.
I had it happened to me my senior year. We
graduated eighteen out of twenty two starters.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
It was me and three other seniors.

Speaker 11 (26:55):
Left the top high school in the county. Came to
me and said, hey, you want to come play here.
I'm like, no, we're rivals, not going to happen. I
don't get it here. I think Zach Taylor is. The
writing seems to be on the wall. Most of the
twenty four points they scored it Detroit came in garbage
time sixteen to forty run to pass split when Jake

(27:16):
Browning was playing at quarterback. I mean, that's not going
to get it done here. And the Packers are usually aggressive,
scripted their plays to the start off a road loss
and a road tie, they probably aren't going to be
Flatski here, blowout city here, Green Bay thirty eight fourteen.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Unfortunately, I think you might be right. Lee Sterling is
with us. You are game of the week. I think
is a fun one Indiana seven and a half point
dog against Oregon.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
Great game. This could be the game of the week.
A couple of these quarterbacks they're talking now. These two
guys could go in the top five in the NFL
Draft in the first round.

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Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thanks Moe See, but that's our guy.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Lee Sterling, Paramount Sports dot Com. Robert Wintroub on the
Bengals at four to twenty. I think that number, by
the way, for me, it's a little bit too much
to go either way. I could see the back door opening,
by the way, nearly did on Sunday. Uh, excuse me,
in the game against Detroit. Let's be honest. This has
disastrous potential. Disastrous potential. Jake Browning playing against the against

(28:59):
the Packers disastrous potential as well.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It does.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I hate, I hate to frame it that way like,
but uh, I as as these things go, and we've
talked about it a lot this week, I'll take the
guy who's a quick study, Chad Brand. Chad Brendle just
got off the air and he's gonna join us to
talk UC football and basketball next.

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Speaker 1 (30:00):
Three reported the Bearcats. Why not.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, if you have listened to this radio station
all day, it's it's been like forty eight minutes since
you heard Chad Brendle and I I don't want to
deprive you anymore. Bearcat journal dot com hosting since he
three sixty tomorrow at noon and joining us now for
his weekly segment on the Bearcats.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Hi, Chad, I'm a long kind of sea lightey.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
In a while. How you been, Dan, I'm.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Hanging in there, hanging in there, just driving home from work.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know, good, good, Well, it's nice. It's nice to
have you. The Bearcat football team is four and one.
They host UCF as big favorites on Saturday. They're coming
off back to back conference wins. This team is playing well.
What has been the most surprising thing about their performance
so far.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
How well the offensive line has played in both phases
of the game. I expected this to be a pretty
good offensive line. But you lost your left tackle to
the NFL. You lost both starting guards to NFL training camps.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Like for a school like Cincinnati that.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
Generally spells disaster for a year or two until they replenish.
You know that group of offensive linemen, and man, I
mean you got to go back a while for me
to remember feeling this good about an offensive line in
both pass blocking and run blocking. And it just feels

(31:35):
like they're setting the tone. I mean, look, there were
some holes that they opened up against Iowa State that
I think Austin Elmore could.

Speaker 12 (31:45):
Have ran through for touchdown.

Speaker 9 (31:50):
Yeah, and they've given up one sack all year.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
Like they are killing it in the running game, and
Brendan Soorsby more often than not has headed a ton
of time to stand back there and pick up our defenses.
Everybody looks at how explosive the offense has been. I
think the biggest reason is that offensive line has been
really good at both run.

Speaker 12 (32:11):
And as quack.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
So they're four and one, and I don't even love
to make the comparisons to last year when they were
five and two and totally fell apart. But if there's
if there's one or two things that should worry Bearcat
fans at this stage in the season, what are.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
They You're in the Big twelve, So I mean outside
of Oklahoma State. Like i UCF, the Middle Florida Institute
of Hospitality is talented. They just they're not a complete team,
but they do enough things well that if you're not

(32:46):
on top of your game, just like Kansas last Saturday, Hey,
Kansas is probably a good deal better than the Middle
Florida Institute of Hospitality. And it was still a twenty
seven to twenty game with Central Florida at the goal line.
You can't really tied a Middle Florida Institute of Hospitality.

(33:06):
It takes a lot. I'm gonna have to workshop that
m F I.

Speaker 12 (33:13):
Florida.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Yeah, Central Florida was at the one yard line four
times and couldn't score to tie that game. So if
Cincinnati doesn't play well, this can be a close game
into the fourth quarter. And if it's a close game
into the fourth quarter, you're opening yourself up to things happening.

(33:35):
So they need to go out, I think and take
control of this game. Because the one thing about Central
Florida it's not a passing team. So if you get
up to you know, fourteen to seventeen points on them,
they're in trouble because they're not gonna be able to
just drop back and throw the ball around. If you
let this game to hang within ten points, it concerns

(33:57):
me because they get after the passer. They've got a
good defensive line, and Miles Montgomery is a really good
running back, and that can cause problems if you don't
if you're sleepwalking, if you're thinking, we beat Kansas at Kansas,
we beat Iowa State, like we're good, we got this.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
How many times have we seen that comeback and fight
somebody in.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
The rear end?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is the Big twelve wide open enough?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
And is this team good enough for them to be
a legitimate factor in the conference race?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yes? Yes, I think.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Well there is one problem I think this year, and
that is I think Texas Tech is substantially superior to
everyone else in the league. So that means there's really
only one spot that everybody's fighting for. And I think Cincinnati,
Arizona State, Iowa State, BYU Utah, like, There's maybe even Baylor,

(34:56):
maybe even TCU, Like there is a large number of
teams that there's gonna be some separation that happens as
we go through, but still you're probably talking about three, four,
five teams that are going to be in contention for
that spot against Texas Tech right down to the wire.
But I do think with the way the schedule sets up,

(35:19):
you've got these two years. If you can take care
of these two you get the four to zero in
the league. The back half is tough, but I don't
see any of those games that I don't think are
are winnable, or at least you know you can go
three and two. If you go three and two, then
you're seven and two in the conference and you're in
the conversation to be in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I listen to your conversation, excuse me, your conversation with
Wes Miller. Today, I heard a coach who sounds confident
but sort of not even sort of kind of understands
the mandate this year.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
I think he definitely does, like you got to win
last year. The thing is, I think people get so caught.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Up in the moment.

Speaker 8 (36:04):
There had been significant progress from year one to year
two to year three, and I think everybody expected that
to continue, me included, you, included, and it didn't.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
And it was a disappointment. It was a significant disappointment.

Speaker 8 (36:19):
But it's not like this thing has been backsliding for
a while. It is correctable, but it has to be
corrected this year, and I think a lot of that
comes down to the philosophy of roster building, because I
think West kind of was in an old school mentality
of just go get the most talent and figure it out, right,

(36:43):
there's any good players.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
As you can, and it'll work itself out.

Speaker 8 (36:46):
Eventually, it didn't, and I think this roster is much
more fundamentally constructed to be good than the one last
year was so well, we'll see how that plays out,
but but I like them makeup of this team a
lot better.

Speaker 12 (37:05):
The other thing, though, that I've.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Been able to see a lot tougher, like this should
be a team that plays really hard. And there's nothing
that drove all of us more insane last year than
watching a team that didn't play hard.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
It's not that we didn't think they played hard, didn't
play hard hard.

Speaker 12 (37:23):
They didn't play hard.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
Time and time again, we're looking at each other going.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
This isn't Cincinnati basketball. I don't want to watch this.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
In thirty five years.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Last year was the first time that I have repeatedly
questioned effort, and if I'm doing that this year, then
I'm gonna throw more than pens on the floor.

Speaker 12 (37:43):
Are you Are you gonna throw Terry throw Terry might.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Pick Terry up and heave them onto the floor. Yeah,
we'll see. We'll see how that works out for me.
All right, man, thank you as always be listening tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (37:54):
All right, thanks, well, I appreciate that's our guy.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Chad Brendall Bearkad Journold. Come you see basketball plays an
exhibition game weeks two weeks from tomorrow against Michigan on
the road in ann Arbor.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
That is no, it's not true. It's next week.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I should know it's ann Arbor first next week and
then Arkansas in the twenty fourth. These are the things
I should commit to memory before I open my big MoU.
I'm almost certain that's the case next week. See now,
what I'm gonna have to do is like go on
the internet and make sure I have that career. We've
had a lot going on here. They play exhibition games

(38:31):
against Michigan and against Arkansas. The Arkansas games on twenty fourth.
Michigan game is yeah, next Friday, Good job, mo. Couple
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Speaker 2 (38:59):
Five minute after four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
My name's Moeger. Appreciate you listening. In fifteen minutes, Our
guy Robert Wintrob I'm want to start the hour very quickly.
I want to give you a quick reminder. It's been
I think it's been an hour since we reminded anybody.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
sports station.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think we have an obligation to remind you of
that once an hour, play that at least one time
per hour. So so just FYI and if I taran,
if we don't play that every hour, you're gonna get
a demerit. And I don't want that to happen. We've
had enough, We have enough problems right now. I can't
have you getting in trouble if you play the wrong promo.

(39:42):
That's that's not what we need. So in fact, you know,
maybe just to cover our own bases, just one more time,
no one.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Covers the Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
One hundred years from now, one hundred years now, that
promo will still be played on this radio station. Let's
see Robert Wintrop, Dan Klaskins, plus you're gonna hear Jamar
Chase Jamar Chase. Now the team spokesperson, Joe Flacco, I guess,
is quite busy learning the Bengals playbook, which, let's be honest,
doesn't feels like it doesn't feel like it should take

(40:17):
all that long. But he's too busy learning the playbook
that he can't talk until Friday. So you'll hear Joe
Flacco tomorrow. Ain't gonna hear him on this show because
it ain't gonna be on Bengals pep rally will be
on in our place, and I might be making myself
scarce on the old social media.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
So we'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
But Joe Flacco is going to talk tomorrow, but Jamar
Chase is going to satisfy our need for Bengals audio,
and Taran is in the middle of cutting it up
to give you the best of Joe of Joe of
Jamar Chase at four thirty five.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Between now and then.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
We're happy to take phone calls because it's a it's
a call in show. Ostensibly, let's see here, John Michael,
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty, John mikel Well, how are you.

Speaker 9 (41:02):
Hey, man?

Speaker 13 (41:02):
How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I'm doing well? How about yourself?

Speaker 14 (41:09):
I'm not gonna lie, ma'am a little bit upset about
what transpired and everything yesterday too. You didn't know that
Carlos Dunlap worked for iHeart Radio and he's trying to
get another sack on Tony Man.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I wasn't aware that that was who made that decision.
I'm a little bit out of the loop.

Speaker 14 (41:30):
Well, it just makes me really upset, man, that Carlo's
Dunlap Man. He took all that money from the Bengals
and he just took mylife away. So I can't call
on that program anymore. Between twelve and three?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Why not you know that the show is still on?
You know, Austin's gonna host it.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Austin's off the rest of this week because he was
going to Green Bay for the Bengals game and so
this was planned. But I would hope that if you
have been a regular caller or a contributor to since three,
that that will continue because I think Austin deserves that.
I think he has earned that, and I think he
will make it worth your while.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
All Right, you changed my mind.

Speaker 14 (42:10):
I want to call in again and stuff like that.
Well you're the man man. I got two things to say.
One thing about the Bengals playing in Green Bay. I
went a few years ago when any Adulton was quarterback
and they should have won. Weird, but it was like
the hottest game ever in Green Bay history for a

(42:34):
football game. And that guy that was talking about like
it's like a college tailgate atmosphere, like we was walking
to get to like to where we was going and
people are like hanging out beers and we was like
doing all that kind of stuff, and it was a
really really nice atmosphere. There was like no commotion like oh,

(42:56):
you're a Bengals fan. No, you're a football fan. This
is our house and you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I always feel like, like go ahead, I'm sorry, John Michael.

Speaker 15 (43:07):
No. It was like no.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
Difference, like if you knock them up door to deliver
a package of like hey, would you like a sandwich?
I can I've got Do you want a glass milk
or anything like that? And that's how I failt about
all that stuff.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I was at that same game. It was eight years ago.
You're right, it was the hottest game in lambeau Field history.
It was one of my bucket list places to go.
I've never wanted to go like in December. It's just
not my thing. So you know, the game was in September.
It's like, you know what, this is my shot, and
so we went. And I've always felt like places like
that that are sort of, you know, bucket list venues.

(43:42):
They're used to fans coming in from out of town.
They expect it right, Like I've always felt like the
bleachers at Wrigley Field are the same way. Like I've
been to the bleachers at Wrigley Field like fifty times,
usually to see the Reds, And I feel like environments
like that where they understand that's a tourist destination. That's
a place where people make, you know, pilgrimages too, that's
a place that people use to cross items off their

(44:02):
bucket list. And so they're used to fans from out
of town and they're not bothered by it, as opposed
to other venues where sometimes you'll find people who seemingly
just can't get over the fact that somebody might be
rooting for a different football team.

Speaker 14 (44:17):
I agree, Man it's like it I went to a
Steelers Bengals game down at that pay More Stadium and
it's like, oh, I'm better than you because the team
I root for is is better than your team that
you root for in football. And it's like, you're not
better than me as a person, like you really you

(44:37):
try to be egregious right now, and I don't like it.
Like I'm here with my mom, like, and you just
jumped the beer on her and I can't fist a
cuff like that, and it's just it kind of makes
me upset. But I want to talk about the Reds,
like starting rotation, starting rotation.

Speaker 7 (44:56):
Okay, I'm gonna break it down.

Speaker 14 (44:58):
Okay, yeah, not that I'm a big baseball fan, but
I love baseball. I love it with all my heart,
my passion, all my beings. You got an opportunity here
in the next year and then the year after to
have four out of five guys and you're starting rotation
drafted fifteen and lower, you know, fifteen to one in

(45:25):
your starting rotation.

Speaker 10 (45:26):
You got that.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
And Rabbit he's got a.

Speaker 14 (45:29):
Sub three ERA All Star this year. He got drafted
in the second round, early second round. I can't imagine
another baseball team that has four first round draft picks,
early second round draft pick that Hey, here's the ball now,
the problem is it's the bullpen. I get that, everything

(45:52):
like that, But if it were me as far as
the starting rotation, I'm fine.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
As far as everybody.

Speaker 14 (46:00):
In the field, hey allie got the center field and
pick up that first base bat when they're I paid
the money for I don't know. It's not my money obviously.
I mean I collect sporting cards and everything like that
in candles. But you know, Peter Lonzo's out there, that

(46:21):
guy hits you about thirty five bombs.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
The year contract.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (46:28):
Do you think I'm Do you think I'm a sub
part like I took classes in the basement like my school.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Think at all?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
No, No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I think Number one, the Reds are operating from a
place of strength and envy where they have a collection
of young and before their prime or in their prime
starting pitchers who you know start with Hunter Green is
is caused controllable and none of those guys are going
anywhere anytime soon. You control them for a while. Andrew

(46:57):
Abbott still has another pre arbitration year, and so you
have a starting staff that has a ton of upside
and is still collectively really really cheap, and you have
you've got options, like you know what's Ret Louder gonna
be is Brandon Williamson. A part of the mix is
Chase Burns absolutely earmarked to be a starting pitcher? Could

(47:20):
they trade one of those guys? What do we do
about Chase Petty down the road? Like, there's that they're
operating from a place of strength, So start with that.
You should have optimism based on that, and then it's
what's the best way to acquire a slugger. Let's be honest,
chances are they're not gonna They're not gonna dip their
toe into the Kyle Schwarber or Pete Alonzo sweepstakes. And

(47:41):
by the way, there wasn't much of a market for
Pete Alonzo last year, which is why he went back
to the Mets. Does that? Does that? Does that repeat
itself this offseason? If the plan is to not acquire
a slugger in free agency, how much would you have
to get up to get somebody who is a genuine
thirty home run threat? So you to me, like the

(48:02):
entire offseason starts with, what is the plan for acquiring
a power hitter? Is it we can find a free
agent that is not gonna be at the top of
the market. Is it we are gonna trade from our
surplus of starting pitching, and then how much do you
compromise your depth? And then you go from there. I
don't think you can go in the next season feeling
like Emilio Pagan is going to be the closer. That

(48:24):
doesn't seem likely. So you're probably gonna have to go
get a back of the bullpen guy. Probably gonna have
to go get a few bullpen arms somewhere. What's that
gonna cost? How you're gonna go get them? And then
you have to make some some decisions about some guys
on your team right now. Uh, where is Ellie Dela

(48:44):
Cruz gonna play for the rest of the decade?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I think it is a massive failure if we're sitting
here a year from now still entertaining the possibility of
him moving moving positions, which means he's either gonna You're
gonna pass or fail with him a shortstop and he
has to clearly get better, or you make a decision
about him playing elsewhere. But if he plays elsewhere, who
is your opening day shortstop? What do you do with
Matt McClain. Last year he was earmarked as the team's

(49:09):
number two hitter. The Red's number two production was like
the worst in the sport. That can't be the case
this year has Christian and Karnassi on strand exhausted all
of his chances. Are they really gonna go with a
guy who can't hit at third base and key Brian Hayes.
Can sal Stewart make a significant leap in his first
full season? Who are your outfielders gonna be? Can you

(49:29):
really go into next year with a revolving door of
fourth and fifth outfielders that you know, spend time in
Louisville and then come up and then you sign a
guy like a Connor Joe Like. They have a lot
of decisions to make, but first and foremost for me
is who's the big bat, how you gonna get him?
And what position do they play?

Speaker 14 (49:49):
I agree you on harp sent, I mean keep Ron Hayes,
I mean go glove, go glove, like you kind of
need that. But he's swinging the bat.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, he's one of the worst offensive players in the sport.
He is marvelous with the glove, like there's no getting
around that. But how good with the glove does he
have to be? Or I guess the bigger question would
be how what is the bare minimum that you'll put
up with offensively that you go, you know what, he's
on the team and he's in the starting lineup because
he's great.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
With the glove, Like I don't know the game.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I don't know that at a corner position you can
legitimately put a guy out there for one hundred and
forty five games who is an offensive zero. I just
and so the offense is if the answer is, well,
that's what we're gonna do, then where's the offense gonna
come from? Like they were done into a degree this
year offensively by the fact that Christian and karnassion Strand
just didn't work out, because I think everybody was hopeful

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he could hit him twenty five to thirty home runs
and be an offensive force, and he was so bad
they didn't even call him up in September. He was
that much of an afterthought. And so if the offense
isn't gonna come from third base, okay, to me, it's
then got to come from your corner, outfield positions not
as constructed, or it's gonna come from first base. I
guess maybe Sal Stewart. You go, Okay, that guy can

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hit thirty, but are you counting on that? Like, I
want a guy that I know can hit them twenty
eight to thirty two home runs, somebody who provides a
level of protection for Ellie Della Cruz. And they also
need a guy batting second who can get on base,
because I think that was a huge problem this year too,
John Michael, I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
The call man, thanks so much. I love you now
I love you as well.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I find it hard to believe they're not gonna trade
a pitcher, and so if you operate under the premise
that they're not gonna go shopping for you know, Kyle
Schwarber last night in the first hitting hit a ball
to like San Diego. Let's be honest, as cool as
it sounds and as much as it shouldn't be a
non starter, you're gonna lose money if you bet on

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the Reds acquiring Kyle Schwarber. Okay, you're probably gonna lose
money if you're betting on the Reds acquiring Pete a lonzo.
By the way, they should have sign him last off seas.
So how are you getting that slugger? Chances are they're
gonna deal from a place of surplus. Which pitchers are
you willing to give up? And how much are you
willing to compromise your biggest asset, which is your starting

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pitching depth, for the sake of getting a slugger or
do they legitimately look at sal Stewart? Do I think
we're all high on and go, you know, we think
this guy can be exactly what we're looking for, and
so he's going to be our big bat. We're gonna
pla him at first base and then you know, figure
out where you go from there. With Spencer's here, I
think the key Brian Hayes discussion is fascinating because he's

(52:36):
not unlike Billy Hamilton. Right, Billy Hamilton was an amazing
center fielder and there was value in that, but he
was a nothing offensively, a nothing. Now he could run fast,
but that skill doesn't matter as much if he can't
get on base. How much can you put up with
an offensive zero just because he's terrific with the glove.
And let's be honest as cool as it is to

(52:57):
have a guy who's great with the glove at third base,
it is I'm not considered. I think a premium defensive position.
I think that, and I think the Reds told us
when they traded for him, like, we're cool with key
Brian Hayes being the starting third baseman, but in the
games that mattered the most, when he came to the plate,
you knew he had no chance of succeeding. And so

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you're starting a guy next year at third base that
in close games you're thinking, like in the middle innings,
I might have to lift for a pinch hitter. I
don't know, man, this is there's some really tough decisions
to make. Easy decision for us. Robert Wintraub on the show,
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After a week off, our friend Robert Wintraub is here.
He writes a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine. You
can read it at Cincinnati Magazine dot com. This week's column,
as you might imagine, about the dawn the Joe Flacco era.
When I say that, do you still chuckle the way
I do? Forty eight seventy two hours later, if we

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found out he's a solution at quarterback.

Speaker 18 (55:09):
Oh my god. It's it's everything changes overnight with the
dawn of the Joe Flacco era. It's really amazing that
a guy that has Bengal fans we've been conditioned to
loath basically decades now the savior you know from it
out of nowhere trade. It really is amazing and that
just goes to show you what the season has been

(55:30):
like it It turns out a dime and another plot twist.
So that's good for us in the content creation.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
You know, I said all the time, be good or
be interesting, ideally be both got to be one. I'm
not sure how good this is going to be. It's
it's going to be interesting. There is there's a track
record with Joe Flacco, you know, joining a team, being
a quick study and in a reasonably short amount of
time operating the offense. We've seen this happen in other,
you know, situations, very short. A couple of years ago,
Baker Mayfield goes to la on a Tuesday, plays on

(55:58):
a Thursday and wins. Josh Dobbs with Minnesota a few
years ago, gets traded on Tuesday, plays on Sunday and wins.
When this typically happens, how dumb down is the offense.

Speaker 18 (56:08):
Yeah, I remember when Bobby Lane got traded for the
Season's almost the same thing, remember, kids, Yeah, you know
it depends on the quarterback.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Really, right, it's the case.

Speaker 18 (56:19):
My case basis, I think in the case is that
you said it, especially with Josh Dobbs.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
I mean that was.

Speaker 18 (56:23):
Basically they were drawing up the plays in the dirt with.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Six, right.

Speaker 18 (56:27):
I think the value of Flacco, He's had two hundred starts,
he has seen essentially everything there is to see. They're
not gonna run a highly you know, detailed and complicated
offense necessarily with him there. But then again, the Bengals
don't necessarily really do that anyway. There's sort of plan
of attack has always been under Zach Taylor to you know,
kind of out match up teams rather than outscheme them.

Speaker 7 (56:50):
Then it's a broad stroke, but.

Speaker 18 (56:52):
You know, our guys are better on the outside and
we're gonna win that way. And you know, Joe Flacco's
inexperience in the offense doesn't really make too much of
an effort in that context, And I think that's why
he's valuable to them. Picked up a different quarterback off
the scrap heap who happened to be available at this
point in the season.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
We'd be talking it a little bit about it a
little bit differently.

Speaker 18 (57:14):
So I think that is where they thought Flacco was
really the best case for them. Obviously, it's not much
of a not much of a deep pool of guys
who can come in and play that way. But yeah,
I don't think like when Carson Palmer went to the Raiders,
you know, off the retirement demand, I don't think they
really gummed it all the way down because they knew
Carson what he could do and what his strengths weren't

(57:34):
they played to it. It didn't necessarily work out and
wins and losses there, but probably won't hear either. But
I don't think they'll be, you know, just chucking ninety
five percent playbook out and hoping for the best. I
think that's why you have it, Joe Flacco come in.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Of all of the possibilities, some far fetched, some may
be a little bit more serious, was Joe flacko I
think was the most surprising, But was he the best?

Speaker 15 (57:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (57:59):
So, I mean of the realistic ones. You know that
you heard about a lot of ones that were so
far just Twitter Twitter ridiculousness, and Twitter's that in real life.
By the way, follow me on Twitter at Roland a
little self promotion there. And amongst the Blaco talk, I mean,
certainly in a case where you match him up against
the guy like Russell Wilson and the fact that, as

(58:21):
everybody has pointed out, you know, the Bengals offensive line
is deleterious to most quarterbacks health and you just put
them side by side. You got Russell Wilson, who's a
mini me, and he got Joe Flacco at six six,
two forty five, who's a guy has taken a lot
of beatings over the years, but he hasn't been injured
all that often. He just has that body type that
can absorb a lot of punishment. Probably a good thing

(58:43):
because he's probably gonna get somehow in Cincinnati.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
And I think I.

Speaker 18 (58:47):
Don't know how much the Bengals really put that into
their you know, sort of thought process, but it works
out pretty well where sort of the biggest guy available
and the and the you know, just kind of most
physically imposing guy is the guy who also matches up
with what they want to do best. So in that sense,
I think he was by far the best, you know,
and obviously he had this you know, tradition or you know,

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ability to come out of nowhere, literally off the couch
in the case of the Browns, and not only be competent,
but be very good. If the Browns, the Bengals can
run the ball the way the Browns did in twenty
twenty three, even without Nick Chubb that year, they had
a really good ground attack. If the Bengals can have
any semblance of that, that can only make Flacco's life
a little bit easier. But obviously we haven't seen that

(59:29):
thus far, and there's no reason to expect it, certainly
in the next couple of weeks or Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Well, and you referenced the offensive line and the lack
of mobility, and I think for a lot of folks
that means that this is a ticking time bomb.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Is that fair?

Speaker 18 (59:43):
That's a little strong, Like I reference as a guy
who's not really a guy who has been injured like that.
I mean, if that's what you mean, he's going to be,
you know, immediately sacked crumble into fifty pieces.

Speaker 7 (59:53):
And we have to see Jake Brownie again. I don't
necessarily think that's the case.

Speaker 18 (59:57):
I would imagine that the offensive line will continue to
hinder the offense's ability to move the ball with consistency
and efficiency, no.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
Question about that.

Speaker 18 (01:00:06):
I don't know if that's a slow ticking time bomb
or a fuse that's you know, one hundred feet long.
We've seen it all season, and we've seen that a
lot over the past few seasons, so it's it's nothing new, really.
I just don't think that it's like a combination of
his lack of mobility with the Bengals porousness up front,
this automatically going to get him injured. I think Flacosto

(01:00:29):
smart for that. I mean, I just think part of
his ability to still play at this age is his
ability to you know, know, one to fold them, so
to speak, chuck the ball out of there quickly, you know,
check out of plays that are immediately going to get
him killed if he sees it, and you know, get
into a safer play physically, so to speak, and just
you know, play in a certain way that'll insure him

(01:00:50):
of another drive, another quarter or another game, as opposed
to what we've seen that of a lot of other quarterbacks,
even Jake Browning. I mean, he didn't get injured, but
he was just playing with his hair on fire so
much you never you knew what the next play is
going to bring. You won't do that with flackol He
you know, you know what you're gonna get. But it's
not gonna be something where he just like, what is
this guy doing at here? He'll be professional, and he'll

(01:01:10):
be experienced, and he'll get him out of bad situations
as best as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Robert win Trump is with his weekly Bengals column is
up now at Cincinnati Magazine dot com. You referenced in
this week's piece to me, among all the stuff that
happened last week, it's the one that was most frustrating
to me because it answered a question I had all
off season and all off season. You know, you heard, well,
the Bengals just need a league average defense, which sounds
neat right, But regardless of who the quarterback is, can

(01:01:37):
your unit get a stop when the game is hanging
in the balance, and so they they crawl back into
it at least sort of ten and a half to
go fourth quarter. If they get a stop, there's hope
and the Lion shut the door in eight plays and
there were a bunch of mistackles there. And so I
guess there's two different things. Number one, how much has
the defense failed essentially uh in year one of Al Golden?

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And I guess more specifically, they missed a ton of tackles.
Still that was a hallmark of last year's team. It
remains one this year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Why is it?

Speaker 10 (01:02:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:02:11):
I guess if I had the definitive answer to that,
I'd be on the sidelines with them. You see it,
and it's really frustrating, especially the drive that you that
you refer to, where it was just like, yeah, I
mean down eleven with most of the quarter to go,
It's hardly insurmountable, you know, especially in modern NFL. And
it's one thing to give up some points in that situation,
but to have it just break down so completely, and

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so it looked like the Lions were barely trying and
they just waltzed right down the field and scored.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
Really disheartening.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
And it had to be crushing Al Golden because even
with the way the units played so far this season,
you know, he had an opportunity to kind of make
it go away with a couple of stands there and
it just didn't happen. Yeah, the Bengals are tied for
last in the league or first in the league, I guess,
depending on how you want to look at it. In
miss tackles and they're tied with the Jets, And I
think you see a lot of the time times it's

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a question of want to and when the defense knows
the offense is atrocious and they're not gonna you know
that that last drive notwithstanding, they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
Going to have a chance to win games.

Speaker 18 (01:03:12):
You know, the effort in the want to to rally
to the ball and really play with the kind of
speed and violence that you need to play with in
the NFL is is lacking. And you know you have
losing teams missing a lot of tackles. That's not a coincidence.
And usually teams that don't have great offenses missing a
lot of tackles, the Bengals last year again notwithstanding, and
you know it's a little early to look at out

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golden and say, all right, this guy hasn't done anything
and it's been five games.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
I mean, give the guy a chance.

Speaker 18 (01:03:39):
You know, their number one draft pick, a guy that
they're really counting on to you know, help the offense
at the defense in a lot of different ways has
barely played Schamar Stewart and you know, again, everything went
to hell when Burrow went down, and they're all still scrambling.
I think if if nothing else, Flacco can give them
a little bit of ball control, have at least a
little bit of extend drives, you know they had. The

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Bengals are near the bottom of the league also and
just average yards per drive.

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
They hardly move the ball at.

Speaker 18 (01:04:08):
All, and it's just it compounds on a defense and
you know what looks like a lack of effort and
and poor tackling, you know, fundamentals really is a lot
of times just being on the field far too much.
And you know, they have to get out of that
rut otherwise they have no chance.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I've got, like you minted here is the biggest glimmer
of hope, the fact that the AFC, just top to
bottom doesn't appear to be very good.

Speaker 18 (01:04:31):
Yeah, well, it helps, right, I guess it sort of
depends if you really think that this team has any
kind of contention possibility and is it worth being you know,
sort of six and eight and still have a chance,
and it was last.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
Year we all felt. But we also felt that with
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 18 (01:04:46):
All they had to do was get into the playoffs
and then they really had to get crack.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Did they have that? Is Burrow really going to come back?

Speaker 18 (01:04:53):
Are they going to do anything with Joe Flacco even
if they somehow sneak into that seventh wildcard position? And
you know, because the AFC has said, yeah, I mean,
it's it's it's you know, it's better than tanking and
looking already to twenty twenty six. Right, nobody wants to
do that, even though maybe in the big picture it
probably is the thing to do, right because the Bengals
have proven they can only really hit in the draft

(01:05:14):
that they're picking them the top five or eight, so
maybe they should go down that route. But I think
it definitely helps them that and maybe they don't even
make this trade if they don't look around the landscape
and see, boy, nobody else here is really any good.
The Ravens are totally demolished, the Browns of the Browns,
the Steelers nobody believes in, and even the rest of
the af he doesn't look that good. You'll talk about
Daniel Jones being an MVP candidate, So I definitely think

(01:05:39):
that's part of the overall context. And you know, I
think it does give the Bengals a little bit of hope.
But first and foremost, you got to play better before
you can take advantage of other teams being crap. You
can't be direct yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
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After Chicago survived last night to extend that series to
a game four, first pitching that one a little bit
after nine o'clock, our guy, Chase Jamar Chase earlier today
Joe Flacco. Typically the Bengals make their starting quarterback available
on Wednesdays. As you might expect, that didn't happen yesterday.
I'm sure it's been a whirlwin for Joe Flacco. He

(01:08:46):
is going to talk tomorrow. So they made Jamar Chase
available today and here he is sharing his initial reaction
to finding out about the Flacco trade.

Speaker 12 (01:08:56):
Actually didn't know.

Speaker 19 (01:08:57):
I didn't see nothing. He called me first, and I
was like, you be asking me for real? But I
didn't really know what was going on. I thought he
was just playing with me. And then, like I would later,
Zach called me and told me what was going on. So,
I mean, it was just a lot going on. But
I you know, enjoying it. You know, I appreciate organizations
trying to make this work. So got to make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Gotta make it work.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Jamar Chase one where we talk a lot about Joe
Flacco learning the offense and being a quick study and
all the work that goes into that and the fact
that he has done that before. But there is chemistry
and there is timing, and so Jamar talked about the
extra work needed or maybe not needed with his new QB.

Speaker 19 (01:09:38):
I mean, extra work after practice is always the key.
You know, you always want to get bill chemistry with
a new quarterback. But yet we haven't yet did that yet.
But right now, we just throwing ourselves out there and
just getting it done at the end of the day.
That's what they expect us to do, and we gotta
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Sorry, Jamar Chase.

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fiftieth year doing this show in this spot, and it's
always awesome to have you. Although in one league, Dan,
I'm zero to five. I followed every case of advice.
I am putting up big point totals, and I am
still losing the people that find a way to outscore me.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:11:17):
Well, and getting at a pointment where it's like that, well,
you have one less line, don't give up.

Speaker 12 (01:11:21):
You gotta keep that in mind.

Speaker 20 (01:11:24):
I am cutting some bait on some of my teams
as well. The injury tile up some disappoints.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Uh, we'll say, we'll see if we get things turned around.
Let's roll through some We're we're a few weeks in, right,
we're getting set for week six. Give me some some
players who have emerged as early season heroes.

Speaker 12 (01:11:42):
Wow, I mean Pukaku has the top to listen.

Speaker 20 (01:11:45):
One, I mean wide receiver one, probably number one overall pick.

Speaker 12 (01:11:48):
Right now, I'm drafted to You're.

Speaker 20 (01:11:51):
Talking about a dude twenty three plus PPR points and
every single game of the season, and you know, people
were cooling off of it, Man draft because we're worried
about Stanford's.

Speaker 12 (01:11:59):
Being healthy all these things, but uh.

Speaker 20 (01:12:01):
You know, if he got him in a round two especially,
you're probably in first place.

Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
Amiko Kabuka, this was a guy back here in August.

Speaker 20 (01:12:08):
I told you this was my league winning ticket the
position going in the sixth round. Man as he's delivering
big time now. The odds on favorite to win Offensive
Rookie of the Year most sports booking got twenty three
percent target chair, twenty point PPR points per game, a
touchdown eighty nine yards the game.

Speaker 12 (01:12:23):
What more do you want from the rookie? Christian mcchanftery.
Nobody wanted him. He's always hurt, ironically, the only forty
nine or healthy.

Speaker 20 (01:12:30):
And if you throw out all of his rushing stats
and just focus on what he's done as a receiver,
his ninety five point seven PPR points would be the
best receiver.

Speaker 12 (01:12:39):
So that's how good he is. He's RB two.

Speaker 20 (01:12:42):
He's staying at the MVP where if he's probably the
guy that nobody doesn't going to be this good Buttervonte
Bones he finishes RB thirty four in the final month
of the nnft ADP, which is the High States Draft.
He got has been a seventy eight percent running back
rushing chair at four or five games.

Speaker 12 (01:12:57):
He's RB three on the season, and Patrick.

Speaker 20 (01:12:59):
Mahomes he looked pretty good to twenty four plus fantasy
points of four or five games.

Speaker 12 (01:13:03):
It's the rushing for doing it for him. He's leading
the team in.

Speaker 20 (01:13:06):
Most games fifty seven rushing yards and three five three
rushing gunchime.

Speaker 12 (01:13:10):
Already one shot in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Math Let's roll through some critical Week six injuries, starting
with tonight's game between Philly and New York.

Speaker 12 (01:13:20):
Yeah, well, good news.

Speaker 20 (01:13:21):
We'll start there to take one Barkley, he was a
little limit at early in the me.

Speaker 12 (01:13:24):
That looks like he's going to be a fool go.
You'll start him with trust. I've been struggling to run
the ball, that's the problem. But his health will not
be with that knee issue.

Speaker 20 (01:13:31):
He'll play time other running backs. It's not as good
as we talked about every.

Speaker 12 (01:13:36):
Week there's a big name. Good well.

Speaker 20 (01:13:38):
Last week's IR placement is a Marion Hampton ankle injury.

Speaker 12 (01:13:43):
He's got four weeks.

Speaker 20 (01:13:44):
It's a real murky situation in an LA backfield there
for the Chargers. Who's going to emerge Tom Haskins come
on with the doll. I really don't want to.

Speaker 12 (01:13:51):
Have to start either unless the dend. Bucky Irving looks
like he's going to miss a second Street week.

Speaker 20 (01:13:56):
Last week when I was here, I talked about his
foot in everybody actually was a shoulder injury kepting out
of the game.

Speaker 12 (01:14:00):
So it looks like he's going to keep you out
of Gambra. Seawan White flourishing there. Shot m Humper didn't
practice today with the caff issue, likely not the play
versus Dallas.

Speaker 20 (01:14:08):
That means Carolina will turn to Rico Dowell, who went
off last week and out a revenge game at Swords
versus the team who played on as he's very up
filling the man Fantasy Daylen Morrene expected back from the
knee issue. He was a late morning scratch in that
London game before the buye. We thought Kenneth game will
blow up. Now they're both in the mix, so both
could be limited to RB three value. Lamar Jackson didn't

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practice it it's like he's going to miss a second
straight week.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
There for the Ravens. I don't think he's coming back from.

Speaker 20 (01:14:33):
After the by Tyler Murray also signedline today with to
put issue. He started to look really nicy for Arizona
as they traveled Indianapolis this week to Kobe Percent would
start for the Cardinals. In his appen rock Perdy didn't
practice again with the toe injury. I'm not sure why
it wasn't played on the card but a Jent sure
looked good last week.

Speaker 12 (01:14:49):
And if you have to use the need a good.

Speaker 20 (01:14:50):
Spot here versus Tampa uh uh. And then Terry McClure
another receiver there hamstring issue trending towards missing a third
straight team. Brock Powers, I don't think he's coming back
this week, probably not to the week seven by with
his knee issue, and George Kittle at least one more
week away with the hamstrings.

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Brothers the position.

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some Week six studs, duds and sleepers.

Speaker 20 (01:15:19):
Yeah, let's start with the studs. I talked about those Rams.
Let's talk about Matthew Stafford. Three of the five quarterbacks
to face the Ravens this season scored thirty plus Fantasy
points different sit that market.

Speaker 12 (01:15:27):
Each of the Rams fan of two games. I think
he did it again on Sunday.

Speaker 20 (01:15:31):
Jackson Smith and the Jigbook one of the top wideouts
all season.

Speaker 12 (01:15:34):
They're at Jacksonville. I like this game.

Speaker 20 (01:15:36):
The only two scud of whiteout to Jacksonville's faseball seasons
of March Chase and Nigo Conda each broke one hundred
yards and scored a touchdown.

Speaker 12 (01:15:42):
JSM will do the same on Sunday.

Speaker 20 (01:15:44):
My duds, Justin Fields and Denver are excuse me going
against Denver.

Speaker 12 (01:15:48):
For the Jets.

Speaker 20 (01:15:48):
That's the London game this week. Only two teams have
allowed fewer fantasy points to quarterbacks this year, the Broncos,
and no team has allowed fewer than rushing years.

Speaker 12 (01:15:57):
Taf onely given a fifteen rushing.

Speaker 20 (01:15:59):
Yards in perspective on the year fifteen rushing arts. They
faced Cam Woard, Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert, Jake Browning, Jalen
Hurbs that group because the average three yards in game.
So Justin Fields is rushing as a big part of
the floor.

Speaker 12 (01:16:12):
I don't think it's there this week. I don't think
there's much of.

Speaker 20 (01:16:14):
Before with Derek Henry, without Lamar Jackson looking ugly for Baltimore,
we won.

Speaker 12 (01:16:18):
Henry had twenty nine point two PPR points, who was
looking like gold in every game since he's combined for
thirty points. Yeah, it's pretty ugly there. And a couple
of sleepers. Michael Carter in Indianapolis.

Speaker 20 (01:16:30):
He played twenty more snaps than the mccartert last week
and he didn't pumble with the Goldie, So I like
him this week. Maybe not as much as Murray's up,
it's still startable. And Chris Alabbit, the guy that frankly
I was auditioned and telling people stay away from in August.
He's finished all but one game this year, but ten
or more targets. He's also scored a touchdown in that game,

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so he's.

Speaker 12 (01:16:51):
Proven to be pretty useful. I like him in the
wide receiver three if he gave.

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This, would you categorize Joe Flacco as a stud dutters leeper.

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I don't think there's a word that quite cate of
your guys.

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That perrectly, I will say from Fantasy now right Fantasy, Yeah,
I do believe he does raise the poor of the
Bengal high end as at like Jamar Chaseteg and Chase
from the early round pick. I got to think their
floor is gonna go up a little bit as president Hope.

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Yeah, it can't get much longer.

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Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
How are you are yourself? It's been a while.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
How you been downtown?

Speaker 12 (01:20:36):
What I've been fine?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:20:39):
So I think that Joe Flacko's thing may work, and
I'm gonna tell you why.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
Okay, he could be covered too.

Speaker 13 (01:20:46):
And one thing about Joe Flaco, he loved the tighties.

Speaker 19 (01:20:51):
I think the tiers are going to eat and they're
gonna open it up for takes and Tie Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
I think he likes to throw the open guy. And
so for me, we're we're comparing him to horrific quarterback
play the last three weeks. And when I think of
Jake Browning, I think of these last three games, the
amount of times that I saw a guy who was open,
whether it be Chase, whether it be Mike Asiki, whoever
it was, And there have been times where Jake Browning

(01:21:17):
did not even look at him. If if Joe Flacco
gets time, I believe he will throw the ball to
the guy who's open, whether that's Chase or anybody else.
And that sounds like a very basic place to start.
But Jake Browning couldn't do.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
That, and I agree even when he had time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I hope we're right, all right, nice, all right, No,
I appreciate it. I'm like, that's that's the thing here, okay,
Like God knows, we've talked about this all week long.
They were sifting through a bunch of not great options,
like a lot of folks wanted Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Had it been Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Fine, my take was basically, any living breathing human being
that's not Jake Browning and Russell Wilson would have call it.
But the dude has been let go by Seattle, given
away by not given away necessarily, but traded away by Seattle,
like teams don't just trade good quarterbacks. The Broncos said,
now we're good with this, The Steelers said, yeah, we're

(01:22:13):
good with this, and the Giants have said, yeah, we're
good with this. Now we can we can go on
about how those teams may feel like they have upgraded.
But still so, Russell Wilson would have been okay considering
the circumstances. But chances are you weren't getting vintage twenty
thirteen fourteen Russell Wilson. Jameis Winston would have been fun
I'd have had a blast with Jameis Winston, and chances

(01:22:36):
are there would have been high moments. There's a reason
that dude is a third stringer in New York. Joe
Flacco lost his gig. Joe Flacco's old Joe Flacco is immobile.
Joe Flacco couldn't hold down the starting gig in Cleveland.
But the bar is so low, The bar that you're
trying to get your quarterback now to clear is so low.

(01:22:58):
I'll take simply throwing the ball to the open guy.
There's a bit of a ticking time bomb element to
this because of the bad offensive line, Joe Flacco's lack
of mobility, Like that's that's inescapable, literally and figuratively inescapable.
But I'm I'm starting with can can do learn the offense?

(01:23:20):
Can he diagnose what the other team's defense is doing,
which it didn't feel like Jake Browning could. And when
Jamar Chase is twelve yards away open, will Joe Flacco
try to throw Try to throw him the ball. It
may not get completed, maybe he can't get it there.
Though arm strength and Joe Flacco, those things have never
been questioned with Jake Browning the answer was no, So

(01:23:46):
I'll start there. We're this is it's beyond unfortunate that
we're here. The main reason why we're here is Joe
Burrow got hurt. The main reason why Joe Burrow got
hurt as they couldn't protect him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
This is where we are, though, trying to improve upon
quarterback play where the dude couldn't do the absolute basics
where he failed a remedial class in QB play.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
They're fourteen and a half point dogs for a reason.
Green Bay is probably better than they've played the last
two weeks. I don't trust the Bengals defense. They've missed
a lot of tackles. Ryan Rico doesn't look like he
knows how to punt. They can't run the football. The
offensive line is putrid. They would be underdogs in this
game with Joe Burrow, maybe not fourteen and a half.

(01:24:40):
They would be underdogs in this game with Joe Burrow.
Chances of winning this game don't seem great.

Speaker 12 (01:24:49):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I think there's a better chance of watching them compete
with Joe Flacco as opposed to Jake Browning. And in
lieu of Jake Browning, you were gonna get a less
than ideal option a desperate football team. It's a desperate
football team that still sees a path to the postseason.

(01:25:11):
And I get it, Like we may laugh at it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's week six.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Man, if somebody called our show on Tuesday and want
of the Bengals to tank, like you may look at
the bright side of them falling apart and earning a
top five seed. I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine what
it would have felt like to watch the Bengals run
Jake Browning out there because now they're trying to lose.

(01:25:38):
That was not gonna happen. That shouldn't happen. By the way,
you can't say to a head coach you're on the
hot seat and then give him no chance at working
with somebody who might be a better option that that
doesn't work. I'm gonna believe the Bengals have not made
any decision about Zach Taylor's future. You can't say he's
on the hot seat. But man, I wish they would

(01:25:58):
blow the season. That's not fair. So I don't think
the Bengals will make the postseason. With Joe Flacco. I
didn't think the Bengals were gonna make the postseason with
Jake Browning. I didn't think the Bengals were gonna win
a championship with Joe Burrow, but anything but the status
quo had to be what they did, and they have

(01:26:19):
and we'll seem right my expectations. I'm starting from the
lowest possible point. Can Joe Flacco look at Jamar Chase
and go, hey, he's open, Mike, try to throw it
to him. If he can check that box, We'll go
from there. Corey, thank you for your patience. You're on
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 21 (01:26:41):
Hey Mo, thanks for taking my call. I'm a fist
time caller, a longtime listener, and just quickly wanted to
pour one out for Tony Pike. I'm actually a Buckeye
fan up in Columbus, but of course remember the Orange
Bowl in two thousand and eight, and it's got a
kind of followed him ever since. And uh just want

(01:27:04):
to echo some other people and just you know, your
your guys chemistry made me care about ut.

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
And I think that's.

Speaker 21 (01:27:12):
Saying a lot about his talent, both of your talent.

Speaker 12 (01:27:16):
But.

Speaker 21 (01:27:18):
I just just to see him go from that level
of quarterback play and then into this sports broadcasting career.
I just I think it's a huge shame that he's
not gonna be with you anymore and not with the network,
and uh, but I do think, you know, something big
is gonna happen for him. So I just wanted to
shout him out because I think, especially like the Tony

(01:27:39):
and Mo Football Show is one of the best sports
radio shows I've heard in my life, and I've been
listening to sports radio for a long time. So just
the credibility and evaluating and evaluating the game as a
former quarterback, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:27:52):
It goes a long way.

Speaker 21 (01:27:54):
But them bringing the humor and the kind of self deprecating.

Speaker 12 (01:27:59):
Humor and out too is it's huge.

Speaker 21 (01:28:02):
But yeah, I do have a question about Zach Taylor
if you have a second, and kind of in the
spirit of Tony, because I always loved how honest he was,
and I know in your guy's line of business, you
kind of have to tow the line with some of
you know, your rubbing elbows with these people and have
to see him face to face. But it's the Zach

(01:28:25):
Taylor part of all this, and I have a legitimate
question for anyone. It's like, has this guy ever in
his career with the Bengals ever out coached a team,
and that's a legitimate question.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
I'm not even.

Speaker 21 (01:28:37):
Necessarily punching down. I'm going through the rollot X since
he's been here, and I'm wondering if there's ever been
a game that we can honestly say he straight out
coached the other team.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
So I'll answer that first of all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
First of all, everything you just said about Tony number
one referencing the show, thank you. That's kind of you,
and we're thrilled that you've listened. Hopefully you continue to.
And everything you said about Tony, I could not agree
more with. You know, I miss him and I miss
being in here with him, and we miss him at
the radio station, and the idea that we're going to
do a show on Monday not together kills me because

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it's fun, it's also good, and I hate it when
we take away what's good. And Tony is good and
good at what he does, and he makes me better,
He makes the radio station better. I think he makes
football fans smarter. He adds an element of analysis that
you're not going to find anywhere else, and you'll find
it somewhere wherever Tony goes. Because he's going to go

(01:29:37):
somewhere and he's gonna be awesome, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Will be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
A loyal member of that audience. But yeah, man, I
couldn't agree more. As for Zach Taylor, here's here's how
I'll answer that question. I'll give you a specific example
where I think, and I'm not here to tell you
Zach Taylor's a great coach because we've wailed away on
him now for a little bit. I thought the game
in twenty twenty where he had Ryan Finley against the Steelers,
I thought Zach Bak Taylor did a great job of

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just piecing together something that worked. It helped that the
Steelers at that point were starting to trend downward. But
I thought there was that was a night where in
a game that nobody expected them to win in primetime
with Ryan Finley, who would never play another game in
the NFL, the team that night I thought looked ready.
I thought in the postseason, I thought the fact that

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they were able to put together offensive game plans knowing
the offensive line wasn't going to block anybody in twenty
twenty one, where they were sitting down going all right,
our quarterback's going to get hit and get hit a lot,
and he's going to take sacks and he's going to
have to make the right decisions. But to sit down
and come up with a way to beat opponents when
you know your offensive line is that bad, I think

(01:30:45):
that's a credit to Zach Taylor. I think the twenty
twenty three stretch where Jake Browning played here, you have
a quarterback who has never played before and you won games.
I think that is it was a credit to Jake,
a credit to their team. I think that was a
credit to Zach Taylor. I don't know though, that there
are enough examples of that to make anybody feel like,

(01:31:07):
on a consistent basis, he gives the Bengals a tactical advantage.

Speaker 21 (01:31:13):
I completely agree, and I appreciate and pointing out those
specific games because it's.

Speaker 12 (01:31:19):
Been a while.

Speaker 22 (01:31:20):
But to me, it comes down to like the audacity
that he's won like forty years old, and he how
he could believe that he's one of the.

Speaker 21 (01:31:30):
Best thirty two offensive minds in the call of the world.
I just don't understand how he could believe that, because
when you look at his career trajectory, it almost is
like he's fallen upwards and I do appreciate culture, and
I think he's a really good culture guy. But when

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he looked at Martin Lewis's superpower, because that wasn't x's
and o's either, but he got ownership to let him
kind of make this visions, and I don't see Zach.
So he's not bringing the x's and no's, and he's not,
in my opinion, playing the front office to make the
right decisions, whether it's in the draft or free agency
or what have you. But I'll hang up and listen.

(01:32:12):
I appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Okay, I appreciate the phone call and the kind words. Corey.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
I guess I look at it. I look at it
like this. I think, there, this is not the first
time I've said this. This isn't the first season I've
said this. When I think of the last five years
where the Bengals have not had a losing season at
least to this point, during that stretch, I often think

(01:32:38):
of long offensive lulls. And that's even been when Joe
Burrow has been terrific in the middle of great years
with terrific offensive weaponry. And so my take has always
been that it's worth examining whether or not somebody else
calling the plays could improve the offense's overall efficiency. I

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have no remote idea into.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
What goes into calling an NFL play. I don't pretend to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
It's why I'm like the last guy on earth to
ever talk about play calling. But I've watched like a
level of clunkiness that has been there, and I've often
this is something Tony and I have talked about for years.
Does it make sense to just have somebody else call
the play? And if the answer is, well, we'll try it,
but it doesn't work, okay? And so I view Zach.

(01:33:30):
I've viewed Zach as a decent NFL head coach. I
don't really feel that strongly about him, and that's maybe
an indictment against him because he's been here for six
and a half years. After six and a half years,
I should feel strongly. But I do think he's been
a decent game manager. I do think for the most part,
you've seen teams play hard for him. I do think
he has avoided having the team collapse when there's been adversity.

(01:33:52):
Maybe the last few weeks aren't very good examples of that.
My biggest question has always been why doesn't the offense
function at its fullest capability, and is it worth examining
whether or not he should be the guy calling plays.
I I'll look at twenty twenty six this way for
the Bengals to go from what they were at the

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beginning of the year to what they are right now,
to a team that can legitimately go into next season
contending for a championship. I think so many things have
to happen that don't have that much to do with
who Zach Taylor with Zach Taylor's job, like if they
hire a new head coach, Okay, if they keep Zach Taylor.
I think they need a better roster. I think they

(01:34:36):
need a dramatically better defense. I think they need an
improved offensive line. I just this team when Joe Burrow
was healthy. Many of us did not look at this
from the standpoint of them being a championship contender because
the roster was either unproven or deficient or brought too
many guys back from last year's team. I think the

(01:34:57):
Bengals coaching should be examined. I think Zach Taylor is
very much on notice, at least for me, over the
course of the next twelve games.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
But I look more at the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I look more at the inactivity this offseason and the
unwillingness to overhaul the defense, the inability to the front
office to build good offensive lines and protect Joe Burrow.
Those to me are bigger issues, and I look at
those as kind of independent of Zach. I don't feel
that strongly about Zach. I feel more strongly about guys
like Kyle Shanahan because I watched that dude a week

(01:35:28):
ago figure something out against the LA Rams on a
short week, and maybe they should get a head coach
that I feel that way about. But I don't know
man from twenty twenty five to twenty twenty six, I
don't think the biggest change can be head coach if
they change head coaches.

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Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
All Right, J Morrison from Bengals Talk dot Com is
with us because he joins us every single Thursday. Also
part of the Growler podcast, and uh with us because
you know it's Thursday at that time. Hi, Jay, Hey Moe,
as have you noticed this is the building? Are the
guys reinvigorated with the arrival of Joe Flacco?

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
Yeah? I think they are.

Speaker 13 (01:36:57):
I don't think anybody has any delusions of grand or
that he's going to be, you know, the next coming
of whoever, Tom Brady or whatever. But when you're going
as bad as they were, any kind of change can
light a spark. So I think there's there's a lot
of optimism. And I do get the sense that it

(01:37:19):
kind of feels almost like a rebirth for the offense.

Speaker 7 (01:37:23):
We'll see what it looks like. But things were so
bad and even.

Speaker 13 (01:37:28):
They knew that what that fourth quarter was that was
just kind of a cosmetic comeback, and I do get
the sense that there is renewed energy in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Is his lack of mobility compare with that offensive line,
does that make him a ticking time bomb?

Speaker 7 (01:37:46):
It's hard to say.

Speaker 13 (01:37:48):
The experience would let you think that that if he
sees danger coming, he'll get rid of the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:37:54):
But you still get hit after you get rid of the.

Speaker 13 (01:37:56):
Ball sometimes, So that is a concern because is not
just the volume of hits, but he's forty and as
all of us that have crossed that threshold knows, the body,
the body starts breaking down at that time and any
hit can can become a problem. And you've got one
of the most fearsome edge rushers in the league waiting

(01:38:17):
for him and Michael Parsons, so that that part is
a little unnerving. And you know, I know Paul Danner
and I have talked about it on the podcast. We
don't think we've seen the last of Jake Browning throwing
passes for this team. Not that you're wishing any kind
of ill will, but logic would say that that, you know,
at some point Joe Black was probably going to miss
some snaps here, if not a game as this season

(01:38:40):
goes on, that that offensive line just is a little
too leaky to feel really good about putting anybody back there,
especially someone who's as immobile.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
As Joe Flacco. So you're over forty yeah, yeah, quite
a bit.

Speaker 13 (01:38:55):
Like the fifty percent.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
More, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Okay, just figured I figured i'd ask, uh, what's your
what's your take? I thought it was cool that he
made himself available because he had no obligation. What are
your thoughts on how Jake Browning has handled his demotion?

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
I think it's everything you'd want.

Speaker 13 (01:39:13):
You want a guy to be upset and and and
you know, maybe there is a tinge of uh, it's
not all my fault and that, and that didn't sound
the best. But the fact that he talked alone, you know,
he didn't have to do that, and he talked about
how brutal it is. He that you know, when you
get cut, that's really hard, but you don't have to

(01:39:35):
sit there and do meetia and talk about why it happened,
and to get benched in a public way like that,
and then to have to sit there and answer questions
about it. I thought he handled it really well and
and I think he's going to handle it going forward
really well. That's he's a guy that he knows he's
want snap away from being thrown back in there. He
doesn't want it to look like what it looked like
the last three four weeks. So he's going to study

(01:39:57):
and prepare and do everything he needs to do to
to make it look like twenty twenty three if he
does get another chance, instead of looking like weeks two
through five.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
How quote dumbed down do you expect the offense to be?

Speaker 13 (01:40:14):
That's a good question.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
I would say not that much.

Speaker 13 (01:40:18):
Talking to Jamar and Tea today, they were really impressed
with how much Placco knew the offense already, and Jamar
talking in there, he's just like spitting the plays out
faster than Joe Burrow ever did. And they don't feel
like he's a new guy. You know, he's in it's

(01:40:40):
what forty eight hours that he's been learning this, But
you know, when you've been in this league, this in
the league this long, it's all kind of the same.
It's just different terminology, and he is really bright, really smart,
and he's able to translate what this was somewhere else
and learn getting the verbiage down. And I don't think
it could be expanded. I think we might see more

(01:41:02):
under center. We might see some of the things people
have been clamoring for, more play action, more running game.
I'm really interested to see how that's going to look
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
How do you have more of a running game if
you can't run the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:41:15):
Well, more running attempts?

Speaker 12 (01:41:16):
How about that?

Speaker 14 (01:41:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Oh great, I can't wait.

Speaker 13 (01:41:24):
Jay, it's been a struggle. But if you're under center
and I just I don't know. I think this one
change could unlock some things. And if it does go
poorly early, then yeah, it's going to look like the
last few weeks where they're dropping back the throw all
the time. But this I do think that the way
that they would put Jake and Joe and Shotgun as much,

(01:41:45):
that might go away a little bit and it could
could call some ripple changes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
We will see. It's definitely interesting, there's no question about that.
Jay appreciate it as always, Thanks so much. All right,
thanks Bo, that's our guy. Jay Morrison on Twitter at
by Jay Morrison, read him Bengals Talk doc. We are
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Damn Straight, twenty two away from six o'clock. This is
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Speaker 15 (01:43:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
You been doing this show for seven years? Am I correct?

Speaker 12 (01:43:36):
Yes? Eight years?

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Eight years?

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
How many callers when they call the show and don't
get on immediately send you a mean email while they're
waiting on hold?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Only one? Mike? Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
Yeah, Mike, why are sending Tarn mean emails while we know?

Speaker 6 (01:44:00):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
I didn't. No, no, no, he said.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
He's gonna do better. Take Mike's call. He's sent him
a grumpy email.

Speaker 15 (01:44:06):
No I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:44:06):
I said I got some good content for most see
if you can help me get on the show. I
got some content for an MLB playoffs tonight. That's what
I said. It wasn't an.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Okay, the Tarn categorize and now I've gotten some grumpy
emails from you before while you're waiting, so you know,
but that wasn't.

Speaker 15 (01:44:24):
One of them. Just look at it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:27):
Verbatim. So anyway, thanks for letting me on. Thank you Karen.
By the way, I know you threw me under the
bus for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
But now I fear that we have set a precedent
where if you're waiting, you're going to get to the
front of the line if all you do is send
a grumpy email while you're waiting. And so now I
feel like everybody is going to copy this tactic.

Speaker 7 (01:44:46):
Oh no, I'm sorry. Well, yeah, I got a hole
on my leg right now, so I'm a little cranky.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
But anyway, I would be too.

Speaker 12 (01:44:54):
Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 (01:44:56):
Uh you know how you know how they when you
go to these molpe these uh these model home developments,
these new home developments, and out front they'll say.

Speaker 7 (01:45:07):
Built by so and so builder. This is what I
think is they should have parenthetically regarding since he's three
sixty and then in parentheses built by Tony Pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
I think I think that's appropriate. I think that's I
think it is very appropriate.

Speaker 7 (01:45:24):
Yes, thoughts and things happen in threes, right, the Bengals,
Joe got hurt and the Reds crept out in the playoffs,
and now Tony gets the acts. I mean, it's it's
kind of weird how those three things, those that threesome thing.
I've noticed that my whole life. I used to discount,
but now I'm starting to think it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
But I hadn't made that correlation. But maybe maybe I
should have.

Speaker 7 (01:45:49):
Go ahead. That's not that important. It's an interesting facts
on tonight's game with Billy and the Dodgers. Okay, chaoscar
Hernandez is hitting three thirty three with two home runs
in his career against Sanchez. The starter for Phillips, jo
Hey O'tani is hitting just two eleven or for nineteen

(01:46:12):
in his career against Sanchez. Wow. Kyle Schwarber is hitting
is two for thirteen one fifty four in his career
against glass Now, and the only Phillies player to have
gone yard against Tyler glass Now is Max Kepler, who
I thought I saw in some kind of seedy movie

(01:46:35):
one time years ago when they did the credits.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
What's interesting to me is Otani. You know, we saw
him like single handily obliterate the Reds in game one,
and since then he's two for what two for his
last eighteen.

Speaker 7 (01:46:53):
Don't like that? Yeah, it's not good. I can't figure it,
but nobody can figure it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Did you feel like the Dodgers did, did Clayton Kershall
dirty by kind of leaving him out to dry last
night when they brought him in and he had the
disastrous I got one, they brought him in, he got
a great ovation, he had a disastrous eight inning eighth inning,
and it kind of felt to me like they just
they let him wear it in a way that you
don't let a Hall of Fame pitcher wear it, especially

(01:47:19):
at home.

Speaker 7 (01:47:20):
Yeah, I hit mixed feelings on that, because we know
Clayton has a lot of trouble in the postseason. It's
the most strange thing I've ever seen in sports. You know,
It's almost like Jim Kelway. You can be a great
quarterback to regular season, you can't win a damn super Bowl,
but Clayton is just so bad in the playoffs. I've
never figured that out. But I thought it was a

(01:47:42):
little classless that Dave Roberts did that. But I know
Dave Roberts, who isn't a classless guy, So yeah, I
think he was just trying to save as many guys
as he could, and he almost gave up the game
and said, to hell, it will play tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Maybe I just he gave up the homer to Real
Moodo to lead off the eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
They made it for one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
He walked Kepler and then there was an air on Muncie.
They bunt the guy over. Turner gets a hit at
six to one, and it's like, all right, this game
is out of hand. He had already pitched the seventh.
Now he's back out there for the eighth. And then
Schwarber hits a home run off of him, and Clayton
Kershaw is a Hall of Famer and by all accounts

(01:48:22):
like one of the classiest dudes ever. I just thought,
in that moment, all right, you're gonna have to have
somebody else pitch the ninth. I understand, you don't want
to burn every bullet you've got to play the next day.
I just felt like there are a lot of managers
who would have said to Clayton Kershaw, Okay, we're gonna
pull you and not let you wear it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
And that's not what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:48:42):
Yeah, and believe me, believe me. Dave Roberts and the
pitching coach, Mark Pryor had taken a lot of heat
today in the LA time, a lot of heat and
also on a couple of talk shows out there. So
most people are in agreement with you, and I am too.
I don't.

Speaker 12 (01:49:03):
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:49:03):
I'm not really sure that. I thought it was a
little bit for So who do you like tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
I think Milwaukee's gonna close it out. I worry that
that Philly lineup for year behalf. I worry that that
Philly lineupists has started to get going. M h. I
want game fives, like I want in every possible series.
I want a decisive game. So I am, You're not
gonna like it? I am, I am. I am rooting
for a Game five in at least one of the

(01:49:28):
two series. So we have we have that on Saturday.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
Yeah, I do too. But if the Dodgers went and
I won't be mad, of course, anything you got anything
on it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
No, No, I have a I have a Brewers Mariners
World Series wager that I made at the start of
the postseason where those two teams just have to make it.

Speaker 7 (01:49:51):
Yeah, we you and I were in agreement. We both
have that. Yeah, let me ask you this and then
I'll go. I know you gotta go. How did you
end up? Well, we should have ended up the same
with the home Dog for the regular season. If you've
played every day.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Home Dog this year was the best it's been since
you told us about it three or four years ago.
Home Dog this year was awesome, Like it was from
the get go. Uh, it's it's the best piece of
gambling advice I literally have ever heard, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:50:20):
Yeah, and I get it from some guys you would
never ever.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Dream you got it from a guy in prison, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:50:28):
Vito jack Alonia, handsome Italian guy with a wooden lake
from the knee down, and he was about thirty years
older than me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Well, I'm glad he I'm glad he made that positive
contribution to society. Mike, I I do have to run man. Okay,
thanks a lot, buddy. I appreciatere you go.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Did we ever figure out why Mike was in prison?

Speaker 11 (01:50:55):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Tony, you're on ESPN thirty high Tony. I'm sorry, Jason.
I'm sorry, Jason you're on ESPN. Been a long week, Jason,
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:51:05):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Do you sound amazing? What's up?

Speaker 7 (01:51:09):
All right?

Speaker 10 (01:51:10):
So I've been following this on Twitter with Tony.

Speaker 7 (01:51:13):
You know all that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
How's it? How's how's it? How's it going over there
on Twitter by the.

Speaker 10 (01:51:18):
Way, uh fad okay, gotcha, it's bad, yes, but he
posted a tweet and I just wanted to read one
and I sent back to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Him okay and just real quick.

Speaker 7 (01:51:36):
And I lost it.

Speaker 10 (01:51:37):
So long story start, It was like, it's hard to
find Treating people like numbers is no way to operate
a business. It's hard to find, it's hard to find
people that excel at their job. Letting one go is inexcusable.
That's basically what I.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Said, get no argument for me, and and.

Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
That's what they did.

Speaker 10 (01:52:00):
Man. I mean, he was it was part of my day, right,
and I'd come home from work and my wife a kiss,
get her hug, and she knew. For next two to
and a half hours, I'm sitting here listening to the
podcast right and it just, uh, it sucks me. My
My all time favorite Tonati sports thing is pipe.

Speaker 7 (01:52:23):
The beds mm hm, both you and me, both all
time favorite.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
I always remember where I was, what happened seeing that
flag and then seeing him excuse me, jump up and
down after he saw the flag was on the defense
and it and it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
That's all I got I have.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
I have a no I can't add any more to
that that I haven't already I do.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
I do want to know this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
When you come home and kiss your wife and tell
her you're going to listen to a podcast, what is
usually her reaction.

Speaker 7 (01:52:58):
She she knows.

Speaker 21 (01:52:59):
It's it's part of my.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Deal, gotcha? All right? That's the thing, man, you know,
and I said this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
The fact that people feel that way about Tony, that
he was a part of their lives. And you know,
somebody called us yesterday and said, I feel like, you know,
somebody has taken away a member of my family. That
to me, more than anything else, shows you that Tony
did his job. Because that's ultimately the goal here, right,
And I don't know that I've ever achieved it, but
that is ultimately the goal here. Where you want people

(01:53:28):
to tune in, and maybe it's for ten minutes, you know,
during their their ten minute drive home, or maybe in
Tony and Austin's case, it's during Hey, I got thirty
minutes for lunch, and I'm going to turn those guys on.
The idea is to become a part of people's routine
and for the audience to feel like you're a part
of their life, and the fact that you and others
have said that about Tony and that show means that

(01:53:52):
he did his job. I don't know if there's a
better reflection of how well he did his job than that.

Speaker 7 (01:53:59):
Exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:54:00):
I mean, he was he was one of us, the
way you bubble thirty English language and remissed and standpoint,
you know, all that stuff that was just that was
still that was what he was, and they would make
fun of them. And I swore one of these days
I was going to sit there and count how many
times he was a standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
You know, we we all, Jason, we all have our crutches,
and that might have been his. But that's uh, you know,
that's that's part of the fun of listening to a show,
right you. You pick up on all those things, you
pick up on people's verbal tics, you pick up on
you know, the their go to phrases. God knows I
of mine. There are way too many. But I I
hope you stay in the audience of this radio station

(01:54:43):
and at the very least of Sincy three sixty, because
Austin's still there and is going to do a hell
of a job.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:54:49):
I will absolutely continue to listen Austin's a good do
doo terrific.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
All right, man, thanks so much.

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Thanks, all right, there you go, Taren.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
How are we on time?

Speaker 12 (01:55:00):
We're at three minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
I got three minutes? Vinnie? You can have those three minutes?
What's up?

Speaker 15 (01:55:05):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
No, how you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:55:07):
Vinnie?

Speaker 8 (01:55:07):
From me?

Speaker 13 (01:55:07):
Eskate Man, Vinnie, it's I don't want to sound.

Speaker 23 (01:55:11):
Like a broken record, man, but I can't believe this
Tony thing man, And most so you gotta understand, like
I'm going to talk back. I'm an honorary talkback Hall
of Famer. You've got to understand, man, Like Tony's like
a big.

Speaker 13 (01:55:24):
Brother to me.

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
What can we do? Like I'm old enough to remember.

Speaker 23 (01:55:28):
When Eddie was let go and came back.

Speaker 10 (01:55:31):
Can we get him back?

Speaker 23 (01:55:32):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:55:32):
Maybe me you Willie Rocky?

Speaker 21 (01:55:35):
Can we like picket somewhere? What do we gotta do here?

Speaker 15 (01:55:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
I think that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Right as somebody in the audience, you you feel helpless, right,
Like that's that's the worst part decisions made and you
feel you feel helpless.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
I don't I don't have the answer to that. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
What we do is we give folks a chance to
let their voices be heard. And I'll say this, Nobody
since this happened on Tuesday has told me what I
can and can't say. Nobody has told me not to
take phone calls. Nobody has told me to tell people
not to talk about Tony. And I think that's a
credit to the people that I work for here, because

(01:56:14):
I don't think that's always the case. I know that's
not always the case in terms of what you could do.
I'll tell you this, follow Tony and wherever he goes next.
Consume his content, be in his audience, support him, and
if that's at a competing medium, then so be it.
When they let him go, they gave him an opportunity

(01:56:35):
to go work for a competitor. And I would certainly
not get in the way of anybody who said, I
want to go watch and listen to Tony whatever that is,
whatever that looks like. He is gonna do the football game,
So he's going to be on the air with Dan
and myself on Saturday. I can't wait for that. Consume that,
and beyond that, I don't know I have. I have

(01:56:57):
survived for twenty eight years because for the most I
have spent very little time. Uh worried about or invested
in the decisions made by management. But but if anybody
asked me my opinion and says like we have a
chance to get Tony back, I I'd be the very
first one to say, well, how can I help make

(01:57:18):
that happen?

Speaker 9 (01:57:20):
How about this?

Speaker 23 (01:57:20):
Yeah, how about you me, Austin, Tony, we start our
own radio station.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Okay, all right, I'm in start our own You got it?

Speaker 12 (01:57:32):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
We got it? Did Tara come to.

Speaker 7 (01:57:36):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Okay? All right, Vinny let me know, Okay, I'm on it.
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
All right, We're gonna uh, We're gonna start our own
radio station tomorrow in this time slot will be Bengals
bet rally and and let's be honest, I think for
all parties involved, that's probably for the best. Chad is
in for Austin tomorrow and since from noon to three

(01:58:02):
we have a show in Westchester on Monday at Twin Peaks.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
This is absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
I'm gonna be having a few beers at Belterra Park
tonight for the Thursday night game in the baseball games.
Come on out and have one with me. We will
talk to you on Monday. Have a great week. I
really do appreciate everybody's words about Tony and the radio
station and the staff here. Thanks to Taram Bland for
producing this show and putting up with as much uncertainty

(01:58:37):
and chaos as the rest of us. We're back Monday,
have an awesome weekend. Thank you very much for listening,
and I truly do mean that, thank you very much
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