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and I didn't. I could have swore I told those
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Hope you had a great weekend on Moegar. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. Hopefully again you
had an awesome weekend, and hopefully your week is off
to a great start. There's a lot of ground to cover.
We've got the NFL playoffs, which this weekend. We're awesome
and yet agonizing. More on that in just a few minutes.

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We have an NL Central team doing what it can
to get better. Spoiler alert, that team is not the Reds,
although they did make a pretty good free agent signing yesterday.
We'll get to that coming up a little bit later
on The Bearcat game yesterday followed to a degree a
familiar script. Another game there for the taking and the

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closing seconds, Another game the Bearcats do not win. They
are now eight and eight, zero and three in the
Big Twelve, after losing another heartbreaker to UCF yesterday. And
it just the repetitive nature of these games and the
fact that they keep losing these games the way they
do has not made the pain, so to speak, any

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less numb. And it has not numbed the pain, so
to speak. I feel for the players. I feel for
us as fans, but I feel for the players because,
as much as no He wants to hear this, it's
not a group of dudes who are loafing. It's not
a group of guys who aren't playing hard. It's not
a group of guys who are seemingly disconnected with each other.

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It's a team that I think you are seeing full effort.
There's execution problems. They didn't defend well yesterday. They certainly
didn't defend as well yesterday, as they have for most
of the season. I put this on social media. If
you would have told me yesterday morning, the Bearcat's gonna
score seventy two points against UCF on the road, I
would have said that's probably gonna be enough to win.

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And yet they don't. The results just aren't there, and
so many of these games in a vacuum are completely forgivable.
So many of these games in a vacuum not that
big of a deal. Losing by a point on the
road to a ranked team in the Big Twelve is excusable, forgivable,

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not that big of a deal, as is losing at
home to Houston, as is frankly losing on the road
to West Virginia, And any one of these losses they've had,
even going back to the first one against Louisville in
a vacuum can be explained. Even Eastern Michigan, you know what.
It happens. Occasionally you lose a bye game. Cincinnati basketball

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has not lost many, but it does happen. Doesn't have
to ruin your season, doesn't have to torpedo your season.
Doesn't have to be something you can't recover from or
make up for. It happens losing the Xavier game. Look,
it's a road game to an arch rival. Xavier's a
Big East team. You know what, in a vacuum, painful

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in a vacuum, maybe discouraging, but in a vacuum understandable.
Same for losing effectively a road game to Georgia, good
Georgia team. Same for losing effectively a road game to Clemson.
But you add all of them up and it's eight losses.
You add all of them up, and how they lose
doesn't matter as much. The fact that the effort has

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been there doesn't matter as much. You add them up,
and it's eight losses with fifteen regular season games in
the Big twelve to go, including a game on Wednesday
at home against a pretty good Colorado team, and then
back to back games against a terrific Iowa State team
and the best team, or at least the time rag

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team in the country, Arizona, a week from Wednesday. So
just I guess what you wonder is this? And we'll
have some Wes Miller postgame audio because that's been a
recurring theme. I thought Wes Miller in the postgame show
yesterday was terrific because he sat down with Dan Horde
and Terry Nelson and talked about the game and strategy

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and some things that it could have gone different, some
things that went well. The thinking on the last possession
of the game where Jalen Celestine is a very good
three point shooter, but that's not the shot that I
think anybody wanted the Bearcats to take, even though it
came this close to going in. But last week when
we were playing the West, Miller audio from his postgame

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after the West Virginia game and the post game after
the Houston game, and he's emotional and sounds like a
guy who just feels the walls closing in and taking
shots at critics from the outside, and all of which
he has apologized for. And that's fine. But my counter
to that was that I think most of the criticism
has been fair. Most of the criticism aimed at him

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and the program has been based on results and have
been I think fair. I think the criticism and the
observations that people have made have been fair. I said
last week, I don't think anybody's watched the Bearcats and
have said, well, they don't play hard. They do. That's
not been an issue. But what you wonder is and
I think you would wonder this about a lot of

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college basketball teams, especially in this day and age, down
the stretch. If this continues to unfold the way it
has for basically the entire season, they indeed hang together.
When will the effort be compromised? Will the effort be compromised?

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So far that hasn't happened. But like human nature does dictate,
whether it's sports or otherwise, you work hard, you come close,
you get discouraged, You come close, you get discouraged. You
try again, you come close, you get discouraged. At some
point that discouragement is going to pile up and maybe

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the effort's not quite going to be there. And I
do fear that, and I would say that about any
team in the country, because yes, in this day and age,
especially when there's conjecture about the coach's future in this
day and age, and it's the portal and you could
leave without restriction. You do wonder as this unfolds, will
there be players who start to, I don't know, play

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with an eye towards what's next, and when that's the
When that's the case, and when that's happening, effort tends
to be compromise. So I think, unfortunately, that's kind of
the next thing here. And again, man, there's been nothing
that the Bearcats have put on the floor in sixteen
games that would suggest that's a likelihood. But again, human nature, man,

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you know, if Owen three in the Big twelve turns
into to six, and if a whole bunch of losses
that were close in games that they barely barely lost,
if that continues at one point, at what point, And
I know Tony has talked about this, but at what
point do you go, you know what, the effort's not
quite there. More on that coming up a little bit

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later on. We have, or we'll have by the end
of tonight, a final four in the AFC. We have
one more wild card game, concluding what has been an
awesome weekend so far of NFL playoff games. Now that
the game last night between New England and the Chargers
felt like a preseason game, justin Herbert loses again in

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the postseason. The offensive line is atrocious. Even though Chris
Collinsworth on NBC last night kept making excuses for the
offensive line that game wasn't very good. The other four
were terrific. But we're going to have a final four
by the end of tonight in the AFC that will
include a Patriots team that was mostly untested during the

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regular season. I'm not sure they were tested all that
much last night, a team that last night looked stuck
in the mud offensively. Denver gets a bye Round one.
They are home dogs, or at least opened up his
home dogs in the divisional round against Buffalo getting a
point and a half. That team has about as inconsistent

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an offense as you will find. They'll play a Bills
team that wins a thriller yesterday in Jacksonville with Josh
Allen doing pretty much everything you could ask the current
face of the league to do. But it's an offense
that all season long has had a hard time getting
any sort of downfield threat to emerge. The Texans are

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going to play tonight. Texans are road favorites against Pittsburgh
a bad offensive line and at times a shaky offense.
Or the Steelers win at home tonight with a more
than shaky offense and a defense that, for much of
the season, while expensive, has shown signs of underperformance. And

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I'm being very gentle there point being this games this
weekend were a blast. Games this weekend were very entertaining.
Games this weekend may or may not have been profitable
for you, but I think as you watch the AFC unfold,
and maybe to a degree, the NFC as well, it
is a reminder of how painful this Bengals season was. Because,

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holy hell, there was an opening. There was an opening
for a team with an elite offense and a world
class quarterback. There was an opening for a team that
has guys who have played in the playoffs before. There
is an opening for a team that has a terrific
offense and here I'll do it, a league average defense,

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and the Bengals couldn't take advantage. It is maddening, maybe
more than anything else about this season. What is most
maddening to me is the AFC felt and was wide open.
Sometimes the playoffs in this sport and others, is about

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the team emerging that's the healthiest or that has the
fewest flaws, and the sport that is kind of defined
by flaws. But we are still talking about and this
is not to take anything away from what those organizations
have accomplished. We are still dealing with for by the
end of tonight, what will be for pretty flawed teams
in the AFC. There was an opening for a team

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with an elite offense and the great quarterback. The Bengals
still couldn't break through. Maddening. I say, maddening five one, three, seven,
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a few more minutes on the playoffs because I have
a question about Zach Taylor. We have to talk about
handshakes later on. And National League Central team has gotten better,

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it's not the Reds. We'll spend some time on that.
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Hopefully had like the most awesome weekend of all time.
We got some red stuff to do in the next
hour as we enched closer to spring training. Five three seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. We did
the big Duke Tobin Mega press conference on Friday and

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we had good reaction to it. Kelsey Conway, as always,
was terrific. She joined our show from the venue originally
known as Paul Brown Stadium. Our friend Robert Wintroup from
Cincinnati Magazine also joined us, and we talked about what
Duke Tobin had to say on Friday, what he did,
he didn't say, what he did say, and the conclusions
that I think are fair for most fans to draw

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based on that press conference. The biggest one was obviously
that the status quo is going to remain with the
status quo. I do think it's cool that he did it,
and I hope that that becomes a regular thing at
the end of every season, maybe once during the season,

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perhaps an occasional availability during the off season that's not
at the combine. It doesn't have to be an hour
long event. It doesn't have to be the sort of
event where people who don't cover sports show up and
ask questions like it wasn't that bad? Like I don't know.
I don't know if anybody decided I'm done with the

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Bengals based on the Duke Tobin press conference. I don't
know anybody who is a ticket holder, a customer of
the Bengals based solely on the Duke Tobin press conference,
decided to not be a customer the Bengals anymore. There
are lots of people who have decided to not be
Bengals customers. I don't know that anybody decided I'm out

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because of one Duke Tobin press conference. So I do
appreciate the level of transparency that was there, but it's
frustrating to think about a front office that has, you know,
sort of taken all the good vibes and all the
residual good feelings that came out of back to back
appearances in the AFC title Game and kind of washed

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them away with free consecutive non playoff seasons and with
a team this year that failed as a result at
least largely as a result of them not fixing things
that were busted from the previous year's team. But we're
gonna see a lot of the same We're gonna see

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the same head coach. I was thinking about this. You know,
many have lumped Duke and Zach in with each other,
and when it comes to, like I don't know as
signing blame, I'm I lean a little bit more towards
the front office and the roster construction that I do
how the team was coached like Zach Taylor. And maybe

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this is as damning of an indictment against him as
one could express, But Zach Taylor, my feelings are kind
of lukewarm. If they decided to move on from him,
wouldn't think it was some miscarriage of justice. I'm not
sure that I would feel like they allowed some coaching
genius to get away that now the rest of the

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league is going to push each other out of the
way to go get Although I do think it would
have been interesting in this particular coaching cycle to see
how much interest there would be in Zach Taylor if
the Bengals let him go, because a lot of the
candidates out there are well, frankly to a degree, kind
of underwhelming. At the same time, the team has had

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some success under Zak. They did have four straight winning seasons.
There have been times where I felt like coaching was
a reason for the Bengals having some success. I do
look at it this way, though. I look at the
NFL and I watched the playoffs this weekend, and I'm like,
I'm watching the forty nine ers yesterday, name an important
forty nine Ers player, and they have missed time this year,

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and yet it feels like they just figure out a
way to make it work. They I thought, yesterday out
eagled the Philadelphia Eagles. Yesterday they lose George Kittle during
the game. He's not going to play the rest of
the season. The list of players the forty nine Ers
have had to make do without is exceptionally long, Yet

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they went into the final week end of the regular
season with a chance at the one seed, and they're
back in the divisional round. Like Kyle Shanahan, and there's
lots of candidates for cod the year, he would get
it if I had a vote or if I was
in charge, But there is a clear advantage he gives

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the forty nine ers because of creativity and the ability
to just sort of figure out a way to make
it work no matter what he has or doesn't have.
Could you say the same thing about Zach Taylor. I
watched Ben Johnson and I don't care that much about
his handshake that really wasn't a handshake with Mount Lafleur.

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But there's clearly some schematic coaching advantage there that the
Chicago Bears enjoy. And there's Mike Vrabel with a clear
coaching identity, one of toughness, motivation. Like I don't know
that the Patriots have an awesome roster. I fully agree

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with those who say put him in a different division,
and chances are the record ain't close to what it
was in the AFC East. But I think, like in
our mind's eye, whether it was in Tennessee or this year,
in New England. You kind of have an idea of
what a Mike Vrabel coached team looks like. The Denver Broncos,

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who I saw someone this morning describe them as the
weakest one seed we've had in a while. By the way,
Mike Vrabel's twenty twenty one Titans might have something to
say about that. Sean Payton's going to the Hall of Fame,
very good offensive mind, Tamiko Ryans, who I think is great,
lauded for having a great defensive mind, and the Texans

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play a brand of defense that some have alleged you're
not allowed to play anymore. What advantage does Zach Taylor
give the Bengals? And when you asked that question, I'll
be honest with you, it's kind of hard to come
up with an answer. I don't do this gratuitously because
there have been a lot of things that the Bengals
have accomplished well. Zach has been the head coach that

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I have been more than willing, more willing than many
to give him credit for where they've won with backup quarterback,
so they've you know, found a way to stay in
the hunt. When you know Joe Burrow got hurt the
Jake Browning year, that sort of stuff. But does he
give them the sort of advantage that many of the

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head coaches I just mentioned give their teams seven years
in his coaching tenure, it doesn't feel like the answer
is yes. I can't like I say that as the
guy who has never yelled on screen that Zach Taylor
should be let go. But as I watch some of
this stuff unfold this weekend and I see some of

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these coaches and some of these teams with their coaches
who I think it's It's abundantly clear, by the way.
In some cases, it's clear what weaknesses their head coaches
bring to the table. Like Mike Tomlin, for all of
his acclaim and all of his accomplishments in this league,
I think at times has put the Steelers at a
disadvantage because he's not a great game manager. I think
there's something to that. I can also then go on

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to tell you about all the good things that Mike
Tomlin brings to the table that the Pittsburgh Steelers have
enjoyed for a very very long time. But with a
lot of these teams that are still playing, and even
some of them that are not there seems to be
something that you know, the head coach gives them that

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feels like it's been missing here. Three thirty five one
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but we are looking forward to it. We'll get past
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fifteen thirty. One of my favorite things from this weekend.
I love it on social media when you get lessons
in sportsmanship, which, if you think about it, place on
Earth you go to find people being good sports about
anything our social media, Like there's the next person to tweet,

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you know about a game that third team lost, like hey,
great game, congratulations to the team that beat us. The
next person to do that on social media will be
the first, especially on Twitter. But Saturday night, Chicago wins
an epic game. They come back from down eighteen at
the half, beat the Packers, and immediately after the game,

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you know that the two coaches meet at midfield. They
are supposed to I guess shake hands, although there's no
rule that says they have to, and Ben Johnson gives
like the quickest most meaningless handshake to Matt Laflora of
all time. And then, of course social media late on
Saturday and on Sunday, no shortage of people out there

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giving us sportsmanship lessons and telling us how classless Ben
Johnson looked. Although I guess Matt Laflora did this when
Green Bay to beat Chicago during the regular season. These
are two coaches who don't like each other, and I'm
here for it. I think the handshake, for the most part,
is performative in college basketball. Whenever there's an issue between

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two teams, often it's in the handshake line. There's nothing
in college basketball that says you have to shake hands
with the opposing coach. Nothing in the college basketball rule
book that says the two teams have to shake hands
with each other. It's performative. In ninety nine percent of
the time, nothing bad happens, But sometimes bad things do
happen in the handshake line. And that's when people like

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me go, oh, do we have to do this? In
the NFL, there's no rule that says you have to
shake coaches or shake hands with the other coach, but
they did. I guess if you were looking for, like, well,
at the very least touch hands with the other guy.
Ben Johnson did that. I am completely and totally here
for two guys who don't like each other pretty much

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showing each other that they don't like each other. Like
we build up rivalry and we build up, you know,
distaste and hatred that one organization has for the other.
Here it's legitimate. I used to say this ten years
ago at the height of like the Bengals and Steelers
hating each other, and you had like Steelers players were
sending tweets to Vontes Perfect and I'm like, dude, this
is it. This is what I want. Like we as

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sports fans, we want these guys to dislike each other.
Ben Johnson and Matt Lafleura dislike each other. Why should
they do something that's totally performative, like if they genuinely
dislike each other. Now, there are NFL head coaches who
do like each other, where there's you know, there's commonality.
Maybe they've worked with each other, maybe one has worked
for the other, maybe they're just buddies, maybe they played

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with each other. When you don't have that and instead
it's two guys who genuinely dislike each other. I don't
need some sort of pretend show of sportsmanship that's not
at all authentic or genuine. And that's what that would be.
If he did anything but just blow past the dude,
that would be performative, doing something that doesn't matter. Instead,

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show me how you really feel about the guy. And
the coach of the Bears did that with the coach
of the Packers, Ben Johnson and Matt Lafleur. Love it.
I'm here for it, absolutely here for it. By the way,
I would be willing to bet that if you asked
most NFL head coaches, if you had your way and
you could get away with it, and by get away

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with it me not be asked questions about it. Would
you want to shake hands with the coach on the
other team or just do what Belichick did at the
end of that one Super Bowl and just walk off
the field. Most would say walk off the field. I
think even better though than an on handshake is what
you got from those two guys. Love it, but no
shortage of sportsmanship lessons on social media as a result.

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Eighteen away from four o'clock. So a National League Central
team is trying to get better, and I think they have.
It's not the Reds. We'll discuss next on ESPN fifteen.

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This report Asia so our first Monday not together since
uh well Tony always misses the first show of the year,
and then he missed the one week when he got fired.

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Sorry, it's true. Unfortunately righted that wrong.

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But I've spent sixteen of the last eighteen Mondays with
Tony and so to not be a twin peaks. Yes,
it's a bummer. You can blame the Bengals. By the way,
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is going to be Cincinnati's new defensive coordinator. He has
been Army's defensive coordinator since twenty twenty. The Black Knights
this season were seven and six and won their Bowl
game over Connecticut. Army led the nation and total defense
two years ago, with the leading red zone defense and
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in twenty four. Reading this from Scott's Peace, So, Nate
Woody replaces Tyson Vite as the new defensive coordinator at
the University of Cincinnati. Let's see, let's take some phone calls.
How about that? Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen
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this offseason? And what other teams in the National League
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I'm okay in our post holiday depression cut out man.
You know, January February. What are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's tough. These these are the dog days. Yeah, these
are the dog days.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Weather it's not bad. I mean, I'll take fifty fifty works.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Fifty works, and you know, I think I think we're
closing in Jim. As you know, I get off work
at six o'clock, so during the like absolute worst of winter,
I drive home in the darkness, I think, and I'll
see this today at six o'clock. I think we're getting
to the point, we're maybe not quite there yet. When
I get in the car at like five after six,
maybe traces of daylight, which tells me spring will be

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here soon.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Well, I think on December twenty first, that's the lowest
point that the sun is in the sky. So it's
been it's been rising. Yes, I don't want to make
this end too. A science class.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Probably more interesting than anything I have to say. But
what's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (32:14):
This is true? Well, you know, I'm pretty much disliked
on sinenty three sixties, so I thought i'd call in nice.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Why do those guys dislike you, Jim?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Because I'm a goof? Because I lay really stupid talkbacks? Yeah,
I actually have a fan base out there. People call
on talkbacks and go ooh, jumy moover they like they
totally like just me and me or whatever you want
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
So well, imitation is the greatest form of flattery, and
it would be hypocritical, And it would be very hypocritical, Jim,
for me to dislike anybody who's a goof. So uh,
you are welcome here anytime you'd like to come in.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
There you go. And that's not why I called. The
reason I called. I thought about this a couple of
weeks ago. Have you noticed that Jamar Chase doesn't run
his mouth like he did in twenty twenty, twenty one,
twenty two, But dude, he said run his mouth all
the time every weekend about the opposing team and their defense.

(33:22):
So my question is he seems really chill and press
conferences and he doesn't run his mouth anymore. And the
reason I called in is because you were talking about,
you know, the handshake, and you'd like to see it
a little bit more. What's the word like aggressive behavior

(33:45):
towards your opponent, opponent and stuff. So my question is,
why do you think Jamar Chase has been so chill lately?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, he did get suspended this year for spinning on
an opponent, so chill is a relative term.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
True, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I don't know. I don't know. If it's maturity, I
don't know. If it's the fact that he hasn't been
playing on, you know, very good teams the last few years,
I don't I don't know. I I have noticed that,
and I don't think Chad. I don't think Jamar's ever
been like a trash talker on the level of let's
say Chad Johnson, where it felt like for years during

(34:22):
peak Chad. You know, every single week we're bringing out
the list of cornerbacks who can cover him. He's mailing
pepto business. I mean, we've never gotten to that point.
But yeah, I think Jamar, for a guy who does
speak regularly with the media, he has toned that down
and again, I don't know why doesn't bother me when
he talks trash. Doesn't bother me that he doesn't. But

(34:44):
I have noticed it. I don't necessarily know that I
can pinpoint an exact reason for it, though.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Don't you think Chad was doing that as a Hollywood act?
No question he was. He was definitely wanting like national attention,
no promotion, atension off the football field. He wanted to
like didn't he end up getting a couple of TV
shows and stuff like that. He was doing all that
for shock value and he got what he wanted. He

(35:13):
got popularity out off the football field. But Jamar I
used to sit there in like twenty one twenty two,
and I used to sit there and hear like on
your station like Jamar said this, And I'm sitting in
my car going Jamar, just shut your mouth, man, all
you're doing is firing up the other team.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just shut up.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, And he has he has lately so interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
No, I mean, aside from the Jalen Ramsey incident, we
have not talked about anything besides Jamar Chase's play and
his contract for the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Don't you think the Jaalen saying I truly believe Jalen
said something that was like so offensive even among people.
You know, I'm trying to dance around this. I think

(36:19):
Jalen said. I think you just won't say.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I think Jalen Ramsey probably said something to provoke Jamar Jase,
and that may not excuse what he did. I absolutely
do not believe that Jamar decided to just randomly spit
on the guy. I think he was provoked. Now again,
I think spinning on somebody is pretty much the lowest,

(36:44):
the lowest thing you could do to another guy. But
I mean, if.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
You're provoked, knowing, knowing, if he says nothing about his
mom or his culture, I don't know, dancing around words,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Don't I don't know what he said. What's amazing to
me is with so many mics and NFL films, you know,
doing what they do with every NFL game, that that
hasn't come out. And I don't want to relitigate something
from two months ago. But yeah, I mean, I I
know what I know about Jalen Ramsey, and I know
he is a trash talker. And look, he once made

(37:21):
the most mild mannered receiver of all time. Aj Green
get into a fight. So my guess is when Jamar
did what he did, he was provoked and may not
excuse the spitting itself, But I refuse to believe that
that Jamar just decided I'm gonna go ahead and randomly
spit on this dude.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Do you think officials have the uh? Do they have
the authority and give someone I ejected from the game
if they overhear something that's completely out of mound.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You can throw a flag, yes, which is not something
you see all that much of anymore. But a few
years ago, the NFL allowed the official to throw flags
based on language used from you know, one player to another.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Right, I don't know. Back to my core message, I guess.
I guess Jamar has matured in this leg and doesn't
feel like he needs to call out cornerbacks and safeties
on the other team like he used to. So I
think I think that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, No, it's been Jim, thanks very much. There's Jamar
was quiet this year. I can't recall, uh, with the
exception of the spitting incident, which was a big deal
because Jamar missed a game, I can't recall anything that
Jamar Chay said this year that generated any conversation on

(38:50):
our show, or that moved the meter, or that angered people,
or that provided bulletin board material for the other day.
And by the way, when he when he when if
he were to do that sort of stuff, I don't care.
Like sports are entertainment, these guys are in the entertainment business.
I think public trash talk is entertaining. I think it
gives us something to talk about, So it doesn't bother

(39:10):
me when those things do happen. But yeah, I would
imagine there's at least been some level of maturity here
that we've seen over the last couple of years that
maybe has compelled Jamar to not necessarily talk as much,
or maybe he is one of the focus to solely
be on his play. And Jamar was excellent this season.
It does go to show how good he was last

(39:32):
year that his numbers this year pale in comparison, But
Jamar was Bengals have a lot of problems, a lot
of problems. Jamar Chase is obviously not one of them.
Uh five point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty eight.
You could call this show and be a goof anytime.
By the way, we we we I don't know that
in the history of this show nineteen years now, I

(39:54):
don't believe we've Now, we Tony and Austin used the
talkback feature in ways that we because that is their
piece of real estate and they're awesome at it. We've
never banned in I don't believe we have ever banned
a phone call. We've never I don't believe we have
ever said to anybody. I kind of feel about phone
calls the way I do blocking people on Twitter. I

(40:15):
checked this like a month or so ago. In the
years I've been on Twitter, I have blocked nine people,
and I feel the same way about phone calls. I
don't know why we got off on that couple away
from four o'clock. We are here till six, not blocking anybody.
I'm Moeger, glad you're with us today. Five win three
seven four nine fifteen thirty. Is our phone number eight

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sixty six seven oh two three seven seven six as
well on ESPN fifteen thirty, teen thirty where Bengals Nation lives. Yeah,
that's us. Thank you four four ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger,
thanks for listening today. Hopefully the afternoon is treating you well.
This microphone stakes. I'm not I'm saying that it's Tony's fault.

(41:01):
And the microphone smells. We occasionally, look, it's it's a
device that people talk into for six hours a day.
Invariably after a while, it's going to smell. And and
this I think this particular microphone, I think we have
reached the point where it's time to swamp it out.

(41:22):
We got we got a room with like one too,
like five other microphones we could we could take the
one that's to my right and put it this one.
I mean you could even see it's got like gunk
on it. It's it's time. I don't know what you
do to clean a microphone, not that technically adept, but
there'll be some money in that event. Some Yeah, I'm
sure there's I mean, I'm sure, like if you asked

(41:44):
a sound engineer or or you know, somebody in our
shop that you know, what's the best thing to use
to clean off a microphone, they'd have something. I don't
know if it's something as simple as like a chlorox wipe,
but there's a fair amount of gunk is accumulated on
this mic and it stinks, and so it's it's time.
For a new one. It is time for a new one.

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Let's see, we're gonna preview what is going to be
an awesome event coming up a little bit later on
this week here in in just a few minutes. More
on the NFL playoffs from over the weekend, a few
leftover thoughts from the Duke Toobin Mega Press conference on Friday,
and some more college basketball as well. Reds Fest is

(42:30):
this weekend and we'll do Reds Fest and then we're
going to turn the page very quickly and spring training
is going to be here, and if you're like me,
you can't wait. Now. In the National League Central, the
Chicago Cubs have signed Alex Bregman and he's going to
play third base for him. They also late last week

(42:54):
acquired Edward Cabrera to bolster their starting rotation, a twenty
seven year old righty who has pitched kind of under
the radar, certainly last year under the radar for the
Miami Marlins. Chicago Cubs are going for it. Kyle Tucker
is still unsigned. We'll see where he ends up. I
read a piece today at ESPN dot com that took

(43:16):
a look at all thirty teams and ranked them, and
you know, with each one of them discussed whether or
not the team has gotten better. They take a look at,
you know, different projection models out there. So for the
Chicago Cubs, in all the simulations that ESPN's model has
put them through, their most recent was eighty five and

(43:37):
a half wins win average this year, eighty seven point
four in the playoffs sixty two point two percent of
the time prior to these two acquisitions, fifty three point
six in their power rankings, which are totally subjective. Eighth,
the Reds, by comparison, twentieth with a win average of
seventy nine point two chance of making the playoffs. That's

(43:59):
just under twenty three percent chance of winning the World Series.
That's point five percent. It is January the twelfth, so
the Reds last played the game on October the first,
so more than three months. Uh. They did sign a
good reliever in Pierce Johnson, who I do think, excuse me,

(44:20):
helps out their bullpen depth. But on January the twelfth,
looking at the roster where the big offseason acquisition has been,
JJ Bleda, does it feel like the Cincinnati Reds have
a better team today than the one that walked off

(44:42):
the field after losing to the Dodgers in Game two
on October the first. If the answer is yes, I'd
love to know why now. There is obviously some time
to go between now in Opening Day. There's obviously some

(45:02):
time to go, though not as much time to go
between now and the start of spring training. There are
still some trades that could be made a Euhanio Suarez
is yet unsigned. He may go to Boston to replace

(45:23):
Alex Pregnant. But this offseason is three plus months old,
and while they took the much needed and significant step
of finally qualifying for the postseason last year, it was
still an eighty three win team far from great. It

(45:45):
was still a team that went into the postseason barely
getting in and wasn't really taken seriously as a bona
fide championship contender. There was the flirtation with Kyle Schwarber,
which was equally fun and frustrating, But what was an
acknowledgment that they have a major issue when it comes

(46:05):
to their offense. Beyond that, not been a lot of news.
Beyond that, not been really anything to make you feel
like their biggest issue last year has been solved. Nothing
really done to make you feel like, this team has
a chance this season to be significantly better than last season,

(46:30):
and more than anything, a strategy that feels hope based.
The Rents are in a better place than they have
been for much of the last I don't know, ten years.
They've had some really awful seasons. So, like, you know,
there's off season in activity when you know you're going
to be bad twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, twenty twenty two,

(46:57):
it's something else entirely when your team actually has a
chance to be pretty good. And so I can't help
but think, and it's been a number of years, it's
been fifteen years, but whenever I think of, like leaning
in on the strategy of hope, I think of the
twenty eleven Reds, and you know, that's that's becoming a
reference point. That is not the most timely because it's

(47:19):
been fifteen years, But if you need a refresher, in
twenty ten, the Reds win ninety one games when the
division kind of come from nowhere, surprise, a lot of
people make the playoffs and it was great, and then
they spent the following off season kind of not doing anything,
just waiting for better results, sort of did something similar
at the end of the twenty thirteen season, after which

(47:41):
they fired the manager, places Dusty Baker with Brian Price,
watched hinsuit chew walk, watch Bronson Royal rock a royal
walk easy for me to say, and then did nothing.
And I think those two off seasons are when we
started to talk about the off season of using hope
as a strategy. Hope, as I think has been well established,

(48:02):
is not a strategy. Hope is an emotion. Hope is
something you feel. Does it feel to you like? The
strategy this offseason has been hope. Hoping for better performances
from players who underperformed last year, hoping for different outcomes

(48:24):
offensively because the pitching last season was really good. Hoping
for different outcomes from what is largely the same collection
of players so far. That's what it feels like. The
strategy is Should that be the strategy when you have
a team filled with players that is worth building around,
that made the postseason last year, but can only use

(48:45):
last year as a success if it proves to be
a pivot to something bitter, bigger in twenty twenty six.
More on that coming up in just a bit. One
of my favorite events on the Cincinnati Winter Calendar is
happening on Thursday. Will preview it when we come back
on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
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Speaker 2 (49:38):
This report is sponsored by Apollo Home In fifteen thirty Moeger,
thanks so much for listening. Today. It's sports tag season.
One of the best is taking place on Thursday night.
Always honored to ask to participate the fifty fifth Roger
Bacon Sports Tag featuring do we call him? Keynote speaker

(49:58):
Sean Casey, Shawn case See. The Mayor is going to
be there. This is an awesome event. I've had a
chance to uh be a part of it, attend it
can't wait for Thursday night here to tell us more
about it. A guy who's getting an award. The head
football coach at Roger Bacon, Mike Bloud is with us.
You gotta you gotta talk about yourself getting an award. Yeah,
it's kind of weird. It's yes, I'm not ready for that.

Speaker 8 (50:19):
I was not ready to get the award and the
committee kind of overrun me a little bit. So yes,
I'm getting award, but it's it's more about Sean Casey
coming in and yeah, you know, celebrating with us a
little bit. So it's it's it's really cool. How's a
big Sean Casey fan. And Tom Rable who is the
award that he's getting a Tom Rable Good Fellowship Award. Uh,
you know we we call Sean Casey the mayor. Well

(50:41):
that was Tom Rable for us. He was he was
our mayor. He he just fits the epitome exactly what
Sean Casey is. So it's kind of cool that he's
getting that.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
A setting like this where you're looking for somebody to
be engaging and tell stories, this is in Sean Casey's wheelhouse.
He could be a professional stag speaker if you wanted
to be.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
Yes, that's what we keep hearing, and we can't wait
to have him. It's we're we're very excited to have
him in the building.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
All right. So it's Thursday night, fifty to fifty annual
men only. Run through everything that's going to be happening
on Thursday. Okay, Well, the doors open at six. We
have a social from six to seven thirty. Dinner then
follows it to l Ros's dinner. Larrosis are our big sponsor,
presented by Rota Router. There are two big sponsors.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
There's a VIP reception area from six to seven thirty
for those that buy the VIP tickets which are one
hundred and fifty bucks. The general admission is just seventy five,
and so we basically have two different parties going on
at one time. And then we all come together for
the big, the Big Award night, and then I will
be receiving our bron Beseovich Coaching Award first and then

(51:45):
we'll be given Sean Casey the stage with you. Yeah,
we appreciate you coming down and doing that again with us.
Quite quite the coup there to get me big deal. Well,
you and I had a good time last year doing it,
Yes we did. We had a good time. So we're
expecting the same thing this year. And and we know
Sean is is going to be a good one.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
This is obviously it's a fun event, but it's a
very important one for the Roger Bacon community. Right.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Yes, it is our biggest fundraiser for the athletic department. Uh,
you know, we got a lot of great sports and
a lot of very successful sports, and so it funds
everything that we do, and and you know all the
boys sports, all the girls' sports, and so yeah, it's
a big night for us. How do you get a
guy like Sean Casey to do this? We just called
him an askety.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Simple.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
We had a connection with him and gave him a
call and he agreed to do it.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And like I said, we're really excited to have him there. Yeah,
it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's going to
be on Thursday night. Here's what I like about it.
I got to Roger Bacon. Right, I'm a Kentucky public
high school kid. Right, But if you love the Reds
and you want to hear Sean Casey tell stories, you
don't have to be a Roger Bacon alum, correct, you
do not.

Speaker 8 (52:51):
Yeah, if you just want to come and hear him,
and I'm sure he's gonna give us a lot of
good red stories. Uh yeah, anybody and everybody can come
down to it, and uh, you know, we get a
lot of walk ups at the door. Ticket sales have
been really really good, as you can expect. Sure a
lot of VIP tickets are being sold, and you know,
the night of, we'll get another one hundred, one hundred.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
And fifty people walking up and buying tickets at the
door too.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
So so right now you can buy tickets online and
then they're left at will call for you, or you
can buy them the night of. What's the website Roger
Bacon dot org. Very good and as soon as you
log in, it pops right up. It's right there, it's
right there, very good. Can't miss the can't miss the
mayor right on the front cover. No, he's right there.
So this is going to be a blast. And here's

(53:34):
the thing that I think is most important. Ton of
food and drink. Yes, absolutely so. We have we have
Hayman's Catering, who sponsors the VIP area and that food
is fantastic. And then of course Buddy Lorosa, who is
a proud Roger Bacon grad.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Buddy sponsors the.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
Main dinner over in the in the where the program
takes place, so you get plenty of pizza in the
Italian sausage.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I don't know if you've had that there yet.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
The Italian sausage is fantastic, usually one of the big
crowd favorites.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
And so yes, everybody eats well, we drink well, and
we have a very good time. And the Sean Casey thing,
it's important.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
He'll tell stories and but I'll try to get you know,
I'll try to get him to open up a little bit.
He's kind of a shy guy. But there's an audience
Q and A there is. So if there's always been
a question you've wanted to ask Sean Casey, this is
your opportunity.

Speaker 8 (54:18):
It is and you get to ask it with Alex Meacham.
Oh yeah, you get a little ucy bearcat action.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
So well that's going well. Yeah, I'm sure Alex will
have lots of pointed questions aimed in him about this
year's team.

Speaker 8 (54:28):
He does, yes, yes, So yeah, Alex is uh he's
pinchitting for me because I'm normally the MC, but this
year I'm not so Alex. And Alex was in my
first class. I taught Alex really way back, long time ago. Yes,
do you claim that?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Is that something? I try not to but.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
He's kind of famous. Now did you teach Alex or
was he just in your class? There's a difference. He
was just in my class he actually received. That was
a very young teacher, and he received the first attention
I ever gave. What do you do?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I don't know. He was probably just being you know
what he did? Yeah, he was just being a knucklehead.
I thought, right, yeah, that was Alex? Is that is
that going the form? What would you get a detention
for being a knuckle hass? It did?

Speaker 8 (55:05):
Actually we had little blue sheets that everybody got, and
so I'm sure that'll be brought up thirty if if
where I went to school, you got a detention for
being a knucklehead, I would have just had to carve
out like a ninth period every day, right, yes, exactly,
just for being a knucklehead.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Alex spent a lot of time in detention while he
was Bacon. Yes, very good, very good. All right, So
Thursday night tickets are available at the door. It could
also go to Roger Bacon dot org. Correct. By the way,
how do you get the award? Don't be humble? Right
the award you're getting? What is it outlining for me?
And congratulations? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (55:37):
Yeah, it's very humbling being a Roger Bacon guy, It's
very humbling. Coach Basevich is our legendary coach. He won
one hundred and fifty games at Bacon. He won another
one hundred and fifty games at other schools, so well
over three hundred before that ever playoffs. Fantastic coach and
he was. He is the pillar of Roger Bacon. Our
stadium is named after him. A lot of awards are

(55:58):
named after him. He gave a lot back to the
community and I've been fortunate enough to be there long
enough where I've kind of followed in his footsteps. And
the committee kind of ambushed me with me getting the
award this year. I was not expecting it, but very
humble and I'm very appreciative of it.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
It's a cool award done. That's awesome. That's awesome. So
you have to step down from mc dude. I had
to do that. For Dan hord once. Do you see
Hall of Fame dinner? Because the MC is the thing,
and they put him in the Hall of Fame, and
I thought it would have been funny for him to
introduce himself as a Hall of Famer, but they made
me do it, right, you know, I get it. I've
seen this sort of thing. Is there anything else that
folks need to know about Thursday night?

Speaker 8 (56:34):
No, just come, be ready to have a good time
and we look forward to seeing a lot of people there.
Sean Casey and the event begins at what time six o'clock?
The door's open social from six to seven thirty. Then
there's the full scale dinner with the Rosa's, and then
the program starts right at eight.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
It's gonna be a good time. Sean is the absolute best.
I've seen him in this setting before. And you will
not find a better stag speaker than Sean Casey, even
if the person lobbing him the questions is below average. Right, great, Great,
that's what we want to hear. That's what we want
to hear. Awesome. Well, congratulations, thank you and looking forward
to a Thursday and thanks for having me and thanks

(57:13):
for stopping by, Thanks for having me on Rogerbacon dot org.
The fifty fifth Roger Bacon Sports Tag featuring Sean Casey
is going to be on Thursday night. It is an
absolute awesome time. Raises money for Roger Bacon Athletics and
even even if you didn't go to Roger Bacon, want
to hear Sean Casey tell stories. You'll have a blast again.
Rogerbacon dot Org for tickets or get them at the door.

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Now now you are up to date, not that you
weren't to begin with, Sam and independence you're on s
being fifteen thirty. Sam, good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:04):
No calling back in again? I guess we're gonna talk
about Bearcats again?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Let's do it. What's up? Sam? What's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:01:13):
Again? Well, last night in between Antbel was watching the
Bearcats again as I as I tend to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And.

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
I I used to get angry about UC losing basketball games.
Now I just don't. And I'm not even saying that.
I'm not telling people to be you know, right, what's
right or wrong, because, like you see, I just they

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lost the game, and I'm not only am I not angry,
I I I actually genuinely feel sorry for them because
I thought they played well last.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Night, agreed, And I'm just.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
I've caught in the last couple of times to talk
about West. I think West coached a good game. I
think he did what we wanted him to do. He
cut the rotation down to his six best players, his
five starters and the Jalen Yes, he cut a Kinley's Bennetts.
You didn't see Keyshan Tillery out there that much. He

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didn't see uh Zella out there very long. He actually
went Bustafa play and he was very good defensively and
was very efficient. And what happened at the end everything
I was out last night. I didn't get to watch
the ending on TV, but I was best about seven

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hundred in it. That's what I felt bad. You almost
you almost felt just this despondence. In Dan Horde. In
the last thirty seconds of that game, a guy just
threw throws a ball off the rim. It goes. I
don't know how it went. In we as opposed to

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the West Virginia game, we don't want a dumb play
where Bob Miller chucks of the three. If we give
Jaalin a great look, a great shot and it just rolls,
it's half way inside the cup and it just rolls out.
I'm not even angry. It's just we play well, and
we do everything, and they do what we say they

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should do and they still lose.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yes, and it's it's worth mentioning. And this is not,
by any stretch an excuse, but Kenpalm dot com has
a luck rating, which accounts for things that are and
I don't know if I'm putting this in the best

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possible way, but accounts for things that are maybe beyond
your control that happened to you. Cincinnati is second to last.
There are three hundred and sixty five Division I college
basket ball teams. Cincinnati is three hundred and sixty fourth.
So yeah, man, there there have been there have been

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some things beyond their control that have gone against them.
UCF Banks and a three Celestian gets a pretty good
look and it doesn't go. That's that's not It's not
the shot that I wanted there. I wanted something at
the rim. West talked about that after the game. I
would have liked to have seen, you know, them draw
some defenders to a penetrator and then maybe have somebody

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throw a lobb to Mustapha Chom, who was really good yesterday.
But I think the frustrating thing about the game yesterday
is if you look at it in a vacuum. In
a vacuum, you go, all right, shrug your shoulders. They
lost to a rank team on the road. They did
a lot of good things enough to win, and they
simply didn't. No big deal. The problem is it's lost
number eight. The problem is the lack of execution in

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all these games where they've failed to win in the
closing minutes has put them and in a situation we're
losing that game yesterday, it's hard to glean any positives
from it. Which we said the same thing about West Virginia,
said the same thing about Houston. Like now, the number
of losses and the math just sort of obscures anything

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else that happens on the floor. And that's what's frustrating
about where they are, because I would love to look
at yesterday as a game where you go, you know what,
maybe to a degree offensively, they turn the corner. Maybe
Mustapha Chom, maybe the I hate to say, the light
bulbs come on, but maybe there's some confidence that he
can take from that game and apply it to what's next.
And if you're sixteen and four, that's probably what we're

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talking about today. They're not, they're eight and eight. The
games they have in front of them, frankly, many of
them seem damn near impossible. And so I think that's
what I walked away from yesterday going, you know, I
would love to just go, man, they got unlucky or boy,
it was a road game that was there for the
taking and gotten away. I can't. It's eight losses. It's

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eight losses in a season where they have fifteen more
regular season games to go, and you're wondering what is
that final loss total going to be? You're left wondering,
Like I think, say what you want about Wes. He
obviously has taken and to a degree, deserved a lot
of the criticism that has come his way. I think
for the most part, his team has done what he
has said, which is they've stayed together, they've played hard.

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But the longer the losing goes, at any level of sport,
you wonder how long is the coach going to be
able to keep the team together? And if he's not
able to, then what do some of these games look like?
I just threw a lot at you, Sam, But I
would love to look at yesterday's game as a game
where you go, Okay, if they play like that, they're
gonna win their share of big twelve games. You can't

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when they're eight and eight.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
No, you can. That's where losing that West virtuine the
game at the end hurts. That's where blowing that big
lead to Houston at home hurts. Going back a while,
that's are losing to EMU and non conference play really hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:07:04):
Yeah, it's because if you change the results of those games,
they're eleven and five, and you say, and you can
take last night as okay, you know, yeah uts or
ranked team they have, but you know, and yeah, I mean,

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if they play like that last night, maybe they'll they
will win some conference games.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
But it.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
That their performance last night, how well they played, even
the loss, and seems like an outlier after down the
stretch Concuston, they couldn't buy a bucket West Virginia. We
just started shooting whatever shots we want at the end
of the game. EMU, we just whatever happened there. I mean,

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it's just I don't know, it's it's just becoming very frustrated.
It's been very hard to see any pause. It's about
this season, even when they played well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yeah, no, I mean, look, the this is not like
two years ago. Two years ago, nobody was using the
NCAA tournament and selection Sunday as a barometer. Two years ago,
it was demonstrate some level of competitiveness in the Big Twelve,
which I thought for the most part they did the

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first two years. It was not about making the tournament.
It was just steady the program. This year, there's one barometer,
do they make the tournament or don't they? They're eight
and eight? There, eight' and eight with no good wins
and one really bad loss, like there's nothing you can
there's nothing you can do about that. And so yeah, man,

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if that game yesterday is what we would have seen
during any one of the games they played two years ago,
I think we shrug our shoulders and go, Okay, we're
not using the tournament this year as a barometer, so
try to pull some positives from this year. It's do
you make the tournament or don't you? And at eight
and eight, just call it what it is. It's it's

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impossible to imagine them playing themselves, even into the fringes
of the conversation, and losing last night or winning last
night wouldn't have changed that. But now, like you're you're
only watching this team through I think two different lenses.
One is do they make the tournament? Right now, it's
abundantly clear they don't have the resume, the most obvious
thing I've ever said. And the other lens is you

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know what's gonna happen with regards to Wes Miller when
the season comes to an end, because the more the
losses pile up, I think, the more, unfortunately, and I
hate to say this, the more it feels like it
seals his faith.

Speaker 10 (01:09:40):
Yeah, it's yeah. And what's funny is looking at the
NSA tournament now, is just a distant goal for this team. Yeah,
there's a miracle that might happen. You know, maybe there
is a miracle and it happens they win ten streak
a time they make the tournament. Who knows. I don't
think they will, but maybe it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
But I sam if this team, if this team wins
ten straight games, I will walk from where I am
right now to your house in Independence.

Speaker 10 (01:10:11):
I would I would do of any variety of things.
If they win ten games, it'd be a remarkable thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yes, yes, I didn't think.

Speaker 10 (01:10:23):
And again, if that seems far, again, that's a far
affection to this is. But at the beginning of the year,
and you've said this, we talked about this. I didn't
think at least qualify for the NCAA Tournament wasn't a
reasonable ask of of this team. No, no, it wasn't
totally For a reason, It's not like I hate to

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throw Xavier under the bus. It's not like Xavier where
it's just like build something when when rich Patino came
in there with nothing to Sean bill Er left and
right to the pantry way out. But it it's just
this is going to be seven years where we haven't

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made the tournament, and that really as someone who is
a fan even during the years of Huggins and Cronin,
I know we're not a blue blood, but seven years
stout tournament for really is really hard to faunce.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
When you know, for a lot of us fourteen straight
years and then nine straight years with four in the middle.
So that's twenty three out of twenty seven I guess
twenty five straight years because Andy Kennedy didn't make it,
but twenty three out of twenty eight years were your
teams in the tournament. To have them not even not
make it, but we don't wake up on selection Sunday

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thinking they have a chance like that that has become
unfortunately normalized the game yesterday, You're right, it's it's frustrating
because they're down five two different occasions in the final
four minutes and come back and put themselves in a
position to win right, they take the lead. They execute
well enough offensively to take the lead in a game

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that felt like it was getting away from them when
they fell behind by five points. They execute well. They
get a very good individual performance by Mustapha Chohm Wes Miller.
One of the criticisms has been that he plays too
many guys. He does shrink the rotation. Only one sub
played more than seven minutes, and it was Jalen Celestine
and they still lose the game. And they played well

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enough offensively. They executed, I thought for the most part,
certainly compared to how they've played here recently. They executed
pretty well in the half court and they still don't win.
Like you talk about feeling bad, I felt bad for
Wes in that set of circumstances. I felt bad for
the players in that set of circumstances because a lot
of the stuff we have said, we've wanted to see

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them do better, they don't. Now that last possession this
team is two hundred and fiftieth in the nation and
free throw attempts because they're not great at just driving
the ball to the rim, getting contact and getting to
the free throw line. To see something at the rim.
I wanted to see a lob. I wanted to see
somebody drive the ball at the rim and a not
a three point shot, but even the three point shot

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they got, they nearly made. And I think it would
have been a lot of fun to talk about this team,
at least going on the road in the face of
all the scrutiny, all the attention, all the conjecture about
Wes's postgame comments and proving what he said, they're going
to do right, we're gonna stay together. They did, but

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nobody wants to talk about that because they lost the game.
And it doesn't matter because they lost the game, but
because they're eight and eight. So as that game unfolded
and as it ended last night, my first reaction was
that would have been a chance for us to say
a lot of the things that we've wanted to say
about this team all season long, even if only about
one game. And it's a chance to talk about that

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team doing what Wes said it was going to do,
which is play hard, play together, and figure out a
way to get a victory in the face of all
the heat that's been coming down on it. And instead
the result is similar and it sends them to eight
and eight, and it only intensifies the bad vibes, the
bad feelings, the criticism and all that that has been
out there about this program for a while.

Speaker 10 (01:14:11):
Yeah, it's you know, and I again the I feel
sorry for the players. I mean they you can't say
they did the one thing you could say about you
see this year. They the effort is there, the execution
often isn't. Yeah, but it's so I feel for them

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because I want to like this group of players, I
really do. There's some really likable guys on this team
that you want to reform, but there's Again it's just
the top line. Result in sports is what matters. And
they're eight and eight. Are they going to finish for
five hundred this year? I don't think so. The NCAA

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tournament is just a distant pipe dream at this point
seven years. We have been there seven years. Again, that's
something that you would be a crisis in two thousand
and ten if under Cronin or Bobby if we had
gone seven years without tournament. First, But and I want
to like West, I really do want to like West,

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and I want to believe in what he says. But
I just and but the results aren't there. They're eight man,
that's that's not You're a power conference team, that's five
hundred and you have you don't have a good win.
You had a chance to have a season change. You
win over Houston, really and you couldn't execute down the

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stretch last night. Maybe a chance to change the narrative,
if just for a couple of days. And whether it's
they didn't execute or they got unlucky, whatever you want
to say, it just it just felt like another it's
just another punch in the stomach at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, no, it's unfortunately, Sam, thank you for the phone call.
I haven't gotten I haven't gotten um to it. Like
that loss, that loss last night hurt as as well.
And look, if if they win that game, I don't
think anybody is gonna go, you know what, here come
the Bearcats or if they win that game, I don't

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think anybody is wondering about what they need to do
to make the NCAA tournament, Like that's that's going out
the window. But I do think Man and like Wes,
has gotten a lot of heat and a lot of criticism,
and a lot of it aimed at postgame comments and
and that that criticism, I think for the most part,

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has been deserved. But his overall point, especially after the
West Virginia game, was we're gonna stay together, We're gonna
hang in there, We're not gonna quit. I think yesterday
was proof of those things. But it doesn't matter when

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you lose. And that sounds really harsh, But I talked
about the top of the show about like I felt
bad for the players, and to a degree, I felt
bad for Wes because, Okay, they're not a tournament team,
and yeah, man, fans are angry and should be, and
the booze are alloud, and I think they're going to

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be loud tomorrow or are allowed on Wednesday. And Wes
is fighting for his job, which his job status is
very very much in jeopardy. I think he would be
the first to admit that. But when they didn't win
the game yesterday, I thought that would have been at
least a tangible piece of evidence backed by victory that

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what Wes said is going to happen is happening. The
worm is going to turn, the effort's not going to
be compromised. They're gonna hang in there, They've got each
other's back. All that stuff that sounds silly. Had they
found a way to win that game yesterday, which I
thought for the most part they played well enough to win,

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then you've got you've got something that happened that you go, Yes,
this is what I've been talking about. We're we're not
gonna jump ship. We are gonna hang together, we are
gonna go us against the world, and instead it's just
a familiar result that just it fuels the frustration and
anger that's already out there. And so yeah, man, I

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do think it's completely fair. Man Like, when losing continues,
you wonder like, how does a coach keep his team together?
We did that with the Bengals this year. Right, Hey,
the offense is awesome, the defense is terrible. How are
they going to keep this team from fracturing? And by
the way, I don't think it seems like it did.

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Like even when it felt like, all right, it's gonna
be offense versus defense, it did feel to me like
they hung together. You wonder that in sports, well, in
an era where like there's tampering and players can go
from one school to the next, especially when there's a
lot of conversation about the future of the head coach,

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you do wonder like, what's this going to look like
down the stretch, purely from an effort perspective if the
losing continues, And uh, it's a fair question. Winning yesterday
may not have made that question go away, but it
would have been a chance to focus on something on

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the things that Wes wants people to focus on, which
is how hard they play and you can't, you won't,
and we're not. Because that loss dropped him to eight
and eight, it is eight away from five o'clock. This
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Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Except Rob Manford is apparently toying with the idea of
having an in season tournament like the NBA, no, thank
you very much, or having a split season Terarn feel
free to say no to that one as well. What
are we doing overthinking things? Rob Manfred has come up

(01:20:37):
with some good ideas. Maybe he hasn't come up with them,
but he has implemented some good ideas. The pitch clock
has been awesome. Banning the shift, which I was opposed to,
has been a positive.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I'm never gonna be a big fan of the runner
on second base starting in the tenth inning, but I
think most fans like it. It's where TV ratings are up,
attendance is up. It feels like the sport's in a
much better place now. We're going to have a lockout
in a year which made torpedo everything. So I'm never
gonna be one of these baseball fans that just you know,
gets mad at change because that's what we do. Having

(01:21:13):
a DH in both leagues I think is a good thing.
It was silly to have two sets of rules for
one league. An in season tournament, come on, Like, I
think it's been an added attraction in the NBA. I'm
not saying that because my team won it. But there
has been a meaninglessness attached to the NBA regular season

(01:21:36):
for a while, and player effort in regular season games
was an issue, and to a degree, I think still is.
Where you have people who are consuming the sports that
don't believe the players are giving their full effort in
regular season games, and so they wanted to create something
to incentivize players to play harder in the regular season.
No such issue exists in Major League Baseball. Nobody is

(01:22:00):
worrying about player effort in regular season games. If anything,
it's still the sport where the regular season matters most
in a split season scenario, which obviously what comes to
mind is the eighty one player strike, where the Reds
did have the best record in the sport but didn't
make the postseason. Can you even imagine what the sport
would look like? It's already seemingly a foregone conclusion that

(01:22:23):
a lot of different teams are gonna make the postseason
every year. Like the Dodgers team wins its division in
the first half of the season, won't it be fun
watching that team play for nothing in the second half
of the season or play for seeding slash home field.
Come on, how about this, get to work on your CBA.

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Let's get rid of labor talk for a decade. Let's
penalize owners who don't spend. Let's get more people owning
baseball team. So we'll try and forget about other gimmicks.
Coming up on FI five o'clock on Moeger. This is
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Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Well, God bless you for that.

Speaker 10 (01:24:13):
Thank you so much, mister Agar. I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
You're very welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Karon Bland appreciate you as well, so do I. Interesting
discussion of what Sam about the Bearcats. I can't say anymore.
You guys covered it.

Speaker 10 (01:24:28):
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
So damn disappointed. This has gone on too long now. Man,
it almost has me in tears. I'm so upset about it.
I had big hopes for this year, Mo, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Too, Yes, I thought this would be a I thought
that this would be a team. I didn't believe without
any doubt that they were an NCAA tournament team because
the way last season unfolded but created some well earned skepticism.
You looked at the player they had last year, I

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thought that was going to be a tournament team. They
didn't come close, but I did believe that they would
be in the conversation. I thought we would spend February
in early March at least talking about where they are
in relation to the field, looking at stuff like bracketology
through the lens of how close or how far is
Cincinnati from making the dance. To not even do that

(01:25:26):
is very disappointing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah, it's just I you know, and we all like West,
I mean, what's not a like about today? You know,
we get too personal with some of this stuff, and
he's doing his best. It's just not I don't know,
how can we lose all these games down the stretch
they don't execute getting blown out?

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, they they don't. They don't execute. I mean that's
that they've been in every single one of their losses.
The Louisville game, you know, as the Cardinals were down,
Ford time extended the lead to twelve, and so is
the second half unfolded. I never really thought they were
gonna win that one. But okay, the rest of them,

(01:26:08):
they've had a chance, and yeah they've they've had some
bad breaks, that's I think undeniable. But at the end
of the day, they haven't executed. And I think unfortunately,
there's lots of seasons that go down like this. But
when the season is judged solely by do you make
the tournament or don't you and how you answer that
question is going to determine whether or not you keep

(01:26:28):
your job, It's it's viewed differently, and that's that's certainly
the case this year with this team.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
Yeah, and everybody to a man seems to be more
optimistic about me Grip Patino's junior chances with his team
than West with his team. That's just the popular consensus
right now. Unless you're blind, No.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I think I think with Richard Patino, you understand I've
I've maintained this for a while. I think it's never
been more difficult to be a head coach in a
new place. I also think it's never been easier to
turn things around on years two and three. Now with Wes,
they did move to the Big twelve year three. I think,
with exceptions, the way Xavier has played this season. Look,

(01:27:08):
they they got They've been blown out at home a
couple of different times. They've they've lost some games like
Marquette that you could argue they should have won. But
I think for the most part, the way that team
has played, and there's a talent issue there, right, Richard
Patino has been the first to acknowledge they need better players,
they need more Big East players. But I think the

(01:27:29):
way that they have played and the rate at which
they improved when it looked like things were going to
be really hopeless back in November and early December, makes
you believe that when the talent is there, that that
program is going to be in really good shape.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Yeah. I truly believe it, because again I just keep saying,
you don't live with rich Patinos senior all these year
and not learn a lot of stuff, big time, big time.

Speaker 10 (01:27:56):
You have to assimulate, so you know, just.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Kids drove in your brain so many times sitting around
his dinner tables. Okay, onto the NFL, if you'll give
me a minute, please from the Rams secondary is trash.
I don't know what's happened, but they got to do
something or they're not going to win that game against
the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Because Matthew Stafford, Now he gave Bryse Young a low
class on how you do it at the end the
other day, which is understandable with his experience, but nonetheless
that that game should not have been that close.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I don't I don't. I don't really disagree. I think
what was interesting about that game for me was more
folks walked away from it impressed with Carolina than they
were LA. And LA won the game, and I got that,
like I felt, I felt exactly the same way. I
think with the Rams, you you wonder about the secondary,
and you always wonder about special teams. Special teams were

(01:28:53):
a problem on Saturday. Special teams have been a problem
all season.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Yep. And I have it. Well, you've probably heard this
nickname now for Caleb, it's Chaos Caleb. The more Chaotic gifts,
the better Cave Caleb gifts. This guy is unbelievable. He
had two of the best throws I've seen in years
in at one game the other day. He is unbelievable.
That throw he made going to his left and his

(01:29:17):
feet were off the ground and that thing.

Speaker 10 (01:29:19):
Was a start.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Yes, unbelievable mode.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah, it feels like. It feels like the perfect marriage
of quarterback and coach with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. Now,
Ben Johnson was higher because of his play calling acumen.
With the Detroit Lions, it feels like and they've got
some some some skill guys right, But it feels like
the perfect marriage of quarterback and coach. And I think

(01:29:45):
Chicago and the Rams is going to be a blast. Now.
The level to which Green Bay choked I don't think
should be overlooked.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
I was listening to the Bill Simmons podcast this morning
where he was rolling through the way green Bay. So
the way Green Bay has lost all these playoff games
with the twenty ten championship kind of right there in
the middle. If you go back and look at their
playoff losses this century, they all look and feel like
that game on Saturday Night.

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
I would agree.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Yeah, I mean, history doesn't lie, and I don't. I mean, so,
how does this so does it always end up on
the coach? Is it with Bor's fault? I mean I
can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't put that
game so much on on the floor. I didn't put
that game. But you know, I do understand how it works.
And while I think you watched the Green Bay Packers,
they're I think what they've they've topped out at a

(01:30:51):
seven seed since twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken,
So they've they've typically been the last seeded team in
the NFC. So the ceiling has been that high in
the regular season, and then they've lost some excruciating games
in the postseason. Should have beaten the forty nine ers
two years ago in the in the title game, you know,
the year before that, lose to San Francisco on a

(01:31:13):
on a night where their offense just simply didn't do anything.
But they've they've had some excruciating postseason losses. I get
why Matt Lafleur's under the microscope. I also feel like
because of what he has done with quarterbacks since Aaron
Rodgers moved on, I think he would be I think
he would have maybe not his pick of jobs, but
there would be a lot of teams interested.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
I think. So tonight's game, well, Shanahan's got to be
the coach of the year. He's doing this with the
second string people. The guy that made the big play
for them last night. That that defensive line one was
from the Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky, which I was very
proud of. So tonight's game Tech and then I know,

(01:31:57):
you gotta go Texan's Pittsburgh tonight, Well, Aaron, here you go, buddy,
four man rush seven deep and coverage all.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
My good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Yeah, I don't know how the Steelers score against him.
The Texans have lost two games since Week four on
the road this year, giving up fifteen and a half
points a game. Second and overall defensive doa DVOA. And
if you look at the Steelers, all the names they
have on defense, they've They've been pretty average defensively for
much of the season. I don't know how the Steelers

(01:32:27):
sustain anything offensively. And even though the Texans have offensive
consistency issues and an offensive line that isn't great, I
still think they control the game. I think the Texans win,
and then you know, I think the conversations about Mike
Tomlin are interesting, and I say this objectively. Everybody understands

(01:32:48):
what this man has accomplished. But we're talking about going
on a decade of playoff of futility for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It's a remarkably stable franchise. They've had three head coaches
since the nineteen sixties. They don't just blow through coaches.
But it I think the conversations about him going into

(01:33:10):
next year, whether they extend him, whether or not he
decides to pivot to TV, whether he decides to leave
with an opportunity to go coach elsewhere based on negotiating
a settlement, whether or not they fire him, whether or
not they bring him back. I think are going to
be really interesting. I don't know how they get anything
going tonight offensively, even at home.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Final either and Josh. Can Josh Allen win at Denver?
That's my question.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Yeah, Denver's defense has been terrific for much of the season.
There was some regression in the second half. I still
I wonder about, you know, lack of explosiveness, lack of
a downfield threat. But Josh Allen nearly scored, nearly scored
on a ten yard tush push yesterday, which would have
been one of the coolest touchdowns I had ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
You hate the tush push, you want outlawed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Doesn't bother me. It's a football play, don't bother me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Kind of goofy though most it's kind of anyway. I'm
too I'm too old and gravy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Al right, thank you, thanks for the punk. Tush push
doesn't bother me, Mike. Josh Allen nearly scored. They tried
the tush push from just outside the ten and when
he I'm sure you saw it. You got to the
goal line. They originally ruled him in and they replay
moved the ball back to like the half yard line,
but nearly scored from ten yards out on a toush push.

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we didn't mention this on Friday Friday. We were all
about Duke Tobin's press conference, the mega press conference, the
hour long press conference. What's interesting quickly about that as
a as a quick aside to what I was about
to mention in there, it was interesting to me how
many folks seem to get mad at the Duke Tobin

(01:36:05):
press conference, as if they legitimately expected a I don't
know a different type of message. And it was also
interesting to me how many folks listen to Duke Tobin
and took him as smug or adversarial. I didn't love
the general message that was sent, which I thought was

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status quo remains. We're not going to increase the size
of the scouting staff. We're not necessarily going to change
how we do things because hey, we've had success before.
I didn't think he was adversarial. I didn't think he
was condescending. I didn't think he was standoffish. I didn't
think he was smug. I thought he did two things.

(01:36:49):
One he went out of his way to mention that
he had traded for Joe Flacco, and the other was,
you know, if you want to take it as defensive,
to take it as defensive. But he referenced what he
believes are some successes and accomplishments that are on his
resume or have at least happened to the Bengals on
his watch as evidence as to why, you know, they're

(01:37:09):
going to continue to do the things they do now.
I don't love that, but I didn't think Duke was
performatively bad. I didn't think he was adversarial, didn't think
he was antagonistic, didn't think he was overly defensive, so
to speak. I just think he tried to use some
of what he perceives as successes from the past as

(01:37:31):
evidence that his way and their way is the Bengals,
their way of doing things, is going to prove to
be successful. We'll see ultimately if that's the case. But
I thought the way some interpreted just his performance during
that press conference was interesting because I sort of had
a different take. We were talking before the top of
the hour about the UC game. Yesterday, the Bearcats lose

(01:37:53):
to UCF and last week Wes Miller's postgame shows sort
of overshadowed, so to speak, the performances by his team
in games against Houston and West Virginia. On Wednesday, on
his Coaches show, he apologized and I talked about the

(01:38:15):
emotional nature of his press conference, and you know, nobody's
happy when they lose, and he wasn't singling out anybody
in particular, and that's fair. I thought his postgame yesterday
with Dan and Terry was insightful. It was maybe not
matter of fact, but he went out of his way,
I think, to talk about some strategies towards the end,
the way the game unfolded. All of that. It's it

(01:38:40):
would have been awesome for them to win that game yesterday.
And I say this as a UC fan but also
a fan of I don't know storylines changing. Have they
won that game yesterday. Nobody's putting him in the tournament,
nobody believes the season is going to be turned around.
Nobody is gonna un do or unsay the things they've

(01:39:02):
said about the state of in the direction of the
Bearcats basketball program. But it's one thing for a coach
to talk about, Hey, it's us against the world and
we're going to stay together. It's something else to have
something tangible that suggests that what he said is going
to happen is happening. It's like the Reds making the
playoffs last year. Getting in is the sixth seed and

(01:39:24):
losing in two games to the eventual World Series champion
in real time might not be that much of an accomplishment,
and after the fact might even be less of an accomplishment,
but it is at least something you can point to,
something tangible that you can point to that what you're
doing is working. Wes's message as poorly received as it was,

(01:39:45):
as poorly relayed as it might have been, but his
message after both the Houston game and the West Virginia
game was We're staying together. All the noise that's out there,
much of which I think has been very fair, quite frankly,
but all the noise out there, we don't care. Our
guys are hanging in there. Our guys are staying together.

(01:40:08):
That rings hollow when the losing continues. That rings hollow
when the results aren't there. Yesterday, I think it would
have been cool for the result to be there to
at least say that what this coach was talking about
ended up being reality. Yeah, they did hang in there,
they did hang together, they didn't give up, and the
effort's not been compromised. And instead it's another loss. And

(01:40:29):
I I get it, man, Like nobody wants to hear
about your effort when you're not winning. Nobody wants to
hear about how your team is taking on the world
when they're losing games. I get it. But like watching
the game yesterday, I thought, like, man, these these guys
haven't quit yet. These guys aren't hanging it up. These
guys aren't mailing it in. They do seem to be

(01:40:49):
playing for each other. And have they won the game,
perhaps it would have validated a lot of the things
that Wes talked about after about the Houston game. In
the West Virginia game, they play Colorado on Wednesday. Decent
Colorado team twenty six after five o'clock mentioned before the

(01:41:12):
Duke Tobin press conference. It may not have accomplished all
that much, but I do I do believe this.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
It might not have made you feel better about the
Bengals doing things differently. I thought there was a refreshing,
A refreshing look into Duke's perspective. Maybe you don't find
that all that useful, but I do think the dynamic
that has been in play forever with this team as

(01:41:43):
it relates to who the front facing people are has
been interesting. Zach Taylor has to talk to the media
multiple times per week and at times answer questions about
the thing that he's not that directly responsible for. What
I think is going to be interesting now moving forward
is if what we saw on Friday becomes at least

(01:42:08):
partially the norm. I don't think you're ever gonna see
Duke Tobin or anybody else that's not the head coach
be a news conference regular, But I guess I would
ask after kind of ripping off the band aid and
doing an hour Duke Mike Katie, was that that bad?

(01:42:30):
I don't love the message that was. Since I do
appreciate somebody delivering the message, I don't love how that
press conference made a lot of his feel about the
Bengals conducting their business differently. But at least it was
somebody in a position where they oversee the roster talking

(01:42:50):
about how they build the roster, some of the processes
that they believe have worked, and I don't think there
was any real negative to what happened on Friday. I
don't think could cost them any customers. I think if
you were out on the Bengals, you're still out on
the Bengals, Or if you were still all in and
believe this team is going to fix their issues and
get it turned around. I don't think that Friday necessarily

(01:43:14):
changed your mind. I don't think it did, but I
guess I would ask, like Duke, was was that that bad?
I mean, I'm sure it wasn't the most fun thing
to do to answer questions about a season that went sideways,
but everybody survived it. And it doesn't always have to
be an hour long media mega conference. It can be

(01:43:34):
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Make sure you go to uhi ns dot com. It's interesting.
Duke Tobin took the mic on Friday and has been
in everybody's cross crossairs for you know, the last number
of months. This has been one of the more interesting

(01:48:40):
Bengal seasons because it feels like this is the first
time that public iyre is being aimed at Duke Tobin,
who has often operated whether it's been in times good
or bad, in anonymity not so much anymore. Duke Tobin
and Zach Taylor often get lumped in with each other,

(01:49:03):
Duke and Zach. They're bringing back both. I kind of
separate the two, and I'm probably in the minority here.
I feel lukewarm about Zach Taylor. Where I don't think
he's a clown show of a coach, I also don't
think he's one of the elite coaches in the sport.

(01:49:25):
It would be unsurprising to me if the Bengals moved
on from Zach Taylor to see him get interviewed elsewhere.
Part of that is a reflection of the market and
the sheer number of teams that every year seem to
have openings. This year, we're swapping out a quarter of
the league, if not more. Based on things that happen
here over the next couple of weekends, it wouldn't surprise

(01:49:45):
me if the Bengals moved on from Zach Taylor, if
he got interviews, experience head coach has been to a
Super Bowl like it would be unsurprised. It would also
be unsurprising to me if Zach Taylor got let go
and he didn't get another chance to be a head coach.
I think the league probably looks at him luke warmly,

(01:50:07):
so to speak. But I do as I've watched the postseason.
Like Number one, I guess there's two Bengals ish takeaways.
One is to look at the AFC and you see
how flawed it is. The untested Patriots who look stuck
in the mud offensively last night, the Denver Broncos, who
have an offense that is as inconsistent as any in

(01:50:29):
the sport, the Buffalo Bills, who don't have a great
downfield threat, the Houston Texans who have offensive line and
consistency issues on that side of the football, and the
Steelers who just have at times a dreadful offense. These
are very flawed teams. That doesn't mean that some of
them aren't good. That doesn't mean that whoever comes out
of the AFC isn't going to be a deserving conference champion.

(01:50:50):
But it does I think highlight the wide open nature
of this conference and how frustrating it is that the
Bengals are again on the outside looking in. I also
think you could look at some of these teams in
the postseason. One of the guys who I think would
have claimed to Coach of the Year is Kyle Shanahan.
The San Francisco forty nine Ers have lost a ton

(01:51:13):
of players this year, lost George Kittle during the game
yesterday an achilles injury. Yet they go on the road
and beat the defending world champions. Now, the Eagles were
a deeply flawed team, at least on the offensive side
of the football. But like Kyle Shanahan now has kind
of built a brand as being a guy that just
figures out a way to make do with what he's got,

(01:51:35):
especially on the offensive side of the ball. He gives
them an advantage. He gives his team an advantage, and
they had one yesterday. Ben Johnson gives his team an advantage.
Sche maddic developmental. I would argue to a degree mindset,
there's some creativity that they have on offense, there's an advantage.

(01:52:01):
Mike Vrabel might be the coach of the Year if
it's not Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson. With Mike Vrabel,
there's an aggressiveness, there's a motivational there's a toughness, identity there.
He just looks like the kind of guy that just
naturally gives his team an advantage. Sean Payton's going to

(01:52:21):
the Hall of Fame. Terrific offensive mind, Jamiko Ryans in Houston,
terrific defensive mind. Like I think you're talking about coaches
where it feels like because of philosophy or identity or
just expertise on bear side of the ball, it's not
that hard to articulate what advantage they give their team

(01:52:44):
with Zach. As much as I focus more on the
people who put together the roster, I think it's fair
to wonder compared to some of those guys I just mentioned,
what kind of advantage does Zach Taylor bring the Bengals?
Is it schematic? Is it motivational? Is it with regards

(01:53:07):
to an identity? Is it clear expertise on his side
of the football? What is it? And by the way,
this isn't you know, gratuitously banging on Zach Taylor for
years on this show. I think it's been well established.
There's a lot of things I think Zach has earned
credit for. Most of them feel like they're in the past,

(01:53:28):
but they're there. But what advantage does Zach Taylor give
the Bengals. And I'm throwing this out there, and it's
not like his job is under scrutiny. He's going to
be the head coach of this coming season, year number eight,
whether we like it or not. But isn't that a
fair way of looking at it. He is tasked with

(01:53:51):
beating a lot of these guys who I think it's
easy to identify with a clear advantage that they give
their organization and that they give their football team. Zach
has coached for seven seasons. I'm not sure the same
thing is as easy to identify and articulate with him. Hey,

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(01:54:31):
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being given credit for. But that Indiana team. Them winning
consecutive college football playoff games is not a surprise. Them

(01:54:52):
winning consecutive college football playoff games with the ease with
which they've won them is stunt. Offensively, they are something
to behold. They're so well coached, so well put together.
Indiana football is sixty minutes away from a national championship

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ESPN fifteen thirty. It is interesting and talking about the Bearcats,
where it's been seven years since you see played in
the NCAA Tournament in twenty twenty, John Brandon's first year.
Obviously COVID canceled the tournament. We don't know they I
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(01:57:18):
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(01:57:42):
and it's it's it's the frustrating thing. I'm sure if
you're a Wes Miller, where as a coach, you're a
little bit more locked in on the granular details of
your team and who's getting better, who can you count on,
where's improvement coming from? What adjustments can you make. If
you would have told me back in November that Shanabayev
would be playing six minutes in games that matter in

(01:58:03):
the Big twelve, I would have said, something has gone awry,
And obviously that's what feels like happened here. You want
to focus on all those smaller detailed sort of stuff.
You want to smoke us. You want to focus on
the basketball part of this, how your team is playing,
what it's doing to put itself in a better position
to win. And all outsiders care about and understandably so

(01:58:26):
understandably so is do it win enough games to have
your name called on selection Sunday? And obviously when you're
eight and eight, the answer is is going to be no.
But that's uh that game yesterday, each one of them,
and I started the show by saying this, each one
of those games in a vacuum can be explained, can

(01:58:47):
be excused, you can rationalize when you add each of
them up. There are just some of the same recurring themes.
Lack of execution, inability to make the key play and
get over the hump, and that obviously was the case yesterday.
Obviously was the case yesterday, and losing to UCF Tomorrow.

(01:59:10):
On the show, our friend Paul Danner Junior is going
to be here because it's Tuesday. Paul was at the
Duke Tobin Mega Press conference. He has done what I
think is always an interesting piece, his annual Free Agent Guide,
and this is about the Bengals pending free agents for
the Athletic dot Com and it's it's always something that's

(01:59:31):
kind of provides a glimpse into the likelihood that certain
players are gonna sign. I think it's a good read.
Go read it now, because we're going to reference in
tomorrow at three o'clock talking about guys like Dalton Reisner,
Joseph Osai, and yes, Genostone. That is tomorrow at three o'clock.

(01:59:53):
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Mark Pope Radio Show. Anything you might have missed go
find on the iHeartRadio app and have an awesome night.
Thanks to Tarum Bland for producing, and thanks to you
for listening. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station

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