12/10/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
It is a Victory Tuesday edition of The Tony and
Mo Football Show. We are broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Florence.
We are here until six o'clock. Tony informs me, this
is typically I've got a good feel for the schedule.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, I'm on it.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
This is our second to last appearance in Florence barring
a Bengals postseason appearance.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, I'm watching. I've been studying the schedule because I
know there's a limited amount of opportunities for folks that
we heard from all offseason that couldn't wait to come
see us at one of our Tony and Mo football
shows that still have not shown up, And I just
want to put it out there for them that they
have two more guaranteed opportunities here, three more guaranteed opportunities
in Westchester.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Outside of that, nothing's promised, nothing is promised. Much like
for this Bengals team, nothing is promised, nothing is promised.
If you haven't been to Twin Peaks, it's a terrific place.
The folks here always roll out the red carpet for us.
Very easy to get to now. I was running a
little bit behind. That was largely a function of me
not knowing how to read a clock and mismanaging my time.

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Traffic wasn't great, but it cleared up. Very easy to
get to. Get off at the Turfway Road exit, get
off at the Route eighteen exit, and hang out with
us till o'lock. A great place to watch pro and
college football, great plays for college hoops. If you're looking
for a spot in northern Kentucky to watch X you
tonight as they take on Morgan State, oh you can
do that here. So much going on. The beer selection

(02:12):
is awesome, and the meatball skill it's great too.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, a lot of people here excited about the Kentucky Wildcats,
as they should be. Basketball is playing pretty well. It's
Crossdown Shootout week, which has you and I feeling some
type of way. I don't really know what type of
way that is yet, nervous, but an excitement. Yes, I've
went all out this year because I've I've openly been
a bad father during the Crossdown Shootout. So for the

(02:37):
first time since our our son has been born six
months ago, May and I are getting a staycation. We're
going to get a hotel Saturday night so that I
am not subjecting my kids to either the good or
bad that will come from the Crosstown shootout. Very smart man,
I've seen how I've reacted in your past.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
It is.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
It's honestly on the one of the the better sports weeks.
There's so much excitement around and the Bengals helped us
out last night by by starting the week off of.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The week gave us something different, I mean, Nick Vigil.
They won a game last night in Very Kansas City,
Chiefs Fashion right where they got just the right thing
to happen to them at just the right time. And look, man,
I'm I'm not gonna start talking about how well, you know, boy,
if this can happen, and this can happen, and this

(03:27):
can happen, and this can happen, and this can happen,
they're a postseason team. There's just way too much. The
odds are obviously not in their favor.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
The realness of it. Without that, we're here today talking
about another collapse borrowing. The offense got the ball back
with five minutes left. They didn't go score, They lost yardage.
And look, if they don't touch touch the punt block,
they're already in field goal range. Autry hit a sixty
five yard earlier this year. They're already in range to

(03:56):
win the game, and another terrible collapse down the stretch. Instead,
we're gonna talk about Joe Burrow playing chess after the game.
How about Mouma Johng Meta Yes, allowing Nick Vigil to
beat him in order for him to go track down
the ball and have a huge recovery. One of the
weirdest endings. It left folks in Dallas, I mean, Micah

(04:16):
Parsons speechless yeah, McCarthy's speechless. Jerry Jones was, and he
speaks after the games to media, which is awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I was surprised how many people didn't know that rule. Yeah,
that once the blocked punt clears the line of scrimmage,
it's just it's treated like just a regular punt.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, behind the line of scrimmage. Fair game.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I was. I was surprised how many people didn't like
and I'm not talking about you know, casual fans like
folks who comment on this sport on social media were
expressed of the fact that they didn't know that rule.
Bengals do win twenty seven to twenty, so their playoff
hopes remain flickering. It gets set to go to Tennessee
this weekend and take on the Titans, and we'll talk

(04:53):
about the nuts and bolts of the game, but let's
be honest, the game itself kind of took a back
seat to some of the things that Joe Burrow had
to say after the game. These are the comments that
we spend a lot of time late last night parsing
and picking through and trying to interpret and getting excited
about and debating and discussing. And we'll continue that. Today,

(05:15):
here is Joe Burrow talking about t Higgins after the game.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Tap for Yeah, we don't know, but you know those
discussions are ongoing, and I'm confident that I think we're
gonna be able to do what it takes to bring
Tea back. And you know, I know that I'm going
to do what it takes to get him back, and

(05:40):
so is he. We've had those talks, so you know
those are those are going to be off season discussions.
But I think we're excited about that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Joe Burrow last.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Night, I am more fascinated by this than honestly anything
I've heard from like you and I. Every time he speaks,
we we air his press conferences. I've listened to him
since he's been here get up and talk to the media.
I've listened to him in the postgame talk to the media.
That was as calculated of a comment as you'll ever

(06:14):
find from Joe Burrow. The T Higgins deal didn't get done.
He didn't speak about that in the preseason, didn't speak
about it at any point during the season, never has
never talked about Jamar Chase in the contract. He's kind
of stayed on his path and last night in early December,
after what is almost a meaningless win where t Higgins

(06:34):
had two catches for twenty three. That's the time you
decide to go all in. It was oddly calculated, and
the way he says we're gonna do everything we can,
I'm going to do everything I can. There is a
very easy path where he could have had these conversations

(06:55):
behind closed doors, went in and said, hey, Duke, you
got to get this done. He used the media last
night after a win which this team has been looking for.
After he continues another step in what would be an
MVP season if this team had a winning record where
the other receiver continues to lead in all triple Crown categories,

(07:15):
he chooses that platform to openly talk about it and,
in my opinion, throw everything right at the front office.
I'm fascinated.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I am too, and I think there's so many different
interesting angles, not the least of which was I think
the first question that all of us asked last night
is Joe insinuating that he is prepared to restructure his
contract right and take a pay cut. Now. I want
to be clear about this. I don't think an athlete
ever has any obligations or take a pay cut, restructure
their contract like it's I used to hear this all

(07:47):
the time when when Joe Evada was making the money
he was making with the Reds, Well he should take
a pay cut, Like no, no, no, that's not his
job to give Bob Castellini alone. It's certainly not Joe
Burrow's responsibility or obligation to restructure it. But if he did,
it would certainly make things at least a little bit easier.
It would certainly be noteworthy. And I went to bed

(08:08):
last night thinking, like, I think there's a decent chance
Joe Burrow just told us he is going to, at
least in the short term, restructure his existing deal.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
The interesting part to me is you cannot let yourself
last night put the blinders onto what the whole season
has been. Cooper Rush isn't good right that Cowboys offense.
So you can't go down the path of they're gonna
play Tennessee this week, who also isn't good on offense?
You can't, Well, they only gave up twenty. Maybe the
defense is figuring it out. Maybe they're not as deficient.

(08:40):
Because here's the deal, they are deficient on defense, they're
also deficient on the offensive line. There is a ton
of money that has to get pumped into the old
line and the defense if this team wants to be
serious about a Super Bowl, because they tried it this year,
T Joe Jamar just outscore everyone. That doesn't work. It
can't happen that way. So you have a Larry neat

(09:00):
On defense. In many spots, the old line needs to
be revamped, and you will be haunted continuously because you
didn't get the Jamar Chase deal done.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
No doubt about it. They they could very.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well in guaranteed money, have one hundred million locked up
between Burrow and Chase. Chase could legitimately make forty five
a year.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
They screwed it up.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
They they screwed it up.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
They screwed it up.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yes, So if that's one hundred where are you sliding
tea in so that you can also address pretty much
the whole defense and also address the old line at
the guard positions, which has been terrible.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So you you touched on something that I thought about
too last night. So everybody after the game is talking
about T Higgins and Joe Burrow scares Jamar Chase, and
that's fine, Like, do we all wish T Higgins played
for the Bengals in twenty twenty five. Of course, he's
a very good player. I know what this offense looks
like when Joe and Jamar and T are on the field.

(09:54):
Like that, sign me up. Yeah. But for me at least,
the two bigg to do items this offseason are very obvious.
Fix the defense and fix the offensive line. And so
there was a part of me last night that's like, boy,
Joe Burrow just said, hey, look over here, Hey, look
over here at T Higgins, Look over here, Look hey,

(10:15):
look over here, and where for weeks we were looking
over here at a bad defense which was okay ish
last night, at a bad offensive line which was terrible
last night. I put this on social media this morning,
and like, I certainly am of the belief that a

(10:36):
well run organization and a creative and good front office
that's good at drafting can sign Jamar, can sign T
and obviously have Joe Burrow making the coin that he's
making and get all that stuff fixed. But that stuff
still has to be fixed. Like, regardless of whether T
Higgins is a Bengal or not next year, the biggest
offseason storyline for me is how many more years are

(10:57):
you going to waste greatness and waste MVP caliber seasons
by your quarterback because your defense stinks? And how many
more times is Joe Burrow gonna have to play behind
an offensive line that isn't very good regardless of what
happens with T And it might be easier if he's
not here. That's that's the storyline of this offseason. And

(11:19):
I kind of felt like last night Joe Burrow did
the people that he works with and the people that
he works for a solid buy deflecting the attention away
from those things.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's going
to bring more attention to it if they don't work
out something with T because that it Well, Joe's not
gonna be happy, you know, because at the end of
the day, that to me felt like the first time
that Joe was after the game, like I'm tired of
taking a beating. I hope he I want T to
be back, Like he didn't. He didn't say much. He
brings everything on himself. I gotta be better.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was bunny, But last week was interesting too, because
he talked about cornerstones and he talked about learning a
lot about his teammates.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
So it's so calculated. Everything he says, Like I said,
it's so calculated. What I think think becomes even more interesting,
Like Okay, Joe says that, does Jamar Chase want to
give up stuff to get tea No, because then but
the conversation would then go, Okay, give t a three year,

(12:14):
eighty seventy five million dollars deal and then franchise tag
Jamar and then work on that. Jamar's wait a second,
I just did this. I just bet on myself. I
want my money now. Yeah, so you're not like Joe
would have to restructure what does that mean to Jamar's
contract to try to get T involved. It's just to me,
it was just weird timing because here's a quarterback that's

(12:37):
getting beat up. Here's a quarterback that's doing everything he
can that would be an MVP, that's leading the NFL
and passing yards, passing touchdowns, yards per game, all of
these categories, while essentially putting the team on his back
because the old line can't protect to run a normal route.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And now he's.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Saying, I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure
teas here. We are gonna do everything we can to
make sure Te's here. Okay, now, balls in your court,
front office, and oh, by the way, you better fix
this O line and you better fix that defense because
going all in on the offense clearly doesn't work. And oh,
by the way, Miles Murphy right now is ranked dead
last out of all edge rushers that were drafted in

(13:14):
twenty twenty three. He got thirty four edge snaps last night,
zero wins from a pass standpoint. That's your number one
pick from two years ago that has played almost six
hundred snaps and produced no So now there's more onus
on the draft. You can't miss on your draft picks,
you can't miss on the free agents you bring in.
I'm not letting Geno stones one good game shield me

(13:35):
from the fact that he's been terrible all year, or
Joseph Osai in a couple of good games back to back.
I know what Joe, as you mentioned, was trying to do.
You can't let that take the attention away from what
really needs to get done with this.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Team, and what has to get done is going to
be really hard, yes, and was going to be really hard.
We talked about this all season long. What they have
to do this offseason is going to be hard. If
t Higgins is not a Bengal next year and you
have the money that he would be making cleared up,

(14:08):
that's going to be hard. It's also going to be
hard if he is here. Yeah, And so yeah, the
te talk is interesting for a lot of different reasons.
And if they bring him back, sure, awesome. But what
this team has to do and I sort of felt
like just watching things unfold on social media late last night,
there was a surge of excitement because of what Joe

(14:30):
said about Tea, and then they won the football game
and so now it's, oh, just just use your cap
space and your draft choice is on the offensive line
and on defense. Yeah, cool, just like they did with
this year's team, right right, just like they have right.
So man, I am here for as many different te

(14:50):
topics as you want to tap into, but I find
it less important than the thing that has doomed this
team and the thing that most directly puts the co
quarterback in harm's way. What's most doing this team this
year has been its atrocious defense, and what most puts
the quarterback in harm's way is a bad offensive line.
If those things don't get fixed. I don't care if
Jamar Chase and T Higgins are playing for the Bengals

(15:12):
next year or if Jamar Chase and another wide receiver
are one or two. It's not going to matter.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
But like to dig in further, is that comment because
Joe at this point the season hasn't seen it from
the other guys, and this is Joe saying I better
have him.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Good question?

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Or what is even more confusing to me. Let's say
the roles were switched. Let's say it was Tea last
night that had fourteen catches bucks seventy plus two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Okay, after a game like that, Yeah, that's my guy.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
We need him. He had two catches on five targets. Yeah,
So it wasn't like it was the monster game from Tea.
That hasn't top of mind. That's like, oh, we're gonna
get something done with him. He was a non factor
in that game.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think it was because they were try captains last night.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, and Ben asked the question of, you know, do
you allow yourself to think that that might be it.
He's had a whole season to talk about Tea, He's
had an off season to talk about t to step
up and say, doesn't sounding it's getting done. We need
to get something done. And he waited till December on
a game where te really didn't have an impact, which
makes me okay, Is that another statement to the front
office that the other guys in.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
The room aren't ready to go? Sure?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Is that we better have him because we don't really
have much else. Yoshi vas had a drop last night.
Burton really hasn't stepped into the role this year, so
maybe that has something to do with it as well.
It's by any means, it's more fascinating than anything I
thought we would be talking about. Win or lose It
is on December tenth.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Joe Burrow did everybody a favor last night. He did
us a favor, He did Bengals content creators a favor,
He did his general manager of favor. He did his
teammates a favor. Hey, look at me, let's talk about
me and t Higgins and we're not going to talk
about a bad defense and a bad offense.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
And twenty one minutes in, we hadn't even mentioned his
pregame outfit.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Maybe that's why he did it.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Perhaps it could be we have a lot of groundcover
between now and six o'clock. We're here at Twin Peaks
in Florence. Knows Zach Taylor press conference today. We'll have
those for you tomorrow. Banksy Titans on Sunday had one.
The game is live on. Yes, excuse me, ESPN fifteen thirty.
You made an allusion to something that I was going

(17:20):
to ask you in the next segment, but I'll tap
into it. Nonetheless, a lot more on Joe Burrow's postgame
comments last night. We'll talk about the game itself, go
through everything that went down in Week fourteen, to the
NFL talking about the playoff race, to some college football
a little bit later on the Tony and mol Football
Show ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Then after three o'clock,

(17:42):
this is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger with Tony Pike, Tonian
Mo Football Show, broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Florence. We
are here till six o'clock. We are back in Westchester.
On Monday, the Bengals take on the Tennessee Titans. Cincinnati
a favorite again on the road on Sunday. I mentioned

(18:02):
this before they won last night in a manner that
kind of felt like a twenty twenty four Kansas City
Chiefs break right where you get something that happens to
your benefit at just precisely the right time. If the
Bengals don't get the ball there, they don't win the football. No,
it's over. I mean, I hate to get a kicker

(18:23):
that the Cowboys have in the position they would have gotten.
And sometimes you need luck man like luck is that's
a whole different brand. But that's yeah. Like I'm sorry
if if the Dallas Cowboys do what they're supposed to
do and they get out of the way the football,
I don't think the Bengals win the game. No, do
you think if they lose the game? Joe says what he.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Says, probably not because I think it was in that
winning spirit that it was brought. Now, you know, if
they lose that game, is Ben asking the question about them, right,
you know? Or it more about because if they lose,
the conversation probably shifts to the last drive. You know,

(19:05):
you shoot yourselves in the foot o line has misprotections,
you give up a bad penalty, probably talk more about
the no calls, which I'm sure we'll dive into as well. Yes,
but when you win, you don't have to harp on
that as much. And you can look at Okay, here's
a couple positives. You guys were out there together. What's

(19:26):
that mean? I don't think it gets asked if they
lose the game, which ultimately I don't think we get
the answer.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Agreed. That was my one of my first thoughts last
night was, Hey, I wonder how long Joe has been
holding onto that.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean he might have very well been waiting
until they win a game to talk about.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Waiting until they win the game, or waiting until another
media availability, because he has won every single week. But
you know, like you think of the reverberation if they
if they lose the game, and I hate to say this,
and again, like you get lucky sometimes, and the Bengals
got lucky. You have to take advantage of other team's mistakes,
and the Bengals didn't. Good for them. That's that's what

(20:04):
you do when you win the gains.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
There's a lot of other teams that they will say
they got lucky against the Bengals, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean luck went their way last night. Oftentimes this
year it has not. But if they lose that game
and they're four and nine. I don't think anybody's dismissing boy.
They got to fix the defense, right, I don't think
anybody's dismissing boy. They got to fix the offensive line.
And frankly, I don't think anybody really wants to hear
about t Higgins next year.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Especially if they lost the game and he came off
a two catch night with a couple drops like It's
just it was the And that's why I said it
was so calculated, because it's the time, it's the place,
it's after a win, and you're not having to dive
into man o line collapse on that last drive allowed
them to have to punt, the punt gets blocked, you know,

(20:51):
It's it's just.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
It.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Like I said, it's the perfect storm of what happened
last night and the calculation timing from Joe Burrow to
say that.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Jamar Chase was awesome again. Yeah, and we'll have to
talk about him when we come back. Instead of three
point thirty. We're at Twin Peaks in Florence. It's the
Tony and Mo Football Show. By the way, one of
our colleagues is here. We're not going to say who
it is. Yes, one of our colleagues is here. It's
always great when our colleagues come to work or come
to the show doing work over there.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
That's the good part. He's still work runching the numbers,
so he said, he's not here, just putting it in
cruise control.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh, you know, we have a lot of folks that
we work with. We'll tell us like, I just can't
wait to see the show swamped. That's why I can't
get out there. I want to.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
There's there's Wi fi here, there is you can connect
to their free WiFi.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, get some work done.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And also have some food, drinks and listen to the
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Speaker 3 (21:49):
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Lots more tonight on Bengals Line from six to nine
tonight live on ESPN fifteen thirty. This sucks. Joe Burrow
his house was busted into man while he was playing
the game I Guess last night. Karen Johnson of Channel
five is all over that story if you want the details.

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Fortunately no one was hurt, but that completely sucks. I'm
reading FootballScoop dot com that reports multiple sources till at
Ball Scoop that Scott Sadderfield is parting ways with veteran
assistant Kerry COLMSLS coach Cornerbacks and special Teams at UC
since coming back in twenty twenty two. College basketball Tonight

(23:12):
Xavier's final game before the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout, Musketeers
hosting Morgan State. That game will tip off at seven
o'clock tonight on seven hundred WLW. If you're looking for
the NKU Coaches Show. It is tonight at six on
Fox Sports thirteen sixty, and then after that you'll be
able to hear the game between the Columbus Blue Jackets
and the Philadelphia fly How about that loaded night. All

(23:35):
of that stuff you can catch on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Shootout Week, Shootout.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Week kicking into hyper drive. UNBELI I guess starting tomorrow,
I'm excited. Wes Miller imploring people to not hit any.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Of his Please don't hit anyone this week.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Which I had frankly had forgotten that that happened right
before the shootout. I knew it happened, well see mos
Luke Coaches. I forgot that it was right before the
Skylight Jillie Crossdown shootout.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Last Man imploring fans don't hit hitting one on campus.
Maybe a protective detail for some of the players.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
This week, just you know, staying here.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yes, they should be locked in anyway week and shootout week.
They don't need to be out anywhere.

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(24:39):
Love those folks at sweet Life Heating and the Air.
We can have a lot of fun with Jamar Chase numbers.
He was again just terrific last night. I saw this
from Ben Solak of ESPN. With fourteen catches and one
hundred and seventy seven yards and a couple of touchdowns.
Jamar Chase is the first receiver with a ten plus

(25:00):
won seventy five plus two plus games since Jamar Chase, Yeah,
Week ten against Baltimore. Who was the first receiver to
do it since Jamar Chase Week five against Baltimore. It's uh,
it is unbelievable. The season that he is having insane.

(25:21):
It's insane. It's insane. And then I saw this from
Jay Morrison, so obviously, Chase fourteen receptions, one seventy seven
to two now has three games this season with at
least ten catches, one hundred and seventy five yards and
a couple of touchdowns. No other player in NFL history
has had more than one such game in the season. Yeah,
he has three with four games to.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Go, with zero training camp, with betting on himself, with
no new contract, and now we'll cash in on the
richest wide receiver deal in the history of the NFL.
So it will be worth It doesn't matter what the
number comes out to. There will be no one that says, oh,
he didn't deserve that.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Correct. So he had a game last year against the
Cardinals fifteen for one to ninety three and three touchdowns.
And then the greatest game I've ever seen a wide
receiver play was that game in the regular season against
the Chiefs in twenty twenty one, eleven catches, two sixty
six and three touchdowns. No player in the history of
the league has more than Jamar's five games with ten
or more catches, one hundred and seventy five or more

(26:24):
yards and two or more touchdowns. Yeah, he's in year four.
I think it's really fun to think about. Statistically, Let's
assume he enjoys normal NFL health, which doesn't mean he's
not going to miss a game, but you know, gets
through the next four or five seasons mostly unscathed and
plays all those years with Joe Burrowl. It's insane to

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think about what those numbers might look like.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
You can't even begin to put a cap on what
they can look like, because again I go back. T
Higgins has missed multiple games this year, and it's been
it's Jamar Chase and nobody else. He Mike Ga sick.
He has had flashes. Yoshiva has been good in the
red zone. Burton has caught a couple of deep balls,
but for the most part, every single defense knows what
he's doing. And you know, I get asked all the time,

(27:09):
how are they doing it? The problem is that most
of their completions in big plays is just improvising. It's
extending the play. It's scramble drill, it's Joe Burrow literally
pointing to him mid route where to go. They're just,
you know, they highlighted it last night during the game,
and I don't know, I know you probably watched the
Simpsons broadcast, but they on the other broadcast the first

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touchdown to chase the balls out before he gets out
of his break in the red zone, which is hard
to do. They're just they're on a whole different level.
And what he provides after the catch is insane. Obviously,
he's leading the Triple Crown, Burrow's leading in three major
quarterback categories. They are they are doing something that no

(27:53):
one else in the league does. If you look at
all the other top wide receiver quarterback combinations in the league,
they're all in the playoffs or vying for the playoffs.
And the Bengals are doing it when every single opponent
knows exactly what's coming, and they're still finding ways to
do it.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah. I mean, that's the remarkable thing to me is
you go into a game defensively thinking, Okay, we're not
gonna be able to stop Jamar Chase, but you spend
all week trying to figure out how we can keep
him from just destroying us, dominating us, and you're still
helpless against it. Right, And it's not just the numbers.
You know, Jamar's first season, we saw him. That offense

(28:27):
that year was a lot of effort. Ye, Jamar's down there,
go get it to him. And we saw that at
the end of first halfs of games that season, where
the offense would sort of spin its tires and then
Joe would hit Jamar downfield and the offense would open up.
You're seeing him line up in every conceivable spot and
you're seeing him make catches after running every route on

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the tree.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
What I like last night even I mean that you
saw the Jets sweep different ways to get to the ball.
What I liked last night is, you know, I watched
the replay of Collinsworth on the Manning cast calling his shot, yeah,
which was really cool. Yeah, you know, and the excitement
that he had watching that. But if you watch that,
Peyton is employing the run the ball, Run the ball,
run the ball, because you're on the forty run the ball,

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eat up some clock and they wanted no part of it.
They spread them out, They took advantage of the matchup
and in a tie game with a minute and fifteen
left on the forty yard line, instead of playing for
a field goal, they continued to push the issue and
they got rewarded for it, because again, that guy with
the ball in his hand is going to make the
first guy miss ninety nine percent of the time. And

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then he's got the speed, he's got the power, he's
got the athleticism to make you miss or just outrun you.
He's such a unicorn and so many things that he does.
And I loved the fact last night that they didn't
let their foot up and say, Okay, we're just going
to try to get this field goal and win. Yes,
they went and won the football game, which we've asked
them to do at times this year.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Did you watch any of the Simpsons broadcast?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
I watched the first offensive possession on regular broadcast and
I flipped it over to The Simpsons to see what
was going on, and it was delayed so you could
see the first third down where t dropped the ball,
and on the broadcast for the Simpsons, you couldn't even
see the ball leave Bartan, So I was like, this
probably isn't for me. I enjoyed watching the highlights, yes

(30:16):
that we're posted online. Yes, but I watched most of
the game last night through the lens of a normal
Monday night game, as did I ain't got to listen
to Troy Aikman singing the Absolute Praises of Joe Burrow
as one of his favorite no question quarter.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Watch, Yeah, no questions. So I didn't see any of
the Simpsons broadcast live. I saw some highlights and it
was funny and cute. I could not have imagined watching
an entire game like that. I'm also not a huge
Simpsons guy. That's okay. I went back. I taped the
Manning Cast because I wanted to watch Belichick talk about

(30:50):
the Bengals, and he had.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Some point in the defense yeah, to.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Say about the defense, which were really good. And then
collins Worth I thought was outstanding. I'll be honest with you,
I'm not a big Manning Cast guy number one. If
I care about the.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Game, right, it's a different view of how you're and.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I just don't think Peyton and Eli are as interesting.
I like them more.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
As breaking down instead of feeling I have to interview
so many of the guests. When they were just breaking
down plays and what the defense was doing it, yeah,
now it's like they they're forced to get so many
questions and guests in that it just becomes flooded with that.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I in fact last night watching it this morning, and
again I wanted to watch Belichick and I wanted to
watch Collinsworth. That's the most many cast I've watched in
two seasons. The first year of it, it was kind
of novel, interesting and different, and I would pay attention
to the guests. I think I'm in the minority. I
just I don't think either guys to watch the game

(31:47):
in that I don't think either guy's as charismatic or
as funny or as entertaining as everybody else does. And
that's okay. I do think when they actually talk.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Ball, yeah that's what That's what I watched it for.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Game there.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, but the guest that it clouds it a little
bit with how many guests they try to get on.
But bigger moments, yes, I'll just say I'll flip back
and okay, break down that touchdown that just happened. Things
like that I enjoy to say.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
It is thirteen away from four o'clock. I want to
know if if maybe we could start a little bit
of a contest among Bengals offensive linemen. Let me come back.
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(33:33):
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Come on out and hang out at Twin Peaks if
you can't get here this afternoon, perhaps for dinner later
on this evening. We got meatball skillets coming, man, we
got cold beers. What a day really is a great day.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Lot's going on got a coworker stop by to see
us and bought us a beer. Not even what we
have to come for all three hours. Come say hello,
stop by, show your support. If you I want to
buy us a beverage, that's great, but not required. Bourbon's fine.
We really do appreciate it. We are up to four four.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Of our colleagues. Four colleagues have come to be a
part of the show in fourteen weeks.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
In fourteen weeks, in our tenth year of doing this great.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
One of the things that I, if I value about
Twin Peaks, the bourbon collection is unbelievable. It is like
like a type of collection you just sit and stare at,
like there are oftentimes I go to the restroom and
that bourbon cabinet is right there.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Man, I wish they just sold these, yeah, so that
I can get a nice bottle of bourbon. Well, get
a poor right here? That about that a Twin Peaks
celebrate a win.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
You know, perhaps after one of these shows will have
a celebratory poor. Maybe after the last show to celebrate
ten years in the tone. How about that football show,
the performance of the defense last night? And now many
have looked at these last five games. As Lou and
Arumo may be coaching for his job, how much did
last night help?

Speaker 4 (35:05):
It shouldn't at all. Cooper Rush isn't good. That's not
a good outside of Ceedee Lamb, which early in the
game I thought he was gonna have twenty four catches.
I thought Lou did a good job of implementing some
different looks last night. Gino Stone came on a safety
blitz and got home. Joseph Osai had some individually, Cam

(35:27):
Taylor Britt played pretty well last night. Trey Hendrickson got
himself another sack. Jermaine Pratt, albeit missing some tackles, I
thought was good and.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
He had to flop.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
They played well in Spurts, But that's a bad team.
It's a bad offense, and it's very easy to kind
of fall down that path. And they're going to play
another band one this week in the Tennessee Titans. The
body of work has not been good enough. The wasted
opportunities that the offense been has provided that haven't been

(36:02):
cashed from a win standpoint is not good enough. So
yes we are. We're creatures of habit. We live in
the moment and you think, oh, twenty points on the
road Dallas.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
That's winnable.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, it hasn't been the case enough this year to
change the overall feel of the defense.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Now give credit words due. Joseph Osai had his moments.
Geno Stone played well. We've both been loud Geno Stone critics.
He played well last night. They had someone named Marco
Wilson on the field last night. Marco the guy who
threw the shoe when he was at Florida playing against LSU.
He was on the field for twelve snaps and looked
like he belonged. I didn't come away. I'm looking You

(36:42):
and I have both talked about this cornerstones. Who are
the cornerstones? I'm looking for cornerstones on defense. So like
that's how I'm watching these last five games. That's how
I watched last night. Who are the cornerstones? Like Joseph
Osai had his first good game? And how long? Right,
Geno Stone had his first good game maybe in the season.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Right, It's a body of work that you have to.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Exactly yeah, yeah, and so in my opinion, you could
you could, certainly, I think make cases four and against
leu a Rumo coming back. But if you were dead
set on him not being the defensive coordinator of the
Bengals going into last night. You can't tell me that
based on one performance against the team that's not very
good offensively, you've done a one eighty and change your mind.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Correct. I could not agree completely. They also got production
from Cade York. They did at a delay again with
a PA yeah, which.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I praise Jesus. Girl's fine.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
He was praising every time that I wanted to see
him maybe get a chance to win it from fifty six.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Well, what would the girlfriend's reaction on a man at
that point? Because when he made the pat yeah, you
could tell she was happy. Right, But let's say Caid
York is on the field and it's you know, eight
seconds left and it's beating her twenty twenty three to
twenty and he's going to make the kick to tie
the game. Yeah, and he shanks it.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Oh, she excited because the Cowboys won?

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Or he makes it since it to overtime? Is she
allowed to express joy for Kate?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Jerry Jones could fire her.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Austin had the pole question last night, what's the more
impressive feat being an NFL player which you have been
or dating at Dallas Cowboys cheerlead.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Probably the latter.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
See to me, it's about numbers. There's only thirty six
Dallas Cowboys cheerleader right, most of them or many of them,
I'm sure are taken. There's like seventeen hundred active roster
spots in the NFL. It's different. Plus practice squad and
guys on I are.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow, Kay York were fantastic at LSU.
Now one to er together on an NFL roster. Wow,
that was their kicker at LSU.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Do we know how he met the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Some training thing when the off season because he had
been moved on from because of a bad start to
the year, but really got his opportunity. So howd you
get a delay a game on a PATM Not ideal?
Maybe they're just trying to get him in his comfort zone.
Sure back a little bit, but further you know, if
they can't make a deal to get Jefferson, and you
can always bring Thattys Moss back and just add more

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LSU to the fire.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
What's Sattius Moss doing these days?

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Couldn't tell you, not kicking or dating a Dallas Cowboy?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Check I don't know that he is or isn't dating
a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And I know he's not kicking.
I know he's not a good player in the NFL.
Chase Brown had a good game last night, solid fifty
eight yards rushing and then had six catches for sixty
five yards and the nineteen yard touchdown. He now has
over one hundred yards from scrimmage in four of the
last five games. And I watch him and I can't

(39:35):
help but wonder what if because this is maybe not fair.
I go back to last year you and I wondered, like,
why aren't they using Chase Brown? And then if you remember,
they kind of started to when Browning took over, and
then they kind of got away from him. And I'm
watching how he's been used and how good he has been,
and I think they've done a really good job this
year of identifying a really good role for him. Why

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could they do this over a year ago?

Speaker 4 (39:58):
You know what? I think that too, But what I
think is interesting. They're so odd in the fact that
it feels like they have such great rhythm at times
in the run game, and then their run game goes
to one or two yard carries it's so hot or cold.
I guess what I want to know with Chase Brown
going forward, what's the next step in the evolution and

(40:21):
can he start getting some opportunities on second and third
and short where this team struggles mightily. Because had things
gone sour last night, and we're talking about key moments
of the game, I would look at the play called
down near the goal line on second and two which
did not succeed, and then the fade route a lower
percentage throw to t Higgins on the third and goal.
I just they are uneasy on third and short and

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fourth and short, and with a duo like Chase and Burrow,
you would think Chase Brown would find some success with
as hard as he runs in third and fourth and short,
more than they found this year.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Would you do it running back this offseason?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
You have to address some point of the backup. I
thought Khalil Herbert was okay last night. I just don't
know if that's your number two, I could I could
make the case to draft a running back to be
your number two. Chase Brown's clear lead back. I see
so many Bengal fans put Ashton genty up there as
their number one pick. There's more holes on this team

(41:25):
that need to be filled. You're not going to use
a first round pick on a second string running back,
but I think it's a position you have to.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
If you drafted Ashton Gent he's your top running back,
you're not. I mean, I don't think they should draft
a running back, And I just think.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
That I've seen enough from Chase Brown that I don't
want him losing carries.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
No, I want his role to continue to expand. But
I do think they need to address that position. And
it might not be the most pressing in relation to
the defense and the offensive line like that.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
But one of the more fascinating things to me, where
if the season ended today and they have the tenth
overall pick and not knowing the bones of where players
are slotted at number ten, what position is number one
on the list? Because they are now back into the
whole mold of we've talked about this before, like mel
Kuiper on Draft night, Kiper's best needs everything everything outside

(42:18):
of quarterback. Yes, if they move on from t wide
receivers up there, you can make a case for every position.
What if they drafted tonight, what position would you attack
at number ten?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I think their biggest need is pass rush. And that's
not the first that's not the first time we've said that.
There's a reason why they took Miles Murphy two years ago. Yeah,
so the pass rush over the last couple of years
has been more and more of an issue, and it's
been an issue even despite Trey Hendrickson's greatness. Now, look, man,

(42:57):
you could certainly tell me, hey, let's build the defense
from the back and go find a shutdown corner because
they need so many guys on defense. I'm not gonna
argue against any of them. But if you said to me, hey, look,
here's the best pass rusher in the draft, and here's
the best corner in the draft, and here's the best
safety in the draft, and here's the best linebacker in
the draft, I'm taking the guy can get after the quarterback,

(43:18):
because when I look at them defensively this year, where
their issues have started for the most part is the
inability to get to the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
So would you concur I would to follow that your
defensive end right now leads the league in sacks. Burrow
just implored the organization to get a deal with t
Higgins done. Would you allow that to come at the
expense of moving on from Trey Hendrickson, because, let's face it,
thirty years old, gonna be thirty one, probably if he

(43:48):
was unhappy this offseason, is gonna come back to the
Bengals and say, look, I just led the NFL in sacks.
I want to rework my deal. If you're the Bengals
and you have the priority of Tea and you have
all these other holes to fit ill, you could probably
get a pretty good return for Trey Hendrickson. Would you
prioritize that if you do prioritize t Higgins?

Speaker 3 (44:09):
What I prioritize on from Trey?

Speaker 4 (44:13):
I mean prioritizing if it means that t Higgins is
going to be back with this team.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Prioritizing it means you're giving them away. I want to
flip him for assets. Sure, so I'm interested in doing that.
I guess what I would wonder is he is thirty.
He is still productive.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
He's been productive for the most part in a five
game stretch, Yes, where he has dominated, he's had no help,
but he has not had help. But there have been
games against the better teams where there hasn't been as
much production. Lead the league in sacks, however you slice
it is leading the league in sacks. But do you
sell while that stock is at its highest? If you

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know you have so many holes to fill, and all
of a sudden your quarterback's putting pressure on you to
add this well wide receiver piece.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I've got to accumulate draft assets. I would assume they're
not gonna trade Jamar Chase. I would assume that if joke,
it'd be insane. But about I'm gonna go ahead and
assume that if we're worried about Joe's reaction to what
happens a wide receiver, they're not gonna trade Jamar Chase
and nobody wants them to. So who could you trade
for draft capital that would get you something back significant?

(45:23):
That list is pretty small. It's Trey Hendrickson. At the
same time, if you're, hey, our biggest need is pass rush,
how much more of a need is it if you
trade away your best pass rusher? Right? But like this
illustrates the conundrum they're in, Right, Like we talked about
this before, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna

(45:44):
beat this to death in the coming months. Talk about
t Higgins. All you want this defense has been broken
all year long, since Game one, all year long. It's
got to be fixed and it can't just be patchwork.
And I know what Summer gonna say, Well, you know,
you just have to have like the twentieth best defense.
When your ceiling's not high, your floor is low. So

(46:06):
let's get to work on building a really good defense.
Is that gonna happen in one offseason? Probably not unless
you can get a huge, large influx of talent, right,
And that's that's only gonna happen with more draft choices
and really good free agencies something.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Yeah, and probably dumping some salary.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Without question, Like on that defense. We've done this before
on that defense. How many guys do you want to
bring back? Right?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
But that's same in the same conversation of he's probably
gonna want more money, no doubt. Are you gonna throw
more money at him, lose out on maybe T and
not have as much money to spend.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Still, Yeah, it's they're in a they're in it like
it's I think for a lot of folks. Joe talks
about tea and it's simple, get bring tea back, dude.
They're five and eight with t Higgins and Jamar Chase, right,
And that's not tea fault. You would like for him
to have played in all the games, and certainly not
Jamar's fault. It's not Joe's fault. It's the fault of

(47:05):
a roster that is deficient. And so you know, again,
I kind of feel like the t Higgins stuff last
night was hey, look over here and ignore this area
of the team that is awful. And again, like, I
know there are players on this year's defense who are
going to play on the team next year, But how
many of them are you? Like, God, I need that
guy back? How many of them? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
I mean, how many of them? If they moved on
from them today? Would you got They're not going to
recover from that?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
None? Legitimately. Now, do I hold out hope that Dak
Siel can be a productive NFL player? Yes? Do I
hold out hope that Cam Taylor Brick can be a consistent,
productive player, Yes, But I think it's absurd to suggest
that he's going to be your top corner next season.
Am I okay with the linebackers, but I need difference makers.

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There are none except for Trey on this team, and
his ability to make a difference has been limited by
the fact that there's just not a lot of talent
anywhere else on defense, Like there's just on that side
of the ball, just a bunch of guys.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
What are the numbers of Trey Hendrickson if he has
any help?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Insane? Right, insane? So I to defend myself on social media.
I brought this up not because I'm anti bring back tea.
I'm very much in favor of bringing back tea. But
once you decide to do that, Okay, Now the real
hard work begins, which is fix the defense and fix

(48:28):
the offensive line. Tony, they are playing with fire with
that offensive line.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
I was ready last night because I was on it
last week. If they lose that game last night, let's
go what I saw.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
He's out.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yes, he's not playing again. He's limping off the field,
he's taking unnecessary hits. Orlando Brown Junior is not going
to play again this year.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It all likely had the knee brace on after the
end last I I'm good. I was doing what you
were doing doing. You know what I am? I okay,
losing this game if I take Joe Burrow out just
to play the long game, and like.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I'm left holding my breath more and more and more
on the hits that he takes. His head bounced off
the ground last night on the Micah Parson's hit. He's
getting bent back in all different ways on other hits
for what?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
For what?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I have no issue with him playing right now.
But if you watch him play behind that offensive line
and you are okay putting him out there when they
are playing games in which they are mathematically chance is
a chance, no problem at all, play him this Sunday. You.

(49:34):
I think you owe it to yourself and you owe
it to your fans to do everything you can while
mathematically there's a chance. Fine, But if you want to
keep putting him behind that offensive line if they're playing
meaningless games, I'd.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Hate popping him back forty times.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I'd hate to see what you do with real life invest.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Forty five passes, forty passes?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Right?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Good luck?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, it's twenty one minutes after four o'clock. He's Tony
Pike on Mullweger. Another question about Joe Burrow's postgame comments
last night. Next Tony m Football Show at Twin Peaks
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Speaker 2 (50:03):
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Speaker 3 (50:16):
Football Show Twin Peaks in Florence. We are here till
six o'clock. Bengals win last night, twenty seven to twenty
over the Dallas Cowboys. We spent a fair amount of
time on the game, but frankly a little bit more
time on what was said after the game. Here's what
I'm sort of, I don't know, skeptical of. So you know,

(50:40):
Joe Burrow says what he says last night and talks
about there being a way to keep Tea. And the
first question most of us had was, Okay, is is
he going to restructure his contract? And by the way,
if he does, great whatever, that's his DISI again, and
other quarterbacks have done yeah and uhit, move it back.
It's not his responsibility. But if he does a terrific fine,

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You'll find folks who say, and I think understandably, so
like this is a shot across the bow at the
front office and at ownership, Hey, here's what I want.
You haven't gotten it done. Yet get it done. Knowing
what you know about the Bengals, how they're structured, how
they do things, and how they've done things for a

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very long time, do we really believe they're going to
let Joe Burrow tell them what to do? Correct?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
But I guess the ultimate question that I then have,
If not Joe Burrow, it will never be anybody correct
Because here is a guy in the midst of what
should be celebrated as an MVP season.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
If this team's competent.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Sure he's an MVP top two guy right now, and
they're going to the playoffs, and they're going to the playoffs.
If that season is being put together while also taking
the amount of hits that he's taken, putting his body
on the line out there, Uh, bringing the onus to himself.
I've got to be better. I've got to get things
figured out. Then you you have a guy that's been

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the ultimate professional and the ultimate leader of your team
and your organization and the face of everything you want
to be about. If you're not gonna listen when that
guy speaks up, what message are you then sending, right?
And what message do you send to Joe Burrow? If
Joe Burrow has sat by and just bited his time,
watched it how the offseason played out, looked at everything

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that's happened during the season, and finally chooses his moment.
And if that moment falls on deaf ears, what is
the reaction then from Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
No, I mean, that's that's part of this. I guess.
I've been following this team for a very long time.
This is not a franchise that allows outsiders or even
insiders to tell them what to do. Now, I would
completely agree with the notion that if Joe Burrow speaks,
you should at least pay very close attention. Yep. And look,

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I don't think you just automatically give him everything he wants.
I think you have to present to Joe, well, look,
we could do it this way, or we could do
it this way, and then if he in some way
holds you accountable for it not working. If you do
it the other way, then you have to live with it.
But they didn't let Carson Palmer tell him what to do.
They've not allowed them in to tell him what to do.

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They've had players, including two on this year's team, request trades.
They've had a lot of players in franchise history, request trades,
they've made deeply unpopular decisions about the head coach, bringing
coaches back, renewing their contracts, like last night felt like
boy a shockwave of a statement from Joe Burrow, right,

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and it's gonna reverberate and it's gonna cause ripple effect
all throughout the fan base. Knowing what I know about
how this franchise operates, I think it's fair to wonder
is the shockwave we are feeling felt there outside the
walls of what used to be called Paul Brown Stadium?
And I can't help but think the answer is probably no.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
And if not, then then I mean, where do you
go from there? If you're Joe Burrow? What does your
reaction become? If you're Joe Burrow? Because, like you said,
at the very least you sit down and say.

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Wide receiver Tyron Smith announces he is entering the transfer portal.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
A lot of wide receivers leaving this team, whether to
go to the draft or the transfer portal, should be
interesting to watch for Scott saderfields a.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Bunch, no question about that. Who's the best team in
the AFC?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Oh Man because they keep winning? I'll still say Kansas City,
do you think they're the best football team? I mean,
Buffalo showed a significant flaw defensively against the Rams. Offensively,
they can go up head toe to toe against anyone.
But if if I'm getting Kansas City and home field advantage,
regardless of how they're doing it, they keep finding ways

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to win, and history tells me that when the games
matter the most, their players will make the plays necessary.
Pacheco is going to be healthy, Travis Kelcey will go
back into his form. What they have in DeAndre Hopkins,
they'll find more there. It's a good defense. I don't
know if they're the most talented team, but I think
they're the best team.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I have a feeling in the postseason the bottom is
gonna fall out and their exit is going to be ugly.
I just don't think they're very good now as an organization.
They're great, and all the credit in the world to them,
you know, I say all the time, how good, you're good?
How bad you're bad? If they're bad, as hey, we're
twelve and one and we're going to be a one seed, Like,

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give it up to them.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
And would you be surprised if they were the opposite?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
And nothing about the Kansas City Chiefs would surprise me?
Right if they finished sixteen and one and win the
Super Bowl, that's not surprising, right. But they're getting lucky,
let me call it what it is. They've gotten really
lucky in some of these games. And that's okay, Bengals
got lucky last night. I just get the sense at

(57:52):
some point, all of those deficiencies and they've got a lot,
are going to come to the surface at precisely the
wrong time for them.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Yeah, So is it the bills for you?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
For me? Right now?

Speaker 4 (58:02):
It's Pittsburgh wow? Yeah, okay, yeah, because of the way
the offense is playing, because of the.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Way the offense can play. Yeah, Now, are they gonna
play well enough? Because they came into the Bengals game
and they you know, played laden egg offensively against Baltimore.
I think right now, first of all, from a gambling perspective,
I think the Steelers value is insane. But Baltimore's defense

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is entirely untrustworthy. They get too many penalties.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Lamar's yet to take the next step.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah in the NFC.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
NFC, I don't know is does Detroit.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Belong in their own tier or should Philadelphia be lumped
in with him.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
I'll still lump Philly in just because I think they're
playing extremely well right now, even though it feels like
offensively they're budding heads right now with A J. Brown
and Jalen Hurts, And you know, if it's unique because
the way they're built, you know that travels. When you
can run the ball with Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts,
that is a style that can travel. And they're less

(59:09):
banged up than the Detroit Lions. You know, Lions are
I think thirteen guys I've seen on the too deep
to start the year now on I are for them defensively,
they just keep finding ways, but it's not for me,
a sizeable gap. I think that the Lions have the edge,
but I think Philly's close. I think the NFC is
insane because I think there's all but one team that's

(59:31):
technically still alive, and there are teams on the back
end of the NFC that I would want no business playing.
If I was a high seed Los Angeles Rams would
scare me to death. Uh Bay Green Bay, Minnesota has
what two or three losses on the year, and they're
a five seed. Two and the bottom end of the
NFC is scary. But the Rams, the Rams offensively would

(59:55):
make me very nervous as a high seeded team because
of what they just did to Buffalo, right them. That's
them hitting on all cylinders offensively. Williams, Pookinakua and and
uh Cooper got We had a gentleman here earlier told
me that his plan for the Bengals offseason is to
move on from Tea and just draft a mid round
guy like Pookinakua. Okay, so at all, Puka is pretty awesome.

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Sure you've got anyone you know lined up, no doubt.
I mean, he made two or three of the best
catches I've seen all year on that Sunday afternoon game.
I think there are more teams at the bottom of
the NFC that would scare top seeds than there are
at the bottom of the AFC, like Colts Denver. I
don't think anyone's extremely worried about them going into the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I think Denver is interesting because I think bo Nicks
is going in the right direction. Denver and Indie played
this week. The Colts had a very favorable schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Who do the Bengals need?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Who?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Who are we rooting for in that game? Because Denver
still has to play the Chargers US and the the
The Bills loss hurts because I'm rooting for Denver. Yeah,
the Bills loss hurts in a sense because I want
the last game of the year to mean something to
Kansas City, right, because that's it gets Denver, right, and
I want them to have to beat Denver to get

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the one seed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
So I'm I'm rooting for Denver because then Indianapolis can't
get to ten wins. Yeah, and then you root for
Denver to lose out and the Bengals to win out,
beat them head to head, get the tiebreaker over the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
You know, it's a weird and an interesting conversation. If
the Colts win and the Bengals take care of business
and then the Chargers knock off the Broncos, that matchup
would be huge, enormous coming into Cincinnati. Yeah, but you said,
with the magic numbers two too anyway to get the two.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
So two Bengals losses, any combination with Bengals losses. Bengals
lose Denver this week, and it's over. Yeah. So I mean,
I guess from a mathematical standpoint, you say you should say, well,
then then root for Indianapolis. But I get a crack
at Denver head to head, and all I've got to

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do to win a two way tiebreaker head to head
is to beat them. Yeah. Look, the Bengals have to
win all their games, so it would.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Have been nice just to get one of those losses.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, I mean, they they've they've got to win all
their games. Give me to that Denver game and have
it matter. Yeah, give me to that game, which they
still haven't decided if it's going to be Saturday or Sunday.
Give me to that Denver game and and and have
it matter. It's a quarter to five. I do want
your thoughts a little bit later on on Bill Belichick
coaching North Carolina, which feels like it's uh at least
a distinct possibility. On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station,

(01:02:32):
there's You Asked. Bengals won last night, nine away from five, o'clock.
He HASBN fifteen thirty Tony and Moo Football show here
until six o'clock. We're gonna jump back into the Joe
Burrow postgame comments. Maybe he spent a few minutes on
the college football playoff. Bill Belichick and North Carolina have talked.

(01:02:54):
Bill has agreed to become the coach. Now, that doesn't
mean it's it's going to happen. Yeah, he's got to
like a list of demands too. He gave them a
four hundred page By the way, are you reading a
four hundred page Oh no, I'm not either, Pa Canada
a four hundred page organizational bible that he gave to
the folks at North Carolina. I guess how he wants
the program to be run. I love this. Here's why

(01:03:16):
I love it. In college sports, you know things have changed.
You may have heard over the last five or six
years portal nil players getting paid and all that stuff.
I'm one hundred percent in for a lot of coaches
and across sports have said I I don't want to
be a part of this. Nick Saban, Tony Bennett the coach,

(01:03:38):
Jay Wright, Tony Bennett the coach at Virginia. So in
this era where a lot of coaches, especially some older ones,
have decided, you know what, this era is not for me,
which is their prerogative, This is not for me. We
we have arguably the greatest NFL head coach of all
time saying, you know what, I'm jumping.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
In and not at a power house. That's the thing
for me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
It's not Alabama, it's not high right, Like if he's like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
You know, I want this Bama job, or if he's
talking about, like, you know, Auburn, something like that that's been
up there North Carolina, no offense to the tar Heels,
and I'm I'm shocked. I love this, but I I
I respect him for jumping into that. I I asked
the question a week ago and I still didn't think

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it would come to. Would you believe more that Belichick
would coach in college this upcoming year or Dion coaches
in the NFL. Before all this started.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I've never really bought the Dion wants to coach in the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
NFL, not even with the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
No. I think Dion genuinely likes the role of college
football coach and all that it entails.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
And for my money, he has played it perfectly. No
doubt because he's come in. He knows that he has
the face, he knows that he has the name, and
what's he done. Let me get a good coordinator on
both sides. Yeah, and let me just let me be
the CEO and let me manage it, let me raise money.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
And by the way, like you know, this was a
conversation about Belichick, but if you like watch and pay
attention to how he runs his program, it's very old
school in terms of his dealings with the players and
how he runs it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Like, but if I'm a player, I love playing for
oh one thousand. He invocates more for his players than
I hear any other coach. Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State
as well. But yeah, you're you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Bill Belichick coaching another NFL team is interesting, right, Bill
Belichick jumping to college and coaching, as you put it
in and not a traditional power.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
North Carolina's had some good seasons, obviously had some very
good ones with Mac Brown. But you're right, it's it's
not when you think of big time college football programs,
the tar Heels aren't the first one you think about.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Now, can he go and raise money? Probably yes, him him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
In this era where college coaching is often about salesmanship
and TikTok videos with recruits I have. I have no
idea of family. I have no idea if it's going
to work. But I'm fascinated to find out. And I'm
more interested in this than him coaching another NFL team.
My only thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Development at the college level's huge. Sure, you've got to
be able to develop your guys. Ryan Clark talked about
Belichick on the pregame show last night about being a
fit in Cincinnati, and he said his one achilles in
New England was developing young quarterbacks. So when he had Brady,
it was good because Brady was the vet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Can he go to college and develop a young quarterback
into who he wants to be? Or is he saying
why I can just go pick out of the portal
now and not have to develop it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Let's say the Bengals decided to move on from Zach Taylor.
The hot assistant right now is Ben Johnson, the offensive
coordinator of the Lions who turned down opportunities to interview
for head coaching jobs last offseason. Let's say the Bengals
had a vacancy which none of us think they will.
Who would you rather have Ben Johnson, Bill Belichi.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Ben Johnson because I think he would be smart enough
to say, Okay, I'm gonna get a a top notch
defensive guy, and I'm gonna make this offense even more lead.
I had the conversation yet, and we could carry this
into the third hour. From a skill standpoint. The top
six players on each offense, who's got a better Detroit

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or Cincinnati?

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Top six players.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Golf, Montgomery, Gibbs, Sat Brown, Laporta, Pinasol.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Top six Cincinnati or top six Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Yeah, top three Bengals, top five Bengals, top six Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Yeah. So I was asked this question last night and
my instant response was Ben Johnson, and that's probably still
my answer. But let's face it, if you're hiring Bill Belichick,
who's seventy two years old, you're not hiring him for
the next ten years. You're hiring him for the the
instant gratifyde Kerry Francona title, Terry Francona, and he You've

(01:07:54):
got the most important piece in place, Like things went
sideways for Bill Belichick in New England kind of post Brady. Yeah, no,
it wouldn't. There were some things that have come to
the surface about the relationship between those two while Tom
was still an active player in New England. But still like,
you're hiring Bill Belichick because we're trying to win right now,
and that's what the Bengals are trying to do with

(01:08:15):
Joe Burrow. My answer is Ben Johnson, and look, I
Zach Taylor is gonna be the cross of the team
next year.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
But my thought always with Belichick was he want so
much more than just being the coach, right, and I
just don't think that Mesh is here, whereas Ben Johnson
would probably say, I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Also don't think he was a good GM right. I
was bad at putting together rosters in New England. They
won even when Brady was still there at times in
spite of their rosters. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
You know what they did do though, four times in
Brady's career he lost when scoring thirty or more points
in his whole career.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Whole career, what didn't happen last He's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Been good with thirty point offensive outputs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
We saw what the key was to the Bengals last night.
Don't score a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Thirty jounk meta that was the key.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Were you surprised a Vigil still in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Uh No, just because I saw his name the day
before when I was looking up parts of their defense. Gosh,
could you what a what an exclamation point that would
have been had they lost because of a Nick Vigil
blocked punt.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
But they would have I know. I mean, like I
hate to say this, I'm happy they won and good
for them. And sometimes you have to have the other
team make a mistake and you pounce, and they did.
We said this in the first hour. If the Cowboys
don't screw that up, Bengals loose.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
And there's a lot we're talking about. Oh, fourth down failure,
third short failure. Oh yeah, offense got the ball with
five minutes old, line being terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
There's a lot we would have talked about. All right,
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Bengals beat the Dallas Cowboys in Arlington on Monday Night football.
Bengals first road win over the Cowboys since nineteen eighty eight.
Bengals went to the Super Bowl that year. I remember

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us too, that one was watching that one. I was eleven,
so Boomer was great that day. That was Tom Landry's
last year. Yeah, I remember they sent him Mountains send
the Mountain Style, hired Jimmy Johnson and within a couple
of years they were good again. Anyway, Bengals win last night,
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so we're back in Westchester next week, well Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Second to last. A third is in the hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Okay, mathematically we're not eliminated this weekend. When you watch
NFL games, like when when you watch the Bengals Titans
game in Nashville and they show the graphic Titans were
eliminated this week? Yeah, will they have the Bengals in
the hunt? Because none of the major networks this weekend
had the Bengals in the hunt?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Does Callahan sit some guys now that they're out of contention?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Does it matter?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I can't say. Is this a Tyler Boyd revenge game?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Is it the Josh Wiley game? Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Will Levis convinces people he is a quarterback in the
NFL game. That's what I'm most concerned about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Yeah, what do you make of Will Levis? I don't
think he's great? Is he good? Jenny Good? No?

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
I think he's a backup quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
In the NFL. I would agree with that. Joe Burrow
was hit last night and it should have been hands
to the face.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Yes, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
And I asked you on social media, when do you
want to do the segment yep where we discuss whether
or not that should be reviewable? And you said power
Hour And I said okay, five five yep. So here
we are right on time. Should that play be reviewed?

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Yes, as much emphasis as we put on player safety,
and even more emphasis on protecting the quarterback. How can
we still be in a state whereas there is a
call as egregious as that missed. I would second that
the Parsons hit was also egregious and missed. But it's
player safety, player safety, player safety, player safety. Okay, I'm

(01:13:36):
not asking for a fifteen minute review. We have seen
now in the NFL the ability a player that steps
out of bounds or a catch that is ruleed, a
catch that's actually incomplete. They radio down, they say it
was an incomplete, the official announces it, and within thirty
seconds they move on. I'm not looking for fifteen minutes

(01:13:59):
of well was that really a face mask? Is it
really a hit to the head or not. I'm just
looking to say someone as blatant as that, hey, that's
a fifteen yard er, thirty eight yard line was where
it occurred, and force it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
What I don't understand about plays like that in particular,
there is no player that has more eyes on them
than the quarter Every play.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Is protected more than the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
And that's missed. So I put this on social media
five years ago because I went back and I looked,
and I said, bad calls or bad missed calls are
supposed to be egregious, right, Yeah, they're supposed to be
not egregious. They're supposed to stand out because of how

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infrequently they happen. We all understand it's human element. Calls
are going to be missed, sure in the middle of
a pile when yeah, when they happen, they're supposed to
stand out because of how infrequently they do happen. The
problem with last night is we all just shrug our
shoulders and go that's the NFL. I am the anti

(01:15:04):
replay guy. I am the guy that wants the human
element to determine almost everything. I'm not the guy that
wants everything to be reviewed. But and I'm also not
the guy who goes down the rabbit hole of oh,
the league is fixed or they're out to get the Bengals.
I watched the NFL every single week, and every single
week I see plays where the bad call or the

(01:15:29):
mist call is so obvious. But because of the frequency
of things like that happening, we just shrug our shoulders.
That's not good for your sport. That's not good for
your sport. When we have just come to accept like
last night, I didn't even get angry about it. I
went like, man, how do you miss that? Okay, on

(01:15:50):
the next I should get angry about it, because it's
supposed to happen so infrequently that when it does it
raises my eyre. When something happens all the time, you
can't get angry. I watched this sport week after week
after week, and the quality of officiating is dreadful.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
I don't know how Zach Taylor hasn't been tossed yet,
agreed watching those replays, and you know the thing for me,
if I'm watching last night, it's happened to Joe so
many times this year. I mean the play at the
end of the game was a month ago or so
where he gets clearly hitting the head. It's a penalty
ninety nine percent of the time across the NFL. When

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they are that egregious and that missed, I don't understand
with the eyes that are on the quarterback on every play,
how it happens. And my thing is, if you do
open the door for that, and again I'm talking expedited, sure,
I'm talking they radio down you missed it. Here's where
the ball was spotted, Here's where the penalty occurred. Mark
it off and let's go not let's pull out the

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replay system. But it could also help the other way.
Let's say that an official thinks there was a face mask.
You could also replay down and said, no, that was clean.
You know, Josh Allen the other night, as he's falling
out of bounds, is for a call. As he's falling down,
he gets a call in that setting, you could call
down and say it wasn't a horse caller, it wasn't

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so dang bang play. It can help defenses as well.
This isn't just out to harm the defenses. It can
help them to overturn a bad call as well. But
when they are that bad and they could have cost
a game, like they did cost a game earlier in
the season, how can you just idly go by and say, oh,
that's just the way it goes, when everything else can

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be reviewable. And again, I'm my whole premise is they've
they've mastered the fact this year that they can call
a pass complete and within a couple of seconds say incomplete.
I think that's a I think the process they have
there from start to finish is effective because it doesn't
mess with the flow of the game. The same thing
can happen with with hits like that on a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I mean we've seen with Joe in particular in primetime
games into the two point play against the Baltimore Ravens.
What was it Minnesota? What was a Thursday night game
where there was hands to the face and the end
zone that wasn't called. The vikings were involved in the game,
but there are. It's becoming routine. Bad calls are becoming routine. Yep,

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that's not good. No, that's not good for your league.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Nope, it's not good for your brand, not good for
your product.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
And again I don't know how you solve it though, but.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
The problem becomes in today's world, gambling is such a
big part of it. Sure it's a big money part
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yep. TV deal is a big part of it. You
don't think that if.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
That costs someone a game and the money that's involved
in gambling, Now there's questions being raised, Oh, how's that
called missed? You know, that's a that swung five million
dollars in that like things like that. Then you start
to really bring your product under review instead of just saying, hey,
we can make this a quick process. We have a
good eye on it. We'll radio it down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah. Last night, you know, Joe statistically wasn't as great
as he has been in other games this season. But
to me, if you wanted a snapshot of toughness, if
you wanted a snapshot of you know, here's a guy
who's doing everything he can in the face of an
offensive line that is not protecting him. And the defense

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played okay last night, but a defense that is not great.
He's taken the field for a team that is four
and eight and he's doing everything he can to help
his team win. That was it. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
You know what I like most is how angry at
himself he was after the pick. He's watching it and
he slams it down. He's talking to himself because there's
a former play. You understand that anger well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
And I also felt like with that it was I've
got to be perfect and I wasn't correct, And to me,
that was, yeah, that was a guy I made a mistake.
Quarterbacks should be allowed to make mistakes, right, I mean,
you made it. I mean, but you you don't want
to make him, but you should be allowed to make
a mistake and go. You know what my team's got
my back now. Joe's team last night had his back

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for the moment part defense played okay. I saw that
as here's a guy who makes a mistake, and it's
not just a mistake, it's I know, I've got to
be perfect and I wasn't and since I wasn't perfect,
now we might lose.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I mean, his toughness throughout the year has shown through,
but it's always his willingness to say I gotta be better,
I gotta be better, his anger with himself last night
to be better and then say what you want, because
I've taken a small amount of them, the ability to
stand in there after you get hit and hit and
hit and hit and popped in the mouth and popped

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in the mouth, and you know, deep denotide it's not
getting any better, you know, genuinely, on every obvious passing situation,
the higher likelihood is you having to scramble and you're
gonna take a hit, and he keeps doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Well, we're kind of back the twenty twenty one playoff
run when we're talking about the Bengals getting ready for
a game, whether it's the Raiders, the Titans, the Chiefs,
tour in the Super Bowl against the Rams, and in
every game, here's what we know. Joe's gonna get hit
a lot. YEP, Joe's gonna get sacked a bunch in
every game. We knew that, and we would talk about

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like how hard that is to game plan around, but
also how hard that is mentally for a quarterback. The
more things change, the more the more they stay the same. Yep,
because four years later we're doing the same thing. We're
talking about this Sunday. Okay, they're gonna play the Tennessee Titans,
their favorite. They should win the game. But here's what's
gonna happen. Joe's gonna get hit a lot. Joe's gonna
get sacked.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
Now now we know that, hopefully not the amount of
times he did when they played him in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
No, no doubt. It is totally different Tennessee team. But
that's what we were talking about in twenty one, like,
this is great, they're going to the super Bowl, but
this isn't sustainable. We're back there. So now I watch
him up front and I go four more games. You're
kind of playing with fire. Yeah, is this sustainable? Where
he plays? He plays at a high level. Last night

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he helped you win, but yet he keeps taking shots.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
I think the hard thing about the position itself. How
many quarterbacks in the league do you see that when
the pocket folds, they just kind of clinch up and
they know it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
They're going down.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
Every third down he knows, he has to know that
he's gonna have to move and take a hit, and
he still does it, and he keeps his eyes down
the field and he makes big play at their big play.
He did it last night on the jump pass flip
to Chase Brown where he knew he's gonna get popped,
and he still does it. And he does that from
the start of the game to the finish. Every single

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time he's asked, he answers the bell. I can't express
from a quarterback standpoint mentally, let alone physically, how much
it hurts, how hard that is mentally to do and
continue to bounce back like it never happened. All Right,
You would think you would think when he takes snaps
that he's playing behind the top rated old line in
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Yes, mentally that's what he thinks. Believable, It really is remarkable. Right,
there's hell Joe played, and then there's what he said
after the game, which will jump back into when we
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Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
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Paul questioned on x thanks to United Heartland Insurance after
last night's Joe Burrow comments, are you more confident that
the Bengals will retain t Higgins beyond this season? Fifty
nine point six percent say no, Look into your crystal ball, Tony, Yeah,
your best. Guess what happens with t this offseason? Now

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here are the options? Okay, he leaves via free agency,
he signs a long term extension. He signs a long
term extension, and Jamar Chase signs his long term extension.
They both signed long term extensions, and Joe gives back
some money or I guess they franchise tag him. What

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do you think the most likely.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Franchise tag is not out of the question as much
as that would make him upset. Sure, based on the
comments last night, I think there's some reworking of the
Borough deal. Maybe when the money comes out and they
signed both of them, but they lose Trey Hendrickson and doing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
So trading him. Yep? You okay with that?

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Because Trey Hendrickson alone is not going to help this
team get to where they want to go. He's good
and would be a lot better if he had some help.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
There is a there's a non zero chance, of course,
that he's not as good next year as he is this.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Year, right right, I mean, what are you banking on him?

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I mean again, but the other teams are going to
know that too, So right, Hey, I got a guy's
going to be thirty one years old rout the season
next year. I'm going to hand over at King's ransom
for one year of Trey Hendrickson. What do you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
But in deciding in the two that's how I would decide.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
My guess is Joe doesn't restructure, and I get both
the Jamar Chase deal is gonna be insane.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
It is crazy how we have gone the whole year
with the foregone conclusion that he will not be here,
and just from a two minute clip after a meaningless,
semi meaningless December game, we're now back in that he's
going to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Yeah, that that speaks to the weight of Joe Burrow's words.
Does that speak to the weight that Joe Burrow has
in the organization.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
He's gonna find out, We're all gonna find out. But
to your point, when I see it now, I just
see more dollars every time Jamar Chase does stuff like
he did last night. Yeah, I mean, and I see
that front office kicking themselves, man, like what what? At
the very end of it was the snag that kept

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them from getting the extension with Chase done before the
year started.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
By all accounts, the timing of the game correct.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Money, How much will they regret now and in their future?
Not just saying you know what, fine? But to your
point about the Borough request, historically it's not what the
organization does. They dug their heels in on Jamar Chase,
and Jamar said, okay, I'll take out the policy. I'll
bet on myself. And now it's going to cost the

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Bengals so much more money. I can't even begin to
think how much more money. Let's what's Jefferson getting the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Year thirty Yeah, thirty three.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Okay, let's say he was at Jefferson money. It might
be ten million more a year that he's getting.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
He might win the triple Crown in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
I mean, he very well could get forty to forty
five million a year at wide receiver. And no one
that's in this bar tonight or we talked to would
say it's too much.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
To pay him. No, he's been the best wide receiver
in the sport. So he this year at least, so
he should be paid as much.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
You and we had this conversation at the beginning of
the year. Get the deal done, yes, because this is
what you feared.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
If you don't get the deal done, it is going
to cost you more money. My goodness, is it going
to cost them more money?

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I guess what's interesting to me is T higgins value
on the open market. Now, certainly there are a lot
of teams that would like to have T. Higgins, But
this season he has been hurt. I mean, he's missed games.
One of the reasons why the Bengals had pause when
it came to extending him was he's hurt a lot.

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He is having a good season. It's dwarfed by Jamar Chase.
He has forty five catches in eight games. It's nothing
to sneeze at. And he's made some tough catches this season.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Still those moments when he makes those plays where you're like, man,
no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
But like I think, take away the name and you
look at those numbers, are like, he's good. He is
is averaging seventy two yards a game. He's good, good player.
So I brought this up to you months ago. ESPN
during the offseason did a ranking of like the top
ten players in every position, and it was based on

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front office personnel, coaches, maybe even some players. T Higgins
was not listed as a top ten wide receiver. He
was not even listed as honorable mention. He was grouped
among those who are like the next class. Has he
played well enough this year to put him in that
mix where he can go in the open market and
get a lot of teams that engage in the bidding

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war that ultimately ends up with him being one of
the highest paid players at his position.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
I don't think so, But historically a tough agent to
work with at his top end, and I think of
like the T. Higgins against the Chargers, Like that's the
top end of me. Yes, yes, if that was consistently
on tapes. But last night he had a couple of drops.

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You kind of didn't notice him mentally, he didn't. It
didn't feel like he was in that game last night.
And that's why I wonder, could you offer T three
years twenty five a year? You could offer it to him,
like said, would he got Would he scoff at that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
My guess as he would sure?

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Seventy five million dollars twenty five mil per year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
I mean like and again you might say, well, he's
been hurt. T. Higgins is this season fifty fourth in
the NFL in reception.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
And if if he scoffs at three years seventy five,
that would mean at that low offer you would have
let's say a buck twenty five tied up in three
players right annually per year, Burrow, Chase and Higgins.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
He is forty fourth in the NFL in receiving yards. Again,
good player. And you might say part of that is injury. Well, yeah,
but part of the T. Higgins conversation is he's been
here his injury injury. So I wonder if maybe there's
been a recalibration maybe by t Okay, you know what,
I was looking at hitting the open market and trying

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to be one of the highest paid receivers in the sport.
I ain't gonna be I'm playing with the guy who's
gonna set that bar. I'm not gonna come.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Close, and I'm never gonna have to be the guy, right,
which a lot of guys, But that's a lot of
pressure for guys too. It's constant double team. Sure it's
staying healthy. If if he's your number two for the
next three to four seasons, oh yeah, we write record books.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
So I wonder if it's you know, and and it's
gonna sound like I'm the tea is he's having a
good year. I mean again, those numbers are nothing to
sneeze at fifty fourth in the NFL interceptions and forty
fourth in yards. So I wonder if there's been a
recalibration by t and maybe by the Bengals. Look, he
ain't gonna hit the open market and field top end offers,

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and so maybe that makes what we're able to give
him a little bit more competitive.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
The team that has always it out to me and
the way he played against him is the Chargers because
they have a lot of money to spend and they
don't have that type of player, and it feels like
that's the missing piece on their offense. Good tight end play.
Lad McConkie's a good, really solid number two running game.
He fits right in. Good quarterback playing in California, every

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time he's played at Sofi Stadium, he's been fantastic. That
would be a team where I can see Moulaghetta saying,
let's test it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Yeah. I just I think that's and who knows. We're
all guessing here. We're guessing that Joe has offered to
restructure his contract. Maybe he has or maybe he hasn't.
I just wonder if, based on how things have unfolded
this year, injury wise and productivity wise, if everybody has

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kind of recalibrated both what Tea is expecting to get
and how Bengals feel they can be competitive in regards
to what they're offering him.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
It's it's insane to have this conversation. I mean, we're
having this conversation because of we're gonna do all we can,
and I'm gonna do all I can to make sure
t Higgins is back on this team because if not,
if not, how much time do we spend on the
show today about t Higgins? None five targets to catch up?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
It wouldn't even be brought up, wouldn't be brought up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
In the three hours I did two hours of Cinty
three sixty three hours of this, we wouldn't have talked
about it once. No, Instead, now we're talking about you
gotta find a way to get a deal done. Yeah,
because it matters what number nine says, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
But it matters to us a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
How much does it matter inside these.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
How much that that? To me? Is the other one.
We brought this up about an hour ago, might have
been when we got bumped off the air. But I've
I've followed this franchise my entire life. They don't. They
don't react directly to what someone says they should do,

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whether it's someone from inside or outside. Like you might say, well,
Joe Burrow is a better player than Carson Palmer, by
the way, I could not agree more. But they had
a franchise quarterback one say to him, do this or
I'm out, and they went yeah, cold peace. Yeah. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
But as the new regime does the way they've handled
the last couple of years mean that there is the
opening for that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
I would say, yes, had they gotten the Jamar Chase
steel done, But them not getting the Jamar Chase steel.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Done over what seems like a small snake.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Yeah, felt like felt like a callback to the way
things used to be. I just I know how this
franchise operates, and there's a lot of good to that,
but they don't what we think is going to send
a shockwave through the front office. I think is at
times responded to with yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Cool, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah, And maybe that's the wrong way to handle it.
But if you've paid attention to the Bengals throughout the
course of so many years, I think you get at
what I'm I think you understand what I'm getting at here,
Like they're not a franchise. It's going oh boy. Joe
Burrow said this in all hands on deck meeting. We
got to figure out a way to get this T
Higgins done. My guess is this morning those comments were
met with yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
And it's also it's it's in a setting, like you said,
we just don't see it and we don't hear anything.
Like if you look across the NFL, right or wrong,
you hear from GMS during the season. We hear from
Duke Tobin once, so there is it's always just speculate.

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Like we speculate for thirty hours. We don't get to
hear from Mike Brown. We don't get to hear from
Duke Tobin. I mean, but really, once a year, we've.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Heard more from Joe Burrow on personnel moves than the
people who make the personnel move.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Correct, whether you think that's right or wrong. Right, the
players are now the ones being asked about personnel because
you don't hear it from anybody else. Right, And to me,
that's the role of a Duke Tobin to be open,
not once a week, but when significant things happen, or
maybe once a month at different parts of the season.

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You know, hey, pretty significant stuff here from Joe Burrow.
Do you have a comment.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
I think it will be fascinating. Let's say that Jamar
Jamar is going to be a Bengal next year, but
let's say T Higgins is a Cincinnati Bengal in twenty
twenty five. I think it will be fascinating if someone
could take us inside the two months worth of back
and forth, and why things at certain points felt like
it was inevitable that T was not going to come back,

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and then how we got to a point where here
he is back. Yeah, I don't know, and maybe again,
maybe T Higgins is playing for the Chargers or someone
else next year. Who knows. But Joe Burrow added a
dynamic to this that has taken a story that we
felt like was the story anymore and made it deeply fascinating,
which frankly, I think is awesome. We are twenty three

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You and I have not had a chance to talk

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about the college football playoff pairings. Any issue with what
the committee did?

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
You know, I think it's eventually going to come down
to if if we're in a situation, why why we
why we can't reseed the top four teams? I agree,
you know it creates an unbalanced I think Oregon got
the shaft because Oregon's gonna have to play the winner
of Tennessee and Ohio State as opposed to the number
one team should have the easiest path. They should probably

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be playing at Arizona State or Boise, And that's no
disrespect to those teams, but those teams aren't as good
are Indiana. I thought it made it very hard on Oregon.
And I think the precedent that is being set that
is scary for the future is what you're gonna do
to scheduling in college football.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
This doesn't bother me as much for two reasons. One,
schools still have to sell tickets. Sure, and you know,
I know Greg Burne, the ad at Alabama intimated and
understandably and fairly, so like, all right, well, there's there's
less incentive for us to schedule really good non conference games. Well,
you're Alabama. You don't have to worry about selling tickets.

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A lot of programs do, and so I think that's
a little overblown from that perspective. Also, I get a
twelve team college football playoff, which means I have more
teams that have access to the championship, which means I
have more teams playing really meaningful games late in the season.
I also have conference realignment, which has given us more

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good conference games. If the trade off is there's fewer
good non league games.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Right, I'm okay with that, and I like the twelve
team format. Yeah I am.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
I am one hundred percent. It's not going to but
I hope it stays at this.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
But if you look at the first round matchups, none
of the spreads are close, and the seeding I just
think is off. I think once you get in, you
reset it and you play it that way like a
normal NCAA March madness.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Yeah, I mean I'd like to do it like the
NFL does and just reset at the end of every round.
What's correct? What's the harm? Yeah? You know, the the
NCAA tournament in basketball is what it is because we
all love the bracket and its office pools. We don't
want reseating at the end of every round.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I mean, you could argue Texas As the five sure
has an easier path than Oregon the one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
If you had to wager on one team to win
the whole thing, who would it be.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
I'm still on Orgon just because Gabriel's played his two
best games against their two best opponents. I trust them
offensively because I trust their quarterback. I trust the head coach.
I think he gives a genuine coaching advantage. Yeah, and
I can pick apart other flaws and all the other teams.
I don't trust quin yours if with Texas, I don't

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trust Will Howard and the Ohio State which has does
have a tough matchup Carson Beck, Kevin arm No, he's
not going to be playing, so he's out. I don't
trust Georgia offensively. Every other team I can make a
case against. Yeah, I have a hard time doing that
against against Oregon. You know, it's it's unique. If Alabama

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had gotten in as the eleven versus s m O,
are they favored at Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Probably yeah, probably slightly.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
I think definitely not sold on Penn State, not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
I'm not sold on Penn State just because games like
the ones they're gonna have to play, they don't win
correct up to an including the Big Ten title till correct.
So games like the ones they're gonna play, and they
with James Franklin typically do not win.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
But I think the twelve team I'm good with it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I love the format. I love the fact that we
have schools the college football to me, and we talked
about this a lot with UC three years ago. Like
you see whether you are a Bearcat fan not a
Bearcat fan. It was fun to have newness to a
sport that has been defined by Saint Elvis.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Arizona State was picked last in the Big Twelve the
league UC plays in Yeah, and there are four seas.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
So we're getting schools like Indiana and Arizona State and
Boise State playing for a national championship. I think that
is awesome. I don't think any of those three teams
are gonna win. I don't think Arizona State's gonna win.
But the fact that those schools are gonna be in
playoff games, like major standalone playoff games, I think it's
cool as hell. And that's what this format allows for.

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(01:42:07):
Man get it on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I just want to know Monday where our mind is,
because our mind on Monday, I'm going to say the
Bengals beat the Titans. I'm calling my shot right now,
really going down on the limb. There are we going
to be celebrating a Bearcat win in the Crosstown shootout
on Monday, because if not, regardless, if the Bengals want

(01:42:30):
to lose, I won't be at my I won't be
at one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
The Bearcats are going to win the game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Okay, Okay, I take your word for it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Xavier plays tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
I respect your word more than most. You've always shot
me straight with it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
I think U See has the better team. Okay, I
think they are playing at home. I think the Bearcats
have the better team.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
But yep, man, I get it. I get it because
I'm already thinking of the opposite. I'm already thinking of
how I show up Monday and do noon to three
and then three to six if the other thing happens.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
I don't know. I don't know that what I've seen
so far would suggest that Xavier could exploit a a
deficiency on Cincinnati. Cincinnati has deficiencies. They're not a great
half court offensive team. They've had some major laws on

(01:43:34):
defense this year. Neither is a really physically dominant team.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
I guess I need this, man, I need it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
There's two things I'm interested in. One. Dan Skillings did
not play well last year in the shootout. He came
back and played, but he wasn't great in the thirteen
minutes that he played on Sunday. My biggest fear is this.
That place is going to be bananas at two o'clock
on Saturdays. Oh my gosh, I can't wait. It's going
to be insane. The players are gonna the players are

(01:44:08):
gonna channel a lot of that energy into how they play. Yeah,
but is it a little bit too much.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
I don't want hero ball. I don't want playing it
outside of who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
And suddenly a great coach and Sean Miller his team mechanically.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
The battle test, more battle tested team. Yeah, early in
the year than the bear Cat.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Suddenly they jump out and it's sixteen to four. Yeah.
And now the place is quiet. And Wes's team, with
some of the guys on the bench maybe not playing
all that well the last time they played a high Major.
Now they've got to spend a lot of time to
try to come back, and Wes has to rethink his rotations.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
That's That's what I'm most interested in. The word you
just said, the rotations.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Yeah, I'm most interested in the first four minutes of
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Are you playing ten or trying to play ten? I
don't think Saturday. I don't think I can. I don't
think I can. From a bearcat perspective, Even spending minutes
on this a Tuesday in our last segment talking about it,
it does I am. I have a feeling in the middle,
in the pit of my stomach already.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
I I am as uneasy about this game as I've been.
I can't tell you when. Yeah, I mean uneasy. And
that's that says a lot about the recent history of
the series. It says a lot about what I think
of Sean Miller. It says a lot about what I
think of his ability to take a team that is

(01:45:31):
good but not great in the fifth third Arena and
win a game that he's not going to be favored
to win. I just this game is all about Wes Miller.
This this game, this year is about Wes Miller. You know,
I don't think it's a Ryan Day situation. You can't
go zero to four against your rival and expect people
to not be frustrated with you. Yeah, so all right

(01:45:53):
to end it? Uh so that'll be a west Chester
Twin peaks on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
Bengals are in the hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Bengals are in the U. We saw it on ESPN.
They had him in the end the Hunt column. We
are done more. Thanks to Mike Mills for producing our
show on site and our guy Taran for producing back
and Ken would have an awesome night. This has been
the Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 8 (01:46:21):
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