12/8/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Good afternoon, Mullaggor ESPN fifteen thirty with Tony Pike. It's
the Tony and Mo Football Show from Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We are here until six o'clock. We're back in Florence
next week. We have the anatomy of a collapse to
get to. After the Bengals melt down in the fourth
quarter in Buffalo yesterday, Bengals falling to four and nine
with the loss of the Bills, there are.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
A ton of things to get to today.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Between now and six o'clock, we will take a college
basketball detour a little bit later.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
On invited Richard Patino here today on the show earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Maybe he'll show up.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
The winners can go first. If Richard wants to come, yeah,
he can come. Talk about the show out. Does he
have any money left? Buyas some drinks. He's probably got
some time. There's another player that's another person that probably
got some time to come join us today.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Jermaine Burton's welcome to come to Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We'll get to him in just a second. We've got
the college football playoff the Bengals game. Lots of Bengal
stuff to get to between now and six o'clock if
you're looking for a spot to watch Monday Night Football tonight,
any of the college football playoff games coming up over
the next few weeks. The Liberty Bawl on January the
second is going to be packed, so you may want

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to make a reservation.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
This is an awesome place.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Food is great, staff is awesome, Bourbon selections, top notch
beer selections great too. Twin Peaks in Westchester very easy
to get to right off I seventy five, The Union
Center Boulevard exit. Now we're going to carry Zach Taylor's
press conference in its entirety late in the show, in
the five o'clock hour, just because I don't want him
messing up our clock, and we have stuff that we

(02:13):
want to get to right away. But there is news
from the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium. Here's
Zach Taylor addressing Jermaine Burton, the Jermaine Burton situation.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Thank you, the Jermaine Burton suspension just for that game.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
So we're releasing Jermaine today. What led to that decision,
just decision to make. We just made it and release
him and move on and wish him the best.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Jermaine Burton's Bengals career comes to an end with him
taking with him to the casino or the next department
he gets evicted from, or wherever he goes next.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Four catches, four catches.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Some weird illnesses. Ankle was messed up. Four catches, plays
in fourteen games. Four catches, not active for any game
this season. Didn't make the trip to Buffalo this weekend,
suspended for the Bills game.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
He has been not actually four games MO in which
Jamar Chase was suspended in which t Higgins had to
miss due to an injury, could not make the active
roster for any of those Good for the Bengals. I
I'm extremely curious to wonder what in fact happened, yeah,
to lead to the suspension.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you're you're the only one because I care less this.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
This is the type of move that a serious organization
has to make and probably could have made weeks ago.
It's just it's it's one more thing to pile on
to a season that has kind of just unfolded the
way in which we've we've talked about the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So there's that.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Also, Trey Hendrickson, according to Zach Taylor, is going to
see a specialist for his injury, which is either a
back hip pelvis hernia may or may not require so he.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Is out for Sunday's game against Baltimore. Can I just ask,
in today's injury world, I feel like teams have a
pretty good understanding when a player is injured whether or
not to put him on the ir or not. That's
three weeks. Do you watch the Reds? He paid tention
to Cincinna Red's nationally. That's four weeks They didn't think

(04:21):
that Trey hendrickson injury serious enough to put him on
the injured list. Yet now this far into it, how
many games has he missed?

Speaker 6 (04:29):
Now?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I mean this far into it is now when we're saying, okay,
let's go get a different opinion.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
He got hurt in the Jets game is when he
got shoved, when he got cheap shotted after missing the
previous week.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
So again, why has this second opinion or why has
this not happened earlier? What have we've been doing the
last couple of weeks? I told you before the show,
I think they win yesterday with Trey Hendrickson. I have
Trey Hendrickson's on that defense. Yesterday, they do enough to
beat the Bill. I'll tell you what it would feel like.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
It would seem as if Trey Hendrickson has played his
final game in a Bengals You think so. And even
before we found this news out, I had something I
wanted to run past you later on in.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
The show that we'll get to that's Trey related.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
But there are the two big stories coming from Zach
Taylor's press conference. Jermaine Burton done Trey Hendrickson out off
to see a specialist, the latest chapter in what has
been a weird season for Trey in twenty twenty five. Meanwhile,
the collapse in Buffalo yesterday the Bengals, They've lost games

(05:48):
in agonizing fashion. This show yesterday was the biggest gut punch,
in large part because of where we are in the season,
in large part because of how well they played for
large stretches of the game, certainly on offense, and they
had a ten point lead in the fourth quarter. In
a season of painful losses, this was the worst. This
is a team eight forty nine to go yesterday they

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scored to go up by ten points.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Now, it's an eternity in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
We've seen the Bills come back from big deficits at
home this year Week one against Baltimore. We've seen the
Bengals stub their toe in every conceivable way. But eight
forty nine to go a ten point lead a playoff team,
a championship team wins that football game.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yes against the team who right now has the highest
odds in the AFC to win the Super Bowl. The
Buffalo Bills are the highest rated AFC team to have
a chance to win. Lombardy, I'm at a point with
the Bengals defense mo where up ten? I'm okay with
surrendering points. That's how bad it is. I'm I'm far
past thinking, man, just one stop and this game's over.

(06:53):
I'm thinking about Sield turn them over. Can you just
make them take like five minutes off the clock, especially
a team in Buffet Blow who doesn't have a home
run threat. Josh Allen's not throwing the ball fifty yards
in the air at anyone over the top. They beat
you with short and intermediate throws, and they took one
minute and eleven seconds off the clock to go cut

(07:13):
the ten point deficit the three. Just make them take
four minutes because guess what if that's the case, the
Bengals probably come out and play the start of the
next series different, probably call the next series different instead
that the pick six at the intercept. It's just then
things unraveled for this team. But make no mistake about it.

(07:35):
This the Joe Burrow pushback that I've shockingly seen overnight.
This is not a Joe a Joe Burrow problem. This
is a Bengals defense problem. Who in nine losses this
year is averaging giving up thirty six point one points
per game.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So let's talk about the first of the two. Joe
Burrow picks the pick six. Christian Benefit makes the play,
takes it to the he else Bengals were driving, had
the ball at the thirty three yard line, up by three,
You're feeling pretty good because of how the drive started.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's a mistake. It's a pick he can throw.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's not becoming of a guy who to that point
in the game played like a dude who you would
call the best quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It shouldn't happen. It did happen. It was going to
cost this team.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I think Joe would be the first to admit it
was the first to admit after the game. That's not
a mistake that he can make. But the Bengals are
built around Joe Burrow being perfect. They cannot afford for
him to make a mistake. And there is the problem.
Therein lies the problem, right they demand that Joe Burrow
be perfect.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
And for all but two plays yesterday, he was. He
was awesome for three plus quarters. He was awesome, second
game back after a surgery, right.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
In the snow, right like, for three and a half quarters,
he was awesome. He had his team in a position
to win. He had his team up ten in the
fourth quarter on the road against a playoff team with
the reigning MVP on the other side line and again, man,
that's a play he cannot make. If it's let's pile
on Joe Burrow. Okay, who do you want to be
the quarterback next week? Joe Burrow or Joe Flacker or

(09:10):
Jake Browning? Who do you want the quarterback to be
next season? I want to move on from Joe Burrow, like, Okay,
it happened. Over the course of a long career, He's
gonna have moments like that. Unfortunately it occurred in a
game the Bengals had to win in the fourth quarter.
But fine, once we're done with that, what do you
still have? A defense that is terrible awful, a defense

(09:30):
that is poorly coached, a defense that can't get off
the field when it needs to, a defense that doesn't
know how to spy Josh Allen on third and fifteen
when you know exactly what he's gonna do. So fine, man,
if it's like, hey, it's the week where we can
wail away at Joe Burrow, that's fine. He'll be the
first to say with that pick and then the one
after with the ball is tip fine, give it to
me whatever.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It comes with the territory. I get criticized. I'm the
leader of the team. I make all the money on
the face of the franchise. When I play well, I
get an unending amount of credit. When I play poorly,
all the all the blame that that can come my way,
I'm here to take. Once you're done with that, what
else you got you gonna put? You're gonna you're gonna

(10:10):
put your your faith in that defense.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Right, You're gonna put your faith in Al Golden or
Zach Taylor surprise you got the d back or or
I did. We just made Barrett Carter Geno Stone like cool.
Joe Burrow made a mistake yesterday. He's still cool with
him being the quarterback for the rest of the decade.
I am what about that defense? When's it gonna get fixed?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And when are the Bengals gonna have a team that
is insulated against Joe Burrow making the occasional mistake.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Crazy part about all that one. It was the right
read on the interception. If you watch the play closely,
he bobbled a snap a little bit couldn't get anything
on it, made a bad throw. If he catches that
snap cleanly, he probably side arms at the Jamar Chase
for five yards and you move on, move on from
that next drive. How do you want to start a
drive off easy completion? Jamar Chase was open eight yards

(10:58):
down the field. If if the the offensive lineman gets
the defensive lineman's hands down, which he's supposed to do,
you're now moving the chains again. But even after all that, mo,
what does he do? Puts the team back on his back,
goes down the field, finds Kiseki down the scene, finds
t Higgins over the top for a touchdown, and all
of a sudden, you give the ball back to the

(11:19):
defense with two fifteen on the clock. So say what
you want about the back to back interceptions. What did
in my opinion, one of the best two signare callers
on the planet do right back down the field? Yeah,
picked up right where he left off. And if not
for a defense getting us or failing to get a
stop on third and fifteen, I have faith that the

(11:39):
Bengals would have at least had a couple of shots
at the end zone to win the game.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, on third and fifteen. Even if your takeaway is
Joe screwed him, Joe's the reason why they lost. Cool
when it's third and fifteen, you're thinking, man to be
awesome to give thee Joe Burrow. Yeah, and I'll take
my shot with Joe Burrow. Who knows how that drive unfolds?
Buffalo was closed to midfield, would have had to go
a long way without a time out in a snowy field.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Snowy, my, it's tough conditions. Tough conditions, I wonder would
have been easy to field an onside kick. We're gonna
spend some time on that in a second.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
But yeah, even so, if you're if your grand takeaway
from that game is Joe Burrow is the reason why
they lost. First of all, he was the reason why
they were in a position to win. Secondly, you would
have been more than happy with Joe getting his hands
on the football. With a minute and change to go
down by four.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
You had an opportunity, as if you're just a fall fan,
what an opportunity to watch two good quarterbacks play yesterday conditions. Yeah,
it's an entertaining game. Well, we'll discuss the third and fifteen.
I think you should make a poll question today because
I think if you if you take these three hours
and sum up, because I know we're gonna have to

(12:47):
talk about the shootout at some point. I want to
know what's harder for a for a defensive coach spying
a quarterback or double team in the Post's which one
of those things, moo is more difficult for a defensive
coach to instill in his team.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So spy the quarterback by a quarterback or.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Double team the post because you would have thought yesterday
on third and fifteen that spying the quarterback was the
most elusive defensive player in the world when Josh Allen
is one of the best running quarterbacks in the world. Oh,
by the way, there is not an ounce of me
believes that believes on third and fifteen that he was
ever gonna throw that ball. You're not risking stopping the
clock and giving the ball back to the Bengals with

(13:25):
a minute and forty left.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
After he just got sack.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Nope, he is gonna run that ball, and he's gonna
slide if he needs to and run the clock for
another forty seconds. Just like after the shootout, I heard about, well,
we really having a chance to practice double team in
the post. Those are two of the most basic fundamental
things in sports that you would do, and yet both
of those were failed this weekend. I think it's fascinating

(13:47):
to know which is harder to accomplish. The defense let
this team down. The defense is given up thirty six
point one points per game and nine losses this year.
What you want about it, I have On a much
smaller scale. I played on a football team where the
defense wasn't very good, and I can speak to the
stress that it puts on the offense if you are

(14:08):
one that is coming out today or yesterday and saying, man,
Joe Burrow lost them that game. We were just watching
different different sports. That's all we're doing at this point.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
They had a ten point lead in the fourth quarter
on a day where Joe Burrow was awesome.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yep, they got the ball back. They gave up a
one minute and eleven second touchdown drive up ten in
the fourth quarter. Again, Like okay, so traye, Joe Burrow,
get rid of Joe Burrow. Cut Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's the problem, honus Joe, Like okay, can't happen.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Like it's Joe Burrow's fault that Jermaine Burton didn't pan out.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Maybe maybe blame everything on Joe Burrow. Maybe we'll Yeah,
we'll do that twenty minutes after three o'clock. So we
obviously have a lot of ground to cover. I do
want to talk about third and fifteen and the on
side kick decision as well, which you texted me about
last night.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
We'll spend some time on that.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
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Four to thirty five.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Today to day, we've got the college football playoff to
talk about. We've got the AFC North to discuss. There's
a lot to get to between now and six o'clock.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
What are you doing? Playoff path? Playoff path for the
Bengal Yeah, when do you want to do that? We
could do that in the.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
AFC Nors segment because the path is not I know,
I don't know that the simulator is needed. What needs
to happen is pretty basic, pretty easy to explain and understand,
very very unlikely. So we get to the playoff path.
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Speaker 4 (16:27):
This is ESPN tax Listen. If this is the type
of day it's going to be, We're got to start
drinking early. We had two folks come up during the break.
We're talking shootout already. I'm in a bad place mentally
as is. If we're got to break down the shootout
on each break and then get back into what happened yesterday.
I mean, when do you want to start on navies offense?

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You know, if you're gonna what do we do? This is?
This is tough.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
If you're gonna badger us about the shootout during the break,
at least.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Get us a beer, me a beer at some point.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Some sort of refreshing beverage.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
You you put out on social media that that today
is gonna be fun. M trying. I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I'm gonna try to make it fun. Twin Peaks is fun.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Twin Peaks is fun. This place is great. See, drinks
are cold, food is great. I just switched it up.
We've been doing this show for what six years at
Twin Peaks. Yeah, I just got the uh pot Roads
for the first time. Fantastic. That's fun. Here's so what
do you want to dive into from the game?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's fun with this kind of reminded of it reminded
me of.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
It, folks coming up during the break. I have an
immense amount of respect for Xavier basketball. I do admire
the program. Yeah, want them to win when they're not
playing UC right, But like I got folks who aren't
even really in my life, but they have my phone number.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I don't hear from them about anything else. But what
not happens anything else? Right?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Like important life milestone, Sure could accomplish something bad things
happening to me? Yep, don't hear from them? Yeah, don't
hear from them last year?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Like so if you're not now, no, if it's like
a like I went and got beers with friends of
mine who are Zavier fans because we have a deal.
You have to show up no matter if your team
wins or loses. All in, man, you're you're a part
of my life. But if you got my number and
I don't hear from you about anything else?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Three sixty four.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Never never asked me to do anything?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, never just check in? Just Hey, what's up? What
do you think about the game going into it?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Hey, Herd you on the show today.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
You made a good point, right, But like, if you
send me a text after that game and I look
in the most recent text is the shootout from two
years ago, please lose my phone number.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yep, I might agree, Please, I'm in agreement.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
All right, you brought this up.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Walk me through the mechanics here third and fifteen, The
Buffalo Bills have a passing game that has been very
inconsistent on the outside all season long. Now, their tight
ends were terrific yesterday, because tight ends should always good
against the Bengals, I have a hard time believing they're
gonna throw the ball to the middle of the field
with one of their tight ends. I have a hard
time believing they're gonna hand it off to James Cook.

(19:11):
Josh Allen is in the shotgun. They want the clock
to move. He's just taken a sack. I'm not saying
there's a zero percent chance they throw it because I
don't know. Maybe there's some sort of screen, but I'm
guessing it's going to be a run. The overwhelming probability
is he's going to be taking it himself. The basic
defense against that sort of situation, for me, has always

(19:34):
been a spy. A linebacker doesn't go in coverage with
anybody else, he doesn't necessarily blitz. He's there kind of
mirroring the quarterback. Basic defensive strategy. How is it not
employed yesterday?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Malpractice? I don't have an answer for it. What Buffalo
did on that last play. I've seen it before when
I go watch peewee football. That is a pee wee
football play. Hey, all, you receivers are just gonna run
down the field, take the defense with you, and the
quarterback's gonna move around for a second and then take off.

(20:10):
That is pee wee football. That's all Buffalo did on
that last play. In fact, though, I'll take it a
step further. I watched the guard pull out into the flat.
It was never gonna be a throw. It was always
gonna be invite the pass rush and try to get
to the second level. Maybe you get a blocker and
bust one. Never in a million years do I think

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Buffalo thought it would be that easy. They didn't even
block Joseph Osai on the play, that's how crazy it was.
They shot a running back was on the right side
of Josh Allen osais on the left, and the running
back stuttered like he was gonna block Osai and then
went to the flat. Osai was so stunned he like
freezes and then awkwardly jumps in the air. Don't know

(20:53):
why he jumped, but I guess that was gonna be
the first time that they were gonna back down the
ball all day. He jumps. As I mentioned, the line
is blocking for a quarterback run Josh Allen moves slightly
to his right and takes off and there's one guy
in space. And when I saw it was Gino Stone
about twenty yards down the field, you already knew what
was gonna happen. Right, No way, Genostone is gonna come

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up and make that tackle. It is the most basic
of basic football fundamentals that you teach on day one,
how to spy a quarterback. You got athletes on the roster,
at least I'm told they have athletes on the roster.
I don't care. At this point, rush three and spy two,
I don't care. You did exactly what Buffalo wanted you

(21:36):
to do by doing that. I so I don't understand.
I don't understand how that's that's not talked about coming
out of a timeout. You just burned a time out.
What are you talking about on the break? Hey, pretty
good chance here that he's gonna run the ball. Why
because with that much time left in the game. If

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he throws an incompletion, what happens Bengals go probably score
at worst. All you say in the huddle, hey, we
took our chance on second down? And what alan do?
Did he dump the ball off? No, he took it
and took a sack, so the clock didn't stop. Same
thing he was gonna do on third down, they get
him outside. It's the most predictable play. Again, go watch,

(22:20):
go watch Saturday or Sunday pee wee football, and you'll
see that play all the time. And yet somehow the
Bengals fall for and immediately thought of the National Championship game.
Notre Dame is on a comeback, Ohio State going for it.
Al Golden puts one on one on Jeremiah Smith. Why
no one knows. Jeremiah Smith wins his one on one

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battle Josh Allen probably the easiest rush he's had all year.
Then I had people yesterday saying, well, that's just what
Josh Allen does. No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, it's not, dude.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Josh Allen's previous season high was fifty eight rushing yards
hit seventy nine yesterday. He hasn't ran against anyone effectively.
He runs inside the five effective. Yeah, but he's not
been a takeoff at midfield type runner until yesterday. So no,
it's not been who he is. It's what they were
able to exploit on a very very poor Bengals defense
that's who he is.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is something I'll accept on third and three. Sure, that's
something i'll accept on fourth and short. That's something i'll
expect if the down and distances within five yards.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
If i'm third and fifteen.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
It's similar to what we talked about when when Kansas
City last year converted the fourth and long. Yeah, there
are two conversations I'm having. I'm either gonna rush three
and drop eight and spy, or I'm gonna bring a
little heat so he doesn't have a chance to tuck
the ball and run. The Bengals didn't either. They rushed
four again. Osai was unblocked and was so stunned by
that that he freezes up. It was I think lack

(23:45):
of preparation, and I just I can't imagine. I'm thinking
last night, like it's off a time out, what was
said in the huddle, I would imagine it was, Hey,
don't over pursue, don't rush out of your lanes, stay
in your lanes. Don't give him anywhere to go. Who's
spying the quarterback? What you talk about? What was discussed

(24:06):
on third and fifteen out of a time out, I
don't know it was answer for.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
It was baffling to me in real time, and like
many things, I wonder, Okay, maybe I'm off base here,
maybe Tony will have a better explanation for what they did.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Unfortunately not saying that. The worst part about it is
if you get that stop. I think there is a
large contingent of folks that would think that the Bengals
would at least have one or two shots at the
end zone to win the game.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yes, and by the way, he could have run for
ten Yeah, fine, he could have run for twelve. Fine,
he could have run for fourteen and a half.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Like what they gave up is staggering. Staggering to a
mobile quarterback, Like I ain't Kirk Cousins back there, right right,
That wasn't Tua back there. It's the one quarterback who
already beach on a forty yard touchdown run earlier in
the fourth quarter. Yeah, and you empty out the middle

(25:07):
of the field. But Gino stones back there, twenty yards deep,
coming up and making a play.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
How did he do on the tackle?

Speaker 4 (25:14):
He did not make one.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
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West Western come up and talk more. Shoot out Tono, Tony.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
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Speaker 3 (25:23):
We'll get to the decision to not on side kick
all prior to that last possession here in a bit,
But first we'll talk about what went down between excuse me,
Pittsburgh and Baltimore yesterday and the Browns both won and
lost at the same time. That coming up as well
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Speaker 2 (26:34):
Bengals have released Jermaine Burton.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Where does Jermaine Burton end up?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I could not care less.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Trey Hendrickson has been ruled out for Sunday's game against
the Baltimore Ravens. He is going to see a specialist
for whatever it is that ails him. Bengals and the
Ravens on Sunday in Cincinnati at one o'clock. The game
is live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Monday Night Football Tonight,
Eagles in Charge on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. College Basketball,

(27:03):
Xavier's Trey Carroll named the Big East Player of the Week,
largely for his performance against the Bearcats last week when
he scored thirty points.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
The Richard Patino Show is tonight at seven o'clock on
fifty five KRC. The Mark Pope Radio Shows tonight at six, Boy,
you talk about a bludgeoning.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Man kids Gonzagon.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I have friends who went to that game.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
They were on Broadway by halftime in Nashville. Mark Pope
Show at six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty. The NKU
Coaches Show is tonight at seven o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.
As well, the AP Top twenty five men's college basketball poll,
Kentucky has fallen out of it. They got twenty nine votes.

(27:49):
Xavier isn't getting any votes. Cincinnati isn't getting any votes.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You know who got two?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Who?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Travis Steeles Miami.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Rdhaw undefeated eight no undefeated. Yeah, I know, I know
college basketball comes later. I'm I'm desperately trying to find
UC's big twelve wins. You see what Iowa State did
to purduel hold that thought? Yep, hold that thought. Yeah,

(28:16):
let's kick off, Let's take a kick.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
This is typically where we talk about the AFC North
Pittsburgh beats Baltimore yesterday. Should the Isaiah Likely touchdown have
counted as a touchdown?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
I thought so? I Uh, that's such a hard, hard ruling.
I think you gotta go with what it's called with
on the field.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's a touchdown. Yeah, like he caught it. Yeah he
got two steps down. I have seen that call it
a touchdown a thousand times. This nebulous will complete the catch,
football move.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, he didn't need the football move.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
He completed the catch when he caught it and got
the two feet down.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yes, that's a football move in the end zone. Two
feet down, touchdown. I don't know, man, Pittsburgh, just when
you feel like they're done, they play. I think it's
interesting how DK Metcalf responds, I know, ho he to
stay behind in Baltimore. You see DK Metcalf on the
final punt of the game when it is a gunner.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I did.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I love that? I do too. That's really cool. Good
win for Pittsburgh soptimoreikes.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So the way the math works out, you asked for
the Bengals to win the AFC North.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Okay, here we.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Got gotta win all four?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Okay, check easy.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Need the Steelers to go one in three or worse.
Pittsburgh plays Miami and home on Monday Night Football next week,
then at Detroit at Cleveland home for Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Doable. That's that's one and three.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Baltimore's schedule is really hard. Come to Cincinnati, say which
one about the Bengals. They did just beat Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
And they have to win out, so they'll win that one.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Then the Ravens host the Patriots at Green Bay at Pittsburgh,
so you need the Ravens in addition to all this
other stuff, need the Ravens to go two and.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Two or worse.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Okay, so you're telling me there's a mathematically there is
a chance, yes, okay, realistically.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Right, which of those is the hardest to believe? The
Bengals going forward? Oh yeah, because we're just like taking
it for granted. First of all, I know they they
handled Baltimore easily and Lamar looks broken. They also Baltimore
also gave them shot.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Sure you would expect a somewhat desperate Ravens team to
come here.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Then they gotta go to Miami.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
The Dolphins are playing well now, they're not beating good teams.
Crust the Jets, easy for me to say as we
get hot fudge Sunday served to us.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
But they're playing a Dolphins team that is playing better.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
And then you know they'll be heavy favorites against Arizona
and Cleveland. They've won four games all year and we're
just assuming.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Ah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh, you know, they'll they'll they'll run the table. It
just gave up thirty nine points again yesterday. They'll run
the table. And then it's you know, I the problem
is you're trying to leave frog two teams. Also, those
two teams have another game with each other.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
The problem in all of this, and I'm just as
guilty of it, and you said it to me today.
I think we both were guilty of like buying back
into the believing it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I didn't believe it was going to happen. I talked
about it from a gambling perspective, a lot of value, right.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
But like yesterday, when you when you build a ten
point fourth quarter lead, that's when I bought in. Now
I'm like, holy cow, yeah they can do this.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I can't believe I let myself do this.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
And now now I'm thinking, like you just said, they're
four and nine, like we're talking today, like all they
gotta do is win four in a row. Right, They've
won four all year? Right? Their defense stinks?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, I could.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
I could legitimately see buff Baltimore going two and two
in that four game stretch. I could also see Pittsburgh
the way they've been playing, going one and three. So
my guest, I have to believe four and oh when
you've won four games all years, just right click, I'll.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Fine, Le'll be good. Of the three scenarios that have
to unfold. The one that I think will is Baltimore
going to and two. Agreed, I don't see how they
win three games, including the one in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I'm not buying back into that. You ain't getting me again.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But as much as I don't think the Steelers are
very good, the Dolphins game is in their building, the
Ravens game is in their building, and they have to.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Go to Cleveland. Now they also have to go to Detroit.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
But Troy's still playing for their playoff lives.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I just I feel like the Steelers are gonna stumble
into two and two and win the division.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Let me ask you this, the Bengals don't win on Sunday,
does Joe Burrow playing in the last three?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
My guess is he plays against Miami because then a
lost Sunday you're mathematically out.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah, what would be the point because now we're in
that stratusphere of well, they'd win three in a row
down the stretch, they'd get the seven wins and you know,
they cost themselves five spots in the draft. So like,
to me, that's what becomes interesting. If you don't win,
you win, I get it. Keep the hope alive if.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You lose, and it's protect the investment.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's protect the investment. And also understand, you gotta you
gotta find an impact player in the draft, and you're
not gonna do that at seventeen. Yeah, unless Samar Stewart
falls team.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I don't expect them to try to lose football games.
I would be more than okay with if they lose
on Sunday saying Joe, thanks, Yeah, we'll see you in April. Yep,
it is eleven away from four o'clock. We're at Twin Peaks.
By the way, Cleveland loses the game. Yeah, yesterday against
Tennessee Door, Sanders played well. They don't have them on

(33:35):
the field for what would have been a game time
two point conversion, so they lose.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I think if Judkins pitches the ball, he's in though.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes, mission accomplished. Ye Like, if you're the Browns, yep,
I'm in the Fernando Mendoza sweep stakes right now.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
My man.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
If I'm the Browns, but I.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Might have I might have a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Joe, and we've talked before. I think Judkins is a hit, yep.
I think their linebacker's a hit. I think Mason Graham's
a hit. Say what you want. That's a good deal.
Defense they're building offensively. That's everything you wanted yesterday. If
you're a Cleveland fan.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
It is a tenaway from four o'clock. We have a
lot of ground to cover. Here are Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We haven't even talked about the on side kick decision.
We'll do that here in just a bit on ESPN
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Speaker 2 (36:00):
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Speaker 4 (36:03):
Kentucky, Florence. Like, well, when you come back, we'll be there. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (36:11):
Now we have a lot to get to the College
Basketball de Tours just a few minutes away. We do
have three poll questions on Twitter at moegar thanks to
United Heartland Insurance.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's taken me a bit to get these up.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, so if you have voted already in one of them,
my apologies for making you vote again. Jermaine Burton cutlows today.
By the way, we have Trey Hendrickson news. We'll get
to here in just a second. Which of Jermaine Burton's
four catches as a Bengal is your favorite?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
You got the one against the Chiefs, the one against
the Eagles, the one against the Ravens, of the one
against the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Vote now at Mauwagar.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
None of his preseason one, No, they don't count. Then
you have yours. You suggested this one.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Which defense is more difficult to deploy spying the quarterback
on third and fifteen or doubling the post.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I say doubling the post. That's that's reinvented. You're asking
a lot now, and.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Then finally, what should be used to determine which teams
make the college football playoff a committee.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Or a computer.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Oh, because for years it was a computer with the PCs.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We decided we don't like the computer, so we had
a committee, and now we had what the committee does
every single year.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Well, I mean, Kirk kurves Street, sixteen is probably the
best number. Let's just keep raising the number of teams
that are going to get into the playoff. You know
the crazy thing about the college football playoff, this would
have probably been the year where four teams were easy. Yeah,
this would have been the easiest four team playoff ever.
No Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, clear cut. Now

(37:39):
we can't figure out twelve teams. We'll get to that
a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
On Trey Hendrickson, according to Adam Schefter, at least he's
the first that I saw that had it, So if
somebody else had it.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Prior to him, my apologies.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery, so that would okay,
I would imagine.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
This season, all right, surgery on what do we know yet?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's like core muscle surgery, right?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Is that? Is that what it's been called? I hope
Trey gets better. Was trade nothing but the best in
his future endeavors, which in all likelihood will not be here.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Muscle surgery will sideline him for approximately six weeks.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Now, this may sideline the organization because that question is
going to come up at some point again, do you
pay someone over like the age of thirty, And they're
going to go back and say, well, we did Trey
Hendrickson to look how that worked out.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So I guess you could look at this two different ways. One,
they got it right, they didn't want to pay him
beyond twenty twenty five because he's.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Older and older players tend to get hurt more frequently.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
On the other hand, you could say, well, that's fine,
but they should have traded him prior to this season,
and then whatever they would have gotten for Trey Hendrickson
would be more useful right now than Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Correct. Same, I mean you could say that to the
draft pick you could have used in the third round
over Jermaine Burton. Right, But here we are, But here
we are, all.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Right, four wins, ready to run the table. One other
coaching decision. Yesterday, the Bengals pull within five, Yep, they
kick it deep, maddening give the ball back to the Bills.
Ultimately set up Josh Allen's third and fifteen run scamper.
In that set of circumstances, you obviously would have preferred
it on.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
TESTI absolutely for multiple reasons. Now, had the two point
conversion worked, I could then at least hear the argument
to kick it deep, right, because now you force a
punt and you need a first down, and you could
kick the field goal to tie it right Once it
became a five point game, now you need a touchdown, right.
That's harder to do with out of a timeout. The

(39:48):
second point, you've already successfully kicked it on side this year. Third,
the weather's terrible, it's snowy, it's windy, the grass, the
the field is wet. You have such a higher likelihood
to kick a ball through the snow and have someone
slip out of their hands then you would in any

(40:08):
other setting. And with that much time on the clock,
a first down beat you either way. So like it's
not like if you're kicking on side and they get
a first down, then they're in field. You're not trying
to score. The first down beat you either way. It's wet,
it's cold, it's snowy. Kick the onside kick and see
what happens, and if you get a stop, you'd still

(40:30):
have the same chance in which we just talked about.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
The variable for me that matters most is exactly what
you just talked about. The weather, the ball, slick conditions,
if it's dry, Okay, the kick in a deed doesn't
bother me. But the variable there that I think matters
are the conditions, the slippery field, the ball. The fact
that it's that that particular play could play out differently

(40:55):
than almost any other. That that's what leans me toward
wanting an all on sidekick. I will not lie to
you in real time, it didn't bother me. But as
I'm thinking of the conditions, and as I'm thinking of
the ball, and as I'm thinking of the possibilities just
because of the weather, what.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Do you trust more? A chance to get an onside
kick or the defense getting.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
To stop a chance to get the on side kick,
kick the.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Onside kick like that among anything else. If I kick
it on side, at least I have a chance to
get the ball back. It's probably a better chance of
you that if you kick the ball deep. With the defense.
The Bengals have, especially their third down and long defense
against the mobile quarterback.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I have one other question about the Bengals defense yesterday
that we'll get to in just a bit. We also
have to talk about everything that went down around the
NFL yesterday, including the end of the Chiefs dynasty in
all likelihood. But first, the college basketball detour oh No.
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But it's the college Basketball Detour.

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Come on, Tarren, pay hey one, Come on tarn They won.
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Speaker 3 (43:04):
College Basketball Detour the Monday after the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout,
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college Basketball Detour and here it is great Winners go first.
I thought Xavier executed much better than the Bearcats did.

(43:30):
I thought they had a good game plan, took took.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Better care of the basketball.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
They took care of the ball.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
You see, only had nine turnovers, but they had a
lot of shots that didn't go in, especially bad looks
in the first half. Those are turnovers as far as
I'm concerned. Xavier heard four for the entire game.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
And statistically, like there's a lot of things you see
came out statistically with the edge of that's more credit
to Xavier, who didn't shoot the ball great from outside,
which they had coming into the game. Yeah, everything in
the statistical column would have led you to believe the
Bearcats won that game, which is even more manning if
you're a UC fan that they didn't win the game,

(44:05):
and not only didn't win the game, but how they
went about losing in the same fashion that I feel
like I've watched so many UC losses, poor shot attempts
or shot selection, miss free throws, turnovers, and the inability
when another player from the opposing team is playing well
to do anything to take the ball out of their hands.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
So we'll get to that here in just a second.
Number one.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
The story of the game was Trey Carroll. I said
this during quick Hits. The skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout has
a way of creating individual heroes that you identify with
that game.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
For their entire UC or Xavier career yep.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
And from our perspective as Barricat fans, unfortunately, but usually
that's a Xavier player. When I think of Naji Marshall,
I think of his performance against Cincinnati in the twenty
nineteen twe I think of Lionel Chalmers shot, I think
of Lenny Brown, I think of David West and his
final shootout at Fifth Third Arena. And when I hear

(45:09):
the name Trey Carroll, twenty five years from now, regardless
of what happens between now and the end of his
time at XU, I will think of his performance. He
was terrific. Richard Patino's team is reacting to him. It's
responding to him. That was a team that four weeks ago,
when they're beating Mariston Lemoyne and then getting destroyed at
home by Santa Clara, you're wondering, how are they going

(45:32):
to get to ten wins. They have since beaten West
Virginia on a neutral floor, and they picked up a
win against Cincinnati in the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout, a
game that felt inevitably like UC was going to win
it three weeks ago. That team is getting better. That
team collectively is improving. Is there a cap on what
they can do because of their talent? Perhaps, but they

(45:53):
are reacting and responding to their coaching, and they certainly
did on Friday night.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
That's even more maddening. I think if you take both
teams and just put a big player pull together, there's
probably seven Bearcats and three Muskies selected. You see had
more talent. You see'st talent from just a basketball point
of view, is better. The problem is is that the
in game adjustments, and the coaching is again lackluster. It's

(46:23):
not there. On the UC side, I thought a couple
of different things happened. One U see does come back
in the second half, and I will give credit because
I thought Wes Miller going to the one three to
one at times did slow Xavier down. You see hits
a three to go up, they come from behind, they
go up one. I'm screaming from my seat, take a
time out because at that point, I think so much

(46:45):
of the arena was kind of in shock what has happened,
And instead of making Xavier think about that and setting
your defense, five seconds later Xavier got a wide open
three and took the lead back, and then from there
it just collapses again for the bear counts number two.
I don't know what Richard Patino's plan B was. If

(47:07):
Trey Carroll didn't have the game he did, he didn't
really have to get to it. I want to know
why Seana Bibe carried this team for much of the
first half. He ended up playing just twenty four minutes
total and never really got any good decent looks in
the second half. I feel like my frustration at what
you see is doing I feel like they go into

(47:27):
a ballgame with the set plan of these are when
our subs are happening, this is who's playing next amount
of minutes, and there's no feel of in game adjustments
like man by this feeling it keep him in the ballgame.
Can can we coach around that? Or does it have
to be up here's the under twelve time out. These

(47:47):
guys got to come out. These guys got to go
in in a game like that, You've got to feel
more about what your players are able to do. Trey
Carroll probably played more than what Richard Patino thought going
into the game. Why because he was on fire. A
bibe was out in the first half and comes out
of the game. I looked at I looked at my
brother during the game. I said, why is he coming out?

(48:09):
He just made two threes, He's keeping us in this game,
and he comes out.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I thought Tyler McKinley played exceptionally well in the middle
of that Xavier zone. Yeah, he caught one and made
the great basketball play to crease in the corner. He
missed it, and then he took one of the basket
and made a nice finish around the rim. I know
he's a little more raw offensively, but on a game
where you went six of sixteen from layups, you gotta
find different options that are gonna give you chances. It is.

(48:36):
It's the latest in a long line of frustrating losses
because in my opinion, you sees the better basketball.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Team, So there's a lot there. Eleven for twenty two
from the free throw line killed them all. The miss
bunnies and layups killed them six of sixteen, the two
starting bigs going seven for twenty one. Ustapha Cham in particular,
had a number of really good point point blank looks
that he didn't make.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Bu Harris had a couple of lamps.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
And the chom thing. It's coming off a game where
he had one shot attempt, so it was almost like
they had to force him the ball because of the
previous game instead of letting the offense flow it anyway.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I also thought like Seanabayev got off to a great
start and then there's there's taking them off the floor.
But when he was on the floor, it just it
feels like they can't come up with the way to
get him a good run him off three screens.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, like get him the ball.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I watch a lot of college basketball where a guy
like that who you would go okay, ceiling wise, he
may be our best guy, or he's a dude who
can can take dudes off the bounce, or he's a
guy who's having a hot game. They figure out a
way to get him looks. They figure out a way
to kind of make a set about him and then
let him make a play. I felt like the beark

(49:46):
Heads couldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
And then no offense to that point when he is
making shots that it should be easier. Yes, now you
got to overplay him, right, can you slip a screen?
Can you go back like something? Because now so much
attention is going to him. They didn't even use him
as a dec.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
And then the basic mechanics of you've got a dude
on the other team who is getting to wherever he
wants and doing whatever he wants. The shot making for
Trey Carroll wasn't that difficult because he was doing whatever
he wanted.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
He was literally getting to anywhere he.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Wanted on the offensive side of the floor for the
Bearcats to not double him. I know there was the
possession in the second half that resulted in a missed
Xavier three. That was it the kind of make the
kind of shot that if they make. If you're a
Bearcat fan, at that point, you go, okay, fine, dude
made a shot. We at least made somebody else beat us.
Wes's explanation after the game was, well, we really haven't

(50:39):
worked on doubling the post.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
How How I.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Don't It's that game was played on December fifth, They've
been practicing for months. By the way, doubling the post
is probably something you're gonna have to do in Big
twelve plays. First of all, it's also not the most like, Holy,
We've got to spend four days on this.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's double teaming a hot player in the post.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Every player that's played a major college basketball game, playing
in high school, they've either doubled or been doubled. Yes,
it's this isn't this was like three years ago when
we had to go on this Tampa two rant for weeks.
It's not reinventing the wheel. Send extra help at him,
and if you get beat by a shot, okay, yeah,

(51:21):
tip your cat.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I even understand, like we have to work on the rotations.
We have to work on how we cover if we
double I understand that, how have you not had time
to work on that.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I can't imagine how many timeouts where Richard Petina was like, hey,
be prepared for a double, right, and he never got doubled.
I it's so maddening and I hate to feel like this,
but it feels like the season is not even gonna
have a chance to get off.

Speaker 9 (51:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Well, so they already have you already have the terrible
loss in Eashim, Michigan. You got the lost to Xavier.
So Georgia's good. My take on it's good.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
My take on it last week was it's the shootout,
it's the rivalry, it's this twenty four years street. We
this this program has to get to the NCAA tournament.
Last year they lost one non conference game and didn't
even come close to making it.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
That tells you how hard the Big twelve is. Now
you have three losses. You just mentioned Georgia, which is
one loss.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Playing Wellson's got two losses.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Clemson is two losses. Those are both effectively road games.
You're playing Georgia in Atlanta and you're playing Clemson in Greenville.
You're staring down the barrel of four or five losses.
That's if I count wins in the two by games.
Oh and then, by the way, December or January third, Houston.
So like you start to do the math in a

(52:37):
tournament or bust year, how do they get there? You
just said to me before, like you're trying to find
where the big twelve wins are gonna be.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
This league is insane.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
In the top twenty Kansas nineteen, Texas Tech sixteen, BYU ten,
Houston seven. Iowa State just went to Purdue and dominated.
The number one team in the country is number four,
and oh, by the way, Arizona's the number one team
in the country.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I listened. We went to Fort Worth, TCU's play by
play talk about how good TCU looks, Colorado looks better,
UCF looks good. In the early season. Where are the
big twelve wins? This team's not getting better.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
So let's say best case in the big twelve is
five hundred best case, Yeah, that's nine and nine. Nine
plus three is twelve. What do we think is gonna
happen against George and Clemson?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Right? Maybe split?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Maybe hopefully let's say they split thirteen losses. Is Cincinnati
getting in the NCAA Tournament with thirteen losses.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Nope, and that's best case nine and nine in the
Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I just and I look at the schedule in the
Big twelve, and I go, I can't find nine wins
right now?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
No, Like, that's my problem with this team right now?
Do you see this team? Like the Louisville game. I
hated to feel at Louisville because after the game, I
thought so many folks were just like, well, we only
lost by ten or only lost by nine, like I
thought it was. I didn't even think people went into
the game thinking there was like a chance, like there
are teams that go into chance like games like, all right,

(54:13):
there's a path we win.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I don't know how you find that path with this
team against the teams that you're gonna be playing, who
are they gonna sneak up on? And in surprise, they
don't shoot it well from outside right now they have
If they don't get transition, offense looks the same it
has for five years. They're not getting the inside presence,
they don't get the defensive stops when necessary, they don't.
They don't do the small things. They don't make free throws,

(54:37):
and they don't limit turnovers. And they don't score off
their defense.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
No.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I mean, like, okay, fine, we're not a great offensive team,
but we can score off our defense.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
They can't do that either. It is and like it's
it's it's so daunting right now, the.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Compare contrast, Right, you talk about Xavier, I'm with you.
I think you See as a more talented roster. But
Xavier's team has improved, that team has gotten better. U
See's team looks the seams that did Game one.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Again like all right, fine, you're tired of losing his xavior,
get it. You're tired of losing to the center every
other year.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I understand it.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
But this season was always going to be defined by
is their name on the screen on Selection Sunday? Now
the counter to that has been, well, how does it look?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
If they're a team number sixty nine? Are we letting
a committee determine whether or not Wes is gonna keep
his gig? I get it, But they didn't come close
last year. That team last year was talented. This year's
team feels talented.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
You have a hard time convincing anybody they're even gonna
come close.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
And the problem for me is last year's team. The
players that have left Arrington Page is averaging like sixteen
a game. Skilling is off to a good start with
Baylor Tyler. Betsy Tyler. Betsy's averaging like fifteen a game
for Syracuse. Dylan Mitchell is a starter and main contributor
on Saint John's team. Like it'd be one thing if

(55:57):
like all the players went to smaller level schools and
played players from last year's team are main contributors on
Power four teams. But they couldn't figure it out here
and then we ran everyone off. Like you and I
were the biggest Dylan Mitchell fans. I think around and
I'm like, bring him back. He's who you need to

(56:19):
have on the team. They were more than okay to
move on. Who scooped him up? Rick Patino like that guy? Yeah,
I want him on my team. Yeah, I'm asking the
same thing. Where's the toughness on this team? The teams
that I grew up with, you see tough, hard nosed
battle every time.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Where's the identity? Where's the program identity?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I said this to you. I watched Kirk Crease at Kentucky,
at West Virginia, at Arizona, and when I watched him
on the TV, I'm like, I hate that guy because
he he freaking plays away. That bothers me. Now I
look at him on Cincinnati and I'm like, where did
the guy that I hated playing against go? He didn't
really have an edge. He's just kind of laid back,
like the guy with the energy is who I wanted.

(57:04):
I didn't like playing against him because of that. That's
who you want on your team, and he's not that
right now. I just I don't know how. I don't
know how it happens. They're too inconsistent. They they still
don't have the go to guy, and as you mentioned,
when they did have the go to guy, they didn't
have a way to get him the ball. It is, uh,
it's frustrating right now. And it's more frustrating because you're

(57:26):
no longer getting ready for the American Athletic Conference schedule.
You're getting ready to play teams that are ranked number
one in the country, number four in the country, number
seven in the country, number ten in the country. Like,
it's not going to get any easier this year.

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Wow.

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Speaker 3 (58:24):
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Speaker 4 (58:33):
What a great win. I'd love to know from Mike, Like,
did Mike enter the contest here at Twin Peaks? Did
he enter it at a different show you do? Did
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Speaker 3 (58:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Pick charity?

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I will walk to Pittsburgh, all right, Normally, Like there's
a lot of things you would say, and I would
jump in and be like, I'll do it too. You're
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Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I'm in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
College basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Kentucky falls out of the AP Top twenty five, but
they get votes. The Miami Redogks got votes. Mark Pope
will talk about his team getting just bludgeoned by Gonzaga
tonight six pm on the Mark Pope Show. The NKU
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Carrol named the Big Eiast Player of the Week, largely
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(01:02:25):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Also, T Higgins is back in concussion protocol. Look, which, like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I T played a really good game yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I don't know that he should have been allowed to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
When when they came back from the break and he
was back in the game, I was shocked. Yeah, and
then he hit it again, yeah, and was back in
and like after a catch even like you could tell
getting up he wasn't right. He had a couple of drops.
It just there. It was that. That was a very
uneasy situation. And again it's never that's the whole point

(01:03:06):
of like the independent neurologist, Yeah, because the player is
never gonna take themselves down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Well, the one play, like on the sideline he hits
his head and he came up pointing at his head.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Yeah, he's like, hey, it's just out, you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Know what my head? Last I was in didn't miss
I missed last week's game right here. You may want to, Okay,
I'm gonna have to go in the ten you're gonnay, Okay,
I'm not gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
And then like I love t Higgins, we all do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Made a great one hitting catch at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
He was awesome yesterday, but watching him play.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Was was scary. Yep, scary.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Answer me this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
During the course of the game, the Buffalo Bill's only
success in the air came on very quick throws, right,
especially very quick throws where you know it's at the
line of scrimmage. Guys run a round of maybe a
yard or two. Why was there no defense against it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
It was like it was like we were playing the
most explosive passing attack in the in the game. And
I'm not saying that Josh Allen, He's an m VP
for a reason, but Shakir Coleman, Brandon Cook, who they
just got off the waiver wire. They don't. They don't
throw the ball in the air to beat you. They

(01:04:12):
rely on yards after the catch, and their offense had
been lacking in one area. Dalton king Kaid's been out,
so like, here's the most frustrating thing I have with
Al Golden right now, barring the third and fifteen where
everyone knew the run was coming and you're coming out
of a timeout. If you would have went into the
game yesterday and you would have pulled an average football
fan and said, what's Buffalo's keys? What are they gonna

(01:04:35):
try to do offensively? You would have probably said, Josh
Allen involved in the running game along with James Cook,
and are going to find their tight ends? What they
do that exact thing. Their wide receivers didn't be you.
King Kaid was the leading receiver, Knox was leading receiver,
James Cook, those are your top three. No one else

(01:04:55):
beat you. So if we could sit back going into
a game and know that, why does it feel like
the Bengals don't know that going into a game, all
the advanced scouting and analytics that we have at our disposal,
that's just football. They're making a big deal about getting
their tight end back for a reason, and it doesn't matter.
It could be Kincaid, it could be Knocks, it could
be Andrews, it could be likely, it could be Darnell Washington.

(01:05:19):
It doesn't matter. Lining the tight end up, they're gonna
have a big Day against the Cincinnati Bengals, and yet
they fail to have any type of answer for a
tight end beating them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Jay Morrison on Bengals Talk dot Com outlines how the
Bengals in many respects are the worst defense in NFL
history against tight ends. Yeah, and so like this game
on Sunday against Baltimore. Let's face it, the Ravens were
very complicit in their own demise on Thanksgiving night. I'm

(01:05:53):
looking at it two ways, going, Okay, well, we stopped
giving the ball to Derrick Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
That's gonna change.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Also number two, we are just gonna pound the middle
of the field, which they did to a degree in
that game with Andrews unlikely.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Well, here's this Andrews likely. Darren Waller is playing really
good for the Dolphins right now in Tyreek Hill's absence,
Trey McBride might be the best tight end in football.
You don't hear about Arizona? Yeah, was it Fannin and Djoku?
So you're playing good tight ends down the stretch, which
essentially against the Bengals defense at quate to number one

(01:06:26):
wide receivers across the NFL. It's not like any of
the remaining teams will go into that game and say, well,
we're good, they're gonna they're all gonna to attack with
tight ends.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Was last night the end of the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Sure felt like it. Sure felt like it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Like dynasties end, and usually that's how they end. When
Travis kelcey mishandled that ball that ended up being a
pick with the score of seventeen to ten, First of all,
I thought Chris collins Worth was going to cry. Second, like,
that's often kind of how dynasty's end.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Yeah, it's not when like the role players go away, right,
It's when the best players lose it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
It's a Hall of Famer sitting on the sideline staring
off into the clouds thinking it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I don't know if Travis Kelsey's gonna come back and
play next year. He has nothing to prove. His career
has been. What he has done speaks for himself. That's
kind of how it ends.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
And the crazy thing is, like, I know by his
standards different he's the second leading tight end in the
NFL this year. Yeah, behind Trey McBride. So it's not
like he's like the fifteenth best and it's just a
big fall off. I mean, Travis Kelcey this year still
is producing seven hundred and twenty seven yards, eighty three targets,

(01:07:43):
five touchdowns. Like he's still producing. He's the second best
tight end from a production standpoint in the NFL right now.
It just goes to show how elite he's been in
his career, and it just doesn't feel like it's the
same guy right now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I think that the thing for me, Like Patrick Mahomes
is thirty years old. Last year he was good, but
not by his standards. This year he has been okay,
but not by his standards. Yeah, if I'm in Kansas City,
that's the thing. Is Patrick Mahomes anytime in the near
future gonna start to look like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Patrick Mahomes again? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Because if the answer is no, then then the rebuild
is gonna take is gonna be even more difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
And you could, like you could make the argument about catching.
That's a hard catch on that interception to Kelsey, no
doubt about it. He's breaking to his right, the throw
is well behind him. The throw to Raschi Rice was
well behind him, Like Mahomes was complicit in those issues
as well. So yeah, I listen, it's never gonna be
easy in the NFL. I'm sure that Kansas City will

(01:08:46):
reload in a way and still put a winning product
on the field. I don't think this is to be
the new norm. Are we talking about them in the
sense of like you're scared of them going forward? Probably not.
But they'll be relevant going forward, They'll be releve next year.
They're not going away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
They're not going away.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But it's like they again lest It was like we
used talking about with Joey Vado when he had his
first like not MVP caliber season. You're like, you know what,
Mahomes is good, but by his standards not good fields human,
and this year's kind of been the same. That's career lowan,
success rate, career lowan, and passer rating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
I mean just across the board. It's and that's the
frustrating part about the Bengals this year. We're talking about
an AFC that's not gonna have Mahomes, not gonna have
Lamar Jackson in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Not gonna have potentially gonna have Daniel Jones, not gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Have Daniel Jones and the like. But there are so
many openings this year in the AFC. That's that's what
makes this so hard. But all they gotta do is
go for it, right, I'll tell you this. Buckling down
the stretch a chain for the Dolphins might break records. Yeah,
Trey McBride has thirty three more catches than Travis Kelce
this year. He might break records down the stretch against

(01:09:58):
the Bengals. It is, but they just go win four
in a row. The four to nine team just has
to win four in a row. And there's a chance
at eight nine though, we're back in it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It's eight away from uh five o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yeah, sure, I want to talk about the play that
Joe Burrow threw the first pick on, and then we
have the college football playoff to talk about, including Notre
Dame's decision to not play in some random bowl game.
There's a lot to get to between now and six.
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A breaking news record for us on a Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
We started the show at three o'clock by finding out
that Jermaine Burton has been cut.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yes.

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Then the four o'clock hours started and we found out
that Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery, thus ending his
twenty twenty five season. And we have just found out.
I don't think this comes as a surprise to anybody.
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Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I actually feel like I know a lot of people
that are going to the Miami game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Like I feel like that was one of the games
like on the schedule early like, oh December, right, Miami
Bengals are gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Well, the eyes of the sports world are gonna be
on Greenville, South Carolina that day Tony when the UC
Bearcats take on the Clemson Tigers in a game that
I think is gonna really jump start the Bearcats season.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Yep, yep, Victor Lockin' still there. Victor Lockin has expired
his eligibility. Okay, there was another Bearcat that moved on
and played pretty well somewhere else. Let's not go down
this path.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
So Bengals Dolphins will not be in primetime one o'clock
on Sunday to some of the twenty Feuh, we're gonna
get to the college football playoff and I think specifically
Notre Dame here in just a bit, with the contractually
obligated airing of Zach Taylor's press conferences coming up a
little bit later on. Obviously, we have been sifting through

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the wreckage of a collapse yesterday in Buffalo, the Bengals
losing to the Bills in a game that makes it
even more unlikely that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
The Bengals qualified for the postseason and needs some other
stuff to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
We talk about Joe Burrow and the pick in the
fourth quarter of the first of the two picks, the
pick six is which I think the take that you
had is the same that I had. Joe Burrow made
a mistake. Joe Burrow made a play that you can't make,
especially in that situation. But they're going to happen. He
needs to be on a team that's best equipped for
him to be human on that play. Though, from a

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quarterback perspective, what.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Happened corner blitz, Joe saw it. And nine times out
of ten, you take that snap and you just throw
a quick spot route to Jamar Chase, and it's not
a play meant for, you know, Jamar Chase to go
eighty yards. It's a play meant to get four or

(01:14:44):
five yards, you know, easy completion, get a couple of yards.
Because by sending that pressure from the corner, Buffalo's trying
to change the narrative. They're trying to get a stop
in the backfield on a running play or create an
issue in the passing game. Remember earlier, right before the
half ended, Bengals got the ball back. They start moving
it and you're like, man, they could deal a heavy

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blow here corner blitz came from Joe's backside and Joe
never saw Orlando Brown Junior didn't see it. The one
in the fourth quarter came where Joe could see it.
So he adjust and again nine times out of ten,
you take that snap, you move it, and you could
with an arm angle get it around the corner. That's blitzing.
The problem is is that in the conditions, Joe didn't

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get the snap cleanly, and he had already committed to
throwing it, so he ends up almost shot putting it
instead of being able to adjust his arm angle and
get that ball with a little zip to Jamar Chase.
Corner still had to make a good play on it.
Right read right idea, just bad execution. Unfortunately, it happens

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about the second one for me. Guard's got to get
the defender's hands down. That's still in Fairchild. It's still
in fair Child. Anytime it wasn't like the guard, it
wasn't like the defender rushed with the arms up. He
kept his arms up for about a second or two.
You got to create a punch. You got to take
that guy to the ground. Anytime a defender puts his

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arms up immediately. You got to get them down somehow
with a punch that lowers it. Because all the Bengals
were trying to do get an easy completion to start
the drive, and it was Jamar Chase was eight yards
down the field with if he was gonna catch that
and probably get a first down, then you feel like
you're in the drive. The unfortunate nature of the ball
gets batted up and falls into the hands of a

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of a defender for the Buffalo Bill. So there's nothing
as a quarterback you can do on that. Yeah, you
know the first one, Yes, there are things Joe could
have done better.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
The first one, like as it's unfolding, Yeah, you could
see it, yep. Right, second one was just a fluke
right as the first one is happening, like as it jump,
don't I mean you could.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Problem is this with the right read because if you
turn and hand it off, the guy coming off the
edge is gonna hit the ball carrier in the backfield anyway,
So right read terrible execution. I don't know, Like people said, well,
what's he supposed to do? There's only two options at
that point. You either tuck it and you fall down
and lose two yards or you just try to throw

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the ball at the ground in Jamar Chase's area. I
think Joe legitimately still thought like, Oh, this corner's coming in,
I'll just put the touch over it and we'll get
two yards out of it. Just complete, complete miss of
a throw from Joe Burrow on the right. I think
you have to emphasize though it was the right read
on the play. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
The other play in the game yesterday that we haven't
talked about yet was the fourth and goal from the
three after Buffalo has a touchdown taken off the board.
You know, it's a thirty two to twenty eight game.
Buffalo understandably is trying to go up by two scorers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Where's the pass rush?

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Nonexistent there to me is where is where Trey Hendricks
came in it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Yeah, you know it's not there. And the more frustrating
thing again, the player that catches it is a tight end.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yeah, so red zone alert, Alert, alert and like their
third tight end like alert, what is a tight end?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
What is Barrett Carter doing on that play?

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Correct? And I think I think you can make an
argument I didn't. I didn't clip it. Yet they they
send like teams normally do on a on a fourth
and short from the goal line, a fullback to the
flat three. Bengals went with the fullback. Now I don't
even know who the fullback was, but I can guarantee
you he doesn't need to be triple covered. So there
was clearly a miscommunication or a missed assignment on that play,

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which then takes an extra hat out of the middle
of the field. So again, anytime you give Josh Allen
that much time and you're triple teaming one guy who
doesn't need to be triple team, someone's gonna pop open.
But the lack of pass rushes is maddening. Like you said,
on a play where if you get the ball back,
you still feel like you're gonna go win the game,
Like that's that's how good Joe is. You get that

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stop and like they're gonna go win. I truly believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
I truly believe they would have had a chance to
win had they got the third and fifteenth three.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Say which one about the two picks that Joe throws
in either one of those the set of circumstances, had
Joe Burr gotten the ball back down by a score.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, I think they win all game.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
He was in such a good rhythm because he didn't
have to force it to anyone. Yeah, Like they were
clearly working to take Jamar out. He's still got Jamar
looks more than happy to find Mike Asiki at a
Monster game yesterday. Yeah, more than happy to find t Higgins,
more than happy to find Chase Brown out of the backfield.
I had all the faith in the world if they
get that stop on third down to fifteen, they're gonna

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go down and threaten in the read zone. Agreed, That's
what made it that much worse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I thought that they would at least be in a
position to score.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
And maybe they wouldn't have finished the drive, but I
think they would have been a position to score.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
And I'll still naive enough. And I don't know why,
because I've watched this defense all year that when like
Josh Allen broke through the initial line, I'm like, all right,
there's two defenders that are off the screen still that
are about to insert and make this tackle, and that
is the play wind. I'm like, wait, what that's Gino's done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
No, here's number twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
No, No, no chance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Next year at linebacker all goodness, because I can hear
it now. Well, you know, no Demetrious Knight and Barrett
Carter are gonna benefit from that year of experience. Those
two guys, unchallenged, can't be your starting list backers next year.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Demetrious Knight right now, Pro Football Focus ranks him as
the worst linebacker in football.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
And that's remarkable to me because his teammate, I think,
is actually worse.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Barrett Carter is the giving up the most yards per
coverage attempt by a linebacker in the NFL. And oh,
by the way, Oron Burks granted as the worst cover
linebacker in all the NFL. Their three linebackers are dead
last in categories where I was told they would excel.
I thought Aaron Burks could cover.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I thought Golden. Now Golden emphasizes linebacker well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Oron Burke's athlete can't cover anyone. Barrett Carter, when he
does cover someone, gives up the most yards per completion
of any linebacker. And Demetrious Knight as a whole is
the worst linebacker in football from a PSF standpoint, in
the position group in which your defensive coordinator specializes, in

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which you used multiple draft picks, and that's one of
your free agent signings. One, by the way, was not
a player you'll see tonight who is one of the
highest graded linebackers and all the footballs. Do you hot Campbell?
Remember all that Campbell talk we said? And they're like,
whoa butt?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Mo?

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
That guy he's good and all. But what about Demetrius
Knight because he's like twenty five and he's seen it all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
I guess what I don't understand is like, it's one
thing if you want to go, but you know what
those two young guys, and by the way, Demitrius Knight
is twenty five, but those two draft choices, they have
a ways to go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Those three guys are terrible. I'd ask Austin said today
he's like he said, I think Demetrius Knight's getting better,
And I said, what on what? But I think there's
like a point of how bad it was versus how
bad it is now that maybe you can say there's improvement.
But my goodness, to be the worst linebacker in all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Of football, even if they are getting better, which I
don't believe they are, how could those two guys, how
could you say next year's defense, that's our linebacking group.
How no, how as bad as they've been this year,
how could you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Camp? Like, I hate we're already talking we have to
start talking to eventually about next year. How can you
go into next year with those that core of linebacker combines?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Like ten weeks away?

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
But how can you be how can you be serious
about the direction? Because if this season ends, MO, you're
talking about back to back years where you have wasted
a lead offensive production. Uh huh, same thing we did
last year and said what they just got to get
the defense to the middle of the pack. Defense got
worse this year. How are you gonna get any better?
What are the grounds for belief right now on the

(01:22:54):
defensive side of the ball with the player and talent evaluation?
I saw this Joe Goodbury twet this out today and
then Kelsey Conway I believe, retweeted it. Over the last
three years, the Bengals defense is thirtieth inn EPA per play,
thirty first in opponent success rates. They're a bottom five
pass defense and a bottom three run defense for now

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three seasons. It's not getting any better. This year is worse,
and it's not like it just like flung upon you
this year. It's been three years and now this is
the worst culminating defense in three years of bad defenses.
Where's the belief that it's gonna get better.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
There were so many people who just were like relieved, Yeah, Like, oh,
I didn't miss it. By the way, we just got
a chance to meet Mike McMillan.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Oh did the committee get it right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
I don't think so. A lot of things happened. I mean,
you have Duke that won the ACC that doesn't get in,
so the ACC doesn't get an automatic.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
That's not the committee's fault.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Correct, Correct. I don't understand how you view certain opponents
versus others. Alabama, if you watch the game, it wasn't
as close as twenty eight to seven. They did not
get penalized for losing that game. BYU got beat as well.
BYU is penalized for losing the Big twelve title game.

(01:25:45):
Those two things don't make sense. And if you if
you just go to the very core strength of schedule
BYU strength of schedules twenty two, Miami of Florida's forty
five Notre Dame is forty four. Notre Dame's losses came
to Miami in Texas A and M two teams that
are in the playoff. BYU's losses came at Texas Tech
and in the Big twelve championship game against Texas Tech.

(01:26:07):
Miami's losses came against SMU and Louisville. I just, I
just the only thing I don't like about it is
it doesn't feel like there's any rhyme or reason why
some things are viewed some way and others reviewed the other.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
So there's no consistency, correct, So let me start with
my take on Miami and Notre Dame. If it's me,
Miami would have been ranked ahead of Notre Dame. But
that wouldn't have started yesterday, right, And.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
So that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
I understand and agree with Notre Dame's gripe. Wait a minute,
all this time, including in the second to last rankings,
we've been ranked ahead of We've been ranked ahead of Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
This weekend. We didn't play right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
We put nothing on the field, no data on the field,
not to change or affect your opinion, and now we're
behind them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
That makes zero sense.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
That's the thing. If weeks leading up it was like that, Okay,
head to head matters, right, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Could argue about it or argue how much it should matter.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Do you think it mattered that they that Miami was
the ACC team and that they felt they needed to
get that in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
We're talking about human beings, right, How for the committee
is fourteen people, which seems like a bit much, But okay,
you can't tell me that there were some of them
who weren't like, we need an ACC team. And I
if it's me, I'm on the committee, and you go, okay,
Notre Dame or Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I would say Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
But if I'm a Notre Dame fan, I woke up
yesterday morning thinking, at the very least, we're gonna be
ranked ahead of Miami. If you want to make it
about Notre Dame versus Alabama. That's that's one thing, because
Alabama did play. But I at least my head hit
the pillow on Saturday believing because of the four weeks
leading up to it, Miami will not leap fra August

(01:27:51):
because they didn't play and we didn't play.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
And now suddenly, wait a.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Minute out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
So I understand the gripe.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
I agree with the gripe, even if I believe they
ultimately achieve the correct outcome, which that in itself, to me,
is an indictment against this process.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
And again, the consistency or lack thereof Alabama loses to
the number three ranked team gets blown out, they don't
drop b Why you lose to the fourth ranked team,
they drop out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
So I am also a believer that if you play
in the thirteenth game, you shouldn't be penalized.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Correct, But there is precedent.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Happened to Georgia, a top ranked Georgia team a few
years ago, we still had the fourteen playoff. Happen with
Auburn a number of years ago, when we still had
a fourteen playoff. And so again it's about consistency. If
you want to say that playing the thirteenth game, we're
not going to penalize you for losing. First of all,
they played terribly in that game. Yes, we're not going
to penalize you for losing. I understand, Except that's the

(01:28:49):
there's precedent, there's precedent that says, well, we actually can
move a team down that does play the thirteenth game.
And again, if you want to say apples to Orange's
fourteen field versus twelve team field, but then look at
what happened to be, why.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
Would be why you have been in if they didn't
play in the Big twelve title game. Let's say Utah, No,
I'm gonna guess no, if they went in ranked eleven,
would they have dropped?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Well, if they would have been eleven, they still would
have been on the beause James Madison and and Tulane.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
What did you make of o Higo States loss?

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
To me, it was all about Indiana's defense and those
of may Throws made that third down.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
But like I'm watching that and I'm like, this does
not look like the Ohio State team I've watched multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
How about Ryan Day electing the field goal, which they missed.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah, week down three, they threw the ball third one
twice I've seen I've only seen two of them this year.
Julian say, and shouldn't run quarterback snakes. No, his technique
just isn't good with them. You've got you've got like
Cornell tait I. I wondered if he was in the
game at times. Jeremiah Smith like, those guys should not

(01:29:58):
be able to be taken out of a game. And
again I credited Indiana on the back end. I thought
they were causing some confusion with Julian saying, but I
credited Indiana. They made plays, you know, Austin to it today.
There were times there was good coverage, just a better
play was made. Yeah, Indiana went and won that game.
But I was I was curious in the fourth quarter

(01:30:19):
when Ohio State had the ball, it felt like they
were running out the clock. They were winning, Yeah, they were.
They were huddling, they were taking their time. They did
that before the half as well. I mean Joe Kladis
at the half of HEAs clambered, why is Ohio State
letting all this time run off? Why are they not
trying to go score and go get points? It was
just odd, and I'm not saying that like Ohio State, like,

(01:30:41):
did they keep it vanilla? Very? Did they keep it basic?
Do you think they did that for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
I think it was we think we can win our
dudes versus their dudes. We'll keep it vanilla and if
we still lose, we're going to be a top.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Fourteen yea, as they should be, and arguably they might
have a better path.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Now, yeah, I agree really quick on Notre Dame. So
they decide we're not going to play in a bowl game?

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Good? Are you okay with that? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
So my first thought was better to not put a
team on the field than what Florida State put on the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
Field in a bowl game two years And if you're
Miami like or if you're Notre Dame, I like, okay,
so you want to screw us, but then you want
to make money off us going and playing in this bowl. Also, like, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Good Marcus Freeman and the ad there, which I haven't
agreed with everything he has said. Their responsibility is to
Notre Dame if they don't think it's in the program's
best interest to play in a meaningless bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Game, then don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Play right, all these other schools are allowed to get
a jump start on what's next. Iowa State chose not
to play in a bowl game, Kansas State chose not
to play in a bowl game. A whole host of
five and seven teams have said thanks, but no thanks
to a bowl game. They're all allowed to kind of
get a jump start on next year, especially in this
era where ball games have never mattered less end of
players opting out. I have zero issue with Notre Dame

(01:31:52):
deciding we don't want to play in a game, like the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
Hard part about overall, I agree with what Notre Dame did.
The way that things are structure right now in the
college football playoff, even the first round games kind of
lose their luster a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Well, there's rematches two of them which aren't great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
No James Madison Oregon as good of a season it
was for James Madison, Oregon's gonna wipe the floor with them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Do you believe that the system we have in place
now which opens the door for schools like James Madison
and Tulane to get in is one that we should
move forward with. Where they are two of the top
five highest rated conferences.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
It's hard so they get in because you're always gonna
you're always gonna want to push the bar back. Well,
you know, if there were sixteen teams, we would run
into this problem, sure we would. Would it would get
to fourteen, the number fifteen would be pissed, Like, you're
never gonna make everybody happy. I get I still, if
it's just about watching and viewership, yeah, offense to James Madison. Yeah,
I want to see the best. I want to see
the twelve best teams in the playoff. Ask and right

(01:32:50):
now they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Ask your average college football fan would you rather watch
in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
And like, would I like to see Diego Pavia? Would
I like to see Texas? Would I like to see BYU?

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
No offense to those other teams. I want to see
the best teams.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
And I'm sensitive to this because the team that I
root for not that long ago was a group before school.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Correct, but they had a special season one all their
games one at Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Yeah they weren't. They weren't James Madden. Like, no offense
to James Madison, like you see, was a powerhouse that year, right,
No offense to Tulane you see was a powerhouse that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Year well, and did it on the field against Notre Dame, correct,
which was team number five that year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
And so I'm really split, Like I'm not excited to
watch James Madison play Oregon and like I get I'm
a huge college basketball fan. So that you have the
one versus sixteen, we let the little guy in. There
is a marked difference between letting the little guy in
a sixty eighteen field and a twelve team field.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
Do you want my hot take please? Texas Tech a
play for the national title. We're on the same page. Gosh,
they're good, Like people get so caught up in Indiana,
Ohio State and not get it in Georgia the sec
You watch that team man offensively, defense, they got it.
They lost one game all year when their starting quarterback
was out, and they covered in every game but one

(01:34:07):
this year. Huh, not only one, which is important. They
covered the number every time they played. Yeah, I think
Texas Tech is going to play Georgia.

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Speaker 9 (01:36:02):
On PJ, Jeulescott hurt. Yeah, PJ will be week to
week with an ankle and then how did aside them
out of that game?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Laceration? So I think he'll be okay. Well, we'll see
where it is. He might be limited early in the week,
but it was a laceration.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
There's no change on Trey status.

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
Would expect Trey will be out.

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
So he's seen another specialist today and we'll see where
that goes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Think of the Jermaine Burke suspension just for that game
you visit.

Speaker 9 (01:36:27):
So we're we're releasing Jermaine today. What led to that decision?
Just decision to make. We just made it. We're going
to release him and move on and wish him the best.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
I'll put us just picked never materialized like the talent
y'all saw, y'all draft him, just never came to potion.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Yeah, I think everybody worked really hard at it and
wishing the best. Hopefully he gets to change the scenery
and can do good things for him what precipitated his
suspension side, I won't get into that.

Speaker 9 (01:36:59):
We're gonna really him today else we'll come off this week.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
We'll see, we'll get to Wednesday and then sort through
how we want to approach it this week.

Speaker 9 (01:37:10):
So we'll get to Wednesday and make a decision on
that with Tray seeing the specialist.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Is that gonna is that changes? Is there a chance
he could come back at some point.

Speaker 9 (01:37:22):
Or what is he I'm not sure yet. We'll get
more information.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
On that today.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
But he's out. But he's out for this week. He's
out for this week. Uh, any you just gotta make
a movie or receive it or we'll see what.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
We'll see where we end up with with the roster spots.
So anyway, I'm not gonna speak too soon on that.
We've got to Wednesday really later this week to see
how it sorts out.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
What specific I know what that's been like back hip
Elvis on Trey, What do you have more details of
what exactly he's doing?

Speaker 9 (01:37:53):
What kind of all that? Okay, Titans and has been
probably a source spot for you guys. What can you
do to fix that? There's a couple of things.

Speaker 5 (01:38:03):
I mean, we can be better on some of the snaps,
not buying so much on the action in front of them,
and there's other ways. I know I was trying to
help them scommatically as well. So each one's a little
bit of it's a unique look because you might be
at a different coverage, it might be a different look, might
be a different way that they got the tight end there.
But certainly has been something that's bit us and we've

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got to work out crazy direct by it.

Speaker 11 (01:38:25):
How much of it is two rookie linebackers is gonna
got to come in and try to pick on that.

Speaker 9 (01:38:31):
And that has kind of sorted of itself. That happens sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
I think they've they've continued to gain the experience through it,
and so some things that maybe got them earlier in
the season, they've done a great job reacting to it.
This is one that you know didn't work well for
us in this last game, but feel good about how
we can rectify that and continue.

Speaker 9 (01:38:49):
Tom proved to stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Did you expect or I hope that it would be
at a better level though by this point this season.

Speaker 9 (01:38:54):
Well, there's there's two elements to it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
They're doing a much better job stopping the run, obviously,
and so when teams are utilizing that's your advantage. There's
some big place behind the past game. That's really a
team that comes in and runs the ball really well.

Speaker 9 (01:39:07):
Typically they're a.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
Good play action team behind it when they've got a
quarterback like they do and they get the tight ends statue.
So it's hand in hand if you played a team
who who's first in the league and rushing, So how
are you going to stop that? You've got to commit
to stopping it, and at times it's going to free
up some guys behind you.

Speaker 9 (01:39:21):
You don't want it to happen. We have tools to
make sure that doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:39:24):
But it happened, and the reality is they're a really
good run team and they can capitalize on it sometimes
and get some big explosives off in the past game.

Speaker 11 (01:39:32):
It's it fig to say the tight end issue has
been kind of the biggest factor in what's gone, particularly
sideways on defense.

Speaker 9 (01:39:38):
Well, that's beginning's both.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
I think we've been better against the run as of
late these last couple of weeks, and so to combat that,
some teams are hard action and trying to get the
tight ends behind you. And again I'm not saying we've
done a great job against it. There are snaps where
we have done a great job where you don't even
notice it because it's been taken away, and there's been
some times where you get a bo and we have
to be much better there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
How can Dimitris Night specifically play better?

Speaker 9 (01:40:04):
What are the biggest things you're looking.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
For for growth from them?

Speaker 9 (01:40:06):
How can you play better? Yeah, what are the biggest
looking I think for both.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
Those guys, it's again just continue to gain experience with
each snap and don't make the same mistake twice and
learn from what you're seeing. And I think they do
a great job with their preperation through the week where
they've gained a lot of confidence through what they've seen,
and the guys around them have gained a lot of
confidence and some of the adjustments they got to make
on the move. They've done an excellent job growing in
that area. And again they're on games. You know, I've

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said this before, they're on games you know, eight and
thirteen or whatever it is is starting. We played some
guys that have one hundred starts under their belt, and
so again that's that's one of those key positions where
the experience really helps you the more you can gain,
and so we're trying to get that experience to them
as quickly as possible so that the payoff can be
as quickly as possible, because we see high end trades
from those guys, and I think they're making really good

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progress and I still have really high ups for them
and proud of the growth that they've had. And it
doesn't mean that there's not gonna be some cups along
the way, but they're made of the right stuff and
we'll continue to invest him.

Speaker 11 (01:41:04):
What did you think of Tea's play yesterday and what
he has been playing through and the effort that he
has made to get himself back on the people, going
through the protocol and all of it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
He made some enormous place for us in the game.
And so again he comes up really big and big moments,
and he's a guy that joke and trust and so
so proud of the way they handle that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
There were a lot of conversations about obviously he had
one of the protocols clear the protocol.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
What's that conversation like between the independent spot er Matt
and you in terms of how available a player is.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
I'm just told if he's available or not. And so
I think what happened yesterday was obviously there's some that
looked bad. He felt good throughout. It is what I've
you know, gained throughout the game and postgame. Obviously he
did this morning and last night and half symptoms again,
So we will put him back into protocol. But again,
just I talked to T one on one two and

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when you feel this because you're you're worried about the guy, Okay,
did you feel during the game?

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
I felt fine, you know, I took hits, I got
up and felt fine, and and then after the fact
reported that he felt concussion symptoms.

Speaker 9 (01:42:13):
So we'll put him back in the protocol and we'll
go through that this week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Is right, I mean, how what was your reaction like,
given like all of that information, as you gain it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:21):
Now he's you know, experienced the symptoms again. You know,
is there anything you wish you could have done differently? No,
it's hard because in the game you don't you don't
really see it all.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
And the first one happens on their sidelines, so probably
you will have a better perspective than anyone on our sidelines.

Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
And so it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
And again he he The way he talks to me
about it was I got hit and so I'm shaking
up on the play just from my football head. And
by the time the dogs got out there, I felt fine.
I got up and and it was for good, cleared everything.
And then postgame to get on the plane coming this morning,
and he's doing the right thing and saying, Okay, now
I don't feel great, and so we'll put him back.

Speaker 9 (01:42:54):
In the protocol.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Mathematically, it's not that different from last year.

Speaker 11 (01:42:59):
You're to get into the playoffs at this point, do
you guys talk about anything like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
We gotta win. That's as simple as that. I don't
know what the odds are. I know they're not zero,
and so what I told our guys, the odds are zero.
So we're gonna keep fighting, keep scratching and keep kawing,
keep approaching every week the way we've been doing it,
and we just got to win.

Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
Very good line, yep, well both.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Of you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:43:28):
Yeah, Hi, I thought they did a great job and protection.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
Joe did a good job buying some I mean sometimes,
I mean really that the two sacks were getting up
the last two weeks, we're corner blitz is totally different situations.
One was a third down, you know, the guy's role pressure,
and the one against Baltimore was the first second down
under center play action. So those are two that that
you know, he's just it's good calls by the defense.
The line's done a great job and protection they've given

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him time. The throat to Gaseki yesterday, we blocked everyone
we could. We got a great squeeze on the right side.
There's an unlocked player we can't account for. That's Joe's guide.
Joe makes a miss and hits Kosecke for touchdowns. So
I thought everybody did a really good job versus the pressure.
For the most part, there's one or two that were tough,
and the line's been a big part of that. And
in the run game, they're giving us exactly what we need.
In some key situations. First down, it was a little

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hard to mix our runs with some of the looks
they were giving us that weren't always successful. But I
thought on second down and third down, we did a
great job around football and that's the credit to the
guys at front, the backs, and the tight ends, and
I thought that was really well executed.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
I know the yards.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
Aren't there necessarily, but we got what we needed out
of them when we needed it.

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This has been a Zach Taylor press conference on ESPN
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There you go, the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's
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Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
We are finished.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
What to thank the staff here at Twin Peaks in
West Chin to four having us. We will be at
the Florence location next week. We are looking forward to
that day after the Bengals take on the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Victory Monday next week, hopefully stave off elimination victory Monday,
can a win? I'm just asking you, hope so okay,
hope so for to row Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
If they win, they cannot be eliminated.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Four to row Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
If they win on Sundays, they will still be mathematically alive.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Facts.

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