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You know a lot of different themes to the Bengals
off season. One of them is make your layups. They
haven't made a layup yet. They're standing under the rim.
They've got the ball, there's no defender nearby. What are
they gonna lay it off the glass and put it through?
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on my egger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you
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We are going to do a Bengals off season overview
in the five o'clock hour with our guy James Rapine.
I don't know that Trey Hendrickson is a name that
I'm going to bring up. We're gonna talk about the
AFC North and all the different coaching changes, and some

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free agency options and maybe some early, very early draft
storylines with James. That's coming up in the five o'clock hour.
It is interesting. There's been if you go on the
internet and I'm this, I'm not saying this critically, there's
been Trey Hendrickson chatter, and understandably so. He is one
of the biggest free agent names out there. He is

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arguably the most accomplished free agent name out there. And
as you know, we talk about how the next couple
of months are gonna unfold, one thing you wonder is
a what are they gonna do to make the pass
rush better? I mean, Duke Tobin two weeks ago today
said quote, pass rush is king. So if there's anything
you feel like they're gonna prioritize. It's pass rush. They

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need to prioritize pass rush. There is a school of thought,
and I get it. Where you go? Huh? Trey Hendrickson
is viewed by many as one of the best free
agents available. Why would the Bengals not be interested in
one of the best free agents available? So a couple
of things about that. Here's my question for you coming

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into the season. The Bengals had no plans for Trey
Hendrickson to be on the team in twenty twenty six.
That's abundantly clear, Like right, wrong. Maybe you think the
Bengals stance was incorrect, Maybe you think the way they
treated Trey was unfair. Maybe thought the way the Bengals
treated Tray was completely within reason, whatever it is. But

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I think if there's one conclusion we could all draw,
it's they had no plans for Trey Hendrickson in twenty
twenty six. If they did, chances are he would be
under contract in twenty twenty six. So and and by
the way, that's something that was abundantly clear years ago
when they gave him a one year contract extension. It

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was abundantly clear during the twenty twenty four season, which
prior to that he asked for a trade. It was
abundantly clear before last season. It was abundantly clear as
last season played out. It's I think abundantly clear now.
But if you're holding out hope that these two sides
can I don't know, set aside their differences and work

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out something, or that they should franchise, tag them and
keep them, which I cannot imagine them doing. I guess
I asked this, if prior to last season you didn't
have plans for Trey Hendrickson being on your team, did
anything happen in twenty twenty five to make you change
her mind? Now, when he played last year, he was

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actually pretty effective. You know, it feels like forever it
goes since Trey Hendrickson was playing for the twenty twenty
five Bengals. But even in a down year statistically, I'm
looking here at Pro Football Network's NFL Edge Impact Metrics,
had an eighty six point four score. This on top of,

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you know, a season in twenty twenty four where he
was a defensive player the Year finalist at League in sacks.
Right when he was on the field last year, he
was pretty good. The problem is he wasn't on the
field nearly as much, and it got weird with his injury,
and it just like everything with Trey, it just it
feels like there's an element of just weirdness. And that's

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not solely his responsibility. It's not entirely his fault, if
you want to describe it that way, but it just
it got weird, as it often does get weird for
really good players who are dealing with injuries playing for
a team that might not be headed anywhere, and as
it turned out, the Bengals really weren't headed anywhere last season.

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But did he do anything last year the Bengals when
he was coming off a season where he was one
of the top two or three best defensive players in
the entire sport. Last year he was coming off a
season where he was one of the best two or
three defensive players in the entire sport. They had no

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plans for him beyond twenty twenty five. So what was
there out there in twenty twenty five to make anybody
believe that they're going to change their mind about Trey
Hendrickson in twenty twenty six. Add to all of it,
the bad feelings and whatever residual you know, personal issues
are there based on just the way things unf folded,

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how trays of our lives. Stealing that from Paul Danner
Junior kind of became a thing for much of the offseason. Like,
we've been talking about this dude and his dissatisfaction with
the Bengals and his contract and his possible trades and
trade requests for a very long time now. If one
of the things you're wondering about the Bengals this coming

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season is does it make sense to find a way
to run it back with Trey Hendrickson, which nobody who
covers the league or the team feels like is a
distinct possibility. You got to put yourself in the Bengals
shoes and the Bengals perspective tray after twenty twenty five
was not worth investing in after a season where he
spent more than half of it not playing. Why would

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their minds change? Why would their minds change? Five point three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. I think
there's something important that the Bengals need to figure out
a way to do. I was watching I don't know,
maybe maybe it was like in the week between Christmas
and New Year's NFL networks running a bunch of their

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football life shows one hour, you know, basically biodocs on
a whole bunch of different NFL figures, and the one
about Bill Walsh. And that is a great hour, especially
if you're a Bengals fan, because it kind of goes
through how you know, Bill Walsh and the Bengals went
through a divorce when Paul Brown chose to not make
Bill Walsh the head coach. It's really good. But on

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that hour of television, Bill Walsh obviously passed a number
of years ago. But in that hour of television, one
of the former forty nine ers that speaks about Bill
Walsh's Randy Cross, who you know, was their center for
a decade in the nineteen eighties and has gone on
to do you know TV for a bunch of different
networks and some radio and whatever. But he talks about

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how Bill Walsh said to him like, hey, man, I
think you can play another three or four years in
this league, but most of those aren't gonna be for
me because I only want your good years. And the
message was like we're gonna we're gonna sort of get
out in front of things here and in some cases,
maybe even move on from you while you still have
some guess left in the tank. And I think that

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has to be something that Bengals get good at here
moving forward. I've talked about Orlando Brown a lot the
last couple of weeks. Orlando Brown has had a really
good career and I think, for the most part, has
been a pretty good free agent pick up for the Bengals.
I think it would be awesome. I think it would
be awesome if the Bengals were in a position where
they could cut loose Orlando Brown, not because Orlando's a

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bad player, not because he's a bad guy, not because
he's making a lot of money. But there were times
this year where it felt like Orlando struggled. There were
times this year where it felt like he was kind
of the weak link on the offensive line. There were
times this year where you thought, man, you know, maybe
is a time to get a little bit younger, maybe
a little bit more athletic at left tackle on a

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team that's in a different place than where the Bengals are,
which is they have to overhaul one half of the team.
I think it's pretty easy to move on from a
guy like that and say, you know, what. We only
want your good years. We don't want you here when
you inevitably go through the steep drop off that just
comes with the age and the miles and the wear

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and tear of a player of your experience. And so
thanks for everything. Glad you were here. You could still
play in this league, but we don't want to be
the team that you have to drop off with. And
so we're gonna get out in front of this and
we're gonna go throw money at a free agent, or
we're gonna throw money at a free agent, and we're
gonna use a first round pick on a tackle. And

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maybe the Bengals can do those things. Hell maybe they
do do those things, but it feels like, because of
all the different priorities they have on defense and all
the different ways in which they have to make that
side of the football better, that you kind of don't
want to create another need. And so you're willing to
stick with Orlando Brown and hope that he doesn't suffer

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a steep drop off in twenty twenty six. In an
ideal world, which obviously we don't live in, but ideally
you have the kind of team that is a capable
of looking at good players and saying we only want
your good years. We're not going to keep you around
for your drop off seasons, and b you have plans

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in place that are proven to have worked to replace
those players. This is something else we've harped on a
bunch in recent years. The Bengals have been really bad
at replacing players, like really bad at replacing players. Hell
did they replace Sam Hubbard last year? Not really, largely
because Trey Hendrickson was hurt, but even above and beyond that, right, like,

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they had a plan to replace t Higgins, name was
Jermaine Burton. Nope, still haven't figured out a way to
replace Jesse Bates For a decade, We've talked about them
replacing Andrew Whitworth. There are others that's got a change,
and so you know with with Trey Hendrickson, man like here,
ideally this isn't even a discussion because a guy that

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we didn't have plans for because we thought about age
and injury risk and you know, his best years maybe
being behind him. We're ready to move on because the
dudes that we have drafted, Shamar Stewart and Miles Murphy
are they're capable of replacing you now, it's worth mentioning
Miles Murphy in the second half of this past season
was was really really good. Like maybe i'm by myself.

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I don't think I am. I'm bullish on Miles Murphy.
If you watch them in the second half of the season. Yeah,
it took way too long, but when the light bulb
came on, it stayed on. He was really good. But
in the back of your mind, you're still thinking, like,
how are we going to replace that guy? Because they
haven't been that good at replacing players like that, and
they're not yet as an organization to the point where

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you can look at players who still have some gas
in the tank and say to him, we're gonna find
cheaper replacements, younger replacements who are maybe still ascending, because
we don't want you here for your down years. Bengals
did that with Trey Hendrickson, yet you still wonder are
they going to be able to replace him? And they're
not going to do that with Orlando Brown. By the way,

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speaking of Andrew Whitworth, and I've tried to do this
now for nearly ten years because it was what March
of twenty seventeen we found out that Andrew Whitworth was
moving on, so nearly nine years the Bengals made a
pretty good bet. Sometimes you play the odds and you lose, right,
I mean, sometimes you bet on the favorite and you lose.

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Sometimes you bet on the favorite and the underdog covers
on the money line. But the odds were that Andrew
Whitworth was not going to be able to maintain his
level of play into the second half of his thirties,
and he defied the odds. And that's It's why he's
going to be in Canton. It's why is the Super
Bowl champion, It's why he's going to be a Hall
of Fame. That's why we spent years talking about him.

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But number one, it was the inability to replace him,
which they unfurled that plan two years before they let
him go. But at the end of the day, like
I think, you organizationally have to get to a point
where you're really good at looking at players like that
going you know what, we've gotten as much out of
you as we want, and we're going to get out
in front of things and we're not going to keep

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you around for the years where you have a drop off.
Imagine had they had done that with Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap,
maybe even AJ Green, because that was their mo for
a while, refusing to say goodbye to players even though
they were going to be re upping for years moving
forward that weren't quite as good as the ones in
the past. So that's where they've got to be. And

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to me, like that's where I start with Trey Hendrickson.
They have viewed him as somebody who is going to
depreciate even further past twenty twenty five. I don't know
that their mind should have changed during twenty twenty five,
but they're really going to figure out a way to
successfully replace him. The answers moving forward have to be yes,

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and if they are, they're gonna have to be more
and more comfortable with looking at players and saying we
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that I knew he was married. I don't know that
I would have a compelling reason to follow her on Instagram,
but if you do, that's cool. Whatever, to each their own.
I'm not sure there's a compelling reason to follow me
on Instagram, but many people do, and that's cool. Thank you,
thank you if you're among them. So I guess she
posted a photo of herself and Dalton in their new
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know they got themselves a home, that's terrific. I've been
to Kansas City. I've not lived in Kansas City. Dalton
Reisner is a native of Missouri. He was born in Branson.
I think he went to high school though in Colorado.
I could look that up, I suppose, if only there

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was a device where I could look up where Dalton
Reisner's from. But I know he's a native of Missouri,
and I know he played at Kansas State, so like
that part of the country. I don't know where his
wife is from. Again, I found out Dalton Reisner had
a wife about five hours ago. But I guess she
posted a photo and some some not all, not most
in the Bengals social media sphere, or wondering if that's

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a sign that Dalton is not going to come back
and play for the Bengals. By the way, there's lots
of Bengals players who have houses elsewhere, so I don't
know that it's worth reading into congratulations to the risings
on the new home. It is January the thirtieth Bengals
last played a game it'll be what four weeks ago

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on Sunday, the meat of the offseason, the heart of
the offseason. We're not there yet, right, We're still still
got to play the Super Bowl next weekend. Got the
Pro Bowl games next week. By the way, Joe Flacco
named an AFC Pro Bowler, So and the Browns had
two Pro Bowl quarterbacks and the same team. Wow. Amazing.

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But the new league year doesn't start for another four
or five weeks. The legal tampering period is still a
long time from now. The combines a few weeks away,
so there's still time. But maybe the thing that stood
out most to me when players were offering their parting
shots at the end of the year was when Dalton
Reisner talked about his goal being to not sign a

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contract as late as he has in the past, including
last year with the Bengals, when he signed like Camp
was already underway, signed in August and ended up being
a terrific signing. Like Duke Tobin should take credit more
for Dalton Reisner than Joe Flacco. Dalt Reisner was their
best free agent signing, and I don't know how objectively
anybody could disagree with that. And the Bengals at the

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end of the season had a good offensive line and
he was a reason why. And look, he didn't play
at an all Pro level or anything like that, but
his level of play at guard was good, was better
than pretty much anything they've gotten at any point recently.
So a good signing. So you got a guy who says, look,
I don't want to wait till August this go around.
Love it here, want to play here. Somebody tell Duke

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Tobin I'm paraphrasing him here. It's one of the great
layups ever, especially for this franchise, which has often been
associated with players who have done whatever they can to
not play for this team. You can sign him on
January the thirtieth, and the impact on the season maybe

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this as if you sign him on May the thirtieth.
But what's something the Bengals always do. They take the
easy and they make it more complicated than they need to.
And so until Dalton Reisner has signed, how do you
not wonder how are they going to screw this up?
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That game will tip at seven pm. Norris won the
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who's twenty and one this season. That game tips off
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this evening as the Flyers look to avoid a four

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game losing streak. Tomorrow, Cincinnati is on the road against Houston.
We know what happened in the first matchup between those
two teams, you see, and the Cougars were tied at
sixty with about three and a half minutes to go,
and Houston scored seven more points. The Bearcats scored none.
I talked about the Cougars a lot on this show,
and I've heard this refrain often over the last year

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or two from Bearcat fans, and I agree with it, certainly.
Not gonna say I was the first person to say this,
but the UC teams that so many of us either
grew up with, or the UC teams that solidified our fandom,
or maybe just our favorite teams, teams that we revere.

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You know, there was an identity, There was a toughness
to them. They were great defensively, they played harder than
their opponents. They looked a lot like what has been
over the last seven or eight years, Kelvin Samson's version
of the Houston Cougars, and many have said with the
Cougars have stolen their brand, and it's true. Like so

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there's a part I look at them with envy, a
lot of envy, but I look at them I'm with
a degree of admiration because that is the brand of
basketball that they play often have played over the last
seven or eight years, that so many of us identify
with Cincinnati basketball. You know, I heard somebody say this

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once in the late nineties, early two thousands in talking
about UCE hoops, and I get tired as much as
anybody of just constantly playing remember when when it comes
to UC basketball. But I remember, and I don't remember
who did this, but I heard it on a show
and they said, you know, if you close your eyes,

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you kind of have in your eyes, eye's mind, in
your mind's eye a vision of what a Cincinnati basketball
player looks like. And I think that carried forth for
the most part, once Mick got the Bearcats to the
point that they were in the NCAA Tournament every year,
I think you had this vision in your mind of
what a UC basketball player looked like. I think we

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can do that with Houston. Now, we don't watch the
Cougars as closely maybe as we do the Bearcats. But
like I watched the Kougs, called the Kougs. I watched
their game against TCU on Wednesday, a game that they
were in pretty much complete control of, although they never
really totally pulled away, but it just it looked and

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felt like your quintessential Houston victory. And if you get
tired of me talking about this, like I get it,
but it's true, Like they every time it felt like
somebody needed to make a play, somebody made a play
and and you just in your mind's eye like there's
they're good. Fundamentally, they're tough, they're all good rebounders, they

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make the right pass like it's it's cliches. A lot
of this stuff sounds. I don't think that this year's
Houston team is athletic enough to win the national title.
They came painfully close last year. Obviously, I think this
team is a half rung beneath you know, Arizona and Yukon. Now,
if I was a Koogs fan, i'd feel like my

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team has a chance to get back to a Sweet sixteen,
maybe get back to a Final four. But I talk
about this often, and it's true. In a day and
age where it has never been more difficult to carve
out and keep a program identity, they've managed to do so.

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And if you're a college basketball fan on some level,
I don't know how you don't admire that, And I
don't know how you're not extraordinarily jealous of it, and
I am. That game is at noon tomorrow one o'clock tomorrow,
Xavier takes on to Paul at the Cintas Center. XU
lost the first game eighty six to seventy seven. Musketeers
badly need a win if the idea is for the

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season to not totally unravel, because the next two after
this one are on the road against Yukon and Saint John's.
Louisville hosts SMU Ohio State, which I think as a
sneaky talented team, takes on Wisconsin tomorrow. Miami looks for
a twenty second consecutive victory to open up the season.

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Ron Harper is going to be on campus tomorrow, which
is cool as hell. Five time NBA champion Northern Illinois
the opponent. Three point thirty Tomorrow, Indiana's at UCLA. Kentucky
battles Arkansas in the latest John Caliperry Bowl. That game
in Fayetteville will tip off at six point thirty on
ESPN fifteen thirty. What else do we have here locally? Hockey?

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This weekend, Cyclones are going to be busy. Its Bank
Giveaway night as the Clones host Fort Wayne tonight, and
then tomorrow Star Wars matinee is Cincinnati host Bloomington, and
then on Sunday the Mascot Birthday matinee against Toledo. So
I got some daytime puck Saturday and Sunday after a
night game tonight. And speaking of hockey, the Redhawk Columbus

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Blue Jackets, who have won seven of eight, are on
the road tonight against the Chicago Blackhawks. That is the
only game on tonight's NHL schedule. You are, I believe
up to date. I don't think we. I don't think
we left anything out. There's one other development here. I
saw it has been confirmed. I guess that Lou Holtz

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has entered hospice care and a hugely significant figure in
college football. You know, you think of the high point
in my lifetime. I'm forty eight. The high point of
Notre Dame football was the nineteen eighty eight Notre Dame
fighting Irish. I am not a Notre Dame fan by

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any stretch of the imagination. When I was growing up,
I didn't really have a favorite college football team. I've
told this story before. I did become a UC football
fan until I went to a basketball camp when I
was in high school and I was a huge Ucy
basketball fan, huge Ucy basketball fan, and like, one of
the counselors said, well, who's your favorite college football team?

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And I just like blurted out Cincinnati. And then one
of the other kids is like, you know Cincinnati sucks, right,
I'm like, oh, do they? Like a couple of years
ago they lost eighty one nothing to Penn State. But like,
I'd watch college football with my dad, and my dad,
for whatever reason, he rooted against the Notre Dame. It
don't get mad at him. He's been passed for seventeen years,

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and so he like his favorite team was whoever played
Notre Dame, and so it sort of a needle him
a little bit. Like I became a UC fan to
mess with him because he was a Kentucky fan. I
would at times just root for Notre Dame, even though
I wouldn't say they were my favorite team because it
would just annoy my dad. You know, it's a big
deal in the early nineties when they got their own
deal on NBC. But the first year that I remember

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being into college football was when Notre Dame won the
national championship in the old bowl system. Beat Major Harris
in West Virginia. I think in the Fiesta Ball it
could be wrong about the Bowl game, but won the
national title and Lou Holtz was the coach, and I
just I have fond memories of watching those games with

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my dad. And I did not grow up to become
a Notre Dame fan, but that was this as a kid.
You know, Bobby Bowden was at Florida State, Jene Stallings
was at Alabama, and Notre Dame had Lou Holtz who
just despite his slight frame, seemed like bigger than all

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of them, just as a kid. And I don't know
if in my lifetime I was in high school in
nineteen ninety three, in my lifetime now, we obviously get
a lot of big time college football games in this
day and age, and the ways that we hype up
things now are different than we did back then. I

(30:45):
don't know if in my lifetime that there has ever
been more hype for a college football game than Notre
Dame in Florida State in nineteen ninety three, with Charlie
Ward playing future New York Nick Charlie Word playing for
Florida State, the game of the century, which Notre Dame
won and then lost the following week to Boston College.

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Remember watching that game with my dad, and so it
made me sad to see that I don't know a
ton about Lou Holtz in his post broadcasting career. I don't,
frankly care. I didn't really find Lou Holtz as a
broadcaster all that entertaining or interesting. That's neither here nor there.
This was a hugely significant figure. And you know, then

(31:30):
as you get older and you kind of understand the
significance of Notre Dame football to the sport, to this
part of the country, and you understand the depths to
which that program had sunk, unfortunately under Jerry Faust. And
I mean there was a stretch from eighty eight when
Notre Dame won the title. By the way, they lost
one game in eighty nine, the regular season finale to Miami.

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From eighty eight through ninety three, they went sixty four
to nine and one. And in the middle of all
that they got the NBC deal, so they were on TV.
Would felt like live every single week. I remember that
just being such a big deal, just as a as
a like an early teenager like the Notre Dame's got
their own television contract, and I just I remember that

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stretch of time in my life, just learning as a
sports fan fondly and watching Notre Dame with my dad
and watching him root against him. I don't know, and
I don't never really got to why he hated Notre Dame.
I don't know, but I never I don't know that
he rooted for anybody as hard as he rooted for

(32:35):
whoever noted, I don't. I don't know that he liked
Lou Holtz. I don't know what it was, but I
would just agitate him and root for the Irish and
then you know, became a Bearcat fan, and it's like, yeah,
in the mid nineties, it's like those two entities were
on a playing entirely different sports. So I was sad
to see that Lou Holtz has entered hospice, somebody that

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we have made fun of on this show for how
he spoke on television, but still hugely important figure. And
so was sad to see that he's nearing the end
stage of life because he's a big figure in college football,
an immensely huge figure at Notre Dame, and just for
me in my years growing up becoming a sports fan.

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My introduction to college football was watching Notre Dame because
my dad was rooting against him, and so Lou Holtz
was on my TV. It felt like every single week
from the time I was in the sixth grade clear
through my high school years. So our thoughts and our
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the Hall of Fame thing really quick. We'll grab some
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fifteen thirty. So the Bill Belichick Hall of Fame snub,
if you will, has been I think the biggest story
in sports this week where the voters apparently who had
to say as to whether or not Bill Belichick is
gonna get in to not put Belichick in the Hall

(37:02):
of Fame, despite the fact he is the most accomplished
head coaching resume of all time. Two people have come
out who didn't vote for him and explained why, and
I don't necessarily agree with what they did, but I
understand the explanation, and look, as a fan of Ken Anderson,
I could appreciate anybody who says I want Ken Anderson

(37:23):
to be in the Hall of Fame, and if he
gets in at the expense of Bill Belichick for a year,
then so be it. Unfortunately, and this is no knock
on Ken, who I desperately hopes hope get in, who
I desperately hope gets in. Easy for me to say,
I just think Belichick's resume is so good, so beyond reproach,
even with spygate. I don't know how you say no,

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but my take on this has been that I believe
we've made Halls of Fame out to be more important
than they actually are, and if you make them out
to be less important, you don't emphasize them enough. Bill
Belichick's resume is awesome. It's awesome. With or without Hall
of Fame. You cannot talk about this sport's history. You

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can't talk about the NFL in the twenty first century
without recognizing what Bill Belichick coach teams accomplished. By the way. Similarly,
you also can't talk about Bill Belichick's coaching career without
mentioning Spygate. I would talk about it without mentioning deflate
gate because that was a nothing burger. But you can't
help but mention spygate. Dude got fined to half a

(38:28):
million bucks. It caused the Patriots a draft pick, like
it was a thing. But my overall take, I have
felt this way for a while that if you listen
to people talk about the let's make it about football
and baseball, because we have a Major League Baseball team
here and an NFL team here. If you hear people
talk about those two institutions, they make them sound like

(38:51):
these mythical places that they're not. And I've been to
both many, many many years ago. I would go again.
If somebody's like, hey, road trip up to Canda, go
check out the Hall of Fame, I'd say, cool, let's
go like. Nothing against those buildings, nothing against those institutions,

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nothing against the people who run them, nothing against Hall
of Fame inductions, Hall of Fame induction ceremonies. For me,
I watch every year in the three sports I care
about most, I love Hall of Fame induction speeches. Hall
of Fame induction speech where you have somebody at the
pinnacle of their profession who usually speak with such great humility.

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They tell stories about the people who help them get there.
They're usually filled with such gratitude, which people in this
day and age rarely express to the degree they should.
Hall of Fame induction speeches are awesome. But I just
feel like one of the reasons why we get so
worked up about who does and doesn't get in is

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we've made those institutions, those museums, to be bigger and
more important than they are. We've made them out to
be these institutions that validate someone's career. Bill Belichick's career
doesn't need validating, Neither do most all time greats. By

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the way, Bob Huggins is not in the University of
Cincinnati's Athletics Hall of Fame. Bob Huggins now were there
things that occurred during Bob's sixteen year run at UC
that weren't great? Of course? Did it end in maybe
one of the ugliest public divorces in the history of

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Cincinnati sports? Not even maybe? Yes? Was that dude's body
of work incredible? Can you tell the story of U
SEE Athletics without spending considerable time on Bob Huggins and
his teams and what they accomplished and the amount of
people they turned into UC fans myself included. That guy's
not in the Hall of Fame, James P. Kelly Athletics

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Hall of Fame, you see, is extraordinarily cool. I'm honored
to know and work with some Hall of Fame inductees,
extraordinarily proud. Tony Pike, Dan Horde, Jim Kelly, a lot
of former basketball and football players that I've watched, some
of whom I've gotten to know. But I don't need
UC's Hall of Fame to tell me how great Bob

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Huggins was, how impactful he was at that school, how
much he meant to that basketball program, how much he
meant to sports in this area. I don't need it.
If he gets in, awesome, I'll be thrilled for him,
as I was thrilled when he got inducted into the
National Basketball Hall of Fame. But think about that, one

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of the two or three people who has most identified
or who the school's athletic department is most identified with,
is in the National Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not
in UC's. Maybe there's good reasons for that. I don't know.
I wrote about it once for Bearcat Journal dot com.
Some folks that you see who are no longer there
got mad at me. Okay, fine, maybe he's in one day,

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maybe he's not. I would put him in. I don't
need UC's Athletics Hall of Fame, as cool as it is,
to validate Bob Huggins and tell me what he did
and didn't do. Joey Vado should be in Cooper soown.
As far as I'm concerned, I understand the case is
maybe not as open and shut as I would like
for it to be. If he doesn't get in, and

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I think he will, might not get in the first ballot,
I don't need a bunch of baseball writers to validate
Joey Vado's career. By the way, neither does Joey Vado himself,
So I didn't say we shouldn't have them, would never
say that we should have them. They're fun there. They
usually appropriately celebrate the inductees and the sports that they're

(42:54):
the Hall of Fame of. But you listen to people
get worked up, like in this day and age, we're
addicted to outrage and anger, and so you know, you
and I both know there are folks, especially on the Internet, who,
like every waking moment, is looking for something to be
angry about. And the Bill Belichick snub earlier this week

(43:16):
gave those people their hit, Like, Okay, cool, I need
something to be angry about this. I can be angry
about this for five minutes and then I'll move on
to something else. Like I understand how that works too,
But I believe if we lessen the importance of these
Halls of Fame, we won't get as angry. I think
a lot of us as sports fans, are looking for

(43:37):
these voters to, like, you know, give a stamp of
approval to athletes that we love. I thought it was
awesome when Barry Larkin got into Cooperstown, my all time
favorite baseball player, badly wanted to go, badly wanted to
go to that induction ceremony, remember carving out time for
the induction in twenty twelve. But when he didn't get in,

(43:59):
I didn't feel any less about Barry Larkin. When he
did get in, I didn't feel any better about what
I watched for eighteen years and how I wore number
eleven because he did. And I almost feel like we
have folks who are looking for the Hall of Fame's validation,
Like I don't know, man, I kind of believe in life,
don't look for someone else's validation. You don't need it.

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Bill Belichick does not need the Hall of Fame's validation,
Barry Bonds doesn't need the Hall of Fame's validation, and
know neither does Pete Rose.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
No one's saying don't have Halls of Fame. Hall of
Fame discussions can be some of the most fun and
lively you can have. I wish they were done sometimes
with a little bit more civility. I wish they were
done at times with folks speaking with more information behind
their argument. But those are some who which sports fan
hasn't done that sat with their buddies over a cold

(44:57):
one debating the Hall of Fame merits of people. My
best friends and I we've done that. Man. I have
a very good friend of mine. He and I were
talking about Cecil Cooper's Hall of Fame bonafides two weeks
ago over dinner. Like, I enjoy those discussions, but I
just think the the the institutions themselves, we have made
out to be bigger and more important than they actually are.

(45:21):
They're museums. They're they're they're they're they're nice museums. There
are museums that are fun to visit. They're museums. There's
no reason to make those museums mythical or sacred. And
like I and maybe a different type of sports fan
that I view a lot of things as not sacred

(45:42):
that a lot of people do view as sacred. Right, Like,
whenever there's some sort of you know, massive change in
a sport rule change, it's you know, it's treated as
it's you know. I remember when the National League had
to adopt the d H a number of years ago.
I mean, there were folks who thought, like they would
make you believe a pitcher getting to hit was like

(46:03):
some sacred thing, and I'm like, it's a game with
a rule change, a nothing sacred about watching a pitcher
strike out. Nothing sacred about any of this stuff, nothing
sacred about a Hall of fame, so less than the
importance to some of this stuff. And I think as
a sports fan, you'll be a lot happier. And at

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the end of the day, isn't that what we all want,
just to be happier. I think the answer is yes.
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One would argue successfully that I have babbled long enough,
so we're going to talk to other people. Five one three,
fifteen thirty is our fun?

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
What do we have here? Joe? You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Joe,
go ahead, good afternoon. How are you? I'm doing a lot.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Never been better in my life, Joe, what's up?

Speaker 7 (48:03):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (48:04):
I think the Hall of Fame would mean more if
if your peers voted for you instead of sports writers.
I don't think sports writers know enough about the sport to,
you know, to have a vote. I think they should
all get rid of their votes somehow.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I don't know. I think they know a lot about
the sport. Now, you know, when it comes to the
Baseball Hall of Fame, when you when you get to
some of the various committees. There are former players and
Hall of famers who are often on those committees, and
so they do have a say, I don't I don't
know that the results, the overall results of Hall of
Fame voting would be that much different if we had

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players or former players voting versus writers.

Speaker 8 (48:51):
You don't see, I do I think that.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
No.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
I think they're way more knowledgeable about the intricacies of
the sports, what it takes to get to those as
oppose those people like you and I or sports writers.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Of Yeah, I don't think there's any denying that. But
I think when it comes to like looking at one
player's resume versus other contemporaries or other players, let's say
it's baseball. Let's say it's you know, you're looking at
a at a third basement. All right, well, let's let's

(49:23):
let's look at his resume versus other third basement in
the Hall of Fame, versus other third basement that he
played against. Let's let's consider some of the contextual factors
involved here, like you know, how how much he actually
helped his team win. Maybe look at some of the
mitigating factors that he may have had to overcome. I
think for the most part, I think, for the most part,

(49:46):
the writers do a good job. Now, I think there
are some rules that even they would push back at
when it comes to Hall of Fame voting that limit
the number of people you could check off. I think
the Pro Football Hall of Fame's ballot it has Ken
Anderson against Bill Belichick. It's silly to do that. I
don't know that the writers necessarily do a bad job,

(50:08):
and I don't know that you would get dramatically different
results if we had athletes. You will still have personal biases,
You might even have some grudges based on competing with
one athlete head to head. I certainly wouldn't be opposed
to expanding the voter base, but I don't know why
it has to be either or why can't it be

(50:29):
you know, let's again, let's say in baseball, why wouldn't
a guy like Bob Costas have a vote? Why wouldn't
a guy like the late Joe Morgan when he was
still commentating on games, Why why wouldn't he have the
same vote that a baseball writer does before it went
to a veterans committee or something like that.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Okay, thanks for checking my call.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Appreciate it, Joe anytime. Thank you for listening, Thanks for
checking in. Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. Matthew,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Yeah, why don't we just let the fans vote for
the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 (51:04):
Then we could get Shador Sanders.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
In the Hall of Fame too one day.

Speaker 9 (51:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm angry at, though,
I'm angry at all the people. I'm angry at all
the people that are angry that Belichick didn't get in
first ballot because the reason he's not getting in correct
me if I'm wrong, is he affected negatively the integrity
of the game by spy game, he cheated, and you know,

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arguably the best coach all time. But I don't hear
any of these talking heads coming up to bat. You know,
pun intended for Pete Rose getting in the Hall of
Fame posthumiously. I mean, yes, he infected the tag, he
affected the integrity of baseball by gambling on it, but
he says that he didn't affect the outcome of the games.

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So I don't know if that was ever proven or not.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 9 (51:56):
So it is something that yes, he gambled on the game,
but Dave affect the outcome of the game like Spygate
affected the Greatest Show on Turf ending by recording their practices.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
I don't understand why everybody up in arms over Bill
Belichick not getting in first ballot. He's gonna get in,
But it just seems kind of contradictory and a little
hypocritical in my you know, high I'm hyperbolic like everybody
else these days. I get mad at the drop of
the hat. You know, I have to wait, I have

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to wait on Bold to get on the air with you.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
It makes me mad.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
So you know, it's one of those things.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
So I think, let me let so a couple of
things here are. Here are some differences. First of all,
it's it would be inaccurate to say that nobody's up
in arms about Pete Rose not being in the Hall
of Fame. I think you and I both know there's
a lot of people up in arms about people in
the Hall of Fame, built built. Bill Belichick is eligible

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to be voted on. Pete Rose has never been eligible
to be voted on. Now that's gonna change next year,
I think, in a year and a half in the
winner of twenty seven to twenty eight. But to this point,
like Bill Belichick was at least put on a ballot,
Pete Rose has never been put on a ballot. It's
a very fair discussion as to whether or not had
he ever been on a writer's ballot he would have

(53:18):
gotten the seventy five percent of votes. My guess is
he would not have. But at least the voters have
had a crack at Bill Belichick. With Pete Rose, they've
had no crack at him. Baseball does have a character clause.
In my opinion, Baseball should not have a Baseball's Hall
of Fame should not have a character clause. And the
thinking for me is baseball writers are good at telling

(53:40):
us who the best baseball players are. They're not good
at telling us who the best people are. Football has
no character clause. Now, you also said something like I
don't love painting with a broad brush. There have been
there have been two writers that I have seen that
have explained why they didn't vote for Belichick, and their
rationale was not so much Spygate, although they considered it

(54:03):
it was. There are people like else Greenwood, Ken Anderson,
and Roger Craig on the ballot who have been waiting forever.
You know, we're talking about players who have been out
of the game for decades, decades. And the explanation was,
and this does have merit, but the explanation was, these
three men have been waiting forever. This is Bill Belichick's

(54:26):
first crack at it. I want to ensure that these
three guys get in, and then Belichick will get in
next year. I don't necessarily know that that would be
my approach. I frankly don't think that those three guys
should be on the same ballot as Bill Belichick. But
I think when you're talking about as many as or
as few as eleven people not voting for Belichick, chances

(54:46):
are there was someone who said Spygate did it for me.
It would be unsurprising if there's someone who said Bill
Belichick was a jerk to me at a press conference.
It would be unsurprising if someone said, I just don't
think there should be anybody on the first We haven't
had a first ballot coach in a very long time.
I'm not putting a coach on my ballot when it's
his first crack at it. I don't know that there's

(55:08):
any one reason, but are there some voters potentially who
said I'm gonna hold the spygate thing against him. Sure?
What I wish is there would be a level of
transparency that told us why each who each person voted for,
and then you know, if pressed, they can give us
an explanation as to why.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Let me just say this before I get off.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
My personal belief is the writers that didn't vote for
him are haters because they're jealous of him Dayton, that
beautiful woman, Jordan Hudson.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
So I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Let me tell you, Matthew, thank you for the phone call.
Have a great weekend. If jealousy was a guiding force
behind someone's Hall of Fame ballot, nobody would ever get
into the Hall of Fame. Look, man, I understand the
explanation that some of the writers have offered, which is

(56:05):
I wanted to vote in Anderson and Roger Craig and
Else Greenwood, all three I believe should have been in
the Hall of Fame a long time ago. Ken Anderson
obviously around here we all love and want him to
get in. I think it's ridiculous I was actually surprised
when I saw that Roger Craig wasn't in the Hall
of Fame a few years ago, because I assumed he was,
like you talk about, like one of the dominant players
of his era, and maybe the shelf life wasn't as long,

(56:29):
but holy Crappy was good. I just think like Belichick's
resume as such that you don't look at him and
say no, even if you're doing something relatively noble to
say yes to three people who have waited too long.
But like again, it's you're not as angry about it
if you lessen like the Pete Rose thing. I don't

(56:51):
know if Pete Rose is going to get to Cooperstown
when it's finally his era's turned to be up for induction.
I don't know that he's gonna get enough votes because
you can't find you can barely find enough people to
agree that it's cold outside. You talk about, like the
most polarizing topic in sports in decades has been on

(57:15):
Pete Rose, his Hall of Fame eligibility, his Hall of
Fame candidacy, his Hall of Fame worthiness. So we're gonna
get enough people to say yes to him? I am
very skeptical that that's gonna be the case. How I
look at it is like the forty two, one hundred
and fifty six hits happened, the twenty three big league
seasons happened. Being the face of a generationally great team

(57:40):
in the seventies happened. Being the athlete of the nineteen
seventies happened. Batting titles happened, World Series MVP, Regular Season MVP.
Those things happened. The records happened. As a fan, I
don't need a bunch of Cooperstown voters to validate what happened.

(58:06):
How I feel about Pete Rose, the player is not
going to change based on whether or not he's voted
into a museum where he gets a plaque that's probably
not even gonna look like him in a museum hall
that most of us are never going to walk into. Yes,
we should have halls of fame, of course we should,

(58:29):
but they're not these sacred, mythical places that we make
them out to be. That's it. He's speaking of Joey Vado,
future Hall of Famer. He's now a future NBC broadcaster,
or he's at least close to being one. And I
think that's interesting. See if you do as well. Plus,

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host the Dayton Flyers. Tomorrow's Cincinnati's at Houston at noon,
Xavier host of Paul at one, Ohio States at Wisconsin.
Miami will host Northern Illinois at three thirty Derek Harper's
and we're still working on perhaps a Derek Harper interview,
which not Derek Ron Harper I had nix on the brain.
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Apologies to Wally's Rbiak, who's number two. Working on Ron Harper.
Perhaps one day next week we'll see Miami in Northern
Illinois tomorrow at three thirty. I use that UCLA, Kentucky
is on the road against Arkansas. Tip off at six thirty,
pregame at five on ESPN fifteen thirty. Yes, I made
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I won't, I won't do that if we get him on.
What else do we have? The Cincinnati Cyclones play hockey
tonight at home on Bank Giveaway Night. Banks look cool
taking on Fort Wayne Puck drops seven point thirty Mattne's
Tomorrow and Sunday. Blue Jackets skate on the road tonight.

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Jackets are playing well one seven of eight on the
road tonight against the Chicago Blackhawks. Joey Vado is reportedly
pretty close to signing with NBC to be a part
of their Major League Baseball broadcasts. I think that will
be awesome. There was a side of Joey Vado's personality
that he exhibited over his last five six years that

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we didn't see the first ten twelve or so, including
some time in the booth doing some TV when he
was injured toward the end of his time here. And
I think he's going to be terrific. You're talking about
somebody who's deeply analytical, very honest, it's got a good
sense of humor, and you sort of gather we'll take

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his craft seriously, you know, is he going to be
as bigger than life as some broadcasters feel they need
to be, and as many do need to be. We'll see,
but I think we'll actually be excellent. We'll see, we'll see.
Hopefully the deal gets done. Uh, Mike waiting patiently. You're

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on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, Good afternoon. How are you? Mike,
good afternoon? How are you well? I hope he's okay.
Mike good at one more shot at it? Mike, good afternoon,
how are you.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
I'm good? Wrong button, I hit the button. Sorry, well,
never hit the wrong button. Well, I just had chemo orlayers.
I kind of wigged. But anyway, thanks for taking my call, tearing.
You're a gentleman as well.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Hey, by the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
Way, when you went to Oxford the other night, did
you happen to drive down? I guess it's Main Street
and there was used to be an infamous bar there
called the Boar's Head. Did you happen to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
Buy that place?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I did not know.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
I did not, Okay, yeah, famous place. I don't know
if it's still there. I remember. Do you remember a
group from Cincinnati called the Women Pipers that did a
song called My Green Tambourine. I can't say that I
do yeah, famous song it was, you know, on the
charts and all that stuff. Yeah, it was a local
group from Adahaide Park. Yeah, the Goshlyn Brothers, very famous.

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You were talking about uh oh something and uh, I
remember an impression on you. Well, no, it's just my
memory is not that good, moll right now, it's trying
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
But I understand.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
I remember. I remember years ago, uh, when I was
back for a while to sin and I would go
down to the syndicate there in Newport. I don't know
if it's still there. It might be right across from
the tea spell. And I used to see Hugs come
out of there quite a bit at night, feeling his oats,
shall we say, And he was right as a gentleman.

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But Hugs was Hugs like the party a little bit,
that's for sure. There was no question a Hug like
the party.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There is no denying that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
But so what, I don't care, so so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So do we?

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
So I ain't can anybody?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yes, I tell you, let me tell you something, Mike,
if if, if, if you see me walking out of
an establishment about twelve thirty this evening, you'll be able
to say the same thing about.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
Me exactly Yeah, I love your humility. It's good. Bo.
I heard jim I hate I'm done with this Belichick thing.
But I did hear Jimmy Johnson say that his teams
used to try to do the deplay thing and that
it was happening around the league. Those guys got caught. Whatever,
Who cares, I'll move on. How about uh, how today

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was really funny at the Australian Open. Not that well,
there are tennis fans in Cincinnati. I know there are
a lot of them. Yeah, and yes, today we had
today we had listen to it for a byeline. Today
we had the Center versus the Joker.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Oh how about that? Did you? Were you up in
the middle of the night watching Jokovic versus Cinner.

Speaker 7 (01:05:49):
You're damn right.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
I was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
That was and very Roker pulled it out. Yeah, I was, man,
it was. I couldn't sleep. I was uncomfortable. It was
Oh the jokers just because he's not a kidnapped brother
and and centers the deal. But I thought it was cool.
They McEnroe said, it's the Center versus the versus the Joker.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna get We're gonna get the
Joker versus Alcaaz, right, yep, ye, Well, yeah, he's very
he's very very young, but he's a he's a great player, right,
so he's yeah, that's gonna be a great final. So
you watched all five? What time did that wrap up?
What time did that end?

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
Boy? It was after four o'clock in the morning. I
know that. Yeah, I know it was after four and
it might have been later. Sun might have been coming up.
I never know. See.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, Okay, I go ahead, Like what else is on
your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
I hurt. Well, I got a bunch of stuff, So
I'm trying to fly through there, just as what's so there?
The Super Bowl does sell so many tickets and revenue
and stuff. But this guy heard today talking about the
World Cup. They're gonna sell a billion tickets worldwide for
the World Cup. A billion tickets. That's Super Bowls to

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the various World Cup events, soccer events.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Mathematically, how's that going to work? They're playing in football
stadiums in North America. There aren't enough games for the
for the attendance to equal a billion.

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
Well, I don't know. I didn't hear the details, but
his point was that the revenue from the wall how
many people.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I mean there might be a there might be a Yeah.
I mean it's a worldwide event, like I but like revenue.
I mean, first of all, forget a billion. Yes, the
World Cup is more than one game. It's played at
what twelve or thirteen different venues in North America. If
it didn't dwarf the Super Bowl, I would say that

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that was a major upset. But I don't know that
a billion people are going to attend soccer games in
North America. I don't know off the top of my
head how many World Cup games there will be. But
if you took that number and multiplied it by the capacity,
the average capacity of all the venues, you're not going
to get a billion people.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
Yeah. Well, my problem is I know zero about soccer.
I just heard the guy say it, and then they
talked about it for a while, and I thought, well,
I know he's not, you know, making this stuff up.
I just I just thought I'd run to buy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I think it'll be I think it'd be cool
to have that. I think it'll be cool to have
that event on North American soil. And I'll just say
that I hope everybody who attends has a really good time.

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
I do too, I want to get to the Billickins
in just a second. But before that, I told Tony
and them Today I don't know if you heard it.
So the other morning somehow that Today O was on.
I don't watch you know, I flipped it on once
a while and John they were gonna have John coug
Mellencamp coming on their show soon to his upcoming tour

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or whatever. And he's on a treadmill, though, Mellencamp's on
a treadmill smoking smoke.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
He was he was smoking a cigarette while he was
on a treadmill.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
Oh yeah, and as nonchalant about it as you could imagine.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
And he was.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
They were talking to him with a little interview, and
he was he had his cigarette. This guy I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Like, I like, I missed that. I liked. I like
to watch it Today show. I like Savannah Guthrie.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
Yeah, she just got over some big, big throat deal.
She had to have surgery to get her voice larynx
prepaired or whatever. Yeah, she's a sweetheart. She's a lawyer,
you know, she's an attorney. Yes, the Saint Louis Billickins.
What a wonderful story. And you know what, it takes
me back to and I know you don't like it
when we go back in the old days because you're

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forty four and you're old, but you're still young.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
But in the ocean, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
In the old.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Missouri Valley Conference, it was Ucy, Louisville Ulsa, the Golden Hurricane,
the Wichita State wheat Chokers, the Saint Louis Bullikans, the
Drake Bulldogs with McCoy McLamore, who for some reason sticks
out in my mind, but nobody knows the nickname. I've

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asked twenty five people today if they knew the mascot
of the of Saint Louis and they said no. And
I bet most people hang.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
On the second. So wait, wait, hang on a second here.
So have you really talked to twenty five people today?

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Yeah? At a hospital. I talked to fifty people today
at a hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
There's only people walking around, like six all right, So okay,
So folks are walking by and you go, hey, excuse me,
let me ask you a question. They go, yeah, what's up?
You go, what is the name of the man Scott
of Saint Louis University. That's that's the conversation starter.

Speaker 7 (01:11:03):
I go, yeah, I was getting a CT scan today
and I asked a couple of the people getting ready
to do my CT scan, I said, you like basketball?
I said yeah, I said, you ever heard of the
team from Saint Louis College bascall, Do you know the nickname?

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Of course they were all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Cincinnati. They don't know the name of the Pulicans.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
Oh no, I'm not here in Cincinnati anymore. I'm back
out in California. Oh God, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
So sometimes sometimes so when I when I you know,
when I was in my my, my, my ultimate years
of fandom with U see basketball in the nineties, you
see in the Billickins had some great games. Ninety five
great Midwest Conference Tournament title game, the first conference tournament
I ever traveled to. I was a senior in high school.
You see played Saint Louis in the title game. Lazelle Durton,

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the gun Slinger, my favorite all time. You see nickname
the gun Slinger. Lazelle Durden makes a shot with two
point one seconds to go. Saint Louis had a kid
named Irwin Claggett, very good guard. Irwin catches a pass
at about the free throw line and unfurls a mid
court jumper, a heave more than a jumper, and it

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hits the front of the rim, it almost goes in.
So if you're a Bearcat fan, like as I am,
the Saint Louis Billickins hold a very soft spot in
your heart because you see, in Saint Louis played in
a lot of really fun games. They had back in
the day, guys like Scott Himark and h Waldman and
then later on Larry Hughes who went on to have
a really successful NBA career. Larry Hughes was a heck

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of a player. But they had they had Charlie spoon Oer,
Charlie Spoonower. Charlie Spoonauer was the coach, and he and
Bob Huggins were best friends, and they would do shows
with each other, in the postgame show with each other,
and it was awesome. And he had some really, really,
really good teams in Saint Louis. And I've been and
you see in Saint Louis haven't been in the same

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conference now for a very long time. They were in
the Great Midwest together, they were in Conference USA together.
But I've been to you see Saint Louis games in
in st in the Missouri Valley. I've been to some
UC Saint Louis games in Saint Louis, and when the
Billickans are good, that town shows up. And now they're good,
they're a point away from being undefeated. Uh, they've They've

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got Josh Shirtz who had been the head coach at
Indiana State when they were really good a couple of
seasons ago, and he has that program as right now
the best one in the Atlantic Ten. They take on
the Dayton Flyers tonight. And yes, if you're a Cincinnati fan,
chances are you have a very soft spot in your
heart for the Saint Louis Billickans because of the games

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that you see in Saint Louis played and so not
so much out there in LA. But you ask any
basketball fan here what's Saint Louis's mascot, they will spit
it out instantly. It's the Billickins.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
I just earlier, when you brought that up, I was
so happy because I was unaware of it, and then
I thought, that's really cool. Moe brought up to Saint
Louis Milligan is that that's a Catholic school, isn't it?
I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It is it is a Catholic school.

Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
I don't know if it's Franciscan or Jesuit. I'm not
sure about that. But I'm surprised they're not in the
Big East. I'm surprised they never went in the Big
East because everybody in the Big East is a pretty
much Catholic school, I think, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Uh, everyone except Yukon. There's a politician in Missouri and
one in Ohio who are partnering to try to get
Saint Louis and Dayton the Big East. I don't think
that that's that that's gonna happen, you, Mike. I always
enjoy hearing from you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
As a Dayton grad, Yeah, i'd go from the the
Atlantic ten to the Big East. I don't think it's
gonna happen, but I think it would be cool if
it did. All right, Mike, It's always good to hear
from you. Have a have a have a great weekend.
Not away from four o'clock. Uh. The James Rapine off
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So this is something that James Repine and I have

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done every year for a while where we wait a
few weeks after the season ends and a few weeks
before the offseason can really begin, and we kind of
run through all the different offseason storylines and I'm sure
we'll leave some out, but we'll hit all the big ones.
James is with us, you know his work, of course
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But more than anything, the Locked On Bengals podcast entered
the Jungle Bengals Talk dot com. It's awesome to have you.
Did I leave anything out?

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
I don't think so. Probably, but I don't think so.
I think you covered it pretty very good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
All right, Well, there's there's a lot for you and
I to cover. I'll start with the question of the week.
Are you ready?

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
I'm ready?

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Who is the best coach in the AFC North Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
Mike McCarthy, and I don't understand why everybody's pretending like
Mike McCarthy hasn't won sixty one percent of his games
there was love a coach that wins sixty one percent
of his regular season games. And I'm not saying the
Bengal should have fired Zach Taylor, that I or Mike McCarthy.
With this idea that Mike McCarthy is somehow worse than
Zach Taylor. Will show me where where that on paper

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makes any sense. So Mike McCarthy is the best head
coach in the AFC North. I'm not sure it's close.
That might not be the case a year from now,
but today, my man Mike is certainly the guy at
the top of the podium.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
You're going with my man Mike, Huh? Interesting, Well, yeah
I am.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
I'm going with my man Mike because I feel like,
for some reason he's become a social media punchline. And
by the way, maybe that's deserved. But my non man,
Sean Payton deserves plenty of criticism as well. And now
we're getting into the NFL and you had me on
the top Bengals, but Sean Payton is just as big
of a loser in the playoffs and chokes so many

(01:18:15):
of these big games away. And so yeah, Sean Payton,
Mike McCarthy, Spider Man, mean same guy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Okay, very good. I like that very good, sort of
sort of hot takey, which I like it. It's good.
I don't necessarily think you're wrong, though. All Right, let's
focus on the Bengals here a little bit. Let's start
with I think what is the like, the the baseline
test of whether the Bengals are going to be competent
this offseason, and that's making a layup. Right, A layup

(01:18:43):
is signed Dalton Reisner. He played well, makes up a
good offensive line, says he wants to be here, doesn't
want to sign late in the game anymore. Why has
it not been done yet?

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Well, the Bengals always move a bit slower than we
would like. I would say that that's that's certainly of it.
And look, I think it does get done, and I'm
not stunn that it's not done on January thirtieth. And
I get why fans are focused on this because it's
something we've been focused on. You've done that twenty sixteen,

(01:19:17):
Like we've all looked back at twenty sixteen in that
social media like that was when Kevin Nightley, that was
his last year in Cincinnati. He leaves, and I was
reminded of oh, my god. We've been talking about guard
for the past decade, but not just the Joe Burrow era,
but pre Joe Burrow era, guard has been an issue.
And look, Dalton Reisner is a valuable piece because he

(01:19:38):
brought stability to a spot that has been a revolving door.
And A don't know why they didn't like him earlier
in the game last year. It really never made sense
to me. I don't know why he's bounced around the league.
But here's why I think it gets done, even if
it does go into the combine, maybe after the combine.

(01:19:59):
The reason I I think it gets done, though, is
because he wants to be here and the Bengals need him.
It's a clear obvious hole if they don't bring him back,
and why would you create a hole like that in
a spot that isn't going to cost a ton. You're
not gonna have to break the bank. He's not the
top guard, the Joe Toney of the twenty twenty six

(01:20:21):
free agent class, and so if that's the case and
he's going to be reasonably priced, I just think it
gets done. I'm confident it gets done. The only question
is does this bleed into free agency. I hope. It's
very Mike the Sicky light, and it doesn't get to
free agency because if it does well, then obviously there's

(01:20:43):
a chance he could end up elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
If you had to wager an amount of money that
matters to you on who the Bengals backup quarterback is
going to be in twenty twenty six, who'd you say
it'll be?

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
Man this one? I'm so I'm more common don't Riisner
returning than I am Joe Flacco? And it's it's not
because it's not because really everyone focuses on how well
Joe Flaco is going to have his options and all
of those things. Fine, the Bengal's really going to spend
on a backup quarterback? Like really, like, are they going

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to give Joe Flacco the Jared Stidham deal? Two years,
twelve million dollars? I don't know if they're going to
do that. A history would say probably not. I think
back to the Carson Palmer days and then he wanted
kit to this day, and I get it, Kittnes still
wanted to start and all of those things. But like that,
when the Bengals are spending on Joe Burrow, I think

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they're going to say, oh, well, we should use those
resources elsewhere, and so that's what's interesting to me. I
do think they'll bring in a veteran back up. Jake
Browning does not count. He's restricted, could technically return. I
don't know if that'll happen. I don't think that should
happen unless it's that QB three. So the answer is,

(01:22:01):
I don't know. I don't know who will be. I
think it will likely be a veteran. But I'm gonna
throw this out to you, MO, would you consider drafting one?
I would. I know, I'm the drafts guy having a
cost controlled backup that you think can run your offense.
If you feel, let's say Dan Pitcher and Zach Taylor
look and say, hey, this guy could do that, well,

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it wouldn't be bad having a rookie back there that
you're confident in. And and so, for the first time
in the Joe burrow Er, I do think that quarterback
should realistically be on the table in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yes, because I'm looking for a better version of Jake Browning,
a guy that I could perhaps stash, you know, have
in my system, develop, teach, have Joe burrow mentor him
for whatever that's worth, which I think is a lot,
and then you know, invariably in a year or two,
I've got my backup and I've got a guy that

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I've groomed, that has been in my system, that is
a better version. Because look, Browning nothing against what he
has accomplished, and what he did in twenty twenty three
was great. He gets a lot of credit for that.
He was an undrafted guy even when he had success here,
you know, you had folks who are like man, you
could trade Jake Browning. The league wasn't beating down the
Bengals door to get him. The league understands what he is,

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and so is there a better version of him in
the draft? If there is, and I assume there will be,
I'm not opposed to the idea because if they accomplish
what I think they can accomplish in free agency, and
if they accomplish what they should accomplish early in the draft,
then you know you could take a quarterback and have
it not come at the expense of something. So I'm

(01:23:38):
totally on board with the idea. I'm skeptical that they'll
actually do it. You would know more about that than me,
But I don't think that's a bizarre or sort of
out of left field perspective. I actually think it's something
that should be very much on the table.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Yeah, and honestly I would still consider it even if
you do bring back Flaka, and I think Flacco is
going to cost He's a guy that I would around
the combine, much like Riisener try to offer, say, hey,
look do you get to throw to if Joe gets hurt,
come be our backup this year, and what do we

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have to do to get this done. You don't have
to show up for any of the voluntary stuff. If
you want to spend time with family whatever. You know,
if the Bengals should buy a riverfront place in northern
Kentucky that Joe Flacco can live in, it's during the offsseeason,
it's needed for the aussee at workouts like whatever. Like
that's a valuable thing to have. Hey, go there, you
don't have to stay in a hotel. Here's all the

(01:24:37):
amenities like so I would still be on board with that,
by the way. But yeah, the long term element of
this is finding not AJ mccerrn, but sort of AJ mccarren,
having a guy that when Andy went down, AJ was
able to keep the ship sort of upright. Obviously you
want the better version of that, and that's hard to find.

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But isn't that way Zach Taylor's. Isn't that what you
wanted to keep Dan Pitcher is to be able to
evaluate these guys. So yeah, I think quarterback is a
need and it should very much be on the table
in both circumstances, the free agency depending on who obviously Flaco,
and then obviously the draft as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Rank these three players in terms of off season contract
extension priority, and if you want to add another player
to this trio and take one out and feel free,
I think you know where I'm going here, DJ Turner,
Dax Hill, and Chase Brown.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
So I think most people would probably say DJ, and
then backs are Chase or DJ, Chase Dax. I think
about that fifty year option for Dax Hill and he's
under contract, and I'm like, man, wouldn't it be nice
to spread that caps it out a little bit? And

(01:25:56):
I'm getting into the weaves of it a little bit.
But that's how these angles need to think. They have
a lot of holes, right, And so how do you
create more cap space this year? Well, you could sign
Dax he'll do an extension and rower that cap pit.
And then maybe that's the difference between getting a Brian Cook,
who I would very much be in on, and not

(01:26:17):
and still being able to address these other players, these
other spots. So when I look at it, Dax would
be my priority, and it's because of his contract. I'm
not saying he's better than DJ. The way DJ's trending
and tracking. Yeah, you want to get his deal done
as well, but he's on a second round rookie deal,
and uh, even with the escalators and everything, he's gonna

(01:26:39):
have like a three point six million dollar cap hit.
So when you sign him to an extension, that's going
to go up a little bit. So if you get
backs done first, and I do think it might be
easier to get backs done, we'll see. I don't know
that for sure, but if you get backs done first,
it creates more cap space. So I would prioritize Dax
then DJ and honestly, Mal. It depends on what Chase

(01:27:01):
wants and how realistic it is. Like, I'm not going
double digit millions per year on a Chase Brown deal
ten million, eleven million, twelve million. I'm just not doing it.
And maybe that's foolish, but as of now, that's kind
of where I'm at with it. If he wants to

(01:27:22):
sign three for thirty on top of his year this
year where he'll make three million, we'll then fine. But
that's probably about as high as that I would take it.

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(01:29:18):
about before the break the Chase Brown thing, right like,
I love Chase Brown. Every Bengals fan loves Chase Brown.
He's a terrific player, but I do understand like he
is a running back. He's a running back in the
past first offense, and while I don't want to make
it sound like, you know, Chase Brown's or a dime,
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what he brings to the table, he's not irreplaceable, And
so I understand and actually share some of the hesitancy
when it comes to not so much locking into him
long term, but really making a heavy investment. I guess
what you have to ask is is is Chase Brown,
in the absence of a contract extension to be a

(01:30:00):
headache or where's the headache going to come from? Because
if there's one thing this franchise is really good at,
it's kind of creating headaches during the offseason. So I
guess I go there, right, like, where's the headache gonna
come from? Is it gonna be Chase, Is it gonna
be Dax, Is it gonna be DJ Turner? Is it
gonna be somebody else?

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Chase Brown would probably be the most likely. I'm just
thinking about how outspoken he is, right, and I love it.
By the way, to finish map and game like that
night mindset, that attitude that he had after the Denver game,
how straight up he is. I could totally see him
even with him making the rounds over the past week, Oh,
my team's working hard on getting a deal, like Okay,

(01:30:43):
well what's that deal look like? And I could totally
see the scenario where you look around and Dax gets
his deal. DJ gets his deal, And I think that's
the far more important is to keep those two pieces
on defense, the defense that doesn't have many pieces worth
keeping or signing to a long term deal. Then going

(01:31:06):
after a long term extension with Chase and so would
that get ugly? Yeah, I mean he knows he's a
running back. He knows what it could look like if
he goes out there this year and doesn't perform as
well and then is set to go to free agency.
Like it's a tough spot to be in. And the
last thing that I and the question that I would
really ask myself upon the Bengals when I think about

(01:31:28):
a Chase Brown extension is all right, well you paid
tea and he's a pro bowler at the AFC and
touchdowns obviously, Jamar is probably the best receiver in the game.
Is Chase Brown in that class of player? If he
Jamier gives is he the Jon Robinson and I think

(01:31:48):
those are the two best running backs in the league
right now. Christian McCaffrey would have something to say about
it, and I'd get it. But those are the two? Or
is he a tier below that? And if he's a
tier below that, then you have your questions. Oh yeah,
I think Chase Brown could potentially be the headache. I
hope not, though, because if I'm him, I would look
at it and say, man, I could have eighteen hundred
yards from scrimmage in this offense. I could be I

(01:32:10):
could show that I'm one of those dudes. If he
does that, then he's probably getting plaid somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, James the penis with us for another few minutes.
Let's let's look ahead. So let's talk free agency. You
mentioned a name you know selfishly and purely as a
fan like Brian Cook is one of my all time
favorite UC players. He's a guy that in Kansas City,
even being a Bengals fan, I've rooted for and I've
I've watched him go. From a guy that you know,

(01:32:38):
there are a lot of folks that thought maybe the
Chiefs reached when they took him in twenty twenty two,
and he's blossomed. So if you could tell me I
could have Brian Cook and that's the guy that I'm
going to replace Geno Stone with. Hell yeah. But if
I said to you today, with more than a month
ago before the league year opens, the one free agent
that would be at the very top of years, regardless

(01:33:01):
of position, regardless of which side of the ball, name them.
Who is it?

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
Odafe Oway? And you're talking about a mid twenties pass
rusher that maybe his betdis are in front of him.
You could certainly say that I think he's the type
of guy. Now he's, for my money, the top pass
rusher when you consider age and Trey Hendrickson would would

(01:33:28):
argue it's him, And I did it because today Trey
is better. Over the next four years, which one would
be better? Oha would be better? I think, So, yeah,
that's the guy. And if you get a guy like that,
and you have Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart takes a
step and you take it a couple of defensive linemen
in the trap, Suddenly your defensive line room feels a

(01:33:49):
lot different. So yeah, adafe Oa, he would be the guy.
First rounder, has been productive, hasn't had crazy sax seasons,
but you know you'll get you seven eight. Well, maybe
this is the year he gets your twelve. Maybe this
is the year he takes a lead, and so that
would be the guy. Well, the Bengals swim in those waters.

(01:34:09):
I'm not sure, but last year at this time they
clearly should have been in on the Milton Williams of
the world, the top defensive tackle, and he got paid
a ton. But like, now's the time to go find
that that piece, and in a weak free agent class overall,
I think odafe Oa would be the guy. And even
if you did get him, by the way, you can

(01:34:29):
still get Brian Cook. You can still get whatever linebacker
you're thinking of. These Bengals need to really push the
envelope here now, and that means making significant additions, not
just a oh well this fits this void, this fills
that void. No, like real studs, they need to be
swimming in those waters. Brian Cook is a stud at safety,

(01:34:52):
That's why I mentioned him, and odafe Oa at defensive
end would do wonders at pay Corse Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
So you're right, got to be aggressive. Aggressive. For me,
being bold means you have new starting linebackers in twenty
twenty six. What are the odds they actually do that
after they've invested a year and two picks in Knight
and Carter.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Two new starting linebackers. Virtually low, very low. I would say,
I think they should bring someone in. I think you're
still open the drafting one too, and that might be
the path to it. Let's say they bring in a
Leos and all or in sort whoever to Mario Davis,
let's say whatever, and that guy comes in and is starting.

(01:35:38):
And then in the draft, Jacob Bradriguez is there in
round three and that's probably where you'd have to take him.
And he comes in and he's just ready to go,
like he feels like Logan Wilson in twenty twenty where
he can contribute right away and he's got the speed
and the athleticism to cover and all those things. Well,
then I can see it. But that was the problem

(01:35:58):
with last year's draft, and that's what sucks, and that's
why I've harked on it, and I've probably talked about
Demetrius Night Junior more than anyone on the planet, maybe
including his family. And it's unfortunate because it's not personal,
but it really put the Bengals in a tough spot
where now they're like, oh, well, we have this second
rounder and Bart Carter is the one way in the
green down. Bart Cautter is the one communicating and supposed

(01:36:20):
to be this long term leader on the defense, And
so they put themselves in an awkward spot where I
do think one of those guys ends up starting. But
I agree with you. You've got to get more, more physical,
more proven, and just better linebackers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
One more. I could ask you this question every week
for the next twelve weeks and I might get a
different answer. Who is your favorite possible pike at number
ten overall?

Speaker 7 (01:36:48):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
Man, Yeah, it's so early, and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I know it's early. I know you're just getting started.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
Yeah, no, I am no, but it's okay. It's a
good one. It's to me the three guys that are
just so intriguing right now and it's going to change
and it's a popular three. But if you tell me
that Caleb Downs can come in and just be this leader,

(01:37:15):
this guy that knows where to go, can be versatile.
Compare with Brian Cook and give you one of the
best safety tandems in the league. And that would be
my mindset. By the way, I wouldn't shy away from
Caleb Downs just because you sign a safety and free
agency and I'm making that very clear Bengals, So just
so you know, and that doesn't mean Jordan Battle can't play.
Somebody's at the end of his rookie deal. So that

(01:37:37):
would be one. I'm going to talk about two other guys.
Ruben Bain is just nasty. I mean, I know the
arm lenk stuff, but you look at him and he's
not Gino, Like that's not what I'm trying to say,
but like Gino wasn't small. You know, Atkins wasn't small.
He was short, and when you saw Gino, You're like, oh, well,

(01:37:58):
it's just bowling ball. And I look at Rubyen Bain
and I get it. He's not going to necessarily be
a defensive tackle in the league. And though some think bad,
but it's the same way, Like I don't think Ruben
Bain is small. He's just a little shorter than the
Bengals would usually go for in his arm length is
an issue. Guess what. Guess who's arm length was an
issue when he was being drafted Trey Henderson's and so

(01:38:20):
I look at Ruben Bain and I think he'd be
ready to go and contribute right away. And then the
other one just juice as a pass rusher, David Bailey.
He's not as physically imposing, just a guy that can
get after the passer like you could use that, especially
with the shamar Stewarts and Miles Murphy's of the world.
That would fit. And so those are the three. If

(01:38:42):
I had to pick one today, Mo, it would be
Bain and I just one. I love the idea of Baine.
Can you imagine the Dark Knight Rises clips that they
could play at pay Course Stadium after he makes a
sack like so that would be fun. And I just
think he's got me the attitude and presence in my
like it just it's fits. So if there was a
guy today, Ruben Baine Junior out of Miami, if he's

(01:39:05):
there at ten, you do the Bain dance and you
you get up to the podium and you make that pick.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
In all seriousness Like that to me tells me they're
they're getting away from leaning in on traits and looking
more at what the dude puts on film, which was
the big discussion after Shamar Stewart and and you're you're
always gonna want to look at measurables. You're always going
to be interested in in what kind of physical specimen
you're investing in. But like if, if if the big

(01:39:32):
discussion last year was lean into what's on film, then
you're doing that with Ruben Bain. I love it. You've
been awesome with your time. I appreciate it. I'm sure
I'll bother you soon. Man, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
I didn't name a wide receiver at Ken they tuned.
That could happen. You never know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
We have three months. We have three months. Yes, trust me,
I might do this. I might do this where like
I like, I check with you. Let's maybe every two
weeks just to go, okay, you know who is it
this week? Maybe we'll do that. We'll see you're the man,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (01:40:08):
It would be a little prospect spotlight. I'm in. I
appreciate you. MO see you too.

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See, I'm already getting text. Who's the interview gonna be
with Tuesday? Right around five twenty? Who's it gonna be?
I'm not gonna I don't believe in Jenson's. I don't
believe in Jenson's. I'm not a superstitious person. I don't
believe in announcer Ja says. You know, I went to
the Miami basketball game on Tuesday night, and I was
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(01:42:08):
while was at least a possibility, I was prepared to
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in Jinx's. I would not have been the reason. I'm
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there's a good interview. I'm saying this because I haven't
won thousand percent secured it. I've about ninety five percent

(01:42:31):
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(01:43:14):
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(01:43:34):
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(01:44:21):
You know what they did twelve years ago. If you're
a Dayton fan, you're nodding along. You know what they
did twelve years ago? That's right, they made the Elite eight?
Are they gonna make the Elite eight this year? I'll
settle for a win at Saint Louis. If you haven't
seen the Billickans yet, they play fast, which, let's be honest,
that's not the Saint Louis brand going back decades. But
they play fast, They're really good defensively. Dayton Hot and

(01:44:45):
Cold win their first five A ten games, lose their
next three A ten games. They blew a fifteen point
lead the other night against Rhode Island. They tip off
at eight o'clock tonight in Saint Louis. Tomorrow it's Cincinnati
and Houston. I think if you're a Bearcat fan, you
don't need me to remind you what happened in the
first game. These two teams were tied at sixty three
and a half to go. Bearcats never scored again. Kog's

(01:45:08):
win sixty seven to sixty Kingston Fleming. If I was
a fan of an NBA team that was going to
have a top five pick, I would be watching Kingston
Flemings closely had forty two in Houston's loss to Texas Tech.
The Cougars bounce back the other night against TCU on
the road with what just felt like the quintessential Houston game.

(01:45:29):
I talk about the Cougars all the time. Look, they
have stolen the Bearcats brand, right, But I think it's
really hard. It's hard to have a program identity, Like
if you're a UC fan, to me, for those nearly
three decades where the Bearcats were NCAA tournament mainstays, there
was a clear, constant, year in, year out identity. But

(01:45:51):
I think it's a little bit easier to have that
when you don't have unending roster turnover in a day
and age of roster turnover has carved out an identity.
You know in your mind's eye, you know what a
Houston player looks like. Right. They're tough, they're fundamentally sound.

(01:46:11):
They're awesome on both ends of the floor. There's not
a lot of like offensive and defensive specialists in Kelvin
Samson's program. They're smart. In recent years, they've gotten really
good at running stuff. You think about when Houston first
got good in the AAC, their offense was throw it
up against the backboard and go get it. They can
still go get it. The Bearcats saw that firsthand. But

(01:46:33):
it's so interesting to me watching them. They had times
use the entire shot clock and yet still get a good,
not rushed, not panicked shot. So they're eighteen and two
Bearcats have their hands full. Brenda talked about this with
me yesterday. That first game at fifth third, it was
there for the taking for Cincinnati. Do you get two
chances like that. Hopefully the answer is yes. We'll find

(01:46:55):
out tomorrow at twelve o'clock. You talk about games there
for the taking, Xavier's last three, each one of them
there for the taking, Creighton on the road, Saint John's
here last Saturday, very much there for the taking, having
an eleven point lead in Newark against Seaton Hall. Now,
one thing that has happened with the Musketeers this year
when they've lost a tough one, they typically have bounced

(01:47:18):
back with at least a good effort. I heard Paul Frischner,
our guy who we got to get on the show
here soon, maybe next week, mister college basketball. I heard
him say something to Mike Petrellia last night on Sports
Talk down the Hall that I think is true with
every Xavier basketball game, you have no idea what you're
going to get. First time the Muskies played to Paul,
they lost eighty six to seventy seven. Let's be honest.

(01:47:41):
If you don't want this to unravel, you gotta get
this one at home. Three straight losses behind you, road
games in front of you against Yukon and Saint John's.
Tip off at one o'clock tomorrow Louisville has mckel brown back.
They were throttled over the final thirty minutes against Duke
the other night. I am not entirely sure of what

(01:48:03):
to make of Louisville's team. Early in the season. You
would watch him in Burst and believe with that backcourt,
Final four caliber team. I've watched him in Burse obviously
at times with that mcl brown and I've thought, I'm
not sure that's an NCAA tournament team. We'll see if
they bounce back tomorrow against smu. Ohio State is a
very quiet fourteen and six and a very quiet six

(01:48:25):
and four in the Big Ten. They take on Wisconsin.
Bruce Thornton's one of those guys that it feels like
he's been playing college basketball for a thousand years. I
think they have a really talented starting five. You just
wait for a little bit more from the buck Eyes.
Perhaps we see it tomorrow. Indiana coming off that big
win over Purdue, We'll take on UCLA tomorrow. Miami looks

(01:48:49):
for a twenty second consecutive win to start the season.
Big day tomorrow at Malett Hall. The great Ron Harper
is going to be in attendance, getting an honorary degree,
Redhawk's taking on Northern Illino, looking to remain unbeaten, looking
to improve to twenty two to zero. This is my
It's not even a hot take. First of all, remember

(01:49:10):
the Buffalo game a week and a half ago where
they nearly lost. They go play the Bulls on Tuesday.
So before we talk about an undefeated finish, two things
have to happen. One, Travis Steels team has to play
better defense. He admitted that on this show on Monday,
and then they didn't defend all that well against UMAs.
Number Two, after they take on Northern Illinois tomorrow in

(01:49:31):
a game they should win, should they're gonna have their
hands full in the return engagement against Buffalo. I hate
to say this, I believe that finishing the regular season
undefeated will not be enough to get Miami an at
large bid in the NCAA Tournament. Now, hopefully this ends
up being a moot point because they win the MAC Tournament.

(01:49:52):
That schedule with three games that they've played that aren't
gonna count on their resume is going to hurt them.
And I think it's gonna be interesting to hear how
this is talked about. If you have an undefeated men's
college basketball team in the regular season doesn't make the
NCAA Tournament as an at large again, hopefully it's a
moot point. First things first, the RedHawks and Northern Illinois

(01:50:14):
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John Caliperry Bowl two point zero. I guess Kentucky is
at Arkansas right now? How many Wildcat fans would love
to have John Caliperry back. The Mark Pope thing. Look,
they had won five consecutive games going into that tilt
against Vanderbilt, and obviously the Wildcats roster has been depleted

(01:50:35):
big time because of injury. Still blatantly non competitive against
the Commodores. If that continues tomorrow, the U at least
from a public perspective, that hot seat that Mark Pope
seems to be on is it's going to be hotter
than hot whatever that is. Arkansas is led by Darius Akuff.
If I rooted for an NBA team that was going

(01:50:57):
to pick anywhere between six and ten in this year's
I would be watching Darius Acuff very very closely. You
know what the good news is, for all of their issues,
I don't root for a team that's going to be
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