February 3, 2026 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Hall of Fame, Joe Burrow "being made available," the quest for a better pass rush, fill-in-the-blanks, and Nick Lachey.
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Now you've found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Paul Danner Junior is here from The Athletic and the
Growler podcast on a lot of different Bengals and NFL stuff.
Later on, I did an interview with Jean's Territory. You'll
hear that. That's at five twenty. Juhanio Suarez spoke earlier
today Soda Nick Crawl.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You'll hear both. There's a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We're also taking a request and a special guest a
little bit later on, none more special than Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hi, Paul, what's up? How are we doing with it? Wonderful?
I love your energy level.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, some people might think, hey, snowy, kind of
a lazy February day.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You're here and you are like ready to do this.
I am. I appreciate that you always bring There is
no off season. Oh oh you were here in June. Yeah, right,
you know there's well you just don't come in correct, yes, ye, no,
you're here.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You're all in when I'm here, When I'm here, I
am one hundred percent all in. There's no there's no
denying that. It's it's awesome to have you. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Not too much.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's a very easy driving here. I imagine buses could
have also had a pretty easy drive.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But who am I? Yeah, you're you're like me. You're
a parent who's wondering why your kid had to be
off school today. That's that's who you are, That's what
I am.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I spent all day wondering, like, really, couldn't have today,
couldn't have gone into the snow flurries were too much
for a quick drop off and pick up and seven
hours of real good education that we didn't have it
all last week.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We couldn't do that today? Apparently not. No, I could
have done without the four thirty am call. I love
that as much.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, so now, not only are are your kids home,
but you're going to do it on minimal sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I slept through that text. Yeah, and my wife
did and like wake me up when she left for work.
So I got up in seven thirty five, saw the
text and dropped the news to my kid, no school today,
and she was mildly excited.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, she was mildly excited.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Would I would hope. So I'm excited. We have we
built this Bob slid track in our backyard. It's like
fit perfectly because my kids are really excited. They loved
Cool Runnings and they're very excited about the Jamaican Bob
Slid team. So they were back there working the Bob
Slid track, very happy that was there. We're gonna be
appointment viewing on the Jamaican Bob Slid team and they've
they have become experts on it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Wow. Yeah, I don't It's very weird, but I'm accepting
of it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
There's a lot of ground to cover that's specific to
the Bengals, and we're also we're gonna we're gonna deliver
something to your wheelhouse a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
All right, but can I start with the Hall of
Fame stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Because right so now Robert Kraft is not going to
get in. Bill Belichick is not going to get in,
and I don't really care that much. That's that's all
well and good. Is this good news for Ken Anderson?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, Well, we're down to three. Someone's gonna get in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Somebody's gonna get in, and so if it's the top
vote getter, is one of these three seniors, Yeah, that's
the guy. Now, the odds that all three clipped that
forty out of fifty number that you need to get
seem unlikely.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So it's gonna be Roger Craig. The game is in
Santa Clara.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He played for the forty nine ers, He's got the
forty nine ers machine behind him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's gonna be Roger Craig.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I will say this, years of watching these votes cast
for potential Cincinnati Bengal Hall of Fame candidates, I wouldn't
be like, yeah, it's likely that it's Ken Anderson. We've
seen this show before. It's kind of fitting that it's
Bengals verse nine Ers. Yeah, and it feels like we've
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seen how we know how they vote because it's largely
the same people again, which is what we keep saying,
So we know how they vote. It tends to certainly
always shift towards teams that won championships and getting like
their entire roster in and never anybody from.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Teams that didn't win championships, and so knowing that it
sets up that way, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Obviously, this year was different and had a lot of
people talking in different ways for it to even be
at this point where Belichick and Craft aren't in.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So maybe that changed some things. But it's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's better than better than already knowing that those guys
are in.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, and you're like, well, that makes it really hard.
It's going to be Roger Greig. Not that Roger Craig
is not deserving. So's Elsie Green, no question, no question,
but it's it's gonna be. It's gonna be Roger Craig.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Probably what is the most You're not a Hall of
Fame voter, No, do you desire to.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Be one day?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean I would be very honored to do so.
I don't really, I mean I complain about the way
that it operates. I think for it to operate more efficiently,
there should be more voters. That's not about me being
one that is. I just think that it would operate
a lot better and have a lot more fairness if
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you had more people or a rotating cast of people involved.
If that would involve me being a part of it,
I'd be honored to put a vote for it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The process itself. If you were in charge, what would
the process look like? More similar to baseball or you know,
you would do something. I think you could there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
The problem is you have these fifty people and they've
mostly been the same for a long time. As if
the league doesn't now have so many people who are respected,
well sourced with different viewpoints on the game and what's important,
who have now covered the league through the primes and
entire careers of these guys that are being voted on,
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who aren't a part of the process at all, lots
of them and most of the voters are. They've been
a rend doing this for twenty thirty year and so
that's just the nature of it. I think there is
a way to have an expanded collection of people, let's
say one hundred and fifty that are on a rotation.
It's a different combination of fifty every year, because the
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politicking that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Is a problem.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, so if there's no way to politic because you
don't even know who the voting collection is or changes
or whatever, you get different viewpoints. So you're not getting
these saying no, this is the line of people that
are going to get in. We've got to go down that,
we've got to follow this protocol. No, you have a
collection of people. Whatever that number needs to be. I'd
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like it to be larger than fifty fifty and they
cast a certain number of votes. You definitely the problem
separate the coaches and contributors and stuff, and I would
say in the similar manner you would handle the seniors,
which is a very challenging process where you'd have a
rotating group that's bigger, that comes up with who that
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person is, and and that honestly kind of needs to
get back to being a rubber stamp situation or someone
a group of people that is different every year studies
that and puts that forward and that person just gets in.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's just too hard. There's too many people out there.
But the general, the general thing, I think you just
need to widen the number and treat it more like baseball.
Check off who you think should get in and whoever
has the highest percentages that whatever you need to hit
or whatever, however many that are that are that number is,
that's who gets in, and it's cleaner that way.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
What I think baseball gets right is there's no there's
a maximum number of players you could check off on
a ballot ten, right, which is why you have some
weirdness where a voter might say, hey, this guy's an
obvious Hall of Famer, he was going to get in
any way, but I had ten other guys I wanted
to vote for. But beyond that, and beyond there being
a character clause, I think the voting's close to perfect.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I think that there's and there's been an an unrequired
level of transparency.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's a part of the process.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
We're like now, every baseball writer writes a good column
and I love reading them explaining their votes and their rationale,
and some I disagree with, some do change my mind,
but I think for the most part, the way they
do it is perfect. Is there a good reason as
to why football doesn't do something like that. There's no
maximum so you could have a class, well, there's no class.
(08:21):
You could have a year when nobody gets football. There's
maximums and minimums, which I don't love. But is there
a reason why they can't look at Baseball's model and
say let's do.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They feel like they like the setup that they have
and it's what it's been, and that's advantageous to the
people that are the ones making decision on what it
should look like. I mean they could come in and
who knows, maybe this Belichick and Craft thing does make
them blow the whole thing up and start over. Like
if there's anything that would do it, it would be this.
It's certainly brought this thing to light that we have
Bengals fans certainly have known for a long time as
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a super flawed process. Is they can't have them, never
been able to get anybody in for the most part.
And so yeah, I you know, I don't know why
necessarily if there just haven't been enough of a push
or people think that it's working. Okay, but it's just
kind of just been accepted that this is what it is,
(09:13):
and everybody has to work through the current constraints.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
There's a guy who tracks Baseball Hall of Fame balloting
on his website, and so he has you have to
volunteer to do it. But you know, writers will submit
to him their ballots and he'll track them and you
can get a pretty good idea of who might get in,
what the vote total may look like. It's it's not
concrete because there are some voters who don't send in
(09:38):
their ballot. What's interesting about how this is unfolded with
Belichick and Craft. It's like it's being reported they didn't
get in with the Baseball Hall of Fame. There's an unveiling,
and there's still a shroud of mystery. Why is it
working out like this? We're like it's being reported by
like reputable journalists. Hey, here's who didn't get in. So
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what's to stop somebody from sy saying, Hey, it's going
to be Kenny Anderson and we find out tomorrow when
the official announcement is supposed to be on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's not That's the one thing that if you listen
to some of the conversations coming out from voters and
people inside of the Hall, that's where they're at. This
should not be getting out. This should not be known.
It is supposed to be an unveiling. Now is somebody
Obviously someone's leaking this for a reason. It would probably
benefit the Hall and the people that are actually get
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in for this news to just be out of the
cycle by the time you get to the announcement, so
that it doesn't overshadow the people that are actually going
to get in when we learn about that on Thursday.
So I would understand the reason someone would want to
leak that those two guys aren't getting in to take
away from any controversy on that night and those people
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that deserve the recognition. That has never been a thing before.
It has been a huge deal about people not knowing
and it being unveiled at this point in time at
the super Bowl, and it not being news that gets out.
So that's been what's different this year. And I think
that's gonna also cause some retribution after this is all
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said and done and they figure out the ratifications of
this is because the way that that has gone down
has not sat well with anybody that's a voter.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Or part of the hall.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I know that much.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
All Right, we're gonna talk about something that you can
blame one of your peers at the Athletic four. Okay,
we're gonna talk about a couple of columns pieces that
you've written here. And I think you unwittingly sent me
a message in one of your pieces. I did, yeah,
and sometimes I just specifically reference yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You didn't do that, you. I think. I don't think
it was unwittingly. I think you sent me a message. Okay,
message received. So we're gonna do it your way.
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Coming up in about twenty minutes, Okay, it's seventeen minutes
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, Aleck Lewis does a good job covering the Vira job.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, because I've been reading a lot because they fired
them who apparently took paternity leave, and that's a whole
big thing, and I man, that's just I'm glad I
don't have to talk about that. But here is Alec
on the Alec Lewis Show referencing Joe Burrow, and of
course you are gonna be required to comment on this, Tarn,
go ahead and play that audio.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Odds of a Joe Burrow big name quarterback trade over
under ten percent possibility. I like putting a percentage on
it would be foolish on my part because it's it's
it's like when I used to cover baseball. You used
to say, like why, you know, what were the why
why didn't they trade that player?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What was available to trade? So it's like, you know, as.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Much as the Viking I mean, I've said this on
the podcast before, if a player like Joe Burrow is
available via trade, I expect the Vikings to do everything
they possibly can to try to make that happen. It's
more a question of what is available, and how far
you know what's available and how far from a cost
perspective is it gonna take to to get to the
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place at which it does become available.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So Alex Lewis just said the Bengals are going to
trade Joe Burrow to the Vikings. No, that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I you know, I feel for Alec because he many
of us have fallen victim to the well you're asked
me about this last week, the dove Climban's the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Footballs in the world get a hold of that?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
And does I'm sure, Oh, I'm sure, and that is
just gorgeous fodder when in actuality he's just answering a
hypothetical question, essentially saying it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But yes, if somehow it was it came to be.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That Joe Burrow were available, obviously the Vikings would be
trying to put together whatever package.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It would take.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He is not, and I don't and I'm sure that
that is essentially the part that is not widely Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I read that Alec was saying that he is not available.
So the Bengals aren't gonna make Joe Burrow available. Everybody
has their price. Smile. I guess no, not in this case.
Not in this case, no, I do not. I could
you imagine? I mean, I'm just I'm trying to trying.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now you're making me wrap my brain around the idea
of this actually happening.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, here's my problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Stupefying you would have to be to hear you thought
you thought the Duke Tobin press conference was an event
after the season ended. How about the one introducing that
they've traded Joe.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Burrow randomly in the middle of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So if that were to happen, not only am I
not taking any days off, this will be a seven
day a week show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I might do a show in the morning and this
one there won't.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Be enough time, and you just you just play calls
over and over again because they're all like ten minute
rants of people screaming it's it's it'd.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Be it would be incredible. It is a fictional universe.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
What's not a fictional universe is the Bengals and their
attempts to fix the pass rush, Hey, which you've written about.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I have multi part series, you know, you know I
have to now Tomorrow is part two. It's the Trey
hendrickson part what's that about a paragraph?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, it's actually I just looked at the final word
count ended up being eleven hundred words.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Really.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, So can I just flash ahead to the very
last passage of this piece, which is part one, which
is looking at options at edge. Yeah, and also including like,
you know, what Miles Murphy did, what Shamar Stewart showed
in what he didn't do. But we did the mock
offf season exercise last week, and this is what I
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saw to accomplish. A four man rotation featuring Murphy if
you Stewart, a mid tier free agent and an early
round pick, makes for a potent combination of potential answers
with upside and the most realistic edge outcome over the
next three months.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, sign me up.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, it's kind of I mean, it's the one, it's
the path of least resistance, it's the one that makes
the most sense. It's where you can see the edge
group being pretty good. Because so much of this defense
and now year two of this rebuild is it just
has to be about finding stars out of the guys
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that you draft or the guys that you have in house.
It's just too hard to go find and pay stars.
You're just only gonna find so many. Trey Hendrickson is
that you are lucky that turn into what he did,
and so that's the way to augment that is you're
gonna need Miles Murphy to take a step. Shamar Stewart's
gonna have to become a guy or you're gonna have
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to hit at number ten like all of those with
but raising the floor of that group. And that's sort
of the theme at multiple positions. But specif typically with
the pass rush, bring in somebody who you know can
give you a consistent forty to fifty pressures and seven
to ten sacks or that that hits your system. The
way that you feel would be you know one that
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would work. And there's men, there's names mentioned in there,
and I sort of pinpoint the group that they typically
go after, and so I think that's to me, that
is the most likely outcome. If you know, free agency
does weird things like the Orlando Brown year, where all
of a sudden, it's like Orlando Brown just called right
and things can happen and next thing you know, you're
doing something you didn't expect to. Maybe it could be
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anything there, Maybe it's a trade, maybe it's whatever, But
for the most part, what feels the most likely that
makes sense for where they're at, where they view Miles.
The fact that they have to leave a runway with
for Shamar to grow is to bring in somebody who
you can be in some sort of either rotation or
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take over the edge and Shamara works more inside or
whatever along that's or you can't block him, right, and
so that's going to be a part of this equation.
And so adding all those pieces and let them all
go into the mix and see what comes out feels
like where you can shake that box up and come
up with something pretty.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well well, And I know because I've done it. What
folks are going to pine for is ruben Bain to
be there. And so if if that were to happen,
if he's there and I can get him continued improvement
from Miles Murphy, some flash from Shamar Stewart, and then
exactly what I pay a mid tier free agent for
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pass rush will be king.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, that will work. Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The bigger issue is and I and there's a lot
of I want people to check in on Part three,
which will not be as rosy as Part one because
The scarcity at defensive tackle is the other part of
this equation, and that's where they need it most. That's
where they've missed it for so long, and so finding
some way to get something out of that spot is
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gonna be the hard part. So if you can find
some way for your edge acquisition to be able to
help you more inside, or maybe it is Shamar doing
more inside on third downs or whatever whatever that looks like,
you may need to have that group help the inside
group because it's a much harder path to project and
see when you talk about what's happening on the end.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Two, I want to address something that came up in
your mail bag.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, was this the message to you? Yeah? Okay, yeah
there was a message right to question. No, okay. I've
submitted questions to you before they've not gotten answer. You
could just text me if you have a question.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
That's not because I don't know how you get the
mail bag questions. And I like, I have this dream
of like you going sifting through them and you see
it and you you either see my name on it
or you know it's from me, But I don't leave
my name and leave some But you know that's a
kind of question I would ask Maurice uh Sports headlines
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That was first reported by CBS Sports.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Domatow Peckel is apparently going to be the Steelers defensive
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I love loved Domatah. Who doesn't I mean that one hurts?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't think that the current
job here was open, But no, yeah, you don't want
to see him in.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Steel Jerry Montgomery, the new Scott Peters in what way
like Scott Peters unit took a big step forward, And hey,
he's a strike technique and he's got to work with
these guys.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And then you know Jerrymunk, who you've written about. There's
gonna be some dudes. He's got to get more out.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I made sure to make a point about him in
there because he does not get enough credit for certainly
what happened with Miles this past year, and he's kind
of has had a track record now where we've seen
guys take really big leaps under his wing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
He deserves more credit than most defensive line coaches get
or probably deserve.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Gotcha.
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Road against New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Paul Daanner Junior from the Athletic and the Growlar podcast
is here. You did a mailbag, Yes, answered a question
from Lynn T. Lynn Wrights. Thanks for the mock off
season sheet. Really helpful for the free agent season and
the draft. Fill in the blank. The Bengals free agent
season is a success because they signed Blank. Your response,
(25:33):
big fan of filling the blank questions one of the
best sports talk tropes.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, I'm game, we can do fill in the blanks.
You had to do a say mo, I like doing
filling the blank segments. Yeah, that's all you.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Had to do.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, you don't have to send me these messages. I
read everything. I'm gonna get it. But I mean you could.
I gotta do a say love to do fill in
the blanks if you've got time for one.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean, I just you know, I don't. I don't
want to tell you how to do your show. Well
everybody else us. Fine, Now does this mean that we're
about to do fill in the blank set? I got
some fill in the blanks. Let's go all right, Blank.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
There is the biggest contract extension priority.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would say it starts with DJ Turner.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think he's the biggest priority because he has played
at the highest level. But I think because there's other
options with him, Dax Hill might make a little more
sense of getting done.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But I think you're, yeah, they're starting with DJ, that's
the first guy top of the list. I think you
start with your best player.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now you know, they're gonna talk to Ya, They're gonna
talk to Chase Brown, They're gonna talk to Miles, They're
gonna talk to DJ and Dax and everybody, and there's
gonna be some combination. But I do you know, I
think you start with the guy who is the best player,
who will be the most expensive, and that's definitely DJ Turner.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Miles Murphy will finish with blank sacks then signed a
deal for blank million dollars. Well, I'm gonna be the
Miles Murphy guy. Like I want to be the Miles
Murphy guy. Why, guy, I have it already because every
time I every time I say, like, man, Miles Murphy
toward the end of the year was really good, I
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get laughed at. And I think what we saw at
the end of last season portends a breakout twenty twenty
six where we look at him and go Okay, he
could be like Carlos Dunlap two point zero.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Moving to this, I will say this, and this was
in my story today. I remembered before the season doing
this and talking about this stat because there was like, look,
if you're going to be a premier edge, you got
to come through on money downs, like when it's third
and long, that's got to be you. And Trey Henderson
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has lived there and and that's.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Got to be where.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And no one had been worse except for one per
literally the last two years combined, then Miles Murphy entering
this season. I remember pointing this out as the argument
against Miles Murphy, whereas there were a lot of reasons
maybe you could have you could believe, but then until
that changed, it was hard to believe. This year he
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ends up in the top ten amongst all pass rushers
in pressure percentage on third and five or fourth and
five or more. I mean around names that everyone knows, yeh,
Will Anderson, Jeffrey Simmons, Jared Vers, Micah Parsons, Khalil Mack,
Miles Garrett, and in the middle of there is Miles Murphy.
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That's who he was. That's not second half of the
season that's all season. It's pressure percentage. He's still got
to finish better, but that started to be what came
along at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You saw the finish start to show up a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But he was getting pressure in those downs where you
look for your edge to get pressure all year long.
And to me, that's when when you talk about underlying
stats and things that you can see that point to
sustainability over time. That's something you look at and being
surrounded by those names should tell you something because those
are guys that are going to continue to be guys.
And and if he continues to go in that direction, man,
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you there's no reason you can't bet on him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He is not there yet, no, but you see direction.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Because because you're like when we talk about well Trey
Hendrickson and he's not obviously not there yet. But when
you look at this type of stuff, another year development
where he finishes better and you get much more of
what you got that second half of the season. In
that regard, you can start to put up Hendrickson numbers
pretty quick, especially if your team that starts playing from
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a head more often.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, if if last year was Miles Murphy was what
we saw his rookie season.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We would be giddy.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Oh you know. Yeah, So all right, it's come later
than we would have liked. That doesn't mean it can't
still be a part of what they're doing moving forward.
When we sit down in July and talk about things
we shall be excited about. He will be very close
to the top of the list.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. And I would put a double digit number on
on the projection for next year on sacks.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Double.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Of course, the last time I made a double digit
sack projection he got zero, So I can't you know,
maybe grain assault on that, but I think I do.
I do think you saw a legit. It was not fake,
It was not coincidental. It was not taking advantage of
you know, poor tackles or any of that. I think
it was a real sustainable leap and that will end
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up with a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Of sacks next year. You're gonna fill in the blank
of a million of millions of dollars. You can look
up what those guys cost.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Okay, Blank is the best coach in the AFC North.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's a hard one. We've been doing this one, right,
I mean it's been a fun one. I think everybody's
because it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, I don't I disqualify Todd Monkin and Jesse Minter, Okay, don't.
I don't know how you could say that they're the best.
We've never even seen them do the job before. So
Mike McCarthy, I mean, he's had success, he's won games,
he's won super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And versus Zach Taylor, who's had success, he's won games,
he's been to a super Bowl, you'd probably give the
edge to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But you know, I don't know that it's a some
some large gap.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
U Haannio Suarez will hit blank home runs in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's not so many U thirty thirty seven? I had
thirty six.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, okay, it's fair to expect him to do what
he did last year. Uh, but it wouldn't be fun
if he did, you know. But yeah, I think I
think that's that's fair to see it in the in
the forty range.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
All right, this this might be this might be a thing.
Now let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, maybe I will my next male, I'll point out
another sports talk trope that I enjoy in and so
that'll be my way of telling you again, just hinting
at other things I like to do.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
All right, Hang tight, I got more. It's not more
filling the blanks, but more things to discuss. It's quarter four.
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away from four o'clock this ESPNT fifteen thirty moagger. Another
few minutes with Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and
the Growler podcast. The latest edition is out. You've made
mention in your mailbag this has been a really slow month,
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and so I've I was a little surprised late last
week that you didn't have something ready to go about
Nick Lache's Bengals song.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh okay, here we go, and so you know, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I mean, you know, I printed out here in Cincinnati
dot Com. Nick Lache urges Mike Brown to sell Cincinnati
Bengals a new song.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, and you haven't had a chance to write about it, yeah,
because it's not news.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So what I thought we would do is, while you're here,
welcome in. The former lead singer of ninety eight Degrees
and the current host of Love Is Blind.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Cincinnati native Nick Lache is with us NET. Congratulations on
the new song.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Obviously, you've hit a bit of a breaking point here
with the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What was the breaking point for you?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Man?
Speaker 9 (34:10):
Honestly, you know, I'm fifty two. I've been watching the
Bengals for probably forty five of those fifty two years,
so you know, I've seen a lot of very bad
football in my lifetime. And it gotten kind of used
to it and gotten kind of doub to it. But
I think this past season, just the the announcement that
they weren't making any kind of changes to what they
were doing or the way they were doing it, it
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just it was my breaking point. You know, this this
idea that we're satisfied with failing here in the here out.
More importantly now is that we're in the peak of,
you know, or what should be the peak of.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Joe Burrow's career.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
Right. I think we all can acknowledge he's the perfect
quarterback for this team. He's a special, special talent. He's
an Ohio kid, he understands Ohio. He's kind of the
perfect fit for the Bengals. And I think when he
came in and I, like a lot of people, thought, well,
this is going to be a chance for the Bengals
to redefine themselves. You know, we're not gonna be the
laughing stock anymore. We're gonna, you know, redefine who we are.
(35:09):
Went to that Super Bowl up here, were away, it's
gonna be a different thing. And now where we've found
ourselves back in this same kind of perpetual cycle. And
so it's just a shame to see that we're we're
going about business as usual with so much at stake
and it's not working, you know, and it just finally
I just couldn't. I couldn't take it anymore. So like
I had to say something. And then, you know, look,
(35:31):
you get to talk on the radio every day. I
get to sing. So that's you know, we do we uh,
we do we know best, and that's I had to
channel it all into a into a song.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It was.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
It was strangely therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh well, Nick, thanks, thanks so much. I know you
have to get back to work.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's the masked singers on the night or something or
if I don't know anyway, So Nick La Paul, I'm
I'm sorry you're not going to get a chance to
ask a question, but there's a direct quote from you
that you could use to write about Nick Lache's dissatisfaction
with the Bengals resulting in what I'm sure is going
to be a song that tops the charts.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, obviously, I know, I appreciate that. I was still
confused what just happened?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I did you? I mean, what is that?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So first of all, you know, we're streaming this hour
on Twitter, and so folks who happened to be watching
got a chance to see your face when that happened,
and that made it work it for me, that was
that part wasn't planned.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
This is gonna be like so I just we just
got done watching.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There was this series called called Dirty Talk about talk
shows in the nineties that was on, and so I'm like,
I've really had like the old Ricky Lake and Jerry Springer,
Jenny Jones, I mean, which ended very badly, but it's
actually an excellent Jenny Jones.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
There was there was a death because of her show.
You had to go to trial. You should watch it. It's great,
sounds sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It actually was. Yeah, actually that not that part, but
lots of old Jerry. Anyway, I've had that on my mind.
And then You're like, I.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Thought he was gonna walk in the door.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I thought it was to be like Jerry and he
was gonna like throw a chair at me or something
like that. Austin's gonna come out of the bath Jerry.
I was ready for it. I mean, I had that
in my head and I'm like, what is happening here?
So all right, I believe in transparency. Yeah, so yesterday
my friend down the hall, John John Atkiss one O seven.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yes, do you want to have Nick Lache on? Like,
all right, sure, what's the most fun that I can
have with this? And then I'm like, well, Paul's here tomorrow.
And Paul doesn't dislike Nick Lache at least I don't
think you do. No, you dislike the fact that what
he says is treated like it's news, like it's big news.
(37:41):
And so he wrote a song last week urging Mike
Brown to sell the team and outlets treat it like
it's news, which, by the way, it is a new
song being released, you know, right right. I mean, when
when a famous artist releases a protest song out of
the blue, it it ends up being news. So and
uh and so I thought, what we'll do is is
(38:01):
I'll tape an interview with Nick and then I'll sort
of ambush Paul with it. I got the It was silent, unfortunately,
but I got the reaction that I was looking for.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I was very confused.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm just happy that this wasn't like an actual tech No,
that's that's that's great.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I still would say that it's not really news. I
would still say that it's pretty clear. But you know what,
I got the number of texts that I got last
Friday and I hadn't seen it, and I was like,
I don't know what's happening, but.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Nick Lache has done something and people really want me
to know about it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, so it's been there's there's been a lot of discussions,
like if there should be some sort of a disc
disc track that I should do on who they like?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Got a microphone in front of you right now.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, I take some time to compose a song. I
guess I don't know, but my my diss again. I
have listened well as long as I could get into it.
I laughed about I could take about twenty seconds of
a song.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm not a lot of ambiguity to it. That's what's
great about it.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No, I think it would be better if like Mike
Brown did this track or something, if we could ever
make that happen.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Do you think like the Brown family on Friday afternoon
quickly convene a meeting, of course, because.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What are we gonna do about the Lache problem? Everyone
gather around Katie, Katie, we've got the worse Katie.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, it's not how this Anyway, I interviewed Nick and
there was a minute of it for you. What else
is on this Are you gonna like drop these in
on me periodic? I might, I might over the course
of the coming It'll be like the Michael Jordan thing
on NBC's NBA, where that's you know, he did one
big interview and they just keep dropping in snippets of
it during the pre That might be what we do
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with the Nick Lache interview that I recorded at one
thirty this afternoon. I love it. I love it. I'm
happy for you. I'm happy for you. I got the
look on your face. I just can't believe priceless.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It got dropped apparently last week around the tweet or
whatever I saw it was in the middle of the afternoon.
The fact that I didn't see a push alert until
nine o'clock actually was.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
The upset of the day. Really that it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I just I'm disappointed in those people because they're usually
much faster.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I saw it.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I was sitting in the back of an uber on
my way to an event and I saw it, and
I was trying to come up with like a way
to tweet you, and I'm like, you know, it's Friday evening.
I don't know that this will be received in the
spirit that I wish, So why don't I wait till
Tuesday and then yesterday when my colleagues like, I can
(40:49):
get Nick Lache on and I'm like, all right, we can.
We're cant have fun with that. Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm honest, I'm glad you explained it because I was
very confused.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Jim was like, so I legitimately was like, you know what,
can I get him at three forty five? Can I
just get him on live? And I'm like, nah, that's
not probably the best approach.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, So there it is, well done. Thank you very much.
This has been We've learned so much.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
We have.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Paul Danner Junior read his work on the Bengals. He's
going through the pass Rush Part one today, yes, part
two tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Part three is Thursday. Correct. Wow, all day. That's a
little lot, man, unbelievable. It's incredible. Fill in the space
quite well.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And the latest edition of the Growler podcast came out
earlier today. Watch that on YouTube or listen to it.
As we say, where you get your podcast? We got
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can't help but ask. I'll tell you what that question is,
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Paul Danner Junior is here from The Athletic and the
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Later on, I did an interview with Jean's Territory. You'll
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today Soda Nick Crawl.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You'll hear both. There's a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We're also taking a request and a special guest a
little bit later on, none more special than Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hi, Paul, what's up? How are we doing with it? Wonderful?
I love your energy level.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, some people might think, hey, snowy, kind of
a lazy February day.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You're here and you are like ready to do this.
I am. I appreciate that you always bring There is
no off season. Oh oh you were here in June. Yeah, right,
you know there's well you just don't come in correct, yes, ye, no,
you're here.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You're all in when I'm here, When I'm here, I
am one hundred percent all in. There's no there's no
denying that. It's it's awesome to have you. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Not too much.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's a very easy driving here. I imagine buses could
have also had a pretty easy drive.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But who am I? Yeah, you're you're like me. You're
a parent who's wondering why your kid had to be
off school today. That's that's who you are, That's what
I am.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I spent all day wondering, like, really, couldn't have today,
couldn't have gone into the snow flurries were too much
for a quick drop off and pick up and seven
hours of real good education that we didn't have it
all last week.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We couldn't do that today? Apparently not. No, I could
have done without the four thirty am call. I love
that as much.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, so now, not only are are your kids home,
but you're going to do it on minimal sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I slept through that text. Yeah, and my wife
did and like wake me up when she left for work.
So I got up in seven thirty five, saw the
text and dropped the news to my kid, no school today,
and she was mildly excited.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, she was mildly excited.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Would I would hope. So I'm excited. We have we
built this Bob slid track in our backyard. It's like
fit perfectly because my kids are really excited. They loved
Cool Runnings and they're very excited about the Jamaican Bob
Slid team. So they were back there working the Bob
Slid track, very happy that was there. We're gonna be
appointment viewing on the Jamaican Bob Slid team and they've
they have become experts on it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Wow. Yeah, I don't It's very weird, but I'm accepting
of it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
There's a lot of ground to cover that's specific to
the Bengals, and we're also we're gonna we're gonna deliver
something to your wheelhouse a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
All right, but can I start with the Hall of
Fame stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Because right so now Robert Kraft is not going to
get in. Bill Belichick is not going to get in,
and I don't really care that much. That's that's all
well and good. Is this good news for Ken Anderson?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, Well, we're down to three. Someone's gonna get in.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Somebody's gonna get in, and so if it's the top
vote getter, is one of these three seniors, Yeah, that's
the guy. Now, the odds that all three clipped that
forty out of fifty number that you need to get
seem unlikely.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So it's gonna be Roger Craig. The game is in
Santa Clara.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
He played for the forty nine ers, He's got the
forty nine ers machine behind him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's gonna be Roger Craig.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I will say this, years of watching these votes cast
for potential Cincinnati Bengal Hall of Fame candidates, I wouldn't
be like, yeah, it's likely that it's Ken Anderson. We've
seen this show before. It's kind of fitting that it's
Bengals verse nine Ers. Yeah, and it feels like we've
(03:54):
seen how we know how they vote because it's largely
the same people again, which is what we keep saying,
So we know how they vote. It tends to certainly
always shift towards teams that won championships and getting like
their entire roster in and never anybody from.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Teams that didn't win championships, and so knowing that it
sets up that way, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Obviously, this year was different and had a lot of
people talking in different ways for it to even be
at this point where Belichick and Craft aren't in.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So maybe that changed some things. But it's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's better than better than already knowing that those guys
are in.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, and you're like, well, that makes it really hard.
It's going to be Roger Greig. Not that Roger Craig
is not deserving. So's Elsie Green, no question, no question,
but it's it's gonna be. It's gonna be Roger Craig.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Probably what is the most You're not a Hall of
Fame voter, No, do you desire to.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Be one day?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean I would be very honored to do so.
I don't really, I mean I complain about the way
that it operates. I think for it to operate more efficiently,
there should be more voters. That's not about me being
one that is. I just think that it would operate
a lot better and have a lot more fairness if
(05:11):
you had more people or a rotating cast of people involved.
If that would involve me being a part of it,
I'd be honored to put a vote for it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The process itself. If you were in charge, what would
the process look like? More similar to baseball or you know,
you would do something. I think you could there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
The problem is you have these fifty people and they've
mostly been the same for a long time. As if
the league doesn't now have so many people who are respected,
well sourced with different viewpoints on the game and what's important,
who have now covered the league through the primes and
entire careers of these guys that are being voted on,
(05:52):
who aren't a part of the process at all, lots
of them and most of the voters are. They've been
a rend doing this for twenty thirty year and so
that's just the nature of it. I think there is
a way to have an expanded collection of people, let's
say one hundred and fifty that are on a rotation.
It's a different combination of fifty every year, because the
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politicking that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Is a problem.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, so if there's no way to politic because you
don't even know who the voting collection is or changes
or whatever, you get different viewpoints. So you're not getting
these saying no, this is the line of people that
are going to get in. We've got to go down that,
we've got to follow this protocol. No, you have a
collection of people. Whatever that number needs to be. I'd
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like it to be larger than fifty fifty and they
cast a certain number of votes. You definitely the problem
separate the coaches and contributors and stuff, and I would
say in the similar manner you would handle the seniors,
which is a very challenging process where you'd have a
rotating group that's bigger, that comes up with who that
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person is, and and that honestly kind of needs to
get back to being a rubber stamp situation or someone
a group of people that is different every year studies
that and puts that forward and that person just gets in.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's just too hard. There's too many people out there.
But the general, the general thing, I think you just
need to widen the number and treat it more like baseball.
Check off who you think should get in and whoever
has the highest percentages that whatever you need to hit
or whatever, however many that are that are that number is,
that's who gets in, and it's cleaner that way.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
What I think baseball gets right is there's no there's
a maximum number of players you could check off on
a ballot ten, right, which is why you have some
weirdness where a voter might say, hey, this guy's an
obvious Hall of Famer, he was going to get in
any way, but I had ten other guys I wanted
to vote for. But beyond that, and beyond there being
a character clause, I think the voting's close to perfect.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I think that there's and there's been an an unrequired
level of transparency.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's a part of the process.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
We're like now, every baseball writer writes a good column
and I love reading them explaining their votes and their rationale,
and some I disagree with, some do change my mind,
but I think for the most part, the way they
do it is perfect. Is there a good reason as
to why football doesn't do something like that. There's no
maximum so you could have a class, well, there's no class.
(08:21):
You could have a year when nobody gets football. There's
maximums and minimums, which I don't love. But is there
a reason why they can't look at Baseball's model and
say let's do.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They feel like they like the setup that they have
and it's what it's been, and that's advantageous to the
people that are the ones making decision on what it
should look like. I mean they could come in and
who knows, maybe this Belichick and Craft thing does make
them blow the whole thing up and start over. Like
if there's anything that would do it, it would be this.
It's certainly brought this thing to light that we have
Bengals fans certainly have known for a long time as
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a super flawed process. Is they can't have them, never
been able to get anybody in for the most part.
And so yeah, I you know, I don't know why
necessarily if there just haven't been enough of a push
or people think that it's working. Okay, but it's just
kind of just been accepted that this is what it is,
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and everybody has to work through the current constraints.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
There's a guy who tracks Baseball Hall of Fame balloting
on his website, and so he has you have to
volunteer to do it. But you know, writers will submit
to him their ballots and he'll track them and you
can get a pretty good idea of who might get in,
what the vote total may look like. It's it's not
concrete because there are some voters who don't send in
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their ballot. What's interesting about how this is unfolded with
Belichick and Craft. It's like it's being reported they didn't
get in with the Baseball Hall of Fame. There's an unveiling,
and there's still a shroud of mystery. Why is it
working out like this? We're like it's being reported by
like reputable journalists. Hey, here's who didn't get in. So
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what's to stop somebody from sy saying, Hey, it's going
to be Kenny Anderson and we find out tomorrow when
the official announcement is supposed to be on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's not That's the one thing that if you listen
to some of the conversations coming out from voters and
people inside of the Hall, that's where they're at. This
should not be getting out. This should not be known.
It is supposed to be an unveiling. Now is somebody
Obviously someone's leaking this for a reason. It would probably
benefit the Hall and the people that are actually get
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in for this news to just be out of the
cycle by the time you get to the announcement, so
that it doesn't overshadow the people that are actually going
to get in when we learn about that on Thursday.
So I would understand the reason someone would want to
leak that those two guys aren't getting in to take
away from any controversy on that night and those people
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that deserve the recognition. That has never been a thing before.
It has been a huge deal about people not knowing
and it being unveiled at this point in time at
the super Bowl, and it not being news that gets out.
So that's been what's different this year. And I think
that's gonna also cause some retribution after this is all
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said and done and they figure out the ratifications of
this is because the way that that has gone down
has not sat well with anybody that's a voter.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Or part of the hall.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I know that much.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
All Right, we're gonna talk about something that you can
blame one of your peers at the Athletic four. Okay,
we're gonna talk about a couple of columns pieces that
you've written here. And I think you unwittingly sent me
a message in one of your pieces. I did, yeah,
and sometimes I just specifically reference yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You didn't do that, you. I think. I don't think
it was unwittingly. I think you sent me a message. Okay,
message received. So we're gonna do it your way.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Coming up in about twenty minutes, Okay, it's seventeen minutes
after three o'clock.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The latest edition of The Growler podcast came out a
short while ago. You could also read Paul's work at
the Athletic dot com and follow him on at Paul
Danner Jinia. By the way, we're streaming this hour on Twitter.
You could watch us. Oh, that's really exciting. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We've we've been doing this on an experimental basis. It's
really taken off. You've had a lot of good reviews
for it. Well, you see you face, the way the
terrence sets it up. You could read comments in real time,
and that's if you're looking for a confidence boost. That's
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Speaker 2 (12:22):
I haven't loved my comments lately, so hopefully there's a
few good.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Now you're gonna no, no, we're not gonna do that today. Someone,
I'm not gonna do that today. I come here to
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, Aleck Lewis does a good job covering the Vira job.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, because I've been reading a lot because they fired
them who apparently took paternity leave, and that's a whole
big thing, and I man, that's just I'm glad I
don't have to talk about that. But here is Alec
on the Alec Lewis Show referencing Joe Burrow, and of
course you are gonna be required to comment on this, Tarn,
go ahead and play that audio.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Odds of a Joe Burrow big name quarterback trade over
under ten percent possibility. I like putting a percentage on
it would be foolish on my part because it's it's
it's like when I used to cover baseball. You used
to say, like why, you know, what were the why
why didn't they trade that player?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What was available to trade? So it's like, you know, as.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Much as the Viking I mean, I've said this on
the podcast before, if a player like Joe Burrow is
available via trade, I expect the Vikings to do everything
they possibly can to try to make that happen. It's
more a question of what is available, and how far
you know what's available and how far from a cost
perspective is it gonna take to to get to the
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place at which it does become available.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So Alex Lewis just said the Bengals are going to
trade Joe Burrow to the Vikings. No, that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I you know, I feel for Alec because he many
of us have fallen victim to the well you're asked
me about this last week, the dove Climban's the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Footballs in the world get a hold of that?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
And does I'm sure, Oh, I'm sure, and that is
just gorgeous fodder when in actuality he's just answering a
hypothetical question, essentially saying it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But yes, if somehow it was it came to be.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That Joe Burrow were available, obviously the Vikings would be
trying to put together whatever package.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It would take.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He is not, and I don't and I'm sure that
that is essentially the part that is not widely Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I read that Alec was saying that he is not available.
So the Bengals aren't gonna make Joe Burrow available. Everybody
has their price. Smile. I guess no, not in this case.
Not in this case, no, I do not. I could
you imagine? I mean, I'm just I'm trying to trying.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now you're making me wrap my brain around the idea
of this actually happening.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, here's my problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Stupefying you would have to be to hear you thought
you thought the Duke Tobin press conference was an event
after the season ended. How about the one introducing that
they've traded Joe.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Burrow randomly in the middle of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So if that were to happen, not only am I
not taking any days off, this will be a seven
day a week show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I might do a show in the morning and this
one there won't.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Be enough time, and you just you just play calls
over and over again because they're all like ten minute
rants of people screaming it's it's it'd.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Be it would be incredible. It is a fictional universe.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
What's not a fictional universe is the Bengals and their
attempts to fix the pass rush, Hey, which you've written about.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I have multi part series, you know, you know I
have to now Tomorrow is part two. It's the Trey
hendrickson part what's that about a paragraph?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, it's actually I just looked at the final word
count ended up being eleven hundred words.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Really.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, So can I just flash ahead to the very
last passage of this piece, which is part one, which
is looking at options at edge. Yeah, and also including like,
you know, what Miles Murphy did, what Shamar Stewart showed
in what he didn't do. But we did the mock
offf season exercise last week, and this is what I
(17:56):
saw to accomplish. A four man rotation featuring Murphy if
you Stewart, a mid tier free agent and an early
round pick, makes for a potent combination of potential answers
with upside and the most realistic edge outcome over the
next three months.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, sign me up.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, it's kind of I mean, it's the one, it's
the path of least resistance, it's the one that makes
the most sense. It's where you can see the edge
group being pretty good. Because so much of this defense
and now year two of this rebuild is it just
has to be about finding stars out of the guys
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that you draft or the guys that you have in house.
It's just too hard to go find and pay stars.
You're just only gonna find so many. Trey Hendrickson is
that you are lucky that turn into what he did,
and so that's the way to augment that is you're
gonna need Miles Murphy to take a step. Shamar Stewart's
gonna have to become a guy or you're gonna have
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to hit at number ten like all of those with
but raising the floor of that group. And that's sort
of the theme at multiple positions. But specif typically with
the pass rush, bring in somebody who you know can
give you a consistent forty to fifty pressures and seven
to ten sacks or that that hits your system. The
way that you feel would be you know one that
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would work. And there's men, there's names mentioned in there,
and I sort of pinpoint the group that they typically
go after, and so I think that's to me, that
is the most likely outcome. If you know, free agency
does weird things like the Orlando Brown year, where all
of a sudden, it's like Orlando Brown just called right
and things can happen and next thing you know, you're
doing something you didn't expect to. Maybe it could be
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anything there, Maybe it's a trade, maybe it's whatever, But
for the most part, what feels the most likely that
makes sense for where they're at, where they view Miles.
The fact that they have to leave a runway with
for Shamar to grow is to bring in somebody who
you can be in some sort of either rotation or
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take over the edge and Shamara works more inside or
whatever along that's or you can't block him, right, and
so that's going to be a part of this equation.
And so adding all those pieces and let them all
go into the mix and see what comes out feels
like where you can shake that box up and come
up with something pretty.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Well well, And I know because I've done it. What
folks are going to pine for is ruben Bain to
be there. And so if if that were to happen,
if he's there and I can get him continued improvement
from Miles Murphy, some flash from Shamar Stewart, and then
exactly what I pay a mid tier free agent for
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pass rush will be king.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, that will work. Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The bigger issue is and I and there's a lot
of I want people to check in on Part three,
which will not be as rosy as Part one because
The scarcity at defensive tackle is the other part of
this equation, and that's where they need it most. That's
where they've missed it for so long, and so finding
some way to get something out of that spot is
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gonna be the hard part. So if you can find
some way for your edge acquisition to be able to
help you more inside, or maybe it is Shamar doing
more inside on third downs or whatever whatever that looks like,
you may need to have that group help the inside
group because it's a much harder path to project and
see when you talk about what's happening on the end.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Two, I want to address something that came up in
your mail bag.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, was this the message to you? Yeah? Okay, yeah
there was a message right to question. No, okay. I've
submitted questions to you before they've not gotten answer. You
could just text me if you have a question.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
That's not because I don't know how you get the
mail bag questions. And I like, I have this dream
of like you going sifting through them and you see
it and you you either see my name on it
or you know it's from me, But I don't leave
my name and leave some But you know that's a
kind of question I would ask Maurice uh Sports headlines
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
That was first reported by CBS Sports.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Domatow Peckel is apparently going to be the Steelers defensive
line coach. According to Zach Jackson, how about that that hurts? Yeah, man,
I love loved Domatah. Who doesn't I mean that one hurts?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't think that the current
job here was open, But no, yeah, you don't want
to see him in.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Steel Jerry Montgomery, the new Scott Peters in what way
like Scott Peters unit took a big step forward, And hey,
he's a strike technique and he's got to work with
these guys.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And then you know Jerrymunk, who you've written about. There's
gonna be some dudes. He's got to get more out.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I made sure to make a point about him in
there because he does not get enough credit for certainly
what happened with Miles this past year, and he's kind
of has had a track record now where we've seen
guys take really big leaps under his wing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
He deserves more credit than most defensive line coaches get
or probably deserve.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Gotcha.
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(24:47):
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Road against New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Paul Daanner Junior from the Athletic and the Growlar podcast
is here. You did a mailbag, Yes, answered a question
from Lynn T. Lynn Wrights. Thanks for the mock off
season sheet. Really helpful for the free agent season and
the draft. Fill in the blank. The Bengals free agent
season is a success because they signed Blank. Your response,
(25:33):
big fan of filling the blank questions one of the
best sports talk tropes.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, I'm game, we can do fill in the blanks.
You had to do a say mo, I like doing
filling the blank segments. Yeah, that's all you.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Had to do.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, you don't have to send me these messages. I
read everything. I'm gonna get it. But I mean you could.
I gotta do a say love to do fill in
the blanks if you've got time for one.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean, I just you know, I don't. I don't
want to tell you how to do your show. Well
everybody else us. Fine, Now does this mean that we're
about to do fill in the blank set? I got
some fill in the blanks. Let's go all right, Blank.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
There is the biggest contract extension priority.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would say it starts with DJ Turner.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think he's the biggest priority because he has played
at the highest level. But I think because there's other
options with him, Dax Hill might make a little more
sense of getting done.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But I think you're, yeah, they're starting with DJ, that's
the first guy top of the list. I think you
start with your best player.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now you know, they're gonna talk to Ya, They're gonna
talk to Chase Brown, They're gonna talk to Miles, They're
gonna talk to DJ and Dax and everybody, and there's
gonna be some combination. But I do you know, I
think you start with the guy who is the best player,
who will be the most expensive, and that's definitely DJ Turner.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Miles Murphy will finish with blank sacks then signed a
deal for blank million dollars. Well, I'm gonna be the
Miles Murphy guy. Like I want to be the Miles
Murphy guy. Why, guy, I have it already because every
time I every time I say, like, man, Miles Murphy
toward the end of the year was really good, I
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get laughed at. And I think what we saw at
the end of last season portends a breakout twenty twenty
six where we look at him and go Okay, he
could be like Carlos Dunlap two point zero.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Moving to this, I will say this, and this was
in my story today. I remembered before the season doing
this and talking about this stat because there was like, look,
if you're going to be a premier edge, you got
to come through on money downs, like when it's third
and long, that's got to be you. And Trey Henderson
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has lived there and and that's.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Got to be where.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And no one had been worse except for one per
literally the last two years combined, then Miles Murphy entering
this season. I remember pointing this out as the argument
against Miles Murphy, whereas there were a lot of reasons
maybe you could have you could believe, but then until
that changed, it was hard to believe. This year he
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ends up in the top ten amongst all pass rushers
in pressure percentage on third and five or fourth and
five or more. I mean around names that everyone knows, yeh,
Will Anderson, Jeffrey Simmons, Jared Vers, Micah Parsons, Khalil Mack,
Miles Garrett, and in the middle of there is Miles Murphy.
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That's who he was. That's not second half of the
season that's all season. It's pressure percentage. He's still got
to finish better, but that started to be what came
along at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You saw the finish start to show up a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But he was getting pressure in those downs where you
look for your edge to get pressure all year long.
And to me, that's when when you talk about underlying
stats and things that you can see that point to
sustainability over time. That's something you look at and being
surrounded by those names should tell you something because those
are guys that are going to continue to be guys.
And and if he continues to go in that direction, man,
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you there's no reason you can't bet on him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He is not there yet, no, but you see direction.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Because because you're like when we talk about well Trey
Hendrickson and he's not obviously not there yet. But when
you look at this type of stuff, another year development
where he finishes better and you get much more of
what you got that second half of the season. In
that regard, you can start to put up Hendrickson numbers
pretty quick, especially if your team that starts playing from
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a head more often.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, if if last year was Miles Murphy was what
we saw his rookie season.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We would be giddy.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Oh you know. Yeah, So all right, it's come later
than we would have liked. That doesn't mean it can't
still be a part of what they're doing moving forward.
When we sit down in July and talk about things
we shall be excited about. He will be very close
to the top of the list.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. And I would put a double digit number on
on the projection for next year on sacks.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Double.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Of course, the last time I made a double digit
sack projection he got zero, So I can't you know,
maybe grain assault on that, but I think I do.
I do think you saw a legit. It was not fake,
It was not coincidental. It was not taking advantage of
you know, poor tackles or any of that. I think
it was a real sustainable leap and that will end
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up with a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Of sacks next year. You're gonna fill in the blank
of a million of millions of dollars. You can look
up what those guys cost.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Okay, Blank is the best coach in the AFC North.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's a hard one. We've been doing this one, right,
I mean it's been a fun one. I think everybody's
because it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, I don't I disqualify Todd Monkin and Jesse Minter, Okay, don't.
I don't know how you could say that they're the best.
We've never even seen them do the job before. So
Mike McCarthy, I mean, he's had success, he's won games,
he's won super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And versus Zach Taylor, who's had success, he's won games,
he's been to a super Bowl, you'd probably give the
edge to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But you know, I don't know that it's a some
some large gap.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
U Haannio Suarez will hit blank home runs in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's not so many U thirty thirty seven? I had
thirty six.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, okay, it's fair to expect him to do what
he did last year. Uh, but it wouldn't be fun
if he did, you know. But yeah, I think I
think that's that's fair to see it in the in
the forty range.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
All right, this this might be this might be a thing.
Now let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, maybe I will my next male, I'll point out
another sports talk trope that I enjoy in and so
that'll be my way of telling you again, just hinting
at other things I like to do.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
All right, Hang tight, I got more. It's not more
filling the blanks, but more things to discuss. It's quarter four.
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on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.
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away from four o'clock this ESPNT fifteen thirty moagger. Another
few minutes with Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and
the Growler podcast. The latest edition is out. You've made
mention in your mailbag this has been a really slow month,
(33:22):
and so I've I was a little surprised late last
week that you didn't have something ready to go about
Nick Lache's Bengals song.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh okay, here we go, and so you know, here
we go.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I mean, you know, I printed out here in Cincinnati
dot Com. Nick Lache urges Mike Brown to sell Cincinnati
Bengals a new song.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, and you haven't had a chance to write about it, yeah,
because it's not news.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So what I thought we would do is, while you're here,
welcome in. The former lead singer of ninety eight Degrees
and the current host of Love Is Blind.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Cincinnati native Nick Lache is with us NET. Congratulations on
the new song.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Obviously, you've hit a bit of a breaking point here
with the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What was the breaking point for you?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Man?
Speaker 9 (34:10):
Honestly, you know, I'm fifty two. I've been watching the
Bengals for probably forty five of those fifty two years,
so you know, I've seen a lot of very bad
football in my lifetime. And it gotten kind of used
to it and gotten kind of doub to it. But
I think this past season, just the the announcement that
they weren't making any kind of changes to what they
were doing or the way they were doing it, it
(34:33):
just it was my breaking point. You know, this this
idea that we're satisfied with failing here in the here out.
More importantly now is that we're in the peak of,
you know, or what should be the peak of.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Joe Burrow's career.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
Right. I think we all can acknowledge he's the perfect
quarterback for this team. He's a special, special talent. He's
an Ohio kid, he understands Ohio. He's kind of the
perfect fit for the Bengals. And I think when he
came in and I, like a lot of people, thought, well,
this is going to be a chance for the Bengals
to redefine themselves. You know, we're not gonna be the
laughing stock anymore. We're gonna, you know, redefine who we are.
(35:09):
Went to that Super Bowl up here, were away, it's
gonna be a different thing. And now where we've found
ourselves back in this same kind of perpetual cycle. And
so it's just a shame to see that we're we're
going about business as usual with so much at stake
and it's not working, you know, and it just finally
I just couldn't. I couldn't take it anymore. So like
I had to say something. And then, you know, look,
(35:31):
you get to talk on the radio every day. I
get to sing. So that's you know, we do we uh,
we do we know best, and that's I had to
channel it all into a into a song.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It was.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
It was strangely therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh well, Nick, thanks, thanks so much. I know you
have to get back to work.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's the masked singers on the night or something or
if I don't know anyway, So Nick La Paul, I'm
I'm sorry you're not going to get a chance to
ask a question, but there's a direct quote from you
that you could use to write about Nick Lache's dissatisfaction
with the Bengals resulting in what I'm sure is going
to be a song that tops the charts.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, obviously, I know, I appreciate that. I was still
confused what just happened?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I did you? I mean, what is that?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So first of all, you know, we're streaming this hour
on Twitter, and so folks who happened to be watching
got a chance to see your face when that happened,
and that made it work it for me, that was
that part wasn't planned.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
This is gonna be like so I just we just
got done watching.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There was this series called called Dirty Talk about talk
shows in the nineties that was on, and so I'm like,
I've really had like the old Ricky Lake and Jerry Springer,
Jenny Jones, I mean, which ended very badly, but it's
actually an excellent Jenny Jones.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
There was there was a death because of her show.
You had to go to trial. You should watch it. It's great,
sounds sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It actually was. Yeah, actually that not that part, but
lots of old Jerry. Anyway, I've had that on my mind.
And then You're like, I.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Thought he was gonna walk in the door.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I thought it was to be like Jerry and he
was gonna like throw a chair at me or something
like that. Austin's gonna come out of the bath Jerry.
I was ready for it. I mean, I had that
in my head and I'm like, what is happening here?
So all right, I believe in transparency. Yeah, so yesterday
my friend down the hall, John John Atkiss one O seven.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yes, do you want to have Nick Lache on? Like,
all right, sure, what's the most fun that I can
have with this? And then I'm like, well, Paul's here tomorrow.
And Paul doesn't dislike Nick Lache at least I don't
think you do. No, you dislike the fact that what
he says is treated like it's news, like it's big news.
(37:41):
And so he wrote a song last week urging Mike
Brown to sell the team and outlets treat it like
it's news, which, by the way, it is a new
song being released, you know, right right. I mean, when
when a famous artist releases a protest song out of
the blue, it it ends up being news. So and
uh and so I thought, what we'll do is is
(38:01):
I'll tape an interview with Nick and then I'll sort
of ambush Paul with it. I got the It was silent, unfortunately,
but I got the reaction that I was looking for.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I was very confused.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm just happy that this wasn't like an actual tech No,
that's that's that's great.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I still would say that it's not really news. I
would still say that it's pretty clear. But you know what,
I got the number of texts that I got last
Friday and I hadn't seen it, and I was like,
I don't know what's happening, but.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Nick Lache has done something and people really want me
to know about it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, so it's been there's there's been a lot of discussions,
like if there should be some sort of a disc
disc track that I should do on who they like?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Got a microphone in front of you right now.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, I take some time to compose a song. I
guess I don't know, but my my diss again. I
have listened well as long as I could get into it.
I laughed about I could take about twenty seconds of
a song.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm not a lot of ambiguity to it. That's what's
great about it.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No, I think it would be better if like Mike
Brown did this track or something, if we could ever
make that happen.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Do you think like the Brown family on Friday afternoon
quickly convene a meeting, of course, because.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What are we gonna do about the Lache problem? Everyone
gather around Katie, Katie, we've got the worse Katie.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, it's not how this Anyway, I interviewed Nick and
there was a minute of it for you. What else
is on this Are you gonna like drop these in
on me periodic? I might, I might over the course
of the coming It'll be like the Michael Jordan thing
on NBC's NBA, where that's you know, he did one
big interview and they just keep dropping in snippets of
it during the pre That might be what we do
(39:56):
with the Nick Lache interview that I recorded at one
thirty this afternoon. I love it. I love it. I'm
happy for you. I'm happy for you. I got the
look on your face. I just can't believe priceless.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It got dropped apparently last week around the tweet or
whatever I saw it was in the middle of the afternoon.
The fact that I didn't see a push alert until
nine o'clock actually was.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
The upset of the day. Really that it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I just I'm disappointed in those people because they're usually
much faster.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I saw it.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I was sitting in the back of an uber on
my way to an event and I saw it, and
I was trying to come up with like a way
to tweet you, and I'm like, you know, it's Friday evening.
I don't know that this will be received in the
spirit that I wish, So why don't I wait till
Tuesday and then yesterday when my colleagues like, I can
(40:49):
get Nick Lache on and I'm like, all right, we can.
We're cant have fun with that. Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm honest, I'm glad you explained it because I was
very confused.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Jim was like, so I legitimately was like, you know what,
can I get him at three forty five? Can I
just get him on live? And I'm like, nah, that's
not probably the best approach.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, So there it is, well done. Thank you very much.
This has been We've learned so much.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
We have.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Paul Danner Junior read his work on the Bengals. He's
going through the pass Rush Part one today, yes, part
two tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Part three is Thursday. Correct. Wow, all day. That's a
little lot, man, unbelievable. It's incredible. Fill in the space
quite well.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And the latest edition of the Growler podcast came out
earlier today. Watch that on YouTube or listen to it.
As we say, where you get your podcast? We got
auheneos where as to talk about There's a question that
was brought to me that I think as fans we
can't help but ask. I'll tell you what that question is,
coming up at four oh five. My name is Mowegor.
(41:55):
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