2/5/26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Is really, really, really good. This is good. You probably
have no idea what I'm talking about, but that's okay.
This is what's good, right, And you could have done
this last year. But the Red's TV deal with fan
Duel Sports Network has has blown up, and there's a
lot of it that's not good. I guess there's probably

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gonna be some collateral damage. I guess Annie Sabo is
going to be working on Reds broadcast moving forward. And
what drove that decision, I don't know. But Annie is
good at her job. She's been nice to our show,
and so that stings. And with this whole like Red's
TV deal, you know, very selfishly, what I've wondered about
more than anything is what's going to cost in terms

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of jobs? Right, we already have enough media companies just
laying people off and letting people go left and right.
We don't need more. But you're still gonna be able
to watch the games. You're still gonna be able to
watch the games I think the way you have and
that's good. But the fact that this is a subscription model,
largely a subscription model when it comes to the app

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and being able to buy the service, this is good
and we're gonna get to it here in just a second. Also,
we got a college basketball coach crying poor, which is unbecoming.
The possibility of Trey Hendrickson playing for the Baltimore Ravens
has been brought up, and we're gonna go to San
Francisco and talk with our guy, Sean Sayad, who's a
part of our show every week during the football season

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when they're in the Bengals season, He's gonna join us
from San fran to talk about the game, some Bengals topics,
and so much more that coming up at five oh five.
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game for the Bearcats that'll tip off at seven o'clock.
Cincinnati trying to bounce back after getting drubbed by Houston

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on Saturday. So Auhanio Suarez is back with the Reds,
which is great, great because, as we've said often this week,
he solves their biggest issue. Their biggest issue last year
was lack of pop. But he solves another issue, and
this is more emotional than mechanical. For months on end,

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it has felt like the Reds are doing nothing. For
months on end, it has felt like the Reds have
been almost hell bent on having the same team as
last year. Maybe those criticisms have been unfair, but they've
been out there, and I feel like there's been a
malaise that is set in where any excitement that was
there in September from the Reds playoff push was evaporated

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by not getting Kyle Schwarber and then spending much of
the offseason not doing much of anything. There hasn't been
a ton of excitement. That doesn't mean that the Reds
have had mechanically speaking, a bad offseason. They've added some relievers,
some pretty good relievers. It is completely fair to expect
the Reds to have a good bullpen, based on largely

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at least the work done by Nick Krawl, But relief
pictures don't move the emotional meter. Good bullpens don't get
people excited dudes who hit home runs due especially if
dudes who hit home runs are guys who used to
play here and are fan favorites, which is what a
Eugenio Suarez is. And so now there's been a little

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bit of an uptick. By the way, I've seen sports
books that have taken the Reds win total eighty one
and a half and have pushed it to eighty two
and a half or eighty three and a half. Eighty
one and a half. I feel pretty good about eighty
three and a half is a little ambitious, but we
will see. Also, there was a jolt of energy that

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surged through the fan base. I don't know that anybody
looks at the Reds as a team that's gonna be
favored to win the National League. I'm not sure anybody's
gonna look at the Reds as a team that should
be favored to win the National League Central. But still
you could feel it like a little surge of optimism
or at least a sense of relief. Hey, they did something,

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they did something, and they did address their biggest need.
I wonder, and we're not gonna have any way of
knowing this for sure. Red's TV model, now, like last year,
maybe framed a little bit differently. If you are an
Ulti Fiber subscribe and you got FanDuel Sports Network, I

(05:03):
think there's a very good chance you don't have to
do anything. Just Red's TV is gonna pop up and
you'll be able to watch the games. But if you're
a cord cutter and you've you've got to stream it
on an app, well you can. You can buy a
subscription and it's like ninety nine for the year or
nineteen ninety nine per month. So the Reds just came
out with this. How many subscriptions will they have sold

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versus how many subscriptions will they have sold if they
didn't do anything to address their biggest issue? Simply put
pre I you Hanio Suarez, how many folks are like
you know what, I'm just I'm watching my money carefully
and I already pay for a lot of streaming services,

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and I already subscribe to a lot of different things,
and so you know, the Reds didn't really make their
offense any better, so I'm gonna hold off. And then
they signed Souarez and it's like, all right, Like maybe
they are trying. Maybe there's a legitimate effort here, and
maybe this offense and this team, by extension, is going
to be a little bit more interesting and maybe a

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little bit better than I originally thought. This era that
we're in, I think is awesome. For years, teams have
had to sell tickets, and when folks in Cincinnati have
stopped buying tickets the Reds, the Reds have responded. Remember
twenty eighteen. Twenty eighteen was like a low point in

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the history of this franchise. First of all that the
team was terrible, and it was also, let's see, the
fourth consecutive year they lost way more than ninety games,
and in twenty eighteen they had their lowest attendance since
nineteen eighty four. So that offseason, the front office is like, Okay,
it's time to start trying. They went on and got
Y s el Peak and Matt Kemp and Kyle Farmer

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and Alex Wood all in the same deal, and it
was like they had to do something. I think they
felt like they had to do something, and they made
the team a little bit better. Wasn't all that good
in twenty nineteen, but still this franchise has reacted to
folks not buying tickets. But now they got to do
more than sell tickets. They got to sell subscriptions. They've

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got to sell subscriptions, and they've got to get people
to keep renewing their subscriptions. Let's look at it like this.
Let's say you're a month to month buyer of Red's TV,
and you go, okay, nineteen ninety nine a month season's
going to begin in late March. I'll pay the freight
for the first month. Let's see how they do. And
the team is okay in April and the g a right, well,

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I'm not going to bail in the season quite yet.
Let's buy May, and then in May they're wretched, like
they just they have a tough stretch and they fall behind,
and you're looking at the National League Central standings and
they're already like nine and a half, ten and a half,
eleven and a half games out. But you know what, hey,
long season. Okay, fine, I'll buy June. But if things

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aren't any better by June, I'm gonna take that twenty
bucks a month and do something else with it this summer.
And then June comes in there not any better, and
you go, you know what, not only emotionally am I
on to football. I'm done watching Reds games this season,
and I'm done paying extra to have to watch Reds
games this season. This is good. This is good. I

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think to a degree, this could help solve tanking. I
think to a degree this could help solve the Reds
and other teams because there have been many trying to
sell their fans on what the Reds tried to do
in the middle of the twenty tens. Remember that we've
got to rebuild? Can we got a rebuild? The first
time we ever started talking about rebuilds in Cincinnati was

(08:44):
trade deadline twenty fifteen, because that's you know, hit the
EJEC button on Johnny Quato and move on from Mike League.
And that's when rebuild became in an everyday part of
how we talk about the Cincinnati Reds. And you know,
at the time, it's like, all right, rebuild, How long
is that going to take. It's gonna take a while,
and you know, frankly, it's taken a decade, and that

(09:06):
rebuild that started in twenty fifteen, there was never a
real payoff to it, right. The best they did was
make the postseason in the drive through season of twenty twenty.
But you can't go in this era if you're trying
to sell not only tickets but subscriptions to get people
to consume your product. You can't go three four five

(09:28):
years of being totally irrelevant and expect people to watch
when they're having to make a special payment to watch.
It's one thing if you're a cable subscriber or you
have a service where the network that the Reds are
on is a part of the package, and you can decide, well,
I'm just not gonna watch. I'm still kind of paying
for it. It's a part of my package, but I'm

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not gonna watch. It's something else entirely. If you've got
to go out of your way to pay for it,
like you do Netflix, or like you might with Amazon Prime,
it's something entirely. I've got Red's TV for a couple
of months, but dude, July, they're twenty three and a
half games out, I'm good. Or let's see what they
do with the deadline, and the deadline comes and goes

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and they don't do anything, and now you can go,
We'll screw that. They're not getting my twenty bucks a
month for August in September, I'm out this era. It
could be a really good thing. Now. Eventually it feels
like every team is going to be doing something like this.
But it's one thing when you've got to sell tickets,

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and I think teams have often said, well, you know,
we can make up for the lost revenue by being
bad and not selling tickets, by slashing payroll, something else entirely,
something else entirely. And by the way, in many seasons
where teams have been bad, including in Cincinnati, the TV
ratings have always been pretty good. I can tell you this.
In seasons where the Reds have been bad, the radio

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ratings for the games themselves are still really, really good.
But radio is free, which is why it's the best.
And historically TV it's just been a part of a package.
You're not going to cancel cable because the Reds are bad,
but you will cancel your Reds TV subscription. So now
you have something here that you, as a fan can

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use to hold ownership and hold management more accountable. You're
not gonna try it the deadline. That's fine. I'm done
for the rest of the season, not getting my money.
You know what, I'm waiting to see if I'm re
upping my subscription, go do something this off season and
the Reds have. This gives you and I as fans,

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a tiny bit of empowerment. What fan doesn't want to
be empowered? So this era that we're in I think
is better than what we used to be going through.
It's it's better than it used to be, and it's
taking some getting used to. I understand that you're gonna
find some cord cutters who are like, look, I'm just
paying for the entire season. I don't want to worry

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about it. By the way, that would be me. I'm
not yet a cord cutter for what it's worth. But
you're gonna have a lot of folks, you know, like
there there are people who they get rid of Netflix.
So they get rid of Peacock because a favorite show
is is is finished in first run, or you know what,
I was subscribing and now I get other stuff I

(12:19):
want to pay for and so I hate to do it,
but this is going to be the service that I cancel.
Now Cincinnati Reds games are going to be a part
of that discussion. You're going to be a little bit
more discerning. You've got the power to cancel. You've got
the power to not pay for something if you're not
getting what you're looking for out of it. This is,

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in a small, small way, a really good era for
fan empowerment because not only now can you say I'm
not gonna buy tickets, now you could say I'm not
going to subscribe to watch the games at home. Sixteen
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Maybe it is you might agree, you may not. We'll
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Why are their events happening before the opening ceremonies?

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I was about day.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I thought that the ceremonies was Friday. Since tomorrow, right
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we already have a qualification run too. In the men's
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we'll keep you up to date on what's happening in
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Jay Canter from the US is currently in eighth place.
I gotta see what odds we can get him out.
I decided this year because my college basketball teams aren't
very good, I'm gonna be all into Thelympics all in,
like I like the Olympics, like the Olympics a lot.

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Olympic hockey is the best. But like this year, I'm
gonna go overboard. But I'm also going to pretend like
I'm an expert on all the sports. So I'm gonna
like chime in on social media, which is a great
place to sort of show your expertise that nobody was
aware of. And I'm gonna go on and explain, like,
you know, well, why this Bob's letter was the better
bobsledter of the other bob's letters. And I might do

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it here. In the men's Big Air snowboarding competition, which
is currently being led by Japan's h Ogiwara I don't
know what the age stands for. We don't have a
guy in the top six, but I will keep you
up to date and let you know what's happening. And
this is oh we Yeah. Canter's an eighth and our

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Gerard from the US is in tenth, so we've got
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Bearcats coming up in just about twenty minutes. I've said
a few times on this show that I am a
huge admirer of the University of Houston's basketball program, which

(16:57):
the Cougars have. Another great team rank in the top ten.
Last night destroyed a pretty good UCF team by twenty
four points. Kingston Flemings. If I rooted for an NBA
team that had a top ten pick in the draft,
that would be who I wanted. Not the number one
pick in the draft, but that would be who I wanted.
He just looks and feels like a Houston basketball player.

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I admire that program because A they have an identity,
and it's never been more difficult to carve out an
identity in college basketball. B. For the most part, the
identity they have is the one that you see used
to have, and so I'm envious. But I really admire
that program. I wanted Houston badly to win the national

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championship last year, and barring some miraculous run by one
of the teams that I root for, that's who I
want to win it this year. Kelvin Samson, the Kelvin
Sampson rebrand has been I think, really fun to watch.
Disgraced former IU coach is probably gonna be in the
Nate Smith Memorial Hall of Fame because of his work

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at Houston and obviously prior to that Oklahoma. But this
is weak. I'm sorry. This is Kelvin Sampson after last
night's twenty four point victory, crying poverty on behalf of
the Houston Athletic Department.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Now, we participate in the NIO just like everybody else.
We know what our kids market value is. I mean
they're trust me, they're not starving here. They're getting They're
getting exactly what the market is for them. But you know,

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we have a very poor athletic department.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're poor.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
You know, we're poor when I got here, and we're
still poor. We probably have the lowest budget of anybody
in power for you know, and you know the way
our recruiting is going, we have to stop at some
point because we don't have enough money to keep bringing
in really good players. And that's not easy for us
to do. People ask about recruiting. You know, teams that

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have the best recruiting classes usually have the most money.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's the way it is today.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, like we we know, uh you know, we signed
uh I Kenna and Arathon early. You know a lot
of these kids we have will come back. But who
knows what else will all sign be thereu's how much.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Money we have.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
It's not about who do we want to sign, it
is who can we afford to sign. And even even
though we've been doing this h nil thing that it
still feels funny for me to even say that. It's
like a culture shot that that's coming out of my
mouth because for so many years it's illegal to do that.
But it's legal now. That's why they call it nil.

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Now it's legal.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Just quickly here he Houston has qualified for the last
six Sweet sixteens, the last three NCAA tournaments, They've been
a one seed. They were this close to winning a
national championship last year. And maybe they're doing all of
that in spite of having a quote poor athletic department.

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Here's what I'm looking for. He may be right. I'm
sure in comparison to other Big twelve schools, other schools
in the state of Texas, but they could pay for
players pales in comparison. Now, I'd be willing to bet
a guy like Travis Steele's over there or a guy
like Rich Patino's over there going. I'd like to have
those problems. Also, Houston has football. Do what you want
with that, I'm looking for the first college football or

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basketball coach who will publicly say, you know what, we're
we're actually flush with cash. Maybe that's happened and I
missed it. We are, We're loaded. In fact, we don't
don't need any more money. We're good, right a check
to something else donated to the school's academic endeavors. I

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am mostly all in on ANIL have been for a while.
Certainly believe that there should be more regulation than there is.
I don't know how we get there. But the one
thing I don't like about this is like everybody has
their pockets out. Now, everybody's got their hands out. Now
when you're losing, it's an excuse, and now when you're winning,

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it's a preemptive excuse in case the winning stops. I
like Kelvin Samson. I'm gonna admire of his program. When
you're twenty and two, nobody wants to hear about how
poor you are. By the way, there's never going to
be a level playing field in college boards because there
never has been. Somebody is always going to have more,
somebody's always going to have more resources. That was the

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case ten years ago. It was the case eighty years ago.
It's getting me the case twenty years from now. But
the sort of like crummy part about this is is now,
if you lose, it's it's our finances. It's what we
don't have financially. Now. When you win, yeah, but when
we lose, it's going to be because we don't have

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enough money. So keep pumping money into those golfers. Twenty
nine away from four o'clock. Let's make some money on
the Super Bowl at least early.

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We need our guy Lee Sterling Paramount sports dot com.
A staple of our show during the regular season. College
and pro football makes us a lot of money. We
have them on on the Thursday before the Super Bowl
every year. So talk about the game, some props inside
the game, maybe some props that have nothing to do
with the game, and of course his daughter's famous national

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anthem over underpick. Lee is on Twitter at Paramount sports
dot com. How you been, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I'm good. Came up forty yards short in the National
Championship Game, but other than that, can't complain quite a run.
So feel pretty good about the run, and feel good
that Hurricanes football looks like we're finally back.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
It sure does, it sure does. Let's you're back too,
So let's let's talk. Let's talk about some actual, like
football related props first.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Right, Okay, So most people love to play who's going
to score the first touchdown? It is so random that
if you're wagering on this with serious money, probably not
the way to go here. So I would rather take
a player who I think will score during the game,

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And I think the best guy is probably someone like
Kenneth Walker, the third running back for Seattle. Anytime touchdown
minus one twenty, take a shot on him.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
You know, if you got twenty twenty five people.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
At the party you're going to and you want to
just put names in a hat, then you can do
first down at a time touchdown. That would be fun
that way. A couple others. There's a couple of receivers.
I'm looking at Cooper cup Wide receiver for Seattle over
two and a half receptions. The Patriots love to use
a lot of zone defense. He's really good at reading

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zone defenses and knowing where to go, what seem when
to sit down in these zone defenses, and they're starting
to use them worse. I'll take Cooper Cup over two
and a half receptions. Two receivers. I like, either going
four or against them. For the New England Patriots Mac Hollins,
so he's only going to catch probably two or three passes,

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but when they do, you're not going to see many
flanker screens from him. They use him to go down
the field.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
He's six y four two twenty.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Physical long arms. They have him as over fifteen and
a half yards longest reception. I love that. I'll go
over there and Stefan Diggs. Four and a half receptions
is his number, and it's probably because he's caught four
and five balls the last two games, but I think
he's lost a step and he's going to face a

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lot of Manda Man coverage. So I'll go under four
and a half receptions here for Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
All right, Lee Sterling is with us from Paramount sports
dot com. Are there any props outside of the game
itself you want to give me?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
So I don't do the gatorade or anything like that.
Most of those will come out this afternoon, tonight or
tomorrow morning. We'll study those more.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
As you know, we love the national anthem, Yes, and
maybe this year more than most years. The first nine
times my daughter did it pretty easy. The last two
years have been tough. Two years ago, Reeveen McIntyre, my
daughter had the under the under, but she decided to
sing the last line home with the brave twice right.

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And so what happened was most books paid it both ways.
They figured, hey, we're gonna most don't allow more than
five hundred dollars to be what bet on that wager,
so it's a good will gesture. They paid both sides.
Last year she liked the under, didn't love it. She
said it's going to be tight. Boy was it tight.

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Came in by anywhere from a half a second to
a second. So she's right now we'll call it a
ten oh in one. So this year, Charlie Poot is
going to be singing the national anthem. He's never sung
it before. Never, there's no video, no sporting event he
has ever sung it. So you're saying, well, how can

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you handicap him singing over under a minute in fifty
nine and a half seconds, Well, He actually did an
interview my daughter found with Ryan Seacrest a little over
two weeks ago. He said he takes it seriously, said
that the other New Jersey native that did it with
him has done the national anthem, Whitney Houston is the

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gold standard. No one will touch that. But he said
he's going to do it differently. And he he's a
composer also, and he said he's going to do it
with a choir and an orchestra. So I have a
feeling and she does too, that it's going to play
out a little longer than normal. So it sits right

(28:31):
now at a minute in fifty nine and a half seconds.
She likes the over a lot on that.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
All right, very good. The track record is unimpeccable or unimpeachable,
so you can't argue with your daughter. Game itself, Seattle,
the line has held study at four and a half
since it came out late. We should go this past
Sunday to post a total forty five and a half.
Do you feel strongly either way about one of the other.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I actually like the game now. The last seven years
team less having tries, the team has been favored by
four more points. Oh to seven against spread. The last
time a favorite it's covered by more than four points
was going back to Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis culture
of the Chicago Bears. I feel that New England's not
quite there yet. I think by being able to play

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Denver in the AFC Championship was to their supreme advantage
and could have lost that game. If they would have
gone down ten to nothing might have been different. But
Sean Payton decided to go for a fourth and one
early in the first late in the first quarter, and
they never were able to mount anything after that point,

(29:41):
lost ten to seven. I think that something's wrong with
Drake May's shoulder. He's thrown eight interceptions in the last
thirteen games. Also, it's about explosive plays in the NFL,
and right now Romande Stevenson is fine, he's playing well,
but he's due to fumble. I would if I was them,

(30:01):
I would probably look to maybe move more into Henderson
into the lineup. He has I think three or four
runs of more than fifty yards for touchdowns. But let's
Stevenson fumbles that. It doesn't look like it's going to
be the case. So I think that Seattle's legion of
Boom Defense is right there. They probably forced a fumble

(30:24):
in an interception. I think Sam Darnold has finally figured
it out. I'm gonna take Seattle Lay the four and
a half. I have winning twenty seven to sixteen.

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I'm off Tuesday because my daughter's school plays at five o'clock,
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This time we talked with our friend, your friend, our guy,
Chad Rendall, Bearcat Journal dot com, u SE in West
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(33:21):
Mountaineers after losing the first game in Morgantown. Game tips
off at seven o'clock tonight. Full coverage at Bearcat Journal
dot com. Chad, how's it going.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
I'm good, Moe. Just just drop the daughter off at
Hot Pilates, getting ready to make my way towards Fifth
Third Arena. Wow, what an exciting Thursday.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
It really sounds like it. It sounds like an amazing Thursday.
Is Seanabayev gonna play for the Bearcats again this year?

Speaker 8 (33:50):
I mean if his ankle heels Yeah, what benefit I
had this question asked last night on the bcjpod. What
benefit would he have to shut it down? He hasn't
played well, right, so if he's gonna play college basketball
again next year, like he needs to come back and
play well down the stretch of the season. Like the

(34:13):
he's obviously not gonna I mean, he might do it,
but he's not gonna be selected in the NBA draft,
so like he has to help his value on the
open market. So I mean, I just don't see, Like,
if his ankle gets back to healthy, it doesn't make
any sense for me for him to shut it down

(34:34):
because nobody's gonna have a positive opinion of him at
that point.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Will Jalen Haynes play for the Bearcats this season?

Speaker 8 (34:42):
If ever, that's a tougher question. The problem there is
logic would say sit it out, get a waiver play
next year, but from my understanding, that's not a guarantee.
He would have to go through the NCAA to get

(35:05):
a waiver on a season where he competed in games back.
I think his second year in college basketball, and they've
cracked down on some of what his waiver case would be.
So there's a possibility this is his last opportunity to

(35:25):
play college basketball. They know more about that than I do,
so I couldn't tell you one hundred percent what the
thinking is there, but there is a chance that his
only ability to play college basketball to finish out this season.
That said, Mo, he's still doing non contact stuff at practice.

(35:48):
That's a long way to go from and he hasn't
played since late June early July, and he's still not
doing contact work. I don't know that he would physically
be able to play even if you know they got
to a point where he wanted to.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Are they gonna beat West Virginia tonight?

Speaker 8 (36:12):
I think so, But with with the inefficiency inconsistent. They
are consistently inconsistent, which I feel like is something we've
said too many times over the last five years. The
splits this year say much better at.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Home than on the road.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
They should have beat West Virginia. At West Virginia, you
would think you'll get a much more advantageous performance from
Gisel James and Dayde Thomas than we've seen on the road.
So I think they're better than West Virginia playing at home.

(36:56):
But then again, with the way that they struggle to
close out games, they could have the game in hand
with two minutes left and and still not end up
victorious like we saw in Morgantown. So if I was
wagering your money, I would bet on the Bearcats. If
I was wagering my money, I'd probably just keep it

(37:16):
in my pocket.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That that sounds like the prudent the prudent action there,
Chad Brendle's with his Bearcat journal dot com. I played
the audio earlier of Kelvin Sampson crying poverty for his
athletic department. Have you heard a coach in college basketball
or college football talk about how flushed their athletic department
is with money?

Speaker 8 (37:41):
I guess not. You know what we had Mark Students
a couple of years ago, like basically telling the fans,
we're losing because you're not giving us enough money. That
was that was a great look. That really that really
did him well. I think that was the start of
his demise. No, I don't think so. But what Kelvin saying,

(38:03):
They're going to have to cut back on their spending,
So what they're only going to get two five stars
next year. That's three five star players this year. One
of them is the top five player in the sport
in Kingston Flemings and Chris Sinak has been excellent over
the past two weeks or so for Houston, Like, oh,

(38:24):
save me the low as me. Kelvin Samson's not going
to be able to build a roster. And plus Bo
that's a guy that was paying players under the table seven, eight,
ten years ago, Guy Dondireau. Yeah, he got money to
transfer to Houston. So like, spare me the indignation on

(38:47):
how the sport is being ruined just because you don't
have the advantages that you had when they weren't letting
everybody cheat miss me on that.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Just one of the few things I don't like about
this is when you're losing, this is just the go
to excuse, right, it's it's not my fault, it's we
don't have enough money. But now when you're winning, it's
an excuse in case we somehow end up continuing to
not win. I got to get out in front of
it by just saying like, ah, we're winning in spite
of what we don't have financially.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
Yeah, it's it's just a crunch, and and they're all
leaning on it one thousand percent. Like, I wonder how
many of the big donors are like, man, I just
cut a three million dollar check for you to buy
good players. What do you mean you don't have enough
money to.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Buy a roster.

Speaker 8 (39:40):
That's what I want to hear. I want to hear
the expos a from a donor and it's like, and
I gave them all the money I had. I'm bankrupt
now because I paid for this roster?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
How much? In the sport as a whole. This doesn't
have to necessarily be about u CEO though obviously that's
that's the school, that's the athletic department you cover. You
hear the term donor fatigue even for winning programs. I've
got to think that not only has that set in,
but it's going to start to become almost reality for

(40:11):
so many programs, including possibly here.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
Yeah, that's the big thing. That's why everybody talks about
having like billionaire donors. Right right, If I've got three
hundred dollars and you want twenty of it, like, that's
that's you know, a substantial amount of like dollars. I'm
giving you. If I have five thousand dollars and you
want twenty, that's a little bit more reasonable, right.

Speaker 9 (40:36):
So the donor fatigue.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
Part, like there are going to be these large state
land grand institutions that are just going to be better
able to sustain this a place like Cincinnati, like there's
not a billionaire donor. There's not a guy that you
can just hey, write me some checks and make everything okay.

(41:00):
So then you're leaning on guys that you know might
have a hundred million or two hundred million, which is
an absurd amount of money. But people that have that
amount of money didn't get there by giving large percentages
of it away turn on investment.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So well, I think Chad went away. I think we
lost him. That's okay, that is all right. Chad needs
a billionaire to help fund better sell service. Chad Brendle
bearcadturnal dot com on Twitter at Chad Brendle. We are
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(41:39):
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(42:13):
good chance you're not paying attention to what's happening with
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I don't believe they get nearly enough credit for. I'll
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(42:34):
quickly to dovetail off what Chad and I were just
talking about. We played the Kelvin Sampson audio before. I
think there's two things about the griping about nil money.
Number One, if the idea is for everybody to be
on a level playing field, that's never going to happen.
It's never happened in the history of college sports, never

(42:55):
prior to nil becoming a thing in twenty twenty one,
where Ohio State and US see on the same level.
No I'm as big of a Bearcat fanashill find and
there was never going to be anything that leveled that
playing field. Now, the transfer portal has, I think, allowed
for a wider distribution of talent where you know, you

(43:15):
got guys who don't want to be backups at a
place like Ohio State, but they're Ohio State caliber players,
and they go and find a place that they might
not have ordinarily gone to because they can start. And
so a place that ordinarily might not get a player
that good now gets them because there's at least opportunity.
But you know, the widening of the gap because of

(43:38):
nil like a sout recap, isn't going to change things
that dramatically. It will have an effect, and I'm not
entirely opposed to it, but we've never had level playing
fields in college sports. There's a reason why we've had
so much movement among coaches, right because they're always you know,

(44:00):
it's interesting. You never hear coaches talk about how there
has to be a cap on their salaries.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
Do you.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Know you never hear, well, you know, the coach at
Central Michigan should make as much money as the coach
at Michigan. You never hear that it's not realistic, nor
is it realistic to expect schools to spend all the
same on recruiting and travel and marketing and all the
different things they invest in. And that's been the case

(44:29):
for a very long time. I don't recall anybody complaining
about it, you know, back in the day, and I
guess to a degree, maybe we'll say it's credit. But
back in the day, when Mick Cronin first became the
basketball coach at you see, he loudly made the case
for like I got to be able to have planes
at my disposal. I need to be able to jump

(44:51):
on a plane and go on recruiting trips. I need
my team to charter it, you know, when Bob Huggins
was the coach. And this isn't just to uce thing,
but like they're still flying commercial for the most part,
whether it was for recruiting or making trips to go
play road games or neutral site games. Uh. And Mick

(45:11):
was like there were folks who like said, well, mixed
whining too much and like Mick does complain, say what
you want, but he's whining too much. Point was like,
I'm at a disadvantage here because of travel. I'm at
a disadvantage here because my team's gonna fly commercial. I'm
going to disadvantage here because me or my staff wants
to go see a dude go recruiting, like I gotta,

(45:32):
I gotta go to Expedia and book a flight on Delta,
and I'm at the mercy of the airlines. And by
the way, much of that got rectified. But there have
always been inequities. Twenty eighteen NCAA tournament, Xavier and UC
played in the same place. Xavier flu u see bust.
You know, Like so this, this search for a level

(45:55):
playing field is a search for something that's never existed
in the In the mid two thousands, UC started to
spend more money on football recruiting, but I think even
at the height of Brian Kelly, they were still maybe
the lowest team in terms of Big East recruiting expenditure rankings.

(46:20):
I don't know that I needed to quite put it
that way. Never been a level playing field, So you
really want to level of the playing field. Let's have
everybody operate with the same recruiting budget. Let's give everybody
the same TV and media money. Right, Let's put a
limit on what schools can invest in facilities. We're obviously
talking about amazingly unrealistic things, and that's okay. But this

(46:45):
search for a level playing field is a search for
something that we've never said we wanted before, and now
somehow we're looking for it. I think the other thing
is Chad used the perfect word before his phone died. Crutch,
Like this is the only part of it that I really, really,
really dislike. It's a crutch. My team underperformed. We didn't

(47:07):
make a bowl game, we didn't compete for a league title,
we had no chance of playing in the playoff. We're
not a tournament team. It's not your coaching, it's not
your decision to recruit these particular players. It's not your
ability or lack thereof to blend a team together, none
of that. It's money beyond my control. Money. It's a crutch.

(47:33):
It's a crutch for bad teams being coached by people
who underperform. It's also now going to become a crutch
for the coaches who are killing it. Calvin Sampson's got
a team that's got a chance to win the national
title this year. But hey, in the event that the
good times cease, not my fault not enough money. I mean,

(48:00):
it's it's not unlike baseball owners, like so much of
what has been exasperating about being a baseball fan for
the last you know, really thirty years has been just
the non stop, just incessant pulling out of the empty
pockets by small market owners and the sorry, we just
and by the way, it's it's at times not even

(48:20):
small market owners. The Cubs have done this. Previous ownership
of the New York Mets did this. And you know,
when something is said repeatedly, eventually there are gonna be
people who buy it. That's happened in baseball.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, there's financial inequities. We all know what they are.
But we've allowed financial inequity in baseball to be an
excuse to be a crutch or we're not winning. But
surely it's not your inability to develop players. Surely it's
not the players who invested in underperforming. Surely it's not
decisions being made in the dugout. It's well, we just

(48:57):
we don't have any money. And now you're seeing that
in college sports, it's a crutch. I mean, I like
Scott Saderfield. I know opinions on him are aren't very
high right now because and understandably so, because of what's
happened in November and any amount of frustration being aimed
at him. I think he would be the first to

(49:17):
admit he deserved but right when the season ended. He
did it in an interview with Tony Pike, right after
I think the last regular season game of the year,
where he talked about, like, need more money. I'm paraphrasing
him here, like after your team has lost it's what
was it, fourth consecutive game to end the season. That's
not what anybody wants to hear. It may be true
in many cases, but now it's the crutch, pull out

(49:42):
your empty pockets. Don't have any cash. Not me, It's
not our coaching, it's not the coaches I hired. It's
it's not the players that we chose not being as
good as we thought. It's well, we don't have any money.
And that's There's so much about nil and play compensation
that I love, that is fair, that is overdue. I

(50:04):
can't think of a college sports fan that doesn't want
some degree of regulation. I do. But the biggest part
I don't like about this is it's it's now just
built in. If we stink. It's money we can blame.
And when you blame money, you're you're really blaming fans.
You might be blaming the more well healed fans among fans,

(50:24):
but you're you're still blaming fans. But it's it's like
blaming a team's bad attendance for it not winning in
the pros. We'll have enough money. By the way, there's
some there have been some really brazen college coaches. Kenny Dillingham,
the coach at Arizona State, toward the end of the season,
like was blatantly saying, like, hey man, there's got to
be restaurants in this area that should you know, give

(50:47):
our players like a thousand bucks a name of sandwich
after him. Now, my counter to that was, if you
own a restaurant, take that thousand dollars and give it
to a line cook or a bar back, or a
server or a host or hostess. But and I get,
I get like they're they're all trying to earn as
much money for their programs as possible, but it's it's

(51:09):
just become the go to and in it, like college
programs weren't sticking their hands out for money for all
sorts of things to begin with. But now even before
your roster isn't nearly as good, we're hearing about how
poor you are. Like that's it's going to get so fatiguing.
That's the off putting part about this era that we're in.

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You're in the middle of a yawn the producer of
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Sometimes when we go to Mike, we catch him like
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I think, Mike, how you doing.

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That?

Speaker 9 (53:04):
Was rude?

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What? What was rude?

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Well?

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I might be nappy.

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Sometimes we go to you and you're either napping that's
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Gotcha? Okay, now my first question to you listen is
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Speaker 3 (54:07):
Now I'm perked up, I'm ready to go. What else
is on your mind?

Speaker 9 (54:11):
Okay? Why are you the publicist for Houston Cougars?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Why am I the publicist for the Houston Cougars. I
just spent five minutes ripping their coach?

Speaker 9 (54:21):
Yeah, but you love that team?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I do?

Speaker 9 (54:23):
You love that team?

Speaker 3 (54:24):
I do? Yes? I love how they play. Yes. I've
explained this to you before, Mike. I think in this
era of college basketball, it's increasingly difficult for a program
to have an identity, and yet they do. Would you
disagree with that?

Speaker 9 (54:41):
Yeah, but I think it's the identity is gonna start
fading away because they're too slow, They're not.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
The most athletic team. They're also twenty and two playing
in the Big twelve.

Speaker 9 (54:52):
Yeah, I'm not so sure. The Big twelve a lot
better than the Big Ten this year.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
But anyway, you know, everybody, every time I mentioned Houston,
you seem to take issue with the fact that I
give you the same explanation all the time. They're twenty
and two, They've made five consecutive Sweet sixteens. They were
in the National Championship Game last year, like, all right, so,
and they're twenty and two this season.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
What is there not to like listening?

Speaker 9 (55:17):
When I've been listening to you for a long time,
until the last few years, I never heard you even
ever mentioned the Houston koude.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Right, because it was within the last few years that
that identity. Why would I have mentioned them seven years ago?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Hegan?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Why would I have mentioned them seven years ago? I
don't know, right, I wouldn't have. But Mike, you have
asked me this like four times, and I've given you
the same answer every single time. As a UC fan,
I think Houston has Cincinnati's identity lead the country and
playing hard, hard and knows tough defense, smart players, high IQ,

(55:56):
they rebound the hell out of the ball, and in
some respects they do things that even my favorite UC
teams didn't do as well. They run great half court stuff.
But in this era of college basketball, like right now,
what is Kentucky's identity? What's Louisville's identity? What's Michigan's identity?
Those are you know, Michigan's really good team, Louisville's good,

(56:18):
Kentucky's okay. What are the identities of those programs? There's
only a handful that I can give it to you.
I think Alabama in recent years offensively have been something
to behold. I'll give them credit for that. Under Natoates,
what's Duke's identity right now? Duke was in the final
four last year? What is that program's identity? That's no
knock on any of those programs. And it's really hard

(56:39):
with so much roster turnover for you to be able
to say, I know what this program is going to
bring to the table every single year. You could say
that about Houston. Would you disagree? No?

Speaker 9 (56:49):
But they don't win the tournament?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
So what So the only measure of whether you can
admire a program is that they win the tournament. That
means no UC basketball team in the last sixty plus
years was deserving of attention. That means that no Xavier
basketball team in history was deserving of attention. You really
believe that Saint John's basketball has never won the NCAA tournament,

(57:14):
Purdue has been in one final four, IU hasn't won
a title in forty years, but there has There haven't
been teams in those programs that we should celebrate. There
haven't been Hall of Fame coaches. There haven't been players
deserving of individual accolades. Like if the only measuring stick, Mike,
there's three hundred but more than three hundred and fifty
Division one basketball teams. If the only one that we

(57:36):
could give any credit to is the team that wins
the tournament, following this sport is going to totally suck.
How many? What's your favorite college basketball team? What? No,
Mike again, you asked this question all the time, and
God love you, I give you the same answer. What
is your favorite college What is your favorite college basketball program?

(58:01):
Louisville is your favorite college basketball program? Would you like
to have? Okay, what is your absolute favorite college basketball program?
All right? If I told you the Bearcats. Over the
next five years, we'll go to five consecutive sweet sixteens,
two final fours, and play for the national championship, but
not win it. Would you sign up for that?

Speaker 9 (58:23):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Of course.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
I get your point. I'm not gonna bring it up again.
And I didn't mean to get your damage.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I like, there's certain like I don't understand why this
bothers you. I mean, in our entire audience, I've not
heard any pushback to like, God, Houston's really good. I
wish we were like that. Boy, Houston's got this like
the same team every year, Like it bothers you for
some reason, Like don't be bothered by the teams that

(58:50):
are good. By the way, I've just been five minutes
ripping the coach for what he said, But don't hate
the programs that are good, hate the ones that underachieve.
But if the only measuring stick is you in the
national title, oh boy, then then following this program, following
this sport is going to be almost pointless.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
No, I just I get well, your affinity for this
program has then since they were in the same conference
with UC, So I get it now.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I think they've been in the same conference with UC
for a long time now.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. It is import than the AAC.
They were in the AAC.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, they they played UC in the AC Tournament championship
game in twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. Cincinnati won both.

Speaker 9 (59:37):
All right, I won't bring it up again now my
blood pressure is too No, it's not really. Hey, I heard,
to change the subject. I heard they traded a Bretseuito
to the Halos.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Right, well, he signed as a free agent.

Speaker 9 (59:50):
He signed a free agent, so he's got to pitch
at the Big A, which is the fourth oldest ballpark
in the major leagues, and that still astounds me.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, but it only hosted one World Series, Mike, So
does it matter?

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
No, not really.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
It kind of sits off the freeway. It's not as
nearly as attracted as Dodger Stadium. But well, I just
thought it was pretty cool because most people wouldn't you
think of Fenway and Rigley, maybe the Dodgers Stadium, but
never I never heard anybody say the fourth you know,
the Big A. I never heard anybody say that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I think you're right. I think if you ask most
baseball fans to name the five oldest parts, they would
easily get the first two, right. They would they would
get Dodger Stadium. I'm not sure they would get Anaheim.
And then also in the top five I believe is
Kansas City.

Speaker 9 (01:00:39):
I'm not sure. I just looked at the top four
and then I got distracted with some kind of interveners.
Intervenous got Okay, So I wanted to ask you guys
about what you might like from the uh, the super Bowl,
not just some hats off and along the Yeah, I

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just just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
I want some, Mike, I want some Houston Cougar's.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
Gear from the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
No, I just I want you to take the money
that you were going to spend on the super Bowl
and some some super Bowl gear and buy some Houston
Cougar's gear for me. Okay, I really I really don't
want any. I really don't want any Houston Cougar's gear.

Speaker 9 (01:01:27):
Such a trip, Karen, What do you want from this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
What do you want from the super Bowl? Tearing you anything?
Just like a hat?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I like hats, which.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
You just want one that has like a super Bowl
logo on it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, you just have super Bowl logo on it. Neither
team matters.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I want you to Here's what I want you to do, Mike.
I want you to to find like you know, I like,
I like hoodies. I like to wear hoodies. I want
you to find a hoodie that you think I would like,
and I want you to look at the price tag
and whatever that cost is. I want you to take
that money and do something nice for someone with it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Oh, I'm always good at that, all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Right, that's what That's what I want.

Speaker 9 (01:02:09):
No, no, no, no, I still am going to get
you the hoodie. Do you want a hoodie with an
affiliation or no affiliation for either team? It's a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I want, I want. I would just want to like
a regular Super Bowl hoodie. But I want you to
find a hoodie. And super Bowl merch is expensive. So
if you see one that's like one hundred and fifty dollars,
I want you to take that one hundred and fifty
dollars and I want you to do something nice for
someone else. Maybe give it to a children's charity, or
maybe give it to someone that you know could could
use a break on their groceries. I want you to

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do something nice for someone instead of sending me more
merch that I don't need.

Speaker 9 (01:02:44):
I do that all the time anyway. I just sold
my house finally, finally sold my house at Fort Thomas
gott So only took about five years, but I got
a little little money now on the side, feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Kind of call, well, well, in that case, I'll take
I'll take a hoodie, I'll take a game program, maybe
a hat. Uh you know, man, is there is something
for my kid that you could get. I want you
to do something nice that.

Speaker 9 (01:03:08):
What about Crosley? No, well, let's let's focus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
On Crosley has more clothes than she knows what to
do with. She does, there's there's a lot of My
wife also has more clothes than she knows what to
do with. She wears a uniform to work, so you
know she doesn't really care.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
Okay, And one last thing, if you give me a time, well,
go ahead. I'm looking at this Dodger's lineup since they've
got Tucker in there, scary. It's not even fair. But
I just want you to let people know that it's
time to start practicing pictures and catchers and reporting. It's

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time to start practicing with the preseason baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
On the home Dog, well, I would I would not
suggest you bet on spring training games beyond the first
five innings, but the home Dog strategy is, well, yeah, practice,
but here's the thing. In spring training, they don't play series.
And the whole, the whole philosophy behind the home dog
strategy is betting a series. In spring training, they don't

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play series.

Speaker 9 (01:04:16):
But my point is is to start looking at the
games daily and getting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
In the half of the studying the lines. I understand.
All right, well you're calling, you're calling us from a
radio row tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:04:28):
I'm gonna do my best, brother, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
All right, tell me what time you're gonna call. I
will make sure I'm not talking about the Houston Cougars
in the moments before you call them.

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
I'm not bringing them up again.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
I'm sorry, I really feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Enjoy What are you guys taking a bus to you?
How are you get into San Francisco?

Speaker 9 (01:04:45):
Well, they got a van for us. It's really pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Nice man.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
It's not a Calm Brady van or anything, but it's
a nice van. And then we're gonna be staying in
San Mateo, which is right on the other and San
Mateo Bridge can the peninsula to to the to them
to the city.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
And you're going to the game with a bunch of
other men or men and women who have served the country.

Speaker 9 (01:05:11):
I'm going with three other veterans who have They're all
men who have purple at least one purple hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
All right, here's what I want you to do. Take
the money that you're gonna use to buy merch for me.
I won't speak for Terran, and I'm sure beers at
the Super Bowl are not cheap. I want you to
take that money and buy around of beers or two
for the people you're with who deserve it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
Okay, yep, all right now, but i'll call you tomorrow
because we're leaving. Actually we're leaving kind of late tonight.
It's kind of weird, but that's what we do. And
you know what Sam MITTAYO is Tom Brady's hometown.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Oh well, maybe you'll meet Tom Brady.

Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
I doubt all right, I'll call you to more. Thanks
for the time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, well, buy Terran whatever he wants, but take the
money you're going to spend and buy buy round of beers.
Buy a couple rounds of beers for the the men
you're going to be at the game with.

Speaker 9 (01:06:05):
Okay, go sure, well, thanks them out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Twenty six away from five o'clock. He doesn't need to
tell us he's gonna call tomorrow. It's it's implied the
days where we don't take his call. That's I should
share the emails he sends. I hope Mike has up
blast at the super Bowl sports headlines and made Trey
Hendrickson end up with the Baltimore Ravens. That amazing sports

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Give credit words due Bleacher Reports. Alex Ka did a

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series of free agency projections and he has Trey Hendrickson
signing with the Baltimore Ravens, writing the Ravens will be
looking to make a splash in free agency to open
the post John Harbaugh era. With jesse Minter now at
the helm, Baltimore could steal Hendrickson away from an AFC
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pass rushing unit that must improve. In twenty twenty six,
Baltimore's thirty sacks this past season tied for the third
fewest in the league and marked as significant regression from
the fifty four second most in the NFL the team
amassed the prior year. Two things about this Number One,
does anybody in real life ever use the word helmed
or helm? Like if let's say the next program to

(01:09:23):
hire a coach, is it going to be like, Oh,
so and so is at the helm Zach Taylor. Hey
can't believe Zach Taylor is back at the helm of
the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Number two, Okay, Trey Hendrickson is probably not going to
sign a long term contract with the Bengals. Our friend
Paul Danner Junior illustrated all the possibilities for Trey in
his three part series on edge rushers or pass rush
improvement at the Athletic dot Com. It wasn't obviously just

(01:09:53):
on edge rushers, because he talked about the scarcity of
defensive tackles. It feels like the most likely outcome here
is Leaves. Now there's a thought of franchise tagging him.
He plays for the Bengals for close to thirty million dollars.
I'm not sure that's the most prudent use of resources,
but okay, or you could tag him and try to

(01:10:13):
trade him. Lots of different possibilities, But the Bengals were
pretty comfortable a year ago not having Trey in their
plans for twenty twenty six. Many disagreed, but it was
very clear they had no plans for Trey beyond twenty
twenty five. If they did, they probably would assign him.

(01:10:36):
Has anything changed since now? When Tray was healthy last year,
he did play pretty well, but he wasn't as healthy.
He's going to be thirty two by the end of
the season. If the concerns a year ago were health
and age, I can't imagine last year did anything to
ease concerns about health and age. And you know that,

(01:10:57):
plus all the different sort of I don't know, standoff
issues and the back and forth and the trays of
our lives thing copyright Paul. It just it feels like
it's time for these two parties to separate. Your guess
is as good as mine as to what they'll do
to make the past rush better. Your guess is as

(01:11:19):
good as mine as to where Trey is going to
end up. But if you're comfortable with letting him go,
then you have to be comfortable with any possibility for
where he may go, which means you're comfortable with him
playing against you twice. You can't change your mind, you know.

(01:11:43):
Well wait a minute, wait, wait, hang on, he could
he could go to the Steelers. I'm not sure that
makes sense for them, but I'm not sure a lot
of the things the Steelers are doing right now makes
sense for them. We're comfortable with him not being in
our plans. But he could go. He could go to
the Ravens. Ooh, remember years ago UC did not want

(01:12:10):
to move its spring game or any other game to
Paul Brown Stadium, so that Ohio State was like player
spring game at Paul Brown Stadium. And you see fans,
including some folks that you see were like what no, no, no, no,
It's like, hey, man, if you're not going to do it,
they are. If you're comfortable saying no, then you have
to understand, well, there's there may be some other outcomes

(01:12:34):
that you don't like. You can't you can't base your
decisions about a player based on fear as to which
specific team he may end up at. It's not unlike
how we talk about trades. If you trade away a player,
he may still thrive elsewhere, he may thrive against you.
You've got to be comfortable with what you're getting in return.

(01:12:55):
You've got to be comfortable with letting that player go.
You know, the one of the examples for me where
we've talked about this, you've got to go back now
seventeen years when the Reds traded Edwin and Carnassion for
Scott Rowland, and Edwin and Carnassion went on to just
crush it for the next like ten years. That's cool.
You knew that was a possibility. He at least at
least had to confront that being at least a slight possibility.

(01:13:19):
But if you were comfortable with what you got out
of the deal, which I think the Reds were, then okay, fine,
Let Edwin and Carnassion go on to be a star elsewhere.
Same here. If you've been comfortable this entire time with
Trey Hendrickson leaving at the end of the season, which
has been the Bengals plan apparently all along, that cannot

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change just because wait a minute, no, no, wait, hang on,
and they didn't say he was gonna play against us.
Can't work that way, because if it does, then you're
you're letting other things dictate your decision making. You're also
then making not totally well thought out moves, like if suddenly,
and I don't think this would be the case, but

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if suddenly, after two years of not having a plan
for Trey to play for you in twenty twenty six,
you change your mind because oh oh, the Ravens could
be interested. Then you didn't think this that well, you
didn't think this out that well, you didn't really plan appropriately.
That's bad planning, that's bad decision making. So all right,

(01:14:23):
he may end up with Baltimore. He may end up
making them pay. He may have like four sack games
against the Bengals. He may be a Defensive Player of
the Year finalist for the Baltimore Ravens. If you have
decided already we don't have him and our plans, then
you know that you've acknowledged it and you're willing to
live with it. You're willing to live with it, and

(01:14:45):
you still have a plan to replace him. We'll see
if they do. Your plan to replace him still has
a good chance of working. Oh and by the way,
when you do play against Trey Hendrickson, your guys are
going to be able to block him. If the thinking
is suddenly I think this is more of how we
as fans do this. If the thinking is suddenly, whoa
whoa whoa whoa way so he could sack Joe Burrow,

(01:15:10):
let's rethink this, then you didn't think this out that well.
You didn't really vet out this entire decision to not
have him come back. So yeah, man, it sucked. Like
there's no more semantically responsible way of putting it. We
all would prefer if you're on board with just letting

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Trey go. He plays at some outpost. Chances are he's
not going to sign with a very bad team. Why
would a very bad team throw a bunch of money
at a thirty one year old edge rusher who had
surgery at the end of the season, So he's probably
gonna go to a team that's equipped to win, and
you may play high stakes games against him. That possibility

(01:15:56):
was already accounted for when you decided he wasn't a
part to your plan for twenty twenty six. Five point three,
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got into it with Mike there about Houston, like number one.
If the only standard of success is winning a national title,

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do you know how many otherwise really good college basketball
programs don't get any credit for anything. Gonzaga for the
last quarter century plus doesn't matter. No Xavier basketball team
ever matters, No UC team since nineteen sixty two matters.
If I said right now you could have Houston's last
seven years for your program, or whatever's behind door number two,

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you would not take whatever's behind door number two. It's
what makes the NCAA tournament so awesome. It's what makes
this sport so awesome. It's the hardest championship to win.
I believe that more Southern college football. It's the hardest
championship to win. So you could also celebrate some of
the most revered teams in this city, not only didn't

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win a national title, they never really came close. Identity
in college basketball is awesome. The most fun thing about
being a UC fan for a long time was your
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your program always had an identity. And I'm jealous of
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you can have one. With the way college basketball works now,
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I'm thrilled to do this because he's a cornerstone of
our show during the Bengals season. Every Tuesday, he's for
the second consecutive here. I think he has been crowned
King of Radio Row. He's with Summer Sports, which is
an invaluable resource and one of the authors of these
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shows have you been on this week?

Speaker 11 (01:20:55):
No, look my voice, it's struggling a little bit. Be
a lot, but Ale'll talk about a lot of different things,
of course, saving the best stuff for you as we
get towards the end of media week here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Beyond that, what is the best show you've been on
so far?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Good question?

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I mean the Super Sport Show of course.

Speaker 11 (01:21:13):
Actually, it's been really fun to talk to you some
of the players, have them come on. I actually really
like No, I'll tell you the Irish NFL show. Yes,
a ton of fun. They were really well prepared. They
asked some great questions. We had a really good conversation
about some stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I've been lucky enough to be a guest on their show.
I don't know why they asked, but those guys, as
we say, no ball and I've watched them and I've
seen that they're at Radio Rows, so so good for them.
What about let's talk about both these teams from a
Bengals perspective, which you're kind enough to do with me
every single week during the season. Let's start with New

(01:21:47):
England Schematically, as a Bengals fan, what can I learn
from what the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Do to me?

Speaker 11 (01:21:53):
Their safeties I think are pretty flexible where they're playing
a little bit, you know, Gallon Hill sometimes on these
inbreaking routes. That's been a really good way to do it.
And I think they change things up overall just so
much like they are and they have a different approach
to the seaufining. The pitchers are a little bit more aggressive.
It feels like when you bring in that big money
free agent, and I like Nolan Williams be able to

(01:22:13):
change some things for your defense. Even though no I
end up missing a bunch of the season as he
was injured, it still thinks like we are building this
thing really through that defensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Now from a Seattle perspective, now.

Speaker 11 (01:22:25):
The Seahawk's perspective is kind of similar but also very
fun to where their defensive line less than it unlocks everything.
They're happy to just have four defensive linemen on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
They can stop the run that.

Speaker 11 (01:22:36):
Way, they can rush the passer that way, it just
makes us feel like, all right, got to keep on
drafting the defensive line. Mean, even though of course we're
gonna have situations like the Angles have had in the
past where not everything's gonna feel like it hit, it
just always feels like that's kind of a safe way
to start building your team.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Can I run a couple of takes past, you'll fly though.
Here's what I love most about the Patriots this season.
All eleven of their draft choices wore a uniform. This year,
all eleven played. Mister irrelevant has played in a playoff game. Now,
some of them less than others, But like you know,

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in a day and age where you've got to get
instant return on your draft picks. We've talked a lot
about the Bengals inability to get instant return from their
draft choices. The Patriots have done that in spades. That's
Bengals won't have eleven picks next season. That's a goal.
And I know folks are gonna say, well, wait a minute,
all the Bengals draft choices at some point played this year.

(01:23:31):
All eleven Patriots picks played for a team that's in
the super Bowl. That's what I want next season.

Speaker 11 (01:23:37):
It's such a good thing to have where look, we
know it's a salary cap league, right, so any sort
of costen gold talent that you have, it makes things
so much easier where it allows you to take some
home run swings at different positions. So unfortunately, I mean,
you know, some teams will built through free agency, but
you have to have to have to be able to
find a way to build through the draft to get
some of those starters. I keep thinking about the Bengals defense. Right,

(01:24:00):
of course you'd like to continue to build along the
offensive line, but well, next year we've got to be
able to talk about some of these battle drafticks that
are starting on the defense's side of the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
All right, I'm gonna give you another one here, right
with Seattle. I see a team that did something that
in real time was difficult. Right, They were willing to
move on from Russell Wilson. That move is paid dividends
if you look at who they got for the picks
they acquired from them, DK Metcalf moving on from him
not quite apples to apples, but still difficult. New England
moves on from a coach who's like a franchise legend

(01:24:31):
after just one year because there's a better option available.
Sometimes you got to do what's difficult. Sometimes you got
to do what's unpopular. There are times, not all the time,
but there are times where I've wanted about the Bengals
willingness to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:44):
I mean, this whint is Zach Taylor wanted, like the
most tenured head coaches in the entire NFL, I wish
is almost a wild thing to think about. But I
do agree with you where. Look, sometimes it's a different
both see you need. Sometimes it's a game management type situation.
With Seattle, of course, like Nadal, it's a home run
at the offensive coordinator spot that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Going to be an important thing.

Speaker 11 (01:25:03):
End with the Rabel as well, you have a guy
who has that built in offensive coordinator where you probably
feel like, hey, this guy's most likely not going to
go ahead and be found a head coach. So I
agree with you where a lot of times it is
that tough decision, and it's scary because nine wins and
being near the playoffs is a really nice thing I
feel consistent about. But sometimes you just got to break
that bank.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
You got to make that big decision and move on to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Your head coach. Are you ready for one more? Absolutely,
I wish I had a time machine. I wish I
had a time machine for a lot of different reasons,
but I wish I had a time machine because this
time last year when I was screaming for the Bengals
to sign Milton Williams, they didn't and they should have.
So if we go back in time they can It
would be nice.

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
You know, I think maybe we get that top machine.
I'm sure, yes, there are some other things perhaps that
we would both be interested in texting, but I do think, yes,
like you are.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
It's a rare situation.

Speaker 11 (01:25:52):
Because and to be clear, Bil Williams, did you get
He got injured this year, missed a bunch of time,
but still in the playoffs he's able to really emerge
and can and you to play the way that he
did as a philo dumping evil. And it is a
rare thing for a high level pass rushing type player
to hit the open market. It is just too hard
now these days, where teams are a little bit smarter.
I think front office members understand, hey, we can't let

(01:26:15):
these guys get frequency. We want to kind of sign
that maybe a year early, maybe even two years early.
At some times when you extend him, so it would
have been nice. No, certainly, and you gonna make your
linebackers like the easier. There's so many wonderful effects to
when you have a high quality defensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Have our guys. Sean Side is with us from Suomer Sports.
Suomer Sports Live is a big part of Summer Sports
dot Com. Sean one of the authors of these stats
and scheme newsletter. Have you started to dive into the
draft yet?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
So I have not done.

Speaker 11 (01:26:44):
Will say sumer sports has our draft guide for this
upcoming year. I believe it's already live on Summer Sports
dot com, so it has all the advanced data for
all of the top however many consensus big board picks.
It's going to be a real fun one where you're
going to give a look at that information. I'm excited
how to follow that through with some of.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
The film this off season? Are you allowed to tell
me who you think is going to win the game
on Sunday?

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I me up boring.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
I think it's going to be the Sea offfs I
do you think it's apt to win the game at
three points?

Speaker 8 (01:27:09):
Though?

Speaker 9 (01:27:10):
So, I feel like the Patriots are going.

Speaker 11 (01:27:12):
To be able to keep it close in a few
different ways where I think the Patriots defensive line and
create some issues for that center, that right guard for
the seaoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I could see it be a situation.

Speaker 11 (01:27:21):
Where, you know, even when you have a guy like
JSN who is really unguardable, I can see a little
bit of a defensive slug best going atster this game?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Well said, how many more shows do you have to do?
However many today? Tell me is that for many I've
left it too. Wow. All right, the star of Radio Row.
Who's the most famous person you've seen a Radio Row?

Speaker 11 (01:27:41):
Oh that's a good question, that see, I mean all
the players, those are big ones usually like on Friday
and like you start to see the guys like the
rock and then there's no movie starts kind to run
around of here as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, well there's no bigger star than you. And thank
you for carving out some time for his suomer Sports
dot Com check out sumer Live. You're the best man.
Thanks so much, Oh, thanks so much, appreciate you. That's
our guy, Sean Saya, the star. I've said that Radio
Row is the saddest place on Earth, and it is.
But Seansayaed who is awesome and we love having him

(01:28:16):
on the show and brings a level of enthusiasm that
is unfortunately exceedingly rare. The fact that he has been
the breakout star of radio Row and I look on
social media and he's doing different shows. We're gonna get
to a point where he's too big for us, but
we're not there yet. Sumer sports dot Com Canada, sixth,
Italy two fifth end of this curling match, the day

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before the actual opening ceremonies. By the way, I just
noticed this, So tonight is the NFL Honors. We get
NFL Honors tonight, the big award show where all the
big league awards are handed out. This was This was
a night of anticipation last year because I don't think
any of us thought Joe Burrow was going to be MVP,
but he was at least a finalist. He did win

(01:29:03):
for the second time the Comeback Player of the Year award,
and Trey Hendrickson was up for Defensive Player of the
Year and Jamar Chase was up for Offensive Player of
the Year and neither guy won, which is fine. Tonight though,
we're gonna find out who the NFL Man of the
Year is. Ted Carris up for that honor for a
second consecutive year. I maybe this is just me. I

(01:29:23):
don't think an award for character and service is the
sort of thing that should be decided by hashtags or
a fan vote, but rooting like hell for Ted and
then obviously we find out tonight who's gonna be in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six.

(01:29:43):
I desperately want to be wrong about this. I'm gonna
guess Ken Anderson doesn't get in. By the way history
is on the side of that prediction, I feel like
it's gonna be Roger Craig. And Roger Craig has a
Hall of Fame resume. Nothing against him, man. I mean
as watching the forty nine Ers as a kid, it

(01:30:04):
was Montana and Rice and Craig, and then obviously John
Taylor unfortunately because he scored the game winning touchdown, and
later on Brent Jones. But it is like the big
three was Montana, Rice and Craig. Roger Craig was a
terrific player with somewhat of a short peak. You know,

(01:30:25):
one of those guys that was like Roger Craig's production
dipped quickly, but there was a time where I thought
he was already a Hall of Famer, So nothing against him,
but I fear that he's got the forty nine Ers
machine behind him. Elsie Greenwood made benefit from something similar.

(01:30:48):
Really really really really good players from historically great teams,
I think sometimes are given a little bit more weight,
or are considered a little bit more or there's just
more of a preference toward them then from players who weren't. Plus,
the game is technically it's in Santa Clara, but it's
San Francisco is hosting the Super Bowls. Roger Craig mainly

(01:31:12):
played for the forty nine Ers, So we'll see about
Ken Anderson. Obviously Willy Anderson. We're all holding out hope
that one day he gets to Canton. I just noticed this,
he tweeted just before two thirty today. If you're holding
on to hope for good news tonight, and then he's

(01:31:35):
got the gift and the dude's name, it's off the
top of my head, it's Jonah Hill. Thank you, Jonahill
doing the throat slash like cut it out thing from
whatever award show that was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Jonah Hill from super Bad and Moneyball, Willy Anderson, as
he did last year, suggested that there's not going to
be good news for him tonight, which stinks. We'll see,
but the NFL Honor Show is tonight, and you hate
for the NFL because that show takes a back seat
to the UC West Virginia game tonight at seven o'clock.

(01:32:14):
All right, got some red stuff, good news and a
good job. I'll make it make sense next.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
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This report is ESPN F teen thirty. Moweger really do
appreciate you listening today. Five point three seven four nine
fifteen thirty is our number. There's a very good chance
you have not been following the arbitration case of Detroit
Tigers Starr and arguably the best pitcher in the game,

(01:33:20):
UH Trek Scooble. So the Tigers went to arbitration with him,
the two time reigning American League Say Young Award winner.
The Tigers went to arbitration with him, which is stupid,
but they did that options available to him. Schooble won
his arbitration case and he's now going to make thirty
two million dollars in twenty twenty six, a deal that

(01:33:43):
will surpass Juan Soto. Is the largest arbitration salary in
MLB history. Previous high for a picture, I'm reading this
from a spot track. The previous high for a picture
was sho Hey Otani with the Angels in twenty twenty three. Obviously,
show Hey did other things beyond pitching. And David Price
with Detroit nineteen point seventy five million dollars in twenty fifteen.

(01:34:07):
Just to apply some context, and Hunter Green is not
Trek Scouble. Nobody is Hunter Green is the red staff Ace.
Andrew Abbod provided very legitimate competition for that title last year.
And look the idea is for there to be so
many good pitchers that we can have fun discussions about
who the staff ace is. Hunter Green, when completely healthy,

(01:34:30):
is still one of the very best pitchers in this sport.
It would be awesome if he can get through a
full season healthy. He couldn't last year. But Hunter Green
over the next three seasons will make combined forty million dollars,
and then at the end of that season, which is
twenty twenty eight, there's a club option for twenty twenty nine,

(01:34:51):
but for the next three seasons, Hunter Green is going
to earn combined forty million dollars. Trek Scuoble for this
season will make thirty two. Again, the two pitchers aren't
the same. Paul Skenes had to see that news today
and go, hell yeah, But the Reds don't get credit
for this to this day, and they should. Hunter signs

(01:35:14):
that contract a few years ago, which locks in his
salary for all of his arbitration years and is what
would have been his first free agency season. It was smart,
maybe stop short of brilliant, but still smart, proactive, the

(01:35:35):
kind of thing that agents will advise against their clients signing,
the kind of deal that no other Red has signed
since Hunter Green last season, which when he was healthy
he was terrific. And again we're all waiting for him
to get through a full season healthy, but when he
was healthy, he was awesome. Hunter Green this season will

(01:35:59):
get a two million dollar a year raise. Last year
made six point three. This year, he'll make eight point three.
Can you imagine what that number would have looked like
had he not been already locked into a specific salary
for twenty twenty six, Like sign your ace early. We've

(01:36:22):
discussed many reasons why the Reds should try to sign
Ellie Teller Cruz, and there's many reasons why Ellie te
La Cruz is like, yeah, man, I am good. I
might want to be Baseball's highest paid player. I probably
really can't do that unless I hit free agency, But yeah,
you want to get out in front of some of
these things. Sometimes it's gonna blow up in your face.

(01:36:42):
If you look at the Reds in the twenty tens,
a lot of moves that are similar to this kind
of blow up in their face. This one so far
has not. This one so far looks really smart. I
haven't looked, but I referenced that a lot last year.
Last season, Hunter Green was I think the eighty second
highest paid starting pitcher in baseball. My guess is he's

(01:37:05):
going to be somewhere in that range this season. It's
not that hard to look up to this day, I
don't think the Reds have gotten proper credit for getting
that done, And to this day, I'd be willing to
bet that if Hunter has a bad start, you will
hear folks talk about how the Reds overpaid him. Like
I understand that when the deal first came out, the

(01:37:26):
entire value of the contract, which I think was ninety
six million dollars, you know, that was a lot of money, right,
and it, obviously in the real world, is a lot
of money. But I think a lot of folks saw
that and said bad contract. In reality, it's a great contract.
Sign your ace.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Trek Scoob was a once in a lifetime guy. Maybe
your ace is never going to be as good as him,
But the going rate for an ACE only climbs. If
you can lock into one early, all the better and
all the more flexibility you'll enjoy. Moving forward, twenty six

(01:38:07):
minutes after five o'clock, the Reds TV deal has been
talked about a lot, but the Reds are going to
get specifically for their TV deal. I haven't seen. I
don't know that it's out there. It's been reported the
Cardinals are going to take a big, like twenty million
dollar haircut from their TV deal from last year to
this year. We'll see what that means for the Reds.
The TV deal uncertainty. I've hated what it's meant for

(01:38:28):
the people who work to produce Reds games. Annie Sabo
apparently is no longer going to be a part of
Reds coverage, which stinks because Annie did a good job.
But there's something about this that is great because I
think it gives you, as a Reds fan, a little
bit more power over them, and maybe not that much,

(01:38:50):
but still a little bit more power over them. Historically,
the loudest statement you can make in sports is not
buying tickets. But by the way, there have been large
stretches of time where people have stopped buying Reds tickets,
and occasionally they'll hear that and go, uh oh, gotta
do something else. They acquired yes THEELP week in a

(01:39:11):
trade that brought them three other dudes. Because attendance bottomed
out to a thirty four year low, in twenty eighteen.
But now, obviously if you have cable or an Ulti
Fiber account that sort of thing, and you got the
FanDuel Sports Network, my understanding is you're not really going
to have to do anything different. You'll still get Reds TV,

(01:39:31):
But there would be a lot of people who get
Reds TV on a subscription that they pay a monthly
fee for. I think it's going to be nineteen ninety nine.
Maybe you buy the full season, but I think you're
gonna have a lot of folks maybe you who you
buy the nineteen ninety nine subscription per month, and if
we get to July and the teams out of it,

(01:39:52):
guess what, ejeck button no more than nineteen ninety nine
a month, or hey, I'm going to renew. I'm gonna
renew my subscription this offseason. But I need to see
you do something. Need to see you try to win
like this is good. Now you're accountable to a different

(01:40:12):
type of consumer, one that wants to watch your games.
Some that will watch the games no matter what, but
others maybe a little bit more discerning. Who go, Okay,
I'm already buying a bunch of subscriptions, do I really
want to show out another twenty bucks for Reds games
when they're a thousand games out of first place. Like
there's a little bit more power in your hand right now.
If you're a Reds fan and in an era where

(01:40:34):
it feels like fans are more and more powerless, how
could that be anything but good? What's not good are
cry baby college coaches. You'll hear one.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
This report is spun ESPN fifteen to thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.
All right, we've talked a lot about coaches in NIL
and crying about not having money. Calvin Samson, whose team
is twenty and two is played in five Street sweet sixteens,
whose team played for a national championship last year, the
latest after his team wins by twenty four last night

(01:41:41):
against a good UCF team, the latest coach to cry
about being broke. Here it is.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
Now we participate in the NIO just like everybody else.
We know what our kids market value is. I mean,
the trust not starving here are getting. We're getting exactly
what the market is for them. But you know, uh,

(01:42:10):
we have a very poor athletic department.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
We're poor.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
You know, we're poor when I got here, and we're
still poor. We probably have the lowest budget of anybody
in power for you know, and uh, you know, the
way our recruiting is going, we have to stop at
some point because we don't have enough money to keep
bringing in really good players. And that's not easy for
us to do. You people ask about recruiting, you know,

(01:42:38):
teams that have the best recruiting classes usually have the
most money.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
That's the way it is today.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Yeah, like we we know, uh, you know, we signed
uh I Kenna and arafon early. You know, a lot
of these kids we have will come back, but who
knows what else will sign, pays how much money. Yeah,
it's not about who do we want to sign, is
who can we afford to sign? And even even though

(01:43:07):
we've been doing this inn il thing that it still
feels funny for.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Me to even say that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
It's like a culture shot that that's coming out of
my mouth because for so many years it's illegal to
do that, but is legal now. That's why they call
it an il. Now it's legal.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
I think there's a couple of different things here. One,
there's a search for a level playing field. I don't
know in my lifetime that we've ever had a level
playing field in sports. Some schools have always been able
to spend more on recruiting, on travel, on coaches, on marketing,
on things that just enhance the program more than other schools.

(01:43:50):
Like there are reasons why Ohio State is Ohio State.
And that's not to say they haven't that great coaches,
great players, but they've had more at their disposal than
or Miami or Bowling Green or Akron or anybody else
in the state, much less pretty much anybody in the country.
So whenever I hear coaches go on and on about
nil and the disparity. I wonder a hotcome coaches never

(01:44:13):
talk about the pool of money out there for coaches
and how it needs to be spread evenly. Number two,
like Kelvin Samson needs more dough. Houston will always be
at a disadvantage in some way, shape or form when
compared to someone else, whether it's somebody in the Big
twelve or another school in the state of Texas. But

(01:44:35):
the other part of this is I love so much
about the NIL era. Certainly there should be more regulation,
Certainly there should be things that rained things in a
little bit here, But it's also now like a built
in excuse, it's a built in crutch. If your team
is no good, it's not how you coach the team.

(01:44:56):
It's not your decision to bring in the players you're coaching.
It's not decisions you made on the bench. It's not
personnel decisions, it's not strategic decisions. It's not players underperforming
relative to their expectation. It's simple, we need more money.
We don't have enough. And now, if you're good and
Houston is twenty and two in the top ten, they've

(01:45:17):
been a Big twelve powerhouse since entering the league. They've
been a sweet sixteen mainstay for six years now. It's
an excuse even when you're winning, just in case there
ends up being a dip in the winning. How's that
good for anybody? How's that good for anybody? And it
plants in everybody's head the thought that, well, it's not

(01:45:42):
the variables that a program or a coach can control.
If we lose, it's simply because we're not rich enough
and the rules are slanted against us, which is exactly
what we have in baseball. Let's try to win some
money on the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
All right, let's make some money on the Super Bowl.
Lee Stirling from Paramount sports dot com, who's on Twitter
at Paramount Sports, is with US Seahawks four and a
half point favorites. We'll get to the game itself here
in a bit, but let's talk about some pure football
prompts for the game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
So most people love to play who's going to score
the first touchdown? It is so random that if you're
wagering on this with serious money, probably not the way
to go here. So I would rather take a player
who I think will score during the game, And I

(01:47:09):
think the best guy is probably someone like Kenneth Walker,
the third running back for Seattle. Anytime touchdown minus one twenty,
take a shot on him.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
You know, if you got twenty twenty five people at.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
The party you're going to and you want to just
put names in a hat, then you can do first
time at a time touchdown. That would be fun that way.
A couple others. There's a couple of receivers. I'm looking
at Cooper cup Wide receiver for Seattle over two and
a half receptions. The Patriots love to use a lot
of zone defense. He's really good at reading zone defenses

(01:47:43):
and knowing where to go, what seem when to sit
down in these zone defenses, and they're starting to use
some words. I'll take Cooper cup over two and a
half receptions. Two receivers. I like either going four or
against them for the New England Patriots Collins so he's
only gonna catch probably two or three passes, but when

(01:48:04):
they do, you're not going to see many flanker screens
from him. They use him to go down the field.
He's six four two twenty physical long arms. They have
him as over fifteen and a half yards longest reception.
I love that. I'll go over there and Stefan Diggs.
Four and a half receptions is his number, and it's

(01:48:26):
probably because he's caught four and five balls the last
two games. But I think he's lost a step and
he's going to face a lot of Manda Man coverage.
So I'll go under four and a half receptions here
for Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
All right, Lee Sterling is with us from Paramount sports
dot com. Are there any props outside of the game
itself you want to give me?

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
So I don't do the gatorade or anything like that.
Most of those will come out this afternoon, tonight or
tomorrow morning. We'll study those more. Now, as you know,
we love the national anthem, yes, and maybe this year
more than most years. The first nine times my daughter
did it pretty easy. The last two years have been tough.
The last two years ago we've been MacIntyre. My daughter

(01:49:10):
had the under, It wouldn't have hit the under, but
she decided to sing the last line home with a
braave twice right. And so what happened was most books
paid it both ways. They figured, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna.
Most don't allow more than five hundred dollars to be
what bet on that wager, so it's a good will gesture.

(01:49:32):
They paid both sides. Last year she liked the under,
didn't love it. She said it's gonna be tight. Boy
was it tight. Came in by anywhere from a half
a second to a second. So she's right now we'll
call it a ten oh in one. So this year,
Charlie Pout is going to be singing the national anthem.
He's never sung it before. Never, there's no video, no

(01:49:56):
sporting event he has ever sung it. So you're saying, well,
how can handicap him singing over under a minute in
fifty nine and a half seconds. Well, he actually did
an interview my daughter found with Ryan Seacrest a little
over two weeks ago. He said he takes it really seriously,
said that the other New Jersey native that did it

(01:50:17):
with him has done the national anthem, Whitney Houston is
the gold standard. No one will touch that. But he
said he's going to do it differently, and he he's
a composer also, and he said he's going to do
it with a choir and an orchestra. So I have
a feeling and she does too, that it's going to

(01:50:38):
play out a little longer than normal. So it sits
right nowt a minute in fifty nine and a half seconds.
She likes the over a lot on that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
All right, very good. The track record is unimpeccable or unimpeachable,
so you can't argue with your daughter. Game itself, Seattle.
The line has held study at four and a half
since it came out late or we should go this
past Sunday posted total forty five and a half. Do
you feel strongly either way about one or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
I actually liked the game now the last seven years,
a team least seven tries a team has been favored
by four more points oh to seven against the spread.
The last time a favorite it's covered by more than
four points was going back to Peyton Manning in the
Indianapolis culture of the Chicago Bears. I feel that New
England's not quite there yet. I think by being able

(01:51:31):
to play Denver in the AFC Championship was to their
supreme advantage and could have lost that game. If they
would have gone down ten to nothing might have been different.
But Sean Payton decided to go for a fourth and
one early in the first late in the first quarter,
and they never were able to mount anything after that point,

(01:51:53):
lost ten to seven. I think that something's wrong with
Drake May's shoulder. He's thrown eight sections in the last
thirteen games. Also, it's about explosive plays in the NFL,
and right now Romande Stevenson is fine, he's playing well,
but he's due to fumble. I would if I was them,

(01:52:14):
I would probably look to maybe move more into Henderson
into the lineup. He has I think three or four
runs of more than fifty yards for touchdowns. But let's
Stevenson fumbles. That's it doesn't look like it's going to
be the case. So I think that Seattle's legion of
boom defenses is right there. They probably forced a fumble

(01:52:36):
in an interception. I think Sam Darnold has finally figured
it out. I'm gonna take Seattle lay the four and
a half. I have'm winning twenty seven to sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Great minds think a likely. We've been on the same
page with pretty much everything you've articulated, mainly that right there,
Seattle and Lay in the point. Sorry. Paramount sports dot com.
What'll folks find when they go?

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
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wager going on Saturday night. That's just thirty five dollars
for five Monster selections. And we're going to take a
break until Tuesday before March Madness. But if you want
to check me out. I do a daily podcast on
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type in three words locked on Bets. Hear me Monday

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Anywhere you check out your podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
You mentioned something very important the week before the NCAA
tournament begins. Will we hear from you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Yep, Tuesday, We'll do it Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
I'm on Tuesday because my daughter's school plays at five o'clock,
so I'm off on the seventeenth. But maybe that Wednesday before.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Wow, Wednesday. Maybe Wednesday, will do it Monday?

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Okay, all right, you're the man. All right, buddy, it's
our guy, Lee Sterling Paramount Sports dot com. We'll talk
to him right before the NCAA tournament begins in about
a month and a half. Show is over, Gotta go.
Anything you might have missed go find on the iHeartRadio
app or mypage at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com. Thank
you for listening. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing. We'll

(01:54:29):
talk tomorrow. Have a great night. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati sports station.

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