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I know the basketball game last night, the UC game
you see lost to West Virginia. I know that doesn't
matter nearly as much as Wes Miller postgame and all
that stuff. But I don't know. I don't know if
I've in my life as a UC fan, which goes back.

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A long, long, long, long long.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Time, I don't know if any outcome has ever felt
more predetermined, more inevitable. And then we had the postgame stuff,
which we're gonna get to here in about fifteen minutes.
Wes Miller had a human moment. I'm Moeger. We'll have
some human moments today. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks
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to share facts dot org. There is a reds wager
that I love that we're gonna get to later on
this hour. A lot of ground to cover between now
and six o'clock. Are you with me now? Are you
with me now? When it comes to the Hall of Fame?
And when I say the Hall of Fame, yes, you know,
today I mean the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But
we can make it about baseball. We can make it

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about basketball. We can make it about the college Football
Hall of Fame. We can make it about the bowling
Hall of Fame or the horse racing Hall of Fame's
let's today make it about the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So,
first of all, there is no need to knock any
of the people who got in. Congratulations to Saint x'zon
Luke Keigley deserved honor. Roger Craig gets in. Roger Craig

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was an awesome player, didn't have a very long peek,
but a guy who could do everything and did everything
for some iconic teams. So you can be upset, you
can be angry, you can be pissed, you could be exasperated,
you could feel sadness about your guy not getting in,
and in our case, from one perspective it's Ken Anderson

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and from another it's Willy Anderson. It doesn't mean you
have to knock down a few pegs the dudes who
did get in. Nothing against those guys, Congratulations to them all.
I think it is completely fair and understandable today to
feel really bad for Kenny and Willie. And let's be honest,

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I think a little bit more so Kenny than Willie
because Kenny is older, He's seventy six years old. But
how do you not feel for both more than anything else?
More than anything else? And I'll speak from my perspective here.
Ken Anderson has been very kind to our show. He's
a guy that I've had a chance to get to

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know just a little bit, wonderful, wonderful guy like first
team all good guy. Willie Anderson has been on our show,
not nearly as much as Kenny. But I watched Willy's
entire career play out. I didn't watch Kenny's entire career
play out. As a Bengals fan, I understand the importance
of both men to the franchise, but more than any

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of that, just as human beings, I think most of
us have just wanted those two guys to get their
moment in Canton. We've wanted them to just get their
moment where they could be honored, tell their story, have
their story told. I cannot imagine how much either guy
getting that moment, how much it would have meant to them,

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and how much it would have meant to their families.
And it hurts, And I think you would agree it
hurts that at the very least, both men are going
to have to wait even longer. Willie Anderson because of
the Pro Football Hall of Fame's weird voting rules, I
guess is going to be up for election next year.

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I don't know what happens with Ken Anderson, but this
just feels like, and I think again a little bit
more with Kenny than Willie, like all right, we're gonna
do this again, and then again the rug's gonna be
pulled out from underneath him, or maybe Kenny's gonna get
in one day and he's not gonna be here with us.
Certainly hope that hell that's not the case, but it
is disappointing and heartbreaking if you care about those men

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at all, and I would imagine if you're a Bengals fan,
you do at least a little. We've all imagined what
it would be like for either guy to stand on
that stage in Canton, put the yellowjacket on and make
a speech. And the fact that neither will get that opportunity,
or that both have been denied that opportunity again, is painful.

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But I know we talked about this last week. The
Hall of Fame, its usefulness has expired. We no longer
have to use it as a barometer to measure greatness.
I can't tell you what to do. I can only
tell you what I do. I no longer use Halls
of Fame as a barometer to measure greatness. I no

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longer need Halls of Fame as validation of what I know.
I know how great Willy Anderson was. By the way,
there's advanced metrics that will point out how great Willy
Anderson was. I've heard from the people that Willy Anderson
had to block. Who will tell you how good Willy

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Anderson was Kenny Anderson's a little bit easier to measure statistically. Statistically,
in my opinion, at least, that's a Hall of Famer.
But I know his importance to the franchise, I know
his place in NFL history, I know his place in
the era that he played in. I've stopped needing the

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Hall of Fame to validate what I know. The Hall
of Fame is a museum. It's a nice museum, but
it's let to be honest at the end of the day.
It's no different than the art museum here in town,
or a history museum or a science museum. There's exhibits,
you can learn a lot, they're fun to walk through.
You can go into the gift store, buy something that's overpriced,

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maybe get something to eat if they have a commissary
or a snack bar or a food court. But like
as institutions that are the final barometer of greatness, we've
overstated their importance for way too long. Let's not do
it anymore. It's fair to be heartbroken for Kenny Fair,

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to be heartbroken for Willie Fair, to be angry if
you feel like the Bengals themselves are being mistreated and
there's maybe something to that. I would also say the
Bengals historically have done an awful job of promoting their greats.
It's one of the reasons why we banged on them
for so long to have a Hall of Fame. But
do you really need a museum in Canton, Ohio to

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validate the greatness of either As a sports fan, I'll
make an admission for me for years, the answer was yes,
it ain't been that way in a while. If you
know how good Kenny Anderson was, if you know how
good Willie Anderson was, if you could, if you can
have an understanding of the importance of both men to

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this franchise that you care about, Yes, it would be
awesome for both men to get their moment in Canton. Yes,
it would be cool to have their story told to
a massive audience. No, I don't use that museum, which
is all it is, as a barometer that measures greatness.

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I mean anymore. You know there's gonna be arguments. And
by the way, you know the Bill Belichick thing went
down last week and it was well CC hang on.
You know the voters what they're doing is they're not
voting for Bill because they want to put Kenny and
else Greenwood and Roger Craig in and again good for
Roger Craig. I do think it would be interesting to

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see what he have gotten in if the San Francisco
forty nine ers weren't hosting the Super Bowl. But that's okay.
That's not to say that he's not deserving. But if
the suggestion last week was well Belichick didn't get in
because the voters were pointing out a flaw in the
system by giving their votes to the senior the senior

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players who had waited forever, Well that didn't happen because
not only did Belichick not get in, but only one
of the quote veterans got in. Do you need Campton
to validate how you feel about Ken Anderson or will
Anderson not? Do you need Canton to give those men
a cool moment? That would have been meat. That's why

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this was worth rooting for. I'm not sure any of
us are surprised to find out that neither guy got in.
I hate to say it, but like last night, after
for a tough UC loss, enjoying a post game beer,
when I saw that Willie didn't get in, when I
saw that Kenny didn't get in, I just sort of
shrugged my shoulders, disappointed for them, But their exclusion from Canton,

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their exclusion from a museum that I probably will never
go to, doesn't change how I feel about them, doesn't
change my understanding of what they've meant to this franchise.
We no longer need the validation of not the museum itself,
but a bunch of people who have no no commitment

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to or obligation for transparency. That would make this a
little bit easier. I guess if there was a full
blown commitment to transparency, why not Willie, why not Kenny?
Why not a whole lot of other guys that have
very good Hall of Fame arguments. So, if we're not
going to be transparent, if we're gonna understand that, everybody's

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going to apply their own criteria to their Hall of
Fame ballot, and if we're going to understand it because
of that, some people's criteria is going to be stupid.
Why inflate the Hall of Fame's importance? Why inflate it's
importance when it comes to validating the great careers of
Willie Anderson and Ken Anderson. I'm sorry for them, I'm

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sorry for their families, I'm sure both men and the
people who love them were sorely disappointed last night. Unfortunately,
both men have gotten used to disappointment. I hope to
hell that this changes and one day both men do
get their moment. I hope they're both here for it,
hope their families make the most of it. As a fan,

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as disappointing as it is, I have I have significantly
deflated the importance of a museum in Canton, Ohio that
a bunch of Rando's vote induction into If you weren't
with me last week when I said the exact same thing,
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see loses last night in what was just painfully familiar fashion.
Uh you speaking of pain? You can hear the pain
in west Miller's voice last night. We'll talk about it.
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The game itself last night, you see loses to West Virginia.
The Mountaineers looked right for the picking, so to speak.
For much of the first half. Cincinnati was up ten
and a halftime. The lead got to as high as
fourteen early in the second half. And let's be honest,
Bearcats have played pretty well to that point. They're dealing
with injuries. Front court is really thin. No Mustapha chom

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how Vinzella played eleven minutes and fouled out. The lead
felt like a house of cards, and maybe you thought, okay,
they can still figure out a way to win the game.
It was there for the taking in the final few minutes.
But it was not shocking at all that the game
ended up being close, and not surprising in the least
that the Bearcats lost. And so they fall to eleven
and twelve on a night where they scored just fifty

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four points, falling to West Virginia. Cincinnati. The crowd last
night a decent crowd in terms of size. There have
been a lot of booze aimed at the Bearcats, the
results and Wes Miller and last night when the final
buzzer sounded. Those booze were as loud as I've heard

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them the game itself. I think last night took a
back seat to Wes Miller's postgame comments, both on the
radio and to some fans in a video that went
viral who were standing outside the walkway to the locker room.
And I'll play the radio postgame comments because I think
you'll hear. I think you're gonna hear in Wes's voice

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something that you don't hear in any other forum that
he showed up in last night. Here he is talking
with Dan Horden Terry Nelson on seven hundred WLW after.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
The game got You were in good position to win
this game with about fifteen minutes to go, up by
twelve in West Virginia. Obviously I went out a run
from there.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
What changed?

Speaker 8 (15:04):
What allowed the Mountaineers to pull this game out in
the last fifteen.

Speaker 9 (15:09):
Well, we did such a good job on Huff for
a stretch, like I executed our game plan masterfully, and
then he got loose. I think he scored twelve in
a row at one point, and then we got tight
on offense and we stopped making plays. We weren't able
to convert plays. We didn't play with the same confidence

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that we played with. We got a little tight, and
we we tried to go with the group that was
the best tonight, and they probably didn't have enough in
the tank to do what we had to do. But
I'll say this to you guys and to everybody that's listening.

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Everybody deserves to be frustrated with us and with me,
and it ain't okay to me. I am I'm sorry.
It's not okay. There's no excuse, So I'm sorry to
people out there. We have to finish games. That's the

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responsibility of coaching at this program, and I'm really I'm
really sorry. I promise everybody out there you deserve to
be frustrated. Say what you say or whatever you deserve it.

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I promise you.

Speaker 9 (16:26):
I'm giving every part of my soul to this thing,
and I care deeply about this program. And it ain't okay.
So I don't want anybody to think I think it's okay.
It's not and people.

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Deserve to be frustrated.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Nobody is more frustrated with the results than I. Just
as a quick aside, the weird juxtaposition of some very
happy music in the background as Wes Miller is bearing
his soul is at least mildly humorous. Wes with Dan
and Terry after the game last night. And you know,
this season, as it's unfolded, the postgame show or the

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postgame press conference or what is said after games has
almost become a bigger story than the games themselves. And
that's kind of a byproduct of a season like this
that has obviously gone extraordinarily poorly. There's there's no getting
around that. And Wes has in the postgame he's played
a lot of different types of cards. You know, he's

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played the Hey, it's it's us against the world, and
you know what come at us? And and we're gonna
stay together and okay, and then he's he's gotten angry
at his team. He has stood up for his team,
you know, he's he's gone out of his way to say,
I'm not making excuses. And then he has talked about, hey,
we've had to fly, you know, different time zones and
the travel and and and last night was the the

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I'm sorry card. And and that's that's not to say
that he was off basin playing any any one of them,
certainly not last night. But there's I think when a
season is going like this, like you're you're probably not
going to get the same thing after every game, You're
gonna get different things, and and most of those things,
when it comes to the reaction of angry fans, they're

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not going to be well received. I'm not sure how
well received last night was. The entire time, though, when
Wes's postgame comments have been discussed, the analysis, if that's
the right word, has been, well, there's a guy who
feels the walls closing in, who sees the walls closing in,
who knows the walls are closing in, who sees the

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writing on the wall, who understands what is likely to
happen if the losing continues, Right, And that's that's all fair,
that's all well and good, And I certainly think that
was a part of it last night, right, But I
think more than anything that was just that was a
guy trying to reconcile himself with failure. And like, you
can get mad at Wes, and you could you could say, well,

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that's not becoming of a coach, and come on, you
can't be crying, like all right, fine, But is there
is there anybody who's never not failed. And when I
say fail like he is, I think, by his own admission,
he has failed to get this program to where all
of this wanted to be. And when you know that,

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that can be extraordinarily tough. Man Like I don't have
a ton of time to get too personal, but like
when I think of moments that I know I have
failed or I thought I have failed and I've let
people down, Hell yeah, I can get emotional enough if
it's a work thing. My first radio show was taken
away from me, and I deserve to have it taken

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away from me, and it was taken away from me,
and what the plan was ended up being really good
for my career. I did not realize that at the time.
This is two thousand and nine, when I was on
from nine to noon, and then they kind of took
me and had me split the afternoon show. And that's
neither here nor that. But in that immediate aftermath, I
felt like I failed, and if I had to talk

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publicly about it, I would have sounded like that. Personal life,
I've gone through a divorce. I remember in the moments
leading up to and in the immediate aftermath of that divorce,
I felt like the biggest failure on Earth wasn't about
whose fault it was, wasn't about the mechanics of who
did what it was. I got into this with the

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idea that this was going to last forever, and it didn't,
and so I failed. And I think there's something similar
in play there. I thought what Wes gave us last
night was very revealing and it was very human. It's
very human. I don't say any of this to compel

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you to feel sorry for Wes. This is a results
oriented business. Nobody has ever denied that Wes has worked
his tail off. Nobody has ever denied that Wes cares.
Nobody has ever alleged that Wes hasn't done everything he
can to act in the best interests of the program
and get the program back to where so many of

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us wanted. But the results haven't been there. And so
as fans we can feel a lot of different things.
But if you're the person who's most directly responsible for that,
as the head coach, that has to be overwhelming, and
I'm sure would compel most of us to get emotional,
maybe not in a public forum like that. That's what

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that was. Now, there's good questions about what should happen now,
not so much what should happen or what will happen,
And you know, whatever, it is five or six weeks
and we'll get to all that a little bit later on.
But I I thought that was a real human moment
last night. It probably doesn't make you feel any different
about Wes, and that's okay. At the end of the day.

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It doesn't change the results, and what we care about
most are the results. But what I heard was somebody
who is coming toward the finish line here and he
realizes that, through no faults of his effort or intention,
that the results just haven't been there. And yes, he's
well compensated. And if the school moves on from him,

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which I think everybody now expects, he's gonna get a
nice chunk of dough to go away, and he's gonna
have other opportunities to coach, and I will root for him.
I'll root for him to do what Travis Steele has
done at Miami after getting let go of Xavier. There's
no reason not to. But I would have to imagine
that feeling of I didn't get the job done even
though I've worked so hard is incredibly overwhelming, and on

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some level, I would imagine all of us have felt
something similar. Maybe you didn't cry, maybe your eyes didn't
well up in tears, but who cares. At the end
of the day. That can be a lot to deal with.
And Wes gave us, intentionally or unintentionally a glimpse into

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what that must feel like for him. And so that's again,
I don't know that there's a take beyond that in
terms of the postgame show performance, so to speak, but
I just I thought that was really human last night.
And if your takeaway was a high major college basketball
coach can't be crying, like, okay, fine, but strip that

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away for a second and just put yourself into shoes
like you wouldn't be filled with overwhelming whether it's sadness, regret, confusion, uncertainty,
whatever it is, it wouldn't be good. And when there's
a lot of like really bad emotions sometimes it I'll

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take that ahead of striking out at people. I'll take
that ahead of excuse making. I'll take that ahead of
blaming others for the program's misfortune. And maybe you might
argue it was a little bit overdue, but he put
all of it on him, because I'm sure he feels
the weight of that. And when you feel the weight
of something like that, how are you not overcome? Wes

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was overcome last night. More on this coming up. First,
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the third or fourth consecutive year he has joined us
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awesome to have you. How are you.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
Well?

Speaker 12 (25:07):
Busy but all good man, I can't wait for the
game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
So that online has like well over a thousand props.
Walk us through to the extent that you can the
process of creating all of them.

Speaker 12 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of different props. That
the stuff that's you know common, the over underpassing yards,
that kind of stuff. I mean, that's that's the easy
for him.

Speaker 13 (25:33):
I mean there's a ton of them, absolutely, but.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
Those are stats driven. We have the data all year,
so easy. Again, Ted has put them all up, but
you know it's all based on the statistics and whatnot.
Then for the original stuff, the unique stuff, right yeah, yeah,
that that's a little more difficult. I mean there's some
that we do every year, like Gatorade for instance. I

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mean that's we kind of have a blueprint. There might
tweak it here and there, but we have our blueprint.
But then there's the stuff that's unique every year. So
let's say like halftime show, you know, Bad Bunny. It's
announced that Bad Bunny is gonna be doing the halftime
show immediately we're starting to research bad Bunny, what he does,
what he wears, and of course stories pop up, you know,

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like a controversy. Oh my god, he's gonna wear a dress. Well,
we need a prop on that. Oh my god, he
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Speaker 14 (26:31):
We immediately go to YouTube and see.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
What the.

Speaker 12 (26:36):
If he's ever done this a national anthem before? And
and if he does, we use that to make the odds.

Speaker 14 (26:41):
Unfore sheate this guy.

Speaker 12 (26:42):
There's there's nothing really out there, so we kind of
go on that blind. But yeah, then it's just about
you know, seeing all the different storylines and coming up
with unique stuff. Some stuff is crazy, some stuff is
the more bland, but uh, you know, everything is everything's
on the table. Here.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Give me in terms of actual game related props. Props
related to the actual football game, what are some of
your favorites?

Speaker 12 (27:09):
Yeah, I mean as far as the betting wise or
would get the reaction or betting wise, I mean I
can tell you what Sharps took. I mean, Sharps love
like Sharps don't on the Super Bowl, don't fit the
nine lines as much mean keeping may and nods, but they.

Speaker 11 (27:27):
Feast on the plops.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
I mean, let's see May under two hundred and twenty
five and a half passing yards. I got Bet under
thirty six and a half rushing yards. I got bet
Donald complete first attent minus two twenty five Hunter Henry
over three and a half that got pounded over at
three and a half receptions minus one twenty five. Actually

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Blue Gatoray got hit early six to one. That got
steamed in. So that you know, the sharps even bet
stuff like that and they see there's an edge.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
How much how much line movement at all has there
been with this game this week?

Speaker 12 (28:06):
Well, we opened minus four, We opened Seahawks minus four,
got bet got moved to four and a half pretty quick.
Sharps took advantage of that four. And then last week,
I think about seven days ago this time last week,
we went up to five and stayed at five. Like
I said, some sharp backs in early on four, a
little bit on four and a half two. But the

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public's on the Seahawks two. So the sharps and public
are aligned right now. I think about sixty percent of
the cast and sixty one percent of money. Are our
betters are on the Seattle Seahawks again laying five?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Dave Mason is with us from bet Online sportsbook brand
manager the broadcast itself, and this is I think reasonably
new where you can make wagers based on things that
will happen that are directly rated related to the broadcast.
Is there anything there if it sticks out? Like, can
I bet on whether there's going to be a Chris
collins Worth slide?

Speaker 11 (29:04):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (29:04):
Of course that's that's there, one hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
That's there.

Speaker 12 (29:07):
I think it's minus eight hundred pretty big favorite. But yeah,
there's all sorts of stuff there. I mean, the they
we started these number of years back and they're always popular.
Which song will be sunk first by the crowd? Sweet
Carolina Country Roads? What will they show first? Golden Gate
Bridge or Alcatraz Alcatraz Island? You know, fans, fans are

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always big celebrities in the in the in the stand,
So which which which Patriots celebrity fan will be shown first? Wahlberg, Flack,
Matt Damon, John bon Jovi, et cetera. Which Seahawks fan
will be shown first? Richard, Richard Sherman and Chris Pratt
will Ferrell, Ring, Wilson, et cetera. So so you there's

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his salary arbitration case against the Reds. The players are
now five and zero in arbitration cases, which makes me smile.
I guess Tyler Stevenson's is going to be heard on Monday,
which is the day that pitchers and catchers report. Ashcraft
will make one point seventy five million dollars this year.
The Reds offered one point twenty five. Good for I
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(31:06):
Rtvett was a catcher for the Dodgers who actually played
against the Reds in the postseason last year, and then
the Dodgers dumped him like right after the World Series,
and the Reds picked him up. Then the Reds cut
him loose. Well, he has been claimed by the Dodgers.
Kind of a weird offseason for Ben. Win the World Series,
get cut, go to the Reds. Never play for him,

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Starting tonight, the Dayton Flyers take on VCU. That game
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(31:51):
I absolutely Huntington. I wanted to say Hunterton for someone
I was totally blanking on this city that Marshall is in.
That game is going to be at four o'clock tomorrow,
also tomorrow, Indiana. It takes on for a second, I'm like,
I know It starts with an ah. I've been there.

(32:12):
I've been I've been to a Marshall basketball game, but
i've I've been to two Marshall football games against UC.
I've been there. Well, it starts with an H and
then it staid. For some reason, the name Hunterton was
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(35:35):
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house plus eight hundred not insane value. More on that
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watched last night and said, look, it's time. Let's for
Wes's sake, let's move on. Let's spare him having to

(36:21):
keep doing this, keep getting booed, keep doing postgame interviews
where he's bearing his soul. And I think there's a
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(36:42):
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for lack of a better term, handicapped by the fact
that there's a talent deficit when it comes to them
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dealing with injuries. I know everybody is basically ready to

(37:02):
move on to what's next, to move on to next year.
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or too hochy of me, I still feel like there's
a baseline responsibility to act in the best interests of
the players who do play for you, even if they
are getting paid a lot of money. And so I
guess I ask that question. I answer that question with

(37:25):
a question that I will admit I don't know the
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like there's one or two games left, there's still eight
regular season games to go. What gives this group of
players the best chance to compete, to still win games,
to put on the floor a representative product. I don't know.

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I don't know. I'm inclined to believe the best thing
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(39:23):
I'm well, man, what's going on?

Speaker 14 (39:26):
Sorry?

Speaker 13 (39:27):
Rough Street to Boston here?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Man, I've been there, yes, go ahead, yep, yep.

Speaker 13 (39:33):
So no, I was just wondering if you if you
wanted to play a game called close your Eyes. Who's
coaching ready, Dak Taylor, Wes Miller and Scott Saderfield.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I mean, Good's elite mediocrity. Elite mediocrity.

Speaker 10 (39:56):
Are you pity me there?

Speaker 13 (39:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I mean I mean, like with Zach, there is a
super Bowl appearance to hang your head on, you know,
so he does have that equity that I believe he's
cashed in. With Sadderfield and with Wes, you can't say
either have the same.

Speaker 13 (40:15):
Yeah, it's a It's definitely interesting how Cincinnati seems to draw,
you know, that, that same type of coach regardless. Yeah,
so quick question about Trey Hendrickson. He's been it's been
one of the bengals most consistent offenders. It just kind
of feels like a Jesse Bates situation. I'm flashing back here,

(40:38):
elite production and then just absolute hesitation from the front office.
I mean, I'm I'm just afraid we're gonna let him walk.
Miles Murphy is going to maybe maintain the baseline he's at.
But I didn't see anything from Shamar Stewart to say
that he's going to be any sort of stopcap.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So I understand the fear and the comparison. I'll say this,
When the Bengals let Jesse Bates go, he was twenty
five years old and was coming off five seasons where
he missed I think two games, you know, I mean,
so age was not a concern. I think with Jesse
it was we don't value safety as much. There are
lessons to be learned there. Because they're still looking for

(41:21):
his replacement with Trey Hendrickson, the concern is age and
then associated with that injury. Trey is going to be
thirty two by the end of this upcoming season, and
so I certainly share the fear that they're not going
to replace his production. And I can understand one that says,
you know what, just because he was hurt last year

(41:42):
doesn't mean we should discount the possibility of him still
being a productive player. That said, the Bengals fear about
twenty twenty six came true in twenty twenty five. They've
not had him in their plans for twenty twenty six
for a while, why age an injury? What happened in
twenty twenty five age and injury, so to a degree

(42:03):
in the short term, they got it right now. You
could also argue, well, if they didn't have plans for
him in twenty twenty six, they should have gotten out
in front of it and traded him and gotten something
for him. I'm with anybody who says that, But yeah, man,
the Bengals overall, whether it's Jesse Bates, Andrew Whitworth, any
number of players they've had on the offensive line, on

(42:24):
defense up until the end of the season this past year,
should obey a Woozier. There is a track record of
not being able to replace really good players who leave.
So if what you just said ends up not being
the case, Let's say Miles Murphy continues to ascend. Let's
say Shamar Stewart proves that he was worth taking with
the first round pick. Let's say they sign a mid

(42:46):
tier free agent who can give them not Trey Hendrickson's productivity,
but good solid productivity and be a good rotational piece,
and they draft someone, then nobody's gonna be talking about
Trey Hendrickson. Just like had Dax Hill worked out at
safety or had Gino Stone worked out at safety, we
wouldn't be talking about Jesse Bates. Really good players are

(43:06):
going to leave, really good players are going to get old,
Really good players are going to get hurt, and you go,
you know what, We're just not going to invest in
them anymore. You've got to be good at replacing him,
and the Bengals in recent history have not been.

Speaker 15 (43:19):
Yeah, I just I feel like it's it's just a
practice on the definition of insanity. You know, we're just
constantly trying the same thing, hoping to get a different result, like, oh,
maybe this guy will take a step, maybe this guy
will produce better, And it's just that constant hope when
right here we have a guy who is capable of
leading the league in sacks, doing leading the team in tackles.

(43:43):
I mean, I think he did last season what we
all wish Joe Burrow would have done, and that is
maybe kind of taken knee to let some things heal
because it was clear we were missing the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, there's there's there's to that. But like if the
concern going into last year and this, you know, this
isn't my opinion, it's it's pretty obvious the Bengals had
no plans for Trey Hendrickson in twenty twenty six. If
they did, they would have signed him. And it's reasonable

(44:18):
to assume that their hesitancy to give him a deal
for twenty twenty six was based on their belief that
his best years were behind him and he was more
likely to get hurt and we don't want to invest
in a player who's going to be, you know, thirty
two years old in twenty twenty six. If they felt
that way before this past season, nothing happened during this

(44:38):
season to change their minds. Now again, like when they
drafted Miles Murphy, I think it was fair to go, Okay,
by twenty twenty six, he'll overplaces Trey Hendrickson Right now,
you can't make that comparison as well as Miles played
at the end of the season. Well, a few years ago,
when they draft Jermaine Burton, it was okay, there's t
Higgins replacement, and then Jermaine Burton ends up being a
knucklehead and you have almost no choice but to invest

(45:01):
in t Higgins. But I actually think there are a
handful of teams that would have looked at Trey Henderson
and done something similar. Hey, his best years are behind him.
We're not gonna pay him more when we're not gonna
be getting more production. And there are other teams that
would have said, screw it. He's still a capable player.
He's meant a lot to what we've done. We still

(45:22):
think he can contribute, and yeah, we'll pay him more
because that's just how the league works. I think it
will be fascinating to see how good Tray is, how
productive he is where he goes, and ultimately whether or
not the Bengals made the correct assessment about his age
thirty one to thirty two season, or if they end
up looking silly because Trey plays great and what the

(45:43):
Bengals do to try to replace him ends up, you know,
yielding the same results as so many other plans to
try to replace other really good players.

Speaker 13 (45:53):
Yeah, I mean, I guess at the end of the
twenty twenty sixth season we.

Speaker 14 (45:57):
Will well hide that conclusion.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Why at drive safe in the streets of Boston. Man,
Thanks so.

Speaker 13 (46:02):
Much, absolutely, sir.

Speaker 11 (46:04):
I have a great day, all right.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
You do the same, like you know, the Zach sat
West thing there have been more than a few instances,
and we have beaten this to death on this show,
so excuse me if you've heard me go down this
road before. But there have been many instances where Zach
Taylor has deserved credit for something good that has happened.

(46:30):
I'm not sure he's always gotten it. We try to
give it to him here, and I'll run through some
of them here very very quickly. Super Bowl run. To
sit down and design offensive game plans against really good
teams with lots on the line when you know your
offensive line stinks for the offense to still be functional,
that's really good coaching. That's a credit to Zach Taylor

(46:54):
Jake Browning having him ready to play at a decent
enough level to keep the team afloat in twenty twenty
three and he had never taken a meaningful NFL snap.
That's good coaching. Having a rookie quarterback as talented as
he is who learns the offense from his parents couch
in Athens, doesn't go through a normal training camp, doesn't

(47:15):
really go through a normal Ota doesn't play in the
preseason because of COVID having him up to speed and
in position to come this close to winning a football
game in Week one. I think that's good coaching. So
with Zach, I don't think you have to look that
far if you're being fair, to find some successes, Like

(47:36):
the Bengals offense for the most part, has been pretty good.
Zach Taylor's an offensive coach. Like, there have been successes.
Obviously the last three years. The results speak for themselves.
They haven't been good enough. But with Zach you could
at least point to some spots where you go, you know, what,
he did the job here, He did the job here.
I think, specifically as it relates to Wes and Cincinnati,

(47:58):
programs have bad years. Certain teams just don't click. Sometimes
I have a team where the pieces just don't really fit.
The problem isn't so much this year, it's last year,
and the year after that and the year after that,
and then we're mitigating circumstances. It's hard to be a
new coach year one. It's hard to make that lead
from the AAC to the Big twelve. But I think

(48:19):
with Wes it's just there's just not a lot of
a lot of equity or past success to cash in.
And by the way, I think if you go back
to last season where the Bearcats had some pretty good
players Dylan Mitchell, Dan Skillings, Gisel James dayda A Thomas,

(48:40):
you know, good but players that have gone on to
find homes in many cases at high major schools. I
think most fans were kind of willing to go, Okay,
players are good enough, but the pieces just didn't fit. Fine,
let's hit the reset button next year. Fine play is

(49:00):
maybe as good, ideally better, but you got to make
the pieces fit. And it hasn't worked. And so now
it's year five, and I just, you know, to compare
Zach and Wes, like, I've seen Zach have some successes,
tangible successes, meaningful successes that I believe it's not that
hard to give him credit for. With Wes, look, yes

(49:23):
they've played hard, Yes they've done all the right things
in terms of not breaking in CAA rules, which there
really aren't any anymore, that there haven't been any academic issues.
The results just haven't been there. Scott's adderfield, I think
is hampered by the fact that a lot of fans
didn't want him to begin with, quite frankly, but also

(49:43):
the November record speaks for itself, and I think it
will be really interesting to gauge what everybody's baseline level
of expectation is for SAT in twenty twenty six. I think,
with Wes in particular, what makes this scenario so different is,
you know, you see basketball. Obviously, there haven't been a
lot of coaching changes. They had, you know, essentially two

(50:05):
head coaches for close to thirty years. But if you
think of, you know, in relatively recent history, when there
has been a coaching change that wasn't triggered by the
coach leaving on his own for another opportunity, the decision
hasn't been solely based on results. You know, twenty one

(50:27):
years ago, Bob Huggins was removed. Right or wrong, the
results were still pretty good. Bearcats were an NCAA tournament team.
They are still winning, you know, on a regular basis,
conference titles and conference tournament titles. It was a lot
of other stuff, a lot of other stuff that didn't
have that much to do with basketball. It was may
have been angry at the time, may still be angry now,

(50:49):
but the dismissal wasn't solely tied to on court results.
John Brannon a couple of years ago, I think it
would be really fascinating to see what would have happened
had John's last team that you see been really, really,
really good during the COVID year. But you know, the
dismissal didn't feel like it had that much to do
with on court results. If you want to fold football

(51:11):
into the conversation. Tommy Tubberville's results his last two seasons
weren't great, but I think there was a real sense that, like,
this guy isn't fully committed to the job. He said
a lot of really dumb things toward the end. The
decision might have been mostly driven by onfield results. I'm
not sure at least the public angst was solely tied

(51:32):
to on field results. I think with Wes, what is
so different about this? And I think to a degree
why some fans not most by, Why why some fans
are just struggling with this so much. There's no like
other thing. There's no NCAA scandal, there's no academic issue,
there's no issue with players getting in trouble, there's no

(51:55):
off court behavior that has brought embarrassment to the programs
of that. It's just the wins haven't been there, the
tournament appearances haven't been there, And I think to a
degree from a UC perspective, that's that's kind of what
makes this unique. It's what makes it difficult, and I
it is difficult, like who wanted this? Who wanted the

(52:20):
head coach at you see to not get the job done?
Now you know, Wes is expressing it in ways that
I think are human that reflect a guy who feels like,
you know what, I've done everything I can and it
just hasn't worked. And maybe the word failure is a
bit strong, but you may feel like a failure. I
think from a fan perspective, it's like we thought this
had a chance to work. It hasn't. Like there's anger,

(52:45):
there's frustration. I think most fans would be very willing
to say that Wes has done I don't want to
say the best he can, but he's there has been.
There's no reason other than the results to want to
move on. But the results are what mattered the most.

(53:05):
The results are ultimately what all of us care about
more than anything, and so it's tough man like, it's
it's I think it's I think a lot of fans
are just struggling with the weirdness of we don't we
like this guy. We want to like this guy, but
we hate the results, and so you know, we're gonna
find somebody who's gonna achieve different results. And there's no

(53:27):
other thing to drive the conversation.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Nineteen minutes after four o'clock five point three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty is our phone number. Yeah, the Trey Hendrickson thing,
I mean, it will be fascinating to see if the
Bengals got this right. And look, they've they they they
bet that that Jesse Bates that they were gonna be
able to replace him. They couldn't. He's still playing at
a high level. They made a wager that Andrew Whitworth

(53:53):
was not going to play at a high level into
the second half of his thirties. They got that wrong.
They also moved on from some players that like you
never heard from again, Carl Lawson, William Jackson, players like that,
like not every player who has left has gone on
to make them regret it. But they've also done a
better job with some of those guys of replacing them.
And then there's a whole bunch of guys they haven't
been able to replace what they do with Trey Hendrickson.

(54:14):
What Trey Hendrickson does in the NFL in twenty twenty
six is gonna be fascinating, because I'm not sure either
outcome is surprising. Would you be stunned to see Trey
Hendrickson put together like a twelve or thirteen sack season
and help a team that needs a pass rush boost.

Speaker 14 (54:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Would it be that stunning to see a guy who's
gonna turn thirty two go through or continue to go
through a decline? No, And the Bengals are gonna be
judged by either. If he goes on and has success,
it's you dopes, let a guy like that get away.
And if they got it right, it's yeah, they got

(54:58):
out in front of it at almost the right time.
But if a year ago the Bengals did not have
Trey Hendrickson in their twenty twenty sixth plan, did anything
happen over the last year to compel them to change
their minds. You may believe they should change their mind
but looking at it from their perspective, which is we

(55:20):
didn't have plans for him in twenty twenty six. He
didn't do anything in twenty twenty five to compel them
to suddenly pivot in another direction. Twenty one minutes after
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King for another victory tomorrow at Marshall. That's a four
o'clock game in Huntington. I got a text from a
friend of a friend who lives in Huntington that I
cannot read on the air. Miami ranked twenty third in

(56:48):
the latest AP Top twenty five pole. The RedHawks are
twenty three and oh they are one of two undefeated
teams in high major college basketball. I saw this. I
saw this tweet last night from a guy by the
name of A Jason Shear, who is with Wildcatauthority dot
com and he is the co host of the Wildcats
Scoop podcast. And he's a big Arizona guy, which Arizona

(57:12):
is awesome. If you're a UC fan, you may have
seen the Bearcats play Arizona. If you're a college basketball fan,
you probably are familiar with how good Arizona is this year.
They are awesome. They are twenty three and zero. Their
undefeated record is not the same as Miami's undefeated record.
Anybody with half a brain knows that. But Jason tweeted
late last night. I guess he tweeted yesterday afternoon, and

(57:34):
I retweeted him late last night. The Miami of Ohio
story gets a lot less cooler when you realize the
strength of schedule is three sixty three. I don't know
what this man's motivation is, but it's interesting. Here's somebody
who's a big Arizona guy randomly tweeting about the Miami Radhawks.
Arizona's undefeated, Miami is undefeated. We don't need a fight

(57:56):
between the two. Arizona is a bona fide national CHAMPIONI contender.
Apologies to Travis Steel. The RedHawks probably aren't. If Arizona
played Miami in a rematch of an NCAA tournament game
played in nineteen ninety five one by Miami. But if
Arizona played Miami, I'm guessing Arizona would win, And if

(58:17):
they played again after that, I'm guessing Arizona would win.
And I'm guessing if they played again after that, Arizona
would win. And if they played another five or six times,
Arizona would probably win. And that's okay. Like, there's the
beautiful thing about this sport. There's there's room for lots
of different types of fun stories and lots of different
types of really good teams. Miami's a cool story. Miami

(58:38):
would be a cool story. And you may disagree. If
they were twenty one and two, Miami was a cool story.
Last year, they weren't getting nearly as much attention because
they weren't undefeated. But midway through the season last year,
it was I think very clear to anybody who cares
or anybody who was paying attention that, like Travis Steele,

(58:59):
has had turned things around a little bit. At this
time a year ago, Miami was seventeen and five with
a nine to one record in the MAC. Now, they
lost a bunch of games toward the end of the season.
They lost a heartbreaker in the MAC Conference in MAC
Conference in the MAC Tournament title game, didn't make the
NCAA tournament. But like Miami basketball turned the corner last

(59:21):
year and then brought back ten dudes from last year's team,
and so it was reasonable to expect they might be
really good. Unfortunately, they can't get anybody to play him.
That has been well documented. Nobody, including Travis Steel himself,
on multiple occasions, would claim that the schedule is anything
other than what it is, which it's not great metrically

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and otherwise. But the reason why Miami is a cool story,
and maybe I hold the minority opinion here, isn't that
they're undefeated. Miami's a cool story for two other reasons. One,
a very long dormant program that shouldn't be dormant, I mean,
I'm not a Miami fan or a lum. Let's be honest, man.

(01:00:07):
In the nineteen years I've been on the air, we
haven't talked a lot about Miami basketball. Why it's been
basically a non factor for much of this century Unless
you heard Lance talking about how he wanted to drink
lemonade on his sports with Charlie Coles. How often do
we talk about Miami basketball the program for the better
part of this century. Wally zerbiaks last year in Oxford

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was twenty seven years ago. Since then, largely a non factor,
fun run to the tournament in two thousand and seven
when they won the MAC Tournament. Beyond that, tons of
losing seasons, whole bunch of coaches that everybody has forgotten,
never really making a dent in the local sports landscape.

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Now the program matters, and it's got a chance to
win a regular season conference championship, which is extremely undervalued
in this sport that in itself is a cool story.
Long Dorman program is reawakened, and so has the campus
around it, So have fans, So have a lums. Look,

(01:01:09):
I'm not dumb, well i am, but I'm not dumb
enough to think that folks who are going to Mallet
Hall have been living and dying with every RedHawks game.
Many have, some have not. That's okay, most sports fans
are bandwagon fans, but that dynamic. Whether you are enjoying
an undefeated season or just a year where you have
a chance to win a regular season title and you've

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got a chance to play in the NCAA tournament, that
is cool. That's a cool story. Long Dorman program is reawakened,
so taiale as old as sports themselves. Travis Steel is
also a cool story. I don't know what Travis is
going to do over the course of the next couple months,

(01:01:52):
a couple of years, ten years. I don't know if
he's going to stay in Oxford. I don't know if
he desires to coach the highest of of high majors.
I have no idea, but I do think there's something
pretty cool about a guy getting a shot at Xavier,
it not working out, and then making the most of

(01:02:14):
a second opportunity. What it means for him, I have
no idea, but that's a cool story. That that was
a cool story last year. Miami wasn't undefeated last year,
So like I don't know, you know, we always said
we want to root for the little guy. Here's a
little guy. We want the old way of college basketball.

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
This team had ten guys from last year's We love
redemptive stories. Travis Steele is one. We love a dormant
program that's reawakened. That's Miami for you. I cannot imagine
if you care about this is Arizona basketball. Okay, Arizona basketball,
and you've got to pick a beef with Miami. Like,

(01:02:55):
if you're an Arizona fan, you want to navigate the
Big Twelve undefeated, which would be a remarkable accomplishment. You
want to get to a Final four for the first
time in forever. You want to win a national championship
like and and and gotta, we gotta, we gotta make

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sure we remind everybody that our undefeated record is different
than Miami's undefeated record. Everybody knows that the beauty of
this sport is you could have two teams in February
that are undefeated. Look, Miami schedule hasn't been awesome, but
it's not like Arizona playing the same type of non
conference schedule. It's Miami playing that kind of non conference schedule. Arizona,

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who everybody will play, plays that kind of schedule. It's
inexcusable Miami plays that kind of schedule. It's a result
of nobody else wanting to play him. We do not
need an Arizona versus Miami beef, do we? Twenty seven
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Toledo in Toledo. What are we doing? Now? We're making
fun of the boot barn guy and I got distracted.
Do we still have Taron Jason with us? Jason, You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Apparently the answer is yes.

Speaker 11 (01:07:16):
Go ahead, Well, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I'm well, Jason, what's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
All right?

Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
So I'm going to read a few stats off between
two different quarterbacks. I want to see if you can
guess who they are. Okay, fifty nine point three percent
completion percentage, thirty two thousand plus yards, one hundred and
ninety seven touchdowns, and one hundred and sixty interceptions. Who
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
So I just have to guess blindly based on these statistics?
All right? That's I'm cheating because I know Ken Anderson
had one hundred and ninety seven touchdown passes. So that's
Ken Anderson correct?

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
All right?

Speaker 11 (01:07:58):
Now, this kind fifty point one percent completion percent age,
twenty seven thousand plus yards, one hundred and seventy three touchdowns,
and two hundred and twenty interceptions. Who is that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Give me, give me one? Is that a Hall of Famer?
Give me that hint?

Speaker 11 (01:08:17):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Is that Ken Stabler?

Speaker 12 (01:08:21):
Nope?

Speaker 11 (01:08:22):
One more gift?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Uh? Is it like Bob Greasy?

Speaker 11 (01:08:32):
No, it's Joe Namath.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
It's Joe Namath.

Speaker 11 (01:08:35):
Okay, explain how Joe Namath is in the Hall of
Fame and Ken Anderson is not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Well. As much as I hate to do this, Joe
Namath won a super Bowl and an iconic one, and
he was a star that sort of transcended football. You know, commercials,
the Joe Namath show wearing pantyhose. His love life was
well documented, and so he's more famous than Ken Anderson.

(01:09:06):
And like, by the way, in the AFL when we
had the merger, he led the league in a bunch
of different categories. But if you want to tell me
that Joe Namath was a better quarterback than Ken Anderson,
you gave me all these statistics I need to know
to say that you're wrong. So you and I aren't
exactly the same page I have no issue with Joe

(01:09:28):
Namath being in campon. He's a seminal figure in the
growth of the NFL. And you know, he was a
pro bowler and All Pro all of that. Fine, But
if you look at the two like Football Reference pages
side by side, Joe Namath had more picks than touchdowns.
Joe Namath had some seasons at the.

Speaker 9 (01:09:51):
End of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
At the end of his career. Look, he had a
massive amount of injuries, his knees were shot, where he
was a liability to his team. His peak was not
as long as Ken Anderson's was the entirety of their career. Statistically,
Ken was better. But Namath has a ring played in
New York. He was Broadway Joe and Ken was a

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guy who went to a school in Illinois that nobody
has ever heard of, playing in Cincinnati uh, an upstart
franchise in the seventies, and a team that didn't win
a championship in nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 11 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I get that, but I think it irritates me
that Namath is in the Hall of Fame more for
stuff off the field than on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, and again, like that's that's not to take away
from what he did do. I mean, there was there
was a there was a stretch, you know, before the
merger where Joe Namath was the face of the AFL.
And and that's fine, Like I had no issue with
him being in Campton. I nothing against him, but Ken
Anderson was the better player. But you're right to be

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agitated by a voter who would look at Joe Namath
and think about that have nothing to do with football,
when Ken, through no fault of his own, doesn't have
those things. What Ken does have is a statistical resume
that's better than Joe Namath and comparable to a lot
of guys who are in can.

Speaker 11 (01:11:16):
Well. I'm you know, and I'm also looking at his
AFL stats too. Ninety seven touchdowns, one hundred and four interceptions,
fifty point two completion percentage. That's not not that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Great, no, No, I mean, if if you were to
do what you did with me to anybody else and
just read the numbers, they would say not a Hall
of Famer. And like all right played. You know, obviously
Ken entered the NFL in the early seventies, but but
Joe's still a big part of an era where you know,
if you completed fifty percent of your passes. It was
a big deal where teams leaned on the running game

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a whole lot, a whole lot more than they did.
You know, by the time Ken was, you know, had
become a star in Cincinnati. But if the first thing
you look at in any comparison between two players in
determining their Hall of Fame worthiness, if one guy's in
the Hall and you look at his numbers, and the
other guy's numbers are better, which in Ken's case, they

(01:12:11):
clearly are right. It it it should be. It should
bother you. And it is comical that Ken doesn't get
in and name it does. And like I like, I understand,
you're you're, you're, you're. You're talking about voters who have
their own criteria and and the people who voted in

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Joe Namath are probably not voting for who's in the
Hall of Fame now. But I always think that the
first thing you should do is compare any candidate to
people who are already in. And you can make an
argument that Joe Namath is the worst quarterback in Canton,
that doesn't mean that he wasn't deserving. Somebody's got to
be the worst. Ken Anderson's better than Joe Namath, and

(01:12:55):
then it's do you hold against him the fact that
he didn't win a ring. I do not. It's not
like not winning a ring has kept other quarterbacks out.
Dan Founz never even played in a Super Bowl. He's in.
Dam Marino obviously deserves to be in. Never won a
Super Bowl. That's not held against him. And maybe those
two players were statistically better. But if there's a precedent

(01:13:16):
of not holding not winning a ring against players, and
then there are players in the Hall of Fame that
Ken is better than than, leaving him out to me
doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 11 (01:13:27):
No, it doesn't to me either. I would just as
anybody come out and ever said the reason why they
don't vote any in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Well, again, everybody's got their own reasons. The frustrating thing
about this process is number one, there's confusion as to
how it works, and number two, there's no obligation for transparency.
And so I think what we It might not make

(01:13:59):
us feel any better, but it would at least be
interesting to hear from a voter who says, look, I
carefully vetted this out. I listened to the case that
has made for Kenny. I've done the research. Here's why
the answer is no. I thought when Ken Stabler got in,
I thought when Ken Stabler got and it voted well
for Kenny because I thought Kenny was as good of

(01:14:19):
a player. The difference is Ken Stabler won a ring,
cool nickname, Kenny Anderson did not know cool nickname. I
would be willing to bet that if you got everybody
who's ever had a chance to vote for Ken together
and ask them, I believe you would certainly get a
wide variety of reasons why they didn't vote for him,

(01:14:41):
But the one that you would hear the most would
be he didn't win a ring playing the game's most
important position. I think that's a really short sighted way
of looking at things. I think that's a really unfair
way of looking at things. But I think that would
be the reason. But it would be great to know
that that's the reason, instead of speculating as to what
the reason is.

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
Yeah, I should be the entire body of work, not
just whether you got or not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
We're on the same page. I did appreciate the thought exercise.
Sorry I kind of cheated. Thanks so much, man, Man.

Speaker 11 (01:15:15):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
You know, if you if you look at this is
not the most scientific metric or most scientific way to
judge such things. But if you look at Pro Football Reference,
and they do this for baseball players as well, they
there's a tool. It's similar players, players whose career was
of similar quality and shape, and they do it through

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pretty much every year of a player's career once they're established.
So for NFL players, it's it's year three. So, for instance,
in Ken Anderson's eighth year, his eighth season was comparable
to that of Troy Aikman, Donovan McNabb, Joe Namath, Joe Montana,
Drew Bledsoe, Bob Greasy, Jim Everett, Jim Zorn, Carson Palmer.
Obviously not all those guys are Hall of Famers, but

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if you look at the career career players whose career
was of similar quality and shape, here are some of
the names. Dan Fouts Hall of Fame, Joe Montana Hall
of Fame, Terry Bradshaw Hall of Fame, Bob Greasy Hall
of Fame, Warren Moon Hall of Fame. Ken Anderson should

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be in the Hall of Fame nine minutes away from
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When I took his call, he was on his way up.

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He was on his way up to Radio Row. Yes,
on his way up to the Super Bowl.

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Right.

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Very good. I heard something on a different radio station
last night that makes me wonder something about Mike. We'll
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Five A four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. It's last
hour of the week at least for us. Hope your
weekend is off to a great start off. Moweger, thank you,
Thank you for listening. Thanks. We were talking last hour
about Ken Anderson in the Hall of Fame, and I
don't want to slight Willie Anderson because Willie did this
a few years ago where he had folks that like

(01:18:13):
Pro Football Focus do a deep dive into you know,
how good he was, because he like legitimately wanted to
make the argument like, yeah, man, I'm I'm a Hall
of Famer. I'm I'm a legitimate Hall of Famer. I'll
say this, I've done not a total one to eighty.
But what you know, when I was I don't know,
as a kid or you know, for much of my
adult life, I always felt it was like sort of

(01:18:36):
unbecoming to hear someone talk about how they wanted to
be in the Hall of Fame, you know that they
deserve those accolades, and it's like, wait a minute, we're
talking about like the most competitive people of all time.
We're talking about folks who like, Yes they've been awarded
lots of accolades, Yes they've accomplished a lot, Yes they've
made tons of money. But who doesn't want to be
regarded as one of the very best of the best

(01:18:57):
of the best of the best. If there was a
a realistic chance I could be in the Radio Hall
of Fame, I would want to be in the Radio
Hall of Fame. I'm smart enough to know I'm lucky
if I could just get through every show, much less
be in the Radio Hall of Fame. But if, like iHeartMedia,
Cincinnati had a Hall of Fame, which frankly, we should,
I at some point want to be in it. So

(01:19:18):
I get it. Willie wants me in the Hall of Fame,
Anderson and Ken Anderson wants me in the Hall of Fame,
and I get it. We're gonna get to Wes Miller
and the Bearcats coming up here in a bit. Plus
I've got five Super Bowl bets you should make, and
a quick thought on the Reds. As spring training draws closer,
hopefully we'll get to that. Spring training begins on Monday.

(01:19:41):
Are you with me now? As it relates to the
Hall of Fame did this last week. My take on
the Hall of Fame is, you know, they're nice museums
to visit. We've inflated their importance. Got a lot of
pushback when I said that, because we've been trained to
think that Halls of Fame are like these mythical plays,
mystical places, if you will, these sacred shrines in they're museums.

(01:20:06):
And if you're elected to the Hall of Fame in football,
you get a bronze bust, and you get a day
to get to make a speech, and a gold jacket.
And I'm sure there's other types of benefits. But as
as a fan, I believe, and maybe I'm still in
the minority, you could tell me Halls of Fame are
no longer as useful. They're certainly no longer as useful

(01:20:28):
as they used to be. Like, I feel bad, and
I'm guessing this is where most Bengals fans are coming from.
Feel bad for Willie Anderson, you feel bad for Ken Anderson.
Both are good men, Both are deserving candidates, and I
think you know, as iconic members of this franchise, which

(01:20:49):
both are, who doesn't want to see them get their
moment it's it's completely reasonable to be sad, for them
to be upset, for them to feel like they're getting
deprived of what most of us believe would be a
really cool and meaningful moment for them and their families,
a chance to tell their story, a chance to stand

(01:21:11):
up there, get the jacket, make the speech, have somebody
induct them like that would be awesome. Can you imagine,
like that's your dad, or that your grandfather, or that's
one of your best friends, and they get that moment
like it's incredibly meaningful and so man it it stinks.

(01:21:31):
I'll be as gentle as possible that neither guy is
gonna get it this year, and maybe neither guy ever will.
I don't know. I don't know, but we got to
stop using the Hall of Fame as a barometer to
measure greatness. We just had a conversation with a guy
named Jason last hour who brought up Joe namath Man,
and I'm I'm more than aware of joe name is

(01:21:53):
significance to pro football in this country. Was not a
better football player, was not a better quarterback than Ken
Anderson was, So why are we using the Hall of
Fame as a barometer for greatness when it's it's an
inaccurate one, it's an unfair one. It's it's one where
the people who who choose the Hall of Famers could

(01:22:14):
apply ridiculous criteria, and like, that's that's that's the beauty
of voting. Nobody wants to take away votes like that,
the beauty of of you in the ballot box versus
me in the ballot boxes. You may care about other
things than I do. You may prefer different types of
candidates than I do, and that's that's okay. We all
apprior apply our own criteria, but understanding that we gotta

(01:22:38):
stop using Halls of Fame as a barometer for greatness.
It has They have exceeded their usefulness, and the validation
the validation of others has never seemed less important. It
is not hard to judge what Ken Anderson did, what
his impact was, and what he meant to the bet,

(01:23:00):
to the team that we care about. Willy Anderson's a
little bit different because it's just it's more difficult to
measure offensive line play. But we watched him here. We
know how good the guy was. We also know the
obstacles that worked against him for most of his career,
Willy Anderson played for trash teams, Like I mean that
dude put up with having to play out a lot

(01:23:21):
of really crappy franchises or a lot of really crappy
teams for what was for most of his time here,
bad franchise. Fortunately, he was a major reason why the
thing got turned around in the mid two thousands, made
the playoffs in two thousand and five, and it's one
of the reasons why he's beloved. But we could put
Willie Anderson's career in the proper context. I can do

(01:23:41):
that without a bunch of Hall of Fame voters who
are not compelled or required to offer any real insight
into why they voted the way they did. So you know,
I know I beat this to death last week, but
last night to me was a reminder like, okay, fine,
they're not getting in, and so unfortunately for you and I,

(01:24:02):
you're not going to get a chance to drive to Canton,
Ohio and pay the admission and walk through the hall
and look at a bust that may or may not
look like Willy Anderson or Ken Anderson. I wish I could,
We can't. Does that make them any less great in
your eyes? Does that make them any less important in
your eyes? By the way, I hope the folks who

(01:24:26):
run the Bengals were paying attention to this. The argument
for a ring of honor for years was, you know,
you got dudes like Ken Anderson and Willy Anderson and
others who may or may not ever get their moment
in Canton, so let them have one in Cincinnati. Bengals
are going to take a good hard look at how
they do the Ring of Honor. Maybe you disagree, but

(01:24:47):
I am a I'm a proponent of a big ring
of honor. Like I don't think we have to make
it that exclusive. But the reason for having a big
ring of honor now is you have a lot of
dudes who are deserving. Like Bob Trumpy passed away a
few months ago. Bob Trumpy will probably be in the
Ring of Honor one day. Why do we have to
wait until he's dead? Like, couldn't give that guy his

(01:25:09):
moment at what used to be called Paul Brown Stadium.
We got to stop gatekeeping the thing here locally, understanding
that what stinks about not getting Ken and Willie into
the hall isn't that they don't get a bust it's
that they don't get a moment. So how about this,
when it comes to your franchise greats or in some
cases your franchise is really goods, give them their moments.

(01:25:33):
Bob Trump, he should have gotten his moment at Peikor
Stadium last year or two years ago. And there's lots
of people on that ballot who should have already had
their moments. Give it to him. Now, put all those
dudes who have been on the ballot already and put
him in twelve minutes after five o'clock. That went down
last night. So did the basketball game you see in

(01:25:55):
West Virginia. Let's get to the game itself first at halftime,
knowing what you know, knowing what you know. If you're
a Bearcat fan, which was they're shorthanded, especially in the
front court. No mustapha cham means you're gonna have to
ask Baba Miller to never leave the floor. You're gonna

(01:26:15):
ask more of how Vinzela. You're gonna ask more of
Tyler McKinley, who started last night. They played pretty well
in the first half, well enough to build a ten
point lead. They were good on the glass, very good defensively.
Up thirty to twenty. But knowing how this works and
knowing what you know, the issues with sustaining anything in
any game, the issues they've had closing out games, that

(01:26:38):
ten point lead felt tenuous, when a balloon to fourteen
early in the second felt like a house of cards.
So the result itself, the way it unfolded, with Honor
Huff going off and the Bearcats breaking down offensively and
just not executing at all. Be honest, man, none of

(01:26:58):
that was surprising. The bigger ends up being Wes Miller
after the game. You'll hear what he had to say
in the post game. I'm sure you've heard it by
now already. In just a second, there's a video circulating
on Twitter of him talking to some fans, and I
don't think he's being a jerk by any stretch, but
it's a different version of what he said to Dan

(01:27:18):
and Terry after the game last night. And I thought
it was a very revealing glimpse into what Wes is
going through right now. And I don't say this to
try to compel anybody to feel sorry for him. It's
just this is where they are. They're eleven and twelve,
it's year five. There was already a ton of pressure
coming into the season. The season has gone poorly. He's

(01:27:41):
getting bowed, team is getting bowed. Folks are ready to
hit the ejec button. It is I think very very
very likely that Wes Miller is not going to be
the coach at you see next year. And that's that's
got a way on some So here is the post

(01:28:01):
game last night, Taran, if you can cut it up
for me, here's the postgame last night. I don't think
West deserves any amount of criticism for what you're about
to hear. You want a criticism for how he's coached.
Fair game, We've done it. You want to criticize him
for the lack of results, Fair game, We've done it.
Want to criticize him for some of the things he

(01:28:21):
has said in postgame interviews this year? Hell yeah, fair game,
We've done it. This I think this is just a
human moment. Go ahead and play the audio cut.

Speaker 8 (01:28:32):
You are in good position to win this game with
about fifteen minutes to go, up by twelve in West
Virginia obviously went out a run from there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
What change?

Speaker 8 (01:28:41):
What allowed the Mountaineers to pull this game out in
the last fifteen.

Speaker 9 (01:28:45):
Well, we did such a good job on Huff for
a stretch, like executed our game plan masterfully, and then
he got loose. I think he scored twelve in a
row at one point he did. And then we got
tight on offense and we stopped making plays. Uh, we
weren't able to convert plays. We we didn't play with

(01:29:06):
the same confidence that we played with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
We got a little.

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
Tight, and we we tried to go with the group
that was the best tonight, and they probably didn't have
enough in the tank.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
To do what we had to do.

Speaker 9 (01:29:17):
But I'll say this to you guys, and and to
everybody that's listening.

Speaker 16 (01:29:23):
I uh, everybody deserves to be frustrated with us and
with me, and uh it ain't okay to me. I
am uh, I'm sorry, it's not it's not okay.

Speaker 9 (01:29:40):
There's no excuse. So I'm I'm sorry to people out there.
We have to finish games. Uh, that's the responsibility of
coaching at this program.

Speaker 10 (01:29:52):
And I'm really I'm really sorry.

Speaker 9 (01:29:54):
I promise everybody out there you deserve to be frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Say what you say or what you deserve it. I
promise you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:02):
I'm giving every part of my soul to this thing
and I care deeply about this program and it ain't okay.
So I don't want anybody to think I think it's okay.
It's not, and people deserve to be frustrated. Nobody is
more frustrated with the results than I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
I don't believe that's an appeal for sorrow. I don't
believe that's an appeal for anybody to give him a
second chance. I think that's a guy who understands what
the likely outcome here is who took this job, not
imagining that five years in that he'd leave on his
own volition without having accomplished what he was hired to accomplish.

(01:30:43):
And like, yeah, man, he makes a lot of money.
He's going to get paid a lot of money if
he goes away. Okay, that doesn't dehumanize anybody. And like,
at the end of the day, all that matters are
the results. The results aren't there. This is a result
based business. Nobody we talked about this three weeks ago
when Wes was taking a dramatically different tone during his

(01:31:04):
postgame shows. There's nobody who doesn't recognize, like, this guy's
worked hard, this guy's done the best that he can.
I don't have a more plain way of saying it.
It's not been because he hasn't cared, and it hasn't
been because he hasn't done everything in his power to
make this program better, and it just hasn't worked. And

(01:31:27):
so you and I as fans can go, Okay, what's next,
and that's gonna happen. But I thought there was a
revealing glimpse into what it's like to kind of be
at the center of all that, where what's next for
him has to wait while you process failing. And I
hate to use that word because it sounds harsher than
it is, but you know, put yourself in his shoes.

(01:31:50):
He's not making excuses. Maybe if you pressed him privately,
he would offer some. I don't know, but I was
brought here to do a certain job. I haven't done it.
My best haven't done it. Who among us can't relate
to that like legitimately? Who among us personally, professionally somewhere
can't relate to I threw my heart into this. I've

(01:32:13):
done everything I thought I could. I've done what I
thought was right. I've worked my ass off, and I
just I've I haven't achieved the results that I was
hired to achieve. I don't care how much money you make.
I don't care what your your status in life is.
I don't I don't care what golden parachute you may have.
On the other end, that has to be overwhelming. I

(01:32:35):
say it like I don't know. I do know. I
mean I if every time I failed at something that
I really really, really really worked hard at, I had
to then you know, talk about it publicly at some point,
I'd bear my soul. If I had to do a
radio show the day I got divorced, it would have
sounded like that. If I had to go on air
when my first radio show got canceled, That's what I

(01:32:57):
would have sounded like, and so many of us would
as well. So look, man, fair to wonder where are
they gonna go next? Fair to wonder if it's time
to go ahead and just move on now? Like I
think Wes would admit that, I would counter that I'm
not entirely sure that would be best for the players
who are in the program now, and that should be
a consideration. But you know, viewing that as a purely

(01:33:21):
human moment last night, that's all it was. That's that's
all it was. And I frankly, I found that more
relatable than anything. Wes has played a lot of different
cards in the postgame interview, and there's there's also a
part of me that thinks, like, dude, game ends take
a little bit longer before you come back out. That's
a different conversations. He's been angry with his players, he's

(01:33:46):
defended his players, he's tried to accentuate the positives in losses.
He's come at people on social media that he perceives
as taking unfair shots at him. I don't know what
the next one's gonna sound like. I don't know what
the one's gonna sound like after that. There are probably
more losses to come, maybe on Sunday to UCF. And
so now what happens in the postgame has taken on

(01:34:06):
a life of its own, and I you know, my
first takeaway last night was like, holy crap, there aren't
just one or two more games left. There's eight regular
season games. There's still a month to go. But that
to me last night was a guy letting you and
I in, I haven't gotten the job done. This is
weighing on me. It kills me. I feel bad. This

(01:34:28):
isn't what I intended. This isn't what I was hired
to do. That's incredibly hard, and I think all that
was last night was him just authoring a very human
moment twenty one after five o'clock ESPN, fifteen thirty, and like,
you know, what's what's next for this program is I

(01:34:49):
think it's a really good job in a great league.
And assuming that this is it, which is one might
argue unfair. I think that you see is going to
be in a pretty good position relative to other times
where maybe they've had a head coaching vacancy. We'll see
twenty one twenty two now after five o'clock five point

(01:35:10):
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number,
the Reds thing that I was going to get to earlier.
I might move to Monday because Monday is the first
day of spring training. The best four words in the
English language pitchers and catchers report. We do have some
Super Bowl wagers to make and do we have a

(01:35:31):
mic in LA sound alike? Mike is supposed to join
us from California, which is where he lives, but he's
going to the Super Bowl, and I believe we're going
to hear from him here shortly on ESPN fifteen thirty
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This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Mulager, thanks for listening. We
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one of our most loyal listeners is a guy who
I'm sure if you listen to this show on a
regular basis. First of all, if that's you, thank you.

(01:36:42):
Uh is our our friend Mike from La. Mike is
apparently en route. Mike has gone through a lot of
health challenges, served as country with great heroism. He is
apparently en route to the San Francisco area where he's
gonna get a chance to go to the Super Bowl,
according to him, and so that is awesome. Mike calls

(01:37:02):
the show on a very very very regular basis, and
so his voice is one that is very very very
familiar to me, and if you're in our audience, and
obviously right now you are familiar to you as well.
Last night, I left Fifth Third Arena and I turned
on seven hundred WLW and Dan Carroll was on, and

(01:37:26):
I honestly didn't know who was going to be on.
I didn't know if they'd be talking about the basketball game.
Dan was on, and he was not talking about the
basketball game. He was talking about far more serious things
happening in the news and in the world, with his
own special slant on those things happening in the world.
What I'm about to play for you has is the

(01:37:49):
content is irrelevant to this discussion. But he got a
phone call, and I just wanted to play a few
minutes or a few seconds of the audio because it
sounded a lot like Mike calling under a different name
talking about something he typically wouldn't talk about on this show.
Tarrean play that audio.

Speaker 14 (01:38:08):
Well, and the list of the positive effects of his
immigration control program. Huh that we have the lowest murder
rate in one hundred and twenty five years. They're not
emphasizing enough to positive benefits from everything he needs doing.
I mean crime is going down. You know, more people
are going to get work now as we send these
people back to the countries they come from.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Now, that guy's name last night is Ken? Is is
Mike calling other non sports shows using a different name?

Speaker 14 (01:38:38):
Tarran?

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Did that sound to you like Mike?

Speaker 10 (01:38:40):
That definitely sounded like Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
It sounds like Mike, doesn't It like the the the
content that they were discussing. I could not have been
less interested in. But I'm listening to it, going, hey,
Mike's calling. Wait, that's not Mike, but wait and then
and then you know, Dan at the end of the
calls like, hey Ken, thanks so much. I'm like, well,
that's wait a bit at that's Ken? Is Mike Ken? Taran?

(01:39:04):
Do you know you work on a lot of different shows,
mainly this one obviously is Mike Ken.

Speaker 10 (01:39:09):
I can confirm that Mike is not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Can you so? Ken's his own person and Mike's his
own person.

Speaker 10 (01:39:15):
Yes, But the audio we just played does sound a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Like Mike, give it, just give me, give me a
few more seconds of quote air quotes.

Speaker 14 (01:39:23):
Ken crime is going down. You know, more people are
gonna get work now as we send these people back
to the countries they come from. They don't talk about
any of that. They allow, they allow the media just
to keep spewing this propaganda left and right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Sounds like Mike to me, man, are we are we
totally sure that Mike and Ken are entirely different people?

Speaker 10 (01:39:47):
I can I can confirm that, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
So you've now I've met, We've met Mike. Mike has
come up to the station. Mike is gonna bring uh
Arran the next time he's in town, or maybe he'll
just mail it, but he's gonna bring him something from
this super Bowl. So I've met Mike. I've not met Ken,
or Mike and Ken ever been spotted together in.

Speaker 10 (01:40:06):
The same place that I can't affirm that though.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I'm driving last night from from Clifton to my favorite
Thursday watering hole on the West Side, and I'm going, well, well,
hang on, I feel that like Mike calls other shows,
but I'm like, I feel cheated on, and Mike is
like showing this showing us this other dimension that you know,
obviously we do not ask him to tap into here
because this is a sports, fun and game show. And

(01:40:31):
then you got Mike on and he's talking about I
think nationalizing voting. Again, the the content could not have
been I was not in the mood to listen to
any of that after watching the Bearcats blow that game
last night. All right, well, hopefully Mike is having the
time of his life in San Francisco. He is, I guess,
going to where Radio Row is, which you know, Mike

(01:40:53):
has served our country and he has been a hero,
and the best we could do is Radio Row. Now,
yes he's gonna get to go to the game on Sunday.
But if you want to reward somebody for their service
to the country, take them anywhere but the saddest place
on earth. By the way, can I just tell you
something real quick. I get to the basketball game last

(01:41:14):
night and we're sitting down getting ready to go on
the air, and Dan Horde, the Great Dan Horde, looks
at me and goes, what's your beef with Radio Row?
Dan feels the exact opposite is I do about Radio Row?
All right, Well, we hope Mike has a blast at
the Super Bowl along with his other veteran friends and

(01:41:35):
well deserved, and I'm sure we'll hear from him multiple
times next week twenty six. Let's do some Super Bowl
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(01:42:49):
College hoops, It's time for the unsponsored weekend tip off.
This is going to be an unbelievable weekend of college basketball.
You got Saint John's and Yukon tonight, which is gonna
be great. Tomorrow, Duke in Carolina, Tennessee's at Kentucky Houston,
and BYU. Lots of great games. Let's go with the
local ones Tonight. Dayton's at VCU. Flyers broke that four

(01:43:13):
game losing streak with a win on Tuesday, not a
very convincing win over Saint Bonaventure, weird vibes at d Arena.
VCU has an outside ish chance at being an at
large team in the Atlantic ten. I don't know what
Dayton does well enough for any of us to believe
the Flyers can go on a late season run. Seven

(01:43:34):
o'clock is a tip off tonight. Indiana's at Wisconsin. I
you couldn't get over the hump in their last game
against USC. Wisconsin's won seven out of eight games. I
think this is a sneaky fun game. Hoosiers have gone
from very much a bubble team to now one that
has some work to do, but I feel like they're
comfortably in the tournament. Miami is twenty three to zero.

(01:43:56):
Ken Palm has the Righthawks winning each of their last
six games games, but this is the game they view
as the toughest on the road against Marshall. The Thundering
Herd in Huntington are eleven and two at home. M
you looking for a twenty fourth consecutive win. Hopefully they
get it and they make that Arizona fan that I've
been fighting with on Twitter butt hurt. Also tomorrow, NK

(01:44:20):
you will host Milwaukee. That game is gonna tip off
at five pm. You'll be able to listen to it
live on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. You know, the Norse
gotta get healthy. The winning the Horizon League regular season
championship is I think, unfortunately painfully out of reach. But
can they get themselves back to a place where you

(01:44:41):
could legitimately consider their chances to win the Horizon League
Tournament in that awful arena. They play that in five
o'clock tomorrow. The Norse are now six and eight in
conference play. Injuries have been a factor five consecutive losses
after losing to Green Bay. Defense has been an issue.
Tomorrow's tip off is at five o'clock Kentucky. We'll call

(01:45:03):
it a businesslike performance over Oklahoma on Wednesday night. You
never felt like the game was totally out of reach
for the Sooners. You also never felt like Oklahoma was
going to come back and win the game. Mark Pope's
team has done a nice job bouncing back, including in
the game against Tennessee in Knoxville, they were down by eighteen.
They'll play tomorrow at eight thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty

(01:45:24):
Ohio State and Michigan. The buck guys have a pretty
fun team to watch. Bruce Thornton's one of those guys.
Feels like he's been in college since Chris gent was
playing in Columbus. Michigan won the first game in ann
Arbor a couple of weeks ago. The Wolverines pasted Penn
State last night. I feel like this is weird though,
the second ranked team in the country almost flying slightly

(01:45:47):
under the radar. Tomorrow at one o'clock in Columbus, a
chance for an emphatic, an emphatic statement for the Buckeyes.
Cincinnati lost the first game to you. Knights are having
a good season but got crushed in their last game
against Houston. No big deal, that's Houston. Can the Bearcats
bounce back at home? Two o'clock is the tip off

(01:46:10):
on Sunday. You'll hear it on seven hundred W L W. Terren.
How are we on time?

Speaker 10 (01:46:15):
We're good on time? Quickly? Can we mentioned tonight's thriller
of a high school game between between Lakota West and
Princeton that had to get moved to Cintas Center.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
They can move to Cintas Center. I saw that, Yes,
is the Centas Center going to be sold out?

Speaker 10 (01:46:28):
It's gonna be Damn you're sold out? Wow, I thought
you were.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
I thought you were going to talk about the big
till to top the Eastern Conference in the NBA, where Detroit
loses as a sixteen and a half point dog last night,
obviously looking ahead to the Knicks, who come to town
tonight in a battle of well. The Knicks and Celtics
are currently tied for the two seed, both trailing Detroit.
A rematch of last year's thrilling first round series won

(01:46:56):
by New York. I thought that's what you were referencing.

Speaker 10 (01:46:59):
Oh no, no, no, no, high school teams from Love Too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
I got it. No, no, no question, Thank you, thank
you for for doing that. Do we is Mike standing by?

Speaker 10 (01:47:11):
Yeah? Pee there?

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
All right? Uh, we'll do Mike for a few minutes,
and then we got some bets to get to Mike.
Are you have you arrived in San Francisco?

Speaker 11 (01:47:22):
Well, we got a late start today because one of
the guys I had a scary situation, so we couldn't
leave till too late, So I don't get to go
to Radio Row. And I wanted to do that so
bad so I could bust your you know what about it.
But anyway, I I didn't get to go. Well, we're
still not there yet. We're just passed Big Sur on

(01:47:44):
the way up to Monterey. So when you get the
Big Sur along the cliffs there on Pacific Coast Highway,
reception is almost negligible.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Understand, were listening to the show? Were you listening to
the show's twenty minutes ago when we played a caller
who sounds just like you?

Speaker 11 (01:48:04):
No, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Is there any chance for calling other shows? Under a
different name.

Speaker 11 (01:48:12):
Why no, why would I do that? I don't listen, brother,
I haven't called anything but the sports talk show. About
thirty years ago. I used to call Bill Cunynham when
he was on at night, oh up until tender midnight
or something. But no, I don't even have you were
So what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
There's a I was listening to h w l W
last night on my way back from my way back
to the West Side from the UC game, and I
heard a caller to Dan Carroll's show who sounded like you,
but his name was Ken, and I just wanted to
make sure that was if an issue, that's okay, But
I didn't know if you were like, you know what.
I call sports shows as Mike, but I call political

(01:48:55):
shows as Ken.

Speaker 11 (01:48:57):
Who in the hell's Dan? What's his? Dan Carroll? I
don't even know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
That's okay, irrelevant. So are you? Are you riding in
a bus? Are you in a are you in a van?
What kind of car are you in right now?

Speaker 13 (01:49:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:49:09):
We're in really tricked out van. Really nice man. It's
got a full bar, but we can't really do much
with the bar. But we're We're like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
How does a van how does a van have a
full bar?

Speaker 11 (01:49:23):
It's a big van though, I think twenty feet long.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
And and how many people are how many people are
in how many people are in the van?

Speaker 11 (01:49:31):
On? Only four veterans? That's it in the driver? Yeah, yeah,
that's really comfortable. I feel like I'm in a rock
and roll band, you know, from kind.

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
Of nice special Nice?

Speaker 11 (01:49:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Can you have everybody yell? Can you have everybody yell? High?

Speaker 7 (01:49:53):
Guy?

Speaker 12 (01:49:58):
No, I got on the radio.

Speaker 14 (01:50:03):
You listen.

Speaker 11 (01:50:04):
You're talking about eighty year old veterans.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Here, You're you're you're in a movie. You're in a
moving van right now. You're on the phone, and and
everybody else is.

Speaker 11 (01:50:14):
Two guys are sleeping and one guy, Mo is pretty
out of it. Okay, you don't understand the condition of.

Speaker 14 (01:50:25):
River.

Speaker 11 (01:50:25):
The only one that has I'm the only one that
is coaching. What about the driver, Well, the driver was
walled off from us. Oh god ready, ready any time
around because you pat highway. You ever been on the position? Yeah,

(01:50:47):
it's very scary. It's right on the cliffs and if
the guy steers off the wrong way, we're going over
into the Pacific Ocean. Big time. So I'm sorry I
can't entertain you with that, but I just can't put
it the day where it's getting late in the day.
These guys are old, no on the youngest one of
the bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I understand, but it's two forty eight in the afternoon there, Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:51:10):
Well once the last time you were eighty something years
old and sick with cancer and dying. Okay, I've just
talked to you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
I'm just you know, I'm just trying to I'm trying
to maximize the radio. Well that's probably not attainable, but yes,
in a roundabout way, who do you think is gonna
win the game on Sunday.

Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
I'm sorry to disappoint you, I really am, but these
guys are are dearer than me. You know, I'm not
gonna disc first. Yeah, I got Seattle of thirty one fourteen.
They're gonna smack smack and the ring on around big time.

Speaker 14 (01:51:49):
I got there, I got uh.

Speaker 11 (01:51:53):
I hear all these people saying twenty seven, twenty four,
twenty one, seventeen, sixteen, thirteen. No, no, well you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Will you email me a picture of you guys from
the game.

Speaker 11 (01:52:08):
Oh yeah, I'll be happy to do. Karen Karen before
Mo gets rid of me. What what is your hat? Guyes?
Because the best hats are not the adjustable one? So
what's your hat?

Speaker 10 (01:52:19):
Guys?

Speaker 11 (01:52:19):
I've gotten it for you, but that was two years ago.

Speaker 10 (01:52:22):
I sent you. I sent you an email.

Speaker 11 (01:52:24):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Yeah, okay, gonna get a hat. And then you're gonna
You're gonna buy the other guys like pretzels and stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:52:32):
Right, Oh dude, I'll listen my buddies. Oh, I'll spend
a lot of money on my friends, believe me, because
they're dear to me, very very dear to me, because
they gave their boy for this country and they deserve
everything they get.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Well, you're you're a good mom. Well, Mike, have have
a blast. It's it's well deserved. And uh, well, I'm sure.
I'm sure we'll hear from you next week.

Speaker 11 (01:52:57):
No, no, you're gonna hear from me. I'm gonna text you.
I'm to drive you nuts over the weekend, texting you email.
And you know I won't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
I'm gonna say a couple.

Speaker 11 (01:53:07):
Well, maybe I won't. Maybe I won't send you anything.
I'll just talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I need well either way, whatever you know, Hey, look don't.
Don't make me a priority while you're having a good time.
But i'd love to see a photo of you guys
at the super Bowl.

Speaker 11 (01:53:20):
Yeah. These guys are characters, man, I'll tell you they're
tough old birds of really tough guys.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:53:28):
Okay, So you don't want anything. You want me to
do some stuff for other people, and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
I want you to take in lieu of buying me
some Super Bowl swag, I want you to take whatever
that money was, and I want you to I want
you to take care of the people you're with, take
care of the driver, take care of the other veterans
at the game with you, and buy them something. Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:53:47):
I already took care of the driver. I gave him
two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Wow, pretty good. All right, Well we'll do that for
the other guys. But I got to run, man, Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:53:56):
Well, you taught me how to gamble properly, so I
can do that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
All right. Well, have have fun, Mike, Thanks, thanks, thanks,
thanks very much. All right, couple for the game itself.
I'm with Mike. I'm laying the number with Seattle. I
don't think the Patriots can stop him on the ground.
I think New England's defense. The inflated postseason numbers are
due to the fact that they've played bad offenses and
weather has been a factor. You're not gonna have CJ.

(01:54:24):
Stroud throwing the game. You're not gonna have U Jared Stidham.
I'll take Seattle. I'll lay the number. Jackson Smith and
Jigba fourth player since the eighties to lead the league
in receiving yards then play in the Super Bowl. The
previous three Jerry Rice in eighty nine, Jerry Rice in
ninety four, Cooper Cup in twenty twenty one, each had

(01:54:44):
big games. By the way to be the MVP of
a Super Bowl at wide receiver, here are the last
three yardage totals one forty three, ninety two. It's attainable
JSN plus five point fifty to be the game's MVP.
George Holdany over nine and a half rushing yards. AJ
Barner this is my favorite one. Anytime TV score, they

(01:55:06):
use him in the red zone and he is their
tush push guy. Which is why we're also going shortest
touchdown in the game. Every Super Bowl we bet on
an octopus, which is player scores a touchdown, then the
two point conversion you can buy that at plus fifteen hundred.
There have been twenty three touchdowns scored by defenses in
Super Bowl history, twenty of them by the winning team.

(01:55:27):
If you think Seattle's gonna win, have Seattle's defense to
score a touchdown. If you think it's New England, have
the Patriots defense to score a touchdown. We steer clear
of parlays, but you can go Seattle defense anytime touchdown
and Seattle money line. That's a great value parlay, even
more so for New England if you think the Patriots win.
We're back Monday at three h five. Thank you for listening,

(01:55:51):
Thanks to Tarren Blandford producing, and we'll talk to you Monday.
Have an awesome weekend. This is ESPN fifteen to thirty,
Cincinnati Sports.

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