March 10, 2026 • 39 mins
Is there a disconnect between Hunter Greene and the Reds front office? Has the Bengals front office been vindicated by Trey Hendrickson not getting a new deal on the first day of free agency? And if the President of the United States wants fix college sports, what legal hurdles does he face?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Free agency is basically Black Friday for billionaires, except everyone's
been fighting over a tackle instead of a TV. Keep
it here for the latest signings by the Orange and Black.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Al Right, here you go, it's four oh four. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger. Thanks for listening today, Thanks
for watching work. But because Tarn wants to see if
we can get some sort of outburst from me watching
the uc game, we are. We're broadcasting this on Twitter.
Bearcats are on a run now. It's twenty seven to
twenty Utah. I thought Utah called a time out. We
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have a twenty three seconds to go. The Bearcats are
now up by nine points. Cincinnati on a twelve zip
run after a slow start. Cincinnati trying to advance to tomorrow,
the second round of the Big twelve Tournament, they would
take on UCF. First things first, got to take care
of business against Utah, and after a slow start, the
Cats are up by nine points. After what I thought
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was a thoroughly disappointing performance on Saturday against TCU. It
was disappointing, not so much that they lost the game.
I'm not sure there's any large shame in losing at TCU,
even when your season is hanging in the balance. I
think relative to how the Bearcats had played the previous
three or four weeks, the performance itself was highly discouraging, sloppy,
(01:24):
tons of turnovers, not a lot of focus. Today started slow,
but the Cats will take a nine point lead into
the locker room after Keishaan Tillery misses a shot to
end the first half twenty nine to twenty, Cincinnati on
top over Utah. There are, and I mentioned this before,
a handful of teams playing either today or tonight, who
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if you're a Bearcat fan, you're hoping could help out,
because I think the prevailing sentiment is well, if Cincinnati
wins tonight or today, and then wins again tomorrow against
a UCF team that I think at this mall is
a tournament team, and then they stun Arizona on a
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third game in three days, when Arizona's got the double
buy that they're in and maybe that's the case. UCF
game is interesting because UCF and the net is fifty
one and fifty one in the net, which means that's
a Q two game tomorrow. Now, it's not what you
are at the time. It's what you end up being.
The Arizona game clearly a Q one game. The Utah
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game they're playing right now a Q three games, so
they're not going to get a ton of credit. But
you could still use some help from the teams around you.
One of those teams is Stanford. Stanford just lost to
a bad Pittsburgh team in the opening round of the
ACC tournament, so some help today. You could use some
help from Wake Forest over Virginia Tech. You could use
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some help from Syracuse taking on SMU. You could use
some help from Gonzaga taking on Santa Clara in the
final of the West Coast Conference turn after a thrilling,
if that's the right word. Santa Clara went over Mount
Saint Mary's last night. So all those games to pay
attention to, plus Indiana tomorrow against either Penn State or
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Northwestern Auburn tomorrow against Mississippi State. The bottom line, though,
is the Bearcats have to do some work in Kansas City,
and that starts with beating Utah. Right now, the Bearcats
do have a nine point lead at halftime. We will
try to go to Kansas City and chat with our
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friend Scott Springer. If he has time, he's got his
job to do. By the way, I made a mistake.
I mentioned Santa Clara's win over Mount Saint Mary's. They
beat Saint Mary's, and there's a marked difference between the two.
My mistake, not the first, not the last. Meanwhile, on
top of all the Bengal stuff, which we'll get to
in greater detail a little bit later on, we've got
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the Hunter Green situation. So is scheduled to have a
scope on his elbow tomorrow and what they're gonna do
is remove bone chips and loose bodies. This is a
fourteen to sixteen week timeline for his return, which would
set him up to return to the mound sometime in July.
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Our guy, Charlie Goldsmith, who is just cranking out an
unbelievable amount of content in goodyear, both Reds and Bengals related,
writes today about the Hunter Green timeline. And I don't
want to give away all of Charlie's work, but you
know he writes about Hunter feeling discomfort in his elbow
toward the end of twenty twenty five, which is something
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that we found out about last week. Hunter at times
pitched really well in spite of that discomfort, But it
was there. Terry Francono, when asked about it today, said, quote,
he never told me any of that. So Hunter Green
never told his manager that he was dealing with elbow discomfort.
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He continues, quote, I know he has mentioned it to
a Derek Johnson. He was always telling me that he
was good. I like the way he was pitching the trainers.
We're never going to send somebody out there if they
shouldn't pitch or play. Ever, so the season ends, and
as Charlie outlines here, Hunter then met with doctor Neil Ellatratsch,
who he met with this weekend, met with yesterday, I
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guess in Los Angeles in late October. They tell Hunter
to get the PRP injection and apparently that helped. But
then right before the start of spring training, there's more
discomfort and he made a spring training debut. It did
not go all that well, and Nick Crawl says, well,
you could tell because he didn't throw a splitter at all.
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He was having trouble pulling his slider. So there's a
couple of things here that you cannot help. But ask
one is why didn't Hunter get the procedure that he's
having done tomorrow done in October. And man, this dude
that he talked to, this doctor, Neil Ellatratch, this guy's renown, Like,
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this guy is a great reputation. I'm not a doctor.
We are getting one on the show tomorrow. But the
platelet rich projection or platelet rich plasma injection, I should say,
strikes me as different from the procedure they're going to
do tomorrow, which I don't know. I don't know. It
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seems to me like the better course of action would
have been to go and go ahead and have the
scope done, go ahead and have the procedure that he's
having done tomorrow done. If you do that in October,
well then Hunter Green is good to go, at least
by opening day, probably for the start of spring training.
So number one, like, why didn't you just get that?
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And I'm asking here and I'm not qualified, barely qualified
for the job that I have much less to tell
a doctor, here's what you should have done with a
prized elbow. But you can't but wonder, right, if ultimately
this required this procedure, why didn't you have the procedure
done when it wouldn't have cost you any time at all,
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or maybe just a little bit of time. Instead, it's
going to cost Hunter Green like maybe half the season
and perhaps even more. Also here man last year, it
felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green and
the Reds as it related to his return from a
groin injury, and maybe you felt like Hunter Green deserves
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some internal criticism for how he was handling the injury,
and maybe you feel like a lot of the stuff
that was being sort of leaked to reporters was a
little bit unfair. Regardless of whose fault you think it was,
it felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green
and the team. That disconnect still feels like it's ongoing. Now,
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does that disconnect have to be something that dooms Hunter's
career or his relationship with the team. Not necessarily, but
it certainly feels like the disconnect from last year wasn't
completely addressed or fixed, because it still feels like there's
a disconnect today between Hunter and the Reds as it
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relates to maybe him telling them last year in October,
last year in September I should say hey, my elbows
hurting me, or him telling them like, hey, here's where
things are now that the season is over, and let's
be aggressive in taking a look at it and maybe
having a procedure so that I don't have to miss
any time in twenty twenty six. It feels like there's
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a disconnect. When is that going to be fixed? Is
it going to be fixed? And as long as it's
not fixed, is it helpful to have one of the
faces of your franchise not on the same page as
the people who run the franchise? Fair questions? From a
peer baseball perspective, there's also this, and this might be
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what matters most to you right now. The Reds have
really good starting pitching depth. And when you have a
competition for the fifth spot in your rotation that involves
Chase Burns and Rhet Louder and Brandon Williamson's that's pretty
good place. It's pretty good place to be. We talked
about that when spring training started. If the competition for
the fifth spot in your rotation is one of your
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bigger issues you have to sort through during spring training,
and it involves not some random re treads, not some
guys who used to be good, but you know, high
end arms that are valued young pitchers. That's pretty good.
But for the purposes of trying to win big this year,
which is what the Reds should be trying to do.
Say what you want about depth. Chase Burns has pitched
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in exactly forty three and one third big league innings.
Rhett Louder has pitched in exactly thirty and two thirds
big league innings, none of them last year. Brandon Williamson
since the start of the twenty twenty four season fourteen
and one third big league innings. The strength of this
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team is supposed to be at starting staff. And yes,
the strength of the starting staff is the collective the depth.
There's a lot of teams, a ton of them that
if they lost the guy who is supposed to be
their staff, Ace would like to have some of those
guys I just mentioned. But Number one, yes they're deep,
but they're not deep on experience. We have seen really
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good pitchers, including guys who are in the rotation right now,
go through growing pains while they're going through their first
one hundred or so big league gettings. Number Two, man
like the strength of the team, even if the offense
is better, which most of us expect it to be,
the strength of the team is supposed to be the
starting pitching. The starting pitching isn't as strong if you
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don't have Hunter Green. And even if you bake in
and I think most of us have, even if you
bake in the likelihood or at least the possibility that
there's going to be an injury somewhere where. Boy, it's
a little foreboding when already more than two weeks before
opening day, you've got a guy that your acknowledging is
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gonna miss at least I don't know, anywhere from fifteen
to seventeen starts. Also, by the way, and you hate
to do this. Hunter Green, as talented as he is, like,
there's just there's now such an extensive injury history that
you either wonder, okay, is he really going to come
back on time? Or once he does come back, what's
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gonna happen next? Like this, this is what happens when
you deal with an accumulation of injuries. By the way,
last year, the Reds and Hunter Green did not appear
to be on the same page when it came to
how he worked at his return. Are we going to
have a similar thing this year where maybe the Reds
do believe this guy could pitch in July but Hunter's
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actually not ready to pitch until September. Like, there's obviously
so many more questions than answers here, but it does
feel like there's a disconnect between the two. And Yeah, man,
the Red staff may be deep, there may be a
lot of talent there, but you're already tapping into that
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depth in the middle of March. Like you're already not
at full strength in the area of your team that's
supposed to be the strongest. And we're not two weeks
out of opening Day. So if the Reds strong suit
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isn't as strong as it needs to be, can the
Reds as a club realize their complete potential? I think
most of us would agree. The idea isn't to simply
sneak into the postseason. It's not to you know, barely
get in. Tito has talked about this different occasions over
the course of the last couple of weeks. The idea
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is to challenge for a division title, go into the
postseason with a head of steam, play in October, with
the ability to set your rotation, not have an overly
tax bullpen, not barely sneak in. Can they as a
team accomplish that? If already in March, we're talking about
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the starting staff, these strong suit of the team being compromised.
Maybe the answer for you is yes. Maybe the answer
for you is no, But it's it's a big question
right now. I get it might sound like fifteen to
seventeen starts, but we're already talking about having to tap
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into reserves in March. And again, man like Chase Burns
is uber talented and I think we all agree he's
got a really bright future. And Brandon Williamson in twenty
twenty three certainly showed some flashes and rhet Louder when
he got two years ago at the end of the season,
did a lot of really encouraging things. But you're asking
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a lot of guys who have very little experience. And
if we're going to cling to the idea that Hunter
Green is gonna come back sometime in July, okay, are
we sure? And I hate to sound that skeptical, We
all do, like you, hate to be skeptical. Hunter's a
good guy and a terrific pitcher, but just last year
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there seemed to be again I keep using the word disconnect,
a disconnect between Hunter and the Reds as it related
to his return as it related to his health, as
it related to his treatment, as it related to his rehab.
Are we sure we're not going to see those same
things now? I don't know about you, man, but I
think you bet on those things because it feels like
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the relationship between the team and the player is not
what it should be. Why wasn't that fixed this offseason?
And why wasn't Hunter Green's LOBO fixed this offseason? Nineteen
minutes after four o'clock, we will get one of our experts,
doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Ortho Sinsey, on this topic. Tomorrow.
We are looking forward to that. We'll go to Goodyear
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and talk to Charlie Goldsmith coming up at five five
most definitely looking forward to that. Twenty nine twenty Cincinnati
on top of Utah's they get set to start the
second half in the Big twelve Tournament. We'll talk sports
and the law coming up with our guy from the
Manila Law Group, Stuart W. Penrose. That is going to
(15:31):
be a four to thirty five. Bengals had a really
good day yesterday. We'll get to what they did do
and what they now should do next on ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 2 (15:53):
I heard radio under seventeen to go cats by eight
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four to twenty eight. I don't know how many paint
points Utah has, but it feels like to you men,
we have pull questions on Twitter at Moegar thanks to
United Heartland Insurance. I actually posed this late last night,
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so it's it's gotten a ton of votes, but you
can vote now. Yesterday was legal tampering day one for
the Bengals, and today day two, not a ton has
happened so far, though it was about this time yesterday,
maybe a little bit earlier, we found out about the
two big signings they had made. So I just I
asked you to encapsulate day one a transformative success, be
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encouraging start c men, or d major disappointment. I think
I think most of us would agree, and on Twitter
most of us do over eighty percent encouraging start vote
now at Moeger really quick here and we'll take a
phone call or two. The Trey Hendrickson thing, which let's
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be honest, as much fun as we've had with Trey,
it's gotten exhausting. He hasn't signed with anybody yet. That
doesn't mean that he won't. It doesn't mean that he
won't get what he's looking for. Perhaps he does, but
you can't help. But you can't help. But at least
wonder did the league's impression of Trey or opinion of
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Trey match what the Bengals opinion of Tray was, which
was a little bit of a one trick pony whose
best seasons are probably behind him. Still a good player,
still a guy who could help you win, but not
somebody that's worth the kind of coin that Trey is
looking for. Concerns about age, concerns about injury. It was
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always going to be fascinating to see. Did Trey sign
almost instantly? Were teams just pushing each other out of
the way to give him top dollar? And if so,
you know what would that say about the Bengals Right now?
It feels like for all the criticism the Bengals have taken,
and by the way, they deserve it for not trading
them last year, but a lot of people looked at
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the Bengals and said they're off base. They're being too cheap.
They don't recognize how good this guy is. They're not
rewarding him that they've not evaluated him correctly. Right now,
it feels like the rest of the NFL is evaluating
Trey Hendricks in the same way the Bengals have. That
could change based on what he gets when he signs
he signs with, but right now it feels like the
league's opinion of the Bengals matches. I should say the
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league's opinion of Trey matches the Bengals opinion of Trey,
which is we like him, like to have him, not
going to get him specifically what he's looking for because
of his age, of the kind of player he is,
not so much the caliber of player he is, but
the kind of player he is. Questions about injury. You know,
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this is sort of a vindicating day for the Cincinnati Bengals.
We'll see, maybe things change and it's no longer a
vindicating day. Kind of feels like it is, though. Jim
in Centerville, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, good afternoon.
How are you.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I'm good, Mo, Thanks for taking my call. I agree
with you on the Trey Hendricks sing same thing. I
think he's just a he's a passer ash specialist.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
He's not Miles, you know, Garrett or whoever. But anyways,
I I called because I have a couple of theories
and company you think I'm wrong here when it comes
to Hunter Green. I don't think he particularly wants to
play baseball. I mean, if you think about it, he
had this elbow thing nagging him the end of last year.
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You're right, he should have had it scoped out in
the off season. But then there goes all his off
season plans. You know, he's not going to be able
to jet ski or do all of the you know,
fun things that he wants to do this off season
if he if he's got to you know, rehab that
so why not wait till the season starts well and
then get the get the surgery.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Then Yeah, I I hate to say this, but I
feel like when things get weird, it feels like you
expand the possibilities of possible scenarios or outcomes. And I
intensely hate to conclude that someone doesn't love their sport
or their craft. But when you've been accused of slow
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playing an injury, as Hunter Green was behind the scenes
last year and there's something like this, you could understand
why somebody would at least wonder, is this guy is
all in on his career as you would like for
him to be, and as the Reds need him to be.
I don't love going there, but I can understand why
one would.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, we're calling him a bargain with with what we've
signed him for. He's you know, yeah, he plays ten
games a year. He pitches you know, hardly at all,
I would say, And you know, I think it was
Nick Crawl that said, you know, hey, we're going to
look at this as a as a trade deadline edition.
Oh to me, you should be looking at it as
a trade deadline opportunity to trade him and get rid
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of it. Yeah, that's that's how Nick call looks.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
At Well, you know, trust me, one of my favorite
tropes is hurt guy coming back is going to be
our best trade deadline acquisition. That that was faulty with
Hunter Green himself three years ago. I would find a
tremendous amount of fault in that now. But like, there
are gonna be folks who say, like yourself, like we'll
trade him, And the thing is, like, is market value
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he had an injury last year. He's never gone through
a full big league season healthy. Yes, financially he is
a bargain. But like, if you're gonna trade for Hunter Green,
you're gonna want to see him pitch, You're gonna want
to see what he can do. You're gonna know how
healthy he is. And unfortunately, right now, the questions outweigh
the answers. Now, a team might say, look, he's tremendously talented,
he's cost control. You can get him for the next
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three years. You don't owe him anymore than he's actually owed,
Like there is something to that, But I don't know,
Like there's there's a little bit of damage goods to
Hunter Green, which I would imagine would hurt his trade value.
And I don't want to just give him away. I
want to get something back in return, and I feel
like the ability to do that is compromised with all
the health issues and all the weirdness that have sort
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of dominated the hunder Green conversation for a while.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Now, Well, I don't think he's a bargain. I think
he's fleecing us, and for a team that doesn't have
money to waste, Unfortunately, we may have put, are you
know all of our chips on the wrong on the
wrong pony there? I mean, I don't know. I think
that I think that he doesn't. If he cared that
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much and we've all had nagging injuries, he cared that much,
he knew, he knew that his elbow is going to
start flaming up again when he started pitching. He throws
on her mile an hour. So if there's clean up
that needs to be done, get it done in the
off season.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's I appreciate, Jim, thanks for
the phone call. Man. I appreciate and love the fact
that the dude pitched through the pain in September and
often pitched well. They don't get to the postseason without him.
And I do you usually side with hey athlete knows
his body. I just I don't understand Number one. I
don't understand why there seems to be a communication gap
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between Hunter and the team, which kind of revealed itself
last year. Number two, and we're gonna get our doctor
from Orthosincion with this tomorrow and he may shed some
light on this. I don't understand how you don't opt
for the procedure when the season ended last year, or
even like not have him pitch in spring training games
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because his arm was sore right before spring training started.
It just I don't know, man, I don't love arriving
at the conclusion that the guy doesn't love his sport.
I think that's a little bit much. But when you
combine the belief that was out there among people in
the organization that he slowed played his return from injury
last year, and then you have this year where it
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just you could wonder, like, did he just not want
to have the surgery during the offseason because I hate
to say that he wanted to go jet skiing or something.
There's just there, there's NonStop weirdness, and it feels like
there's a disconnect. There's also a lot of injuries. Our
sports legal expert to attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the
Manila Loag Group, is.
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On Tuesdays at this time, we talked sports and the
law with our legal expert, attorney Stuart W. Penrose from
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the Manila Law Group. He is always insightful, always teaches
us something and I've got questions. Maybe you do as well.
It's awesome to have you, Stewart as always. How are you?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'm doing great, Mom? How about yourself?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm doing well. I want to start with this big
meeting at the White House last week, which was I
guess it was done in order to find solutions on
how to fix college sports and the president of the
United States says he's going to issue an executive order
that fixes college sports and addresses things like collectives and
NIL and player movement and player compensation, all of this stuff.
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He also acknowledged that it might not stand a legal challenge.
So that's what I want to ask you. If there's
a plan at the executive level of the federal government
to fix college sports, what are the legal hurdles that
such a plan would fax here.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Well, it's similar to what we've been talking about all
these links is anti trust law and all the different
state laws that you know that govern NIL in each state,
and it's like they're trying to coach a thousand teams
at once. I can understand his perspective and what he's
trying to do, but to really get teeth in it,
it would need some sort of congressional approval Congress for
(26:22):
me to come to come together. Just a president's executive
order alone doesn't create it an anti trust exemption. And
it seems that that's what his angle is ultimately here,
is to try to get some anti trust exemption to
protect the NT double A, allow the NT double A
to have a better framework to keep a hold, and
to try to bring us out of a wild West era.
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But without congressional approval, it can be very difficult.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
MO.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
And like I said, anti trust exemptions or anti trust
laws and state laws really stand in the way. And
you know, President Trump certainly seem very cognizant of that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Speaking of anti trust, which is a topic that, as
you mentioned, you and I talk about a lot. So
the Department of Justice and Live Nation have settled an
anti trust dispute that I think has had a lot
more to do with concert tickets, the prices of them,
the accessibility of them, than anything else. What can the
impact be on sports fans of this case?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Sure? Well, first off, hold the phone on that. They
have an agreement in place, but the judge has to
sid the court has to sign off on it. And
apparently a lot of the states that are involved aren't
immediately signing onto this right now, so it's still fluid.
But if the settlement goes through, what it can do
is open up the markets for college sports fans. Live
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Nation we think of Live Nation, we think of live music,
but they own Ticketmaster and Ticketmasters you know obviously is
the biggest platform out there for sports as well. So
if this goes through. It could bring more you know,
more platforms into the market to sell to sports fans, uh,
and more options for schools and teams to partner with
(27:59):
and and not be so exclusive to Ticketmaster and Lotal
help with steams as well too. It creates more competition
to be more competitive on fees. You know, you go,
you buy one hundred dollars ticket to a football game
and you get twenty five dollars and fees on that.
Nobody likes that, so hopefully this will hopefully this will
help with that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
What could be a reason why a judge would not
sign off.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
On this, Well, we have to see how the framework
goes and if all the parties getting get an agreement
here all the states and whatnot. But they need their
time to weigh in. He's going to factor in and
all that. He was upset because the trial had already
started and they had apparently had a framework in place
over the weekend and didn't notify him until Sunday night,
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So he wasn't very happy about that. Does that mean
it's going to make the settlement? No, But you know,
you never want to tick off a judge.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, number one. Yeah, rule number one for lawyers and
common folk alike. Attorney Steward W. Penrose from the Manila
Law Group joins us to talk about the sports, about
sports and the law on Tuesdays. So we have one
of the fixers in this large betting scheme that you
had like twenty six people who have been charged in
(29:08):
wire fraud and bribery chargers and the genesis of this
is huge bets on rig college basketball games. This guy,
Jalen Smith, has appeared in federal court. He has plugged
guilty and uh so this is like the first domino
to fall. I guess my question is what does his
outcome mean for the other people, specifically the college basketball
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players involved.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, like you said, it's the first domino to fall.
So certainly the government, through him as has amount and
through other resources as well, has amount of evidence to
go on here. Clearly he had some level, must have
had some level of cooperation to take a plea this early.
It will help the dominoes fall, let's put it that way.
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As far as the athletes themselves, you know, we'll have
to see how that plays out, mo, I mean those
that are implicated, I mean, certainly from an NC double
A perspective. Yeah, you certainly think that's the end of
their NCAA careers. At a minimum, what they say from
a criminal standpoint remains to be seen based upon their
level of involvement, what they face. As far as sending
team for those that are involve criminally, you know, time
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will tell. You know, a judge is going to be
more likely to give some leeway to a college kid
than he has a bigger man up on the totem pole.
In such a scheme, the players are, the players are
almost are essentially the ponds and something like this.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, no, I think that's that's obviously well put. Attorney
Stuart W. Penrose from the Manila Lag Group. Awesome stuff
as always, man, thank you so much, Thank you both.
He's the absolute best. He's our legal expert from the
Manila LAG Group. Stuart W. Penrose joins us every single Tuesday.
All right. The Bearcats are up by ten, eleven, seventeen
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to go, first round game and the Big twelve tournament.
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to thirty nine in favor of Cincinnati eleven and change
to go winner will take on UCF tomorrow. Earlier today
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in the Big Twelve Tournament, Arizona State knocked off Baylor.
For what it's worth, Pittsburgh beat SMU at the Buzzer
in the ACC Tournament. SMU one of those teams that
needed to win this week. We'll see how that may
or may not impact the Bearcats. Quiet day so far
for the Bengals in free agency. We'll see if that
changes between now and six o'clock. Reds are taken on
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the Colorado Rockies today, on the day that we found
out Hunter Green's gonna have surgery to remove chips from
his elbow. He is now expected to make his season
debut in July. Good news is it's not Tommy John surgery.
It's not regarded as season ending surgery. Bad news is
still gonna miss roughly half the season. Reds are playing
the Rockies today. PJ Higgins with a home run. Cincinnati
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on top road team today three to nothing. Brandon Williamson
on the hill for Cincinnati, pitched a scoreless first inning
for the Red Legs. By the way college basketball Horizon
Lea tournament title game tonight Wright State. After beating NKU
last night, it takes on Detroit Mercy for the conference championship,
and the Columbus Blue Jackets play on the road tonight
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against Tampa Bay. You are caught up twelve point game
right now. Cincinnati leads Utah fifty one to thirty nine.
We'll jump back into what the Bengals did and still
need to do. Coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
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Lost two consecutive games, Cats up twelve seven forty four
to go fifty nine to forty seven. Cincinnati Cincinnati has
not been as sloppy as they were against TCU. The
Bearcats only have six turnovers so far, two in the
second half. You see his shooting sixty three percent here
in the second half. And they have been uh, they've
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been much much more efficient today than they were on
a Saturday, four of seven from behind the arc in
the second half, forty two point one percent four the game.
It would be delightful though, if they can make a
free throw uh three for ten from the stripe today,
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which has helped keep Utah at least kigh in it.
It's fifty nine to forty seven in favor of the Bearcats.
Winner will take on UCF tomorrow five point three seven
four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll try to grab some more
phone calls coming up in the next hour. It's been
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a little bit more than twenty four hours since we
found out that the Bengals have signed or are going
to sign. I guess I should say two pretty good
free agents. One of them is Brian Cook. And like
the Brian Cook thing. Yes, I'm a Bearcat fan. Maybe
you're you're a huge Bearcat fan. He's a mount healthy guy.
He's a UC guy like that. Stuff is fun. That's
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not why any of us wanted Brian Cook. Wanted Brian
Cook because he could tackle. Put it as simple as that.
Wanted Brian Cook because he's good at the one thing
that the guy he's replacing was bad at. Like when
I think when most of us think of Gino Stone
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more than anything, it's bad tackling, poor angles. Brian Cook's
game represents the antithesis of that. That's a good signing.
Then there's boy A Mafe. I'm not the only person
to say this kind of fits that. Trey Hendrickson twenty
twenty one profile not a star, certainly not a star
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in Seattle's defense log jam behind some guys. Scheme change
this year maybe didn't necessarily play to his strengths twenty
seven years old, tons of upside pass rush is king.
There's lots to like about these two moves. Number one
is they did some very unbengalsy sort of stuff like
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you could hear it now. As it relates to safety, well,
it's safety well positional value. It's not a premium position.
So we're only going to go so far to sign
a safety. We're not going to pay Brian Cook the
kind of money that he's looking for instead, it was, essentially,
as Danner said in the first hour of the show,
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an acknowledgment that they got it wrong with Jesse Bates,
and so now we're gonna pay for a safety who
can do what we haven't gotten any safety to do
since Jesse Bates left. Need a guy who can prevent
explosive plays from happening. Brian Cook can help doing that.
By the way, I also think it's not insignificant they
signed two Super Bowl champions like that. It's been a
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while since this team won. Can hurt to have a
couple of guys who have rings that ain't bad, but
they also like you could also hear it as it
relates to edge rusher. Well, you know, Miles Murphy came
on toward the end of last season, and we did
invest a first round pick in Shamar Stewart and we
still do like him despite the fact that his rookie
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year went sideways. And they still may but if those
things did not preclude them from attacking edge rusher early
in free agency, Like, look, man, you can beat up
on Duke Tobin for a lot of things. God knows
I have. There have been a lot of reasons to
be frustrated. But what they said they were going to
do they did. Now your eyes turned to what's next,
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and they need a linebacker. Leoshanal is still out there.
I think he has been the guy that most fans
have kind of pined for. Understanding what they're looking for.
Somebody who's versatile, Somebody who can get after the passer,
Somebody who's good at impacting the ron d somebody who's
good at spying the quarterback. Like just versatile linebacker can
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do a little bit of everything. Swiss army knife, so
to speak. Kay Nellis is still out there. I know.
When Danna and I, along with Jay Morrison did our
mock draft of free agents, we talked extensively about him
one of the better linebackers at getting after the quarterback.
The question is if not either of those guys, then
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what do you do at that position? But if over
the next I don't know a few hours and I
have not seen as I've been in here doing the
show and paying attention to the Bearcat game, I haven't
seen if either guy is signed with a team yet
or agree to terms with the team yet. But if
you could get through today having addressed edge safety and linebacker.
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Oh boy, Like that's a really really good start. The
entirety of the offseason involves the draft, but those three
plus the Riisner signing, which was a layoup, like it's
it's a good start. And as much as anything on
top of the caliber of players they have acquired, there's
just been something unbangally about how they've gone about this,
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and that is as encouraging as anything. Sixty one fifty two,
we'll talk with Charlie Goldsmith about Hunter Green and more.
Next
Free agency is basically Black Friday for billionaires, except everyone's
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Al Right, here you go, it's four oh four. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger. Thanks for listening today, Thanks
for watching work. But because Tarn wants to see if
we can get some sort of outburst from me watching
the uc game, we are. We're broadcasting this on Twitter.
Bearcats are on a run now. It's twenty seven to
twenty Utah. I thought Utah called a time out. We
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have a twenty three seconds to go. The Bearcats are
now up by nine points. Cincinnati on a twelve zip
run after a slow start. Cincinnati trying to advance to tomorrow,
the second round of the Big twelve Tournament, they would
take on UCF. First things first, got to take care
of business against Utah, and after a slow start, the
Cats are up by nine points. After what I thought
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was a thoroughly disappointing performance on Saturday against TCU. It
was disappointing, not so much that they lost the game.
I'm not sure there's any large shame in losing at TCU,
even when your season is hanging in the balance. I
think relative to how the Bearcats had played the previous
three or four weeks, the performance itself was highly discouraging, sloppy,
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tons of turnovers, not a lot of focus. Today started slow,
but the Cats will take a nine point lead into
the locker room after Keishaan Tillery misses a shot to
end the first half twenty nine to twenty, Cincinnati on
top over Utah. There are, and I mentioned this before,
a handful of teams playing either today or tonight, who
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if you're a Bearcat fan, you're hoping could help out,
because I think the prevailing sentiment is well, if Cincinnati
wins tonight or today, and then wins again tomorrow against
a UCF team that I think at this mall is
a tournament team, and then they stun Arizona on a
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third game in three days, when Arizona's got the double
buy that they're in and maybe that's the case. UCF
game is interesting because UCF and the net is fifty
one and fifty one in the net, which means that's
a Q two game tomorrow. Now, it's not what you
are at the time. It's what you end up being.
The Arizona game clearly a Q one game. The Utah
(02:30):
game they're playing right now a Q three games, so
they're not going to get a ton of credit. But
you could still use some help from the teams around you.
One of those teams is Stanford. Stanford just lost to
a bad Pittsburgh team in the opening round of the
ACC tournament, so some help today. You could use some
help from Wake Forest over Virginia Tech. You could use
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some help from Syracuse taking on SMU. You could use
some help from Gonzaga taking on Santa Clara in the
final of the West Coast Conference turn after a thrilling,
if that's the right word. Santa Clara went over Mount
Saint Mary's last night. So all those games to pay
attention to, plus Indiana tomorrow against either Penn State or
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Northwestern Auburn tomorrow against Mississippi State. The bottom line, though,
is the Bearcats have to do some work in Kansas City,
and that starts with beating Utah. Right now, the Bearcats
do have a nine point lead at halftime. We will
try to go to Kansas City and chat with our
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friend Scott Springer. If he has time, he's got his
job to do. By the way, I made a mistake.
I mentioned Santa Clara's win over Mount Saint Mary's. They
beat Saint Mary's, and there's a marked difference between the two.
My mistake, not the first, not the last. Meanwhile, on
top of all the Bengal stuff, which we'll get to
in greater detail a little bit later on, we've got
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the Hunter Green situation. So is scheduled to have a
scope on his elbow tomorrow and what they're gonna do
is remove bone chips and loose bodies. This is a
fourteen to sixteen week timeline for his return, which would
set him up to return to the mound sometime in July.
(04:19):
Our guy, Charlie Goldsmith, who is just cranking out an
unbelievable amount of content in goodyear, both Reds and Bengals related,
writes today about the Hunter Green timeline. And I don't
want to give away all of Charlie's work, but you
know he writes about Hunter feeling discomfort in his elbow
toward the end of twenty twenty five, which is something
(04:39):
that we found out about last week. Hunter at times
pitched really well in spite of that discomfort, But it
was there. Terry Francono, when asked about it today, said, quote,
he never told me any of that. So Hunter Green
never told his manager that he was dealing with elbow discomfort.
(05:00):
He continues, quote, I know he has mentioned it to
a Derek Johnson. He was always telling me that he
was good. I like the way he was pitching the trainers.
We're never going to send somebody out there if they
shouldn't pitch or play. Ever, so the season ends, and
as Charlie outlines here, Hunter then met with doctor Neil Ellatratsch,
who he met with this weekend, met with yesterday, I
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guess in Los Angeles in late October. They tell Hunter
to get the PRP injection and apparently that helped. But
then right before the start of spring training, there's more
discomfort and he made a spring training debut. It did
not go all that well, and Nick Crawl says, well,
you could tell because he didn't throw a splitter at all.
(05:44):
He was having trouble pulling his slider. So there's a
couple of things here that you cannot help. But ask
one is why didn't Hunter get the procedure that he's
having done tomorrow done in October. And man, this dude
that he talked to, this doctor, Neil Ellatratch, this guy's renown, Like,
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this guy is a great reputation. I'm not a doctor.
We are getting one on the show tomorrow. But the
platelet rich projection or platelet rich plasma injection, I should say,
strikes me as different from the procedure they're going to
do tomorrow, which I don't know. I don't know. It
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seems to me like the better course of action would
have been to go and go ahead and have the
scope done, go ahead and have the procedure that he's
having done tomorrow done. If you do that in October,
well then Hunter Green is good to go, at least
by opening day, probably for the start of spring training.
So number one, like, why didn't you just get that?
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And I'm asking here and I'm not qualified, barely qualified
for the job that I have much less to tell
a doctor, here's what you should have done with a
prized elbow. But you can't but wonder, right, if ultimately
this required this procedure, why didn't you have the procedure
done when it wouldn't have cost you any time at all,
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or maybe just a little bit of time. Instead, it's
going to cost Hunter Green like maybe half the season
and perhaps even more. Also here man last year, it
felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green and
the Reds as it related to his return from a
groin injury, and maybe you felt like Hunter Green deserves
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some internal criticism for how he was handling the injury,
and maybe you feel like a lot of the stuff
that was being sort of leaked to reporters was a
little bit unfair. Regardless of whose fault you think it was,
it felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green
and the team. That disconnect still feels like it's ongoing. Now,
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does that disconnect have to be something that dooms Hunter's
career or his relationship with the team. Not necessarily, but
it certainly feels like the disconnect from last year wasn't
completely addressed or fixed, because it still feels like there's
a disconnect today between Hunter and the Reds as it
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relates to maybe him telling them last year in October,
last year in September I should say hey, my elbows
hurting me, or him telling them like, hey, here's where
things are now that the season is over, and let's
be aggressive in taking a look at it and maybe
having a procedure so that I don't have to miss
any time in twenty twenty six. It feels like there's
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a disconnect. When is that going to be fixed? Is
it going to be fixed? And as long as it's
not fixed, is it helpful to have one of the
faces of your franchise not on the same page as
the people who run the franchise? Fair questions? From a
peer baseball perspective, there's also this, and this might be
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what matters most to you right now. The Reds have
really good starting pitching depth. And when you have a
competition for the fifth spot in your rotation that involves
Chase Burns and Rhet Louder and Brandon Williamson's that's pretty
good place. It's pretty good place to be. We talked
about that when spring training started. If the competition for
the fifth spot in your rotation is one of your
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bigger issues you have to sort through during spring training,
and it involves not some random re treads, not some
guys who used to be good, but you know, high
end arms that are valued young pitchers. That's pretty good.
But for the purposes of trying to win big this year,
which is what the Reds should be trying to do.
Say what you want about depth. Chase Burns has pitched
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in exactly forty three and one third big league innings.
Rhett Louder has pitched in exactly thirty and two thirds
big league innings, none of them last year. Brandon Williamson
since the start of the twenty twenty four season fourteen
and one third big league innings. The strength of this
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team is supposed to be at starting staff. And yes,
the strength of the starting staff is the collective the depth.
There's a lot of teams, a ton of them that
if they lost the guy who is supposed to be
their staff, Ace would like to have some of those
guys I just mentioned. But Number one, yes they're deep,
but they're not deep on experience. We have seen really
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good pitchers, including guys who are in the rotation right now,
go through growing pains while they're going through their first
one hundred or so big league gettings. Number Two, man
like the strength of the team, even if the offense
is better, which most of us expect it to be,
the strength of the team is supposed to be the
starting pitching. The starting pitching isn't as strong if you
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don't have Hunter Green. And even if you bake in
and I think most of us have, even if you
bake in the likelihood or at least the possibility that
there's going to be an injury somewhere where. Boy, it's
a little foreboding when already more than two weeks before
opening day, you've got a guy that your acknowledging is
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gonna miss at least I don't know, anywhere from fifteen
to seventeen starts. Also, by the way, and you hate
to do this. Hunter Green, as talented as he is, like,
there's just there's now such an extensive injury history that
you either wonder, okay, is he really going to come
back on time? Or once he does come back, what's
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gonna happen next? Like this, this is what happens when
you deal with an accumulation of injuries. By the way,
last year, the Reds and Hunter Green did not appear
to be on the same page when it came to
how he worked at his return. Are we going to
have a similar thing this year where maybe the Reds
do believe this guy could pitch in July but Hunter's
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actually not ready to pitch until September. Like, there's obviously
so many more questions than answers here, but it does
feel like there's a disconnect between the two. And Yeah, man,
the Red staff may be deep, there may be a
lot of talent there, but you're already tapping into that
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depth in the middle of March. Like you're already not
at full strength in the area of your team that's
supposed to be the strongest. And we're not two weeks
out of opening Day. So if the Reds strong suit
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isn't as strong as it needs to be, can the
Reds as a club realize their complete potential? I think
most of us would agree. The idea isn't to simply
sneak into the postseason. It's not to you know, barely
get in. Tito has talked about this different occasions over
the course of the last couple of weeks. The idea
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is to challenge for a division title, go into the
postseason with a head of steam, play in October, with
the ability to set your rotation, not have an overly
tax bullpen, not barely sneak in. Can they as a
team accomplish that? If already in March, we're talking about
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the starting staff, these strong suit of the team being compromised.
Maybe the answer for you is yes. Maybe the answer
for you is no, But it's it's a big question
right now. I get it might sound like fifteen to
seventeen starts, but we're already talking about having to tap
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into reserves in March. And again, man like Chase Burns
is uber talented and I think we all agree he's
got a really bright future. And Brandon Williamson in twenty
twenty three certainly showed some flashes and rhet Louder when
he got two years ago at the end of the season,
did a lot of really encouraging things. But you're asking
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a lot of guys who have very little experience. And
if we're going to cling to the idea that Hunter
Green is gonna come back sometime in July, okay, are
we sure? And I hate to sound that skeptical, We
all do, like you, hate to be skeptical. Hunter's a
good guy and a terrific pitcher, but just last year
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there seemed to be again I keep using the word disconnect,
a disconnect between Hunter and the Reds as it related
to his return as it related to his health, as
it related to his treatment, as it related to his rehab.
Are we sure we're not going to see those same
things now? I don't know about you, man, but I
think you bet on those things because it feels like
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the relationship between the team and the player is not
what it should be. Why wasn't that fixed this offseason?
And why wasn't Hunter Green's LOBO fixed this offseason? Nineteen
minutes after four o'clock, we will get one of our experts,
doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Ortho Sinsey, on this topic. Tomorrow.
We are looking forward to that. We'll go to Goodyear
(15:11):
and talk to Charlie Goldsmith coming up at five five
most definitely looking forward to that. Twenty nine twenty Cincinnati
on top of Utah's they get set to start the
second half in the Big twelve Tournament. We'll talk sports
and the law coming up with our guy from the
Manila Law Group, Stuart W. Penrose. That is going to
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be a four to thirty five. Bengals had a really
good day yesterday. We'll get to what they did do
and what they now should do next on ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Nation.
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I heard radio under seventeen to go cats by eight
thirty four to twenty six in Kansas City now thirty
four to twenty eight. I don't know how many paint
points Utah has, but it feels like to you men,
we have pull questions on Twitter at Moegar thanks to
United Heartland Insurance. I actually posed this late last night,
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so it's it's gotten a ton of votes, but you
can vote now. Yesterday was legal tampering day one for
the Bengals, and today day two, not a ton has
happened so far, though it was about this time yesterday,
maybe a little bit earlier, we found out about the
two big signings they had made. So I just I
asked you to encapsulate day one a transformative success, be
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encouraging start c men, or d major disappointment. I think
I think most of us would agree, and on Twitter
most of us do over eighty percent encouraging start vote
now at Moeger really quick here and we'll take a
phone call or two. The Trey Hendrickson thing, which let's
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be honest, as much fun as we've had with Trey,
it's gotten exhausting. He hasn't signed with anybody yet. That
doesn't mean that he won't. It doesn't mean that he
won't get what he's looking for. Perhaps he does, but
you can't help. But you can't help. But at least
wonder did the league's impression of Trey or opinion of
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Trey match what the Bengals opinion of Tray was, which
was a little bit of a one trick pony whose
best seasons are probably behind him. Still a good player,
still a guy who could help you win, but not
somebody that's worth the kind of coin that Trey is
looking for. Concerns about age, concerns about injury. It was
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always going to be fascinating to see. Did Trey sign
almost instantly? Were teams just pushing each other out of
the way to give him top dollar? And if so,
you know what would that say about the Bengals Right now?
It feels like for all the criticism the Bengals have taken,
and by the way, they deserve it for not trading
them last year, but a lot of people looked at
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the Bengals and said they're off base. They're being too cheap.
They don't recognize how good this guy is. They're not
rewarding him that they've not evaluated him correctly. Right now,
it feels like the rest of the NFL is evaluating
Trey Hendricks in the same way the Bengals have. That
could change based on what he gets when he signs
he signs with, but right now it feels like the
league's opinion of the Bengals matches. I should say the
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league's opinion of Trey matches the Bengals opinion of Trey,
which is we like him, like to have him, not
going to get him specifically what he's looking for because
of his age, of the kind of player he is,
not so much the caliber of player he is, but
the kind of player he is. Questions about injury. You know,
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this is sort of a vindicating day for the Cincinnati Bengals.
We'll see, maybe things change and it's no longer a
vindicating day. Kind of feels like it is, though. Jim
in Centerville, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, good afternoon.
How are you.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I'm good, Mo, Thanks for taking my call. I agree
with you on the Trey Hendricks sing same thing. I
think he's just a he's a passer ash specialist.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
He's not Miles, you know, Garrett or whoever. But anyways,
I I called because I have a couple of theories
and company you think I'm wrong here when it comes
to Hunter Green. I don't think he particularly wants to
play baseball. I mean, if you think about it, he
had this elbow thing nagging him the end of last year.
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You're right, he should have had it scoped out in
the off season. But then there goes all his off
season plans. You know, he's not going to be able
to jet ski or do all of the you know,
fun things that he wants to do this off season
if he if he's got to you know, rehab that
so why not wait till the season starts well and
then get the get the surgery.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Then Yeah, I I hate to say this, but I
feel like when things get weird, it feels like you
expand the possibilities of possible scenarios or outcomes. And I
intensely hate to conclude that someone doesn't love their sport
or their craft. But when you've been accused of slow
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playing an injury, as Hunter Green was behind the scenes
last year and there's something like this, you could understand
why somebody would at least wonder, is this guy is
all in on his career as you would like for
him to be, and as the Reds need him to be.
I don't love going there, but I can understand why
one would.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, we're calling him a bargain with with what we've
signed him for. He's you know, yeah, he plays ten
games a year. He pitches you know, hardly at all,
I would say, And you know, I think it was
Nick Crawl that said, you know, hey, we're going to
look at this as a as a trade deadline edition.
Oh to me, you should be looking at it as
a trade deadline opportunity to trade him and get rid
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of it. Yeah, that's that's how Nick call looks.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
At Well, you know, trust me, one of my favorite
tropes is hurt guy coming back is going to be
our best trade deadline acquisition. That that was faulty with
Hunter Green himself three years ago. I would find a
tremendous amount of fault in that now. But like, there
are gonna be folks who say, like yourself, like we'll
trade him, And the thing is, like, is market value
(21:23):
he had an injury last year. He's never gone through
a full big league season healthy. Yes, financially he is
a bargain. But like, if you're gonna trade for Hunter Green,
you're gonna want to see him pitch, You're gonna want
to see what he can do. You're gonna know how
healthy he is. And unfortunately, right now, the questions outweigh
the answers. Now, a team might say, look, he's tremendously talented,
he's cost control. You can get him for the next
(21:43):
three years. You don't owe him anymore than he's actually owed,
Like there is something to that, But I don't know,
Like there's there's a little bit of damage goods to
Hunter Green, which I would imagine would hurt his trade value.
And I don't want to just give him away. I
want to get something back in return, and I feel
like the ability to do that is compromised with all
the health issues and all the weirdness that have sort
(22:05):
of dominated the hunder Green conversation for a while.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Now, Well, I don't think he's a bargain. I think
he's fleecing us, and for a team that doesn't have
money to waste, Unfortunately, we may have put, are you
know all of our chips on the wrong on the
wrong pony there? I mean, I don't know. I think
that I think that he doesn't. If he cared that
(22:32):
much and we've all had nagging injuries, he cared that much,
he knew, he knew that his elbow is going to
start flaming up again when he started pitching. He throws
on her mile an hour. So if there's clean up
that needs to be done, get it done in the
off season.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's I appreciate, Jim, thanks for
the phone call. Man. I appreciate and love the fact
that the dude pitched through the pain in September and
often pitched well. They don't get to the postseason without him.
And I do you usually side with hey athlete knows
his body. I just I don't understand Number one. I
don't understand why there seems to be a communication gap
(23:07):
between Hunter and the team, which kind of revealed itself
last year. Number two, and we're gonna get our doctor
from Orthosincion with this tomorrow and he may shed some
light on this. I don't understand how you don't opt
for the procedure when the season ended last year, or
even like not have him pitch in spring training games
(23:30):
because his arm was sore right before spring training started.
It just I don't know, man, I don't love arriving
at the conclusion that the guy doesn't love his sport.
I think that's a little bit much. But when you
combine the belief that was out there among people in
the organization that he slowed played his return from injury
last year, and then you have this year where it
(23:50):
just you could wonder, like, did he just not want
to have the surgery during the offseason because I hate
to say that he wanted to go jet skiing or something.
There's just there, there's NonStop weirdness, and it feels like
there's a disconnect. There's also a lot of injuries. Our
sports legal expert to attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the
Manila Loag Group, is.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
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On Tuesdays at this time, we talked sports and the
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the Manila Law Group. He is always insightful, always teaches
us something and I've got questions. Maybe you do as well.
It's awesome to have you, Stewart as always. How are you?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'm doing great, Mom? How about yourself?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm doing well. I want to start with this big
meeting at the White House last week, which was I
guess it was done in order to find solutions on
how to fix college sports and the president of the
United States says he's going to issue an executive order
that fixes college sports and addresses things like collectives and
NIL and player movement and player compensation, all of this stuff.
(25:44):
He also acknowledged that it might not stand a legal challenge.
So that's what I want to ask you. If there's
a plan at the executive level of the federal government
to fix college sports, what are the legal hurdles that
such a plan would fax here.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Well, it's similar to what we've been talking about all
these links is anti trust law and all the different
state laws that you know that govern NIL in each state,
and it's like they're trying to coach a thousand teams
at once. I can understand his perspective and what he's
trying to do, but to really get teeth in it,
it would need some sort of congressional approval Congress for
(26:22):
me to come to come together. Just a president's executive
order alone doesn't create it an anti trust exemption. And
it seems that that's what his angle is ultimately here,
is to try to get some anti trust exemption to
protect the NT double A, allow the NT double A
to have a better framework to keep a hold, and
to try to bring us out of a wild West era.
(26:42):
But without congressional approval, it can be very difficult.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
MO.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
And like I said, anti trust exemptions or anti trust
laws and state laws really stand in the way. And
you know, President Trump certainly seem very cognizant of that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Speaking of anti trust, which is a topic that, as
you mentioned, you and I talk about a lot. So
the Department of Justice and Live Nation have settled an
anti trust dispute that I think has had a lot
more to do with concert tickets, the prices of them,
the accessibility of them, than anything else. What can the
impact be on sports fans of this case?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Sure? Well, first off, hold the phone on that. They
have an agreement in place, but the judge has to
sid the court has to sign off on it. And
apparently a lot of the states that are involved aren't
immediately signing onto this right now, so it's still fluid.
But if the settlement goes through, what it can do
is open up the markets for college sports fans. Live
(27:37):
Nation we think of Live Nation, we think of live music,
but they own Ticketmaster and Ticketmasters you know obviously is
the biggest platform out there for sports as well. So
if this goes through. It could bring more you know,
more platforms into the market to sell to sports fans, uh,
and more options for schools and teams to partner with
(27:59):
and and not be so exclusive to Ticketmaster and Lotal
help with steams as well too. It creates more competition
to be more competitive on fees. You know, you go,
you buy one hundred dollars ticket to a football game
and you get twenty five dollars and fees on that.
Nobody likes that, so hopefully this will hopefully this will
help with that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
What could be a reason why a judge would not
sign off.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
On this, Well, we have to see how the framework
goes and if all the parties getting get an agreement
here all the states and whatnot. But they need their
time to weigh in. He's going to factor in and
all that. He was upset because the trial had already
started and they had apparently had a framework in place
over the weekend and didn't notify him until Sunday night,
(28:40):
So he wasn't very happy about that. Does that mean
it's going to make the settlement? No, But you know,
you never want to tick off a judge.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, number one. Yeah, rule number one for lawyers and
common folk alike. Attorney Steward W. Penrose from the Manila
Law Group joins us to talk about the sports, about
sports and the law on Tuesdays. So we have one
of the fixers in this large betting scheme that you
had like twenty six people who have been charged in
(29:08):
wire fraud and bribery chargers and the genesis of this
is huge bets on rig college basketball games. This guy,
Jalen Smith, has appeared in federal court. He has plugged
guilty and uh so this is like the first domino
to fall. I guess my question is what does his
outcome mean for the other people, specifically the college basketball
(29:30):
players involved.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, like you said, it's the first domino to fall.
So certainly the government, through him as has amount and
through other resources as well, has amount of evidence to
go on here. Clearly he had some level, must have
had some level of cooperation to take a plea this early.
It will help the dominoes fall, let's put it that way.
(29:52):
As far as the athletes themselves, you know, we'll have
to see how that plays out, mo, I mean those
that are implicated, I mean, certainly from an NC double
A perspective. Yeah, you certainly think that's the end of
their NCAA careers. At a minimum, what they say from
a criminal standpoint remains to be seen based upon their
level of involvement, what they face. As far as sending
team for those that are involve criminally, you know, time
(30:15):
will tell. You know, a judge is going to be
more likely to give some leeway to a college kid
than he has a bigger man up on the totem pole.
In such a scheme, the players are, the players are
almost are essentially the ponds and something like this.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, no, I think that's that's obviously well put. Attorney
Stuart W. Penrose from the Manila Lag Group. Awesome stuff
as always, man, thank you so much, Thank you both.
He's the absolute best. He's our legal expert from the
Manila LAG Group. Stuart W. Penrose joins us every single Tuesday.
All right. The Bearcats are up by ten, eleven, seventeen
(30:53):
to go, first round game and the Big twelve tournament.
Sports headlines are a service Kelsey Chevrolet Home of lifetime
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to thirty nine in favor of Cincinnati eleven and change
to go winner will take on UCF tomorrow. Earlier today
(31:14):
in the Big Twelve Tournament, Arizona State knocked off Baylor.
For what it's worth, Pittsburgh beat SMU at the Buzzer
in the ACC Tournament. SMU one of those teams that
needed to win this week. We'll see how that may
or may not impact the Bearcats. Quiet day so far
for the Bengals in free agency. We'll see if that
changes between now and six o'clock. Reds are taken on
(31:37):
the Colorado Rockies today, on the day that we found
out Hunter Green's gonna have surgery to remove chips from
his elbow. He is now expected to make his season
debut in July. Good news is it's not Tommy John surgery.
It's not regarded as season ending surgery. Bad news is
still gonna miss roughly half the season. Reds are playing
the Rockies today. PJ Higgins with a home run. Cincinnati
(31:59):
on top road team today three to nothing. Brandon Williamson
on the hill for Cincinnati, pitched a scoreless first inning
for the Red Legs. By the way college basketball Horizon
Lea tournament title game tonight Wright State. After beating NKU
last night, it takes on Detroit Mercy for the conference championship,
and the Columbus Blue Jackets play on the road tonight
(32:19):
against Tampa Bay. You are caught up twelve point game
right now. Cincinnati leads Utah fifty one to thirty nine.
We'll jump back into what the Bengals did and still
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
Lost two consecutive games, Cats up twelve seven forty four
to go fifty nine to forty seven. Cincinnati Cincinnati has
not been as sloppy as they were against TCU. The
Bearcats only have six turnovers so far, two in the
second half. You see his shooting sixty three percent here
in the second half. And they have been uh, they've
(33:35):
been much much more efficient today than they were on
a Saturday, four of seven from behind the arc in
the second half, forty two point one percent four the game.
It would be delightful though, if they can make a
free throw uh three for ten from the stripe today,
(33:56):
which has helped keep Utah at least kigh in it.
It's fifty nine to forty seven in favor of the Bearcats.
Winner will take on UCF tomorrow five point three seven
four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll try to grab some more
phone calls coming up in the next hour. It's been
(34:17):
a little bit more than twenty four hours since we
found out that the Bengals have signed or are going
to sign. I guess I should say two pretty good
free agents. One of them is Brian Cook. And like
the Brian Cook thing. Yes, I'm a Bearcat fan. Maybe
you're you're a huge Bearcat fan. He's a mount healthy guy.
He's a UC guy like that. Stuff is fun. That's
(34:40):
not why any of us wanted Brian Cook. Wanted Brian
Cook because he could tackle. Put it as simple as that.
Wanted Brian Cook because he's good at the one thing
that the guy he's replacing was bad at. Like when
I think when most of us think of Gino Stone
(35:02):
more than anything, it's bad tackling, poor angles. Brian Cook's
game represents the antithesis of that. That's a good signing.
Then there's boy A Mafe. I'm not the only person
to say this kind of fits that. Trey Hendrickson twenty
twenty one profile not a star, certainly not a star
(35:25):
in Seattle's defense log jam behind some guys. Scheme change
this year maybe didn't necessarily play to his strengths twenty
seven years old, tons of upside pass rush is king.
There's lots to like about these two moves. Number one
is they did some very unbengalsy sort of stuff like
(35:50):
you could hear it now. As it relates to safety, well,
it's safety well positional value. It's not a premium position.
So we're only going to go so far to sign
a safety. We're not going to pay Brian Cook the
kind of money that he's looking for instead, it was, essentially,
as Danner said in the first hour of the show,
(36:11):
an acknowledgment that they got it wrong with Jesse Bates,
and so now we're gonna pay for a safety who
can do what we haven't gotten any safety to do
since Jesse Bates left. Need a guy who can prevent
explosive plays from happening. Brian Cook can help doing that.
By the way, I also think it's not insignificant they
signed two Super Bowl champions like that. It's been a
(36:34):
while since this team won. Can hurt to have a
couple of guys who have rings that ain't bad, but
they also like you could also hear it as it
relates to edge rusher. Well, you know, Miles Murphy came
on toward the end of last season, and we did
invest a first round pick in Shamar Stewart and we
still do like him despite the fact that his rookie
(36:56):
year went sideways. And they still may but if those
things did not preclude them from attacking edge rusher early
in free agency, Like, look, man, you can beat up
on Duke Tobin for a lot of things. God knows
I have. There have been a lot of reasons to
be frustrated. But what they said they were going to
do they did. Now your eyes turned to what's next,
(37:19):
and they need a linebacker. Leoshanal is still out there.
I think he has been the guy that most fans
have kind of pined for. Understanding what they're looking for.
Somebody who's versatile, Somebody who can get after the passer,
Somebody who's good at impacting the ron d somebody who's
good at spying the quarterback. Like just versatile linebacker can
(37:42):
do a little bit of everything. Swiss army knife, so
to speak. Kay Nellis is still out there. I know.
When Danna and I, along with Jay Morrison did our
mock draft of free agents, we talked extensively about him
one of the better linebackers at getting after the quarterback.
The question is if not either of those guys, then
(38:03):
what do you do at that position? But if over
the next I don't know a few hours and I
have not seen as I've been in here doing the
show and paying attention to the Bearcat game, I haven't
seen if either guy is signed with a team yet
or agree to terms with the team yet. But if
you could get through today having addressed edge safety and linebacker.
(38:26):
Oh boy, Like that's a really really good start. The
entirety of the offseason involves the draft, but those three
plus the Riisner signing, which was a layoup, like it's
it's a good start. And as much as anything on
top of the caliber of players they have acquired, there's
just been something unbangally about how they've gone about this,
(38:49):
and that is as encouraging as anything. Sixty one fifty two,
we'll talk with Charlie Goldsmith about Hunter Green and more.
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