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March 10, 2026 41 mins

Charlie Goldsmith tries to shed some light on the Hunter Greene situation while on a crappy cell phone connection. We head to Seattle to learn about Boye Mafe. And the Bearcats hold on to advance in the Big 12 Tournament. Scott Springer checks in from Kansas City and we hear from Wes Miller.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The NFL Free agency is basically Black Friday for billionaires,

(00:04):
except everyone's fighting over a tackle instead of a TV.
Keep it here for the latest signings by the Orange
and Black. ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the
Cincinnati Vangels.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, Bearcats are making this more difficult than it
needs to be. They're up five under four media timeout
in Kansas City, sixty three fifty eight, three thirty eight
to go.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm living and dying with this game.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm gonna give you a very quick backstory here, not
take up too much of his time because he's busy.
He's in Goodyear covering the Reds. I'm stealing Charlie Goldsmith today.
And when I say I'm stealing him, he's always on
with Tony and Austin and so like you know, they
they've got their folks that they have on and we
have our folks that we have on. And I've told

(00:50):
Charlie this before. I'm jealous because Charlie is awesome at
what he does he has. I'm just I'm gonna point
this out. If you subscribe to his newsletter, you know
this Arlie's chalkboard. Between yesterday, shortly after twelve o'clock in today.
He's cranked out six pieces on Hunter Green, who we're
going to talk about, on what the Bengals have done

(01:11):
so far in free agency, what the Bengals still may
do in free agency. He's written about the Bullpen. He's
written about Ellie de la Cruz six pieces. There are
people who cover other teams like, you're lucky if you
get like three pieces during the week, So subscribe to
his newsletter. Tony and Austin are off tomorrow because the
UK basketball, and if the Wildcats keep winning, they'll be
off on Thursday. They'll be off on Friday. And I

(01:32):
said to myself, you know what, screw it. Charlie's they're
not going to have time to have him on this week.
He wrote the Hunter Green piece I want to talk about,
we're getting Charlie on and so Charlie, it's awesome to
have you. Good afternoon, Thank you for doing this. How's goodyear.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's great. I'm watching the fair Casts game run along
with you right now?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, if I get mad and say things I shouldn't
say and we have to bleep the segment, my apologies
in advance. It's awesome to have of you. Is there
a disconnect between Hunter Green and the Reds.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's something that I know is a really important question.
So if there's something I've spent a lot of time
working on, I think the best way to say is
that is for anything that Bread or Hunter would act,
what I've been on both is that there's nothing happening here.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Hunt, Charlie, I gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I got a rotten connection, And what you're saying is important.
So let's let me see if we can reset here.
Is there a disconnect between the Reds and Hunter Green.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's an important question. It's something I've spent and I
think the best way I can stay that there's nothing
on each side, and I've checked on either side led
to any sort of action. The Hunter leading the rotation,
Hunter not being happy with the Reds, and he pitches
for That's the most important thing to me. That Hunters

(02:59):
guys who's gone through his own process medically in the
you know, including this time getting the injection for Ela
Trosh's recommendation. Hunter is not the guy in the clubhouse.
That's the I mean, he's not Brent Suitor, you know,
he's not Joey Vadu in the middle of the clubhouse
that everyone gravitation. He's a huge part of kind of
the friendship group that is the rotation. So for all

(03:23):
those concerns, there have been freezing for me to ask
me questions. But I don't see any action coming from it.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
All Right, Hank Tight what we're gonna do is we're
gonna I'm gonna call you back. I'm gonna try to
get a better connection. That was better, But Terrence, if
you can get Charlie back on something that isn't being
interrupted nearly as much. Charlie Goldsmith has written about the
Hunter Green situation at his Chalkboard newsletter, which Charlie's Chalkboard
at Substack is free and it's awesome, and it's in

(03:51):
depth and if you love the Reds and Bengals, Charlie's
coverage is extraordinarily in depth and comprehensive.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
You heard Charlie talk about slow.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Playing in injury, and I think what we wonder now
is like, is is that going to be happening here
as it relates to what he's dealing with right now
at the moment. By the way, it says sixty eight
to sixty one in favor of Cincinnati two thirteen to go,
Bearcat's up seven. U Utah has called a time out

(04:20):
with the basketball trailing by seven points. Tarn is efforting
Charlie Goldsmith back with us. By the way, we're gonna
go to us Seattle and learn about boy a Mafe
coming up in just about twelve minutes.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
All right, Charlie, let me hear you. How do you
sound now?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Bearcats are up seven with seventeen on the street watching.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
All right? Amazing?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
So you talk about last year, you know, there were
the the insinuations that maybe Hunter wasn't doing everything the
Reds wanted to when it came to the injury that
that kept him out for a couple of months. So like,
now is there an assumption that he's gonna slow play
it again, that he's not necessarily going to be on
the same page at the Reds? Like, how do we
expect now this injury situation to play out well? After

(05:00):
what he and the team went through with each other last.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Year, this is a much different injury situation than anything
he's dealt with with the comedy John he had when
prospect And that's where this cut dropt Elbows spelling in
twenty four and one grain strain last year and the
hip slash sitting in twenty three like those were tougher

(05:26):
in to the bottom up for one hundred even feel
like he knew exactly this is what it was. This
is an injury where he knows exactly what it is.
You get a procedure and Ford, I understand there's a
set timeline, and I don't get the sense that the
Reds want Hunter to rush back, but obviously you know
timeline is clearer than it was last year. But this
injury does feel different way that maybe is the more

(05:48):
positive in that regard.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Uh, does it feel like this is something that he
just should have had done when last year came to
a conclusion.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a really good question. I don't want to thank
for sure, Yes, but there's who am my recommendation of
process and that's a consistent theme and trend throughout his career.
And it's been different than what other pitchers have gone

(06:17):
through in the Reds organization. But he had something going
wrong and he dealt with it with an X and
maybe he would be in a different states to be
different decision, Butter and his teammate, they're dealing with them.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
You talk about Hunter and his team and the Reds
have their team, Like does there need to be And
this kind of gets back to the original question, does
does there need to be more collaboration between the two
when it comes to Hunter's health.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yes, that's tough. You know, it's tough. That's a tough
one to answer. It's a tough thing to tell a guy. Hey,
I know you have this docu, this team that you worked,
and the Reds obviously have have guys they trust as well.
The Reds Strutt Delatross, Delatros is a great has a
great reputation as well. But the million dollar question here

(07:11):
is why Hunter just didn't have the over and something's
gonna have to answer.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
There was there was conjecture about a possible Hunter of
Green trade this past offseason. Well this maybe not during
the season, but seven months from now, eight months from now,
kind of revitalize that conjecture.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I don't think so well. I was getting at the
answer of my connection and my service was for the
fact that I don't see anything here having a tangible
impact on super emphathy. But with hunting the Reds and
him wanting to Red and Reds wanting him leaving their rotates,
you know if the Reds to get a superstar center
fielder with seven years of team control. You know, no

(07:55):
one's untradeable, but the Reds value Hunter and that's been
a consistent team. Hasn't changed when I considering this injury.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Is there more a sense of exasperation with Hunter or
relief that the procedure will not have to be a
season ender.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I don't know they've ever been firstrated. It's kind of
just some very matter of fact tone today in a
way where it had been vaguer in the past with him.
So again, I feel like this year is better than

(08:34):
its based on specific years.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Charlie will let you watch the end of this Bearcat game.
I think you have like two or three more newsletters.
You've got a podcast with Paul and Jay tonight, so
I know you have a lot going on. We appreciate
you jumping on on short notice. Thanks both, You're the best.
Charlie Goldsmith subscribed to his newsletter. It's at substack Charlie's chalkboard.
Charlie calling is from the moon apparently, which I tried.

(09:02):
I tried to make it work. I tried. I know,
like the no fault to Charlie's it happens. It's it's
happened with me, It's happened to all of us. You
get a bad connection to steal, We steal like Tony
and Austin's guy, and what we get, that's what we get.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's karma.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
We steal Tony and Austin's guy and he joins us
on a bad connection and we called him pseudo last minute.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
We could have made him do it on Zoo.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
There is I know, there's nothing as a listener that's
more makes you more uncomfortable than hearing somebody talk to
someone on the phone who has a bad connection. There's
nothing as a host that makes me more uncomfortable as
Utah hits a corner three to make it a three
point game or four point game?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I guess was that not a corner three? Was it?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm complaining about Charlie's cell phone connection and trying to
watch this game. Utah is nine. Now they are gonna foul.
Celestian's gonna go to the free throw line twenty nine
seconds to go. You see up four. Anyway, we appreciate
Charlie the cell phone connection like that's it is the
it is the like you can you could work your

(10:06):
face off to get a great guest. You can be
so excited and at the cell phone connection stinks. In
this day and age where we are doing some technologically
insane things, it feels like about one out of every
ten phone calls, whether it's a guest or you know,
somebody calling the show. We still struggle with but we appreciate.
Next time we'll do zoom or teams or one of

(10:28):
those things. Celestie makes the first free throw. It's now
seventy seven to sixty, seventy one to sixty six, and
it's now seventy two to sixty six, Cincinnati with a
six point lead, twenty nine seconds to go. All right, So,
lots of questions about Hunter Green, and it's the biggest
one is why didn't you have the procedure at the

(10:49):
end of the season. Why didn't you get cut on
at the end of the year when you just went
through a whole month dealing with discomfort? Could this scenario
they're dealing with right now have been avoided? And I'm
not gonna definitively say the answer is yes, but it's
a question you have to ask. And as Charlie said, there,
it's one that at some point I believe Hunter Green
is going to have to answer. Cincinnati is going to

(11:11):
line up six fourteen point six seconds to go. I
could taste the second round. All right, Bengals got an edge.
We'll learn about him. We'll go to Seattle chat with
one of the best sports talk radio hosts in our business.
Hopefully as a good cell phone connection. He joins us
next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2 (12:08):
Will try to get some Wes Miller for you before
six o'clock. Mulleger ESPN fifteen thirty. So of the two
guys the Bengals have agreed to terms with, the bigger
mystery is the guy from Seattle, boy A Mafe, who
many have compared to Trey Hendrickson from back in twenty
twenty one. I thought we'd get on somebody who's watched
like every snap of his pro career, Dave Softy Maler

(12:30):
from ninety three to three kjar in Seattle, right before
he goes on the air, kind enough to join us, Softy?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
What's up this, Mike?

Speaker 7 (12:39):
God?

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Is this working? Did I just hear you say that
people are comparing Boye Mafe to Trey.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Hendrick No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
See from this, from this perspective, From this perspective, Ok, God,
from this perspective.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
No, I haven't laughed at hard in weeks.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
All.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Trust me, I got I got a lot of Bengals
takes I can throw you. So when the Bengals signed
Trey Hendrickson, there was this kind of unknown factor right
you looked at the numbers. Might not have been totally overwhelmed,
but they were banking on upside. They were banking on
somebody who, in a different set of circumstances, might be
able to explode. Now, Is Boye mafe going to lead
the league in sacks? Probably not. Is he gonna have

(13:15):
a bunch of holdouts?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
God? I hope not.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But I do think there's comparisons based on what Trey
was in twenty twenty one where it looks like there's
a lot of upside, but we're still asking questions because
it feels like there's still a lot of unknowns.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
Yeah, I just look, I'll just say this, first of all, great, dude,
boy A, really really good guy. Not going to be
a problem, you know. I mean all of us have
had issues with athletes making news for the wrong reasons,
and I don't think Boya is going to come anywhere
near that, dude. So you're getting a really good, community,
team minded guy that's number one, Number two. I will

(13:52):
tell you this, and I kid you not.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
This is a true story.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
There was a point in time about halfway through this
last Seahawks season, maybe call that week nine, ten, whatever,
where I turned to Dick Fane, who I do the
radio show with here in Seattle, and I asked him, Dick,
does boy A Mafey still play here? It's like, is
he on the roster? Like what is going on with
boy A Mafey, because boy A Mafey was a guy

(14:17):
that we actually thought was gonna maybe have a little
bit of a step. In twenty twenty five under Mike
McDonald he had nine sacks and twenty three he had six,
and twenty four and then kind of went away. But
then we kind of realized if you watch Mike McDonald's defense,
they played kind of that hybrid three four, Right, So
guys like Leonard Williams chennan Owosu, if you have a

(14:41):
star like Byron Murphy, obviously he's gonna get his sacks.
He's gonna eat a little bit in the stat sheet.
But for the most part, the edge is about set
in the edge, and that's what Boye Mafey was doing
a lot of here in Seattle. So in some ways
you kind of wonder if he might be better off
in a system like Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
For a as good as.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
Mike McDonald's defense has been, and it is unbelievable, marvelous defense,
the scheme is amazing. I do wonder if Boye Mafey
is going to flourish somewhere else besides playing here in Seattle,
in the shadow of guys like Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams,
Chennana wo Su and even some guys in the secondary

(15:21):
like Devin Witherspooning, a linebacker like Ernest Jones. But I'll
admit that I was very surprised, man, when the number
came out, twenty million dollars a year. I was like, Wow,
there's no part of me back in October or November
that thought that boy Mafe deserved twenty million.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
When the confetti cleared from the Super Bowl parade, did
you guys assume he was he was gone? He was
he already being talked about in the past tense.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
Yeah, because what happens is, and you guys know this,
when you play for a Super Bowl or you win
a Super Bowl, everybody's resume looks a little better, right.
I mean, it's like when the Hawks won it in
twenty thirteen, all of a sudden, the Lions came in
and thought that Golden Tate was the Bee's knees. You know,
the Dolphins with guys like Byron Maxwell, and all of
a sudden, they're all getting overpaid. And that's kind of

(16:07):
what's going on right now. I mean, look, you know
Kenny Walker got fifteen million a year from Kansas City
based on six games. Right, Like, there was nobody in
mid December before they played the Rams on Thursday night
that thought that Kenny Walker was gonna get fifteen million
dollars a year. So once the Hawks won, everybody who
was a free agent, Kobe Bryant, Josh Job, Kenny Walker, Rashid.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
She Head, dude Mo, Rashid.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
Chhat didn't even have two hundred yards receiving in the
nine games he was here in Seattle, and he just
got seventeen million dollars based on what the guy can
do on special teams. So yeah, I think the Hawks
they got six or seven major free agents, and we
figured maybe they'll get one, maybe two of.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Them back when he was on the field, right, because
it felt like, as you kind of outlined the story
of his twenty twenty five was just wasn't on the
field near enough when he was on the field last year,
How good was he?

Speaker 8 (17:03):
I just was kind of a supplemental, complimentary guy. I mean,
this is a team that has a lot of stars
on it, right, I mean most of those stars were
created by Mike McDonald, Leonard Williams, Devin Witherspoon, Ernest Jones,
Byron Murphy players like that. I mean there's no first team,
real consensus all pro guy. Although big Cat Leonard Williams
was a first team guy, but outside of him, they

(17:25):
weren't chuck full of you know, all pros. This is
not the twenty thirteen lob right with Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman,
Ear Thomas, and Cam Schancell. The star of the show
here in Seattle is the scheme, it really is. I
mean it's like they had a stretch where they lost
three or four guys due to injury starters and the
defense still kicked ass and still was, you know, taking
people down. So billiam Afe was never a part of

(17:48):
that group, right, That was the real reason from a
personnel perspective, why these guys were doing well. He was
always a complimentary guy that it was kind of like
a good baseball umpire man, and nobody really noticed him.
To be honest with you, you know, I wish I
can come on the air and tell you more about
the kind of player he is and how impactful he was.
Every now and then he'll he'll know, bat a pass

(18:10):
down every now and then he'll you know, take up
a couple of blockers and open up a blitzing lane
for a guy like Devin Witherspoon, for example. He saw
a lot of that in the Super Bowl. By the way,
go back and watch that game. But that's what he
was here in Seattle. He was never a primary guy.
He was never a guy that they would get after
the quarterback with. He was never a guy that could
count on for a consistent pass rush. He was always

(18:31):
a guy that would do things to set up other
players to make plays. And I'm wondering Cincinnati has to
see the speed. Obviously, guys fast got some speed, and
they got to look at him as more than just
a complimentary guy, because otherwise there's no way they're giving
him twenty millions unless they're stupid.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well that may be the case.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I mean, I spent my entire life wondering why the
Bengals do so many stupid things. But I certainly believe
they see the speed on the upside. By the way,
I appreciate you saying to me when you made your
comparison to the Seahawks, and here's what all the players
that win, he said, Ah, you know this, Actually I
have no idea I want to be in your shoes
one day, So I know, I don't know, but thanks
thanks for playing along and pretending that I will.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
You know what it's like, you know what it's like
to participate in a super Bowl. That's why I said
playing one or with one.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
You know.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
Look, I mean there's a lot of people who's face
side rubbing the dirt in this business and you're not
one of them. But you know what, you also have
a world series, my friend, and we have no idea
what that's all.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I was in the eighth grade, so it almost doesn't count, right, Yeah,
that's fair.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
WAYA got au Hainio Suarez from you, that's you know,
that's kind of more excited about him.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
No, I was five and a half when the Sonics
won the NBA title, all right, So the Seahawks winning
in twenty thirteen was really my first championship. And yeah,
getting Geno back, man, I mean, good for you guys.
I mean, Gino is a phenomenal guy. But they just
needed to get something more consistent at third base. And
they've got obviously Brendan Donovan as you know, coming in
from the from the Cardinals to take Geno's spot. But

(19:56):
that at home running hitting Game five, man, that grand
slam to right field. Uh, you know, I wish it
meant more. I wish it meant you know, a trip
to the World Series. But at the time we thought
that grand slam to right field in Game five may
have been the biggest hitting Mariner history, and it certainly
is one of them, but never was able to materialize
into something bigger and better because the Ems went to

(20:17):
Toronto and fell apart for two and now.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Your players are fighting against each other in the World
Baseball class and so it's spring.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know what.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
That old thing got overblown but big.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Time, by the way, So yeah, well we'll see. I
know you got a show to do, man, Thanks.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
So much, all right, anytime guys see it.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
One of the absolute best. Dave Salty Maler for Softy
Maller from KJAR in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I've appeared in his show before. He has never appeared
on my.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
By the way, great great phone connection, great phone connection
there in Seattle. Five thirty sports headlines. Maybe here from
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Speaker 3 (21:48):
We'll start with the red stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Hunter Green's gonna have bone chips removed from his elbow,
which will keep him out of action until July. At least,
that's the expectation. This and the aftermath of finding out
last week did he dealing with elbow discomfort? Hunter's teammates
are playing today a talking stick against the Rockies. Three
good innings from Brandon Williamson, struck out three, did not
give up a run, only one hit. Cincinnati on top

(22:11):
of the Rockies has seven to nothing to score. Will
Benson his fourth home run of the spring, his third
that's actually left the park.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
TJ. Friedel went deep his first of the spring. PJ.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Higgins also hit a home run. Tell you what, Both
JJ Bleda and Will Benson have had quality springs, and
Nathaniel Lowe's production this year in spring has been encouraging
as well. Those are good things. The Hunter Green development
not so much. No major Bengals injury news today in

(22:41):
the aftermath to finding out what they did yesterday. They
need a linebacker, get one of the linebackers signed leoshanal
You signed those three dudes on top of what other
complimentary pieces they acquire in free agency, which they're not
going to solve their defense of tackle problem in free agency.

(23:03):
I agree with what Danner talked about in the first hour,
like third corner is still a need. Shouldobi a Woozy
as a third corner I think would be awesome. That's
still a need And it's like one of the reasons
why I thought Kobe Bryant might make a little bit
more sense than Brian Cook was. If you're leaning into versatility,

(23:23):
He's a guy you can put in the slot.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
He's got corner experience.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
With Brian Cook, you are getting a safety, you are
getting a tackle. The dude in play center field safety
thrilled with it. But they could still use some help
at corner. We will see, we will see. If you
miss Danner in the first hour, We'll have a podcast
as soon as the show is over on the iHeartRadio.
At college Hoops, Uce wins in the opening round of

(23:47):
the Big twelve Tournament, knocking off Utah. Game that was
maybe a little bit more uncomfortable than it needed to be,
but they do survive in advance, seventy three to sixty six.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
The final score.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Cincinnati got to fourteen from Mustafa cham eleven from Bob
and Meller. Bearcats will play UCF roughly at three o'clock
in the second round. I think the prevailing sentiment is
one that at least I agree with, that they've got
to win three games. I would find it. I would
be stunned if they made it and only won two.

(24:24):
There's seemingly no chance that just winning ones enough. Today
was a Q three game right now in the net
UCF is a Q two game because they're fifty one
in the net top fifty neutral sites a Q one game.
I'd be really surprised if they only won two and

(24:45):
found their way in, but they did get some help.
Stanford lost game, had a great ending against Pittsburgh today,
and so it feels like the Cardinal are effectively eliminated.
Our guy Hunter sands on the NKY bracket, I as
Stanford is out for good with that loss today. The

(25:06):
final score in that game was sixty four to sixty three.
Could also use an SMU loss. SMU is playing against
Syracuse in the ACC Tournament. That game, the Mustangs have
a forty three to forty lead with just over seventeen
minutes to go. I'm looking at our guy Hunter Sandsum's

(25:28):
later latest projection.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
He had Stanford.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
As an eleven seed right now, so very much clearly
on the bubble. Another bubble team that is an action
in the ACC Tournament tonight is Virginia Tech. They will
take on wag Forest. By the way, I didn't mention
this the other game earlier today in the Big twelve
tournament Arizona State in what felt like a possible swan

(25:53):
song for Bobby Hurley. They won today, so he's gonna
get at least one more game. Arizona State knocked off
Baylor eighty three to seventy nine. The Sun Devil's advance
to take on Iowa State tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Wright State has a chance to win the Horizon League
Tournament with a game against Detroit. That game in Indianapolis,
a game last night against NKU, for about thirty minutes
was terrific, and there was a stretch kind of late
in the first half where it felt like the Norse,
I don't want to say had a chance to pull away,
but it felt like they had a chance to build
a little bit of a cushion. They were playing very well,

(26:27):
and obviously Wright State over the last ten minutes ran
away and kind of hid a weird season for the Norse.
And obviously what NKU does in relation to the NCAA
tournament is defined by what they do in Indy and
they won that great game against Oakland in Round one,

(26:47):
survived with a sixty point outburst in the second half
against Green Bay on Sunday, but a little bit of
a weird year. It felt like every time they were
about to get going, they would stop, for lack of
a better way of putting it.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Hockey.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Tonight, the Blue Jackets skate against Tampa Bay the college
basketball tomorrow, there's a ton of local games.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Kentucky is going to take on LSU, which will bump
since E three sixty for a day and maybe even
for two, and maybe even for three based on how
long the Wildcats keep going. Xavier plays tomorrow in the
Big East Tournament, obviously UC and UCF at three o'clock,
and then later on this week, starting on Thursday at
eleven am. Miami and I was not here yesterday the

(27:30):
Miami Ohio U game. And I say this, I'm not
a hyperbolegue guy. I don't say things I genuinely don't believe.
And what has been an awesome season of college basketball games.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And say what you want.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
About the other issues that swirl around the sport, with
the stakes, with the setting, with the caliber of the game.
Miami and OU on Friday night is the best college
basketball game I've watched this year. And that's I'm rooting
for the RedHawks to get to the tournament. I'll root

(28:06):
for them once they get there. What Travis Steel has
done has been really fun to watch. It's cool watching
Miami get a ton of attention nationally, I think just
given the the entirety of that game, the crowd, which
I'm not sure what the breakdown of the crowd was,
it did feel like there were a fair amount of

(28:26):
Miami fans there. But I know what that would have
meant for folks who love ou to derail Miami's perfect season.
To the way the game was played, to the sense of,
oh no, what happens if they don't get in to
some of the high level plays in that game, to
just the drama down the stretch. That's best college basketball

(28:48):
game I've watched all season long. And it was in
Arizona with buddies on a spring training trip talking about
that game on Saturday, and we were discussing what the
fall out would have been had Miami lost, and discussing
the fact that it certainly does feel like, even if
they stub their toe in the MAC Tournament, that they're
going to have their name called. Now you certainly would

(29:11):
advise against losing on Thursday in Round one of the
Mid American Tournament, but that game was a game was something.
That game was something, and one of the things we
were discussing was what it had to have been like
to be standing at the free throw line knowing that
an undefeated season is on the line against that crowd.

(29:37):
And Peter Souter made those two free throws, and he
has been terrific all season long. Twelve seconds to go
in ot and you've got to make those free throws,
and if you don't, it's possibly an undefeated season up
in smoke, and then a whole lot of uncertainty about
your NCAA tournament for fortunes. He makes them. Oh you

(29:59):
misses the shot, Miami wins. Just a great game, a great, great,
great game. And congratulations to a. Travis Steel for what
he has done with that program. It is been really
really fun to watch. All Right, we can talk to
other folks. We have been super super busy today. Doug
and Anderson. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty Doug, good afternoon,

(30:21):
how are you.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Oh'm fantastic most and outside on this beautiful day, smoking
a little cigar after work, having a little sip sip
and listening to you as usual.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
You cannot beat that, except for the listening to me, Barbara,
go ahead.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
I have a quick one for you. I want to
put something on your radar. So everybody, I'm a fan
of the Miami Hurricanes since nineteen eighty three. I lived Cincinnati, Ohio.
I'm also a very very big Bearcat fan. I just
have two teams.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
That's cool.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
I lived down there for nine years, so became a
fan in the early eighties when they won the first
national championship. Anyway, I've watched every game this year, and
everybody is overlooking a keen Mesador. I'm telling you, the
dude is edge six three two eighty. He has more
sacks and more tackles than Baine. He is a stud.

(31:14):
He is a stud and if he if he's in
the draft, the Bengals gotta get him.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I think right now I looked at and I
don't have this in front of me. It might have
been Dave Brugler from the Athletic who had him. I
believe is the fourth best edge in the class. So
I don't know if anybody nationally is overlooking him. I
think the fascination with Bain, Like, let's be honest, more
folks watch Miami in the National title game, than watched

(31:40):
any other Hurricanes game and Ruben Bain was here at least,
and Ruben Bain was awesome in that game, and so
there is some recency bias. But uh, yeah, you're right.
I mean, we'll see where he is on the Bengals board.
It kind of feels like with what happened with Bain's arms,
there's a pretty decent chance he's there at ten, and
if they have him ranked higher than Mesidor, then they're

(32:02):
going to take Baine. But you know, we'll see what
they've done in the draft or in free agency how
that informs what they've done in the draft. But I
would like to think that the Bengals are not overlooking
the guy that is regarded by some evaluators as the
fourth or fifth best edge rusher.

Speaker 9 (32:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Well, I mean Bain got all the national attention. Like
every game I watched, especially the nationally televised games, it
was ban Baying, Baying Bain, and then meanwhile, Mesador's over
there getting as many pressures as many sacks. And you know,
I said to my son, who we watched games with
all the time, he looks like Shrey Hendrickson, except for

(32:37):
he also makes a lot of cackles.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, and by the way, he did have two sacks
in the national title game.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
Yes, he's a dude. Man, He's just he's a low
key guy. He's just under the radar. But I'm telling
you that guy is going to be somebody who's great
ed rusher.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
We've got him on the radar. Doug enjoyed the cigar man,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Thank you man.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
All Right, this is really cool of him to do.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
But because he has stuff to do for his employer,
but he's kind enough to join us from Kansas City,
where the Bearcats have advanced in the Big Twelve tournament.
Scott Springer from The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com Scott,
that was a little bit uncomfortable towards the end, but
I never completely felt like the game was that much
in doubt.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
What was the vibe in Casey, Yeah, kind of the same.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
You know, Terrence Brown goes nuts there toward the end,
but you're thinking, you know, maybe finally you see hits
a free throw here late, and they made enough late.
They sent a ten out of eighteen, so they didn't
make one more free throw than they did three pointer.
But yeah, they at one point they were like one
out of six from the stripe and it was an
awful day free throw shooting. And then the game starts,

(33:44):
you know, fifteen to six, you're going, okay, does somebody
make a coffee run here?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
What's going on?

Speaker 10 (33:50):
And then they kick it in gear and they looked
like the Bearcats. So those should have been thirty one
to twenty a half because keisch Antillery shot the ball
too early on the very last shot, otherwise had a layup.
But yeah, game of runs. Give you talk credit that
you know they're not good record wise, they probably in
another league, are halfway decent in the middle of it,

(34:11):
but welcome to the Big twelve. It's crazy. And now
you get UCF again tomorrow who you split with, and
Misstapha Chum gets to play his old guys again and
Jesse James probably looking forward to that game. And so
you're you're allowed to play another day and see what
happens because you certainly don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Is there a sense that they have to win three
in Kansas City to have a chance on selection someday?

Speaker 10 (34:34):
I have heard that. I don't know. Well, I mean,
let let's face it, if you be the Arizona which
would be your third game.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
How can you not be in at that point.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
That's a shoe win to me. You turn some heads
if you win tomorrow and then maybe play Arizona. Okay,
but I'm not on the selecting committee and nor would
they ever consider to have me on one. But yeah,
they still have work to do. You know, just beating
Utah I was not really impressing anyone nationwide. It's just

(35:04):
the fact that you've survived a game. Now you go
back a couple of years ago. Here they played a
not so good West Virginia team and it was kind
of nip and tuck after they had blown them ount
in the regular season, and it was kind of a
shootout game. Wasn't the previous thing. But then the next game,
you know, they had Kansas. They won that one by twenty.
They led Baylor in the following game in the quarterfinals

(35:26):
at the half, so you know, this one's out of
the system hopefully, and then maybe they can get things
in beer for UCF. And UCF's kind of like, U see,
you don't know which UCF team you're going to get.
They can they're either world beaters or they just look
like your average you know, middle of the back team.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I think that was the thing for me coming into
today because for three weeks they look like one of
the best teams in the country, and then they looked
like they couldn't complete a pass against TCU. And now
I'm back to wondering, game in a game out, who's
going to show up?

Speaker 10 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah, I understand. I was at the tc game
and it was really taken aback by all the turnovers.
And you know, even ask jam Me Dixon, I said,
did you just give a blueprint to Duc And he goes, well,
it was our blueprint, And you know, I thought Utah
played pretty decent defense on him. But in the end,
you get double doubles from Bobba Miller in the Sapa Chong,

(36:19):
and I think you're gonna win most of those games
if those two have double doubles. And Miller, you know,
to me, he still passes up on a lot of shots.
He's a great passer, but there's so many times I
see him get the ball inside and then they flipped
it back outside, and I know it's it's math threes
more than two, but sometimes he got a six eleven

(36:39):
seven foot guy in there for a bank shot. It's like,
why wouldn't you take that?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Uh, I know you have a lot to do. Thank
you for squeezing us in.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
If the same opportunity presents itself tomorrow, we will not
say no.

Speaker 10 (36:50):
All right, we'll see what happens. I had to work now.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, I understand that, says Scott Springer, covering the Bearcats
in Kansas City for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com.
I don't know how long this is, but Wes Miller
just got done chatting with the media in Kansas City.
Here is the head coach of the Bearcats talking with
reporters in the aftermath of his team's opening round win.

Speaker 9 (37:11):
Yeah, listen, we think we tied for seventh in the league,
but lost the tie breaker with a couple other teams.
So the way I look at it, we get to
play today on the first day like that was.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I take it.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
It's just blessing and I have a lot of respect
for Utah. Look, we played them. It feels like a
month ago now, But when you were doing the scout,
they were in every game, like they had so many
opportunities to win games. They were in every game, and
we had to play really well at home at the
end to come back and win, And I thought we

(37:45):
did a nice job after we got the jitters out.
We stayed in it with our defense in the first half.
Then we started rebounding and running and it was a
little bit of a lid on it early, but our
defense kept us in it. And I thought we played
well there for a while. And give give a we
push out a double figure lead, But give credit to
them for making a run. They haven't they haven't been

(38:08):
able to get buried all year, Like you know they're
gonna kind of come back and fight, and so they
made a nice run. It feels like Terrence Brown made
every mid range shot during that run, so give him
some credit. But I thought our guys at the under
four time out did a nice job of like regrouping, executing,
and then finding a way to get some stops, some
of the blocks at the basket late.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
We're big force, coach.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
You've talked all year about how important you're bid and
sch is. When you look at that twelve ozho run
to close the.

Speaker 8 (38:36):
First half, how crucial was the play of key Shawn
Shawn and since here at both ends of the court.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah, I actually said that to the team in the
locker room just now that I thought our bench was
the catalyst star success tonight that run in the first half,
and they had some really good minutes there in the
second half in a run as well. So complete team
effort and our bench was extremely important to us winning
this game.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Wes Miller chatting with the assembled media in Kansas City,
you see and UCF tomorrow at three o'clock. We have
been busy today. My thanks to Tarren Bland for producing.
My thanks to you for listening. We are back tomorrow
at three oh five more on the Bengals and whatever
may happen. We'll also chat with our guy, doctor Jonathan

(39:23):
Slaughter about Hunter Green and so much more.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Are we go to Kentucky? Oh, that's right, we're on
Yeah late, I forgot. There's so many moving parts.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's right, the UK Games at twelve thirty. I'm guessing
we'll get on the air. Tara, Let's have a contest.
Let's see who comes closest. Now you can rig this
because you produced the show. What time will our music
hit for us to go on the air tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I'm gonna say about three forty five, all.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Right, I'll say three thirty nine, So we're both going
to be close. They're not going to do a ninety
minute post game show tomorrow, right, So we'll be on
on roughly at three point thirty, reacting to the Kentucky game,
reacting to the Barricad game, setting up the Xavier game,
the latest on Hunter Green, and maybe the Bengals will

(40:13):
sign somebody else.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I certainly hope.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
So anything you ams go find on the iHeartRadio app
pod our Paul Danner Junior conversations on there right now.
Have a great night, Thank you for listening. We'll talk
to you tomorrow at three thirty nine on ESPN fifteen
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