May 5, 2026 • 34 mins
There are two types of closers. Which type is Emilio Pagán? Tito Francona talks about Elly De La Cruz. Our sports legal expert Stuart W. Penrose discusses Brendan Sorsby's legal options.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Media, Oh, guess day. What day is it? Guess what
day it is?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Day?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know that's not exactly true. In my house, it
is Sinko demayo. We didn't plan this very well. I
think we're having meat loaf tonight. I haven't consulted with
my other half, but I think tonight's meat loaf Tuesday
the like exact opposite meal that you want to have
on Cinco de Mayo. We might have to change things up.
(00:31):
I don't know. Good afternoon on Moeger. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thanks so much for listening, and hopefully you're
having an awesome, awesome, awesome Tuesday. Monday night if you're
a Reds fan, was promising and then miserable because Amelio
Pagan coughed a game up and I've been told I'm
overreacting to this. We'll get to that here in just
(00:52):
a second. We do have a pole question about Emilio
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should amili opagm be the closer or literally anyone else?
(01:14):
Vote now at mogar before we expand on that, let's
grab a let's grab a Terrell Downtown. You're on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thanks for hanging on, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
How are you are yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Vote?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I'm well, man, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm just want to make a quick coming about the
live Boxers and away game.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Please.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So, going back, going back to back in the day
with the Kio Spices was rapping. They were two rookies.
They first knew wasn't that good, but look how they
turned out.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes, no, you're you're exactly right. You're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And uh, my thing based on the way games true
missions only been a one away game and it was
It was a Pittsburgh and it was changuary. It was
actually January last year with Joe Burrow Warner. Mm hm,
can you can hear you can hear pars Rock we
had this storm.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Uh you talking about the last the last game of
the season twenty twenty four when they had to win
to keep their playoff hopes alive.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, that was the only away game I looked been
to and you can hear pans rocking. There ain't nothing
like going to Pittsburgh and win. It hit the pears
rocks moving.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, here's the thing. You're one to ze road games,
so now you have to go to another one.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I know. My next nation is Baltimore. The Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh, I've I've been lucky enough to do both. I
would and this is no knock on Cleveland, but uh,
the Baltimore experience is better. Okay, there's my recommendation. You
got to do Baltimore. There's my recommendation. Not to wry.
You make a fair point. The linebacker play has changed
since Takeo Spikes and Brian Simmons were rookies.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They they had their struggle. I don't know that their
struggles were as pronounced as those of Barret Carter and
Demetrius Knight, but there is there is there's a reasonable
expectation of improvement just from the accumulation of experience. We
are on the same page there. It's all good to
hear from me. Man, Thanks so much. You do the same. Yeah,
my first Bengals wrote. My first Bengals road game was
(03:10):
actually a New Jersey so I'm loose to the Jets
when I was in high school, but my freshman year
of college, they went to Pittsburgh on a Thursday night.
Thursday night games used to be on TNT and Jeff Blake,
I remember the Moonball. Jeff Blake is my second favorite
Bengals player of all time. And the Steelers at that
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time were at three River Stadium. They were in the
mid nineties. They were really good. They went to the
Super Bowl that year. Bengals go there on a Thursday
night and smoked them twenty seven and nine. And that's
a Pittsburgh team that went to the Super Bowl. And
I will never forget watching Darnay Scott and Carl Pickens
catch I could look it up, but you know, like
fifty yard touchdown passes from Jeff Blake and just shutting
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that crowd up.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And then I believe the Bengals maybe won three or
four more games the rest of the season. That would
have been like late October nineteen ninety five. That's a
pleasant memory. What is not a pleasant memory is last
night in the ninth inning, Emelio Pagan giving up the
tying and winning run, and that was I think the
first real gut punch loss of twenty twenty six. Number one,
(04:24):
it was a walk off loss. Number two, it was
the fourth consecutive loss. Number three. It's obviously Reds had
come out of Pittsburgh. That felt like when they had
the lead in the ninth inning, like, all right, this
is exactly what the doctor ordered coming off of what
happened in Pittsburgh. You ran Chase Petty out there last night.
Chase Petty was obviously not great, but he was good
(04:45):
enough on the road with the wind blowing out against
a good offensive lineup Saya Suzuki had wanted nearly Wisconsin,
but beyond that, Chase Petty gave your team a chance
to win and stood in line to be one of
the reasons why the Reds broke their three game losing
streak to gain a game in the standings against the
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Cubs again, a night where key Brian hayes it's a
home run that felt like it was gonna be a
significant win. And I know they all count the same mathematically,
but that that felt like it was maybe gonna count
for a little bit more, and instead it felt like
a loss that counted for a little bit more. Emelio
Pagan blew the game. Emelio Pagan is a good major
(05:28):
league pitcher. I know nobody wants to say that right now,
but Emelio Pagan is a good major league pitcher. He
probably just shouldn't close. I don't know about you. My
thinking has evolved about closers because I used to hear like,
(05:51):
you gotta have that ninth inning mentality, or it's just
different pitching in the ninth than it is even in
a really high leverage situation in the seventh or eighth.
But nearly every person whose opinion about pitching I respect
has stated publicly it is different, whether it's the mentality,
(06:11):
whatever it is, Pitching in the ninth inning is different.
Melio Pagan, I think would be fine in the seventh,
eighth and the seventh inning or the eighth inning. I
think he would be fine if he occasionally had to
pitch the ninth. It doesn't feel like on a really
good team, like he's the best option for the ninth inning. Now,
(06:34):
the obvious counter to that is, well, then who should
it be? I don't know. Here's what I do know.
The Reds have been lauded for the way that they
have built up a nice accumulation of relief pitchers. Is
there not someone in their worth at least trying in
the ninth because let's admit this, when you're winning in
(06:56):
the ninth inning, chances are the picture on the mountain
is going to get the last before the other team
takes the lead. So you're operating with a pretty built
in large margin for error. Why not try somebody else?
It feels like there are two types of closers in baseball.
Every closer blows a save. Obviously some blow them more
(07:20):
infrequently than others. But there are closers who, when they
blow a save, it's surprising. Think of the best to
do it, Think of the best the Reds have had
to do it. When they blow a save, it's pretty surprising.
Didn't see that coming. Then there are closers who, when
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they blow a save, you just kind of go, yep,
about what I expected. Most of the time, Emilio Pagan
gets the last three outs most of the time. Most
closers get the last three outs. What you should be
looking for as a closer who when he does blow
a save, it's a shot, or it's at least a
(08:01):
mild surprise because he's that damn reliable. It sounds like
we're picking on it because of one bad outing, and
maybe there's something to that, because emotionally, last night felt
like more of a gut punch than any other game
the Reds have lost this season. But be honest with me,
man okay, and I like Himily Amelia Pagan has been
(08:21):
in this studio with me. He is a wonderful dude,
like one of my favorite contemporary Reds that we've ever
had on the show. Self effacing and funny and reflective
and honest and engaging, like as a dude. Love him,
love him. We've had him on this show each of
the last two winters in studio for like a half hour.
(08:42):
Fun guy to talk to, easy guy to root for,
a guy that you should want to be a part
of the team. But do you want him pitching at
a ninth inning when the Reds have a lead, a
tight lead, not a four run lead, hell, not a
three run lead, one run game, Amelia Pegan comes out,
he may get the last three outs and the odds
(09:03):
are in his favor because it's baseball that he's going
to get the last three outs and he's gonna pick
up the save, which is mostly a meaningless statistic, But
do you feel confident if the answer is yes, by
all means make the case that he should continue to
be the closer. If the answer is no, and you
acknowledge they have some good relievers, is there any harm
(09:27):
in letting somebody else be the guy, at least temporarily.
I know I don't feel the way Terry Francona does.
You're gonna hear him on a number of different topics
in just a few minutes, and he may pitch tonight,
He may get the save, he may get the three
(09:47):
outs before the Cubs tie the game. All is well
and Emilio keeps his job and we don't talk about him.
I can't speak for anybody else. I can't speak to
anybody else who does a talk show or a podcast
or has an out let. But in the year plus
that he has been the closer, this is the first
time we've made him a topic. Because unreliability accumulates over time.
(10:10):
If you're late to work once, you're not unreliable. If
you're late to work like four times in a month
and a half, you're unreliable. Emilio Pagan feels unreliable, and
when he blew the save last night. You may have
been angry, you may have been pissed, you may have
been frustrated. Chances are you weren't stunned, were you. Five
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Earlier today, Buster Rolie had on his podcast, the Baseball
Tonight podcast Reds manager Terry Francona. Some call him Tito.
Tito and Buster are talking ball. That's really what this name,
(13:32):
the name of this podcast should have been. So here
is Tito answering the question about what he has seen
from Elie de la Cruz so far this season.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know, like young good players with repetition, you know what,
the five six hundred that bats, they get better. And
his game is maturing and he's been really consistent, you know,
like defensively, he's moving his feet every play just most
of the time. You know, he has the ability to
(14:03):
make the spectacular play that we see a bunch, but
he's making the routine play.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
His throws have been.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
On the money so consistently this year, and that's been
really good because we have to be good defensively. We
have to play clean baseball. Our starting pitchers. We don't
strike guys out like you know, like maybe some of
these other teams. Doesn't mean they're not good pitchers, just
we pitched the contact so we better catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And so far, for the most part, Dan Myers kind
of stepped weirdly on the warning track last night and
that ball hit to right field, and some blame the
IVY balls hit really hard. I think you could argue
the play could have been made. Dan Myers is typically
very good in the outfield. He was not on that
(14:52):
play last night. So there are exceptions to the rule,
but the rule for much of the season has been
that the Reds have done a good job of catching
and throwing the baseball. We have folks waiting five point
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty Phil, you're on ESPN
fifteen thirty Pel, Good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm great.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
No, I just got through sitting in northern Kentucky's biggest
parking love coast of training.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Good congratula, congratulations, I've I've I've sat in that parking
lot many times.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Indeed, indeed, first of all, I feel better about Meleio
Pigan if his backless baseball card didn't show you that
every other year he's pretty good and then the other
year he's and so like he's kind of due for
Russian this year. So I think you should have a
short leaseh Yes, they do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's a it's interesting even at his best last season,
hey had good year. He had a good year last year,
But even at his best, you sort of thought he's
best cast as something that's not a closer. Even when
he was at his best, I think if you ask
most folks who follow this team, they would have said, man,
it would be awesome if they had a Meliopagan on
the twenty twenty sixteen, but not as the closer. That
(16:08):
was when he was having a good year. Now he's not.
So you can't help it say the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
The real reason I called, though, is I understand that
you think that you have a dilemma, which is his
taco Tuesday. Yeah, but it's meat loaf night.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yes, it is meat loaf. It's left over meatloaf night.
My wife last night made a great meat loaf. And
there's either good meat loaf or bad meat loaf. There's
nothing in the middle. Last night's meat loaf really good.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
All right, no real quick question.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
What's better?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
The first eu a meatloaf or a leftover meatloaf.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Sandwich, And a meatloaf sandwich is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So here's the thing. Taco Knights not done. Ooh done.
You have suso at home?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We do meat loaft talkers, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
We have cheese, yeah, you got you got hot sauce,
We got hots, We.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Have taco seasoning. I just bought some on Saturday, my gun.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I give you some flower tortillas on the way. Howme,
you're done? Taco too, stays still alive. You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Phil I'm I'm jotting this down so I could text
my wife during the break to say, meat loaf, tacos,
question mark, exclamation mark, that's what I'm gonna do. Excellent, Phil,
Thank you very much. This is this is good. This,
this is this is the sort of hard hitting sports
talk that I like. Yeah, she reminded me last night
(17:32):
after I said, man, this meat loaf is the best
I've ever had. There's a good meat loafer that my
grandma made the best meat loaf. And beyond that, like
my dad made a good meat loaf. A lot of
people like you go to a restaurant, get meat, get
meat loaf. You have you have no idea what you're getting.
There's good meat loaf there, there's no average meat loaf.
Wife makes it. It's killer. We could stuff that in
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the taco shell tonight so it could be Taco Tuesday. Terran,
you might have had the correct premonition, Josh and Tennessee,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Heymo, thanks to say my call.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You saw my thunder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But Myers absolutely should cough that ball. And I know
Fred Will gets the beat up a lot, but there
is no doubt in my mind, Fradle catches that ball.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You know the player earlier. I think he's in the
seventh inning where Myers almost screwed that up between him
and the left fielder.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I really and I think if you asked Myers if
he was honestly say yeah, I absolutely should have caught
that ball.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
He catches that ball. It's a three up, three down inning,
and we're not even having this discussion.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Maybe ball was still really well hit, and you may
be very very correct, And the sad thing is we're
never going to know. And I'm with you and that
I felt like it was a catchable ball. I felt
like it was a more catchable ball than when I
saw it in real time, because you saw the weird
steps and I think Tito even talked about this after
the games. He sort of stepped weird on the warning
track and didn't necessarily take the correct route to the ball.
(18:58):
And so I'm inclined to believe that that play should
be made. But fine, go ahead. I'm sorry ourself. Our
phone service is stuck in the nineteen fifties. I didn't
hear what you said. Will you repeat that for me?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Are you with me that that Freda absolutely catches that ball.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Probably, Yeah, the Dave Meyer's a good defensive center fielder,
then you know, I mean, i'd guess that Friedol catches it.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
By the way, it's worth mentioning on the the on
the Nico Herner sacrifice fly, JJ Blede made a hell
of a throw. But like all of all of that said,
then recovering, don't give up a walk off bomb to
Michael Conforto, thank you. I mean, like multiple things can
be true. Ball was hit really hard. Wasn't the easiest play.
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I'll say that Friedo would have made the play. I
think Myers probably should have. But all right, it happened.
Don't give up the walk off bomb. Like, don't give
up the wa talk off bomb. There is a lack
of reliability, and Emeliopagan is not a bad picture Meliopagan.
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If Threads have success this season, emeli Opagon is going
to have something to say about it. I just you
wish you had a closer who you felt better about
when he's out there. You wish you had a closer
who when he does blow the game, you're surprised because
he's otherwise very reliable. I think Emeliopegan is that. Let's
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be honest, man, he had a good year last year
and he was thrust into a role that many of
us were not sure he should be in. But when
Emeliopagan comes out of the ninth inning, tell me you
feel comfortable. If you do, I don't, and I think
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most most feel the way I do when he comes
out to protect a one run lead in the ninth inning.
And look, if he gets an opportunity tonight, I hope
he gets it done. That'd be great. But if it's
a four to three game in the ninth inning tonight,
Reds are trying to put away a four game losing streak.
If Amelia Pagan is summoned to get the last three outs,
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there's always some unease because the ninth inning is nerve
wracking and a one run lead is the smallest possible margin.
But you're gonna feel even more unease because it's Amelia Pagan.
Uh Brendan Soresby is luring up, lawyering up, as they
say in the English language. Our lawyer are sports legal
(21:44):
expert Attorney Stewart W. Penrose will discuss the former UC
quarterbacks legal options.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from the ESPN FW
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Speaker 1 (22:03):
Brendman and Jones on Baseball is about fifteen minutes away.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moegar. Thank you for listening.
On Tuesdays, we talked with our sports legal expert from
the Manilo log Group, attorney Stewart W. Penrose, and he
joined us last week and it was the day after
the Brendan Sorsby story had broken. Yesterday we found out
(22:24):
that Soresby has hired a high profile attorney in an
effort to, I guess, maintain his eligibility. And so we
had more questions and Stewart is here. Good afternoon, sir.
How are you. I'm doing I'm doing well. So let's
talk Brendan Sowersby. He has not yet been ruled ineligible.
(22:46):
Now it's fair to it's fair to conclude that there's
at least a very good chance that he is ultimately
declared ineligible to play college football. Would him hiring this
high profile attorney suggest that he spects to be to
be declared ineligible?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yes, absolutely, in very very high probability he's going to
be deemed in eligible. He's smart to get ahead of
it right now. You know, this attorney's very experienced and
working in these matters and you know, working for athletes,
and you know, we'll see what happens here, but certainly
he's trying to get ahead, if not to you know,
potentially beat the charge, to stay eligible, at least to
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have a mitigating factors that a lawyer present mid mitigating
fact for him that could potentially lessen his punishments. But
you know, if the accusations you know that he bet
on you know, certainly on college football games while he
was a player Indiana, if those are shown to be true, yeah,
he's going to be deemed in eligible now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So like it seems like this would then be pretty
black and white, like he if he wagered on sports
that he's not allowed to weigh raw on, including games
that his team is participating in, he's ineligible. So based
on that, what possibly could his case be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, at that point, it's about mitigation. It's about what,
you know, what factors can bring down his punishments and
you know, soften you know, some culpability. You know, it's
a line that I've used in Quart a million times more.
Judge is not an excuse, but it is an explanation,
you know the fact that he's going to get treatment
(24:20):
right now for a gambling addiction. I have no idea
if this lawyer is going to contest some of the
ways that press the INNC Toblaz found evidence and you know,
see if there's any violations there. Who knows, but certainly
it seemed like this would be more for mitigation, and
you know, softening the aura around absorbs me.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Right now, there's the eligibility question. There's questions about where
whether he would then jump to the supplemental draft that
the NFL has every summer that very few players are
ever involved in. And then I've read that possibly what
he has been doing, or what he's alleged perhaps to
be doing, is going to gain the attention of the FBI.
Why and how might this play out?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, we'll see what happens there. I mean, it's not automatic.
I mean just just because there's an NCAA eligibility, she
doesn't necessarily mean there's criminal elements. You know, that said,
the n c double A is going to look and
see if there's sort of you know, fraud, Is there
a larger scale gambling ring that he's a part of. Them.
That about an accusation of just saying what the NCA
would look for. You know, certainly, if he indeed was
(25:24):
a player making bets on his own team's games, was
he using some sort of inside information there? I mean,
it's not just about impropriety mode, but the appearance of it.
You know, that's when the you know, that's when the
FBI would get involved.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Attorney Stewart Tubed Penrose from the Manila Lag Group is
our sports legal expert. I want to ask you about this.
The Big Twelve is entering an agreement. And I always
sort of glaze over whenever I read about private equity
firms because I'm not exactly sure what they do. But
the Big Twelve is going to enter a private equity agreement.
(25:59):
So I understand, like there's the financial part of this,
but I also gather there's legal questions that hover over
the member institutions of the Big Twelve, including obviously the
University of Cincinnati. What are some of the legal questions
for those schools?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sure? I mean, it's essentially what you have when you uh,
when you sign into equity private equity, is that you're trading,
you know, an influx of cash, cash infusion for control
and who is going to be making some of these
decisions on behalf of these conferences?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
UH?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Is it going to be the conferences or is private X?
What are you going to have the bigger say, you know,
in terms of TV deals, in terms of scheduling, UH,
confer truss, you name it. You know you've now allowed
private equity into the room. And you know certainly there's
pluses with that, you know, especially for a conference like
the Big twelve that you know is trying to stay
financially relevant with the UH, with the Big ten and
(26:53):
the SEC. But but yes, you've invited you know a
third party is in there that you know how to control,
how to stay what control will they have?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All Right, one more to ask you about. So Pittsburgh
Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf last year during a game
against the Lines at Ford Field, there was this altercation
with a fan and I had totally forgotten about this
until I saw that prosecutors have said that no charges
are going to be filed against DK Metcalf for this
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altercation that ultimately led to him getting a two game suspension.
I understand why he got suspended. I think most of
us who have any common sense would agree that he
should face some action from the league if he engages
in something like this with a fan. But the criminal
case seemed flimsy. I kind of feel like the fan
involves civil case seems flimsy. What say you?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It certainly appears appears to me when you look at
what happens that's said. I mean, just because a criminal
case failed or is not brought forward, cases are a
lower burden to proof. You know, it's just preponderance of
the evidence. And if you know, as the plane, if
you've got to preserve prove something is more likely than
not to have been the case instead of beyond a
(28:11):
reasonable doubt. But yet it doesn't seem like a whole
heck of a lot happened to the span at the
you know, at the end of the day, here mo,
what is the fan's actual damages? Who knows? And you know,
I understand what metcalf is saying in terms of what
this fan may have sent him. It sounds like they're
real there could have been a racial slur used, and
he's filed a counter plan against the fan. I mean,
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my understanding is that he is that by having that
two game suspension he lost out on, you know, potential
bonuses worth millions as well. So so certainly he's had
a you know, a far reaching effect, you know, over
this ordeal. But yes, it seems the fan's got a
very upfill battle to prove his case.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, certainly seems like an attorney's store. Wed Penrose from
the Manilo Law Group. I plan on not getting into
any altercations with any NFL players, But if I do,
and if I need an attorney, could the Manila Law
Group help me?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, you could speak to my colleague rop Heel. It
could certainly help you if if you try and assault
an NFL player, which I recommend that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
You don't do.
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That's my guy, Attorney Stewart W. Penrose, Manila Law Group
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do it again next week. Man, thanks so much, Thank you, Bob.
That's our guy. He's our legal expert sports legal expert,
Attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the Manilo Law Group. Tearing
When our phone makes that weird like farting noise, is
that going out over the air f in the year
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twenty twenty six using we're using landlines? Correct? Yes? Why
do our phones sound like that? I was just watching
the the Artemis Mission crew on the Today Show the
other day and they were showing some of the communication
that they had with Earth millions of miles away. Stuart's
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office is like ten minutes from here, and we can't
make a phone call without there being static on the phone.
And that's that's on our end because I heard it
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and Cubs again tonight at Wrigley Field. By the way,
Wrigley Field is awesome. Okay, want some sports journalists tay
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The press box have no idea wriggly Field is awesome.
Would be awesome if the Reds could break their four
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Andrew Abbott against Jamison tie on seven forty tonight's first
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you the Red starting lineup? I will I can uh
Fried ol Bla Day de La Cruz, Stuart Lowe, Steer,
Stevenson catches McLean is back in the lineup. He is
playing second base and betting eighth key. Brian Hayes, who
homered last night, bets ninth. By the way, we need
to issue a congratulations to the Xavier men's golf team
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tied for the lowest single round score in tournament history.
Congratulations to him. Congratulations to the Xavier Golfing.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Uh oh.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I got a couple of housekeeping items here. One. We
don't have enough meat loaf for tacos, I'm told, so
plan B. Also, my phone went off early in the show.
I usually the very first thing I do when I
(32:32):
come in for quick hits is I turn my ringer off.
Because I'm a broadcasting professional. Occasionally I will forget at
a few minutes after three o'clock when the show began,
I got a phone call from my mom. And my
mom lives in Nevada, so maybe she lost track of
time and didn't realize it was three o'clock on the
East coast, and that you know, I was going to
(32:55):
be unavailable. But I've had three people reach out that
want to know what my ring tone is. So my ringtone, No,
that's that's the that's the end of it thing. And
I'm gonna do this again. I will play because this
is a sports connection. Now there's bonus points if anybody
(33:19):
knows what that ringtone is. That is the CBS NBA
on CBS theme from the nineteen eighties. Dn't Dun't dudn't
dun anyway? That one nostalgia. Yeah, it's the it's the
greatest TV sports theme song of all time. Yes, better
(33:40):
than the NBA on NBC theme. Like every time my
phone rings, I could hear Brent Musburger like narrating the
voiceover for like Celtics Lakers or uh Lakers Pistons, that
sort of thing. So there's the ringtone. Yes, I'm that dorky.
The NBA on CBS theme is my ringtone. So there's
(34:00):
a couple of very important sports nuggets. We'll see if
we can fix the phones. And I've got really bad
news as it relates to sALS Stewart and I want
to take you back five years ago to right now,
five years ago. But we'll do all that out for
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know that's not exactly true. In my house, it
is Sinko demayo. We didn't plan this very well. I
think we're having meat loaf tonight. I haven't consulted with
my other half, but I think tonight's meat loaf Tuesday
the like exact opposite meal that you want to have
on Cinco de Mayo. We might have to change things up.
(00:31):
I don't know. Good afternoon on Moeger. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thanks so much for listening, and hopefully you're
having an awesome, awesome, awesome Tuesday. Monday night if you're
a Reds fan, was promising and then miserable because Amelio
Pagan coughed a game up and I've been told I'm
overreacting to this. We'll get to that here in just
(00:52):
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should amili opagm be the closer or literally anyone else?
(01:14):
Vote now at mogar before we expand on that, let's
grab a let's grab a Terrell Downtown. You're on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thanks for hanging on, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
How are you are yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Vote?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I'm well, man, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm just want to make a quick coming about the
live Boxers and away game.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Please.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So, going back, going back to back in the day
with the Kio Spices was rapping. They were two rookies.
They first knew wasn't that good, but look how they
turned out.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yes, no, you're you're exactly right. You're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And uh, my thing based on the way games true
missions only been a one away game and it was
It was a Pittsburgh and it was changuary. It was
actually January last year with Joe Burrow Warner. Mm hm,
can you can hear you can hear pars Rock we
had this storm.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Uh you talking about the last the last game of
the season twenty twenty four when they had to win
to keep their playoff hopes alive.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, that was the only away game I looked been
to and you can hear pans rocking. There ain't nothing
like going to Pittsburgh and win. It hit the pears
rocks moving.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, here's the thing. You're one to ze road games,
so now you have to go to another one.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I know. My next nation is Baltimore. The Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh, I've I've been lucky enough to do both. I
would and this is no knock on Cleveland, but uh,
the Baltimore experience is better. Okay, there's my recommendation. You
got to do Baltimore. There's my recommendation. Not to wry.
You make a fair point. The linebacker play has changed
since Takeo Spikes and Brian Simmons were rookies.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They they had their struggle. I don't know that their
struggles were as pronounced as those of Barret Carter and
Demetrius Knight, but there is there is there's a reasonable
expectation of improvement just from the accumulation of experience. We
are on the same page there. It's all good to
hear from me. Man, Thanks so much. You do the same. Yeah,
my first Bengals wrote. My first Bengals road game was
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actually a New Jersey so I'm loose to the Jets
when I was in high school, but my freshman year
of college, they went to Pittsburgh on a Thursday night.
Thursday night games used to be on TNT and Jeff Blake,
I remember the Moonball. Jeff Blake is my second favorite
Bengals player of all time. And the Steelers at that
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time were at three River Stadium. They were in the
mid nineties. They were really good. They went to the
Super Bowl that year. Bengals go there on a Thursday
night and smoked them twenty seven and nine. And that's
a Pittsburgh team that went to the Super Bowl. And
I will never forget watching Darnay Scott and Carl Pickens
catch I could look it up, but you know, like
fifty yard touchdown passes from Jeff Blake and just shutting
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that crowd up.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And then I believe the Bengals maybe won three or
four more games the rest of the season. That would
have been like late October nineteen ninety five. That's a
pleasant memory. What is not a pleasant memory is last
night in the ninth inning, Emelio Pagan giving up the
tying and winning run, and that was I think the
first real gut punch loss of twenty twenty six. Number one,
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it was a walk off loss. Number two, it was
the fourth consecutive loss. Number three. It's obviously Reds had
come out of Pittsburgh. That felt like when they had
the lead in the ninth inning, like, all right, this
is exactly what the doctor ordered coming off of what
happened in Pittsburgh. You ran Chase Petty out there last night.
Chase Petty was obviously not great, but he was good
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enough on the road with the wind blowing out against
a good offensive lineup Saya Suzuki had wanted nearly Wisconsin,
but beyond that, Chase Petty gave your team a chance
to win and stood in line to be one of
the reasons why the Reds broke their three game losing
streak to gain a game in the standings against the
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Cubs again, a night where key Brian hayes it's a
home run that felt like it was gonna be a
significant win. And I know they all count the same mathematically,
but that that felt like it was maybe gonna count
for a little bit more, and instead it felt like
a loss that counted for a little bit more. Emelio
Pagan blew the game. Emelio Pagan is a good major
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league pitcher. I know nobody wants to say that right now,
but Emelio Pagan is a good major league pitcher. He
probably just shouldn't close. I don't know about you. My
thinking has evolved about closers because I used to hear like,
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you gotta have that ninth inning mentality, or it's just
different pitching in the ninth than it is even in
a really high leverage situation in the seventh or eighth.
But nearly every person whose opinion about pitching I respect
has stated publicly it is different, whether it's the mentality,
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whatever it is, Pitching in the ninth inning is different.
Melio Pagan, I think would be fine in the seventh,
eighth and the seventh inning or the eighth inning. I
think he would be fine if he occasionally had to
pitch the ninth. It doesn't feel like on a really
good team, like he's the best option for the ninth inning. Now,
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the obvious counter to that is, well, then who should
it be? I don't know. Here's what I do know.
The Reds have been lauded for the way that they
have built up a nice accumulation of relief pitchers. Is
there not someone in their worth at least trying in
the ninth because let's admit this, when you're winning in
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the ninth inning, chances are the picture on the mountain
is going to get the last before the other team
takes the lead. So you're operating with a pretty built
in large margin for error. Why not try somebody else?
It feels like there are two types of closers in baseball.
Every closer blows a save. Obviously some blow them more
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infrequently than others. But there are closers who, when they
blow a save, it's surprising. Think of the best to
do it, Think of the best the Reds have had
to do it. When they blow a save, it's pretty surprising.
Didn't see that coming. Then there are closers who, when
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they blow a save, you just kind of go, yep,
about what I expected. Most of the time, Emilio Pagan
gets the last three outs most of the time. Most
closers get the last three outs. What you should be
looking for as a closer who when he does blow
a save, it's a shot, or it's at least a
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mild surprise because he's that damn reliable. It sounds like
we're picking on it because of one bad outing, and
maybe there's something to that, because emotionally, last night felt
like more of a gut punch than any other game
the Reds have lost this season. But be honest with me,
man okay, and I like Himily Amelia Pagan has been
(08:21):
in this studio with me. He is a wonderful dude,
like one of my favorite contemporary Reds that we've ever
had on the show. Self effacing and funny and reflective
and honest and engaging, like as a dude. Love him,
love him. We've had him on this show each of
the last two winters in studio for like a half hour.
(08:42):
Fun guy to talk to, easy guy to root for,
a guy that you should want to be a part
of the team. But do you want him pitching at
a ninth inning when the Reds have a lead, a
tight lead, not a four run lead, hell, not a
three run lead, one run game, Amelia Pegan comes out,
he may get the last three outs and the odds
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are in his favor because it's baseball that he's going
to get the last three outs and he's gonna pick
up the save, which is mostly a meaningless statistic, But
do you feel confident if the answer is yes, by
all means make the case that he should continue to
be the closer. If the answer is no, and you
acknowledge they have some good relievers, is there any harm
(09:27):
in letting somebody else be the guy, at least temporarily.
I know I don't feel the way Terry Francona does.
You're gonna hear him on a number of different topics
in just a few minutes, and he may pitch tonight,
He may get the save, he may get the three
(09:47):
outs before the Cubs tie the game. All is well
and Emilio keeps his job and we don't talk about him.
I can't speak for anybody else. I can't speak to
anybody else who does a talk show or a podcast
or has an out let. But in the year plus
that he has been the closer, this is the first
time we've made him a topic. Because unreliability accumulates over time.
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If you're late to work once, you're not unreliable. If
you're late to work like four times in a month
and a half, you're unreliable. Emilio Pagan feels unreliable, and
when he blew the save last night. You may have
been angry, you may have been pissed, you may have
been frustrated. Chances are you weren't stunned, were you. Five
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Brendman and Jones and Baseball coming up later on this hour.
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Earlier today, Buster Rolie had on his podcast, the Baseball
Tonight podcast Reds manager Terry Francona. Some call him Tito.
Tito and Buster are talking ball. That's really what this name,
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the name of this podcast should have been. So here
is Tito answering the question about what he has seen
from Elie de la Cruz so far this season.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know, like young good players with repetition, you know what,
the five six hundred that bats, they get better. And
his game is maturing and he's been really consistent, you know,
like defensively, he's moving his feet every play just most
of the time. You know, he has the ability to
(14:03):
make the spectacular play that we see a bunch, but
he's making the routine play.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
His throws have been.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
On the money so consistently this year, and that's been
really good because we have to be good defensively. We
have to play clean baseball. Our starting pitchers. We don't
strike guys out like you know, like maybe some of
these other teams. Doesn't mean they're not good pitchers, just
we pitched the contact so we better catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And so far, for the most part, Dan Myers kind
of stepped weirdly on the warning track last night and
that ball hit to right field, and some blame the
IVY balls hit really hard. I think you could argue
the play could have been made. Dan Myers is typically
very good in the outfield. He was not on that
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play last night. So there are exceptions to the rule,
but the rule for much of the season has been
that the Reds have done a good job of catching
and throwing the baseball. We have folks waiting five point
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty Phil, you're on ESPN
fifteen thirty Pel, Good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm great.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
No, I just got through sitting in northern Kentucky's biggest
parking love coast of training.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Good congratula, congratulations, I've I've I've sat in that parking
lot many times.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Indeed, indeed, first of all, I feel better about Meleio
Pigan if his backless baseball card didn't show you that
every other year he's pretty good and then the other
year he's and so like he's kind of due for
Russian this year. So I think you should have a
short leaseh Yes, they do.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's a it's interesting even at his best last season,
hey had good year. He had a good year last year,
But even at his best, you sort of thought he's
best cast as something that's not a closer. Even when
he was at his best, I think if you ask
most folks who follow this team, they would have said, man,
it would be awesome if they had a Meliopagan on
the twenty twenty sixteen, but not as the closer. That
(16:08):
was when he was having a good year. Now he's not.
So you can't help it say the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
The real reason I called, though, is I understand that
you think that you have a dilemma, which is his
taco Tuesday. Yeah, but it's meat loaf night.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yes, it is meat loaf. It's left over meatloaf night.
My wife last night made a great meat loaf. And
there's either good meat loaf or bad meat loaf. There's
nothing in the middle. Last night's meat loaf really good.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
All right, no real quick question.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
What's better?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
The first eu a meatloaf or a leftover meatloaf.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Sandwich, And a meatloaf sandwich is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So here's the thing. Taco Knights not done. Ooh done.
You have suso at home?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We do meat loaft talkers, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
We have cheese, yeah, you got you got hot sauce,
We got hots, We.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Have taco seasoning. I just bought some on Saturday, my gun.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I give you some flower tortillas on the way. Howme,
you're done? Taco too, stays still alive. You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Phil I'm I'm jotting this down so I could text
my wife during the break to say, meat loaf, tacos,
question mark, exclamation mark, that's what I'm gonna do. Excellent, Phil,
Thank you very much. This is this is good. This,
this is this is the sort of hard hitting sports
talk that I like. Yeah, she reminded me last night
(17:32):
after I said, man, this meat loaf is the best
I've ever had. There's a good meat loafer that my
grandma made the best meat loaf. And beyond that, like
my dad made a good meat loaf. A lot of
people like you go to a restaurant, get meat, get
meat loaf. You have you have no idea what you're getting.
There's good meat loaf there, there's no average meat loaf.
Wife makes it. It's killer. We could stuff that in
(17:53):
the taco shell tonight so it could be Taco Tuesday. Terran,
you might have had the correct premonition, Josh and Tennessee,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Heymo, thanks to say my call.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You saw my thunder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But Myers absolutely should cough that ball. And I know
Fred Will gets the beat up a lot, but there
is no doubt in my mind, Fradle catches that ball.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You know the player earlier. I think he's in the
seventh inning where Myers almost screwed that up between him
and the left fielder.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I really and I think if you asked Myers if
he was honestly say yeah, I absolutely should have caught
that ball.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
He catches that ball. It's a three up, three down inning,
and we're not even having this discussion.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Maybe ball was still really well hit, and you may
be very very correct, And the sad thing is we're
never going to know. And I'm with you and that
I felt like it was a catchable ball. I felt
like it was a more catchable ball than when I
saw it in real time, because you saw the weird
steps and I think Tito even talked about this after
the games. He sort of stepped weird on the warning
track and didn't necessarily take the correct route to the ball.
(18:58):
And so I'm inclined to believe that that play should
be made. But fine, go ahead. I'm sorry ourself. Our
phone service is stuck in the nineteen fifties. I didn't
hear what you said. Will you repeat that for me?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Are you with me that that Freda absolutely catches that ball.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Probably, Yeah, the Dave Meyer's a good defensive center fielder,
then you know, I mean, i'd guess that Friedol catches it.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
By the way, it's worth mentioning on the the on
the Nico Herner sacrifice fly, JJ Blede made a hell
of a throw. But like all of all of that said,
then recovering, don't give up a walk off bomb to
Michael Conforto, thank you. I mean, like multiple things can
be true. Ball was hit really hard. Wasn't the easiest play.
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I'll say that Friedo would have made the play. I
think Myers probably should have. But all right, it happened.
Don't give up the walk off bomb. Like, don't give
up the wa talk off bomb. There is a lack
of reliability, and Emeliopagan is not a bad picture Meliopagan.
(20:12):
If Threads have success this season, emeli Opagon is going
to have something to say about it. I just you
wish you had a closer who you felt better about
when he's out there. You wish you had a closer
who when he does blow the game, you're surprised because
he's otherwise very reliable. I think Emeliopegan is that. Let's
(20:36):
be honest, man, he had a good year last year
and he was thrust into a role that many of
us were not sure he should be in. But when
Emeliopagan comes out of the ninth inning, tell me you
feel comfortable. If you do, I don't, and I think
(20:56):
most most feel the way I do when he comes
out to protect a one run lead in the ninth inning.
And look, if he gets an opportunity tonight, I hope
he gets it done. That'd be great. But if it's
a four to three game in the ninth inning tonight,
Reds are trying to put away a four game losing streak.
If Amelia Pagan is summoned to get the last three outs,
(21:20):
there's always some unease because the ninth inning is nerve
wracking and a one run lead is the smallest possible margin.
But you're gonna feel even more unease because it's Amelia Pagan.
Uh Brendan Soresby is luring up, lawyering up, as they
say in the English language. Our lawyer are sports legal
(21:44):
expert Attorney Stewart W. Penrose will discuss the former UC
quarterbacks legal options.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from the ESPN FW
fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Brendman and Jones on Baseball is about fifteen minutes away.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moegar. Thank you for listening.
On Tuesdays, we talked with our sports legal expert from
the Manilo log Group, attorney Stewart W. Penrose, and he
joined us last week and it was the day after
the Brendan Sorsby story had broken. Yesterday we found out
(22:24):
that Soresby has hired a high profile attorney in an
effort to, I guess, maintain his eligibility. And so we
had more questions and Stewart is here. Good afternoon, sir.
How are you. I'm doing I'm doing well. So let's
talk Brendan Sowersby. He has not yet been ruled ineligible.
(22:46):
Now it's fair to it's fair to conclude that there's
at least a very good chance that he is ultimately
declared ineligible to play college football. Would him hiring this
high profile attorney suggest that he spects to be to
be declared ineligible?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yes, absolutely, in very very high probability he's going to
be deemed in eligible. He's smart to get ahead of
it right now. You know, this attorney's very experienced and
working in these matters and you know, working for athletes,
and you know, we'll see what happens here, but certainly
he's trying to get ahead, if not to you know,
potentially beat the charge, to stay eligible, at least to
(23:27):
have a mitigating factors that a lawyer present mid mitigating
fact for him that could potentially lessen his punishments. But
you know, if the accusations you know that he bet
on you know, certainly on college football games while he
was a player Indiana, if those are shown to be true, yeah,
he's going to be deemed in eligible now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So like it seems like this would then be pretty
black and white, like he if he wagered on sports
that he's not allowed to weigh raw on, including games
that his team is participating in, he's ineligible. So based
on that, what possibly could his case be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, at that point, it's about mitigation. It's about what,
you know, what factors can bring down his punishments and
you know, soften you know, some culpability. You know, it's
a line that I've used in Quart a million times more.
Judge is not an excuse, but it is an explanation,
you know the fact that he's going to get treatment
(24:20):
right now for a gambling addiction. I have no idea
if this lawyer is going to contest some of the
ways that press the INNC Toblaz found evidence and you know,
see if there's any violations there. Who knows, but certainly
it seemed like this would be more for mitigation, and
you know, softening the aura around absorbs me.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Right now, there's the eligibility question. There's questions about where
whether he would then jump to the supplemental draft that
the NFL has every summer that very few players are
ever involved in. And then I've read that possibly what
he has been doing, or what he's alleged perhaps to
be doing, is going to gain the attention of the FBI.
Why and how might this play out?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, we'll see what happens there. I mean, it's not automatic.
I mean just just because there's an NCAA eligibility, she
doesn't necessarily mean there's criminal elements. You know, that said,
the n c double A is going to look and
see if there's sort of you know, fraud, Is there
a larger scale gambling ring that he's a part of. Them.
That about an accusation of just saying what the NCA
would look for. You know, certainly, if he indeed was
(25:24):
a player making bets on his own team's games, was
he using some sort of inside information there? I mean,
it's not just about impropriety mode, but the appearance of it.
You know, that's when the you know, that's when the
FBI would get involved.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Attorney Stewart Tubed Penrose from the Manila Lag Group is
our sports legal expert. I want to ask you about this.
The Big Twelve is entering an agreement. And I always
sort of glaze over whenever I read about private equity
firms because I'm not exactly sure what they do. But
the Big Twelve is going to enter a private equity agreement.
(25:59):
So I understand, like there's the financial part of this,
but I also gather there's legal questions that hover over
the member institutions of the Big Twelve, including obviously the
University of Cincinnati. What are some of the legal questions
for those schools?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sure? I mean, it's essentially what you have when you uh,
when you sign into equity private equity, is that you're trading,
you know, an influx of cash, cash infusion for control
and who is going to be making some of these
decisions on behalf of these conferences?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
UH?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Is it going to be the conferences or is private X?
What are you going to have the bigger say, you know,
in terms of TV deals, in terms of scheduling, UH,
confer truss, you name it. You know you've now allowed
private equity into the room. And you know certainly there's
pluses with that, you know, especially for a conference like
the Big twelve that you know is trying to stay
financially relevant with the UH, with the Big ten and
(26:53):
the SEC. But but yes, you've invited you know a
third party is in there that you know how to control,
how to stay what control will they have?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All Right, one more to ask you about. So Pittsburgh
Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf last year during a game
against the Lines at Ford Field, there was this altercation
with a fan and I had totally forgotten about this
until I saw that prosecutors have said that no charges
are going to be filed against DK Metcalf for this
(27:25):
altercation that ultimately led to him getting a two game suspension.
I understand why he got suspended. I think most of
us who have any common sense would agree that he
should face some action from the league if he engages
in something like this with a fan. But the criminal
case seemed flimsy. I kind of feel like the fan
involves civil case seems flimsy. What say you?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It certainly appears appears to me when you look at
what happens that's said. I mean, just because a criminal
case failed or is not brought forward, cases are a
lower burden to proof. You know, it's just preponderance of
the evidence. And if you know, as the plane, if
you've got to preserve prove something is more likely than
not to have been the case instead of beyond a
(28:11):
reasonable doubt. But yet it doesn't seem like a whole
heck of a lot happened to the span at the
you know, at the end of the day, here mo,
what is the fan's actual damages? Who knows? And you know,
I understand what metcalf is saying in terms of what
this fan may have sent him. It sounds like they're
real there could have been a racial slur used, and
he's filed a counter plan against the fan. I mean,
(28:32):
my understanding is that he is that by having that
two game suspension he lost out on, you know, potential
bonuses worth millions as well. So so certainly he's had
a you know, a far reaching effect, you know, over
this ordeal. But yes, it seems the fan's got a
very upfill battle to prove his case.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, certainly seems like an attorney's store. Wed Penrose from
the Manilo Law Group. I plan on not getting into
any altercations with any NFL players, But if I do,
and if I need an attorney, could the Manila Law
Group help me?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, you could speak to my colleague rop Heel. It
could certainly help you if if you try and assault
an NFL player, which I recommend that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
You don't do.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
All right, what else can you tell us about the
Manila Law Group.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, well I can tell you right now. I'm looking
out the window in my office. Moment's rain. The roads
are not particularly safe out there. You need to be
very careful when you're on the road, and if somebody
hits you, I want you to call me at the
Manila Law Group at five one three seven. Be careful
on the road, and when others aren't and they cause
your injury, give us a call to the Manila Law Group.
(29:37):
We can help you out.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's my guy, Attorney Stewart W. Penrose, Manila Law Group
five one three seven two three sixteen hundred. We'll we'll
do it again next week. Man, thanks so much, Thank you, Bob.
That's our guy. He's our legal expert sports legal expert,
Attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the Manilo Law Group. Tearing
When our phone makes that weird like farting noise, is
that going out over the air f in the year
(30:04):
twenty twenty six using we're using landlines? Correct? Yes? Why
do our phones sound like that? I was just watching
the the Artemis Mission crew on the Today Show the
other day and they were showing some of the communication
that they had with Earth millions of miles away. Stuart's
(30:27):
office is like ten minutes from here, and we can't
make a phone call without there being static on the phone.
And that's that's on our end because I heard it
with the caller we took before we had Stewart on supports.
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(30:49):
been putting putting phone calls on the air for like
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on the air, and we somehow have quite figured out
how to do that without there being some complication. Reds
and Cubs again tonight at Wrigley Field. By the way,
Wrigley Field is awesome. Okay, want some sports journalists tay
(31:12):
that Wrigley Field stinks. Wrigley Field is awesome? Maybe not?
The press box have no idea wriggly Field is awesome.
Would be awesome if the Reds could break their four
game losing street tonight, Cincinnati will send to the Hill
Andrew Abbott against Jamison tie on seven forty tonight's first
pitch on a seven hundred WLW want me to give
(31:32):
you the Red starting lineup? I will I can uh
Fried ol Bla Day de La Cruz, Stuart Lowe, Steer,
Stevenson catches McLean is back in the lineup. He is
playing second base and betting eighth key. Brian Hayes, who
homered last night, bets ninth. By the way, we need
to issue a congratulations to the Xavier men's golf team
(31:55):
win the biggiest Championship yesterday afternoon. Freshman Case Morgan from
elder A under par sixty four in the final round,
tied for the lowest single round score in tournament history.
Congratulations to him. Congratulations to the Xavier Golfing.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Uh oh.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I got a couple of housekeeping items here. One. We
don't have enough meat loaf for tacos, I'm told, so
plan B. Also, my phone went off early in the show.
I usually the very first thing I do when I
(32:32):
come in for quick hits is I turn my ringer off.
Because I'm a broadcasting professional. Occasionally I will forget at
a few minutes after three o'clock when the show began,
I got a phone call from my mom. And my
mom lives in Nevada, so maybe she lost track of
time and didn't realize it was three o'clock on the
East coast, and that you know, I was going to
(32:55):
be unavailable. But I've had three people reach out that
want to know what my ring tone is. So my ringtone, No,
that's that's the that's the end of it thing. And
I'm gonna do this again. I will play because this
is a sports connection. Now there's bonus points if anybody
(33:19):
knows what that ringtone is. That is the CBS NBA
on CBS theme from the nineteen eighties. Dn't Dun't dudn't
dun anyway? That one nostalgia. Yeah, it's the it's the
greatest TV sports theme song of all time. Yes, better
(33:40):
than the NBA on NBC theme. Like every time my
phone rings, I could hear Brent Musburger like narrating the
voiceover for like Celtics Lakers or uh Lakers Pistons, that
sort of thing. So there's the ringtone. Yes, I'm that dorky.
The NBA on CBS theme is my ringtone. So there's
(34:00):
a couple of very important sports nuggets. We'll see if
we can fix the phones. And I've got really bad
news as it relates to sALS Stewart and I want
to take you back five years ago to right now,
five years ago. But we'll do all that out for
Brendaan and Jones on.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
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