5-6-26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And uh, maybe we could buy a Milio Pagan a
new hamstring. And I'm not trying to make light of that,
because that injury sucked last night. What's up, Mueger, that's me.
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the show yesterday that the Reds game on Monday night

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was the biggest gut punch loss of the season. Twenty
four hours later, last night's game, said to Monday night's game, quote,
hold my beer. There is a lot to last night's
game to discuss, a lot to deconstruct, some stuff to
debate perhaps, and we're gonna do it all. We've got

(01:07):
some some Bengal stuff to get to a little bit
later on FC Cincinnati as well. Sports and Business with
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sports that in ninety minutes. Let's start with the bottom
of the tenth inning last night, as heard on the
Reds Radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
The one to zero pitch swing on the ground, ball
up the middle, Ellie Well, that gets buy him.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It rolls into center. They'll wave the run around. Here
comes Myers grow not in time, comes win, Tommy thrawl
Red's Radio Network and seven hundred a WLW last night.
It's being called an error by us. It was not
officially scored an error. It was a hit regardless. The
outcome was the same, the game winning runs scored for

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the Chicago Cubs. And on a costly night because of
them Lepegun injury and a frustrating night because of the
Reds lack of offense, and a discouraging night because of
what they wasted from guys like Andrew Abbott. The Reds
lose again. They have equaled their longest losing streak from
last year, another one run loss. Those are slowly starting

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to pile at a three to two final last night
at Wrigley Field. Frustrating night, sobering night, bad night. Let's
talk about I'll call it an error even if the
official score didn't there's a handful of possible outcomes on
that ball. There's Ellie fielding it cleanly, and it took

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a tough hop on him. I think we'll acknowledge that,
but there's still the potential. He's right there. He could
feel that ball cleanly, throw the ball to first for
the out. Cubs have the winning run on third base.
Your backs are still against the wall, but the game
is not over. I'm not sure that he could have
thrown the guy out at third base, but I guess

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you could argue, maybe throw the ball to third, but
field the ball cleanly and the game continues. You could
also field the ball not quite cleanly, maybe try to
throw to first base runner could be safe, less than ideal.
Now you have a guy to third, nobody out, but
the game is not over. You can you can be

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like a hockey goalie and just knock it down, keep
it in front of you, don't let it score it away.
No throw you eat it again. Run around third, nobody out,
Run around first for what it's worth. Nobody out, but
at least the game is not over. Or you can
let that ball eat you alive, and you can watch

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it scored away and the game can end and you're
walking off the field and the Chicago Cubs are celebrating
a walk off victory. Unfortunately, that's what happened. Elie Dela
Cruz this season has played a good shortstop, really good
short stop. In fact, on the TV broadcast last night,
John Sadak and Jeff Brantley, we're talking about how metrics

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don't tell the entire story about how good Ellie has
been at short He has not been flawless. Made a
big air in a home game earlier this season, I
think against the San Francisco Giants, But for the most part,
he's made the spectacular play. He has made the routine play.
All of those things can be true, and this could

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also be true. Errors do happen, But in that moment
right there, I know it wasn't scored an air in
that moment right there, Well, you've got to keep the
ball in front of you, man, Like I don't care
if it's year four is a big leaguer or if
it's year four playing a pony league ball like that's
you might not be able to feel that cleanly. It's

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I would stop short of calling that routine, but come on, man,
it was hit like pretty much right to you, even
with a weird kind of hop like, you can't let
that ball scored away. You cannot let that ball scored away.
And this situation does matter. It's obviously magnified because of
the circumstances. Bottom of the tenth inning as opposed to
bottom of the second inning, runner in scoring position versus

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base is empty. Like, the circumstances magnify things. But that's
how sports work, it's how baseball works, it's how life works.
Circumstances magnify things. In that moment, you cannot let the
game end on a ball that's hit to you. You can't.
You might not even record the out, but you can't

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let the game. And Ellie, so you could hear the
frustration in my voice, I would imagine it mirrors the
frustration you felt last night, not just over the play,
but the five consecutive losses, the wasted opportunities, the bullpen

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issues that have suddenly exploded. And that doesn't even account
for Amelio Pegan suffering what I fear is a really
bad hamstring injury. But dude, Ellie, you got to make
that play. You could say that, and you could acknowledge that,
and you could express any amount of frustration you wish.

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I have a phone line for he at five point
three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. Now take a deep breath.
Let's make this just about Ellie. If you have watched
this season, he has shown market improvement at shortstop. He
might not be a finished product. Maybe there's a long
stretch and we've seen it before where he makes a

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bunch of errors. Last year was the first time that
I thought it. I thought it made sense to have
the conversation about eventually moving him to centerfield. But I
don't believe you can let one misplay undo. You know
how you fell it over the course of the first
whatever it's been first six weeks watching a play shortstop.

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We're big picture. There has been improvement. He's been more reliable.
And if we're gonna do the center field thing, and
I'm not convinced we should. But if we're gonna do
the center field thing, that's not happening right now, and
nor should it. It doesn't do anybody any good to
shoehorn the guy into a position he has never played.

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Pirates have tried it with O'Neill. Cruz never watched that
dude play center field. It's an adventure. This team has
enough issues that you don't need to add to it,
taking a mostly good defensive shortstop and throwing him out
there at a position that he's never played before as
a professional. So if that's the instant reaction from you,

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I can't help you there, because I don't know how
that makes sense. Could we get to a point like
last season where it's like, dude, the errors don't stop.
Big picture, man, they got to find spots for Edwin
Arroyo among others, and maybe over the course of an
offseason in spring training it makes sense to give him
some reps in center field and we could get there.

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We're not there yet, are we. It's room for multiple truths.
Say that on this show all the time. Ellie has
played a better shortstop. But the Ellie that has played
a better shortstop's got to make that play. And the
fact that he didn't look. There's a lot of things
that went into that game. Tony Santion giving up a
homer to tie the game, the Pecan injury, Ellie not

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getting a hit in the top of the tenth inning,
the Reds offense continuing to be just maddening, wasting a
good pitching performance from Andrew Abbott. There's lots there. The
Reds lost that game because they only score it twice,
which isn't enough most nights, probably not gonna be enough
against a good offensive team like the Chicago Cups. But
sure the Ellie air like, dude, you've got to make

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that play. A good shortstop makes that play. I think
what made last night stand out is this year Ellie
has been a good shortstop just because last night happened.
I'm not dissuaded from saying that you shouldn't be either.

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Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty is our number.
Eight sixty six seven oh two three seven seven six
works as well. The Emelio Pagan injury and a lot
of folks made this comparison. I remember when Tom Browning
got hurt, an injury that kind of effectively ended his career,
and he looked like on the mound that day like
he had just been shot. Dave Draveki with an arm injury,

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and you know, he had cancer and his arm ended
up getting amputated, And last night evoked memories of that,
and hopefully on a much much, much, much much more
benign level. But it was tough to watch and I
know there's frustration with Emilio Pagan. We talked about him
a ton yesterday. He's not reliable as a closer. But

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two things here. One, he's a quality big league pitcher.
If you don't want Amelio Pagan on the team, cool,
who else you got? Number Two? Come on, man, be
a human being.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Here.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
A dude's laying in the middle of the field in
a great amount of pain. He coughs up the game
the night before, and now he's in pain, and I'm
sure dealing with the uncertainty that comes with that sort
of pain, Like, if you're a human being, how do
you not feel for the dude? And so first and
foremost you hope that Emilio Pagan is okay. It is

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fear to wonder, like all right now, Tony Santian, I
guess is going to be the closer. This bullpen, which
was really good for a stretch, has developed some leaks
that's not great, Like there's a lot there, there's a
lot there, but unfortunately it seems almost on brand. I

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guess for there to be an air of mystery about
our Reds player suffering an injury that may or may
not have been something that the player was dealing with
before he actually suffered the injury. Did the broadcasters know
something that Tito Francona didn't. We'll try to get to

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We'll take some phone calls here in uh in just
a bit. The Emilio Pagon injury deeply unfortunate. I don't

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know that I've seen many baseball players get carted off.
I'm no doctor, don't pretend to be one. Not going
to try to diagnose from a barstool. But knowing what
you knew about Emilio Pegan, that he tweaked his hamstring
a little bit. If you remember in that game where
he throws the last pitch of the game and he
sort of comes off the mound a little little weird.

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If that's the correct way to put it, little janky,
so to speak, and we thought like, all right, yeah,
there could be a little bit of a problem here,
and it felt like the Reds dodged bullet. He has
had his struggles on the mound ever since then are
those struggles related to any hamstring issue? I have no
idea was he dealing with soreness? Like the person to
talk about this ultimately is going to be a Melio Pagan.

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But watching it, like you see you watch enough sports,
you see players suffer hamstring injuries. There aren't a ton
like that kind of reminded me of in two thousand
and two and Ken Griffey Junior went down between third
base and home with a severe, severe hamstring injury and
help But wonder like was this a tear more than

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a strain, more than a pull? Don't know. Felt really
bad for Amelio Pagan last night, And you could acknowledge
two things. A as a closer, not a lot of reliability,
be human being, doesn't help anybody. For him to get hurt,
doesn't help this team. For him to be hurt. But

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at times with the Reds, it feels like there's a
little miscommunication or not everybody on the same page when
it comes to an injury or maybe decisions being made
with those in the decision making capacities sort of unarmed
with all the information they need to make an inforum decision.
So you couldn't help. But wonder last night, like was

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there something sort of baked in with Emelia? Was he
already dealing with hamstring soreness? Was there already an injury here?
So this is as it happened. This is the TV
broadcast Red's TV last night. You'll hear the voices of
John Saidak, Jeff Brantley, and Jim Day talking about Emelio
Pagan and the injury that he suffered in the ninth

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inning last night.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Lewis say, for a third time yesterday, he is blown
his last two tries. This is a tie, huh huh,
and he has hurt on the first pitch, hobbled clutching
at his hamstring.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
He had a hamstring injury.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It was framed more as a slight tweak a few
weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
But this is not a good sign at all.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, he just collapsed down and his hand immediately
grabbed at the back of his leg. Yeah, that hamstring
has been an issue for him.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
At least for the last ten days. All right, So
that's John Saidak, and that's Jeff Branley. We didn't have
the Jim Day part of that, but you heard Jeff
Brantley talk about a hamstring issue that has been problematic
for at least the last ten now when he originally
suffered that tweak that you heard John Sadak reference, I

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believe that was on April the fourteenth. April the fourteenth
was if we subtract today, that would have been sixteen.
That had been three weeks, three weeks from yesterday Jeff
Brantley talked about within ten days. Jim Day chimed in

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and Austin Elmore late last night transcribed this on social media.
He said, quote, it's his hamstring and he's been dealing
with that issue. So you walk away from listening to
Jeff and Jim in particular and maybe John, but I
think specifically the Cowboy and Jim Day. You listen to
them and you could arrive at the conclusion that Amelia

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Pegan has been taking the mound dealing with hamstring soreness,
and you could certainly wonder if there's a connection between
his recent struggle and the hamstring soreness. You see him
writhing on the ground last night in Chicago. There's clearly
an issue. Was their soreness? Was there some sort of pain?

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Was there some sort of injury that if he continued
to pitch, increase the likelihood that he was going to
ultimately deal with something more severe? Don't know. But what's
interesting about it is after the game, Tito basically said,
no idea, what anybody's talking about. Haven't heard about Emilio
Pegan suffering a hamstring tweak or dealing with pain. Here's

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the audio from last night at Wrigley Field.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
You see a scary scene there with Pegan.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
What kind of update can you give it?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean he's going to get scanned in the morning.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
I think at age fifty, we'll know a lot more
than he's certainly going to be an il We just
need to see the extent of how bad it he
did it because you could see, you know, bias reaction
that he was struggling.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
It is a left hamstring, Yeah, hamstring a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Had he been banged up since then?

Speaker 6 (17:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
He was.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Actually I just went and saw him.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
He said he hadn't felt that he said, he warmed
up fine, and he goes, I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I believe him. Hmm, okay, I don't know. I don't
know what to believe because I don't believe that the
Reds television broadcasters speak off the cuff, speak irresponsibly. We're

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talking about total pros here, and I want to believe
Emilio Pagan as well when he tells his manager like, dude,
I've been cool. I wouldn't take them out compromise, wouldn't
do that to the team, wouldn't do that to myself.
But like it's one or the other. Either he was
dealing with something or he wasn't dealing with something. If
he was dealing with something, well, the broadcasters knew, but

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the manager didn't. That might not necessarily be Terry Francona's fault.
Like maybe Emilio is telling the broadcasters like, yeah, man,
my hammy is sore, but his manager asked He's like, nah, man,
I'm cool. I don't know, but it sort of feels
like not everybody's on the same page. It is fair
to wonder, and you want to take Amelio Pegan at
his word, you do? You want to take the athlete

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at his or her word every single time. But when
you have like informed folks who are around the club
every day acknowledging like, yeah, man, this has been something
he's been dealing with. As you're watching him lie on
the ground in pain, how do you not wonder, like, dude,
was he dealing with something already? Like was that thing

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that he suffered three weeks ago? Was that more severe?
Was he not letting on how much pain he was in?
And then you look at the recent performances he has struggled,
so like, Emilio, were you really dealing with pain? If
the answer is yes, don't lie to your manager. I'm
not accusing him of doing so. It's just like, how

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do how do you not wonder? Should should? Should he
have perhaps disclosed to people in important decision making capacity, like, hey,
dealing with something here might not make sense for me
to be on the active roster, might not make sense
for me to take the ball every time we have
a lead in the ninth inning.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Like it.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
It feels like there's different accounts, including from Amelio Pagan,
about what he may have been dealing with prior to
him suffering the injury last night. And I don't do
this to point fingers at anybody, because I don't know,
but you're hearing different accounts. It's very different if it's

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you know, some rando on like me saying, well, Amelio
Pagan's been dealing with hamstring soreness, it's something else entirely.
When it's broadcasters who are as embedded with the team
as anybody, you'll find those guys maybe operating with the
assumption that Amelio is struggling physically, Amelio telling his manager

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I've been cool. Maybe his manager trying to cover for
I don't know. I don't know, but it feels like
there have been occasions where there's an unfortunate injury, and
what matters most here is Amelio Pagan's health, how the
Reds fill his spot on the team, because he is
a quality pitcher, even if he's kind of miscast as

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a closer. But it is I think you would admit,
at least slightly frustrating when we have these occurrences where
there's miscommunication or not everybody on the same page, or
people who have important decision making roles making decisions where

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they're not armed with the information they should have. It's weird,
It's unfortunate. More on that coming up here in just
a bit. Your phone calls coming up a little bit
later on Dax Hill has a home on the outside,
should he move inside. We've got to spend some time
on that. And look, man, you could beat up Elliela Cruz,
could beat up Bullpen, can beat up Emilio Pegan. This

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Rose Marie Moring, how are we doing good. How are
you you look surprised?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I was.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I am happy summer concert season.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
Yes, it's going to be a busy one, A lot.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Lot's going on.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
What's going on?

Speaker 9 (24:24):
Yes, yeah, they keep just every time I think we're done,
they just keep adding more.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
But they call that job security, right, Yes, yes, that's
what they tell me.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
More shows and more places to house shows.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
Yes, yes, I mean nobody can complain that there's nothing
to do this summer. No, no, I mean they could,
but yeah, but will But I'm not.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I'm not. And you guys have I mean beyond like
you know, the concerts coming. You guys have a lot
going on there in the East Side.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
We do, we are.

Speaker 9 (24:53):
Yeah, we're building a whole one hundred and sixty million dollar,
brand spanking new amphith Theata for everyone to enjoy next year.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
And then we're.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
Celebrating forty two years of River Bend. This will be
the final full season at River Bend Music Center. I
know a lot of people have a lot of good
memories and have seen a lot of cool people there
over the years.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
There's been a lot of great shows that I'm told
I had a really good time at.

Speaker 8 (25:17):
Yes, I think that's a common feeling.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah. Now the new place, I mean, you're gonna have
to book like an A lister.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Well, I mean did you have someone in mind?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yes, and we could talk about that, but yes, I
sort of do.

Speaker 9 (25:33):
I think it's going to be a lot of A listers.
So yeah, you know, you know how it is when
you if you build it, they will come. So we're
going to have the shiny new toy in the country
and it's going to be state of the art, So
it's going to be built for the artist and fan experience.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
So nah wait, I think you're gonna really like it.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
All right, that's down the road. Let's talk about this year. Yes,
all right. Now, give me like three or four shows
that stand out to you where it's like, you know what,
this person or this band, this act has played Riverbend before,
but they haven't been here in a while, or maybe
this is their first time.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
So there's two acts we just actually announced the past
couple of weeks, Muse and then the Strokes. Now Strokes,
I don't think I've toured ever over a long time. Yeah,
for a very long time, almost a decade, I want
to say. Then we have John Mellencamp, which I know
is an oldie, but goodie, we're hearing that this might
be his final tour.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
You might hang it up.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
He hasn't said that, but rumors are. And he's doing
all the hits, which he hasn't done.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
That's the thing.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
Yeah, I know people have been upset that have gone
to his concerts in the past. They want to hear
the hits Jack and Diane, and he has guaranteed that
he will sing them all.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
He's feeling nostalgic this go around.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
He definitely is good.

Speaker 9 (26:48):
But then we have TLC and Salt and Peppa, right,
I mean another one. They've never toured together really, which
I was surprised to know that too. And then of
course we always have one band that said farewell. And
then they decided to come back to Motley. Crue is
back on the road after I think they signed a
contract in Blood ten years ago or something swearing that

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that was going to be it.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
But they're back.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
But like, what else are those guys gonna do?

Speaker 8 (27:16):
This is true?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right?

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well what also those guys they hang it up? And
then it's like they don't strike me as golfers, no,
you know, so like what else is there for those
guys to do?

Speaker 8 (27:25):
And I'm sure they have a lot of divorces to
pay for.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
No question about it. Which band had the most farewell tours?

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Oh? God, kiss kiss?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
No?

Speaker 10 (27:33):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
I thought you were asking no, No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I don't know. Factually, I want.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
To say it has to be kissed.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
They started saying goodbye when I was in college, right,
and that was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I feel like the Eagles, they've had a few, but
different versions of them, yeah, passages of band members.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
But I agree.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I know they're they're playing, they're playing the spear and
all that, but like I feel like they've they've had
a few farewell tours.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
Yes, I think there's a lot of Leonard Skinnid said
farewell and they're back this year Feigner, so that's going
to be a good dynamic duo. And then the country
this year too. We got Tim McGraw who hasn't played
the marketing in a few years. So Jason al Dean,
Brookston Dunn. I'm going to go out on a limb
and say I think this might be their final tour

(28:15):
as well, So I encourage everyone to get tickets to
see those people that they want to see life is short,
buy the tickets.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And not hanging it up anytime soon, at least I
hope not. Darius Rucker.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
No, And you know what I will say. I know
you're a fan of his.

Speaker 9 (28:30):
He is one of those oddists that sounds better live
than he does when you hear on the radio. And
it's just such a fun concert. You know the words
to all his songs. Everyone's in a good mood. I
think that's like one to see the summer.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Here's what I like about him. I've seen Darius as
Darius Rucker and he'll play some Hoodie. I've seen Darius
as part of Hoody two years ago at Riverbend, he
played a Darius song. So like, yeah, he understands, like
there's some folks who maybe they know me as you know,
the guy from Hoodie. I'll throw him boner two. And
then if he's you know, with Hooty and the Blowfish,
I'll go like, there's some folks here like my country stuff.

(29:05):
These guys will play that. And so it's a little bit.
And he's a big Reds fan. I'll talk about the Reds.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Oh, I didn't know he was a Redan he.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Is a big Reds fan. Hua. When they were at
Riverbend two years ago, he started talking about like sign
Ellie Dela Cruz long term. It was neat.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
Oh really, I must have not been there for that one.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I don't know, but yes, okay, yeah, big big Reds fan.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
I like that.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
We'll have to get him some red stuff then put
in his dressing room.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I'm sure he would appreciate. Okay, yeah, if he needs
somebody to deliver this stuff, I'll see if I can
help you out. Okay, go go meet Go meet Darius.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
I'll make a note of that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Now, let's let's say up Mother's Day coming up?

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yes, Mom and mom? You know, take mom to a
show at Riverbend. I've done before my mom moved. This
is what I would do. Right, And you're thinking, like,
there's a show mom would love? Which which ones stand out?

Speaker 9 (29:46):
So I think Rod Stewart is a the moms love
Rod studient.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
This is great because he was supposed to play in
Cincinnati last.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
Year with Billy Jewel. Billy Jewel got six. He's coming back.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
I think another good one would be Sarah McLaughlin at
can See Pavilion. That's going to be a good show. Also,
I'm looking at my list pit Bull.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, see, I have an odd relationship with Pitbull.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
You do.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's my least favorite artists of all time?

Speaker 8 (30:21):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Why?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I don't know. My producer, Tarren Bland knows he's not
allowed to play pitch. So here's this is your chance
to tell me why someone like myself should come see
pit Bull. I had to be authentic. I couldn't pretend like, oh, yeah,
that's in September, I'll be there.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Okay, So this is what he's been I think the
year before last and then two years prior to that.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
They've sold out both times.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
And everyone who goes to that show says that it's
another like people bring their kids to.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
That show pit Bull.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
Yes, it's like you know, there's no vulgar language everything.
It's just a very uplifting fun you just it's a.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
Good vibe that's wholesome.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
It is wholesome, yes, And he's just such high energy
and positive messages and everything. I think that everyone who
goes just has a really good time and that's going
to sell out.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well it is okay, very good. All right, Well I'll
see if I can squeeze in and maybe go see
go see Pitbulls.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
I'll save ticket.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'll say this, I have never been a huge Rod Stewart.
Fany you guys had him in? Was the year my
daughter was born? Seventeen?

Speaker 8 (31:27):
Is that one was with Cindy Lauper.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yes, that was awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. And I
wouldn't say when kicking and screaming, but it's like, yeah,
it's in. I'll go it's Rod Stewart, not a huge fan.
And then like I knew every song.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
Yeah, and you know what another show like that is Train.
Oh yeah, they're really great live. You know the words
to all their songs. I feel like people don't realize
how many hits that they actually have.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
So that's another good one to take mom too as well.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Right, very good. So when does the River Bend schedule begin?

Speaker 8 (31:57):
It this well?

Speaker 9 (31:59):
May sixteen, Saturday May sixteen, Kid Cuddy.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, and then Joe Burrow's favorite.

Speaker 8 (32:04):
Yes, I yeah, Oh did you want to call him
and see if he wants to go to the concert?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
If Joe would like to hang out with me, that'd
be funky, that'd be a good time. That is the
day of my daughter's birthday, So if he could swing
or it's her birthday party, if he could swing by
the house and then Nay and I will go to
the concert together at night.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
All right, I'll make a call see if see if.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
We can make that happen. I don't know that my
daughter would be that into kid cutty, but if he
wants to come along too, that'll be that'd be fine.

Speaker 8 (32:34):
Okay, yeah, we'll arrange that.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
What else do we need to know about Riverbend twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
Well, the box office opened this past Monday, and you
can always buy tickets with pay and pay no service
fees when paying with cash, and just two dollars per
ticket with a credit card, which is a great savings
especially these days. Box offices open Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays.
Also for people that don't know, you can get Riverbend
Music Center tickets at the Taft Theater box office as

(32:59):
well is the Andrew J.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Brady Music Center box office. But we're not done announcing shows.

Speaker 9 (33:04):
We have two big announcements tomorrow and a couple more
in the upcoming weeks.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Are you allowed to give me any hints?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay? All right, very good?

Speaker 8 (33:14):
But thanks for asking.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
When will you get around to booking the first ever
act at the new place?

Speaker 9 (33:18):
So we're in the process of doing that now, and
I don't think I actually I couldn't even guess to
say when we would be announcing it, but it's probably
going to be before the end of this year.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Okay, so will I wouldn't?

Speaker 8 (33:32):
We just have to wait with baited breath.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
This is I'll just go to riverbendot org and just
hit refresh and see if one day it pops up
exactly all right. I can't thank you enough, no, thanks
for having me. We've got the big the moor Long
contest coming up.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, and I want someone to actually have you mow
their lawn.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
No, they want me to leave their property as soon
as possible. When I show up. I mean like the
family comes out and they just look, okay, yes, how
long is he going to stay? And we take the
picture and they they could not get rid of me
quickly enough. Every year I offer to cut the grass, yes,
and every year it's I, where can you just leave?

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Didn't even give you a beer?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Some folks have given me beer. It's like, here's here's
a sick pack to go here's road. Yeah, take it,
take it home, split it with the wife. Yeah. So
but I I and what I like about it is
I bring paper tickets. Oh yes, be able to appreciate that, yes, yeah,
because you don't have those anymore. Everything's digital, everything's digital.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
So but it's it's awesome and we thank you guys
for being a part of it. We'll announce the winner
two weeks from tomorrow. Excellent, and it's going to be
it's going to be a great summer.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
Yes, it is. We look forward to seeing ya you will.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Riverbend dot org. When's Pitbull?

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Pitbull is September fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Perfect.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Get your tickets now, try to keep me away.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Riverbend dot org. Check out the full twenty twenty six
Riverbend schedule and get tickets again. It's so you can
get them online. You can also go to riverbend and
get him at the Taff Theater or the Andrew Brady
Music Center downtown. Awesome to see you, good, seeing you
as always. It's ten away from four o'clock. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
From the UC.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's what's going on in the NFL. Boy, see, now
we've opened up Pandora's box. We had rose Marie here.
Now Tarren thinks we can just play pitful all the time.
I'm gonna have to have a staff meeting.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Thanks in September.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's right, Uh pull up questions on this show. Oh yeah,
the schedule release. They have these five games. The NFL
is trying to shoehorn into another streaming deal, and if
they get around to that, they'll get around to announcing.
Because you know, here's the thing that a lot of
folks love the schedule release because they start to plan

(35:58):
their lives and they they book trips, which is becoming
increasingly difficult because airfarre is going up, and you know,
people whose entire existence doesn't revolve around football. They've got
to make plans, they've got to hire babysitters. And the
earlier you could do that, the better. But the NFL
just believes you will do whatever they say, so that

(36:19):
might announce the schedule like in August. I have I
have no idea. Speaking of the NFL, we do have
to talk about Dac Sale changing homes and not moving
to another team. We'll do that a little bit later on.
The Reds play the Cubs tonight, and so some stuff
has begun to crater. The Reds starting pitching to a

(36:40):
degree has started to creter the bullpen. There's issues like
Emilio Pagan not being available is a problem, even if
you believe, as I do, that maybe he shouldn't be
the closer. Him not being available is a problem. And
the Reds bullpen, which for the first three or four
weeks was terrific, has recently not been terrific. And so

(37:06):
when deficiencies open up elsewhere, there's an area of the
team you look at and the flaws there are exposed.
You probably know what I'm talking about, and if you don't,
I will make that make sense a little bit later
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that is thirty minutes away. Your phone calls are coming up.
The Amelio Pagan injury and the latest bullpen issues the
Reds have had, which is not confined to Amelio Pagan.
Tony Santien has slightly turned into a pumpkin. I love
how Tito used Connor Phillips last night in the sixth inning.

(38:39):
Not sure I would have brought him back out for
the seventh, but he did pitch out of trouble after
giving up a run. The bullpen was a strength. Now
it's not so much a strength, and maybe it goes
back to being a strength. And I think there's reason
to believe that some of those guys well by the
end of the season proved to have had quality seasons.
The starting pitching is in flux and there's a lot

(39:01):
to like, like Chase Burns and Andrew Abbott might not
have been awesome last night, but he didn't give up
any runs. It's kind of what you're looking for from
a guy in Andrew's position. And Nicolodola is coming back
on Friday, and that can't help but be a positive,
assuming he's able to stay away from, you know, blisters.
But the starting pitching hasn't been the strength that many

(39:26):
of us thought it would be or that the Reds
needed to be. And the bullpen is not as good
or hasn't performed as well recently as it did earlier
in the season. And Sal Stewart's bad has slowed down.
That is a guy I'm not sure who needs a
day off more the top of our ESPN Radio Update,

(39:47):
anchor or Sal Stewart. Like we talked all off season about, hey,
let's let's not run Ellie Dela Cruz into the ground.
Let's not run Sal Stewart into the ground. But like
though those guys carried the team for weeks, now with
Sal specifically, things have slowed down a bit. And so

(40:09):
then what happens is your biggest issues get exposed. Here
are the biggest issues last night in the lead off spot.
The Rats had a guy who's on base percentage this
season is two sixty seven. Not great. They used a
guy in the two hole, and JJ Bleday did go deep.

(40:31):
And JJ Bladay has has been very refreshing. I mean,
he's and his production has been badly needed. We'll see
if it's sustainable. Certainly fair to wonder if that guy
should have been on the opening day roster instead of
in Louisville. But JJ Bleday is a career two sixteen hitter.

(40:51):
Tyler Stevenson this season is batting one ninety five. I
know there are other metrics that could perhaps do a
better job of illustrating how good or not good a
hitter is, But when you're batting one ninety five, you're
batting one ninety five, man, it tells us enough. Matt
McClain gets on base less than thirty percent of the

(41:14):
time he's hitting a buck ninety nine. You've got a
guy playing third base who's such a bad hitter that
last night, Terry Francona came this close to committing what
I think is one of the cardinal sins of managing
playing for one run in a tie game in the
top of the ninth inning, and just as a brief aside, like, guy,

(41:37):
know there's folks who love bunting. Keep Brian Hayes on
the first three pitches last night squared around a bun
I'm guessing he was told to do that from the dugout.
He ran the count to two and oh he squared
around and took strike one. He ultimately struck out. When
you are the road team, you have to play for
two runs because the other team, if you score just one,

(42:00):
will begin the bottom of the inning with the tying
run on second base. And statistically that guy has a
sixty to sixty one percent chance of scoring. You have
to assume they're gonna score. It's like playing blackjack, right,
if the dealer's got eleven showing, you got to assume
the next card's gonna be a ten. It's the same thing.

(42:20):
Keep Brian Hayes is such a bad hitter at third
base that Terry Francona, a smart Hall of Fame manager, decided,
we're gonna do something we shouldn't do because this is
the only explanation. We're gonna have him square around a bunt.
These things were all true in terms of what Freedo's

(42:40):
not giving him, mcclan's not giving them a corner outfield position.
What it's not giving them catcher, third base. These things
were true when the Reds were winning, when the Reds
were leading the division, when they were, you know, beating
teams on the road, when they were winning all those
close games, when they were winning close games because they
got clutch, played clean baseball, didn't make errors, got good

(43:03):
bullpen work. These things were true, but they were sort
of hidden. They were obscured, they were masked. They were
something we didn't want to talk about. But eventually every
team has flaws. What can you do to overcome them?

(43:23):
What can you do to hide them? The way this
team is constructed, and I think you could argue the
way this team was built, meaning like this is what
they chose to do. Gotta have great starting pitching, Gotta
have high end bullpen work. Cannot shrink your margin for
error by not making plays in the field, can have

(43:45):
dudes getting picked off. Got to get the big hit late,
need Salad, hit a bunch of homers, need Eli to
be great, Need I use Haneo Suarez to hit a
bunch of home runs. By the way, didn't even put
him on the list your big offseason acquisition. Your guess
is as good as mine is to when that guy
is gonna play now is when your flaws are exposed.

(44:06):
So the question is, I guess there's a couple. One
is is the offense going to be able to pick
up the slack for everybody else? If you view the
starting pitching as in flux, or if you view it
as having underachieved relative to what the preseason expectations were, okay,

(44:27):
then somebody's got to pick up the slack. Is this offense,
as currently constructed, capable of picking up the slack?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Now?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
You may, as I to assume that Sal Stewart is
going to pick things up again, and Elie dela Cruz
is going to pick things up, and that those guys
will put up good numbers as the season moves forward.
But this was a limited offensive team when those guys
were hitting, especially Sal Stewart, who's production has slowed considerably.
Who am I supposed to believe is suddenly going to

(44:58):
start hitting? The guy who, over the final ninety games
of the season last year batt at about two thirty
TJ Friedl who's getting on base at a twenty seven
percent clip Matt McLain, who's already been moved down in
the batting order when he actually plays, whose last good
year was in twenty twenty three? Am I to believed

(45:22):
that suddenly Matt McLain is gonna start hitting? Maybe he does.
Would you bet on it? Would you bet on that happening.
Ain't gonna be Keith Ryan Hayes, I ain't gonna be Tyler Stevenson,
ain't gonna be the other catcher. JJ Bledat has been
a nice mini revelation. We'll see how prolonged his success is.

(45:48):
Nathaniel Low has been a nice pick up. And there's
a little bit of a track record there that I
think you can hang your hat on, but it's kind
of limited, like where where are we supposed to leave
the offense is going to come from? And how are
we supposed to believe that the offense is going to

(46:08):
help this team overcome some of the other issues that
have cropped up recently five point three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. And I guess the bigger question is how
much were this team's flaws masked in the first four weeks.

(46:29):
How much have they been exposed over the last two.
Let's talk to some other folks. Tim in Blue Ash,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Tim, good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I'm very good? Thanks? How are you?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I'm well?

Speaker 11 (46:44):
Man?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Oh? No, the mask. I didn't see the game last
night because I woke second shift. But I would never
make fun of somebody getting injured. But Amelio Pagan, he
reminds me of the Bengal kicker before mcspeerson bullet. You know, yeah,
you know when it's a nice, nice day outside and

(47:08):
it's a thirty five yeard field goal, ho'll kick it
right down the middle. But you know when the chips
are down and you know it's a late field goal
with fifty one fifty one yards well with him over
forty five yards, it was a venture. But yeah, you
know he shanks it, you know. And then remember Joe

(47:29):
Burrow's first game. You know they had he drove down
the field, AJ Green got the offensive past Apperance called
but whatever, he had a thirty two yard field goal
to Tyler game and like you just knew what was
going to happen. He just shanked it and then he
pulled up lame with his hand string and yeah, but uh,

(47:53):
I don't know. I just think that's the fair when
the chips are down, like you just there's no real
confidence like he's gonna lock down the game. But anyways,
and then when you look at the so I bet
I'm fandel a lot. Sorry to brand Brandon Seersby's for that,
but he h.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
The Reds have been underdogs, fuck seven straight games this
whole road trip, and like so when you do a
little research on it, you look at their lineup, half
their lineups hitting under two hundred, and it's like and
then then they it's Blade is doing okay. But you know,
you put out an outfield that Jesus just can't hit

(48:42):
your power positions at third base, he can't hit over
one point fifty. And I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
No, they have a lineup. They have a lineup filled
with guys who are either having bad seasons or frankly,
are just not very good hitters. I mean, who am
I legitimately among those guys? Am I supposed to believe
that is suddenly gonna start hitting more than they are,
are gonna start hitting at an above average rate, Like

(49:11):
you might say, well, Stevenson's gonna hit better than he
is okay? Well, how goods is good? How good's TJ.
Friedle's good? How good's Matt McClain's good. Like there's a
lot of dudes where it's like TJ. Friedel was bad
in the second half of the season last year. He's
been atrocious at the plate so far this season. Hecky
was bad in left field last night dropping a fly ball.
Matt McClain. We keep wishing for the twenty twenty three

(49:33):
version to show up, and we're a quarter of the
way through the twenty twenty sixth season. Keep Bryan Hayes
has never been a good hitter. Like, where are we
to believe the offense, the sustained offensive contributions are gonna
come from. And you know, yeah, you need you need
a three and four hitter to hit more. That's fine.
Sala Stewart's going through a slump. He should be allowed

(49:54):
to do so. And then you should have a lineup
that's good enough to pick up the slack elsewhere. It's
not capable of doing that, the feel like it's capable
of doing that.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right, But like, if you
look at Matt McClain's baseball card, like mine, couldn't it
two fifteen college like, and then he had one ninety
game stretch where Pictures really didn't know how to pitch
to him. So he did good and he gets six
free passes and we send other players down where like

(50:28):
it's just like but that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
All right, Well, thanks, thanks very Mamma. McClain's final season
at UCLA, he batted like three thirty three. But with
last year with Matt McLain, it was don't worry. Remember
this time of year we did this. We talked about
this on Monday, like, don't worry, don't't worry, mam mcclan's

(50:50):
gonna be fine, and then a never was, and then
it was well, you know he didn't play the year before, Okay,
what's what is it this year? And those excuses I
don't believe are coming from the Reds and Tito's benched him.
He's had him hit eighth in the batting order. I mean,
like they're not hitting him second. But like even if

(51:14):
you take Matt mclaan out, it's sorry. Edwin Arroyo is
gonna play now, and fine, Edwin Arroyo deserves you could argue,
deserves a call up, but oh, okay, there's just a
lot of guys like that. That was a flaw and
it was a weakness when this team was winning. But
now that some stuff has happened and it's maybe a

(51:36):
different outlook if a Uhanio Souarez is healthy but he's not.
And again, man, like, you have any idea when that
dude's gonna come back. Seventeen after four o'clock, Your phone
calls continue to be welcome at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty Brenneman and Jones on Baseball. Later on this hour,

(51:58):
DA's Hill might have to move again. He shouldn't have to.
We'll get to that next.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from the.

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Speaker 1 (52:12):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Moegger Reds starting lineup tonight
includes both Sal Stewart and Li de la Cruz, who
will play every single day no matter what. A series
of transactions, to the surprise of absolutely no one, Emilia
Pagango's on the fifteen day injured list. They are calling

(52:33):
what he is dealing with a left hamstring strain. Pierce
Johnson activated from the bereavement list, Chase Petty sent down
to Louisville, tj Antone is back from Louisville, and Brandon
Williamson has been transferred to the sixty day injured list,
so he gonna be out a while. As we say,

(52:54):
Reds and Cubs the night coming up at seven forty.
Good stuff yesterday from our guy, Paul Dane Junior on
the Bengals. We talked about Miles Murphy the fifth year
option being declined. He wrote a great piece on sort
of the mechanics of how the Dexter Lawrence trade came
to be, which was a very good read. And we

(53:15):
talked about some schedule release stuff, and we also spent
some time talking about DJ Turner and Tax Hill, and
he and I spent some time on his podcast today
talking about that as well. This is Dax Hill yesterday.
We stole this from Mike Petrelia, seventy six Ers fan
in the locker room yesterday. Dax Hill is going into
a contract season and it feels like last season for

(53:36):
the first time in his career, he found a home
on the outside as an outside corner. He's played some safety,
He's played some slot up until moving to outside corner.
Nothing really took. They put him on the outside last
year and he performed well, and by the end of
the season, I think you felt like, all right, no

(53:59):
matter what all they have to do, no matter what
else they do do on defense, they've got two outside
corners you can build around. Need more, need a nickel,
need some help at safety, obviously, need pass rush help.
Most of us thought they needed linebacker help. Bengals seemingly disagree,

(54:19):
but think of all, all of us felt like kind
of good on the outside at corner. Well, what's interesting
is with them not adding a nickel in free agency,
with them retaining Jalen Davis, and with them drafting to

(54:39):
Carrio Davis, who certainly has a lot more outside experience
than inside, it's fair to wonder is Dax Hill is
going to move to the slot. Here's Dax talking about
that incredible topic with the assembled Pro Football media yesterday.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
I think it was to that point where I could
speak up. My first two years, I didn't really have
that that stripe. I didn't have those those stripes earn.
So now I feel like I've been here, been one
of the guys that's been here. So I feel like
I can't speak up and it holds weight. Now, So
what is it.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
About outside corner for you that you want that.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
To be your spot? I mean just I mean how
well I transition to there to that spot.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I feel like once.

Speaker 10 (55:23):
You you know, you feel like you're you're growing and
uh producing. I feel like that's this guy's limit, and
you want to reach the ceiling whenever you're young. I mean,
it's going on your five and I don't want to,
you know, waste a whole lot of time, you know,
just doing some introspection. Like, I mean, time has already
flown by, so I want to make the most out

(55:44):
of it because there's not a whole lot of time left.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So I'll be Charles Parks has been a big part
of how you've grown with this organization.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
What have your conversations been like with him?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I mean, very therapeutic.

Speaker 10 (55:57):
I feel like I've grown, you know, being coach my
ham as long with other coaches, but you know, he's
really been in my corner threat the entire time. Really
one of the best for me and others I saw.
He has been great conversations on and off the field.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Right there you go. Dax Hill. Dax Hill wants to
stay on the outside now. He's also stated I'll do
what's best for the team. We stole that from Mike Petrelia.
Might go Nicks. It's a big year for him, to
last year under his current contract. Will be interesting to see,
you know, with the Miles Murphy thing, they've they've got

(56:32):
some decisions to make, and it feels like not everybody
is going to get paid and maybe Dax Hill ends
up being the odd man out and the current options
at slot right now are limited to uh Jalen Davis
if it's not Dax Hill. But to a degree from
a human perspective, you feel for the guy right like

(56:53):
he's he's had a rough go of it at safety,
he's had injuries, didn't necessarily take in the slot, and
now he he's found a home. And by the way,
at the outside, the other outside corner spot opposite DJ Turner,
he is going to be challenged. You gotta think if
you're him, like, that's where the money is and I
can make a whole lot of coin being the number
two here but being consistently challenged because they don't want

(57:16):
to throw in the direction of the top guy. Now,
maybe DJ Turner hasn't yet warranted that sort of respect.
But I think the point remains. My takeaway is this,
and you can tell me if you disagree that when
we went into the offseason, we felt like one of
the few things they could bank on, or one of
the few things they could build around, one of their
few strengths was Dax Hill and DJ Turner at outside corner. Now,

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they may not have solved all their problems, but it's
fair to believe that they have solved a lot of
their problems with what they've done in free agency, what
they did in acquiring Dexter Lawrence, and what they've done
in the draft. Isn't moving Dax Hill away from the
outside creating another problem? And if you move him to

(58:04):
a position that he wasn't as good as, and you
try to cary O Davis on the outside as a
admittedly raw rookie with immense physical tools but a lot
of technique issues that need to be sort of smoothed out,
you're you're worse at one position because of the inevitable

(58:25):
drop off from Dax to the rookie, and you're putting
Dax in a position where he's not as good as
the one that he's at right now. Or you could
keep Dax Hill where he is and just find somebody
to play slot corner. And maybe that starts with Jalen Davis.

(58:45):
Maybe that starts at the beginning of training camp, and
perhaps you blow the plan up midway through August. But
isn't moving Dax from a position that he has found
a home and proven he can play. Isn't that creating
another problem? Despite the things the Bengals have done to

(59:08):
the defense this offseason, can they really afford to create
another problem? Twenty nine at four o'clock, next hour, lur
Lindsay Apple TV on FC Cincinnati. Is the Orange and
Blower back now e Vanders playing like the best player
on the planet, and we'll talk about that coming up
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Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Taking Cincinnati brom My faith is in Brady Singer that
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I'll give you the starting lineup, but there's transactions we've
got to talk about. Freedo, Bladet de la Cruz, Stuart Lowe, Steer, Benson, Travino,
McLain uh Cincinnati to the surprise of no One, putting

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Emilio Pagan on the injured list. They call it a
left hamstring strain. Chase Petty back to Louisville, Pierce Johnson
off the bereavement list, tj Antone up from Louisville, Brandon
Williamson to the sixty day injured list with left shoulder fatigue, OUCH,
Brentiman and Jones on baseball is coming up in fifteen minutes.
But it's Wednesday. It's four thirty five. It's time for

(01:00:47):
Wise Money Sports with our guy Joe Wilson, Omegwell, Private Capital,
we talk sports and business.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
The sports Officionado, the professor, professor, you you are like
the uh. I think if the Sinado Okay, here's cigar
guy chagartte the Sinai. We should start a magazine and
distributed here among the listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
You know what, what's a good business decision in twenty
twenty is to launch a print publication.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Well that other than twenty twenty would have been good
twenty twenty six, probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Probably, probably not. I want you to help me with this.
So as a big UC fan, big UC football and
basketball fan. So the Big Twelve, of which you see
as a member, they've they've made this move where they've
brought in an outside capital firm, Redbird and Weatherford. So
it's a five year deal, an infusion of cash for
the Big Twelve. What is this going to mean for

(01:01:38):
the University of Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Well, it could mean a lot. It's gonna it's gonna
offer some options. Every option comes with the price. So
you have private equity coming in here throwing a little cabbage.
We'll talk about why here in a bit. Right, they
got to play with the big boys. It's expensive, so
it gives them an access to cabbage. The problem is
private acqua. You're probably got about a ten percent rate,

(01:02:00):
so you better make sure you understand your your rate
of return if you're going to go to that. Well,
here's what I think is interesting. They they've got a
little bit of ownership in some TV action and I
think when the current TV deal ends at about twenty
thirty one, this could get really interesting because private equity
firm that's throwing some cabbage at them also owns the TV.

(01:02:20):
So it's like a it's like a pre marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
It's like, oh, okay, who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah, I mean you got to compete against the SEC
in the Big ten, sure, right, I mean I would
say those are one and two, and the Big twelve
is expanding. We've tried some things. But yeah, it's interesting.
I mean this is tied to Paramount. I mean, could
you be watching U see games on paramount?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I'll watch UC games anywhere?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Do you have Paramount plus?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I don't what I don't you know? Man, Man, I
gotta draw the line somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You're too busy. You are the sports officionados. I just
gotta watch sports.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I got Netflix, I got Pop Prime, I got Disney,
I got Apple TV, I got Red's TV. Now I
got NBA League Pass. I mean, I gotta draw the lines.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
There's a corner copy of options between that and FC
Cincinnati all this stuff. Man, yeah, quite a bit. Well,
but here's the deal. I think they also have a
little bit with the footprint of T and T style
assets that could happen with more sports. I think it's
going to give them some option. It's gonna help. Anytime
you have access to capital, that helps because your hands

(01:03:23):
aren't tied. However, it's at a cost, okay, and I
think that's something that everyone needs to understand, right, if
you're going to access your home equity line, right, sometimes
it's a good deal, but it's a cost. You're gonna
pay that back? Does it make sense? Is the return
on investment? I think you're going to come into that
with with UC and even other schools in the Big
twelve because they're trying to compete in a market that

(01:03:46):
is just brutal. Right now, you know, I'm tied to
college sports or not. You know, nothing like basketball, football,
but the kids being in golf and you talk about
competitive holy smokes on every facet where you're swimming, whether
it's tennis, that's wrestling, you're talking about big time money,
and they need access, I think to some cabbage and

(01:04:07):
media rights because, as we've talked previous weeks, media rights
is what pays the bills.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Right. So you know, when when a lot of folks
think college sports, they think purity, amateurism, a lot of
that stuff has gone out the window. How much of
this pushes us more towards just calling it what it,
frankly is everybody sports.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Andy Griffith fished every day. I mean, I mean, come on,
I mean, let's do a wake up. I work with me,
I think I work with me. Bro in Columbus and
he played football for the Ohio State Universe. Don't boom
me back under Earl Bruce And he's like, man, he goes,
I never needed a car because I got a car

(01:04:47):
every week he goes. I always had a hotel and
entertainment every weekend. So it's never it's never been the
Andy Griffith show. Correct, now, right, Disney Plus does not
work in this arena.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
No, you're you're exactly right. Let's stay with the Big ten.
So the Big Ten. We keep hearing about like college
sports is broken. We hear about all the stuff that
people don't like. I don't think it is I don't
think it is great. But see I agree with you.
And here's why, because I look at this from a
basic perspective. Everybody's getting paid. Players are getting paid, Coaching
salaries have gone up. Staff sizes have never been bigger.

(01:05:24):
Nil has created jobs in college sports they used to
not exist. The arenas are full, the TV ratings are great,
and I look at the Big ten. I see the
record payouts. They're distributing one point three seven billion dollars
to their eighteen members schools. So tell me how college
spoorts is broken.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
That is roughly seventy six million dollars per school on average.
It is amazing to see that. It might be messy, right,
I mean, I get the messy thing. Sure it's different, different.
Now you're hating this. If you go to the College
of the Little Sisters, blinded poor, you're not getting that cabbage.
And yes, you're going to get left behind. It is

(01:06:02):
survival of the fittest. And I think it's why the
Big twelve is saying, all right, we need some access
because there's great talent, there's great entertainment there, but right
now it's being drowned out by two major groups. And
it's no different than in life and in work and
in business. Is that if you're if you don't have
the market share, you're trying to find ways to compete.

(01:06:25):
And if Jabe is paying X, you have to understand
why is the benefit of staying here? It's just waff
wing back forth. I want to give you some stats
on on the Big ten, Big twelve, OLSU, the Ohio
State University. You hate it when I say that, No,
they do it off fun V thirty three point six
thirty three three hundred and thirty six point one. Be nice.

(01:06:45):
If I could read million in revenue, right, you see
ninety six point seven million in revenue. That's a that's
a little differences. Different expenses are different. Three hundred and
twenty million in change and expenses for the Bucks one
hundred and five million in expenses. But here's a difference.
It's the net surplus for the ohiosteen University almost sixteen million.

(01:07:06):
You see. You want a guess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
It's a negative.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
It is a negative. It's negative eight point six almost
negative nine percent. So here's a very dumb guy question.
And I ask a lot of those I don't know
if I know the answer to this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Before all of this, let's say ten years ago, wasn't
there already a disparity between the two?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, so you think people at Alabama didn't get trucks
and cars and guns.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
And well, like whenever I would hear people talk about
I would make this argument years ago when people would say, well,
in pro sports, we don't want we don't want the
disparity between the haves and have nots, I would say, well,
why are we okay with it in football and college?
Because like, all right, fine, that Ohio State has to
spend the same amount of money on recruiting as you
see your bowling Green or Miami. Oh no, no, no, no no,
So like we already had a disparity. So I should I,

(01:07:54):
as a UC guy, should I lose my mind over this?

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Okay? Yeah, Ohio State has more, makes more, gets more,
spends more.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Here here's what no one I'm gonna I'm gonna defer that.
I'm gonna get a politician and answer that with it. Politicians, Sideline,
I know you do. It's great. There are two girls
at Eastern Michigan University playing golf phenoms why in the
world where they go to Eastern Michigan to play golf,
nice courses up there, it's cold cabbage. There is a booster,

(01:08:22):
there is some big money, but a graduate and they
want that place to be put on the map. This
can happen to any school. All it needs is a
little bit of cabbage. And yes, you're trying to compete,
but I'm telling you right now, those girls are strong
and they're good, and that team is good because someone
graduated from Eastern and said I'm gonna give back and
I want to have these phenoms here and put this

(01:08:44):
school on the map, and it's throwing money at it.
I almost forgot what you asked me. I'm just hit
hitting my head when they're saying it is an equalizer,
but it's open to all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yes, it is open to all. I just I see
the disparity between the two and I feel like we already,
we already had haves and have nots. And if the
gap is getting wider, I think most people are okay
with that. I guess for me, there's two things. One
as it relates to this, If this is what it
looks like when college sports are broken, what will it
look like when it's healthy, let's break it some more.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Yeah, I mean I love Saturdays in the fall. I
love Saturdays in the fall almost more than Sundays. To me,
it is just these kids are playing for the future.
It's exciting. It's all entertaining. It's unbelievable. Even college baseball,
you name it. It is entertaining. It's working. Why are
we all freaked out over you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Because it's different. It is working. It's working for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
So you mean, I could be a kid that literally
comes from nothing and finally make money in nil and
get TV ratings, and that's where it comes from, and
all of a sudden, my life's better, my family's life's better,
and then I get to go to the pros and
I had again, I did what it's like in the
big time, and off we go. Why is that a
bad thing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
It's not a bad thing as it relates to the
Big twelve and private capital coming in. What could a
business owner or employee take away from that? And maybe
with what can somebody who's running his or her household? Yeah,
take away from what's happening with the big time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I think at any time you're going to take money,
you're gonna take capital, whether that's to buy a business,
whether that is to take a different job. Maybe you're
in sales and commission sales and you're getting an opportunity
to have a big paycheck, right you're it's coming in
this year. You better understand that the way it is
now does not mean that's the way it's going to be.
Go back and look at some of these schools that

(01:10:25):
are feeling like they're all big, bad lsu right, and
it's just like the matter that it can change. It
comes back to the basics, like grandma and grandpa, did
you better understand where you're getting your dollars, where's your spend?
Got to adjust it for inflation, what's going to look
like in the future if gas goes to five dollars
a gallon, you have to adapt, you have to change.

(01:10:46):
I think there are schools that are doing that well
with all the money that's come in. I think there
are schools that have failed miserably with all the money
that's come in. It is no different than a personal
individual planning for the long run of how do I
be in stay retirement right now? How do I make
sure my business if I'm gonna go and sell this
to private equity. What's that going to look like when
it comes to control my employees? There's always a catch.

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Twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Give me a smart business person's perspective on what's happened
with the live golf tour? Uh, because it's gonna it's
gonna dissolve, right Like, it's gonna go away ugly. The
Saudi money is gonna go away. And folks like me
who are like, look, at some point, the golf is
gonna have to be good enough. The storytelling on TV

(01:11:29):
is gonna have to the product is gonna have to
be good enough. And I think we're gonna find out
that it's that. It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Well, it was good. Did you ever watch it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
It was different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
There were shorts I had like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yeah, that's good. It was different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Three rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I mean, whatever time you sat down other than a major?
All right, now gone out. When's the last time you
sat down other than the US Open, the Master's, the PGA, uh,
the the Open, the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
British Open and watch four rounds of golf. I've never
watched four rounds of golf. I am more into what's
happening on Sundays. An established, legitimate tour like the PGA
than I ever was living.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
There was as much legitimate player. I'm being Devil's advocate,
the advocate of the devils. I like to say there's
some amazing players that were on with the fact of
the matter is the money never made sense. The only
way the money made sense and live is if they
got just like the Big Twelve, if they got the
TV money. They never got it. The other thing that
people don't remember much is that when those guys left,

(01:12:25):
they were promised to get world ranking points. That's what
determines how you're playing in the postseason. Well, it's going
to be how you're going to get into the majors.
That was never granted. So that first couple of waves
that went over were anticipating that and it never happened.
So what happened? You get these names? The product they're
working through it it's clunky, it's weird, and no one

(01:12:46):
else joins. And to get the last person they got,
they had to spend a ton of money for rom
and it just didn't work. They're like, we're out. I
think a lot of it happens to do with current events.
The oil crises is crushing them over there. And it's
really easy to look at that and go, we don't
have ten years for this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
To make money. I do think there's a mom and
pop lesson here, and you can tell me if I'm wrong,
talk to me. Live Golf was dependent upon this one
source of money. If you if you build your house
that way, if you build your your lifestyle that way,
yoursn's destined to fail.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Or a challenge destined.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Okay, you're likely to fail.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
The probability of failing is shit. You have to have multifacets, right.
It's like it's like starting like you and I go
out to the corner down here and there's an open
vacancy right down here in the stadium. We open it up,
and we open a smoothie store. Right. We're really hoping
that everyone that works in this building loves smoothies, right
and is willing to pay it. I think that's kind
of what they did. I don't hate the idea. I

(01:13:46):
hated how at a time. I think it was a benefit.
In some ways, we step backwards. PG tour has changed
drastically because of Live. The amount of money the guys
that stayed on the PG Tour made Scotti scheffer being won.
Holy folks, most of the competition leaves and your bonus
pool goes through the roof. It's benefited a lot of folks.

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I'm very excited as a huge golf fan to get
probably these best of the best all back together and
playing again. It's gonna take some time to get through,
but it's gonna happen. And I think at the end
of the day, that's what all of us wanted. You had,
you had two compromise tours. He had a really bad
commissioner that was forced out. So I was very happy
with Nicholson challenging the status quo. I know he's going

(01:14:31):
to go down in history as the villain, but I
think every PGA tour, because he's he's a little abrasive,
but I think every PGA tour should kiss him on
the cheek and because of what he's brought to their
cabbage in their pocketbook, because he forced the issue and
thank god they got a very wasteful, poor commissioner out.
But PJ tour is not simple either, bro that the
companies are not just loving to hope to spend all

(01:14:54):
this money to go in here and host an event.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I think the one thing the PGA Tours should adopt though,
is let the players wear shorts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Laurie Lindsey Apple TV is going to join us in
about uh what's fifteen minutes or so. N C Cincinnati
is uh well in the throes of a winning streak.
I think we could say that be a fair way
of characterizing how they're playing right now. Evanderist like a

(01:16:00):
Vander and the Orange and Blue have slowly crept up
the Eastern Conference standings. And we'll talk about what FC
Cincinnati has done so far and what lies ahead with
Lorie Lindsay, who is going to be on the call
for Saturday's match against Charlotte. That game is going to
be a road tilt for Cincinnati, a battle of two

(01:16:22):
cities that refer to themselves as the Queen City. That
is coming up in just about fifteen minutes. More on
the Reds throughout the course of the hour. If you
haven't been with us, or if you don't have internet access,
Emilio Pagan is on the injured list. I think that
is probably the least surprising thing I have ever said

(01:16:43):
exited last night's game with that was that's brutal. It's
hard to watch. It's hard to watch because he went
down and I don't say this to be flipping. He
went down like he had been shot, and they're calling
it a hamstring strain. We're gonna have on one of
the experts from Orthos Cinci on Friday. I am off tomorrow,

(01:17:04):
so we'll do that. But watching it in real time,
you couldn't help but wonder like, is is that gonna
be a tear? So we'll see how much time he misses.
But unfortunately, and to the surprise of nobody, Emilio Pagan
goes on the ten day injured list, which is a
bummer for him, and it's ass as much as he

(01:17:29):
has struggled and as frustrating as he can be, and
as arguably miscast as he is as the closer, the
Reds are better when Amelio Pagan is healthy, Like ideally,
somebody else is closing, and Emilio Pagan is working in

(01:17:50):
a role that he's probably better suited for, and in
that role he could be of help. TJ Anton back,
Chase Petty goes back to Louisville. That doesn't surprise anybody.
Pierce Johnson's off the bereavement list. Brandon Williamson goes on
the sixty day injured list with left shoulder fatigue. Left

(01:18:12):
shoulder fatigue six weeks into the season will now require
a eight and a half week stint on the injured list.
It's not funny. I'm not laughing at Brandon Williamson.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
But so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Nick Lidolo is going to come back on Friday. This
team badly needs him. Andrew Rabbit, I think took a
step in the right direction yesterday. Unfortunately he did so
in a game that the Reds lost, and there were
a few different things that happened during that game, and
not the least of which was the play at the
very end or Ellie Dela Cruz lets a ball that

(01:18:55):
wasn't easy to handle, but a ball that was easy
to not allow to end the game. He allowed it
to get away from him, and I understand it was
a tough play. I understand it was a bit not
necessarily a tough play, but it was a ball that
sort of took a weird hop, not the easiest ball
to field. I'll grant that he was not given an error,

(01:19:19):
but come on, man, like, there's there's a few things
you can do in that situation. You can You can
field the ball cleanly and throw the ball to first base,
or hell, for what it's worth, maybe try to throw
the ball to third base. I don't know, but you
can field it cleanly, and I think I think, I
think Ellie could have fielded that ball cleanly. And there's
a lot of shortstops who feel that ball cleanly. And

(01:19:39):
if you do and you record an out, then the
game's not over. Your backs are still against the wall,
but the game is not over. You can knock it down,
maybe have a hard time fielding it, perhaps try to

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throw the ball to first base. Not record the out
runner is safe first and third. You're up against it.
You're on the ropes, but the game's not over. You
can knock the ball down, play it like a hockey goalie.
Knock it in front of you, pick it up, eat it,

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call time out, give it back to the pitcher, not
even try to throw the ball to first base. Again.
The odds of winning the game are not in your
team's favor, but you haven't lost it. Like, you've got
to make that play, and like, I know how this works.
I've done this long enough, I know the day and
age we're in. It is impossible for some people, not

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the majority, to say anything negative about a player they love.
I love watching Ellie de Lacruz play baseball, but my
guy's got to make that play. Say both things. You
could also acknowledge that he's got to make that play
and not go down this road of insanity that involves

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tonight he's in center field. You could acknowledge if you
have watched him play. Ellie Dela Cruz this season has
played a good shortstop. Will that continue, We'll see, But
to this point in the season, he's played a solid
short defensive metrics, especially this early in the season, I

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believe are flawed. If you were watching the TV broadcast
last night, say that, And Brantley sort of talked about
that a little bit, that the metrics don't tell the
entire story of how good he's been. He has not
been perfect, but he has been If you watched him
last year versus this year, at times has looked like
a completely different player, playing the position with confidence. He's
making the right throw, like he's making the routine play.

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He's mixing in the spectacular. Last night, at the worst
possible moment, he had a misplay. Can't happen. And if
it happens in the third inning with two outs and
the Reds up by two runs in a game here
in early May, nobody cares. When it happens in the
bottom of the tenth inning, you've lost for straight games,
your closer has just gone down. Everything that can go

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wrong has, your team doesn't score any runs. By the
way Ellie made the last out of the top of
the tenth inning, everything is exacerbated. Everything is amplified. Fair
to say, like, dude, that's a ball. That's a ball
you You at least can't let be the last play
of the game. You got to make that play. On
some level, you got to make that play. The bigger

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issue is the Reds lack of offense. You know, we talk,
we talk a lot about fatal flaw sometimes or things
that are gonna catch up to you, things that your
assets may mask. And the Reds at their best earlier
this season were getting good bullpen work. They were making
all the plays in the field, they were not giving

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up outs on the base pass. They were getting a
tremendous first month from Sal Stewart, but like nobody else
was really hitting. And now you peel back a couple
of things and it's like, all right, bullpen has regressed.
That's not just Amilio Pagan. They've they've seen Sal Stewart

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slow his role predictably so perhaps understandably so. Perhaps I
don't know why they don't give him the occasional day off. Uh,
but okay, cool, And now their warts stand out more.
And their warts are a lineup filled with dudes, just

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filled with dudes who are not contributing at all. TJ.
Friedel is leading off tonight. TJ Friedel's on base percentage
is two sixty six. Go and look at his numbers
in the second half of the season last year. Are
we to really believe that suddenly TJ. Friedl is going

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to get on base at a clip that you would
find acceptable for a leadoff hitter. Jj bloday has been
a nice addition, and hopefully it continues. JJ Blda is
a career two sixteen hitter. There are other stats that
tell a deeper story, but stay with me on this one.

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Matt McClain is not playing tonight. Matt McLain is the
team's primary catcher. Dude's bat in a buck ninety five.
Matt McClain gets on base at a two ninety nine clip.
Key Brian Hayes enough said, So, all right, there's there's
some some fissures, so to speak, that have emerged. The

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starting staff has, it's not very steady right now. The
bullpen is not very steady right now. The guy who
was carrying you is this is going through perhaps very
understandably so maybe just some some growing pains that come
with being in his third big league month. Is the

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offense capable of picking up the slack? Is the offense
capable of picking up the rest of the team individually?
Who are we supposed to count on like offensively, Man
and Nathaniel Lowe has given them a burst of power,
and Bladet recently has been very good and they've had,

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you know, good games from players who are having otherwise
terrible seasons like Matt McLean. But I asked this on Monday.
It's a fair question now. In fact, I think it's
a more important question now. With great starting pitching and
terrific defense and a just awesome bullpen, nobody's talking about
your offensive issues. But suddenly suddenly here it is, and

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your wards are exposed. Red's offense is a ward for
lack of a better way of putting it. So I
don't know how that gets fixed. I'm all ears, I
don't know who the guy is that should play more.
I don't know who the guy is. I would be
on board with calling up Edwin Arroyo, but you know,

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if you're counting on for a team that is supposed
to contend, if you're counting on guys from Louisville to
be the savior, that is a very very very very
flimsy proposition. As we have seen with dudes like Rhese Hines.
Trade deadline is months away. You could argue the Red
should be aggressive and going trade for somebody right now.
I think that's gonna be either unlikely or just hard

(01:26:43):
to execute. So yeah, man, there's a lot of stuff
happening with the team right now, and the margin for
error is maybe smaller than it has been, and they'll
get a shot in the arm. I hope, I think
we all hope from Nickolodolo, but is not as good.
Starting staff has been a little shaky, in fact, oftentimes

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more than a little. There's a lot of injuries there.
You don't have your forty nine home run dude from
last season, Auhaneo Suarez, and I don't have no idea
when that guy is gonna play. You don't either. Is
the lack of offense going to sink this team and essentially

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put the Reds in a position where all the good stuff,
all the good stuff they did for the first thirty
or so games, gets undone And in this division this season,
that feels like something that could you hate to say this,
in May torpedo their chances. I know how I'm coming
off to some is overly pessimistic and I don't mean to,

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but coming into the season, I think we believe this
team was not going to be great offensively. And if
you thought it was gonna be better offensively, those hopes
hinged on Auhaneo Suarez hitting the ball out of the ballpark. Bunch,
that's not happening right now. So now what does it
hinge on? Who starts hitting? Who can they count on?

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Who can we count on? Five point three, seven, four nine,
fifteen thirty. We'll take phone calls coming up in the
bottom of the hour right now though or after this.
Lori Lindsay Apple TV has FC Cincinnati and Charlotte. She
joins us next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 7 (01:28:26):
Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
From the UC hell Today.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
FC Cincinnati on the road, a second consecutive game away
from TQL Stadium, taking on Charlotte seven point thirty on
Saturday evening. Apple TV has it. Lori Lindsay from Apple
TV is with us. Last time she joined as she
was driving around the Bronx getting set to call an
FC Cincinnati game against New York City. The Orange and
Blue got a point that night. They have won their

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last two and so I think Lourie's a little bit
of good luck. Are you? Are you driving around now again,
where are you now?

Speaker 12 (01:29:03):
I actually have driving, which is really funny. I'm about
an hour away from Philadelphia. Random story at a opp time.
But I used to live in deep Sea for over
a decade and what I was playing is also when
I lived there. And so my eye doctor in dentist
are still there because they're in conjunction with our.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
US SoC and our national.

Speaker 12 (01:29:23):
Team, and so like once or twice a year I
go down there to get my eyes checked in and
half of my digital appointment.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
So today with today and now I'm on my.

Speaker 12 (01:29:32):
Way back to Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Well, with with what gas costs, and I don't know
what it is on the East Coast, but with what
gas costs, it's the trip to the eye doctor is costly.
So I hope things work out.

Speaker 13 (01:29:46):
Yeah, it's all good so far.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
FC Cincinnati. I don't know Vander They've needed him to
be superhuman and he was on Saturday against Chicago. Has
the club collectively, in your opinion, turned the corner?

Speaker 12 (01:29:58):
Yeah, it feels like it. I'm I mean, even when
we spoke before that New York City game and I
actually interview you've interviewed Pat before and he goes, okay, listen,
you need to be in a good luck charm, and
at one point in time when it was like four
or three, I was like, I don't know, and then
the four or four happens. But regardless, I do feel
like that was a huge kind of turning point for
that because, I mean, I think the biggest thing that

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we've known is that there's been a lot of big
consistencies with the personnel and having to change quite frequently
in terms of injuries and cards. So even though that's
still not totally solved, especially in the defense area, I
mean we are seeing everybody collectively, I feel like, take

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another step forward and think, at these moments you have
to have your big players step up, and the Banner
has certainly done that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
I feel like you could say the same thing about
Roman Salentano.

Speaker 12 (01:30:50):
Yeah, no doubt, and I mean huge performances, right, big says.
I was even talking with somebody earlier just about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
You know that.

Speaker 12 (01:30:58):
I'm sure there's quite a bit of pressure, it feels like,
with him and Chris Brady fying for potentially that third
spot which everyone's talking about with you have been the
national team. But you know, I think in these moments, yes,
in the attack We're always looking for players to step
up in four goals, but the same thing with your
goalkeepers to make huge saves, kicking games or winning games.

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And you've certainly done that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
The the issues they've had and there have been injuries,
there there have been you know, you talk about the
inconsistency on the defensive end of the pitch, is how
can some of the issues they have payoff later in
the season.

Speaker 12 (01:31:36):
I think anytime that you're having to dig deep in
your and your roster and get a lot of players
meeting for playing time and really dig deep, but also
so part of it because I mean you could have
that still a consistent line up where everyone feels a
part of what's happening and realizing that like, Okay, everybody's
been a succesful year, everyone's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Playing at a high level.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Yet that means there's not gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Be a lot of rotation.

Speaker 12 (01:31:59):
Well that's been quite the opposite for Cincinnati, and so
kind of on the flip side, players are having to
play and really get involved in play an important moments.
So I think as we know a long season, there's
want to close this season, especially with you know, the
bigger national breaker gonna happen the worlds into a cup.

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So it's important to collect been headed into that sorry head,
collect points headed into those that break in that long layoffs.
But then as the later in the season when you
need to baby maybe have to rotate players again, dig
deep at certain times and you have those players ready.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Laurie Lindsay from Apple TV is with us FC Cincinnati
and Charlotte on Saturday. For all of FC Cincinnati's defensive issues,
is it a welcome sight to see a Charlotte team
that does not scored in each of its previous two matches.

Speaker 12 (01:32:54):
I would walk that line gingerally, just given the the
the talent they have in the attack, and especially I
think it's an interesting time to be meeting Charlotte because
obviously they've jumped four in a row in all competitions,
so I think that's always a little bit of an
interesting time in terms of they are going to be
in front of their home crowd ready to go, and

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so I think just the intensity and the way that
Sati starts the game is going to be incredibly important.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Especially one thing that we do know.

Speaker 12 (01:33:25):
Also about Charlotte is they're good in quick attacks, whether
they high press and pick you off higher up the
field to them they can hurt you, but then also
in attacking transition. So I think it's just going to
be something defensively, the shape, making sure they take care
of the ball in the right moment. Cincinnati is going
to be really crucial.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Pairent teams separated by a point in the Eastern Conference
seven point thirty. On Friday Night, FC Cincinnati and Charlotte
Queen City versus Queen City. You can watch it on
Apple TV. Laurie Lindsay on the call. Good luck with
the rest of your drive and have a great call
on Saturday, and we'll do it again soon. Yeah, thank
you so much.

Speaker 12 (01:34:01):
I'm going to talk with you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Good to have good to have you on the show.
It's Lorie Lindsay, Apple TV. Of course, the match also
can be heard live on ESPN fifteen thirty. All right,
we're guests for you the rest of the way sports headlines.
We got to spend a few minutes on somebody who
for my generation, helped turn a lot of us into
baseball fans. Next on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 7 (01:34:21):
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to snap a five game losing streak. They'll give the

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ball to Brady Singer. Colin Ray throws for Chicago. Your
starting lineup for tonight, friedol Bledet and Ellie Stewart's playing third,
Low Steer is playing for base, Benson and Wright Travina
behind the dish. Matt McClain plays second base and bat's ninth.
The transactions to No. One surprise. Amelio Pagango's in the

(01:35:10):
fifteen day injured list with what the team is calling
a left hamstring strain. Tj Antone up from Louisville, Chase
Petty option to Louisville, Pierce Johnson back from the bereavement list,
and Brandon Williamson has been transferred to the sixty day
injured list with left shoulder fatigue not great in the

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National League Central Later tonight, the Pirates take on the
Diamondbacks in Arizona, and this afternoon we've got NL Central Baseball.
Brewers beat the Cardinals by a score of six to two.
Aaron Ashby pitch well today. Milwaukee's now nineteen and sixteen,
Saint Louis now twenty one and fifteen. Cincinnati in the

(01:35:55):
National League Central now four games at a first place.
You see gets a good get Jared Calhoun getting a
commitment from a Kai Fleming who played last season that
Georgia Tech as a freshman, averaging just under ten and
a half points a game. NBA playoffs continue tonight. No
Joe lmb for Philadelphia Sixers and Knicks at MSG New

(01:36:16):
York Cup won nothing, Minnesota up won nothing. Game two
tonight in San Antonio, t Wolves and the Spurs NHL
Stanley Cup Playoffs. Montreal's at Buffalo for Game one of
that series. Vegas hosting the Ducks for Game two of
that series, with the Golden Knights leading one game to none.

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Cincinnati native Ted Turner passed away today at the age
of eighty seven, and I was thinking about growing up
today when I saw that Ted Turner had passed. Ted
Turner was obviously a media mogul, and he was also
like a baseball owner who I don't think we have anymore.

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We don't have many like baseball owners who are known
as kind of characters. You know, they had their flaws.
But when I was growing up, you knew like George
Steinbrenner owned the Yankees, and you knew that Marge Shad
owned the Reds, and you knew that Ted Turner owned
the Atlanta Braves. And how many owners can you ain't name?
Right now? They're increasingly corporate baseball teams, increasingly a part

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of a conglomerate. But I think about this often this
time of year, and I was thinking about this with
the Reds playing the Cubs, that if you are my age,
if you're a child of the eighties, if you're a
baseball fan to this day, your love of the game

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was fostered by being able to watch Chicago Cubs games
on WGN and Atlanta Braves games on TBS because Ted
Turner owned the Braves. He famously once made himself manager
for a game in the middle of a Brave sixteen
game losing streak. His managerial record is zero to one.
He was told by Bouie Kune, who should not be

(01:38:07):
in the Hall of fame. By the way, he was
told by Booie Kune that owners can't be managers, but
like a colorful figure. But he had he had a
baseball team, and he had a television station that needed inventory,
and he put Braves games on TBS, and then he
turned TBS into a superstation. And in the eighties, like,

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I have such fond memories of watching the Cubs at
two twenty and then the Braves always played like these
weirdly timed games where you know, a Reds game would
be listed to start at seven o'clock, but a Braves
game would be listed to start at seven oh five.
Braves are on TV every night, and sometimes they would
have these weird first pitch times like five forty and uh,

(01:38:51):
I just I tweeted about that today and I just
had fond memories of being a baseball fan, you know,
back in the day. And I hate to sound like
an old guy, but maybe fifty or sixty Reds games
would be on TV, and that was a lot to
people who grew up in the sixties and seventies, and
they were on Channel five, and so often you were
stuck with the West Coast games, and the Reds played

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a lot of those because they were the National League West,
and so if you had cable, your real exposure to baseball,
at least beyond local broadcasts and the NBC Game of
the Week were the Cubs and the Braves. And so
Ted Turner obviously did a lot of things. I don't
really care to talk about any of them besides the

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fact that he put baseball in the living room of
a lot of kids who were starved for it, and
I was one of those kids. And so rest in
peace to Ted Turner, who spent the first nine years
of his life in Avondale. And he also in the
nineteen ninety five National League Championship Series, which was not

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well attended, and that really wasn't because of the strike.
It's because, in the height of marg Shot era, the
Reds totally bungled the ticket sales for that series, which
meant that my buddy and I got tickets for Game one,
first row of the green and right next to us
because we were just off the on deck circle. The

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visitors dugout on deck circle like two rows of Braves
people when they were obviously team employees, and right before
the first pitch of Game one, here to greet them
were Ted Turner and Jane Fonda. Now they didn't sit there,
They went down and sat like first row behind the
braves dugout. But I high five Ted Turner. His other half,

(01:40:38):
Miss Fonda, wanted nothing to do with a high five.
So anyway, rest in peace to Ted Turner, who passed
away at the age of eighty seven. I asked him,
and I know Ted Turner was a seminal wrestling figure
with the NWA and the WCW. Correct. Yes, big wrestling
figure in the eighties. Now in the eighties, I didn't
watch that promotion. I was a WWF guy. But yeah,

(01:40:59):
big figure in big figure in cable news, big figure
in wrestling. But for my money, I think of Ted Turner.
I think of all those summers watching bad Atlanta Braves
baseball with Ken Obert, Felon Dale Murphy and Andres Thomas
and Glenn Hubbard and Omar Moreno and Bob Horner and
Bruce Benedict and Rick Mahler and Jean Garber, like a

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lot of dudes who used to be good, who by
the time they got to the Braves. Dale Murphy notwithstanding,
by the way, should be in the Hall of Fame.
Miserable teams, but on TV every day, and when you're eight, nine,
ten years old baseball obsessed and you can't get enough
to have a game on every day was awesome. So

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the Cubs made that happen. The Braves made that happen,
and I think about those think about that a lot.
Eighteen away from six o'clock. Mike, go ahead, you're on
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 13 (01:41:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
Bo.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Has today's showed been the year satisfaction?

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:42:03):
I had a bug up my butt yesterday. Sorry about that. Yeah,
I see, I got a treatment that really made me
feel bad.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
I just I read my email last night. It felt
like yesterday's show not quite up to your standards or
what can we have done? What can we have done better?

Speaker 13 (01:42:18):
I just thought the ending kind of with that gentleman
you were talking to about the money and stuff, but
it just seemed like it kept going in circles and
circles and circles. But I have noticed one thing about
you over the years, when someone challenges you, you get
that bit in your mouth like a horse with the blinders,
and you go for it, brother, Yeah, until you almost
try to convince them otherwise.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
So and that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Well, that's the idea is to have some fun spirited
debates and at the end of it we said goodbye
to each other and we hope we hear from the
guy again.

Speaker 13 (01:42:50):
Here's what I got.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
If you got a second, Yeah, well I got I
got about ten minutes, Mike, So go ahead. Oh maybe
not that many, man, maybe maybe six.

Speaker 11 (01:42:59):
But go ahead take five and would be thankful. I'm
really grateful that the owners pulled Golden Tempo from the
Preakness because you know why they pulled that horse because
they loved that horse and they don't want that horse
to get hurt. And this is one of the big
problems with horse racing. I grew up around horses down

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on Lexington where my grandpa lived, and I spent all
my summers down there, and he had a lot of horses,
a lot of quarter horses, and then got into owning
some race horses. And I've just was around the love
that these that you can develop for these horses if
you can put your greed in your hip pocket for
five minutes. So kudos to the owners for pulling him

(01:43:43):
and thinking of him as a horse.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
So then then here, then here's my question, because last
year's Sovereignty did the same thing, right. Uh, And so
Golden Temple becomes the second Derby winner to not to
not enter the pregnance. Uh. I know the TV rights
for the Triple Crown are up in the air. Does
it then make sense, because it's better for the preaknance
that the derby winner is in it, to move the
preaknance back a week or two to accommodate the modern

(01:44:08):
thoroughbred horse racing schedule.

Speaker 13 (01:44:10):
Yeah, I think they need to spread these out more.
It's just too tight. You can't have three with a
lot of these horses haven't even run a mile in
a quarter like at Kentucky, let alone go up to
Saratogain and or the Belmont and run a mile and
a half. These a lot of these horses, just kid.
That's why you see the amount of horses in the

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Belmont always about half or less of what it is
in the Derby because these horses just can't do it.
But the owners are so freaking greedy. It's not like
these horses haven't chilled themselves to put some money in
their pocket. And I find it despicable. Wow, And yeah,
I really too.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
So there was a there was a horse in the
derby before the race that like did a backflip and
hopefully the horse is okay and hopefully the jockey is okay.
But the Tell Vision announcer said, boy, you really feel
bad for that horse. He really wanted to run in
the derby. Now do you think when they took the
horse back to the stable he was like, damn it,
that was my shot to be in the derby.

Speaker 11 (01:45:11):
No, they don't think in terms of that. They just
think in terms of the love that they build with
the people that are with them all the time. And
that guy's lucky.

Speaker 13 (01:45:18):
That's sixteen animals. We wouldn't have been doing huston for
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
You're exactly right.

Speaker 13 (01:45:26):
I'm really proud of Patino Junior. He's getting the job done.
He's hitting the pavement and getting these guys in. Aren't
you proud of Patino Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
What he's doing well? I am, Yes. I think he's
doing a very good job. Do we have to call
him Patino Junior?

Speaker 13 (01:45:43):
No, we can call him Richard, you know, and you
like his.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Correct name is Richard. Patino Xavier has assembled what most
analysts believe to be a very good transfer class, which
I think everybody expected there to be an uptick in talent,
but it feels like there's been an infusion of money.
By the way, for what it's worth, there's really good
news about Xavier the enrollment, which has been an issue

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in recent years. And I think there's lots of reasons
for optimism because that that team last season was very
talent efficient. I do believe Richard Patino squeezed as much
out of that group as he could and it will
be fun to watch what he can do with a
better roster, a deeper roster.

Speaker 13 (01:46:23):
Yeah, and we're gonna have some really good shootouts coming
up now with the new or new coach that you see.
So this is gonna be a fun couple of years
coming up. That's what I think. I hope that. The
other thing you were talking about the owner is you
know who I think when I was younger was the
most colorful guy was Charlie Finley.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Charlie Finley and Bill Veack.

Speaker 11 (01:46:44):
Bill Veck, the nutcase from the White Sock. Yeah, he
sp well, these guys were out there this was I
think they were doing acid or something. I don't know
what they hold they but they were weird guys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Charlie Finley. Charlie Finley tried to introduce like the fluorescent baseballs.
He once fired his second basement in the middle of
the World Series. Mike Andrews from making an error like this.
Charlie Finley was nuts.

Speaker 13 (01:47:08):
He wasn't nuts. And they introduced the white cleats that
nobody had ever worn the white cleats before the Age did.
And they had some battles with the reds uh early
in the seventies when actually the.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
Ages beat him nineteen.

Speaker 13 (01:47:24):
Goofball sal Bando at two to eleven for the year
and then was responsible for beating my Red Joe Rudy,
Joe Rudy at tons of them. You know that was
a fun team, I think. Let me ask you this,
do you think the pitchers may be slowly starting to
catch up the sat a little bit? Yes, because it's inevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Yes, without question. Yes, the league is caught up to him,
and it's always fun to watch what the subsequent adjustment
is by the batter. Now, I do think he could
use a day offer to right. He's played every single day,
they've hit him fourth. He's been asked to carry this offense.
But I mean, like last night he had a strikeout.

(01:48:07):
I think it was a three pitch strikeout. I'm not
sure he saw a pitch faster than ninety three ninety
four miles an hour, and they were three very hittable pitches.
They were pitches that two weeks ago he crushes. And
I saw that last night and just said like that,
he looks like he's got a tired back, and that
might be a little bit alarming for as early in
the season as we are, But yeah, it feels like

(01:48:30):
it feels like this happens all the time. The league
catches up to the hitter. Now, the hitter's got to
figure it out.

Speaker 13 (01:48:35):
Yeah, and if you and I know that Ellie and
so are carrying the team, make sure as hell though,
So there's a lot of pressure for a twenty one
year old guy or whatever he is. There's a lot
of pressure. Yeah, moving on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Terrence playing the Terrence playing the walkoff music.

Speaker 13 (01:48:52):
NBA NIX will beat the six Ers. That's over. But boy,
you gotta be worried about Detroit because they hit your
number right very much.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
So I'm a little bit less worried since I watched
him against Orlando, because I'm not sure they have enough
scoring options to win four games against a team playing
the way New York is now. Is that level gonna continue?
I think the Knicks are gonna beat the seventy six ers.
I think there's still like a crazy Tyrese Maxi game

(01:49:21):
where he carries his team to a victory or two.
And we'll see if MB plays it all in this series.
I wouldn't have played him the other night if I
was Philly, which he got half the game off. Anyway,
I would have rested him and said we're gonna try
to steal game two. Then we come back and play
two more at home. We'll see Mike. I gotta run, man.
Thanks so much, thanksfully. All right, there you go, Tara,

(01:49:45):
thanks for having this ready for me. By the way,
tomorrow on the show, I'm not here. Chad Brendle is
filling in. I'm taking the day off, but I'm back
on Monday. It's not quite low ad management season. Thanks
to Tarren Bland for producing, and thanks to you for listening.
Have a great night. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports station. Yeah, b it's just braceing. The fans are

(01:50:05):
going crazy and the darning for a reason.

Speaker 7 (01:50:08):
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