June 9, 2026 • 35 mins
The Bengals keep doing very un-Bengals-like things. The Reds keep doing very Reds-like things. And our sports legal expert Stuart W. Penrose joins us to talk Sorsby.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, these Cincinnati Bengals keep doing very un Bengal
like things.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Cincinnati Reds keep doing very Reds like things.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And we will talk more about Brendan Soresby with our
sports legal expert, attorney Stearge W. Penrose from the Minila
Law Group. He joins us in thirty minutes. Reds lose
to the Padres because they can't field a bunt last night.
Five consecutive losses. We'll get to that in just a second.
Bengals news, two things, both good, neither necessarily earth shattering,
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but Ian Rappidport of ESPN reports Bengals and Joe Burrow
have agreed to a contract restructure that'll give the Bengals
about ten million dollars in a salary cap wiggle room
moving forward. And I think the big takeaway is more
than anything, it's just it's another thing that the Bengals
historically haven't done that they're doing. And this is pretty
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basic stuff. Hey, create some financial wiggle We should all
be looking to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Use the tools at your.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Disposal that give you the opportunity to create some financial space,
some financial wiggle room, especially when the quarterback is publicly
saying like yeah, I'll do it. Bengals did it with
Joe Burrow. Can't recall anything like this. They've also signed
cash As Hall, and I saw some folks on social
media over the weekend wondering like, why haven't they gotten
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it done? And you know, let's be honest, after last year,
Shamar Stewart Circus, you were being reasonable if you wondered
any shot at anything resembling that. Well, he's under contract.
All of the Bengals draft picks are under contract. And
that's awesome. Some really good Bengals stuff. Brendenman and Jones
on Baseball a little bit later on this hour, Reds
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lose Last night. Meanwhile, the Milwaukee Brewers won maybe the
game of the year so far this season in Major
League Baseball, and you hate that the game was played
in a minor league ballpark in West Sacramento, but in
twelve innings, the Brewers beat the A's fifteen to fourteen.
Last night, Milwaukee scored two in the top of the
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ninth inning to tie the game. Both teams scored four
runs in the tenth. Brewers scored one in the twelfth
inning on a fielders choice that gave them the go
ahead run. They hang on to beat the A's fifteen
to fourteen. That's four consecutive wins for Milwaukee. The Brewers
are forty one to twenty three this season, with a
five and a half game lead in the National League Central.
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They are attempting to make the postseason for the eighth
time in nine years. Has it occurred to anybody that
it might make sense to look in that organization to
see if there's somebody you could hire here? You know,
it's funny. Nick Kral has been with the reds Sins
two thousand and three. Brad Mehder has been with the
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Redsins two thousand and nine. It has often been, not always,
but it has often been, and an organization that likes
to promote from within, not a whole lot of outsiders
in heavy decision making capacity. That occurred to anybody, like
if you were Phil Castellini, wouldn't you pick up the
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phone at some point call Nick Krawl, summon him to
your office and go, hey man, just wondering why are
the Brewers so good at what we're not? Like?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Why does this.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Smaller market team with limited financial resources that is constantly
losing really good players, why are they always good? And
I know the pushback I'm going to hear, mo, Come on,
they haven't made a World series. To watch him against
the Dodgers last year, show hey Otani the greatest game
of all time?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Game four? They swept him, didn't really come close. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Would you like the Reds to make the playoffs seven
out of eight years, eight out of nine years?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I would?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And if they did, I'd take my chances. Like wouldn't
you ask Nick Crawl if you ran the team? Like,
hey man, like, how come they have figured out how
to do in Milwaukee what we haven't quite figured out
how to do here?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I mean, it's cool that they got Terry Francona. Tito's
going to the Hall of Fame. I think Tino has
been a net positive here in Cincinnati. But I'm a
little bit more interested in how the Brewers work structurally
internally and how that could be applied here. And maybe
it's an oversimplification to say that you look at that
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franchise and say, like, is there somebody we can bring
here to Cincinnati that we could use to maybe emulate.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What they do a little bit?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Or if you don't want to make it about the
Brewers make it about the Tampa Bay Rays or the
Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And this was a big topic last summer because the
Brewers w ninety seven games and again, man like, I
get it. They haven't had a ton of October success,
but they've had more October success than the Reds because
they actually get there every year.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
There were lots of pieces written last.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Summer examining why the Brewers do this, how they do
this despite losing Willie Adamis and Corbin Burns and saying
goodbye to so many players and trading Willie Peralta like
they've lost a lot of dudes. Devin Williams now pitches
for the Mats and they're good every year. Let me
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read this paragraph from one of the pieces about the
Brewers last year. This is from Sports Illustrated. The Brewers
are an outlier exploiting a new market inefficiency knowing how
to play baseball. They obsess over little things, in part
because they generally do not pay for superstars who do
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big thing. Most Brewers make too little money and possess
too little service time to defy their detail oriented leader,
manager Pat Murphy, and the team's highest paid player left
field or Christian Yelich practices what Murphy preaches, inspiring his
teammates to do the same. Does that sound like something
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you would read about the Reds obsessing over little things.
They don't defy their manager. There's some accountability.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
This is another passage. This is from the athletic about
the Brewers. This is last summer. The formula this season
reflects the composition of the roster, a team with lackluster
power but superlative fundamentals. Murphy and the coaching staff emphasize
team wide execution. No hitter feels burdened with carrying the lineup.
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The offense places the opponent in a nine inning pressure cooker.
No team has been more valuable on the basis according
to Fangrafts, the development staff has created a pipeline of
pitchers who trust the organization's ability to guide them. The
players operate without the pressure of the big city microscope.
Any events sound like it could be written about the Reds.
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By the way, they're one in five now without Elie
Dela Cruz, one in six, sorry, one in six now
without Elie Dela Cruz. Let me ask you this, if
you were Ellie Dela Cruz with that, send your asking
price up. Wait a minute, me one guy on a
baseball team, and now we can't win a game without me. Really,
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By the way, the Brewers last year, you know what
they led baseball in games were every player got a hit.
Here that's a top heavy lineup where if one or
two guys aren't hitting, they don't score. Oh you might
not like the Milwaukee Brewer love.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Let's talk about the Tampa bay Rays, who I don't
necessarily love how they do everything because they never really
lock into anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But in a.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Division competing with the Yankees and the defending American League
champion Blue Jays and the Baltimore Orioles, the Tampa bay
Rays are tied for first place. They have the best
record in the American League. Do a search why are
the Tampa bay Rays always good? This is from a
passage on fangrafts dot com earlier this year. The Rays
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do a good job of finding players with skills that
the rest of the market isn't evaluating correctly. Does that
sound like something that would be written about the Reds
or the Guardians, the team that Tito used to work for.
If you're not necessarily paying attention to the American League.
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The Guardians have a game and a half lead over
Chicago and the American League Central. The American League Central,
as expected, not very good this year. The Guardians have
a negative run differential. But it feels like they're always
kind of in the hunt, doesn't it? If you do
a search, why are the Guardians good?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Every year?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here's a piece on ESPN dot com from earlier this season.
For years, the Guardian's backbone has been pitching with a
vaunted factory that turns out one capable starter after another
and allows the front office to ignore exorbitant free agent
prices or farm system sapping trades. Other teams have tried
to replicate their formula or locate their magic pixie dust
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on the black market, without success. The Royals even plucked
Brian Sweeney from Cleveland staff to serve as their pitching coach.
Any of that sound like something that would be riting
about the Reds, So like there's I guess my question,
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what are the Reds good at? I mean here like
stressing fundamentals? I see like identity comes up here with
the Brewers, same for the Guardians, same for the Rays.
Finding market inefficiencies, finding, identifying, obtaining, and developing slightly off
the grid players turning over stones to find hidden gems
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on a consistent basis. I read about Cleveland's unending pitching development.
What are the Reds good at? Baseball wise? I think
they're awesome at everything else the baseball franchise. That's good
at everything but baseball, Like, all right, they got Tito,
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that's cool. They got Ellie, that's neat. They got some
pictures that I could have drafted early, like Chase Burns
and Hunter Green and nicoladl As an organization, what's the
calling card, what's the identity?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
What is the thing they do well? It is sobering
beyond belief.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That years into this process of tearing the team down
and starting over and building toward the middle of the decade,
that you don't have an answer for me, And I
know you don't have an answer for me because I
don't have one for you.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
What are they good at sixteen after four?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know what the Bengals had been good at this
offseason doing Unbengally things, and what you can't help but
say right now about the relationship between Joe Burrow and
the Bengals coming up, plus Moron Soaresby and Brendanman and
Jones on Baseball This Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Cincinnati, WCKY Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human, ESPN fifteen thirty.
I heard radio.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Joe Burrow and the Bengals seem like they're cool with
each other. Not insignificant, right, Joe and the Bengals agree
to a restructure.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Bengals have a little bit more wiggle room. This made,
you might.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Argue, necessary because of the Dexter Lawrence trade. Joe Burrow
expressed earlier this offseason a willingness.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To restructure his deal.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Now, look, man, if this season goes sideways, your guess
is as good as mine as to what the relationship
between Joe and the team is going to look like.
But that's a conversation for November, December, January and maybe
maybe beyond. You and I both know and this is
this is part of the NFL's content machine that when
when the Bengals come up, Joe Burrow's future is a topic.
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I have seen posts on social media from like people
who cover this league, uh creating images of Joe Burrow
in a rams uniform, suggesting that he's going to be
the long term replacement for Matthew Stafford. They don't do
this with Lamar Jackson. They don't do this with Josh Allen.
They don't do this with other co who are under
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long term contracts. They don't do this with Justin Herbert.
So you and I both know, and to a degree
understandably so that there's this narrative out there that, well
Joe and the Bengals, is there complete harmony? There is
he gonna seek a way out? Is he gonna force
a trade? And like, this is why this season is
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so big, right, you don't want to tempt fate. We
don't want a fourth straight year not making the postseason.
We don't want another year where Joe is visibly not
very happy. But right now, you can't tell me that
there's any disconnect between the team and the quarterback. When
Number one Joe talked about a paramount offseason and the
things that he wanted to see the Bengals do. Now
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completely reasonable to wonder about linebacker. We'll see how that
plays out. I'm not yet to the point that I'm
convinced that Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight are ready to
make this leap, both collectively and individually. But beyond that, man,
the offseason has been terrific and the Bengals are doing
very Unbengal like things. The Dexter Lawrence trade like it is.
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I was having this conversation with somebody while watching the
NBA game last night because we were talking about the
night we found out the Bengals made the trade for
Dexter Lawrence, and I said, it's it's been a month
and a half and I still can't believe that they
did it. And by the way, for what it's worth,
one of the storylines from Mini Caamp and mandatory Mini
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Camp next week OTA is happening right now Dexter Lawrence's participation.
I believe he's been there like every single day. I
still can't believe they did it because it's something so Unbengally,
so Unbengals like. So is doing a restructure for your
quarterbacks contract remarkable? And maybe for other NFL teams this
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is just business as usual, and it is and it
should be here like that's I think where we all
want it to be, right. We want things that are
business as usual everywhere else to be business as usual
here and maybe with free agency, we're getting there. You know,
it used to be a free agency. It kind of
felt like we sat on the sideline watched everybody else
around the country have so much fun.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's changed.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Certainly was not the case this offseason because the Bengals
were active and the Dexter lawrence thing completely out of
left field if you understand anything about how the Bengals
have historically operated, and same for the Joe Burrow restructure.
But I think what you have to love about it,
above and beyond anything else, is.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you want.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
To hear the narrative about how Joe and the Bengals
may be headed toward divorce, there's no shortage of people
who will feed that narrative. People who are on the
verge of divorce typically don't cooperate with each other. Bengals
and Joe Burrow have cooperated with each other to get
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something done that has created some cap space. It's ten
million bucks, it's not like it's twenty five thirty, but
some cap space. And so I don't know, man Like,
we'll see if the season goes sideways, not just for
Joe Burrow, but all bets are off for a lot
of different things. Quite frankly, I think the bigger story
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is going to be about Zach Taylor and his long
term security. But if if someone wants to say to you, well,
not sure about Burrow and the Bengals, all you can
do is all you can do is use what's happening
right now, and what has happened this offseason is Joe
and the Bengals have cooperated. And two sides that are
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at odds with each other usually don't cooperate. We watched
it firsthand here right. They didn't get a deal done
with Trey Hendrickson, he asked for a trade. The two
sides were at total odds. There was no cooperation, and
it got ugly and it got weird and it got sideways.
You can't convince me that if Joe Burrow was thinking
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about an exit, that he's sitting down with the Bengals
and going, okay, let's look at this. And by the way,
there's some long term financial benefit to him for this,
So like, let's not say, let's not imagine that he's
not gonna come out very very good in the back end.
But I don't know, dude, if you if you hear
that there's a rift. I think you can point to
this as evidence that maybe that rift isn't necessarily there.
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By the way, really quick on the Brewers. I saw
this during the break, So Ellie Dela Cruz, Ellie Dela
Cruz worth to this team probably just went up over
the last week. He's he's missed every game since last Monday.
God knows when he's gonna play again. They've won exactly once.
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One thing that you could do to enhance your worth
is point to how indispensable you are and how everybody
struggles in your absence. If your Ellie Dela Cruz, aren't
you looking at the Reds going huh?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Without me?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
We can't win a ballgame with me. We have a
hard time winning ball games. And I'm having a great year,
Ellie de la Cruz. And free agency will become more
of a topic as the decade evolves. We've heard Nikrawl
talk about not signing Sal Stewart, and it's interesting. You
have a lot of folks who say, like, you know,
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that's just not willing to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Not yet. The industry trend is to sign.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Guys really, really really early and make some educated wagers
on young players in an effort to control their cost
and get them at what may be a bargain. Later
Earlier today, Jeff Passing of ESPN reports that outfield prospect
Luis Laara and the Brewers are an agreement on a
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seven year, thirty one million dollar contract extension that includes
three club options. The deal max is out at seventy
nine million dollars. He is twenty one years old. He
is dominating a triple A this year. This is the
second long term deal that Milwaukee has done this season
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with a player before his big league debut Cooper Pratt
eight years, fifty million bucks. He's still a triple A.
So is the other dude, Luis Laura. This is how
you keep your best guys. You make bets on them,
You sign them to hefty amounts of money, but that
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as their careers move on, end up turning into bargains.
You ask yourself, who are the guys most likely to
be here long term? Who are the guys we're most
likely to want to keep beyond those first six years
of team control? Who are the guys whose costs we
want to control? The Reds haven't done any of this.
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The Brewers the team they should be striving to be
did it twice? Brendan Soorsby is going to play college football?
What does this mean for the NCUBLEA. What can the
NCAA do? What can the Big twelve do? Our sports
legal expert joins us.
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Twenty seven from five. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Moegger,
Brendanman and Jones on baseball in just about twenty minutes,
sports headlines on the way. We can't talk about Brendan
Soresby without bringing in our sports legal analyst, attorney Steward W.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Penrose from the Manila Law Group.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
He has, I think over the last month and a
half this has become the Brendan Soresby segment, but always
provides expert analysis from a legal perspective, and kind of
not to join us as always because it's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
How are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Mo?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
We were texting yesterday morning as this was unfolding, and
I was I was surprised and most observers were surprised
that the ruling went the way that it did. I
gather that you were surprised as well. Well dive into
the nuts and bolts of it. But what was your
initial reaction when we saw yesterday's news.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
No, I had to double before test. You had to
double check my eyes to make sure that what I
was reading wasn't coming from a satire website. I mean,
this was a completely shocking ruling, you know, for gambling
has always been the cardinal centem sports when we live
in Cincinnati, I mean, need I say more? You know,
we've seen what the effects of gambling can have on
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an athlete, and here you have, you know, seeing me,
everybody on the same side except for stars being as
lawyers and one judge in Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So we've talked about some of these cases involving student
athletes who have sued for an extra year of eligibility,
but it did feel like there were a few basic
rules that the NCAA was still going to have the
legal power to enforce. What does this do for that?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean, it assumingly is the final nail in the
coff and it seemingly cuts the NCAA off at the
waistmo You know, if you have little to no consequence
for gambling and you can step back out in the field.
What's to say that you could be stopped from doing
anything that the NC double A can prevent you from
playing for anything. You've got a clear pathway that you
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can go find a judge. And I know that they
got a judge from Fort Worth that they didn't have
necessarily a local judge. But you can get a home
court there, and you know, seemingly get get a ruin
in your favor and get back out in the field,
and get back out and make your nil money. It's
hard to argue that you can't Right now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Is there anything the n C double A can do
from a legal perspective, Well.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
They're filing an appeal and they're asking for for for
a decision to be accelerated. I mean, let's be honest here,
mean appeals take time even if it's accelerated. You know,
how can they get that in before the season And
you know, not trying to say a judge is biased here,
but you know this would go to the seventh District
Court of Appeals in Amarillo, Texas, in West Texas. There
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are four justices on that panel. I'll give you one
guess where every single one of them went.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
To law school, though they went to Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Exactly, do we really think that that this that this
decision is going to get changed by that court, No,
exactly Exactly. Soarsby doesn't need to win this case, he
just needs to run off the clock, and it seems
like that's what's going to happen here.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Is there a scenario where whereby he plays the season,
the appeal is still heard, the court rules in favor
of the n C Double A, and then Texas Tech
is role to have retch actively used an athlete who
should have been ineligible and then have to suffer the
consequences of that.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Well, you can't, I get you're you're talking about in
terms of vacating wins and vacating things that happen while
they have soores me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I suppose that said, if they're using a player that
you know, a court has deemed eligible at the time,
and under this order, the n C Double A and
the conferences are powerless to stop him from playing. I
don't see how they could strip everything if they are
powerless to keep them off the field at the time.
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But you know, we keep being surprised with every ruling
and everything that comes out every day, So who knows.
But I would certainly be surprised if what happens in
the field is later stripped, given that you know, this
judge is allowing him to play, and they have they
have to abide by the order barring bar and the
injunction being shot down. They they truly seem powerless here.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
There was the Charles Bettiaco story, the guy who sued
for eligibility in Alabama. He ended up getting eligibility, he
played in a handful of games, and then he was
later declared ineligible, so that whole process went down pretty quickly.
Could something like that happen here?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's possible. If the NCAA wins their appeal, they're asking
for it to be accelerated, but there still has to
be appellate briefs made by both sides, like the oral
arguments as well. I mean, the courts, you know, they
understand the time mean of this here and if he
takes the field and this is all a moot issue.
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So yeah, I'm sure they probably will get a decision
in before the season, but it's up to whether the
NCAA wins that decision or not. And you know, you're
going to be going into a court in West Texas
with Ford Texas Tech long long justices, and you know,
we'll see what those odds are at the end of
the day and what plays out. But I think I
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think our sensibilities are in the right place there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yes, yeah, no question. Attorney's store tubed Penrose from the
Manilo Law Group. So precedent is a term that's always
used when we talk about, you know, significant legal cases.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So what precedent has been said here?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
If I'm a student athlete and I decide, you know what,
I'm going to make some wagers that prior to this
ruling I would have assumed would make me ineligible if
I'm caught. Now, can I go ahead and do them
and use Brendan Sorosby's argument that, hey, for my mental health,
I should be allowed to continue playing. What President has
been said here?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Legally? How can you say that President isn't said, I mean,
it certainly is here. Who's to say that anything doesn't
go at this point? Yes? Absolutely, you could foresee other
athletes doing the same thing. And you know, using mental
health is as a weapon to evade, to evade any
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form of responsibility or any form of punishment for your actions,
and that from from everything I saw on everything that
I read, seemed to be the defense here that, hey,
you know I have a mental health condition and you know,
therefore I should to be responsible for my actions. And
it seems that that's what the court went along with
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with this, And you know, how can we possibly say
that that press of them isn't said for others to
do the same thing? Absolutely, I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You know, for me, like I read his attorney's case
that well, this would have caused irreparable harm, and I
believe that. But isn't that the point behind a punishment,
whether it's in a court or even at your workplace.
Isn't that the point of punishment to provide some harm
to the person who's being punished.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Absolutely, I mean you no. We talk about the NC
double A in some some way, shape or form every
week on here because it's always interesting different things that
come out to challenge the NC double A and their
rapid downfall is interesting. And there are a lot of
legitimate reasons to dislike the n C double A and
want to root against the NC double A, you name him.
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There's a million reasons for it, but not this one,
not this one, and everybody's everybody's minds are exploding. You
know what we're hearing about schools and saying that we
will not play Texas Tech in any sport, the big
twelves and meetings with your market, all the ads today
and he's not publicly divulging what's being said. But you know,
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schools and administrations are lived over this. If you can't
even a pull punishments for gambling, what's left at the
end of the day. You know, because the sports college
sports are being run by a by district judges that
are making, you know, rulings that that hamp down on
anything the NC double A wants to do. And you know,
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it's one thing when you're talking about, okay, there's a
Trinidad shambles, an old miss in an extra year for
a medical red shirt, okay, whatever. Honestly, even talking about
the NBAG League players coming back and getting color jembilogy
seems innocuous compared to this, well said mine just keeps
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getting moved and moved. And you know, yesterday it just
showed that there is no line. It's hard to say
that there.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is there's no line. An organization that can't enforce its
own rules is not a legitimate organization. And so I
guess the basic takeaway that so many of us had
is we've seen the NCAA take so many losses in court,
and so it's legitimacy has already been brought into question.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
This kills it as far as I'm concerned. Oh, it
kills it.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I mean a couple of things here. I mean, for
your first and foremost, the integrity of it. How can
we watch a game right now, a college game, and
trust that we're watching legitimate competition. You have players that
are that are playing bets, that are allowed to go
back and play as if nothing ever happened. How can
we trust that that's going to be in the back
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of your mind anytime you want printing swords? We throw
pass And let's be honest here, I am sure he
is not the only college athlete that has been betting
or will be betting. How do we How do fans
trust the integrity of what they're watching? But on the
flip side model, you know, people are living over this
right now, and you either have to fight or die
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sometimes and it really feels like one of those moments,
and you know, maybe this will be a watershed moment
that can help get Congress to ask to act on this,
to get something to help Teles Sports survive in some
real meaningful way. You know, if not this, then what
could bring this forward? And you know, hopefully something good
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can come out of this long term. As ridiculous as
that sounds looking at the last thirty four hours.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I hope so. Attorney Steward WD.
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Speaker 2 (31:58):
From the UC Hills. Game four is tomorrow, san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That game last night was all about the Spurs, and
you tip your hat sometimes. Wimbin Yama was terrific. San
Antonio's defense in the second half was phenomenal. I thought
they took the Knicks out of a lot of what
they wanted to do in the half court. New York
was very complicit in its own demise. Mikal Bridges, nothing Burger,
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Landry Shammitt, nothing Burger, Karl Anthony Towns in the fourth quarter,
nothing Burger. I try to be consistent in life, usually
with no success, but I'm consistent in sports in this
one regard. I don't have a lot of tolerance for
people just belly aching about officiating. There were two calls
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last night that went again, there were non calls that
went against New York that I didn't like, but I
thought it was a really, really physical game. They let
them play. The game was not decided by officiating. San
Antonio got to the free throw line more because they
were more aggressive, and the Knicks were starting their offense,
you know, forty five feet away from the basket and
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not attacking at all. And when that's the case, you
get rewarded for driving into the paint. You get rewarded
for throwing the ball into the paint. You don't often
get rewarded with a ton of free throws by just
settling for jumpers. And so I I actually feel a
little bit more at ease today as a Knicks fan
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than I did going into yesterday. There was just something
about the vibe that I didn't like. Now, I don't
think that affected the team. I watched this team all
season long. I think they're mature. I think they're professional.
I don't believe they got too far ahead of themselves.
But a lot of fans did, a lot of people
who cover the NBA and cover New York did, so
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maybe the atmosphere will be different. I felt like because
of the circumstances surrounding the game, the crowd in the
fourth quarter sounded a little spent. But that game last night,
to me, was about the best player on the floor,
the best player in this series being the best player
on the floor, not making critical mistakes late and when
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the game got tight and tough, san Antonio defended and
played aggressively, and the Knicks did not a little bit
too Brunson oriented. I just didn't like how their offense
flowed last night, So I said, coming into the series,
I thought it was close to a coin flip. I
think it's a coin flip now. I believe the winner
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tomorrow night wins the series. I still feel, Okay, we
haven't had an NBA Finals in my recollection, and this
is easy to look up where the road team has
won each of the first four we've had playoff series.
I think we had one a couple of years ago
between Denver and Minnesota where the road team won each
of the first six. So you know, history is slightly
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on New York side tomorrow. But if that version of
Wenby's shows up, and that version of San Antonio's defense
shows up, New York's gonna have to make some significant adjustments,
and they have after a loss in the playoffs, just
not against the team the caliber of the Spurs, Brendman
and Jones on baseball is next Hey, it's small Egger
All right, these Cincinnati Bengals keep doing very un Bengal
like things.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Cincinnati Reds keep doing very Reds like things.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And we will talk more about Brendan Soresby with our
sports legal expert, attorney Stearge W. Penrose from the Minila
Law Group. He joins us in thirty minutes. Reds lose
to the Padres because they can't field a bunt last night.
Five consecutive losses. We'll get to that in just a second.
Bengals news, two things, both good, neither necessarily earth shattering,
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but Ian Rappidport of ESPN reports Bengals and Joe Burrow
have agreed to a contract restructure that'll give the Bengals
about ten million dollars in a salary cap wiggle room
moving forward. And I think the big takeaway is more
than anything, it's just it's another thing that the Bengals
historically haven't done that they're doing. And this is pretty
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basic stuff. Hey, create some financial wiggle We should all
be looking to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Use the tools at your.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Disposal that give you the opportunity to create some financial space,
some financial wiggle room, especially when the quarterback is publicly
saying like yeah, I'll do it. Bengals did it with
Joe Burrow. Can't recall anything like this. They've also signed
cash As Hall, and I saw some folks on social
media over the weekend wondering like, why haven't they gotten
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it done? And you know, let's be honest, after last year,
Shamar Stewart Circus, you were being reasonable if you wondered
any shot at anything resembling that. Well, he's under contract.
All of the Bengals draft picks are under contract. And
that's awesome. Some really good Bengals stuff. Brendenman and Jones
on Baseball a little bit later on this hour, Reds
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lose Last night. Meanwhile, the Milwaukee Brewers won maybe the
game of the year so far this season in Major
League Baseball, and you hate that the game was played
in a minor league ballpark in West Sacramento, but in
twelve innings, the Brewers beat the A's fifteen to fourteen.
Last night, Milwaukee scored two in the top of the
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ninth inning to tie the game. Both teams scored four
runs in the tenth. Brewers scored one in the twelfth
inning on a fielders choice that gave them the go
ahead run. They hang on to beat the A's fifteen
to fourteen. That's four consecutive wins for Milwaukee. The Brewers
are forty one to twenty three this season, with a
five and a half game lead in the National League Central.
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They are attempting to make the postseason for the eighth
time in nine years. Has it occurred to anybody that
it might make sense to look in that organization to
see if there's somebody you could hire here? You know,
it's funny. Nick Kral has been with the reds Sins
two thousand and three. Brad Mehder has been with the
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Redsins two thousand and nine. It has often been, not always,
but it has often been, and an organization that likes
to promote from within, not a whole lot of outsiders
in heavy decision making capacity. That occurred to anybody, like
if you were Phil Castellini, wouldn't you pick up the
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phone at some point call Nick Krawl, summon him to
your office and go, hey man, just wondering why are
the Brewers so good at what we're not? Like?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Why does this.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Smaller market team with limited financial resources that is constantly
losing really good players, why are they always good? And
I know the pushback I'm going to hear, mo, Come on,
they haven't made a World series. To watch him against
the Dodgers last year, show hey Otani the greatest game
of all time?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Game four? They swept him, didn't really come close. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Would you like the Reds to make the playoffs seven
out of eight years, eight out of nine years?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I would?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And if they did, I'd take my chances. Like wouldn't
you ask Nick Crawl if you ran the team? Like,
hey man, like, how come they have figured out how
to do in Milwaukee what we haven't quite figured out
how to do here?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I mean, it's cool that they got Terry Francona. Tito's
going to the Hall of Fame. I think Tino has
been a net positive here in Cincinnati. But I'm a
little bit more interested in how the Brewers work structurally
internally and how that could be applied here. And maybe
it's an oversimplification to say that you look at that
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franchise and say, like, is there somebody we can bring
here to Cincinnati that we could use to maybe emulate.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What they do a little bit?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Or if you don't want to make it about the
Brewers make it about the Tampa Bay Rays or the
Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And this was a big topic last summer because the
Brewers w ninety seven games and again, man like, I
get it. They haven't had a ton of October success,
but they've had more October success than the Reds because
they actually get there every year.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
There were lots of pieces written last.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Summer examining why the Brewers do this, how they do
this despite losing Willie Adamis and Corbin Burns and saying
goodbye to so many players and trading Willie Peralta like
they've lost a lot of dudes. Devin Williams now pitches
for the Mats and they're good every year. Let me
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read this paragraph from one of the pieces about the
Brewers last year. This is from Sports Illustrated. The Brewers
are an outlier exploiting a new market inefficiency knowing how
to play baseball. They obsess over little things, in part
because they generally do not pay for superstars who do
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big thing. Most Brewers make too little money and possess
too little service time to defy their detail oriented leader,
manager Pat Murphy, and the team's highest paid player left
field or Christian Yelich practices what Murphy preaches, inspiring his
teammates to do the same. Does that sound like something
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you would read about the Reds obsessing over little things.
They don't defy their manager. There's some accountability.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Here.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
This is another passage. This is from the athletic about
the Brewers. This is last summer. The formula this season
reflects the composition of the roster, a team with lackluster
power but superlative fundamentals. Murphy and the coaching staff emphasize
team wide execution. No hitter feels burdened with carrying the lineup.
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The offense places the opponent in a nine inning pressure cooker.
No team has been more valuable on the basis according
to Fangrafts, the development staff has created a pipeline of
pitchers who trust the organization's ability to guide them. The
players operate without the pressure of the big city microscope.
Any events sound like it could be written about the Reds.
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By the way, they're one in five now without Elie
Dela Cruz, one in six, sorry, one in six now
without Elie Dela Cruz. Let me ask you this, if
you were Ellie Dela Cruz with that, send your asking
price up. Wait a minute, me one guy on a
baseball team, and now we can't win a game without me. Really,
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By the way, the Brewers last year, you know what
they led baseball in games were every player got a hit.
Here that's a top heavy lineup where if one or
two guys aren't hitting, they don't score. Oh you might
not like the Milwaukee Brewer love.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Let's talk about the Tampa bay Rays, who I don't
necessarily love how they do everything because they never really
lock into anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But in a.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Division competing with the Yankees and the defending American League
champion Blue Jays and the Baltimore Orioles, the Tampa bay
Rays are tied for first place. They have the best
record in the American League. Do a search why are
the Tampa bay Rays always good? This is from a
passage on fangrafts dot com earlier this year. The Rays
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do a good job of finding players with skills that
the rest of the market isn't evaluating correctly. Does that
sound like something that would be written about the Reds
or the Guardians, the team that Tito used to work for.
If you're not necessarily paying attention to the American League.
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The Guardians have a game and a half lead over
Chicago and the American League Central. The American League Central,
as expected, not very good this year. The Guardians have
a negative run differential. But it feels like they're always
kind of in the hunt, doesn't it? If you do
a search, why are the Guardians good?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Every year?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here's a piece on ESPN dot com from earlier this season.
For years, the Guardian's backbone has been pitching with a
vaunted factory that turns out one capable starter after another
and allows the front office to ignore exorbitant free agent
prices or farm system sapping trades. Other teams have tried
to replicate their formula or locate their magic pixie dust
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on the black market, without success. The Royals even plucked
Brian Sweeney from Cleveland staff to serve as their pitching coach.
Any of that sound like something that would be riting
about the Reds, So like there's I guess my question,
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what are the Reds good at? I mean here like
stressing fundamentals? I see like identity comes up here with
the Brewers, same for the Guardians, same for the Rays.
Finding market inefficiencies, finding, identifying, obtaining, and developing slightly off
the grid players turning over stones to find hidden gems
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on a consistent basis. I read about Cleveland's unending pitching development.
What are the Reds good at? Baseball wise? I think
they're awesome at everything else the baseball franchise. That's good
at everything but baseball, Like, all right, they got Tito,
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that's cool. They got Ellie, that's neat. They got some
pictures that I could have drafted early, like Chase Burns
and Hunter Green and nicoladl As an organization, what's the
calling card, what's the identity?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
What is the thing they do well? It is sobering
beyond belief.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That years into this process of tearing the team down
and starting over and building toward the middle of the decade,
that you don't have an answer for me, And I
know you don't have an answer for me because I
don't have one for you.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
What are they good at sixteen after four?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know what the Bengals had been good at this
offseason doing Unbengally things, and what you can't help but
say right now about the relationship between Joe Burrow and
the Bengals coming up, plus Moron Soaresby and Brendanman and
Jones on Baseball This Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
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I heard radio.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Joe Burrow and the Bengals seem like they're cool with
each other. Not insignificant, right, Joe and the Bengals agree
to a restructure.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Bengals have a little bit more wiggle room. This made,
you might.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Argue, necessary because of the Dexter Lawrence trade. Joe Burrow
expressed earlier this offseason a willingness.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To restructure his deal.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Now, look, man, if this season goes sideways, your guess
is as good as mine as to what the relationship
between Joe and the team is going to look like.
But that's a conversation for November, December, January and maybe
maybe beyond. You and I both know and this is
this is part of the NFL's content machine that when
when the Bengals come up, Joe Burrow's future is a topic.
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I have seen posts on social media from like people
who cover this league, uh creating images of Joe Burrow
in a rams uniform, suggesting that he's going to be
the long term replacement for Matthew Stafford. They don't do
this with Lamar Jackson. They don't do this with Josh Allen.
They don't do this with other co who are under
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long term contracts. They don't do this with Justin Herbert.
So you and I both know, and to a degree
understandably so that there's this narrative out there that, well
Joe and the Bengals, is there complete harmony? There is
he gonna seek a way out? Is he gonna force
a trade? And like, this is why this season is
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so big, right, you don't want to tempt fate. We
don't want a fourth straight year not making the postseason.
We don't want another year where Joe is visibly not
very happy. But right now, you can't tell me that
there's any disconnect between the team and the quarterback. When
Number one Joe talked about a paramount offseason and the
things that he wanted to see the Bengals do. Now
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completely reasonable to wonder about linebacker. We'll see how that
plays out. I'm not yet to the point that I'm
convinced that Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight are ready to
make this leap, both collectively and individually. But beyond that, man,
the offseason has been terrific and the Bengals are doing
very Unbengal like things. The Dexter Lawrence trade like it is.
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I was having this conversation with somebody while watching the
NBA game last night because we were talking about the
night we found out the Bengals made the trade for
Dexter Lawrence, and I said, it's it's been a month
and a half and I still can't believe that they
did it. And by the way, for what it's worth,
one of the storylines from Mini Caamp and mandatory Mini
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Camp next week OTA is happening right now Dexter Lawrence's participation.
I believe he's been there like every single day. I
still can't believe they did it because it's something so Unbengally,
so Unbengals like. So is doing a restructure for your
quarterbacks contract remarkable? And maybe for other NFL teams this
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is just business as usual, and it is and it
should be here like that's I think where we all
want it to be, right. We want things that are
business as usual everywhere else to be business as usual
here and maybe with free agency, we're getting there. You know,
it used to be a free agency. It kind of
felt like we sat on the sideline watched everybody else
around the country have so much fun.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's changed.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Certainly was not the case this offseason because the Bengals
were active and the Dexter lawrence thing completely out of
left field if you understand anything about how the Bengals
have historically operated, and same for the Joe Burrow restructure.
But I think what you have to love about it,
above and beyond anything else, is.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you want.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
To hear the narrative about how Joe and the Bengals
may be headed toward divorce, there's no shortage of people
who will feed that narrative. People who are on the
verge of divorce typically don't cooperate with each other. Bengals
and Joe Burrow have cooperated with each other to get
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something done that has created some cap space. It's ten
million bucks, it's not like it's twenty five thirty, but
some cap space. And so I don't know, man Like,
we'll see if the season goes sideways, not just for
Joe Burrow, but all bets are off for a lot
of different things. Quite frankly, I think the bigger story
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is going to be about Zach Taylor and his long
term security. But if if someone wants to say to you, well,
not sure about Burrow and the Bengals, all you can
do is all you can do is use what's happening
right now, and what has happened this offseason is Joe
and the Bengals have cooperated. And two sides that are
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at odds with each other usually don't cooperate. We watched
it firsthand here right. They didn't get a deal done
with Trey Hendrickson, he asked for a trade. The two
sides were at total odds. There was no cooperation, and
it got ugly and it got weird and it got sideways.
You can't convince me that if Joe Burrow was thinking
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about an exit, that he's sitting down with the Bengals
and going, okay, let's look at this. And by the way,
there's some long term financial benefit to him for this,
So like, let's not say, let's not imagine that he's
not gonna come out very very good in the back end.
But I don't know, dude, if you if you hear
that there's a rift. I think you can point to
this as evidence that maybe that rift isn't necessarily there.
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By the way, really quick on the Brewers. I saw
this during the break, So Ellie Dela Cruz, Ellie Dela
Cruz worth to this team probably just went up over
the last week. He's he's missed every game since last Monday.
God knows when he's gonna play again. They've won exactly once.
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One thing that you could do to enhance your worth
is point to how indispensable you are and how everybody
struggles in your absence. If your Ellie Dela Cruz, aren't
you looking at the Reds going huh?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Without me?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
We can't win a ballgame with me. We have a
hard time winning ball games. And I'm having a great year,
Ellie de la Cruz. And free agency will become more
of a topic as the decade evolves. We've heard Nikrawl
talk about not signing Sal Stewart, and it's interesting. You
have a lot of folks who say, like, you know,
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that's just not willing to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Not yet. The industry trend is to sign.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Guys really, really really early and make some educated wagers
on young players in an effort to control their cost
and get them at what may be a bargain. Later
Earlier today, Jeff Passing of ESPN reports that outfield prospect
Luis Laara and the Brewers are an agreement on a
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seven year, thirty one million dollar contract extension that includes
three club options. The deal max is out at seventy
nine million dollars. He is twenty one years old. He
is dominating a triple A this year. This is the
second long term deal that Milwaukee has done this season
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with a player before his big league debut Cooper Pratt
eight years, fifty million bucks. He's still a triple A.
So is the other dude, Luis Laura. This is how
you keep your best guys. You make bets on them,
You sign them to hefty amounts of money, but that
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as their careers move on, end up turning into bargains.
You ask yourself, who are the guys most likely to
be here long term? Who are the guys we're most
likely to want to keep beyond those first six years
of team control? Who are the guys whose costs we
want to control? The Reds haven't done any of this.
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The Brewers the team they should be striving to be
did it twice? Brendan Soorsby is going to play college football?
What does this mean for the NCUBLEA. What can the
NCAA do? What can the Big twelve do? Our sports
legal expert joins us.
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Twenty seven from five. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Moegger,
Brendanman and Jones on baseball in just about twenty minutes,
sports headlines on the way. We can't talk about Brendan
Soresby without bringing in our sports legal analyst, attorney Steward W.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Penrose from the Manila Law Group.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
He has, I think over the last month and a
half this has become the Brendan Soresby segment, but always
provides expert analysis from a legal perspective, and kind of
not to join us as always because it's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
How are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Mo?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
We were texting yesterday morning as this was unfolding, and
I was I was surprised and most observers were surprised
that the ruling went the way that it did. I
gather that you were surprised as well. Well dive into
the nuts and bolts of it. But what was your
initial reaction when we saw yesterday's news.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
No, I had to double before test. You had to
double check my eyes to make sure that what I
was reading wasn't coming from a satire website. I mean,
this was a completely shocking ruling, you know, for gambling
has always been the cardinal centem sports when we live
in Cincinnati, I mean, need I say more? You know,
we've seen what the effects of gambling can have on
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an athlete, and here you have, you know, seeing me,
everybody on the same side except for stars being as
lawyers and one judge in Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So we've talked about some of these cases involving student
athletes who have sued for an extra year of eligibility,
but it did feel like there were a few basic
rules that the NCAA was still going to have the
legal power to enforce. What does this do for that?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I mean, it assumingly is the final nail in the
coff and it seemingly cuts the NCAA off at the
waistmo You know, if you have little to no consequence
for gambling and you can step back out in the field.
What's to say that you could be stopped from doing
anything that the NC double A can prevent you from
playing for anything. You've got a clear pathway that you
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can go find a judge. And I know that they
got a judge from Fort Worth that they didn't have
necessarily a local judge. But you can get a home
court there, and you know, seemingly get get a ruin
in your favor and get back out in the field,
and get back out and make your nil money. It's
hard to argue that you can't Right now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Is there anything the n C double A can do
from a legal perspective, Well.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
They're filing an appeal and they're asking for for for
a decision to be accelerated. I mean, let's be honest here,
mean appeals take time even if it's accelerated. You know,
how can they get that in before the season And
you know, not trying to say a judge is biased here,
but you know this would go to the seventh District
Court of Appeals in Amarillo, Texas, in West Texas. There
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are four justices on that panel. I'll give you one
guess where every single one of them went.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
To law school, though they went to Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Exactly, do we really think that that this that this
decision is going to get changed by that court, No,
exactly Exactly. Soarsby doesn't need to win this case, he
just needs to run off the clock, and it seems
like that's what's going to happen here.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Is there a scenario where whereby he plays the season,
the appeal is still heard, the court rules in favor
of the n C Double A, and then Texas Tech
is role to have retch actively used an athlete who
should have been ineligible and then have to suffer the
consequences of that.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Well, you can't, I get you're you're talking about in
terms of vacating wins and vacating things that happen while
they have soores me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I suppose that said, if they're using a player that
you know, a court has deemed eligible at the time,
and under this order, the n C Double A and
the conferences are powerless to stop him from playing. I
don't see how they could strip everything if they are
powerless to keep them off the field at the time.
(24:40):
But you know, we keep being surprised with every ruling
and everything that comes out every day, So who knows.
But I would certainly be surprised if what happens in
the field is later stripped, given that you know, this
judge is allowing him to play, and they have they
have to abide by the order barring bar and the
injunction being shot down. They they truly seem powerless here.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
There was the Charles Bettiaco story, the guy who sued
for eligibility in Alabama. He ended up getting eligibility, he
played in a handful of games, and then he was
later declared ineligible, so that whole process went down pretty quickly.
Could something like that happen here?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's possible. If the NCAA wins their appeal, they're asking
for it to be accelerated, but there still has to
be appellate briefs made by both sides, like the oral
arguments as well. I mean, the courts, you know, they
understand the time mean of this here and if he
takes the field and this is all a moot issue.
(25:44):
So yeah, I'm sure they probably will get a decision
in before the season, but it's up to whether the
NCAA wins that decision or not. And you know, you're
going to be going into a court in West Texas
with Ford Texas Tech long long justices, and you know,
we'll see what those odds are at the end of
the day and what plays out. But I think I
(26:07):
think our sensibilities are in the right place there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yes, yeah, no question. Attorney's store tubed Penrose from the
Manilo Law Group. So precedent is a term that's always
used when we talk about, you know, significant legal cases.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So what precedent has been said here?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
If I'm a student athlete and I decide, you know what,
I'm going to make some wagers that prior to this
ruling I would have assumed would make me ineligible if
I'm caught. Now, can I go ahead and do them
and use Brendan Sorosby's argument that, hey, for my mental health,
I should be allowed to continue playing. What President has
been said here?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Legally? How can you say that President isn't said, I mean,
it certainly is here. Who's to say that anything doesn't
go at this point? Yes? Absolutely, you could foresee other
athletes doing the same thing. And you know, using mental
health is as a weapon to evade, to evade any
(27:04):
form of responsibility or any form of punishment for your actions,
and that from from everything I saw on everything that
I read, seemed to be the defense here that, hey,
you know I have a mental health condition and you know,
therefore I should to be responsible for my actions. And
it seems that that's what the court went along with
(27:25):
with this, And you know, how can we possibly say
that that press of them isn't said for others to
do the same thing? Absolutely, I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You know, for me, like I read his attorney's case
that well, this would have caused irreparable harm, and I
believe that. But isn't that the point behind a punishment,
whether it's in a court or even at your workplace.
Isn't that the point of punishment to provide some harm
to the person who's being punished.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Absolutely, I mean you no. We talk about the NC
double A in some some way, shape or form every
week on here because it's always interesting different things that
come out to challenge the NC double A and their
rapid downfall is interesting. And there are a lot of
legitimate reasons to dislike the n C double A and
want to root against the NC double A, you name him.
(28:14):
There's a million reasons for it, but not this one,
not this one, and everybody's everybody's minds are exploding. You
know what we're hearing about schools and saying that we
will not play Texas Tech in any sport, the big
twelves and meetings with your market, all the ads today
and he's not publicly divulging what's being said. But you know,
(28:35):
schools and administrations are lived over this. If you can't
even a pull punishments for gambling, what's left at the
end of the day. You know, because the sports college
sports are being run by a by district judges that
are making, you know, rulings that that hamp down on
anything the NC double A wants to do. And you know,
(28:58):
it's one thing when you're talking about, okay, there's a
Trinidad shambles, an old miss in an extra year for
a medical red shirt, okay, whatever. Honestly, even talking about
the NBAG League players coming back and getting color jembilogy
seems innocuous compared to this, well said mine just keeps
(29:19):
getting moved and moved. And you know, yesterday it just
showed that there is no line. It's hard to say
that there.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is there's no line. An organization that can't enforce its
own rules is not a legitimate organization. And so I
guess the basic takeaway that so many of us had
is we've seen the NCAA take so many losses in court,
and so it's legitimacy has already been brought into question.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
This kills it as far as I'm concerned. Oh, it
kills it.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I mean a couple of things here. I mean, for
your first and foremost, the integrity of it. How can
we watch a game right now, a college game, and
trust that we're watching legitimate competition. You have players that
are that are playing bets, that are allowed to go
back and play as if nothing ever happened. How can
we trust that that's going to be in the back
(30:08):
of your mind anytime you want printing swords? We throw
pass And let's be honest here, I am sure he
is not the only college athlete that has been betting
or will be betting. How do we How do fans
trust the integrity of what they're watching? But on the
flip side model, you know, people are living over this
right now, and you either have to fight or die
(30:31):
sometimes and it really feels like one of those moments,
and you know, maybe this will be a watershed moment
that can help get Congress to ask to act on this,
to get something to help Teles Sports survive in some
real meaningful way. You know, if not this, then what
could bring this forward? And you know, hopefully something good
(30:53):
can come out of this long term. As ridiculous as
that sounds looking at the last thirty four hours.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I hope so. Attorney Steward WD.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Penrose from the Manilo Law Group, Uh, I know I
can trust you. If someone of my audience needs an attorney,
needs your help, how do they get a hold of you.
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Speaker 1 (31:31):
The Manila Law Group, our guy, our sports legal expert,
Attorney Steward W. Penrose, outstanding as always, looking forward to
next week already, thanks so much, Thank you absolute best
there is. It's a quarter to five. I'm oegger. This
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Speaker 3 (31:53):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
From the UC Hills. Game four is tomorrow, san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That game last night was all about the Spurs, and
you tip your hat sometimes. Wimbin Yama was terrific. San
Antonio's defense in the second half was phenomenal. I thought
they took the Knicks out of a lot of what
they wanted to do in the half court. New York
was very complicit in its own demise. Mikal Bridges, nothing Burger,
(32:28):
Landry Shammitt, nothing Burger, Karl Anthony Towns in the fourth quarter,
nothing Burger. I try to be consistent in life, usually
with no success, but I'm consistent in sports in this
one regard. I don't have a lot of tolerance for
people just belly aching about officiating. There were two calls
(32:48):
last night that went again, there were non calls that
went against New York that I didn't like, but I
thought it was a really, really physical game. They let
them play. The game was not decided by officiating. San
Antonio got to the free throw line more because they
were more aggressive, and the Knicks were starting their offense,
you know, forty five feet away from the basket and
(33:08):
not attacking at all. And when that's the case, you
get rewarded for driving into the paint. You get rewarded
for throwing the ball into the paint. You don't often
get rewarded with a ton of free throws by just
settling for jumpers. And so I I actually feel a
little bit more at ease today as a Knicks fan
(33:30):
than I did going into yesterday. There was just something
about the vibe that I didn't like. Now, I don't
think that affected the team. I watched this team all
season long. I think they're mature. I think they're professional.
I don't believe they got too far ahead of themselves.
But a lot of fans did, a lot of people
who cover the NBA and cover New York did, so
(33:51):
maybe the atmosphere will be different. I felt like because
of the circumstances surrounding the game, the crowd in the
fourth quarter sounded a little spent. But that game last night,
to me, was about the best player on the floor,
the best player in this series being the best player
on the floor, not making critical mistakes late and when
(34:13):
the game got tight and tough, san Antonio defended and
played aggressively, and the Knicks did not a little bit
too Brunson oriented. I just didn't like how their offense
flowed last night, So I said, coming into the series,
I thought it was close to a coin flip. I
think it's a coin flip now. I believe the winner
(34:35):
tomorrow night wins the series. I still feel, Okay, we
haven't had an NBA Finals in my recollection, and this
is easy to look up where the road team has
won each of the first four we've had playoff series.
I think we had one a couple of years ago
between Denver and Minnesota where the road team won each
of the first six. So you know, history is slightly
(34:56):
on New York side tomorrow. But if that version of
Wenby's shows up, and that version of San Antonio's defense
shows up, New York's gonna have to make some significant adjustments,
and they have after a loss in the playoffs, just
not against the team the caliber of the Spurs, Brendman
and Jones on baseball is next Hey, it's small Egger
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