6/10/26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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this afternoon in the five o'clock hours, so we are
looking forward to that. We'll talk about Joe Burrows contract
restrict ructure, what it might mean moving forward, and so
much more in the final hour of the show. I
cannot wait. Later on this hour, the co offensive coordinator

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at the University of Cincinnati. Nick Cardwell is going to
join us. We've got Wise Money Sports, We've got Bob
Huggins going into UC's Hall of Fame, and so much more.
Between now and six o'clock, I just pretty much previewed
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It's like a minute and twenty second long video. It's
not going to put you out all that much. Rad's
win last night, they played this afternoon. First pitch coming
up in about an hour. Brady Singer is going to
get the ball for Cincinnati. This team has a chance
to win a series on the road against a Padres
team that came into this series reeling, having lost eleven
out of thirteen games. I don't know about you. I

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don't know if you stayed up and watched. I don't
know if you gave up in the middle innings. I
don't know if you gave up in the ninth inning
last night. But from about the bottom of the third
inning on clear through the tenth inning, at no point
did it feel like the Reds were gonna win that
Baseball game last night. They did so in large part,

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not in soul part, but in large part to some
eleventh inning heroics by our guys Sal Stewart. Here's the
call last night in the Reds Radio network.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's Suey ready as he throws and Stuart wax one
to center field. It's well struck. Merrill going back, Merrill
looks up.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's gone. Sal.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Stuart watches it out of here to straight away center
field and the Reds have a five to three lead.
He gave it a long ride and he just got
it over the wall. And like we said, this time
of day, you've really got to tag it to get

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it out of here, and Sal did just that.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Tommy throw Red's Radio Network and seven hundred WLW last night.
Sal Stewart with one of the biggest hits of his
young career. One of the heroes last night. You'll talk about.
You'll hear him talk about his homer. He was not
the only guy to contribute to last night's victory. Blake Done,

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Blake Dunn's catch, you got that audio, Go ahead and
give me Blake Done selling himself out to save the
game last night.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And here comes the one zero pick swung on broken
batlooper short right center field, out goes the Royal. It
comes the right fielder head Steer lays out and makes
a spectacular headlong diving catch. It's done and right that
lays out to make the catch. Steer went into first
base when Meyers stayed in the game in center. A

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spectacular catch in short right field by Blake Dunn laying
out and saving the game for.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
The Red Yeah. Wonderfully described by Tommy on the Reds
Radio network in seven hundred WLW. That was one of
those plays where look, it's it's heightened because of when
it took place in the game. Eighth inning, two outs,
you got the go ahead run in scoring position on
third base. It feels like the game is about to unravel,

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and if San Diego scores, you've got to face Mason
Miller trying to tie the ballgame. You had to face
Mason Miller no matter what, in the top of the
ninth inning, and you saw why he's the most dominant
pitcher in the sport, at least relief pitcher in the
sport last night. But Blake Dunn's catch there was what
it meant. It kept the game alive. The degree of

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difficulty on that catch. I thought this watching the ballgame
last night on Red's TV. Was obviously a great catch.
It's a great diving catch. I'm not sure until you
saw it, maybe a second or third time, that you
really appreciated how much ground he had to cover. And
Blake Done is really fast, fastest sprint speed on the Reds.
Blake Done. There's been a lot to complain about. It

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goes without saying there's been a lot to complain about.
There's been a lot to make fun of. There have
been many reasons to be frustrated and angry. Give it
up to Blake Done like that's a guy who's gotten
a handful of chances, hasn't necessarily taken advantage. He's helped
this team with his bat, He's helped this team with
his legs. He's helped this team with his glove. There

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aren't enough guys who have helped this team. Blake Done
has taken advantage of the opportunity to help this team,
and he has helped it. Did it with his glove
last night, a terrific catch to keep the Reds alive.
Call it what it is. If he doesn't make that catch,
they're not touching Mason Miller, they don't win the game.

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Awesome catch. They got really good bullpen work last night.
This has been the most frustrating thing about the last
seven weeks or so, the bullpen work. It wasn't perfect,
but man, you played an eleven inning game where your
starting pitcher couldn't get through the sixth and you didn't

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allow a run beyond the stupid ghost runner. He's not
a ghost runner because he's not a ghost magic runner
in the tenth inning, like give it up to him.
It's often been asked, how does this get turned around?
And the answer is obvious. I'm not sure it happens,
but the answer is obvious. Good bullpen work. The Reds
are getting, on average, exactly what Chase Burns gave him

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last night, five and the third innings, which is the
league average. The red starting pitchers are giving the Reds
league average length, which means that on a nightly basis,
Tito is having to get eleven outs from the bullpen.
Last night, he needed to get seventeen, and he got

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him from Rockburg. Caleb Ferguson, Tony Santion, Sam Mall, tj Antone,
Zach Maxwell picked up his first big League save, like
that's that's that's what's gonna determine this, And there's like, yes,
get Elie de other Cruz back, hit more, find a corner, ralefielder,
get more production from a lot of spots on the field,

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get better starting pitching, get Hunter green back, like there's yes,
there's a lot there. By the way, they had to
use everybody, So Zach mccambley's been sent down, Chase Petty
is back up. Things got so dire last night. Tito
after the ballgame talked about Nico Lidolo coming up to
him and offering to pitch in relief. That's where things were.
Who knows where that game goes if it gets beyond

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the eleventh inning, if ever, there were a case, by
the way, and the only new rule change I despise
is the magic runner rule where we start extra innings
with a guy on second base. If there's ever an
argument for it, it's games like last night's where it's like, dude,
if San Diego ties the game in the eleventh, then
we go to the twelfth, like who's going to pitch

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the innings? But this is how it turns around. If
the Reds get better bullpen work. Now, you're being reasonable
and fair because this is where I am. I don't expect,
as currently constructed, this bullpen to be a bona fide strength,
and I'll acknowledge better when Pierce Johnson's available and healthy,
better when Amelia Pegan is available and healthy. But just collectively,

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it's not a very reliable group. I cannot rely on them,
neither can you. But if it does turn around, it's
going to turn around because of well games that look
like last night, where they don't make mistakes in the field,
they don't commit errors, they make some great plays in
the field, and they get a lot of tough outs,

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high leverage outs. By the way, it's worth mentioning like, yeah,
the Reds bullpen didn't give up a run. They gave
it's not an urn run in the tenth inning when
Antonin inherited the guy at second base. Everybody with the
exception of Zach Maxwell gave up a hit. And so
they were pitching in a lot of high stress, high

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leverage situations. If this turns around and this becomes a
season where the Reds actually accomplished something of note, it's
gonna be because the bullpen gives this team. More reliability,
gives this team more games that look like last night.
I am like you, I am completely skeptical that that's

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gonna happen. But if it does, if this gets turned around,
it's good bullpen work, certainly in the short term, but
it's a low ceiling team. Offensively, they're not great at
getting lengthd collectively from the starting pitchers. They're gonna have
to find ways on a consistent basis to get between
nine and twelve outs and do so without coughing up games,

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giving away leads, pitching the team out of games. It's
got a lot like it did last night, with some
help from the gloves last night, notably Blake Donn a
terrific catch that saved the game. And yes, I'll say
it maybe the season. You'll hear salth Stewart momentarily quarter

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I've gotten some pushback of my Brendan Soresby take. I'm

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the five o'clock hour, we'll talk Joe Burrows contract restructure.
What it might mean for the team this season, what
it might mean moving forward, what it might mean for
the grand scheme of life. sALS Stewart hit a big, big,
big home run last night. Sal's rookie season has been
mostly terrific. It hasn't been without struggle. He has scuffled

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for lar stretches of time where it feels like the
league is caught up to him. But he's got thirteen
home runs and the Reds have played sixty six games.
Hit a big two run homer last night. Here he
is immediately after Cincinnati's five to three extra innings victory
in San Diego with Jim Day on Red's TV.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Sow Stuart, how big of a moment was that for
you and particularly this team?

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah, you know, we've been having a lot of bad breaks,
you know, and it's been kind of a rough stretch.
But we're just trying to stick with you.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Sometimes I don't know why the man above gives us
the challenges that he does, but I trusted him and
I surrendered to him. Yeah, and it hasn't really been
going well for myself either. You know, I've been down
on a little stretch here and I've been hearing the
outside noise, you know, nice and they kind of motivated
me a little bit, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I sometimes you need a.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Little bit of that, and uh, we all hear the
outside noise, so it's nice to get a big win
like this.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, and on to tomorrow. You hunting a particular pitch.
I think you got a splitter that was left up.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
No, I was just looking for a good pitch of
hit and I got one.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Rounding the basis. Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
The emotion was pouring over into the duguy. What was
that moment for you? Is that type of a type
of sigh of relief? What's the elation?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Like?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Can you put it to words?

Speaker 7 (13:22):
More?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Just kind of a lot of frustration on getting let out,
and it was a big moment. I blacked out, you know.
And yeah, I've been I've been hearing what's been said
about me, you know, when I've been going through a
rough stretch. So it was nice to do that and
show that man, nothing but nothing's gonna phasee me. You know,
I'm built for this. I'm built to be in this moment.
Jesus gives me all the strength. Like I try to

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tell you guys, when I go good and bad, I
praise him all the time because he gives me all
the strengths. So I'm just happy that we got to win,
and I'm excited for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Sala Stewart with Jim Day late last night early this
morning on Red's TV. Sala is having a very good
rookie season. It has been a rookie sea that has
not been without struggles, and Sal referenced them and good
for him for mentioning them. He talked about hearing the noise.
He talked about seeing and being aware of what people

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are saying about him. Here's my question, with all the
different issues the Reds have right now, with all the
different issues the Reds have organizationally, who's that upset with
Sal Stewart? Do you wish every player would not go

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through long stretches where they don't hit?

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Sure, man, it would be awesome to be immune from
a slump. Very very very very very few are. In fact,
nobody is now If the noise is people acknowledging like
Sal recently, he's cooled off. Sal recently looks like he's
having a hard time with breaking balls. Sal recently at
times against tough, tough righties that get ahead in the

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count it feels like they've got them on a plank, Like,
I mean, that's that's fair. Like it's if you point
to what Sal's not doing statistically or is doing statistically
over a certain amount of time, that's not noise. But
beyond that, who doesn't like South Stuart On the list

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of things that for a thirty two and thirty four
baseball team you can be pretty happy about this year,
Sal Stuart might be at the very top of it.
And again, maybe it's just me. I think I have
company here, but he would be one of those dudes
that I would invest in right now. And it's not
that Sal is guaranteed to be a superstar. It's not
that the Red should sign him to a contract that

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makes him a Red for life. I think you have
to look at players through this lens, like who are
the guys who are most likely to be here in
three years? Sal Stuart is not alone on that list.
Maybe he's not at the top of that list, but
he's on it. And there ain't many the guys who
are likely to be here in three years. I think
you have to invest in because you want to control

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their cost. And yeah, man, you're gonna get burned. Sometimes
you're gonna get burned taking on some risk. The Bengals
took on risk this offseason. We're all about it. Do
we acknowledge the risk they incurred? Yeah, you may have
traded for a guy whose best seasons are behind him,
and you may have given up a chance to take
a guy in Caleb Downs who would have been cheap,

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cost controlled and really good for a while. But you
embrace the risk. There are certain risks worth taking. South
Stewart is one of those risks worth taking. I don't
know anybody who doesn't view him as one of the
core pieces. So I don't know what noise he's hearing.
Sometimes athletes love to make up, you know, these boogeymen

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like others noise out there. I don't know. I have
no idea. I don't claim to have my finger on
the pulse of everything. I certainly don't claim to be
an expert, but I do think for the most part,
I got a pretty good sense of, like who everybody's
on board with, who everybody's cool with, who everybody is
kind of leaving alone. South Stewart is one of those dudes.

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We're just leaving alone, he's going to go through slumps.
The problem when he does is the team hasn't been
good enough to withstand those slumps. Right now, they don't
have Elie de la Cruz and South Stewart has cooled.
Last night's to run home run notwithstanding, has cooled considerably.
It's a top heavy team ideally moving forward. You know,

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I mentioned this yesterday. I was talking about the Milwaukee Brewers.
No team in baseball last year had more games where
everybody in the starting lineup got a hit than the
Milwaukee Brewers. Like, what you're looking for is some degree
of lineup balance, some degree of depth. Obviously, you're a
ninth place hitter isn't going to be as good as

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your second place hitter. Your eighth place hitter isn't going
to hit as many home runs ideally as your fourth
place hitter. Like, not everybody's an All star, not everybody's
really good. Not every position's going to be filled by
the same person who plays it every single day. But
there does need to be enough balance that a guy

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like Sal Stewart in the embryotic stages of his big
league career is allowed a batting slump. The way they're
constructed Right now, sal Stewart's not allowed a batting slump.
God help them when J. J. Blina cools off and
they can't play without Elie de la Cruz. It's too
top heavy a team. What was so impressive about those

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first few weeks sal Stewart had this year was he
was not only putting up really good numbers, he was
carrying the team that needed him to carry the team.
Sal struggles recently have been amplified by the fact there's
nobody else to pick up the slack. That's not his problem.
It's the Reds fault that's got to be fixed. But

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good for him for his heroics last night. UH three
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at Madison Square Gardens Spurs and Knicks New York leads
the series two games to one, and the news from
the University of Cincinnati today Bob Huggins will be inducted
into the Cincinnati Athletics Hall of Fame. This will take
place on Friday night, October the twenty third, the night
before UC's football game versus Texas Tech. There will be

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more details and the rest of the fiftieth anniversary class
announced in the coming weeks. Overdue, this has been a
no brainer as far as I'm concerned. I think four
years ago maybe wrote a column for Bearcat Journal dot
com making the case, which is pretty much open and

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shut as far as I'm concerned. You're all time winning
his coach in any sport should probably be in your
school's hall of fame. A basketball coach who guides his
team to fourteen NCAA tournaments, takes his team to a
Final four, who's in the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame

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in Springfield? If he worked at your school for sixteen years,
he should probably be in your hall of fame. So look, man,
I say this all the time. I'm a body of
work guy, and I remember writing the column a couple
of years ago, and I didn't get a ton of pushback,
but I got some and it was you know, it

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was about the DUI arrest, and it was about you know,
the the black guy that that created for the school,
and it was about a lot of the controversies that
he was involved in. And I'm like, fine, man, Like
that's you could establish all that stuff, you can mention
all that stuff. The body of work is Hall of
Fame worthy. And you know, frankly, as much as I

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love UC sports and as deserving as all of their
Hall of famers in recent years have been the moment
he got to Springfield. It's not apples to apples, but
it's like a long time read not being in the
Reds Hall of Fame, but he's in Cooperstown. It would

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never happen. So congratulations to Bob Huggins. I know this
is an honor that has meant a lot to his
former players. The reality is this man, and like, is
he the greatest coach in U SEE history? It's debatable,
but there are a few figures more identified with UC
athletics than Bob Huggins. That is inarguable. And look, for

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those of us who are too young to remember the
early nineteen sixties, and too young to remember the late
nineteen fifties, but old enough to remember what it was like,
what UC basketball was like before Bob Huggins got here.
He is the reason, and I've said this on this
show before, he is the reason I became a UC
basketball fan. I'll tell it here really quickly because maybe

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it ties into the Nicks a little bit. But when
I was a kid, I became a UC basketball fan
because in November of nineteen ninety, Kentucky played UC. Kentucky's
head coach was Rick Patino. As a thirteen year old,
I didn't follow college basketball that closely, but Kentucky had

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my team's coach, so I decided I hate him. They
played Cincinnati. My dad and I watched the game. My
dad loved UK basketball, I knew nothing about UC basketball.
Kentucky won the game that night. I think it was
ninety five to ninety one. The game was played at
the Shoemaker Center, televised nationally by ESPN, and I remember

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falling in love with UC's style of play and the
maniac coach they had on the sideline. And while I
did not attend the University of Cincinnati, that's been my
favorite team ever since and I you know, I've often
maintained say which one about Brian Kelly. I'm a body
at work guy. There's a lot of folks who are
U SEE football fans to this day because of Brian Kelly.

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I'm a U SEE basketball fan because of Bob Huggins
and his teams have provided me with some of the
happiest moments of my life. And that is an era
that people still talk about, sometimes too much, that people
still cling to sometimes too much, but that people cherish.

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And there's lots of individual pl that are a part
of that. They're all still celebrated to this day. So
many of them are in UC's Hall of Fame. It
has never made any sense for their coach to not
be in UC's Hall of Fame. And one of the
arguments against that a couple of years ago was, oh,
come on, man, he's still coaching at West Virginia. Oh okay,

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I guess now. That hasn't precluded them from bringing him back,
like when they brought back the final four coaches in
twenty eighteen when the arena reopened. He should have been
a Hall of Famer a while ago. He's going to
be a Hall of Famer in October eighteen, away from

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four o'clock, speaking of you see, the co offensive coordinator
is going to join us.

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From the UC helping DL anymore, Captain, It's thirteen from four.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. U see football season tickets
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Cincinnati has new co offensive coordinators. One of them is
Nick Cardwell, entering is fourth season on the UC coaching staff.
Has been coaching the offensive line. He's gonna continue doing that.

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Kind enough to join us this afternoon. Coach, good afternoon.
How are you, oh, doing fantastic? Doing great so with
new responsibility. What has the off season been like.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Well, I think we've done We've had quite a bit
of unit meetings, just trying to get everybody on the
same page for what we do offensively. Anytime you bring
in a lot of transfer guys and you got some
freshmen that have come in as well, we all got
to get on the same page of what we're trying
to get executed up front and with the wideouts and
tight ends as well.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
All Right, you talk about upfront now in this day
and age of you know, twenty players, twenty five players
coming in in the offseason and lack of continuity. You've
enjoyed tremendous continuity upfront that will continue this year with
Evan Tegas, Doll, Taran Tayo, and Joe Cotton. It is
it's seemingly rare in this day and age to have that.
But how nice is that to be able to.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Lean on man? I tell you what what, We're truly
lucky and blessed to have those guys. You know, every
year you want to keep your best players, and every
year there's there's people trying to take your best players.
This is the new way of what college football is.
And so those three guys had ample opportunity to leave
and go somewhere else, but they know that we're building

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something special here and they're excited about this season and
excited to get some guys out there to watch them play,
and so they worked really hard. They enjoy being around
each other and the camaraderie and the development that they're having,
and so we're excited to have those guys back.

Speaker 10 (27:41):
But it's surely a luxury to us.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
To have them. What does that mean for guys who
are joining the.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Program, Well, it means leadership, somebody to look up to
and there and there's a standard. And what we try
to tell our guys is that the standard is inside
of you. Every single when you walk into that weight
room or you come on this field, you are carrying
the standard. And our thing on the offensive side of
the ball has been the standard over everything. And so

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for coach Saderfield, you know, for the team, but for
what we're doing as a standard, how we practice, how
we eat, how we take care of our bodies, all
the things that we do should be at a high standard.
And so you got to show They've got to show
these young guys, and they.

Speaker 10 (28:24):
Got to show these transfer portal guys what.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
It means to be a bearcat no matter where they
come from. I don't care if it's an SCS team
or an SEC team. They need to know how we
do things here and the kind of grit and toughness
it takes to play here.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
On the offensive side of the ball. What do the
new guys bring.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
I think we've got Kyle Lee, some explosive wide receivers
that have come in, especially JV. He does a great
job with the guys Isaiah who's a returner. And another
transfer kid who came in from Kent State who was
really really talented, Lorenzo Center, another great wide receiver who

(29:03):
does a great job for us. And this is what
we saw in the in the spring. In the backfield,
you got cold tab, you got your brown pain. Both
transfer guys, super smart kids. Obviously, they transferred in from
Stanford and UH and Notre Dame and then a returner
in Zion got and they had a tremendous spring as
far as understanding our system and and the great zone readers.

(29:26):
It says they run the football and UH JC does
a great job of distributing as well and at the helm,
and so we're excited for the guys, excited, you know,
to produce. We had a great year. We felt like
last year offensively, we went out there and scored a
lot of points and had a ton of explosive plays,
and so we got to continue to carry that out
throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
What do you like most about JC French?

Speaker 7 (29:48):
I like what I like most about him is that
he is a stable individual. He's going he's going to.

Speaker 10 (29:54):
Move the change.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
He can do some dynamic things with his arm, and
he can actually run a pretty good I mean he
ran well in the spring ball as well. But more
than anything, he's a great leader. But he's stables. He
knows how to just keep the ball moving. Just keep
the ball moving. And there may be some times that
he takes risks, but they're very calculated risks. And and

(30:15):
as as we all know, you got to take care
of the football, you know. I think last year some
of the turnovers got us in the late games, especially
in November, and so we want to make sure that
we're taking care of the football. And that's what he is.
He's a kind of kid that's going to take care
of the football, get us in the right play up front,
and be consistent day in and day out.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
What what are you allowed to do with the guys?
Now we're still, you know, nearly two months away from
fall camp, but you told me off air you're watching
guys run around? Are is that pretty much it? What
What are you allowed to do with the guys at
this point?

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Well, they'll do they'll do some running around, you know,
and these guys we get some time to do individual
work with them, So you get some some indie time
with them one on one, and then you know, doing
little individual drills with hand placements. You have plenty of
meeting time with them as well, and so you get
a lot of that stuff all summer long, and so

(31:07):
we're taking full advantage of it. I mean, I know
you've seen this. This new indoors great for our guys.
It's been a phenomenal. But it's a great tool to
be able to pull some guys aside and be able
to work a little bit of their individual and work
in their hands and combinations.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Having gone through it as a player, what are these
What are these weeks like for a freshman who's done
I'm sure a lot of stuff being thrown at him.
Go back to when you were a player, What are
those first few weeks like when you're on campus and
learning what it's like to be a college football player.

Speaker 10 (31:36):
Everything's happening fast.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
I mean, everything's happening fast.

Speaker 10 (31:40):
You're The biggest transition we.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Tell guys from high school to college is time management.
Your mom and Dad's not there to wake you up
in the morning. You've got to be in here. You
got Niko getting after you. Where all the coaches are
here making sure that you're doing what you're supposed to
be doing, and then you turn around and now we've
got to be at a class. Then you turn around, now
you got to go eat, And so learning how to
manage that time and really trying to manage any of the.

Speaker 10 (32:03):
Free time that you have. It's really not a ton
in using.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
That free time to help yourself get better, but it is.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It is a lot.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
It is. It is a lot of verbiage. It is
a lot of where's the woman's on my hands? Where
should I put my feet?

Speaker 6 (32:17):
You know?

Speaker 10 (32:18):
You know, what are we doing here?

Speaker 7 (32:19):
What does this term mean? How do I get lined up?
It is. It's a lot for these guys at one time.
But I feel like we've done a great job with
that because.

Speaker 10 (32:27):
When we started with the transfer Portal.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
System, you're getting new guys every year, and.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
So we kind of streamlined the system to.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
Where, hey, you're meeting here, then you're walking through this,
then you're executing this.

Speaker 10 (32:38):
In a team segment, then you're executing.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
This here here here, And so I think we've done
a good job of trying to get guys called up
to where the guys at have been here for a while.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Understand thing, do you have one or two things that
are at the top of your to do list for
one's fault camp kids here.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
I think multiple fronts for us upfront. We want to
make sure that we are sounds on those multiple fronts
on what's happening up front. As far as offensive line,
but I'd say overall as an offensive unit, the main
thing is it's going to be effort every single play.
Given great effort, you got four to six seconds every

(33:17):
play moving from point A to point B. How fast
can you get there? Can you do it with some discipline?
Can you get your depths on your route? Can you
give us extra blocking?

Speaker 10 (33:27):
And even through.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Springball man our wide receivers blocking on the perimeters is
the best I've seen in five years. And that might
not sound like a big deal to everybody. That's not flashy,
but you throw a ball out there and it's getting
blocked up, well, that thing's gone and that's another explosive play.
So the main thing for offensive unit is going to
be effort. It's going to be effort.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
What is it like coaching a unit, coaching an offensive
line without Gavin Gerhardt?

Speaker 7 (33:54):
You know, you start to I think, so you can't
replace a guy like that, tremendous leader on and off
the field, a guy that's got a ton of snaps,
that understands every single defense and the weaknesses. But he
also understands what we're trying to do with our play,
what every single play is trying to do, where we're

(34:15):
trying to hit the ball where it's trying to go,
and so how he communicates. It's hard to replace somebody
like that, but our guys have done a great job.
And what I've taught even when I was a player,
this is what I've always taught my guys. The through
sign of leadership is the ability to reproduce yourself. And
that's what Gavin has done. And guys like Tarn and

(34:37):
guys like Evan and in guys like Joe Cotton and
even exaber Losa Wiki you know, guys like Judea, Nolan, Ladelipe,
like the whole crew. And I told them, I said,
you guys are got a front row seat to seeing
a great leader day in and day out. Take notes,
pay attention to the little things. It's not just about

(34:58):
the way he plays the game, the way he cleans
the locker room. It's the way he interacts with the
wide receivers to make.

Speaker 10 (35:03):
Sure they're doing what they're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
It's every little thing, and so our guys have seen
that and off spring and even this summer we've seen
them stepped up. So we're excited for this season.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
I mean and not just that means defense is getting
after it now.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Kach Wie's doing a great job with those guys.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Sounds like it. I can't thank you enough. Always enjoy
talking to you. I'm sure I'll bother you as the
season gets closed, so I appreciate the time.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Man, Well, let's get these guys out here with Ho'll
watch these boys play them ball.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
You got it. That's Nick Cardwell, the co offensive coordinator
and offensive line coach at the University of Cincinnati. Coup
away from four o'clock, Reds and Padres are about to
get started in San Diego. We've got some Bengal stuff
to get to. Also, a statement by the Texas Tech
Athletics director on Brendan Soresby that I'll read most of

(35:53):
it to you. I'm not sure I have any problem
with it that coming up in the four o'clock hour
plus Why is My Sports? And Brenneman and Jones on
Baseball on ESPN fifteen thirty if you run a business,
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(36:16):
some of your money back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
My name is Moeger. Thank you for listening today. Can
I just pull back the curtains and let you in
on what I'm dealing with right now? And maybe this
will help if you over the last like five days,

(36:38):
have expected some form of email correspondence from me and
you haven't gotten it, I believe, and I'm I'm I'm
on this back and forth right now. I did not
mean for this to be the case while I'm on
the air, but I'm on a back and forth right
now with our company's help desk because I guess every

(37:00):
email I send, including some to people that I work with,
end up in either a spam or junk folder, and
so like this occurred to me early this week on Friday,
I sent emails to people for a variety of different reasons.
And the weekend came and went and I never heard
back from anybody. And then so Monday morning, I'm working

(37:22):
and I'm, you know, doing some show stuff, I'm doing
some other stuff, and I'm sending emails, and like, by
Monday night, I'm like, does everybody hate me?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
What does is everybody, like, you know, conspiring against me?
Do they know something I don't?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And then I sent my wife an email yesterday I
forwarded her something and I got home and I go,
do you get that email I SENTI? She's like no,
she goes on her spam and there it is. And
then I have a personal email address that I never use,
but I have access to it. I sent myself an
email and ended up in spam, and so I even

(38:01):
like this. This gentleman asked me to be on his
Bengals podcast. He send me an Instagram message, which, by
the way, I also didn't know until this weekend that
you can send people messages on Instagram if they don't
follow you, and I had no idea, Like, I look
at this, I'm screwing around on Instagram and I get
I'm like flooded with these messages from people that I

(38:22):
don't follow. And now it's like, well, here's even more
folks that I've ignored because I'm just awful of correspondence.
But this guy asked me, will you go on my podcast?
And I said, yeah, great, no problem, here's my email address.
Shoot me an email and we'll get it done. And
he shot me an email like instantly, and I wrote
him back. And then today he writes me it's like, hey, man,
you know I wroach and I'm like, so then I

(38:44):
had to go back to Instagram send this guy a
message and I said, hey, check your spam folder. I
wrote you right back, happy to go on your podcast.
I don't know why he or anybody else would want
me on their podcast, but happy to do it. Check
your spam. And so in the middle of all this,
late last night, I go to the iHeartMedia help desk

(39:05):
because I don't know how to fix this. I've looked
on the online. I've asked people that I know who
know a lot about computers. It's a company email address,
and you know, it's MO at ESPN fifteen thirty dot
com or mo it's seven hundred wlw dot. It's like
five different email addresses all go to the same place.
And I've even had some emails that I've sent to

(39:25):
coworkers that have ended up in their junk, so like
I've done something wrong apparently, And so like last night
at ten o'clock, I go to the help desk just
hoping that somebody could help me this morning, and they're
very busy. Lot, we have lots of employees. I didn't
hear back from anybody until right before three o'clock, and

(39:47):
I said, like, I'm a little bit busy for the
next three hours. And the person wrote me back and said, well,
I'll well do a remote session before six o'clock. So
I've got to do this radio show is going to
be here in studio of Brad Johansen, Wise Money Sports,
and all the while I get somebody who's got to
tap into my computer to figure out what's wrong so

(40:09):
I can send emails and so like twice this week,
I've gotten emails from folks and I, you know, some
of these I give to tarn. Some I just right back.
Two people who pitched pretty good guests this week. I
wrote them both back, haven't heard back. Went to spam.
We did the contest, and this is who I need
to appeal to. We did the contest for those three

(40:33):
organizations that help people who have als, and the five
winners get to go on a bourbon tasting tour. And
it's up to me to like organize a time and
date for these folks, and I've emailed them, and I've
heard back from one of them. Apparently the one guy
that I heard back from like checked his spam. So
these folks probably think like I'm ignoring them. So if

(40:53):
there's anybody out there beyond the person who's going to
tap into my computer to maybe fix my email issue,
who can give me some advice on how to ensure
that my work emails for my work address don't end
up in junk or spam. I'm all ears because this
is deeply, deeply frustrating. This is what I'm dealing with
while trying to conduct a radio program. Reds and Padres

(41:17):
are about to get underway in San Diego. We will
keep you up to date on that. I am looking
at a one two, three, four, five, six, seven seven
paragraph statement from Kirby Hocut, who is the director of
Athletics at Texas Tech. I don't know that I have

(41:39):
to read this, but the crux of it is, you know, hey,
we didn't fund Brendan Soresby's lawsuits. We you know we
we We're working with Brendan here on his therapy, on
his addiction issues. We're working on device monitoring. We we

(41:59):
care greatly about him as a young man, and we
want to make sure he conquers his demons, and that
matters more than x's and o's or any football stuff
right now. And you know he understands the frustration of
his Big twelve colleagues. The situation's really hard. There's no

(42:19):
perfect answer. The system we're operating in his binary, but
the situation is not. We're open to ongoing conversations. I
believe integrity essential to our industry's success. The integrity of
how we treated twenty two year old who saw it
help entered residential treatment and is working every day toward recovery.
Those things don't have to be in conflict. You can

(42:41):
go if you want and read the whole thing to yourself.
Kirby Hocut, I just wish this was I just wish
this is what a statement would be. Brendan Soursby can
help us win football games, and that's the business we're in.
Simple we believe, and we are helping to pay Brendan

(43:05):
Sorosby to win football games because we think he can
do that for us, and that is the business we
are in. I roll my eyes and I love college sports.
And I think some of the coolest people that I've
ever met are college coaches. Most of them do things
for quote the right reasons, but at the end of

(43:27):
the day, their most important function, really their only function,
is to try to win. The job of a football
coach is not to mold men. If they can do
some molding of men, terrific, But if they mold men
and go to and ten, no one's gonna care. Their
job is to win football games. The job of a

(43:50):
director of athletics is to oversee winning sports programs. All
you gotta say, all you gotta say, Look, dude, this
guy's eligible. He can play for us, He's under contract
to play for us. We think he can help us win.
If we win, we do our jobs. We make our
alumni happy, we make our boosters happy, we make people

(44:13):
with the program money. We're playing Brendan Soresby. If you
don't like it, tough, I am probably the minority here.
I would have zero problem with that when you start,
you know, telling me about the integrity and the integrity
of overseeing the care for this kid. If Brendan Soorsby

(44:35):
was the backup kicker and did the exact same thing
that Brendan admits to have done. Do we really believe
that the Texas Tech Athletic director would be sending out
a statement about the integrity involved in the caretaking of

(44:56):
a twenty two year old college football player He was
a gunner on the punt team, not making five million
dollars a more replaceable part. If he was a red
shirt freshman who had yet to play, was gonna be
lucky to even suit up this year. Do we believe
that they would be that concerned with his well being?

(45:18):
Maybe they would be. There's a very good chance they're not.
All you gonna do is be honest with you, man,
That's it. I do not look and I think most
sports fans are like me. Gone are the days where
I look at college coaches, college athletic directors for what
that's worth. As you know, these these carriers of integrity,

(45:39):
and you know, we get to abide by sportsmanship rules,
and we want to do what's right by the student athletes,
and we're really concerned first and foremost with how they
perform in the classroom, and we want to make sure
that they're upstanding young men who can contribute to society.
And we want to make sure they're best equipped to
enter the workforce when they're done, and we really want

(46:00):
to mold them into young men and women who are
ready to contribute to greater American society when they're done here.
I am not a believer in any of that stuff,
because none of that stuff is under the umbrella of
what's most important for a college coach, an athletic director,
a sports program, and an athletics department. The job at

(46:25):
Texas Tech for the football coach is to win. The
job for the a D at Texas Tech is to
best ensure his coaches can win. If Brendan Sorosby helps
them accomplish those things and they say so, awesome, great,
no issue with it. And I cannot be more clear
about this. We've talked about it a ton because it

(46:46):
is a fascinating story. Brendan Soresby, as far as I'm concerned,
should not be allowed to play now. I also believe,
and some of you got mad at me for saying
this yesterday, I also believe, like, all right, this is
a This is one of college football's biggest storylines. Sports
are about storylines, Sports are about characters, Sports are about

(47:06):
plot twists. This is a storyline Brendan Sorosby's a villain.
There could be more plot twists. Brendan Soorsby playing college
football is more interesting for college football than Brendan Soorsby
not playing college football. I think that's almost inarguable. But
I just where you lose me is the seven paragraph

(47:28):
justification and mental gymnastics you have to put yourself and
your reader through trying to convince them that you're acting
in the best interest of the student athletes well being
and mental health. If Brendan Soorsby was the third string punter,
I'm guessing nobody would be concerned about his mental well
being and mental health. But he's a quarterback and a

(47:50):
good one, and a highly compensated one, and a guy
who's played in the Big twelve before and a guy
who may play in the NFL, and better than any
alternative on their depth chart. He can help them win.
Just say, dudes available, we can win with them game on,
let's go. I am probably now speaking for the minority.

(48:13):
I'd have no issue with that. College coaches are paid
to win games. That's it. That is it. The molding
of young men, the ensuring that they get a degree
and get it done in the classroom. Nobody cares, dude.
Nobody cares. If if Scott Saderfield molds a bunch of
great young men and goes four and eighth this year,

(48:35):
no one's gonna care, dude. Just say it. We got
we gota. We got boosters to make happy. We've got
people to make money for. We've got tickets to sell,
We've we've got suites to fill, we've got donations to get,
we've got nil money to raise, We've got fans to
make happy. We can't do that if we go seven

(48:57):
and five. We've got to cant for Big twelve championships.
We've got to play in the College Football Playoff. We
have a better chance of doing that with Brendan Soresby
and the rules allow him right now to play. To
the guys playing, don't like it, tough one, that's the statement.
Make that statement. May make you angry, may not like it,

(49:18):
may still believe that Brendan shouldn't play, But that level
of transparency and honesty I think is admirable and would
be refreshing. That's the statement I want to read from
the Texas Tech Ad. It's the same when it comes
to any proer college team that employs a player who
gets in trouble off the field or off the court. Like,

(49:39):
guy can help us win? Man Like, we think he's
better than the alternative. We're here to win. You can
pine for a day where maybe our priorities were a
little bit different, but those days are gone. I mean
they've been gone for a very long time. Just say it,

(50:00):
this guy can help us win. If the Texas tech
ad would just say that, I NodD along instead of
like reading this and go, okay, did a I write this?
Which team of attorneys wrote this? Who you trying to
win over with this? Like? Guy can help us win?
We can win. Brendan Sorosby's eligible. We're playing them. Don't

(50:21):
like it tough? Twenty after four Brady Singer on the
hill for the Reds bottom one. Reds and Padres are scoreless.
We will keep you up to date throughout the course
of the afternoon. Why is money sports coming up? In
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(51:03):
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Speaker 1 (51:29):
From you see the nice throat of the plate to
a nail Manny Machada to end the bottle of the
first inning. Padres up on the Reds one nothing, Cincinnati
batting top two on getaway Day. Brennman and Jones on
Baseball coming up about twenty five minutes, Paul Dayner Junior
in the five o'clock hour, Wise Money Sports. In just
a few moments, we got to come up with the

(51:51):
pole question as well. On Twitter at Moegger right now, Mike,
go ahead, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, I got
about four minutes. Go ahead, you can have him.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Thanks, Ma. Let me turn this thing down real quickly,
because I never know when you're gonna hit you know,
hit me, Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Go, yes, all right.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
I want to congratulate Hugs on his distinguished honor today. However,
there's a gentleman that never gets any recognition named Ed Jucker,
who had a seventy nine and nine record at the
University of Cincinnati, took him to two NCAA championships over
Ohio State, lost in overtime the wayola Chicago on a

(52:36):
buzzer beater, And I think that guy deserves a little
recognition from time to time.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Well, he's in the school's Hall of Fame, he's in
the Ohio Basketball Hall of Fame, and everybody knows that
his team's won two national titles. What other recognition would
you like for him to get? Also the court also.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
I guess, go ahead, no, I you know, I guess
I just never hear about it. And that's understandable because
it's been so long. But sometimes when I reflect to
see when when I was a youngster, that was a
big deal. So I have to realize that now it's
not a big deal with people.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
No, I mean, it's it's a it's a big deal.
Those those those teams accomplishments occurred over sixty years ago. So,
I mean the the court is named after Ed Jucker
at U. See, I I don't know what other recognition
you're looking for.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
I guess I just wanted to shed some light on
him as opposed.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
To just no issue with doubt whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
And uh, it's really ironic because he was a he
was a United States Merchant Marine Academy graduate. Ed Jucker
just like the Lake Gift Prosser.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's pretty cool. Yeah, and he was also the UC
baseball coach, also coach the kid. He also coached the
Cincinnati Royals.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
Yeah, he did for a brief time. He sure did well.
I'm saying right now, I think the White sow might
be better than the reds.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I think you might be right.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
I just just look at it. I mean, it's kind
of it's kind of obvious this team.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Though.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
If this team makes the playoffs, I'll eat my hat.
I just don't see it happening, though. I just don't
see it happening.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Well right now, No, no.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
I loved your the beginning of the show when you
were talking to Tony's Oh yeah, let's wait till the
also break.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's the same every year. It's it's the same every year,
And I don't I don't know how in when you
look at the composition of their remaining schedule, the difficulty
they've had so far and beating NL Central teams and
that's that's largely concentrated on one opponent. But still when
you look at how bad their bullpen is, when you

(54:52):
look at who they don't have because of health, and
when you look at the built in deficiencies on their roster, like,
I don't know how you can conclude that they're likely
to be a postseason team.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
I don't either. It's sad, but but you know, we're
used to it now, get used to it.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
We are, we are used to it. But I think,
like you know, and I've I've talked about this a
lot this week, I think it was reasonable three years
ago to get excited about the direction that it felt
like the Reds were moving in. And I think three
years ago, when you looked at the established you know,
young guys who had been here for a year, Hunter Green, Nicolodolo,

(55:31):
Graham Ashcraft, and you were seeing what was being added
to that mix, which was Andrew Abbott and Elie de
la Cruz and Matt McClain, and you know, even later
that year, Christian and Carnassi on Strand and Noel ve Marte.
I think then it felt like, all right, there are
gonna be some really good times coming here pretty soon.
And I think based on how we felt three years ago,

(55:54):
the fact that they still haven't advanced in the postseason,
the fact that they've barely won more and they've lost
during that stretch and are sitting below five hundred, with
some of the same consistent themes popping up again and
again and again and again, like are they buyers or
are they sellers? I can only speak for myself, Mike,
I think that's profoundly disappointing.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
It is.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
It's almost to the point where it's lappable. I mean
a a in a kind of a dark way. You know. Yeah,
it's sad, but it's it's anyway, all right, let's get
to the meat of the potatoes here. Game five or
Game four, I'm sorry tonight, I'm really curious your opinion

(56:38):
on this. The Spurs had the sixth Man of the
Year award on the bench, Keldon Johnson from the University
of Kentucky. I might add six to five about two
hundred and thirty pounds. You don't push him around too easily.
During the season, he averaged almost fourteen points a game
for almost six rebounds a couple of assists. In the

(57:01):
In the finals, he's averaging seven points, uh, rebounds and
maybe one assist. I just wonder why Mick Johnson's not
using him more.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
But likes the other players more.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Well, I know that, but I just don't understand if
you have the sixth Man of Year because we keep
talking about how great the Knicks benches, Well, the Spurs
bench isn't exactly Chop Liver.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I think the Knicks bench is deeper, but uh no,
it's not Chop Liver. I think Mitch Johnson wants to
roll with his starters more. I think he wants to
roll with quicker players more. I think Kelton Johnson's playoff
production leading up to the Finals head dipped to the
point that he's he's lessened his minutes. I don't know

(57:53):
if it's the right strategy or not, but yeah, I
mean his his production from the regular season to the posts.
He was deserving of the six Man a Year award.
You're not going to find any argument for me there.
But he didn't maintain his level of production of the
postseason relative to what he was doing for them in
the regular season.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Yeah, I have to look at the minutes. So I
didn't get to look and see what his minutes or
whether Johnson Kuls actually cut his minutes, which would contribute
to the h lesser production. But so, how are you
going to beat him tonight?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
So I think I think here's what has to happen.
I think they they got to take Brunton off the
ball a little bit. He has dribbled the ball in
the first three games eleven hundred times. That's four hundred
more times than anybody else in the series. So I
think you got to take him off the ball, which
means you're going to have the ball in Kat's hands
a little bit more. So that's going to do what

(58:48):
they were able to do in Game one, which is
pull Wemby a little bit away from the basket and
allow Kat to be a facilitator. I think folks are
focusing too much on the point total, which obviously would
be great if he would score, but if they're at
their best when he's passing out of the high post,
top of the circle elbow area, top of the three
point line, somewhere and there. That's when their offense went

(59:09):
in the hyperdrive. I think they've got to get into that.
I also think it's imperative. They haven't gotten off to
a fast start in any of these games, and I
think because of that, Mike Brown is a little bit
too afraid to play Mitchell Robinson when his team is trailing,
and I get it to a degree like they're gonna
hack him, He's gonna go to the free throw line,
and you can't afford empty possessions when you're losing. I

(59:31):
think they have to get off to a good start
so that Mike Brown is willing to play Mitchell Robinson
a little bit more to give kat a better chance
of being fresh in the fourth quarter. Because he's working
really hard on defense. Now he's playing against Victor Webbin Yama,
so a lot of those efforts are going to go
for naught. But the disappearing act in the fourth quarter

(59:52):
I think can be partially attributed to the fact that
he's being asked to do so much and he's playing
too many minutes. If you're winning early and you're more
comfortable spelling him for Mitchell Robinson. I think you better
have you have a better chance of getting the cat
you need in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I think you're right, because Cat's not a kid anymore.
He's almost thirty. I think Bunch is around thirty, So
that that is one advantage I think the Spurs do
have regarding their use because those guys don't seem to
get real tired. Wemby does, but the other guys don't
seem to get that tired. And that's no, I ab
normal if you're twenty one or twenty two years old.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Right, No, Yeah, I mean I think the rest advantage
the Knicks had bore itself out in the first game.
I think it's been negated since I do think this.
I heard this on a podcast this morning, and I
think I have the number correct. I believe in the
three games when Wemby has been off the floor, San
Antonio is only minus eleven, so obviously they're being outscored.

(01:00:55):
But I thought on Monday night the Knicks that a
terrible job of taking it advantage when he was on
the bedge, and I thought Mitch Johnson did a really
good job of using timeouts and challenges to never take
Wemby off the floor in the fourth quarter when he's
not in the game. The Knicks must outscore San Antonio
by her relatively decisive margin. I get a run man, Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
So much, Thank you all. Good luck tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
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Wednesday we talk sports and business with one of the
experts from Omegawealth Private Capital. Brad Johansson is with us today.
I'm gonna focus on the World Cup and really the
World Cup from a business Oh, this is soccer, This
is soccer. World Cup. You and I love this soccer thing. Yes,

(01:03:07):
I like the World Cup. I like rooting for the
United States. Okay, so why different for the World Cup?
Easier to follow? It's tight in a very tight window. Okay,
you know, but that's true, right, like you go to
a place to watch a game, everybody's for the most part,
rooting for the United States. There's a patriotism angle there,
like it's it's the best players in the world, but

(01:03:29):
the United States doesn't compete. But that's the thing. I
think that's what we like about it. We're underdogs, we're
not supposed to win. I love basketball more than anybody, right,
but like Olympic basketball, we're supposed to win. When we do,
nobody cares. Right, hockey, we won, so everybody got excited.
Soccer we're not going to win the World Cup. But
I think we love the fact that it's one of

(01:03:50):
the few sports on a global scale that we play
where we're not supposed to win. I think that sucks
a lot of us. Is this gonna helpmically or is
it gonna be I don't know a bust. Is this
overhyped From a business perspective in the United States and
North America, I'm not sure I can answer that. The

(01:04:11):
ticket prices are insane. Ticket prices are insane.

Speaker 11 (01:04:14):
So if you love soccer, this is the If we
love shoot I can go back to your Nicks on
just the price of tickets for NBA finals on something
like this. But we talk about the global phenomenon of
this World Cup, and I've talked to people who are

(01:04:34):
soccer lovers Internationally, I don't think you can overhype this
because when I watch the psychotic nature of people who
follow their soccer teams, they will spend anything to do this.
So economically, internationally, I think it's good. This is probably

(01:04:56):
another one of those down the road type of things
for FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
It is.

Speaker 11 (01:05:06):
Getting people in love with the game so that they
will become lifelong fans. I think is probably part of
the money part here. Is it going to be that
big around this country? I don't know Economically. I mean,
if you're going to watch a game in a city,

(01:05:29):
your hotel prices are going to be ridiculous. Food is
going to be ridiculous. Anything that you have event wise
is going to be ridiculous. I think soccer is building
this around next year, five years, ten years from now.
The hype, though, is going to be directed in the
cities that these games are in. I'm not sure whether

(01:05:52):
or not there's a financial gain immediately from MLS cities
including Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, I've read about like what Kansas City is doing
for the World Cup. They get World Cup matches. That's
a soccer crazy city. I've read about Los Angeles, and
I'm sure there's going to be an impact there. I
just I remember the ninety four World Cup, right, which
was in the United States. I do not remember the
ninety four World Cup, and coincidentally, the Knicks were in
the NBA finals, so I thinks had come full circle.

(01:06:23):
But what I remember about it was is it felt
like it was accessible to people. Felt like it was
you know, and the economics have changed, right, but still
a big time that. Frankly, the country felt a little
bit more welcoming to people from other parts of the world, amen,
and it felt like that was something that you know,
a middle class person could access. The FIFA World Cup

(01:06:45):
this year feels like something for elites well, and so economically,
I'm sure there's going to be an impact, but it
does feel like it's stiff arming a lot of regular
soccer fans as opposed to what we had thirty years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:06:56):
All right, well, compare it then. How much would you
pay to go see the Knicks in the finals?

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
And you love the next I do? How much would
you pay to go to that game? I'd pay a
lot of damn money. You would.

Speaker 11 (01:07:14):
So if somebody said I got two tickets for you,
and it's four thousand dollars a ticket, and you and
your wife can go, it's just one game. Remember in
your lifetime you may never see the Knicks in the finals.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Four thousand dollars for one ticket, yeah, I would spend. Now,
I could seal it, I could stay with my brother.
I'd be okay, and that would be worth it to you.

Speaker 11 (01:07:36):
Yes, okay. So you compound that with soccer. Soccer fans
will pay way more than that if your value is
on feeling. This is where we talk about so financially,
we talk about risk tolerance and risk capacity. What's your tolerance?
My tolerance is four thousand dollars for a ticket. I

(01:07:57):
could spend that and I'll let that come out of
my account. But can your account handle that? You may
not really care whether your account can handled because you
feel good about going to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
But for me, like let's say it's four grand that
would come at the expense of something like that, there
would be something that I then that you can't do
because you're spent four thousand dollars. Just be four thousand
dollars and there's no change like there would be things.
I got a spring training every year with my buddies,
which might not be baseball, so might not have it anyway,
Like I would then say not going to Arizona or

(01:08:30):
other things that I'm planning on doing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:32):
Think you're disciplining your finances. People, people who are crazy
about their teams are not disciplining their finances.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
They're going I just feel good about I want to go.
I'm gonna go where you're gonna get the money.

Speaker 11 (01:08:43):
I'll take a loan out, I'll put it on my
credit card at what rate? Eighteen point four percent, and
I'll pay that back later. The idea is, if you
hype it enough, if you create love enough, people will
pay whatever because it may makes them feel good. And
that's when we have problems with finance.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
See, this is how disciplined I am. I saw the
Bengals in the Super Bowl, how much eighteen hundred dollars
and was willing to do it. Oh sure, now I
had a credential, but like I wanted to hug my
buddies when the Bengals won the Super Bowl. Yeah, and
I remember telling my wife, I'm paying for the ticket,
but then later that summer no golf trip.

Speaker 11 (01:09:23):
So like it was all right, you're rare that you
discipline on the other end.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
So I learned a lot of lessons in my younger
days financially that I now apply to somebody who's middle aged.

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
Yeah, it is if you are hyping and the marketing
machine is good, and certainly the soccer hype machine is good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
People will pay whatever it takes and.

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As you said, what's up, six after five. This is
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A rare treat for us. Typically, Paul Danner Junior's with
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Paul in the five o'clock hour on a Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
You know what, anybody that's listening on the radio right
now and is on the road can appreciate where I'm
going to start this. Uh huh, big difference between trying
to get to you Tuesday at three versus Wednesday at five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I will say that much.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I come in with a little bit more stress, but look,
the back roads were kind to me. Had to make
some adjustments on the fly, and I did, and I
was here with plenty of times.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Lots of really good things about my work hours. I
rarely get stuck in traffic. Yeah, I will sometimes get
the tail end of rush hour at six o'clock, especially
if I want to go to a game or something.
But I'm not driving to work during rush hour, and
I'm usually free and clear of all that stuff by
the time I leave here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Yeah, it's not free and clear right now. It's a
little little harryt a couple of spots out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
But that's all right. I made it to you so
we can we can talk Bengals. There's actually a decent
amount of stuff to talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
Yeah, for this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Time of year, I would say. So.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I mean I feel something without precedent happens the day
before I come on your show. I'm excited and and
like I was gonna say all of it's good. Yeah,
like this is all good stuff. Yes, good things are happening.
I have to I have to tell you before you start.
I was before you came on the Growlery yesterday. I
was just going back because I was like kind of
trying to look through just for some good nuggets or
something for topics. And uh so I went back to

(01:13:32):
this time last year and I was like, what did
what were we talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
It was the headline of the episode was the erosion
of Zach Taylor's culture.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Right fast forward one year and we have.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
The culture has never felt better, They've never felt on
this particular day, and when we're talking, June haven't felt
better in ages. When it comes to all of that stuff.
One year after it feeling like it was, I mean
maybe at all time low.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Yeah, I was having a conversation on Monday night with
somebody who I think is really really close to it,
who went out of his way to sort of articulate like,
it's night and day. Yeah, it's night and day from
what it was a year ago. It's night and day
from what it was all of last season. Now again
it's June. We'll see if it's night and day. In October,
we'll see if it's not to day the first, you know,

(01:14:27):
real adversity. But like night and day, that stuff matters. Yes,
of course that stuff matters, and it builds belief, It
builds people wanting to do the right thing, people not
wanting to screw it up for everybody else not looking around.
We talked, you know, I remember talking multiple.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Times in recent years because you know, I love talking
about football culture with Andrew Whitworth, and he talks about
those things, the erosion of locker rooms, what these off
field things do, particularly when they involve stars and stars
not being around and fighting with ownership and that type
of stuff. When that stuff happens, it starts to impact things.

(01:15:07):
It makes everybody talk, It makes everybody start to question
when and then you don't feel like everybody is rowing
in the right direction. It might feel like a one
off here or one off there, but especially over time,
when they start to pile up, it really does impact
things in the NFL. I've had many coaches tell me, like, look,

(01:15:27):
the talent level across from team one and the team
thirty two is just not that far off. Outside of
anybody with quarterback problems, it's just not that far. It's
the teams that have the chemistry that come together that
all of a sudden, the guys start playing above their
level because all the boats are raising. Are the teams
that end up playing at the end. Like that happens

(01:15:48):
far more often than anybody wants to recognize. And I
think the what's happening right now is a great sign
for that. There's still ten other things you got to
get through, but like, man, there they're really in a
great place, and things like like the restructure from Burrow
that happened yesterday on back to just just the excitement

(01:16:09):
to DJ Turner and Dax Hill and Miles Murphy and
all these guys. They're Jase Brown, they are all here,
They're participating, they're do like everybody doesn't want to screw
it up. Everybody sees the opportunity that is here for
this team, kind of looking around at what they've got,
looking around at the positive attitude, understanding how there's leadership,

(01:16:31):
there's accountability here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Everybody seems into it. There's a pretty high standard.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
You do feel that, and new guys that I've talked
to have expressed that to me. Older guys that I've
talked to have expressed that to me. It absolutely is
a real thing. I do think it can translate to wins.
But for right now, it's just a really good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Wait, you reference something that I jotted down because you
wrote about DJ Turner being here, and if there was
maybe a guy who would have a compelling reason to
not be here right now, perhaps it's him, and I
wrote down, I just don't want to be the wet blankety,
So I did this topic. When Trey was leaving. We
used to have an employee here that I would refer

(01:17:14):
to as wet Blanket. Not that they were a bad person,
not that they were a bad employee, but they just
they were always unhappy. There was always something, and I
started to refer to this person as wet blanket. And
when wet Blanket left and found their lives work, I
remember what the Monday after wet Blanket leaving felt like

(01:17:35):
we all still had the same jobs, we alstill had
the same inner office relationships, but it was just it
was like, you know what this is. This is a
little bit more fun without them, And I'm enjoying being
here a little bit more without wet Blanket. And so
I compared Trey Hendrickson to wet Blanket. Trey's a terrific player,
greatest free agent acquisition, arguably in franchise history. I do

(01:17:56):
not want to think about what it's going to be
like to maybe have to block him if he is
at his best in Baltimore. But I I've done the
same thing. I've gone back and thought about where we
were a year ago, and Trey Hendrickson's showing up at
practice grand standing in his golf attire that was wet blanket.
The wet blanket has gone, and so I've got to
imagine there's this like sigh of relief. And also you

(01:18:16):
have dudes like DJ like Dax, like Chase, like Andre
maybe others who go, you know what, I got business
that's got to get done, But I don't want to
be the wet blanket.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, and there's just not gonna be. And this wouldn't
be the case with those guys, but like in regards
to Trey and some of the other stuff that's gone on,
just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Tolerate the garbage, like, just don't be here for it,
you know what. Let's be done with this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, let's just move on from this, right, And whether
we're talking about Trey Hendrickson or Jermaine Burton or any
of the things that have happened where they've just gone
on that, especially when they don't involve like Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase, you know what I mean, Just find
be done, move on, find another answer using the path,

(01:19:00):
and be cognizant. And I have been critical of this
team often over the years for not being cognizant enough
at all of culture of what the impact of what
they're doing to try to win negotiations or whatever. Shamar
Stewart the impact that really has on the team and
has had on the team. They and being two money

(01:19:22):
and numbers driven, and I think a lot of what
they've done this offseason has not been that has been
about the injection of this attitude, has been about leadership
and dudes that are about the right stuff and like
centering their attack on that. And you see that, like
even in the new guys that have come in, Like
there's they who knows what they'll turn into, but like

(01:19:45):
for they all seem to be like very much targeted
for the fact that they're grown adults. They want to
be leaders, have been leaders, been on winning teams. This
is the stuff they've focused on back in when you
go back to the twenty twenty twenty two times, it
was like the core of Zach Taylor's tenant when he
got here, get more of those guys in here and

(01:20:05):
watch what happens. And I think you could feel them
the last few years getting away from that, you could
feel more toleration of the junk, right, And so for
that fact, I just think you can it's maybe shouldn't
be as.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Much of a surprise that they feel like they do
right now. It's it's refreshing, Yeah, it's I mean, it's
I joke all the time about providing people like me
with content, but it is, it's extraordinarily refreshing. And there's
it feels like twenty twenty one. This team would be
very lucky if it achieves what twenty twenty one's team did.

(01:20:40):
But you know, I remember talking with you about, you know, leaders,
guys who would won, but dudes who just love ball. Yeah,
And that's what I gather listening to cash as how Yeah,
dude who just loves ball, loves ball, like I've listened
to him on two different occasions, and I thought, like,
that's the definition of what we had taught talked about
being here for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I remember talking to a number of different scouts in
recent years, and the lesson that had obviously been learned
was we know why guys have failed in the past.
We we missed on the character avow or we missed
on the ball lover right, Like it wasn't that wasn't there.
We've seen that, Like we feel like when we've when

(01:21:26):
we've hit on that and gotten that right we've gotten
really good players, good production.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
We've we've hit on draft picks and there's just been
too many.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Years where it feels like they're not drafting the right
type of guy and then that blows up in your face.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
And when we saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
You know, there's any number of different guys you can
look back on in recent years, and I think they
feel like they're they're back, maybe a little bit more
focused on that at least with some of their their
top picks. Here and How's a great example. Yeah, I
mean I think he earned that reputation uh at A
and M, and then he proved it on the field
as well well. So I just think between that and

(01:22:02):
then between the you know, the accountability that everybody feels
walking in the room. Doesn't feel like a circus. I
mean we've been we've been we've been whistling the circus
music in the media room there for a couple of
years because every day was like a new big top
and it was like, it doesn't it feels professional right now,
It doesn't feel like every day and you walk in
wondering what's today's circus gonna bring us?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
You know, here come the elephants, right like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
That no, it feels like you're walking into a place
with a high standard.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I had.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
I was talking to just Sir Taylor yesterday, new cornerback
who came in with the Jets the second half of
last year, started his career as Chargers, and he was
just his eyes got real wide and he was talking
to me. He was like, no, you can like really
feel the standard and the expectations that everybody feels right now,
like they feel like this is gonna be a great
team and there's no gray area on what that looks

(01:22:53):
like even right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
And he's like, that's a you know, from a guy
who was at the Jets last year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I think he felt like that was pretty fresh problem
you're talking about right now. And I took that as like,
you know, guys are feeling at the moment they walk
in the door here right now, and that's I mean,
that's all you can really ask for for June.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
You look back on stuff that you were doing a
year ago. I'll have Facebook memories pop up, because you know,
we put the stupid show clips on social media, and
it's like, here's your memory from one year ago, and
it's invariably a clip of me sitting right here ranting
and raving about Trey Hendrickson, are coming up with some
bs take on Trey Hendrickson, and it's like, man, there

(01:23:33):
is a part of me that does miss that, But
the part of me that wants this team to be
really good this season doesn't miss that at all. Paul
Danner Junior's with us from the Athletic and the Growler Podcast.
We'll talk about Joe Burrow's contract restructure and what it
may mean next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
At the u S ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger Paul Danner
Junior from the Athletics Here, really good piece on DJ
Turner and the dudes that you might not expect to
be at OTAs. At OTAs also wrote about Joe Burrow's
contract restructure, and then he did an episode of his
podcast yesterday where we talked about whether or not the
Brent Spence Bridge would be repaired in time to carry

(01:24:21):
with it a Red's Parade. And that's that's the sort
of hard hitting stuff he brings me on for. I
enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. We had a few goods
I did. Somebody sent me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I feel like the Reds one that we did should
have been altered by the way. I felt bad about
it afterwards because I should have done what what happens
first the new Bridge is complete or the Reds win
the division? Oh, it makes it a little bit more accessible, Okay,
a little. I think that's a little bit because it's
hard to win a title, right, so that's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
I haven't won a division in fourteen years, exactly exactly why.
I think it's a decent conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
But I felt like I found I felt like that
would have been a little bit more accurate. I was
a touchoff in the comparison on that one. Made it
too easy to go bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I don't dabble into prediction markets or those those things
are creepy, but that that one should be created, Yes,
it absolutely should be created.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Jay and I we had a great time with the
what will happen first? The or what's more likely the
top three offense versus the top ten defense. We were
talking about that a little bit more today. By the way,
got a good nugget because in the middle of that
we talked about the nineteen eighty nine team.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Yeah, the nineteen eighty nine Bengals, which for those who
happened yesterday, this was yesterday, Yeah, Growler podcast. It came up.
The eighty nine offense led the league in total total point.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
They were top they were the last time the Bengals
were top three in offensive either yards or points.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Okay, so last time, and that they have. The eighty
nine season has always been weird because it's sandwiched between
the Super Bowl season and then the team that won,
you know, was the last team to advance in the
postseason for thirty one years. The eighty nine team started
great and then sort of fizzled out and we went
on this maybe three minute thing on the A nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
But I was told then by a great friend at
Bengals PR that actually is a great nugget about that team.
They actually they had one hundred and nineteen plus one
nineteen point margin that season, which is the NFL record
for largest point margin and not having a winning record.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Really still is today. How about so but you know what,
because they beat the Oilers sixty one to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Oh the numbers, there's there's four games like that, right,
They had a fifty six to twenty three, the sixty
one to seven game, there were like a forty one
to ten. They had four massive blowouts, right, and they
were two and five and one score games. And then
they lost on Christmas where they could.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Have made twenty one. Yeah, where they could have made
the postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
But I mean a team that was great, I mean
arguably just as good, like generally as the Super Bowl
team from the year before, but just things didn't go
their way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It was wonky.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
They they couldn't win the close ones, and then it
all kind of started to fall apart after that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
That Christmas Night nineteen eighty nine game, right, they lose
to the Vikings, and I remember the score because it
was in the world where college had a two point conversion,
the NFL did not, and so they were two possession loss.
The next year, my grandfather died on December the twenty third.
A few weeks after that, I described with my grandmother
in the room that Christmas nineteen eighty nine was the

(01:27:27):
worst Christmas of my life, and she's like, not the
one where my husband diedd Yeah, So that so that
was good. It shows the impact and that Houston sixty
one seven game. Everybody always misplaces that because the next
year in the playoffs they blew them out. But it
wasn't sixty one to seven. The sixty one to seven
game was a regular season game, and people I think

(01:27:48):
placed that in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
It was the game right before Minnesota. Yes, right before
the Minnesota games. All they're going in they just scored
sixty one last week and then they couldn't goin in
Minnesota and win.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Everything you've ever wanted to know about the ninety nine
eighty nine tangent for me and you in one week.
The Joe Burrow contract restructure. Yeah, the nuts and bolts
of it. Yeah, we know it's something else that they
don't do that they've done, which is great, But the
nuts and bolts of it. What impact is that going
to have only twenty twenty six Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
I think it allows them to operate a little bit
more like the twenty twenty five Bengals did from this
point forward. So think about what happened from this point
forward last year, Noah Fant, Felton Reisner trade for Flacco.
They were able to take on those things. A fan
was about three mil Flacco. I think they ended up

(01:28:38):
paying him about a little less than two Riisner was
a little bit of the minimum.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
But they were able to go out there and still
be active.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Not big moves, right, And I mean, I know not
to say that a big move is necessarily going to
happen anymore like the Bengals have been different, but I'll say, like,
you know, this is more about getting them back to normalcy,
to breatheable space. They were twenty nine than cap space
before this they had seven million. Now they have seventeen.
It puts them up to nineteenth. They're right in the middle.

(01:29:06):
And they usually you know, they like to have money
around for practice, squad elevations, injuries, whatever. They want to
be able to move as the season evolves in different ways,
and they did that pretty good. I Mean, those three
moves were valuable last year, and I think making sure
that you're still able to do those is really important,

(01:29:30):
and I think they felt restricted in being able to
do those right now on top of just the regular stuff.
And so yeah, from the twenty twenty six standpoint, I
think it just gets them to ability to kind of
move the same way that they did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Last So this isn't they cleared room to go get
Bobby Wagoner.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
I do not see that as being the case now,
unless Bobby Wagner's number comes down. I think they are
looking at this as if we have an opportunity, we
want to be able to take advantage of it. I
don't think that they felt like they could take advantage
of any opportunity. That doesn't mean that Bobby Wagner's walking
through that door. I just think that there it would

(01:30:07):
still have to be a really good deal for them.
Doesn't still doesn't feel like, you know, there's not a
seventeen million dollars splash happening right right and so but
I think if they feel like the right spot happens
and you can find the right number on somebody, I
would I would certainly for right now pinpoint corner, linebacker,
swing tackle as your main three. But you know, it

(01:30:30):
takes one or two injuries in camp and all of
a sudden you're like, we need to go get somebody
right so I and then obviously once we get through
all of that and the ability of whatever that would
look like. You know, the extensions are.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Part of this.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Those don't typically have big, you know, growth in cap
hits for the current year. That's not the way most
of those work, but they can and they do involve
money changing around a little bit, and so to be
able to go get that to maybe get an extension
or done, I do think is also partially a part
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Does this for those who talk and it's not really
here in Cincinnati, but for those who talk endlessly about
Joe Burrow's relationship with the Bengals, does this tell us
that the relationship right now is pretty damn good?

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Joe Burrow told us that it's pretty damn good. I
mean the last time we talked to him, he said,
people may have everything we need. He said that, and
he said himself, people have been trashing the front office.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
That needs to end. They went and did it right.
That needs to end. That includes from Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Right, it is how I take that, like, I'm done
saying things about the front of We're good. And then
the fact that yeah, there's yeah, I'll restructure my ideal
working very easily with them getting it done, seeing we
have everything we need. All of that stuff to me
suggests that they are in as good of a place.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
As they've been in a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Because you know, we know that the public push has
been out there said the things that he said, and
you know, now, the tone is just very different from him.
I tend to take him at his word. I don't
think he's lying to us, and his actions suggest the same.
So yeah, I think they're in a great place right now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
I have another quarterback contract question that we have to
get to when we come back. Okay, it is twenty
eight away from six o'clock. Paul Danner Junior, The Athletic
dot Com and The Growler Podcast follow at Paul Danner Junior.
Reds and Padres tied to two sports headlines coming up
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(01:33:21):
the aftermath of that game yesterday where like every bullpen
arm had to pitch brings up Chase Petty, Zach mccambley
sent down to Louisville, Florence. You all's take on the
New Jersey Jackals tonight. Bob Huggins will be inducted into
UC's Athletics Hall of Fame on October the twenty third,
is part of the school's fiftieth Hall of Fame class.
That is homecoming weekend and Game four of the NBA

(01:33:43):
Finals is tonight in Madison Square, Guard Nicks and Spurs.
New York is up two games to one. Are you nervous?
Said this to you off air. I was really filled
with anxiety going into Game three. I feel okay right now.
You know why?

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
I would feel really good if I were you. Wu
Tang halftime in the house. Yes, Wu Tang in the
house in New York at halftime. Come on, you can't
lose with Wu in the house.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Taylor Swift is also attending tonight. Is that true? That's true, Taran,
That is true. Correct, Tay's gonna be at the game. Yes, Wow,
my daughter's back on board.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Oh my gosh, my kids are definitely gonna want to
stay out the game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Wow. I feel there's I feel just the basic nervousness
that comes with my team's playing at the stage in
the season and they're this close to winning. I felt
like Monday was a little bit much just Monday. It
was about New York and who's gonna be there and

(01:34:52):
how you're gonna get there, and what the tickets cost,
and the President's coming in, and it just I'm certainly
expecting the environment tonight to be awesome and heated and
maybe a little bit pensive. But I think tonight's a
little bit more about basketball. Yeah, a little bit more
about basketball, and that'll help. The road team has never
won four straight games to open the finals in NBA history.

(01:35:13):
There's obviously a first for everything. I think the fixes
the knicks that we need to make are are are
not easy, but like they're fixable, And maybe Webb Yama
not playing with two nights rest will help us tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Maybe that will help you either way. I'm excited for it.
You can't lose with Wu Tang in the house.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
That's all on the winner tonight wins the series. Yes,
the winner tonight wins the pull out the big dogs
when you need them, they're there. I love it. What
else you got for me? Patrick Mahomes has restructured his contract. Yeah,
he got more money. So he's going to make over
five hundred million dollars in his reworked deal. Yeah through
twenty thirty three. Is there any Joe Burrow side effect

(01:36:00):
impact anything there remotely related to pack?

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
It's probably a good reminder that if this year goes great,
it ain't gonna be long till Joe comes back to
the table. And I would feel like the Bengals would
probably welcome that, considering what the previous conversations have been.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Sure, if he wants to come back to the table
and wants to be more here long term, I'm sure
the Bengals would love to time more money up into him,
especially if.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
He can have a year like this like they hope
he'll have this year.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
And you know, MVP super Bowl, all the stuff that
feels like it's being talked about right now if you
do that, Yeah, I think he would want to come.
He should want to try to make more money, and
the Bengals would probably love to have that be the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Yeah, all right, so we're gonna be talking soon about
Joe Burrow making over half a billion dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:36:46):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I mean I don't know all these guys, right, I
mean it's every year like this. I mean, whether it
doesn't matter who it is, Like we'll be talking about
Lamar soon, We'll be talking about all the Josh Allen.
Like these new deals that get done, they all top
each other. The cap keeps going up. Quarterbacks not getting
less valuable. They have nothing but more leverage every year.

(01:37:07):
Like you know, I think at a certain point. Yeah,
this is always going to be part of the conversation
is whenever the quarterback has the most leverage and decide
it's time to come get it, they can come get it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Yeah. You mentioned we were talking about the Burrow restructure,
and like, is there money there for a swing tackle,
money vera for a slock corner, money there maybe for
a linebacker, and obviously having money to react to things
as training camp and as the season unfold. Is there
a position where it would make sense to add one

(01:37:40):
more guy that we're not talking about beyond those three
positions you referenced before.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Beyond those three, we have a hard time getting past
those three right now. Corner in particular, Charlie and I,
Charlie Goldsmith and I, we're talking a little bit about
the comparison between the Reds bullpen and the Bengals corners. No, no,
it hasn't gotten there yet, but you felt good about

(01:38:05):
the bullpen entering this season, did right, Yes, like but
there's volatility in it in general, and cornerback play can
be like that, and you can be one injury, a
couple guys that you're betting on that don't quite get there,
and then one injury and suddenly you know you're playing
guys and it's not going well, and it can get

(01:38:26):
ugly real quick when you're.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Exposed out there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Right, similar type of feel of what could happen if
you had some of the same things that have happened
to the Reds bullpen, And I don't necessarily think you
could ever predict that that would happen at one position,
but I just there's a lot of you know, behind
DJ and Dax and it's a high injury position, and
both those guys have had injuries. I just there's a
lot of bets that are unproven or journeymen or whatever.

(01:38:54):
Yeah that or rookie that you're trying to make at
a very important, easily exposed position that worry me where
it feels like you would just like to have a
veteran and that has a bunch of starts played in
this league be there in the background if if needed

(01:39:16):
or called upon that song.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
See as we're saying this, I'm trying to go, Okay,
Jalen Davis is Tony Santion.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Maybe right it would be who Yeah, the guy who
kind of came on and was the great field good
story of last year. But we all recognize that it's
not necessarily a sustainable him to do a little bit
too much. Be asking him to be too much. Yeah,
I mean that's that's possible in that scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
These aren't comparisons I was hoping to And I'm not
saying it's gonna go that way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
I'm just saying that is a position where you're just
you're always your depth is always tested at corner every year, right,
And and I like the idea of could dj Ivy
be something? Maybe Tacario Davis has a good future. Jalen
Day just to your Taylor at Taylor seems nice, like like, oh,
this is the things you could do with the slot

(01:40:07):
position between Kyle Duggar and cashus how and the fun
hybrid pieces there, Like that's all great conversation, but it's
all a lot of unproven thought exercise. Yeah, and so
I just I like something that feels a little more solid.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Well, yeah, there's this here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Yeah, right, we always have Rasseul Douglas, you know, like
and if that at least he's started a ninety games
and was a starter the last two years. He knows
what he's doing, right, like Apple and Eli Apple type. Yeah, right,
who's there if you need him? And I just that's
where I'm at with that position right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Josh Newton would be like, Sambule, can you pick up
a bun?

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Josh Newton would be I'm trying to think who who
is still here? Despite playing terrible? Yes, it was rough
for Josh, and that doesn't you know that. I don't
think he's part of the equation right now unless something
changes dramatically in this training.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Is there any job in all of sports that invites
more ridicule than bad bullpen orm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Oh no no, because you're already on the outskirts, right,
You're outskirts of the conversation anyway. You're always you know,
one two bad weeks from being in Louisville, like everybody
and the seemingly is anymore and they're so valid.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
Ole.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
I just mean, there's such a name that you they're fleeting.
You forget that they were ever around. It's I used
to love.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
To make fun of Joel Koonell, but he's now good
with the Brewers, so I can't can't drop that name anymore.
I just know this. In the last like three weeks,
including with you, in any text that is involved like
somebody screwing something up or having to apologize for something,
it's like, ah, sorry, I'm the Pierce Johnson of grilling out.
Like I mean, even like with my my wife and

(01:42:01):
I like, I'm not going to cut the grass tonight.
I'm I'm as reliable as I hate making fun of
tj Antone because he's such a nice guy and he's
such a cool story. But I'm as reliable as I
don't give me Luis May.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Zach Maxwell doesn't matter, just so many.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
It was a guy named mccambley now on the team.
Something I didn't get to get to this with you.
Last week you joined me. Zach Taylor had a press conference. Yeah,
and he was I think seventeen minutes late for the
press conference. Yeah. I think he was supposed to be
a two thirty. Sure, got there two forty seven and

(01:42:40):
it was everything okay, everything was fine. The practice went
a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
I think the practice was ten minutes later than originally thought.
And I'm very happy that he did go late because
that was the time where we got Eric Hall last week,
that's right, which was great. You were here and you
wrote about Eric Hall, and I was really happy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
I didn't know if the late arrival for the press
conference was related to the distance between where he lives
and where he works. By the way, JJ Blede has
just gone long and I got you to laugh, So
I like that brought that one back. It killed me

(01:43:17):
about it. I was so mad at myself because two
weeks ago you got short with me because I referenced,
you know, Brian Schottenheimer, the coach of the Cowboys, is
moving closer to the Cowboys facility because that's what football
coaches have to do. And then you know this is
my favorite trope. And then last week you joined me
from the immediate aftermath of the press conference. We covered
all these topics and I forgot to throw at you

(01:43:39):
like was Zach late because he was late to work
because he doesn't live close enough to the stadium, And
I didn't do it, and it's bothered me for a week.

Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
And now I'm disappointed too, because I've now gotten accustomed
this time of year, the last couple of weeks coming
here and you trying to get me irritated, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Didn't do that today. I didn't even do that. I'm
kind of this is good. The vibes are. Everybody's in
such a good mood that I can't even irritate you
in the middle of June. I know this is I
don't like it at all. What'll be doing? Call Trey
hendrickson the Wet Blanket Paul Danner Junior. Read his work
covering the Bengals Theathletic dot Com and listen to the

(01:44:20):
Growler podcast and I appreciate it as always. Thanks for
having me, Mom. There's the music. We're done the show
is over programming. Note I'm off tomorrow. Chad Brenda will
be here. I return on Friday. Load management season has begun.
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