6/9/26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. The Bengals have done
it again. What's up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good afternoon at Moegger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank
you so much for listening. I hope we're having an
awesome Tuesday afternoon. Paul Danner Junior is not here because
he's working today. He's down there at the venue originally
known as Paul Brown Stadium, and so he is going
to be with us a special five o'clock Paul Danner

(00:27):
Junior appearance tomorrow. We are looking forward to that, and
we'll have something to discuss beyond.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
OTAs and the ordinary.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
According to Ian Rappaport and Adam Schefter of ESPN, the
Bengals and Joe Burrow have restructured Joe's contract that will
create a little cap flexibility for the Bengals. It's going
to create about ten million dollars in cap room. I'll
read Ian Rappaport's tweet here. The move allows Sincy to

(00:57):
operate without putting themselves in a tough spot cap wise.
He continues doing part to the cash needed for the
Dexter Lawrence trade. This is, to the best of my recollection,
something they've never done. And this has been an offseason
defined by the Bengals doing things that you typically do

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not expect them to do. You typically do not expect
the Bengals even if the quarterback, and in Joe Burrow's case,
this was the case, if the player is willing to
do a restructure, Bengals still don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
They do it here.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't know that that's going to mean any seismic
change for the rest of this offseason, but it does
create a little bit more flexibility that was going to
be needed moving forward. And so I think there's two
major takeaways here. One, the Bengals continue to do things
that you don't expect them to do. That is awesome
because one of the biggest complaints is always the unwillingness

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to evolve, the unwillingness to step out of their own
organizational comfort zone. They did it with the Dexter Lawrence trade.
They've done it here with Joe Burrow. It's also and
Joe has made it known that he's willing to do this.
And this is a year for the Bengals that's going
to be defined by a lot of different things, right,
It's going to be defined by can the moves they

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made payoff. Can Zach Taylor stay employed? What's it going
to mean for the coaching staff? What's it going to
mean for other players looking to get paid? But Man,
more than anything else, how much will these success or
a lack thereof change quiet or even amplify the chatter
about Joe Burrow and his future? That's a storyline this year,

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whether you want to admit it or not. And trust me, man,
I can get very tired along with a lot of
folks here with the unending psychoanalysis of Joe Burrow. And
there are a lot of bad takes out there when
it comes to Joe Burrow and his future. That said,
we've done this now for a couple of years, watching him,
you know, express his frustration, We've watched his body language,

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We've heard the things that he's had to say. We
understand the history of this franchise. When it comes to
players asking out, specifically that quarterback, it would certainly suggest
the fact that Joe and the Bengals did this and
worked on this and got this done together. That in
itself would suggest that Joe is in a pretty good
place when it comes to his relationship right now with

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the Bengals with the people who own the team, with
the people.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Who run the team.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Obviously, they haven't played a game yet, the season is
still far off. The first time there's adversity, maybe that
changes the conversation. If this season goes sideways, if expectations
aren't met, maybe that changes things. But this, the fact
that they worked on this together would suggest that there's
a pretty good working relationship between the player and the team.

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That can't be anything but a good thing. So Iron
and Adam Scheffer both worked on that together. Bengals and
Joe Burrow restructured contract. This is something that he has
expressed publicly a willingness to do. Creates ten million dollars
in cap space, something that they simply do not do.

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And we've joked about this on this show, We've joked
about it on the Tony and Mo Football Show that
it would be awesome if we could all get away
from like that as an explanation as to why the
Bengals might not do something. Oh, it's just not something
they do, right, It's just not something they do. How
about trade away the tenth overall pick for a two
time All Pro defensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's just not something they do well, they did it
this year.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
How about doing the restructure with your quarterback, with your
best player, with the face of your franchise.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, that's just not something they do.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
If we can shorten the list, or even better get
rid of the list of things that the Bengals simply
do not do, that would be awesome. And it's off
seasons like this that enable you to be able to
do that. So more reaction across the course of the afternoon,
a little bit more cap space for the Bengals, and
they were going to need some flexibility. They've gotten some

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here and they've gotten it thanks to number nine. This
is a really, really positive and fun development. Eleven minutes
after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. My name
is Mowgar. Thank you so much for listening. Our show
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Union has shred Day coming up on Saturday. Learn all
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what those folks can do for you. If you are
looking to safely and securely get rid of your old
personal documents. We've got some Brendan Soresby stuff. We've got
to get to a little bit later on. The Brendan
Sowersby story that kind of broke yesterday is awful for

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the NCAA, but it is great for college football. We'll
get to that a little bit later on. We'll spend
a few moments on the NBA Finals. Reds lose last
night in a game that can we call it the
misplayed bunt game?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Tara, do you have for me.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So we could all torture ourselves the montage of misplayed
San Diego bunts in the ballgame last night? Well, we'll
have that a little bit later on. Apparently, Reds lose
their fifth consecutive game. They waste a good starting outing
by Andrew Abbott, they fall apart because they can't field

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a bunt, and a game that was very much there
for the taking becomes the latest in a long line
of frustrating games, frustrating outcomes, and games that pull them
further and further away from first place.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
The Reds as we stand.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right now, are ten and a half games out of
first place after a six to two loss last night,
with San Diego scoring the three runs to put them
in front. The bunt inning in the bottom of the eighth,
ten and a half games at a first place on
June ninth. Now, a lot of that is a statement

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about the Milwaukee Brewers, who we should talk about today,
but it's also a damning indictment of the Cincinnati Reds.
And if I would have said to you or anybody
else three months ago that it'd be the second Tuesday
of June and the Reds will be in last place,
ten and a half at a first place, three under
five hundred, you probably would have said, there is no way.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
And yet here we are.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
The question is now, and you hate to do this
this early in the season, how much worse is this
going to get? And I think the last time we
asked that was too twenty two. Now, the Reds lost
one hundred games that season. I don't think any of
us believe they're going to lose one hundred games this year.
This does seem to be a better team, although they

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have today the second toughest remaining schedule in all of
Major League Baseball. But the last time we did this
was April of twenty twenty two. I remember it vividly.
That was the year Opening Day was later because of
the lockout. They started two and two, and then they
went on to lose what twenty of their next twenty
one games.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
They were three and twenty.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Two and twenty five games into the season, season over,
season over, and I remember in those first three or
four weeks asking often how much worse is this going
to get? It may get better, it probably will, but
by the time it does, how bad will it be?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Now?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
For that team that year, it was abundantly clear that
the only real mystery, only real suspense for the entire season,
We're about two things. One, what were they gonna get
for the guys they ended up trading like Luis Castillo
and Tyler Mallley later that season? The two could they
avoid one hundred losses? The Reds are not gonna lose

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one hundred games this year. But it is sobering beyond
belief that we are doing things this season, and we
are asking things this season that we haven't done and
haven't asked since the season in which they lost all
hundred games? How much worse is this gonna get? And

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part of that's something you could ask.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Because of the injuries, and the injuries are what they are,
God knows. We've talked about them to death.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Part of that is what you could ask about this
team because of the just lack of reliable options in
the bullpen. Part of it is something you could ask
about this team because the roster just doesn't have enough
guys who are good and established and in their prime.
Not a very good baseball team, not a very good
baseball team. And it's a team that from a talent perspective,
has a low ceiling. But it's a team that because

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of that has to play damn near perfect baseball.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
When they got off to the twenty and.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Eleven start, think what stood out more than anything, where
first of all, they played clean ball. They were very
good defensively, took them forever to make their first air
of the season. They didn't give away ouse, they didn't
give away bases, they didn't do dumb things too, very
good bullpen work. Both of those things have evaporated. Defense

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failed him in Saint Louis. Bullpen failed him in Saint Louis.
Defense failed him last night. Bullpen failed him last night.
So yeah, man, you could wonder when's it going to
get better or how's it going to get better? I've
asked often over the last ten days or so, how
does this get fixed. Now we're to the point where
we are wondering how much worse can it get? And

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the last time any one of us really asked that question,
this team was in route to losing one hundred games
by the middle of the decade. I think all of
us hoped that we would be no longer channeling twenty
twenty two. And yet here we are, sixteen minutes after
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three seven seven six. Meanwhile, a familiar theme atop the
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Speaker 5 (11:54):
Five, struck out, twelve, walk four and they're expecting a
bun and they get one right now on the third
base line. There's a first basement in pictures sliding and
it'll be nobody out. As Antone and South Stewart both
went after the ball at the same time. There was
no way that Stewart was gonna be able to clean
it pick.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
It cleanly, and he threw late the first dase.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
On a three one count. Here is a pitch by Antone.
It is punted on the ground to the first base side,
a pair handed sent by South Sport. He bobbles it
and it will be a everybody safe situation. Davin Sheets
comes in from third, Chase Bowen goes to second base,
and the batter some odd Taylor ends up at first base.

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Stewart playing in swore as the third playing in. They're
gonna punt again, and this one is out in front
of home fight right to the picture and he bobbles
it and there's nobody gonna make a play. Three times
in a row the Padres have put a punt down
in the infield, and three times in a row the
Red defenders can't get handle on the baseball.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
And there you go.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Chris Wells Reds Radio Network and seven hundred WLW last
night giving you The description of the three consecutive bunts
and the eighth inning that the Reds could not field
in Round two, a six to two loss to the
Padres last night, just just pathetic. I can't sugarcoat it.
I'm not going to sugarcoat it. There's no other way

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of putting it. And look, man, maybe it's a bad inning.
Maybe those things happen on a good team. This is
not a good team right now, and so your mistakes
get amplified and we make more out of them when
you're not a very good team. Last night looked like
straight out of twenty twenty two. I had really hoped
that this year we wouldn't be talking about anything related

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to twenty twenty two. Instead, that's where we are. More
on that coming up momentarily. More Bengals news. This is
good news. The Bengals have signed cash is how the
team's second round draft choice from Texas A and M
he signs his contracts. Cincinnati has now signed each of
their seven selections in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft.

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So just really quick, think about where we are now
in relation to where we were a year ago. A
year ago at this time, what dominated the discourse Trey
Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart. You may blame the Bengals for

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those things. You may blame Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart
for those things. You may blame their representation, but that's inarguable.
At this point a year ago, it was why hasn't
Schamar signed? What sort of stuff is he gonna say?
Why are these two sides so far apart? How much

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of this is gonna hurt his rookie season, how much
of this is gonna hurt the team? And then the
Trey Hendrickson circus, which just took a life of its own.
A year later, the quarterback and the team just did
something that the team has never done. They've done a
restructure of Joe Burrow's contract, gonna save him about ten
million dollars against the cap, create a little bit more flexibility.

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The only possible downside to the Dexter Lawrence deal was
you started to look long term and it's like, all right,
how inflexible are they gonna be? Now they've got a
little bit of wiggle room.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Which is great.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So you have them doing more stuff that they've never
done before. Meanwhile, and I read Paul Diner Junior today
and he joins US tomorrow. DJ Turner at OTAs. If
there is a guy on the team that you could
maybe maybe rationalize, I don't want to say pulling a

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Tray Hendricks in but using some leverage to get a
new deal, it would be DJ Turner, I think, arguably
the best defensive player who returns from last year's team,
a guy who is an ascending player in this league,
a guy who is, you know, one of the candidates
to be a breakthrough star in twenty twenty twenty six,

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and he showed a lot of those characteristics last year.
Nobody is going to anoint somebody a star playing on
a bad team with a bad defense. But DJ Turner
played really well last season, played well enough that you
look at him as one of those pieces you want
to move forward with for the rest of the decade.
We'll see what that deal looks like. DJ Turner's at
OTA's Dax Hill has been a participant in the offseason program.

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There's no rumbling of discontent from Miles Murphy, and you
might have expected it from him, but none. No rumblings
of discontent from Chase Brown. Things can change. Training camp
is still a month and a half away. Maybe there's
something that pops up. Maybe somebody's agent gets into their
ear and says, hey, look, once we get to camp,

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maybe do a hold in, Maybe make some noise about
a deal. Nobody that has requested a trade. Nobody is
showing up and grand standing at practice. Nobody, to the
best of my knowledge, is sending vague tweets, vague Instagram posts.
No draft choice is unsigned. Nobody's grand standing at their locker.

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Nobody is saying things that make you wonder what's up
between the team and the player. It is remarkable how
different things are today versus a year ago. Does that
guarantee success, Absolutely not. But think of all those things
that we have spent so much time obsessing over in
the offseason, pretty much all of them not helpful toward

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the goal of winning, and those things, at least to
this point, eliminated entirely. That is extraordinarily refreshing if you're
a fan. It has to be insanely refreshing if you're
Zach Taylor. Twenty nine minutes after three o'clock, a Newsy

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first half hour of the show, Cash is Hal signed,
Joe Burrow and the Bengals restructure a contract and the
Reds maybe taking bunting practice today. I have no idea
bunting fielding practice today. I have no idea. Meanwhile, we've
got the Brendan Soresby thing. We have to discuss. Brendan
Soorsby being allowed to play college football is bad for

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the NCAA, but it is awesome for college football. That
coming up in twenty minutes on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
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Speaker 2 (18:39):
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The Bengals today, according to Ian Rappaport of ESPN, announced
that the Bengals he announces, he reports, didn'tally announced.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
He reports.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Bengals have restructured the quarterback contract. Why don't I do
this in English? The Bengals have restructured quarterback Joe Burrow's contract,
creating ten million dollars in cap room. So Bengals have
a little bit more flexibility, as our guy, Paul Danner
Junior points out, While nearly every major quarterback contract has

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been restructured to this point. This is the first time
the Bengals have touched Burrows deal since he signed it
in September of twenty twenty three. And as Paul puts
it and he joins us tomorrow in the five o'clock hour,
the wins of change continue to blow in Cincinnati this offseason.
It is, if you understand anything, some of this stuff

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sounds like regular NFL transactional stuff. Teams restructure their quarterback
contracts all the time. Just not here, and you can
make too much out of this if you want. I
just think it's awesome. The Bengals are doing things you
typically don't associate with them. Second round pick Cash's House
signs his contract. All of the Bengals draft choices are

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in the fold. Meanwhile, Reds and Padres again tonight in
San Diego nine first pitch, seven hundred WLW Cincinnati well
stend staff as Chase Burns to the hill against Lucas Giolito.
Starting lineup for the game not out yet, Red's trying
to break a five game losing streak. Florence y'all's take
on the New Jersey Jackals tonight and in Vegas It's

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Game four of the NHL Stanley Cup Final. The Golden Knights,
hosting the Hurricanes. Vegas leads the series two games to one.
We'll get to a few other things a little bit
later on. I got more soresby thoughts.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
And we'll talk about the NBA Finals if we must.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
First, mister Ace, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mister Ace,
good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
How are you, Homer, Big Homer? I must say, man,
you got me shaking the fast, trying up a little fat,
but a lot of gids are shaking up stuff like
stuff atash Man.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, I like it, man.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
All like I say is the Cincinnati Higgs got me
all shook up, confused, shaped, rattled, and roll like I
got hit with the wrestler finishing move.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Or something like that man from the Honky Tom.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
Yes, sir, Oh my gosh, I think I'm just gonna
throw off the wrestler negacycy to catch the drop bad
drop dead twice like somebody used to do the DDT.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
That's what it seems like they've been doing. A U
and me.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
That would be Jacob Snick Roberts if it's an if
it's a wrestling reference from before like nineteen ninety nineteen
ninety one, I'm your guy, post nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one,
I'm not your guy.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
And well, maybe we could talk a little bit of
sweet chimneys for the fact that it seems as though
Brandon Soars Me and his jackals have been doing some
flashing cash real fad wow to get him off of
NCAA suspension for a five minutes. But I think that

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somebody from a higher level probably will cobash this whole thing,
maybe like Congress or maybe he's in a higher level
court because storys we shouldn't be playing man, I mean
between him and the underachievement coach up there for football,
and you see, I really would say, I mean, he

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does not deserve to play. I know that they'll talk
about having like gambling game and issue for him. Understand
the way, you just have to also say some of
that was a choice, was very much a choice, and
he knew what he was doing every time he did answered.

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He's not sorry about the fact that he did it.
He's sorry about the fact he got quiet. And that's
the reality of the matter. And of course Texas text
is trying to sympathize with that, but I'm gonna save
your fire for when you have that discussion coming up.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well, thank you. This is black and white. He broke
an established rule, and he did so willingly and knowingly.
That should come with consequence. I am sympathetic and empathetic
to addiction. I know people who have who are alcoholics.

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I know people who have lost their jobs and their
families because they're alcoholics. I understand what that addiction and
what that disease can do to you. I admire people
who do their best to overcome it. Some folks I
know have, some have not. But you can't show up
to work drunk, and if you do, the people you
work for might understand you are dealing with an addiction.

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But you can't show up to work junk. That's going
to have consequences. I apply the same principle to Brendan
Soresby here. I hope he conquers his demons. I have
no reason to root against him. But if you have
clearly established rules, which the NCAA does, and you knowingly
and willingly violate, you should suffer the consequence that's clearly

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outlined in those rules, where you lose eligibility. Do I
think Brendan's a bad guy. Absolutely not do I hope
any ill will toward him.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
No, No, there's no reason to.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
But I would say this if Brendan sores be played
for U see right now, I would say this if
it was my own son. You did something that the
rule state you cannot do, and if you do it,
here are the consequences.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You should suffer those consequences.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
Right, And it does come down from accountability standpoint.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
People lacking accountability these days, people really not being as
transparent with stuff. I mean, it leads to a lot
of ambiguity, It leads to a whole lot of I mean,
I think this is a waste of time considering like
you have college players did in something they did not
ever have. I mean, I'd say you've had way more

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talented players who if they were getting paid back in today,
it's no telling where things would be at this point.
But I mean, you look back at guys like a
Charley Wards. You look back at the guys like I
mean Bobby Surah from Florida State who both went on
to pro careers. You look at guys like I mean
even rocket Ishmael. You look at guys like I mean

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all the players that came out of UC in Ohio State.
I mean, shoot, even our own Tony Pike. I mean,
if they were able to get some of the money
that players are able to get now by nil deals,
it's no telling where stuff would be. But I think
because the NCAA has always not wanted to have this

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day come where players were compensated, and now that it's
a reality, I mean thanks to Ed O'Bannon and some
of the other players like so and for their likenesses
being used on video games, I think that that started
some of the cracks in the foundation, which eventually led
to the full nil deals being available now. But I mean,
you have so much of a different landscape, and because

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the NCAA ran from it and did not try and
come with a way to really structure it mode, we're
dealing with the wild, wild West right now. And unfortunately,
I think it was schools, like a lot of the
SEC schools that were always doing some under the table deals.
You had real life stuff like the program and Blue
Ships that was happening in real time.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, you know, I think everything you said I agree with.
I think what makes this difference here is I think
a lot of it said all right, acknowledging that you know,
it is the wild West, and acknowledging that there are
very few guardrails as it relates to player movement, player compensation,
coach movement, acknowledging that there are very few rules.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
That can be enforced when it comes to eligibility.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
That the one thing we could all agree on, one
of the foundational pieces was if a student athlete makes
wagers on a team that he is a part of,
that comes with loss of eligibility. And that piece going
away pretty much blows up the nc double A. And
I hate to be overreactionary about anything, but like there's

(27:12):
I think what's so sobering about yesterday is all. I
felt like we all sort of agreed, like, all right,
things are maybe a little bit too out of control,
and yes, maybe we've arrived at the point where we
need Congress to help the NCAA establish some rules that
have been blown up. But this one thing we all
agree you're not allowed to do, and if you do it,
it carries with it punishment that's been blown up. And

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so now no organization is any good if it can't
enforce its own rules.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
The courts have told the NC double A.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
You can't enforce your own rules, so I don't know
from an organizational standpoint where.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
We go from here.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Well, no, I think that that's just grabbing our popcorn
buckets and seeing what's about to be happening now, because
I think it's going to be a rough snup kickoff
for college foot other than the best baby, I guess
less than forty five days.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
And a half months, good camp, Yep, we'll see, all right,
mister is good at talking to him.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Good here right, Yes, last.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
If if I if I, if I had any A
W tickets, God knows, I'm not going to use them,
so they'd be all yours, thank you sir.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
All right, but.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
See what I could do? It's a quarter to four.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, Like you know, I've I've I've watched people on
social media and I've I've listened to folks try to
rationalize what Brendan Sorosby did. And like, if you want
to say that the rule should be changed and a
student athlete should be allowed to make wagers on college sports,
I don't agree, but okay, that's a conversation. If you

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want to say that a student athlete should be allowed
to make wagers on games that he or she is
involved in. I could not disagree more but okay, we
could have that discussion. What's not up for discussion is
did Brendan soores Be break a rule and did that
rule carry with it very very clearly stated consequences if
it's broken, The answer is yes. If you want to

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say there should be more education for student athletes about
the perils of gambling, let's go.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I'm in. I'm one thousand percent on board with that.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
If you want to have conversations about, well, are some
schools and their broadcast partners a little bit too in
bed with online wagering companies? Okay, fine, but this is
this is very very simple and cut and dry for me.
He broke a rule. When you break rules, there should
be accountability. The accountability involved here was very clearly stated

(29:50):
and articulated, and a court just blew it up. This
is awful for the NCAA, but it's great for college football.
We'll explain next.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
The UC from four This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Moegg
or more of your phone calls later on, and Joe
Burrow and the Bengals restructures contract red still can't field
a bunt, And the question I would be asking if
I were Phil Castellini coming up on Brendan Soorsby here
really quick. Our guy Stewart wed Penrose, our sports legal

(30:28):
expert from the Manila Law Group, is going to join
us at four thirty five. When you're an organization and
you're told by a court you can't enforce your own rules,
that's bad.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
So there is the ncublea part of this.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
This is bad for the NCUBA. Brendan Soresby being allowed
to play, though, let's be honest about this is awesome
for college football. So I've read that the Big Twelve
chancellors and presidents and athletic directors, they've huddled together. There
was a statement from Brett Yormark, the Big Twelve commissioner,

(31:03):
earlier this afternoon that basically said we're gonna keep those.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Discussions in house.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
What the discussion should have centered around is this, how
do we capitalize on this. Look, Brendan Soorsby right now
is college football's biggest villain. It's not that often that
one of college football's biggest villains is a player. This

(31:29):
is something that college football can lean into look man.
At the end of the day, sports are about characters.
They're about characters, real life characters. Most characters in college
football are coaches, athletic directors, university presidents, conference commissioners, frankly,

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very rarely players. Brendan Soorsby is the biggest name among players,
at least in college football right now. Name for me,
other big twelves starting quarterback. Name for me, one other
big twelve skilled position player. Brendan Soorsby plays his first

(32:13):
game for Texas Tech. If things stay where they are
where he's eligible, gonna miss the first two games. The
first game is going to be against Houston on a
Friday night. I'll watch, and I would watch had Brennan
Soresby never played at UC. Brennan Soorsby on the road
playing for Texas Tech is must see television. How does

(32:37):
he handle by the way it was said to me
by somebody who's opinion I really trust last night. For
all the talk of his like mental mental health and
he's got to play college football like his mental health
is going to be tested this season when Texas Tech
goes on the road, certainly going to be tested. The
first time he has a bad game, especially on the road.

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I call it what it is like. There's a central
figure in college football right now, there are sports the
NBA Finals last night, excuse me, the two biggest villains
were all the idiots in New York attacking Spurs fans
and Victor Wembin Yama. I'd rather talk about him, And
after last night, all anybody talked about was he's now

(33:21):
a New York sports villain. Great central figure in the series,
a character. You may love him, you may start to
hate him. Whatever, there's a central character. Sports are about characters.
Sports are at their most fun when we have good
guys and bad guys, when there are people that are
polarizing that we could take sides over. For all of

(33:45):
the notoriety the college athletes get, for as much more
compensated as they are right now, for as much as
they're treated like pros year to year, there aren't that
many characters that cross over into the mainstream. My wife
knows who Brendan Sooresby is. My mom knows who Brendan
Sooresby is. There are folks who will be paying attention

(34:08):
to Texas Tech football that ordinarily wouldn't be paying attention
by the way the homecoming game you see versus Texas Tech.
It's got a hell of a lot more punch to it.
If Brendan Soorsby plays than if he doesn't. This is
bad for the NCAA. But if you're carrying Texas Tech football,

(34:29):
if you have Texas Tech football team coming to your stadium,
this is tremendous. And so okay, do hand ringing over
the NCAA not being allowed to enforce its own rules. Fine,
I'm with you there, But okay, As fans, you know,
we're entertained by the sport.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
We're drawn by characters. It's fun to have villains.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's fun to have central figures, fun to have people
to root against, fun to have people to root for.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
There's not a bigger villain in the sport, which means
there's not a more villainist team or a bigger villain
team in the sport than Texas Tech. Yes, this is great,
And I know the NCAA is not gonna look at
it that way, and I know a lot of these
holier than now folks aren't gonna look at it that way.
And like, legally, I think Brendan Sorosby should be punished,
but he's not. Okay, if you're the Big twelve, capitalize

(35:21):
on it. Brendan Soresby now should be marketed. I'm not joking,
by the way, this has a chance to be really, really, really.
This is the central storyline in the sport. Like Fernando
Mendez is not coming back to play college football, the
central storyline in the sport is all about Brendan Soresby.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
This is ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Thirty erdie, all right.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
The Cincinnati Bengals keep doing very un Bengal like things.
The Cincinnati Reds keep doing very Reds like things, and
we will talk more about Brendan with our sports legal expert,
attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the Minila Law Group. He
joins us in thirty minutes. Reds lose to the Padres

(36:10):
because they can't field a bunt last night. Five consecutive losses.
We'll get to that in just a second. Bengals news
two things, both good, neither necessarily earth shattering, but Ian
Rappaport of ESPN reports Bengals and Joe Burrow have agreed
to a contract restructure that will give the Bengals about
ten million dollars in a salary cap wiggle room moving forward,

(36:33):
and I think the big takeaway is more than anything,
it's just it's another thing that the Bengals historically haven't
done that they're doing. And this is pretty basic stuff. Hey,
create some financial wiggle room. We should all be looking
to do that. Use the tools at your disposal that
give you the opportunity to create some financial space, some

(36:54):
financial wiggle room, especially when the quarterback is publicly saying like, yeah,
I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Bengals did it with Joe Burrow. Can't recall anything like this.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
They've also signed cash as Hall, and I saw some
folks on social media over the weekend wondering like, why
haven't they gotten it done? And you know, let's be honest,
after last year's Shamar Stewart circus, you were being reasonable
if you wondered any shot at anything resembling that. Well,
he's under contract. All of the Bengals draft picks are

(37:25):
under contract. And that's awesome. Some really good Bengals stuff.
Brendenman and Jones on baseball a little bit later on
this hour, Reds lose last night. Meanwhile, the Milwaukee Brewers
won maybe the game of the year, so far this
season in Major League Baseball, and you hate that the
game was played in a minor league ballpark in West Sacramento.

(37:49):
But in twelve innings, the Brewers beat the A's fifteen
to fourteen. Last night, Milwaukee scored two in the top
of the ninth inning to tie the game. Both teams
scored four runs in the tenth. Brewers scored one in
the twelfth inning on a fielder's choice that gave them
the go ahead run. They hang on to Beata's fifteen
to fourteen. That's four consecutive wins from Milwaukee. The Brewers

(38:13):
are forty one to twenty three this season, with a
five and a half game lead in the National League Central.
They are attempting to make the postseason for the eighth
time in nine years. Has it occurred to anybody that
it might make sense to look in that organization to
see if there's somebody you could hire here? You know,

(38:37):
it's funny. Nick Kral has been with the Red since
two thousand and three. Brad Meher has been with the
Red since two thousand and nine. It has often been,
not always, but it has often been an organization that
likes to promote from within, not a whole lot of
outsiders in you know, heavy decision making capacity that occurred

(38:59):
to anybody, Like if you were Phil Castellini, wouldn't you
pick up the phone at some point call Nick Krawl,
summon him to your office and go, hey man, just
wondering why are the Brewers so good at what we're not?

Speaker 6 (39:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Why does this.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Smaller market team with limited financial resources that is constantly
losing really good players, why are they always good? And
I know the pushback I'm gonna hear mo, Come on,
they haven't made a World Series to watch him against
the Dodgers last year, show hey Otani the greatest game
of all time?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Game four?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
They swept him, didn't really come close. That's cool. Would
you like the Reds to make the playoffs seven out
of eight years, eight out of nine years? I would,
And if they did, I'd take my chances, Like wouldn't
you ask Nick Krawl if you ran the team, like,
hey man, Like how come they have figured out how
to do in Milwaukee what we haven't quite figured out

(40:02):
how to do here?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I mean, it's cool that they got Terry Francona. Tito's
going to the Hall of fame. I think Tino has
been a net positive here in Cincinnati, but I'm a
little bit more interested in how the Brewers work structurally
internally and how that could be applied here. And maybe
it's an oversimplification to say that you look at that

(40:27):
franchise and say, like, is there somebody we can bring
here to Cincinnati that we could use to maybe emulate
what they do a little bit, Or if you don't
want to make it about the Brewers, make it about
the Tampa Bay Rays or the Cleveland Guardians.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
And this was a big topic last summer because the
Brewers won ninety seven games, and again, man, like, I
get it, they haven't had a ton of October success,
but they've had more October success than the Reds because
they actually get there every year. There were lots of
pieces written last summer examining why the Brewers do this,

(41:03):
how they do this despite losing Willie Adamis and Corbin
Burns and saying goodbye to so many players and trading
Willie Peralta, like they've lost a lot of dudes. Devin
Williams now pitches for the Mats and they're good every year.
Let me read this paragraph from one of the pieces

(41:24):
about the Brewers last year. This is from Sports Illustrated.
The Brewers are an outlier exploiting a new market inefficiency
knowing how to play baseball. They obsess over little things,
in part because they generally do not pay for superstars

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who do big things. Most Brewers make too little money
and possess too little service time to defy their detail
oriented leader, manager Pat Murphy, and the team's highest paid
player leftfield or Christian Yelich, practices what Murphy preaches, inspiring
his teammates to do the same. Does that sound like

(42:06):
something you would read about the Reds obsessing over little things.
They don't defy their manager. There's some accountability.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Here.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
This is another passage. This is from The Athletic about
the Brewers. This is last summer. The formula this season
reflects the composition of the roster, a team with lackluster
power but superlative fundamentals.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Murphy and the.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Coaching staff emphasize team wide execution. No hitter feels burdened
with carrying the lineup. The offense places the opponent in
a nine inning pressure cooker. No team has been more
valuable on the basis. According to Fangrafts, the development staff
has created a pipeline of pitchers who trust the organization's
ability to guide them. The players operate without the pressure

(42:59):
of the big city microscope. Any of that sound like
it could be written about the Reds. By the way,
they're one in five now without Elie Dela Cruz, one
in six, sorry, one in six now without Elie Dela Cruz.
Let me ask you this, if you were Ellie Dela
Cruz with that, send your asking price up. Wait a minute,

(43:23):
me one guy on a baseball team, and now we
can't win a game without me.

Speaker 9 (43:27):
Really.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
By the way, the Brewers last year, you know what
they led baseball in games were every player got a hit.
Here that's a top heavy lineup where if one or
two guys aren't hitting, they don't score.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Oh you might not like the Milwaukee Brewer love. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Let's talk about the Tampa Bay Rays, who I don't
necessarily love how they do everything because they never really
lock into anybody. But in a division competing with the
Yankees and the defending America League champion Blue Jays and
the Baltimore Orioles, the Tampa Bay Rays are tied for
first place. They have the best record in the American League.

(44:06):
Do a search why are the Tampa Bay Rays always good?
This is from a passage on fangrafts dot com earlier
this year. The Rays do a good job of finding
players with skills that the rest of the market isn't
evaluating correctly. Does that sound like something that would be written.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
About the Reds.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Or the Guardians, the team that Tito used to work for,
if you're not necessarily paying attention to.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
The American League.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
The Guardians have a game and a half lead over
Chicago and the American League Central. The American League Central,
as expected, not very good this year. The Guardians have
a negative run differential, But it feels like they're always
kind of in the hunt, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
If you do a search, why are the Guardians good?
Every year?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Here's a piece on ESPN dot com from earlier this season.
For years, the Guardian's backbone has been pitching with a
vaunted factory that turns out one capable starter after another
and allows the front office to ignore exorbitant free agent
prices or farm system sapping trades. Other teams have tried
to replicate their formula or locate their magic pixie dust

(45:24):
on the black market without success. The Royals even plucked
Brian Sweeney from Cleveland staff to serve as their pitching coach.
Any of that sound like something that would be ritting
about the Reds, So like there's I guess my question.

(45:46):
What are the Reds good at? I mean here, like
stressing fundamentals? I see like identity comes up here with
the Brewers, same for the Guardians, same for the Rays.
Finding market inefficiencies, finding identify, obtaining and developing slightly off
the grid players turning over stones to find hidden gems

(46:08):
on a consistent basis, I read about Cleveland's unending pitching development.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
What are the Reds good at? Baseball wise?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I think they're awesome at everything else the baseball franchise.
That's good at everything but baseball. Like, all right, they
got Tito, that's cool. They got Ellie, that's neat. They
got some pitchers that I could have drafted early, like
Chase Burns and Hunter Green and Nicolade. As an organization,

(46:42):
what's the calling card, what's the identity? What is the
thing they do well? It is sobering beyond belief that
years into this process of tearing the team down and
starting over and building toward the middle of the decade.

(47:02):
That you don't have an answer for me, And I
know you don't have an answer for me because I
don't have one for you.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
What are they good at? Sixteen after four?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
You know what the Bengals had been good at this
offseason doing Unbengally things, and what you can't help but
say right now about the relationship between Joe Burrow and
the Bengals Coming up plus Moron Soaresby and Brendanman and
Jones on Baseball this Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Station WCKY, Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human, ESPN fifteen
thirty I heard radio.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Joe Burrow and the Bengals seem like they're cool with
each other. Not insignificant, right, Joe and the Bengals agree
to a restructure.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Bengals have a little bit more wiggle room.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
This made, you might argue necessary because of the Dexter
Lawrence trade or expressed earlier this offseason a willingness to
restructure his deal. Now, look, man, if this season goes sideways,
your guess is as good as mine as to what
the relationship between Joe and the team is going to
look like. But that's a conversation for November, December, January,

(48:15):
and maybe maybe beyond. You and I both know, and
this is this is part of the NFL's content machine
that when when the Bengals come up, Joe Burrow's future
is a topic. I have seen posts on social media
from like people who cover this league creating images of
Joe Burrow in a RAMS uniform suggesting that he's going

(48:37):
to be the long term replacement for Matthew Stafford. They
don't do this with Lamar Jackson. They don't do this
with Josh Allen. They don't do this with other quarterbacks
who are under long term contracts.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
They don't do this with Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So you and I both know, and to a degree
understandably so that there's there's this narrative out there that
will Joe and the Bengals. Is there a complete harmony there?
Is he gonna seek a way out? Is he gonna
force a trade? And like, this is why this season
is so big, right, you don't want to tempt fate.
We don't want a fourth straight year not making the postseason.

(49:12):
We don't want another year where Joe is visibly not
very happy. But right now, you can't tell me that
there's any disconnect between the team and the quarterback. When
Number one Joe talked about a paramount offseason and the
things that he wanted to see the Bengals do, now
completely reasonable to wonder about linebacker. We'll see how that

(49:34):
plays out. I'm not yet to the point that I'm
convinced that Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight are ready to
make this leap, both collectively and individually. But beyond that, man,
the offseason has been terrific and the Bengals are doing
very Unbengal like things. The Dexter Lawrence trade like it is.

(49:54):
I was having this conversation with somebody while watching the
NBA game last night because we were talking about the
night we found out the Bengals made the trade for
Dexter Lawrence, and I said, it's it's been a month
and a half.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And I still can't believe that they did it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
By the way, for what it's worth, one of the
storylines from Mini Caamp and Mandatory Mini Camp next week
OTA is happening right now. Dexter Lawrence's participation. I believe
he's been there like every single day. I still can't
believe they did it because it's something so Unbengally, so Unbengals,

(50:28):
like so is doing a restructure for your quarterbacks contract remarkable?
And maybe for other NFL teams this is just business
as usual, and it is and it should be here
like That's I think where we all want it to be.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
We want things that are business as usual everywhere else
to be business as usual here, and maybe with free agency,
we're getting there. You know, it used to be a
free agency it kind of felt like we sat on
the sideline watched everybody else around the country. You have
so much fun that's changed. Certainly was not the case
this offseason because the Bengals were active and the Dexter

(51:09):
Lawrence thing completely out of left field if you understand
anything about how the Bengals have historically operated, and same
for the Joe Burrow restructure. But I think what you
have to love about it, above and beyond anything else,
is if you want to hear the narrative about how
Joe and the Bengals may be headed toward divorce, there's

(51:32):
no shortage of people who will feed that narrative. People
who are on the verge of divorce typically don't cooperate
with each other. Bengals and Joe Burrow have cooperated with
each other to get something done that has created some
cap space. It's ten million bucks, it's not like it's
twenty five thirty, but some cap space. And so I

(51:57):
don't know, man Like, we'll see if the season goes sideways,
not just for Joe Burrow, but all bets are off
for a lot of different things. Quite frankly, I think
the bigger story is going to be about Zach Taylor
and his long term security. But if if someone wants
to say to you, well and not sure about Burrow
and the Bengals, all you can do is all you

(52:21):
can do is use what's happening right now, And what
has happened this offseason is Joe and the Bengals have cooperated.
And two sides that are at odds with each other
usually don't cooperate. We watched it firsthand here right. They
didn't get a deal dumb with Trey Hendrickson. He asked
for a trade. The two sides were at total odds.
There was no cooperation and it got ugly and it

(52:42):
got weird and it got sideways. You can't convince me
that if Joe Burrow was thinking about an exit, that
he's sitting down with the Bengals and going, Okay, let's
look at this, and by the way, there's some long
term financial benefit to him for this.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
So like, let's not say, let's.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Not imagine that he's not going to come out out
very very good in the back end. But I don't know, dude,
if you hear that there's a rift, I think you
can point to this as evidence that maybe that rift
isn't necessarily there. By the way, really quick on the Brewers.
I saw this during the break. So Ellie Dela Cruz,

(53:21):
Ellie Dela Cruz worth to this team probably just went
up over the last week. He's missed every game since
last Monday. God knows when he's gonna play again. They've
won exactly once. One thing that you could do to
enhance your worth is point to how indispensable you are
and how everybody struggles in your absence. If your Ellie

(53:44):
Dela Cruz, aren't you looking at the Reds going huh
without me, we can't win a ballgame with me? We
have a hard time winning ball games and I'm having
a great year Ellie Dela Cruz and free agent will
become more of a topic as the decade evolves. We've
heard Nikrawl talk about not signing Sal Stewart, and it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
You have a lot of folks who say, like, you know,
that's just not willing to do it. Not yet. The
industry trend is to sign.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Guys really, really really early and make some educated wagers
on young players in an effort to control their cost
and get them at what may be a bargain later.
Earlier today, Jeff Passing of ESPN reports that outfield prospect
Luis Laara and the Brewers are an agreement on a

(54:36):
seven year, thirty one million dollar contract extension that includes
three club options. The deal max is out at seventy
nine million dollars. He is twenty one years old. He
is dominating a triple A this year. This is the
second long term deal that Milwaukee has done this season

(54:58):
with a player before his big lead debut Cooper Pratt
eight years, fifty million bucks. He's still a triple A.
So is the other dude, Luis Laura. This is how
you keep your best guys. You make bets on them.
You sign them to hefty amounts of money, but that

(55:20):
as their careers move on, end up turning into bargains.
You ask yourself, who are the guys most likely to
be here long term? Who are the guys we're most
likely to want to keep beyond those first six years
of team control? Who are the guys whose costs we
want to control? The Reds haven't done any of this.

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The Brewers, the team they should be striving to be,
just did it twice. Brendan Sorosby's going to play college football?
What does this mean for the NCUBLEA. What can the
NCAA do? What can the Big twelve do? Our sports
legal expert joins us.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
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Speaker 2 (56:10):
Twenty seven from five. This is ESPN fifteen to thirty Moegger, Brendiman,
and Jones on baseball in just about twenty minutes, sports
headlines on the way. We can't talk about Brendan Soresby
without bringing in our sports legal analyst, attorney Steward W.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Penrose from the Manila Law Group.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
He has I think over the last month and a half,
this has become the Brendan Soresby segment, but always provides
expert analysis from a legal perspective and kind of not
to join us as always because it's Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
How are we doing?

Speaker 9 (56:43):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 6 (56:44):
Mo? How about you?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
We were texting yesterday morning as this was unfolding, and
I was surprised, and most observers were surprised that the
ruling went the way that it did.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I gather that you were surprised as well.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
We'll dive into the nuts and bolts of it, but
what were your initial reaction when we saw yesterday's news.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
No, I had to double before Tesh, had to double
check my eyes to make sure that what I was
reading wasn't coming from the satire website. I mean, this
was a completely shocking ruling. You know, for gambling has
always been the cardinal centam sports when we live in Cincinnati.
I mean, need I say more? You know, we've seen
what the effects of gambling can have on an athlete,

(57:26):
and here you have, you know, seeingly everybody on the
same side except for sores being a lawyers and one
judge in Texas.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
So we've We've talked about some of these cases involving
student athletes who have sued for an extra year of eligibility,
But it did feel like there were a few basic
rules that the NC DOUBLEA was still going to have
the legal power to enforce.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
What does this do for that?

Speaker 9 (57:52):
I mean, assumingly is the final nail in the cost
and it seemingly cuts the NCUBA off at the waismo.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
You know, is you have.

Speaker 9 (58:01):
Little to no consequence for a gambling and you can
step back out in the field. What's to say that
you could be stopped from doing anything that the NC
double A can prevent you from playing for anything. You've
got a clear pathway that you can go find a judge,
and I know that they got a judge from fort
Worth that they didn't have necessarily a local judge. But

(58:22):
you can get a home court there and you know,
seemingly get get a ruin in your favor and get
back out in the field and get back out and
make your nil money. It's hard to argue that you can't.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Right now, is there anything the NC douable A can
do from a legal perspective, Well.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
They're filowing an appeal and they're asking for for for
a decision to be accelerated. I mean, let's be honest here, mean,
appeals take time. Even if it's accelerated. You know, how
can they get that in before the season? And you know,
not trying to say a judge is biased here, but
you know this would go to the Seventh District Court
of Appeal in Amarillo, Texas, in West Texas. There are

(59:03):
four justices on that panel. I'll give you one guess
where every single one.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Of them went to law school.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
They went to Texas Tech.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Exactly do we really think that that this that this
decision is going to get changed by that court? No,
exactly Exactly. Soarsby doesn't need to win this case, he
just needs to run off the clock, and it seems
like that's what's going to happen here.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Is there a scenario where whereby he plays the season,
the appeal is still heard, the court rules in favor
of the n C double A, and then Texas Tech
is rule to have retroactively used an athlete who should
have been ineligible and then have to suffer the consequences
of that.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
Well, you can't I get you are you're talking about
in terms of vacating wins and vacating things that happen
while they have sorees.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 9 (01:00:06):
I suppose that said, if they're using a player that
you know, a court has deemed eligible at the time,
and under this order, the n c double A and
the conferences are powerless to stop him from playing. I
don't see how they could strip everything if they were
powerless to keep them off the field at the time.

(01:00:26):
But you know, we keep being surprised with every ruling
and everything that comes out every day, so who knows.
But I would certainly be surprised if what happens in
the field is later stripped, given that you know, this
judge is allowing him to play, and they have they
have to abide by the order barring bar and the
injunction being shot down. They they truly seem powerless.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
There was the Charles Bettiaco story, the guy who sued
for eligibility in Alabama. He ended up getting eligibility, He
played in a handful of games, and then he was
later declared ineligible, So that whole process went.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Down pretty quickly. Could something like that happen here?

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
It's possible if if the NCAA wins their appeal. They're
asking for it to be accelerated, but there still has
to be appellate briefs made by both sides, like the
oral arguments as well. I mean, the courts, you know,
they understand the time mean of this here and if
he takes the field and this is all a moot issue.

(01:01:31):
So yeah, I'm sure they probably will get a decision
in before the season, but it's up to whether the
NCAA wins that decision or not. And you know, you're
going to be going into a court in West Texas
with with Ford Texas Tech long lung justices, and you know,
we we'll see what those odds are at the end
of the day and on what plays out. But I

(01:01:51):
think I think I think our sensibilities are in the
right place.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
There, Yes, yeah, no question. Attorney store W. Penro is
from the Manilo Law Group. So precedent is a term
that's always used when when we talk about, you know,
significant legal cases.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
So what precedent has been said here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
If I'm a student athlete and I decide, you know what,
I'm gonna make some wagers that prior to this ruling
I would have assumed would make me ineligible if I'm caught, now,
can I go ahead and do them and use Brendan
Sorosby's argument that, hey, for my mental health, I should
be allowed to continue playing. What President has been said here?

Speaker 9 (01:02:29):
Legally, how can you say that President isn't said, I mean,
it certainly is here. Who's to say that anything doesn't
go at this point? Yes, absolutely, you could foresee other
athletes doing the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
And you know, using.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
Mental health is.

Speaker 9 (01:02:47):
As a weapon to evade, to evade any form of
responsibility or any form of punishment for your actions. And
that from from everything I saw, on everything that I read,
seemed to be the sense here that hey, you know
I have a mental health condition and you know, therefore
I shouldn't be responsible for my actions. And it seems

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that that's what the court.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
Went along with with this.

Speaker 9 (01:03:11):
And you know, how can we possibly say that that
presient isn't said for others to do the same thing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Absolutely, I mean, you know, for me, like I read
his attorney's case that well, this would have caused irreparable harm,
and I believe that. But isn't that the point behind
a punishment, whether it's in a court or even at
your workplace? Isn't that the point of punishment to provide
some harm to the person who's being punished.

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
Absolutely. I mean, you know, we talk about the NC
double A in some some way, shape or form every
week on here because it's always interesting different things that
come out to challenge the NC double A and their
rapid downfall is interesting. And there are a lot of
legitimate reasons to dislike the NC Double A and want
to root against the NC Double A. There's a million

(01:04:00):
reasons for it, but not this one, not this one,
And everybody's everybody's minds are exploding. You know what we're
hearing about schools and saying that we will not play
Texas Tech in any sport, the big twelves and meetings
with your market all the ads today and he's not
publicly divulging what's being said, but you know, schools and

(01:04:22):
administrations are lived over this. If you can't even a
full punishments for gambling, what's left at the end of
the day.

Speaker 7 (01:04:33):
You know, does the sports?

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
College sports are being run by a by district judges
that are making, you know, rulings that that hamp down
anything the NCAA wants to do. And you know it's
one thing when you're talking about, Okay, there's a Trinidad shambles,
an old miss in, an extra year for a medical
red shirt, okay, whatever. Honestly, even talking about the uh

(01:04:57):
NBA G League players coming back and get in college
on ambilogy seems innocuous compared to this, well said mine
just keeps getting moved and moved. And you know, yesterday
it just showed that there is no line. Is it's
hard to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
They're at there's no line. An organization that can enforce
its own rules is not a legitimate organization. And so
I guess the basic takeaway that so many of us
had is we've seen the INCIDAA take so many losses
in court, and so it's legitimacy has already been brought
into question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
This kills it as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
No, it kills it. I mean a couple of things here.
I mean, bring your first and foremost, the integrity of it.
How can we watch a game right now, a college game,
and trust that we're watching legitimate competition. You have players
that are placing bets, that are allowed to go back
and play as if nothing ever happened. How can we

(01:05:52):
trust that that's going to be in the back of
your mind anytime you watch bringing Sewersy throw a pass.
And let's be honest here, I am sure he is
not the only college athlete.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
That has been betting or will be betting.

Speaker 9 (01:06:04):
How do we how do fans trust the integrity of
what they're watching? But on the flip side model, you know,
people are living over this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
Right now, and you.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
Either have to fight or die sometimes, and it really
feels like one of those moments, and you know, maybe
this will be a watershed moment that can help get
Congress to ask to act on this, to get something
to help TEW Sports survive in some real meaningful way.
You know, if not this, then what could bring this forward?

(01:06:37):
And you know, hopefully something good can come out of
this long term. As ridiculous as that sounds looking at
the last thirty four hours.

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Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Traffic from the UC Hill Test. Game four is tomorrow,
San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
That game last night was all about the Spurs, and
you tip your hat sometimes. Wim min Yama was terrific.
San Antonio defense in the second half was phenomenal. I
thought they took the knicks out of a lot of
what they wanted to do in the half court. New
York was very complicit in its own demise. McHale, Bridges,

(01:08:13):
nothing Burger, Landry Shammitt, nothing Burger, Karl Anthony Towns in
the fourth quarter, nothing Burger. I try to be consistent
in life, usually with no success, but I'm consistent in
sports in this one regard. I don't have a lot
of tolerance for people just belly aching about officiating. There

(01:08:34):
were two calls last night that went Again, there were
non calls that went against New York that I didn't like,
but I thought it was a really, really physical game.
They let them play. The game was not decided by officiating.
San Antonio got to the free throw line more because
they were more aggressive, and the Knicks were starting their offense,
you know, forty forty five feet away from the basket

(01:08:54):
and not attacking at all. And when that's the case,
you get rewarded for driving into the you get rewarded
for throwing the ball into the paint. You don't often
get rewarded with a ton of free throws by just
settling for jumpers. And so I actually feel a little
bit more at ease today as a Knicks fan than

(01:09:16):
I did going into yesterday. There was just something about
the vibe that I didn't like. Now I don't think
that affected the team. I watched this team all season long.
I think they're mature. I think they're professional. I don't
believe they got too far ahead of themselves, but a
lot of fans did, a lot of people who cover
the NBA and cover New York did, so maybe the

(01:09:38):
atmosphere will be different. I felt like because of the
circumstances surrounding the game, the crowd in the fourth quarter
sounded a little spent. But that game last night, to me,
was about the best player on the floor, the best
player in this series being the best player on the floor,
not making critical mistakes late and when the the game

(01:10:00):
got tight and tough, San Antonio defended and played aggressively,
and the Knicks did not a little bit too brunson oriented.
I just didn't like how their offense flowed last night.
So I said, coming into the series, I thought it
was close to a coin flip. I think it's a
coin flip now. I believe the winner tomorrow night wins

(01:10:22):
the series. I still feel Okay, we haven't had an
NBA Finals in my recollection, and this is easy to
look up where the road team has won each of
the first four we've.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Had playoff series.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I think we had one a couple of years ago
between Denver and Minnesota, where the road team won each
of the first six. So you know, history is slightly
on New York side tomorrow. But if that version of
Wenby shows up and that version of San Antonio's defense
shows up, New York's gonna have to make some significant adjustments,
and they have after a loss in the playoffs, just

(01:10:55):
not against the team. The caliber of the Spurs, Brendanman
and Jones on baseball is nowx Hey, it's Maager now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. What's up? Moager?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening today. By the way,
Paul Tayner Junior is going to be here in this
hour tomorrow. We have moved him this week because he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
A job to do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Uh And so there's gonna be a lot to talk
about with Paul in twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
And all of it's good. So a couple of things
got done today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
One of him is the Bengals and Joe Burrow have
agreed to a contract restructure, which Joe has expressed publicly
a willingness to do. It's gonna give the Bengals about
ten million dollars in cap space. This is great It's
great mechanically because well, in any business, whether it's your
budget or an NFL team, the more financial wiggle room
you have, the better. Number Two, It is a sign

(01:11:54):
that the working relationship between the Bengals and Joe Burrow
is pretty good right now. Could change relationships do evolve
if the Bengals are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Bad this year and Joe is good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Don't want to go down that road, But right now
it feels like the working relationship is where it needs
to be. Number Three, the Bengals keep doing things that
you don't expect them to do. That has been the
story of this offseason. It is still remarkable. It is
still remarkable that something as relatively garden variety for the

(01:12:27):
rest of the NFL happens here, like trading the tenth
overall pick for Dexter Lawrence. It's the most shocking move
of my lifetime. Doing what they've done with Joe Burrow
isn't necessarily shocking, I guess, and it is pretty much
garden variety everywhere else. It feels like you read about

(01:12:47):
a quarterback contract restructure all the time somewhere in the NFL,
but these things don't happen here. The further the Bengals
distance themselves from things they typically don't do. Being a
thing the better. That has been what has defined this
offseason to a degree. That and calm serenity. The Bengals

(01:13:11):
will start training camp here in a month and a half,
and barring something that is not on anybody's radar, doesn't
seem like anybody's going to be holding out, doesn't necessarily
seem like anybody is going to be holding in. There's
gonna be no Chamar Stewart type situation. The other thing
that happened today, Cassius Hall signs his contract. Every Bengals

(01:13:34):
draft pick has currently signed. There's gonna be no Chamar
Stewart Shenanigans. There's gonna be no Chamar Stewart hold out
hold in. There's no reason for a draft pick to
pop off about the organization like Shamar Stewart did last year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
And by the way, Schamar Stewart may have been coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
A really good place, but the place he was coming
from didn't help the Bengals prepare for the season. There's
no Trey Hendrick in grand standing, there's no ongoing contract saga.
Nobody has requested to be traded. DJ Turner wants a
new contract. Of course he does. He is an ascending
player who is maybe maybe on the verge of breaking

(01:14:16):
through as one of this league's legitimate stars at corner.
Whatever the contract negotiations look like, they're taking place behind
the scenes, DJ Turner is at OTAs Dax Hill has
been at OTAs Bengals made the decision to not pick
up the fifth year option for Miles Murphy. Miles Murphy publicly,

(01:14:38):
at least, has handled that very very well. Chase Brown
is somebody else we could talk about a contract extension for.
Maybe it happens, maybe a doesn't. No Chase Brown, noise,
No Andrea Yoshavas noise, no noise at all. Like the
vibe seems totally different. I talked to somebody last night

(01:15:00):
who is I believe, very very very very close to
this team, who talked about the night and day difference.
And I'm not going to single out individuals, but the
night and day difference between some players who were here
last year and the guys who on some level have
come to replace them, and what that's meant for the

(01:15:20):
vibe change in the locker room, the sense of togetherness.
These things sound hokey and they're easy to talk about
in June, but man, I don't care what you say
about Zach Taylor. Over the last number of years, to
a degree, I think he's been a slightly sympathetic figure
because he's trying to prepare a team to win, to

(01:15:42):
get to the postseason, to start the season quickly, and
he's had to be the person who has to answer
publicly every day for things like contracts not getting done,
franchise tags, players who have asked for trades, hold in holdouts.
Zach Taylor's got to be the guy who handles all that. Now,

(01:16:05):
a really good head coach understands that there's gonna have
to be stuff they navigate through, there's gonna have to
be stuff they work through, and there's gonna be a
times things they have to answer for that they don't
have anything to do with. But you can reach a limit,
and I have felt like in recent years like maybe
Zach Taylor is close to reaching his limit, Not that
he has ever popped off and anybody or gotten mad

(01:16:26):
or used any of the off field distractions or off
season distractions as an excuse, but none of those things
have helped the cause of winning. It is I've joked
about this here from a talk radio perspective June. In July,
I have mined the the Trey Hendrickson stuff and the

(01:16:46):
Shamar Stewart stuff, and the Jamar Chase stuff, and the
t Higgins stuff, and the Jesse Bays stuff and Joe
Mixon and trade requests and all of this stuff. It
has made my job much, much, much, much easier. We've
joked about putting Trey Hendrickson in the ESPN fifteen thirty
Ring of Honor. We still have a picture of him

(01:17:09):
here in studio of him signing his contract with a
big old smile on his face. In part because he
made our jobs easier, he also made Zach Taylor's job
more difficult. Right now, there's nothing, nothing that's making Zach
Taylor's job more difficult. This is awesome. As a fan,

(01:17:32):
it is awesome. Training camp is going to begin in
six seven weeks, and we're not gonna be sifting through
unless something pops up that is not on anybody's radar.
We're not gonna be sifting through controversies, holdouts. We're not
even gonna be wondering, maybe aside from linebacker, perhaps lock corner.

(01:17:54):
Remember when training camp started last year. It's like, uh,
are they gonna go add some offensive linemen? Who else
is still out there? And by the way, they got
Dalton Reisner. No excuses has been one of the themes
of this season. This offseason has provided the Bengals no excuses,
and it's also been an off season where they have
done a lot of things, including restructuring Joe Burrow's contract,

(01:18:19):
that you simply do not expect them to do. I
don't know about you. One of my deepest wishes for
this franchise. Yes, I want them to win. Yes, I
loved to broadcast from a Bengals Super Bowl parade one day.
But above and beyond that, I would love to get
rid of quote that's just not what they do from

(01:18:44):
a regular part of our Bengals conversations. How many times
have you heard that? How many times have you said
that quote? That's just not what they do. Maybe as
it relates to how they handle a contract extension, maybe
as it relates to how they handle free agency, maybe
as it relates to how they handle trades. That's just

(01:19:04):
not what they do contract restructures during the offseason for
a quarterback or anybody else. Frankly, quote, that's just not
what they do today.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
They did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Fourteen minutes after five o'clock. Reds lose again last night.
The question is not is it gonna get better? I
assume it will. I assume they'll play better than they have.
I assume some of these guys who aren't contributing much
in the bullpen will pitch better. Chase Burns throws tonight,
so they've got a shot to win the ballgame. I

(01:19:41):
assume they'll get healthier. Like those things will probably happen.
The question is, though, in the short term, how much
worse is this gonna get?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
How much worse is this gonna get?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Is a question that we asked often in April and
early May of twenty twenty two. Remember what happened early
in twenty twenty two. The red sunk to three and
twenty two and the season was over before it even began.
Started by winning two of their first four and then

(01:20:14):
lost what twenty of their next twenty one just absolutely
miserable and often during that stretch with a team that
I think most of us would agree is on paper
worse than the one the Reds have right now. How
many times did you ask God how much worse is

(01:20:36):
this gonna get? I think we were all really hoping
that in twenty twenty six we would be no longer
asking the same questions we were asking in twenty twenty two.
But how do you not with the bad defense, the
bad fundamentals.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Last night in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
The eighth inning, trying to pick up a bunt, absolute
clown show, absolutely show. The bad defense killed this team
in Saint Louis. The bad bullpen work has killed this
team for most of the season. Top heavy offense, don't
have Ellie de la Cruz. Now, God love Matt McClain.
He has turned things on here recently, but still a

(01:21:17):
top heavy team without Ellie de la Cruz, major major deficiencies. Offensively,
You've got starting pitchers you can't rely on. Andrew Abbitt
was good last night. Chase Burns has been better. Uh,
he's been terrific. But by and large, you watch this
team and you ask, how much worse is it gonna
get by the time it gets better? How much bad

(01:21:39):
will it? How much worse will it be, How bad
will it be? How far from first place will they be?
They're already ten and a half out. How much out
of contention will they be? It is late early three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Under five hundred on June ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Five point three, seven four nine fifteen thirty will get
you in eight six six seven h two three seven
seven six. The Brendan Sorosby discussions happening around the country
are good and sometimes funny. Look, man Brendan Sorosby shouldn't
play college football, but he's going to. So let's lean

(01:22:16):
into it. As a fan. Let's lean into it. If
you're running the Big twelve, you should lean into it.
We'll spend some time on that, And I mean Major
League Baseball creates disadvantages for teams like the Reds, but
they also give multiple gifts every summer, gifts the Reds
have given back. I'll explain that next ESPN fifteen thirty
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Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
I did it officially, I called.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
It an X page, even though I usually referred to
it as as Twitter. I asked before, what do the
Reds organizationally, and I'm I'm not. I'm not talking about
like the ballpark experience, the community fund, the Hall of Fame,
the broadcast, like baseball, the base the part that matters

(01:23:33):
the most as an organization. What can they hang their
hat on. What is the one thing that year in
and year round they do really really well. You know,
back in the day, we used to kind of WinCE
whenever we heard about the Cardinal Way. And the Cardinal
Way was just a way of doing things right, a

(01:23:55):
way of doing things that, by the way, seem to
work for a very long time. There was this constant
turn of players when they got to the big leagues
just seemed like they knew how to play. Reds have
anything resembling that. Are they really really really good at
getting value from cast off players from other organizations who

(01:24:17):
provide cheap labor? Is there a complete lean in on
one particular way to play out offense. Are they known
as a team and an organization that seems like it
really stresses fundamentals? Do they really feel like an organization

(01:24:38):
that has no tolerance for mistakes? If the answers are yes, man,
I'm all ears. You know it's interesting. You'll hear folks
who complain about, well, they can't do what the Dodgers do,
and there's a lot of validity to those complaints. But

(01:25:00):
like Major League Baseball hands teams, whether you're the Marlins
or the Reds, or the A's or the Pirates or
the Royals, or the Brewers or the Rays or the
Guardians or teams like the Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies, major
League Baseball hands everybody draft picks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
So you can go, okay, look.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
They're never going to really jump into the pool of
pricey free agents. Okay, cool, Well, an, you better be
good at doing other things like exposing some market inefficiencies,
something the Rays are known for, something the Brewers have
become known for. You better be good at drafting and
developing young talent. If you go back, let's look at

(01:25:46):
Red's second rounders.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Since twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
There are two who have given this team above four
war wins above replacement, Andrew Abbott and Tony Santi. The
last Red's third round draft choice to give the team
itself the Reds higher than three war Aaron Boone, who

(01:26:13):
was drafted in nineteen ninety three. Eleven of the last
twelve Red's fourth round picks have yet to play an
inning in the major leagues. The best Red's fifth round
draft choice this century TJ Antone, a guy who God

(01:26:36):
love him, has had more surgeries than on field success.
And that's no knock on TJ. But I think it illustrates.
Like there's first rounders, there's international signings, there's Ellie Dela Cruz,
there's Hunter Green, Nicolodolo, Chase Burns, Rat Lauder, Sal Stewart.
But like you know, drafting is more about the obvious

(01:26:58):
guy you take in round one. He's somewhat obvious guy
you take in round one. It's about depth. It's about
getting a lot of guys who are a part of
your team in stay and contribute at least for those
first six seasons, so you could you can make the
complaint that they can't do what the Dodgers do. Or
there's no cap, or they can't spend what some of

(01:27:18):
the other teams spend, And fine, I'm here for that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
But what you can do is be really good at
drafting and developing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Just look at the alert the first five rounds of
the draft for the last let's say, fifteen years. How
many guys have stuck, how many guys have had sustained
success in a Red's uniform. And I don't want to
be totally unfair, like I'm not gonna count that much
players drafted in like the last three years, but I

(01:27:48):
think fifteen years pretty good sample size since twenty eleven.
Two guys that have contributed Abbot and Santia. Tony Santion
contributed last year. He's not been very good this season.
You have to go back thirty three years to find
the last Reds third round pick to give the Reds

(01:28:09):
higher than three war He's now the manager of the
New York Yankees. By the way, the one Red's fourth
round pick who played for the team, the guy that
I can't even remember, TJ. Anton, the best fifth rounder
of recent vintage. Like dude, So like, all right, we

(01:28:29):
got a point to things. They do really well as
an organization find hidden gems. You know they've grabbed some
guys you could call cast off from other organizations and
gotten something out of them. JJ bleda very good pickup.
You got to be really really good at getting those
sort of guys. They can't be outliers. You got to
be really good at getting and developing your own talent

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in your system. There can't be a gap. There's got
to be a NonStop turn that for the most part,
hasn't been the case for a very long long time.
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Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
You know, quickly on the Brendan Soresby thing like there's
the NCAA part of this which the NCAA as an organization,
if it can enforce its rules, then it's it's not
a legitimate organization. This is awful for the NCAA. Brendon Soresby,
though being allowed to play college football is awesome for
college football. Sports are about characters. Sports are about draws.

(01:31:08):
Brendan Soresby is a character. Now, he's a villain for most,
he is unquestionably a draw. It's one of the biggest
storylines of the college football season. How is Brendan Soresby
going to play? How is his team going to do?
What reception is he going to get? How much is
his play going to be scrutinized. Big twelve chancellors, presidents

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eighties got together today and Bret your mark to commissioners
said like, we're going to keep those conversations to ourselves
for now. What they should be doing is figuring out
how can we monetize and market Brendan Soresby. Let's face it, man,
the Big twelve does lag behind the SEC and the
Big ten to a degree. He's a character, He's a draw,

(01:31:54):
He's somebody who matters. How many Big twelve quarterbacks can
you name right now? Probably not that many How many
Big Twelve players can you name right now? So you
have the most talked about player in college football playing
for a program that won the Big Twelve last year,
that played in the College Football Playoff. That is a

(01:32:15):
good chance to play in it again this year. All right, Fine,
we can go all moral high ground about this. We
could talk about how wrong this decision is. We could
talk about how Brendan Sorosby broke a rule and is
now really not going to be held accountable for it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
All of those things are fair.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
But as a sports fan game on, let's go how
many legitimate characters in college football have there been? Who
aren't coaches going into a season? They emerge as the
season unfolds. Fernando Mendoza became one last year the Heisman
Trophy race becomes a thing and we learn more about
the particular's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Diego Pavia became one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
He ain't playing college Footballnano men Doz is not playing
college football. There aren't a ton of them, and there
aren't a ton of them that move the meter like
Brendan Soresby. Will My mom knows who Brendan Soresby is.
My wife knows who Brendan Soorsby is. Chances are people
you know who don't follow college football a lot, or
at least really wouldn't be watching much Texas Tech football

(01:33:21):
know who he is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
This is awesome for college football.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Brendan Soersby's twenty twenty six debut for Texas Tech, which
is against Houston. I'll watch Brendan Soorsby versus U see
has a lot more punched to it than Texas Tech
versus you see. With somebody else playing quarterback, that's an event.
I'm for events. If you're the Big Twelve, lean into this.

(01:33:49):
If you're among the Big twelve's broadcast partners, lean into this.
Here's a character, here's a draw. Here's someone who's gonna
move the meter. People who move the meter are great
for sports. Brendan Soresby's case really bad for the NCAA.
Brendan Soorsby being allowed to play college football really good

(01:34:13):
for college football. He has been dying to tease me
about the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Go ahead, Mike, thank you, mo.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
I was gonna go somewhere else for a minute. First.
I just heard a great interview with Tom Ferducci. He's
pretty good, is terrifically Yes, he's maybe the best on
that side. And this is I was going to talk
about the red but we already know what the red
problems are there. They have no wins in the division,
they don't know how to identify talent. Well, we can

(01:34:46):
go on on. We talked about it all before, so
it's a waste of time. But Berducci was saying in
look At, Look At talking about the older players from
age thirty one to thirty, for instance, Manny Machado League
bottom one sixty six hitting, And what Tom was saying is,

(01:35:10):
if becoming a younger sport, these these younger hitters are
used to hitting against pitchers that have a lot more
pitches than they used to have, and so the hitters
have to cover a lot more ground than they used to.
So the younger guys have grown up with that. The
older guys, that's why they're having so much problem now.

(01:35:30):
He said. Cody Bellinger is a little bit of an exception.
He's kind of between them. But like you said, last night,
Bellinger had three hits ground balls, one right field, one
center field, one right field because he adjusts his swings
in his approach to the pitcher, And I thought that
was fascinating. Then He went on to talk about the

(01:35:52):
younger umpires have much higher grades than the older guys
because they'd been indoctrinated into the ABS. They can get
down lower, their eyes are better, and a variety of
things which makes them, in general so far metrically the
better umpires. I just thought that was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
I've thought about that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Chris Welsh actually talked about that, I don't remember if
it was TV or radio early in the season, where
he talked about there being umpires, younger umpires who have
come up with the ABS system and haven't been allowed
to personalize the strike zone. What I love about the
ABS is the strike zone was never meant to be
interpreted or personalized. It was meant to be enforced. Now

(01:36:34):
you and I are old enough, Mike to remember when
you would hear about how you know, Eric greg will
give you two inches on each side, or Doug Harvey
won't call the high strike, or Bruce Framing won't call
the low strike.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
That's all well and good. That's not how it was
supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
The strike zone was never meant to be personalized to
the preferences of an umpire, and so I think what
you have is you do have younger umpires who have
been trained in a system where here's the strike zone,
here's how I have to enforce it, and if I don't,
ABS is gonna check me.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
And this is the same situation that the hitters are in. Evidently,
it was evidently easier to hit the pitchers that are
a little older because they didn't have the variety of
pitches that the young guys have. Even though we always
just talk about the heat, the heat, the heat, but
evidently that's not the case in a lot of situations.
I just thought i'd share that with you because it

(01:37:28):
really opened my eyes. I thought it was really I
love it something.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
The other one is, you know, Joey Vado did a
podcast with Jason Starkville and doug Landville that or Jason
Starkin doug Landville called Starkville that he talked about a
lot of different things, but what didn't get as much
of attention, and what I thought was most interesting about
what he had to say is he talked about what
it would have been like to hit with ABS now

(01:37:53):
when he was trying to make the Toronto Blue Jays
and he spent you know a few months in the
minor leagues I think they had as but he talked
about like at his peak, where hey, look I trusted this.
I trusted my knowledge of the strike zone. If I
were to have backing of a computer that would confirm
what I knew about the strike zone, I would have
been an even more dangerous hitter.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
It is interesting, you know. I just I just you know,
you think you know a lot about something and then
somebody just goes, wait a minute, cowboy, you don't really
know what as much as you think you know.

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So that's that's that's me. That's me on a daily basis.

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No, it's not mo you or some kind of guy.
You didn't get the money order. Obviously you said, see
I probably you know what. When you said leave it blank,
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I don't know how honest these people are work at
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You see what I'm saying, Well, if you want to
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The folks that we raise money for are grateful for
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Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
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you're out of luck. Calboy anyway, basketball real quick, I
know you gotta go. Uh, what's Brunch are doing? Last night?
I counted a minimum of ten times where he dribbled
the ball for at least sixteen to nineteen seconds, not

(01:39:22):
one cast. What the hell is?

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
That drove me nuts?

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
And I there's there's a there's part of that that
that is to san Antonio's credit, because I thought they
defended him and the other Nicks guards really really tightly,
and so you've got a credit, san Antonio. But Mike,
I'm with you. They were Brunson was dribbling for sixteen
seconds at a time, forty feet from the basket. Nobody

(01:39:49):
was coming over to screen, nobody was coming over to
take the ball. They stopped running the offense through Kat.
Everything just got clunky and sloppy, and it was maddening
last night. It was as awesome as Jalen Brunson has
been for the New York Knicks in that environment, in
that setting, with that on the line, the way it

(01:40:12):
just became two brunts ecentric, drove me nuts.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
It shocked me. And anon Oviy was he was the
only thing guy that kept them in the game at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Yeah, Shama was bad, Towns was bad, Bridges was bad.
And like, if you had not watched the Knicks in
the postseason last night, but all you had heard about
was the offense and the ball movement, you would watch
that last night and go, wait a minute, were you
talking about a different team. It was entirely different than
it had been all season, but certainly during the thirteen

(01:40:44):
game winning streak. I credited San Antonio for that to
a large degree. But how the Knicks offense just got
stuck early in the second half and never really got
out of what they were in.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
It may cost him the series. I'll admit that may
cost him the series.

Speaker 6 (01:41:01):
It made And Stephan Castle once he rounds out his offensive, Oh,
that guy's all Pro every year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Like him and Harper, I mean, they're they're just loaded
with dudes who have yet to reach their full potential,
and they might win an NBA title. It gets it's
so scary for the rest of the league. Like it's
I give that team a lot of credit for how
they played, because they took the fight to the Knicks,
they handled the environment, they took New York out of

(01:41:31):
what they were doing. I really believed seven point game
at half, that the Knicks were going to come out
in the first three or four minutes and put their
foot on them and basically end the series. And San
Antonio didn't let that happen. That that team, and look,
I'm rooting for New York harder than anybody you'll talk to.
But that team last night, for the way they played,
I think deserves a lot of credit.

Speaker 6 (01:41:52):
I do too, and and and the other thing. Here's
one last question. I heard mad Dog Russo this warning
and he said that, you know, he knows Wemby's going
to be something special, but he said he's at this
point because Kareem was twenty two years old when he
got his first championship with the Bucks and then brought

(01:42:12):
Oscar with him, and or brought Oscar with him and
then got But but but Wemby is not as talented
as Kareem was at that age right now because of
the Skybook. No way, not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah maybe, I mean, you know, was was Kareem? I mean,
we didn't have the three point shot back then. But
was Kareem pulling up and making twenty five footers.

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
No, he didn't have to, right, you know, he didn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Now he had he had to, maybe he would have,
but I mean, you know, I don't know. I mean
if if Victor Webbin Yama in his third year is
already drawing comparisons or already at least in the conversation
with Kareem Abdul Jabbar, that's that says a lot. That
says a lot about Victor Webbin Yama.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
You're you hit the nail on the head. And that's
what Dan Patrick straightening out about it, exactly what you
just said. He said, if you're putting him in the
same words with Kareem, that's quite complimented. Yeah, but he's
got to quit playing like he wants to be a
six foot five forward. He's going to have to stop that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Yeah, he played closer to the basket last night.

Speaker 6 (01:43:15):
Yeah, he did at the beginning. Especially what's at the
tone I know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
You and he was, and what he was doing last night,
which I thought stood out to me, is he was
actually setting screens. You know, the first two games of
the series, he was he was coming over and sort
of like throwing out his hip or throwing out his arm.
Last night he was setting picks, and uh, we'll see
if that continues. He should be given a flagrant one

(01:43:39):
for shoving Jalen Brunson. That is the only issue I
had with the officiating last night, missing that call, which
you can't go back in time, but you could assess
a flagrant because he deserved one, and he.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Did and Mike, Mike Brown took it to and well
they had twenty they had, we had twenty four thousand,
they had eight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Come on, come on like this personal more aggress of
this personal aggressive like it was a physical game. Is
a physical game, and stuff's going to be let go
during a physical game. And I thought it was on
both sides. San Antonio got to the free throw line
more because they were the more aggressive team. Didn't bother
me at all.

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
And look at that twenty one year old Castle with
seven seconds on the clock, get up there and just
brain to them like it was playing in the backyarder.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
The winner of tomorrow night's game will win the series.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
I agree, Thanks, Mal, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
I know you got to go have a great night, Mike.
We have to go because the show is over. Go
home and rest my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Uh Danner with us in the five o'clock hour tomorrow.
Have a great night. Thank you for listening, and we'll
talk to you tomorrow at three oh five. Thanks to
Taran Bland for producing. We're back at three tomorrow. Have
a great night.

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