8-14-26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show Hour 3

8-14-26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show Hour 3

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Battles to breakout players.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Follow Bengals training camp as it happens on ESPN fifteen
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
All right, it's five oh five, five o'clock hour on
a Friday. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Moagar, Thank
you for listening today. Hope you've had an awesome, awesome Friday.
The weekends off to a great start. Interesting email. Sometimes
I'm not even sure I could read the one that

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I just got.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
MO at my email. I never give out the email.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Address, and maybe, based on what I've gotten today, maybe
for good reason, MO at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com
as a good discussion you just heard there on Brendanman
and Jones on baseball. If you were with us on
Hunter Green and uh I you know it's it's it's
very natural and very easy and very fair to look

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back and go Could all of this have been avoided
had some things been done differently this offseason? I'm not
a doctor. I don't know. But if there was a rift,
or if there was a I don't know, a break
in the relationship between Hunter Green and the Reds based

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on injury, I don't know that Tommy John surgery that's
going to cause him the miss all of next year
is gonna help it is, Look man, Hunter Green has
made ninety six starts in five years. He's not dependable.
That's a statement about his body. It's not a statement
about his character. But the role that he is supposed

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to play is going to be really, really hard to fill.
And I know Chase Burns is awesome. This team is
built around having excellent pitching. Look man, they traded for
a guy like key Brian Hayes. Look at how they've
assembled their roster. The priority is an offense. It's high
end starting pitching. Chase Burns's high end. Hunter Green at

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his best is two. Unfortunately he's never healthy enough to
be at his best. We'll talk to doctor Brandon course
Orthos since he on this topic. The physiological part of
this coming up in about twenty five minutes the Bengals
game last night. At the top of the show yesterday,
we talked about the D word, the D word being death.

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Yes we were gonna see Joe Burrow, and yes we
were gonna see some of the first team offensive linemen,
and yes we were gonna see the star receivers. But
that preseason game was about depth, and yeah, with the starters,
Joe operating under center and showing us a glimpse of
some of the things that they've worked on, and the
results were mixed, but I thought they moved the ball

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pretty well. But those games it's about death. We talk
a lot about the Bengals roster. Boy, is this the
best roster they've had in five years?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Is this the best roster they've had since twenty twenty two?
Is it the best roster in the AFC North Well,
the answer is not yes if they have no death.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The answer could be yes if they do. And so
to me, and we talked about.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
This yesterday, I was interested in what do we learn
about the Bengals depth. Nobody's making definitive conclusions or making
assumptions based on one preseason game.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
But could we see could we see.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Something to suggest that at certain positions Bengals are going
to have a lot of options. Bengals are going to
have a lot of depth. That was the theme of
the night going in. It was the theme of the
night as the game unfolded, because, oh boy, did we
see a lot of death last night, And there were
more than just the rookies Obviously, Tony and I just
talked about some of the linebackers, but the rookie class

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stood out.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
The guys in the draft class stood out.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
No Tacario Davis last night, no Connor Low, but Landon
Robinson stood out. Landon Robinson at times had two blockers
on him and both dudes.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Were holding them.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I mean, take what you want with it, grain of salt.
He's not going up against first team offensive lineman, but
backups in the pre don't play against the first team
offensive lineman. You're gonna have to make the team largely
by how you do against backups. Last night first NFL game,
Landon Robinson did great.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So did jack Enrees. And like the touchdown that he scored.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Maybe I could have scored that touchdown, Maybe you could
have scored that touchdown. But it was a lot of
fun watching Jack Andrees make plays. Bengals have a really
fun tight end room and it starts. As far as
I'm concerned with eric Al, jack Entrees might be the
the Bengals draft pick that we talked about the least
last night. He was among those who stood out the most.

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Cash as Hal Cashus Hall has had a terrific training camp,
We've watched him abuse Orlando Brown. We've seen him in
the backfield constantly. Last night half a sack, fumble, recovery.
Cashus Hal looks like he can contribute. So does Brian Parker.
Brian Parker might be right now the Bengals best backup

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offensive lineman. That is a statement about the rest of
the offensive lineman they have, as much as it is
about Brian Parker's debut. But another guy that I'm not
sure has been making waves during training camp last night
moving people at guard and then he played a little
bit at center. We saw Kobe Young kitson passes last night.

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The rookie class and the depth stood out.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Look. This has to happen. We talk about sustained success,
consistent success. You know how you have it. You have
an excellent quarterback year after year.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Bengals have an excellent quarterback, and you consistently get instant
impact production from your cheap labor. Ideally, you're drafting for depth,
and with the way the Bengals built this team, in
large part because of the offensive continuity, but also what
they did in acquiring players from other teams this year's draft,

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it didn't feel like they needed a player to come
in and be a game wrecker. Now, you could argue,
had they used the tenth overall pick on a college player,
maybe that's what they would have been looking for. Instead,
they flipped it for Dexter Lawrence. We're all on board
with that. But the rest of the draft. Give me
some depth, give me some guys that can make contributions

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year one. And if you could do that consistently, man,
just think about the reaches you're not gonna have to
make in free agency. Just think about the things that
you're not gonna have to do in building the roster.
If you can consistently produce rookie classes that can give
you something almost instantly. This is a cheap labor league, right,

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It's about paying stars, and it's about getting a lot
from the cheap labor middle class players being squeezed out
if they can. And let's not get too far ahead
of ourselves. It was one game against Lion Scrubs, but
the Bengals rookie class I thought last night showed out.
Chris Jenkins did too. Chris Jenkins is not a rookie,

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but he might as well be because he's done next
to nothing in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Last night.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
He was phenomenal Keishawan Williams. Look, there's an interesting battle
at the return spot. Charlie Jones is gonna have to
fend off Keishawn Williams. That job became a little bit
more difficult last night. I thought the overall look of
the defense, and there were some mistackles, not as many.
I thought the overall look of the defense was pretty
impressive last night. It felt like Dan Hortt talked about

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this in the postgame show. It felt like no matter
what combination of defensive lineman the Bengals had out there,
that they were winning at the point of attack. Tony
likes to use the term party in the backfield that
were putting pressure on Detroit's quarterbacks Dante Myers. Obviously, I
talked about this earlier in the show. The clip of

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Joe Burrow talking about calling Dante Myers and him driving
up from Atlanta late at night and being there for
an eleven am throwing session. Those are the sort of
things you do, and I talked about this in the
first hour of the show.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
If you're a young person, the three words that I
heard from.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Joe Burrow last night were I can be meaning he
asked Dante Myers, hey, can you can you be here
for a throwing session? And his response was I can
be if you're and I can be person, you're gonna
get opportunities. What happened last night? Dante Myers got opportunities.
They ran him using a jet sweep, they threw him

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the football. He's done a whole lot to impress. It
wasn't an awesome night for Taj Brooks. It wasn't an
awesome night for Dejon Anthony. It wasn't an awesome night
for some of the Bengals backup offensive lineman. Wasn't an
awesome night for Josh Johnson. Was not a good night
for Orlando Brown. I'm not picking on Orlando Brown.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm not eric O'Neil abused him.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Eric O'Neil is an undrafted free agent who played it
with James Madison and Rutgers. Not picking on Orlando Brown
because I will see and I've looked at social media.
Come on, man, it's one play in a preseason game.
Let me ask you this. If Orlando Brown played for
the Detroit Lions last night and Eric O'Neil was a

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Bengal and eric O'Neil as a Bengal did to Orlando
Brown as a Lion, What Eric O'Neil as a lion
did to Orlando Brown as a Bengal? Would you make
note of that? Would you file that away? Would you go, huh,
look at how our undrafted edge guy just clocked an

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experienced offensive lineman, an experienced tackle who's one of the
highest paid dudes on their team. Would you make note
of that? I would we make note of all the positive?
You got to make note of some of the negative?
And whether Orlando Brown, let's be honest about this one.
There have been moments in training camp where he has

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looked not great. The viral videos of cash is how
I like Orlando. Orlando Brown sat down with us last
week and was terrific. He's had a very good NFL career.
Orlando Brown also last season, when the Bengals offensive line
was playing really well at times, stood out. Why because
he was the one guy at times getting abused, struggling

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with more athletic edge guys, once or twice getting brought over.
There is a world where Orlando Brown is a terrific
player this year, plays like he has for most of
his career, and we don't talk about Orlando Brown.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Again, maybe certainly hope so.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
But I also think there's a world where, in part
because of the other offensive lineman, Orlando Brown is a
weak link. That can be a statement about how good
Marius Mims is and how good Dylan Fairchild is, and
how good Riiser and Karis are, or how good some
of the other players they may have to play at
that position are. But you're always looking to improve upon
the weakest link. It's also worth mentioning Orlando Brown last

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season posted his lowest Pro Football focused grade of his career.
Orlando Brown is thirty. We talk about this with baseball,
which is a sport where everybody is easy to measure
statistically and tackles an offensive lineman not nearly as much.
But you get to a certain age and you have

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so many years where your numbers regress, your numbers drop.
That's no longer it's no longer an anomaly. It's no
longer well, they had a bad year and you know
he was good two years ago. It's a trend and
it's continued, and you wonder how much more is it
going to continue. It is completely reasonable to think that

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Orlando Brown can be an average left tackle this year
for the Cincinnati Bengals. That's kind of what they're paying
him to be. But it also would be unsurprising if
the regression continued, and the regression from what he was
into tenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, that's one thing.
The regression from what he was from twenty twenty five

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to twenty twenty six, that would look a little bit different.
And so it's not a red flag. Nobody's saying, bencham,
just file it away. But when you file it away,
understand you file that moment away and you kind of
add it to unfortunately a growing list of scenes that
have involved Orlando Brown struggling. He's thirty years old. The

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regression has been documented. He was their lowest performing offensive
lineman according to Pro Football Focus grades last year. It's
just worth paying attention to. He could end this conversation
and maybe by late September we're not talking about the
guy anymore. Your thoughts are welcome. Don't have a ton

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of time, but we could squeeze one or two win
five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty eight six
six seven oh two three seven seven six. By the way,
for what it's worth, at MO poll questions thanks to
United Heartland Insurance. The majority of you are concerned about
the quality of play from the Bengals left tackle position.

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I put it as simple as that, are you concerned
about the quality of play from the Bengals left tackle position?
Seventy two point three say yes. Seventy two point three percent. Also,
seventy six point seven percent say that if a head
coach throws a challenge flag in the fourth quarter of
a preseason game and the call isn't overturned, his team

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should have to spot their Week one opponent seventeen points.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Let's see. You could vote now at.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Moeger eighteen after five, nineteen after five now, doctor Brandon,
coursem Ortho, Sincy and Tony Pike on a whole slew
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After five o'clock.

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This ISPs.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Twenty three minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Uh,
it's something I needed to get in here, and I
did not.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I was I We've been busy with Bengals stuff and
the game last night, Joe Burrow was asked about the
Jade and Daniels story, where his team is apparently mad
about the fact that his number was given to another
player on LSU. Jayden Daniels obviously had a marvelous rookie
season last year, kind of sidetracked but with injuries, and

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you know, won the Heisman Trophy at LSU. And I
guess there's everybody's mad about the fact that they gave
a player his number. Some numbers have been taken out
of circulation. I guess Joe Burrow's number. Joe Burrow's on
a different plane from an LSU perspective than Jayde and
Daniel because he won a national championship and Jaden did not.

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I don't know how you could really champion the cause
of retiring a lot of numbers in college football. I
was at UC's practice on Saturday, and the first thing
I did was I got a roster, which has never
been more needed in this era where there's tons of
new players. And one of the first things that stood

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out to me was the number of numbers that are
used by multiple players. This is not new to college football.
It's not even remotely new to college football, but it's
becoming I think, a little bit more of a.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Thing because guys really want their numbers.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
But you have a lot of numbers where it's worn
by a guy who plays offense and it's worn by
a guy who plays defense. I don't know how practical
it is to have jersey numbers retired in college football
with roster sizes, and like, I also think that this

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is a little bit of a story about how legacies
for college players now aren't what they used to be.
And I am not going to be the old guy
who wants to pine on for for hours on end
about what college sports used to look like, what it
used to be like, and why it's it's not as
it's not they're not as good as they used to be.

(16:24):
Like I'm I am, I am about I am a
fan of about eighty percent of the stuff we have
in college sports right now, But it's a little bit
more difficult to carve out a legacy when you're for hire,
when you're more of a mercenary. The most I think

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revered players in college football and basketball at most schools,
and there are exceptions. Fernando Mendoza at Indiana would be one,
but like, I'm a UC basketball fan, I reveal ye
a Kenyan Martin. Why do I revere Kenyon Martin? Well,
the obvious reason is his senior season was iconic. But

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you know what I love most about Kenyon Martin was
watching the four year process. Was watching the growth of
a guy who his first year they couldn't put in
the game to his second year could heavily impact a
game on defense. But you didn't throw them the ball
to a guy who in his third season might have
been the best defensive player in the sport, who could

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make an open jump shot, who could finish around the rim,
and by his senior year he was the best player
in the country in the number one overall pick in
the draft.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Love that evolution.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Gary Clark, same thing, a little bit different, not as
good as Kenyan, more of a finished product. As a freshman,
you develop a four year relationship fan player relationship that
doesn't happen as much now.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's just it's easier. If you're a Xavier fan.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You feel that way about David West left early David
West or Trayvon Blewett or Romaine Sodo, among others, and
you feel maybe a little bit differently about guys who
come in for a year, like come in for a year,
have an awesome season. It's terrific. It's the era in
which we live. And you know, the one year guys

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who transcend and take a team to a place where
it's never been before. You know, they can sort of
cut through. But you know, if Jane Daniels is hoping
to be viewed in the same light as all time
LSU greats, I think it's really hard to do in
this day and age of college sports. And that's an

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LSU thing, it's a Kentucky thing. It's Kentucky's maybe a
little bit different because they rightfully embrace one and doun's
when John Kellaperry got to Lexington. But you know, with
just these sort of you know, four higher transactional, you know,
mercenary sort of you know dynamics in play here, I

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think it's more and more difficult for a college athlete
to craft out a legacy that folks are going to
feel strongly about whether or not his jersey number is retired.
There are exceptions to that. I don't think there are
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Hall of Fame and Museum, Danny Jackson and Chris Hammond
are going to be there. Danny Jackson, obviously a key
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Oral Hersheiser setting the record for most consecutive score listenings,
could have won a sign young in nineteen eighty eight.
Chris Hammond is also going to be there. Chris Hammond
was on the nineteen ninety Reds. One of these days,

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when I have absolutely nothing to lose, I'm going to
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That's Ortho ci Ncy dot com. Today's conversation is going
to focus on Hunter Green Tommy John surgery obviously will
miss the rest of this year, gonna miss all of
next year. When it was announced that they were going
to do surgery, it was it was explained that they
really didn't know what the injury issue was and so
they were sort of looking here. So what were some

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of the scenarios that the doctors were preparing for since
they didn't know the exact nature of the procedure until
they they actually went.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
In, a lot of this is going to determine, as
you just said, on inter operative findings. So I want
you to see when you're in there and it's going to
be you know, does the ligament just look a little
stretched out? Is it approximal, So was it up high,
is it distal to the tendon, is it mid substance?
A lot of those factors are going to be taken

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into play, you know, determining the exact treatment op And obviously,
as we've all you know, we've both kind of found
out just recently he did have another Tommy John surgery,
which is very unfortunate, especially from a revision Tommy John's standpoint,
definitely increases the complexity, the length of recovery, the length
of return.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
But obviously it was this tear was.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Obviously in a place where they did not feel, you know,
something which had become more more common recently in the
last couple of years, as we hear of an internal bracing,
which will be a more and more common terminology where
you just basically use almost like a really really really
strong little piece of rope and you tie into this
tendon and you can weave it in and out sometimes

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and do that with PRP and stem cells and you
can facilitate some healing and avoid of repair and sounds like. Unfortunately,
that was the case with the surgery.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
So we're talking about a timeline that has him missing
the next twelve to eighteen months, so that's obviously all
of twenty twenty seven. It's interesting he came off the
injured list a few weeks ago, and you know, when
he went back on, he reported that he was, you know,
there was some discomfort right, and he thought it was
just you know, normal post surgery aches. How do you

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differentiate between post surgery aches if those are normal at all,
and something more severe like this.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's difficult because you can't really distinguish that by pain alone,
and you know it's gonna be where you hurt, how
you hurt, and you know, I would say if you're
having similar type pain that you did during your recovery,
you know, and if it's if it's the same type

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of discomfort where you assume that's probably just from your
previous arthroscopy surgery and you're removing bone chips and bone
spurs and that that'll continue to get better. And so
you know, there can be a lot of overlap too
with elbows with where you hurt, and I mean, you're
gonna have pain referred to certain areas and so yeah,
I mean that can be tough. If I was just

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co and off of a surgery too, with a clean
out I would probably also assume that this discomfort I
was having was just post surgical, when it would get
better with time. I'd work my way through it and
get back to throwing.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
This is not his first Tommy John surgery. And there's
a very, very very long list of pitchers and other
players who have had Tommy John surgery and a return.
Tj Antone, who's in the reds bullpen, has had three
of them. He's having a good season, But how much
does the accumulation of these sorts of injuries and these
sorts of procedures, I guess, jeopardize his ability to not

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even just realize his potential, but when he comes back,
not end up back on the injured list again.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I tell people, you know, it's like if somebody's building
a house, right and you don't like the way the
stophics look, they just they rip it off and they
put on an entirely new and they get new lumber
and new parts.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
And new everything.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Well, when you're dealing with a human body and surgery, like,
there are no new parts, right. It's not new bone
that you're going into, it's not new tendons that you're addressing,
and new scar tissue that you're going it's all the
same tissue, it's all the same bone, and so you know,
your bone tunnel placement can become more difficult.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
The you know, the amount of scar tissue that forms
and replaces your native tissue continues to progress. And so
that's what that's why I was explaining things, is that
it's not you can just go and get a new
two by four out of the out of the hardware store,
like you got to use the same one that you
had and just try to fix it and get it
back to uh where you want it. So yeah, that

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every time you go back in that's that's complex. Actually,
I wanted to bring up j Antone because when I
was doing some research on this, that's the guy I
thought of, and we'd actually.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Talked about him a number of years ago, and you know.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I had talked about like, ah, yeah, it's gonna be tough,
but he can.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Anybody can do it. He can do it. But I mean,
in the back of my head, you're like, man, this
is tough. There's no way.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And I let's just talk about that guy too.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
That's amazing what he's done to come back from three
Tommy John surgeries.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
He's got to give a lot of guys hope.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
And if I was a Hunter Gringen, that's that guy'd
be relying on two as far as uh, you know,
how he did it and what he did.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Because that's that's been pretty remarkable to see. I mean
three is there was only a handful I could even
look up and coming back and that's pretty remarkable what
he's been able to do.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and he's having a great season, which is it
just makes his return all the more sweeter. You know,
Hunter Green has always been a guy who's thrown really,
really hard. So he is and I know you're not
a pitching coach, but is he going to have to
adjust how he pitches? He's gonna have to dial back
to velocity? Is does he have no other choice but
to dial back to velocity when he finally does come back.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
You wonder like velocity and pitching velocity is directly related
to your risk of injury.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Right if you're throwing.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
A ball, and these guys are throwing a baseball with
enough rotational force that it should literally rip your shoulder
or rip should you should literally rip your arm off
every time you throw a ball like you throw that
hard and it's just it's all those muscular forces and
the ligaments.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
And everything that hold things in place. But the amount
of like torque is is incredible, And you wonder if
it's more the alternate pitches, the spin rates, it's the
the obsession of that aspect of throwing that you might
want to tweak. And I don't know if just a
straight you know, two seam forcing, straight forcing fastball, Uh yeah,

(28:30):
the velocity is a problem, but I think it's probably
just the more the rotational forces that you're creating with
these off speed pitches where you're throwing a lot of
those for a lot of high velocity. That could be
maybe something that you really want to consider more than
just straight throwing hard, because I mean, you gotta throw hard, right,
You gotta throw ninety eight ninety times one hundred miles

(28:50):
an hour to be a successful pitcher in this league anymore.
And I think you get back to that. I think
you get back to throwing hard and just maybe uh,
you know, change your mechanics a little bit for those
off speed.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
What is the likely timeline and not just not talking
about him returning, but like between now and his return,
when can you start throwing in all likelihood, what does
what does the timeline look like?

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Well, and it's tough too with me, you know, with
the revision nature of the surgery like that, you know,
slows things down. I mean you're probably not doing any
throwing at all for you know, the first couple of
months I would anticipate, then a couple of months after
that you're just working on range of motion. And you

(29:33):
know you're probably looking at man a number of months.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
I mean you're.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You're probably I would say, you know, maybe five maybe
in this one, you do five six months before you
even do.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Some lighte gentle stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
I mean, especially if you're looking at eighteen months for revision,
it could be a full year before you really start
doing any significant throwing even late.

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camp report of the week.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic from.

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The ec Health Traffic Center.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Don't yeh.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
ESPN fifteen thirty with the latest from Bengals training camp,
brought you by Skyline. Shulie feeling good. It's Skyline time
on your official home of the Cincinnati Bengal. He has
to be in fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Fresh off his Bengals Radio Network debut last night, Tony
Pike is with us to talk about the good from
last night's Bengals victory over the Detroit Lions. And I
think that starts Tony with depth and in particular the
contributions the Bengals got from the guys they drafted.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yeah, I as we sit here today, MO, I have
every rookie making this roster. I think every person that
they drafted has a good chance to make the roster.
A lot of time between now and that choice and
some joint practice and more preseason games coming up, but
I think they've established great depths I think the rookies
are painting out well. I think they're gonna have an

(31:42):
interesting cutdown day already looking ahead at wide receiver, tight end,
and the interior part of this defensive line based on
how good guys are playing.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, and you know, Dante Myers is somebody we have
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
What a great story ends.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
You know?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
To me, it was the way they used him last night.
They gave him every opportnity to show what he can do,
and he took advantage.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah, I'm already trying to count wide receivers. Yeah, you know,
you know your top three. I think Mitchell Tinsley makes
this roster. They use a draft pick and a high
one on Colby Young. I think he makes the roster.
I don't know if they take more than six, it
could come down to Dante Myers or Charlie Jones. And
Charlie Jones has been solid in the in the return game.

(32:25):
He doesn't give you much as a wide receiver. Dante
Myers gave you something on a jet sweet last night,
gave you something on some key third downs. He's winning
one on one battles. If he can prove that he
can handle the load as a returner as well. Then
I think there's a spot on the roster for him.
But you mentioned the good stor I mean, getting caught
up a week before camp from Joe Burrow to throw

(32:47):
the next day and driving overnight from Atlanta just to
you know, be there for your quarterback says enough about
who he is as a person and as a player,
and I think can impact this team in a positive way.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
What did did you What did you make of how
they operated with Joe under center?

Speaker 6 (33:05):
I liked it. I thought they popped with some runs,
which is hard to see over the course of training
camp because they don't tackle. I thought their running game
out of under center looked good. Look I think the
max protect I think that's on Joe Burrow. You know
you can't hit three times. You got to make a decision.
You got to get the ball out of your hands.

(33:25):
So I don't blame the old line for that one.
I thought they ran a very nice play action pass
to Jamar Chase in which Chase Brown did an awesome
job of picking up an edge pressure. I thought that
looked clean everything except the Orlando Brown junior playing. I
thought with how the first team operated last night was
a good step.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Let's talk about more good steps. You interviewed Chris Jenkins
after the game. He was terrific last night, and I
felt like in a position group where we talked yesterday
about wanting to see some of the guys lower on
the depth chart, I kind of felt like, no matter
what combination of defensive lineman the Bengals had, they got
pressure on the quarterback and they often won at the
point of attack.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, it's party in the backfield, and no matter who
it was, Chris Jenkins, Landon Robinson had some really good reps.
I just feel like they have so much depth at
the interior that it's going to give al golden opportunities,
whether it's three down, four down, five down, to really
get creative with how he approaches opposing offenses. And Chris

(34:27):
Jenkins is kind of that guy that felt like the
guy that may be slipping through the cracks. You know,
you look at him, you look at McKinley, Jackson, Landon Robinson.
Chris Jenkins essentially told everyone else, you know, to put
that on the backburner right now, that he's got a
good shot to make this team. It's kind of the
put up or shut up time in his point in
his career as a Bengal, and I thought that was

(34:48):
the most impressive that I've seen him consistently last night
as a Bengal.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Tony, Thank you so much. Tony is back on Monday
for since he three sixty. He's back with me Tuesday
morning for the Tonian Mode Training Camp Show, and he's
back with Dan and Lapp a weak f him tomorrow
night for the Bengals and Bears second preseason game live
on ESPN fifteen thirty with a kickoff at seven o'clock.
We're done on Monday show. Joe Goodberry's good to join

(35:13):
us and I cannot wait for that. Joe Goodberry has
pivoted to creating Bengals content full time, which is awesome.
We are looking forward to a chatting with him, obviously,
Reds Marlins recap at the Bengals weekend, some FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
And so much more. We're done.

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(35:50):
great pace, great place to post up this weekend.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
We are done.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
My thanks to Tarren Bland for producing, and of course
thanks to you for listening and watching. Have a great weekend,
Talk to you one day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty
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