August 17, 2026 • 37 mins
Recap of the Reds/Cardinals game 1. Plus, did the Manager of the Cincinnati Reds not know that yesterday's starting pitcher was on a 75-pitch limit?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, five minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty Molegger. Thanks for listening today. Hopefully you've had
an awesome Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We've had a great Monday because we've been.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Broadcasting from an event that I love, the Cincinnati Opening. Yeah,
we were here last week, but there was no tennis,
there were no fans.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a lot of weather that was bad.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We've had a lot of weather today, but play is
resuming and should be a fun night of tennis. And
you know, I always like it when we broadcast the
show just mere feet away from a bar. We are
in the top deck bar here at the Elder Tennis Center.
Folks here always hospitable to us. We have a lot
to get to this hour. One more check in with
Tony Pike. Reds lose two to one to the Cardinals today,
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Game one of a doubleheader, Game one of a five
game series. Look, this has been an un fun year.
Call it what it is. There have been high points,
Chase Burns, Salth Stewart most notably.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
This is this feels like the season once and for all,
circling the dream Saturday night felt like more than just
a loss. Yesterday felt like I will never accuse a
team where a player of not trying, But if you
wanted a game that you could point to his evidence
that maybe the team wasn't totally locked in, that would
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be it. Today they lose to one. A guy by
the name of Kent Emmanuel made the start. He pitched credibly,
gave up two runs in the first inning. Alec Burlison
with a two run double. They lose the game again
because they don't hit Dane Myers with a solo homer.
Beyond that two other hits Game two of the double
headers tonight. They're now seven and a half games out
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of the wildcard and if you have been considering them
to be in contention, the one thing that was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know, Bolster.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Your argument was they've got some teams in front of
them that they can make up ground on and some
beatable teams that share a similar profile that they can
take care of before the schedule gets really hard when
they have to play teams like the Cubs and the
Dodgers and the Brewers by the way, to just see
what the Brewers they did the Dodgers this weekend. LA
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is having a hard time beating anybody who's good. But
they're seven and a half back man like, so they'll
play game two tonight. Maybe they can make up some ground.
I don't know. Here's Terry Francona after today's loss at GABP.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean early, the kid, their guy had a good
change up and we've made him through a ton of pitches,
but we only had the one to show for it,
on Myer's home run. But we got him out early.
And then after that they just went one ending with
their pen and we just we weren't able to get
anything going.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pleasantly surprised what you got.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I mean the game, the way the game started. You know,
he hits the first guy in the foot, we got
first and second before he can even breathe gives up
the and then hung in there like very proud of him,
and he gave us everything he had.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
This is a stream of good adds for the last nay,
But I know behind the scenes there's been a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Way you see here fastball command, I'd say it starts
there and ends there. It's it's got so much movement
he doesn't have to necessarily always locate. He just throws
it over that white thing. He's gonna be okay, what
are you.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Seeing from field crews?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
And he swallows off kid, you know, I mean you could.
I think it's kind of telling. Even the one he challenged,
Ball had the whole plate. Sometimes you kind of lose
where you are. Thinks like sometimes ball and he thinks
is in it's a strike. He just going through a
tough time right now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So there's a lot to talk about as it relates
to the Reds and Tito Francona and Elie de la Cruz.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So a few different things.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That was Tito after today's game two to one loss
to the Cardinals. So Nicolodolo pitched yesterday and pitched well,
but came out after seventy three pitches and five innings.
And after the game, Terry Francona said, quote, when a
pitcher says I've had it, I'll never send him back out,
which would strongly suggest that after seventy three pitches, Nickolodolo said, Hey,
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I'm tapped out. Skip got a call upon the bullpen,
Like that's when I when I saw Tito after the
game yesterday, That's that's what I thought, Like, Okay, well,
Nicklodolo said, Skip, I'm done. But it was curious to me,
Like he came off the angure list, he had one
rehab start. It would make sense if like there was
a little bit more there than met the eye, like
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a restriction or a limitation to the number of pitches
that Nicklodolo is throwing in that start. Well as it
as it turned out, after the game, Nicklodolo was asked about,
you know why he came out after five innings and
seventy five pitches, and he said, I would like to
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go six innings, especially with what we have tomorrow, but
I understand it and it's a process. Would I have
liked to have pitched six innings? Yeah, I only had
two more pitches to work with anymore. Anyway, I think
I had a cap at seventy five to eighty pitches.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
This according to Mike Petrellia.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So the manager says effectively, and I could have played
the audio there and been a good radio host and
said I read it. But the manager is saying, uh, yeah,
the pitcher came to me and said skip or I'm done,
And the pitcher is saying, we had a limit to
the number of pitches I was gonna throw.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I was pretty close to it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So Tito says what he says, and what happens instantly
is Nicoldolo takes a ton of crap from fans, and
I will admit to you I would have done that ordinarily.
If a pitcher just said after seventy five or seventy
three pitches, I'm done, you're in the thick of a
wild card race. Although it's kind of hard to call
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it that with a straight face. You have a doubleheader today,
it's forever before and off day. They don't have Hunter Green.
If ever, there was a moment where you would ask
your pitcher, dude, I know, maybe you're nearing the finish line,
but can you come out there and give us at
least one more inning, it would be that. But if
the organization says, if there is an agreement by the
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brain Trust, well he's only gonna throw seventy five to
eighty pitches, that's an entirely different story. So a few
things here you can't help. But wonder a was the
manager of the team unaware of the fact that Nicolodolo
had a limit of seventy five pitches, Because if so
kind of a problem the manager of the team has
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no idea, because if he did know, then why wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Just after the games?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, look, Nicolodolo is a tough kid and wants to pitch,
but he is just coming off the injury list, and
so we had a limit. He was pretty much close
to it. That's why we didn't bring him. Like he
put it on the player, he put it on the pitcher.
And because he puts it on the pitcher, the pitcher
now takes a ton of Crapham fans who were like, dude,
you're soft, you're not tough, you're not a team guy.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What on actuality?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It feels like there's a very good chance that the
decision was made before the start. He's not gonna throw
more than seventy five pitches. So either the manager for
some reason left out that minor detail, or Nickolodolo is lying,
or the manager didn't know. Now I'm gonna give Nickolodolo
the benefit of the doubt that he's not lying. I
would have a hard time believing that he would say, yeah,
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I had a pitch limit. I was gonna tap out
it said, I don't know. Maybe I'm giving nick something
he doesn't deserve. Maybe it's a convenient excuse explanation. I
just I find it hard to believe that Nicolodolo would
make up, Oh yeah, I wasn't gonna throw more than
seventy five pitch, which is knowing that the people he's
talking to in the clubhouse reporters could then go to
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Terry Francona, could then go to Nick Crawl could then
go to the acting pitching coach and confirm that Nick
was on a pitch limit. So I am gonna give
Nick the benefit of the doubt, So I'm crossing that
off as a possibility. So then we're left with either
Terry Francona chose to leave out pretty important detail, which,
by leaving it out subjects his picture to criticism that
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he probably doesn't deserve. Or the manager of the team
had no idea. The guy's under a pitch limit. This
is a Hall of Fame manager. This is not a
guy in his first year on the job. This is
a dude revered for his communication skills. What are we doing? Like,
there's three possible outcomes here. One doesn't seem likely, the
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other two aren't great either. The manager of the team
couldn't communicate effectively that the dude had a number of
pitches he was gonna throw no matter what, and that's
why they took him out.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Of the game.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Or he decided to leave out that fact, or he
had no idea. Neither are cool, neither are excusable. Neither
are becoming of a manager of Terry Francona stature. There's
also this. Ellie de la Cruz makes an error yesterday
on a ball that's hit right to him, and he
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took a sweet time getting the ball to first base,
and it was an air and fro and it helped
open the flood gates in the ninth inning. And I
love Ellie de la Cruz. I love watching him play.
There are fewer of those moments this year than we've
seen in the past, but we saw one yesterday. And
it can happen like whether it's a lapse in concentration,
whether it's taking the speed of the runner for granted,
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whether it's laziness, whether it's poor fundamentals, whatever it is,
that's a play that a big league shortstop has to make,
and an elite caliber player makes consistently. Now we could
say that and acknowledge Ellie has improved in many respects
defensively and he's going through a tough time at the plate.
He looks like a guy who could use a day off.
But in the immediate aftermath, that video went viral, and
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Zach Cozart retweeted it and wrote, lazy Now, let me
get this part out of the way. Until about eight
thirty this morning, I had no idea Zach Cozart was
on Twitter. I guess Zach Cozart tweets about a lot
of things that aren't baseball related. I don't care. I
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don't do culture wars. If he's tweeting about culture wars,
that ain't my jam. I'm not gonna suddenly start following
Zach Cozart on Twitter. I don't think he was that
interesting as a player. I'm gonna guess not too interesting
as a next player. But you know what, my thought
was good? Like, Zach Cozart was a fine shortstop. Was
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he the caliber of player of Elie de la Cruz. No,
though he had his moments the Donkey year where he
made the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But you know what.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Good because it feels like, and I say this as
an enormous Ellie dela Cruz fan, it feels like when
he makes mistakes, we have to tiptoe around it. And
this was the case two years ago, when Ellie would
do something on the bass pass and kind of cross
that line from aggressive to stupid, or when he's made
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plays in the field that or failed to make plays
in the field that you kind of feel like he
should that maybe his failure to make the play has
seemed at times effort related. It feels like we kind
of tiptoe around it, pussy foot around it, we're afraid.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
To say it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It has felt like at times like there's a reluctance
to hold Ellie Dela Cruz accountable. Ellie has played in
every game he's been healthy for this year. I've not
yet seen tonight's starting lineup. He let off today. Maybe
they give him the night off. Last year he played
every single day despite not being one hundred percent. Terry
Francona this offseason said, well, that was a mistake. We're
gonna give him regular days off. Well, he hasn't had
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one aside from the time that he wasn't healthy. Why
because Ellie wants to play every day, they don't tell
him no, Like it feels like they don't tell him no.
It feels like they treat him with delicacy that I
don't know that many other players on the team are
treated with. I think it's actually kind of refreshing that
somebody who played the position at a really high level
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for this team is willing to go like that play
how you handle it not acceptable. I don't know if
lazy's the right word, but it was nonchalant. It certainly
didn't look urgent, and it might be reflective of him
being worn down because he does play every day, or
the fact that his batting slump is getting to him.
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But I saw that, and I saw that, and I
knew nothing about Zach Cozard's history on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I do not care. I do know Zach Cozard played shortstop.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
At a high level for a pretty long time, meaning
he's one of the handful of people on the planet
qualified to talk about Ellie Dela Cruz's play at shortstop. Again,
I don't know that I would have you the word lazy,
but it feels like with Ellie Dela Cruz, everybody just
is afraid to call him out or criticize him when
he is deserving of it. He's, by all accounts, an
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awesome guy. He is an immensely talented player. He is
uber fun to watch. If I had my way, Ellie
Delacruz would play the rest of his career as a
Red even when they are bad, Ellie is worth watching.
I will go to the ballpark in the final month
or so of the season despite the fact the team
is not going to be in it because I love
watching Ellie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But that moment yesterday should be called out. Who's more
equipped to call him out? Who's more qualified to call
him out?
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Me?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You, some randos on Twitter or a guy who played
the position.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And if Zach Cozart's not going to call him out,
that's cool. Will somebody because it does feel like with
Ellie Dela Cruz there has at times been a lack
of willingness to not blast him in public. Don't expect
a manager to do that, but we talked about the
end of David Bell's time in Cincinnati. From this perspective,
among many others, boy Ellie makes a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
How come they go uncorrected.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know that that theme isn't still dominating or
at least part of the Terry Francona administration or regime
or tenure. So I don't know, man. I had no
problem with a former big league shortstop weighing in on
a current big league shortstop and how he's playing, because
if nobody else is, let somebody like Zach Cozart do it.
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Didn't have a major issue with it. I think him
in the minority. Your thoughts are welcoming five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. There's also the you know, Ellie plays every
day because Ellie wants to play everything like, you're allowed
to tell the guy no, you're allowed to coach the guy.
You're allowed to correct the guy. You're and again, man like,
I love the dude. This isn't lazy anti Ellie conjecture.
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You're allowed to tell the guy, Hey, today you're gonna
take the day off, or at the very least, today
you're gonna dh like. There's a long history in this
of players gaining benefit from not playing a certain day,
Ellie Dela Cruz. In the long and storied history of
this franchise, a lot of great players that got occasional
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days off. Ellie can can't benefit from it. You know
you watched him wear down toward the end of the
season last year. He looks like he's wearing down now.
He plays every single day. Are they afraid to tell
him no? Are they afraid to hold him accountable? Isn't
it kind of refreshing to see somebody with a high profile,
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not some anonymous dude on the internet. Not somebody who's
got their name and like nine different numbers in their handle.
Somebody putting his name on it, Somebody putting his name
on it, who's more qualified than almost any person alive
to offer a critique on Ellie Dela Cruz's play at
shortstop twenty minutes after five o'clock, we can end once
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and for all a Bengals narrative. That's next on ESPN.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Fifteenthree Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Track.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Him and how about guaranteed humid Huh here at the
Cincinnati opened. We're undercover though, and uh, hopefully the rain
stays away tonight. We got folks waiting on hold, and
I want to get to everybody who's waiting this segment,
so let's uh, let's get right to a chuck. You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Good afternoon, shuck, how are you?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
That's a good?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Before I give you the Red's alternate lineup tonight. I
didn't see it posted, but I remember it's amable that
Cruz wants to play every game. But I remember back
in the day when you know, and Joey Bono didn't
go through too many sums. But when he was like
two for nineteen or something, Dusty Baker what all, Especially
if it was a game before a day off. He'd
always said me to clear his head and Joey Vona
would go back to normal.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah. By the way, Ellie is playing tonight.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Of course he is. Yeah, I just you're anything to
night up here and see see if this is the
worst lineup in the history of the Reds and sent
through out of it, he might as well just do it.
I got Freedo and center, Okay, claim it's second, Okay
at the age, Suarez at short, Uh, Trevino are big
bopper at the fifth spot, Uh, Taglio at first, Barty
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and right, Rodriguez and left, and of course Cabrian Hayes
at third. Oh yeah, you think that? Could you think
that could be the official worst lineup in the history
of the organization.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well, you know, I was here for the twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
and eighteen seasons, but those teams at least had Joey Vado.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Putting up really good numbers.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The best hitter in that lineup this season is JJ Blede, and.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
J hadno.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Yes at six out of nine guys under two hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So Dela Cruz is twenty runs tonight.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Who but Suarez, Totleia, McClain, Rodriguez, Trevino and Friedol are
all playing. Rodriguez may prove to be very good, but
two for his first twenty.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Three is because of the you know, in the spirit of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
It, I I don't, I don't understand. I admire the
fact that Ellie wants to play every single day.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That is great.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You want guys who want to go every single day.
You're allowed to tell him Ellie.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
To play every day too. But I mean, you know,
when you when you see a guy going, you know,
throw his battle over the place, he clearly yes.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't understand why they can't tell him no. And
it was it's one thing this year when he's going
through you would you hire Terry Francona because of his
ability to look at Ellie Dela Cruz and have a
tough conversation with him and go look for your benefit
and for our benefit, you're not going to play today.
Take a seat, clear your head, enjoy the time. You're
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back tomorrow, you're going to be leading off and you're
gonna be my shortstop. I do not understand the unwillingness
to do that. If there's anybody in the sport that
would have the cachet to be able to look at
Ellie dela Cruz and tell him you're not going to
play today, it's supposed to be Terry Francona, and here
refre use.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Us to do it.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Yeah. I wasn't the biggest Dusty Baker fan, but he
did that with a bottle all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, it doesn't, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I appreciate the phone call, like I get it, man,
Like all they should play every single When a guy
is not performing well, he's not helping the team. There's
a long history of players better than Elie de la
Cruz getting an occasional day and it benefiting them and
by extension, the team.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Mike, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Go ahead, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm well, what's up?
Speaker 9 (19:31):
I agree, man, I blame this on Frank COONa one
hundred percent. He should have the right to sit dey
La Cruz down near it. I don't understand it. Confused
about the whole thing, and I would think it Frank COONa,
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being who he is, good, step up and just set
him amongst a couple other players. I think Steve breaks.
But it is what it is. Frank COONa. I can't
see that he's fearful to do it, or if he
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thinks somebody in the higher up is gonna maybe say anything,
if he afraid to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm confused well.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And the thing is, by his own admission this offseason,
by his own admission, the way he handled Ellie last
year wasn't the right approach. And so you know, he
talked on multiple occasions about how this year I got
to give him days and this year I gotta be
more cognizant of you know, where he is physically, and
we made I'm paraphrasing him here. We may dache him,
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we may just give him a day where he's not
playing at all, but I've got to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This year he said he was going to do this,
he has.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So far shown a total unwillingness to do it, and
so I can't help I can't help but wonder why
I wonder.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
The same thing. Another one last thing, Yeah, I don't.
I also don't understand in today's game the five inning.
It seems like when these pitchers get to that fifth inning,
Frank kna just no matter what position the game is.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
In, he wants to pull him.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
And what happened to the sixth seven eight inning guy,
the sixth seven eight inning starter. Uh, you know, with
the exception of our one pitcher, I just don't see
that with the reads, I never see a pitcher go
over five innings.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, they've had they've had some starts recently where you know,
obviously Chase Burns has gone seven. Chase Burns on Friday
was was awesome. They've let Brady Singer get through a six.
But I think part of that is just the way
the game is run and manage now where there is
a reluctance to have a picture, get to the batting
order a third time. And the Reds are not the
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only team that I think you see that reflected with Mike.
I appreciate the call. Other Mike, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty, go.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Ahead, I love thanks, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You're welcome.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
Can't ever see that commercial on TV here over the
last few months where it's proving like mildew or something
and the family's in there and they go, damn, what
does that smell? And then the wife goes, damn, what
is that smell? And then the little kid goes, damn,
what is that snow? And the dad goes language, language, language,
guess how the reds are right now? They they smell.
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Bro Austin brought up a good point today. South Stewart
should be playing third base. He should have been playing
third base since.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
He got here.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
That's his position, That's what he's played typically coming up
through the ranks. You know this as well as I do.
Most teams third basemans are are typically productive offensively, if
not a lot of home runs.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right.
Speaker 10 (23:21):
Who's afferent like you? Sounds like mister Stewart.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To me and sounds like the exact opposite of of
Key Brian Hayes, And so to me, everything starts with
the ass as it relates to what you're talking about.
Everything starts with the decision to trade for and pay Mike.
Thank you for the phone call. Trade for and pay
Key Brian Hayes. I believe Sal Stewart's future is at
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third base.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But like I.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Don't know what they're gonna do with Key Brian Hayes.
I didn't understand the trade when they did it. I
haven't understood a lot of things as it relates to
the Reds. But the thing that I get the least
is Key Brian Hayes. Sala Stewart played first base to
start the season and has played it okay, but played
first base to start the season because they had Key
Brian Hayes. I think it makes all the sense in
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the world to pay Key Brian Hayes to go away
and move sal over to third because I agree with you.
I mean, number one, you just need more hitters. Key
Brian Hayes isn't a good hitter. Number two, the ball
isn't hit to you enough at third base to justify
great field no hit. I'd rather have Salas Stewart at
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third base. He should be playing there, by the way,
for what it's worth, he is playing second base tonight.
Joe Goodbury on the Bengals.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
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Lives to the Cardinals two one. Today Dane Meyers hit
a homer. Alec Burlison had a two run double. Reds
got free hits. Seven and a half games out of
the wildcard Game two of the double dip. Tonight, Rhet
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Lauder and Andre Polante Ella Della Cruz will play because
his manager never gives him a game off. Meanwhile, Bengals
did not practice today. Back in the practice field tomorrow
at ten a m. We have the Tony and Moe
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Speaker 1 (25:37):
We thank the folks here for their hospitality, and we
thank our guy Joe Goodberry from Bengals on the Brain
from joining us. Let's uh, let's talk about Thursday night.
I think the thing that stood out to so many
of us, was how good the rookies who played? Look,
how ready is the Bengals rookie class to contribute when
the games actually count?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Man that first preseason game, I don't know if we've
had a for an entire class like that ever, right,
I can't remember. I remember bits and pieces of each
rookie throughout three or four preseason games, all showing up,
all having their moments. But everyone that played had an impact,
had a splash play. I mean, starting from Cash's howl
in his spin move half stack. I don't know if
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you even got credited for it, but he had a
couple of wins as a pass rusher. I thought he
set the edge well on one run defense play. Landon
Robinson was the talk of the game afterwards. He was
active throughout the entire game, played thirty two snaps.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We should have been, but he stood out.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I thought, in general, the entire class down from cashus
howel who's your top pick? Down to Brian Parker and
Jack Entries and Landon Robinson your last picks.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Everyone had an impact. Check Juries had a touchdown. He
looked good blocking.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Brian Parker played left guard and center with the twos
and threes, he looked very good.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To me. That looks like a future starting guard.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That's what I thought he was coming out, So I'm
very happy to see first test was passing. And I
just think in general, could they play right away? I
think many of them can. It's going to be interesting
to see how many do, because a lot of these
picks were at positions where they had a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Is Brian Parker already their best backup offensive lineman and
does that say more about him or the other guys
that make up the twos and threes?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
He is, and it says a lot about him, because,
like I said, I thought he was worthy of a
late second to third, no later than fourth round pick,
So to get him in the sixth I thought was
extreme value. To me, he looks like a future Clint
Bowling level type guard. So ask me again in three
years and we may just say, yeah, he's that guy.
And you know, Joe, you were right once in a
while that that'd be nice. But no, I do think
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it looks bad on Jalen Rivers as well, because he
got beat pretty poorly. After watching tape, there was a
couple other plays as well since then, at practice, he's
been at left tackle and it's been Cody Ford with
the backups that guard.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
It's been Jacob Bayer with the backups that guard opposite
of Brian Parker.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So I think they're trying to see who has the
versatility worthy of keeping because as of right now, I
think you're throwing in Brian Parker if someone goes down
on the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Eric All's got to play in a preseason game. But
he's had an awesome offseason. He's looked apart during training camp.
He has every tool in the box that you can
ask a tight end to have. We saw Jack Andrees.
Just give me a breakdown at the tight end room.
Is this the deepest, potentially they've had at that position
in years.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
I think for sure it is.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And it starts with very segmented positions within the tight
end position because you have Mi Koseki, who's basically.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
A wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
He almost never lines up in a true tight end set.
He never is really blocking. I think he was out
wider in the slot for ninety one percent of his
snaps last year. He doesn't play any special teams either,
which is huge for tight ends. Everyone behind him, though,
Drew Sample is your big blocker that is not a receiver.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
We know about these guys.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
It seems like Cam Grandy is a straight up backup
or Drew Sample as a wide tight end. He's also
six five, two fifty. He's got size on him right,
he can block. He also did a little bit of
eric All stuff last week with the start because All
didn't play in that Lions game. So all of your
move tight end, you're h back the guy you're going
to put in motion and block the unblocked the end
on the other side, or chip and release and maybe
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run after the catch, a lot of what they did
with Noah Fan last year. I think they're really excited
about eric All and getting him back into this offense,
pointing more twelve personnel, which is when running back two
tight end sets. But from there, Jack Endries is more
like an eric All style tight end.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
He's not so much Mikeaseki.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
He's not really Drew Sample doesn't have that type of
size and strength, and I think that's how they used
him in this game. But they also gave him some
straight up blocking on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Plays, which was nice to see.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think the wild card here is Tanner Hudson, who
is traditionally been a slot receiver type, more of a Monkaseki,
but he's doing a little bit more in camp and
in preseason he is blocking a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And I saw, i'm watching.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
The broadcast, he's Earnston's walking with him, and I went
and watched the film. He's on every special team's play,
and I'm like, he's trying to make this roster.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's trying to make it so.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
He is so invaluable you can't cut him even on
a deep room because he's also the backup like four
string quarterback and emergency quarterback, short yardage tight end that
comes in for sneaks, long snapper if someone goes down.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
He does everything, So I think he's gonna make this roster.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Joe Goodbary Bengals on The Brain dot Com. Give me
the appropriate way to talk about or react to what
we saw from Orlando Brown on Thursday and what we've
seen from him, because the you know, the video snippets
that are out there are not exactly flattering.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So how do we break him down? What's the right
way to do it?
Speaker 6 (30:35):
So I'm more critical of the young players when I'm
watching preseason I want to see.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
They're the hungry ones, they're the ones excited.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I was just listen as someone posted a clip from
Micah Hyde, who is a Packers and Bill's safety, and
he was talking about he's retired now. He's talking about
his preseason and how he approached it When he was
a rookie.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
He approached that first.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Game like he was playing in the Super Bowl as
a fifth round pick, right and met everything for him.
He was ready for that first game, and by year three,
four five, he just wants to get in and get out.
They really are the veterans, he said. Everyone was like
this around the NFL. They're really they don't care, they
don't want to play in preseason. They're just trying to
survive and get out of there. So I tend to
be less critical of those guys. On one hand, I
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also need you to protect protect Joe Burrow with everything
you've got because he is the franchise and if he
gets hurt in a preseason game, this city is going
to burn down.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
So like, let's not have that happen.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Let's not play with that, Orlando and have a little
bit more effort on those plays.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
But I do kind of you know, I understand.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Why these guys don't want to be out there for
the meaningless games.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Are they okay ish right now at linebacker?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I wonder if they are actually because it was such
a big conversation. I mean all year last year, we've
put the focus in microscope on those guys and they
were pretty bad for largely the entire season, So of
course we talked about it all off season. We always said,
you know, there's a chance these guys take a step
in year two. I think the biggest thing, because it's
hard to tell yet if they how big of a
step they take. Of course they probably did in there too,
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but I think the biggest thing is that they're keeping
them free and clean way more often, and they're doing
this with their five man fronts and their three to
four defense, and just how much they've invested at defensive tackle,
from Dexter Lawrence to Jonathan Allen, even Landon Robinson. Chris
Jenkins may have taken a step, but keeping TJ. Slaton
not just straight up cutting him, getting BJ hillback, that's
a lot of beef up front. Those are three of
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the top six double team defensive tackles over the last
five years.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
That's going to keep your linebackers free.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
And everyone talks about it, but when you actually see
it and you see it in the games, you go, yeah,
of course, they look like they're playing faster. They're more
accurate in the reads, they can see what's going on.
They're not trying to fend off offensive linemen climbing to
the second level to block them. They're able to free,
freely flow to the play and get their quicker faster
with more aggression. So even if they're that not that
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much better, their negative plays should be fewer and far between.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Understanding that the rest of camp in the preseason could
impact this answer, and understanding that, like you know, you
got to pay attention to who's made available on cutdown day.
If you could add one player to one group, where
in this team would that be?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I am wondering about swing tackle because if it's not
Cody Ford, if you're moving him to guard after one
practice and it sounds like there's a lot of pressure
on him. Jeff Hopson Bengals dot COM's had a bunch
of articles kind of insinuating that there is pressure on
Cody Ford. The team wanted them to drop weight, They
want them to be better at offensive tackle, and then
Jalen Rivers is now gonna go out to left tackle.
It looks like based on practices leading up to this
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game here, So let's see that he was so bad
last year they had to move him into guard. This
is a guy that's six five and his thirty five
inch arms, he should be playing tackle. So if it's
neither of those guys, if you end up coming away
from preseason like it's not Ford, it's not Rivers, do
you really expect these undrafted guys to be that or
the Andrew Cookers of the world. No, if someone goes down,
or if Orlanda Brown has a bad, bad year, I'm
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talking not just what we saw last year at moments
when I'm talking real bad, I don't know if they
have another option. I don't know if there's anything on
this roster that I would feel comfortable turning to. I
feel really good about their guard depth and into your
offensive lind Up, we didn't mention Connor Loui's going to
be the future center.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I just don't really love tackling.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
If there's someone that's cut or a veteran out there
or something still there on the last day, kind of
similar to Dalton Reisner getting signed what four days before
the season started last year.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I would like the idea of kicking the tires on
a swing tech Joe Goodberry.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
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Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tony Pike joins us every hour with the latest from
training camp. Nothing happening today, Tony, which is sort of
a quiet before the storm day, because this is going
to be a big week.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, you know, not only Thursday the joint practice, which
bar none, you take practices, you take preseason games. It
will be the most significant day of training camp and
the most significant day of work this team will have
before their opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's Thursday.
Tomorrow is expected to be an intense physical practice as well,
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So you kind of circle this week as the work week,
I don't expect a lot of the guys to play
on Saturday because so much of their work is going
to get done on Thursday against the Bears Ones, and
then you're in preseason game number three on the road
where not a lot of guys are going to play.
So this is the big week of work that you
circle for Bengals training camp on where you're going to
start to maybe see some separation.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
How close is Dante Myers to clinching the spot on
this team.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I think he's really close. I think if the decision
were to be made today, I think there's a spot
between Charlie Jones, Kendrick Pryor, and Mitch Kinsley. I think
that would come down to the last spot. I think
Dante Myers as of today would be on the roster.
I think he gives you more of an upside than
what the others do. But that's the thing about training
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camp and the next couple of days. You're going to
have an opportunity to make your case if you're one
of those other guys, and if you're Dante Myers, you
also have the case that you could lose if you
take a couple steps back so if it were done today,
I think he does, but I think there's a lot
of time, and there's going to be a lot of
install and a lot of film work and things to
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work on between now and then before they.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
Make the decision.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Tony, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Tony is back with me tomorrow at ten am for
the AE Door and Window Tony and Mode Training Camp show.
Tomorrow's practice in the morning. The practice is moving forward,
no longer open to the public, so we can be
your eyes and ears as we talk about everything that
unfolds tomorrow and of course Saturday Night Bengals and Bears
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Speaker 2 (37:02):
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All right, five minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN
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an awesome Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We've had a great Monday because we've been.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Broadcasting from an event that I love, the Cincinnati Opening. Yeah,
we were here last week, but there was no tennis,
there were no fans.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a lot of weather that was bad.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We've had a lot of weather today, but play is
resuming and should be a fun night of tennis. And
you know, I always like it when we broadcast the
show just mere feet away from a bar. We are
in the top deck bar here at the Elder Tennis Center.
Folks here always hospitable to us. We have a lot
to get to this hour. One more check in with
Tony Pike. Reds lose two to one to the Cardinals today,
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Game one of a doubleheader, Game one of a five
game series. Look, this has been an un fun year.
Call it what it is. There have been high points,
Chase Burns, Salth Stewart most notably.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
This is this feels like the season once and for all,
circling the dream Saturday night felt like more than just
a loss. Yesterday felt like I will never accuse a
team where a player of not trying, But if you
wanted a game that you could point to his evidence
that maybe the team wasn't totally locked in, that would
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be it. Today they lose to one. A guy by
the name of Kent Emmanuel made the start. He pitched credibly,
gave up two runs in the first inning. Alec Burlison
with a two run double. They lose the game again
because they don't hit Dane Myers with a solo homer.
Beyond that two other hits Game two of the double
headers tonight. They're now seven and a half games out
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of the wildcard and if you have been considering them
to be in contention, the one thing that was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know, Bolster.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Your argument was they've got some teams in front of
them that they can make up ground on and some
beatable teams that share a similar profile that they can
take care of before the schedule gets really hard when
they have to play teams like the Cubs and the
Dodgers and the Brewers by the way, to just see
what the Brewers they did the Dodgers this weekend. LA
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is having a hard time beating anybody who's good. But
they're seven and a half back man like, so they'll
play game two tonight. Maybe they can make up some ground.
I don't know. Here's Terry Francona after today's loss at GABP.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean early, the kid, their guy had a good
change up and we've made him through a ton of pitches,
but we only had the one to show for it,
on Myer's home run. But we got him out early.
And then after that they just went one ending with
their pen and we just we weren't able to get
anything going.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pleasantly surprised what you got.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I mean the game, the way the game started. You know,
he hits the first guy in the foot, we got
first and second before he can even breathe gives up
the and then hung in there like very proud of him,
and he gave us everything he had.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
This is a stream of good adds for the last nay,
But I know behind the scenes there's been a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Way you see here fastball command, I'd say it starts
there and ends there. It's it's got so much movement
he doesn't have to necessarily always locate. He just throws
it over that white thing. He's gonna be okay, what
are you.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Seeing from field crews?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
And he swallows off kid, you know, I mean you could.
I think it's kind of telling. Even the one he challenged,
Ball had the whole plate. Sometimes you kind of lose
where you are. Thinks like sometimes ball and he thinks
is in it's a strike. He just going through a
tough time right now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So there's a lot to talk about as it relates
to the Reds and Tito Francona and Elie de la Cruz.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So a few different things.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That was Tito after today's game two to one loss
to the Cardinals. So Nicolodolo pitched yesterday and pitched well,
but came out after seventy three pitches and five innings.
And after the game, Terry Francona said, quote, when a
pitcher says I've had it, I'll never send him back out,
which would strongly suggest that after seventy three pitches, Nickolodolo said, Hey,
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I'm tapped out. Skip got a call upon the bullpen,
Like that's when I when I saw Tito after the
game yesterday, That's that's what I thought, Like, Okay, well,
Nicklodolo said, Skip, I'm done. But it was curious to me,
Like he came off the angure list, he had one
rehab start. It would make sense if like there was
a little bit more there than met the eye, like
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a restriction or a limitation to the number of pitches
that Nicklodolo is throwing in that start. Well as it
as it turned out, after the game, Nicklodolo was asked about,
you know why he came out after five innings and
seventy five pitches, and he said, I would like to
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go six innings, especially with what we have tomorrow, but
I understand it and it's a process. Would I have
liked to have pitched six innings? Yeah, I only had
two more pitches to work with anymore. Anyway, I think
I had a cap at seventy five to eighty pitches.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
This according to Mike Petrellia.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So the manager says effectively, and I could have played
the audio there and been a good radio host and
said I read it. But the manager is saying, uh, yeah,
the pitcher came to me and said skip or I'm done,
And the pitcher is saying, we had a limit to
the number of pitches I was gonna throw.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I was pretty close to it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So Tito says what he says, and what happens instantly
is Nicoldolo takes a ton of crap from fans, and
I will admit to you I would have done that ordinarily.
If a pitcher just said after seventy five or seventy
three pitches, I'm done, you're in the thick of a
wild card race. Although it's kind of hard to call
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it that with a straight face. You have a doubleheader today,
it's forever before and off day. They don't have Hunter Green.
If ever, there was a moment where you would ask
your pitcher, dude, I know, maybe you're nearing the finish line,
but can you come out there and give us at
least one more inning, it would be that. But if
the organization says, if there is an agreement by the
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brain Trust, well he's only gonna throw seventy five to
eighty pitches, that's an entirely different story. So a few
things here you can't help. But wonder a was the
manager of the team unaware of the fact that Nicolodolo
had a limit of seventy five pitches, Because if so
kind of a problem the manager of the team has
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no idea, because if he did know, then why wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Just after the games?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, look, Nicolodolo is a tough kid and wants to pitch,
but he is just coming off the injury list, and
so we had a limit. He was pretty much close
to it. That's why we didn't bring him. Like he
put it on the player, he put it on the pitcher.
And because he puts it on the pitcher, the pitcher
now takes a ton of Crapham fans who were like, dude,
you're soft, you're not tough, you're not a team guy.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What on actuality?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It feels like there's a very good chance that the
decision was made before the start. He's not gonna throw
more than seventy five pitches. So either the manager for
some reason left out that minor detail, or Nickolodolo is lying,
or the manager didn't know. Now I'm gonna give Nickolodolo
the benefit of the doubt that he's not lying. I
would have a hard time believing that he would say, yeah,
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I had a pitch limit. I was gonna tap out
it said, I don't know. Maybe I'm giving nick something
he doesn't deserve. Maybe it's a convenient excuse explanation. I
just I find it hard to believe that Nicolodolo would
make up, Oh yeah, I wasn't gonna throw more than
seventy five pitch, which is knowing that the people he's
talking to in the clubhouse reporters could then go to
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Terry Francona, could then go to Nick Crawl could then
go to the acting pitching coach and confirm that Nick
was on a pitch limit. So I am gonna give
Nick the benefit of the doubt, So I'm crossing that
off as a possibility. So then we're left with either
Terry Francona chose to leave out pretty important detail, which,
by leaving it out subjects his picture to criticism that
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he probably doesn't deserve. Or the manager of the team
had no idea. The guy's under a pitch limit. This
is a Hall of Fame manager. This is not a
guy in his first year on the job. This is
a dude revered for his communication skills. What are we doing? Like,
there's three possible outcomes here. One doesn't seem likely, the
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other two aren't great either. The manager of the team
couldn't communicate effectively that the dude had a number of
pitches he was gonna throw no matter what, and that's
why they took him out.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Of the game.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Or he decided to leave out that fact, or he
had no idea. Neither are cool, neither are excusable. Neither
are becoming of a manager of Terry Francona stature. There's
also this. Ellie de la Cruz makes an error yesterday
on a ball that's hit right to him, and he
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took a sweet time getting the ball to first base,
and it was an air and fro and it helped
open the flood gates in the ninth inning. And I
love Ellie de la Cruz. I love watching him play.
There are fewer of those moments this year than we've
seen in the past, but we saw one yesterday. And
it can happen like whether it's a lapse in concentration,
whether it's taking the speed of the runner for granted,
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whether it's laziness, whether it's poor fundamentals, whatever it is,
that's a play that a big league shortstop has to make,
and an elite caliber player makes consistently. Now we could
say that and acknowledge Ellie has improved in many respects
defensively and he's going through a tough time at the plate.
He looks like a guy who could use a day off.
But in the immediate aftermath, that video went viral, and
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Zach Cozart retweeted it and wrote, lazy Now, let me
get this part out of the way. Until about eight
thirty this morning, I had no idea Zach Cozart was
on Twitter. I guess Zach Cozart tweets about a lot
of things that aren't baseball related. I don't care. I
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don't do culture wars. If he's tweeting about culture wars,
that ain't my jam. I'm not gonna suddenly start following
Zach Cozart on Twitter. I don't think he was that
interesting as a player. I'm gonna guess not too interesting
as a next player. But you know what, my thought
was good? Like, Zach Cozart was a fine shortstop. Was
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he the caliber of player of Elie de la Cruz. No,
though he had his moments the Donkey year where he
made the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But you know what.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Good because it feels like, and I say this as
an enormous Ellie dela Cruz fan, it feels like when
he makes mistakes, we have to tiptoe around it. And
this was the case two years ago, when Ellie would
do something on the bass pass and kind of cross
that line from aggressive to stupid, or when he's made
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plays in the field that or failed to make plays
in the field that you kind of feel like he
should that maybe his failure to make the play has
seemed at times effort related. It feels like we kind
of tiptoe around it, pussy foot around it, we're afraid.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
To say it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It has felt like at times like there's a reluctance
to hold Ellie Dela Cruz accountable. Ellie has played in
every game he's been healthy for this year. I've not
yet seen tonight's starting lineup. He let off today. Maybe
they give him the night off. Last year he played
every single day despite not being one hundred percent. Terry
Francona this offseason said, well, that was a mistake. We're
gonna give him regular days off. Well, he hasn't had
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one aside from the time that he wasn't healthy. Why
because Ellie wants to play every day, they don't tell
him no, Like it feels like they don't tell him no.
It feels like they treat him with delicacy that I
don't know that many other players on the team are
treated with. I think it's actually kind of refreshing that
somebody who played the position at a really high level
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for this team is willing to go like that play
how you handle it not acceptable. I don't know if
lazy's the right word, but it was nonchalant. It certainly
didn't look urgent, and it might be reflective of him
being worn down because he does play every day, or
the fact that his batting slump is getting to him.
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But I saw that, and I saw that, and I
knew nothing about Zach Cozard's history on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I do not care. I do know Zach Cozard played shortstop.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
At a high level for a pretty long time, meaning
he's one of the handful of people on the planet
qualified to talk about Ellie Dela Cruz's play at shortstop. Again,
I don't know that I would have you the word lazy,
but it feels like with Ellie Dela Cruz, everybody just
is afraid to call him out or criticize him when
he is deserving of it. He's, by all accounts, an
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awesome guy. He is an immensely talented player. He is
uber fun to watch. If I had my way, Ellie
Delacruz would play the rest of his career as a
Red even when they are bad, Ellie is worth watching.
I will go to the ballpark in the final month
or so of the season despite the fact the team
is not going to be in it because I love
watching Ellie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But that moment yesterday should be called out. Who's more
equipped to call him out? Who's more qualified to call
him out?
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Me?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You, some randos on Twitter or a guy who played
the position.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And if Zach Cozart's not going to call him out,
that's cool. Will somebody because it does feel like with
Ellie Dela Cruz there has at times been a lack
of willingness to not blast him in public. Don't expect
a manager to do that, but we talked about the
end of David Bell's time in Cincinnati. From this perspective,
among many others, boy Ellie makes a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
How come they go uncorrected.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know that that theme isn't still dominating or
at least part of the Terry Francona administration or regime
or tenure. So I don't know, man. I had no
problem with a former big league shortstop weighing in on
a current big league shortstop and how he's playing, because
if nobody else is, let somebody like Zach Cozart do it.
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Didn't have a major issue with it. I think him
in the minority. Your thoughts are welcoming five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. There's also the you know, Ellie plays every
day because Ellie wants to play everything like, you're allowed
to tell the guy no, you're allowed to coach the guy.
You're allowed to correct the guy. You're and again, man like,
I love the dude. This isn't lazy anti Ellie conjecture.
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You're allowed to tell the guy, Hey, today you're gonna
take the day off, or at the very least, today
you're gonna dh like. There's a long history in this
of players gaining benefit from not playing a certain day,
Ellie Dela Cruz. In the long and storied history of
this franchise, a lot of great players that got occasional
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days off. Ellie can can't benefit from it. You know
you watched him wear down toward the end of the
season last year. He looks like he's wearing down now.
He plays every single day. Are they afraid to tell
him no? Are they afraid to hold him accountable? Isn't
it kind of refreshing to see somebody with a high profile,
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not some anonymous dude on the internet. Not somebody who's
got their name and like nine different numbers in their handle.
Somebody putting his name on it, Somebody putting his name
on it, who's more qualified than almost any person alive
to offer a critique on Ellie Dela Cruz's play at
shortstop twenty minutes after five o'clock, we can end once
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and for all a Bengals narrative. That's next on ESPN.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Fifteenthree Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Track.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Him and how about guaranteed humid Huh here at the
Cincinnati opened. We're undercover though, and uh, hopefully the rain
stays away tonight. We got folks waiting on hold, and
I want to get to everybody who's waiting this segment,
so let's uh, let's get right to a chuck. You're
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Good afternoon, shuck, how are you?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
That's a good?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Before I give you the Red's alternate lineup tonight. I
didn't see it posted, but I remember it's amable that
Cruz wants to play every game. But I remember back
in the day when you know, and Joey Bono didn't
go through too many sums. But when he was like
two for nineteen or something, Dusty Baker what all, Especially
if it was a game before a day off. He'd
always said me to clear his head and Joey Vona
would go back to normal.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah. By the way, Ellie is playing tonight.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Of course he is. Yeah, I just you're anything to
night up here and see see if this is the
worst lineup in the history of the Reds and sent
through out of it, he might as well just do it.
I got Freedo and center, Okay, claim it's second, Okay
at the age, Suarez at short, Uh, Trevino are big
bopper at the fifth spot, Uh, Taglio at first, Barty
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and right, Rodriguez and left, and of course Cabrian Hayes
at third. Oh yeah, you think that? Could you think
that could be the official worst lineup in the history
of the organization.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well, you know, I was here for the twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
and eighteen seasons, but those teams at least had Joey Vado.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Putting up really good numbers.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The best hitter in that lineup this season is JJ Blede, and.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
J hadno.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Yes at six out of nine guys under two hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So Dela Cruz is twenty runs tonight.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Who but Suarez, Totleia, McClain, Rodriguez, Trevino and Friedol are
all playing. Rodriguez may prove to be very good, but
two for his first twenty.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Three is because of the you know, in the spirit of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
It, I I don't, I don't understand. I admire the
fact that Ellie wants to play every single day.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That is great.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You want guys who want to go every single day.
You're allowed to tell him Ellie.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
To play every day too. But I mean, you know,
when you when you see a guy going, you know,
throw his battle over the place, he clearly yes.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't understand why they can't tell him no. And
it was it's one thing this year when he's going
through you would you hire Terry Francona because of his
ability to look at Ellie Dela Cruz and have a
tough conversation with him and go look for your benefit
and for our benefit, you're not going to play today.
Take a seat, clear your head, enjoy the time. You're
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back tomorrow, you're going to be leading off and you're
gonna be my shortstop. I do not understand the unwillingness
to do that. If there's anybody in the sport that
would have the cachet to be able to look at
Ellie dela Cruz and tell him you're not going to
play today, it's supposed to be Terry Francona, and here
refre use.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Us to do it.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Yeah. I wasn't the biggest Dusty Baker fan, but he
did that with a bottle all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, it doesn't, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I appreciate the phone call, like I get it, man,
Like all they should play every single When a guy
is not performing well, he's not helping the team. There's
a long history of players better than Elie de la
Cruz getting an occasional day and it benefiting them and
by extension, the team.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Mike, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Go ahead, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm well, what's up?
Speaker 9 (19:31):
I agree, man, I blame this on Frank COONa one
hundred percent. He should have the right to sit dey
La Cruz down near it. I don't understand it. Confused
about the whole thing, and I would think it Frank COONa,
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being who he is, good, step up and just set
him amongst a couple other players. I think Steve breaks.
But it is what it is. Frank COONa. I can't
see that he's fearful to do it, or if he
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thinks somebody in the higher up is gonna maybe say anything,
if he afraid to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm confused well.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And the thing is, by his own admission this offseason,
by his own admission, the way he handled Ellie last
year wasn't the right approach. And so you know, he
talked on multiple occasions about how this year I got
to give him days and this year I gotta be
more cognizant of you know, where he is physically, and
we made I'm paraphrasing him here. We may dache him,
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we may just give him a day where he's not
playing at all, but I've got to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This year he said he was going to do this,
he has.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So far shown a total unwillingness to do it, and
so I can't help I can't help but wonder why
I wonder.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
The same thing. Another one last thing, Yeah, I don't.
I also don't understand in today's game the five inning.
It seems like when these pitchers get to that fifth inning,
Frank kna just no matter what position the game is.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
In, he wants to pull him.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
And what happened to the sixth seven eight inning guy,
the sixth seven eight inning starter. Uh, you know, with
the exception of our one pitcher, I just don't see
that with the reads, I never see a pitcher go
over five innings.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, they've had they've had some starts recently where you know,
obviously Chase Burns has gone seven. Chase Burns on Friday
was was awesome. They've let Brady Singer get through a six.
But I think part of that is just the way
the game is run and manage now where there is
a reluctance to have a picture, get to the batting
order a third time. And the Reds are not the
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only team that I think you see that reflected with Mike.
I appreciate the call. Other Mike, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty, go.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Ahead, I love thanks, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You're welcome.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
Can't ever see that commercial on TV here over the
last few months where it's proving like mildew or something
and the family's in there and they go, damn, what
does that smell? And then the wife goes, damn, what
is that smell? And then the little kid goes, damn,
what is that snow? And the dad goes language, language, language,
guess how the reds are right now? They they smell.
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Bro Austin brought up a good point today. South Stewart
should be playing third base. He should have been playing
third base since.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
He got here.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
That's his position, That's what he's played typically coming up
through the ranks. You know this as well as I do.
Most teams third basemans are are typically productive offensively, if
not a lot of home runs.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right.
Speaker 10 (23:21):
Who's afferent like you? Sounds like mister Stewart.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To me and sounds like the exact opposite of of
Key Brian Hayes, And so to me, everything starts with
the ass as it relates to what you're talking about.
Everything starts with the decision to trade for and pay Mike.
Thank you for the phone call. Trade for and pay
Key Brian Hayes. I believe Sal Stewart's future is at
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third base.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But like I.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Don't know what they're gonna do with Key Brian Hayes.
I didn't understand the trade when they did it. I
haven't understood a lot of things as it relates to
the Reds. But the thing that I get the least
is Key Brian Hayes. Sala Stewart played first base to
start the season and has played it okay, but played
first base to start the season because they had Key
Brian Hayes. I think it makes all the sense in
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the world to pay Key Brian Hayes to go away
and move sal over to third because I agree with you.
I mean, number one, you just need more hitters. Key
Brian Hayes isn't a good hitter. Number two, the ball
isn't hit to you enough at third base to justify
great field no hit. I'd rather have Salas Stewart at
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third base. He should be playing there, by the way,
for what it's worth, he is playing second base tonight.
Joe Goodbury on the Bengals.
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Speaker 2 (25:25):
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Speaker 2 (25:35):
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Speaker 1 (25:37):
We thank the folks here for their hospitality, and we
thank our guy Joe Goodberry from Bengals on the Brain
from joining us. Let's uh, let's talk about Thursday night.
I think the thing that stood out to so many
of us, was how good the rookies who played? Look,
how ready is the Bengals rookie class to contribute when
the games actually count?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Man that first preseason game, I don't know if we've
had a for an entire class like that ever, right,
I can't remember. I remember bits and pieces of each
rookie throughout three or four preseason games, all showing up,
all having their moments. But everyone that played had an impact,
had a splash play. I mean, starting from Cash's howl
in his spin move half stack. I don't know if
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you even got credited for it, but he had a
couple of wins as a pass rusher. I thought he
set the edge well on one run defense play. Landon
Robinson was the talk of the game afterwards. He was
active throughout the entire game, played thirty two snaps.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We should have been, but he stood out.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I thought, in general, the entire class down from cashus
howel who's your top pick? Down to Brian Parker and
Jack Entries and Landon Robinson your last picks.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Everyone had an impact. Check Juries had a touchdown. He
looked good blocking.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Brian Parker played left guard and center with the twos
and threes, he looked very good.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To me. That looks like a future starting guard.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That's what I thought he was coming out, So I'm
very happy to see first test was passing. And I
just think in general, could they play right away? I
think many of them can. It's going to be interesting
to see how many do, because a lot of these
picks were at positions where they had a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Is Brian Parker already their best backup offensive lineman and
does that say more about him or the other guys
that make up the twos and threes?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
He is, and it says a lot about him, because,
like I said, I thought he was worthy of a
late second to third, no later than fourth round pick,
So to get him in the sixth I thought was
extreme value. To me, he looks like a future Clint
Bowling level type guard. So ask me again in three
years and we may just say, yeah, he's that guy.
And you know, Joe, you were right once in a
while that that'd be nice. But no, I do think
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it looks bad on Jalen Rivers as well, because he
got beat pretty poorly. After watching tape, there was a
couple other plays as well since then, at practice, he's
been at left tackle and it's been Cody Ford with
the backups that guard.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
It's been Jacob Bayer with the backups that guard opposite
of Brian Parker.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So I think they're trying to see who has the
versatility worthy of keeping because as of right now, I
think you're throwing in Brian Parker if someone goes down
on the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Eric All's got to play in a preseason game. But
he's had an awesome offseason. He's looked apart during training camp.
He has every tool in the box that you can
ask a tight end to have. We saw Jack Andrees.
Just give me a breakdown at the tight end room.
Is this the deepest, potentially they've had at that position
in years.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
I think for sure it is.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And it starts with very segmented positions within the tight
end position because you have Mi Koseki, who's basically.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
A wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
He almost never lines up in a true tight end set.
He never is really blocking. I think he was out
wider in the slot for ninety one percent of his
snaps last year. He doesn't play any special teams either,
which is huge for tight ends. Everyone behind him, though,
Drew Sample is your big blocker that is not a receiver.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
We know about these guys.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
It seems like Cam Grandy is a straight up backup
or Drew Sample as a wide tight end. He's also
six five, two fifty. He's got size on him right,
he can block. He also did a little bit of
eric All stuff last week with the start because All
didn't play in that Lions game. So all of your
move tight end, you're h back the guy you're going
to put in motion and block the unblocked the end
on the other side, or chip and release and maybe
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run after the catch, a lot of what they did
with Noah Fan last year. I think they're really excited
about eric All and getting him back into this offense,
pointing more twelve personnel, which is when running back two
tight end sets. But from there, Jack Endries is more
like an eric All style tight end.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
He's not so much Mikeaseki.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
He's not really Drew Sample doesn't have that type of
size and strength, and I think that's how they used
him in this game. But they also gave him some
straight up blocking on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Plays, which was nice to see.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think the wild card here is Tanner Hudson, who
is traditionally been a slot receiver type, more of a Monkaseki,
but he's doing a little bit more in camp and
in preseason he is blocking a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And I saw, i'm watching.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
The broadcast, he's Earnston's walking with him, and I went
and watched the film. He's on every special team's play,
and I'm like, he's trying to make this roster.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's trying to make it so.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
He is so invaluable you can't cut him even on
a deep room because he's also the backup like four
string quarterback and emergency quarterback, short yardage tight end that
comes in for sneaks, long snapper if someone goes down.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
He does everything, So I think he's gonna make this roster.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Joe Goodbary Bengals on The Brain dot Com. Give me
the appropriate way to talk about or react to what
we saw from Orlando Brown on Thursday and what we've
seen from him, because the you know, the video snippets
that are out there are not exactly flattering.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So how do we break him down? What's the right
way to do it?
Speaker 6 (30:35):
So I'm more critical of the young players when I'm
watching preseason I want to see.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
They're the hungry ones, they're the ones excited.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I was just listen as someone posted a clip from
Micah Hyde, who is a Packers and Bill's safety, and
he was talking about he's retired now. He's talking about
his preseason and how he approached it When he was
a rookie.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
He approached that first.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Game like he was playing in the Super Bowl as
a fifth round pick, right and met everything for him.
He was ready for that first game, and by year three,
four five, he just wants to get in and get out.
They really are the veterans, he said. Everyone was like
this around the NFL. They're really they don't care, they
don't want to play in preseason. They're just trying to
survive and get out of there. So I tend to
be less critical of those guys. On one hand, I
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also need you to protect protect Joe Burrow with everything
you've got because he is the franchise and if he
gets hurt in a preseason game, this city is going
to burn down.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
So like, let's not have that happen.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Let's not play with that, Orlando and have a little
bit more effort on those plays.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
But I do kind of you know, I understand.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Why these guys don't want to be out there for
the meaningless games.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Are they okay ish right now at linebacker?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I wonder if they are actually because it was such
a big conversation. I mean all year last year, we've
put the focus in microscope on those guys and they
were pretty bad for largely the entire season, So of
course we talked about it all off season. We always said,
you know, there's a chance these guys take a step
in year two. I think the biggest thing, because it's
hard to tell yet if they how big of a
step they take. Of course they probably did in there too,
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but I think the biggest thing is that they're keeping
them free and clean way more often, and they're doing
this with their five man fronts and their three to
four defense, and just how much they've invested at defensive tackle,
from Dexter Lawrence to Jonathan Allen, even Landon Robinson. Chris
Jenkins may have taken a step, but keeping TJ. Slaton
not just straight up cutting him, getting BJ hillback, that's
a lot of beef up front. Those are three of
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the top six double team defensive tackles over the last
five years.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
That's going to keep your linebackers free.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
And everyone talks about it, but when you actually see
it and you see it in the games, you go, yeah,
of course, they look like they're playing faster. They're more
accurate in the reads, they can see what's going on.
They're not trying to fend off offensive linemen climbing to
the second level to block them. They're able to free,
freely flow to the play and get their quicker faster
with more aggression. So even if they're that not that
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much better, their negative plays should be fewer and far between.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Understanding that the rest of camp in the preseason could
impact this answer, and understanding that, like you know, you
got to pay attention to who's made available on cutdown day.
If you could add one player to one group, where
in this team would that be?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I am wondering about swing tackle because if it's not
Cody Ford, if you're moving him to guard after one
practice and it sounds like there's a lot of pressure
on him. Jeff Hopson Bengals dot COM's had a bunch
of articles kind of insinuating that there is pressure on
Cody Ford. The team wanted them to drop weight, They
want them to be better at offensive tackle, and then
Jalen Rivers is now gonna go out to left tackle.
It looks like based on practices leading up to this
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game here, So let's see that he was so bad
last year they had to move him into guard. This
is a guy that's six five and his thirty five
inch arms, he should be playing tackle. So if it's
neither of those guys, if you end up coming away
from preseason like it's not Ford, it's not Rivers, do
you really expect these undrafted guys to be that or
the Andrew Cookers of the world. No, if someone goes down,
or if Orlanda Brown has a bad, bad year, I'm
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talking not just what we saw last year at moments
when I'm talking real bad, I don't know if they
have another option. I don't know if there's anything on
this roster that I would feel comfortable turning to. I
feel really good about their guard depth and into your
offensive lind Up, we didn't mention Connor Loui's going to
be the future center.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I just don't really love tackling.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
If there's someone that's cut or a veteran out there
or something still there on the last day, kind of
similar to Dalton Reisner getting signed what four days before
the season started last year.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I would like the idea of kicking the tires on
a swing tech Joe Goodberry.
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Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tony Pike joins us every hour with the latest from
training camp. Nothing happening today, Tony, which is sort of
a quiet before the storm day, because this is going
to be a big week.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, you know, not only Thursday the joint practice, which
bar none, you take practices, you take preseason games. It
will be the most significant day of training camp and
the most significant day of work this team will have
before their opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's Thursday.
Tomorrow is expected to be an intense physical practice as well,
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So you kind of circle this week as the work week,
I don't expect a lot of the guys to play
on Saturday because so much of their work is going
to get done on Thursday against the Bears Ones, and
then you're in preseason game number three on the road
where not a lot of guys are going to play.
So this is the big week of work that you
circle for Bengals training camp on where you're going to
start to maybe see some separation.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
How close is Dante Myers to clinching the spot on
this team.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I think he's really close. I think if the decision
were to be made today, I think there's a spot
between Charlie Jones, Kendrick Pryor, and Mitch Kinsley. I think
that would come down to the last spot. I think
Dante Myers as of today would be on the roster.
I think he gives you more of an upside than
what the others do. But that's the thing about training
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camp and the next couple of days. You're going to
have an opportunity to make your case if you're one
of those other guys, and if you're Dante Myers, you
also have the case that you could lose if you
take a couple steps back so if it were done today,
I think he does, but I think there's a lot
of time, and there's going to be a lot of
install and a lot of film work and things to
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work on between now and then before they.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
Make the decision.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Tony, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Tony is back with me tomorrow at ten am for
the AE Door and Window Tony and Mode Training Camp show.
Tomorrow's practice in the morning. The practice is moving forward,
no longer open to the public, so we can be
your eyes and ears as we talk about everything that
unfolds tomorrow and of course Saturday Night Bengals and Bears
from the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium, Dan Horde,
(36:59):
Dave Lap and Toni with the call at seven pm on.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
ESPN fifteen thirty. We are done.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'm going to thank the folks here at the Cincinnati
Open for hosting us yet again. I want to thank
Mike Mills for producing this show on site. Of course,
tarn Back and Kenwood for taking care of us there tomorrow.
In the show, Paul Danner Junior joins us on a
billion different Bengals related topics and.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
A lot more. So we hope you're there. Three zero
five tomorrow. Have a great night.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Don't forget Sincy three sixty is tomorrow at noon, right
after the AE Door and Window Tony and Moe Training
Camp Show. Have a great night and thank you for listening.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station
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