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September 30, 2024 105 mins
The Bengals win! The offense plays well. The defense, well, doesn't.  What does it mean for Sunday's massive game against the Ravens?  We discuss.

Plus, the ins and outs of a Cincinnati win over Carolina, breaking down UC's loss to Texas Tech, and more. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
For the first time this year, we come to you
from Twin Peaks after a Bengals victory. Wow, a victory
Monday edition sort feel the excitement you really can.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
We're at Twin Peaks in Florence.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's the Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty,
the afternoon after the Bengals first win of the twenty
twenty four season thirty four to twenty four over the
Carolina Panthers. Cincinnati is now one in three. We are
celebrating all afternoon long by sitting here at a restaurant
doing a talk show. Yes, we want you to join us.
There are two Monday night football games tonight. You can

(01:17):
watch both here. There is regular season baseball with playoff
implications happening right now. You could watch here. You know,
I was at a Twin Peaks on Friday in yeah
one in Texas Ry. It got me in the mood
to be here this afternoon. We're in Westchester. Right off
I seventy five, Get off at the Union Center Boulevard exit.

(01:37):
You'll be here within minutes. Come on out. I just
got the meatball skillet. We've got tons of cold beer.
We've got a great weight staff. You can't ask for
anything more. And we have a Bengals victory to talk about,
and also a little bit later on a bear Cat loss.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Biggest win of the weekend. Was it the Bengals or
the Reds holding onto that run differential?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, and what we will do over the course of
the afternoon, and we'll have tarreon monitor this for us
as I don't know when the announcement will be. I'm
sure they have to talk with the county and the
city and the city manager's office. The parade yes to
celebrate finishing with a positive run differential of plus five
and Freddy Benavidez's first win, Freddy Benavide's first win and

(02:15):
that plus five run differential.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, that's the sort of thing. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't know if I'm either get a hoodie or
a T shirt, but I'm definitely gonna get a hat.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, it's where we're in the fall, so it's time
to get to that area. What I think, you know,
my thought of yesterday, and we hit on this last week.
There was no feel good win scenario with yesterday's game,
Like you knew you better beat him, and if you do,
you're still one in three and you got a lot
of work to do. If you lose, you're done. Because

(02:45):
of how the first three played, you knew going into
Carolina that it wasn't gonna be like this rah rah.
They got the win regardless of how they did it,
and I think with how the game unfolded, it's really
nice to get a win. It's really nice to get
into that column. We know is watching across the NFL
each and every week. Anything can happen on a given Sunday.
Mm hm. But you know it feels like one of

(03:06):
those moments. And Scott Soanderfield used this after the tousand
win or you can win, but you also have the
attention of your team because you got so much to
get better at. And I think there were really good
things that came out of yesterday, but also things that
four games into the season still require a lot of tension.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yesterday it was about setting yourself up to get your
season moving next week. What I was more interested than
anything is I don't want to say I assume the
Bengals were going to win, but that was the most
likely outcomeing So, okay, they're one in three. What is
the opportunity next Sunday? So Sunday night Baltimore plays and
they play great. Either it's a chance to bury them
if they lose, or stave them off a little bit

(03:45):
if they win. They played great last night, And so
I just said this to Austin with the win yesterday,
and we'll dive into the nuts and bolts of the
game in Charlotte. But the difference between coming out of
Sunday one and four and coming out of Sunday two
and three is massive well, and it always is in
the NFL. Right, but you have a chance to be
a divisional opponent, a team that still is the odds

(04:07):
on favorite to win the division. You have a chance
to prevent them from getting above five hundred. You have
consecutive wins, you'll go in the road. You'll be at
least slight favorites in New Jersey against the Giants as
opposed to one in four Buried.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's different, and not just that all of a sudden
that door creaks open just a little bit in the
AFC North. Sure, Pittsburgh dose of reality yesterday. Granted they're
three and one, and that's a kudos to them, but
that's not a three and one sustainable the way they
play Cleveland. As many questions we have here, as long
as Cleveland keeps parading Deshaun Watson out as their quarterback

(04:44):
and that offensive line, I don't fear Cleveland. And now
to your point, the win yesterday gives you the ability
to say, Okay, you can draw even with Baltimore on
Sunday in your own building. Now, I think two and
a half home dog right now the last I saw.
But you had the chance to draw even with the Ravens,

(05:05):
and in doing so, now all of a sudden your
back open. And then we say, what, well, Thursday at
New York Giants aren't very good. And then you go
to Cleveland and that's not a good Cleveland team. Right now,
you start to talk yourself into it. At two and
three to your point one and four, the numbers, as
they already have been, continue to kind of work against you.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean at one in three you have or
one and four, you have twelve games to go. You
got to go nine and three tickets to ten, and
that doesn't guarantee you anything. And so that's what yesterday
to me was all about. Yesterday looked like what for
the short term at least is going to have to
be the blueprint, and that's the offense carrying the defense. Now,
Joe Burrow, aside from the pick, was terrific.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yesterday.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
We saw a good, productive ground game, a terrific offensive
line performance. We saw balance, we saw explosiveness on the other.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Side of the football.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Cool you know, anecdotal, there were some guys who made
some really nice plays there was Trey Hendrickson essentially forcing
an interception. There was the gold line stand and the
play that Chris Jenkins made. DJ Turner showed some flashes.
They got a good special teams played from John Anthony,
which I was thrilled about.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
But I walked away from that game.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
When you add to it, Trey Hendrickson maybe dealing with
an injury. Boy, if that Carolina Panther offense can do
what it did, look at Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson
at what they did last night, and think ahead to Sunday.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, they carried it eighteen times for a buck fifty five.
The Panthers Miles Sanderson Chuba Hubbard one over five yards
on the ground. Again that, yes, we can hope that
guys get healthy, and that Trey Henderson was more of
a scare than anything else. But what is it about
currently constructed makes you think that they're going to be

(06:49):
able to stop the running anytime soon? Again, the only
negative the knock that I had on offense the Borough interception,
and he owed up to it right away, and I thought,
Quodo Volson still looks shaky. Outside of that, everything on
the offensive side of the ball is positive and we'll
dive into all those positives. But Hendrickson's question marks Cam

(07:13):
Taylor Britt, My goodness, that's supposed to be corner one,
Cam Taylor Britt in the run defense. I just where
do you turn from here? Zach Carter is ranked one
thirteen out of one thirteen of eligible interior defensive linemen
in pass rush. Now. I thought Chris Jenkins flashed a
little bit. Yeah, still waiting, like hoping to get McKinley

(07:34):
Jackson back and Miles Murphy back, although I'm a little
nervous that they haven't been added yet. Yeah, right, it was.
Brad Robbins was added, and that's the one position I'm
good at. Rico has been awesome, awesome right now for
the Cincinnati Bengals. So I'm a little concerned because you
want to One of my positives was help is on

(07:55):
the way? Question mark how much can they help? Or
as the blueprint, like you said, you're gonna have to
find a way too well to get a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think the thing about the defense is even at
full strength, which they haven't been at full strength, we
don't believe the ceiling was gonna be that high to
begin with, and so we've seen what the floor can be.
Yesterday often looked a lot more like the floor than
anything approaching the ceiling. Zach Taylor is gonna talk live
at three thirty. Will carry that for you because we

(08:24):
have the contractual obligation to carry Zach Taylor's press conference.
You'll hear his answers, you will not be able to
hear the questions that is not our fault that is
coming up in just about fifteen minutes. Above and beyond that,
lots to get to with yesterday's game, will go through
all the AFC North action, everything else that happened around
the league.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Week four.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
There are two Monday night games that I will get to,
the Bearcat loss against Texas Tech and Lubbock. We'll talk
about Kentucky's win on the road against Ole Miss and
the Alabama Georgia game as well.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Also, I got like now thirteen years to get my
kid up to speak because obviously seventeen year olds are
now taking over college football. Pressure's on, man, come on, wild,
pressures on. Get moving.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
It is sixteen minutes after three o'clock. We're at Twin
Peaks in Westchester. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show.
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station twenty three minutes
after three o'clock, ESPN fifteen thirty, Moeggor with Tony Pike
Kids The Tonian Mo Football Show at Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We are here until six o'clock. Will be at the
Florence location next Monday and the Monday after that, hopefully

(09:25):
week from today, celebrating a Bengals victory over the Baltimore Ravens.
We'll talk about yesterday's Bengals victory over the Carolina Panthers,
and we'll hear from Bengals head coach Zach Taylor when
we come back. It's The Tony and Mo Football Show
at Twin Peaks on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN Sports Station, ESPN fifteen thirty, twenty.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Nine after three.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
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to yours for life, kelseyshev dot Com. Bengals one in
three after their win in Charlotte over the Panthers yesterday,
take on the Baltimore Ravens, who were terrific last night
and blowing out the Bills in Baltimore. Sunday's game kicks

(10:10):
off at one o'clock. You'll hear it on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Pregame covered starts at nine am. Zach Taylor talks. In
just a matter of moments, Trey Hendrickson suffered what Taylor
after the game called a stinger yesterday. He was spotted
in the locker room afterward with his arm in a sling.
Two Monday night football games Tonight, we have the Lions

(10:31):
and Seahawks from Detroit on ESPN fifteen thirty, Titans in Miami.
That game airs on ESPN fifteen thirty. Brendan Soresby named
the Big Twelves Newcomer of the Week for his performance
in UC's lost to Texas Tech. On Saturday night, we
have the Marx Stoops Show at six o'clock on ESPN
fifteen thirty. He'll talk about Kentucky's big road win against
Old Miss Alabama, Texas, Ohio, State, Tennessee, Georgia. One through

(10:53):
five in the AP Top twenty five College Football poll,
Indiana enters at five and zero at number twenty three.
Baseball all today, there is a double header in Atlanta
between the Mets and the Atlanta Braves, New York has
scored six runs in the eighth inning to take a
six to three lead. If that result holds, the Mets
clinch a playoff berth. The two teams will then play

(11:15):
the second game of the doubleheader. If Atlanta wins Game two,
or I guess if they come back and win game one,
the Braves clinch a playoff berth. So if there's a split,
both teams go to the postseason. If there's a sweep, well,
then the Arizona Diamondbacks will make the postseason.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Because a gentleman agreement between the two.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
So what's interesting is they said Baseball said to whoever
won the first game, you can't celebrate and do champagne.
And then so the manager of the Mets said, if
we both win, we should come out for a collective hug.
Tiper Zach Taylor. Jack Taylor's talking with the football media
right now.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Ray, We'll just see where the week takes us there.
It's just, you know, less than twenty four hours after
the game, so hard to say. With b Jane Sheldon again,
we'll get into the week and see how they feel. Wednesday, Thursday,
I've kind of said I think BJ's a little farther
along than Sheldon is. And so again we'll just kind
of see where the weak texts is there.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
And then do you expect Miles Murphy and we can't
leave Jackson to be back to see.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
Calendar elegant welcome back.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Yeah, I think they're both. Again, we'll activate that window
probably some point closer to Wednesday and get them back
on the field and see where they're at.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
After looking at the take, what impressed you.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
The most about the run game of the second?

Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think that the strain from everybody. You know, that's
that's a line, that's tight ends, that's receivers, that's backs
hitting it. You know exactly how we want it done,
so you know, it's it's those deals where all eleven
guys on offense make the run game go. And I
think that there's some really good examples of of everybody
buying in and paying attention to the details and playing

(12:49):
physical and so again there's just great evidence of everyone
buying into that, and it's beneficent.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Look at at this pass the Indus guys. When he
looked at it was it mostly kind of one on
one situations where guys were.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Winning well, I mean twofold. I think there's some things fundamentally,
certainly we can be better at. It starts with effecting
the passer number one and number two being fundamentally sound,
and number three that there were some examples where Andy
made some great throws and we were tightened coverage and
receivers did a nice job you know with the route

(13:26):
stems and creating just a little bit enough separation and
he put in a good spot. So there's some that
were just good football plays. And so a little bit
of everything, you know, and I think that there's are
some some things we're excited to get back on the
field and continue to improve.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Go ahead, looking at.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Camp specifically, like you want a billion on step off
confidence of course, Yeah, it's kind of the confidence and
get that back the step for camera.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, that game was not up to his standard, you know,
and I'm sure he'll talk more about it this week,
but you know, just just again, he's a guy that
we really lean on, uh to be kind of a
national piece over there, and that certainly wasn't his best
game and expect more from him going on. And that
wasn't up to his standard, And I'm excited to watch
how he responds to that.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Given who you are.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
Up against next week, Derek Henry and their run game,
how much better do you have to be setting the
edge and especially on the perimeter in.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
The run beat.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
It's a tremendous test for you because of who they've
got in the backfield, with the combination of Hill and Henry,
and you know with the running back, with the quarterback
brings to the table, you know, with Lamar and can kill
you with his arm and he's equals dangerous to his legs.
And so there's a tremendous attack that they've got there
with a card as well at the fullback position. And

(14:39):
so again they got a lot of weapons, they use
them the right way, it can really challenge you. And
and again just excited to watch our defense respond. You know,
it's a great test. And got a lot of confidence
in him, and so there's gonna be a lot of
work we got to put in this week.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
From Chris Jancots, do you feel like there was a
jump from his versus second game?

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yeah, I think we've and more and more common. There's
a lot of unknowns with him coming off the surgery
and playing with the club, and the more evidence that
has shown up on the tape, the more it shows
we can believe in him. And it's not a matter
of believing in him because he showed that during training camp.
Is just a matter of how you're going to come
off the surgery with the way he's got a user
right now, and I think we've seen enough through two

(15:20):
games to where he deserves a lot of opportunity.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, you guys kind of limiting him just because of
that in a little bit more than you maybe would
have if he was, you know, didn't have the club, and.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Honest absolutely absolutely now you can't do that. Yeah, there's
a lot of trust there.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
You know, you guys have a long history with Vaughn.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
But it's kind of two our question, do you feel
like you're getting what you need from him?

Speaker 7 (15:41):
And then is there a way for Jordan Battle.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
To get on the field.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
I think there is. I think there's all We're always
looking for guys to have opportunity that have earned it
with how they approach things and how they practice, and
and I think with Vaughan, you know what some guys
aren't going to get credit for is where they are
in position. So the plays don't come their way because
they've done a great job with I mean, I think

(16:05):
that happens a lot with Mike Hilden, that happens a
lot with Von Bell, and so they're not gonna get
credit for it because they take away the play before
the play can even get there, and they do a
great job with the alignment and get no one communicated.
And so there's a lot of things like that that
I don't think they'll ever get enough credit for. But
there's also opportunity for a lot of your players that
are talented and continue to work hard. We'll always try
to find ways to get them on the field.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Just four games there and I realized, but the trend
with the twelve seems to be growing eight work.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
What is it?

Speaker 7 (16:37):
Do you think hispanafit the most use to using more usage?

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Well, I think again, strong belief in our offensive line,
strong belief in our running backs. Our tight ends are
playing really physical in the run game. But it's not
just that we feel like we can compliment in the
past game. So you're not just they're out there and
there's going to be a run and there's no threat
to pass. I think that we've we've been able for

(17:02):
four weeks to to find the happy medium both those
things and and that can that can make it all go.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You've said before its taboo to give the line of
game ball as yesterday.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, I think I think as as a coach, I
got to be willing to evolve and and sometimes you
know this usually have they've seen it, to be quite
frank with you, and and so I've adhered to that.
But I thought yesterday was it was something worth mentioning.
The tight ends will have their days, you know, and
and yesterday I thought it was it was right to

(17:35):
make it about the offense line.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
What was it specifically about the offensive line that you
felt like was that next level?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yesterday you could feel as the game went that we
had great protection. You know, so as you're talking through
concepts and and what do we like play action, you know,
all the all the kind of stuff, at the end
of the day, it's like it all it all feels
good because we have time to do it all. And
so that's usually your first end game, like right, well,
the line obviously playing really well, and then just the

(18:02):
run game to see where it went, and you know,
and this is you can see it's it's close there's
runs that are so close to capping off for sixty
and and so again that's just that's just being able
to stick with it. And this was really the first
game we had the opportunity. Like we always talk about
playing with the lead, it's where you can really lean
on that in the second half and in four minute situations,

(18:23):
and that's where you usually pop those big runs. And
it's kind of what we've seen in the past. And
so I think there's there's still more there to be had,
and that's encouraging.

Speaker 8 (18:33):
You singled out as after the game, what did you
see on the development?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
What have you seen last year?

Speaker 5 (18:39):
A guy that just continues to grow with the opportunity,
And I think every rep that he gets, whether it's
to walk through a practice or a game, is going
to be beneficial for him. And and so again just
I think just the mental approach he has taken and
it's not too much for him. You can feel that
out there for him. We know that down the line

(18:59):
there's gonna be great test. I thought Conyie was a
great test. Connie's Kanye has done it in this league
for a long time. He knows how to attack a
tackle and and so I think that was really good
to kind of get his feet wet there with a
great test like that.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
Coating back to what you're saying about the right game
and all the seems to be an incident every time
Chase Brown gets a hand on where you think just
one mi, did you experience the same thing.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Sure, you know, it feels like he can be shot
out of a cannon, and I just think watching him
and Zach, it's just that they put it where it
needs to go, and so you feel like every time
they hit it kind of with the right timing there,
and so you feel like there's there's opportunity for big plays.
And I think both of those guys, you know, we're
kind of a shoe string away from having those fifty

(19:46):
sixty orders yesterday, and they'll come. You know, if we
continue to give the opportunity and continue to play the
game as a team the right way, then then those
guys are going to get their opportunity to set those
big ones.

Speaker 7 (19:56):
How difficult is that prog down the middle of Forrow.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Me, Yeah, it's tough, you know, because he's he's obviously
trying to measure the safeties to see where the opportunity
is going to be outside and and there's only there's
only that much room for error there when you're throwing
down the middle between you know, the carrybacker and the
safety closing in on it. And so again that that's
a credit to Joe and the timing there of placing

(20:22):
that ball, Yoshi going up and being physical at the
catch point and bringing that thing down and holding it
through the contact.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
And I know it didn't feel good.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
And so that that's a big play that we have
needed in this offense. Is you know, to be able
to hit those balls on the middle like that.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
Energy as infectious.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yeah, yep, I mean you get three catches, you know,
and and for him to maintain that energy throughout. And
you know, I look back on the game and it
was just it was a strange game. We were backed up,
and then we were red zone, and then we were
two minutes and there's really only one four play drive
in between that where he scored. You know, he got
his and he scored. So there wasn't a lot that

(21:02):
I reflected back on as a play caller and I'm like, man,
we should have. It was just unusual how those it
was three unique situations that all happened in the first half,
but for him to play with that energy, you know,
just just the joy you could see on his face
when we scored that touchdown and that lit the whole
team up. We showed first series the second half, he
made a key block on the one that Chase almost

(21:23):
took to the house. He goes in there to crack
the safety and so again it's just there's the little
details that that those guys don't often get praised for
that we see behind the scenes. That kind of set
the standard for the rest of the team when your
best players are willing to do that kind of stuff
that maybe everybody doesn't see on the outside, but the
team sees it, and then it raises the standard for

(21:44):
everybody else on the team.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Zach Taylor, chatting with the local professional football media set
about Trey Hendrickson quote, we'll see where the week takes
us as it relates to his stinger that he suffered yesterday.
Also did acknowledge that they do expect they're eligible to
come back this week and practice, Miles Murphy and McKinley Jackson.
Zach expects both to return to the practice field. It

(22:09):
is a nineteen away from four o'clock. Tony Pike is
with me. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show. We're
here at Twin Peaks in Westchester. We'll dive into the
nuts and bolts of yesterday's Bengals victory over the Panthers
when we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,
when it comes to water Away from four o'clock. ESPN
fifteen thirty. All right, Tony and Mo Football Show, Twin

(22:29):
Peaks in Westchester. We are here until six o'clock.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
We got the Zach.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Taylor stuff out of the way. Let's start with the
positive stuff, Tony.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, yah, because there was a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'll begin with the offensive line, starting with the Marius
Mims continuing through Alex Kappa. Orlando Brown played a good
game first time since twenty twenty one, Joe Burrow got
through a game without being sacked, and they were terrific
and run blocking two yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
To me, it's what they're able to do and have
been able to do on the run blocking side of
things that makes this even more impressive MO, because that,
to me, is their answer for their defense. Their offense
is going to score. Their offense is elite. At some
point you've got to slow down what the other offense
can do, and the establishment of the running game, in
my opinion, has gone a long way to do that.

(23:15):
So you know, if things continue in that sense of
they can run the ball and get what they're doing
right now, I mean yesterday they ran it for four
and a half a carry. That helps you a line
because it doesn't allow what second and ten, third and
long where you pin your ears back now. Burrow obviously
also possesses the innate ability to extend when he has to.

(23:38):
We saw that yesterday, but top to bottom with a
Marius Mems making his first start, and I know he's
got the same guy he was. That's an experience to
Daveon Clowney couldn't get anything going. Orlando Brown is as
solid as they come right now. I love what this
offensive line is doing right now for the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
I love what the offensive line is doing, and I
love we saw explosives. We saw it from Chase Brown.
We obviously saw the long pass, catch and run Burrow
to Jamar Chase. The versatility, the difficulty in defending this
offense when the run game is clicking, when they've got
a full complement of offensive weapons. I mean like they

(24:16):
played a game yesterday where Mikasiki basically had no impact. Right,
where you get a negative impact, you had a negative
nine impact, right. I'm not sure that was scored correctly,
but nonetheless, and you don't know. And now there could
be a game, maybe it's this Sunday where Mikasiki makes
an impact when they offensively and they weren't flawless, and
we'll talk about some of the decisions that Zach Taylor

(24:36):
and Joe Burrow both made.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
But when this offense is whole and.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
The line is blocking, they've got to be almost impossible
to prepare for.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
You almost have to pick your poison. Especially with the
running game. You can't over exaggerate that enough. And what
I like yesterday fifteen carries a piece. It wasn't skewed,
and we heard Dan Horde ask the question there there
is something about Chase Brown here the hole that looks
different than anybody else. Yes, I mean yes, we had
a caller today on sinty three sixties think well they

(25:06):
could have went out and got Derek. I'm not worried
about the run game. I like what they have with
Chase Brown. Zach Henry right, Yeah, I don't know that
offense doesn't feel like Joe Burrow is never going to
turn around and handed off to one guy twenty five times.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
No, But I mean, here's what I will say. Joe
Mixon had a terrific first game for the Houston Texans.
He has dealt with injury since. But if you want
to know why did they change? Why did they move on?
Watch the Chase Brown runs. Yep, because there is an
explosiveness that Joe didn't bring to the table. Even the
Zach Moss touchdown, which we're going to talk about the
decision there. It was a checkdown that turns into yardage,

(25:39):
which is something we didn't see with Joe. That's nothing
against what Joe did here, nothing against what Joe may
do moving forward. But if you want to saw why
they moved on, I think you saw with both running
backs yesterday why they did well.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
You saw the running backs, and then it's the compliments.
You know what Chase and Higgins are going to be.
Yoshi Vash a key big playdown in the middle. The
tight ends and not so much yesterday with Kasiki, but
the Eric All conversation.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Eric All is the best tight end on the team.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I saw a social media account gridiron grading. Among Eric Hall.
There are thirty one qualified tight ends from the twenty
twenty to the twenty twenty four draft class. He's number
two in yards per route, behind his an Likely. He's
number four in overall receiving grade behind Likely, Brock Powers,
and Trey McBride. And and he's been targeted twelve times. Yeah,

(26:31):
he's caught all twelve. And if you watch him as
a blocker, yep. There's a block that he makes on
the Chase run, on the Chase Brown run, the three
yarder where he comes over and just eliminates the dude. Yep.
He's going to be a Pro Bowl tight end.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
He might not be a Pro Bowl tight end where
he puts up Travis Kelcey numbers, which is ridiculous to expect,
but in terms of how they use him, maybe statistically
he's not going to be, but reputationally and when he's
asked to catch a pass, he's going to.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
He's a good blocker.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like we've waited year for the Bengals to have their
own homegrown tight end that you make a big part
of the offense.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
They could do multiple things. I think they have them
and right now, like you look at what happened yesterday.
They ran it thirty one times. Burrow threw it thirty
one times. Not all every game for them is going
to be that. But that's the recipe that you're gonna
have to have with this defense. And I know that

(27:26):
the targets and the catches weren't there, But for me,
you know, I wonder if half of Burrough's targets every
game go to Chase and Higgins, we're pretty we're good
with that. Yeah, Now, yesterday ten targets went to Higgins,
six went to Chase. He made the most of his targets.

(27:46):
But if you're telling me going in every game that
half of the attempts from Burrow are more than half
will go to Higgins and Chase and the rest is
going to be divvied up with the weapons you talked
about Yoshi Voss, Eric All, Zachmoss, Chase Brown, Jews, hamilm
Micah Siki and so on and so forth. Feel like
you you feel pretty good about where the offense is
as a whole. And also if Evan McPherson gets back

(28:08):
to the macpherson we saw yesterday, Rico punch the ball
the way he did, you feel great about the offense
as a hole and not really having to press as
much albeit with the defense.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And look, Zach Moss, we were talking about this off air.
Zach Moss bailed everybody out at the end of the
fall time. So for those who don't recall, the Bengals
was six seconds to go, had third and goal at
the one, no timeouts, no timeouts. They elect to run
a play, which in itself questionable decision. But if the
quarterback does the right thing, okay. Instead, Burrow throws a

(28:42):
check down unbelievable right behind the line of scrimmage and
asks Zach Moss to do all the work, and he does.
If he gets tackled short of the goal line, we
don't know how the game unfolds, and especially if they lose,
crushing them penning three hours on that decision and that
play today, I think it's a shaky decision by Zach Taylor.

(29:05):
I think it's an awful decision by a quarterback that
I don't associate with awful decisions.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Even with the way even though they scored, you still
can't like so bad. You can't do that in high
school football, like that's that's a note. If you're gonna
run a play, you're trusting, even if you're Zach Taylor.
I'm sure the play call wasn't a checkdown. It couldn't
have been. You're calling a play for your quarterback to
know to throw it in the end zone and and
he didn't.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now, I couldn't believe it as an unfolding because that and.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
The and I think and I know Austin got beat
up a little bit on Twitter on X because he
said Joe Burrow has made more boneheaded decisions in the
last four games than he has in four years. And
I I don't think he was saying that in attacking
I'm just saying that for four years he's been very
smart with decisions. Yeah, there's been a couple of times
this year against the Patriots last week where you're.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Just like, what what that one yesterday? Because it came
from him. That's the thing I would this is gonna
sound mean, I would have expected that from his counterpart yesterday. Yeah,
I mean, and that's maybe not fair because Andy's had
a very good, long career. But if you were to
tell me there's two quarterbacks in this game, who with
six seconds to go, No, timeouts, last play of the half.

(30:17):
They're gonna throw it behind the line of scrimmage and
put the team in jeopardy, the clock running out and
you're not getting any points. I would have said, Okay,
my money's on Andy Dalton. That is I mean, as
it unfolded, I couldn't believe it was happening because of
the quarterback we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
When I saw him turn to throw, I immediately thought
he must be wide open, right like Corner went with
the receiver. Man demand, someone got confused, he's gonna walk in.
There was three guys out there couldn't believe it. I
couldn't believe almost falls, makes a guy miss and carries
essentially two into the end zone. That on top of
the interception late in the game, where you already have

(30:53):
points guaranteed, just two of those decisions by Burrow, where
again he owned up to him after the game. Can
you outline for me what happened on that pick? You know,
in a scramble drill, you're assuming that your receiver is
working with you, and it just felt, for whatever reason,
Chase Sall and opening one way and Burrow thought he
was going to go the other. I mean that's it's
not an excuse because you never just throwed the ball

(31:14):
up down the middle of the field and Joe and
he took a hit on it. That's the last thing
you do. You burn it and at worst you've got
points off the drive. Because I think everyone kind of
felt the same thing when that happened, of oh boy,
door's open. Now the door's open. It's the same way,
you know that, it felt like the door opened when
the Bengals were up seven and they got the ball

(31:35):
back and it's third and two with a chance to
salt the game away, and you run a outside zone
to Zach Moss and you took the ball out of
Joe Burrows. It's just it was a lot of things
yesterday and again, I think when we open up the
show on a day where the offense otherwise played well,
you get a win, but you got a lot to
work on.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, the margin for error against the Panthers is wider
than the margin for error against the Baltimore Ravens or
any number of the teams they're gonna play. Can we
this is a football show. Can we talk about this
baseball game happening in Atlanta?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, I'm so jealous of days like this because I
just want to I want to feel YEA.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
So really quick to update you if you are at
all interested in the baseball playoffs. The Mets and Braves
are playing a doubleheader today. The winner of game one
makes the postseason. If the loser of Game one wins
Game two, they make the postseason. So Atlanta had a
three to nothing lead going into the eighth. New York
then scored six times in the top of the eighth

(32:37):
to take the lead. Atlanta came back with four in
the bottom of the eighth, aided by an Edwin Diaz
brain fart on the mound and Ozzie Albi's clearing the
bases with a three run double. New York has just
retaken the lead on a Francisco Lindor to run homer,
a guy who would be the nl M v P
perhaps if not for someone named sho hey Otani, so unreal.

(33:00):
Have been three lead changes in the last three half innings.
New York is still batting in the top of the ninth,
and again, the winner of this game makes the postseason.
The'll play game two. If there's a sweep in the
double header, then the Arizona Diamondbacks made the play. I
could not agree more. I know this is regular season baseball.
Give me the Reds in this.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
But now, now there's a question for the bottom of
the ninth right because Edwin Diaz has already thrown twenty
one pitches. So now you're all everything closer. Yeah, might
not be available for I believe it is Olsen, Solaire
and Loreano coming up.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
And let's say he tries to pitch the ninth right
and you lose. Is the available for three hours from now?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Man? What madness?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
What's fun?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I love? I know it's September thirtieth. I love October baseball. Yeah,
I love October baseball. Maybe one day, man, maybe one
day we'll enjoy you mention us doing this show today
and this is the Reds. Be a great lesson.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I'm sure. Hold on. Just play a sounder please.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
All right, we'll step away. We're going to talk about
the defensive performances in the game against baseball. It's a
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Speaker 1 (34:58):
Tonia Mo Football Show, Twin Peaks and west Chester our
number two four minutes after four o'clock Moweger with Tony Pike.
Day after the Bengals beat the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte
to pick up their first win of the season thirty
four to twenty four. The final score Cincinnati now one
and three, with the Baltimore Ravens coming to town.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
To two and two on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
We'll talk about that matchup a little bit more specifically
coming up in just a bit. We've got some college
football we've got to talk about. And I will take
applications for vice president of the eric All Fan Club
man because I'm the president.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, I think it's a good one to be a
part of.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, I'm driving that bandwagon.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I was on a KIM. I like Chase Brown. I
like what they've done with some of these younger offensive
draft yeahn't of you.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Just look at Chris Jenkins made a really nice play yesterday,
and I think we like Chris Jenkins upside a. Marius
Mims played a good game yesterday, and eric Al looks
the part. Those are first, Those are twenty twenty four
draft picks.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Those are the picks you have to make when you
know you've got to spend top dollar on players. Though.
The problem is, and I know we're gonna into it,
they've not seemed to hit like they have on the
offensive side of the ball. On the defensive side of
the ball. Correct, John Anthony had to play yes yeay? Yeah? Yeah.
We talked why, I don't know why Carolina against this
defense and you're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
For it fourth and three? Yeah, why are you trying
line up and go a fake punt. Yep, you've got
Chuba Hubbard who is carving him up. Andy Dalton has time.
Oh and you're trying, Yeah, you're trying a punt pass.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
No sense. So good for John Anthony.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
The goat if you will, if you want to put
it that way of the Kansas City game coming up,
big good moment for him. Look, it's not like yesterday.
There weren't defensive heroes. They did get the goal line
stand at the beginning of the game, Chris Jenkins with
a really good play on fourth and one. On fourth
and one, Von Bell had to pick DJ Turner finally
got to play because Tanta Britt was awful yesterday and
he played pretty well. But top to bottom, this hasn't

(36:54):
been a good defense. It's not a good defense. It's
a terrible pass rush, and it's a terrible pass rush
with Trey Hendricks.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Exactly like it's like that pass rush right bad and
coverage and then they take some of the worst angles
I've ever seen, like just clear, it's like, okay, well,
at least they got the angle they're gonna contain, and
they don't. I just I don't understand from a sheer
angle standpoint, it's not like you look at that Carolina

(37:24):
team and you say, man, they've just got speed all
over the place. They're just gonna get you in bad
spots and dominate that way. They don't have that, and
so I'm just I'm amazed at how it feels like
they're running in quicksand with half this stuff. They just
they're not a confident defense. They don't stop the run,
they don't get after the passer, they don't tackle in space.

(37:47):
I mean, that's a recipe for disaster. And right now,
you know their best defensive player is questionable at best.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
And.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
They're number one and lockdown corner that we thought Cam
Taylor Britt had to be replaced at times yesterday.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Is that a bad day, bad again or a symptom
of a bigger problem, because I'm willing to say, look,
everybody's a lot a bad game. He had a bad day,
and the good news is they had DJ Turner who
was ready to go. But they're asking Cam Taylor Brit
to not just play well, but basically replace chidobeya Woozie
who at times was one of the best corners in

(38:26):
the sport. Now I'm just hoping for play that's good
enough to not get him benched. And then you gotta figure, like,
how are they gonna work DJ Turner into the mix
on a day or in the aftermaths of Dak celellgrading
out pretty well in yesterday's game according to Pro Football Focus.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And it's like, Okay, Jordan Battle is still an option.
I don't think Geno Stone has done much to wow you. No,
at this point, you know, Von Bell played better, but
they still look slow. The problem becomes it's the and
and I hate to already jump forward. You know, going
against Baltimore, if you can't win with four, you have
to apply pressure. Well, when you apply pressure, you open

(39:03):
up lanes, and you also put an emphasis on those
guys on the back end to cover. And at least
yesterday they couldn't cover Savior Legette. Yeah, they couldn't cover
Deontay Johnson. And Deontay Johnson's a good player. But Jonathan Mingo,
Tuba Hubbard, Jatavian Sanders like these aren't, you know, household

(39:25):
names that you're having to cover. So it to me
is it's a big problem. And I worry that four
games in having this conversation week in and week out,
doesn't feel like it's a problem that's going to be fixed,
and it's a lot of pressure on you know, McKinley Jackson.
It's a lot of pressure on Miles Murphy to not
only come back, but to come back and be impactful

(39:46):
players for this team.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, there's a couple of different issues with those two players.
Both can practice this week, that doesn't guarantee that they play.
If they play, how good are they going to be?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Now?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think we expect more from Miles Murphy because he
has an NFL experience, But McKinley Jackson, let's just say
he plays on Sunday, that's his first NFL game. Yep,
that's his first NFL game in a matchup where you
have to slow down Dereck Henry and figure out a
way to chase down Lamar Jackson. I just we talked
about it after every single one of these games, where's
the pass rush? And it crystallized after watching Jade Daniels. Meant,

(40:18):
by the way, if you missed what he did yesterday
to the Arizona Cardinals, it was even better than how
he performed against Cincinnati. We were wondering where the pass
rush is while Trey Hendrickson at times was unblockable, and
so I wonder about his availability, and I wonder about
his effectiveness based on him perhaps having to play through something.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
If he's good enough to even be on the field. Well,
now the concern is, you know, if you look at
the top rushing teams in the NFL, Green Bay is
at second with one hundred and seventy four and a
half per game. Ahead of them, is Baltimore not just
a couple of yards. Baltimore runs it for two to
twenty point three a game. For what it's worth, the
Bengals are one of the worst teams in the National

(41:01):
Football League at defending the run they are giving up
on average? Are the Cincinnati Bengals one on the ground
that is only better than the Rams, Colts, Bills, Panthers,
and Cardinals. So clearly, the best rushing team in the
game comes in against one of the worst rush defenses
in the game. And know, by the way, it's still
a guy in Lamar Jackson can beach in the air

(41:22):
as well. I just at this point, I don't know
where lou Anarumo turns to generate anything more. It's the
same thing I asked you last week.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
If you're the other offensive coordinator, if you're Todd Mounkin
in Baltimore and you're sitting down today going okay, we
have to keep this area the Cincinnati Bengals from ruining
our game plan.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, where's that area? And if the area is not
Trey Hendrickson now right, I mean, that's I don't know
where else you turn.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I know it sounds mean, but like, who is that guy?
Where is that area? Where is that strength? Who's that
guy that I go, Okay, we have to ensure this
doesn't screw up trying to do I'm not sure they
have that guy if Trey's healthy, without Trey or with
a physically compromised Trey who maybe's on a snap count
or something like that. Oh boy, And I know that

(42:11):
sounds harsh after they won, but it's four games in
that defense yesterday, combined with what we saw against Washington
not gonna be good enough in the game that they
have to win against.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Baltimore got gassed on the ground against New England, a
team you knew the only chance I can win was
running the ball right, but check out gashed him on
the ground. Washington again, good team, but Washington did whatever
they wanted on the ground, and yesterday, a team that's
not known for their rushing attack, yeah, ran pretty much
wherever they wanted on the Bengals. Defensively, yeah, I mean they.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Scored twenty four. They're on the doorstep. Yeah, first drive
of the game. Now, give the Bengals credit for getting
the stop. At the end of the day. We've seen
that a lot with Lu and Remo defenses. Right, we'll
give you yards, not points. But there was still I
said the same thing to you after the Washington game.
It was the ease with which they moved the ball. Now,
Carolina wasn't quite proficion but boy, there were times, and

(43:03):
there have been times in all four of these games
where whatever the other team's offense wants to do just
seems to come way too easy.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
And now the worry is outside of Logan Wilson, who
defensively is their highest graded player through four games. Outside
of him, you know, the one thing you had hopes
going into the season is Okay, maybe they can cut
off half the field with Cam Taylor Brett. Well, not
only did they not cut off the field, it felt
like that the Carolina approach was to attack Cam Taylor

(43:30):
Britt early in the game. Not you know, if it's open,
let your retake you there they went at Cam Taylor Brett.
That's worrisome because now you're votable on the outside, you're
votable up the middle. To your point, where do you
turn right now? If you're the Bengals on the defensive
side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I'll tell you what I think they have solved though
the search for a punter.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Maybe Brad Robbins still on the roster.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
So I think that's clerical. I think that's administrator. Can
you imagine Brad Robbins is not going to be the
punter On Sunday?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Good good.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Dan Horde, the voice of the Bengals, tweets with nine punts.
Ryan Rico doesn't have enough to qualify for the NFL lead.
He's one to ten short, so minimum ten. It's not
unlike baseball, where you have to have a certain amount
of act bats to qualify for batting average and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
But he continues.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
However, his fifty eight point four average and forty nine
point seven net would not only lead both categories, but
would be NFL records.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Now, I don't think anybody expects him to put up
those numbers over the course of the season. But I
think it does illustrate how good he has been for
somebody that I would not have bet on being the
guy when training camp started.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I mean, at one point training camp had three punters
on the roster.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
For the day that Kevin Hubert show up and I
wonder can still still it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
It's so nice to have a weapon. I mean, you
look at that late in the game when they had
to punt and they're able to pin the Carolina Panthers back. Yeah,
you know, that type of play and that type of moment.
You know, I hate to go back to this. It
cost him a game against the Kansas City chief did
where they weren't able to get the hangtime, so you
pin them back yesterday, you get the stop when you

(45:06):
need it. You know. It's very similar to what you
see did. They got asked all night Saturday night and
got to stop when they needed it. The Bengals defense
did the same. You know. Up seven, felt like Carolina
was poised with no Trey Hendrickson on the field to
go down and they come out and they get the
three and out. So you know, credit to them for
getting the stop. Credit for special teams to help it
along the way. You know, I think one jarring stat

(45:29):
on defense. You know, we talked about the Reds and
their run differential and where the parade will be. Right now,
the Bengals offensively have scored the second most points in
the AFC. They have a negative point differentially. I think
they're number two in offensive negative point difference. Yeah, it's
not good.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
No, I mean it speaks to the defense, and it
speaks to some of the issues. And I guess the
longer this goes, the more this is just it's what
they are and who they are.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Look.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I made the comparison last year or last week to
the two thousand nine Bearcats. I remember midway through the season,
Brian Kelly going, look, this is what our defense is.
We just got to figure out a way to do it.
Maybe it's not quite that bad, but like, all right,
don't get reinforcements. It'd be great to have m Kelly
Jackson back, Great to have Miles Murphy back. Great when
Sheldon Rankins comes back, Great when BJ Hill comes back.
And BJ Hill as listening to Paul Dayner Junior and

(46:20):
Jay Morrison this morning, talked a lot about how he
tried to come back, but at full strength. We talked
all summer long, this is probably gonna be a bad
d against the run.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
But the problem is we talked about that all summer.
They did have some money to spend, and they never
did anything about it. Yeah, we spend a lot of time,
like from the moment the season ended, we said, okay,
where does this team need to get better? And it
wasn't like we ignored, Like defensive line was one of
the things we led with right most of the time.
And again, maybe they thought Osai would be better, Maybe

(46:50):
they thought Ubbard was going to come back healthy. Regardless
you missed.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I sat with you at Twin Peaks the day after
the season ended and said area number one and you
said D line. And that's acknowledging they're probably gonna move
on from DJ reader.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Now, Sheldon Rankins can help, but everybody acknowledges his strength
is getting after the passer and helping your overall pass rush.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Yep. So any think I was told with BJ Hill
was if they could cut down some of his snaps,
yeah he would be great.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Okay, And look, they did use two early draft choices
on defensive tackles. But I will say this, as we
got closer to training camp, often I would ask you,
where is there an area where you would go find
a veteran player, And we'll talk about running back a
little bit. But we talked every single time about the
interior of that defensive line. It just feels to me,
it felt to me at the time like it went unaddressed,

(47:43):
and I feel like, to a degree, they're.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Paying for it.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
And it's been exascery exacerbated by not having Rankins, not
having Hill, Chris Jenkins being able to play only after
two games, not having McKinley Jackson. I mean, those things
don't help, but it amplifies something that I think a
lot of us thought was a problem already.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I asked Charlie Goldsmith, talked to him every week in
the offseason, and as the season was getting ready to
get under we, I said, Charlie, what is your biggest
concern with this team? Said? Defensive line? Yeah. Yeah, Like
he's watched it every day I was down there training camp.
We watched the moves that they made, and it never
felt like, oh, what are they going to do now
with that you can pivot? We don't know the severity

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of the Trey Hendrickson injury, and we know that this
is kind of a you know, in the know and
three start cools that significantly, but this was supposed to
be the all in season because you're likely not going
to pay t Higgins. Do you pick up the phone
and ask the Jets what they want us Tom Reddick,
who's not going to play for the Jets. They can't
trade him back to the Philadelphia Eagles. Why not? Yeah,

(48:44):
if this is your window, why not take an opportunity
at a guy who is a clear game changer. And
if you get Trey Hendrickson back, all of a sudden,
now you get two dudes that can get out to
the passer and you can't double team them both.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So if Miles Murphy comes back and he's someone that
you think and is what you think, Yes, but the
problem is I can't bank on that.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
I know. But they still have money to spend. Sure,
they have money that's open, and the situation with New York,
they need to do something. Why why wouldn't you if
you're still stuck to the gun here and say this
is our Super Bowl year, we are you know, we've
talked a lot that Joe Burrow. Money doesn't even start
hitting yet. Chase Money's gonna start hitting when that deal

(49:27):
gets done. Do it now, Do it now while you
got a chance with a player that is clearly unhappy
in Philly and a guy that can literally change your
defense by inserting him opposite of Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
All right, it's eighteen nineteen after four o'clock on ESPN
fifteen thirty. By the way, an an update on that
game in suburban Atlanta. The Mets did hang on, so
they went eight seven man, So they're going to the playoffs.
They're about to play game two here in just a
few minutes.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
If you just sit everyone in the second game and
let them just kind of sip on Champagne and the dugout,
you can do whatever you want. I mean, they said
they weren't going to do any celebrations, right, can they
just sip on champagne?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
So if the Mets win both games, they're the five seed.
If the Braves win the second game, the Mets are
the sixth seed.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
So there is some seeding to play for. But yeah,
I mean, I mean one of the other seeds. Who
are you trying to playoffs? Who you're trying to well,
I mean you could.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You could decide do we want to play Milwaukee or
San Diego?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
If you had the choice, who are you playing? I'd
rather play Milwaukee, I do too. San Diego is like
fifty and fifty at one point. Yeah, all right, absolute
train right now. I would rather the sixth seed gives
you Milwaukee and Philly. The five seed gives you San Diego.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And the Dodgers. You want the six I'm sorry, you
want the five. I would rather play Milwaukee than Philly. Yes, yeah,
it is twenty minutes after four. That Milwaukee team that
I said back in June was a house of cards, yep, folding.
Twenty minutes after four. We're here at Twin Peaks in Westchester.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
For the many games that the Royals lose last year,
one hundred and six.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Tonyan Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
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Speaker 1 (51:16):
After four o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty, It's the Tonian Mo
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call sweet Life dot Com the number three. Prior to yesterday,
that was the number of games Joe Burrow had played
in as a pro without getting sacked. And in one
of those games he suffered an injury against the Washington
football team, which is what they were back then, and
his season came to an abrupt end. So prior to yesterday,
he had played in two full games as a pro

(52:00):
without a sack, the most recent one coming against the
Steelers on September the twenty sixth, twenty twenty one. Wow, yesterday,
Joe Burrow not only not sacked, only pressured and hit twice.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I also like almost fifty four percent on third down. Yes,
you know, if you look ahead to this week against
the Baltimore Ravens, you're gonna want to convert those third
downs because you want to finish drives with touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, I but mentioned earlier the more third downs you convert,
the longer the drive goes, the more that other unit
gets to sit on the sideline. Can I give you
the loser of the week, Paul? Please? The person who
poured a drink on Chase Brown? Embarrassing. That must be
new because that stuff didn't happen when I was in Charlotte. No,
that's the data cover.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
If they were going to pour drinks on people, chances
are was gonna be on you guys one in fifteen year.
If you haven't seen it, there's a video. I think
Marshall Kramsky of Channel nine shot it, and if I'm
week crediting the wrong person, my apologies. But he is
shooting from the Bengals tunnel after the game to the
players coming in and you see a fan pour a
drink on Chase Brown, who thank god didn't go after

(53:07):
him and set after the game like, I don't know,
just was gonna be a pro.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
How about don't pour drinks? Honest?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
How about that novel concept? Go to a football game,
do what you gotta do? Yeah, don't pour drinks on
the players.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You know, take it out on your own team?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Mad because a guy, right, don't pour drinks on this.
But if you're angry, direct not to the guy that
just gassed you. Let's assume it's a beer. Okay, a
beer in an NFL game?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Pricey, right, pricey? That's like, that's not cheap. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
So if you don't want the beer, go to a
place where you can give it to one of the
players and say, here you go, this bud's for you.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
That sort of thing. You could have drove the Cincinnati
and found out where they were going to deliver game
balls around the city. They got all these game balls
ready to pass out because they were waiting.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Wait, what do we imagine a beer in a Carolina
pants Let's assume it was beer. Yeah, I'm assuming that
guy's not pouring a soft drink on Chase Brown.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Game. You're what about eleven bucks? Yeah, i'd probably say
that down there. Yeah, with that group.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Eleven twelve dollars, you're paying for a beer. You're gonna
dump it on a football player. But what are we
what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I like that? Who sponsors out loser of the game?
Well I just made it up. Oh okay, we can
make the twin peaks. There you go.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
If you would like to sponsor on sports bar loser
of the Week MO at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com.
We'll get you on board.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
We had have fun with that. There's plenty of losers
of the week. I bought that official on Saturday Night. Loser,
the rule of ten second runoffs, loser NCI as a
whole loser. There's a lot of losers of the week.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Well, the person who poured the drink on Chase Brown,
you're the main loser, winner of the week, Chase Brown
for not yep, oh winner and a loser of the week. Yeah,
I mean just if you're the person that pours the
drink and the pro football players like all right.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, you got no reaction out of it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
That's worse, right, what's no reaction or coming up and
beating you within an inch of your life?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
And I'm like going back, like I dumped the beer
on Chase Brown? Like what happened? And he just walked away,
Like what's what's this morning at nine o'clock? Like for
that guy?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
And I'm gonna assume, guy, what's this morning at nine o'clock?
Like he did you go to the game yesterday?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah? I guess what I did?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Ye poured a beer on Chase Brown or people like
you're the man. Oh wow, buddy, awesome. Can I go
to a game with you?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Sometimes? No? That probably like, man, you sound like the
loser of the week. Well he is. That news segment
the unsponsored losers opened to your sponsorship.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, let us know, take care of you. It's four
point thirty. We'll do the college football in the last.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Hour year yet as long as I can number ten.
That's right, it's the tenth season. I'm going to bring
that up every week so that someone from the station
listening does something.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I've I've heard that the company has big plans for
us for year ten.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Well, they said something to you on Friday, right, because
I'm we we landed in uh in Lubbock and I'm googling.
I'm like sports bars and eight hundred feet for more
hotel was a Twin Peaks. Yeah, and you went there,
I did. Did they do anything special knowing that we've
been at this Twin Peaks for so long? No?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Okay, I do understand that, Like at the corporate level, Yeah,
some of the folks at iHeartMedia are coming up with
like the most appropriate way to commemorate our tenth season
doing this show, and I really haven't heard what the
specifics are.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Ok.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Eve been a surprise, Yeah, they wanted to be a surprise,
but I've heard rumblings.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I would rather happen earlier than later, Like I don't
want to celebrate our tenthyere doing this the last show
of the year. Yeah, I wanted to like a full
season celebration. And since the season just officially started yesterday,
because the first three games are preseason, let's get it going.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Here, all right, Well, I'll I'll see what I can
find out. It's twenty nine away from five o'clock. It's
the tenth season of the Tony and Mo Football Show
Here at Twin Peaks in Westchester, twenty nine from ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
You've been listening to a football in thenetti on the
official home of the Bengals since ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Since in PN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
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Jeremy Fowler reports that Trey Hendrickson did not suffer any
nerve damage from his injury on Sunday. Bengals called a
stinger yesterday, so that's good news. Cincinnati getting set to

(57:27):
host the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday. Zach Taylor said about
Trey quote, We'll see where the week takes us. Miles
Murphy and McKinley Jackson are both expected to practice this week.
Brad Robbins has been added to the active roster. Bengals
Ravens at one o'clock Sunday live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Pregame covered starts at nine am. Two Monday night football
games tonight. One of them's worth watching Titans and Tyler

(57:52):
Hunley in the Miami Dolphins. That game is going to
air on Fox Sports thirteen to sixty.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
How many games this year will will leve Us be
the better quarterback in the game? He might not be
in this one. Man ain't gonna be many.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Brian Callahan will find coaching Will Levis is different than
coaching Joe Burrow. Yes, Seattle Seahawks and Detroit Lions. And
the other game fifteen ESPN fifteen thirty has that game
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Speaker 3 (58:29):
The Mets are going to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
They win the first game of that doubleheader, a wild
finish eight to seven over Atlanta. The second game is
set to start in twelve minutes, so the Braves blow
that game they were supposed to start Chris Sale in
game two. He has been scratched. Oh so with the
season on the line, they will turn to a guy
who pitched most mostly in relief for them, Grant Holmes.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
That's crazy. You pay Chris Sale a lot of money
for a moment kind of like this.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
One game one sixty two win and we're in and
he gets scratched.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Manikes, that's insane. Yike's not good. I need to find
out as well. You know, we appreciate when people come
out to these shows. Why were so many people eager
to come out last week when the team was zeroing three?
You know they're eager. They're rapping in and out of clapping,
in and out of break Guy Flew in from Hawaii,

(59:18):
bought in. Bengals get their first win. Where are you
at now? I think.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I think people aren't runners. People are fearing that the
other shoe is going to drop on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, I don't. I don't detect.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
That there's a ton of enthusiasm based on beating the
Carolina Panthers alone.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
But that was your point last week, is this is
a this is a game now on the schedule that
is a lose loose, not a lose lose, but it's
not a win lose Like.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yes, you needed to win, but yesterday I was about
avoiding h and four and setting yourself up to start
your season by beating the Baltimore read correct and legitimately
you know they're very slight underdogs at home. That Baltimore
team last night was terrific. I think that's sobering for
a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I sense if it, just if I were to take
the temperature of the fan base and doing some broad
brush stuff here, that most people came away from yesterday's
when shrugging their shoulders and certainly could appreciate the fact
that the offense for the most part, played well. Certainly
can appreciate some of the things the team did to

(01:00:31):
win the football game, but understanding it really only matters
if they win on Sunday. Yeah, I just I have
a hard time believing at one and four. I know,
no one wants to hear this. I have a hard
time believing at one and four. Like the idea behind
this season was to not sneak in or you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Back recircled at our schedule release party, right, we circled
Kansas City. Is the opportunity to grasp home field advantage
early in this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Year and have all sorts of issues and scored just
seventeen points yesterday. But the reality is they are four.
No Baltimore got boat race or Buffalo got boat raced
last night. But they've looked the part for most of
the season. Baltimore feels like it's rounding in the form
a little bit. I think there's just a general sense
of all right, they're one and three. They beat the Panthers,
big deal. The teams were supposed to be in contention

(01:01:20):
with We're not even in the conversation with Yeah, and
that will continue to be the case if they lose
to a Baltimore team that scored thirty five points last
night and hit Josh Allen a bunch. Now, I could
assure you if they win that game on Sunday at home,
I think the CENS is gonna be game on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Here we go. If if yesterday was thirty five to three,
thirty five to seven, is it different? Maybe maybe you
know just the way in which they played, because I'm
and I know we'll dive into the rest of the NFL.
But there are other teams, obviously Jacksonville and Tennessee below
the Bengals, but Cleveland's in a world are hurt right now? Yes,
the New England Patriots, these are teams above the Bengals.

(01:01:56):
The Miami Dolphins are going nowhere Denver. I don't think
it's this. I don't see the Raiders sustainable after that, Chargers, Ravens, Colts,
Okay Jets, Jets seem to have a ton of problems,
and that locker room seems to be a little bit
of a problem. And I just don't see the Stealers
holding on. Yeah, I do think that one. It speaks
to the depth of the AFC. But it's not like

(01:02:19):
outside of Kansas City. It's not like teams are just
sprinting out away from everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
No, and you know, Kansas City now no Rashi Rice.
I mean everybody's reaction to Kansas City losing Rashi Rice
apparently for the season is well, they still got Mahomes
and I understand that he's the best quarterback in the league.
At the same time, it's not only no Rashi Rice,
it's no Isaiah Pacheco for a while, It's no Hollywood Brown,

(01:02:45):
It's it's Travis Kelcey, who played better yesterday, but over
the first three weeks wasn't very productive. Now again, they're
four and at the end of the day, let's say
all that matters is they.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Win with those Saints coming up in Kansas City, and
then they do go to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So, but you talk about the the rest of the
AFC and we'll we'll do a little bit of a
deeper dive on the AFC North team specifically here in
just a second. The Dolphins look like a mess they
play tonight. You know, short and long term questions about
to a Tonga Biloa. I don't think what the Steelers
are doing is sustainable. You got the full Justin Fields
experience yesterday. They did almost win that football game. I

(01:03:20):
am not convinced that they could survive the back end
of their schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
I'm not sold on Indy who who beat them? I'm
not sold on Indy. Breese Hall yesterday had ten carries
for four year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Oh why everybody's like favorite fantasy guy Breese Hall. Yeah,
not very good. I think the Browns are an absolute mess.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
They asked the Jets to throw it forty two times
in the rain. Yeah, that was how bad the running
game was yesterday. But yeah, Browns are a mess. I
don't know what to make of the Chargers yet. I
do think they'll get better as the season goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Though they will get better, there's there's a limit, I think,
to what they can do offensively until they get some
guys for Herbert to throw to and until he gets
to be one. So yeah, you could take some of
comfort in that, but that only goes so far if
you're one in four. Now, right, that conversation changed the
two and three if we could say a lot of
the same things about all those teams. And the Bengals

(01:04:08):
have just beaten Baltimore and it's two straight wins New
York and they've got to the head wind, they'll be
favored against the Giants. They should be I would say,
right now, if things stand where they are with the
Browns right now, favorite in that game against Cleveland, ye
favorite at home against the Eagles, favored against the Raiders,
and then there you go. I think Sunday, I think

(01:04:28):
so much hinges on Sunday, and I think everybody realizes that,
which is why I think the general sense is cool,
you made Sunday's game matter, but you gotta win Sunday
because again, if you're one in four, it's just the
math gets tough, the vibes are hard.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
I don't know, man, But you want to talk about
a team you just mentioned Philly, Ah, what are they
right now? I mean, not a good shape. Nick Sirianni
can't seem to make the right decision they and explicably
don't turn to Saquon Barclay all in the first half. Nope. Now,
I think on the other side of it, I think
Tampa is a is a good team. But you know, NFC,

(01:05:05):
it is a It's a lot of parody right now
in the NFL, due to one how players are playing.
There's a lot of injuries out there. There's a lot
of teams, I mean, San Francisco is very banged up. There.
There are teams that are in there's also teams that
are surprising. One of them playing the Night Seattle. One
of them is Minnesota, Minnesota, Tampa, Washington. The four teams

(01:05:26):
at the top of the NFC right now, Minnesota, Seattle, Tampa, Washington,
Surprises and all those. Yeah, so you know it's it's
the NFL. It's parody. It's the whole any given Sunday,
and that's why you turn to this Sunday and say, Okay,
if you're going to make this run, I said that
last week four and two in the AFC North is
probably the starting point. It's gonna be hard to go

(01:05:50):
five and one if you lose to Baltimore to start
and you lose one of those chances to hold serve
at home.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
People talk about how in September NFL teams don't treat
it like the preseason, but it feels like more. There's
more of a preseason field to it because nobody actually
plays in the preseason. So all right, the first four games,
everybody's trying to figure out who they are. In the
first four games, everybody's sort of trying to establish an
identity here's where our strengths are, all right. That part

(01:06:19):
of the season is over, and where you're supposed to
make your move is October.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
We're in October. The Angles have to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
It only happens if they beat Baltimore. And so again
you come back to like the vibe. I think the
general vibe is it's neat that they beat the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
The game didn't come as easy it should as it
should have. And oh boy, the Ravens just played their
best football game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
And let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
They had a bad quarter against the Cowboys and a
bad quarter against the Las Vegas Raiders. They've been really,
really good in ten of the last twelve quarters.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
They've played right. And that's a team, though, And you
give them credit. We talked to them about them a
couple of weeks ago when the Raiders came from behind
in one like okay, oh and two at Cowboys, Buffalo
and Cincinnati. Man, maybe you could bury the Ravens. And
what they've done is what you expect a team with
that petigree to do. Their backs are against the wall.
They got to what they do best against Dallas. They

(01:07:12):
got back to what they do best last night, and
they've gotten their season back on track. Yeah, that's what
the Bengals are trying to do what Baltimore has essentially
done over the last two thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Away from five o'clock, he's Tony Pike on Moweger. We're
here at Twin Peaks in Westchester, Tony and Mo Football Show.
We're here till six o'clock tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty
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(01:07:43):
Center Boulevard exit. We are here until six o'clock for
just over one more hour.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
This was the part of the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Show where I was going to talk about Eric All
and me being the president of yes of his fan club,
but we already kind of did that. Yes, is he
their best tight end? Yes, the snap distribution yesterday would
reflect as much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I don't. For whatever reason, I just I thought
Giski was going to be so much more so far,
and he just hasn't been. You know, I don't know
if he's not winning the matchups. If you know what
I do think is is telling you know, you start
to look at, you know, targets for me as a quarterback,
who am I comfortable throwing to. He's had one target yesterday.

(01:08:30):
You know, he's had a big drop already on the season.
So I kind of I divvy up the targets as
to not targets like between like Chase and higgeb or two.
But if I'm looking at tight end targets, he's not
getting the lion's share anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Gisiki yesterday played just twenty snaps and it's like Eric
All played thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You know, And I think it was Jeff Hobson during
the Zach Taylor pressure today said, you guys seem more
comfortable in twelve right now. Twelve personnel. You know, that's
when you have two tight ends in the game that
can both be blocking threats. You know, Jesseki what we
talked about all off seasons, like he's a slot receiver.
Well that just hasn't worked from a personnel standpoint right
now for this team, and it feels like they have something.

(01:09:11):
You know, not only we talk about them as pass catchers,
but if we're going to talk about the run game
in the old line and then talk about the guys
in there blocking and Drew Sample and Eric All as well. Yeah,
in that twelve personnel package. Yeah, I just I said
this before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Since they took Tyler Eifert in the first round in twelve,
it feels like they have been on the hunt for
a tight end that they could and they did draft
Drew Sample and he's gotten a second contract. But he's
a blocker, right and occasionally he'll be used as a
pass catcher. I think for a long time they've been
looking for a tight end that could kind of do

(01:09:47):
it all. Yeah, and Tyler Eifert was not a guy
that they were going to ask to do it all.
Unfortunately he was just way too injured, but he was
going to be a pass receiver. I feel like I'm
gonna get too far ahead of myself after four games,
but I I feel like they have a tight end who.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Can do it all. But much for the same reason
we talked about, you know, moving on from mixing and
what both of these backs possess, and we use the
term in football at time, the three down back. Well,
he's a three down tight end. Yeah, you know, he's
not strictly prohibited to first down runs or second y
and he can run, he can catch, and he can
pass block and run block. So you know, three down, guys.

(01:10:23):
That is a luxury in the National Football League because
it allows you to work in ways that you want
your personnel to work against the opposing defense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
All right, we're here for another hour at Twin Peaks
in Westchester. Bengals win yesterday thirty four to twenty four
over the Carolina Panthers. Will continue to break down yesterday's victory.
We'll do a little bit deeper tive on the AFC
North teams, and we'll talk about forty seconds in my
life that I wish man I had back, and I'm
sure Tony does as well, referencing what happened on Saturday

(01:10:53):
night in Love It.

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Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
It's the power hour of the Tony and Mo Football
Show at Twin Peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty.
A bit of an overcast afternoon, but not a gloomy one,
kind of like the win.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Kind of like the win.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
A little bit overcast, not the most sunny victory ever,
but a win nonetheless not raining Bengals Beata. Bengals beat
the Carolina Panthers thirty four to twenty four to win
their first game of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Cincinnati is now one in three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
With the Baltimore Ravens coming to town on Sunday, we
have another hour to discuss that. If you haven't been
a Twin Peaks ice cold beer, terrific food. Did you
get the meat ball skillet and Neil'll like chicken ten
chicken today?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
I got meatball Skillett. We've got TV's for both Monday
night football games. Your boy Jason Kelsey's on TV right now.
We've got Titans Dolphins, We've got Seahawks Lions, and uh.
We've got the baseball tonight with the Braves and Mets
playing the final regular season game of the year. If
Atlanta wins, they are in and uh and so you

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could watch all of this. So you and Tarn Big
Wrestling and Monday. That's Big Wrestling, right, Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Is that on? Is that on the what's that on
the USA? Okay? Now for got moved to a streaming service.
Well here's the thing they just released on the streaming service,
the McMahon documentary on Netflix. It does not paint a
very positive picture for one, Vince McMahon. I am going
to watch this twenty five WW goes to Netflix. Oh.

(01:13:48):
A lot of people are excited because that means, you know,
the old school wrestling coming back where it's not the PG.
It's gonna be like nasty wow. So a lot of
big things happening there. I can't wait. So this game tonight, Yeah,
you know a big opportunity for you. You had a
Mike McDonald ticket that you talked about in Coach of
the Year, Coach of the Year starting off three and

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oh could take a big step toward that. I know
a lot of Seahawks, you know a lot of closet
wrestling fans that are not embarrassed to say they're wrestling fans.
Do you have the same closet wrestling fans? Yes? I
mean my grandma's here tonight. Yeah, and there will be
times like on a Friday night, we'll swing by and
you know, you go in there and wrestling's on. Do
you try to flip the channel real quick? And I'm like,

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you don't have to be ashamed of it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
My grandmother wrestling my grandparents on my dad's side, So
my grandmother, if she was with us, would be one
hundred No, that's not true, ninety six and my grandfather
would be one hundred and four. Yeah, on their first date,
he took her to pro wrestling. Now this is like
in the forties, Yeah, a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Yeah, but yeah, so you don't have to be a
shamed that you're watching wrestling on a Folliday. Nobody's ashamed
of it. I mean you're ashamed of be an wrestling fan. No,
I wouldn't. I mean what you like, what you like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
It's just not my when I was ten years old, Yeah,
I lived and breathed WWF wrestling. Many years later, I
just don't have the same interest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Well, the good thing with we is like they keep
bringing back the same wrestlers, So if you watch then
you'll likely be able to see some of those games.
Any of them still alive could be to the best documentary,
but no where you go?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
But I am looking forward to the documentary. I am
looking forward to Sunday Bengals and Ravens. Why not Us?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Why not us? Yeah? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Well the thing is, though, like the Bengals kind of
lived off that edge in twenty one and twenty two
why not us? And then the next one was gotta
play us? And I get the sense with the cold
water of the zero to three start and the team
kind of having to eat its own words that publicly
at least, Yeah, there's gonna be a little bit less

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of that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
So what does it become? Because you know, from back
to back weeks it was Cam Taylor Britt that didn't
have a problem saying whatever he felt the need to say.
And you know, he made a really nice interception against
Kansas City they lost the game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
He almost had a nice pick, a nice one if
you had to hold before the pick because he got beat.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah, but you know, the the Washington College offense didn't
go over well. You know, I like the confidence of
Jamar Chase saying we're still the team to beat in
the AFC, but when you go zero and three, that
kind of flies out the window. So there has been
maybe a moment for this team where they had to
eat their words a little bit, right, And if you
get to that and you maybe keep things just into

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the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Like Joe Burrow's pregame speech, yeah, which was awesome. Now
I don't know after the last loss he went in
with Zach Taylor. Yeah, I'm not sure what that was
all about, but the pregame speech was awesome. I watched
that and said, great, but he probably can't do that
every week, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
No, you can't go to that every week. But when
you do win, regardless of how it is, it does
add in a little bit of confidence. And now what
you get and Zach Taylor kind of talked talked about
the stadium atmosphere today because now very rarely in the
last couple of years home dogs that hasn't happened a
lot with Joe Burrow as a quarterback of the Cincinnai Bengals.

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So now you have this whole again in the locker room.
Nobody believes and what better opportunity to go out and
show that we are still a team that has a
say in the AFC, because, like you said, if they
go beat Baltimore, then nationally it becomes Bengals might have

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figured some stuff out the Bengals if not, and you're
one and four and all of a sudden, here's Baltimore.
Now three and two, there's Pittsburgh games ahead of you. Mathematically,
with how deep the AFC is, things don't really start
to work in your favor, but you at least get
yourself to the talking point. If you come out as

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a home dog and win with your backs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Against the wall, you join the race, You join the fray.
You're relevant. If you win this game on Sunday at
one and four, call me when you're back to five hundred,
which now you have to take the rest of the
month to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
But I guess for me. Look, I'll acknowledge, and we
have all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
The issues the Bengals have defensively, but the identity of
the Cincinnati Bengals the last four plus years has been offense.
It's been Joe and the weapons. Okay, what did I
see yesterday? I saw Joe and the weapons behind a
terrific offensive line performance. I saw Joe and the weapons
that included a running game that got four point five

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yards of carry. I saw Joe and the weapons behind
running backs who could do something with a checkdown pass.
I saw Joe and the weapons with Jamar Chase taking
one to the house and looking like Jamar Chase that
we have seen before. I saw Joe and the weapons
that included a ten target game for t Higgins. I
saw Joe and the weapons that included four catches for
my favorite player, Eric Ahl. Yes, I got an interception

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from Joe and that's no good. But like the identity
of the Bengals, even if defensively they were better and
we need them to be better, is still the Bengals,
So all right, if you're going this team at least
privately needs to kind of get its swagger back. That
was always gonna happen with the offense. The offensive output

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yesterday and the previous week, to me was good enough
to feel like, look, we don't have to win games
thirteen to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
We don't need shutouts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
We need some degree of competence by the defense, and
if we get it, this offense is going to be
really tough to stop. That in itself is reason to
feel like this season can still be as good as
we all hope.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
And if four games in you're waiting for the shoot
to drop on the defense. It's not going to They're
not gonna be good, not gonna be a good defense. Right,
So you know, and there's also another point that I
like from a player standpoint that I think is important.
And you know, we crushed a couple of weeks ago,
we talked a lot about Scott's Oddifield in this sense.
You know, there's something that you carry yourself with when
you're playing at home, right, and Scotts Saudifield hadn't got

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it done a Nippert outside of the Houston game. And
this season the Bengals have two home losses as more
than a touchdown, famous against the Patriots and the Commanders.
So how do you respond now at home in your building,
not only as a home dog, but if you don't win,
you're ower and three in Cincinnati like that. That's not

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That's not how it's supposed to play out. So there
are so many things at play on Sunday, But the
resounding part of any of this is that if you win,
the narrative is completely changed. And back to man, I
can't wait till they get back on Thursday game. I
can't wait to now a winnable game against the Giants,

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A winnable game against the Browns. All these winnable games
that stack up. Now you start to chomp it a bit. Okay,
Now I can see a path to your point one
and four, and I don't care how optimistic you are,
you know, and there are there are folks out there
that after rowing threes, well it's just you know, three
games in, it's a seventeen game season. That's fine, But
there are historic numbers that people keep track of for

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a reason, and the numbers starting knowing three aren't great. Yeah,
those numbers at one and four not phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Well, at one and four, then Baltimore's three and two,
you're effectively three games behind them, and you still have
to go play them on the road. Yeah, I mean it,
just the football might get better, the math gets tough.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
At two and three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
That tells me the football is better than it was
yesterday and the math is a little bit easier.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Now we played the reds card that we did all season.
We'll just get back to fied win on Thursday, and
you're back to five hundred and when you get there,
who knows what can happen?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Yeah, But the thing is like on Sunday, typically on
a Monday, I will tell you how I feel about
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I don't know what to expect.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Yeah, Baltimore, I think has played better than their record
would indicate.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I Bengals offense the last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Has been terrific. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I want to know more about Trey Hendrickson. I want
to know more about the reinforcements on the defensive line.
But I watched Derek Henry last night and I kept thinking, like, dude,
I'm gonna watch him run for two point fifty on
Sunday against Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Yeah, and on a smaller scale, you know, backs against
the wall. For two games, Baltimore has said, Okay, we're
a run team. We're gonna run the ball, and they
won both For the Bengals when they're backs against the wall,
who do you want the ball in the hands of
number nine? Nothing against them? Not Zack Moss correct, But

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I want the ball on number nine yesterday. So I'm
looking right now and I'm saying, okay, early, look to Baltimore.
How can the Bengals beat this Ravens team. Joe Burrow
plays like MVP caliber Joe Burrow, because when he plays
at that level, they can beat anybody. If it's Joe
Burrow that two or three times in the game, you're saying,

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what but what was that? With this defense? You're not
going to win, you know. And it's again it's hard
because it's not complimentary on defense. It's not Okay, well,
if we're gonna stop the run, that will load the box.
Do you want Cam Taylor Brent on an island right now?
Do you want Dax Hill? They put Dax Hill on
an island against Washington and he got beat a good throw.

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But they put Cam Taylor britt on an island and
he got beat and he was attacked. And I know
Von Bell had to pick, but he hasn't played consistently
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Did what did you make of the comments today Jordan
Battle weird Soumo.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Said, yeah, he yeah, he essentially said that, you know,
the way the season started, we essentially weren't happy with
where he was and he's working to get himself back there,
you know, through training camp and this he was never
you know, DJ Turner and Camp and Dax Hill, in
my opinion, had a battle because as practices went on,
they would swap reps with the ones. From the start

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from day one of camp to the finish, it was
Von Bell and Gino Stone. It wasn't Von Day one
Battle Day two. So here's a guy that was top
fifteen according to Pro Football Focus from safeties in a
tackling role last year. Rookie coming into a second season,
a ton of upside. He's not getting the reps.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Gino Stone's been a little bit of a disappoint.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, you know, I hop four games. You worried a
lot about it because the interception numbers were so high,
and you wonder, okay out outside of those who is he.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
I can remember him making an open field tackle after
like a seven yard game against Washington. Aside from that,
I can't remember one play.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
He was one of those players that I talked about
earlier in the show where I marvel at the lack
of successful angles the defense has taken, especially at safety,
Like you're the last line of defense. You can't take
bad angles, and I'm just not seen it. You know,
you don't want to if they're not making turnovers or interceptions.

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You don't want to notice the safeties. And I feel
like I've noticed them in the wrong way way too
many times.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Nineteen minutes after five o'clock, it's that part of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
We have to discuss what happened on Saturday and Lubbock.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You know, we could be the baseball show a couple
weeks from now will be the basketball show as well,
because you see he's gonna tip offense behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
I cant talk about some of the things it happened
on Friday and Lubbock. See, that would be better. We
can talk about the plant right out there, which I
never want to go through again. Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
We've talked wrestling. This could be any show that you
want to really can be. Doesn't have to be pigeonholed.
For the most part, it's a football show and it
will be when we come back. I got to step
out for.

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Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Let's take a look at Joe Burrow's passing stats from
yesterday's game. They are brought to you by Jake Sweeney
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a few day For Joe Burrow, twenty two of thirty
one for two thirty two, a couple of touchdowns. He
did have that interception. His passer rating yesterday one hundred

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point five, perhaps most glaring. For the fourth time in
his career he played a full game, or for the
third time in his career, he played a full game
without getting sacked.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Man, Now what we gotta do you see in uh Lubbock? Yeah,
before we even dived a Saturday night. Can I thank
the flight crew from Friday? Like, and this is this
is honest, because the devast like seeing scenes in North
Carolina and everything you obviously you your thoughts are out,

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but like we're inching up on two o'clock and by
all the accounts I'm reading as I'm following along, like
the bad stuff is supposed to hit at two o'clock
so much like i'd landed. There are two trees down
in my backyard, like not small trees, like trees that
were uprooted. The weather was terrible, and the plane was
like shaking, yeah, on the runway, not moving. We're like
moving back and forth, and I'm like, and then the

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pilot at one point gets on the speed and he says,
if you could hurry up and get to your seats
and get settled, we're gonna take off a little early.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
We're gonna give it a try. Yeah, And I said,
give it a try, like we can. It's an eight
o'clock game. We can choose to just scrap this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
And fly out tomorrow morning. We're gonna give it a try,
and then like lead with the first forty five minutes
to an hour are gonna be bad. Yeah, we're gonna
try it, not knowing you know what these wins are doing. Nah,
not for me. Thankfully we made it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Yeah, and uh so you you guys for those who
don't know, you see, flew to Lubbock, and they chartered
two flights for reasons that are not important. So I
think our flight left about an hour after yours. So
I think our flight was the last to leave CBG. Yeah,
before they shut it down for a while, and they

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made the exact same announcement. Paul I was sitting toward
the front of the plane and one of the flight
attendants sits in her chair that faces everybody, and I
just read the look on her face. This is somebody
who flies all the time. Yeah, this is somebody who's
used to turbulence, used to bad weather. And she had
this look on her face, like like Joe Burrow did

(01:28:19):
playing behind that twenty one offensive line, like I mean,
and I just kind of kept looking at her, going, you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Know, she's not gonna be something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
She's not exactly putting on a brave front, and god,
I love her, very professional, very nice. But I took
my cue from her and Mike cue was there's reason
for panic here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Yeah. And then someone said we're.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Gonna get to Little Rock and then it's gonna be okay,
and I'm like, well, how far is Little Rock even
an hour and a half away?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Yeah, okay, that's when we're in the clear. Awesome? Thanks good, No,
I'm good, and I so the guy sitting next to me.
We finally get through the It was bumpy, but the
first fifteen minutes. I've never experienced anything like it. And
I looked to him after we got through that first
initial wave and I said, I apologize. I don't remember

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anything we were just talking about because like I was
just nervously trying to talk, I think, to get my
mind off stuff. And I don't know if I was
coherent in anything. I was saying, yeah, yeah, it wasn't great,
but we made it. We didn't make again Saturday. For
some of the game was fun. It was a heck
of a game. Yeah, for both of us, our first
trip to Lubbock. That is a cool place to see

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a game. It's a cool place except for the tortillas
being thrown. It to the dumbest thing I've ever seen,
the tortilla thing for those that don't know, and Mo,
you explained it during the game, which, by the way,
MO did an excellent job fill it in for Dan Or.
I would not go with excellent, but I was told
as we came out of the locker room and like
you come out and it's like, Okay, this is Texas.

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This is a big time football state. And they got
the light shows and it's loud, and I mean it's
it was awesome. From that standpoint, and someone says before
the game, get ready for the tortilla. I'm like, and
they're like, they throw tortillas. I'm like, all right, So
the first kickoff, and I'm not talking about like fifty tortillas,

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I'm talking hundreds are thrown from the stands onto the
field and onto the side, like so much so that
they have personnel in place to run on the field,
grab all the tortillas quick and move back. So it happens,
and I'm like, sweet, Like, wasn't really cool, but if
that's your thing. Yeah, And they do an announced before
the game where the head coaches on the jumbo like,
don't throw tortillas, and I'm like, well, that doesn't help.

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And then the second kickoff happens and I get hit
with the tortilla and I turned and here comes hundreds more,
and I'm like, what are we doing? It was forty
four to forty one, and after every kickoff they threw tortillas. Yeah,
and they're like, well, anything thrown on the field, it
could result in a penalty. They didn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
No. It was one of the dumbest things I've ever said.
There were times where like the play was on one
end of the field. Yeah, and if you looked at
the other end, they were cleaning up tortillas, yes field,
and then people were like to wat them up and
see how far out they could get them onto the field.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
This is insane.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
So I looked up because I knew about the tradition,
but it never occurred to me to find out where
it came from. And I thought, well, for the broadcast,
I should look it up. And there's two conflicting stories. Yeah,
there's one that says that Texas Tech games they used
to sell like drinks, fountain drinks with lids on them,
and when people would get their drinks before the game,

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they would take off the lids and then fling them
onto the field. And then there's a conflicting story that
says they played a game in the early nineties and
I guess leading up to the game, some ESPN announcers
said there's nothing in Tech, there's nothing in Lubbock except
Texas Tech and a tortilla factory. So as a response
to that, they brought tortillas and threw them on the
field at I just don't know, how can you bring

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that many? Yeah, I mean there was a lot of kickoffs. Yeah, yeah,
the game itself. With one minute and fifty three seconds
to go, the Bearcats got the football at their own
ten yard line, trailing by three.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yeah, at that point, did you think they would win
the game? Yes? I actually did. I did too. The momentum,
it just felt like it was all on UC side
and the drive itself. I don't know if I've ever
seen a drive like that where multiple times you have
ten second runoffs, you know, multiple times you lose twelve

(01:32:21):
to fifteen seconds because you have a player get hurt,
you know, I guess for me. Leading up to the drive,
they did so many good things. They were down to
their fifth running back at a point, multiple injuries, receiver,
they were shorthanded receiver going into the game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Became shorthanded on at nose tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Yeah, shor nose tackle. On the defensive side of the ball.
The defense was getting gashed, and I thought there were
multiple times that maybe last year's Bearcats would just kind
of roll over and say, okay, we're done. And to
their credit, they fought and they scratched and they clawed,
and Brendan Sorosby showed a ton to me of toughness
and what he can be a sensing on to the

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sixtilli six. He's dealing with the thumb issue that he's
they're trying to. I mean, he spent ten minutes trying
to physically put a glove on. He was in so
much pain. And to get out of all that and
have a chance going into that last drive was remarkable.
But yes, to answer your question, I felt at the
time they were gonna go down and score and win
the game. So you mentioned the runoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
They got the ball with one fifty three to go,
They threw a pass that was complete to Xavier Henderson,
they lost a yard. Uh, he had to be tended to. Yeah,
so because of that ten second runoff. Okay, Then they
had a play where Brendan Soresby gives himself up, yes,
and he slides and he slid a little late, yes,

(01:33:42):
and two Texas Tech defenders hit him almost simultaneously. He
stands up and he's looking for a flag. Then they
throw one and the initial call is targeting. So let's
start with that first of all, do you feel like
targeting the targeting call? They for those who don't know,
they ended up picking up the flag. And then we're

(01:34:02):
talking about the run off here in a second, they
pick up the flag and they say, actually, no targeting.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Do you think that was targeting? I do, because I
thought he left his feet and lunged with his helmet first. Yeah,
that'swarts it. Now, his helmet didn't make contact with swords,
butter shoulder pad did. But by the rule, it doesn't
have to be helmet helmet. It's the action right in
which you are targeting. And I thought it was one
of those situations where it's okay, that was called on

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the field, you can't overturn it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
So I went back and forth on the broadcast and
my angle wasn't great. My first thought was that's targeting,
and then because they didn't see contact and the replay
angle was weird, I thought, okay, I get it, and
then getting a chance to look at it right after
the game, I don't think you picked that flag up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Yeah, I don't don't think you can. And here, so
here's the issue. If it's not a targeting, then it's
one hundred percent unnecessary roughness because he gave himself because
he gave himself up. So I'm staying next very close
to satterfield because I'm here. Come the reps and I'm
trying to get his reaction and the ref is talking
to him, and then sat just loses his mind, and

(01:35:11):
so I ask after the game, I say, well, what
was the conversation is? You know, well, they didn't deem
it as targeting, and so coach says, okay, well what
about unnecessary roughness? And he said, we can't go back
and call that. We didn't call it that on the field,
so essentially saying we should have called it, but we didn't.
Now we can't do anything about it. We missed two calls,
and so obviously frustrated, and his words to coach were, oh,

(01:35:35):
by the way, that comes with a ten second runoff, right,
So the mistake of the officials ends up as a
debilitating mistake for the bear Cats. So ten second run
off to Xavier Henderson, ten second runoff now on the
swordsby play, and a couple plucks later, another injury happens,

(01:35:55):
and it's like, I don't blame the player for being
off the field, many covey, many covey, because if you
go down it's another automatic ten second runoff. And he
was so close to the sideline that ain't just natural,
Like the thought took in of get in there, get
over there. Yeah, like I don't want to slow this down.
We got something good going and by doing that, and

(01:36:17):
it is the rule because you see exploits the heck
out of it. Sure, I mean you see will essentially
walk off the field. But you're sitting there without a
timeout as Texas Tech is slowly walking off the field,
and you can't do anything. You can't snap you, you
can't kill it. And it went quickly from you know, man,
they can go down and score two, all right, they

(01:36:37):
just gotta get in a field goal range. Yeah. So
the two issues there with many Covey.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
First of all, he came off the field limping after
a run play, and I think it's fair to ask, Okay,
in that situation, they were at the Texas Tech forty
three right, it didn't have a time out, why are
you calling a run play?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Yeah, so I think, and from.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
A you are right about the runoffs that killed him.
You're we can talk about the penalties, but strategically forty
three yard line, they have the ball at Texas Tech territory.
They've got no timeouts left. Yeah, why are you keeping
the ball on the ground? So I think I didn't
ask him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
But I think my thought process would be, because of
how the time was going, you're probably trying to gash
one and hopefully maybe have a couple of shots. If not,
you're gonna kick it anyway. Because the thought behind that is, Okay,
here are the defensive ends thinking what pass one hundred percent?
So maybe you get them pinning their ears back, they

(01:37:38):
collapse in and they're so far upfield that as a
tackle you can kind of push and get to the
second level. The problem is it just wasn't blocked that well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
You did gain five, gain five, but you need it
if you're calling that, Yeah, you're thinking ten to fifteen
to twenty a gash play like that because on one
end you have the secondary that's doing what back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Get up the field. It's kind of the perfect storm.
They just they didn't execute it as well as they should.
And then you turn around and say, man, then you
lost even more time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
So from the form when the ball was snapped on
that run to when the ball was snapped on the
next play nineteen seconds, so let's call it fifteen in between.
You got the ball with one hundred and thirteen seconds
to go in the game. You ended up losing thirty
five of those seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
You lost basically a third of the seconds you had
at your disposal, and then Nathan Hawk's kick ends up
being no good and so both halves end with a
mixed kick. And then you come back to the end
of the first half. They played really well, led fourteen
to three, and toward the end of the first half,
and Jim and I talked about this on the postgame show.
You're up seven, but you get a stop, maybe you
could score again, and you get the ball to start

(01:38:50):
the second half. Instead, you go in tied and then
you fumble it away in your first possession of the
second half. That to me, on top of the last drive,
that's where the game was effectively lost.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
That was the hard thing. You know, it's one thing,
and you know, I don't at halftime. I walk up
with the team and I just kind of hang right
outside of the locker because I'm just trying to feel
vibes and conversations. And even though the game was tied,
you felt like they were losing at halftime, and you've
got coaches that are doing what they can to try
to pick the players back up, and there's even code

(01:39:22):
like man, you know, so it is it's human nature
because here you go and you feel like you ran
pretty much what to perfection what you wanted to do,
and it wasn't like at the gun, you're hitting a
trying to hit a fifty eight yarder. You know, it's
a very makeable kick by a kicker who's been really
good for the Cincinnati Bearcats. And to miss that and

(01:39:43):
to go in tide and then on the other end, okay, tied.
Now what did the focus become in the locker with
the second half? First drive? Let's go get points and
we're right back where we need to be and then
you fumble and it's like But to their credit, that's
why I said, there were multiple times where it feel
it felt like it could get away, crowds going nuts environment,

(01:40:04):
and they weathered the storm each and every time. And
I hate saying anything along the lines if you can
take something away from a loss because of the fact
of the matters you lost. But for a team that
probably does not have college football playoff aspirations, the aspirations
that get the six or seven wins and build off that,
I think there's a lot of positives that you can
take from Saturday Night a loving.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Now what I want to know is what's the status
of Corey Kiner, Evan Pryor, Tyron Smith and Aaron Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Yeah, I don't know, no one. No one has ever
been like, Man, what a terrible time for a bye week.
The conversation as always, Man, bye week, then come at
a better time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
You get back at five am, and then you got
to figure out who's healthy. So it's a good thing.
There's not a game.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
It does feel like the bye week came at the
perfect time. Now, you know. With that being said, I
said this earlier today, you know, Austin asked me, do
you still feel bullish the way you've felt about this
team all along? Part of me feels better because I
know what the offense can be and I think Soorsby
is a legitimate, legitimate twelve quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
TODs Brooks that Texas Tech running back we.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Knew and it's a really good running back. But now
I turn and I say, Okay, here's a UCF team
after the bye who was a fourteen point favorite and
got boat raced by Colorado. UCF is now my swing game. Yes,
agree heat UCF, and I feel just as strong as
I did lose the UCF and you start this as
it is it slipping away again.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Well, and we talk about you know, math again because
then you're three and three. If the idea is get
to six, call it a successful year. Then with the
back end of that schedule it gets to be ye
kind of tough. Everything sort of swings back to the
Pittsburgh game though. Yeah, it's an easier loss to absorb
on Saturday. If they don't blow the twenty one two miss.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
They're two miss field goals in a quarter away from undefeated. Yep,
you could say that about anything. But sure, you know
every week, I when when the Bearcats lose, I am scared.
I hate doing this segment. But then once we do it,
it feel better. It's almost like therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Yeah, I'll say this, you know, I know that the
game of the night was Georgia Alabama, but as a
big twelve that looked and felt like a big twelve
football game. Great atmosphere, cool stadium. It was Texas Tech
great no, as you see great, No, but that felt
like a big twelve football game that the Bearcats fit

(01:42:14):
in in.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yep, And I didn't say that last year.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
We got to get to a break eighteen from six
Tony and Moe Football Show at Twin Peaks in Westchester
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
You've been listening to football in Thenetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
We only have a couple more minutes here at Tonia
Moo Football Show. We did a college football segment.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
We did not mention Mark Stoops Kentucky Wildcats going on
the road against Old Miss and beating the Rebels. Beating
the Rebels that weird team vote raced by South Carolina
at Georgia on the ropes. Stoops coached a terrible game
and they went on the road and Stoops coach is
an awesome game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Is that the best win in their football history? I've
seen people suggest it is. Yeah. I mean from a
frank people are talking about Old Miss is a championship
can and if you back it up with how the
defense played against Georgia, you gotta feel good about that side.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Of the two really good drives, they were terrific against
the runs. So more from Mark Stoops in the game
late in the game. Yeah, So more from Mark Stoops
coming up at six o'clock. By the way, one quick
baseball note, our friend Gordon Wittmyer The Inquirer writes that
you can cross these names off the Reds managerial list,
Joe Miguel, Cairo, Scott Service, and Barry Lark.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Joe Maddon, Joe Man. But he's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I'd become a fan of another team if they hired
Joe fun Yeah, he might be I'd switch.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
I put myself up for bid. Is it skip Schumacher
or bust right now?

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Yeah, kind of feels like it coming off that robust
one hundred lost season with.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
The Marlins fault? Does he generate the excitement for the club?

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
I think better players would generate excitement for the club.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
I mean, the Model have a lot of young talent.
I don't want to generate.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Miss GiB Schumacher might be the best guy, but I'm
not interested in generating excitement. But there are a lot
of folks who follow that club in Miami very closely.
He believe he is a really good manager, and so
sign me up for him as a candidate. By the way,
the baseball game, so the Braves had to scratch Chris
saal All. Garrett Holmes has done is throw four no

(01:44:23):
hit innings and struck out seven guys, and the Braves
lead the Mets seven to nothing. And New York is
playing most of its main guys. There are a lot
of its main guys, not most some of their main guys.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Poor Arizona crazy to see like Royals Tigers in the playoffs.
Kind of fun can be done? Huh, sure can. Here's
what else can be done? Join us?

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
Excuse me, you get choked up. I'm thinking about it.
We're gonna be at Twin Peaks in Florence next week.
We're back here in Westchester.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
That will be after the Cleveland the Cleveland game, Yeah right,
we'll be back here in the Red or the Bengals
will be four and three.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Well okay, I was gonna ask when we come back here,
what will the Bengals record be?

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Three and four? Three and four? Is that acceptable? Nope,
but we'll make it. We'll sell it, talk ourselves in,
we'll sell it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Thanks to the staff here at Twin Peaks, thanks to
our guy Mike Mills for producing on site, and our
man Tearin Back and Kenis Tony's back for Sincy three
sixty tomorrow at noon. I am I'll be on from
another establishment tomorrow at three oh five. Have a great night,
thank you for listening to Markstube show is next on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
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