The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel -- 8/10/26

Chad Brendel fills in for Mo Egger to talk all things Cincy Sports

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Boh blah blah, here we go my Leggers show, not
my leger.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you for choosing me, Teraren. I think Boomba Cloud
is more Jamaican, yes, than Bohemian, but I don't I
don't know any Bohemian like sayings. The accent sounds pretty
similar from you know, talking to the folk at Grand
Hi at Baha Mar week. But on backstate side, it's

(01:07):
kind of depressing. It's nice, you know, waking up with
an option to go to the beach or go to
a pool, maybe go to the breakfast bar and get
some breakfast, then go watch some basketball, then go have
a really good dinner and hang out in the casino
or maybe the cigar bar. This is a tough week, Tarran.

(01:30):
It was a tough week, like a fun week. Oh
it was great, it was awesome. But I'm back now.
I they thank you. They asked me to do three
sixty on Friday, Terran, I'm like, guys, if it didn't
happen on this island over the past week, I have

(01:51):
no idea what's happening. I couldn't have talked to Bengals
or Reds if I wanted to Friday at noon. But
I'm up to speed now, Sten standing now, yeah, like
you know, I trust me. If the option was like
go hang out at the pool or follow updates from

(02:12):
Bengals training camp, I was not following updates from Bengals training. Sorry.
A man's got to have priorities, Teren. You gotta have
some kind of code, and that code is not sitting
on your phone getting updates.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, being depressed watching the Ridge.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Why would I want to do that. Look, there's gonna
be plenty of being depressed about the Reds the rest
of the way, Karen, Have you looked at the schedule
the rest of the way.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I just know what the month of September has in store.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, I don't think people looked enough at the month
of August. The end of the month of August, White
Sox very good, Marlin's good. Cardinals, I don't know good
they are, but they're better than the Reds, Diamondbacks better
than the Reds, Giants, bad Cubs, better than the Reds.

(03:11):
Padres better than the Reds. That's the rest of August,
taking us into the end of that Padre series. Then Brewers, Dodgers, Brewers, Dodgers, Cubs, Braves,
Blue Jays two ended out. Hunter Green's done. We're not
going to see Hunter Green again this year. Chase Burns

(03:36):
looks like he's slowing down a little bit now. I
think there's a bit of an overreaction to his start
on Saturday, because he was really good through five innings
and then they got to him. The Nationals got to
him a little bit in the sixth. The Nationals are
one of the best hitting teams in baseball. You look

(03:57):
at average and home runs and RBIs like the Nationals
can really hit. The concerning part about this weekend wasn't
that the Nationals got to the pitching a little bit,
is that they have one of the worst pitching staffs
in baseball. And the Reds got outscored twenty to six.

(04:20):
And that was was scoring three runs on the first night,
lose five to three on Friday, eight to two on Saturday,
seven to one on Sunday, fourteen run differential in that
series against the Nationals. And if we are to extrapolate that,

(04:43):
because this season the baseball can be weird, sometimes there
have been those seasons where, like the Reds are really
good against the good teams. Was that two years ago Tarren,
where it felt like their record against the good teams
was outstanding, swept the Yankees, like they went and they

(05:03):
played the good teams really well, and then when they
played the not so good teams, they look like they
forgot how to play baseball. They played to the level
of their competition. This year, it's felt pretty obvious, like
when you're watching a team that's better than the Reds,
you know it almost immediately. And when you look over that,

(05:27):
who are the bad teams that the Reds play Between
now and the end of the season. They have a
series with the Giants, who else, I guess Toronto the
last three games of the year. Other than that, forty

(05:53):
four games if my count is correct, there are forty
four games remaining for the Reds. They play six games
really against teams that are, you know, somewhat in their league.

(06:15):
The Cardinals are you know what, two and a half
games ahead of the Reds, So I guess you could
put the Cardinals in a similar stratosphere. But the Brewers
are much better than the Reds. The Cubs are much
better than the Reds. The Braves, the Marlins, the Padres,
the Diamondbacks, the White Sox, the Dodgers, the Reds are

(06:43):
sitting at right now fifty six and sixty one. What's
the number of games that they win the rest of
the How many of these forty four do they win?
Because right like to get to five hundred, they're gonna

(07:03):
have to be pretty good over this stretch. What have
they shown us that makes you think this is a
team that's going to sniff five hundred much less? How
bad does it get? How many losses do we see

(07:25):
the rest of the way. I could see twenty nine losses.
I could see this being a ninety loss team. And
you want to talk about just shattering the image that
this is a franchise that has a good core and
is close. I think it's gonna get to add I

(07:51):
genuinely do. And I you know, the fans are just
supposed to sit through it for these next you know,
for this next month and a half, for these next
six weeks.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Well, no, because we have football comings.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
So I know, I mean, everybody's pretty much tuned out.
Let's not fool ourselves on the rets. You are a
sick individual if you are doing this every night, putting
yourself through this every night with a with a continued
level of care and concern. Some people are just sports

(08:31):
junkies and they're going to have sports on I get that,
but there's I don't know how there could be any
of the emotional investment left, at least in this season.
And again that's dangerous for a lot of reasons, mainly
the reason that now you're selling your own packages for television,

(08:57):
you're making your own like you're you're determinate. Your success
or failure is going to play a big role in
how much money you make. Why would you pay one
hundred dollars for this? And maybe they got a bunch
of people in April twenty and eleven feeling good, everybody

(09:21):
buy the package. How different is that going to be
next year? If there is a next year, there's probably
not going to be a next year. That's enough Reds
for a while. We'll get back to Reds later in
the show, at least by five thirty. Terran klays Nooden
from Just Baseball joins us at five point thirty. Depending

(09:43):
on how this show goes, it might be the next
time we talk about the it's certainly not going to
be for the remainder of this hour or hour number
two because there's there's other much more important stuff to
talk about that people actually care about, that being the Bengals.
Feels like I have not been down to camp. I

(10:03):
obviously have been in and out of town and getting
back into the groove of camp for the Bearcats, but
done a lot of reading, done a lot of listening,
listening to podcasts of Mo and Tony and you know
people that are on the Bengals beat and reading all
the good stuff that's out there, Paul Dayner Junior and

(10:26):
the athletic crew, Jay Morrison. It feels like, so far
this is exactly what you would have wanted. From camp
to the start of camp. The offense is having their moments.
Joe Burrow looks good, he's connecting with Jamar, he's connecting

(10:47):
with t Joe Flacco is going out there and giving you,
you know, that security blanket, playing well as the backup quarterback.
But then on the flip side, the defense is getting stops,
and it's getting stops because their strategy for the offseason,
at least in practice, is working. We want different body types,

(11:13):
we want different strengths, different skill sets, but we are
building the front seven of this defense to get after
the passer that obviously starts with Dexter Lawrence. And I
don't think it can be overstated when you watch these
clips from practice, how much different it makes your defense

(11:34):
if you have somebody that can disrupt the pocket, buy themselves,
single team, double team, triple team, whatever it is. It
feels like Dexter Lawrence is going to familiarize himself with
the quarterback from the middle of the pocket, over and
over and over again. And it's been a while. Win's

(11:58):
really the last guy the Bengals had at nose tackle
that could really disrupt the pocket for a passer, and
that's Dexter Lawrence. And now all of a sudden, the
interior of that offensive line is worried about one guy,

(12:21):
and that opens up your three technique, it opens up
your two rush ends because there's not going to be
a lot of help. And then you have a guy
like Brian Cook over the top keeping everything in front,
talking trast to Jamar Chase like that's that's what you've

(12:42):
wanted to see. Competent defense, competent production, go out there
and do it on a regular basis, and now all
of a sudden, you've got something to compliment Joe Burrow
in that offense, and it's the perfect contrast as to
why the Bengals are in such a better place than

(13:03):
the Reds just those two conversations, because the Bengals feel
like they are in reach of a championship. The Bengals
feel like they have put together a corps that can
win them a super Bowl, and the Reds feel like
we have put together a group that we can cost

(13:24):
control and do our best to get to five hundred
so that we can sell as many seats as we
can possibly sell. One gives you a lot of hope,
the other not so much. We're also going to get
to a bunch of Bearcat's talk here in this first hour.

(13:45):
Second hour, a lot of Bengals, third hour, hopefully some
more Bengals, and then maybe a little Reds to close
it out. King and nickoson coming up here in about
fifteen minutes. Clay Noten from Just base Ball at five thirty,
Tony Pike towards the end of every hour with a

(14:06):
camp report. So we've got a lot to get to, Taren,
Let's get to it more after this my leg or show.
Since Anty's ESPN thirteen thirty.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
From the.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Keep mixing ruffo to that.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
Keeps that grown man from blowy Land and shoulders.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Gotta wave winning before I get a wave of yours, because.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I haven't heard this one one.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
I believe it or not.

Speaker 8 (14:58):
Shoot gifts like your mom, skills and gills.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Let's get to it. Like I said, we'll hit the
Bengals hard in our number two. No guests scheduled in
our number two, so that gives us plenty of time
talk some Bengals. Talk to Tony before we get to
Brennaman and Jones on baseball. Let's stick with the Bearcats
here in our number one, fresh off the Bahamas trip,

(15:22):
getting to see Jared Calhoun and what his vision, his
version of Cincinnati basketball is going to look like going forward.
And look, make no mistake, the Canadian teams that they
played were not good. The Bearcats very easily had their

(15:44):
way with both Victoria and Calgary, and they should have.
Like the Canadian teams are on the equivalent of like
one of the lower majors, So you're playing a team

(16:05):
that generally has one or two guys that can play
a little bit, but they don't have the size they
don't have the length, they don't have the depth. They're
going to rely heavily on shooting a bunch of three
pointers and if they go in, it'll look respectable. If
they don't go in, it's going to be fifty. And

(16:26):
that's how it looked. But it was an exciting brand
of basketball. It was an exciting brand of offense. It
was a style of offense that hasn't you know, even
Huggins style. It wasn't as passing centric as this, but

(16:48):
they did move the ball well. And actually, if you
go back and you look at adjusted like analytics for
those Eras Huggins teams ran good offense. It was not
rock fight basketball. Some of that was also because they
were very, very very talented. Mick ran more of an

(17:11):
NBA like feature get a Star, feature your Star system,
a lot of two man game, a lot of isolation,
a lot of Deontay Vaughn and Sean Kilpatrick and Troy
Copaine and Jacob Evans and Jared Cumberland, like, hey, here's
the ball, go get us a bucket. They were not

(17:35):
analytically efficient offensively. I think John Brandon's teams could have
got there, but for a million reasons that ended up
not working out. Wes Miller's teams again, teams that just weren't.
They tried to beat you via the dribble. And if
you're trying to beat a good defense via the dribble,

(17:58):
I mean, you better be making most of your shots
because there's not gonna be much room for error because
you're not gonna have an advantage on the defense unless
you've got NBA guys. And Bobby Miller was the only
NBA guy really that Wes Miller had. And that brings

(18:18):
us to the contrast with the football team in Scott's Soiderfield.
This is a massive year for Ciderfield. I don't know
what the line of delineation is here. It feels like
make a bowl game. He's probably safe. Miss a bowl game.
Things are going to get interesting. That compared to the excitement,

(18:47):
which I mean, remember now we're doing these exhibition games,
and sure exhibition games don't mean anything, but October seventh.
October seventh, you see plays a basketball game with fans
in attendance. They play three before the start of November.

(19:08):
The Scott's Adderfield's football team does not have a hot start.
It's gonna be hard to keep people's attention. It's gonna
be hard to keep people from not looking towards November
and the start of basketball season. And as we talked
about with Wes Miller, is that season got down the
stretch run. If you lose the fan base, it's very

(19:31):
hard for an athletic director to not make a change.
It's an important season for Scott's adderfield. They've got to
get to minimum six or seven wins. Anything under that, Boy,
my life is not gonna be fun. From September to December.

(19:58):
Campus underway. Let's take a break. Keegan Nickoson has been
at every practice. We'll talk to him right after this.
Since at he's ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
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Speaker 3 (20:25):
Our number one rolling along. While I was toes in
the sand, having a Maye tie and enjoying the beautiful
Island weather, Keegan Nickoson was at football practice and bringing
you coverage on Bearcat Journal dot com. And I figured

(20:49):
it would be wise he's been at all the practices
to have him in and get some uh some conversation
on the Bearcats. Kegan, how are you how's the sun like,
what's the condition's been like for you this past week.

Speaker 10 (21:06):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 11 (21:07):
I didn't get to hang out on the beach with
the entire Cincinnati basketball team and coaching staff, but I
did get to watch J. C. French sling it in
ninety degree humidity at Network Stadium on turf at maybe
the fifteen degrees podder, and I think that's just as good.
So I can't really complain.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's probably just as good. Yeah, it's probably probably just
as good. What have you seen in the first four
days of camp and what do you think has been
the impetus behind what sounds like the defense really getting
off to a strong start.

Speaker 11 (21:47):
Yeah, I think that's the name of the game. From
what we've been seeing is the early returns on the
defensive scheme change and all the portal players that they
brought that they brought in this past offset. Than I
was saying, the star of it has so far has
been KK Meyer or not kk Meyer. Kenny Worthy mixed
it up a cornerback out of Washington State, Arizona native

(22:11):
who jokingly said that he thinks that the humidity is
easier to train in than the one hundred and fifteen
degree dry heat that he goes through in Arizona, which
I agreed with, but I think he's had an interception
each practice. He loves to talk, he loves the competition
and the aggressiveness, and I think that he could very

(22:32):
well be the best corner that since that he has
had in the Scott Sadderfield era. I think we all
expected Matthew McDoom to be that, but he wasn't really
able to match the cornerback skills and a tangibles with
the elite speed that he had.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
That was kind of what.

Speaker 11 (22:50):
He thought would carry him through a big twelve season,
but it ended up hurting him a good amount. Started
with the passing appearance calls and all that kind of stuff,
and then there's been so some great stuff the from
the defensive line, especially from Marcos Parker, who I think
you and you both expect to have a huge season,
has basically Sincinnati's best pass rusher. He's been talking to

(23:12):
me kind of sarcastically downplaying expectations, like, hey, defensive.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
Line hasn't been good since my Jay.

Speaker 11 (23:19):
That's that's what we're just gonna keep on saying, and
that's what we're gonna keep on believing, keep learning the expectations.
But I really think that kid could could have a great,
great year, and based off his personality and how he
treats the media and how he treats us, I really
hope he does because I think he deserves it.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Big loss on day one of camp with Ty Goodwill
going down with a season ending achilles injury. How how
big of a loss is that for Cincinnati has day two.
I think by the way I lost traffic days I
was in the Bahamas.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
I don't know if you.

Speaker 11 (23:54):
Heard, yeah, I'll take care of the schedule.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
That's okay.

Speaker 11 (23:59):
If I had happened in spring, I would have had
a much more visceral reaction to it, because everything that
I was told coming out of the portal is that
he was going to be one of the better defensive players.
And I don't want to say that he isn't good
by any means, But when you look out at the
first team reps during fall camp, it's m J. Cannon
and Jasper Baler at safety. Nevertheless, losing a solid, experienced

(24:24):
depth piece that they probably invested a decent amount of
money into is never good. Now you're looking at two
younger guys and CJ.

Speaker 10 (24:35):
Kright and CJ.

Speaker 11 (24:36):
Jones, you're possibly taking depth out of your cornerback room.
As Scott Sadisford said that KK meers a candidate to
get some reps at safety given the Goodwill will miss
the rest of the season. So it's definitely not good.
You definitely want Goodwill out there. I just want to
be clear that I don't think that he was going
to be the impact player based off what I saw

(24:59):
in fault camp that I thought that he would have
been in the spring. But the length, the aggressiveness at
the ball that he showed at South Alabama as a ballhawk,
I think it really spoke to his ceiling. And you
also never know how those first three or four weeks
of the season could look. We've seen guys go out
there and start and then it's clear that they don't

(25:20):
really have it, and then that backup really brings it.
And I think you can look at Jonathan Thompson as
a guy who did that throughout his career at you
see so SO three. I don't know how the five
for five exactly works. I don't think that this is
a medical red shirt situation kind of just so did
he Burns a year.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Miss that ended August first, so he's like three days later. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So like Flynn Shiley, the wide receiver from the Colorado
School of Mines, he had a second knee surgery that
happened before the end of July, so they were able
to apply for a medical hardship for Flynn, But because
Goodwill happened after August first, it's he just loses a year.

Speaker 11 (26:08):
Yeah, which I mean, I guess it's kind of the
same situation as if you had just red shirted and
the old system, because you get that extra fifth year.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
But obviously.

Speaker 11 (26:19):
There hasn't been an official diagnosis, but from what I saw,
it looked like in Achilles that's obviously never break to
come back come, So I hopefully it doesn't impact his
FORER long term.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be interesting to keep
an eye on and see how it plays out. But offensively,
I think it's fair to say the run game as
much as you can tell about the run game in camp,
the run game has been solid. The short passing game
has been pretty effective, but pushing the ball down the

(26:53):
field so far Kegan has not been a regular feature
of this offense. Are you concerned about the passing game
yet or are you looking at it and saying, we're
four days into camp, there's still a long way to go.

Speaker 11 (27:11):
I'm not I'm really concerned. I think it's the four
days into camp we still have a long way to
go mindset. So I'm going to hold my official judgments
on what I think that they're going to do this
season until that last week of camp. But what I'm
basically doing at this point is I'm comparing what last
year's fall camp looks like in terms of explosiveness offensively,

(27:33):
and I just think it is basically night and day
based off what the quarterback was based off through the
receivers were. I think one thing I very foolishly did
is heard a lot about Isaiah Johnson and I thought, oh, Okay,
he'll just kind of slide into that Cyrus Allen roll
and then they'll just keep it rolling. But then you
look at Cyrus Allen and fall camp with the Chiefs

(27:55):
and it's like, oh wait, that kid might have just
been really special. And I don't know if that's a
role that a fast wide receiver can just kind of
go into.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
But have you heard my comparison between the two, because
I'm interested in your take if you have not, I
have not. Isaiah Johnson is a College Football twenty seven
slot receiver. Cyrus Allen is a Madden twenty seven slot receiver.
Where you know it's not as gimmicky like Isaiah Johnson.

(28:26):
You're gonna use in motion and bubble screens, jet screen,
jet sweeps. You know you're gonna use him in some
quote unquote creative ways. Where was Cyrus? It was really
you're just a wide. You're a wide receiver that's playing
inside and running all the routes in the route tree,
and you've got the size and the speed. Like I think,

(28:46):
it's just two completely different styles of slot receiver.

Speaker 11 (28:51):
Yeah, I was kind of expecting Johnson to take a
step or two forward and being that fully rounded receiver
and being able to run all those routes outside inside
the middle of the field, down the field, kind of
saying I just haven't seen it. And part of it
is because they've gotten a decent I'm out from Lorenzo
Center and Jaj Gibson, mal Kai Henry Geo Kontos is.

Speaker 8 (29:12):
This step forward.

Speaker 11 (29:12):
So isn't really a huge demand for Asia Johnson to
turn into that kind of player, but you feel like
the ceiling of the offense is higher if he did,
because his speed is up there with Zion Johnson is
the two quickest guys in the team. Ultimately, when I'm looking,
what I'm seeing from the offense right now is just

(29:33):
a lack of personality, a lack of explosiveness and guys
that can really make a true impact play.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
In a game.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
Like I don't know who's making the Jeff Caldwell play
right now. I don't know who's just running a deep
post and beating the safety like Cyrus Allen did. And
I haven't seen the whole ton from J. C. French
to be able to consistently deliver the ball of downfield
for those big tunk plays when.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
They need it.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
Even in one on ones, it's been kind of like, oh,
they haven't completed a pass and like six or seven attempts,
Like what's getting on here? So yeah, that's I'll be
looking for that. I think, given the circumstances of fall camp,
give it a week and a half, two weeks. Like
in the spring, I think at the beginning we were
pretty underwhelmed about what the offense looked like, and then

(30:22):
it slowly started to heat up and they had one
of the better spring games I've seen of any Cincinnati
team since I've been covering them. So that into fall camp,
I think we'll be really talian about what this team's
going to be through the first four weeks of the season,
which could be the most formative weeks of the year.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Real quick, before I let you go overall, what were
your thoughts? Give me sixty seconds your thoughts on the
Bearcats in the Bahamas.

Speaker 11 (30:50):
Shooting translates, and if Miles Colvin is going to be
even close to what he was in the second game,
like we expected him to be in both games, I
think this team is going to be in great shape
because that's a role that he really scribes in. I
think what we saw from a Kai Flimming is absolutely
huge and his ability to play the one to two
and the three, and then defensively, they were aggressive enough

(31:12):
with their hands to give me some some open expectations
about how they can intact the game. I ultimately just
can't say, oh, they're going to be a two sixteen
team because the competition was like dreadful.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
So yeah, it looked like you and Dave and Aaron
and Jeff playing golf.

Speaker 11 (31:33):
Yeah, that's a great.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Thanks, brother, I will I'll see you practice here as
the week goes on. Appreciate you man, all right, Jim,
there you go. Keith nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com k
Nickoson forty two on social media. So go find him.
He's he's the best. Take a break, Tony Pike real
quick with your training camp report when we return.

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Speaker 3 (32:23):
Good head down to our guy, Tony Pike live camp
reports at this stage every hour, Tony, how are you,
my friend?

Speaker 10 (32:37):
I'm great.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
Outside of no actual practices today, it is good to
have a chance to talk to Bengals and always a
great opportunity to be able to talk.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
To you, Jed.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I appreciate that, Tony, I really do. Did you get
a chance to listen to me broadcast games in the Bahamas?
What'd you think? Give me a give me an honest assessment.

Speaker 12 (32:56):
I'd say I'd say a good seven out of ten.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Okay, I'll take that. You know, that's a pretty strong performance.

Speaker 12 (33:03):
But enter in and I think it's tough when you
have no idea about the opponent either that that makes
it a little bit more difficult while you're also still
trying to figure out, you know, the team you cover
and how that roster is going to go into play.
So that and having to do it in such a
terrible place, Yeah, it's you had to get over that
as well.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I also met I met the play by play guy
like four and a half minutes before we started broadcasting.

Speaker 12 (33:28):
Yeah, normally you want to have a maybe four and
a half days before.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
But yeah, I think I'll take a seven. I will
gladly take a seven. This is a quarterback specific question
because I think only quarterbacks can really answer this the
way it needs to be answered. How does a guy
like Dexter Lawrence and his ability to impact the pocket
instantly on every snap change the way that you approach

(34:01):
a defense?

Speaker 12 (34:04):
You know, I think too many times in today's game
we equate success for the defense with sacks, and that's great,
but as a quarterback, I would rather face edge pressure
than middle pressure every day of the week. The middle pressure,
it doesn't allow you to push into your throat, It
doesn't allow you to finish your throw. It blocks your

(34:27):
line of sight. If there's pressure outside, you can push up,
you can get out of the pocket. When that pressure
comes from up the middle, it really limits what you're
able to do. We had a chance to talk to
Jonathan Allen last week after practice, who said that Nick
Saban constantly would talk to the d line of Alabama
about impacting the quarterback in other ways than just bringing
him down. If you get pressure at his feet and

(34:48):
pressure in his face all of a sudden, the follow
through is different. The ball sales, your r mangle has
to change. You lose accuracy. It's one of those ways
that as a quarterback, you would much rather see edge
pressure than that pressure constantly up the middle. And that's
what Dexter Lawrence brings all the time.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Are you gonna make Austin do the sexy dexy dance
every time he gets a sack.

Speaker 12 (35:13):
I'm not gonna make him. I think he should. Okay,
that's clearly a guy from his video that has taken
time to practice during that dance.

Speaker 10 (35:20):
Okay, why would you practice at.

Speaker 12 (35:22):
All that time only to utilize it once.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
That's fair. That's fair. All right, Well, there you go.
We will check back in an hour. Tone. I'll see you.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Soon, all right, Ja, Thanks appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
There you go, Tony Pike with our training Camport training
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Speaker 3 (36:29):
Here we go our number two, The Moegar Show, hosted
by Not Moegar. I'm Chad brindle in FROMO just today.
He'll be back tomorrow. Thank you for choosing me. It's different.

(36:54):
It's weird now, Taren, Like I was a in a
vibe where like, Okay, I'm gonna be here for a week.
You gotta you gotta pace yourself.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
You gotta.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
You can't, you know, use all your good topics in
one day. You gotta you gotta spread them out and
try to find a way to make the show interesting
over a week. Now I'm just here today and I'm
not back into for like two and a half weeks.

Speaker 13 (37:19):
Yeah, and then that was a smack dad middle of
summer where nothing was going on.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, now you can just you know, you put all
the bullets in the gun and you start shooting. I
don't mind it. It's nice to be back to normal
a little bit. A lot of good food in the
Bahamas here, and it was expensive, but we knew that
going in it was expensive. There was some good restaurants
at Bahamar. The best though, you know Marcus Samuelson, Yeah,

(37:47):
the celebrity chef, he had a restaurant at Baja Maar.
I put the picture up on Twitter. Did a sixteen
ounce dry aged rabbi who buddy, the better steaks I've
ever had. And the restaurant was awesome. It's right on
the ocean, like overlooking like a perfect view of the

(38:09):
beach and the waves. It's good stuff and I and
I liked they had two. It's like it's like uh
Miller and Budweiser.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
They had.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
They had two like Island Beers in the Bahamas Klik
and Klik Light, and then Sands and Sands Light. I
went to the grocery store when we first got there,
because beers for a twelve ounce beer at the restaurant
or at the at the resort tearing twelve dollars and

(38:40):
fifty cents for avier.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Nope, twelve ounces, Nope.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Now you could. They had a sports book, and at
the sports book they had like they had the bar,
and then they had like video poker. You could play
a dollar a hand and if you did that, you
got free alcohol. So it's like the old school Vegas
days where as long as you were gambling, you got
your drinks for free, which was important when you're paying

(39:10):
twelve dollars and fifty cents for a beer. It was
an awesome place, though. I hope that is something that
is in the repertoire for the University of Cincinnati going forward,
because I would not mind going back. It's good times.

(39:32):
Now I've got to go see Atlantis, you know. That's
like Atlantis is the like the legacy resort on the Bahamas.
Baha Mar is like the new kid on.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
The block, says usually around after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
The Battle for Atlantis is a Thanksgiving tournament. Now they
had I believe they had teams playing at the Atlantis
for the summer stuff last week as well. There's talk
to Aaron, this is one of those things that you
know you're down there and you hear people talking about stuff.
There's talk that they are going to let American teams

(40:08):
play American teams in these foreign tours going forward.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
So, like Cincinnati was down there with Arkansas, Texas A
and M and Valpo. Could you imagine how different the
conversation would be if we got to see Cincinnati play
what's supposed to be and I think will be, you know,
a top five, top ten team in Arkansas and then
a solid tournament level team in Texas Tech, and then

(40:34):
you get Valpo. That would have been much more fun
than watching him watching all four of those teams beat
the hell out of their Canadian counterparts. The good They
went to Michigan to play Michigan, right, Yeah, they went
to But that's that's preseason. This is summer so they
they're From what I've heard, there is some conversation about

(40:54):
turning this into like a a college version of the
Summer League.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Wouldn't be opposed to that. Maybe get some of the
sponsors to tell about some of the games.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, I mean the talk is that they want to
get ESPN involved and just have the ESPN fill the
slots that they filled with. You know, they have the
Summer League games, and then when the Summer League games,
you go into the college Summer League where because all
these teams are so new every year and there's so
much turnover, like you're getting a chance to work some

(41:26):
things out in the summer against against American competition, which
would be a lot of fun. Boy, that would be
awesome to go. Now, how about the play by play
guy Teran, My partner Chris, He was down there. He's
down there for like seventeen days to do games, to

(41:46):
broadcast games for flow Hoops. He gets his hotel room covered,
he gets paid to be down there, and then the
biggest thing period at that resort is he gets all
his food for free for seventeen days. Noise. Could you imagine?
Now he had to do a bunch of games by himself,

(42:07):
which can't be fun.

Speaker 13 (42:09):
So what did you volunteered to I volunteered, Yeah, I
just you know, I.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Give him somebody to to chop it up with and
kind of act, as you know, an ad free advertisement
for Bearcat Journal dot com. And I didn't mind it.
I was going to be there anyway, so you know,
I why not. I knew the guy from BD Global
who was running the event was used to be the

(42:36):
sports information director for Cincinnati, Andre Fouchet, and I just
hit fushop and I said, hey, you need a color guy,
cause if you do, I'll be glad to help. He said, actually,
we could use one, and that's kind of how that happened.
I Arkansas did the same thing. Arkansas had somebody in
their travel party that had been doing games on the
radio for Arkansas for a long time, and he sat

(42:58):
in and did the art Kansaw games, and then I
did the Cincinnati games, and then every other game Chris
had to broadcast by himself like four games a day.
But this week he had it easy. South Carolina was
going down there and they were the only American team
that was going to be down there, so he had
like one game a day. Like three more games to

(43:21):
do and the entire week left that he had on
the island. I need to get that gig. That's a
fun gig. Let's go out to the phones. Mike in
La Mike, how the heck are you.

Speaker 13 (43:40):
Well?

Speaker 10 (43:40):
I'm in a bit of a compromising situation. If you'll
just bear with me for a few seconds, coups, be
okay and give them to the h.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Do you want me to do the rest of this
segment and then come back to you in the next segment.
I can do that.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
Okay, Thanks chair, Thanks the problem, Mike.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
We'll put Mike on hold. We'll go back to Mike
in segment number two. Not a problem. I think the
biggest thing for me, and this has kind of been
the universal consensus after the first week or so of
Bengals camp, is that things are pretty even on both
sides of the ball, and given where the defense was

(44:24):
at last year and how much attention and resources and
effort was putting into fixing this defense in twenty twenty six,
I think it has to be incredibly encouraging that this
is a unit that is going out there and getting

(44:45):
some stops with some regularity, and doing it in different ways.
It's not just they're getting some pass rush. It's not
just the secondary is playing better. It's not just the
linebackers are are looking like maybe they're going to have
some growth in year two. And you know, I try

(45:07):
to stay away from the hyperbole. You know, the biggest
jump is from year one to year two. That's it's
a great thing to say. What tangibly backs that up,
especially when those two guys were pretty bad, if not
really bad, in twenty twenty five. So I would hope

(45:30):
that there's some improvement there, natural progression. But you're hearing
about Dexter Lawrence creating pressure up the middle. You're you're
hearing Miles Murphy and Boye Mafe and Charles Howell and guys,
you know a number of guys getting some pressure on

(45:52):
the edge, getting some pressure with some blitzing, with some
stunts and some twists and some different and elements to
the pass rush that then we've seen from the Bengals
in along because it felt like Trey Hendrickson was we're
gonna line up Trey, We're gonna try to get Tray
one on one and then we're gonna let him get

(46:12):
after the quarterback. There wasn't a lot of gamesmanshipped to it.
There wasn't a lot of we're gonna try and trick you.
It was we have this guy that's just a beast
getting off the edge and impacting the quarterback, and we're
gonna let him go to work. And now you're starting to,
at least through the first week of camp, hear about

(46:34):
a defense that's making things a little more of a
challenge for Joe Burrow, that's making things a little bit
more off schedule. And I don't think you could ask
for more than that out of these first couple weeks,
the first week of camp. Now we're gonna start to
find out a little bit more on Thursday, obviously, depending

(46:57):
on what starters play, how long starters play. I mean,
I would guess if you're really dealing with soft tissue
concerns for Brian Cook and for Dax Hill, that we
probably won't see those guys Thursday. And that's okay. There's
still plenty of time to get those guys up to
speed and get them ready for week one. But I

(47:22):
think there would have been a fair amount of concern
had we again been talking about this offense is just
marching right up and down the field, that even though
they're working on some things, and even though they're trying
to do what they can to implement, you know, some
new elements to this offense to make it a little

(47:43):
bit more explosive, they're not just finding easy success. It's
not a matter of Burrow knowing I can throw to Tea,
I can throw to Jamar and there's really nothing the
defense can do about it because these guys aren't good enough.
You feel like DJ Turner, at least on a snap

(48:07):
by snap basis, can make things a little difficult for
Jamar Chase that because you've got Brian Cook at the
back end of that defense, that teams aren't just going
to be able to say, Okay, we're not really afraid
of first and second down because we know on third
down we can get what we need. We're going to

(48:28):
be able to pick up a third and seven, or
if it's third and long, we're going to be able
to push the ball down the field and our guys
either probably going to make a play or there's going
to be a pass interference. We're going to move the
sticks and we're not really ever going to worry about
UH being a team that has to pun a lot
against the Cincinnati defense. So if these first couple weeks

(48:51):
are a true representation of what Al Golden is going
to be working with in twenty twenty six, then you
are looking at a Bengals team with a mutch which
significantly higher ceiling, because now you're not asking for Joe
Burrow to score three out of every four drives. Now

(49:12):
they know you think they can. You think they're going
to have that ability with all eleven guys back on offense,
But that's never a guarantee. That's never a sure thing.
Teams are going to mix it up and try to
do things, especially if this offense is going to morph
into a little bit more under center play action run game.

(49:37):
If you're going to see a decent chunk more than that,
you hope that it opens up the explosive plays, but
it also could open up you know, maybe you get
two first downs and you have to punt and then
the defense comes back out on the field. Can that
defense then hold field position and get the other team
to punt three and out, or maybe they pick up

(49:58):
a first down and then you get the defense off
the field. Some of those things don't show up in
the statistics, they don't allow you. The Bengals give up,
you know, twenty three yards and the other team punts
over six plays. You're getting the ball back and you're

(50:22):
not completely losing fuel position, and you're not completely losing momentum,
and you're giving the ball back to Joe Burrow. In
this offense, or for the past two years, it felt
like every time possession changed there was probably a touchdown coming.
So it's music to your ears the more and more

(50:43):
you hear this team went out and you know what
was it on Saturday? There were six drives and they
got four stops. Offense scored two touchdowns, defense got four stops.
I'll take it anyone else, I'll take tarn I'll take
a break more after this The Maager Show Cincnati's ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3 (51:24):
Baby dedicates all a pretty girl away.

Speaker 10 (51:42):
You give me a novel, I'll call you. You act
like you don't hear a legend.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I don't have no trouble with you, but I have
a little a legend.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
You don't know how much.

Speaker 10 (51:54):
You've got my baby, and.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I know where Let's keep it rolling. Hour number two,
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. It's the Moagers Show. I'm not
my leg or. I'm Chad Brendle, owner and publisher of
Bearcat Journal dot com. Do you think I should just
go ahead and make Kegan publisher arn like I make
him do most of the work. Maybe we'll see how

(52:16):
football season goes, and then I'll uh, I'll work on
his promotion around the first of the year. Yeah, you gotta,
you gotta keep him incentivized, right, he's a great employee.
I mean, I'm probably not ever giving up the website.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Let's not kid ourselves.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
What else am I gonna do?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Like to Atlantis?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Why would I? Why would I do that? I want
to go see what Atlantis is about. Now that I've
seen what Baha mars about. I sent him to Vegas
Like that should be enough. Get to go to Vegas
here and there, even though he goes to like the
barber shop and Chipotle and the gym when he's in Vegas.

(53:03):
Unbelievable that kid. Let's get back out to the phone,
so we'll see if Mike's ready. Mike, are you ready?
How you doing?

Speaker 10 (53:14):
Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I'm trying to get back on you know, American time
from island time, and I much prefer island time.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
Yeah, I bet you too. You say they have waves
and I ain't got no waves. They got a little
shore break.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Thing, you know what, Mike. It was. It was shocking.
There was we were right on the ocean. There was
very little even breeze in the Bahamas while we were there. Oh,
it was humid and still like on the rare occasion
you got a breeze blow through. It was like, oh,
this is outstanding. But I don't know that I've ever
really been to a place where you're right on the

(53:53):
ocean and there just wasn't much breeze.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
Yeah, there is a little work usual. I went to
Southampton wants it was like that, but not typically. You're
right about that. But I heard the broadcast and it
wasn't like chick Her or something. Let's don't be fair.
It wasn't or Dick and Burger. No, it was okay,

(54:19):
your parents only be nice.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
You don't have to be nice. I'm a big boy.
I can handle some constructive criticism.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
No, man, I thought it was pretty damn good really,
considering it's not your normal vocation. So I thought it
was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I appreciate that. I've always enjoyed doing that type of thing.
I did a lot of it, like at that, you know,
at the lower levels, a little bit of lower level college,
high school and stuff early in my career, and then
branched out in this path. But I enjoyed it. I
had a lot of fun doing it, and you know,
hopefully some sometime down the road I can get into

(54:56):
it a little bit more.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
Yeah, and you were in a beautiful place with beautiful
scenery and you can't eat that. It sounds like the
food was tough. Was fun? It was fun. Was there
something extremely unusual or was it a lot of shrimp
and stuff like that?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Uh so with the one night we had like a
Japanese kind of steakhouse.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
Thing you talk about the Script New York.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
That was from Marcus Samuelson's place. Marcus Samuelson's an awesome chef,
and and they that place was really cool. Their conkforters
were incredible. They were the best comforters I've ever had,
So those were really good.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
And then we had like a Mediterranean place where we
got like a sampler thing. It had a uh, a
skewer of skirt steak, a skewer of chicken, and a
skewer of salmon, all marinated and grilled in different ways,
and then a bunch of side items, like Mediterranean style
side items. So all three of them are really good.

(55:59):
Marcus Samuelson Place was I thought, by far the best
place on the island.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
Yeah. I've seen him on Triple D. Yeah, a bunch
of times overviews. So did you get to do did
they have any exotic dancers or anything?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
No exotic dancers? Money to ask you that, I mean
not that, I not that I saw. You know, they
had some nightclubs and some nightlife and things. It's basically
its own giant city, Like the one that we were
in a cab and the lady was telling me like,
there's there's over twelve thousand people that work at that resort.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
Holy moly.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, it's it's its own society, its own economy. It's
it's wild. Everywhere you turned there was something to buy
spend money on.

Speaker 10 (56:46):
Wow twelve thousand. Jesus does as many people as work
at Geitherdale.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Yeah, twelve thousand people, and it was probably more than
that because that was just the number they took from
Atlantis when Bahamar opened. There were twelve thousand employees that
left Atlantis and went to Bahamar when the when the
resort opened.

Speaker 10 (57:06):
Oh my goodness, So you had so overall it was
definitely a nice change of pace and you guys have
some good change of scenery and enjoyed yourself. That's the
main thing.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
That's the main thing. We had a good time this
This staff is very accommodating, very easy to work with.
Got to watch a couple of practices while we were
over there, got to watch both games, had breakfast with
the team in the mornings, and and you know, really
had a chance to kind of get fully integrated with
everything that's going on with Jared Calhoun. So I'm excited

(57:36):
for October and the preseason and then November once the
season starts. I think it's going to be an exciting year.
And it's it's going to be a brand of basketball, Mike,
that that you are not going to recognize as Cincinnati
Bearcat basketball. The way the ball moves, the way that
they get open shots, the way that they put pressure
on a defense. It's just something we haven't seen here

(57:57):
in a long time.

Speaker 10 (57:59):
Bobby Night.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
So, uh, it's it's it's motion, but it's different. It's
more concept driven than it is like play driven. But
there's a ton of motion. There's a ton of ball
movement via the past. There's not a whole lot of dribbling.

Speaker 10 (58:17):
Wow, that's great though, Yes, that's what you want. I'm
glad to hear that that we need a change. Change chain.
Change is always good. I got a really cute baseball
joke for you, squeaky clean. Oh but real quick, you
know the Dodgers are ruining baseball. Oh it's ruined. It's over,
it's done. Yeah right, Look, this is the best your

(58:40):
baseball's head in forever, with the Rays and the Red
Sox and some of the other clubs that are doing
so well. And now the Dodgers are back down to earth.
So and look at the Mets. Who spends all the money,
the Mets, the Phillies, the Blue Jays, where are all
that's huge? Nowhere?

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Fifty two and sixty seven for the matter, this crap?
Huh fifty two and sixty seven for the Mets.

Speaker 10 (59:05):
Yeah, I mean, you know they've exagerated this dodge or crap,
i'body even betting they're gonna win the world see out, really,
but you never know they know how they do it.
Here's my joke before I pass out, don't pass out.
There are two Major League baseball players that have been
playing together for years, and they have an agreement that

(59:27):
if one of them passes before the other the other guy,
the guy that passed will come back if you can
and tell the other guy whether there's baseball in heaven.
And so, sure enough, one of these few years later,
passes eventually comes back, tells his buddy, I got good
news and bad news. The good news is there is
baseball in heaven, brother. The bad news is you're scheduled

(59:50):
to pitch on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
That I can't. Did Were you listening last week when
I made Moe use the dump button?

Speaker 10 (01:00:00):
Yeah? Yeah, I forgot, But now that he refreshed me, yeah,
you can tell that joke.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
To your grandma or right right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
But I'm not one that I can't play morality player
the moral police anymore, because you know, I got caught.
I got got Mike he had to use the dumb
button on me. He shamed me publicly, and uh, you
know I I earned every second of it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
I'm sure he's yeah, like he's never blown anything up.
Can I'm always in your corner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Baby, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. All right, help
you feel better?

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
Thanks? You're not there anymore. That blows take the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Rest of the week off, and I don't think he's
allowed to do that anymore. He might be out of days.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
All right, there you go, Mike and out. What was
your reaction, Terran when I when I blew up the
dump button? Were you were you ready to go?

Speaker 8 (01:01:06):
Were you on it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
How was it? Or to her? Most reaction, I was like, oh,
dump button?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
I I I actually think I caught it. I didn't
let the whole word get out, but enough of it
got out that the dump button should have been used.

Speaker 13 (01:01:23):
So if you go back and watch that video, I
think it was Thursday. That was Wednesday. Wednesday, that's Wednesday.
It's the show live on a Twitter YouTube. You'll find it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think that's the first time
I've ever needed the dump button since I've I've been
on this radio program station.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
First time for everything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, it was the Islands. You know, I was relaxed.
I wasn't. I'd been used to doing like podcasts stuff,
and uh, it just it got away from me, got
away from me. We're not all perfect, Terry, We're not
all perfect. Let's take a break. We'll talk about Bengals offense.

(01:02:03):
We've talked to Bengals defense in segment one. Let's talk
some Bengals offense. If you want. Phone lines are open
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Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
All right, welcome back, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Cruising along
in hour number two. Tony Pike coming up here in
just a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Sometimes there's no music, and that's just the scenario, Tarren,
Here we go, Yo, yo, Just let this play for
five minutes, one of my favorite hip hop songs. Ever,
what do you know, Just get back to some Bengals talk.

(01:03:10):
And it's been interesting the conversation around adding elements to
this offense, adding new wrinkles, new points of emphasis in
the playbook, in a in an effort to be a

(01:03:32):
little bit more explosive, in an effort to bring back
some of those splash plays that really maybe we haven't
seen over the last year or two for whatever reason.
Some of that involving Joe Burrow under center, a position,
a design that he has talked about not exactly being

(01:03:54):
overly comfortable with not being his favorite. He wants to
be in shotgun see the defense. But when you look
at the numbers, the teams that are running more under center,
they're having success. They're having more success running the ball,
they're having more success getting the dbs to not maybe

(01:04:14):
play as deep. You know, you remember how many times
over the past couple of years we've heard when they
played teams that play cover two, Well, we have a
hard time beating cover two, and it's just a bad
matchup for us. One of the ways you beat cover
two you get under center, you make those safeties. Worry

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about the run game. They can't play as deep, they
can't you know, provide quite the umbrella that they're able
to provide when you're in shotgun. But I think the
interesting part of this is going to be how long
through camp does it take this from being nothing to

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worry about. It's just part of expanding the offense. It's
just part of, you know, making things easier long term
for Joe Burrow and you know, the the eleven returning

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guys on offense. But let's keep in mind Tampa Bay, Houston, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville.
To start off the season at Houston at Pittsburgh in
the middle of that home versus Tampa Bay is not

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going to be a walk in the park. That's a
strong team, a team that very much could play themselves
into being a contender in the NFC. And then Jacksonville
had a great year last year. Trevor Lawrence is starting
to look like we expected Trevor Lawrence to look as

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an NFL quarterback. And playing Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh never an
easy task. You've got four teams that should be pretty
good defensively, Cincinnati does not have the runway to not

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play well on offense early or else. Once again, they're
going to be looking up at not only the division,
but the conference. I mean, realistically, if this is going

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to be a team with Super Bowl aspiraatesment aspirations. Sure,
you can go the route that they went in twenty
twenty one. You got to win on the road and
the play you've got Joe Burrow, you have faith you
can do it. But man, the more home games you stack,
the easier it is. Now that necessarily doesn't mean that
you have to get the number one seed and get

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a buy all the way through. Makes life easier if
you do, but that's not the be all, end all.
What you don't want to have to do is win
three road games, have to win two road games. You
want to be one of the better teams in the conference.
That's going to include starting fast, and as of right now,

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I don't think it's a concern per se that they
are working on expanding the offense and working on some
things that down the road could make them much more dangerous.
But in the short term, you got four pretty tough
games coming up to start this twenty twenty sixth season.

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You better make sure that that you're doing what you
do well and that you're ready to jump as soon
as the gun goes off and get off to a
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All right, here we go, final segment of hour two.
We'll go to Tony Pike. Tony, this is a quick one. Okay,
quick one, Roger. The offense is working on a lot, right,
They're expanding, they're looking to become more explosive, to add
some new elements. How long does that process take and

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how long do you also have to look at it
and say, hey, Bucks, Texans, Steelers, Jags, we got to
get ready for these first four We better be clicking.

Speaker 12 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I'm not pushing it past tomorrow really much. After that,
you either you have to have a good understanding leaving
the practice field tomorrow what you like and what you
don't like, because what you don't want to be doing
is still working on things during a preseason game of
Joe Burrows getting some snaps. You don't want to continue
to work on things and push off what you're comfortable

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with until you've got to go back and pull that
out for Week one against Tampa or Week two at Houston.
I would say after tomorrow, because you're going to have
a full practice tomorrow, off day, you're going to welcome
in the Detroit Lions on Thursday, and I know you
keep things pretty basic for that, But after that, I'm
not trying to expand the playbook anymore. I'm trying to

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go with what I have and make sure that the
offense is feeling really good about all of that going
into the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Do you think they've got all of that stuff installed?
Do you think that's at least the base form of
all that installed.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
I think what they're really comfortable during they could run
anytime they needed. I think there was an effort to
do more under center, to do a little bit more
exotic looks, some motion, some alignment, formational stuff that can
throw off a defense. I think the biggest thing for
all of that, which I think was the problem last year.
How many times did you watch a Bengal game and

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seemingly every snap was down to one or two seconds
on the play clock. They've got to get the ball,
and they've got to get the play in quicker to
allow Joe Burrow to get up to the line of
scrimmage and evaluate what he's seen to make sure he
is protecting himself and putting them in the best play necessary.
But I think the core of it in it's been
pretty heavy installed now since it started training camp. I
think now you start to really focus back on what

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you can do really well and what you can expand on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
All right, appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:01):
Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Thanks, We'll talk to you one more time an hour
from now. All right, Jed, here you go, Tony Pike
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You went through that thing fast today. He was hungry.
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I looked over and you were halfway through the second half.
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we'll get to some Reds. I guess if we have
to buy the end of this show. Clay Son Oden
Just Baseball dot Com joins us at the bottom of
the hour. Here's what I can tell you. I'm gonna
do some Bengals here if you want to keep me
from going to the Reds until five point thirty five

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three seven fifteen thirty. I don't want to do it.
They're not playing tonight, They're off until tomorrow. If they
played tonight, I'd be stuck. I wouldn't have a choice.
But they got swept over the weekend by a combined
twenty to six by a very middle of the road
Nationals team that yes, the Nationals have a good offense,

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they're pitching stinks and the Reds bats looked abysmal. It
is home run or nothing far more often than not
with this group, and that's frustrating. And I'd rather talk
about other stuff than talking about something that right now,
quite frankly, is depressing. So I'd rather talk about the

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Bengals because at least, at least the Bengals organizationally feel
like they are in a position to win a championship.
They have Joe Burrow, they have Jamar Chase, They've got
Dexter Lawrence. Now like you've got some of the more

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recognizable names in the NFL, and those guys are in
their prime and it's time for the Bengals to win
a championship. I think you could fairly argue with the
Bengals that at times they are a year late, like

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it was obvious to everybody after twenty twenty four, the
defense was bad and something drastic had to be done.
Firing lou An Arumo, firing a really really good NFL
defensive coordinator, replacing him with Al Golden, who you know

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I would probably if I was doing a defensive coordinator
power rankings, I'd probably have Lou above Al. But the
Bengals were trying to go young on defense. Ana Rumo
was a guy that liked having veterans, liked having older
guys so that he could do a multitude of things.
The Bengals are going young. They needed a new voice

(01:15:50):
for that young group. They went without Golden, but it
was pretty obvious to everybody that the personnel on defense
wasn't good enough. Just go back and watch some of
those games in twenty twenty four. It was abundantly clear

(01:16:11):
that the personnel wasn't good enough, and they didn't fix
the personnel. They changed the coordinator and then that didn't work.
So then they went into this offseason and change the players. Okay, yes,
what I have liked for it not to take that

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in between year, the gap year where you know, you
you hope you fix the problem, but you don't have
any real confidence that Al Golden's gonna, you know, significantly
change the outcome from lou Ana Rumo. I don't think
anybody really believed that that defense last year was gonna

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be good. They didn't do enough to change the person.
And now this year aggressive Brian Cook and boy A Mafe.
I think boy Mafe is a little under talked about
in the impact that he can have. I think Jonathan
Allen is untalked about on the impact that he can

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have on that defensive line as a veteran guy, and
all of a sudden, you look at that defense and
there's there's players. Brian Cook honorable mention, although I think
he should have been one of the top ten safeties.

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DJ Turner I think is a top ten player at
his position in the NFL. And if he's not, he's
damn close. Okay, Now you've got some real ingredients to
cook with on defense. Why because you have a front

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office that in internally believes their window is open to
win a championship. You're not going to have Joe Burrow forever.
At some point in time, his career is going to
come to an end. And as a franchise, as an
ownership group, as a director of player personnel, as a

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head coach, top all the way down, you are going
to be judged on how much success Joe Burrow can
look back upon at the end of his career, and
they understand that. While it might be a little slow moving,

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I don't think there's any any real belief that the
Bengals aren't doing everything that they can to win. Maybe
it's in a weird order at times. Maybe it's because
we're predisposed to knowing what this has looked like for
as long as we have that, we get that, oh,

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there they go, here the old Bengals, here they go.
They're going cheap again. But I don't know how you
could look at this offseason. I don't know how you
could look at what they've done, the way they've attacked
it and not say that's an ownership group that is
acting like a championship is important. When's the last time

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you felt that about the Reds? When's the last time
you really felt and the Reds are going after it.
The Reds are trying to win a dang World Series
with twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, not just the Reds are

(01:19:47):
perfectly okay with treading water. The Reds are perfectly okay.
They they they've happened into because they tanked and because
they were bad, they've happened into Hunter Green, Chase Burns,
Elie de la Cruz, salth Stewart. I mean again, you

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think the Brewers wouldn't kill to have that as a
core to build around long term Cardinals Cubs. Now, the
Hunter injury stuff of course plays in, but there's enough
there that you could look at and say, hey, let's
go spend some money, maybe a little out of our

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comfort zone, but let's do so with the belief that
we've got a core and we've got belief in our
ability to do our jobs, that we're going to act accordingly.
We're going to act like a team that has championship aspirations,
not just we're gonna act like a team that's that's

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looking to break even on the on the scoreboard so
that we can make more money than we have to spend.
That's the difference between the two organizations right now. The
Bengals have star power, and they fully believe that star

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power can win them a super Bowl. The Reds have
some young star power. The Reds, if properly supported and
properly built should be in one of these windows, and instead,

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what are we talking about. The Reds are seventeen and
a half games out in the National League Central, seventeen
and a half games out in the Central, there's six
games out in the Wildcard. Are six teams between them

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and third place in the wild Card six that's troublesome.
There's only three teams in the National League with a
worse record than the Reds, the Mets, the Giants, the Rockies.

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And I read you what the schedule looks like earlier.
If I had to guess, at least one of those
teams will finish with a better record than the Reds,
I think we're careening to a ninety loss season. And

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if that's the case, this thing better look a whole
lot different. Whether that's in twenty twenty seven when they
get this labor issue solved, or at some point in
time in the future. This franchise stumbles and stumbles hard
to the finish line with a very difficult schedule in
August in September, the next time we see the Reds

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playing baseball, there better be a lot of changes in
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Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
We uh, we do not have any further word on
Hunter Green. He's already had one Tommy John surgery. You
hear UCL you fear there's another one coming. And that

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makes it difficult because then what does the rest of
the contract, the rest of this window for Hunter Green
look like, because it, for all intents and purposes, would
mean we will not see him in twenty twenty seven.
That that would realistically be it for Hunter Green until

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leading up to twenty twenty eight, and that means a
lot when you're figuring out how you're going to construct
this pitching staff because Green and Lodolo, as talented as
they are, because of the list of injuries that Hunter

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Green has had because of the blister situation with Nick
Lodolo that the Reds have not been able to figure out.
Let's call a spade a spade. It's been going on
since he came up, and they haven't been able to
get a grasp on it or to figure out what

(01:25:41):
needs to be done to make sure that it's not
a problem anymore. Chase Burns is awesome, awesome, but Chase
Petty hasn't worked out. Red Louder, I don't. I definitely

(01:26:03):
don't feel as confident as as I did in him
dating back a year ago. You didn't trade Brady Singer,
so you're you're probably in position to give him a
qualifying offer, which if you could, you know, I think

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Brady Singer is like a four. He's a fourth starter
for a championship contending team. He could even be a
fifth starter. It's gonna give you some innings. It's gonna
make sure your your bullpen doesn't get burned up on
that fifth starter day, fourth starter day, whatever the case
may be. But but I don't, I don't see Brady

(01:26:45):
Singer as a top of the rotation starter. I think
there are stretches where Andrew Abbott is awesome, but he's
not out there throwing overly dominant stuff. And I think
this time a year ago or going into the offseason,

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you're looking at it and thinking, Man, if it's they
can stay healthy, they have not. If they can stay
healthy Green Lodolo, burns Abbott, Singer, man, you're gonna have
a pretty good chance every fifth, every day, pretty good
chance every day that your starter is gonna go out

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there and put you in position to win. Subtract Hunter
from that still unknown on Lodolo. Teams look like they've
started to figure out Abbott a little And if you're
gonna have to give Brady Singer a qualifying offer, it's
probably gonna be a little bit more than you're comfortable

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with if you want to keep him around long term.
That is not a promising future for a team that
wants to be defined by pitching in defense. Reds are
in a scary place when you look at the future

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and what this franchise looks like in twenty twenty eight,
twenty twenty nine going forward from there, because they've got
legit star power and they're struggling to hang in the
realm of five hundred with an incredibly six weeks, an

(01:28:37):
incredibly tough six weeks from now until the end of
the regular season. Not fun. Let's take a break, Clay
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Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Okay, all right, here we go, Clace, Notden, just baseball.
Another eclectic choice from Klace, Notden, Clay. How you been,
how's dad life? How's everything treating you? Outside of the
chore that is watching the Reds.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Man, It's been great. It's a it's a difficult time,
you know, but it doesn't last forever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Not a lot of sleep, but we're getting through. I mean,
it could be worse. She could be sixteen and driving
for the first time, and that's that's not a fun
thing to worry about every day.

Speaker 8 (01:29:52):
Clay, It's really not ye I don't doubt that one bit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
This Reds teams started out at a good looking stretch
coming out of the All Star Break and then outscored
twenty to six this weekend in Washington. The bats weren't
there against a bad pitching team. Maybe the best hitting
team in the National League in Washington did what you

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kind of expected them to do to Red's pitching. Is
this just what rooting for a team that strives for
five hundred feels like?

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
Yeah, I think it is. I think that we're quickly
seeing that this is not a very good team, and
we knew that then they were allowed to play the
athletics and right when you get to do that, you
get to feel better about yourself. So to me, it's
just not a very good team. They should have sold more,
they decided not to, and because of that, they're going

(01:30:55):
to be a little bit better than they should be.
But at the end of the day, I don't think
it's going to amount to much.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
They should have sold more. How much of it do
you think was teams just weren't interested in what they
had to sell, Because when I look at it, like
you know, when you put some stuff out for the
yard sale, like you think everything's going to sell at
the yard sale, and then the yard sale happens and
maybe you sold the couch and you know, you sold

(01:31:22):
some clothes, but you look back and you go, God,
we had some good stuff, but you didn't have good stuff.
You just had stuff you like, not stuff anybody else wanted.

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
Yeah, and I could buy that about SaaS And you
know there's a couple of relievers you can put on that.
To me, Brady Singer and Tyler Stevenson were the two
best players that were on expiring contracts, and I know
that Tyler Stevenson had interest. I'm worried that the Reds

(01:31:54):
waited too long and the few catcher spots that were
needed were filled in the Red were left with their
pants down, you know, and there were worse pictures than
Singer moved. And you know, it comes out that they
want to keep these guys around. Well, now they've cornered
themselves into having to pay these guys, and if they don't,

(01:32:15):
then you've really had terrible asset management. So to me,
it was a completeness management of their assets. And they
waited till the last minute to trade Nathaniel Low And
then you're sitting there and you've made a move, and
that's about it. Caleb Ferguson for two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars indicates to me that you are not trying

(01:32:38):
to win this year. Why would you trade a player
from your major league roster for less than a starter
home in this economy, if you're trying to win, it
makes zero sense if I just don't see how the
messaging around it could possibly play in the redspavor.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
You'll spend more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
on that brand new, beautiful baby of yours in like
the next five six years like that. That's terrifying, of
course it is. That's the reality of the situation, Clay.

Speaker 8 (01:33:11):
I guess you gotta start paying me to come on here.
Then if I'm gonna have.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
To come up with that kind of money, well, it's
been nice having you on, Clay. Here's the thing. The
other thing that worries me, Clay. Everybody talked about September,
right man, when this thing's they gauntlet, when the Reds
get to September. Here's the rest of August. At the

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White Sox, Marlin's here, Cardinals here for five, at the Diamondbacks,
at the Giants the Giants are bad, but then at
the Cobs and then San Diego here that's not easy either.
It's not Brewers Dodgers, Brewers Dodgers for for you know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
But but that's not a walk in the Park between
now in September, this thing could get ugly, ugly between
now and the end of the season.

Speaker 8 (01:34:10):
Yeah, of those teams you listed, the only team that
I think is worse than the Reds, like, without a.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Doubt, is are the Giants.

Speaker 8 (01:34:19):
Yeah, and you just you look around at those other
teams and they either bought at the deadline or they
were already good enough that you know, they didn't have
to sell with the deadline either. So to me, August
is gonna be probably pretty ugly now. Of course that
if you want to be optimistic, you could say there's

(01:34:40):
the opportunity for the Reds. I just find it hard
to believe when I look at this roster and I
watched this team that they're gonna make anything of a run.
I mean, TJ. Friedel's still on this roster, and they
just keep making confusing decisions, and the Hunter Green News
obviously is is not helping them at all. And it

(01:35:03):
just feels like a team that just doesn't have much
life to it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Is there a number you think where it's like front
office is going to have to say, or the ownership's
going to have to say, the front office has to change, Like,
is there a loss total. Is it ninety Does it
have to get so bad that they go seventy two
and ninety before the Castellinis go, We've got to tear

(01:35:30):
this thing up and start over because what we're doing
is not working.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
I don't know. I would like to say yes, and
I think it's more than reasonable to move on from
the front office. In fact, I wrote about that about
a month ago. The issue I see is we're operating
under the idea that these owners will act like other
owners and trying to predict the future off of what

(01:35:57):
typically happens in baseball and what we've learned does the
Reds don't often act like other teams. And you're talking
about an older owner that brought in Terry Francona and
their buddies and whatnot. And I just don't know if
they're gonna say that, Terry Francona, Hey, we're making a
front office change at the end of your career that could,

(01:36:21):
you know, really shake up the roster. I hope they do.
I just think the most likely scenario is they don't,
and the fact that they let this front office handle
the deadline hand out an extension to Chase Burns, so
I will give them credit that that, to me is
a fantastic deal. We'll see how it plays out, but
you know, a good risk to take. I thought that

(01:36:44):
they would have moved on before the deadline, and instead
they let these guys keep keep the team together, and
now they're kind of cornered into resigning these players.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Well, I mean the good news is like you kept
them for the deadline, but they were taking a nap
last week. So yeah, they were they were employed for
the deadline, but they slept right through it. Clay Geez, Yeah,
I just don't know how you bounce back from this.
It's been year after year of poor roster decisions. I'm

(01:37:18):
not going to act like they haven't made any good news,
because they have. But when you look at it overall,
especially that Kiprian Hayes move, that's staring you right in
the face, and you've got him for a number of
years after this twenty twenty nine. For anybody that was wondering, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:37:35):
It's just a complete black hole of third base. Matt
McClain continues to play every single day, and yeah he's
had some moments recently too. Am run game, but it's
now a pretty large sample size where He's been twenty
five percent below league average offensively, and there's just too
many players who, oh yeah, we like them, they're a

(01:37:58):
good guy, but they can't hit. How many of those
can you have in the line up? The Reds have
too many.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Finally, Clay, I got about a minute left no Hunter Green,
and I'm gonna just presume he's out for a while.
How bleak is the long term prospectus for this starting rotation?

Speaker 8 (01:38:18):
I think that it's a big problem. I mean, having
Chase Burns is huge. Andrea Rabbits at least reliable and available,
so you have two arms you can count on. And
just to have to bring back Brady Singer because I
don't think there's a lot coming through the minor leagues
right now now, and Red Louder is at least trending
in the right direction. By I have my reservations about

(01:38:39):
his ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Well, thanks for putting me in a good mood, Clay.
I appreciate your brother. Where can they find you?

Speaker 8 (01:38:49):
Just faceball dot Com and on x Clay underscore snow.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
All right, appreciate your brother. We will talk soon.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
All right, You have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
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fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
All right, welcome back the final segment of this steamy
Monday afternoon outside here in the Queens City. Chad Brendle
Tony Pike from Sincy three sixty Hall of Fame quarterback
at the University of Cincinnati. Tony, does it ever get
old hearing that Hall of Famer?

Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
No, I love it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:01):
But you did say something, Chad, you said steaming. I
tried to play the dad card last night and for
the first time, tried to bring out the slipping slide
in the front yard. Yeah, how long can one allow
the kids to go on a slipping slide before you
have to worry about the grass underneath it being ruined?
Because we're nearly twenty four hours post slip and slide,
and this grass looks like I had a slipping side

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laid down on it for about twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I mean, it doesn't the ample time, it doesn't take long.
I was wondering you were gonna ask how long before
dad takes a trip down the slipping slide.

Speaker 12 (01:40:33):
Well, that's gonna be a lot longer, Chad. My body
hurts after swimming and pools right now, so we're gonna
push me in the slipping side a little bit longer.
But it is hot, it is humid. No Bengals practice
familiar this afternoon, but a big day tomorrow with their
last major workday obviously before playing their first preseason game Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Tony, I know you're always one that gets a little
frustrated with how I don't want to say soft, because
I don't think soft is the right answer, but how
NFL practices have changed from your day. Do you still
feel that from this camp or does this camp feel

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like it's maybe a little bit more hands on than
the ones you've seen in the past.

Speaker 10 (01:41:20):
It's felt more.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Intense to me.

Speaker 12 (01:41:22):
It's felt less country club feel. If you watch Hard
Knocks at all, like you watch Seattle on what they're
doing that's a physical camp, and they just won the
Super Bowl. I think there is a scene that physicality
still bodes well for how it translates into the regular season.
But for me, it also helps answer some of the
biggest questions. I mean, the biggest question I had going

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into camp was linebacker. And I think Demetrius Knight and
Berret Carter have had a great camp, But what was
the thing that Demetrius Night and Bret Carter struggled with tackling?
So they've been in the right spots, but you've not
seen that next side crossed off the list. And for
a team who struggled in open space that has reworked
their entire defense, I still think there is more there

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kind of left to dial into for the Bengals defense.
I still think there's a couple of things they've got
to check off the box before you feel one hundred
confident in what they've gotten done.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Do you let you do? You say, hey, like uh,
Tos Brooks, you're the running back and you're live, and
like k linebackers go get in.

Speaker 12 (01:42:29):
I would as long as it's a controlled setting, sure,
Like I don't need the old school stuff like two
guys line up ten yards from each other, right, run
one hundred miles an hour at each other and see
what happens. But in a controlled setting, I'd like to
see the ball dumped off to a TOAs Brooks in
the flat and Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter have to
make a play. They've got to get to the ball

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and then just not run past the ball and tag off,
but break down and actually bring a ball carrier down.
I'm not saying you've got to create huge collisions. But
if I'm an offensive coordinator and i go up against
the Bengals Week one and I'm the Tampa Bay Bucks,
one of the things I'm doing early in that game
is testing the linebackers in space. You've got to answer
that question sooner rather than later so you feel confidently

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about going into week one in that sense.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Appreciate it. Tone It's been a pleasure. And I'm not
here for a couple more weeks, so you enjoy training
camp and maybe one of these days will be lucky
enough to see you stop by Nippert and take in
a Bearcats practice.

Speaker 12 (01:43:29):
Yeah, you know, maybe until these guys to adjust their
practice times a little bit. Okay, maybe have some understanding that.
You know, some guys got a practice or we're gonna
get a night We get a night practice.

Speaker 10 (01:43:40):
We got nip and night this year, we're gonna have
some nipp and night games. Let's work on some of that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
I will pass along that to powers to be. But
you're a Hall of Famer. You should have these people
on speed though. Do they just not answer?

Speaker 12 (01:43:56):
I've been left on the red a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Yeah, I can. I can relate to that. They they
don't pay attention to anything I say. Most of the time.

Speaker 6 (01:44:05):
I hear it.

Speaker 12 (01:44:06):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Thanks, Tom, appreciate it all right, that's gonna do it.
Mos back tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in. This is the
Mogger Show RADI on Cincinnati's ESPN thirteen thirty and I'm

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listening to the radio.

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