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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We've got John sheeron at one o'clock. He'll join us
to talk all begles and bills. We've got Key get
Nick us in at two o'clock. He'll get us ready
for the crossdown shootout. I'm talking a little U see
football signing Day and our guy Bob Man Jean from
the University of Cincinnati and Novacare will join us in
the third hour as we discuss a little bit about
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the trainer's role in a player coming back from injury.
We'll look at what Joe Burrow was able to do
and how big of an impact the trainer truly has
in something like that. We've also got some Joe Burrow
audio from yesterday that we'll get to. We've got to
read and react today. We've got to talk a little
bit more about the Buffalo Bills from now until three o'clock,
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and of course we'll welcome you to join us as well.
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. Let's jump
right into the top sports stories happening right now. Austin. Yesterday,
I made an appearance on the New Heights podcast with
Jason and Travis Kelsey. Well sort of, right, didn't I
didn't make an appearance, right, my name did.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We've been trying to weasel you onto there for a while,
as it were, but they just keep big timing us, yep, Jason,
and then when they see it, they're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like, oh yeah, man, man, miss you. It's like old
what can we do? Jason yesterday outlined the story in
the Sugar Bowl. They were talking about Brian Kelly leaving
and Jason outlined the story of trying to block Carlos
Unloup that didn't go well. In turn, I got sacked
for it and Jason apologized, which was awesome. But there
was something else on that podcast that I listened to.
(02:27):
They had George Clooney on it. George Coloney is a
diehard Bengals fane. Travis said, you know, you've broke my
heart a couple times with the Bengals and the Chiefs,
and Travis, somep of the Bengals broke my heart because
they didn't draft me right out of their own backyard
and they went back and forth. But then Travis Kelce
said that in two and a half years with Taylor Swift,
they've never had an argument. I don't know if I
can buy that. Everyone has one every now and then, right,
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I think there's a difference between a disagreement and an argument. Right, Okay,
surely there's a difference between those two things, I would think.
So I'm sure they've had disagreements. I don't know that
they've had arguments. That's fair, is it? I mean, I'm
trying to think is it an argument or is it
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a disagreement of someone's just going to bed mad one night.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I was just gonna say, do to people that are
in grown up, mature relationships, have full blown arguments or
do you have disagreements in which you figure it out together?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, I think that the root of some arguments comes
down to money at times. I think money is a
very stressful thing in life, especially in today's economy.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And you know, one would argue that money's probably not
an issue for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, I did see a tweet about this that
said I probably wouldn't argue either. If our combined net
worth was one point seven billion dollars and she has
one point six billion, valid which is a fair point.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's a valid point. I probably wouldn't be arguing all
that much. Other new is it shootout week. We're gonna
talk to Keegan Nickison about this. But there's this post
going around Austin. Have you seen some of the things
that were happening in the world the last time you
see one at the Centa Center.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, let me give you some of these. Was I alive?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well? Here we got what year was it. Gas prices
were a dollar ten?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What year? I don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't know for sure, but I know gas prices
were a dollar ten you were alive. What year? I
don't know. I don't have the year. Find it out,
all right, I'm looking it up. I thought you were
prepared for this. Well, gas prices were a dollar ten.
Here's some other stuff. Wes Miller. This says two thousand
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and one. Okay, seventy five fifty five, so I would
have been six years old. Howkout this ahead? Wes Miller
was a senior in high school playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Could he coach then George Diking Bush much better now
than he does? What Bush was in his first year
of presidency? Yeah, I like that guy. He's funny guy.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
The first iPod, not the iPhone, the iPod came out.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you remember the ipodra? I? I remember Pod Mini,
the Nano, begging for one, and I remember my grandpa
bought me one one day. Yeah, just out of nowhere,
and my mom was mad at him. Oh he gave
in to me begging. Oh, but that was like, that
was one of the best days, one of the best
days of my life. When I got an iPod.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Last time you still have it?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
iPod? Nano shout out, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Tom Brady was in the midst of his first Super
Bowl season. Blockbuster still had five thousand stores. Wow, the
original Xbox had been on the market for not even
a month.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Is the single Blockbuster still out there?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
That's like worth taking a trip. It would be phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Shrek was released the same year You Got It Bad
by Usher was the top song.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
That's a great song.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
TSA Airport Security existed for less than a month. Yeah,
Kirk Krisa a big reason for that. Yeah, was eleven
months old.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Wikipedia did not even exist yet.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The last time you see one bend at the Centa,
Oregon is the site of the last plus phenomenal. There
was another video store too. There was Family Video, There
was Blockbuster and I there. Yeah, I know, there's Hollywood.
There was another one too that I seem to remember
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going to. I want to say the colors were like
red and black. I don't know. I can't remember that.
Going and running a video game, Man, what a day.
Was so excited to rent video games?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
That was like I wish I could still do this day.
I also wish you still got a disc man. That
just doesn't happen very much anymore. And now I do
love the the what's the word. I'm looking for the
convenience of just having everything on the boom, download it, boom,
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boom boom. That's great. However, that first time opening up
a fresh game, fresh copy of Madden.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh Man, taking the seal off, that was cool.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We've talked for a long time about you and I competing, Yeah,
in video games and posting it. We're gonna have to
do that eventually. Yeah, well I would need a system first.
If my wife is listening, I'm still looking for a
system for the Christmas is coming up. Christmas is coming.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I saw this. Now, I know you're not an Elf
on a shelf guy, but there's a lot of folks
out there that do the elf on a shelf. And
I saw this guy on social media that is taking
Elf on a shelf to another level and essentially blaming
the elf in front of his kids for everything. Sure,
so he went out and bought himself a PS five
and then that's funny, and then put the elf on
top of it. And then when the kids came down
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in the morning. The elf had a note that said,
I got your dad an early Christmas present. Dad just
bought it himself, blamed the ylf. Mom really don't have
anything to say about it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
As well, so mom can't say anything in that sense.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, now I'm thinking a little bit about this.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm thinking a little bit about this.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
If I lived with someone, I would get enough on
the shelf just for my own personal entertainment phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's good. There are good days and then there are
days where you wake up in the morning and you
maybe forgot things and you got to hurry around gott
of course wouldn't need to do any of that. Who's
in the car if maybe you played a uh, you know,
in college sports in today's era, the nil era. I
was listening to some Busting with the Boys. Diego Pavia
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was on there and Vanderbilts and all kinds of news
right now Austin one, Diego Pavia is making this like
Heisman campaign. But he was talking about the exit meetings
that happened now in college sports, and he was asked,
what are the exit meetings now like when I was playing?
Exit meting you go in, you talk to your coach.
Here's some things he did, well, here's some things you
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want to work on, and let's get back to work.
Diego Pavia said the exit meeting that they went through.
Now you write down on a piece of paper what
you liked, what you didn't liked, and then your price
to come back and play, and then you just turn
the paper in. What a world. Right, Hey, here's the money.
I want to come back and play. If not, I'll
just head elsewhere. But I did like this just insane.
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And then Pete Thamil is now talking that Vanderbilt explored
the possibility of playing a thirteenth game for this weekend
as a way to give one final showcase for the
college football Playoff. There was interest from the team, university officials,
the athletic department, and the coaching staff. Famba went on
to say, at the end of the day, it just
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was too late for this to happen. Is this something
Austin that you think we could see going forward? Not
only that Diego pave as a Heisman candidate, that's one
extra game he can play. We've talked yesterday about the
teams that are sitting idly by this week. Is that
something I believe they had reached out to Utah, they
reached out to Miami. Is that something you could see
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coming to Fruition in the future.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, unsanctioned games.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
There are no rules in college football. You're done right,
So you should never say never Like people are crazy
enough and the money is crazy enough. And yeah, finally,
it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Finally, this this clip of Scott Sadderfield from yesterday, and
he was talking about kind of the the coaching moves
in college football and and where teams are at. And
really Scott Saddlefield's comments were about the issues in place
with the college football schedule. And this now comes on
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on the heels and I can't believe I'm doing this,
but I'm gonna. I'm gonna speak up, and I'm gonna
take up for Ryan Day for a second here, you know,
because yesterday for Ryan Day, he lost his offensive coordinator,
wide receivers coach and in doing so, Chris Henry Jr.
Kind of on the fence. They I think you told
me they lost like thirteen combined stars from players.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The last I saw it was like thirteen stars worth
of wide receivers, yeah, and a running back and obviously
their offensive course.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And then the kid was a legend, legend bay Yeah,
who wanted to commission Ohio State, but his mom said, no,
You're going to Tennessee. Like there's just a lot going
on with the clock. And I actually I saw a
post about this yesterday and I'm looking at it today.
Like Ryan Day right now is trying to get ready
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for the Big Ten title game against the second ranked
team in the country and after that trying to win
a national title. Yeah, he's also probably fielding and taking
and making a bunch of calls for a vacant offensive
coordinator and wide receiver position.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I would okay, I'll let you finish the tweet or
finish the post.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And he's also probably trying to do everything he can
to reach out to Chris Henry Jr. Wrap up a
recruiting class, and now you're factoring in January. Second, the
portal opens up again, Like it's just it's too much
right now to do. Why are we making this harder
than it is? Why can't we just move the clock
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back in college athletics, Well, I agree with you, but
I don't There hasn't been a good enough reason. You
don't have to move it back.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You have to move the whole schedule up would be
the first Yeah. The way I see it, like with
the Ryan Day thing, is thankfully Brian Hartline is not
leaving until after the playoffs, So that's not an immediate need.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Right, But it's not, but you still need to, Like,
there are recruits that are saying, Okay, who's the next
guy gonna be sure? And I'm sure Chris Henry Jr.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Is like here, if you're Ryan Day, You're saying, look
at what I've done with and without Brian Hartline. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose some
guys because of Brian Hartline, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We prepared for the Sugar Bowl with the most of
the coaching staff still intact, but those coaches were gone
yeah after the season, So recruits coming in are like, well,
who's it gonna be? And even the coaches that were
still there, like, I'm sure Heartline wants to go out
winning the whole, the whole thing, but he also has
other responsibilities that need to be tended to.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Right now, It wouldn't surprise me if he takes some
guys with him. Sure, from Ohio State to USF it
wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm gonna steal a line
from Jalen Hurts here. Okay, keep the main thing the
main thing. I don't I don't like worry about Ohio
State not focusing on Indiana. Sure Like there is a
system in place. There is a coach in Ryan Day
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who's a great leader and has put together a great
staff where it's like maybe there's a couple more things
that come across his desk this week than normal, but
you're still recruiting and calling and talking to those people
throughout the week as you normally would during the season.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just more questions you have to answer her.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, and and they have the money to be able to,
you know, fix those issues. That's where Ohio State is
in a unique situation where other schools maybe are not sure.
Now the big thing is next year, roster retention is
going to be what they spend a lot of money on.
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Jereediah Smith's going to need a raise. Other guys are
going to need a raise, for sure. Ohio State has
done a great job of building their own like everyone
else to talk about them spending twenty million dollars on
the roster. It's twenty million dollars on guys that they
recruited and got to stay in Columbus so they can
still recruit and you know, they have a path forward
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with that. So I don't know that I'm I would
feel worried about it. Sure like it's He's the thought
is correct. There's just way too much stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This is This is about a minute and minute and
a half of what Scott Sodderfield had to say on
where essentially the clock is in college sports.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yes, there should be changes moving forward. I think everybody
agrees with that. The problem is everybody's got an idea,
you know, and you know, I've heard push everything back,
but i've heard also move everything up, you know, and
so one of those things need to happen. And you
know the problem is we look at the academic calendar
and try to try to, you know, get our rules
from that. We don't we where we are right now.
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We don't need to look at back at every calendar.
We need to look and see what fits the best
for the calendar. Because it's not fair for these these programs,
these coaches are leaving that are good programs, you're leaving,
probably because you're good or bad at this area. And
these kids, the ones that are good, don't deserve this
in my opinion, Like you know, you're you're not the
same team you were throughout to get to get there
to the playoffs. Now, I mean, it's it's it's a
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it's a weird situation. We're putting the guys into bad
positions and bad spots. Players included. The portal this year
is going to be January second. Well, these teams that
are in the playoffs are going to be playing during
that time. So if I'm a player on one of
those teams and if I want to go play somewhere,
what am I going? I gotta choose. Now, do I
get in the portal and go go try to go somewhere?
Do I try to win a national championship like that?
That's a bad predicament we're putting these players in, and
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so something certainly needs to change. But who's in charge?
Like who really is in charge? Like I don't know,
nobody knows, you know, it's not the coaches, Like who
is it? I mean, I think if you put a
bunch of coaches in the room that we'll get it
solved and get it and get it fixed. But they
don't want to do that. So something needs to happen.
Somebody needs to take charge and fix this so we
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don't have all this chaos that we're having right.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now, you know, Austin, I think the very end there
is is kind of the most telling who's really in charge.
You put everyone in the room, probably get it done,
but no one knows Hunt is really in charge.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
On Tuesday when you were out, I think I abloviated
for twenty minutes about college football and the madness of
it and the wake of the Lane Kiffin thing, and
how I think the chaos and the messiness of it
is part of what draws us into it. And I
think there is a level of that that the TV networks,
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who I think have the most control in college football,
don't want it to change. And so because of that,
and because it's constantly in the conversation that I don't
know that we'll get to a place now. I don't
even know that it will self destruct on it because
it's such a train wreck that you can't stop watching.
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It's like bad reality television. Sure, you can't stop watching it,
and those those. You know, I think that's a good
example of it. And you know, he talked about moving
it up, moving it back. I also played the clip
from Texas text coach Joey Maguire, who just got an
extension shout out to Penn State, and he talked about
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how the season should be over culminating in the National
Championship on New Year's Day and portal opens January second,
and you're not putting you're not going into the second
or the new semester with football still happening. And I
agree with that. If you can get it from like
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whatever it is August twenty third or twentieth through January first,
doesn't that make the most sense.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, it just there are so many things that make
more sense than the current why it's constructed.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And you know he talks about Sadderfield kind of talks
there about like the academic calendar. That's the other thing
he kind of said the quiet part out loud. Nobody
cares about the academic calendar, Like the kids don't care.
Nobody cares. Let's stop acting like it matters now. In
the example I just used, that was a way to
kind of bridge the gap and make it make sense
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for both. But it's just I don't know that. I
don't know that their solution until somebody takes charge. And
even in madness, even if you do. This is one
of my points Tuesday as well. Who do you trust
to be that person? Who do you trust to be
that commissioner? Yep, it's not like you know, I'm not
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gonna put Greg Sank in there. He's gonna do everything
slanted towards the SEC, the big ten at SEC. Who's
to say they're ever gonna actually get along because they
everybody's thinking, oh they'll work together, will they?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's insane, it is. It's madness, and I think again,
like Scott Sadderfield ended with who's really in charge? It's
just it's unbelievable, you know. It's seeing what's unfolded just
this week in college athletics and the coaching carousel and
everything else. We'll take our first break when we come back.
We'll catch up on a phone caller too. We'll get
ourselves back on the clock. We've got read and react.
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We've got some Joe Burrow audio that'll all lead up
to John Sheeran joining us at one o'clock right here
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
All right, welcome back, Cincy three sixty thanks to Skyline
Chili Football in the Natty on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's
Sports station. Have you gotten to the point yet, Austin,
like where you are not only worried about the Bengals bills?
Are you like scoreboard watching yet? Or are you giving
yourself another week to get to there? I kind of
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have a lot of hyd this stuff every week, all right.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So Colts.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So let's say, Steelers Ravens, who are we pulling for?
You're rooting for the Steelers? Okay, Okay, so Steelers need
to knock off the Ravens. Yeah, I just I've kind
of I've reserved this that if we get to a
point here on the station where the Bengals are going
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into the final four games of the regular season after
winning on Sunday, then I will I will buy fully
back in. I'm kind of dipping the toe back in
right now, it'd be cool. It's also hard to win
that many games in a row, regardless of who the
competition is. But I am allowing myself to be open
to the idea that they can make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I think the point I was I was making the
other day is when my team has a healthy Joe
Burrow starting at quarterback, I don't fear anyone. And that's
a really fun way to look at it from a
football standpoint, Like, Yeah, I know that the Buffalo game
is going to be difficult. I know that it's ever
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easy to go into Orchard Park in the last season,
in that stadium, in the cold, in December, in the
snow and win. Yeah, but I got Number nine all
my mind. There's a player to do it, and he's
gonna give us a chance in every game we play,
and that as a fan is incredibly fun for me.
And so if they make the playoffs, yeah, I would
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be thrilled. I want that to happen badly. I kind
of gave up on the season already, so my mindset is,
let's see if they can actually pull this off. I
don't know that I get nervous. I don't know that
I get, you know, upset or worried. I love this
this part of it and looking at the schedule like
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it's actually possible.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And there's a there's a there's an amount of pressure
on Buffalo this weekend.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Bill Barnwell wrote an article this morning for ESPN dot com.
He he listed the NFL players and coaches with currently
the most at stake. You know who number one is.
It's not Sean McDermott, Joe Brady. I remember how much
we talked about Joe Brady and who he's been in
the excitement around I mean earlier this year you talked
about Joe Brady as a potential head coaching candidate, but
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he has struggled as of late. Now it's true that
I don't think they have a number one wide receiver
in Buffalo. And we'll get to some read and react
and talk more about that team. And I think Dalton
Kincaid and his availability in this we are going to
be huge and we'll get to the reasons why. But
it's kind of falling apart for Joe Brady in this offense.
They are I believe eighth in EPA since that New
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England Patriots loss They've turned the ball over sixteen times
in eight games. That doubles their full season total from
last year. So they're turning the ball over more. They
don't have a true number one wide receiver. We've talked
about a game just a couple weeks ago where the
Texans sacked Josh Allen eight times. Talked about a team
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right now that's kind of reeling with some injuries. This
is a make no mistake about it. If you're listening
to radio in Buffalo this week, this is a massive
game for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah. And if you remember, we had the quote from
Sean McDermott earlier this week that said, we know our
backs are against the wall, Like, yeah, they're eight and four,
they're in a spot to make the playoffs, but they
know that they have to be a better football team.
You want to know a crazy stat. I saw this
from our friend of the show, Joe Goodbary. The Bills
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have a lower tackling grade on Pro Football Focus than
the Bengals. Oh my goodness, they have missed, that's impossible,
fifteen point four percent of their tackle attempts as a team.
The Bengals have missed thirteen point seven percent. Wow, So
the Bills have missed just under two percent more tackles
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than the Bengals. That's insane, Like, you would never have
believed that. Now. I haven't watched every snap of every
Bills game. I've watched them enough to know that they
have some issues, But like, that's kind of crazy, right,
I mean? And also I think goes to show how
well the Bengals defense has figured it out over the
last three weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That is a insane st is that ridiculous. I would
have never guessed that. Yeah, with how bad this team
has been at tackling, John is calling in, Hello.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
John, Just hold on one second, guys, I'm making a
bet over in the Buffalo Cincinnati game on Sunday. That's
a good team could tackle with those two quarterbacks. Let's
score a lot of points up there.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's a good bet.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Absolutely, I think.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know the interesting thing about the Ravens and Steelers.
They're treading in the wrong direction, and I think you
want to see them maybe split the two games they
play each other. That would give them each a seventh loss. Obviously,
the Bengals run the table they get to.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Nine and eight.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The other thing is Baltimore was a tough schedule. They
still have to play the Patriots, Packers, Yeah, Steelers twice
and the Bengals. Pittsburgh is a slightly easier schedule, but
they have to go to Cleveland, which is never easy,
and they also play the Lions, who were in content
for a playoff spot, and they have to play Baltimore twice.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I really think that the Bengals on the table.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're going to get in at nine to eight, which
would be fantastic.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Basically, have to run the table in Baltimore and Pittsburgh
have to split with one another and lose one more
of those games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, and you feel great.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They're in a better spot right now than they were
a year ago. It's crazy, oh.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
A question, Yeah, because they did run the table last
year and they lost tie breaker with I forget which
team they had lost to all the Chargers, and they
were a game behind the Chargers. So that was done
earlier in the season. The thing I wanted to chime in,
and this is coming from left field, is Kenny Anderson's
Hall of Fame did I actually worked with three of.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The Hall of Fame voters.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
We had a radio show five ten years ago based
on the Hall of Fame. It was called Talk of Fame,
and I reached out to them. And the way this
works is there's fifty voters and you need forty votes
to get in. Now, in this group of five, they
can only vote for three at the most, So the
voters can only vote for three at the most. Last year,
Earling Shark was the only recipient out of the Veterans
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Committee group, so they could have three of these players,
slash coaches, slash owners get into the Hall of Fame
this time around. Obviously, everybody thinks Belichick's a lock, but
in talking with some of the Hall of Fame voters,
there's a little apprehension the cheating scandal in two thousand
and six, obviously Spygate, and also the fact that they
think he may want to come back or I know
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he wants to come back to the NFL. If there's
an inkling that he's coming back to the NFL, they'll
hold off and putting him into the Hall of Fame
because they kind of got burned with Joe Gibbs years ago.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
He retired after.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Ninety two, and he came back in two thousand and four,
So you know, they Bill Parcells didn't get into his
first year of eligibility. The owner, Robert Kraft has been
so neaty trying to get into the Hall of Fame,
they may just push back against him. For theater, you
want to see Belichick and Craft get in together because
of their icy relationship. But in terms of the three
players that we're talking about, Elsie Greenwood would be the
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eleventh different starter from the Steelers in the seventies to make.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think they're over representative, to be quite honest with you,
and you look at Roger Craig. The forty nine Ers
in the eighties only have two offensive players in the
Hall of Fame, Joe Montan and Jerry Rice. I don't
count Steve Young because we're more than nineties, So I
think Roger Craig is a real chance. As far as
Kenny Anderson, a comp that he played against would be
Bob Greasy, who's in the Hall of Fame. But Grease
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he won two Super Bowls. But Kenny Anderson was as
good a player as him, won four passing titles and
an MVP. And I think a reasonable comp of the
modern era is Drew Brees, accurate passer, tremendous passes. The
edge I get to Kenny Anderson is greasy. Played in Miami,
that's a lot easier to play than in Cincinnati, where
you're playing in a minus sixty nine win show game
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against the Chargers. And obviously Breese played in a dome.
So I think Anderson does have a chance to get in.
It's going to depend on what happens with Belichick and Craft,
because then they can put three players in if so be.
But you need forty of the fifty votes to get in,
and no one knows what anyone's voting for because it's
done secretly, like uh, you know, like the.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Pope, secret balance, secret ballots. John, thank you so much. Man,
have a great one, you two guys. Yeah, very very
interesting as it relates to the dynamic of Kenny Anderson. Uh,
we'll get a break. Let's read and react as it
relates to Bengals Bills next. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Feel tempts now? He goes so? Does coat in there?
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The way up Kaavy.
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be Cooper Flag. That was because I know they played
the Heat last night, and I believe leave the Mavericks
won the game.
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Speaker 2 (29:33):
Didn't they like have the best start since like the
Jordan era. Yikes? Yep, all right, we're.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Just good man.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
As I've said before, when we win, we're going back
to the finals. When we lose, it's basketball season starts
in February.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Now, before we get to read and react, we buried
the lead today, which is we talked a lot of
Kyle Schoberg. Yesterday we didn't mention yet Today the Emelio
Pegan is back with the Reds. Yeah, are we happy
about that? I mean, he's now what the second highest
paid Red on a two year deal.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He's he's a good player. Okay, he pitched really well
last year. Okay, it seemed like a relatively good deal
for both sides. He is, by my count, the yes,
the he's actually the highest paid Red at the moment,
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behind jam Or Candelario. But he's not a Red gosh
and soon to be Kyle Shwarer. So in terms of
money that's guaranteed the Reds players this year, Emilio Pagan
is at ten million. Jambers above that, Jambers at sixteen million.
Deal that was Hunter Green eight, Key, Brian Hayes seven,
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Jose Travino five and down down the line.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Bengals Bills, Sunday afternoon. It's Thursday. Can we do a
little read and react.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Let's do some red and react. Still waiting on that.
React on the cool sound effects.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
React for that, react react react.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Hopefully it sounds nothing like that, but here we go.
All right, we've talked about how good the Bengals have
been in the month of December. Oh, how about this
Joe Burrow Tony has the best career completion percentage seventy
one point one, pass yards per game two ninety six
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point zero and passer rating one oh five point four
in December or later since the nineteen seventy merger. Wholl
Burrow has a seven eighty three win percentage in December
or later, the fourth highest of any quarterback since nineteen
seventy with at least fifteen such starts.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, that's seven eighty three. Is gonna have to go
to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Well, it's impossible to get to a thousand if you've
already lost one.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We're gonna need that all the way up there West.
He hasn't lost in December yet this year. I'm talking
about this year, this year going forward.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Okay, that makes me.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We're going to be at one hundred. I think it's
it's such a testament to Joe Burrow and I look
back to last year. And that's what makes it even
more impressive to me, Austin, is it's not like we've
seen this Bengals team get to like December January and
just like be cruising for playoff seating. When I think
of Joe Burrow and the Bengals. It's playing to get
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into the playoffs, especially last year, and that means high leverage,
high stakes, high stress games. And you're saying he's got
the best completion percentage, passing yards per game and passer
rating in December or later since nineteen seventy. That speaks
to a quarterback who is great when his team needs
him to be the most. No garbage, garbage stats for
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Joe Burrow. His greatness is on display when the team
needs it the most.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Joe Burrow is, now, this is a this is the statistic,
and I'm also going to quiz you at the end. Okay,
Joe Burrow is two to zero against Josh Allen in
career head to have matchups, including the playoffs. Okay, he's
looking to become the second quarterback to be three and
oh or better versus Josh Allen. Who is the other
one who is four and oh against Josh Allen. So
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I hear you typing, don't cheat?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I was saying, so this year Josh Allen beat Mahomes,
So it can't be Mahomes, right.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's not Mahomes. This quarterback is four and oh.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay all time against Josh Allen looked, I looked at.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No longer is an active player.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Mahomes has Allen's beaten Mahomes four out of five in
the regular season, but has never beat him in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yikes, Oh, man, I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Know Tom Brady four and oh in his career against
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow trying to get to three and oh.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now these I mean, it's not like Burrow plays against Allen.
He plays against the defense of the Bills. Sure, but again,
I go back to the high leverage, high stress that
Joe Burrow plays with. It seems like you get the
best Burrow against the best competition. Josh Allen is considered
one of the best in the league. Last year, he
was the MVP of the league. I would see this
Austin as a chance for Joe Burrow to say, hey,
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you know what, I know, I missed a lot of
this year. I know Josh Allen won the MVP last year,
but let's not forget about me. I think that's what
he has a chance to do on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Speaking of Josh Allen, Josh has had four home games
with at least two hundred and thirty passing yards and
has averaged two hundred and seventy six point five passing
yards at home this season. That's the fourth highest in
the NFL in twenty twenty five. Okay, Allen's passer rating
of one fifteen point nine win playing at home is
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the second highest among qualified quarterbacks. The Bengals are allowing
two hundred and fifty six point eight passing yards per game,
the most in the NFL in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Bills have four losses this year. I believe the Patriots
at the only time they've lost at home. Everything else
has been on the road. It is just it's different
in Buffalo. You know, watch it all last week and
I know it didn't show in Josh Allen's passing stats.
The wind in the conditions against the Steelers were insane
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last week. That's different if you don't play in that
all the time. I genuinely think that Buffalo has an
advantage when it comes to home games late in the
year because of the weather in Orchard Park. Josh Allen
has managed that for much of his career, and he's
played in it the most, which I think just gives
him an unbelievable level of comfort. At home. Now, when
you do have that comfort at home, I think a
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couple things go for it. Won the running game and
James Cook, I think is one of the most undervalued
running backs in the NFL. He should be talked about
more for how good he is. And the other is
a player that was questionable, but this team lacks playmakers.
Austin Dalton Kin Kate's health is massive for Josh Allen
because he's such a target for him. But it's playing
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in those elements, being comfortable in them, but it's also
being able to rely on a running game as well.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
In my opinion, Joe Burrow has had thirteen games with
at least thirty five pass attempts since the start of
last season, including forty six attempts on Thanksgiving Night against
the Ravens. Only Patrick Mahomes eighteen and Bo Nicks fourteen
have had more such games in that span. The Bengals
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pass on sixty two point one percent of their plays
in twenty twenty five, the fifth highest rate in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I think this is one of the hardest stats to
judge because we're never going to have an understanding, Austin
of what plays are actually called a pass out of
the huddle and what plays are checked two way pass
or many plays in the NFL you have a run
pass option tagged, so you've got a running play tag
but if you get a certain look, you can throw
the ball out to one of your receivers. I think
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the pass attempts is hard to judge when it comes
to the NFL because you just don't know on every play.
There's multiple plays called you have checks. Joe Burrow does
a lot at the line of scrimmage, I think, and
I'm I'm guilty of it as well. I get caught
up in it at times. In thirty two and a
half forty six for a game, the first game back
is a lot. But I do think Joe Burrow plays
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a large role in how many times he throws the
ball two more.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
James Cook or he is the Bill's running back, ranks
second in the National Football League with twenty eight rushing yards.
He has already surpassed his previous career high of one
twenty two rushing yards, which he set in twenty twenty three.
I guess that's really just a fact. I don't know
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that there's much to react to other than he he's
pretty damn good react to this. The Houston Texans sacked
Josh Allen eight times. They didn't run the ball enough
last week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. What they do?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They gave James Cook thirty two carries and he ran
it for one hundred and forty four yards. And I
looked at this last night as well. I was talking
about it. Ray Davis also got nine carries. So the
game after Josh Allen got sack day times. What was
Joe Brady's answer? They had fifty one rush attempts against
the Pittsburgh Steelers for two hundred and forty nine yards
as a team only drop back to throw at twenty
three times. I as I said before, I think James
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Cook's one of the most underrated backs in the National
Football League and I would expect a heavy dose of
him on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Last one. Okay, Jamar Chase needs only twenty nine receiving
yards insane to reach one thousand for the twenty twenty
five season. Chase would become only the fifth player in
NFL history to have one thousand or more receiving yards
in each of his first five seasons, joining Randy Moss.
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Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans, and Adriel Jeremiah Green.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Wow, it's weird because at times I don't even feel
like he's been as dominant this year, But you look
at the stats and again he's right there and he's
done it, and I think it's the biggest testament to him.
He's done it for a large portion of the year
without Joe Burrow. He's done it with Jake Browning, he's
done it with Joe Flacco. And yet you pull up
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the list of leaders in the National Football League, he's
fourth in receiving yards, fourth in receiving yards, second in receptions.
He leads all wide receivers. He's only second to Trey
McBride of the Arizona Cardinals, their tight end. It speaks
to the greatness of Jamar Chase because he's been able
to do it without Joe Burrow playing a majority of
the games.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
What I think is interesting about Burrow being back is
we have seen, for the most part in his absence
Jamar Chase kind of work. The short yardage and intermediate yardage.
We saw pretty early on a couple of deep shots
to Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow. So I wonder if
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we'll see more of that now. I don't know if
if the weather's going to allow such plays on Sunday
against Baltimore against Buffalo, but I feel like that's kind
of part of Jamar that they haven't unlocked yet this
year is a ton of the deep balls and him
stretching the field, and hopefully if Higgins is able to
go that creates he's got a more of an advantage. Yep,
but I did. I do think that's something we haven't
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seen a ton of so far this season.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Let's finish up the hour when we come back with
just a few minutes of what Joe Burrow had to
say yesterday. We'll do that and then we'll turn it
to John Sharon at one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back. It is since he three
to sixty year listening on this the home of the Bengals,
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esports covering the Bengals, will join us at one o'clock.
Before we get to that, a lot has been made
about the comeback of Joe Burrow. We're going to talk
to Bob Manjeen later in the show about that today
and just what goes into the comeback from a mental
and physical side of things. But one of the things
that has gone into this Joe Burrow comeback is that
insert that he's wearing in his shoe. Joe Burrow spoke
about this yesterday. Here's what you had to say.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
What is in your shoe and that's helping you with
your toel?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (41:05):
Carbon fiber plate and custom orthought.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
What how does that help your your toil?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Well, they just can't shoe can't bend it because my
toe can't go backwards right now, still a little early
for that, So just keeps it firm and not bending
it back.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Is it comfortable?
Speaker 8 (41:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Are you wearing different cleats now than you were before.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
Before the injury? Yeah? Yeah, these are the ones that
I feel like give me enough space and stability to
do what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Do you walk around in different shoes just like at home?
Speaker 7 (41:43):
At home, I'm just barefoot, but yeah, I try to
be in the cleats as little as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Did you settle on the sneakers being like the swapping
out and kinda why didn't you figure out that was
a good solution for you on the sideline.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
Well, I take it off throughout practice every now and
then just to let it breathe and let it relax
a little bit. And these are what I put on,
So I figured I'd just keep it the same.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Whether obviously it was cold in Baltimore, but it's supposed
to be like really cold in Buffalo. Does that impact
the shoe work and what's in it and your toe
at all or not?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Really? We shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
How difficult was it to get used to the insert.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
It was certainly a process to figure out what worked
best for me and what was most comfortable and at
the same time safe. But we we worked through that
and a lot of different people were involved and we
got the right.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
So that is what Joe Burr had to say. Obviously
it's not comfortable, or else you wouldn't be changing in
and wearing shoes on the uh on the sideline. But
a little as to go as it's not just showing
up in the cleats on and plane. There's a lot
that is going into Joe Burrow and his availability to
get back and play for this team. Good insight there.
Also loved his insight on Lane Kiffin because he didn't
really have much to say about Lane Kiffin. He's a
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good coach, a good coach. Didn't know much about the process.
I could have filled him in on some of that
if he needed any of that. John Scheron will fill
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We've got John sheeron at one o'clock. He'll join us
to talk all begles and bills. We've got Key get
Nick us in at two o'clock. He'll get us ready
for the crossdown shootout. I'm talking a little U see
football signing Day and our guy Bob Man Jean from
the University of Cincinnati and Novacare will join us in
the third hour as we discuss a little bit about
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the trainer's role in a player coming back from injury.
We'll look at what Joe Burrow was able to do
and how big of an impact the trainer truly has
in something like that. We've also got some Joe Burrow
audio from yesterday that we'll get to. We've got to
read and react today. We've got to talk a little
bit more about the Buffalo Bills from now until three o'clock,
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and of course we'll welcome you to join us as well.
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. Let's jump
right into the top sports stories happening right now. Austin. Yesterday,
I made an appearance on the New Heights podcast with
Jason and Travis Kelsey. Well sort of, right, didn't I
didn't make an appearance, right, my name did.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We've been trying to weasel you onto there for a while,
as it were, but they just keep big timing us, yep, Jason,
and then when they see it, they're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like, oh yeah, man, man, miss you. It's like old
what can we do? Jason yesterday outlined the story in
the Sugar Bowl. They were talking about Brian Kelly leaving
and Jason outlined the story of trying to block Carlos
Unloup that didn't go well. In turn, I got sacked
for it and Jason apologized, which was awesome. But there
was something else on that podcast that I listened to.
(02:27):
They had George Clooney on it. George Coloney is a
diehard Bengals fane. Travis said, you know, you've broke my
heart a couple times with the Bengals and the Chiefs,
and Travis, somep of the Bengals broke my heart because
they didn't draft me right out of their own backyard
and they went back and forth. But then Travis Kelce
said that in two and a half years with Taylor Swift,
they've never had an argument. I don't know if I
can buy that. Everyone has one every now and then, right,
(02:50):
I think there's a difference between a disagreement and an argument. Right, Okay,
surely there's a difference between those two things, I would think.
So I'm sure they've had disagreements. I don't know that
they've had arguments. That's fair, is it? I mean, I'm
trying to think is it an argument or is it
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a disagreement of someone's just going to bed mad one night.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I was just gonna say, do to people that are
in grown up, mature relationships, have full blown arguments or
do you have disagreements in which you figure it out together?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, I think that the root of some arguments comes
down to money at times. I think money is a
very stressful thing in life, especially in today's economy.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And you know, one would argue that money's probably not
an issue for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You know, I did see a tweet about this that
said I probably wouldn't argue either. If our combined net
worth was one point seven billion dollars and she has
one point six billion, valid which is a fair point.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's a valid point. I probably wouldn't be arguing all
that much. Other new is it shootout week. We're gonna
talk to Keegan Nickison about this. But there's this post
going around Austin. Have you seen some of the things
that were happening in the world the last time you
see one at the Centa Center.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, let me give you some of these. Was I alive?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well? Here we got what year was it. Gas prices
were a dollar ten?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What year? I don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't know for sure, but I know gas prices
were a dollar ten you were alive. What year? I
don't know. I don't have the year. Find it out,
all right, I'm looking it up. I thought you were
prepared for this. Well, gas prices were a dollar ten.
Here's some other stuff. Wes Miller. This says two thousand
(04:39):
and one. Okay, seventy five fifty five, so I would
have been six years old. Howkout this ahead? Wes Miller
was a senior in high school playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Could he coach then George Diking Bush much better now
than he does? What Bush was in his first year
of presidency? Yeah, I like that guy. He's funny guy.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
The first iPod, not the iPhone, the iPod came out.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you remember the ipodra? I? I remember Pod Mini,
the Nano, begging for one, and I remember my grandpa
bought me one one day. Yeah, just out of nowhere,
and my mom was mad at him. Oh he gave
in to me begging. Oh, but that was like, that
was one of the best days, one of the best
days of my life. When I got an iPod.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Last time you still have it?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
iPod? Nano shout out, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Tom Brady was in the midst of his first Super
Bowl season. Blockbuster still had five thousand stores. Wow, the
original Xbox had been on the market for not even
a month.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Is the single Blockbuster still out there?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
That's like worth taking a trip. It would be phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Shrek was released the same year You Got It Bad
by Usher was the top song.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
That's a great song.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
TSA Airport Security existed for less than a month. Yeah,
Kirk Krisa a big reason for that. Yeah, was eleven
months old.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Wikipedia did not even exist yet.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The last time you see one bend at the Centa,
Oregon is the site of the last plus phenomenal. There
was another video store too. There was Family Video, There
was Blockbuster and I there. Yeah, I know, there's Hollywood.
There was another one too that I seem to remember
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going to. I want to say the colors were like
red and black. I don't know. I can't remember that.
Going and running a video game, Man, what a day.
Was so excited to rent video games?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
That was like I wish I could still do this day.
I also wish you still got a disc man. That
just doesn't happen very much anymore. And now I do
love the the what's the word. I'm looking for the
convenience of just having everything on the boom, download it, boom,
(07:00):
boom boom. That's great. However, that first time opening up
a fresh game, fresh copy of Madden.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh Man, taking the seal off, that was cool.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We've talked for a long time about you and I competing, Yeah,
in video games and posting it. We're gonna have to
do that eventually. Yeah, well I would need a system first.
If my wife is listening, I'm still looking for a
system for the Christmas is coming up. Christmas is coming.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I saw this. Now, I know you're not an Elf
on a shelf guy, but there's a lot of folks
out there that do the elf on a shelf. And
I saw this guy on social media that is taking
Elf on a shelf to another level and essentially blaming
the elf in front of his kids for everything. Sure,
so he went out and bought himself a PS five
and then that's funny, and then put the elf on
top of it. And then when the kids came down
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in the morning. The elf had a note that said,
I got your dad an early Christmas present. Dad just
bought it himself, blamed the ylf. Mom really don't have
anything to say about it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
As well, so mom can't say anything in that sense.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, now I'm thinking a little bit about this.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm thinking a little bit about this.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
If I lived with someone, I would get enough on
the shelf just for my own personal entertainment phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's good. There are good days and then there are
days where you wake up in the morning and you
maybe forgot things and you got to hurry around gott
of course wouldn't need to do any of that. Who's
in the car if maybe you played a uh, you know,
in college sports in today's era, the nil era. I
was listening to some Busting with the Boys. Diego Pavia
(08:34):
was on there and Vanderbilts and all kinds of news
right now Austin one, Diego Pavia is making this like
Heisman campaign. But he was talking about the exit meetings
that happened now in college sports, and he was asked,
what are the exit meetings now like when I was playing?
Exit meting you go in, you talk to your coach.
Here's some things he did, well, here's some things you
(08:54):
want to work on, and let's get back to work.
Diego Pavia said the exit meeting that they went through.
Now you write down on a piece of paper what
you liked, what you didn't liked, and then your price
to come back and play, and then you just turn
the paper in. What a world. Right, Hey, here's the money.
I want to come back and play. If not, I'll
just head elsewhere. But I did like this just insane.
(09:19):
And then Pete Thamil is now talking that Vanderbilt explored
the possibility of playing a thirteenth game for this weekend
as a way to give one final showcase for the
college football Playoff. There was interest from the team, university officials,
the athletic department, and the coaching staff. Famba went on
to say, at the end of the day, it just
(09:40):
was too late for this to happen. Is this something
Austin that you think we could see going forward? Not
only that Diego pave as a Heisman candidate, that's one
extra game he can play. We've talked yesterday about the
teams that are sitting idly by this week. Is that
something I believe they had reached out to Utah, they
reached out to Miami. Is that something you could see
(10:00):
coming to Fruition in the future.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, unsanctioned games.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
There are no rules in college football. You're done right,
So you should never say never Like people are crazy
enough and the money is crazy enough. And yeah, finally,
it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Finally, this this clip of Scott Sadderfield from yesterday, and
he was talking about kind of the the coaching moves
in college football and and where teams are at. And
really Scott Saddlefield's comments were about the issues in place
with the college football schedule. And this now comes on
(10:40):
on the heels and I can't believe I'm doing this,
but I'm gonna. I'm gonna speak up, and I'm gonna
take up for Ryan Day for a second here, you know,
because yesterday for Ryan Day, he lost his offensive coordinator,
wide receivers coach and in doing so, Chris Henry Jr.
Kind of on the fence. They I think you told
me they lost like thirteen combined stars from players.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The last I saw it was like thirteen stars worth
of wide receivers, yeah, and a running back and obviously
their offensive course.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And then the kid was a legend, legend bay Yeah,
who wanted to commission Ohio State, but his mom said, no,
You're going to Tennessee. Like there's just a lot going
on with the clock. And I actually I saw a
post about this yesterday and I'm looking at it today.
Like Ryan Day right now is trying to get ready
(11:28):
for the Big Ten title game against the second ranked
team in the country and after that trying to win
a national title. Yeah, he's also probably fielding and taking
and making a bunch of calls for a vacant offensive
coordinator and wide receiver position.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I would okay, I'll let you finish the tweet or
finish the post.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And he's also probably trying to do everything he can
to reach out to Chris Henry Jr. Wrap up a
recruiting class, and now you're factoring in January. Second, the
portal opens up again, Like it's just it's too much
right now to do. Why are we making this harder
than it is? Why can't we just move the clock
(12:09):
back in college athletics, Well, I agree with you, but
I don't There hasn't been a good enough reason. You
don't have to move it back.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You have to move the whole schedule up would be
the first Yeah. The way I see it, like with
the Ryan Day thing, is thankfully Brian Hartline is not
leaving until after the playoffs, So that's not an immediate need.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Right, But it's not, but you still need to, Like,
there are recruits that are saying, Okay, who's the next
guy gonna be sure? And I'm sure Chris Henry Jr.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Is like here, if you're Ryan Day, You're saying, look
at what I've done with and without Brian Hartline. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose some
guys because of Brian Hartline, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We prepared for the Sugar Bowl with the most of
the coaching staff still intact, but those coaches were gone
yeah after the season, So recruits coming in are like, well,
who's it gonna be? And even the coaches that were
still there, like, I'm sure Heartline wants to go out
winning the whole, the whole thing, but he also has
other responsibilities that need to be tended to.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Right now, It wouldn't surprise me if he takes some
guys with him. Sure, from Ohio State to USF it
wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm gonna steal a line
from Jalen Hurts here. Okay, keep the main thing the
main thing. I don't I don't like worry about Ohio
State not focusing on Indiana. Sure Like there is a
system in place. There is a coach in Ryan Day
(13:29):
who's a great leader and has put together a great
staff where it's like maybe there's a couple more things
that come across his desk this week than normal, but
you're still recruiting and calling and talking to those people
throughout the week as you normally would during the season.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just more questions you have to answer her.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, and and they have the money to be able to,
you know, fix those issues. That's where Ohio State is
in a unique situation where other schools maybe are not sure.
Now the big thing is next year, roster retention is
going to be what they spend a lot of money on.
(14:06):
Jereediah Smith's going to need a raise. Other guys are
going to need a raise, for sure. Ohio State has
done a great job of building their own like everyone
else to talk about them spending twenty million dollars on
the roster. It's twenty million dollars on guys that they
recruited and got to stay in Columbus so they can
still recruit and you know, they have a path forward
(14:26):
with that. So I don't know that I'm I would
feel worried about it. Sure like it's He's the thought
is correct. There's just way too much stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This is This is about a minute and minute and
a half of what Scott Sodderfield had to say on
where essentially the clock is in college sports.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yes, there should be changes moving forward. I think everybody
agrees with that. The problem is everybody's got an idea,
you know, and you know, I've heard push everything back,
but i've heard also move everything up, you know, and
so one of those things need to happen. And you
know the problem is we look at the academic calendar
and try to try to, you know, get our rules
from that. We don't we where we are right now.
(15:04):
We don't need to look at back at every calendar.
We need to look and see what fits the best
for the calendar. Because it's not fair for these these programs,
these coaches are leaving that are good programs, you're leaving,
probably because you're good or bad at this area. And
these kids, the ones that are good, don't deserve this
in my opinion, Like you know, you're you're not the
same team you were throughout to get to get there
to the playoffs. Now, I mean, it's it's it's a
(15:25):
it's a weird situation. We're putting the guys into bad
positions and bad spots. Players included. The portal this year
is going to be January second. Well, these teams that
are in the playoffs are going to be playing during
that time. So if I'm a player on one of
those teams and if I want to go play somewhere,
what am I going? I gotta choose. Now, do I
get in the portal and go go try to go somewhere?
Do I try to win a national championship like that?
That's a bad predicament we're putting these players in, and
(15:48):
so something certainly needs to change. But who's in charge?
Like who really is in charge? Like I don't know,
nobody knows, you know, it's not the coaches, Like who
is it? I mean, I think if you put a
bunch of coaches in the room that we'll get it
solved and get it and get it fixed. But they
don't want to do that. So something needs to happen.
Somebody needs to take charge and fix this so we
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don't have all this chaos that we're having right.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now, you know, Austin, I think the very end there
is is kind of the most telling who's really in charge.
You put everyone in the room, probably get it done,
but no one knows Hunt is really in charge.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
On Tuesday when you were out, I think I abloviated
for twenty minutes about college football and the madness of
it and the wake of the Lane Kiffin thing, and
how I think the chaos and the messiness of it
is part of what draws us into it. And I
think there is a level of that that the TV networks,
(16:43):
who I think have the most control in college football,
don't want it to change. And so because of that,
and because it's constantly in the conversation that I don't
know that we'll get to a place now. I don't
even know that it will self destruct on it because
it's such a train wreck that you can't stop watching.
(17:05):
It's like bad reality television. Sure, you can't stop watching it,
and those those. You know, I think that's a good
example of it. And you know, he talked about moving
it up, moving it back. I also played the clip
from Texas text coach Joey Maguire, who just got an
extension shout out to Penn State, and he talked about
(17:26):
how the season should be over culminating in the National
Championship on New Year's Day and portal opens January second,
and you're not putting you're not going into the second
or the new semester with football still happening. And I
agree with that. If you can get it from like
(17:46):
whatever it is August twenty third or twentieth through January first,
doesn't that make the most sense.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, it just there are so many things that make
more sense than the current why it's constructed.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And you know he talks about Sadderfield kind of talks
there about like the academic calendar. That's the other thing
he kind of said the quiet part out loud. Nobody
cares about the academic calendar, Like the kids don't care.
Nobody cares. Let's stop acting like it matters now. In
the example I just used, that was a way to
kind of bridge the gap and make it make sense
(18:21):
for both. But it's just I don't know that. I
don't know that their solution until somebody takes charge. And
even in madness, even if you do. This is one
of my points Tuesday as well. Who do you trust
to be that person? Who do you trust to be
that commissioner? Yep, it's not like you know, I'm not
(18:42):
gonna put Greg Sank in there. He's gonna do everything
slanted towards the SEC, the big ten at SEC. Who's
to say they're ever gonna actually get along because they
everybody's thinking, oh they'll work together, will they?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's insane, it is. It's madness, and I think again,
like Scott Sadderfield ended with who's really in charge? It's
just it's unbelievable, you know. It's seeing what's unfolded just
this week in college athletics and the coaching carousel and
everything else. We'll take our first break when we come back.
We'll catch up on a phone caller too. We'll get
ourselves back on the clock. We've got read and react.
(19:18):
We've got some Joe Burrow audio that'll all lead up
to John Sheeran joining us at one o'clock right here
on Cincy three to sixty on the Home of the Bengals,
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh in the NATI, brought to you by Postman Law
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
All right, welcome back, Cincy three sixty thanks to Skyline
Chili Football in the Natty on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's
Sports station. Have you gotten to the point yet, Austin,
like where you are not only worried about the Bengals bills?
Are you like scoreboard watching yet? Or are you giving
yourself another week to get to there? I kind of
(19:58):
have a lot of hyd this stuff every week, all right.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So Colts.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So let's say, Steelers Ravens, who are we pulling for?
You're rooting for the Steelers? Okay, Okay, so Steelers need
to knock off the Ravens. Yeah, I just I've kind
of I've reserved this that if we get to a
point here on the station where the Bengals are going
(20:22):
into the final four games of the regular season after
winning on Sunday, then I will I will buy fully
back in. I'm kind of dipping the toe back in
right now, it'd be cool. It's also hard to win
that many games in a row, regardless of who the
competition is. But I am allowing myself to be open
to the idea that they can make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I think the point I was I was making the
other day is when my team has a healthy Joe
Burrow starting at quarterback, I don't fear anyone. And that's
a really fun way to look at it from a
football standpoint, Like, Yeah, I know that the Buffalo game
is going to be difficult. I know that it's ever
(21:00):
easy to go into Orchard Park in the last season,
in that stadium, in the cold, in December, in the
snow and win. Yeah, but I got Number nine all
my mind. There's a player to do it, and he's
gonna give us a chance in every game we play,
and that as a fan is incredibly fun for me.
And so if they make the playoffs, yeah, I would
(21:21):
be thrilled. I want that to happen badly. I kind
of gave up on the season already, so my mindset is,
let's see if they can actually pull this off. I
don't know that I get nervous. I don't know that
I get, you know, upset or worried. I love this
this part of it and looking at the schedule like
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it's actually possible.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And there's a there's a there's an amount of pressure
on Buffalo this weekend.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Bill Barnwell wrote an article this morning for ESPN dot com.
He he listed the NFL players and coaches with currently
the most at stake. You know who number one is.
It's not Sean McDermott, Joe Brady. I remember how much
we talked about Joe Brady and who he's been in
the excitement around I mean earlier this year you talked
about Joe Brady as a potential head coaching candidate, but
(22:07):
he has struggled as of late. Now it's true that
I don't think they have a number one wide receiver
in Buffalo. And we'll get to some read and react
and talk more about that team. And I think Dalton
Kincaid and his availability in this we are going to
be huge and we'll get to the reasons why. But
it's kind of falling apart for Joe Brady in this offense.
They are I believe eighth in EPA since that New
(22:31):
England Patriots loss They've turned the ball over sixteen times
in eight games. That doubles their full season total from
last year. So they're turning the ball over more. They
don't have a true number one wide receiver. We've talked
about a game just a couple weeks ago where the
Texans sacked Josh Allen eight times. Talked about a team
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right now that's kind of reeling with some injuries. This
is a make no mistake about it. If you're listening
to radio in Buffalo this week, this is a massive
game for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah. And if you remember, we had the quote from
Sean McDermott earlier this week that said, we know our
backs are against the wall, Like, yeah, they're eight and four,
they're in a spot to make the playoffs, but they
know that they have to be a better football team.
You want to know a crazy stat. I saw this
from our friend of the show, Joe Goodbary. The Bills
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have a lower tackling grade on Pro Football Focus than
the Bengals. Oh my goodness, they have missed, that's impossible,
fifteen point four percent of their tackle attempts as a team.
The Bengals have missed thirteen point seven percent. Wow, So
the Bills have missed just under two percent more tackles
(23:47):
than the Bengals. That's insane, Like, you would never have
believed that. Now. I haven't watched every snap of every
Bills game. I've watched them enough to know that they
have some issues, But like, that's kind of crazy, right,
I mean? And also I think goes to show how
well the Bengals defense has figured it out over the
last three weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That is a insane st is that ridiculous. I would
have never guessed that. Yeah, with how bad this team
has been at tackling, John is calling in, Hello.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
John, Just hold on one second, guys, I'm making a
bet over in the Buffalo Cincinnati game on Sunday. That's
a good team could tackle with those two quarterbacks. Let's
score a lot of points up there.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's a good bet.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Absolutely, I think.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know the interesting thing about the Ravens and Steelers.
They're treading in the wrong direction, and I think you
want to see them maybe split the two games they
play each other. That would give them each a seventh loss. Obviously,
the Bengals run the table they get to.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Nine and eight.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The other thing is Baltimore was a tough schedule. They
still have to play the Patriots, Packers, Yeah, Steelers twice
and the Bengals. Pittsburgh is a slightly easier schedule, but
they have to go to Cleveland, which is never easy,
and they also play the Lions, who were in content
for a playoff spot, and they have to play Baltimore twice.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I really think that the Bengals on the table.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're going to get in at nine to eight, which
would be fantastic.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Basically, have to run the table in Baltimore and Pittsburgh
have to split with one another and lose one more
of those games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, and you feel great.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They're in a better spot right now than they were
a year ago. It's crazy, oh.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
A question, Yeah, because they did run the table last
year and they lost tie breaker with I forget which
team they had lost to all the Chargers, and they
were a game behind the Chargers. So that was done
earlier in the season. The thing I wanted to chime in,
and this is coming from left field, is Kenny Anderson's
Hall of Fame did I actually worked with three of.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The Hall of Fame voters.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
We had a radio show five ten years ago based
on the Hall of Fame. It was called Talk of Fame,
and I reached out to them. And the way this
works is there's fifty voters and you need forty votes
to get in. Now, in this group of five, they
can only vote for three at the most, So the
voters can only vote for three at the most. Last year,
Earling Shark was the only recipient out of the Veterans
(26:02):
Committee group, so they could have three of these players,
slash coaches, slash owners get into the Hall of Fame
this time around. Obviously, everybody thinks Belichick's a lock, but
in talking with some of the Hall of Fame voters,
there's a little apprehension the cheating scandal in two thousand
and six, obviously Spygate, and also the fact that they
think he may want to come back or I know
(26:23):
he wants to come back to the NFL. If there's
an inkling that he's coming back to the NFL, they'll
hold off and putting him into the Hall of Fame
because they kind of got burned with Joe Gibbs years ago.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
He retired after.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Ninety two, and he came back in two thousand and four,
So you know, they Bill Parcells didn't get into his
first year of eligibility. The owner, Robert Kraft has been
so neaty trying to get into the Hall of Fame,
they may just push back against him. For theater, you
want to see Belichick and Craft get in together because
of their icy relationship. But in terms of the three
players that we're talking about, Elsie Greenwood would be the
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eleventh different starter from the Steelers in the seventies to make.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think they're over representative, to be quite honest with you,
and you look at Roger Craig. The forty nine Ers
in the eighties only have two offensive players in the
Hall of Fame, Joe Montan and Jerry Rice. I don't
count Steve Young because we're more than nineties, So I
think Roger Craig is a real chance. As far as
Kenny Anderson, a comp that he played against would be
Bob Greasy, who's in the Hall of Fame. But Grease
(27:19):
he won two Super Bowls. But Kenny Anderson was as
good a player as him, won four passing titles and
an MVP. And I think a reasonable comp of the
modern era is Drew Brees, accurate passer, tremendous passes. The
edge I get to Kenny Anderson is greasy. Played in Miami,
that's a lot easier to play than in Cincinnati, where
you're playing in a minus sixty nine win show game
(27:40):
against the Chargers. And obviously Breese played in a dome.
So I think Anderson does have a chance to get in.
It's going to depend on what happens with Belichick and Craft,
because then they can put three players in if so be.
But you need forty of the fifty votes to get in,
and no one knows what anyone's voting for because it's
done secretly, like uh, you know, like the.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Pope, secret balance, secret ballots. John, thank you so much. Man,
have a great one, you two guys. Yeah, very very
interesting as it relates to the dynamic of Kenny Anderson. Uh,
we'll get a break. Let's read and react as it
relates to Bengals Bills next. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 4 (28:44):
Feel tempts now? He goes so? Does coat in there?
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Speaker 2 (28:52):
All right, wasn't much to choose from. That had to
be Cooper Flag. That was because I know they played
the Heat last night, and I believe leave the Mavericks
won the game.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
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and first round draft pick out for the season with
shoulder surgery.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Didn't they like have the best start since like the
Jordan era. Yikes? Yep, all right, we're.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Just good man.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
As I've said before, when we win, we're going back
to the finals. When we lose, it's basketball season starts
in February.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Now, before we get to read and react, we buried
the lead today, which is we talked a lot of
Kyle Schoberg. Yesterday we didn't mention yet Today the Emelio
Pegan is back with the Reds. Yeah, are we happy
about that? I mean, he's now what the second highest
paid Red on a two year deal.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He's he's a good player. Okay, he pitched really well
last year. Okay, it seemed like a relatively good deal
for both sides. He is, by my count, the yes,
the he's actually the highest paid Red at the moment,
(30:27):
behind jam Or Candelario. But he's not a Red gosh
and soon to be Kyle Shwarer. So in terms of
money that's guaranteed the Reds players this year, Emilio Pagan
is at ten million. Jambers above that, Jambers at sixteen million.
Deal that was Hunter Green eight, Key, Brian Hayes seven,
(30:51):
Jose Travino five and down down the line.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Bengals Bills, Sunday afternoon. It's Thursday. Can we do a
little read and react.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Let's do some red and react. Still waiting on that.
React on the cool sound effects.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
React for that, react react react.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Hopefully it sounds nothing like that, but here we go.
All right, we've talked about how good the Bengals have
been in the month of December. Oh, how about this
Joe Burrow Tony has the best career completion percentage seventy
one point one, pass yards per game two ninety six
(31:28):
point zero and passer rating one oh five point four
in December or later since the nineteen seventy merger. Wholl
Burrow has a seven eighty three win percentage in December
or later, the fourth highest of any quarterback since nineteen
seventy with at least fifteen such starts.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, that's seven eighty three. Is gonna have to go
to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Well, it's impossible to get to a thousand if you've
already lost one.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We're gonna need that all the way up there West.
He hasn't lost in December yet this year. I'm talking
about this year, this year going forward.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Okay, that makes me.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We're going to be at one hundred. I think it's
it's such a testament to Joe Burrow and I look
back to last year. And that's what makes it even
more impressive to me, Austin, is it's not like we've
seen this Bengals team get to like December January and
just like be cruising for playoff seating. When I think
of Joe Burrow and the Bengals. It's playing to get
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into the playoffs, especially last year, and that means high leverage,
high stakes, high stress games. And you're saying he's got
the best completion percentage, passing yards per game and passer
rating in December or later since nineteen seventy. That speaks
to a quarterback who is great when his team needs
him to be the most. No garbage, garbage stats for
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Joe Burrow. His greatness is on display when the team
needs it the most.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Joe Burrow is, now, this is a this is the statistic,
and I'm also going to quiz you at the end. Okay,
Joe Burrow is two to zero against Josh Allen in
career head to have matchups, including the playoffs. Okay, he's
looking to become the second quarterback to be three and
oh or better versus Josh Allen. Who is the other
one who is four and oh against Josh Allen. So
(33:14):
I hear you typing, don't cheat?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I was saying, so this year Josh Allen beat Mahomes,
So it can't be Mahomes, right.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's not Mahomes. This quarterback is four and oh.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay all time against Josh Allen looked, I looked at.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No longer is an active player.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Mahomes has Allen's beaten Mahomes four out of five in
the regular season, but has never beat him in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yikes, Oh, man, I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Know Tom Brady four and oh in his career against
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow trying to get to three and oh.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now these I mean, it's not like Burrow plays against Allen.
He plays against the defense of the Bills. Sure, but again,
I go back to the high leverage, high stress that
Joe Burrow plays with. It seems like you get the
best Burrow against the best competition. Josh Allen is considered
one of the best in the league. Last year, he
was the MVP of the league. I would see this
Austin as a chance for Joe Burrow to say, hey,
(34:09):
you know what, I know, I missed a lot of
this year. I know Josh Allen won the MVP last year,
but let's not forget about me. I think that's what
he has a chance to do on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Speaking of Josh Allen, Josh has had four home games
with at least two hundred and thirty passing yards and
has averaged two hundred and seventy six point five passing
yards at home this season. That's the fourth highest in
the NFL in twenty twenty five. Okay, Allen's passer rating
of one fifteen point nine win playing at home is
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the second highest among qualified quarterbacks. The Bengals are allowing
two hundred and fifty six point eight passing yards per game,
the most in the NFL in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Bills have four losses this year. I believe the Patriots
at the only time they've lost at home. Everything else
has been on the road. It is just it's different
in Buffalo. You know, watch it all last week and
I know it didn't show in Josh Allen's passing stats.
The wind in the conditions against the Steelers were insane
(35:17):
last week. That's different if you don't play in that
all the time. I genuinely think that Buffalo has an
advantage when it comes to home games late in the
year because of the weather in Orchard Park. Josh Allen
has managed that for much of his career, and he's
played in it the most, which I think just gives
him an unbelievable level of comfort. At home. Now, when
you do have that comfort at home, I think a
(35:39):
couple things go for it. Won the running game and
James Cook, I think is one of the most undervalued
running backs in the NFL. He should be talked about
more for how good he is. And the other is
a player that was questionable, but this team lacks playmakers.
Austin Dalton Kin Kate's health is massive for Josh Allen
because he's such a target for him. But it's playing
(36:02):
in those elements, being comfortable in them, but it's also
being able to rely on a running game as well.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
In my opinion, Joe Burrow has had thirteen games with
at least thirty five pass attempts since the start of
last season, including forty six attempts on Thanksgiving Night against
the Ravens. Only Patrick Mahomes eighteen and Bo Nicks fourteen
have had more such games in that span. The Bengals
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pass on sixty two point one percent of their plays
in twenty twenty five, the fifth highest rate in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I think this is one of the hardest stats to
judge because we're never going to have an understanding, Austin
of what plays are actually called a pass out of
the huddle and what plays are checked two way pass
or many plays in the NFL you have a run
pass option tagged, so you've got a running play tag
but if you get a certain look, you can throw
the ball out to one of your receivers. I think
(36:59):
the pass attempts is hard to judge when it comes
to the NFL because you just don't know on every play.
There's multiple plays called you have checks. Joe Burrow does
a lot at the line of scrimmage, I think, and
I'm I'm guilty of it as well. I get caught
up in it at times. In thirty two and a
half forty six for a game, the first game back
is a lot. But I do think Joe Burrow plays
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a large role in how many times he throws the
ball two more.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
James Cook or he is the Bill's running back, ranks
second in the National Football League with twenty eight rushing yards.
He has already surpassed his previous career high of one
twenty two rushing yards, which he set in twenty twenty three.
I guess that's really just a fact. I don't know
(37:44):
that there's much to react to other than he he's
pretty damn good react to this. The Houston Texans sacked
Josh Allen eight times. They didn't run the ball enough
last week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. What they do?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They gave James Cook thirty two carries and he ran
it for one hundred and forty four yards. And I
looked at this last night as well. I was talking
about it. Ray Davis also got nine carries. So the
game after Josh Allen got sack day times. What was
Joe Brady's answer? They had fifty one rush attempts against
the Pittsburgh Steelers for two hundred and forty nine yards
as a team only drop back to throw at twenty
three times. I as I said before, I think James
(38:17):
Cook's one of the most underrated backs in the National
Football League and I would expect a heavy dose of
him on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Last one. Okay, Jamar Chase needs only twenty nine receiving
yards insane to reach one thousand for the twenty twenty
five season. Chase would become only the fifth player in
NFL history to have one thousand or more receiving yards
in each of his first five seasons, joining Randy Moss.
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Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans, and Adriel Jeremiah Green.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Wow, it's weird because at times I don't even feel
like he's been as dominant this year, But you look
at the stats and again he's right there and he's
done it, and I think it's the biggest testament to him.
He's done it for a large portion of the year
without Joe Burrow. He's done it with Jake Browning, he's
done it with Joe Flacco. And yet you pull up
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the list of leaders in the National Football League, he's
fourth in receiving yards, fourth in receiving yards, second in receptions.
He leads all wide receivers. He's only second to Trey
McBride of the Arizona Cardinals, their tight end. It speaks
to the greatness of Jamar Chase because he's been able
to do it without Joe Burrow playing a majority of
the games.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
What I think is interesting about Burrow being back is
we have seen, for the most part in his absence
Jamar Chase kind of work. The short yardage and intermediate yardage.
We saw pretty early on a couple of deep shots
to Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow. So I wonder if
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we'll see more of that now. I don't know if
if the weather's going to allow such plays on Sunday
against Baltimore against Buffalo, but I feel like that's kind
of part of Jamar that they haven't unlocked yet this
year is a ton of the deep balls and him
stretching the field, and hopefully if Higgins is able to
go that creates he's got a more of an advantage. Yep,
but I did. I do think that's something we haven't
(40:15):
seen a ton of so far this season.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Let's finish up the hour when we come back with
just a few minutes of what Joe Burrow had to
say yesterday. We'll do that and then we'll turn it
to John Sharon at one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back. It is since he three
to sixty year listening on this the home of the Bengals,
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. John Sheriff made his
(40:38):
esports covering the Bengals, will join us at one o'clock.
Before we get to that, a lot has been made
about the comeback of Joe Burrow. We're going to talk
to Bob Manjeen later in the show about that today
and just what goes into the comeback from a mental
and physical side of things. But one of the things
that has gone into this Joe Burrow comeback is that
insert that he's wearing in his shoe. Joe Burrow spoke
about this yesterday. Here's what you had to say.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
What is in your shoe and that's helping you with
your toel?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (41:05):
Carbon fiber plate and custom orthought.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
What how does that help your your toil?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Well, they just can't shoe can't bend it because my
toe can't go backwards right now, still a little early
for that, So just keeps it firm and not bending
it back.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Is it comfortable?
Speaker 8 (41:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Are you wearing different cleats now than you were before.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
Before the injury? Yeah? Yeah, these are the ones that
I feel like give me enough space and stability to
do what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Do you walk around in different shoes just like at home?
Speaker 7 (41:43):
At home, I'm just barefoot, but yeah, I try to
be in the cleats as little as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Did you settle on the sneakers being like the swapping
out and kinda why didn't you figure out that was
a good solution for you on the sideline.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
Well, I take it off throughout practice every now and
then just to let it breathe and let it relax
a little bit. And these are what I put on,
So I figured I'd just keep it the same.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Whether obviously it was cold in Baltimore, but it's supposed
to be like really cold in Buffalo. Does that impact
the shoe work and what's in it and your toe
at all or not?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Really? We shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
How difficult was it to get used to the insert.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
It was certainly a process to figure out what worked
best for me and what was most comfortable and at
the same time safe. But we we worked through that
and a lot of different people were involved and we
got the right.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
So that is what Joe Burr had to say. Obviously
it's not comfortable, or else you wouldn't be changing in
and wearing shoes on the uh on the sideline. But
a little as to go as it's not just showing
up in the cleats on and plane. There's a lot
that is going into Joe Burrow and his availability to
get back and play for this team. Good insight there.
Also loved his insight on Lane Kiffin because he didn't
really have much to say about Lane Kiffin. He's a
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good coach, a good coach. Didn't know much about the process.
I could have filled him in on some of that
if he needed any of that. John Scheron will fill
us in on the rest formata E sports covering the
Cincinnati Bengals will do so. To kick off our number
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