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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
All right, our three thanks to Penn Station on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's dive right into it.
We get them each and every Thursday now through the
conclusion of the college basketball season. It's our good friend
from Bearcat Journal dot Com, Keegan Nickoson joining us right now.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hi Keegan, Hey Tony, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Keegan? I'm great. I thought I would throw some rapid
fire questions at you just to kind of get you
ready to go for today's segment. Would you like to
do that?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Huh, I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All right, here we go. Rapid fire question number one.
Do you believe Brendan Sorosby's really getting offers north of
four million dollars in the portal?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Keing and Nickoson.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Gisel James was spotted on the jumbo Tron on Monday
at the UC game against Tarleton. Is Giggsel James gonna
play for the Bearcats this year?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Keg and nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. Is in year
five of the shootout for Wes Miller is tomorrow night?
I must win for West Miller. Yes, Keing and nickoson
do you have a educated guest on which bowl game
the Bearcats will be playing in?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Educated?
Speaker 7 (01:39):
I don't really educated in me don't really go together
very well.
Speaker 8 (01:42):
What do you know that we don't?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Kegan?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What do you know? I know, you guys get inside
stuff at the barricat Journal. Brendle's probably already got Brendel's
already got Brendle's already got a spot booked for you,
and probably Springer. I know, So where's it at?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Let's start on the football side officially now signing day yesterday,
and your best, um, let's say, your best summary of
the class that you see in Scott Saderfield brought in
yesterday would be what.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Best summary was more successful than the twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Twenty five class.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (02:27):
I say that mainly because they were able to hold
on to some guys that were getting recruited by SEC
schools and Big ten schools like Solomon Mathis, there's a corner,
Markel Taylor and then Dadrian Waller. They were getting offers
from schools like Georgia, Florida, Mississippi State, and they were
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some of them were taking visits.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Others were completely shutting down.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Their recruitment and staying fully committed to Cincinnati. But they
were able to hold on to them, and especially when
you think about their high rated or brute Lance Dawson,
who was offered pretty crazy money by West Virginia and
decided to stay with Cincinnati, And it even got to
the point where he was changing his Instagram profile picture
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to a West.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Virginia commitment graphic.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
So like he was basically he had told West Virginia
staff he's coming, and then Cincinnati goes and changes that
and then rewrites the narrative that you know, Lance Daalson
is going to be a Bearcat and then they're able
to sign him late yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
It was a successful class.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Obviously not what.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
You want to see from a ratings perspective, but.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Zach Grant isn't the guy that's gonna look at that
judge what the class is based off.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
That, so I think it was a good class.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Just recently we saw the Big Twelve Awards come down.
Tommy Walker, Jeff Codwhill, Jalen Hunt, Antwine Peak Junior Honorable Mention,
Joel Royer, Gavin Gerhardt, Third Team, Second team was Fletcher Corleone,
Tengistall Cotton, Allen Sowersby, First Team Jake Golde. When you
see all these players earning all Big Twelve honors, does
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it change in all your view on how the season
went based on success or disappointment? Seeing how many Bearcats
were honored and yet seeing how the season ended.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, I mean it should have been better.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
When you have that many guys on the first, second,
and third team, you should finish better than seven and five.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Because that told me you have the talent to do it.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
The surprise was that Evan Pryor didn't get any real nomination.
I think he had a really really good year and
was he was better than Tawie Walker for the latter
half of the season despite missing I think it was
two games, So that was a surprise to me. But
when you look at that list, those are a lot
of names that are also not going to be back
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next year, mainly to exhausting eligibility, and then you never
know what could happen with the portal.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So they've got a tall task ahead of.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Them to put together a Anton roster given all the
all the very honored guys that are not.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Going to be here. So I'm looking forward to seeing
what they can do with that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Knowing now what it's like in college football bowl games,
and I know we don't know where the Bearcats are going,
but I would assume, you know, I see that that
Corleone and Royer and Goldey are all going to you know,
they got Senior Day and Senior Bowl invites. I don't
foresee Soresby and Corleone and Royer and Goldey and others
playing in a bowl game. So how do you view
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bowl games now? You know from the Cincinnati sports area
where you're covering, Now, what do you look for? I
know you get extra bowl game practices, which is vital
to coaches, But does this now just become a showcase
for younger players on this team to show what they
can do.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, I think a big thing you can do is
kind of decide what you're going to do in the
portal based off of what the guys on the team
do in the bowl game, Like say say Maney, Kobe
and Zion Johnson go out and have great games and
then you say, okay, we probably don't have to bring
in the running back, or maybe there's some linebackers who
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step up and you think, okay, we don't have to
bring in three linebackers because we're losing Checked England, Jake Golde.
The tight end position is interesting to me. You're losing
Patrick Kurd, J're Royer, and then you've got some decently
experienced guys and Devin de Hursky and Gavin Groger, which
I believe that they're just going to go forward with
that group next season and probably not bring one in.
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But I think it's a it's a look at what
you need to do for next season, and it could
also be a chance for some of these guys to
up their price tend and their conversations.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
With the team to come back.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
So I don't put too much stock.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
In it, Like if they go out and lose, that
doesn't change my opinion, Like it doesn't make me think
that it's worse.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
If they go out and win. It's you know, it's
you know a good job. You played a probably fundamentally
sound game and won a game.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
But I don't put too much stock into these games,
just like I tried not to put too much stock
in any of the exhibition basketball games before the season.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is that still though, Like, does it change anything because
they lost the last four in a row and trying
to avoid a five game losing streak to end the
season or are you fully separating the two.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I mean, in my mind, I think after the BYU lost,
there was just air taken out of the program. So
like I think that they put all their eggs in
the basket of beating DYU, staying alive in the Big twelve,
and seeing if they could manage.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
To get in.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
But I just think it doesn't really change it for me.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
There's just too many factors.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
You can look at the four consecutive losses and say
that was your best team on the field for those
four games, and it was your best effort, and.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
You guys were supposed to be bought in.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
But the TCU loss I don't put as much stock
into as if you know they were still playing for
a Big Hold title, because obviously it would have been
a lot different. But obviously the four losses down the stretch.
You have to find a way to keep your guys
bought in and playing for something, and that just didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Let's switch gears. Tomorrow night is the Crosstown shootout. You
and I had a chance to talk earlier in the week,
and I wonder, like, do you feel now in covering
this game, We've had a couple extra days, now you've
you've put more into it. Do you feel the buzz
generating for this game or do you think there is
a lack of buzz surrounding the shootout still which is
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being played tomorrow night.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, I think the biggest buzz being put into the
game is probably my boss going after.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Jager fans on Twitter coccer. I think if it weren't
for if it weren't for that, where would it be at.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I think there's naturally a lack of buzz just with
the new landscape of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And Wes Miller like mentioned that yesterday.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Like, it's not it's not you unique to this rivalry.
I would say Duke and you and seeing large part
is the same because they've basically had this kind of
player rotational landscape and roster turnover for the past twenty
years because other guys are there for one year and
then they leave. So that's kind of just ingrained in
the culture. But for other rivalries, like you don't get
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the like cultured hatred for the teams, like these guys
aren't playing against.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Each other four years.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
In a row, and you know, like it's just not there.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
So I think I say all that, but then the
lights come on and there can be some really really
interesting stuff happened. And then I look at guys like
Kurk Prisa who take on Luka Doncic.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
In the game in Europe and.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Since her Harris who's one of the most physical players
in the country, and Dane Thomas who just got ejected
Gods Tarlotan State. So you never really know what can
have happen. Maybe this can be a thing where Wes
Miller turns it around and he's here for a long
time and Richard Patino has success, because I think that's
also something that you have to look at as the
lack of success each program has had since like twenty nineteen,
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and that's definitely had an impact on the rivalry losing
its luster as the phrase I've heard.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I certainly understand too. When you look at this weekend,
championship weekend in college football, Bills Bengals on Sunday, it
often it falls on a different time. I think you
could venture to say that there's not a lot of
Xavier fans that know a lot of guys on the
UC roster, and there's not a lot of UC fans
that know many people on Xavier's roster because of the
current landscape of college basketball and college athletics as a whole.
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I mentioned to you in rapid fire earlier, though, is
this a must win for Wes Miller? Can Wes Miller
change that? Like, if they come out and play their
best basketball this season, does that then change the feel
around this team going forward? In your opinion?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Absolutely, And this feels like a pivot point for the
season because if they go into Zager and.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Lose a game that is very.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Winnable against the Zavier team who has struggled. They've turned
it around over the past three or four games, and they've.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Got some decent wins.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
But I think Cincinnati has the better roster and they
have the talent to go in and win. If you lose,
it's going to be hard for me to picture you
being able to get the momentum going, especially to the
end of the non conference and build up your tournament
resume before you get into the gauntlet of what is
a big twelve schedule, where it's going to be even
harder to get on a winning streak and get some
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momentum going. If you win, then that's the tip of
the cap. That's okay, let's get on the right foot.
Let's start playing our brand of basketball. Let's start competing
to the level that Wes Miller wants them to compete at.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
So you know, I could see the season going one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Of either ways based on the result of this game.
And you know, Wes Miller not winning at.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Sentas is definitely something that could be a dark spot
on the resume. But yeah, I think before I was
saying it's not.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
A must win because he can still turn.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It around, But now I'm thinking, how do you turn it.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Around if you lose this game to a Zavier team
that you should beat And like the rivalry might have
lost its luster, but beating Xavier is still like the
most important thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To a lot of Cincinnati fans.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
For just sheer x'es and o's that are going to
happen tomorrow night. How does U see win this game?
How do they take care of business?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
I think you just you really shut down Zager's three
point offense. Try to limit them to like twenty five
or twenty percent conversion rate, and then you don't even
have to have a really really.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Good shooting night.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
You just can't have your best shooters only making like
twenty percent of their threes. So I'm looking at Kerr Presa,
I'm looking at John Celesting, Shanna Baia, Dde Thomas, those
guys they can't not show up. And then the big
three that I've been talking about of Baba Miller, Shanabias
and Mustafa Cham. You know, Mustafa Champ cannot have a
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Tony Snell line in this game, Like he can't play
twenty five minutes and there was zero points for once
from the from the field and only get three rebounds.
Like he has to dominate, he has to play physical.
So I'm looking for three point defense. I'm looking for
three point offense and being able to kill some runs
and some momentum there by Jaeger and then also physicality
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on the board. See if the double double Machines and
Baba Miller and Mustafa Champ can kind of just tell
the runs and bring a steadiness to this team in
an environment where it can get pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I look at the remaining non conference and I think
going into the year, you're like, Okay, Georgia Clemson kind
of middle of the pack. If you look right now,
Georgia is sitting at eight and one. They lost their
only loss of the years to Clemson, an overtime loss.
They have beaten Xavier, They went on the road and
put up one hundred and seven points at Florida State
just to nights ago. Clemson, on the other hand, just
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took Alabama to the finish on last night. They lost
ninety to eighty four in that game. Clemson is also
sitting at seven and two. So, you know, I think
there's a lot of fans Keig and I know the
crowd wasn't great on Monday night. I think there's a
lot of fans that are going to sit back and say, Okay,
what happens against Xavier, what happens against Georgia, what happens
against Clemson, and then make that determination on how the
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rest of the season goes. Would you agree with.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That, Yeah, absolutely, because I think what you saw last
year was the definition of getting your hopes up after
the non conference, Like you you beat Dayton, you beat Xavier,
you go into Georgia Tech in Atlanta and you kill them.
You had had the exhibition blowout win over O Higher State,
and then you opened Big Twelve play with Kansas State
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and you lose, and then you lost to Villanova as well,
But that was more like, you know, you're playing.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Villanova's got a sneaky good team. Eric Dixon is a
really good player, and so that loss is kind of understandable,
but then it just starts that losing streak and then
it's a hole.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That you have to dig yourself out of.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
So I don't blame fans for kind of keeping their
guard up a little bit and wanting to see what
happens against Georgia and Clemson.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Before really buying in.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Especially the track record over the past two or three seasons.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
And I think when you looked at the non conference
before the season, it was okay, like it's decent for
the big games are really Xavier and Louisville, and then
Georgia and Simpson are two just high major teams, and now,
as the college basketball season usually goes, everyone's team changes,
the outlook for the team's change and our crimeson in
Georgia are two pretty good teams that it's going to
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be really tough to beat them, especially against an away crowd.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It should be a great atmosphere, a huge, massive opportunity
for the Bearcats. I look forward to talking again next week.
After the dust settles, we'll have an idea, we'll understand
where the Bearcats are going to go bowl, and we'll
know where the basketball bear Cats sit after obviously the
Crosstown shootout. Keegan, what's the easiest way to keep up
with all your coverage of the bear Cats going forward?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Follow kay Nicholson forty two on X and the next series.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Subscribed to Bearcat.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Journal and just posted an article about yesterday's signing day.
Press or Zach Rant Scott Satafield had a ton to
say about the twenty twenty sixth signing class, So go
ahead and read.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That awesome Keegan, thanks so much, man. We will catch
up next week. Enjoy the shootout, and enjoy the weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Thanks Terry, seeing Phoenix re.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Seagan nickoson urcat Journal dot com. Oh, that would not
be great. How about Keigan going to the Blakesnell Lustafa Chom.
You get to be better than what he was.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Would you? What did you just say it would not
be great?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Phoenix?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Why not listen?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
December twenty sixth, That would mean the team flies on
the afternoon of Christmas. It will not be good in
the piecoul.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's Christmas mornings. What matters?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no, we'll dive more
into that this week. People don't care. Maybe next you
get paid to watch football. I care, I care. I
know Moagger cares.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Of course, I mean, but other I mean just saying
other people gotta work on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Not many.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You don't even have to work. You just have to fly.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, need more work?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You say? Not many have to.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
Work on Christ's more work leaving buddy, leaving down on
a little just a smidge out of touch right now?
All right, Well, I'm trying to get I'm trying to
keep you in line.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm not gonna apologize for wanting to spend Christmas with
my children. Of course, my wife, of course.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Not that's it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Bob Man, Jean Nova Care.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, no, he'll be doing on Christmas. They probably have practice,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No, well, at that point, we might will wait till
tomorrow night. Since he three sixth, the ESBN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station would.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Be possible to fill you a green with enough.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Since three sixty rolls along our number three thanks to
Penn Station on the home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We just got you ready to
go for the Crosstown shootout with our guy Keegan nickoson
a Bearcat journal dot com. Let's switch gears. Let's spend
some time with our guy now, Bob man Jean from
the University of Cincinnati and Nova Care kind enough to
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join us this afternoon. Bob, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
You said, Tony? Just getting ready for the Crosstown shootout?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
All right now? I want you to brace yourself, Bob,
because I'm I'm going to pay you some compliments here
and I don't want that to change, you know, you
being able to get out of the room and your
head getting too big. But there's so much conversation going
on around Joe Burrow and the ability of Joe Burrow
to come back as quick as he did to me.
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I go back to the training staff because I go
back to my injuries and speaking from the experience. You
have friends in your life that are saying, well, you
got to get back and play. What are you going
to play? You have family members, when are you going
to play? Coaches want you to come back and play.
Teammates wants you to come back and play. The constant
that I always had through the process was you and
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the other members of the training staff, because I knew
even at my age in college that throughout anyone else
that you're going to come in contact with, the training
staff is the one that's going to have your true
best interest in mind. I remember conversations you and I
had of if we do this, can I hurt it
any further? If we do this, what happens? But I
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knew that I was going to get the honest answer
from you, not the answer from a coach who wants
you back, or teammates or friends or different things in
the process that Joe Burrow is going through or any
other player coming back from injury. Talk about the importance
Bob and that relationship between the player and the trainer
to talk through what you need to talk through in
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order to come back on the field.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Thank you, Tony for the kind words, and again you
were a pleasure to work with your time here at
UNI versus Cincinnati. But again, how many hours and hours
does the trainer spend with their athletes? That's the key,
the fact that you know you're really working, you're really
working super hard to to not just.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Bring him back to play, but to bring him back
safely confidently. You know it has to be gold driven rehab.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
And again, you know the trainer and that athlete are
spending time and time and time together. So I kind
of you know, you knew your athlete, and I'm sure
the guys at the Bengals, you know, they know Joe Burrow,
what a competitor he is, how well he can heal,
and and you know, get him back on the field
as safely as possible and efficiently as possible.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And I mean, you're probably still mad at me. You
remember the time I made you address the day after
surgery with arms, So really will it know that you
got hurt and that they thought you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Would be the quarterback and you know you're all you're
all relaxed on paying medicine.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You put the uniform min and went out there like
a true stud.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And you know, and and again we gave Louisville a
little run for their money. And nowadays you can't do that.
You have to have player availability, right, So you know,
those were the fun days, you know. I mean you
can think about the guys that got injured. And I've
been very, very fortunate in fifty three years, you know,
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working with guys like you know, I got a chance
to work with Pete Rose and his elbow way back
in the early eighties. I had a chance to work
with Carson Palmer. I got a chance to work with
Tony Pike and Dave Pollock. So over the years, you know,
I've been one they probably lived maybe the best life,
blessed life of any athletic trainer. But here at you see,
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we've had a blast for the last twenty four years,
and you know, we played a lot of games, won
a lot of games. And knowing the athlete is the
most important thing, knowing what how tough they are, what
they can endure, how much they'll push themselves, and you
know that they're willing to play through a little bit
of something.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But yet at the same.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Time, you've got your other half, the brain on saying
we've got to protect it. We've got to make sure
we're safe. We've got to make sure we're you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Know, I mean you remember the Louisgo.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Game where you know, Dustin got thrown into the fire
after you got hit in the chest that time, and
you know, the question was, you know, was it safe enough?
And you know Dustin pulled it off. And so you
know Dustin Gruzzi, you you know, Zach Klarius. I mean,
you guys were tough quarterbacks. And the bottom line is
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I knew that, you know, you guys would endure things
that you know maybe other people wentn't and you guys
rehab your butts off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How how important when you're going through that process, what
are you trying to read from the athlete? Because it's
one thing say, okay, go back out and play. But
if that player is going out and they feel compromised
at all, maybe they're not playing as hard as they could,
maybe they're still hesitant, and that could lead to a
different injury or any type of reinjury. So what are
you looking for in those early stages of Okay, you
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can go back out there and play you can go
back out there and practice, But what are you watching
for to make sure that there isn't a setback or
that that player is physically ready to go?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well, you're evaluating them after every practice. You're sitting there
with them how to go? You know, high your pain
level or your mechanics right?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Are you able to do this? Can you control the environment?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
You're in football, well, almost any college sports, it's an
uncontrolled environment. You do not know what's going to come
at you at what angle at any giving time. Same
thing in professional sports. So you know, prior to getting
on the field, you do your best in the trading
room to mimic things they're going to run into. And
then once you get them back in practice, you got
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to look at their eyes.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Are they able to go?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Are they not able to go? Do they look apprehensive?
You know, if they look apprehensive, they're not ready yet.
You know, but a lot of times the athlete has
you know, I want to say the final say do
you think you can do this or not? Because you
know your body, you know what you're pain lovel is,
you know what you know we're asking of you, and
the bottom line is can you can you do your job?
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Safely and efficiently and protect yourself. Remember how much time
do we spend on.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
How to fall? Yep, you know, because I wanted you
to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That so that that to me leads me to the
last point. And I think what it's the most important,
and it's the mental side, because when you're when you're
injured as an athlete, there's multiple things that happen. One Physically, yes,
it's tough, but mentally, now all of a sudden, you're alone,
a lot more guys are practicing, you're in the training room.
If you if you go through something where you've been
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injured and then you get injured again, mentally, it's because
there's a point in your mind you already knew what
it took to get back and all the hard work,
and now you've got to go through that again. So mentally,
I wonder and how you prioritize that in a sense
of all right, physically they're ready to go. Mentally, how's
this athlete doing as well? How much are you paying
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attention and how much do you check in Now in
today's world, with the mental health of players that are
injured and trying to get their way back, I.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Think it's always been a priority of mine to make
sure that the mental side of what they're about to
go through when they get back in a game is
at optimal level.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's a priority because I can get the best job
or rehab in the world.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
And I've had kids, high school kids and some college
kids who who basically said, I don't want to play anymore.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Mentally, I can't handle it. And so you would.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Have to, you know, not clear them to go back
and play and advise them to go down another route.
So the mental aspect is really critical, and the trainer
and the pets, they have to make that rehab a
positive situation goal driven. The first two weeks, here's our goal,
the next two weeks, here's our goal. And as you
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achieve those goals, now we're ready for the next level.
And making it positive gives you that positive experience back
to make sure mentally you're staying you know, staying up
on where you need to be. But the mental element
is really really important. And again over the years, I've
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had kids who just we're done.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
I've had kids come in saying I don't want to
do this again. I've torn my a c L and
I've torn it twice and and now I'm pretty much
you know, over it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Then there are some kids who just are they're.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Tough, and you can friggin you know, do whatever you
need to do to get them to play, and they're
willing to play.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So I mean it runs a gimmut.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's where the trainer knows, unlike the physicians or unlike
other people, they know what their kids able to handle.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
And that's where.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
The trainer has a solid voice and making sure that
they protect the kid and make sure. You know, my
favorite saying, and I've probably used it to you, I
don't know how many times. My job is to be
the VR, the voice of reason, you know, what what
can we accomplish and what should we avoid and not
let anybody put themselves into a situation where it's you know,
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do no harm. I don't want to make you worse.
And so has that happened, Sure, it happens, you know.
I mean, athletics is an uncontrolled environment, and there's kids
we think that are ready to go, and they think
they're ready to go and then the next thing, you know,
they get another injury. So if we were in a
controlled situation, then that would be eating But Unfortunately, athletics
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and playing games and even practice is not a controlled situation.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Best it is Bob man Jean from the University of
Cincinnati and Novacare Bob, enjoy the shootout. Best of luck
and uh, you know, good luck to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You and Austin come over to shoot out tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Bob, I don't. I told myself two years ago, I'm
not going back to the Centas for the shootout just
because mentally, you want to talk about mental health. It's
not a good place for my mental health. But as
we get closer, what.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Do you my mental health?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's more and more about you.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
We haven't won there for like quite a while.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, it was it. You were like twenty five, weren't you.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Oh my gosh, Bob, I'll come if you can get
me a seat at the end of the bench right
there next to you.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Austin's got some things he wants to talk about time.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
You're more than welcome to come over and sit with us.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I love it, Bob, You're the best man. Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Okay, guys, have a good weekend and I'll see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That is Bob man Jean, the University of Cincinnati and
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along next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Station, you've got to be.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Welcome back. Since E three sixty Mowagger joins us in
just a few moments. Quick hits coming up thanks to
Penn station here and hour number three. Is it cold
out Austin?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
What's the temperature right now?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
This is it as cold as people are are saying.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
I know it feels I got thirty two degrees on
my phone, but I know not.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I feel like people are reacting more and more to
cold than in years past.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
People are soft.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's just a soft name.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
This is the.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Thing, man, Like, we live in this city and in
this part of the country. It happens, and we have
been through this. It's gonna be cold every single year.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
The feels like temperature according to our friend Jennifer Catchmark,
twenty six degrees. That's chili. That's not cold, correct, cold
is I think twenty and below. I just wanted to
get that out there. A lot of people talking about cold.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Thirty two degrees and partly sunny.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, enjoy a day like this today, Lee, Enjoy celebrate it.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
Yeah, you can celebrate now. I will say it's supposed
to be a cold snap coming. It is, I heard
with the single digits.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well I was looking at that because tonight Austin the
Anderson Raptors. It's right, they try to avenge last year's
loss by winning. That's a seven o'clock kickoff tonight, low
of fifteen up in Canton, up in Canton, Ohio. That's
not that bad.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Last year was pretty well, it was pretty rough for
those guys last year.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, it was brutal. Yeah, but good luck to Anderson tonight,
good luck to Saint X tomorrow. It is not cold outside.
It ain't cold outside. Also, it is championship weekend in
college football. Tomorrow night's Sunbelt Championship Troy against James Madison
Conference USA title is on the line. American Championship is
on the line along with the Mountain West, and then
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on Saturday you get the Big Twelve, you get the MAC,
the SEC, the Big Ten, and the ACC Championship. It
is a fantastic sports weekend with the Shootout college Football Friday,
an awesome slate on Saturday, and Bengals Bills Sunday.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Can I give you a couple of Nuggets Tonight's Thursday
night football matchup? Yes, the Lions have not lost back
to back games since twenty twenty two. They're fourteen to
oh after a lost since twenty twenty two, and tonight
it's a wide out in Detroit, Oh. So do without
what you have to correct, do without what you have
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Speaker 11 (32:30):
Mostly cloudy skyes this afternoon and very cold highs around thirty.
Temperatures would drop into the twenties around dinner time, then
a deep freeze overnight near fifteen. By Friday morning, we'll
rebound into the mid thirties Friday afternoon and just as
cold Saturday with highs in the upper thirties.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's the forecast.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
I'm nine first one of meteorologist kJ Jacobs for since.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
The three sixty quickits on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Fifteen thirty was looking for mo It was in the
building Thursday afternoon. Hey, getting ready for the mow Eggers Show.
A little quieter here today. It is a little quieter
for your show. It is a little quieter. Have you
been to the conference room where all the leftovers are?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I have.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's a good place to be. They want to stop by.
It's a good spot to be. The Thursday edition of
The Mulagger Show in just a few minutes. What do
you got coming up today?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know?
Speaker 12 (33:17):
It has been said that Cincinnati's Crosstown Shoe At is
one of the most intense basketball rivalries in the country,
and because of that, it is had its share of
unglamorous moments. But beneath the drama, there have always been
glimpses of something rare mutual aspect, yeah, human depth, and
a rivalry that, at its best brought out the best
in those involved. As Bob Hugginson's Kip Prosser one showed
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Huggins the grizzled general with a glare sharp enough to
ben referees, could intimidate opposing coaches like they were grand
assistants in over their heels. Yet with Prosser, something different happened.
Prosser saw in Huggins what Huggins players always saw, a
coach who cared deeply about the person behind the stats.
Because Prosser recognized that the real Huggins emerged warmth and
dignity reserve for those rare rivals who truly understood him.
(34:02):
I am reading the first two paragraphs from something that
I have tried to read about ten times since last night.
There is a piece on Cincinnati dot Com from opinion
contributor Dennis Doyle. Dennis, I don't know who Dennis is. Yeah,
I'm sure Dennis is a very nice man. I could
keep going, and maybe if I do, you guys could
(34:23):
tell me what point this man was trying to make.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I've read it twice. Yeah, I still don't understand it.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
I read this last night. It was late, and I'm just.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So you think, like last night, maybe my brain's just
not functioning.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Yes, I'm tired. I'll wake up in the morning. I'll
read it again and I'm like my man, Dennis, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't It's the fierce nature, but also the respect
that makes this rivalry great.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
The intimidating Huggins found his foil and a philosopher coach
who disarmed him. In Prosser's presence, the curmudgeon revealed a
best self some doubted existed, and Prosser, in turn, seems
sharper and steadier when sparring with the pair of king. Together,
they transformed a blood feud into a strange fellowship, proving
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that even in Cincinnati, a basketball rivalry could be both
fierce and redemptive.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Prosser would walk into the press room and leave everyone
smiling even after a loss. He quoted Yates, cracked jokes,
and treated the game as both competition and community. Against Huggins,
has warmth sharpened, not soften the rivalry. Prosser's teams played
with discipline and joy, forcing Huggins to respect not just
the scoreboard, but the spirit behind it. In a rivalry
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often defined by taunts and elbows, Prosser reminded Cincinnati that
basketball could be ferocious yet Ennobling.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'll tell you what. Here's what's happening, Ennobling what the
world saws.
Speaker 12 (35:45):
Curmudgeon was in truth from a man of depth and soul,
something Prosper and Huggins players recognized long before.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
The rest of us.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Can I finish? I keep God, I've read this much. Please.
Speaker 12 (35:56):
Their shared legacy is the paradox of Cincinnati basketball, firing
grace Huggins and body toughness Prosser wit and the rivalry
mirrored the city gritty at generous, combative, yet communal. When
Prosser passed in two thousand and seven, Huggins tributes revealed
the hidden truth beneath the scow as a coach who
valued dignity as much as victory. As the rivalry moves
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into the present, this year's Crosstown shootout carries all the
fire fans expect. Does it also carries a subtler hope.
The lessons of Huggins and Prosser indure competition need not
to RaSE character. Toughness can coexist with care in every
past defensive stand and moment of hustle. The truest victory
is caring forward the dignity and respect they showed each other.
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Here's hoping Xavier as Richard Patino and Cincinnati's West Miller
not only play to win, but also play with that
same integrity. So the Crosstown shootout remains a rivalry worth
respecting and above all, a rivalry that is fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
If that doesn't get us our recognition we deserve from
the Inquirer, I don't know what will.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Meanwhile, Richard Patino said this week, my guys literally do
not care about the history of the rivalry.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, just another week, so just a game I want
to have. Dennis Doyle, I'm gonna tell you what I'm
gonna do. Austin cut that from me and said it
to me, we're not reading the night before Christmas this year?
Where were we reading that? At the Pie Household.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
That's the first time, like I had started reading it
and I got distracted.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
This is the first time I heard the like the
full thing.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, And at first I thought I knew where he
was going, But you're right, at some point, I'm like,
what is he trying to say, I don't.
Speaker 12 (37:27):
Know Dennis Doyle personally. I've never heard of him. I
don't know who he is. I don't know if he's
a professional writer. But like, whenever I read something, I'm like,
I try to imagine what was he thinking when he
came up with the idea. What was Dennis doing when
he's like, you know what I'm gonna do? Ye right
about this year shootout? This is by putting together about
eight hundred words of word salad about Bob Huggins and
Skip Prosser.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Here we are. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 12 (37:50):
Brian Anderson is calling this year Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout.
He'll join us at five oh five FORDNTBA. Okay, who's
really good at what he does, so we're looking forward
to that. Also, we have on the show today Lee Sterling,
Chad Brendle on the Bearcats will join us. Robert wintrub
Cincinnati Magazine as well. At four to twenty. We also
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have on our show from the National Football League, And
I know you're really excited about this from the NFL,
Hans Schroeder.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yes, he is the.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Executive vice president of Media Distribution.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (38:22):
Basically he's going to come on the show to take
a victory lap because of how many viewers the Ravens
Bengals game had, Dan Klaskins will be on with this.
Hans is also like he works on the schedule, So
I'm gonna ask him, like, hey, next year, what Thursday,
the Bengal's going to play the Ravens in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
The Dolphins game comes, They're going to be flexed out?
Is that gonna be flexed down? Are they going to
keep that bat?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Hans is from Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (38:43):
I might ask him if he read Cincinnati dot Com
Dennis Doyle's.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Thought provoking piece. I'm sorry, I can't think of any Sorry,
i can't think of it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
The scene from Billy Madison where I listened to that
and yet I feel any smarter than what I was
going in.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I tweeted it.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
Yeah, a lot of people like didn't click on the thing,
And so what I was asking was, can somebody explain
what this man is trying to.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Because I'm have you gotten an answer yet?
Speaker 6 (39:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (39:13):
And look, it may be me because I'm dumb. I look,
I get it, dumb communications major.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Like I'm not.
Speaker 12 (39:21):
When we were in those like college classes where we
read like high end literature over my head. I have
covered my guy Dennis Doyle perhaps could be making a
point that is just for a simpleton like me to grasp.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, I wonder if anyone out there can maybe clear
it up. I don't know, and if so, take a call.
So I read this. Now there's something else that happened.
I got to talk about what happened.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
Went to the NKU game, nor Up Norse Up being
Cleveland State nice six straight wins when the Horizon League opener.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
Playing very well.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Darren Horn's got him going.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
Darren Horn has a really nice, fun to watch team.
They play up and down good offensively. And uh, you know,
I stuck around after the game. Uh, my friend Shandon
minor Son plays on yours and Mitchell since he was
a little kid, so I wanted to say hi to him.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
And as as it was.
Speaker 12 (40:13):
Doing so, Darren Horn was conducting his postgame interview with
Rick Boring and Jim Kelch and when he wrapped up
his responsibilities, he saw me and he comes over and says, hey, Mo,
hope you had fun at the game, And I said yes,
and then he shook my hand and then he kind.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Of pulled me in a little closer. Oh, and I'm like,
where's this going, Darren Horn.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
Darren's been on our show, The Good Guys, on our
March Madness show before it pulls me in and he
doesn't like get that close. But he looks at me
and I could tell like he had something on his mind,
this pained expression on his face.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
I thought, like, have I said something about MKAU?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And I said you think immediately?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Yeah, like what did I do?
Speaker 12 (40:49):
And he looks at me and he's like, mo, can
I ask you a question? And that's never good? And
he looks at me and there's a slide pause and
he says, why does Austin Ellmore hate me?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (41:03):
And I said, coach doesn't hate you.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
He's like, well, he loves his alma mater, sure loves
beating the chest of a proud n k U alum,
but he doesn't come watch my team play.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's a good point.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
I think it's a reflection of me. And I said,
Coach Austin raising a familyamb He's got a lot going
on it. So I just.
Speaker 12 (41:31):
Astin, if you have to smooth things over with Coach
Horn because he thinks you hate them.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Yeah, I'll have to. I have to work on that.
I'll have to reach out to Darren. Yeah, yeah, maybe
get to a game. Was that was the the fan?
But was it a good atmosphere? Do you see Oakland's
coach come out and call out the students?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
Actually can't I when when n K you beat you
C and Northern.
Speaker 12 (41:55):
Kentucky University fans and alums got mad at me for
saying this. My takeaway was that was an awesome atmosphere.
I hated that U SEE lost, but I said, I
hope a lot of people went to that game and said,
you know what, I'm gonna come back. Yes, every time
I have gone to an NKU game since, I wonder
how many of those people took me up on it,
including that program. I do not I don't tell people
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what to do with their free time and money, but
I do think that it's It's puzzling to me that
there were like six students in the student.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Section last night.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
They were given away a fifty five inch television Wow,
and still couldn't get more than Literally like six kids
had a one and six chance winning the damn TV.
I don't understand good school, good alumni base love basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Nobody goes good.
Speaker 12 (42:42):
Pros I don't. And again this isn't blaming anybody. I
go to those games and I don't go to a
ton I admit that. But when I go, it's like
more people should be here, more people should be here.
And uh, I thought that's what Darren was gonna ask
me about. And no, no, no, he went to know about Austin.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Ye, so that's fair.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
I don't know if there's beef.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I haven't forethought Austin. I hope you take that to
heart and think about that in the next few hours.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Maybe that's why Darren didn't come on the show earlier
this year.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
That could be since you hate him, we're done. You
come to my game, I'll come on your show.
Speaker 12 (43:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
All right, our three thanks to Penn Station on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's dive right into it.
We get them each and every Thursday now through the
conclusion of the college basketball season. It's our good friend
from Bearcat Journal dot Com, Keegan Nickoson joining us right now.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hi Keegan, Hey Tony, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Keegan? I'm great. I thought I would throw some rapid
fire questions at you just to kind of get you
ready to go for today's segment. Would you like to
do that?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Huh, I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All right, here we go. Rapid fire question number one.
Do you believe Brendan Sorosby's really getting offers north of
four million dollars in the portal?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Keing and Nickoson.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Gisel James was spotted on the jumbo Tron on Monday
at the UC game against Tarleton. Is Giggsel James gonna
play for the Bearcats this year?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Keg and nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. Is in year
five of the shootout for Wes Miller is tomorrow night?
I must win for West Miller. Yes, Keing and nickoson
do you have a educated guest on which bowl game
the Bearcats will be playing in?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Educated?
Speaker 7 (01:39):
I don't really educated in me don't really go together
very well.
Speaker 8 (01:42):
What do you know that we don't?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Kegan?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What do you know? I know, you guys get inside
stuff at the barricat Journal. Brendle's probably already got Brendel's
already got Brendle's already got a spot booked for you,
and probably Springer. I know, So where's it at?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Let's start on the football side officially now signing day yesterday,
and your best, um, let's say, your best summary of
the class that you see in Scott Saderfield brought in
yesterday would be what.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Best summary was more successful than the twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Twenty five class.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (02:27):
I say that mainly because they were able to hold
on to some guys that were getting recruited by SEC
schools and Big ten schools like Solomon Mathis, there's a corner,
Markel Taylor and then Dadrian Waller. They were getting offers
from schools like Georgia, Florida, Mississippi State, and they were
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some of them were taking visits.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Others were completely shutting down.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Their recruitment and staying fully committed to Cincinnati. But they
were able to hold on to them, and especially when
you think about their high rated or brute Lance Dawson,
who was offered pretty crazy money by West Virginia and
decided to stay with Cincinnati, And it even got to
the point where he was changing his Instagram profile picture
(03:13):
to a West.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Virginia commitment graphic.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
So like he was basically he had told West Virginia
staff he's coming, and then Cincinnati goes and changes that
and then rewrites the narrative that you know, Lance Daalson
is going to be a Bearcat and then they're able
to sign him late yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
It was a successful class.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Obviously not what.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
You want to see from a ratings perspective, but.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Zach Grant isn't the guy that's gonna look at that
judge what the class is based off.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
That, so I think it was a good class.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Just recently we saw the Big Twelve Awards come down.
Tommy Walker, Jeff Codwhill, Jalen Hunt, Antwine Peak Junior Honorable Mention,
Joel Royer, Gavin Gerhardt, Third Team, Second team was Fletcher Corleone,
Tengistall Cotton, Allen Sowersby, First Team Jake Golde. When you
see all these players earning all Big Twelve honors, does
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it change in all your view on how the season
went based on success or disappointment? Seeing how many Bearcats
were honored and yet seeing how the season ended.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, I mean it should have been better.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
When you have that many guys on the first, second,
and third team, you should finish better than seven and five.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Because that told me you have the talent to do it.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
The surprise was that Evan Pryor didn't get any real nomination.
I think he had a really really good year and
was he was better than Tawie Walker for the latter
half of the season despite missing I think it was
two games, So that was a surprise to me. But
when you look at that list, those are a lot
of names that are also not going to be back
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next year, mainly to exhausting eligibility, and then you never
know what could happen with the portal.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So they've got a tall task ahead of.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Them to put together a Anton roster given all the
all the very honored guys that are not.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Going to be here. So I'm looking forward to seeing
what they can do with that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Knowing now what it's like in college football bowl games,
and I know we don't know where the Bearcats are going,
but I would assume, you know, I see that that
Corleone and Royer and Goldey are all going to you know,
they got Senior Day and Senior Bowl invites. I don't
foresee Soresby and Corleone and Royer and Goldey and others
playing in a bowl game. So how do you view
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bowl games now? You know from the Cincinnati sports area
where you're covering, Now, what do you look for? I
know you get extra bowl game practices, which is vital
to coaches, But does this now just become a showcase
for younger players on this team to show what they
can do.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, I think a big thing you can do is
kind of decide what you're going to do in the
portal based off of what the guys on the team
do in the bowl game, Like say say Maney, Kobe
and Zion Johnson go out and have great games and
then you say, okay, we probably don't have to bring
in the running back, or maybe there's some linebackers who
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step up and you think, okay, we don't have to
bring in three linebackers because we're losing Checked England, Jake Golde.
The tight end position is interesting to me. You're losing
Patrick Kurd, J're Royer, and then you've got some decently
experienced guys and Devin de Hursky and Gavin Groger, which
I believe that they're just going to go forward with
that group next season and probably not bring one in.
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But I think it's a it's a look at what
you need to do for next season, and it could
also be a chance for some of these guys to
up their price tend and their conversations.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
With the team to come back.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
So I don't put too much stock.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
In it, Like if they go out and lose, that
doesn't change my opinion, Like it doesn't make me think
that it's worse.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
If they go out and win. It's you know, it's
you know a good job. You played a probably fundamentally
sound game and won a game.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
But I don't put too much stock into these games,
just like I tried not to put too much stock
in any of the exhibition basketball games before the season.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is that still though, Like, does it change anything because
they lost the last four in a row and trying
to avoid a five game losing streak to end the
season or are you fully separating the two.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I mean, in my mind, I think after the BYU lost,
there was just air taken out of the program. So
like I think that they put all their eggs in
the basket of beating DYU, staying alive in the Big twelve,
and seeing if they could manage.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
To get in.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
But I just think it doesn't really change it for me.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
There's just too many factors.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
You can look at the four consecutive losses and say
that was your best team on the field for those
four games, and it was your best effort, and.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
You guys were supposed to be bought in.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
But the TCU loss I don't put as much stock
into as if you know they were still playing for
a Big Hold title, because obviously it would have been
a lot different. But obviously the four losses down the stretch.
You have to find a way to keep your guys
bought in and playing for something, and that just didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Let's switch gears. Tomorrow night is the Crosstown shootout. You
and I had a chance to talk earlier in the week,
and I wonder, like, do you feel now in covering
this game, We've had a couple extra days, now you've
you've put more into it. Do you feel the buzz
generating for this game or do you think there is
a lack of buzz surrounding the shootout still which is
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being played tomorrow night.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, I think the biggest buzz being put into the
game is probably my boss going after.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Jager fans on Twitter coccer. I think if it weren't
for if it weren't for that, where would it be at.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I think there's naturally a lack of buzz just with
the new landscape of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And Wes Miller like mentioned that yesterday.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Like, it's not it's not you unique to this rivalry.
I would say Duke and you and seeing large part
is the same because they've basically had this kind of
player rotational landscape and roster turnover for the past twenty
years because other guys are there for one year and
then they leave. So that's kind of just ingrained in
the culture. But for other rivalries, like you don't get
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the like cultured hatred for the teams, like these guys
aren't playing against.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Each other four years.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
In a row, and you know, like it's just not there.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
So I think I say all that, but then the
lights come on and there can be some really really
interesting stuff happened. And then I look at guys like
Kurk Prisa who take on Luka Doncic.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
In the game in Europe and.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Since her Harris who's one of the most physical players
in the country, and Dane Thomas who just got ejected
Gods Tarlotan State. So you never really know what can
have happen. Maybe this can be a thing where Wes
Miller turns it around and he's here for a long
time and Richard Patino has success, because I think that's
also something that you have to look at as the
lack of success each program has had since like twenty nineteen,
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and that's definitely had an impact on the rivalry losing
its luster as the phrase I've heard.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I certainly understand too. When you look at this weekend,
championship weekend in college football, Bills Bengals on Sunday, it
often it falls on a different time. I think you
could venture to say that there's not a lot of
Xavier fans that know a lot of guys on the
UC roster, and there's not a lot of UC fans
that know many people on Xavier's roster because of the
current landscape of college basketball and college athletics as a whole.
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I mentioned to you in rapid fire earlier, though, is
this a must win for Wes Miller? Can Wes Miller
change that? Like, if they come out and play their
best basketball this season, does that then change the feel
around this team going forward? In your opinion?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Absolutely, And this feels like a pivot point for the
season because if they go into Zager and.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Lose a game that is very.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Winnable against the Zavier team who has struggled. They've turned
it around over the past three or four games, and they've.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Got some decent wins.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
But I think Cincinnati has the better roster and they
have the talent to go in and win. If you lose,
it's going to be hard for me to picture you
being able to get the momentum going, especially to the
end of the non conference and build up your tournament
resume before you get into the gauntlet of what is
a big twelve schedule, where it's going to be even
harder to get on a winning streak and get some
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momentum going. If you win, then that's the tip of
the cap. That's okay, let's get on the right foot.
Let's start playing our brand of basketball. Let's start competing
to the level that Wes Miller wants them to compete at.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
So you know, I could see the season going one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Of either ways based on the result of this game.
And you know, Wes Miller not winning at.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Sentas is definitely something that could be a dark spot
on the resume. But yeah, I think before I was
saying it's not.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
A must win because he can still turn.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It around, But now I'm thinking, how do you turn it.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Around if you lose this game to a Zavier team
that you should beat And like the rivalry might have
lost its luster, but beating Xavier is still like the
most important thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To a lot of Cincinnati fans.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
For just sheer x'es and o's that are going to
happen tomorrow night. How does U see win this game?
How do they take care of business?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
I think you just you really shut down Zager's three
point offense. Try to limit them to like twenty five
or twenty percent conversion rate, and then you don't even
have to have a really really.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Good shooting night.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
You just can't have your best shooters only making like
twenty percent of their threes. So I'm looking at Kerr Presa,
I'm looking at John Celesting, Shanna Baia, Dde Thomas, those
guys they can't not show up. And then the big
three that I've been talking about of Baba Miller, Shanabias
and Mustafa Cham. You know, Mustafa Champ cannot have a
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Tony Snell line in this game, Like he can't play
twenty five minutes and there was zero points for once
from the from the field and only get three rebounds.
Like he has to dominate, he has to play physical.
So I'm looking for three point defense. I'm looking for
three point offense and being able to kill some runs
and some momentum there by Jaeger and then also physicality
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on the board. See if the double double Machines and
Baba Miller and Mustafa Champ can kind of just tell
the runs and bring a steadiness to this team in
an environment where it can get pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I look at the remaining non conference and I think
going into the year, you're like, Okay, Georgia Clemson kind
of middle of the pack. If you look right now,
Georgia is sitting at eight and one. They lost their
only loss of the years to Clemson, an overtime loss.
They have beaten Xavier, They went on the road and
put up one hundred and seven points at Florida State
just to nights ago. Clemson, on the other hand, just
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took Alabama to the finish on last night. They lost
ninety to eighty four in that game. Clemson is also
sitting at seven and two. So, you know, I think
there's a lot of fans Keig and I know the
crowd wasn't great on Monday night. I think there's a
lot of fans that are going to sit back and say, Okay,
what happens against Xavier, what happens against Georgia, what happens
against Clemson, and then make that determination on how the
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rest of the season goes. Would you agree with.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That, Yeah, absolutely, because I think what you saw last
year was the definition of getting your hopes up after
the non conference, Like you you beat Dayton, you beat Xavier,
you go into Georgia Tech in Atlanta and you kill them.
You had had the exhibition blowout win over O Higher State,
and then you opened Big Twelve play with Kansas State
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and you lose, and then you lost to Villanova as well,
But that was more like, you know, you're playing.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Villanova's got a sneaky good team. Eric Dixon is a
really good player, and so that loss is kind of understandable,
but then it just starts that losing streak and then
it's a hole.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That you have to dig yourself out of.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
So I don't blame fans for kind of keeping their
guard up a little bit and wanting to see what
happens against Georgia and Clemson.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Before really buying in.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Especially the track record over the past two or three seasons.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
And I think when you looked at the non conference
before the season, it was okay, like it's decent for
the big games are really Xavier and Louisville, and then
Georgia and Simpson are two just high major teams, and now,
as the college basketball season usually goes, everyone's team changes,
the outlook for the team's change and our crimeson in
Georgia are two pretty good teams that it's going to
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be really tough to beat them, especially against an away crowd.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It should be a great atmosphere, a huge, massive opportunity
for the Bearcats. I look forward to talking again next week.
After the dust settles, we'll have an idea, we'll understand
where the Bearcats are going to go bowl, and we'll
know where the basketball bear Cats sit after obviously the
Crosstown shootout. Keegan, what's the easiest way to keep up
with all your coverage of the bear Cats going forward?
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Follow kay Nicholson forty two on X and the next series.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Subscribed to Bearcat.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Journal and just posted an article about yesterday's signing day.
Press or Zach Rant Scott Satafield had a ton to
say about the twenty twenty sixth signing class, So go
ahead and read.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That awesome Keegan, thanks so much, man. We will catch
up next week. Enjoy the shootout, and enjoy the weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Thanks Terry, seeing Phoenix re.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Seagan nickoson urcat Journal dot com. Oh, that would not
be great. How about Keigan going to the Blakesnell Lustafa Chom.
You get to be better than what he was.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Would you? What did you just say it would not
be great?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Phoenix?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Why not listen?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
December twenty sixth, That would mean the team flies on
the afternoon of Christmas. It will not be good in
the piecoul.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's Christmas mornings. What matters?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no, we'll dive more
into that this week. People don't care. Maybe next you
get paid to watch football. I care, I care. I
know Moagger cares.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Of course, I mean, but other I mean just saying
other people gotta work on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Not many.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You don't even have to work. You just have to fly.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, need more work?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You say? Not many have to.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
Work on Christ's more work leaving buddy, leaving down on
a little just a smidge out of touch right now?
All right, Well, I'm trying to get I'm trying to
keep you in line.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm not gonna apologize for wanting to spend Christmas with
my children. Of course, my wife, of course.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Not that's it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Bob Man, Jean Nova Care.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, no, he'll be doing on Christmas. They probably have practice,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No, well, at that point, we might will wait till
tomorrow night. Since he three sixth, the ESBN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station would.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Be possible to fill you a green with enough.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Since three sixty rolls along our number three thanks to
Penn Station on the home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We just got you ready to
go for the Crosstown shootout with our guy Keegan nickoson
a Bearcat journal dot com. Let's switch gears. Let's spend
some time with our guy now, Bob man Jean from
the University of Cincinnati and Nova Care kind enough to
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join us this afternoon. Bob, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
You said, Tony? Just getting ready for the Crosstown shootout?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
All right now? I want you to brace yourself, Bob,
because I'm I'm going to pay you some compliments here
and I don't want that to change, you know, you
being able to get out of the room and your
head getting too big. But there's so much conversation going
on around Joe Burrow and the ability of Joe Burrow
to come back as quick as he did to me.
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I go back to the training staff because I go
back to my injuries and speaking from the experience. You
have friends in your life that are saying, well, you
got to get back and play. What are you going
to play? You have family members, when are you going
to play? Coaches want you to come back and play.
Teammates wants you to come back and play. The constant
that I always had through the process was you and
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the other members of the training staff, because I knew
even at my age in college that throughout anyone else
that you're going to come in contact with, the training
staff is the one that's going to have your true
best interest in mind. I remember conversations you and I
had of if we do this, can I hurt it
any further? If we do this, what happens? But I
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knew that I was going to get the honest answer
from you, not the answer from a coach who wants
you back, or teammates or friends or different things in
the process that Joe Burrow is going through or any
other player coming back from injury. Talk about the importance
Bob and that relationship between the player and the trainer
to talk through what you need to talk through in
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order to come back on the field.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Thank you, Tony for the kind words, and again you
were a pleasure to work with your time here at
UNI versus Cincinnati. But again, how many hours and hours
does the trainer spend with their athletes? That's the key,
the fact that you know you're really working, you're really
working super hard to to not just.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Bring him back to play, but to bring him back
safely confidently. You know it has to be gold driven rehab.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
And again, you know the trainer and that athlete are
spending time and time and time together. So I kind
of you know, you knew your athlete, and I'm sure
the guys at the Bengals, you know, they know Joe Burrow,
what a competitor he is, how well he can heal,
and and you know, get him back on the field
as safely as possible and efficiently as possible.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And I mean, you're probably still mad at me. You
remember the time I made you address the day after
surgery with arms, So really will it know that you
got hurt and that they thought you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Would be the quarterback and you know you're all you're
all relaxed on paying medicine.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You put the uniform min and went out there like
a true stud.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And you know, and and again we gave Louisville a
little run for their money. And nowadays you can't do that.
You have to have player availability, right, So you know,
those were the fun days, you know. I mean you
can think about the guys that got injured. And I've
been very, very fortunate in fifty three years, you know,
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working with guys like you know, I got a chance
to work with Pete Rose and his elbow way back
in the early eighties. I had a chance to work
with Carson Palmer. I got a chance to work with
Tony Pike and Dave Pollock. So over the years, you know,
I've been one they probably lived maybe the best life,
blessed life of any athletic trainer. But here at you see,
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we've had a blast for the last twenty four years,
and you know, we played a lot of games, won
a lot of games. And knowing the athlete is the
most important thing, knowing what how tough they are, what
they can endure, how much they'll push themselves, and you
know that they're willing to play through a little bit
of something.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But yet at the same.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Time, you've got your other half, the brain on saying
we've got to protect it. We've got to make sure
we're safe. We've got to make sure we're you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Know, I mean you remember the Louisgo.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Game where you know, Dustin got thrown into the fire
after you got hit in the chest that time, and
you know, the question was, you know, was it safe enough?
And you know Dustin pulled it off. And so you
know Dustin Gruzzi, you you know, Zach Klarius. I mean,
you guys were tough quarterbacks. And the bottom line is
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I knew that, you know, you guys would endure things
that you know maybe other people wentn't and you guys
rehab your butts off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How how important when you're going through that process, what
are you trying to read from the athlete? Because it's
one thing say, okay, go back out and play. But
if that player is going out and they feel compromised
at all, maybe they're not playing as hard as they could,
maybe they're still hesitant, and that could lead to a
different injury or any type of reinjury. So what are
you looking for in those early stages of Okay, you
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can go back out there and play you can go
back out there and practice, But what are you watching
for to make sure that there isn't a setback or
that that player is physically ready to go?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well, you're evaluating them after every practice. You're sitting there
with them how to go? You know, high your pain
level or your mechanics right?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Are you able to do this? Can you control the environment?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
You're in football, well, almost any college sports, it's an
uncontrolled environment. You do not know what's going to come
at you at what angle at any giving time. Same
thing in professional sports. So you know, prior to getting
on the field, you do your best in the trading
room to mimic things they're going to run into. And
then once you get them back in practice, you got
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to look at their eyes.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Are they able to go?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Are they not able to go? Do they look apprehensive?
You know, if they look apprehensive, they're not ready yet.
You know, but a lot of times the athlete has
you know, I want to say the final say do
you think you can do this or not? Because you
know your body, you know what you're pain lovel is,
you know what you know we're asking of you, and
the bottom line is can you can you do your job?
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Safely and efficiently and protect yourself. Remember how much time
do we spend on.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
How to fall? Yep, you know, because I wanted you
to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That so that that to me leads me to the
last point. And I think what it's the most important,
and it's the mental side, because when you're when you're
injured as an athlete, there's multiple things that happen. One Physically, yes,
it's tough, but mentally, now all of a sudden, you're alone,
a lot more guys are practicing, you're in the training room.
If you if you go through something where you've been
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injured and then you get injured again, mentally, it's because
there's a point in your mind you already knew what
it took to get back and all the hard work,
and now you've got to go through that again. So mentally,
I wonder and how you prioritize that in a sense
of all right, physically they're ready to go. Mentally, how's
this athlete doing as well? How much are you paying
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attention and how much do you check in Now in
today's world, with the mental health of players that are
injured and trying to get their way back, I.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Think it's always been a priority of mine to make
sure that the mental side of what they're about to
go through when they get back in a game is
at optimal level.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's a priority because I can get the best job
or rehab in the world.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
And I've had kids, high school kids and some college
kids who who basically said, I don't want to play anymore.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Mentally, I can't handle it. And so you would.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Have to, you know, not clear them to go back
and play and advise them to go down another route.
So the mental aspect is really critical, and the trainer
and the pets, they have to make that rehab a
positive situation goal driven. The first two weeks, here's our goal,
the next two weeks, here's our goal. And as you
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achieve those goals, now we're ready for the next level.
And making it positive gives you that positive experience back
to make sure mentally you're staying you know, staying up
on where you need to be. But the mental element
is really really important. And again over the years, I've
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had kids who just we're done.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
I've had kids come in saying I don't want to
do this again. I've torn my a c L and
I've torn it twice and and now I'm pretty much
you know, over it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Then there are some kids who just are they're.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Tough, and you can friggin you know, do whatever you
need to do to get them to play, and they're
willing to play.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So I mean it runs a gimmut.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's where the trainer knows, unlike the physicians or unlike
other people, they know what their kids able to handle.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
And that's where.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
The trainer has a solid voice and making sure that
they protect the kid and make sure. You know, my
favorite saying, and I've probably used it to you, I
don't know how many times. My job is to be
the VR, the voice of reason, you know, what what
can we accomplish and what should we avoid and not
let anybody put themselves into a situation where it's you know,
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do no harm. I don't want to make you worse.
And so has that happened, Sure, it happens, you know.
I mean, athletics is an uncontrolled environment, and there's kids
we think that are ready to go, and they think
they're ready to go and then the next thing, you know,
they get another injury. So if we were in a
controlled situation, then that would be eating But Unfortunately, athletics
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and playing games and even practice is not a controlled situation.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Best it is Bob man Jean from the University of
Cincinnati and Novacare Bob, enjoy the shootout. Best of luck
and uh, you know, good luck to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You and Austin come over to shoot out tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Bob, I don't. I told myself two years ago, I'm
not going back to the Centas for the shootout just
because mentally, you want to talk about mental health. It's
not a good place for my mental health. But as
we get closer, what.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Do you my mental health?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's more and more about you.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
We haven't won there for like quite a while.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, it was it. You were like twenty five, weren't you.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Oh my gosh, Bob, I'll come if you can get
me a seat at the end of the bench right
there next to you.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Austin's got some things he wants to talk about time.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
You're more than welcome to come over and sit with us.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I love it, Bob, You're the best man. Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Okay, guys, have a good weekend and I'll see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That is Bob man Jean, the University of Cincinnati and
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(29:18):
along next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Station, you've got to be.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Welcome back. Since E three sixty Mowagger joins us in
just a few moments. Quick hits coming up thanks to
Penn station here and hour number three. Is it cold
out Austin?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
What's the temperature right now?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
This is it as cold as people are are saying.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
I know it feels I got thirty two degrees on
my phone, but I know not.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I feel like people are reacting more and more to
cold than in years past.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
People are soft.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's just a soft name.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
This is the.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Thing, man, Like, we live in this city and in
this part of the country. It happens, and we have
been through this. It's gonna be cold every single year.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
The feels like temperature according to our friend Jennifer Catchmark,
twenty six degrees. That's chili. That's not cold, correct, cold
is I think twenty and below. I just wanted to
get that out there. A lot of people talking about cold.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Thirty two degrees and partly sunny.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, enjoy a day like this today, Lee, Enjoy celebrate it.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
Yeah, you can celebrate now. I will say it's supposed
to be a cold snap coming. It is, I heard
with the single digits.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well I was looking at that because tonight Austin the
Anderson Raptors. It's right, they try to avenge last year's
loss by winning. That's a seven o'clock kickoff tonight, low
of fifteen up in Canton, up in Canton, Ohio. That's
not that bad.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Last year was pretty well, it was pretty rough for
those guys last year.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, it was brutal. Yeah, but good luck to Anderson tonight,
good luck to Saint X tomorrow. It is not cold outside.
It ain't cold outside. Also, it is championship weekend in
college football. Tomorrow night's Sunbelt Championship Troy against James Madison
Conference USA title is on the line. American Championship is
on the line along with the Mountain West, and then
(31:26):
on Saturday you get the Big Twelve, you get the MAC,
the SEC, the Big Ten, and the ACC Championship. It
is a fantastic sports weekend with the Shootout college Football Friday,
an awesome slate on Saturday, and Bengals Bills Sunday.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Can I give you a couple of Nuggets Tonight's Thursday
night football matchup? Yes, the Lions have not lost back
to back games since twenty twenty two. They're fourteen to
oh after a lost since twenty twenty two, and tonight
it's a wide out in Detroit, Oh. So do without
what you have to correct, do without what you have
to That's right. Mulager joins us Now is next for
(32:06):
kids thanks to Penn Station since e three sixty, ESPN
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Speaker 8 (32:23):
From the Stacey Heating Temp Star Weather Center. Here's your forecast.
This report is Sponsoredvice super Sure for Leads.
Speaker 11 (32:30):
Mostly cloudy skyes this afternoon and very cold highs around thirty.
Temperatures would drop into the twenties around dinner time, then
a deep freeze overnight near fifteen. By Friday morning, we'll
rebound into the mid thirties Friday afternoon and just as
cold Saturday with highs in the upper thirties.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's the forecast.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
I'm nine first one of meteorologist kJ Jacobs for since.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
The three sixty quickits on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Fifteen thirty was looking for mo It was in the
building Thursday afternoon. Hey, getting ready for the mow Eggers Show.
A little quieter here today. It is a little quieter
for your show. It is a little quieter. Have you
been to the conference room where all the leftovers are?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I have.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's a good place to be. They want to stop by.
It's a good spot to be. The Thursday edition of
The Mulagger Show in just a few minutes. What do
you got coming up today?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know?
Speaker 12 (33:17):
It has been said that Cincinnati's Crosstown Shoe At is
one of the most intense basketball rivalries in the country,
and because of that, it is had its share of
unglamorous moments. But beneath the drama, there have always been
glimpses of something rare mutual aspect, yeah, human depth, and
a rivalry that, at its best brought out the best
in those involved. As Bob Hugginson's Kip Prosser one showed
(33:38):
Huggins the grizzled general with a glare sharp enough to
ben referees, could intimidate opposing coaches like they were grand
assistants in over their heels. Yet with Prosser, something different happened.
Prosser saw in Huggins what Huggins players always saw, a
coach who cared deeply about the person behind the stats.
Because Prosser recognized that the real Huggins emerged warmth and
dignity reserve for those rare rivals who truly understood him.
(34:02):
I am reading the first two paragraphs from something that
I have tried to read about ten times since last night.
There is a piece on Cincinnati dot Com from opinion
contributor Dennis Doyle. Dennis, I don't know who Dennis is. Yeah,
I'm sure Dennis is a very nice man. I could
keep going, and maybe if I do, you guys could
(34:23):
tell me what point this man was trying to make.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I've read it twice. Yeah, I still don't understand it.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
I read this last night. It was late, and I'm just.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So you think, like last night, maybe my brain's just
not functioning.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Yes, I'm tired. I'll wake up in the morning. I'll
read it again and I'm like my man, Dennis, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't It's the fierce nature, but also the respect
that makes this rivalry great.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
The intimidating Huggins found his foil and a philosopher coach
who disarmed him. In Prosser's presence, the curmudgeon revealed a
best self some doubted existed, and Prosser, in turn, seems
sharper and steadier when sparring with the pair of king. Together,
they transformed a blood feud into a strange fellowship, proving
(35:05):
that even in Cincinnati, a basketball rivalry could be both
fierce and redemptive.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Prosser would walk into the press room and leave everyone
smiling even after a loss. He quoted Yates, cracked jokes,
and treated the game as both competition and community. Against Huggins,
has warmth sharpened, not soften the rivalry. Prosser's teams played
with discipline and joy, forcing Huggins to respect not just
the scoreboard, but the spirit behind it. In a rivalry
(35:31):
often defined by taunts and elbows, Prosser reminded Cincinnati that
basketball could be ferocious yet Ennobling.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'll tell you what. Here's what's happening, Ennobling what the
world saws.
Speaker 12 (35:45):
Curmudgeon was in truth from a man of depth and soul,
something Prosper and Huggins players recognized long before.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
The rest of us.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Can I finish? I keep God, I've read this much. Please.
Speaker 12 (35:56):
Their shared legacy is the paradox of Cincinnati basketball, firing
grace Huggins and body toughness Prosser wit and the rivalry
mirrored the city gritty at generous, combative, yet communal. When
Prosser passed in two thousand and seven, Huggins tributes revealed
the hidden truth beneath the scow as a coach who
valued dignity as much as victory. As the rivalry moves
(36:16):
into the present, this year's Crosstown shootout carries all the
fire fans expect. Does it also carries a subtler hope.
The lessons of Huggins and Prosser indure competition need not
to RaSE character. Toughness can coexist with care in every
past defensive stand and moment of hustle. The truest victory
is caring forward the dignity and respect they showed each other.
(36:39):
Here's hoping Xavier as Richard Patino and Cincinnati's West Miller
not only play to win, but also play with that
same integrity. So the Crosstown shootout remains a rivalry worth
respecting and above all, a rivalry that is fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
If that doesn't get us our recognition we deserve from
the Inquirer, I don't know what will.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Meanwhile, Richard Patino said this week, my guys literally do
not care about the history of the rivalry.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, just another week, so just a game I want
to have. Dennis Doyle, I'm gonna tell you what I'm
gonna do. Austin cut that from me and said it
to me, we're not reading the night before Christmas this year?
Where were we reading that? At the Pie Household.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
That's the first time, like I had started reading it
and I got distracted.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
This is the first time I heard the like the
full thing.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, And at first I thought I knew where he
was going, But you're right, at some point, I'm like,
what is he trying to say, I don't.
Speaker 12 (37:27):
Know Dennis Doyle personally. I've never heard of him. I
don't know who he is. I don't know if he's
a professional writer. But like, whenever I read something, I'm like,
I try to imagine what was he thinking when he
came up with the idea. What was Dennis doing when
he's like, you know what I'm gonna do? Ye right
about this year shootout? This is by putting together about
eight hundred words of word salad about Bob Huggins and
Skip Prosser.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Here we are. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 12 (37:50):
Brian Anderson is calling this year Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout.
He'll join us at five oh five FORDNTBA. Okay, who's
really good at what he does, so we're looking forward
to that. Also, we have on the show today Lee Sterling,
Chad Brendle on the Bearcats will join us. Robert wintrub
Cincinnati Magazine as well. At four to twenty. We also
(38:11):
have on our show from the National Football League, And
I know you're really excited about this from the NFL,
Hans Schroeder.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yes, he is the.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Executive vice president of Media Distribution.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (38:22):
Basically he's going to come on the show to take
a victory lap because of how many viewers the Ravens
Bengals game had, Dan Klaskins will be on with this.
Hans is also like he works on the schedule, So
I'm gonna ask him, like, hey, next year, what Thursday,
the Bengal's going to play the Ravens in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
The Dolphins game comes, They're going to be flexed out?
Is that gonna be flexed down? Are they going to
keep that bat?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Hans is from Cincinnati.
Speaker 12 (38:43):
I might ask him if he read Cincinnati dot Com
Dennis Doyle's.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Thought provoking piece. I'm sorry, I can't think of any Sorry,
i can't think of it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
The scene from Billy Madison where I listened to that
and yet I feel any smarter than what I was
going in.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I tweeted it.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
Yeah, a lot of people like didn't click on the thing,
And so what I was asking was, can somebody explain
what this man is trying to.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Because I'm have you gotten an answer yet?
Speaker 6 (39:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (39:13):
And look, it may be me because I'm dumb. I look,
I get it, dumb communications major.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Like I'm not.
Speaker 12 (39:21):
When we were in those like college classes where we
read like high end literature over my head. I have
covered my guy Dennis Doyle perhaps could be making a
point that is just for a simpleton like me to grasp.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, I wonder if anyone out there can maybe clear
it up. I don't know, and if so, take a call.
So I read this. Now there's something else that happened.
I got to talk about what happened.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
Went to the NKU game, nor Up Norse Up being
Cleveland State nice six straight wins when the Horizon League opener.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
Playing very well.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Darren Horn's got him going.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
Darren Horn has a really nice, fun to watch team.
They play up and down good offensively. And uh, you know,
I stuck around after the game. Uh, my friend Shandon
minor Son plays on yours and Mitchell since he was
a little kid, so I wanted to say hi to him.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
And as as it was.
Speaker 12 (40:13):
Doing so, Darren Horn was conducting his postgame interview with
Rick Boring and Jim Kelch and when he wrapped up
his responsibilities, he saw me and he comes over and says, hey, Mo,
hope you had fun at the game, And I said yes,
and then he shook my hand and then he kind.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Of pulled me in a little closer. Oh, and I'm like,
where's this going, Darren Horn.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
Darren's been on our show, The Good Guys, on our
March Madness show before it pulls me in and he
doesn't like get that close. But he looks at me
and I could tell like he had something on his mind,
this pained expression on his face.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
I thought, like, have I said something about MKAU?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And I said you think immediately?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Yeah, like what did I do?
Speaker 12 (40:49):
And he looks at me and he's like, mo, can
I ask you a question? And that's never good? And
he looks at me and there's a slide pause and
he says, why does Austin Ellmore hate me?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (41:03):
And I said, coach doesn't hate you.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
He's like, well, he loves his alma mater, sure loves
beating the chest of a proud n k U alum,
but he doesn't come watch my team play.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's a good point.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
I think it's a reflection of me. And I said,
Coach Austin raising a familyamb He's got a lot going
on it. So I just.
Speaker 12 (41:31):
Astin, if you have to smooth things over with Coach
Horn because he thinks you hate them.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Yeah, I'll have to. I have to work on that.
I'll have to reach out to Darren. Yeah, yeah, maybe
get to a game. Was that was the the fan?
But was it a good atmosphere? Do you see Oakland's
coach come out and call out the students?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
Actually can't I when when n K you beat you
C and Northern.
Speaker 12 (41:55):
Kentucky University fans and alums got mad at me for
saying this. My takeaway was that was an awesome atmosphere.
I hated that U SEE lost, but I said, I
hope a lot of people went to that game and said,
you know what, I'm gonna come back. Yes, every time
I have gone to an NKU game since, I wonder
how many of those people took me up on it,
including that program. I do not I don't tell people
(42:19):
what to do with their free time and money, but
I do think that it's It's puzzling to me that
there were like six students in the student.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Section last night.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
They were given away a fifty five inch television Wow,
and still couldn't get more than Literally like six kids
had a one and six chance winning the damn TV.
I don't understand good school, good alumni base love basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Nobody goes good.
Speaker 12 (42:42):
Pros I don't. And again this isn't blaming anybody. I
go to those games and I don't go to a
ton I admit that. But when I go, it's like
more people should be here, more people should be here.
And uh, I thought that's what Darren was gonna ask
me about. And no, no, no, he went to know about Austin.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Ye, so that's fair.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
I don't know if there's beef.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I haven't forethought Austin. I hope you take that to
heart and think about that in the next few hours.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Maybe that's why Darren didn't come on the show earlier
this year.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
That could be since you hate him, we're done. You
come to my game, I'll come on your show.
Speaker 12 (43:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station rolls on with The
Mowlegger Show next. Rest of your Thursday.
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