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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You know, there's not a lot of running at the
border anymore, not a lot of people showing up at
the border, and the ones that are showing up at
the border are being apprehended. They're not We're not seeing
the getaways like we used to have. And that's that's
all a good thing. But the only problem is, of course,
you know, what kind of progress are we making on
the you know, ten fifteen twenty, however many million of
(00:22):
people that were got aways during the Biden administration. Mark
Koran joins US executive director at the Center for Immigration Studies.
Have we ever determined, by the way mark a very
accurate figure on how many people we really think got
away into the US interior at the border during the
bid administration.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I mean we have. It's all guest of its obviously.
But the real problem the number that we think got away,
in other words, that the border patrol knows they crossed
because the cameras and other things, but that they didn't
take into custody because they were so busy being Walmart
greeterers for people turning themselves in was probably only about
(01:02):
two million. Only, I say, the real problem is the
maybe seven eight million that they let in on purpose,
that people who just walked over turned themselves in and
were you know, they filled out some paperwork and they
dropped them off at the bus station. So I mean,
we're talking nine or ten million people came in under
(01:25):
Biden illegally, and the majority of them were not sneaking across,
they crossed illegally, and then we're just let go on purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Right, And we've been very busy obviously apprehending gang members
and criminals and really haven't gotten into much of anything
else so far. I guess you know, they have apprehended people,
for example, who have already been adjudicated in court in
order deported, and when they find them, they deport them.
(01:57):
But of those nine or ten million, whatever that number is,
the vast majority of them are still here. Do you
expect the vast majority of them will still be here
four years from now?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I don't know, it depends what you mean by
vast majority, but they're going to be able to reduce
that number. I don't think they're going to be able
to get rid of all of them as much as
they should, because the Biden administration really did create permanent
damage as a result of its immigration system and the
Trump people are going to be able to undo some
(02:28):
of it, but they're not going to be able to
undo all of it, because just reality is what it is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah. The only thing we can help to do,
I think at this point is more about what's happened
in the past, but what happens going forward, which of
course creates the other problem here, which is the problem
we've been arguing about since the Reggae administration, which is
what do you do with those people that are here,
aren't going anywhere, aren't likely to be going anywhere in
our living in the shadows. Do you come up with
(02:57):
some sort of an amnesty program? Do you allow the
things to continue the way they are? Ultimately, Mark mcgoran,
what do we do?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The first thing you have to do, as you suggested,
is prevent more illegal immigration. And this isn't just at
the border. We need to put in place the systems,
including things like Everify, which is an online system so
when you hire somebody, you can make sure that they're
actually telling you the truth about who they are and
(03:28):
they're the right to work. We have to have in
we literally have to have working a check in checkout
system for foreign visitors because starting in January, because of
Trump's border policies, new illegal aliens are mostly going to
be people who come in on visas, like as tourists
(03:49):
or students, and then never leave visa. Overstairs, we don't
have a good handle on that. You have to have
those systems in place working, you have to have sanctuary
cities tamed and so they're following the law. Then maybe
you can talk about what to do with the illegals
who are already here. But that's putting the cart before
(04:12):
the horse. You got to fix the problem for real first.
Only then do you have a discussion about what do
you do with the people who are still here?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Gotcha, thanks as always, sir, appreciated the executive director of
Center for Immigration Studies, Mark Coryan
You know, there's not a lot of running at the
border anymore, not a lot of people showing up at
the border, and the ones that are showing up at
the border are being apprehended. They're not We're not seeing
the getaways like we used to have. And that's that's
all a good thing. But the only problem is, of course,
you know, what kind of progress are we making on
the you know, ten fifteen twenty, however many million of
(00:22):
people that were got aways during the Biden administration. Mark
Koran joins US executive director at the Center for Immigration Studies.
Have we ever determined, by the way mark a very
accurate figure on how many people we really think got
away into the US interior at the border during the
bid administration.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I mean we have. It's all guest of its obviously.
But the real problem the number that we think got away,
in other words, that the border patrol knows they crossed
because the cameras and other things, but that they didn't
take into custody because they were so busy being Walmart
greeterers for people turning themselves in was probably only about
(01:02):
two million. Only, I say, the real problem is the
maybe seven eight million that they let in on purpose,
that people who just walked over turned themselves in and
were you know, they filled out some paperwork and they
dropped them off at the bus station. So I mean,
we're talking nine or ten million people came in under
(01:25):
Biden illegally, and the majority of them were not sneaking across,
they crossed illegally, and then we're just let go on purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Right, And we've been very busy obviously apprehending gang members
and criminals and really haven't gotten into much of anything
else so far. I guess you know, they have apprehended people,
for example, who have already been adjudicated in court in
order deported, and when they find them, they deport them.
(01:57):
But of those nine or ten million, whatever that number is,
the vast majority of them are still here. Do you
expect the vast majority of them will still be here
four years from now?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I don't know, it depends what you mean by
vast majority, but they're going to be able to reduce
that number. I don't think they're going to be able
to get rid of all of them as much as
they should, because the Biden administration really did create permanent
damage as a result of its immigration system and the
Trump people are going to be able to undo some
(02:28):
of it, but they're not going to be able to
undo all of it, because just reality is what it is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah. The only thing we can help to do,
I think at this point is more about what's happened
in the past, but what happens going forward, which of
course creates the other problem here, which is the problem
we've been arguing about since the Reggae administration, which is
what do you do with those people that are here,
aren't going anywhere, aren't likely to be going anywhere in
our living in the shadows. Do you come up with
(02:57):
some sort of an amnesty program? Do you allow the
things to continue the way they are? Ultimately, Mark mcgoran,
what do we do?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The first thing you have to do, as you suggested,
is prevent more illegal immigration. And this isn't just at
the border. We need to put in place the systems,
including things like Everify, which is an online system so
when you hire somebody, you can make sure that they're
actually telling you the truth about who they are and
(03:28):
they're the right to work. We have to have in
we literally have to have working a check in checkout
system for foreign visitors because starting in January, because of
Trump's border policies, new illegal aliens are mostly going to
be people who come in on visas, like as tourists
(03:49):
or students, and then never leave visa. Overstairs, we don't
have a good handle on that. You have to have
those systems in place working, you have to have sanctuary
cities tamed and so they're following the law. Then maybe
you can talk about what to do with the illegals
who are already here. But that's putting the cart before
(04:12):
the horse. You got to fix the problem for real first.
Only then do you have a discussion about what do
you do with the people who are still here?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Gotcha, thanks as always, sir, appreciated the executive director of
Center for Immigration Studies, Mark Coryan
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